The call this meeting Community Affairs Committee to order. We're going to start with introductions of those on the committee and those in attendance. I am Ali Brown counselor District 10. Councilor Renee Allen District. 15. The party set. Good evening as a good afternoon. Ron Gibson district 8. Thanks, MADAM Chair and good evening, everyone. Keep Graves District 9 on the Indian Embassy side. Thank you. MADAM Chair Post Sully District 12. Thank you. MADAM Chair. And boots, District 3 Washington Lawrence townships, thank you. Counselors, before we get started. So today we have a proposal that we'll talk about and then we're going to hear from animal care services. I want to remind those in the audience cause. I know many people have come in. If you are interested in speaking during the public
comment part, please fill it out. Now. So that way we are able to roll. We will do our rules before public comment when it comes to that time. But during that time, while the director and her staff representing the council is the only ones asking questions and talking and then we'll have public comment after that. So with proposal one 2026 to reappoint Daniel Hynes to the Animal Care Services Board. She has withdrawn her nomination. So she has withdrawn her desire to remain on the committee. So with consent of those in attendance would like to withdraw proposal. Number one consent. Thank you. That'll work first. Awesome. Okay. Director, you are welcome to go ahead and roll we get with questions
afterwards. From Good evening and thank you for giving us opportunity to update. Commissioner. You're close short. Good evening and thank you for giving us the opportunity to provide an update on Indianapolis. Am your services. The first page are looking at. There is just our department overview. The following metrics will compare a time period from JULY. First 2025 through MARCH. 15th, current 2026 and then also compare from JULY first 2024 through 3/15/2025. Just to give us kind of a side-by-side comparison. During this time we have expanded our capacity to serve the community increase, lifesaving placements and improve operational efficiency while managing a sustainability higher number of animals entering the system, our
intake, an outcome numbers we have had. And 28% increase in live animals coming in for in takes. Our live outcomes. Increased by 27%. Rescue transfers increased by over 46% are adoptions have increased by 17%. In our live released from rate has remained strong. 88 0.83% Just to go a little bit further into enforced, operations which if you follow along with the the graphs that are in there and the charts. They're kind of hard to read. If you're out in the audience, I apologize. They are small. Billy Scroll through those for you were go over enforcement animal care for swat team has also made significant progress response times. Our response time was 3 and a half days. It is now 10.5, 1 hours that on our part reflects a major
improvement in our ability to respond to calls, can provide service to residents more effectively. Our volunteer program growth. We had 18 volunteers and joined in FEBRUARY and we are currently training 19, vulgar. 39 volunteers. I apologize beyond just growing numbers. We've also created a comprehensive volunteer handbook. We have updated our volunteer liability waiver, revamped volunteer rules and training programs implemented a more structured on boarding process and revamped our community service process as well. As Lucia, volunteer coordinator finishes the behind the scenes administrative work like orientation, materials and training plans. We do plan to shift to a more focus toward recruitment and expanding volunteer opportunities. Our next meeting date will be
hopefully this month. And we hope to have that in the new shelter. So we're going kind of try to push that for late MAY to JUNE. Just a little shine a little bit on the team a little bit here on Saturday. We did a Saint Patrick's Day event, adoption event and we adopted out 99 animals. And one day. So we're very proud of that. That was our highest number. Sit in a single day since 2023. Animal care and enrichment. We want to recognize a few staff members said our Feline care coordinator in Jessica r Canine enrichment coordinator, their work on behavior evaluations, enrichment programming. Animal assessments has been instrumental and helping animals moving homes more quickly. Our kennel staff has been working extremely hard and deep cleaning and sanitation efforts, which
improves our environment for visitors and reduces the risk of disease and cross contamination among animals. And additionally, we have multiple veterinarians that are coming in assisting 3 to 4 days a week. Now we have partnered and contracted with inhumane. They sinned and veterinarians on Mondays and Fridays. And then we also have a contract that sharing that comes in typically Wednesdays and Thursdays sometimes just on Wednesdays. But we do have a that typically where between 3 to 4 days a week now. Still recruiting for a full-time. That though. Behavior and liability standards. We have also transition towards a continuous behavior observation practices which align with current recommendations from organizations such as is pca and Best Friends, Animal Society. Rather than relying
on an outdated single temperament test. It includes intake and handling assessment so soon as the animal comes in House acting on third-and take exams. We do dog to dog introductions, medical and behavior. History review. Previous owner reports Foster reports staff and volunteer behavioral observations by history reviews. This approach allows to kind of assess the league on liability standpoint for municipal shelters. I did put some I have case law, just a quote in Indiana. The case Brown versus Southside Animal Shelter in 2020 established shelters MAY face liability if they fail to properly investigate or disclose non-aggression history and adopters or too adopters. So
