to probably are too many. So good to see you thank everyone is 05:30pm, on Wednesday, SEPTEMBER. The 3rd 2025 when the focus in the room of the city County building. Welcome to the Public Safety Committee. Committee of City County Council. We'll start I mean this evening with introductions on bottom Row Council heart. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN name is Michael Paul Hart representing District 20. And I just like to ask at the before we adjourn to I just got an item I'd like to talk about as the anticipated items that MAY be considered during the committee. If you don't want to They so I didn't follow through Council. Yeah, it was probably I was like jumbled face got There's an additional item of business talking talk to committee about it after our
presentations at that summit. Discuss it when we finished survey. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Josh Payne District 20, thank you. MISTER CHAIRMAN Pollen, a district. 22. Thank you. MISTER Chair Brian Mowery District. 25. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Ben Boots District 3, Lawrence, Washington townships. Thank you, MR. Cherry and Illini District 2. Thank you, MR. Carlos Perkins District 6. Good evening, MR. CHAIRMAN Kristen Carlino District 11, far West side. Good evening, everyone. And good evening, MR. Chair Keith grazing epa's Council district 9 on the east side. Good evening, MR. Chair Frankness Care District, 19 southeast side we were Robinson. Thank you. Council is chaired. The committee represent District one. We have 2 items this evening. The 3rd item, the early Intervention Planning Council. People spoke on to
our next meeting this evening. We'll have our first item, which part of merge service agency MR. Thompson was in France real presenting will come forward. Please. And if you here to speak to. One of these presentations, either this Summit of the Americas yourselves, please come forward and write your name down on the Sunday. She first and last name. Please. Us. These are the council's do have a hard copy of the presentation. Your microphone. Thank you. Good evening, MISTER Chair. The council members of Public Safety Committee. Name is Tom. Sell us on the chief of Mesa with me to my right is our cfo, new cfo Frank, also the tenants from Director, Brown and 9-1-1, center. They have Deputy director David Schwartz from Public Safety
Communications and also director Jay expense for emergency management. Before I get into the slides on that, like to recognize the men and women of Mesa call them the the quiet, the quiet professionals. They play a critical role and public safety telecommunicators who are there. 24 7, manage 1.6 million calls for service in 2024. And performing duties of a first responder. So far in 2025. Telecommunicators. Have given cpr instructions over the phone and have saved 40 lives returned Harpy. They helped to deliver for children. They also manage multiple critical incidents throughout county. The it personnel who managed the second largest it infrastructure, public safety in the state. Which also 81 law enforcement agencies rely
on 19 fire, ems agencies and 12 other agencies that also use the system. So dpw, indigo Eli Lilly and others that again use that system rely in order provide safety for the people. And then we also have our emergency management. Emergency management is there to help, you know, prepare, respond to and mitigate recover from emergency is our special events. This year. We had the tornadoes that swept through basically the Midwest member late APRIL. It's a late APRIL or early MARCH early MARCH and late MARCH early APRIL. On that we had. Emergency management personnel staff in the Yellow Sea on that monitoring the weather and being proactive that it and fact is they were given updates on the storm was
heading towards the northwest part of Marion County. I received a call from Chief Bailey impd. Wanting an update because he want to know if he had to hold over his shift in case there was additional resources needed as the storm went through. The storm passed through Marion County. Again, we have that massive flooding throughout the state in Marin County also have flooding again. Emergency management took a proactive role playing the role they ended up getting together with dpw impd ifd IMs. Yes. Citizens energy Phs and they had briefings every day on the current flooding situation throughout the Marion County and looking at those low lying areas within Marion County where we have residents are prone to flooding. Again, this is some
of the stuff that they and 40 million they play a critical role in public safety. As we start out our slide again, I want say that, you know, Mesa divided into 4 divisions. You have the 9-1-1 center takes emergency calls and dispatches runs. You have public safety communications that also manages the it infrastructure for all public safety. Then you have emergency management again to prepare. Respond to emergencies. And then you have the administration checks you an hour of MAY so that the administrative is basically taken care of. Hiring training, things of that nature that help, you know, attempt help us with with the management of the agency. Look at staffing, not currently. All divisions are close to
budgeted staffing levels. We have an active hiring process going on for vacant positions and we are working a fam to incrementally reach are allowed at staffing numbers for the 9-1-1 center. We continue to strive to have equitable representation across gender and ethnicity with Mesa. And we try to target those diverse areas of our community. When we have job fairs, a community events to let him know that again, we are looking for personnel from within our community to help fill these positions. I know that's not on the slide deck over there. But, you know, again, our leadership also reflects what you see on slide that there. So when you look at all the leadership positions within Mesa, 60% are with in Mesa and that kind of correlates with our with our gender. And then when we look
at the executive branch of those are the position to report directly to me where Baker basically 49% minority. Looking at the fiscal successes. Of Mesa. We were able to upgrade the visual situational awareness platform at the o c Again that you'll see the emergency Operations center as a critical component when we have special events or anything within the city where we have multiple public safety or disciplines deployed that we have to coordinate those efforts together and have that situational awareness that was able to through grant funding. But again, it's one of those areas that we have not only the special events here, but we have different entities
that are not from Marion County here. So whether it's a state police or whether it's other entities that come to assist us, they're able to use this equipment since they're on different systems. They're able to, you know, use the equipment for everybody in that room that has command decisions to make to be able to have that situational awareness for those events for that incident. Again, we provide training and information community events. That we put on for preparedness or to let them know what type of services are available to the public. We invest in our staff through continual education and or nationally recognized certifications to ensure that we are investing in our people. We're also ensuring a public safety and
infrastructure is robust capable of handling unexpected outages due to a man incidents. You know, recently here where we're putting the battery backup system, are we done mechanisms to prevent single point of failure? So not only that, but we also that, you know, acquired 3 generators this year. They're not like your typical generators are ones that have to be told by heavy duty pickup truck in order to be able ensure that if any of our tower sites or anything go down that we have the ability to still have first responders being able to communicate with each other. Community, engagement and outreach. We attend community meetings to receive input from the public to know that Director Brown tries to go to as many of those as he can personally to ensure that we're receiving
feedback. We continue to work ph sclc are impd. I have the I m s and other public safety agencies to ensure we're providing the services needed as these agencies. Organizations implement additional response requirements. We've partnered this year with ims and I have be in the townships to help develop and implement a nurse navigation resource for low acuity calls. We promote our mass notification system community events and city-sponsored events to help provide. To help provide information that might be needed during those events. Well, so we've tried to. Provide weather radios to those who cannot afford one or have don't have the ability. To have additional way to get weather updates. We're looking at 2026 goals and outcomes. The one big thing here that, well, it's not one big thing. There's a There's a lot of
them. But the one main thing here that we've been trying to strive to get going is our accredidation. We want to be accredited. So we meet the standards internationally recognized and making sure that we are following those. Those standards. We want to increase our staffing in our 9-1-1 dispatch center to continue the progress of eventually reaching that 10. 0nd, whole time for calls on there. Replace the most outdated outdoor warning sirens and upgrade to our public safety radio system. And then to upgrade our 9-1-1 dispatch councils with the technology. This is the total and a breakdown of the overall budget in. And I know that that our cfo will go over the specifics with it on on the following slides. Wynn Resorts. I'm sorry. So we look at our fun resource. So the 9-1-1 fund, it is state regulated, fine and that that funding comes from the service
charge to all. Phone carriers. And again, doesn't matter if it's a land line cell phone or avoid line again, that's that's run by the state. 9-1-1, board. The pfc fun. It's a portion of the county income tax revenue and then message does receive grants from Homeland Security. They get up live. Yearly typically receive. We usually continue search for other grants. The fit within our our scope on that. And then this year with with the federal grants, we just recently found out that we're getting to the grants that we normally get the u m p g Grant which helps pay for 50% of our salaries to emergency management personnel on that. And that usually runs around close to $80,000. And then the other one is the grant that one fluctuates from year to year. It's not. It's
not consistent. And it's also specific. To terrorism prevention, but also it's broken down even further where 20% off the top goes to the state. 35% has to go to law enforcement. There's a percentage that has to go voting security. And that and then we also have a committee where all the public safety agencies to include some from Hampton County because they're part of that. You was group. Were they get together to see what is needed, what has most priority. Like I said, we recently just upgrade the oc and then also you will see that I am to be invested in it with I think a drone and also these vehicle barriers that are portable. So we have these
big events. There's way to help secure them. A lot better. Thanks, chief. I'm gonna go through each with you guys. Relatively quickly here. So hit the one. It reflects a not a 4% increase over last As chief said, will send when making a concentrated f a stepping on 9-1-1. Calls to decrease those call times. Then also, we also have the colon health insurance increases that everyone's talked about so far. We'll also than a high civilian director of psc. As well. 2, 2 from a Suffolk. 26. It shows a reduction of approximately $63,000. With the remaining funds that will deny have mostly goes to have fuel and maintenance supplies fleet. Computer supplies with dispatch to support the operational needs. And that what meant and supplies for the radio accessories for the
public safety communications. To 3. There's a decrease of 1.1 million dollars. And some change, The key thing with a kid to a 3 here is we have about 7.2 million dollars worth of contracts that used to maintain the public radio systems. And that cost goes up every Approximately 3%. We had increased and I say charge backs of approximately $400,000 as well. And then as she said, we're planning for some. Of the grants that we normally get. Camp before. There's a decrease of $119,000 with. The weight budget went We we wanted to make that concentrated effort to get as much money go to. One is possible. We decided to cut, go to put down to about $90,000 using it for the
updates that we need systems. And with that, we will take your questions. Thank you both for your presentation. Comment or question Council is council scary thank you, MR. Over over the the grants are being disqualified no grand cru and losing any grants from the federal government this year or next year. So the ones that we normally get we we are going to get we just, you know, want to make sure that. The money that we're going to get is what they told us. We're going to get and I don't know if there's there's any other grants that we specifically. Again, I know that that there's some that that the state gives out that they get federal funds for that. And I'm not sure if the state grants that we usually get with people will come through. Also. Thank you. Thank you. Council Council
Delaney. Thank you, MR. Chair I recently received an e-mail from a constituent stating that he called 9-1-1 and was put on hold for 5 minutes. And I know all right. Think I remember that last year we talked a little bit about 9-1-1, we time you're being able to increase salaries and to be able to recruit more workers and retain more workers. And so. I was hoping that you could talk a little bit about wait times generally and then to your efforts retain and recruit workers. And if there's any correlation there. Yes, I can tell you in 2022, when Mason was created. Our whole times. We're at 34 seconds right in that come home times. No, you don't get put on hold. When you call
9-1-1. It you definitely. Are being told to stay on the line on every no one picks up the the phone says, hey, can can you hold since then? We've definitely decrease that time. And so far here in 2025, we are at 15 seconds before we answer that call. So that's a dramatic decrease in our in our whole times. What Again, we still want to get better. So there's a standard right that that the 2 primary nationally recognized organizations for public safety communications. You have the app going. You have Nina. They both say that 90% of your calls need to be answered within 15 seconds. And then 95% of your calls. Need to be answered within 20 seconds. So again, I told you they are averages. So we're not where we want to be yet.
