it? Was something. Breaks hours that he gave Excuse me, there's a for public testimony. If you want to sign stir on the it's not it's not crime there a a condition. Good afternoon. Everyone is 05:30pm, on Wednesday, JULY 16, 2025. Welcome to the Public Assembly room. Well, the city county building and the public safety just come into the city County Council will star meeting this evening with introductions on a first leader. Hard. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, my name is Michael Paul Hart representing
District 20. MR. CHAIRMAN Josh Thing District. 21. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Bring and Illini District 2. Thank you. CHAIRMAN Jessica McCormick District 16. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN then booths, District 3 Washington Lawrence townships. They can constantly. Thank you. CHAIRMAN Robinson, Crystal Carlina District, 11 West side. Good evening, everyone MR. CHAIRMAN Keith Grace District 9 on the Indian Embassy side. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Frank Miscarry District 19 on the South. The Sun. Thank you. Are Robinson District, one chair, the committee. We have 3 items the agenda tonight. 2 appointments and revised cold proposal of first proposed one 87 2025. Appoints the least Smith to this is post complaint board. This meeting will come
forward. Please welcome. Thank you so much. This is a very, very important board of city. We need good folks on the board, the volunteer. We do have your resume before us. This is your first time for us to speak to us briefly about whether to be on this board. And we do have your resume. So we have it there. Okay. Sure thank you again for this opportunity. So my name is Ali Smith. Originally from Detroit. I moved to Indiana or more specifically Indianapolis a few years ago to 10 Indiana University. And over time I have come to the valley, the city and diverse communities professionally. My work has centered the empowerment of equity where they're serving was the associate director for special Indiana University. With all my participation in Hoosier women forward, these rules have strengthened my commitment to public service and civic engagement
interested in serving on the Citizens. Police collect complaint board because I believe in importance of transparent, fair process. Is that give citizens a voice in hole is Tucson's accountable. I welcome the opportunity support a system where community members can raise legitimate concerns. Trust that those concerns will be review impartially. Ultimately, I see this work as essential to building an alliance trust between citizens and institutions that they serve. Thank you so much comments or questions because again, thank you for your wants to volunteer on this board. Appreciate doing so. Cost around a welcoming me. Thank you, MISTER CHAIRMAN and thank you. Ms Smith. I apologize for coming in just a few minutes. During your
presentation. But I say this to everybody who is appointed to the complaint board and that is that this is a citizen's police complaint board is one of the most important boards, commissions in the city of Indianapolis giving residents citizens the opportunity to file complaints and in haven't handled in that process. Is critically important. I'm very proud of the fact that my grandfather was police chief back in 1990, when this board was formed. I would just encourage you to go through all the training that exists with the complaint board. I trust that you will few years back. Had some issues where not not all the participants were going through the mandatory training. So just encourage you jumpin enjoy your time and
certainly come back to the council. If there is anything within the complaint board that you think could done differently or things that could be done better and we wish you the best. And I look forward to supporting your proposal. Thank you. Appreciate Thank you. Thank you, And I think the biggest thing you represents the hours training the ride alongs with the officers crucial to do that. So we should get that great learning experience as well. So thank you so much. Thank you. An a for a for making a comment. Delaney counseling. You know, overlooking or your resume. It's extremely impressive. And I think the city is really blessed to have you serve on the sport. So thank you for your service. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Cover costs. Council Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN Ms Smith, thank you so so much for your willingness to be here and
serve in this capacity. One of the things that we take a look at as we take a look at your annual re re newall reappointment is the attendance other than any unforeseen circumstances emergency. Do you see any reason that you won't be able to be a high-level attendee at these meetings and these ride alongs and just really digging into the rule that you will play on this particular board. I don't foresee that simply because I have had enough time kind of talk to someone who has done this work and the level of commitment. Fortunately do my job. We always have to show up. So I don't put my name is space as well. Show up. So understand the commitment of the opportunity. So see working out. Yeah, I'm super excited to have you. Thank you. So very Very nice council moves. Thank CHAIRMAN. And I just move that we. Proposal one. I'm sorry. One 87 to the full
council, the new pet recommendations. Thank you. Council in the audience speak proposal. One 87. Most are probably moved seconded. All those in favor signal by saying Aye, I those opposed motion carries. Thank you so much. We'll see a few weeks full council. Thank you so much so much. Up next post a 2, 1, 6, point Johnson makes. So this is supposed play board. The space will come forward. Please. Welcome. I think you my name is just the map us. I want to thank you for considering me for the citizens. Police complete board idling. I believe I bring a well rounded and grounded perspective to this role as a systems thinker. A program manager. And a mother and community advocate. I understand how vital public trust transparency and
accountability are to ensuring true community safety professionally. I have spent nearly a decade in operations and program management with experience in high stakes industries like aerospace energy and manufacturing. I've supplier risk mitigations build systems that ensure accountability across straight across various teams. And I am no stranger when it comes to holding powerful systems accountable. And I believe that those same skills are relevant and invaluable to this sports mission as a parent also raising young children in Indianapolis. I think often about what kind of world I want them to grow up in. I want them to see institutions that are fair, responsive and that are willing to listen if and when something does go wrong. That is why this board matters to me. It is not just the body to help filtered through complaints and provide a neutral perspective. It's a
bridge between residents and our public safety systems. It the power to It has the power to help restore faith or trust has been broken. Thank you. Thank you so much. And your that your earlier, sir. Thank you for your time. He was to be on this board is a volunteer. Why long hours are important. Very important board for city. So thank you for you. With us to volunteer on the board. Converse a question from this map. It's also important. Thank you for your willingness to serve as a fellow engineer, I was noting out on your resume very impressed. But I look forward to having that analytical thinking that side of the brain being able to contribute to the conversation. So when she looked community service, counsel, this becomes a
question counselors. Any one of the audience could speak this proposal. Seeing none that Rantanen motion. Mostly probably move to second it for this proposal. It for the first thing I I those oppose motion carries. Thank you so much. Thank you. Research your time. MISTER Clerk. Do we have folks sign up for the public testimony portion of of tax proposal? So if you if you are in interest in signing up to speak to the next proposal come forward and signs. The sign. Is she with your name? Please. Except for him. You don't know. Next proposal to 32 to 25 in separate 3.81 section 1, 0, 0, 2, vice colder because the season and happens. Marin County with respect to the curfew hours of children, we will take a moment folks sign up. Will call up the Mr before pushing
council speak to This proposal. People. Anyone want to speak to this proposal, come forward and sign your name, please. MR. Be that you want to grab a seat that MAY be more questions the proposals. Millet. Stick around a little while. Thank you. Welcome from occ. The administration, we have amendment before us to change his proposal regarding curfew. Speak to that for us. Please share the details about in the changes. Yes, thank you, MISTER. Thank you. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN and thank you. Counselor is good evening again. Is great. If you are the corporation counsel. Here to discuss the motion to amend as the resolution that are proposing amendments to the revised code regarding the curfew. This in the curfew ordinance to add additional
sections regarding public safety curfew hours for minors. State law actually governs the curfew hours, which are codified in the city county's ordinance in sections currently sections. 3.81 Dash 101 and 102. In some sections. 3, 1, 101. Curfew hours for children age 15, 16, 17 to be after 01:00am on Saturday and Sunday after 11:00pm Monday through Thursday. Section 3 d one 102, sets curfew hours for children under 15 after under 15 years of age for after 11:00pm. Any day. State law also allows governments to advance the curfew hours by up to 2 hours when a city determines that the curfew hours are later than reasonable for public safety. This must be done by ordinance. Due to the determination that the city
meets this condition precedent. The amendment follows the procedures required by state law to advance the curfew hours by 2 hours, which is what the current amendment resolution specifically. It had section 3, 81 103, which is a fan, says the curfew hours for children aged 15, 16 17 2 after 11:00pm for Friday and Saturday and after 09:00pm Sunday through Thursday, it adds Section 3.81 104, which advances the curfew hours for children under the age of 15 to after 09:00pm every day. And in addition, it adds Section 3, 81 105, which is to provide that absent any additional action taken by the council after 120 days, the public safety curfew hours will expire and revert back to the standard curfew hours