courts what they look for. Typically our kennel notes handling observations dog to dog interaction, notes and behavioral staff evaluations. Our move towards continuous documentation. Observation strengthens both the animal placement decisions and legal compliance operational change in revenue. We haven't some operational policies to port sustainability. We have brought back returned to owner fees that we're no longer being charged. I believe since covid. Those are those are reinstating. And so that just means of an owner has lost their pet. They come in to reclaim it. They are charged. Those those fees that are Internet says now and we are trying or hoping to bring back our adoption fees beginning in MAY when we hope to be in the new shelter. And then one thing I do want to update you
guys on. We did get osha complaint at the facility on MARCH. 12th. Osha complaint was in regards to the mouse infestation road and contamination of the building. We do know our facility and we are in presents significant challenges as everyone I'm sure is. Well aware. We were built on an and we were never, you know, a dump site. We were never meant to be a shelter running and operating at this capacity. So we did. But we are taking that concern very seriously. We are working with building authority in a rodent pest control company. They actually were in today and set 150 traps and we'll be back out weekly to set 150 traps to try to have try to mitigate that. While we are left in that building for about another 6 weeks. As part of that process, simply
temporarily restricted the use of peanut butter in certain enrichment activities to reduce food attractants. We understand that change can be frustrating for some and our volunteers and staff. However, it is important to know the peanut butter is not feeling Richmond tool available for the animals. They are still getting interaction with staff interaction with volunteers, nyla bones and toys and they are still getting and Richmond provided to them by Jess. And that policy will be re address. Once you're in the new shelter where we expect the rodent problem to be pretty much diminished. Hopefully. New shelter update. I do want to provide a new update on that. I was out last week. The building is pretty much, Don. They're actually installing dog kennels. Now looks fantastic. We're very excited to get everybody in there for tour. I start punch list Walkthroughs next week. There will be 3 of them because the building is so large. We have to do it and we
are in front from its cages will be delivered next week and will start installations. So we're looking very forward to that. We are still on track to be complete in in the building by MAY. So we're hoping the first week of MAY we will be in and functioning fully out of the new shelter. Excited. What's the? I do want to introduce Billy as our new deputy director. And then I have a vacancy report to go over with. We want to scroll to the vacancy report. So we now have one hire hired one deputy director. Our manager of operations. I'll just go through a mall since that's kind of hard to see. So that the crowd in here, too, deputy director is hired administrator. We had 2. We're down to one. It will be Kelly LaRoche since Billy has
transitioned into deputy director role chief financial officers feel manager of operations on that list shows that is vacant. It is filled now. Volunteer coordinator is film public information. Officers filled place. It manager one we have filled adoption team leads council adopts counselors. That whole group as all feel rescue coordinator, feline care coordinator, enrichment coordinator and foster coordinator, again filled 100%. They 100%. There. Indy cares coordinator. We are back to searching for. One are in cares. Cordinator is actually who took over our operations manager position. So that is one open position we have to in care specialists that is
filled. Enforcement manager. We have filled that with a person who used to work for Andy for quite long time. I think is Jason candidate. Don't know if anyone is aware of him. He was within animal services for quite a few years. Do you know exactly how many a 10 he was with us for 10 years left and I believe it was 18 and has now come back to serve as our enrichment or inforcement manager. Customer relations officer. We have one. We have all 3 inforcement supervisors have been filled. And we have 18 animal control. Officers were slaughtered for 23 and we have offers out to 4 of the 5 positions that are open. Kennel manager has also been filled. Kendall Schiff, we're we have 2 of them. They are still there. Kendall tax, we have 15. We have an offer out to one currently. We
should have 17 total medical manager, one medical ship leaving one veterinary assistant for and assistant to 4 and then one veterinarian that is still open. We are still recruiting for that. And we have, you know, it's very strong partnership with our union asked me cause some 25. We value that friendship and that partnership very much. They are here tonight to support as well. So we want to thank them. But if you have any questions, I'm open to any questions. So much director. I feel like I should give you all before I ask my questions, I should give you all update special because it's a bunch of volunteers here. I we adopted black Jack. If you need at the shelter back in the first week of NOVEMBER. And I just want, you know, 4 and a half months her house, he is 100%. A member of the family. My little boys, absolute favorite. So I want to thank you all for loving him while he was there because