Exactly. But that the 5 men, it the whole time, definitely concerns me. And I would definitely want to know more information on that to look into the sea. What happened? At that time on that call because that's that's unacceptable, period never had and less or something bad that happened within the city. Yeah. And I would love for someone your agency just to shoot me an e-mail because I'd like to sort it out to for my constituents trying to figure out why that MAY have been the case. It sounds like we might need some more information. And so I I would appreciate that. Thank And then it goes answer your second part of your question. As far as like retention and things like that. So again, that's one of the things that we know that. And in 2023, when think you too council into the mayor's office again, we were able to get their contract ratified and again, that that helped
immensely. And now there's at least a step for them to move forward, knowing that they have good representation from the union and that we also look at investing in our people, right? We know that people look for advancement. They look for that to be able to do something again. That's when we invest in education for for our talk communicators know, we're looking at get these certifications that are nationally recognized for them. That right? That's that helps to promote the men moving through the ranks on that. I know that we've we've created this peer support group also in in a lot of other kind of things to to help feel like they're their team there. So whether its, you know, when we have telecommunicator week where
we, you know, bring in food are. Cook food for them to do things like that. We we try to make sure we're making it as as a team environment as much as we can to help kind of retain the people that we have because it is a it is a stressful job for him. Thank you, counselor Counselor Heart. Thank you, MR. Chair and council delayed just give response to question. I had a similar kind instance happened earlier in the year. And I'll just, you know, get 100% due credit to Mason, specifically a gentleman named Mark Brown from the 9-1-1 communication center did a phenomenal job resolving similar situation occurred work with him because it was it was great resolved. There go back in wasn't recording and find out what the issue was. And then apply corrective action. So in those situations I will give credit to staff. They do a great job
of following up and and continuing dialogue with with counselors, but as well as the people that we're on the call, the first time outside of that. My one question I was just looking at from a budgetary standpoint, character 3 and you are starting to go over it put all the paperwork together. But just notice that taking the words in my ear from but cfo Harris, about the revised budget numbers versus the introduced budget numbers. But to you know, pretty large jump in repairs and maintenance that current revised number of 25 to what's being introduced in. 26 going from 3.5 to 5.7 Million repairs and maintenance. And then I'm just. Go to page Slide, 12 page, 6 of the budget breakdown, character. 3. I
notice there's bullet point referring to contractual maintenance and support for radio virus alerting this special systems contracts. Outdoor warning sirens and other. Escalators for operation. Are those 2. Are those that were talking about when you see jumps in repairs and maintenance from 25 to 26. So look at Page 2 of 5. Character, 3. Yes, to answer your question. So we've moved some of the money that was allocated one way last. You know, we kind of revise how we allocate it. So that actually couples most most of of Motorola contracts for the communication Systems. Wow. So the Motorola increase our contract was there are negotiations that contract that regard to go. Lightning doesn't escalate on the
contract. About 3% just in general. But the way it was broken out last was the way it's broken out this makes it look like it's a big jump. It was only a 3% job. It's just I. Put it all in one bucket and so spreading it out. Look at that more in detail later time. Food Council Council purpose. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, thank you for the presentation just wanted to know. This a question from my colleague. But to add on to that, I think it's also important for free make clear the difference between when a call comes in and its recognized answered versus when action voice on the other side providing some support to the constituent that's called because I think that's where the gap is. So I hear you say that we reduce the call. Time to about 15 seconds. But I
wonder how much longer individuals have to wait to really get another voice to be able to help them once they're there. I just wanted to add that. My question is on slide. Number 6. You mentioned the continued partnership Phs and clc are last year. We talked about your staff going through the process of training to make sure that when they get a call in and it's a mental health crisis that they know I'd where to send the call. Okay. Just give us a kind assessment of where you think the staff is now a year later from a conversation last year in terms of training and ability to be able to route the call to the right person we we continue to have clc are and director Brown this Andrea Brown with clc are any time that they get you staff or
that we have the staff if they can come in and and sit with our are telecommunicators that. So they get their initial training. What we've been told, hey, this is the train need to give them. But it also is good to have them sitting next to them when they when they do get calls in there. The thing is that, you know, when we bring a man, we don't know what we're going to get a call that involve clc. All right. So it's a lot of time that and then granted too, Director Brown, you know, her staff will stay there for 8 hours in order to try to catch those calls on that. So we continue to to work on that. And we continue to try to get better at to make sure that we're saying those calls where they need to be sent.
Just to follow up. MISTER CHAIRMAN would be possible to just have a member of the staff to provide some information to me about the number of calls received over a 12 month period that were referred to Co Co. You know, let me see um might have brought that with me. That will be also. And as you're searching for that, I ask it I'm hearing last when we're talking about the need for a crisis response versus 9 88 92 I want to make sure that we know that the calls are coming in and they're being referred. Do you have the number I I forgot to bring it with me. I know that I had it. Now. I know that I had it and we do. We do track that would direct both 9, 8, 8, and cl cr. And I can give you those numbers pretty quick. Thank You can
also council boots. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, thank This following up on a counselor. Perkins to the question right out of my mouth. Met was. The training that your Mason, 9-1-1, operators are getting on triology mental health crisis calls. I think that's critical. And I would, too, would like to see the statistics on that and just maybe an overview, the if you could give us executive summary of a call comes in. Is there someone there? 24 7 that is sitting next to the operator that can handle such a call and what factors determine the call going at 9, 8, seal cr impd or I d. To do that. Yes. What can you give us? Will some rain out of sight? Give you a summary now.
So like when when a call taker receives a call right there. They have to. Get the critical information first, right? So what's your location? We have to have that just in case. That's the last thing on the only thing that can be said over the phone from there goes into what's your what's your emergency? And again, they do prompt him to say, is this a mental health emergency so we can help your people towards that way. If it is a mental emergency from there, that's when they take it and we look at okay. What can see lcr be sent to. That. You hurt yourself. Are there any any weapons involved? Is there a disturbance involved in there? It's a once we get all the information sent there, they will. They will talk to him
for a little bit longer, but their their main job is to get clc are started on there because they're not like the fire Department police department. It's going to take him to get a little bit of time there. If there's someone who's in. Mental distress like that, where we have to stay on the phone with right? We'll stay on the phone one of the most of the time. Once we get the information we let them know someones on the way we usually hang up after that. But I can definitely get, you know, detailed information on how those calls go and maybe even trying to get a recording. So you guys can listen to it. Also on the 9, 8, 8, it's kind of similar. But what we do is we always try to use clc our first. But if the caller. He's going, hey, I just want to talk to somebody. I don't want anybody coming out here. If they're
kind of steering that way, well directed towards 9.88 or if clc are is tied up already on on a call and there's nobody else available. Clc are we will transfer over to 9, What triggers called him cat. Can't will be one that there's there's some type of a threat or some type of disturbance. That again, kind of requires that course Ponce that I'm cat can provide. If we could get the follow-up information to great. Thank you, Sir. Council. Galston, a corpsman. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN and apologies for my tardiness I wanted to ask. So I asked a question last week following up on this, the call responses in with 9, 8, 8, So, you know, for most of us that are in here, were told to call 9-1-1. And so there's conversations and I want if you could
clarify last week, I thought they said that there was you were not able to transfer the calls between at the 9-1-1. Call should be a 98 that you were not able to transfer that yet. And that was a state we yeah, we can. We can do that matter of fact as 9, 8, 8, and I believe those 2 years ago as they were standing up. We were having monthly meetings with dining and it's it's easy for us to 2 trailer. What we call it is that that warm handoff to 9, 8, 8, So the difference between us and 9, 8, 8 is that we're able to get certain information that 9, 8, not allowed to they're they're not allowed to ask what I'm understanding. I want to ask your name unless they ask your head. You are you willing to give us your name or whatever, whereas we ask you for your We ask you full where location or at even know we might have it on the screen, but we're able to transfer calls to 9, That's
not a problem at all. Okay. Get thank you for clarifying that. And so I guess along with that, I would be interested and the data and stats. It sounds like maybe instead of sending it to one of us just in that all of us looking at the breakdown and that shared. The share responses, right? And if there's any more efficiency, they can look into it. I think as we're looking at these budgets and how tough they are spreading some of the calls, if there's a potential to do that for capacity for. For our 9, 8, 8, the groups that respondent eye nose and others. I would love to have conversations often about that, too. Thank you. Council Council heart. And just clarification from the director when we had the
public Safety roundtable, going to be a lot of enthusiasm behind a program called the nursing Navigator and making the name wrong. But are these things correlated? What what's being discussed by the council members and that program? So there that there is. So we have so with and this was a a pushed by ims prime. So there's a lot of calls that come through for for medical help that don't necessarily need an ambulance. We want to see if there they want to see if there's another avenue where people can still get the help that they need. But they don't have to take an ambulance ride to the hospital where going to the hospital might be waiting there depending on, you know, if you
have a cold or a headache, you MAY be waiting there for a while. Can we get them? The services they need quicker to be able call yet. Anderson Avigation. On that and we do work with them now on the comic calls that have been identified by the doctors who set up farmers and medical dispatching protocols. On that. And then part of that is that if we do have again, they're still working with 9, 8, 8 on this to try to get that. We can send it to understand a gator. Nurse Navigator can spend a lot more time on the phone with this person and then make a decision. If if they need go to 9, 8, 8, the cabbie out there is that if it's aclc are and where we're just sending clc are. But yeah, nurse navigation is they're trying to. To push him or didn't get
those low. Acuity runs a runs that we can. We can get somebody else instead buying this. Thanks for sharing isn't like a great program. One opportunity hear more about it. Thanks. Council a great thanks, MR. Thanks for attention this evening. Just to prove question, do you believe that in your organization where maximizing the use today's technology for savings for efficiency for service and prompt responses or is there room too grow in that particular area? So there there is technology and we we we discuss it regularly and especially as as ai is getting a lot more prevalent. We're definitely looking at it. Is there some other communication centers that have used that we're just really has a tent. If we don't see it happening in a big center like ours, right with call volume that we
have and there. But we're definitely looking at our non-emergency line a lot of times the person that's calling there is just needing information or they might need report. Number to give you an example of someone steals your trash can and it's but v w or you lose it in order to get replaced you you need a case number or cad number. There's no. So the only we get that is by calling us on the on the 38 11 line right non-emergency line. And then that call taker will end up producing a cad and giving you the number that you need in order for you to get so stuff like that. That. It's just information or information we can guide someone to so they can get to where they need to go. I would definitely help us with that
because, again, that's just information that they need the you know, and again, there are times where people call 30 11 because what got live music over here. It's not an emergency but still needs a response that would have to stay with us. Eyes able to distinguish that we're getting. We've been a little bit hesitant and kind of exploring a deeper not just because the cost, we want to see a couple other the bigger step start using it to see what kind of problems they might have had or how it's working for them. And again, we do have a couple that have been identified that we can reach out to find out how that's going for them. Not sure. We have a special commission, new spate ai and I'm not sure that's an opportunity for so my colleagues to partner with you on see where you guys share information. But I do know
that that's a that's something that we probably can look into. As we talk about our service response to to make sure we were not, you know, 15 seconds or 5 minutes, wherever we There's improvement, particularly if we can reroute those calls, those not emergency call somewhere that can be handled with technology. So I applaud you for what you've done. But I definitely think we keep our eyes the technology of today as you mentioned. Thanks. Thank you. Council meeting. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, thank you, chief for the presentation tonight pt backing off of cancer Graves question something that else that came up and our public safety roundtable is how 9-1-1 calls are recorded and then sent over to the prosecutor's office or to impd. Can give the rest of the brief explanation of what that processes? Yes, all, 9-1-1, phone lines, most of the phone
lines, there might be one or 2, but all the phone lines were you call 9-1-1, 30 11, all the radio traffic between fire Department 90 the public safety and then the that uses our system. That's That's recorded and a lot of times for, you know, preparation for the investigation of the trial. We're ask for that audio and that audio is capped and our our audio records personal have to go search for that audio. A map, a one, a get the audio. They have to get that audio and they have to transfer to a c d. We're using antiquated. Technology for it. But that's that's kind of the way. It's been dead for quite a long time order to be able to fill that requirement,
whether it's a detective prosecutor, public defender. I mean, anybody them I needed or request for information by citizen. Thank you, Chief. Yeah, I just one of the public and the rest of this committee to to hear that because I was personally blown away. But and the 21st century and a first class city like Indianapolis. We are still using CDs to burn 9-1-1. Calls on. That's either mailed or hand-delivered or picked like something out. We then send that over to the prosecutor's office. Public defender's office impd. And I can't think of a more antiquated way doing that. Honestly, Thank you. Council additional comments or questions. And when the audience care to speak to proposal, this presentation. Thank you both. Appreciate it. Thank you so much.