contained in sections 3, 81 1, 0, 1, 102. This is because the state law mending curfew hours is a temporary measure. It indicate that state law indicates that the condition precedent again, a finding that the state mandated curfew hours are leaders unreasonable for public safety must be met before a city can advance the curfew hours. The remainder of the amendments to the ordinance simply run. Numbers remembers the certain provisions since there are 3 new sections that were added to chapter. And finally, to address a concern that's been raised, I think maybe still being worked on. Is that just let her know that impd officers who lawfully enforce curfew ordinance are entitled to defensive indemnification by the city and this important
protection is not only codify codified ordinance and Section 2.90, per to 92 dash one. It's also contain in state law, Indiana Code section. 34 Dash 13 dash 5 dnd. Thank Thank you so much. MISS Piers went once we have the amendment read by council grades. He can go ahead and just say I move come in given amendment. Thanks, guys. And thanks. MISTER Chair Chair. I move to amend proposal to 30 to 2025. Biden leading the language that is stricken through at the underline language to read as follows. And Section one chapter 3 d one. The revised code of the consolidated City of Indianapolis and Marion County is hereby amended by adding the language that has been underlined. To read as
follows. Section 3.81, won all 3 public safety curfew hours for children, 15, 16 17 years of age. It is unlawful for child 15, 16 or 17 years of age to be in a public place. And the county at any time during the following curfew hours after 11:00pm on Friday or Saturday after 09:00pm on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday or before 05:00am any day. Section 3, 81 104, public safety curfew hours for children younger than 15 years of age. It is unlawful for child younger than 15 years of age to be in a public place. And the county. After 09:00pm or before 05:00am on any day. Section 3, 1, 1, 0, 5
application of public safety curfew hours reads. The public safety curfew hours shall be enacted in compliance with Indiana code. 31 Dash 37 dash 3 dash 4 which permits the consolidated city and county to advance the curfew hours by no more than 2 hours from the curfew hours are later. Then he's reasonable public safety under the conditions that exist in the consolidated city and county. The provisions advancing the curfew hours shall expire after 120 days. Absent further action by this council regarding a determination that advancement of the curfew hours is reasonably necessary for public safety, MR. Chair finally Section 3, is updated from 1, 0, 3, 106. And
section. 1, 1, 4 was up to 27 and section 3, 1, 1, 0, 5, was updated to 108. So many. The second think most of the Florida before we get discussion with the with their colleagues about this amendment, MR. Released any additional thoughts on the amendment would count agrees with it. To cause the amendment that know that I'm sorry my son was Braves. Absolutely. Absolutely. Just had to do the amendment forms directors. Thank you. And I know there's been a lot of questions councilors regarding the process for this curfew change in the amendment. And the assistant chief Wally, if you want to come forward speak about before we do a deputy chief, you have anything for city went consistent. Do you think purchases to goes so this evil speak about the process for putting people. We
have to detain them just briefly speak generally about some of the the issues that we've seen and why this is important. And this public safety setting that we're asking for and why it's important that we have a sunset and as well, what we've seen over the last 6 weeks and the court versiti is unacceptable. Both from adults acting poorly and unsupervised juveniles who, although let not every juvenile and not every adult had put both the community and themselves and a pretty precarious and dangerous situation causing the death of 2 juveniles on on JULY 4th, unacceptable behavior in any city, especially as world class as Indianapolis. And I think that there conversations that have
been started because of what happened. And that's good. And I'm hopeful that those conversations turned to action and not just words. And that's what I see happening here tonight is action on the part of this council. And although the things that we do MAY not be perfect, they MAY be challenging the future. Doing nothing is unacceptable. And I applaud you for the actions that attempting to take tonight. And I thank you for that. And our children. Well, thank you for that. What assistant chief, while he will speak to it how we're going to handle the things this weekend under the current state law. And as we move forward, if this proposal passes this, this committee work with the Office of Corporation Counsel, Mothers to set policy and procedures in place to enforce your new ordinance as we move
forward. So thank you, MISTER CHAIRMAN for the opportunity speak tonight. Thank you. Thank you. To just one quick before you sit to make it As we met this afternoon earlier today. Another couple folks don't tell us, make it clear to discount committee and the council that you have my full support is chair resources you need whatever to Jeanne, for your tool kit for your men and women. You haven't from his chair of public Safety resources, budget allocates, you need have my full support of those things. So thank Was comedown support this initiative. Thank you, CHAIRMAN. And I'll say this about all of your fellow counselors as well. The support and friends of of of all the support for officers in our agency has been overwhelming. And I appreciate that from a all of our officers to all of you. Thank you very much. Thank you. So
it's it's a chief. Wally will speak to if a young person is by or law enforcement agency downtown this weekend are any one city for that fact, the process after that, a city thank you for your service as well. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. i'm excited to talk about what we the community partners behind us in the Office of Public Health and Safety are doing this weekend and hopefully will be able to stand up anytime we see there's a need this coming weekend. Impd will continue actively enforcing our Indiana curfew loss. Officers will begin giving warnings over the pa system. With from multiple locations and in both English and in Spanish, we will do these warnings 30 minutes prior to the curfew. We would do them again. 15 minutes
prior to curfew and then we will give the final notice right when curfew is in effect. The goal is to give young people time to leave the area, get home safely. And that before any enforcement action would be taken. You MAY be asking what's different under the leadership of ceo be which is our community engagement and outreach bureau are major men's has been working phs in our community partners, some of which are behind me today. We're creating a safe location downtown. The purpose of this location is to be available any for any individual under the age of 18 who would be violating curfew? Officers MAY escort them to this location where we will process them. The goal is to reach out to parents, have them come and
pick their children up. The service provide us behind us would talk to these youth try to build relationships with him as parents come to pick their children up. The service providers behind us would also have conversations with them. And most importantly, they will have re went. Let's follow up. Plan on staffing reunification center with our community Engagement outreach bureau officers. Many you are familiar with them. They are known for Powell Club. They also just did our teen Academy. Our great camp. So they are fully engaged in are trained to deal with youth and any challenges that they MAY see. We also have an in cat officer available. Just so that impd has all available resources that we MAY need when interacting with use. District. This approach is
restored of not disciplinary the emphasis on guidance direction and connection. Parents or guardians will be contacted immediately if a parent cannot be contacted, we will make several attempts at which time if we're unable to reach them, we would then have to transport them to youth services center where their personnel would do additional attempts to contact the parents the services that we have behind us represent the mental health space, the mentoring opportunities, academic assistance, job readiness resources for parents who are struggling with parents with parenting. I'm sorry. I truly believe that young people don't need more punishment. They need direction. Accountability certainly matters. And impd will do their part. But we must be willing to invest our time patients. And most
importantly, our presence because behind most poor decisions is a lack of direction and not elect a potential. We're certainly looking for more community members to be a part of this. We're asking for anyone that has an interest in joining us in this effort to reach out to our public affairs office. That's that's impd dot public affairs at indeed dot Gov. We'll make sure that you or anyone who wants to help in this effort. Well, we'll have conversations with you. And I'll say this over the last couple of weekends. I our parents or community are social survivor. Providers have stepped up and done a great job. We have not seen the influx of juveniles downtown in the last couple of weeks. So I feel like the message gotten out. I feel like everyone is doing their best and we just got to
continue that effort. And so. We're all in this together. We're not going to be able to solve the spire cells. I know as a father of 2 boys I need help. I reached out to my wife, my my my father, my mother, reach out to friends, neighbors just to get guidance on how to keep my kids and lie and say, and so I think through initiatives like this with the reunification reunification process, able to get those parents that need that extra help and guidance the support that they need. And so this is solely about saving our children's lives and making sure that they are able to flourish in life. Thank you, Thank you so much. Do you mind having a few of you are service providers that
you mentioned on your list are coming up and soon a few words. Absolutely. So few words they talked or 7, just You know, I wasn't calling. Just a few of them. Use a few guys come up kind of share your role and the committee which will be doing this. We can go forward. Thank you. Your name, please in your organization. Yes, I am Heather Savage and I'm one of the co-founders for let them talk. And so what we will be doing this week everything that assistant chief, why they say it will be working to support impd Office of Public Health and Safety. Talk along with voices along with new boy as well. And so we will be in the space again. It It is a safe space. That is the idea behind it. But we also wanted to be a supportive space and a space where there's accountability as well. So we do want these you've end up being brought in to want to be a part of our programs. Want to be a part of our services. So we want to have a welcoming