he's live in real us now. But director, this is great. We have I have got to tour the facility. The new new space as we look to what you're going to need for that new space, I know we're going to have to expand staff, correct? Because it's a bigger facility. Bigger footprint. What is that going to look like going forward? We have some positions that are open. We're trying to get them filled. We know that going into that building. We have extra kennel space. It's the way it's broke down right now. We have 4 kennels. We will be moving into 10 couples that are double sided. So it it will feel like double the cleaning. So we're definitely going to need probably at least 4 to 5 additional kennel staff. And then we'll have to evaluate once were in the building different meaning additional staff outside of
that. Okay. Thank you so much for Before I call him the rest of my counselors, I just want remind anybody in the audience because people came in. If you're interested in speaking, please sign up on the form. That's at the podium. And after the council, just the questions, we will have public comment. So counselors, questions, comments, concerns. Council grapes. Thanks, MADAM Chair regarding the violation. Can you talk a little bit about if this is something that you've seen before you were that the team prior to your current. Have you seen that before you mentioned it was on a dump. Some want to know a little bit more about the ongoing efforts keep keep some of those rodents out of the facility. Yeah. It was not. I mean, there's there's been mice in the building from when I was there previously
2010 to 2016. I will say I have never seen it this bad. It is really bad. We have animals, feces, dog food treats things that spill left out. Unfortunately, don't know that there's a whole lot we can do in the building that we're in. But we're trying to do as much as we can. So feeding stations used to be in the hallway where things would get dropped, that get left. We're trying to mitigate that. We've started feeding in the rooms, cleaning up whatever you spill, whatever you mess up in the mornings, their deep cleaning the entire front of the kennels, which is the thing that we're not doing in the in the beginning. They're cleaning the tops of the kennels. There's things that we get put up there that had food on them that would get stuck to the kennel. So there we understand it's never going
to be perfect. Unfortunately, can't take dogs, you know, food away from the dog. So the food is going to be out. But we're just trying to limit ways that we're contributing to as much as possible. Thank you for your answer. Thank you for your presentation. Thank you. Council Gibson. Thank you, MADAM Chair and I thank you, director for a very extensive report. And most of all counts look like you're doing a good My question to you is. You often get a lot of inquiries and especially recently I hope you'll be able to kind address some of those. I hope you're been copied on some of the most received from some of the volunteers and others and just try to set the record straight. If you could do that briefly, what were the volunteers are that I've gotten some about peanut
butter, which I MAY. I think some of the question again, is about that guests put into to sleep. Lot questions about that about euthanasia rates. I mean, we're taking in more animals. Inevitably you're going to have to euthanize more animals. We also want to make sure we're putting out animals that are safe for the public. We're following a spca guidelines, best friend guidelines for dog dog interactions. I'm trying to get those animals and rescues trying to do what's best for the public and public safety and for staff to have to handle these animals as well. So there is there has been likely has been an increase in euthanasia, but our live release rate. He's not decreased. So we are still lifes, you know, saving lives and getting animals out of the building. Yeah. I feel confident that you and your
staff are doing thank you or you can try keep alive and adopted out there. Yeah, those are hard decisions we never want to have. It pretty hard decision for someone like it's tough to what you're doing shows. I believe that and support that. What about the volunteer hours? We made a compromise their their Monday through Friday Till 08:00pm on the weekends. It is still 07:00pm because we're there all day. It's a weekend, but the week nights they're there it's not 09:00pm, but it is later than 07:00pm when it was when I originally started. My final question, MADAM Chair to Director how do you feel about your role is the morale of your to your staff? I would say right now where Al is doing great. We're getting the right people in the right positions. Everyone's excited to move to the new shelter, the shelter in general we're
at now clear that when I first arrived you're always gonna have a disgruntled employee here and there. I think that's normal with any business. But I would say right now from what we can gauge morale has been improving quite a bit. And I think the union could also Baucus on that. If they yeah, most of our staff is well, good to staying courage in coming work. Thank you very much. Council boots. Thank you, MADAM Chair and thank you, director for the presentation. Just following up on on Gibson's comments, questions about the euthanasia rate. Yes. One area of concerns has been shared with me is the animal rescue and then return process. If a rescue does not work out and the dog is returned early animals returned. It's been indicated to me that that is