Up next, in the final presentation, the Marin County Sheriff's Office, 2026 budget presentation from Erie County, Sheriff Kerry Forestal. The sheriff. Welcome. Good evening. German doing this evening. I'm curious, foresaw the Marion County sheriff with me is our chief financial officer Calin car. The presentation this evening, however, initiate approximately 16 pages for 16, displaced. And then I'll take the last to be open to any questions. If that's good with you, chair. MR. CHAIRMAN counselors of the committee, thank you for your time this evening. My name is Callan car. I am the cfo for the Marion County Sheriff's Office. I'm here to present to you. Tonight are 2026 proposed budget. This first slide shows the organizational structure of the sheriff's office are 6
divisions and the sheriff's command staff, the chief, Jeff deputy colonel and leaders of these divisions are seated behind us this evening. These next 2 slides show snapshots and statistics for the very important work. The employees of the sheriff's office engage in every day. These numbers cover the time period from JULY. First 2024 through JUNE, 30th 2025 so that we could get you a full year's worth of data. You don't just tension Center division is responsible for the housing care and security of more than Does your microphone as car? So we increase about it? Thank you, looked. The adult detention division is responsible for the housing care and security of more than 2400 inmates in the adult detention center. Arrestee processing. The atc is also responsible for the
transportation of prisoners between the atc and other correctional facilities throughout Indiana. They provide food, laundry, dental care, physical and mental health care programming to the people in our care programming includes religious services, substance use disorder Services, suicide prevention, behavioral health, post-release service provider matching and continuing education courses. The Judicial Enforcement Division transports to and from court approximately 41,000 inmates annually and provide security for more than 70 judges. Magistrates commissioners and their courts. Judicial enforcement also has over 80,000 transactions annually. They provide an array of administrative services to Marion County residents, most of which generate revenue for
the general fund. The division also includes the Community Outreach Section, which is responsible for community engagement. And the mcso is cadet program. The Admin Division has human resources training, accreditation recruiting quarter master the armory and oversees the proper administration of the sheriff's office. The accreditation team manages the application and renewal of several nationwide. Industry-leading accreditations and public safety corrections and health care and the mcso remains in the top one percent of sheriff's offices nationwide based upon professional kind shuns. The criminal division registers and monitors over
1800 and or violent offenders and perform almost 24,000 check ins annually. They also execute the intelligence and investigative operations for the agency. Our Homeland Security Division is responsible for providing security protection and access control for the city County building, Community Justice campus, which total over 600,000 square feet and 40 acres as well as fleet operations and the dignitary protection unit as agencies have moved to the cjc homeland has had to restructure post and positions required overtime usage. The Homeland Security Division also serves as the liaison between the mcso in our Central Indiana
partner agencies and they coordinate our involvement. And numerous other large events in Marion County each year. The Reserve division is comprised of volunteer deputies who are appointed by the sheriff. Toughest fulfill specific responsibilities. The division volunteers more than 23,000 hours of time annually to the Marion County Sheriff's Office and the residents of Marion County resulting in the savings of hundreds of thousands of dollars in wages. We wanted to start off this evening by talking to you about the staffing at the sheriff's office. I know you've heard a lot about that from us over the years. Staffing was the primary focus throughout the 2026 budget development. And it was our
main priority as we built a budget within our 2% growth. Expectations. The budget we're presenting you this evening makes investments in staffing for the sheriff's office in both salary and an increase in Ft. Ease when we built the budget in MAY of this year, we had 851 Ft East, which exceeded are budgeted number of 800. And 26. Through diligent over time management, which is a testament to the hard work of not only our frontline staff, but our division commanders and command staff. And a temporary hiring freeze. This year, we project that we will still be able to stay within our target character. One budget number for 2025, however, we know as a result of the kpmg study, we
need to not only retain this increase staffing number but include more fte in this year's budget. We worked closely with them on the 2026 character. One model and were able to develop a model that included an increase of 55 detention. Deputy ft ease. This increase in staffing is intended to reduce the reliance and stabilize overtime usage. That means the budget we present to you this evening has 881 fte as compared to 826 in our 2025 budget. Attribute to these increased staffing numbers to the fact that not only is our attrition lower, but the interest in our positions is higher. During the 1st half of 2025. Which we attribute to the salary increases and the collective bargaining agreements of the 881 fte is
in this budget 535 of them are in the adult detention center. And of those 535 307 are detention. Deputies. Well, we still have a ways to go. The good news is we are inching closer to kpmg's staffing recommendation of 397 detention deputies and the abc. Court line, which is in the judicial Enforcement Division was another area of focus in the kpmg Staffing study. Currently, we have 47 of the recommended 99 deputies for that kpmg recommended for optimal staffing. And we have 15 detention deputies, the detention deputies in court line provide essential support by assisting sworn deputies in the courtroom, transporting inmates to and from their cells. And they also manage
remote hearings. Why we are talking about increased staffing. We felt it was important to include this chart to show staffing trends over the last several years of the sheriff's office why it has been our primary focus for this budget. And a significant decline began during the 2020 covid-19 pandemic. But the most dramatic drop and you will see occurred in 2022. I think this was a result of the lasting effects of the pandemic attitudes towards working in law enforcement and corrections. But mostly the fact that our salaries at that time were significantly lower than other agencies in Marion County and the surrounding counties. As staffing reach crisis levels and 2022. We in
collaboration with with them. Introduce hiring and overtime incentives for employees. And that's when you'll see our staffing numbers start to increase slightly. And again, why we have a ways to go. The increases in the collective bargaining agreement have continued to serve as a tool to help us better recruit retain staff. And we think it shows that the pay does, in fact matter that the sheriff's office. Although we were under a temporary hiring freeze for part of the year in order to meet our 2025 character. One goals we traditionally engage robust recruiting efforts, including the following job fairs, community events and employment platforms. I won't read those to you, but these are just a small snapshot of
the events that we I attend in a year. We would like to mention some of the fiscal and programmatic successes. We've experience this year. That will also continue to be funded in our 2026 budget. We have continued to maintain our Triple Crown accreditation status, which puts the Marion County Sheriff's Office and the top one percent of sheriff's office in the nation, which means that we are complying with standards set out by clia and the American Correctional Association for a safe, secure facility operations. Second, we've worked very diligently to obtain grant funding to enhance the medication assisted treatment program. In the facility. That program has an average daily population of 100 inmates and provides both continuation and induction
treatments. Most recently we've worked with the city with them to receive opioid settlement funding, which allowed us to introduce product called sub located in to the program. Suffocate is a one monthly injections and it achieves better patient outcomes. Reduces the reliance on custody. Staff as it eliminates the need for a daily mad men pass for the individual center on it. 3rd, we're very proud of our successful suicide prevention advocate program in the adult Detention Center. The suicide prevention advocates are a team of individuals that work in the atc. They are designed to identify those in crisis in our jail directly. Give them referrals to medical and
mental health care resources and continued support. Next, the collective bargaining agreements that I've already mentioned several times this evening providing much-needed salary increases to covered employees. The sheriff's office, they approved our ability to not only retain the individuals we already had that recruit new employees. Finally, we have a robust wellness program, which includes a 31 person peer support team. They provide one-on-one interventions to support colleagues in crisis. Will also offer specialized trainings and wellness events for law enforcement and corrections employees. During last budget presentation. We mentioned to you, the fcc ruling that was going into
effect in JANUARY of this year. We felt it was important to revisit as this revenue funds. Very important programs in the adult detention center these programs include inmate education programs, re-entry wellness program, victim Services, independent accredidation litigation costs. And our inmate tracking software. These are critical part of the operation of the adult detention center and their funding last will likely impact these operations. And we continue to monitor this ruling and we plan to keep with them. And this body advised of the progress. This slide discusses some of the ways the sheriff's office interacts with the community
that we serve since moving to the community, justice campus. We've been very mindful and intentional with how we interact with our new neighbors and our neighborhood. We've hosted several neighborhood events, including National Night out our Easter Egg Hunt and the Halloween trick or treat. We also participate in faith and Blue, which is initiative through the cops office with the Department of Justice. And it facilitates safer, stronger communities. And it engages law enforcement officers and local residents through connection with faith-based organizations. I think we've also mention to this body several times are through my eyes program, which is a partnership with Martin University. It educates the public through interactive role reversal exercises. With the hope to educate and not
only learn from each other, but from the community partners that participate in those programs. We have our 2026 goals. Priorities and out comes outlined here for you. They all 3 are related to either staffing or inmates services. Hope to continue the process we made with increasing our staffing numbers both by retaining our current staff and recruiting the additional fte as we've included in our budget while staffing is improving. I think the inmate population is at its highest point in the last several years. And continued investments in our recruitment and retention are vital for a safe and secure facility. One of our goals is to increase our fte is that we've mentioned to you. In an effort
to stabilize our overtime usage when our staffing was at its lowest overtime, simply became a necessary part of daily operations. When you account for scheduling in a 24 7 facility, you have benefit leave time, sick days. Fmla and with the critically low staff. Over time becomes the only way you're able to cover positions and provide essential services. Finally, we have the sheriff's office have been engaged in conversations with Eskenazi Health. And have been exploring the opportunity of Eskenazi health, providing medical services at the adult detention center over the last 2 years. Engaged a consulting group, health Management Associates to conduct an analysis on this car. A
woman's car. We want to ensure that our present presidents are able to present this evening and you're welcome to come up for the q and a the presentation. Our cfo of the partner presenting to speculate. Present his car. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. We engaged a consulting group, Health Management Associates to conduct an analysis of the current medical services. System. We developed and improved model of care staffing matress and transition plan and we remain in negotiations with Eskenazi on a potential transition. If Eskenazi is not able to assume those medical services, we will need to initiate request for proposal for medical services at the adult detention center. We expect
those proposals will likely exceed 20 million dollars. And finally, we get to our 2026 introduced budget by character. This light outlines 3 different for budget versions for you this evening. The first column shows are 2025 adopted budget that we brought to you last SEPTEMBER for a total of 141 million, $392,282. When the 2025 budget was passed, an act tobar of last year. We and I believe most of the other covered agencies still had not finalized the collective bargaining agreements for our deputies, detention deputies and covered civilian employees. Which brings us to the second column, which is
the projected 2025 revised budget. This project, a revised budget reflects the 2025 spring fiscal which appropriated additional grant dollars to the sheriff's office. And it also reflects what we anticipate the budget include at the conclusion of the 2025 year and fiscal cleanup. The year-end fiscal will appropriate additional as well as transfer funds to character, one to account for the increases in salaries and benefits as a result of the collective bargaining agreements which projection show are resulting in an overspend in this year's budget of 7.4 million. The 2025 revised character. One figure includes an additional appropriation and character.
