clerk, you're start. You're Really? Really Good evening. Everyone is 05:30pm, on Wednesday MARCH to 12 2025. When the public a similar rule of the city County building. Welcome to the Public Safety Committee. Committee of the City County Council. We will start to me to note that reductions that are first rule is council. Rene, thank you very much, MR. CHAIRMAN Pollen, a district. 22 thank you. Council. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Carlos Perkins District 6. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Free and Illini District 2, thank you. CHAIRMAN Jessica McCormick District 16. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, then Boost district 3 washed in Lawrence townships and tough row. Please. Good evening, CHAIRMAN Robinson Councilor Chris Tucker, Leno District 11 West side. Good evening, MR. CHAIRMAN Frank Miscarry district 19 southeast side figure causes this We where Robinson chair of the committee represent District one first proposal. Number 98
2025 points credit Peterson to orders Board of piece. Restart to me last week she had death in the family. Had to leave in, go down to Texas with consent like to postpone propose an idea to annex meeting. Please. Thank you. Counselors. Up next pose a number. 99 2025 points. Darrell Brooks to general board MR. Brooks, come forward, please. And in our packet, is he here today? It MR. Brooks is about 5 minutes out. Okay. Goes. We will put that to the bottom of the agenda. The council. Posen a 58 2025 direct the City County Council to accept for the record. Report submitted by the community, Pure Fairbanks behavior. He'll go as a cry. But I see 12 deaths, 29 dash, 2 dash 16, MR. Her presenting come forward. Please. And there will be no vote taking on this one except this record
for the record. Alright, sir. We'll all actually plan to go first to introduce the community mental health centers. Would that be acceptable? Absolutely dominant. Thank you always well. Thank you, sir. Good to see You're going to 58 59. Because your own 15 year-old 59. Yeah, I will provide brief introduction for all of the community, mental health centers and then I will submit the Sanders County Mental Health Center report. Then each of the other senators will also present their report. Absolutely. Thank you, DR. Okay. You think record, please, Ashley, Overly thank you. Thank you, right. So we appreciate the opportunity to speak with you all today. So often present to this group in to collectively overview of the combined work of the community, mental health centers. This year. We've been asked to individually give overviews of are required
annual reports that we provide to the City County Council and to the Division of Mental Health and addiction. So today you should have copies of each of our individual reports. I will share for you a brief orientation to the report itself and then highlight just a few of the data points for Sander Eskenazi Mental Health Center specifically. So each of us will share some of the highlights from our report. But most importantly, we want to make sure that we give you time to ask questions that you MAY have. So I will ask if it's ok if we could hold questions. He'll each of us has presented and then we would definitely like to take any questions that you might have over the report are. You're correct. Thank you, ok, thank you. I do want to point out that you might notice a few differences in some of the
data points between the reports there was a new Templet that was introduced last year. And that adds some new data point. A few of us were able to go ahead and build some of the dashboards and reports to go ahead and accommodate those new data requests. So you might noticed that's what accounts for some of those differences next year. We will all be using the same template for the report. So essentially the goal of these reports is to provide both clinical and operational overview of our services to help you understand the scope of our work. So you'll see number served, diagnoses kinds of services provided referral sources, payer mix and
community partnerships I'll turn to the sand are asking as the mental health center report. So and a few notable highlights from our report. Our the overall number of patients that we serve that resided in the county last year 14,650. So that's unique individuals. Our top referral source was self. So by and large, most people are seeking independently of that on their not referred from other agencies. Our top pair source is Medicaid and hit this accounts for us over 70% of our pair source. So those are truly important programs that increase access to our services. You'll note that we mostly serve adults but over
2000 of our patients, our children last year we provided 3.6 million dollars of charity care and participated in 75 outreach event, outreach events include a wide range of kinds of activities from things like health fairs, educational media invited presentations and other educational forums. And I do want to highlight that engagement with the community is a really critical part of our work. And so these are by and large, not simply events that we showed up at one time, but really represent ongoing relationships collaboration with organizations working to benefit the community. So the package also includes the top
diagnoses that we serve on the top addictive substances that we see. And then new services and partnerships in the county. And so specifically, I would like to highlight for Sander Eskenazi Mental Health Center that we were selected as one of 8 community mental health centers across the state to help pilot the state's Medicaid program of the certified Community Behavioral Health Clinic where Ccbc so. We I also want to note adult and child also participating in this in that community and who are all represented here today have been supporting this program through grants. So we feel very honored to help pilot this program alongside our colleagues. And we believe that it represents a real step
forward and access to quality for mental health services in Indiana. Additionally considers can as even a health center in the past year we relocated or opioid treatment program from downtown on Meridian Street to that when Air neighborhood, which is the zip code with the highest number of opioid overdose deaths in the county. This move allowed us to update our facility and gives us the opportunity to expand the number of people that it's served. So we also opened a new clinic on the east side took as the health Thomas and Arlene Grande campus on East 38th Street, which is our largest outpatient facility that includes a primary care space for our Health center in cc Beach Sea and as well on the health department and
other community collaboration, space. We've also partnered with the Marion County Sheriff's Office on a grant that will help fund the review of current workflows in order to improve post incarceration referral to mental health services. And then finally, I'm proud to note that the John Cathy Ackermann, Mental Health Professional Development Center, which is our Workforce Development Initiative was honored recently by the I b j's Excellence in Healthcare, a bank in the mental health advocacy category. So we are proud that distinction and pleased to be able to help develop mental health workforce in order to provide the services that are needed in our community. So thank you
very much for your attention. I will now turn this over to George Heard for Community Fairbanks, Behavioral Health. Thank you. Thank you. Doctor Lee. Good evening. George Heard the vice PRESIDENT Behavioral health Community Health Network. I will turn you to the community, Fairbanks, Behavioral Health report. I appreciate DR. Overly's overview. I will go ahead and present some very similar data. If you were to turn to page one of our report, you'll see within 2024 year we provided 14,144 patients service. Within that we did much like them capture who was our largest referral source or largest referral source. Was either that client themselves or family or guardian referrals over. 7400 referrals from there. The
second largest was a hospital where a physician and 3rd, what is law enforcement themselves? If you look at the payer sources on Page 2, you'll see that our largest payers worse was Medicaid. 58% commercial was 19 and a half percent. Medicare was 17.1% and self pay was 5.3% If we look at the 14,114 individuals that we served, you will see that we had a split about two-thirds of those individuals were adults and another 3rd were youth with a little over 4,200 children that we served during that time frame. On Page 2, you'll also see our charity care. We had charity care of a little
over 17 close to 17 and a half million dollars. Our charity care tends to be very large because we operate a very large acute care hospital. And oftentimes those charges can be rather big and we have a lot of charity care attached to or acute care operations. If you look at community outreach activities we engaged in over 47 and not all those are singular event. Some of these are committees that were on. So we engaged in over. 47 different either. Single engagement, ongoing committees throughout the county. If we look at the if you turn to Page 5, you will see the top substances that we tracked.
