Good evening. This is a meeting of the Metropolitan Economic Development Committee meeting. My name is Bob, mostly chairperson. I would like to ask my colleagues to please introduce themselves starting with Council heart. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Michael Paul Hart representing District 20. Thank you, MR. Chair Brian Mowery District. 25 thank you. MR. Chaired Jesse Brown District 13. Thank you. MISTER Chair Pre and Illini District 2. Thank you. MISTER Chair Nic Robertson short for. Good afternoon. MISTER Chair Ron Gibson District 8 evening CHAIRMAN Colleagues District 14. Thank you. MISTER Chair John Barth representing council district 7. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Christian Jones District 18, thank you. CHAIRMAN Councilor Jared Evans representing District 17. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Lee, why Robinson represent District one. Thank you, MR.
CHAIRMAN Maggie thank you all very much. We have 3 proposals evening. We're going to start with proposal number 95. Which approves a payment in lieu of tax. As provided in icu. 36 3 dash 2 dash 12. For Tw g 7 7 lp. When Affordable Housing Project being financed. In part with low income housing tax credits pursuant to section 42. The Internal Revenue Code of 1986. As amended known as 707, North Apartments consisting of 40 affordable housing units for low-income residents on the parcel. Located at 707, East, North Street Council district 13, who's who's become that? Good evening. MISTER Chair names, Morris and I'm here to speak on behalf of 707, north. Like to say good evening and thank you again for having me.
MISTER Chair and members of the committee again payments for second at Suriname. Our senior development director at ewg, working on our affordable and workforce housing team to bring more affordable housing throughout the state of Indiana. Those technical difficulties are all good. So as I mentioned, I am bringing more affordable housing to the state of Indiana through the Indiana Housing and Community Development. Authority's tax credit program. Tonight, rather than going through the w g history like we did last month. I would like to go straight into our proposed renovation of 7 of 7 North Apartments. 707, north as a 40 unit, mixed income, multifamily community that was completed in 2009 today. The building includes a mix of 50 60%. And my units along with
some market rate apartments. The project was originally through the tax credit program with and its initial 15 year compliance period expired at the end of last year making the property eligible to convert a market rate housing and in turn, increase, rents. Rather than taking that route to wg applied for and was awarded tax credits by and NOVEMBER of last year to preserve and Ethan Affordability. Through the rehabilitation will be able to serve households earning less than the area. Median income as well as extend the affordability period. 77 north is located just steps from Mass Ave. The site has excellent accessed Indy go
routes. Many downtown employers bike lanes and numerous neighborhood amenities. This is increasingly expensive area of the city preserve preserving long-term affordability and a location like this is both rare and incredibly impactful. Given the strength of the location. Our goal is to reinvest in the building so it can continue serving residents for decades to come. The project is isis substantial rehabilitation focused on extending the life of the building and improving quality of life for residents. Planned work includes things such as replacement of the roof and mechanical systems. Improving ada, accessibility. Updating finishes to bring them to modern standards and converting the ability to in gb. S silver, making it more
energy efficient. Alongside the physical improvements. The rehabilitation allows us to reshape who were serving and how the property from trends as affordable housing. The total development costs for the for this project or just under 2 million dollars. After the rehabilitation and comes levels to be served at the develop. Certain he served at 77 North. We'll include a mix of 50%, and 60% of the area median income. The vix will consist product prominently of 2 bedroom apartments which allows us to serve a variety of house colds and a highly desirable downtown location. Through this rehabilitation. We want to enhance 707, north and allow it to continue operating as a community that residents are proud to call home. As part of that effort, residents will have access to many upgraded amenities,
including a fitness center community room business centre, new in-unit laundry and a covered parking garage. Additionally, many of the units feature balconies with downtown skyline views, which is a very rare feature, a new affordable housing developments today. Altogether. This route will remain one of the few income restricted properties in an area where rents continue to rapidly rise. The other key component for 707, north will be our resident services program. We will provide monthly and quarterly on-site services, including fitness programs, financial literacy courses, career coaching gd connections and a residents association residents can connect with one another along with the property management staff. The services will allow residents to grow across multiple aspects of their
