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player in Tulsa called meeting to order welcome everybody. This is the community Affairs Committee for the Indianapolis City-County Council. We're going to start off by introducing ourselves. So start District. A bar district 20. Thank you. MADAM Chair Robert sister for thank you. MADAM CHAIRMAN, use in this game. Chair in district and the We managed care about those things I represent district hence the Lawrence concentrates on this way. He stuck in traffic speeding MAY have workable showing up for the same reason being not a

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virus that welcome. We you ever hear? For the very There's a lot of us on this person comes as the threequel. So we have to proposals today. We're going hear receiver presentation from. And so just so everyone audience does this different position? We don't have like the daily mice and all that kind of stuff. So if you do speak on something, we do ask you come up so that way, you make on on 16. So grateful for all of you all to be here. So we'll start off

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with the puzzle number 96 2026 points. Angela hops and the animal care services support. And who are here? Can you please step up? So Can you tell us a little bit about why you like to be on board the work So we're all and sure I have I want to be on this board because I support all the initiatives that that are currently doing that we featured do animals and people. In our city have supported the shelter in a variety of ways for the last 12 years with war. We've worked primarily with people

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who are crisis, who have We're on a foster care program for people are going into treatment, half of the nation where we primarily work community method and cannot some treatment programs. Court probation, parole to try to solve some of the human issues that have interconnectivity with people. We also support the shelter last year has been primarily cases. We also work with he owes on cases that have diversion. We provide

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access to vote in their care. People cannot afford it. And anything else that think are used to fill the gaps and tested it up to questions from Any questions? Council taking questions. Just thank you your Thank you. Good counsel say thank you. And will to serve and use it heart all says Weather action. There's as well. What if board member Chris Rose and say Chris over mayoral appointee to the board of in on the board of ics for about 3 or 4 years. And I know Angela, through her work at

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soar in support of the shelter and actually worked at her with the ordinance of the council past several years ago that ban the sale pets stores need to not post unfortunately overturned by the state legislature but Angelo's very instrumental in helping us craft and work with the community and council. So as a current board member fully support of her nomination was a part of your. Not a nation of rubble. Questions coming concerts. We have anyone in the audience like to speak on this one. Seen enough person with most it. It's terribly divisive. Upholding the 96. It

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was hot sun to the animal Control services or all counts Most probably moved and seconded. All those in favor signify by saying All those POWs in For most places we going on with past recommendations made you much committee meeting. So that's always nice. So as I proud of history, but trying to see I have I wasn't ever going change topics for hot Senate. Propose number 2, a 9.0 26 reappoint him Carol, to the public. Neighbors selection

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committee. Is year? Is not This is a reappointment counselors. So this is up to If we want to continue, you can see her information inside of the pack. It is just comments. Questions, concerns just so moving our next thing. discussion. It gets. I was They pass. Feel the same that works for everybody's so they get a motion to just move this to the next council. Thank you making us target. All those in favor giving props to and just not to the next month get a

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hold of All it okay. So we'll have 19 next month or 2 in on budget as presented. So we look at that and so now we're excited to get to you, The meat and potatoes. I guess have tonight. Do hear about the the update to be entering a people and believe will put in and her sidekick believe will be a I'm just very excited to be in a room full of diversity of the building,

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trying very hard not to. Right now. So they're going to their presentation after the presentation will open up for counselors to ask questions. And then we will have time comments people in attendance. If you would like to be one of those comments received not decided she got there. You don't have to relive their site and not just make sure you do. That's how call people up to minutes. Speaking engagement for that. So director and deputy director the floor is yours. And then committee. I want to is first

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of the dog Is word that for us. We still are lost address what happened and that included in that. Immediately following the incident. We contacted mayor's for Office Corporation, counsel of the city's human Resources Department local So 25 asked we closely with each one of offices throughout investigation into a tribute service, early review. All matters for people appropriately in accordance with city policy very, it. Investigation determined that music issue, specific instructions regarding