One totaling 6 million, $166,224 a 1 million, $266,651 transfer from character. 3 to character, one which results in a character. One budget of 96 million, $916,217. The 3rd column shows the 2026 introduce budget that we bring to you this evening. Which totals 150 million, $729,533. Before we jump into a breakdown by character and fun. We wanted to highlight some of the grant awards that fund some of the work we do with the inmate population at the atc, our Justice and Mental Health Grant has completed an analysis of programs at the adult Detention Center is currently working on redesigning referral pathways. We are working on implementing those
changes and operating a pilot program with Sandra Eskenazi Mental Health Center which is designed to assist unhoused inmate spree and post release. The second and 3rd grants on these slides cover our Behavioral management unit which provides re-entry and substance use disorder services to inmates in the adult detention center. And next we have our coast grant which funds the comprehensive and metis program. We discussed earlier it funds staff through the medical services contract to provide treatment medication and counseling services to the population of focus. And we also have the opioid settlement funding that I mentioned earlier. We utilize that to provide the enhanced medications for that program and they're designed to
achieve better patient outcomes and decrease their reliance on custody. Staff. Finally, as you've probably heard from several other of the public safety and criminal justice agencies are state Jay Rock Award for the jail treatment program was eliminated for 2026. That grant was approximately $275,000 annually. It funded a program with 3 additional behavioral managers, not those working in the stop and both have Grant's mentioned above, but they provided services to individuals with substance use disorder. Currently, we do not have the funding to continue that portion of the program, but we are constantly seeking out new grant sources to fill that void. This slide outlines
some of the revenue we receive at the sheriff's office, which includes the items listed here. I also have a revenue report in Europe, Hackett where you can see our 2026 projected revenue numbers. This slide shows our character one budget similar to that first slide. You have your the 3 versions here. You will see both a slight decrease in county general and a slight increase in public safety income tax. We also have slight decreases and our character. One grant appropriations. Just a little bit of a budget breakdown of our character, one budget. This outlines the overall highlights increases and changes in the 2026 character. One budget. Again, this budget makes significant investments
in staffing at the sheriff's office and the majority of the increase is that you see reflected are result of the salary increases in year one and 2. Of the collective bargaining agreements. This also funds and increase of the 55 Ft. Ease. It includes a 2.6% cost of living adjustment for non-union employees. The Enterprise wide 5.6 health insurance premium increase. Our overtime budget in the 2026 budget is 9.8 million, which is a $760,000 decrease. From our 2025 overtime budget. This slide shows our character too Budget, 5 budget version
and fund. There is a slight reduction in our 2026 County General Budget, which is a decrease and fleet charge back. And fuel and parts are 2025 adopted budget showed almost a similar increase. So I think it is adjusting to current spend. Additionally, we didn't not appropriate funding for the drug-free marrying count drug-free Marion County Grant for 2026, which is that reduction, you see reflected there. This is a breakdown of our character, 3 budget, 5 budget version and fund the increases you see here are related to either inmate Medical services or grant funding. And there was a transfer of appropriation. We took the reliance off the law enforcement continuing
education fund and increase the appropriation in the county and violent Offender Administration fund. This slide. We'll highlight some of the changes in our character. 3 budget which consists mostly of either increases or decreases to the charge backs. And we saw modest increases in IOUs. A computer service charges building authority, rent and vehicle liability insurance and then slight decreases in r I s a telephone charges and corporation counsel legal services charges. And as we were building the 2026 budget and knew that we needed to stay within our 2% growth. Expectations. We eliminated the private security contract
at the Cjc and City County building. For an annual savings of 1.3 million. And last but not least this is our character for budget, which is flat-lined except for a modest increase of $10,000 in the Federal Grants Fund. And with that, I will turn it back over sheriff or staff. Thank Simple car. Thank you. See if a car in the last slide. Here is ice. Average a population, Delta tension Center of about 101 people there. We are reimbursed and The county commissioners. 75 $1 a day for every one that is housed by the ice. Any transportation, but by any ice prisoners are handled by the Department of Homeland Security on Lie. Marshal Service prisoners who? Required us to take them to
court. We don't do that. Their house, all the federal, the federal government pays medical care directly. Their house into specific housing units, which are to 64 person cell blocks. And for that, I'm open for any questions. Figures, sheriff. So we'll take round of questions from our colleagues on the committee council scary. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN speaking on the subject of ice. You say transportation handled it part. Security and do they get due process and all do the ever see judge? Care. I think that would be more correctly directed at the to the ice. But they do have parents is to the they do have appearance is from the cell with the video camera attention to the judges with
the judge. That's correct. Okay. Next question I understand he has a lot of state prisoners. It will last. I heard it was a 1.7 million dollars. They owe you or the American shares from day ever pay. They have not have not. How many you? How long has this been going on APRIL of 2020? You just take those prisoners and drop them off the petitioner. I don't believe we can do that. You know, it's do you expect him to ever I don't know. We had a phone call afternoon. It's less likely that we'll see. Thank you, sir. I think just Because that's going to Welcome back to council
Perkins. Thank you. Chair Sheriff Scott be backing off that question with money owed by the state? Is there a reason given by the say as to why they're not paying it? Initially? They wanted to be sure the statewide all the bills were accurate. Their latest, we don't have an exact. Information from. The governor's office or their administration. I think the Department of Corrections it's going to meet with them soon and whether or not case, I think that's can be clarified from them. I appreciate that. I you can your position. You have to work through the bureaucratic lens there. If they don't pay us. Is there any recourse that we can fall back on try to recoup some of that? A telephone call today that I was involved with was multiple sheriffs and there are lot of options, including legal action which discussed by some. Thank you count. The birds. Thank you, MR.
CHAIRMAN, I have a number of questions. If you allow me a little bit of latitude this evening, let me just stop by making a statement that I've been in the council now 4 year 8 months, 9 months. I've never been check from identity walking into the council building walking into this chamber except for tonight. So want to well, we had xs Security coming in tonight. Then I looked at agenda and realize of the surface here. And so we want to first of all, say thank you to the staff that's here. The secure in us. I'm not sure what we had heightened security tonight, but I just wanted to name that. I have a few questions. Let me invite you to look look behind you. I looked on Facebook on yesterday. And so these flyers
that's as a missing person and this suggested sure that you are refusing to meet with community groups and have community conversations. Could you tell us why you have refused to meet with the community groups? I actually just saw this this afternoon just before I came in there. So first time, so many 2 things that they're not going to say places I'm going because I'm out out in the community. And secondly, when originally asked by talking about that, I believe that today. Forward back, probably would have met with her. I do think we'd still be sitting here tonight. And that was one of the reasons I didn't because I didn't seem that as though they were genuine and wanting to find out more about They just wanted to change my position and I wasn't going to change it. So thank you. Uses. Let's let's let the sheriff
respond respect for many a good chance to speak to your public comment. So if your response is you thought then that even if you met with them, you still will be where your tonight you did not meet with them. That's correct. And you've gotten a phone call directly for me requesting a meeting with community groups that's going you still refuse to meet with community groups. I did. Let me just remind you that your public officials, you elected public official. And as such you represent the entire public. You're right. Not just a part of the public. My second question for you is often 92 counties Indiana. Are
you aware of how many of work in currently with ice on deportation efforts? I think you need to be clear on deportation. I know that housing. There's 4 counties. And as for the 2.87 g program, there MAY be others. So therefore counties that I work in currently. Why do you think that? So few of the working with ice on housing. Assume they weren't asked because it was clear directive from both the governor's office and the attorney general to we comply the request of federal government. So your position is you don't think that they've been asked to my knowledge, they MAY not. They MAY have been to my knowledge. That's almost aware of Clay Clinton, Clark, unmarried, yes, and your public statements as that you are obligated by law to comply, correct. So I interpret
counties obligated by law to comply as well. From what I see from the attorney general, believe they are. You believe that they are? That's correct. But not a lawyer. But that is my position from what I've but 4 out of 92 counties of comply. But they are required to comply. Makes sense for United Church the of the remainder of the 92 did not comply. They MAY not have been asked. I'm not gonna speak for them. I'm just saying we were asked okay and so and so again, on the line and encourage you to meet with community group in the constituency. My colleague asked earlier that we received some concerns around ice detainees not get adequate support to submit the legal documents improperly moved
through the judicial process. What is your plan to better support due process for these individuals that are a part of your system. We the federal prisoners and that's all we do. And so there's that. Jasper cuts. So what I'm hearing you say? Your responsibilities only to house and that's when shore that these residents get adequate and proper due process. I don't determine what is due process. That's the courts. And residents I think a different thing cause we're not sure all of them are from residents, but that's a separate United States and that's correct. So so if we agree that due process is for everyone in the United States and you are, that's the sheriff avoid judicial system