And for us, we identified that 35.5% of people. It was stimulants. 25.8% were related to alcohol. 22.6% related to opioids. If you turn to Page 8, you will see the mental health diagnosis information our largest diagnosed classification was depressive disorders. At 36.2% anxiety disorders at 11.2 and schizophrenia 10.7% And then we have information. On Page 4 around. We we collect information about consumer engagement and satisfaction. It's a measure for us. We know that if consumers are patients are well engaged, then we have stronger likelihood related to improvement in care in what we
do is a a a tool called fit feedback to inform treatment. And in that we had engagement score of us. It wasn't 10 point like heard score. So we track anybody who scores and 9 or above. On that 95.3% said they felt cared for and heard and respected during our engagements. 93.8% said that we were working on the right things and 92%. Roughly 91 point and a half said worked on what they wanted to change in their life. So we feel like those are very strong scores and it ties we are satisfying the needs of our consumers and how they felt. And I will I collected there some other data throughout the pages. If we just look at our overall encounters. So that's actual contacts. And that doesn't include every contact because
we run. We don't count contacts for acute care or youth residential or shelters, things like that. But if we just look at that, we have a little over 300,000 encounters with patients with in Marion County across those 14,000 individuals. You can see who they were provided by whether it was a licensed clinician or a physician close to 5,000 crisis assessments that we did a little over 11,000 assessments in our emergency rooms for individuals experiencing behavioral health or mental health crisis. Also items to that we didn't include in there is we do run
shelter. We served over 200 youths who had been immediately removed from their homes due to abuse and neglect provided over 1800 days of shelter care for those children. And then also we are a fairly large school based provider. One 76 schools around Marion County. We have been serving the Indianapolis public schools for 27 year for 28 years. Lawrence Township, schools and Warren for 27 years. And over this past year, we've really grown what we called peer supports in our emergency rooms. These are individuals who have had experiences, whether it was mental health or addictions that are in recovery and they are really great engaging with individuals to help them seat the next standard of care that
we need to do. As part of that. Last year served 1238 individuals in the emergency room that agreed meet with us. And we had a 99% engagement rate with those individuals. Most of the times. What that looks like is the who can relate to them, talking to them about their experience in helping encourage them seek the next level of care. And sometimes that can go as far as then after the release from the emergency room, driving them to the next location care, whether that's a treatment center or a shelter or something like that. And then following up with them the next day to make sure any questions they have are answered or that the that encounter that they had with the next stop was what they expected. So that's a little bit about our services I will
turn it over now to. Anthony from Aspire. Thank you, sir, for your presentation. Good evening. CHAIRMAN Robinson and committee members. It's a real pleasure to be with you this evening. As you can tell, I'm not from Indiana. Move to the state just about 16 months ago. And I would use my time presenting to this group. I'm grateful for the opportunity and even grateful to represent aspiring young, the health of the full, commitment to health center serving in this county. Sparkle 3 of the counties but all represent some of the data. Service and programs here in Indianapolis this evening. So like of the colleagues all pick out some highlights when roughly 2 particular pages in the reports. But I'll draw your
attention some of the numbers that are consistent with my colleagues presentation this evening. And that starts some of its about 5,005 1001. And 31 residents of Marion County. I thought we served about and a half 1000 people with mental health problems and just under 1000 with addiction, treatment and recovery needs as well as not. Self referral will keep people coming to find their own all top referral. So says included Child Protection services. And of course, our colleagues in part in Marin County courts and probation services, 2. Colleagues, committee pay a mix is not dissimilar to all community mental health center. Paul, is
we have a majority of that funds that come Medicaid and hit in terms of age demographics. You'll be interested know the majority of people we serve our idols so 4 and a half 1000 people, police not catch agree under the 500 so full into use and we provide it just over 5 billion dollars of chart cat last year. You know, colleagues cent is like a spy, really part of the community. And so we've spent a lot of time through 7, 2 engagement staking Poss noting and next are our own activities. But the community activities that we get invited to to support and expert advice. When of the programs to those community events this year, we have
strengthened partnerships with the Marin County Drug Court with the county veteran schools and a Pathways resource Center. In terms of just concluding before highlighting just 2 or 3 areas. I want you to a lights on for the committee have interest in terms of things. We particularly. Happy with this year before we go that off all top addiction substances are all Cole nicotine opioids kind of this. And that's something me. In terms of mental health diagnosis, all use experience takes anxiety, depression, tremendous, Otis and conduct disorders in adults. The top diagnoses that you might imagine, depression anxiety, trauma disorder, schizophrenia and bipolar mood disorder. So that completes my presentation in the data piece of it. But just if I MAY, Robinson highlight 3 areas of on the ship with the Marion County community that we all
delighted with we hope. You'll be pleased with important leaders in the community festival. Mobile clinic Macy, we cool it Macy and I wish in this moment I could remember what documents instill but it's to do with mobile access to clinical cat. I do not. Mobile unit got 40 2 foot mobile units. We have what I think is an exemplary treatment the kind of examination room you would find if you went into a primary care practice and within not, we all stopped by, but don't rule nurse practitioner and and then we have a drive. A cold. Mike and Mike is a post in recovery who was living on the streets in Indianapolis, thus illustrating commitment to providing pathways to employment for those recovery who have suffered the
indignity for a long time of addiction in not mobile clinic. We just over 1000 time as you might imagine, many of those encounters with people experiencing addiction and mental health problems full. So those problems are often accompanied by physical health problems, too. My goodness. We've been identified 2 pregnancies on the mobile clinic and some of you looking shopper. Let Michelle Cottle for the one of them was twins. It's good service it's the Littrell. A pizza. Me of taking to service to wet people. All and I want to say thank you because this is a trip on the ship with Marin County. I we really appreciate the opportunity to serve and not wait. A second highlight had to 3 CHAIRMAN Repsonded like to refer to is a sine
taxes initiative. Again, I was shocked remember the page in pool, but you'll see a graph that plummets not gruff. It thank can so I appreciate your prompt that I wish knew the pages as well as you did. But Grafton says shows real drop in average waiting times. People can effectively come into the spy clinic. Will Brooke undersea treatments in a suspect in the same I'm not snow smoke and mirror as they get that second appointment within 10 days. That's remarkable. Shift is all commitments. But it's the right thing to do for the community. Improved access is a keen party for all of my colleagues across the community. Mental says this system and we'll continue to focus on The 3rd and final pilot I'd like to bring to your is I work with the homeless. I understand I