environment that is not punitive. That is not punishment. So they feel comfortable engaging in our services. And when their parents do come, they will be still willing also to continue to engage with service is ongoing. The idea like you said is to establish a connection and relationship with these kids. Not just to be this one time thing want to continue to support them ongoing. Thank you. Appreciate you doing that this weekend. Things weren't or Thank you. We will hear from shoddy to back there. Good evening. Everyone MAY show why executive director of the Children's Policy and wanted of Indiana. Focus on advocating for systemic change to make sure that policies practices and procedures our age appropriate. And so this weekend where working
alongside some of our youth organization partners to make sure that we're helping to bring resources to the space. Some looking forward to being convener in support of organization appreciate you so much. Thank you. And your team. Thank One or 2 more the Chiefs want to come Ph MR. Merkley want to have someone come up and share. I was gonna think you Director Merkley coming up. Good evening, MR. CHAIRMAN members of the committee indirectly, the director of the Office Public Health and Safety. As Assistant Chief Ali stated, Okay, chest will be assisting this weekend with operations of the reunification center and our chief violence Prevention officer threat will be at the reunification both
nights. We will also have the entirety of in the piece team reassigned to downtown. That includes or violence interrupters our outreach workers in her life coaches. Charlie Hoskins, our lead Chief violence reduction officer will be hosting to peace pop-up sauna. Circle Friday night and on Saturday night from 06:00pm to 09:00pm. As you all Phs is focused on the root causes of crime in our city. And so since the incidents on JULY 4th, we've taken actions to begin. Researching effective strategies that other communities have implemented, that we try to implement here for youth. Convene meetings with you service providers alongside the mayor's office and used to hear from them about their experiences. It's been really eye opening to understand why they're coming downtown and why they're carrying firearms. We've also looked potential facilities for safe activities for use
around the city. Since JULY 4th, posted 10 piece pop ups. Around the city in areas that we know have violent crime. As we look to the future, we will be hosting an additional 8 piece pop ups around the city this month. And we will continue to support our you service providers and impd and their efforts to implement this curfew. As well as identifying long-term solutions to address the root causes. Thank you. Director is or is there a chance we can hear from MISS She does a great job in a say a few words. 2 words from her. Absolutely. Is on the ground just in the trenches for quite a few years. And but not as her great with our teams and city. Thank you, Shirley. Yes, Shardae Hoskins Lee chief violence reduction officer with Office of Public Health and Safety. My primary role is
serving as lead program manager for any peace Fellowship. Our team supports individuals and communities impacted by gun violence. We serve individuals 18 35 who have impact either as a victim or shooter of gun violence. Our team will continue to do what our normal Rowley is, which is to respond crime scenes, wraparound families and provide support it. Hospitals funerals balloon releases. But we also have staffed our entire team, including our life coaches and in some of our fellows to be downtown Indianapolis. We all have on our shirts. We will be spreading messages of peace non violent Catholic, real resolution and downtown this
weekend as we continue the work going forward, we will continue our pop ups. We are Denver Park currently right now. Today actively actively at that location meeting with community members, understanding that there has been violence in their neighborhood at that. Your part in trying to meet what resources they MAY need any connection to any of the city programs like behind me who MAY be PRESIDENT. So we will. We do have for more pop ups this month. I love to get you out the schedule. And if they're in your districts, we'd love to have you one again. Thank you. So we appreciate you for your work. Bennett football Smith, thank you personally again. Yeah, thank you, Appreciate Thank you. One last fielded questions for the council's Mr below. We also spoke about a fine for those repeat
offenders in the curfew. And we spoke about something it use the net. Already in code speak about the possibility of finding parents, young people for repeat violation of the curfew. Yes. Chair MISTER CHAIRMAN. As you mentioned, it's in Mid section. Section 3.81, as amended proposed to be amended section 107. Once again. State law determines the amount determines the extent to which we can find individuals who violate our parents who are found to encourage violation of the curfew, both both Processees we've worked with. We are in the final stages of developing that process. So we can enforce it with the office of City Prosecutor which is housing the office where preparations council and with impd to ensure we have a smooth understand that and
what the needs are the code. Again, it's broad to so we have flexibility on determine what is appropriate to turn to and will serve the purposes of enforcing the civil disturbance that something will come back to the committee to the council that something could be internally done with the o's occ cry. This measure will be internal between impd and occ will be public so we can share and understand what mine is a process, certainly be transparent with. Thank Appreciate it. Thank you. Also Chief chief. Members of the community Commerce, a question council's custom scary. Thank. Thank you, MR. Chair. You know more and more think about this. It a lot of violence is because of the guns ever since the constitutional carry, there are more guns on the streets. I guess my question
to the chief is worthy. Getting all these guns, a 13 year-old a 14 year old. And you become 17 years and 8 months so I can carry a gun 2 more months. You have to be 21 to buy cigarette lighter. It isn't impassable. So my as my question where the getting the guns are going after these people? Well, that they're getting from multiple different locations through vehicle break-ins, home break ins their past around on the street. They're taken from homes. There's there's lots of ways that they're getting getting a hold of the weapons. Um, I can't pin it down. One thing in particular. I know that Cincinnati has an epidemic right now, especially their downtown with guns being stolen from cars as people come for events, the gun
unsecured into their seat, not properly securing it. So that allows them to fall into the wrong hands and they actually groups of individuals. That's their best. They're so mission is to break 30 car windows until they find the one gun that's sitting in the car. So sitting in the under the cedar in the glove box of unsecured. So we have a great partnership with the atf and we look at start straw purchasers. If we can prove that someone has purchased a gun for someone that they know is gonna come in a crime or is not a prohibited person pursue federal charges on that as well as any local or state charges that we apply that in particular situation. Thank you, chief. So and in an effort, thank you for your response. And if not to go off the rails councils, we do
appreciate your question about where coming from. But I want I want us to focus on the curfew amendment and the proposal and not get to straight away from the original intent of the meeting tonight, tonight's means folks on the curfew violations, the focus on the proposed the amendment and we could. What if the chief all day and night, but he's busy. They're busy. I want to focus on discuss tonight on the actual amendment before us. Going curfew violations, council boots. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN this a question for a counselor beeler and it might be just a matter of statutory construction. But looking it section 1, 0, 3, for their new public and of of sections, one on one and one of 2, other
than the words public safety. Someone reading Sections. How do they know which apply because they overlap and are confusing. Should there not be some language in there somewhere that says 103, only applies if 105, is triggered. Thank you. That question constitutes was a complicated part of trying to the draft. So because the state law requires advance in the curfew hours to be done by ordinance. It was thoughts. What was the simplest way to do this? Because we either amended totally and put in the new hours and then it whatever the timeframe we say it expires. We would need to come back and pass. In other words, to go
back to the old hours. So it seemed that would cause a lot of public confusion, which and how fast it take to change the ordinance. So the designated section of 103, and one 4 particular deferred because in the future. So this could be applicable and useful should meet that condition. Precedent again to find it to be a public safety need to advance the hours again. You could be done through different resolutions is still be done by ordinance and leave I think that is that something discussing how to communicate it? These are are implied for applied at this point. I think I missed I misspoke briefly. The there are additional words, obviously 1, 0, 3, 1, 0, 4, because the hours are changed. My question, though, is I think there should be some thought given to clarifying when one you just read 103, on its face. Any
given time that applies. As he was a counselor, I think and that's not true. That that's only true. If it's in vote by 105. And I think that needs it correct me if I'm wrong, but as a lawyer, that's one interpretation of the statute. So yeah, 105 with that. I do. I believe 105. But vote. Which in show that passes when in this way, that would be with the ordinance passed by the council would be that 105, is in effect for. Yeah. Starting whatever day that gets passed has written, it would be for 120 days. Perhaps we add after 20 days that incentive we convey some words with here. But I suppose it to me. It's clear when. Invoke the advancement, these public safety curfew hours are in effect. That would be the ordinance that would be public