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building procedures during extreme heat. Those restrictions are intended to reduce time outside for to that heat. Limit, the number of animals outside Unfortunately, those directions were not related to responsible paying out those fees that day. As a result, part procedure wasn't followed station where was left outside not to suffer fatal Following the investigation to the supervisor is a little city of Indianapolis. Services. And the other employees were disciplined, has provided where there is there. But Well, no, actually going

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happen. We have taken immediate steps to reduce the likelihood a similar incident. Never future. Those actions have included developed implemented a extreme, be cleaning competing standard operating procedure that has made it mandatory. We are reach the 5 or higher or rules are in direct sunlight. Well, fired, have access water while they are section of rules. Limiting the number of vehicles that are outside or meantime requiring frequent to over checks. Will they are a sign? For teachers, a line of

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local ordinances regarding actually care of animals during shouldn't be. Addition operational changes, we have recognize the emotional impact means the time. Please. We work with the city's employee assistance program. In 2 weeks resources, available staff, many of whom were deeply affected are still be effective. I accept that accountability exists beyond individual action my responsibility to ensure our organization has their policies effective communication, proper training is this is a supporter, safe animal care. This opposite us to examine Ali, what occurred

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on JULY 1st, also going to strengthen our operations moving forward, understanding members of our community volunteers, rescue partners, U.S. Elected officials get continue to grieve the loss and we have questions or concerns Israelis are very valid under siege. Transparency and accountability are some public trust. And that's why we committed to reviewing incident. Early changes just simply moving on. Our commitment in this tragedy will continue to inform how we train supervise here thousands animals that enter our shelter seniors. Welcome questions.

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Any that we are able to answer says will be a pause. And the question is involving It's on possibly a two-part the one is is the was that communication and the breakdown and now policy was a result of this being the first time you super hot weather in the brand new facility Okay. So the interest because it is a The only the previous policies didn't apply. You guys saw kind of as

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it happened so based on that. It's hot right now. But is there equivalent for cold weather that would be developed before? I say says any other questions on And we can also return to this after patient think of something. And just shelter. Sansom. We went through into ground. Preparing exit from JANUARY front and then hearing from JANUARY. 25. For me adoptions have increased 14.2% from the first by so, you this happened

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6, Rescue transfers. We had increase of 3.1% turn to increase of 58.3% For me. The state decrease by 20% from 28 to 16 days to use our goal. Obviously vote set for ourselves. Field services is a really impressive. Want to be a full service able to do the average response time has been decreased from where the board senators that would prove today's 18 hours. And 21 minutes it is down to 18 hours and 58 minutes. So that's

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representing 71.4%, a permit. Live outcomes decrease by twenty-six 0.3% intake. The year that we've had a 23.3% increase. It is in summer tv and more animals from. Citizens that are coming to the not back work and take 3 now. Release rate has been making 91%? We'll say we will not use this language by standards here. 2 months away from me being considered to able something that's for me special. Just you ask. Those words if you want reopen with

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I just I have a question. So I know basically doubled our capacity, but just did great. So we really think that seems like it's because it's still the other side. So it's just a very amount was like 15 additional action spaces. It's not pretty medical isolation periods. Does seem like we have somebody. That's right. There's only animals that right now because post puppy kitten season kind of thing is because we're in a part of the city that people feel completely different animals because I do the far East Side always has a reputation for those dogs. I would assume that's being here getting more people the party side coming

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in tea and what you for this increase. Is just that there's always and right. We live in a city that is overpopulated with animals and there is always it always will until get this under. Just to have inquest counteracts. Thank I don't to push wanting to grab trees on this one average response time in hours, Israeli to our obviously are and will serve officers. Yes. So it's we usually massive draw. JULY with 25 and I'm not sure which exactly a prairie

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was first reporters was averaging. Just listen that hours are 8 hours 20 hours for some of these drops extremely NOVEMBER. 25 don't like 16 or 7 hours what caused that was going back up again was the Stephen a spike in the beginning see there normal for so many rounds there. Just that from behind we asked office down. Is this it summer. People are outside woods. Heat. People visit just reasons like more frequently.