lives and contribute to law long-term success of both the property and our residence. Now that we've discussed, the proposed development would like to walk through the proposed pilot request. We are seeking a pilot starting at just over $15,000 in year, one increasing 3% annually for a 15 year term. In return, we commit to maintaining affordability for 40 years and delivering ongoing resident services. As part of the pilot will put additional effort into our resident services, reviewing them annually to ensure we're providing opportunities that benefit our residents to the fullest extent. The pilot is a critical piece to make this preservation effort financially feasible. As part of our tax credit application, tight cda. We must have at minimum a 10% local contribution which we are seeking through the savings
from the pilot. Over the 15 year period. The savings from the pilot totals about 1.4 million just above that 10% of the current estimated total development costs. Without this pilot. The development is no longer financially feasible at the Affordable rents and would have to lose its committed tax credit award for might cda meaning that the property would be free to convert a market rate housing instead of preserving affordability. If approved. Tonight are anticipated. Timeline is to close on financing in the next month. Again, renovation efforts shortly after in JUNE and be wrapped up with all work by the 3rd quarter of 2027. That is all I have prepared for you tonight. Thank you for your time and consideration. And I appreciate the opportunity to
present. I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you very much for your presentation. The questions. From counselors. Council MR. CHAIRMAN, I'm just curious about the ada improvements that were needed. Absolutely. So for ada improvements, the codes have changed quite a bit for most originally started in 2007. So as part of that effort, we are making all of the units, adaptable, meaning removable cabinetry, if needed everything at inaccessible level in the unit already with plug-ins in door knobs and or wets. And then we're also adding for new 8 fully ada, accessible units. I'm just I'm just curious. On just accessibility of the building in general, can you talk about that? Just the ada compliance.
You have to meet ada compliance that's beneficial to everybody uses it. Gibbs, I can talk like the high level fortunately with this building, it's already elevator served with very wide hallways in the common areas. Additional ada, accessibility above that, which is required as part of the tax credit program means that all the doorways have to be of a certain with to allow for wheelchairs. All of the common area amenity spaces have to be ada, accessible. With the big want us like wall outlets, the height of wall outlet has to be at like 15 to 20 inches or something along those lines. And so they don't currently meet that. So bringing it up to modern standards thank you. Chair Burnt Council news and I think you're going to. Thank
you, MR. Couple of questions first. So just so, Anderson, is this correct? Is the property? So it's currently what is financed by like Tech. Correct it right? It was yes. As of the end of last year case or is is the project that year is like what you are doing? Know that with with with a number of the light tech. Properties that are falling off the affordability, there's the a qualified contractor loophole is is is is that what we're avoiding here for, like a better way of saying it with with with the kind of proposed structure that you are all putting forward. That is correct. Just so qualified contract was on the table last year. We waved that and committed to 40 years of affordability by doing
this. Great. I I think that's something know. I've had some conversations with the night that MR. CHAIRMAN, think would be a really good. Just getting members up to date on like updated on what that means and how I think we can push in affordable housing strategy that. That incentivizes this kind of strategy because once they're gone, it's very challenging to get them to preserve the affordability of those units. The second question I had was on the on some of the sub Port of services that you are providing. I'm sorry, only. Are you specifically for like financial coaching. Are you working? Who do you plan to work to, to provide some of those services? You have someone in mind so far organization so far declined. Yes, absolutely. So we've been
talking with the John Boehner neighborhood centers for They offer a ton of really amazing services that are all available to her. Thank you. Yes, I was hopeful. You're gonna is one of our wonderful community centers in the city. So I appreciate that. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, becomes Gibson. Thank you, MR. Very excited about the more affordable housing in city of Nablus. And I applaud this project and it looks like the payment low taxes for 15 years. And but they guarantee affordability 40 years. Where is it that that makes that than and forcible? Is it agreement? So where is it in? Just trying to figure out where that's it. Years and write some more good questions. So it will be on a restrictive use agreement on
the property. So part of the deed for the property, we'll have a restrictive covenant that has to be used as affordable housing with our 50%, and 60% units for 40 years. Thank you. So present. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Council Nielsen touched on this a little bit. Want to applaud you for having the wrap-around services for the residents. I think that is at a game changer, right to have those services available to them. You John Boehner center or the other agencies that you can share with us that you are ready, start those conversations with or if they've already committed to do some of the other programs that you mentioned in this package. Yeah, good question. So they are our main provider at this point. We're exploring other options to add on to