of judicial center. Then do you think it's a part of your responsibility to make sure that that occurs? I think the part that I'm responsible for these are not federal prisoners that we've made in the rest responsibility of the courts. The federal courts. Thank MARCH Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN for for the opportunity. I I do apologize to the public that's watching that. We have to engage in this way with the sheriff because he refuses to meet with the community. And so as a refusal. Then we have to bring what could be a median to a public hearing. I have one question to ask our research suggests to us that we have had 6 persons to die inside the jail over the last year. This puts us at roughly a person dine inside our jail every 60 days. What is your plan to address this crisis and to avoid people died? And
you. We constantly address it. One of the programs we had was we have started as the suicide prevention. Advocates wants to reduce the possibility of people committing suicide. And we believe we've done that. As for those who involved in drugs, we searched We x-rayed them. A of paper this size can hold hundreds of doses of of illegal drugs can be smuggled in. So they still have a risk. Those who are addicted or have been without that drug in the news again, to put themselves at risk. So what I'm hearing you say, sheriff, is that that drugs is getting inside the jail. There But we just heard an argument built around increase staff and agree that there should be increased
staffing because the more staffing, the better we're able to watch. But the people will bring it various ways we And we're talking an x-ray. In addition to that, some people have taken it before. They've come in. The one of the deaths occurred shortly after they entered the jail. Ride into the intake area. I'm gonna thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN a llama called excess of counselor counselor ability. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN thank you, sheriff. And this car for coming tonight. I have been receiving a lot of e-mails about jail the sheriff's office holding city knees and ties hoping you could just take a step backward from the conversation tonight because some of this what's been happening here is news to me. And I think some of the level that me and my constituents on
Israel basic like could you explain why you are holding ice detainees? Is there a benefit to you or your agency for it? We're kind of what I'm hearing is maybe you feel like you have a directive from the federal government and could we start there? We don't benefit directly from the sheriff's office. The money goes into the county General Fund. I believe that what was clear from the directive from the governor's office said we shall. Following directions of holding prisoners for the federal government that was supported by the attorney General. That's position as executive Branch. If a judge decides to do otherwise, I would follow the law. There's dozens of judges out there one and make an order. Otherwise if there's a legislative branch. This body here show that there was no private
jails. Anymore in Marion County and you voted to do that. If the legislative arm the county said you couldn't receive any federal prisoners. I'd call that call. MAY be challenged that that's so I'm doing it from the executive arm of the government. So you saw the way that I understand is you believe that you are required to do this under state and federal law? That's correct. Okay. How long have you been engage in the process of putting ice detainees? And I say this because as a deputy prosecutor about 10 years ago, I remember ice coming picking up defendants, you know, getting ready to go to court like visual memories of it. And so I don't know where they went after that. But I know ice being a part of our
community isn't something new. I have firsthand experience with it. So if you was this something that's new or is this something that the jail has always been a part at least since 1996, we held ice prisoners. Now the numbers were 6 or 7, maybe and only since the beginning of this year was the increase, sometimes upwards to 100. And then my second question is on a different topic. You mentioned that you have eliminated the private security contract for this building. So it does that mean that sheriff's deputies will now be securing the building and and that criminal justice campus they were and they are okay. So that hasn't changed. It was just the additional man power was that the private
security? But I was directed, find the 2 million dollar savings in this year's budget, which was very difficult to One of which was eliminate it over time from the tenants and captains for the remainder of this year. That was about should be anticipated about a $600,000 savings and canceled the private security contractor, which would be 1.3 million dollars. So that's close 2 million dollars. I wasn't fine for the end of this year. As you were talking, my mind was kind of going back to the ice question is, is there any way? You know, I see a few lawyers out in the audience. Is there any way that you could refuse to? Not hold them or move them to another county or not participate in this is is there a way to do I don't
believe we can. As this Yeah. I'll leave it there for now. Thank Thank you, Counselor Edition covers the questions. Come Comets. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, I sort of 2 questions related piggyback on council Delaney. We have attorneys out here and through the administration through executive branch, have they reviewed and you discuss with them. So you believe what the directive is have we had a legal team within the administration review that and confirm that message. I think live giving everyone a copy of the Attorney General's directive and I think was very clear from the attorney general who met with many members of the Indiana
Sheriffs Association and addressed the entire Indian Sheriffs Association and conference. It was clear that his direction was not in media opinion heat idea, but it was the law. So so I hear that I'm just asking, have we as the city review this to see if there? Is any leeway or any way to refuse or any of those options in this? I have not talked occ about that. Okay. So council staff as we maybe work to have that conversation. And I don't know others on the committee, but please include me. My secondary question. My second question is is so we talked about what you have to do for the ice detainees, which is house them. Okay. So that's what we have to do. What can we do? As city as residents as neighbors as a community. What can we do for that? As counselors as the sheriff? We actually separately for the
rest of the population. There's like I mentioned earlier is to 64 person cell blocks. So people who are being held her eyes are all the same status as the upwards to maybe 128. If everybody was taken, what is clear is nobody is going to be on the floor. I was part as the original lawsuit was under Frank Anderson, judge serving the Barker said, I asked her what was the most important thing you need to do in this court in the jail? She said nobody's on the floor. It's not follow that from when I was there. And as I come back as Sheriff. And I appreciate that. So because nobody should be forced to sleep on the floor. So I appreciate that. My so what we're going to what can
we do? Can we? Bring in support services? I'm sure they're volunteers are agencies in this community. He would come in and help them make sure. Where is your paperwork what documentation? What are they? Because I don't believe that ice is letting them have the time and what they need to get that documentation or supporting them to do that. I think in our community we can do that. It's the least that we current events. I was just if if myself or anyone else can support in this endeavor. Please what is no like and I will reach out tomorrow. Thank Council thank you, MISTER CHAIRMAN. I really just have 2 comments for the sheriff's office as it relates to things that this council and the
sheriff's office have been working together on for a few years. The first comment would just be to say how pleased I am to see. The staffing numbers trending in the right direction, especially since the low numbers in 2020. I appreciate that you, folks did a lot of hard work to convince U.S. Council floor some additional funding and adjustments. I know there's a collective bargaining agreement. So I'm very pleased to see the staffing number increase. I think that probably takes a lot of pressure off each individual member of the Marion County Sheriff's Office. I'm I'm equally pleased to our deputies detention at the deputies and others, obviously recognizing those adjustments through both retention and recruitment. I know that each
one of our deputies, you know, as families loved ones. Those are critically important for their lives. For there. Families. And so I just wanted to acknowledge how glad I am to that that those 2 pieces are trending in the right direction for deputies and staff of the Marion County Sheriff's Office. And hopefully we'll be able to continue as we hoped to continue with many agencies in the city county enterprise to continue to make that forward progress not in backup and same place we've seen over the last several years. Thank you. Council counts are being. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, thank MR. Sheriff, a new team for
being here. You confirm, does the Marion County Sheriff's Office enforce immigration law? I think we'd have to We cooperate with the federal government, which includes the immigration. Okay. But you're not out on the streets. Enforcing immigration law. That's correct. And then you also can for ms anyone that has housed in the jail. They either committed a crime, but they're suspected of committing a crime. Is that correct? Believe that be determined by federal government. They're turning over people that they determined that half. We're holding 4. Okay. Council being final comments and counselors will come back of the public comment council scare. Thank you, MR. Chair. The people, the audience need to understand that the largest mental institution and Marion
County is the Marion County jail. 48% of the population is medicated. Until we get some place to put some of these people. It's going to continue that Thank you. The counselor is clerk. You want to do a region statement first, please. And then we'll do a a public testimony. As we move to the public comment portion of debate for this proposal, we would like to remind committee members and the public of a few ground rules in order for everyone to have a fair chance to speak and be heard. It is important that we each observe the following ground rules first, each speaker will be limited to 2 minutes. Second, any public comments must reasonably relate to agenda item under consideration. 3rd speakers who stray from the item under consideration or become unduly repetitious MAY be asked to move on to the next 0, conclude their comments. Finally attendees who cause disruptions that prevent the
council from proceeding through today's agenda in a reasonably efficient manner will be removed. Please remember that some types of threatening speech or incitement to violence are not protected by the First Amendment at all. We will deal with those issues if they come up. But we don't think they will. Now MISTER Chair, if a committee member asked for consent to adopt these rules, we can proceed to public comments. Thank you. As clerk call the first 3 names. If you listen for your name, please who region names come forward and then ago one of the time and you'll be on the 2 minute clock, the show present as well. Thank you as clerk. Yes, the first 3 names on the list are Jessica Saxton to Nala Downing and Martin gather You all can come forward state your name for the record direct your questions to me. Whom I speaking to into the mic is up this way. Please.