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And which is spring, one of workers credit for Well, it's good to like the numbers for are down from last year. That's mostly down for a lot different measures like That's encouraging. And hopefully JULY's I asked JULY was what they got really out of control. There's clo. But they did issue a and it seems like most members across all these different charges are proved last JUNE, good put or shut these numbers. It's fascinating see this actually

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over. Thank you. MADAM Chair, do you have update on altar Animal registry program. How is how is that working? What is compliance. Look just right 100 people that have signed up for the registry with the registry of the initial push was to educate people on the registry. Just try to get people in compliance as far as citing people right now that I don't do this happened just yet. However, we're still working. Fire resources to get things because it is an

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expensive in that. Is there. I guess is are vision. In the beginning. What was communicated us you knew. The problems that we're creating. Creating problems. They were going to target, obviously with education. I can appreciate that. But have mostly come into compliance now work game with the reading it is this if they they have to register, they have to certain criteria that community and I still have litters, right? We are using it as a However, we are way behind 8 ball when it comes to

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there Indianapolis, Indiana as And it's a place it looks like during your tenure make progress on the staff vacancies size it was for you guys. But it still seems high. What attribute that was solve that? All for you position. Cannot a shock speak. So they have to be kept, But if we right a little we're over budget. So we are. Holding off on hiring certain positions to make up for that. Wouldn't

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time? Think are so in years past, I think one of their top picks that I remember hearing weather is a city here has to what qualifications, of are very talented, but here side of things. And look at report. Hours. That's anything but curious how real is just going house the operational process working things changing, know that there's been it isn't time since you've been in office set pace a standard your way. Your partner, Lucian, he's put out on you. But these redoing her house read on the Kelly, who is over the volunteer program, which

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enables little bit more to that. She my if you'd like to speak a little bit more to that I feel like Lucia good relationship with the majority of the volunteers that I'm aware of. Come in do a fantastic job. We appreciate everything they do. They really rely on them for helping us the animals. A lot of times. They come and help us the events you so much around shelter. Very Christian. Is always looking to right from last year's 270 volunteer activo tears JUNE. Now to those 227 and the hours

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volunteer. Very 1200 and both those sections. It seems that more work thank volunteers we've got let's all just doing that are the room because, yeah, this is a clear that your but the hours it is we are appreciated. Aside, especially knowing you're staffing. So, whatever we got to do to keep foot on the gas pedal make sure that our enjoying time here for volunteers are happy and animals. But just being down. Close to 50 ish, you know, we've got it prove what we've lost. People looks like is up, but it's down this time last

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year. A reference say that you real quick to just to kind dollars aid point. I do notice and the to charts and graphs. It is noticeable. How much MARCH of 2026? Only the numbers increase between full tears but also in takes look at. Obviously stuff that's one of And there was that drop-off last share change that over the last 4 months has pretty considerably, which credit for. Hopefully, as you know, more feel like it's a great place volunteer to watch me,

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right? You know, nice place to So it is encouraging see the numbers specialist for basically errs on recruiting. So want to mention that because I know the stage published social or our council of that or anything. But this is the encouraging that compare last year. There's have smart, especially every number has on the right direction. That's for several months that she was here. It's really just about rebuilding program behind the scenes. Unfortunately. Yeah, this is

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place has never seen specially media building and literally everything about process has changed. So he spent almost fully working on that in a was moving into the new shelter. Actually have a slight pause. So really, she first month that we've actually been able to actively recruit volunteers into the building all this month. We have been cranking out new volunteer orientations. One just a couple of minutes. And so I want to say over the next couple months is really going to start seeing those volunteer increase because we're actually people. And now