that. But because they offer so many extensive services they've been hour main point to use and the development additional questions. They actually no questions. But a couple just wanted to thank Marisa and Chase and never wanted to Chief are working with me. I think I gave you all probably more headaches than you're used to probably a full-time counselors, new to this committee. But I really want to thank you for working with me in particular, working with the residents. I know you've committed in presentations for other projects recently to residents associations. And that was your commitment to be as Residents literally cried tears of joy just because they really appreciate having that agency and the ability to help be part of the solution, approving the properties. So I really think that's going to make a night and day difference. I really just want to thank you for that. Thank
you. Pretty good I said, yeah, I think it's great to making a formal housing for folks just a curiosity. What happens if during the renovation process of prices go up for us? It was facilities needs because what we just saw today with ewg always seen. A few times in the past with it with 2 wg just in general area has been that we've backed out of projects because of pricing. said happened here. So do we have everything in line? What happens if it goes up? But where we go from there? Thank you for the question. So I am focused on our affordable and workforce housing team are market rate team does operate separately. But with that being said on the Affordable and workforce housing side, we have. A lot of contingency
built and we are using our in-house construction team for this. And it's something that they're very skilled in. And we've had a lot of working Sessions despite all of those things cost can absolutely go up. So we have identified some soft funding sources that could be obtained if that was a need. But in order for those soft financings. Soft financing sources to come in. You have to show the need and why that is necessary. And I'm hoping none of those would include the city like we did with City Hall. That is correct. It completely separate from the city. Well, thank you. Appreciate that. Very good cause art. Thank you, MR. Curious how you came
up with the that specific residents services that are listed here and the anticipate it cost to provide them. Good question. So our resident services that are he stated in the agreement are what we've identified and what our property management team has identified as some of the most requested services from our existing properties. So that's a starting point. And then as part of the pilot agreement, we're going to reevaluate these annually so that we can make sure we're providing want our residents need. So if some of these are no longer. Needed weekend swap. Those out based on resident feedback. So these are our set once for now. But if something were to happen later on, something isn't used. We would have to replace that because our pilot is tied
to residents utilizing the services and then as far as cost associated with the services and those were just like market averages. We did research of different programming out there and what it would cost and the state of Indiana for residents and took averages of those and with that number. Don't have that number tell you I apologize. I thought you were referring to the like savings per resident wires that are going it's going to cost to to provide these resident services. So that will all be worked out with the John Boehner neighborhood centers. Whatever we have our final agreement. So here's my feedback for you. Is that, you know, I go around to a lot of community engagement meetings and lot of us do and there's 2 things I hear about a One is education, the other ones, childcare. And when I look at what's going on
here, oversee all I've seen, I've seen lot of these as you're inspection. This committee as we see a lot of pilots as one pilot after pilot or pilot in which I understand why we're doing it or why you guys keep coming back and others like you. It's because of the light to credits. It's the only redevelopment. Tax cuts are frozen. Everything else is on the hold. So I understand that aspect of it. But what we do when we use these pilot tools that we divert. Those tax dollars away. And and that is why I'm asking, what are you providing in lieu of in terms of financial him out? Because if I went and talked to the neighbors and I they would rather have a fitness program or child care. 10 out of 10. They're going to tell me they want child care options. And so, you know, as we start to see some of the things I've seen really good pilots come through here, I've seen some
of them provide Internet service for residents I've seen and provide really creative ways. And, you know, these things are good. These are good things for people and people will benefit from them. But, you know, I got to think about it, too. Could they could just go down to John Boehner center right now and equally get the services. And they probably, yes, the answer is yes. So, you know, I'm struggling because I feel like you just kind of checked a box here. And these residents services when the purpose of that, the pilot is provide something. And Lou, the taxes and this doesn't feel adequate for the request. Thank you for the feedback. I apologize. I do appreciate the feedback and I completely agree with you on the child care aspect. That is
something that we have heavily heavily export explored providing on site. We can't find a way to make it work to provide good child care right now. But it is something we're absolutely working on because I completely agree with you on that front. Know you mentioned providing Internet. We're doing that as well. Likes Dana included on the services. But we are providing free high-speed Wi-Fi for all of our residents. So I do hear you and I appreciate the feedback. With these pilots that were going through with the city. It's a what do we need to adjust and adapt as we go? And so I appreciate the feedback and have definitely made some notes here. Good addition, questions or comments. Seeing none. Is there anyone in the audience with an interest in proposal? Number 95. None. I will ask