with not the default 1, 0, 1, and 102, are what the state. Mandated. For lack of better words, standard curfew hours are. Don't get me wrong. I appreciate everything is going and I'm fully in support of all this. I think these are great moves. Trying sticking the details is is my issue. And so we'll leave it to the public your office to clear things up ever arises. Secondly, if I MAY ask when we're CHAIRMAN. With respect to parents. I know we do want to make this punitive for the children, particularly and we want to help them. But we've tried all the various things for decades. And we're still having a big problem and I encourage us to look at
enhanced penalties for parents because I believe historically we've with 2 people with wet noodles, meaning. Our enforcement's been pretty weak. And people don't feel the pain. So therefore, they repeat the problem. I think we need to cut deeper to the bone on some of these issues and really make parents pay closer attention. They're the ones dropping off the kids downtown so they should be penalized for that kid being out. And I know we have to be careful how we apply that. I know there's equitable issue. I understand single parent families, things of that sort. I get all that. But we've got a huge societal problem. Now we need to take drastic steps to fix it. And that includes, in my opinion, holding that parents much more responsible Cook Council regarding that. Thank you for
your comment or question. Again, the only thing this within our authority that I can think of his defines. So is there anything else within the local government authority that we can do? A tow pressed on whether fines, not a criminal offense. So what else can we do? A local level? That's correct, MR. CHAIRMAN, again, we are civil office. All we can enforce or civil fines. And again, we are captain how much we can enforce that based on what the state but the state allows us to do. As you know, we didn't changing language and section 105, you can see. I believe we can use those funds to do that because there's a presumption that parent or guardian or custodian is contributing to. It's to a child being out past
curfew. So certainly that's an area we should work on. But I mean, I think that again, this is one small step of a multi-pronged, right. One small step of sport of our chief. And the fact of this is as far as we can go on the council. So council boots and others watching this is as much we can do with the curfew, the hours and also with the with the fines. Thank you so much. Thank you. Is to be Council race. MR. Chair. I tend to lean towards being more collaborative with the parents and looking for more activities that are intentional outside of downtown prior to this curfew and perhaps ending at curfew time in there and they'll be dispersed from those activities all across the city, a curfew and they're not necessarily looking to go downtown because they already know downtown is off limits
because there's a curfew, the other part of my comment is pass for a deputy chief for our chief. Cheers know if we have transportation barriers for those parents and they're unable to just down there, get them. What are we going to hold them overnight or how long do we hold them? What's our plan there? Thank you. Council Grace. So as it relates to transportation. We are. We are. We are setting up a policy to wear if we can get a trusted adult from parents, we would release that child to the parent. So hopefully that takes care of a lot of it. As of right now, we don't have a transportation transportation service set up. Council heart. Leaderboard. Thank you, MR. So
it will be the first to say that I understand urgency behind this proposal and what we did on Monday and the work you put in to make sure we get this year. You know, I've had the opportunity to talk to a lot of folks even between then and now timing was a big Quincy dental thing in between all this last week, actually host a public safety roundtable all the Chiefs in Indianapolis as well as the prosecutor. And it was a very fruitful meeting and it wasn't just about this. It was about public safety for Indianapolis as a whole. But it also had meetings with with judges have also had meetings with community leaders in the same time that just conveniently overlapped. And one of the big things that that does as came out of a lot of the meetings,
especially ones in the community. It's a to Echo Council boots which is parental accountability. You that's one thing that I know that I'm going to continue to work on it, something that I am working on and so are members of my policy team guided by insights from from community members from community leaders. We're going to be focused multiple things moving forward. And I do think there's more that we can do specifically because a lot of these violations are civil violations. We just do. I think we do have to call out these things specifically and put those orders. Parameters in place for for the administration to follow. And so we have solutions. We don't
have him ready this evening because it does take a little bit of time to get it. But there are things that I will float in front of every single one of you. So we can have these conversations in a very operational strategic way. I'm very proud of the conversation we had last Thursday where again, we prosecute. Everyone wasn't about beating down one way or the other having operational conversation. And so we're going to bring some things. As it pertains to this curfew proposal, you know, supportive of it this evening, but I think there's a broader scope that, you know, when you look at the the other accountability peace to the parents and as well as every other lever that we have at our ability to pull so. That's what we live with today. MISTER Chair Hart, thank you for your comments. Accounts are delaying. Thank you, MR. Chair I do want to follow up
on counselor beats question in terms the operation of the ordinance without looking at the code citations that are in here in cross referencing them. The see Section 3, 81 105. In year. Stating like that will continue to remain in here. Do we need to? It gives the city of Indianapolis or the mayor going to clear that there is a public safety issue or are emergency that his happening that is now triggering this 120 day period. Or is that what we're doing here with section 105. And then in 120 days, if they're still an issue will need to come back and extend that and have a section 106, leak, if you could just explain how that would happen, does it does the sunset things
like if you could kind of get into that detail? Sure. Thing concert, So one of the reasons, again, as it seemed, it indicates a state law that this is meant to be temporary. We didn't put something in there. It could be challenged and potentially thrown out. So no, need to add a new section every time we did this because once again, order to advance the curfew hours, that's exclusively done by ordinance. Be need to be a legislative process. So would be to the council to determine that the public safety conditions exist and it's necessary to advance the curfew hours. So that's in there. For 120 days is to just to indicate that when essentially a resolution would come forward, we would have to amend the ordinance anymore and changing hours or do
anything like that. What we what would happen again as they it would just be a resolution. And I won't. I'm not familiar with all the different types of resolutions, but a resolution that could come forward a little bit easier to not have to go through this extensive process of changing the code where it could be declared by the council that this public safety issue exists. And we're gonna dance the curfew hours to assist law enforcement and then expires and under 20 days, meaning that if whatever is going on, it's still bad. You can come back and say we are extending this again. So as a council body, are we going to need to pass a resolution? At our next full council meeting, too? Make this enforceable and enact the to our curfew change that we're talking about. Believe it was the intent for this to
be the kickoff establish sheen, the conditions. And then from this point forward, a separate resolution would come in and say the same conditions exist. I do see a point that we don't we haven't specifically said what those conditions are that can be we can we can have that written up for this final adoption. Does that make sense? It does. I just again, I haven't thought about it until our colleague MR. Bates had brought that up and how it like the actual operation of all this because we're not stating a specific date or time period or condition anything with section 105. So. Then I do have a second question related. I believe this would be for our police
chief force us to chief. Could you explain what happens when the curfew, our hits like what are the is? Are the police doing too secure? Don't know the word secure are juveniles. What happens? I will say I'm very, very, very encouraged to hear that just the increased public discussion about all of this seems to have minimized some of the issue, which is great to know that what we're doing is already working. But what happens at this truck of the hour of 09:00pm 10, 11, whatever the curfews for that day juveniles. I what happens. So what we will look at be looking for is behavior that draws our attention to the It is a little bit of a challenge
to and how we have to carry out the actually detaining them by identifying them as a youth. But if there are specific behavior that draws our attention to it, officers will go engage, ask the questions. And if we're able to determine that they are. Younger than what they should be, then we would then take him into custody and transport them to either reunification center. It stood up or we take the appropriate steps for any officer that's out on the district. Are we talking handcuffs custody or community said here and I'm going to give you a ride any any time that we take someone into custody. We do have to handcuff them for safety measures. That is something that we do have to do now for the reunification center. The major has been given the discretion because we want this to be a warm and inviting atmosphere with the help of
connecting our youth to the services. So we will relax But it's it is a secure facility. So we're going to have the latitude to do that. But we also have to keep in mind, we are taking them into custody. They flee from us or anything like that were responsible for more live. Thank you, counselor. Counselor accounts for Murray. Thank you. Chair. Come a little bit just to you acknowledge that when we talk with the repeat offenders, you talk about processing them. So I assume that means they go into database source that way we can track if they are repeat offender or we know if they're, you commonly out there. So the officers will be report with the information. But I have to keep everyone hes understands the status offense. So there are no escalating steps that we can take. It's not a crime. We will have their information.