Okay. Thank you so much. My name is Jessica Saxton of a civil rights advocate and litigator from Washington, D.C., I'm here to provide public notice in accordance with usps rules of civil procedure as well as real 17 in 20 of the United States Supreme Court. The Constitution for United States of America is the overarching requirement that every state must follow. I don't think that any one of you here would disagree with that states are not able to enact their own alternative legislation is substitute that for the guarantees of the Constitution. Means your state laws a more powerful than the Constitution. And that is simply unlawful because one of them in a 5 to 9 states Constitution says that no person should be held to answer for a capital or otherwise infamous crime unless I'm presenting or indictment by a grand jury. However, here state has enacted an alternative legislation that allows your prosecuting attorneys, your police officers, your sheriff's department to charge
them information as opposed to indictment, which is unconstitutional. And violation is when you pay a public official to commit a crime. There are 2 areas of the Constitution that reinforces this. The first article one Section 10. That's where says that no state shall create any law. The show impair the obligation of contracts. So everyone here is under contract. He wrote to perform based on the oath or affirmation that you took to support and defend the Constitution of United States of America. The second reinforcement, issue regarding animal human violation, which is when you pay a public official to commit a crime is the 14th Amendment. And that's where says that no state shall create one foresee law. The show bridge the privileges or immunities of United States citizens privileges and Immunities of United States citizens are at a bare minimum. Those that are
enumerated within the bill of rights in the First here today to provide notice you that you cannot continue to pay public officials to commit crimes against the citizens of this county or the city. Any time that you pay a law enforcement officer to bridge the Constitution, that is, in fact, a crime is unemployment violation. It is illegal and it is unconstitutional. Some asking you honorable individuals, please take a look at cause one of amendment 5. This is no person should be held to answer for capital or the wasn't crime and then directed to a public officials to act lawful constitutional manner that is consistent with the obligations codify in the Constitution, along with their oath of office. I haven't noticed that. I would like to put on the record. Please. Thank you so much. Thank thank you for your comments. Your
name, sir. For the record. Somebody in the 10 with downing. I'm the civil rights litigator accident just talking for parents argue this case tonight. 6 per important to have 1, 7, 100,000 people are currently prison here in America illegally unconstitutionally. So I need to provide clarification. So Jenna Sandwich, happened and how do we move forward? What we're asking from you. So again, no state can create some alternative legislation, gluten imports. That is the woods, the law, because that would be I direct violation constitution states. So if you're sheriff's department are going out and executing warrants because the judge's order them to do so. But that judge relied upon in their state statute to order that arrest that sheriff's departments privately rights
and Cold Water Committee crime. And when they take job housing them unconstitutionally because there's no constitutional authority do so. So these after I have approximately 11,000 come Labor Day. But on behalf of victims of men charged wave information on indictment in violation constitution, states from right here from within the state of Indiana. Many are from within Marion County itself. These app, they've saved enough. I-2 particular crimes. First title, 18 usc subsection, 2.2, which is deprivation of rights under color law. With that statute states any person who want to color of state statute ordinance, custom regulation, surprising person writes, could countries commit that crime? The second title, 18 usc subsection, 2, 4, 1, which is conspiracy to deprive rights with that state's is when 2 or more persons
conspire with the purpose of depriving any person, the right But country. She commits Akron now the last of criminal conspiracy per public officials, states that any person who having knowledge of any of the wrongs conspired to be done and who have the power to prevent or aid in the Prevention of Commission, same neglects or refusing to do so. Maybe join Spence Action soap on having been provided with this notice informing you that your agents who pay or out by leaving constitution states and ask you, let's go Texas because the alternative is that I'm going to have start pretty scream Davidson complaints. I don't go down that path. You don't want to down the We've been in contact with. We've been in contact with the director at the I
desk tells was also the ranking member Senate Judicial Oversight Committee. Agree that when the sheriff's Department police department law enforcement, when they failed to follow the Constitution obligations they have, they are subject to rest. I know that you're going to go. Asked guys, please step up to start to ease your office. Fill the obvious promise that you made. People stayed in the analysts. Sports constitution think. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. We want to more names, You MAY record, sir. MR. CHAIRMAN members of the committee, thank you. My name is Martin de Augustino. I live in Council district 13. I want to ask you to do something really hard tonight. It's hard because of your position in our political economy. And it's hard because we have competing principles involved here, not just competing interests. But I want to ask you to use your power of the purse. To reject the sheriffs proposed budget until and
unless he commits to not being an agent not being an instrument of the Trump administration's cruel regime. It's going to be said that there's and executive order from the PRESIDENT From the governor that there's opinion or a statement Attorney General Rokita. But, you know, when the law is cruelly applied when it's applied arbitrarily capriciously when it's used to instill fear to divide our communities that mocks the idea of law. That's not law. Local government should not be an agent or an instrument of the federal government when it comes to
immigration law. So I'm saying do not acquiesce saying no, not yes to this cruel regime. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Service, Kirk Henry. 3 more names, please. Corbin for Larry Jones and Jones. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Corbin Haven or District in Indianapolis. And I am here because this is a committee being on public safety. And right now we have a lot of neighbors that are not safe. They are not safe because face. Whether or regardless of their language a proficiency. They spoke a different native languages in mind. They haven't darker skin tone than mine and they are not safe and it doesn't matter what their immigration or legal status
is. They are not safe because of who they are. And we have seen this over and over again from the administration in Washington, D.C., We have seen this over and over again. So now we have an elected official who with us. Who based on his comments is put absolutely 0 fall are critical thinking into this. It's just playing along. You know, quite frankly, we there is, you know, there is discretion. There is discretion. And quite frankly, we have been reactionary to a lot of things. We have been reactionary to an incident in the summer despite years of declining crime rates in Marion County. We were
incredibly reactionary toward hammering down a curfew law as opposed to actually investing in our youth. Can giving them a place giving them a place to go giving them a place to apply their talents. We were quick to put the hammer down on our youth. Add to ramp up the curfew. Law enforcement. And right now we're clearly not getting our payments due from the state from the federal government to house Ed to house art to house inmates who clearly go against the values of the vast majority of voters in Marion County. By the way. So I asked so I ask that you take out the money from housing inmates and put it back into our youth because we need put our money where our values are. Thank you. Your comment service clerk to mornings. Larry Jones, Audrey
Jones, the nexus Stewart Mora. Larry Stewart. Cape Thank you. Yes, I am Audrey Jones and I am reading this statement on behalf of Reverend DR. Clive pose Lee, who is the state moderator for the Baptist Convention. We had no problem finding the sheriff when he was trying to come to our church is while he campaigned along with many others within the Democratic Party. We cannot be silent cannot be silent about the issues and destruction that ice is perpetrating part charity and in our major cities and right here at home. I cannot be there tonight, but I 100% stand with you and you can say my name publicly. So again, that is Reverend Doctor Clyde Posley. Thank you. Thank you
for coming. Stuart. Mora and that owns or Aaron Hobbs. Good evening. My name is Stewart Mora lived in Indianapolis is 2008. My wife was born and raised here. We live on the North side in Council district, raising our family there. I'm here this evening because I work at a law firm that does immigration and criminal defense work. So I speak with detained immigrants and their families every day. Most of our clients live and their families live right here in our city. Because of the work that I do. I in the jail on a regular basis and I have good relationships with many of the sheriff's detention staff. Lots of good professionals there. I have nothing against share forestall personally. In fact, I supported him as a precinct
committee person and I voted for him. However, this year have been really disappointed. I've been really frustrated. You showed a lack of leadership. Sheriff. Not meeting with the community has left us guessing. Why does the sheriff continue this U.S. Marshal Service contract even though we all know you I knew because I was taking the calls. That the federal government increased their use of our facility for the detention of immigrants. It sounds like tenfold. Instead at. I assure you, but we're currently seeing an immigration court is not what we would recognize as due process. Many detainees being held for months without a scheduled court date. Without
a bond. Without legal counsel. Is that something we allow here in Marion County? Because that's what we see with ice detainees. Clients or often ice detainees to not even have a basic understanding of the proceedings that they're facing or when those proceedings will move forward. And counselor vein, I appreciate your question. No, not all the ice detainees have a criminal record. Share forced all. We're asking you to cancel the U.S. Marshal Service contract. If you think that there's a legal question involved, why did you not address it with the occ? Why did you not meet with the community to have that conversation? This is our community, too. This is our detention center. We're asking you to cancel the U.S. Marshal Service contract. And if we need to have that fight with the ag, then let's have that fight together as a community for the sake of our own
community. Thank thank you for your your name. For the record, please. River. Nanette Ridge own senior Pastor Scott United Methodist Church in District 13. Most of us in this city believe that no matter the color of our skin, the language we speak at home or the way we pray that everyone should feel safe and secure in our community, whether inside the walls of our homes, our schools or our workplace or place of worship, a true public safety system does not. Families apart. It protects them. It does not criminalize neighbors. It covers them yet. Our sheriff has chosen a different path after repeated requests to meet with live free has ignored us after opportunities to listen to. He has silenced s and while shutting his doors
to taxpaying law-abiding citizens, he has opened the doors of our jail to ice, detaining our loved ones, tearing family apart families apart and then hiding behind laws that his own colleagues refused to enforce. And sheriff, this is not leadership. It has scoured is and that is not justice. Complicity with power and it is the behavior of an oppressor. The word of GOD is clear. And Isaiah 10, the road to those who make unjust laws to those who issue oppressive decrees to deprive the poor of their rights and to withhold justice from the oppressed. And Jesus says in Matthew, 25, whatever you do to the least of these my brothers and sisters, you do. And to me.
And so sheriff, when you harm immigrant families, when you denied due process, you do not just harm them but uof in the GOD that created them. And so we are here as witnesses today to say that we will not be ignored, that we will not allow and justice to continue. We will not be silenced and you MAY evade accountability but got people will keep raising our voices until justice rolls down like water and like a mighty stream because we believe that everyone belongs and Indiana. And we who believe in freedom and justice will not rest until they come. But thank you for your comments. Must clerk got 3 more names? Yes, Aaron Hobbs, Brian Moore and Jesse
Brown here. Good evening. MISTER Chair and committee members. My name is Reverend Hobbs and the senior Pastor Broadway United Methodist Church located in District 8. Also member of the in the Action Coalition. In a move that we often talk about helping people are not harming them. Well, making sure our systems. Also match that intention. The current practice of the jail, however, is only furthering harm inflicted upon already scared and vulnerable communities. Legal advocates that are working with us have shared testimonies of those being detained. Our Jill does not offer any services to help people navigate language barriers. Jail staff are waking up detainees at 03:00am for breakfast and placing those they deem as
troublemakers into solitary confinement. Despite not understanding what they're saying or what they MAY need. Ice detainees are forced to stay in rooms with lights that are left on. 24 7 with the intention of disrupting their physical and mental wellness and the sheriff's Department staff are also not supporting detainees in obtaining necessary paperwork for immigration hearings resulting in a backlog in negative outcomes. Immigration court. Due to sheriff or stalls, inability or unwillingness to provide support inhumane treatment of ice detainees in the Marion County Jail. The city Council should demand that he continues. This continues. His work with ice immediately and Re focuses his attention on Marion County and maintaining the safety and humane treatment of all who
are in his offices care. And the other personal note, sheriff or it is beyond disappointing that you have such low regard for your constituents that you refuse to move with them because they might challenge And thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. Brian Moore. All right. Life long resident of Indianapolis at a community organizer. The community's job. The committee's job is to advance policies and procedures. My job is to ensure that our communities remain safe. But the truth our community is safer because we have separated families and individuals who are the tape or simply working hard. And making a lit. Deportation.