the week point in the chain where those dogs or animals are more likely to be. Euthanized and others. Just describe the process for me and particularly. Answer. The question, do the rescuer organizations if they bring a dog back and and do not know what to do with it. In your choices to possibly euthanize animal is that rescue get then notified that Bruno. My former dog's name, which I did get from the rescue if he has to be put down notified that agency Bruno they use brought in 2 days ago is likely to be put down in a day. Do you do that? And then just describe the general process, please da us can different. If a doctor takes an animal and brings that mag rescues, don't
typically bring animals back. Okay. So if one is adopted and it comes back, we would re-evaluate your depending on how severe or how severe what the reason was. It was in as a didn't because they kept trying to escape that animals. Probably gonna go back on our adoption floor and be adopted back out. If it is coming back in because it's attacking other animals. They worked with the trainers that we provided them and the trainers can't do anything with their the, you know, they've to said that the stock is not going to be safe around other animals and that animal will likely be euthanized. Good. And so describe who are exactly rescuers for those individuals or the organization. Usually and I mean, they're 501, c 3 organizations generally. I
don't think we use any rescues that are not 5, 1, c 3 organizations that don't, you know, function and organize their own rescue. Lot of them are Foster Bay. Some of them do have their own shelter setups. But a lot of them are foster based. Do they ever bring an animal back to you for any reason? Not that I can think of nothing since I've been there. We've not had any. I believe it's happened once got And just because the dog became too dangerous for the next year. Thank you very much. Thank you. MADAM Chair. Counselors, any other questions. So we're going to do public comment. And our clerk is going to read off rules and all that fun stuff. But I want to reiterate, this is a Marion County Indianapolis meeting that's for Marion County residents to redress their government with grievances. So you need to be
a Marion County resident to come up here and speak. We're going to go through this. Everyone will have 2 minutes. We have the buzzer and we'll go over those rules. But the goal is to make sure that we're hearing our constituents and our residents. So if when you come up, if you could give us your zip code because that helps us know if somebody is one of our constituents that we can get directly tn be able to help assist that way, especially if you've e-mailed us because we MAY not have gotten your address through the e-mail to know what district or white zip code So MADAM Clerk, if you could go ahead. Thank you, MADAM Chair. Before we open the Florida public comments, we would like to remind committee members and the public of a few ground rules so everyone can have a fair chance to speak and be heard. It is important that we each observed the following
rules first. Each speaker will be limited to 2 minutes. Second, any public comments must reasonably relate to the agenda item under consideration. 3rd Speaker says straight from the item under consideration or become unduly repetitious MAY be asked to move on to the next point or conclude their comments. Finally attendees who cause distractions that prevent the committee from proceeding through tonight's agenda in a reasonably effective manner will be remote. Please remember types of threatening speech or enticements of violence are not protected by the First Amendment at all. We will deal with those issues if they come up. But we knew that think they will. And now, MADAM Chair, if a committee member asked for consent to adopt these rules, we can proceed
with public comment. Thank you and aisles also undermined everybody in the crowd that you guys are talking to So feel free to talk to us stat talk directly animal care. If you have questions, ask us, we'll be the ones who would then return the question. So what could you go ahead and fire will read off the first person up and then the next person in line so that we are aware, ok? Thank you, MADAM Chair. There are 4 people that signed up. So I'm going to read all 4 in as they come. They could be able to line up. Angela Hopson. Lori Collins, Amy Gong and Miami Ruis. Thank you. Come on up. Like a parade it. Just start. Yes, please give us your name, your zip code. And name Angela Hops and Iran. The to zip code is currently 4, 6, 2, 2, 2, at
that site. We also operate 11,000 Square-foot building that serves the city Indianapolis hospitals housing programs and services and I c s is also one of our partners. We work with most facets of departments of ICs every single day. We talked to a ceo. We talked to people in rescue. We talk to people in medical and we also support rescues. An individual to the community would help to access to that care. I am impressed with what I see is progressing towards. I know that there is going to be a lot of emotion and I understand it both both valid and things that hurt, right? This is hard work. I trust the judgment that they're making with euthanasia as they're not easy. And we
have some of our community that they want to do the best for every animal. They can't. But I understand that we all want that. But they have to be able to be adoptable want to be put in that work. The shelter is not the place for those those types of rehab is too crowded. It's too crowded and it so I don't have any complaint on the direction that we're headed. If I do now, I feel like and directly talked to that property management person and get direct feedback. Does that make like to work with that? That being said, I do think the council should think about increasing the salary. If it's through. I don't know if it's true. The union or if it is something that's through the city for the rescue