Our hope, our tent is that the resources behind us. I have spoken today intervene and give the parents the resources and things that they need. We hope that the tough conversations from the parents and a mentor in from the groups behind us will intervene and we won't see this issue occurring again with the same children. I appreciate that. I just I guess in my thought, actions that need to have consequences. So if they're coming constantly doing and constantly putting the same juvenile use you know, this program whether it's the person committing the offense think mostly the parents for the parent of the needs to be
held accountable, needs to be accountability. And you know, I I like with this proposal doing the framework. Is there. I just feel like without any kind of mechanism to. Have a consequence. It's hard to deter because, you know, fight card is gonna spend a couple hours and this other building and hang out there for a little bit my parents. Come get me. I'm good to go. So. My concern is that this could open that door, you know, so what I got picked up for a little bit, you know, yeah, let's get back out and go do it again next week in or tomorrow night and then counsel Mueller. On limitations for what we can. Find the parent or the person cut the person in charge of this. This part of youth. Was there a range of what you can look at, like what? Well was that range look like customary. State law permits us for a first offense for any ordinance violation. The cap
is $2500 and for a second and the most we can find anyone is $7500 for a second offense. Okay. So state, I guess if we're not keeping track of these people, if they're to repeat offenders, how do we know if it's a second offense? And that's not that's not he said. So when I couldn't even say where can track of them? That's not I'm saying. He said there's no database for we don't know if they're repeat offenders. He said can report in their work and their help in the South. Do we or do we not know if there are defenders? You pick up the same person twice. Do we know victim if we do report, we run the person's name. The previous answer. We'll be in the system, ok? So there is later at this 0, 4, You know, for the violations,
right? You'd have to issue a person's. Just the fact college is if there is a we're also bound by home rule that depending on the time right that we have to we can't do both either have to enforce the state law. You have to enforce a city ordinance. You can't. And for ordinance and the state at the same time. So if it's a city ordinance violation under this under this proposed ordinance and then there's a second violation under that same ordinance, then occ or the court. What have the ability to make that fine. We're not setting the fines. It would be up to that judicial officer to set those fines. If the person committed the state law violation and we use that law to take the person into custody and turn them over the child. There is no first
violation for the ordinance because you cannot do both at the same time. Ok? Thank you. Thank you, Thank you, Chief. Thank you. Council council meeting. Thank you. MISTER Chair just a brief question on the amendment really drilling down on the Sunday through Thursday language where curfew moves to 09:00pm. 15, 16, 17 year-olds and I know lawful employment is an exception was a 17, 17 year-old. I worked past 09:00pm. On those days. What happens when an officer 17 year-old. That's what they're doing. They say on my way home from work. I know it says that. You have to have the consent of the child's parent. Was that consent look like as a phone call or what
is it? I mean, I think that that varies by our that will lead us to put on like policy on having to get the reasonable basis that that defense or that exclusion is in fact accurate and true and they have a reasonable basis for that the Zeke, these activities that are in the code that are in the ordinance and has frankly mirror what the state law is. So religious events, things like that. So I I don't I I don't know what law enforcement does to do that. I think that their standard procedures and questioning for determine whether that exclusion exists okay. I guess I will come you're the chief assistant chiefs feedback on maybe a follow-up Europe here we'll
have we already had discussions with some of these parents downtown over the past couple weeks or what is the feedback of parents been like if we have been having those interactions? I don't know directly about the you know, most of the the kids that were in our custody were arrested for criminal charges. So don't know if there's been conversations of Sara Lee with with what their parents. I can tell you the feedback that I've gotten from parents around community is that as they want to see Enforce this and they want that accountability on parents. They want parents to be accountable. We I will tell you there's a lot of there's a lot of things that I've learned over the last couple years that are impediments to that. And I think everyone
needs understand what some of our children live with, what their environments are and the message that was that we get from these kids that know you're telling me to go home, but I don't want to go home. Here's why. Don't want to go home. And here's why come downtown. And here's why MR. I think those are important things to remember. Accountability matters and we have to hold people accountable. We will do that as far as the exceptions are concerned. You know, someone driving home from work like my the 16 year-old daughter and we encounter and they say I'm coming home from work and they say, ok, go home, then ok with that. We're trying to. To stop. Are those instance where we have groups of children, they're in constant fights run
around. Whether it's here downtown. Most of the time these incidents are occurring and downtown every day but has its own different dynamics and the law and the rules apply everywhere. But specifically when you have this many kids in one location a small area, the rules are going to be different in our our direction. And we're still putting together pieces because for years we didn't enforce the curfew. That was online because it was on the books because their juvenile court judge said no, if you bring someone here for curfew violation, you're going to be turned away, are not going to be allowed in here. The conversations were had last year with the current family court and they agreed that we
would they would start processing these individuals. Again, the court. So we're still working through all the ins and outs in the, you know, it is a complex thing, but it's the right thing because of the message is getting to the parents that their kids are staying home. The voluntary compliance is what we all want not necessary. The pennant, the stick, the character, keep your cart kids home so they stay alive so they don't end up in our custody for some criminal charge or they don't catch a stray round from a person adult her kid who decides to pull the trigger in a confined area with thousands of people. And that's what we're trying to stop here. And I don't anticipate or expecting that will be my expectation. The office of someone says I'm coming home from church service. 11 o'clock. And
that's just the kid in the car. They're walking it that that that they they take that for what it is. And if it's a phone call or we're just going to trust this individual go home. Thank you, Chief. I appreciate that. That you all are being tasked work that I think government is not equipped to do and something that, you know, unfortunately, just phone your appreciate everything you do. The boy. So you've been lending to Thank Thank you, Council. Thank you. Chief counsel Renee. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, fisherman dies of a few comments and then just a few questions. I appreciate the time you're allowing me and I assure you that they are germane to the proposal. And I appreciate you
offering this proposal, MR. CHAIRMAN. CHAIRMAN, the last a couple weeks or so. I've had the opportunity to reflect on the events that transpired in our downtown over the 4th of JULY and in doing so also reflect on the city's criminal justice strategies in outcomes. And most recently had an opportunity to reflect on these this curfew issue. Proposal. And while I do think then this proposal is a step in the right direction. I hope it's acknowledged. If we believe that this is the only step in that direction, then we would be fooling ourselves and I would just ask MISTER CHAIRMAN that this not be the
last public safety meeting we have for 2 months. I would ask that we would continue to bring shuns to the table. I have a few that I intend to not only introduce MISTER CHAIRMAN work with you directly on if you would be so willing so that we can continue what I hope will turn out to be forward progress. But I just want to highlight a couple of those things that I think can work in tandem with the proposal. That's before us this evening as amended things like redirecting violence, interrupter dollars and possibly putting them towards things like downtown place over time. Things like issuing a minimum of 3 emergency
response group squads downtown, specifically Friday and Saturday nights through the remainder of the summer. As well as backfilling resources in broad ripple in Casselton. I actually echo my colleague, honesty member, majority leader, for calling for those same things. And I hope that any action that is needed from our end is done in a quick swift and unified way to provide those resources if they already are not allocated. Additionally, I think that for the medication of cops officers to enforce curfew laws is essential and then counselor Bain as an amendment, you'll be introducing read and it or not. I think it's important that those words are read into the proposal. And and I think that's critically important for our officers. I will not
speak for them. That is my opinion. And I also think we need to re-evaluate directing dollars to groups like the 10 Point Coalition and others in the community to further our community assets. I think those are critically important things. I also want to know, MISTER CHAIRMAN, that I don't think that any of the bullet points that I just read off to you tonight. Originated in this building. And I think that it's important to recognize that this committee, this council in this city county building does not have a premium on all of the answers to all of the issues that confront us at this time in our city. We are. Obviously recognizing the next 120 days or so as a public safety emergency translated into
public safety crisis. And I think we've known that for some time. So I hope that we're able to continue forward progress and momentum and that MR. CHAIRMAN, this is a step in the right direction, but not the only step that we would take. And again, when thinking about criminal justice strategies and outcomes and thinking about the fact that not all of the issues and not all of the answers exist in this building that a criminal justice strategies and out comes commission would still be relevant today because I think we've made historic investments in public safety. And I'm very proud to have made. And then partner in those investments with my colleagues. But it's clear that the investments that we
have made in the strategies that we identified are not all producing the outcomes that we desire. And I still think that it takes a harder getting under the hood of the car, if you will, to really be able to get a handle on this for my questions, MR. CHAIRMAN, I would just ask whether it's from the police department or counsel Mueller. Can. Can you give us an idea of what issues? What problems, what challenges will exist between now and the time that this will actually go to the full council. Obviously, there's going to be about a month gap between now and when this new proposal goes into effect. So can we walk through how we are able to address the situation are continue to address this issue situation now, prior to this going into effect a little less than a month from
now. If anybody wants to take a crack at that. Faith So this is the chief you want speak to. I want people understand that still doing things this week and next weekend we can be for this week and we were doing things already. So to speak to are going to the process before this even pass the full Council. So I'll say that I have been extremely encouraged by the support that we've received from community providers. There have been so many that have reached out that want to be a part of the solutions with different ideas. And so we're open to continuing to have those conversations. We know that many of them are overworked. They have a lot on their plate, but they're still willing to be a part of this piece of the solution. And so I also know that they're very active. And so they're going to continue to do their things that the grass root level to address the issues that they
see prior to. Our youth are children coming downtown. And that's appreciated. A law enforcement will continue to do our piece. We will continue to be there. We continue to have staffing down there. We have dedicated resources to downtown because we do understand that that is where a lot of our juveniles are going. So we'll continue that. The best that we can while this is being worked through, we're going to continue to train our officers what they should and should not do as it relates to curfew. How to approach how to ensure that they are looking to see if there the juveniles that we come into contact with. Don't have any of those exclusions that are part of the ordinance. So we're gonna continue to work on that. So. We're going to do what we can.