This the Forest Taishan plant. It's not about safety. But it's about control. And it's inhumane. Advancing this budget, advancing the sheriff's budget with the collaboration of ice will not make us safer. But only will incentivize the increasing. Caging of individuals. Think that counselors? Given CHAIRMAN Robertson. As all well know about Jesse Brown, the district district 13. I do not serve on this committee, but I was asked by my constituents offer some public comment here tonight. I think the sheriff's office are communicating with be ensuring that perspective about the topics and this evening. And
honestly, I can understand that perspective. And if I heard these arguments in the year 2019, I would find persuasive. However. My constituents have made it extremely clear. You've heard some of them already tonight that they recognize the political reality that we're living SEPTEMBER 2025. Right now we're living through the biggest constitutional crisis in this country since the Civil war easily. This is no time for business as usual. Our neighbors are being targeted and attacked by our federal government. And our state government is aiding and abetting these attacks. My constituents are crying out very clearly. They expect their local elected officials to do more. They want us and that is including me to do more than what we're doing today. I understand that the Todd Rokita and Mike Braun and Donald Trump will be angry if
the sheriff refuses to contract with ice. But look at what's happening today. The people bearing the brunt of the anger or the families living near poverty in our neighborhoods. There are people being rounded up and sent to concentration camps right now with no due process and the people demanding assistance are not even pay their bills to your office. It is our duty as elected officials to stand in between fascism and its targets come what MAY that is? What my constituents. We're also the voters will choose. The next sheriff wanted me to convey today. I sure hope you will. Listen. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Council show property without due process of law. Do you all support Thomas, Reverend
Chauncey Brown and Karen Bird Thomas River. Chauncey Brown was the other one. Thank you. Byrd. I understand my name is Justice Hogg. We're talking a lot about that. My name is just as on the law student on a U.S. 3, 0, familiar with you, buddy. The 5th Amendment States. No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. Have we all that ended in English class? Is this all our native language? As far as I can see up here, at least I'm going to assume so. It is not crazy to be able to understand that 5th Amendment, something that we hold so dear in our hearts as Americans and as people who believe in the Constitution, I would hope. The 14th Amendment states, something very similar which once again drives the point home, that due process is integral to the American
system. Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law, nor deny any person within its jurisdiction. The equal protection of the laws, either. We are all a little bit up here. Either. We do not understand English. We are choosing to be complicit in violating the U.S. Constitution. Which one is it will see your vote. My name is Karen Bird. I'm a resident of district. 2 here in Indianapolis. And I kind of wanted to point out something that I think goes under discussed a lot in these kinds of situations. And that is the cost to local law enforcement and local government. When these ice initiatives similar come to town. A look at where we are right now, right? I mean, the sheriff's department, like all law enforcement depends on the
trust of the public. There's always going to be tension right between law enforcement in the public. You know, sometimes law enforcement does things that the public doesn't like. They have to enforce rules that are sometimes unpopular. But in order for it to function, people have to have a base level of trust for local law enforcement and these ice agreements across the country have undermined that. Look at where we are right now. Right? We have a sheriff who doesn't want to meet with his own constituents with people who are in his community that he serving because he fears being challenged on a directive that he feels has been handed down to him and he has no choice but to obey. And then we've got the public who is now on the opposite side of a legal
system that is supposed to be supporting them and ensuring their safety. I've read the 2.87 g Agreement, at least the part that's public. And you know what it says. It says that all liabilities rest with the local law enforcement portion of the agreement of they're upholding of it. It says ice is responsible for nothing. And if there is a dispute, ice will be the one to adjudicate who's at fault. This is a terrible idea. Not only from, you know, a human rights and port, which the peace speakers before me have emphasized, but also from a political standpoint, because look who's here having to defend what ice is doing and the results of the underfunding of our local jail, apparently even with the money coming in from ice, it's you. It's the sheriff's department. Ice is not here. You're the ones that are going
to bear the political consequences. So I really ask you to think about more long term, the benefits of property with this agreement. Really like to ask the sheriff to please police terminated. Because $75 a day just isn't enough for the results that you're seeing. Good evening. Chair members of the Public Safety Committee and Sheriff Forestall. Johnson Brow. Resident of District 15 here, Indianapolis. Bailey Lau Magic dooms richer, good Carlos Hernandez, Nicholas Grant and Frank Lambert. These are those who lived and into the land of ancestors from the Marion County Adult Detention Center, the 2024 2025. This is not public safety. This is a system in crisis while lives
are being lost share forced all we can no longer voluntarily continue. This entanglement with Justice Orrin Justice, this entanglement with ice. Let's be clear. These are practices that are not mandated by law, but they are choices choices to hold people longer without due processes. Choice is to turn neighbors over ties choices. That's separate families and destabilize communities. Choices that harm the fabric of Indianapolis. We cannot leave lives up to loose interpretation of law. This is why legacy matter share forestall as you approach the end of your term, you face a defining decision. Well, your legacy be remembered for the overcrowding. The preventable deaths and voluntary ice and take or will it be remember for your courage, the courage to stand up to the governor and in bad contracts have full practices and protect human
dignity. And this committee to most face history, decades from mount. The record will show line item by line item or even partisan arguments. It will show whether you have the courage to stop unnecessary deaths and unnecessary ice holds where the Eustis island while vulnerable lives were lost and families torn apart. It is the Reverend Jesse Louis Jackson senior who says leadership has a harder job to do than just choose sides. It must bring sides together. That means choosing people over profit justice over convenience and dignity over detention. Thank you for your comments. Are you name for the record? My name Devontae Gilbert Bay. I'm of t of the more Science of America. America to 13 Indianapolis, Indiana. And also I'm a certified advanced
practitioner through the Centre. Mind Body Medicine. I sat sheriff and I heard you talk about mental health within facility right? And as a person U.S. Justice involved have been of these facilities where the county or an actual dot prison. It's a joke. So everything heard you say these program, but you're saying implements and these there because these counts of the stuff, they're not adequate. They're not efficient. Right? So you're saying that mental health matters in the community where turnout of community by being involved with ice, you tear families apart. You're the reason why crime with families are being taken apart. Men and women with parties on fathers, mothers been ripped apart of their families and kids don't have fathers and mothers are cousins of people that can raise them where they go in
turn to. Murder, robbery, selling drugs right? And now these officers right here now in danger could have protect the community from you. Taking these people with missing limbs. When you have the power, the choice to not abide by, you have the power. So what are you going to? I used be the main person perpetrating perpetuating all this stuff. All this chaos, the confusion, a community because you're taking the men and women at a community. You're taking them out. Think about that. You really think about that because you're saying all this lower violence. Which you started, it. I come in peace now live in love. Thank you for your comments. Anyone else muscular the last 2 names that have
that have not gone yet. Our Amy Gousman and Thomas, mean and it will come forward. Please. Hello and good evening. I don't want follow that speech because that was amazing. My name is Amy Coast. Mind. Am a lifelong resident of Indianapolis. I am a certified nurse midwife with a specialty in perinatal mental health. As a naturalized citizen adopted from Colombia, South America with the Latinos and young, a doubt. I feel compelled to speak out regarding the general treatment and dehumanization of the undocumented immigrants here in this country. And here in Indiana as a Latina. Pleased escalation of racial profiling, hunting brown and black people by masked men
often that no warnings using aggressive tactics to meet quotas directly affects growing fears of myself. My family and my Latina community in central Indiana my family and others have about the mood for every new passport paying extra for expedite it. My passport card to carry in our wallets as well as I have asked my son not to drive downtown when rumors of ice move there and doing traffic blitz on the West side. On the West side, intimidation has grown to the point that a traditional Latin event Live Plaza Cove that Fiesta that we intend every year. And I have danced at as a performer was canceled. County people into Marion County Jail to be held for an amount of time and facing inhumane treatment due to racial marginalization is not okay. We cannot guarantee
or no. Well due to lack of transparency of those being held, if they have access to Libya's family members are quite dates, medical care or protection of human rights. I'm here to Cannes for an end. Association with a domestic terror group that ice is to end the kind contract with ice from Marion County and to be in the right side of history. And build trust of the immigrant community icon fit announcement of the sheriff saying he is forced to work with the feds and to condemn fascist policies of working with ice who has recently funded as a small army. To round up any with anyone that looks like me and my family. But thank you for your comments. Hello. My name is Anna Thomas. I just recently moved to district 6. I've
lived need all of my adult life and have been in the health care provider scene. So it's been interesting. Share forestall with all due respect where your constituents we elected you to service and keep of safe. No exceptions. They are throwing our immigrant neighbors in jail and your cooperation with outside federal agencies doesn't make us safer, more secure. Build trust or make for better law enforcement. It's not a good use of the law enforcement time and energy to harass and threaten neighbors just because of their country of origin, color of their skin, the language they speak or the sound of their name. Rounding up our neighbors for deportation does not keep us safer. It's not fighting real crime or addressing the root causes of our public safety challenges. So we asked the
city Council could not fund it or just break the contract doing it because it's a lot hold up the Nuremberg. So keep your hands off for neighbors and keep our families whole heap in the Thank you. MISTER Clerk. Thank your comments. Members present it. That is everyone on the list. Thanks so much comment to question council's final comments, councilor of Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN and thank you to everyone who came out tonight to speak thank you for your presentation. Cfo car and MR. CHAIRMAN, it's good to see you. I was reading through the letters provided in our packet that are letters to the various sheriffs departments from office Attorney General Todd Rokita. And MR. CHAIRMAN, it feels like more fear-mongering, more. State
threats and to that, my 2 word response, MISTER CHAIRMAN is let them. We should not be. Fearful. But now is the time to be brave. And I think one of our colleagues and maybe even a member of the audience MR. CHAIRMAN asked, what can we do? I believe it was last week in this very committee meeting. I. Beg this administration. Not the sheriff, but but Mayor Hogsett too reinstate. The immigrant legal defense funds that were cut more than 6 figures from our operating budget and the Office of Public Health and Safety. And this is. Just a backdrop to the conversation that we're having tonight. I think we need to not only reinstate those funds but increased them given the climate that work. And with
that, I yield back. MISTER Chair, thank you. Council got to come. Some scary. Thank you, MR. Chair. First of all, I agree everything. Everything everyone said about what's going on. Sheriff are stall is just doing his job. He's under oath to do his job with the violin. The law. You guys think I'm up your tech seen to obvious Texan and journey, he says the council can cancel any federal contracts. And I would do. What I can do is art do a proposal to stop. You know, the contract says the federal government. Counselor counselor boots. Thank you, MISTER CHAIRMAN. Thank you, sheriff and the cfo car for your presentation this evening. I appreciate the pressure live. The sheriff's office is under particularly
when the state and federal government. But also point out our attorney general is a lawyer that's been disciplined by the Indiana. As a lawyer personally state that have little respect for him and his legal mind. And I would encourage the sheriff to explore the possibility seek true legal opinion on the constitutionality of the agreement and what you're forced to do because I believe there is some leeway there in spite of all that, to also encourage you to allow maybe the community to get more involved with improving the wraparound services or conditions under which the detainees are held and until and if we possibly get opinion or the contract is canceled or
what have you? I never I haven't been there personally. So I can testify that there due process rights are being violated. I just heard heard the the story's and that and the rhetoric what has been going on. So to the extent we can improve that by allowing people in or GOD forbid, if people are being woken up at 3 o'clock for breakfast, that doesn't sound reasonable to me. If that is happening, I would suggest that change. And finally, to the extent we can and I know you are pardon the pun, your arms, your hands of someone handcuffed here. But to the extent we can push the state to pay its bills. I mean, this is indicative of the oppression that the state puts on Marion County. That was when we've got putting us
in a corner and then not even paying their due bills. So to the extent, we push that envelope, I would encourage you to do that as well. I know you're trying. It to the extent we can help do that, we're here to help in that regard. Thank you, sir, for Constables Council Perkins. Thank you, MR. But just a statement to wrap this up for me, sheriff a year and 9 months ago when I was sworn into office, he extended an invitation for my colleagues and I to comment or the Justice Center. And when we showed up there, in addition to the Tor your team shared with us, the current salary deficit that your staff was Vincent and the need for
additional funding we made a commitment. I made a commitment that I didn't all I could to support that. And I think the budget last year and even this year reflects that. You invited us to meet in and we showed up. Interesting that a year and 9 months later the community is to meet in refused to show up. Let me name the elephant in the room. That your term limited out. And so you're not up for re-election. It would be very different if you're up for reelection next. Our community still deserves for you to listen to them. And so as I supported last year to ensure or that the budget that we saw last year. The budget proposal that we're seeing this year. And value the work of the sheriff's department. I cannot good conscience support you to see. And it's not a reflection
of how I feel about the hardworking men and women that working Sheriff Department. It is a reflection, a few poor leadership. And your decision making contrary to what the community is requiring a few. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, think that. Justin Lehmann. Thank you, MR. Chair. My comments are going to follow similar counselor boots and that. I think we've identified a legal issue here and something that council McCormick also. Brought up and that we. A community that believes that we don't need to hold them. And you've got a letter here from our attorney general that says that you do. It's.