haven't been present, but this is appropriate and longstanding concern that we play out prop up, halt in supporting homeless populations and in the city today as far as operating that went a contingency, that is, as you know, the shell to which receives people wet. No, the shelter is able to take them. We have a an open area shelter approach today. We have. Well north of 100 people living on the Opry tonight, we have about 130 people and then made often of number of families. Today happens to be 29. 30 families represents the 100 say people. It hasn't just the shelter and warmth and clothing and food We will so make sure 100% of the people get case 100% of the people get housing navigation. Those people need can access on mobile clinic can get medications they need. Tell
result illnesses. Those people in mental health crisis could be seen by up on mobile crisis. Team. And I can tell you that we've had and we're grateful for this. We feel blessed by this. The opportunity to host In transition permanent housing. 10 families are rising at the shelter. The shelter closed it just a couple of weeks. Time that we look forward to be to begin operate to of the housing hope when situated on Shelby in future CHAIRMAN, thank you for the chance to speak to evening. Thanks so to see you. I think a minute talk to my colleagues at Good evening. I'm Jennifer does bro. The vice PRESIDENT Of community health and social
services and adult child. I am not able to follow such a great presentation. Supporting twins, but I will do my behest and other areas. That's a great story. So I'm here from adult and child health. Adult child has just celebrated our 75 years of service and Marion County. Personally just celebrated 24 years, an adult and child. And it's a great organization to work with. Recently also became one of the 8 designated agencies in the state of Indiana as a certified ccb hc. So very proud to see what becomes of us. And this next year, we are also in fq hc look alike else. Epa, its ally scenes licensing play, seen child placing agency. So we do a lot of work
and child welfare and foster care. It's my pleasure to present tonight to this committee and the data for fiscal year 2024, this is I'm gonna highlight. Similarly to others, the impact we've had on Marion County. Our patient count unique patients is 8,788 of those. Those came through our primary care community health center addictions, workforce services and grants. Account for adults and treatment as 2000, 495 and our use and mental health treatment as 2,439. So it's very close as much as we serve adults as youth in our agency. Our top referral source our education. Our school systems at 38%, adult and child is and 55 schools across Marion
County, including ips, charter schools, Perry Township in Franklin Township. Our second highest referral does come from partnerships with courts and criminal justice. Top pair similarly and most community mental health center is Medicaid and that 74% total between Medicaid and hip. We serve a higher percentage of adults, 18 ages 18 to 44 but close second is youth 35%. So school age. Our charity care was approximately 6 million a little bit higher. Our outreach equally. I sat on personally said on many committees and community partnerships. I think we really utilize those partnerships in the community to be able to partner and Understand the community needs
of that. Surround us. We have 11 formal activities and then participating and 51 community meetings across Marion County. We sponsor attended 9 total events. Something that I'm proud of. And I personally was part of starting at adult and child is a partnership and Wheeler, Women and children's shelter. We have been vetted services trying to be as much of a community partners possible really taking the work to where we see high needs. So we are providing therapy and peer support services with Dan Wheeler, Women's and children's shelter, serving both the women and the children and that in that area. We also are. We serve a lot in terms of homeless services but also supported housing. So once you move from homeless services into supported housing, you
need supports while you're in that housing so that you don't return to homelessness. So our goal is to be partnered in several supported housing projects, one that we launched recently as a 55 unit partnership that Hannah comments. We provide the support services. We are not the landlord, but we provide all the services to help individuals remain housed. Another partnership for transition age youth was Saint Lucas laughs. Englewood Partnership. So we are a service provider within that. A lot of that comes from grant funding to be able to stay in and be that support provider. Other areas to highlight is part of being the Interdisciplinary Defense
Project idea. The Grant extensions and partnership with Perry Township schools. And a veteran court has mentioned before. So we really take a great opportunity to partner where we can. The top 5 addiction substances in order start from alcohol to cannabis to stimulants to opioids and then to nicotine. Our top 5 mental health diagnoses, depression, depressive disorders, substance related disorders, schizophrenia spectrum, bipolar, and then anxiety. Something that I think is that great to highlight for our organization is part of Assisi. Bhc. Our goal has to our goal has been to really respond to a crisis in crisis needs in the community. Anc receive some grant funding and we were able to launch our
crisis. Stabilization unit, which is a living room model, very heavy in peer support services. So we have a lot of Piers Piers working in leadership roles within that. So we launched in APRIL. So it's almost a year we all sat or your birthday and we are soon moving to a 24 hour model. That is our 83 20 location on Madison Avenue. So south side of Indianapolis and it's been a a great success. Really seen a lot ability to divert and diversion from emergency and partnership with local police. Another referral sources. And see also was part of the point in time count and which happens every year. We had 6 staff attend and we were at pit count leader we partner and profession, professional blended street outreach with
partners like Horizon House and other homeless providers. So we start from the outreach component of homelessness and help support through into the housing and then after housed so we really take pride and the ability to do all all of those services within the population. Thank you so much. Only that it for other presentations. Thanks so much. We do have the packets in our voters hear any comments or questions on it because some councils council scary. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, I guess my my question is a general question. First of all, thank you very much for what you Hana Commons is in my district. Full and there are no vacancies whatsoever. My concern is the funding from
the state and federal any of the feeling like that's going away. I know the drums were beating their about cutting Medicare and things. Have have you heard anything? Anyone resume, think. Any one individual probably thank you for asking that question. Certainly. I think and I will certainly any of the other partner speak to this. But I think we're all keenly and acutely concerned about funding. I have said for a long time years that there is not real true mental health payment even though at the federal level they passed on 2 separate occasions. Major laws trying to actually establish parity between medical care and behavioral health care in terms of payment. It's never happened in a lot of different ways. There are just so many
ways in which they can find ways not to pay. And so you have that. And now you do have concerns whether be at the state level or at the federal because a number of our consumers are related to government payments, whether it's Medicaid or Medicare. And should those be curtailed, then they shift to self pay. I would expect at that point you would see our charity care numbers increase from where they are today. And so from that standpoint, that that is always a concern, whether it be federal or state. Layered top of the fact that most of us are having difficulties covering our Costas. We care we deliver. Thank you. I kind
of figured that in going into some scary times right now. And I prayed that to all. Good. Thank you. And so greatly I again, on behalf of her. We appreciate the in the way we do collaborate with in this county and the support we receive. So anything advocacy is most important thing. So if there is opportunities too advocate for mental health and addictions certainly do so on our behalf. If you feel you need one of us there to help. I am positive any of us would volunteer to come and be a system. Thank you, Sir. Council We go. You want to speak several years and that is not did. Cook sure. Apologies,