Certainly we can. Thank you, Assistant Chief, Ali and MR. Appreciate you. That haven't come up, come up and explained that because I think it's important to acknowledge that there will be a gap between tonight's committee meeting in the full council. But that does not mean that there things happening right now. Resources being deployed right now and opportunities that exist to intervene and young people's lives in trying to stop some of the outcomes that we've seen most recently. MISTER, have question for you. And then just a closing thought. It might. My question for you would be if we could maybe find some time perhaps about halfway through the 120
day period that will be upon the adoption and the signage of the mayor to invite council beeler and the folks here today to talk about how that curfew law is going over, how the reunification process is developing and in particularly how that fine breakdown is. I think that be helpful. I know we're going to be going through budget season. We're gonna have a lot time. The tension on the budget. But I think we would really be best served if we had an opportunity that halfway point to get to get an update. Thank you. Council unable to find time for year to revisit how things are going once this is implemented. If the passed tonight and if signed by the mayor. So we'll find time do that for year. Thank you share
comments council. One closing comments go in and make very quick. There's a excitement in the city. At the same time, we have a wonderful event coming downtown. I think it might be this weekend with the wnba festivities. And I was driving in today and I saw beautiful graphic on the jw celebrating Caitlin Clark. And I think it's in a row. The Dow, I think it said from downtown in my town, Alyssa, photo of taken her kind of legendary shot. So from downtown in my town, I hope that our message and this meeting is in downtown in our town. You you ought not to misbehave. We're willing to work with We're willing to support were willing to connect you to critical services and intervene in any way that we
can. But if you misbehave, we aren't messing around. And I think the chief been extremely effective. And I think the city is extremely lucky to have this chief for this time on this subject matter. Thank you. Thank you. Council in a council comments or questions. Thank you, sir. Just quick practical question. I think it ties into some of the exemptions as well. And that is how do you determine or confirm the age 14 15 or 16 or for that matter 17 or 18 year-old who MAY not have a driver's license MAY not have any form of id, MAY not even be carrying a wallet. How do you determine the age of such a person? And that becomes
even more difficult to do, especially with lack of access to records regarding juveniles was a time when you could from the computer, pull up and get a picture of somebody if they had. At one point the juvenile center, we've lost all access those records especially photos and things like that. So want to take those particular as they come. At a minimum, we will take the individual down to the Juvenile Services Center the services center. Turn that person over to them and then they will. They will use their procedures to try to identify who that individual Why do we no longer have access to those new threat been court ruling
changes and they changed the systems and there's a shroud of secrecy behind the juvenile system that even law enforcement doesn't have access to. We got state law changed to at least allow us to have access 2 juvenile criminal histories. But even that is not as easy as it should be or has been in the past. Thank you, sir. Thank appreciate you, man. You and your team as clerk. Want to read the names and then also the statement before public testimony. Will reopen Florida public comments for the night remind committee members and the public a few ground rules so everyone can have a fair chance to speak and be heard is important that we each observe following rules first. Each speaker will be limited to 2 minutes. Second, any public comments most recently relate to that united under
consideration Thurs speakers who stray from item under consideration are become unduly repetitious. Maybe yes. Move to their next point conclude their comments. Finally it to to cause disruptions that prevent the committee from proceeding to tonight's agenda in a recently efficient manner will be live. Please remember this some types of threatening speech or incitement to violence are not protected by the First Amendment at all. We would do with those issues if they come up. But we don't think they will. And now MISTER CHAIRMAN, if a committee member asked for consent to that these rules, we can proceed with public comments because okay and we Andrew color read the first 3 Andrew Colin, Larry and Rick Snyder. Thank you. MADAM Clerk, thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN members of the committee of the option testify moneys and Rick Holland and I have lived primarily in the Mile Square
for the last 25 years of my life. 10 of those on Canal walk. Although I do work in criminal justice policy for a state agency and also teach policy you. I'm here speaking solely on behalf of myself. The past 3 summers living on Canal walk have been night and day experience. It is safe during the day and a chaotic, dangerous place at night. Last month as I waited for the fire department to bring in the big hoses to remove the blood from my front stoop. I knew it was time to get more involved. The team victims who had been shot were lingering along the canal at 03:30am. I have been frustrated at times irate with impd is lack of enforcement of the curfew statute. Imagine my surprise after several years of this chaos to recently find
out that it was civilian leadership. Who stopped impd from enforcing that law in a regular basis. It is evident to me that impd is doing absolutely everything they can with a woeful lack of resources. I have excellent interactions with impd leadership and I offer my gratitude to them for their service. I'm also grateful to Governor Braun and the state police for their assistance. The city should embrace that opportunity. To increase resources so that we have more proactive community oriented policing to deter crime and delinquency us instead of what we're doing now, which is intelligent driven incident
response and force model that's being used primarily, I would assume because less expensive. And to be clear, it Forstmann actions taken under the states curfew law is a delinquency action. It is not a criminal offense when a teen in violation of the curfew statue was taken into custody. It's for their own safety. They are being tossed in county jail. Indiana's delinquency system is designed to provide support and resources, but for the system to work, the prosecutor's office must be proactive. No enforcement action will be effective. MR. CHAIRMAN, I finished about a 3rd its revenue. Thank you. No enforcement action will be effective in getting root causes or addressing the needs of these youth. Unless we have follow-up from the prosecutor's office, the communities keep an eye on that. Other city agencies have major roles to play as well. For instance, the crime
prevention grants should go to evidence-based practices. It's something that we have done at the state level for quite some time now. I want to specifically thank council sleeve for his help for involvement as my Little Council has been very involved. And many changes have already started to occur. Administratively thanks to his involvement. Also want to thank CHAIRMAN Robinson for authoring this proposal, but it should not youth ready. Tragedies and frantic calls to city councilors to get city leadership to enforce existing state statute recent days when Forsman I agree. I have seen an improvement along now. So lets passes for as it quickly keep the momentum going in. Kids deserve better from all of The curfew was about keeping kids safe. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your comments for coming down. Appreciation. Yes, Slurve on, you know, the kids that we're talking about the night. They
don't care about what's going on in this room there. Most of them homeless are on the way to being homeless and they don't care about any care you're talking about. That thing is is to get a white police officer officer to injure or kill them so that their family can get a settlement. You police officer, you can see that trend taking place. In this community and throughout the United States since the George Floyd killing. Now, what I've seen here tonight, I've seen a situation where you're talking about wrap-around services, so call wrap-around services. What that is when a child was taken into custody for a curfew violation. Nobody's come pick him up. He don't have a home. He don't have a family to come and pick him
up. So what's going to end up as he's going to go to your wrap-around services. He's got to be changed over in juvenile court and he's going to be stream ago. That's what these people are here tonight that you applied it and called on him to come up. They admitted that they're out there after tells the rest that he's under duress. I don't seem care what you say. You either take this, though. Scorecard. Do pursuant to the chance. Chan's legislation. You have to take the dope or he can go to jail. That's what this is all about tonight. You see all the construction going on. You see the billions of dollars that the city is bonded toward these construction projects, not one training program. Not one industrial schools set up
in the This is the institutional project. You just wasted $500,000 right? That could get 1000 kids off of the street this summer. But you didn't let that happen. So we can keep on talking like we're a aliens or were on the moon or something. But the reality is the kids that these police officers there deal with it, Argo litter their all psychotropic, provided by the wrap-around services and so far and they're out there. They don't care about what's going on here tonight. A guarantee that they don't care about it. And you. But I understand that because they don't care, they can get their guns. And it's just a matter of time. Be something before something really checked.