for a motion. Poses. Improperly moved and seconded. All those in favor. Please signify by saying Aye. Aye. Any opposed nay. MADAM Clerk. Motion to scary and we show To see what next council meeting. Thank Laura. For a vote on this and the full council. The next item on our agenda. Suppose a number 97. She proves the state in the benefits of tc Heartland, llc. Doing business as Heartland. Food products grew. And African for tax abatement for personal property located in an economic revitalization area. Who is here too, speak to Keeping. Good evening, everyone. I'm kaity call and I lead ksm location. Advisors, consulting group associated with cat separate Miller, public accounting firm and i so appreciate the time this
evening, MISTER CHAIRMAN and MADAM PRESIDENT and council members with me tonight is Jeanne Wolf, who's the vice PRESIDENT Of finance for heartland. And we're really excited to tell you a little about a potential expansion project that would potentially happen in Pike Township. This might be a good time to think counselor Robinson for taking the time to visit the facility as he has many times in the past meet with us prior to tonight. We will get into some of the components about the project which involved a request for support for both the real and personal property tax abatement. But before we dive into some of those details, I thought I would turn it over to MR. Wolf, here who can tell you a little bit
about the company and he's much more interesting to hear from the name. Good evening. I'm not so sure if that's true, Katie, but appreciate your to 2 illustrate our baby quest here for heartland. As Candy said, my name is Jeanne. Wolf, on the vice PRESIDENT Finance at Heartland been with the company for 23 years. Absolutely great company. We provide a lot of jobs for Indianapolis. Gosh, I worked for 3 Fortune 100 companies in my career and heartland is the absolute best company that I've ever worked for. And in my career, why is that? Well, number one, we're a health and wellness company. Our facilities are our first class. But most important thing is our teamwork at the employees. We're very innovative company, strong research and development the 832 employees at our
facilities Georgetown Road a pleasure. It's a win-win situation that the company very innovative run for the last 20 years with big growth. And it's all because of our employee. We start out as a private label company doing little Sweetener. Pack Nick package. And then as we grew, we purchased a splendid brand which many are familiar with the little yellow sweetener package and most recently, last 4 years, we've been growing the job, a House coffee branch a great, innovative new way to drink and enjoy coffee. But these first-class facilities just recently did an acquisition of slim, fast products. So we are a health and wellness company.
We value our employees we have stated goals of of trying to get 90% are hourly production to live within a couple miles of facility. And last year we had 73% of the 832 employees reside in Marion County at an average rate $27 $0.61 We value these illustrate and help every pto Community Day. So we have thousands of hours invested back into the community for for pto time. And it's really a win-win situation and are indeed company such as when we're innovating all these food products we rely who's got the best ideas. It's the employees and they're the ones bringing
that to Point of speaking to this evening was just to illustrate what a great company does. What innovative company it is and how we have symbiotic relationship with the employees and the rd excited to look at put a whole new building up to handle the slim fast production. So I appreciate your consideration for the abatement request. Our next slide here. It's probably something each of you give him more passionate speech about even than weekend, but wanted to talk a little bit about why we selected Indianapolis, the manufacturing of these products is all taking place in Pike Township right now. And so the company is we looked at the financials and trying to make a good case for additional growth in manufacturing and jobs. It It became apparent that property tax abatement was going to be
a critical component in making you know, the financials for this project work and securing this type of investment into Pike Township. We are looking at, you know, Heartland is shared is looking forward to potentially expand one of the buildings and then put additional equipment and 2, some existing footprint and into the additional building. We think this positions, Indianapolis really well for You know, for continuing to in invest in manufacturing and and the best of technology and very well trained workforce. And so we really appreciate your consideration tonight of of support for abatement, which will help make this project a reality on the next slide. This shows you a little bit of the footprint of what we're talking about. The part
in red that's highlighted in red there reflects the expansion space that would be constructed to support some of the equipment that we're talking about here tonight. But also some of the equipment will go. As I mentioned earlier in the existing footprint. So in total, we're looking at over 90 million dollars of investment. That's 15 million in real property. And my eyes don't go that far. 70. 76 sorry about that. Old age getting to me. But 76 million and in the equipment as well. And on the next page, you can see in a little greater detail about our headcount projections. As Jeanne stated. And we work with a lot of companies at the 73% percentage of Marion