Gemini. 22 of the point, I may on to the question that was we are truly grateful that you asked that question. I would echo my colleague George George's concerns and just emphasize 2 additional points is a relative newcomer. And the first is to stress the achievements of my colleagues, this group of honorable people have achieved so much in the state of Indiana and I and in some respects what we feel most concerned about is that we have collectively at the coast of a reformation in someplace off access to be able to health care. I mean, look at these numbers around, same to access. Look at the impact of the crisis system, which saves money. Not just in the emergency room, but in the prisons and jails to. Look at the impact of group homes where we can provide good accommodation for people to
support independence and prevents and having to go institutions. These all important changes with which we have and just consent. I think we will share. It's not only what we chargeable cat, but we if we if we see people disenrolled all Medicaid, challenge, then we will see more people in emergency rooms. Thank just a moose. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN and thank you, really for bringing group before us again. Just to confirm all the statistics in these reports are Marion County residents only. I'm in the past. I've seen a map showing of the county is divided. Between your various groups. Can you make sure we? Get that? We can provide that. Should we send that to Yolanda mine and I for clarity around what that map represents as
well. Think you're referring to a slide that we've showed that shown sort of general areas that are locations are in the past there historically has been actually much more formal catchment areas. Word. There is a requirement of it sometimes or even formal. Efforts to only serve people in those areas. We do serve people across the county no matter where they live. But that map shows sort of generally where we're located and I can send that to Yolanda. So be great in final question. It's often said that Marion County Sheriff is the number one provider of mental health services in our county. Is that still accurate in your opinion, it would be accurate to say that there is a large number of people with mental health needs in the custody of
the Marion County Sheriff. I would not agree that the sheriffs that jail provides the same level of care that is provided in a community mental health center. And so there's a definitely a big disparity between the kind of service and quality of service available in those different settings. How are those services rendered at the jail? Well, they have a few differences sort a lower level of staffing, less specialized programming and of course, less longitudinal programming. So people are there for but shorter amount of time in in Iran and now and so there isn't a longitudinal care that's really important me for chronic diseases. I think the
jail also on struggles manage civil commitments. So when there are individuals who need committed care, then that is not always something that's easy to do through the jail. And there are those providers county employees. Are they contractors of organizations, the jail currently contracts to a 3rd party Caldwell path to provide their health care services. So so subcontractors, the jail. Is that correct? Thank you. Thank Thank this becomes a questions, we go into these presentations. In this clip council does need to just the report, right? No vote, correct. That's great. Thank you all. Thank you all so for your presentation. Up next, we're going to is a proposal.
99 2025 appointed Darrell Brooks. The general orders board MR. Bush will come forward. Please. MR. Brooks, welcome. It was this position that, you know, board is something near and dear to our We had This roll in from the few years ago. So we ask you come before us as a volunteer. So thank you for your time. Your and just speak briefly. We have your resident. What what would you like to be put into this position? Please. It's it's actually something that's near and dear to my heart. So thank you council for haven't me here to speak on this CHAIRMAN Robinson. I want Highlight that advocacy work collaboration. Are part
of my makeup. Our church participates in cultivating communities where which is a collaborative efforts with with about 7 or 8 different churches in this city led by Englewood in some of our training was through lisc. We also part of Black Church coalition. Le Clergy for Black Church Coalition pastor Church here in this city and I have a stroke. Work in public school. Pike Township and Soul. I have a passion for. Connecting community with some of our city leaders, especially law enforcement. Just last week we had some state troopers come to our school to meet with some of our young men of
purpose to talk to them. So it's important that continue to work on that relationship. There. And so this is really something that's really a passion of mine. Thank you, MR. Groups coming quest for individual requests be a point to this board accounts are coming Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN and thank you, MR. Brooks for your willingness to step up and serve in this role when when this board was expanded, we talked about putting the public back in public safety and so I know the work that you do. We'll we'll keep that mission close to heart given given how entrenched you are in the community. So thank you again for your willingness to serve on this board. And please don't hesitate to let us know how we can support
Pleasure. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, thank you. Austin comes to Perkins. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN morph a statement. Then question for Pasta. Brooks, thank you for your willingness to serve. I've had the honor privilege of working past the books over the last 4 or 5 years, both as a principal in Pike Township is it serves as the dean of students about one of 4 middle schools, but also as a part offer community group mobilize and encouraging community to have active voice. I know the work that past book as it's been doing. This continues to do. I know his commitment to know his willingness to stand in the gap and lead. And so I am happy to support you in this new volunteer role. As your been tapped on across the city to lead in different eras. Thank you for your willingness to serve and you have my full support in this role. Thank you, Dr Perkins, appreciate because the purpose
cows graze. Thank CHAIRMAN And good evening there. Best Brooks. I just want say I was super excited when I saw your name on point. List. I was excited because I've seen some of the work you've done. And and you and I've been shoulder to shoulder out in the community. And I just appreciate you going to this next level been mentioned it's something that is near and dear to our heart is General Motors board. So we're excited to have you there. Thank you for give me even more of your time to our community projects. You can wait support. Thank you. Thank you. To district counselors, anyone, anyone is crispy propose a number. 99, MR. Brooks. Signature, emotions. Probably moved and Do roll. Call, vote. Ms a clerk, please. Council on Councilor boots. Councilor Carlina Carlina o I. Councilor
Delaney. Counselor to Lady councilor Graves, Graves. I. COUNCILMAN Scary mask Councilor McCormick McCormick High Councilor the council Perkins Perkins, I Council Robinson Robinson. And the vote carries 10 to 0 MR. Brooks, the for to see you at the full council a few weeks you want make a special request of the fbi at it as a co-sponsor. Sure. Council Thank you. So thank you, sir, for your time. The last of them are just opposed number. 25 2025 approves them as a point of hill as the deputy mayor public health and safety ms seal. Because do have a
presentation is a hard copy. So should be with us. We can follow along the West questions. At the conclusion of representation is he'll welcome. Know, my book technology, health Excuse Just skews me. Right away. All right. Good evening, everyone. Excuse me to CHAIRMAN Robinson is members of the council and residents of Indianapolis. A stand before you today. Deeply honored again to be considered. For the role of Deputy Mayor public health and safety. I extend my heartfelt gratitude again to Mayor Hogsett for entrusting me with this opportunity into the council for your time and thoughtful consideration. As a lifelong resident of Indianapolis and a dedicated public servant. I've committed to fostering safer, healthier neighborhoods through