Tragic happens. They need to have jobs. They need to have training. They need to get understanding of what taken a paycheck meetings, Frank, you know about work. And I know about one of them is right that. Let's wrap it Well, I'm just sayin been coming down here many years talking about the root of our problems, but all construction, we need to have an industrial school set up by the city to take a young man in and train them so they won't be out committing murder and having their bodies use for parts. Thank you. Thank you for your comments as Kurt. Rick Snyder. Can't. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, my name is Rick Snyder service the PRESIDENT, the Indianapolis Fraternal Order of Police. In that role. I represent all the police officers that this body is now
calling upon to enforce this ordinance. I've got some things to say. I recognize I'm limited by 2 minutes. I would also stand for any questions. Rick, you never take 2 minutes. So go forward. I've said this publicly. I just want to reiterate it again. Why appreciate what all of you are doing here tonight. It's too little too late. With that kids. And I think sometimes what gets lost while we sit in meetings like this, an air conditioning, underarm protection. In the security of buildings like this is we forget about the uniformed police officer in the detective that then has to stand over that dead child laying in the middle of the street. That has to go to that autopsy and watch that procedure be done. And do that night in and night out, day in
and day out. While we all sit around and chase our tails. Trying to figure out the small issues related to curfew while they're dealing with criminal violence. When you talk about what you're able to do with this ordinance, you've been able to do this for a long time. I didn't come here to chastise you, but I am here to make sure that the public understands that even with what you're doing here tonight, it's not going to take effect until the earliest next month. It does nothing to address what's going to go on this weekend. And it does nothing to address what went on this past weekend. We had 2 more children died in the city. And what I keep finding in this council and MR. Directed to you because you know this to be a fact. I've been coming to this podium
longer than any of you have been in those seats. And I've been saying the same thanks to you. And when I'm here to tell you is that our children need you to step up and talk about what's really going on. When you talk about your limitations by ordinance and what the council has icu pass resolution after resolution talking about taking a stance on this issue. And that issue, why on Earth can you not speak out about what's going on in our criminal justice system? We have made very convincing and compelling demonstration over years. Now that we have a revolving door and we have a broken system. We've called upon you to call upon our prosecutor and our courts. Who
their budgets do fall under your purview. We've called on you to address these issues and to call them for what they are. When we talk about why does this keep happening? The kids that are going to get picked up for curfew. They're not getting picked up we're not talking about a first time out running around state, out a little too late, getting in in childhood drama and trouble. We're not talking about that. This will help separate those. Those juveniles out. We're talking about criminally violent offenders armed with guns. Once again, there is something that Larry and I agree upon. They are laughing at what we're doing here tonight. This means nothing to them. It's a joke. And the reason why we have juveniles running around with guns in their hands. I
said in 2019 after 6 more people were shot in downtown 3 of which were juveniles. It is the adult criminals that are putting the guns in our children's hands. Why? Because they know nothing will happen to them in the juvenile justice system. That's a huge red flag that this council can be talking about and addressing. And you have got to do something on this. The last time I came to you and told you to take a look at these criminal justice outcomes, it was rejected. What's done is done. I can explain it for the life of me. I can't. But what I do know is there were 4 more juveniles killed immediately after that vote. I remember standing on the scene and looking around and watching families being destroyed. And I didn't see one of you out there. So when we're talking about these issues, I want you to remember
the caps that are in the field. That is why in this proposal, MR. CHAIRMAN, it is imperative that if you do this temporary timeline with these special hours added to it. The officers you're expecting to enforce it have to know that you are backing them 100% in That's why we've asked for the additional indemnification language to be amended into this. I know their drafts. It exists. I know the City County Council is strongly considering that. Some MAY say why do we need to reinstitute it into an ordinance when it already exists for officers? I'm just going to tell you. They have a trust factor with all of you right now. They haven't forgotten Twenty-twenty when this mayor invoked emergency curfews and when they step forward to make those arrests, they immediately met with the prosecutor that said, I won't
file anything on that. And we're putting them in a liability loop and they know what. It's no secret that there's probably going to be an injunction filed as soon as this is passed. And the first arrest that detentions that one of these officers make that's considered addressed by the state because you're taking him into custody. That officer is going to be sued. Not just as an officer, not just as an employee of the city, but as an individual as well. And then they have to walk that out simply because they're trying to save the lives of children. So why we say here and twist around about all this were twisting ourselves and pretzels to avoid talking about locking violent offenders up. That's what the focus needs to be on. So I am poor. You. I can't explain why we have this friction. But I I I do know
for a fact we have witnessed the misplaced agendas and policies that have brought us to this point. And I think it's safe to say are full membership of the Fraternal Order of Police. We fully support. Shift. Chief Chris Bailey in everything that he's doing and assistant chief Wally. But they are an appointed positions and they can't tell you they're limited on telling you everything that I can tell you on behalf of our street. Cops. And that is the system is a joke. The chief alluded to it. You just asked the question, counselor, Sir, MISTER CHAIRMAN counselor Boots. Just ask the question. Why on Earth can the cops not access records of juveniles that we have either detained for curfew or arrested before. Because we've allowed the courts to say as some kind of
re-imagining criminal justice that we're going to completely cut the cops off from that. There is no one that can truthfully say that makes any sense yet. That's just one minor example of the handcuffing we've done on our officers that prevent them from being effective in saving the lives of our children. So I just implore you in and really plead with you to take assertive actions and start asking the tough questions even of members of your own political party. As to what the is going on here. And why does this keep happening? With that? I'll stand for any questions. Thank. Thank you, for your time as clerk next. Thank Thanks for coming down, sir. You name him for the record. Hello. My name is
Chelsea English. I'm a school social worker here in Indianapolis Shortridge High School. Just really quickly, I want to say the events of JULY force have been brought up a lot. And I have to be honest in my 10 year career, I feel like I've been trapped in the 7 circles of watching the same. The events happen over and over again. So it's not just JULY 4th. It's been a long time and I'm sure the experts in the room as well who've been doing this for longer than me would agree. But Raleigh believes the curfew is important. I am here today to talk about another solution and hopes it will lead to more prevention resources from the city. I have found that punishment isn't the most effective way to make change and kids lives,
but they need hope believe in themselves and reasonable pathways to success. When we offer these things, kids make the right choices choose those opportunities. When do focus groups with students? They regularly said that a major part of the problem when it comes to community violence was that teens need more safe places to go during recreational time. About a year ago, I began planning for a project. I'm now calling Shine prioritizing safety, House inclusion and nurturing environments by hosting events after school and on Friday nights, we host of these events throughout last school year, including tailgates game night Open mic nights and dances. All of these events are planned did and hosted by
students for free and we provide food and assistance with transportation with Stephen Tear supervising. We have had great success with usually 50 to 70 kids attending each event. Many of these students have attendance concerns have substance use issues. I have already been involved with the juvenile justice system. But when they stay for events, we know we can keep them safe and supervised since MARCH of 2020 up I have sent 60 over 60 e-mails to local organizations business. I'm almost done. And Peaches and other city officials to request assistance with these efforts with a little to no response. My school district has been very supportive of this project. But at this point, I need support from our community to continue this