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really the only hang out that we have is getting trained on because we do existing on tears to help us with the burden training end of it. The time takes to training officers. Let's go. You mentioned that. Well written. And here is what the polls and is your plan protest? A lot overtime in mind. Is that on services for the animals? It costs currently about 35,000 to 40,000 a month just for Spay neuter services. That's

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including our that coming in things that we needed for the of things that in trading they new shelter. There are a lot can 2 mile. Things are going to need build a shelter. So a lot staffing. In the Florida Lee and Medical Services. With even here James, the cfo and kind of for the plan. We Smith for next year's budget which probably be seeing. You've got seen in the future. Some pretty decent size increases

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and those categories we mentioned additionally, we've. Had some very good luck in the last couple months partnered with along Co and they signed us up for their shelter. Discount program where we kind of are getting additional discounts to our distributors for anywhere from 10% up to 50 or 70% for items kind aggressive on shopping around items as well as really hunting for more contract that's full-time. That, of course, to kind of. Ease the pain from pretty high stay

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clinic bills. So we're looking for additional contract that's getting them in getting additional hours because every hour they're hearing pretty pricey. Us still west expensive than most stage or clinics. We did find a full time 1000 a year. Questioned a vote that. Yes, yes, means. I so through just for a moment tonight. Cancers, this is the big thing I'm advocating for for the budget this year is to make sure that they have the staff to be operate. This killing. And we have to figure out how to get to the veterinarian, their salary cap rules that we have to deal

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with city and for somebody gone through medical school, the salary offer them is frankly insult. So we're spending what would amount to 2 to 3 times their salary purchasing outside services because cannot offer the actual salary I need to. We need figure out how to do that inside of her salary cap rules. But its really are rules that are hindering them from being able to do what they need to do. And if they were able to bring a full time that a new spay and neuter themselves and even if they

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had higher outside assistance in mount might even say would help cover the staff that they need to run daily operations and staff staff, all that kind stuff. Thank you. MADAM They stationed he was a for someone So does the city would someone straight out college? That's a degree they be able to maybe the requirements for this decision. The only problem is they usually have idling say years. It's really over. The

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need was someone comes here high years services for It's not about story we brought and have full-time on staff that we will be able in transfer bringing more veterinarians more work. But without full-time doctor on staff, we can't do internships and we've got the best veterinary schools country all over the place. Accounts grace. Thanks side. First James. You guys have revenue generating services that to stronger closer. Look at that. And you

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know, Wants to move back shelter. Biggest source of revenue for us in general is our adoptions and start collecting those again. Once we moved into building. So we are collecting. Prof. I think my estimate was about $250,000 and adoption fees for next year. But should help cover some of that. And then we also have. Carol and surrender fees and just general enforcement fees and citations that the animal control enforcement side of things collect, which is significantly smaller. But

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one 5 say so I don't care control officer outside things that your staff, the fees that are paid on those do not come back to have any like becomes a truck or case. Kind of. It is kind of removed from us like it isn't true crumble. A court case. I was recently speaking earlier this week with a about looking at that because it looked in the past that those always been being properly covid to us. So it's something I actively looking into this. It's weak and

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making sure that even are quick. Side enforcement citations art properly coming back to us. So that something will absolutely you're getting the money that your staff is out there doing the work you. So let's let's figure out how we do that. Share 1, one more comment along to build on we've had this session of fees were being way for quite a while now. We are in here. I'm glad to hear that stop believing because it material to your operation. But those fees, my recollection is the

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fees are set by ordinance, but because they had been waiting since Pre-covid times. I don't think that they have been updated we talk about But just the council has not great job keeping up there. So many fees things that haven't been updated for so long. And just my research has indicated that our fees are very competitive in a way I don't know that they I think we shouldn't charge against some of the donut counties, things like that because my recollection