strategic collaboration. And proactive Initiatives. Tonight, I will outlined my vision has requested for this role and the priorities that will guide my work in 2025. And beyond. My professional background has uniquely prepared me to lead in this capacity. As a consultant with various foundations nationally, I managed. I manage comprehensive grant processes that support aggressor organizations, ensuring they had the resources to sustain impactful community based programs. Before that, I served as a strategist with public to encourage developers strategic growth plans for national nonprofits and faith-based organizations. My tenure as director of operations for Starship Starfish initiative and the director of the Conscript Institute with the Center for Leadership Development. I was able to
implement process improvements, measures outcomes effectively. And additionally, as my experience as a case manager and program manager of Family Promise of Greater Indianapolis, I have the opportunity to deepen my understanding of homeless prevention and family support services. And these roles. I have successfully developed and implemented data-driven solutions that directly improve community outcomes from increasing access to education, resources and strengthening re-entry services. My commitment to public service has been consistent priority throughout my career. This appointment was a result of careful deliberation, multiple discussions and I wyman of my professional experience with the mayor's vision for my for
our city's future. My appointment was not influenced by affiliations in reflection of my dedication and ability to advance the public service of our city. When I was in my interview process, the mayor has high handle challenges of this role. I confidently responded. I have a strong community of family and friends that supported me. And if I have the opportunity to be a voice for those who are often unheard, I am ready for that challenge today. I stand by this statement with unwavering resolve. I want to outline my for 6 months into this role to give individuals a better understanding of what I have been doing. The first 3 months were dedicated to meeting various internal and external partners. 2 months into my tenure, I experienced
staff transitions and keep department rolls. I had the appointment I had to appoint skews me an interim director beginning beginning a hiring process for a director as well as attempting to stabilize an agency JANUARY of this week year. Indianapolis, Animal care Services was also added to the public health and safety umbrella. I pursued this role because I believe and being a part of the solution. I recognize the gaps and human services across Indianapolis and I well aware of the internal challenges that I face. I remain committed to improving our city. The vision for this agency is not my own. It is the mayors and I am dedicated to advancing in collaboration with the council on residents in our city agencies. I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the public
statements made during our last meeting. Now that I have more information as as horrific and traumatizing as last meeting was, I want to publicly thank every individual in previous employees that sent encouraging e-mails and shared their experiences with me. Also want to publicly apologize to you as each one of you shared similar stories. But I have often faced with in my role when each of you stood up for what you believe in. When you're wanting to ensure the integrity of this office. While I understand and I heard repeatedly limit this is not about you. I can't help but to make this personal as this has been a clear in strategic attempt to slander my reputation beginning before I even accept my offer for
employment. I want to be sure that I'm clear and I am hurt. If there's anyone that I have offended in any way. I am open to the opportunity to discuss and rectify the situation as I'm always love to take offense and ready for reconciliation. However, family not allowed to address any said concerns. It cancels out the opportunity for possible conflict resolution in an appropriate manner. As a leader in this space and as leader in other spaces. I do not expect that everyone in the workplace likes one another. However, it is my responsibility as a leader to ensure that everyone has heard respected and valued while they are at work. I'm respect. I'm not a respecter of persons but of principle. I would like to kind of going to the public health framework that was asked as well. Our approach to public health and safety
continue to address root causes while reinforcing positive social structures. We will prioritize anti-violence strategy, strategies that target at-risk populations through intervention. Prevention is support. Antipoverty initiatives that improve economic stability and expand access to opportunities addressing social determinants of health to ensure our residents can thrive. Our desired impact. Is to advance health equity initiatives responding to resident needs by providing city sponsor services and increased positive social relationships, interactions. If you keep focus areas for 2025. We want to. Comey continue a community-based prevented preventative programs. Strengthening community based organizations, infrastructure evaluating impact and expanding collaboration,
partnerships to Sure, sustained success. Rebuilding our public trust enhancing transparency, ensuring accountability and maintaining engagement where residents to restore confidence in our public health and safety initiatives. As deputy mayor will be responsible for the following 3 agencies. Our citizens Police complaint office. Ics Ph U.S. In 2025. The citizens complaint officers will focus enhancing operational support. And now as of late ics will focus for the remaining of the year, which will be restructuring the agency as we are now preparing. A new start. Skews me for a permanent director. Additionally preparing to break ground on a new facility in 2026. Lastly, spent a little time here which will be the Office of Public Health and Safety. As you can see, we
have I have the 5 divisions up on the when our Power point presentation, our initiatives will also per excuse me, prioritize our homelessness and eviction prevention programs, expanding employment, pathways, improving homeless, can't maintenance and strengthening tennis advocacy. Our re-entry programs will expand you focus initiatives enhancing transportation and access and improving legal support for returning citizens. Our community, nutrition and food policy, we'll develop sustainable food system supporting local grocers and ensuring equitable access to healthy food. And our behavioral health programs, expanding mental health resources, strengthening our clinician lab response team and increasing public awareness of available
services. I want to skip over a few of these slides each one that you have packages is broken down within our different divisions. And you can see each one. Each program has a goal attached to it. And lastly, our community violence reduction team. In NOVEMBER 2024, we're on the train and direction of ending the year with increase of criminal homicides implemented a six-day action plan within the ndp's fellowship program to ensure that our homicide rate would reverse start trending back in a decline. We in a 20 to 24 without an increase in criminal homicides. I decided to formally operational wise what was once just an immediate action plan to a farmer last process within the team resulting in a continued decrease in our non-fatal and
fatal homicide victims. The successes are a testament to the collective efforts of dedicated community organizations, residents and public safety personnel who work tirelessly to create safer neighborhoods. They are continuing implementation of our gun violence reduction strategy through recommendations of our consultant David Muhammad. I have implemented monthly data-driven performance meetings by reviewing the data and managing goals and metrics. There would be an additional standing report. Excuse me, additional spending. Report out of up-to-date data on the following items. Number of outstanding referrals for shooting reviews and community safety meetings. Number of new enrollment into our fellowship each week. Number Number of scenes are violence. Interrupters will respond to each week. I am proud to