coordinator, we have a good rescue coordinator that is moving positions because the salary doesn't mean the work. It moves the majority of the animals that are in need difficult animals, potentially dangerous animals, medical animals that are expensive into other agencies to help reduce the burden to the city of the shelter. So it is important perhaps that we consider. Doing that picks. Thank you, Angelique next. Please. Hi, my name is Lori Collins. I'm the director of which possibly rescue and we are 4, 6, 2, 2, 7, Every single day. My team and I work on the front lines of the city's animal welfare crisis. We see the dogs come out of our communities out of the shelter and out of situations where they have been fail long before they ever got to us. I want to start by saying this
because it matters. I do recognize that there has been improvements. We see dogs picked up off the streets more consistently when calls were made. And that matters. It's important. And I want to acknowledge that. But I do need to ask. Respectfully and honestly improvement to what it. What we see on the ground and what's presented in reports. They're not lining up. I can tell you that there's some things that are critical and that we review the process through a public records request. We now know the following. It takes 4 weeks for stray dog from the time it's requested to be picked up for weeks. Same for own dog. Guess what? In the city of Indianapolis after 14 days of somebody is helping a straight, they own that dogs. And then as the owner
surrender. On paper, this might sound like a lot of time that could help. It might sound like opportunity and it might sound like it presents its progress, but progress for who? Because in the community, we're still seeing dogs euthanize for space. We're seeing dogs euthanized after failing behavior evaluations while they're injured, scared or completely shut down. We still see rescues begging for fosters ready to step up, but not being looped in early enough to be actually intervene. What does this four-week hold for? The community look like if the outcome is still the same time alone is not the solution. Transparency without context is not the solution. Statistics without outcomes are not the solution. What matters is not how animal is in the building. What matters is whether that time is being used to actually save them. Are they getting true
decompression time? Are they receiving appropriate behavioral support? Are rescues being notified early enough to help or are we simply extending the timeline to inevitable outcomes? Because from where many of us are sitting? It feels like we're measuring time Thank you, Larry. Next speaker, please. Good evening. My name Amy Gone and the Marin County resident and volunteer ICs. So what I just comment on is what I understand to be a new policy going into the new shelter. I've heard about it in a while. So could have changed. But from what I understand, dogs will not get be guaranteed to get out of their kennels once a day like there. Now, currently they get out once a day for cleaning their move from their kennel. And if they get out twice a day, it's because of volunteers would get them out. And in the new shelter, they're going to have double-sided kennels. So instead of being removed, that just be put on the other side
and the kennel be claimed kennel staff from what I understand will not have responsibility to remove the dogs their kennels every day. That will be optional for them. After their wrist, their required duties are finished. There is a staff canine enrichment coordinator who gets dogs out. She's only one person. There are a lot of dogs and there's even more capacity in the new shelter. Volunteers can also get dogs out, but it's still results in just a fraction, especially with the numbers still down a lot. And the reduced volunteer hours. So my comment is about that. I have talked to people from a couple other shelters nearby. So Hamilton County munis, shelter, Cincinnati, they both have double-sided kennels and they still have staff get dogs out at least once a day. Time out of the kennel with people in per
stress and quality of life. I think the new shelter is going to be improvement up and a lot of ways. But in this way, I think we're going in the opposite direction. I hope that that will be reconsidered. Thank you, Amy. Our next speaker. Thank name is man Ruiz. My zip code is 4, 6, 2, 0, 8, I sit on the board of directors of which is House bill, rescue and I am the cost a quarter of that rescue as well. Wanted to look back at the Cole's stated last JULY for our director. One of them was transparent, internal and external communication as well as regular engagement with partners. I know we had the South side animal shelters case earlier calling for more
transparency but wanted to point out an example of a dog. His name is lucky who was up euthanasia deadline this past week. He was brought back after reportedly biting an attacking the doctor at hand and the owner request that he be euthanized because this stock apparently had tried to bite flight 15 times, 1, 5, and that was not disclosed. When I inquired about his record, actually, his records were copy and paste it into an email. I didn't have the full kind history where it actually said that he was approved for euthanasia. And then decision was rescinded upon because he was acting affectionate during intake. So can be left that out. And then the decision was revoked in the news. Still up for rescue placement until he was ultimately yesterday. So he was not placed in but he was not place because he could