County workers is higher than what we typically see with sometimes with expansions and new projects with inside Marin County. So we're really it's something we wanted to emphasize and what Jean said earlier about the stated goal. They actually have it in their sustainability report that they want to have 90% of their production workers within a couple miles of this facility, I think is a really strong statement and a real commitment to trying to grow Marion County employment within within those walls, we would expect based you know, if the past as a predictor of the future that roughly 21 of the 30 new jobs that are being created would be Marion County workers. So that is something that you'll see a commitment from heartland throughout and and we work very well with the
great team at dmv to help us kind of iron out these details, an application and in a memorandum of agreement that, you hold accountable for meeting some of these objectives. On the next slide. This is just a breakdown on the investment side you'll see by year the trenches of investment that are expected and then over the first couple years, we would expect to reach that 30 person. New fte requirement, the wages were expecting, as you can see, well qualify the company for the Good wages initiative and and support a living, sustainable wage impact Impact Township and on the next
slide, this just kind of summarizes here that there is no land use requirement at its properly zoned. And you know, the use is acceptable for an expansion. We're and as I've mentioned, we're really just here seeking your support. We have been through the Metropolitan Development Commission initially and have been reading the Council, of course and understand that tonight. You all have an opportunity to decide if you want to support this request, going back council and then ultimately to the Metropolitan Development Commission. Think the next slide. You know that that partnership really does matter here. And I think one of the cool things that I've seen is I've worked with heartland over the years is that they have grown in such a
powerful and huge manufacturing presence here in Indianapolis, creating already tons of personal property investment that has not been debated many times over the years. This makes Indianapolis the magnet for capital investment in the future as well without the support. You know, it's possible that other locations might have received plans for this potential. Expect expansion. So it's really important that we we secure your support and that we continue to target investment and growth in these jobs here in Marion County. With that, you can see anticipated dates. You can see where we are along in the process. Of course, here before you tonight and just wanted to thank you for your time and attention. I
understand you MAY have questions for us. So we are both here to answer any that you MAY have, but I appreciate your consideration very much. And thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for your for your presentation. The questions. From council members. Thank you, CHAIRMAN. I'd this actually a question for Dmd staff real quick so we don't see abatements usually right. So because that would usually just go to the nbc because who gets paid to get a process. Question is a process question of why we're seeing this abatement is because it's in a tiff. Is that lie? Ok, correct. It is. And it's area a local down local to area. Okay. So we're just leaving your approval for this people. Okay. So it's that part approval process. If there is a abatement request as part of the tif. It does require
require the council's approval, correct. In order to move forward that. Thank you very MR. CHAIRMAN, questions can start. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. These are great. I love when these come to district 20. So congratulations, council and the reason I like by the way, case this coal. District, 20 on the east side has phenomenal. And Fernando opportunity. So next time clients are looking. But beyond that, why these are great is because these abatements come with the community impact payment related to them. And I always love to hear any of the creative ways that those dollars are going back to the community. And I'm curious how those are be expect being expended in this particular development. Excellent
question. Thank you. So ge MAY want to expand on some of my comments, but the initial plan is to increase walkability across the campuses and connection so that people can can move about and so forth. We are also looking into there are a couple bus stops that are actually not as close as you would think that such a large manufacturing facility. So we're in the early stages but have signed and executed that commitment to make the certain levels of investment. And we're trying figure out by working with Indy go exactly how to prioritize either some bus stop improvements or potentially a new bus stop that snow light matter to do any of those things. So we are in the process of still developing those plans. But the commitment is real and and documented. Good counsel
Cahill. This is just more of a comment and a question. I thank you for doing all the math the employees that you have. There is Marion County in the projection that. For the others, the future employees, the you anticipate because that is always a question that comes up here. And I think you MAY be the first one that actually proactively gave us bank. Additional questions. Consumer. MR. PRESIDENT, thank you for presentation. Want to Echo Council calles comments was going to mention the same thing. I did want to ask if you have these numbers top of hand hand, what would the minimum wage for the job Because average, you know, is great. But that could be a very broad range. You know, I don't have that piece information for you. It's it's a tough market out there. So