showcase our new public facing dashboard that is in its final stages of implementation. The following dashboard will give by weekly updates to the community on the status of our in the Peace Fellowship program. Additionally at the beginning of APRIL, the host, an open house for all counselors, the purpose of this event is to provide an opportunity for city councilors. The full committee to experience and get an understanding of the work being come like completed by the ndp's program. Each day counselors are welcome to sit and on our weekly staff meetings, meet our staff members and ask questions we want you all to gain a deeper understanding of our daily practices. And I kind of just want please note that these numbers are not not real numbers. This is just what will be showcased on our website. And the next hopefully. Reducing violence in our community is paramount and data consistently shows that black males and youth are disproportionately impacted by
gun violence. According to national research, black males, again, between the ages of 18 to 30 35 account for a significant percentage of both non-fatal shootings, a homicide victims in urban areas. An Indianapolis specifically this group historically represent over 70% of homicide victims in the last year. Studies also indicate that black males are 14 times more likely to become victims of gun related homicides compared to other counterparts. Youth violence is also a growing concern. As black males under the age of 24 make up a disproportionate share of both victims and offenders and firearm related incidents recognizing these alarming statistics. We must take a strategic data-driven approach to intervention. Ndp's Fellowship program. Our team has worked closely with community partners to identify
and engage high-risk individuals. This program has already demonstrated success by connecting young men with meant mentor, ship, employment, pathways and mental health resources, critical opponents in reducing retaliatory violence. And 2025 and will continue to strengthen crisis intervention services specifically target targeting young black man most at risk. Want to expand our mentorship programs that create positive social networks and alternative pathways to conflict resolution. Prioritize investment trauma, informed care and mental health resources to address the long-term impacts of violence affected individuals and families. Continued investments through the elevation Grant program. 3 million will be invested into intervention and justice involve support programs with a keen focus on programs and activities that implement
integrated. 24 7 crisis response services and supports for males between the ages of 18 to 35 individuals, most at risk of violent victimization excuse me about mutations or violent execute By implementing the strategy is our goal is to reduce criminal homicides again by 10% each year while creating sustainable support systems of support for the most vulnerable members of our community. Deeper systems include ensuring our fellows are gainfully employed, receive access to mental health, supports and educational opportunities. I firmly believe that our city can thrive when we pri prioritize collaboration and accountability and equity in all that we do. But to truly create a cyber Indianapolis, we must commit ourselves to addressing the urgent crisis of gun violence that continues
to devastate our communities. It's best especially among our youth and our young black man. This is not a challenge that the government can solve them. All. I am calling on all city leaders, grassroot organizations, faith, great faith-based groups, educators, parents and residents to join us in this critical effort. We must come together to mentor youth, provide pathways to opportunity and actively cycles of violence that Britain, our city's future. I urge each of you whether you have a public office to lead a community-based program, simply just want to make a difference to lean in and partner with us by investing in evidence-based strategies, supporting violence intervention programs and fostering meaningful relationships with those most at risk, we can build a stronger and safer.
Indianapolis. I am eager to work alongside each of you to bring these plans to life. And I humbly ask for your support in my confirmation today. Together we can create a city where every resident Bill safe valued empowered to thrive. Inquest presentation. Take a few questions councilors and then a few from the public. For a vote comes to questions. Council scary. Thank you, MR. Chair, thank you for presenting presentation. My mind is focused on the homes. My district is southeast side, Garfield area part of town square. We have more homeless in our district than any other district. You don't see him in broad ripple. You don't anything north of Washington Street. Very little. I
understand that you offer them housing before you anything. Where do you offer housing to they go? Well, we have different partners that offer short-term solutions for those who are encamped in different areas across the city. We have our Andrew Markley who works with our tenant our homeless division and we work actively with Horizon House as well to make sure that they are supported in receiving additional services. On on one of your slides. It says homeless and eviction prevention. What? But what exactly does that mean? Bliss? Any eviction prevention in regards to if someone is facing say they lost their job this from my home. I'm Go ahead. Eviction from I go home
okay. I'm going I guess main question is where you put I know we don't have any housing. It's a real issues, especially on Southside. Thank you. Think also got some upper Thank you, MISTER CHAIRMAN and thank you that the man he'll present in and provide us. Some insight from our last conversation. I have 3 3 different areas. The first is around character concerns. Second is around the role of this committee and then question about future collaboration. You mentioned that there was a deliberate attempt to slander your character. Can you clarify what you believe is behind these efforts? And we're coast Africa what I can do that
we're not going I'm not going have heard name names of people who she thinks maybe behind those every for my question. Absolutely. You mentioned that there's a you feel like those delivered attempt to slander your character? What makes you believe so? Just based off interaction from our meeting last month, I was quite taken aback by some of the questions at that time. I had not heard of anything in regards to. regards to any of the things that I was asked so that that was why I believe that to be so. Thank Second question kind of the role of this committee as the deputy mayor of public health and safety. How do you define the role of this committee on public safety and criminal justice in shaping policy oversight? And what
specific areas do you believe require close a collaboration between your office and this committee? Very good question. I would define you all's as and I'll just say, come skews me coming from. The meetings that I've had each counselor. One of the questions that I asked everyone was what is happening in your district. When I look at you offer your all, I want to hear what is happening in your district so that we can have those deeper collaboration and more impactful conversations. So that I can be able to go back to the team and say this is what's happening in this particular district. Can we wrap around them and make sure that each of you are supporting when you are at those local meetings and those town halls and you are able
provide them talking points of what we are currently doing to address of those issues. Thank you, Max Month, that question, Council both your presentation today last month kind of offer some insight and how you intend to engage with us moving forward can you outline your approach to transparency, accountability and regular communication with this committee and this particular body, council. Yes. So one of the things I've shared in my one-on-one meetings is that I do here you And I understand that you have felt that you are not as you're not receiving as many updates as you should from various One of the things that as from our team is that we have originally said quarterly updates and I think counselor, but to say, I think I want to