have it. Really hurt. Somebody has messed up next. But I would try to poke holes in what the administration is saying. It has really probing questions about. What kind of information are we How valid is it? What we have proof of? What do we not have proof up? And I also urge you to ask about what the plan for moving animals from bold shelter to shelters. Not that think Yeah. Lets you in clarifying question. Just on lucky. Yeah. So lucky was brought to the shelter by an original owner. Yeah. And that owner said he's a bite or this is a problem I can put down. He somehow ended up up for adoption. He was available for rescue only rescue on. Okay. And rescue took one of us could take him okay. You know, I am just
trying to find. It's confusing yes or rescue organization taking and then adopt him out after they pass whatever medical or behavioral evaluations that there MAY be. I almost I did actually ask Florida pools so that we could behavior, least my son, because I not believe that he should replace She said no. Not easily. But okay. Thank you. Thank you for the clarification on that. Do we have any other comments from the public? Anyone else like to speak? Based on public comment? I have a couple questions for you directors. That's okay. I'm I'm so sorry come on I'll go pretty fast. I want to hear that buzzer from the Gong Vince Garden PRESIDENT Ask local 7.25 And we work hand in hand with the individuals with the director in the new deputy director as well as making sure that things are being followed by the contract making sure we have a safe place for the employees to work. Even all new in this role. I know sure the Steve Quick disposition
for a long time. I'm actually proud of the way that the process is moving forward with myself. A new administrative staff with a staff of up acs. Speaking on behalf of individuals, the work in the in the department over there. Everybody is a static about the new building. I've been here over 16 years. This is the first time since I've been employed with the city and APIs that I've been able to see 2 brand new buildings, one be in the solid waste and one going in animal control. So i want to take my head off to you guys with the county, you guys and girls with the council for approving the measures for us to be able to have those facilities for the individuals to work and and I think it will help in the long run with morale with a better treatment of animals with just. Making it a better place for everyone to come to work and be happy to be there. Really grateful for everyone
who has helped us in this process. I'm very proud of of experience working with animal control. And I hope we can just work out the kinks cause where yet you don't have kings and we do have bumps in the road would have the need for improvement. But you're going to have sunny days and you're going to have rainy days. But you can have a rainbow without the rain. So will work through these things. Will try to get to the other side. And I just want to thank everybody for giving a moment to speak. Thank you so much, Any other public comment? Director, I just I have couple follow-up questions. One is can you talk about the four-week hold and what the process is? If I find a dog running in Lawrence Wright, I know I have Lawrence
in look here control which also just pick some up and bring them to you guys. But so I catch catch a pup in my house. I can't really I've got 2 dogs, right? I don't know the vaccination status. What I do. How does that work? There is? I think right now our current whole time is 4 weeks. If you find in it, we are taking animals. If they're space allows us to. If people walk up to the back door. We are doing that again. They were not previously. We will ask people, are you able to hold the animal if they say yes, and they are willing to then that is what we asked them to do and we allow them to do that. We try to push that as much as possible just to manage intake because our manage our intake can go from. We have a great adoption event. We're at 85% and literally the next day after officers coming off the street, what they're bringing
in overnight, what people are walking up are already scheduled appointments for surrenders. We can be at 100 and to the next day 102%. It fluctuates so much through the week. If we do get space, there have been times. I think it was around in DECEMBER. We were calling people that had been scheduled out like, hey, we have space to want to bring in now. So it's just part of a managed intake program. And it depends if they say the animal is aggressive or they can absolutely keep it. We are bringing the animal one. And then my other question is and it was good guidance. I've got to tour shelter. Really excited. How are we transporting the animals? The office of the vehicles in the transport trucks that same thing. Cats. And yet farm animals because we have a
trailer. Okay? Have any farm animals at that time. You don't to ride a horse from the West. Use it. Okay. So it'll be a managed vehicles driven by staff. I would assume wasn't sure reasons. Yes, okay. Counselors, are there any other questions? Comments concerns? We have nothing to vote So without anything else, I'm going to go ahead and call the meeting to adjourned. Call, ask for a motion to adjourn. And I appreciate you being here. I appreciate all your volunteers for the amount you care like. I said, I get to benefit. His name is Reggie. Now. Any super cute. So thank you so much for Lebanon, blackjack and everybody else at the shelter. Thank you all. Have a great