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is that the if we get if we would charge they want him to. The county is charging we could generate another $100,000 into ics through those adoption fees. So without charge him with. County's Alive. The people that people are adopting struggle sometimes what the options we have be raising them to my agency to find a reason. A son too high. We it. Obviously was not sympathetic thought through this several

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to that. But I will say that times my. My thought is that the fees? That we're talking about charging if someone is struggling to afford $150 or something, I think that. Frankly, somebody should save up for a couple more weeks because if you're talking about adopting a pet they did this is you know what I'm talking about taking some of these pet. They have way we're talking about getting a new pet and if $150 as an example is a burden to that person, I really struggle with their

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ability to provide the ongoing care to feed them it got vetting. Spence would come right after, you know, but I mean, $150 is I'm sympathetic to it that I mindful I think it's not inappropriate filter at the same time. Somebody that there is a financial. Filter can you really afford spend? Because otherwise there's a real risk its return simply because the first for us grow. So I'm sympathetic to, but I but life family are saying, however, keeping in mind that we stay past city

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and limiting and I understand limiting everyone to $100 they can afford it. You're talking about Matt, your comment, you that? I think a lot more than what we do now. And again, I'm not sure if that's what community wants or not, but that is something that we have to keep in mind as well because again, last week we had $270 in this building. We're able to house to 60. So keeping that in mind as well I for sure, it's a balancing just like I said, I think that I do think If we and we unfortunately have that logic to a lot of Even outside ICs where for various reasons the

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city has said, I don't we have a touch these things. We have for years and years and years and then challenge what hear on the flip side is that we have, but over because have over time because we have to outsource the medical staff and doing spay and neuter and all those things that's I mean, some point, I think there has to be, you know, if our goal is to not subsidize, right, because we were waiting for Something 0 is a is a

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number. But if you worked into the world we're going charge a reasonable fee. But I just think we evaluate. We should benchmarks a reasonable fee against others. And keeping in mind because we hear year after year costs go up. You know, these are medical things. They they go up every year. And we heard that last year during the budget that very similar thing. These numbers, they are counting. Supplies you buy. So that's that's just mind. In MAY. I didn't ask for a question. And then any other PRESIDENT You have that we can open it up to

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people questions or comments to I've got a couple e-mails lately about the dog park. Can And I understand there's there's so little bit of change. Can you explain that us? So? The building was being built this room being made, I don't know how it about from this for myself and for first time there was agreement part. She kept parks because apart from parks, I have with 2 parks previously asked if we can Shape Co shares Sharon space. What happened? Were how we make this work because our

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animals here 100 on, they the concrete sorry in a very small little. Option mean green areas that we use it for. The was concluded they could not share There was a requirement that all parts had to be 4 acres and had to have a separate section for smaller animals. There. Will be here between We could use a potentially afternoon, but that is a liability and public animals in Rachel Graham was our dog in Scott City or already and they're going they got celebrate with place after

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hours so it was still for a little bit. I have reached back out to Brady like revisit this. You know, I can't find where requirement is for for your dog park on the company's on documents. This agreement was made to make public exclusive part. She open to can say so. I'm hopeful I'm moving in the right direction we will at least maintain a portion of cannot promise that this time. Right now it is still ours to use fully visit has not been handed over, but

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we are in first that person party, too. What we can do. Point for the part shocking getting to from 1, right do you have equipment to do the yard that like to maintain the grass and all that stuff? And scientists so just doing today to put aside, closes us hears actually mean, it's prove as long to maintaining and they would continue that grounds for it would mean sir. Any

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other questions? During U.S. For your presentation? Sweet. And that cause you to commenters. Time pushing pace slow. So we would like to remind community and the public that unaware chance to speak in. Important that first second Public recently relate to the engine that under consideration. There a speaker from the item under consideration made we asked want to next their comments