buy monthly for you all to be able to understand what we are working on, what we are striving to do again, that will go coming to your e-mails. Any questions again that you all have? I want to make sure the u-of-h support and you are your understanding what we are doing to help ease your seat when you are out community. Because the Purpose Council, Renee. Thank you, MR. Debbie Meryll. Thank you for being here and thank you for your time both this evening. And in the previous committee hearing last month and a question both phs director's position as well as the animal care services positions. So I think what's been challenging
has been working towards finding the right person Phs. Just wondered if you could share we might be in that process. So we have completed all of our interview. So we had a first round in a second round of interviews for pages position. We have 3 strong final candidates. We have not extended an offer yet. Michael, I hope to be able to do that within the next few weeks. That's welcome news. And I would just reiterate, i think we talked about last committee hearing the idea of the confusion that exists with the title Office of Public Health and Safety. I further think the confusion is compounded by the fact you're the deputy mayor of the Office of Public Health and Safety, something. There's a confusion. That you might also to be the director. And I think that that should be addressed because it is. I I do. I can't think of any other
deputy mayor position. That is the deputy mayor they're timeless specifically existing agency within the city. And I think you might want to talk about that because I think it might put undue burden on you as well the ph is director, whoever that might be. The second one is Animal Care Services Agency. I was just wondering your sot something. Obviously Mayor Hogsett would be the one the make the determination. I would assume you're involved in those talks. However, you take community input over the last several months from the volunteers and Animal care. Folks, as you I assume, are looking for a new animal care services director. As your
question, how my including our volunteers. So how are How are you taking that public community feedback and incorporating it into that new selection process? Yes, so anyone who said in that meeting, I think we all can agree that it was very happy. I think we were in here about 3 hours until and you have multiple people sharing their concerns, sharing their. Passion for being a volunteer. I think we need to lean into each voice and I think we need to make sure that because that has been an agency that has kind of then under another agency for years. And now it's is more forward-facing within my umbrella of public health and safety. I think as an agency, we need to come around them deeper to make sure they are resource properly to be a forward-facing agency. I'm
leaning also into the volunteers. One of the things that camera shared with, but we have to remember that the volunteer coordinator was a cordinator overseeing approximately 200 to 300 individuals. We need to lean into a director of volunteer services. I know that that comes with a price tag, but whoever is coming into their own nice to have a needs to be fully supporting so that they can implement with those volunteers are suggesting lot here that I think that that feedback that we heard loud and clear is so important as we work towards. As you noted as your area, focus restructuring and working towards rushed a strategic plan. So as we go through that restructuring in strategic plan as well, winds evaluating
a new candidate for that position. I hope that feedback is top of mind. I would just add And now we turn back to the CHAIRMAN Of the time. I hope that data and transparency are 2 areas that you focus and I don't think we have the sufficient data that can justify or back up. A lot of the things that were asked to fun during budget season. And so I wish that we could get that data to be a better advocate and cheerleader for the work that is being done. And some of the agencies that you would oversee as well as the transparency you've committed to getting under the hood of some of these programs and some of these areas. Look forward to that. I would just note that I I view your nomination the exact same way. I view on nominations, particularly in the first
year. And that's to evaluate you and your nominate nation based on your areas of focus which you brought to us this evening. You've highlighted them in the different areas such as the complaint, more animal care Services Phs and the subsets under each one. And so that's how I know of any way to this year. Should you come back before us next year out with weight you on how those moved along through this year. And lastly, I would just like to publicly thank the CHAIRMAN Of this committee CHAIRMAN Robinson and my colleagues on this committee for giving extra time to hear this nomination process. It's not always convenient to postpone or table or or delay. But I think that in this
instance, it was very helpful. I think it's Andrew lot of questions and given all of us more time, more thoughtful about very important issues that our city faces specifically in the areas of public health and safety. Great. Thank you for your Council and council moves. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN thank you, Deputy Mayor Hill for your time and your time the other day. Appreciate the dedication. I'm gonna ask a specific question Ph. In its operations. And I know that is just one of many. Buckets that you have to take care of. But it's an important one to me. And that is tenant eviction prevention. And because I think that's a huge problem. Not only Indianapolis, Indiana, in general. I mean, Indianapolis leads the country
in the eviction work, terrible world, horrible. And we need to stop that trend. And I know the Marion County courts are very interested in this and they've rearranged themselves to funnel eviction cases to one particular court. And I'm just interested in what your thoughts are to enhance our efforts to further our prevention edge is, you know, one of the first things are this past. Council did was pass a tenants Bill of Rights. Right out of the gate promptly. Castrated, if you will, by the Indiana legislature that shows you the environment we're dealing with. So that means we just have to fight harder to protect our tenants. Just like some of your thoughts on that subject. I think that is one of the and I know counselor grades has spoken to this few times because it directly
impacts. He's ditched district as well. I think that that is the number one source of prevention from my seat. If someone is picked And that is where you possibly experience homelessness. That is where you will have the mental trauma. If you have kids, if you are still trying to get to work, if you are living in Europe, car, I think that. In order for us to hit all the issues, we do have to start there and needs to be embedded in our budget. Know Andrew will be excited to hear if we could possibly make them more robust. That is my stance on that. Thank you. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Costa District comments from its heels. Welcome visitor. Thank you, MISTER CHAIRMAN. Thank you for being here tonight. Deputy Mayor Lena, I won't be able to
vote on new tonight. But I'm here in support of you. First, I want to highlight a make a comment. And then I want to ask a question. Thank you all for putting this dashboard together. Tiny was back there showing me the dashboard in this is something that the board that I mentioned to you out that I created, we have been advocating for something like this so that we can better than no hard numbers versus always. Looking forward to the news. Are our constituents in my district actually go to this board and know where we stand, that we don't have to worry about the e-mails. Anybody that comes through have questions they can go right here. So thank you. And then I was told it was free. Thank you for that. My question to you would be
because I know has been. He's been it's, you know. The leadership. It and you kind of spoke on that. And in the culture of the department, I do know prior to you come and there was a cultural differences within the department. How are you going to handle that moving forward? And I asked that question because adn there several questions. And I think, you know, several concerns and I want it to be clear when how you gonna handle things. But then also I want to make a comment as well. Is that because you bring it up in your statement, we also have to remember the roles that we play. Someone's always going to be upset with the U.S. We're not going to be able to everybody. And that's what I want to make sure to, you