we're trying to attract the best and employees, but I don't have the average for the hourly production. We could follow up with that information just because the average is great and I appreciate that. And then just clarification here in place on currently have a union. Is that correct? Correct. There is Union. One thing I also add, a fun figure finding good employees is tough, especially ones that will contribute to the process. 31% of this workforce from a 10 year working their averages 5 or more years. 31% of these people have been there longer than 5 years. 10, 15 years ago. I was even close to that kind of. Retention employees. That's because of all the training we give them. And the
ability to move up and supervised. But we will follow up on that starting wage. It's higher than the minimum for sure. But I don't have that. I do apologize. The ways. Thank you very much that. CHAIRMAN, Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, for something for your presentation for your tour. Councilor Cahill of those were the things that I first met with. These folks is about the Marin County residents of their employees and that's something think is council be done for many years is that we prioritize those companies that many There's our own folks they've done that. When I visited diversity was incredible. Number one, huge diversity there, which is very, very good. Folks to cast
a might as well. Could just take a tour Kyle so hard. If like the time developments, your district take a tour. Meet these folks. See the different plans to have see the robust to have the technology innovation have there. Just a great opportunity. We just to see you all grow in our district, our city and staying here maybe one day we get your coming off us to Haven't come into Marion County. That will be will be offsetting as well. Right over in district one. So but guys, if you guys and take a tour, I'm sure you guys that taken to the facility see these operation with their to see the great things they're doing in our community here in So thank you for staying here. Growing here, people here in Marin County. So thank you so
much. Asked my colleagues to support proposal evening as well. Any additional questions for him. Committee members. All right, seeing none anyone in the audience with interest to propose in the Mid 90's. Good evening, CHAIRMAN. Also, Lee. My name is time listen and committee members. I am the program manager for economic incentives, Department Metropolitan Development. I'm asking for your consideration to combine proposition 97 98 for your consideration. They're the same project. And we would just like to have those combined for consideration. Is there a reason that we're not going to take these separately? One is under tag Midwest who is actually holding actual real estate piece of it. And then
Heartland is actually holding actual real property. I'm sorry, the personal property of it. So we're combining those 2 together for consideration. They're 2 different propositions. But the same project. Is for real property tax abatement in the other is for personal property because the real property owner is not the same as the personal So you're asking us to vote on 97 98 at one time. It is the same project except 1, 1, person is getting the real property tax abatement. The other is getting the personal property. So I'm assuming tenants on that property and that the real property owner is going to the real property tax abatement. All right. So what I mean, you want to take right now. I think they just want you to vote on both same time. Same time. So you call them out separately, you vote. I mean,
you go and vote on one and then vote on the separate but not have a separate conversation on both. Up to you. Is the pleasure of of this committee? It? Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN to center here, proposal number 97 98 together and vote on them collectively. Very good consent. Do you have anything or MISS As Fultz? Was it something you wanted to add? Thank Very good. So I guess right now than we need to hear propose a number. 98, is that correct? Think people right. They've already done it it's it is a safe. It is one project and normally the land owner is the applicant. Very and personal property for this point. A very very good. Pretty good for good. All I didn't see anyone in the audience with an interest in
either number. 97 or 98. Counselor. Heart, thank you, MR. I just, you know. Came about after looking into these things in. My my question for the presenters would be. Tc heartland. Responsible for. All the community impact payment piece of it or is there a separate? For the real property owners who are also getting in abatement? If I MAY clarify both entities and they have different names but their related companies to heartland, it's just I oftentimes companies will create an llc or something real state. So heartland is and their officer is who is side a document with the empty. So they will be responsible for fulfilling the inclusivity requirement. Any additional questions? Committee members as you can
make a motion. To Mr 97, 98 for council to do pass recommendation. Well, how about that? So most of motions and probably moved and seconded all those in favor. Please signify by saying any opposed nay. Ayes have it. Thank you very much, very much. World, scope. They appreciate very much. It's there's nothing else on the agenda for this evening. MAY I have a motion to we are