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finally continues to cause disruptions. That prevent Council from today in the should be Please remember that some types incitement to violence protected the PRESIDENT. Do those issues as they come up do Now? I'm is com. It is. If committee members asked consent to adopt you can receive to public comment. Thank you. Committee will go on to public comment. Just everybody is Randall weird space. If you to kind of come up and either stand on either side of the table. But

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you are correct your comments us. And then I know it's it's weird, but we're so glad to be here excited to get to or afterwards. So I'm clear speaker, please, okay. I'm Monica Volunteers years. I think 2017 we I have one brief comment and then I was that my time talking how relate to. as being more proactive than Topic is I would like to see reactive. Especially regard things like the stage situation. We took tragedy I

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want to talk about staff. We We need desperately want. Here's what We need staff because keep up. All their to do. Most they don't get to interact much with the dogs. Adults are MS. Here over the weekend and it was it is terrible with the public coming in. Carroll's amassed. We have staff here but not near enough. Not near enough and volunteers. Good long-term volunteer. Love the animals

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are leaving. Because they think inhumane. And you can't you can't do that. You can't have that and be able to. Facility. I love are animals. I love it here. I am grateful not to have eyes for You know, I I love it and I think the staff are trying so hard so hard. But we are behind the 8 ball. We need volunteers. We need staff. And we help.

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I'm volunteer I think most my time doing dog walking and I agree with Monaco. We absolutely need more staff here. The building is massive. If you walk around, it takes twice long to do anything. And, you know, kind capacity is not increased that much. The kennels are double-sided say essentially have to clean 2 kennels for everyone. Last time we have this meeting, I spoke about my concerns about the planet. Dogs would not get walked every day by kennel staff and they would be relying on volunteers and extra time for kennel staff. That's still my concern now. A

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lot of dogs because staff are occupy to clean. A lot of dogs don't get out every day. Sometimes it's several days before they will be able to leave their house. So what I would like to see obviously is more staff, but also also just more coordination with the volunteers and the staff. So I know that some staff walking dogs after they do their cleaning duties. But when we come in, we don't know which stocks have been want. So we have certain assigned kennels. Some of those dogs might have already been locked. Some might not have. And we just don't I think better for

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nation would be helpful. That has to be done at the leadership level of those groups. I know sometimes Wednesday's you all all the dogs that we usually do. I got come in there's some candles. We now. We hours have gone up. But as far as like a trained dog walking staff, it's mostly the same crew. We had of the old shelter. So we all know each other pretty well. We all talk I think we're struggling just with dogs not getting out every day and everything taking longer. Know one ways get more dog walkers That's

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just hard. We have bottleneck because we don't have many people to do the training so another thing, this is like a well worn subject, but increasing hours again is a way to have more dogs want every day. It sounds like the problems that need to be solved any time soon. Yeah. I think it will it will be done anytime soon. I know that management to supervise the volunteers is limited. We brought this idea before a volunteer managers. We have volunteer dog workers who have been here more than 5 years, more than 10 years, very responsible. You know, they

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just put their heads down and work. They supervise volunteers before we could get them trained. The same time handling training as staff. They could supervise volunteers to stay longer. And if we extended hours as they were before the out, give us about 9 extra hours a week. If you multiply, just do the math of the volunteers. I mean, we get out hundreds more dogs a week and we are now and just seems like a better long-term solution. Asking for more money. Thank you. In and this This my charges. My challenge my committee and we have I was

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I was kind direct or you can just build a big, beautiful building. A big beautiful school mentor of teachers. And that's, you know, as city, we are responsible not only make sure that they have to believe that they got the staff. When say in building. That's something we're definitely. We have any Travel, basketball unlikely of this PRESIDENT As looks. 25, I just want to say quickly with tragedy that year. We record reached out to me. Represent the men and Sure what they We had a women working Excuse working. meeting here with all the personnel. Not one person that