know, you know, so I actually how are you going to handle things moving forward from a cultural standpoint? Yes, absolutely. Thank you for your question. I want to first caller name out Bush ii email me when we Preparing to. Start the process for director and she said she wanted to help with the process. And so I gave her full autonomy to get everyone within the department together to get their be like, who do you all want in a director? There are people who have been there longer than me. They've experience positive things as well. They know they've sent under multiple directors. So I feel that it was imperative that they had a voice to say who would be their next leader based on their information
that they receive that they received excuse me that they gave back to me. I created interview questions. We had a team of people to go those particular candidates additionally, I do think that there needs to be a culture officer. Hired within the agency that has been recommended in the past. I do agree is not currently in our budget, but hopefully we can get something in the budget moving forward. Martin, make my plea in 2025. Moving forward but already have someone identified that is been recommended from people actually Phs but it's not going to be. An easy I will just say that it takes time to change and this isn't any
organization. Culture. It won't 3 months, 6 months, 9 months. And everyone has to be on board in regards to accountability in regards to self-awareness and emotional intelligence to make sure that. We all are on the same goal and vision. And there's no pride in But it takes everyone. Hopefully I will be able to lead, by example. Thank you. Counselor Allen. Thank you. Becomes a quest for appointment. And it will on his care to speak to this appointment is purple due 2 minutes. On these. Presentations. You state your name for the record. Please do 2 minutes clerk, please. Good evening, everyone. I'm car like Duffy. I am. That would let them know the fans. 2 minutes. Clerk. Want to read
the statement. I think you. Good evening before we open the floor to public comments, we would like to remind committee members and the public of a few rules. So everyone can have a fair chance to speak and be heard. It is important we each observe the following rules first, each speaker will be limited to 2 minutes. Second, any public comments must be reasonably related to that agenda item under consideration. 3rd speakers who stray from the item under consideration are become unduly repetition is MAY be asked to move on to the next point or conclude their comments. Finally, attendees who caused disruption that prevent the committee from proceeding through tonight's agenda in a reasonably efficient manner will be removed. Please remember types of threatening speech or incitement to violence are not protected by the First
Amendment at all. What we will deal with those issues if they come up. But we don't think that they will. And now MR. CHAIRMAN, if the committee members asked for consent to adopt these rules, we can proceed with the public comments consent. Thank you, Stephanie. Good evening, everyone. Trying to not be too tonight. My name is Carla Duffy. I am the cfo for the Office Public Health and Safety. I've been Phs since 2016, which is when it created by. I'm Rachel Hauck said. I am. For clarity purpose here. I have a claim against Ms Hill for harassment. She started in AUGUST on AUGUST 12 of last year. I thought my claims September, the 6th. These activities that are identified in the claim have continued to
date. Is frustrating and disheartening to see that or 2 here that these ideas of are these suggestions of. They're being transparency? Being stated here tonight are actually they are not as far what has occurred in the last 7 months. Since Ms Hill has been the deputy mayor. Also, I was asked prior to MISS Heels appointment. Whether or not I felt that she would be a good fit for this role. What I said to my supervisor at the time. And later to the mayor directly is that I do not believe that she is qualified for position. At the time. I did not know Ms Hill. What I didn't know is that as cfo Phs. Who is responsible for
45 million dollars? Of funds that were to go to the community through the Indianapolis Foundation. 9 million of those dollars being city funds that are directly under my purview. We received multiple. Communications from green teas. Asking for assistance. One of them been given tonight. I missed a few. Thank you for your comments. Appreciation. We have a list. We have a list star no list. Thank you is you for your comments for coming on this evening. Additional Those in the audience, please. Proposal. Seeing none final comments from council is please. Should any motion. Mostly probably moved and seconded to move the supposed to the full council pass recommended will. Mostly probably second was clerk and a roll call vote. Please.
Councilor on on a high. Councilor boots. Accounts are currently Currently councilor DeLay me, Tony. I. Councilor Graves Grey's. I. COUNCILMAN Scary mask. Gary, I. Council McCormick. Mccormick. I. Councilor Mowery. Council Perkins. Perkins. I. And Council Robinson Robinson. I. The motion carries 9 to 0. All say think the minute you MAY become of the council boots. I recommended a monthly update regarding use Bi-monthly. So I think like to have you on and that, yes, maybe come in MAY to give up to how we how status is doesn't pay for that
for the committee. Appreciate you doing that for us because of the government. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, I just wanted to point out, I'm should us that earlier on the portal that you ndp's, there are few items that are missing in the tables. And I don't know if that's screen. Screenshot error or if it's a platform mayor, but make sure those get So they're just variables that we don't know what they're identifying cells. You can look that This is on a couple of those pages. Thank Council Perkins. MR. The voters ready Tariff pass there's a on settlements in the and we do have until the full council needed APRIL to to to to address the rest of this. I wonder if is an opportunity. Sue, come to some resolution
around what was shared with from the community comments that is that is very unsettling for And so I don't know what the process is between now and full council meeting before this comes up for a full vote. But I want to put that on record that that I'm requesting that something is on. So that is some clarity and going forward. Think becomes comes. Perkins from from my experience, though, that sounds like a fuss officially filed in hr issued a charge discussion. So there won't be public discussion with this committee. We're going in the hr issues. So won't be any discussion publicly on this committee before our next full council regarding any fall of any hr complaints that's far beyond our preview. Additional ms
Hill. Let's make a final coming before we depart the motion pass on to the full council. Do pass recommendation. It was one nay vote. So 2 months. And then also it was put out that you have come back every year for your appointment, though. So keep that in mind. And then So remember that as well. So we'll see you in about 2 months will see for the full Council vote. See if you much for the update. Thank you for your comments. Council Perkins McCormick cost around 8. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, I several moments ago as reference to a letter that had been distributed to committee members on our desks the letter came from as Washington Pierre. She she represents as she event Indico. It's not something I'm familiar with. I just want to make sure that missiles provided a copy of that letter. If she was in this evening so she can take a
look at it when will give you the final comment before we during the meeting. I just want to say thank you. I want to thank each counselor again for the time to come before you I hope that the takeaway is that I always open for any reconciliation with anyone. I hope anyone under the sound of my voice. Can hear that in is open to that. Yeah, I'll just I'll just leave it there. But thank you all again. Thank you, MR. Hill's on the agenda.