Multiple pages a lot rhetoric on call it. There is some rotation of Indiana code in line there. It's not all just chitchat in this letter, but I I would like to see some some further legal analysis and challenging the law on behalf of our community values that we believe in. If it comes down to it that we do need to hold these detainees, we need to be the best facility in the country for these detainees. We need to provide them with the services that they need. The language interpretation. I mean, I don't know how far you can go and I'm not I you know, I don't I'm employee of yours, but whatever we can do to make. They're saying the Marion County Jail. The best in the state, if not the best in the country to provide them
what they need to to get home. I think that that's that's what we can do for them because I fear that they're not here, they will be detained in another county. And so if they're going to have to be here in our brand-new jail and in Marion County, then let's make it the best place that they can. You know, we've got service providers that are here. And I think that there are ways that we can make this the best. But let's start with. Let's challenge general. He's he's mired in lots of legal lawsuits. And and and let's let's look at that further. So thank you. For your county council grace. Thanks, MISTER Chair good seeing you, Sheriff car to see you guys missing last weekend. Who are joint out in the community? They don't know because I saw you on the community. But sheriff,
I do have some questions can you? Can you help me get better picture of what's happening with the ice detainees. Is is there anyone on site given that advocating any I know? Employee at Marion County Public Defender Agency. There was always someone that we're going to talk to those that were arrested and give them additional level of of of advocacy giving them the understanding of where they stand with their right and what's going to happen. Is there anyone speaking to these individuals advocate role? Attorney probably an attorney. I do know that ice addresses them when they come sheriff what I'm understanding and I really wish you were just kind of paint us a
picture of what's happening in there because what I'm understanding is that that lack of 2, it says actually being by game because they are. In custody, they're not having access to documentation. Language barriers are not being addressed. In fact, if there's a language barrier, my understanding is that solitary confinement, which my understanding the shipment is greater than the traditional to another human being in custody. What I'm understanding is that. We are treating these individuals in the possible way. It you tell that that's not happening there? Being than what getting. Tension we're getting in the community. That's correct. They are being treated better the statements, whoever put out those
statements, it's false. We give them separate housing so that it's all similar when you're talking about the lights coming on. Nobody's leaving on the lights to any type of torture to make them any more uncomfortable. If they're fed early in the morning, some people have to leave or have to have court appearances. So we assure that they're there and fed before they leave for that day. So those are the kind of steps that would have you look at it one way, you will come up to really defeat them. But if you didn't them, they would be leaving or going to a court hearing and not been able that Thank MISTER Chair. If I can, the 1881 f to ease in the 2026 character. One represents increase of 55. That to ease. Is that any in any way
attributed to this now, one or of of taking out of our community by force and now in custody in your facility. The decision have that increase was not based upon them, but it does include them and also includes the 200 that the state leaves behind does not taken, does not pay us for. So would you say that there's additional burden on our here in Marion County? Being detained. I'm here on behalf of the residents and the voters and the taxpayers in Marion County they spoken tonight. To me, this book to my colleagues. And they don't want facilities humans as political bullying and intimidation. I want to make sure that that is the official answer that at least council
Thank you. Thank you. Final comments councils. Final comments from MR. Sure. You have a final comment. Appreciate everyone's time this evening. I know it's a difficult position that trying it's dividing the country, but I believe the law is being followed in why it's directed in Indiana. Use an example Illinois. It's totally different. The governor over there is still the sheriffs not cooperating from what I understand with one exception, with one exception. They followed the law. From what understand, the mayor Chicago, he's signed on to not work with ice when they if and when they come to the city, those are decisions can be made. And that's not upon sheriff to make those decisions. Thank you, Appreciate your
presentation and plays and gentlemen, the early in Planning Council Visitation will be continued to next week. So Mr? Kasparov got one item of I'd like to discuss. Thank Appreciate you. This car would be present as well. Thank you. Cause a heart. Thank MISTER Chair. So I just brought an e-mail that was since MAY shortly after our meeting last week where I just describing folks that are reaching out to me giving me ideas and this was another one that came across my desk. Want to share with as a committee on public has a heart. Folks getting. Yeah. Thank you, MISTER Chair Goss r. Yeah. So I just want to share this e-mail and the background of the individual that was asking to come to speak in front of
us pose a question to the committee. But essentially, as you can see, document in front of you. I received an e-mail from a community leader on the East side by the name of James Taylor. He's the director of student services over at the Morehead Community Service for Warren Central schools. Phenomenal individual. And we've had conversations in the past he reminded me last week on AUGUST 29th that he's struggling in his role with truancy and the courts. And seeing that we oversee the court's very summer like evening. I see that the sheriff's office he asked if he could come and speak to our committee about the things that he is experiencing as his role as it pertains to truancy and how it pertains is
connected to juvenile crime. I think it'll be a phenomenal opportunity for us as a committee to hear from MR. Taylor, he's a very experienced individual with a ton of education, highly respect in the community. And I would like to take any questions, but certainly moved to add MR. Taylor to the OCTOBER 22nd meeting. You can hear what he has to say about the correlation between truancy and juvenile crime in Marion County. Also heart. You had a e-mail with this request. Our response is the chair I said he was not allowed to come to the committee. I get 7 to 10 emails a week asking for individuals. The committee come speak to us about the right of topics. So often I get e-mails from individuals asking me to come speak about of our times on our agenda, offer agenda and up to not always most requested in
chair. So you're requests is no different than any other requests. I get communities want to come speak to the committee about. Topics they deem important. And I don't set that precedent. Start doing that. Now. And I sent you an e-mail response to that. I don't want that. Don't come me to speak. I'm not quite sure that that emotion that he could mysterious. I'm not sure I heard the motion itself. There was a motion was seconded to have a gentleman come speak before a committee get on the agenda. Can ask for next for most to do that. Yes. So as the chair, I can't determined that request. Got. Is because all the time. It would. Yeah, we would have voted on okay on the floor. So sitting in. So so there's been
a most of the floor to have a gentleman come before the committee to speak because so hard recommend it again via email. He sent me the request, denied the request on the floor. Now he's been the most of the floor, too. I guess over rule. My. Request going to come to the committee again. Committee members get requests all the time. Individuals want to come for Comey to speak to us about right of topics. And I've been the chair for a few years now. And did not always request because it did. I want focus on permanent Council city business and individuals come to speak on certain agenda items that they want to get before the committee. So that's been my PRESIDENT The committee members to stick with count survey. Thank you, MR. Like you said there about information to the duties of the city County Council. I
think overseeing the courts. It is a very important duty that we have. So I would just request that vote be a roll call. Vote. Because of a big it will. Do the roll call vote at your request. Begin the emails I get from individually in the community. You can imagine I get from people, individuals like this very will step is to move from MR. Hart recommended these people are professionals, doctors lawyers will come speak to the committee about a topic they deem important. And I would say the 4 majority are very relevant. They're not like they're off to the off topic. But again, I don't open that door that floodgate of individuals who think that this is the time to speak to us about a topic that they are, that they are feeling the point to them. So committee members to reject the motion counselor thank you, Mr,
CHAIRMAN. And and you know, I I can't imagine how many requests that that any CHAIRMAN Or CHAIRWOMAN Of the committee receives or in calendar year, particularly and public safety and criminal Justice Committee. I want a lot would I would spank you. I would certainly assume that that would be the case. I understand individuals go to the chair and request time in the committee that that oftentimes that probably can't be granted. But when a counselor of the committee has an agenda, but MR. CHAIRMAN, this is my time. This might be your committee. But this is my time. I'd like to finish it without being interrupted. I've interrupted you one time. I don't think this year. I'd appreciate if I could finish my thought. But I just want to make the point that if the
counselor. Brings a person to you and I'm not even necessarily specifically referencing this gentleman because I just got on my desk this evening. I don't anything about it other than what council Hart said moments ago. I would just hope in the future greater deference is given to district counselors. If they offer you somebody to bring to a committee, then a counselor requesting somebody would have a greater a consideration from the chair than maybe just a random person who ends up in your inbox. That simply all I'm requesting in the future. Thank officer and a few comments, council boots. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, I share the concern over 2 and what the court is doing. I disagree, though, with the option of anybody that has a cause can just come before our
committee. I would like to see more information on this and maybe the statement by him, maybe some evidence of the true extent of the problem. What are other counties doing? What are we doing? And if it in my opinion, is such a our system is so inefficient that warrants a further discussion co-sponsor such a motion. Thank you, counselor counselor, a lady. MR. I interested in what he has to say, Counselor heart, but I will be voting against having him come. Speaker committee. We just recently this year past our ordinance to limit or rules to limit proclamations at the beginning of meetings because it started to get out of hand with so many things going on. And I fear that with, however, 15 members of
our committee, if we would never get through meetings each one of us any time we had a group come to us, wanted to present something as the parliamentarian of another organization. I firmly believe that we should. You should bring something to us in the form like an ordinance. What you've done a few times in the last month and have him come speak on the ordinance is to why it's important to change the laws as opposed to just coming in talking on policy. I think personally, that would be the more important, better way for Matt to come to us. All right. Happy to meet with him behind the scenes. I do want to learn more like the end said. I think I also want to hear from the prosecutor in the courts on this issue. So thank you for bringing it to our attention. Thank you. Council Council McCormick.
Thank you. MISTER CHAIRMAN. Sort of echo my left and my right here. With kids that are in school in with I understand what you're in. Thinking that's it on the education committee as well. And so I'm thinking there's some conversations that can happen before we would come to The public meeting. The superintendent's meet my monthly. And so I think hearing what all of the superintendents have to say, right? Getting that group consensus, getting some more information because I think there is little. I think I can see that there can be correlation and infirm and white in these and what would be the best route forward. And I think there's more information. Good information here. Partially not during budget but then also I think there's some background work that we can do. So here for the conversation a little bit,
when we have more. Some Council Perkins, thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, 2 things. One, I echo exactly what said. I share with my colleague earlier before the that we've made space and Education Committee for the superintendents from across all of the the school districts to come in and share with us. And there was, you know, we have 40 that opportunity. Think that's a good space for it. Instead of coming to this committee and off with a question. Second. Has been a motion to call for the question. So what do vote? And then we can do the roll call vote of accounts of hearts. Second. This cartoon do roll call. Vote of the call. The questions second it. Absolutely. Because Robinson. Yes to this. Again, this is yes to call the question. Yes, cause Robson. Yes, thank Scary. Gracias. Want to make a
comment, but can't Counsel Mary. Tessa Boots Coots. Yes. Couric. Yes. Cause I do nt. Yes. Council Perkins Perkins, yes, cars are cancer, no. And cancer. Sorry. Want I meant to say no. So please for now, thank you that. Thank you. MISS Clerk. The vote to count to call the question's been has been approved support it would covert, a close vote clerk when you're ready on the motion to it is going to our calendar and few weeks the most was properly seconded and councilmen. Request another roll call vote so you could stop the roof of roll call. Vote on that one as well. Thank you. Because Robinson, no. Because of a scary. Mass.
Kerry, nobody on it right JANUARY Council. Grace grades know. Cuts of Covina. Currently. No, no. Council. Mary. This Yes, we're thank you. Constitutes. Legitimately question. Good issue. We need to look at it, but no for now. Council McCormick. Mccormick know at this time. Kessler Delaney, no. Councilor Perkins broken Snow. Cancer councilor since he several months without a public safety committee meeting this summer. Yes. And cancer heart. Thank you. As clerk the most fields, we are adjourned. Have a good night.