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works here in the volunteers. First animals can't area and we're going It's personal. So when we had a tragedy here, so everybody's eyes in the same time, this is we have a job to do. Things had to be put place measures be taken care of because of collective bargaining agreement. We were able represent the union employees that were involved with the same time. I was go home. It's the same fears the same 2 years. The same emotions from what happened here. This bill is only been

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open since MAY. It's brand-new its big I don't it So I can't imagine what people their company or for the animals. We're going be great bill. Going to take time. We're going to work force staff in the proper pay for individual that we need for facility. To ensure that we don't have problems like we had before. And volunteers definitely are not being a word. We've got work with the council. You guys got work with each other so we can get the This get the politics out of it. Think about and think about the

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workers and get these individuals and the animal with they need. And asking you a new PRESIDENT. Please think about that. When you sit in your room you sit your office is the thing about people. Remember the individuals that actually it's always say. Do we have any more public comment? Last event? Okay. Counselors, do we have more comments get it? It is going I appreciate people give public Think about 2 things. One on the we're hurting side. What what recruiting strategy as a place where ball here it's When you're not freezing

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tired. Erin just hosting. We put it Facebook if it is and non-union positions are positions that are not finding. And is for. Approve on tears. They go tears talk to other people. Quite often. They get along fence of the day out talking to people about tears in will cause a really about pushing volunteer program, talking to people about signing up to be a volunteer. Community. That's where we're going. I think it was a farmer's markets always always talking about and the dog walk portion of it.

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Thought it at one time. Want And was all time as and the thing? 2 dogs on a leash year for the members of the talking and Now that come in their body pears, we will let them all together go outside because we know they've been together. But as far as having dogs that don't really have a number. I did in talking about being about mice that could bring out. That. Really kind those kind of an explanation of here versus Bill Lacy said,

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okay, yeah. And place they had candles that children's that the dogs to go in and I know how many did to I think there are now just 2 runs or you can think about to leave them. And so we do a rotation. So I would simply Haitians that take one out. Go grandmother take that. Gives us say you're kind handling 3 dogs. That one's not of the same And now we can just watch what time. So you can leave them unattended and going run around and get that exercise. I don't disagree with that.

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And you think it's nicer? It just it just kind work. A lot fewer docks one time. So I mean, I still want it now. It as many as think, you know, the time. From and Questions. Yes, please comment why that is way it is right So the players out and I he wants to on this for a kitchen. So we were moving in here. We were under the impression all of these springs she's Queen. We'll be able stop and her single cow being in the morning be done by a certain

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time. All of staff would be able to the arrest saying they able Richmond games out of the idea was. Every little of the iris of city of the year. That not been a great day. We found can't work it. Same time you have, you know, you're so can all the time which delays happen. Worked properly been here. Of hurdles and we're still trying so that is another reason push you step back to time. It's part being able to was he was saying if you shelter, you have place, you can take the dogs and

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haven't also for staff. They would. Teamed to one out rest were multiple do that they would clean volunteers we have places outside area. Your and several at a time here, candles put multiple dogs out the kennels couple. So we try it found not super secure surrounding modifications there many her summertime its purpose. Part of why me pretty like we do. Again for are we

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situation we were right. So including were leaving one role now are playing 2 roles, free trial that we're in. So that is the more Any other comments, questions or concerns. I appreciate being here. Thank you so much for opening your space to us. I know it's not normal to here. Thank you from from my deepest heart. From what I can do to extend city of Indianapolis from the council. Thank you so much for volunteering for those who work What you do. You are. We

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know you're underpaid and overworked. We know that we know for volunteers who are also under and we appreciate We appreciate caring about our animals. We appreciate hearing about what you're hearing that really building a stronger community. We get how I can tell that we are moving in the right direction. Doing better. And, you know, was because of you all but now the responsibility is on because we were not giving you the tools you can build. So we'll take this path. And I just

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want to thank you so much. So with a motion we can go and a b second. All those in favor. Any