program just this year, I have lost 2 more students to gun violence and it makes me sick to my stomach to think what the adults in their lives myself included could have done differently to prevent these tragedies. So I'm here to ask for your help, even though I have not received a positive response is I would like from the city in my community. I'm not ready to give up on this effort because of positive responses from my students have made the hard work so worth it. This is a solution. The kids continually asked for and that is something I'm too stubborn to ignore. So I'm here to voice their thoughts and feelings to you all and ask if there's any way the city can help with this project. We're connecting with a funding source. I have some literature to I would like to give you about the program. Thank you. Thank you
for your time your service. Can I get to see actually hours to your right over there were taken. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. As clerk will call the next few names. Was last Get more. So we're going to go to get more. But but we have information, though. Just on those who want to no, I was just waiting to do with if there are questions or good. Thank you. Responses. We got information. We will come forward. Cars around Thank you, And I just was thinking that maybe if ph is director might an opportunity after the meeting link up with the individual just spoke. And then exchange contact information. See if there's anything that the city can do and looking into the program that you described. Thank you council. Thank you, ma'am, for your for your time evening,
sir. Your name for the record. Please. Thank you. My name is Khan. More first of all, let me say that I think to limit time. That is a way say. Public learned just showing up a really, really nice interest say thank you, MR. Center for saying what really need be said. What's coming down to downtown. Our criminal gangs enlisting these juveniles because they know and the juveniles know that they will not carry any record into their adult lives. The fatal flaw with action here. Is that we're trying to change kids behavior. But we're thinking like adults. You can't do that. I remember when I was 18 and my password. Palin, Downey
to get my act together. Most That's what teenagers are. What I would suggest. And I think we can do this. It is to require. Juveniles to have some for form of displayed id on a lanyard if they're going to be out. Late on Friday or Saturday nights, even past curfew hours. But certainly from 11 to one on the weekends. It's not going to be downtown. The broader point Cassatt and I've heard also MAY be problems. There's no reason they can't do that. And now finally, I'm going to say. Everybody has got a little piece that problem. Done my time. So MAY the gods of elected officials. Forgive me I say. And I think really to address this issue fully
inferno once and for all. We need to committee. Thank you for your time, for your comments are coming in this evening. Anyone else you want to in session. Thank you. Final comments which we have an amendment on the floor because the Grays has most of the flu and seconded final comments. Council scary. Thank you, MR. Chair Rick, I do appreciate everything you Chief Bailey's unit. Absolutely. Great job. But we create ordinances here. We don't control state The revolving doors in the sentencing all comes from the state. We have no control whatsoever of that. And I think everyone here needs check with your state representative and change some of the laws that Radisson scenes know, perros things like that. We do not control
those laws. Thank you. Thank you. Council Grace, thank you. Council has a great MR. MR. I think this really serves as an opportunity for so many more organizations to come out of the they're they're comfortable areas around the city and partner. I would like to know and So need or anyone else to to to ask these questions. But how can interested, you know, coaches of teams around the city, another dads groups across the city become more involved. Do they jump on the impd cut any dot Gov website or do they go to phs in some way? You know that that's one of the questions I have is how can they get involved or do they just come downtown and engage youth? The other questions that MISTER Chair is. I appreciate PRESIDENT Ciders a passionate response and every
everyone's response but I am like my colleague doing I am happy that this conversation is started. I'm glad that we're here. So we're not sitting idle. Identified a need There are some people that our morning deaths right now. And that's unfortunate. But I am glad. Yes, we could. We wish we would have had these conversations over the years. But we're here now. So lets move forward and let's take care of the men and women in uniform that are out there in the community. That's encourage all the community members are these coaches in all these different organizations in churches come on downtown whatever organize an intentional manner to be a part of the solution. And finally, MR. CHAIRMAN, let's
not forget community's downtown is important, especially the weekends like what we have. But we have our communities all around Indianapolis that are going to have to not be void of the same type of intentional attention. So we can make sure that every part of our city safe. Thank you. Think they're council Grayson into the first question of Phs be the first part. They can start a director. Merkley has been convening community groups the last few weeks on this topic. I phs the work through Hopkins is doing. Start regarding other folks want to get involved, engaged, councilor lead early, really to heart and then delayed and then we'll take a vote. Thank you, Art. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. And the one thing I want to just so it is what been saying. For years since 2020 those programs are involved.
But we've got to see what's working, right? We as a council, we keep funding these things. But we've got to see measurement because if we don't see measurement where we're seeing the crime were talking with, the crime were talking with the influx in crime were talking about pop-up tents and all these things that we're doing. But if we're not measuring with an affective, it's a waste of time. And it's not making an Indianapolis any safer. So I want to keep encourage everybody. Every one of the room to we've got to see these things. There's a limited supply dollars. We are looking at a reduction in the dollars we can spend this year. 27 million dollars. The first number that we're looking at. And so the first things that are going to go are probably going to be some of these programs. And so if yours is an effective, that is probably not going to stay. And it's it's got to be measured
because if we're not doing things that are working, we need to stop doing them. And that's something we all need to consider lead to heart during the budget session in the next few months will be sure to do with Be sure that those folks that are receiving those dollars, those programs to a phs aware of elevating grants waiver show the measuring sticks are using to see the We were told that for a while. So thank you for those comments. Counsel Lanny. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, this comment is directed at MISTER Snyder. And I just want to say that I do hear what you're saying about agencies that point fingers at each other really hold branches of government is the way that I see it. As a former prosecutor. I mentioned this to the police of chief. Chief of police. I'm all ears when it comes to Santa Solutions I I was a citizen here in
Indianapolis 4 years ago or 5 years ago during covid. I wasn't on this council. Sorry and a new member to this committee and to the council. And and I I do hear what you're saying because I experienced it firsthand is a deputy prosecutor we know with the police having one goal in the prosecutor having another goal in the courts have another goal and everybody sometimes feels like they're at odds with each other. And so I am somebody that understands that firsthand and happy open and willing to listen to that. I know we don't have time here tonight, but I'm definitely an open ear to that. And certainly understand that position and what you brought to. Thank you. Thank you. Counselor has been a motion on the floor. There's been second. It was clear to him to roll call vote.
Councilor Aye Council. I council votes lose counts are So just a graze graves. I how so hot I because it was scary. Get Mask. Kerry, I council comment McCormick. I counsel Mary. Answer Robson Robinson. I. Motion carries. Thank you, council. Thank you. Colleagues. Think those noise. Chief, appreciate you man. Assistant. Assistant U.S. Is to rally. Appreciate you. Those in the audience. Hopkins who appreciate you and your team out there. Volunteers are working this weekend. Most put to men and women up with pre should support Human Council meeting. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN and also thank you to whoever is up trying to get your attention appreciate them. Have my back. There's a motion to amend that's in front of everyone. Here tonight has with
identification of law enforcement officers. And we had a lot of discussions leading up to beginning of this committee meeting that started earlier this afternoon. And he's going back and forth on whether or not we want to bring us up. Just continue having discussions. What we wanted that to look like. After hearing the remarks of the return order of police. I think it's something we have to do so a move to amend proposal to 30 to 2025. But the leading language the stricken through. And had underlying language that we does follow adding identification. As required. And I see 24 13, 3 d and 5, the self by the actions taken pursuant to enforcement of this provision. I so move because I can council comments coming. MR. CHAIRMAN all be very brief because I MR.
Snyder summarize that much better than I could. I think at worst, what we're doing here is adding one sons of duplicative language that is written out in state statute. I think we should look at this is the trust factor that our law enforcement officers have with this body with city leadership. And they will see this as us taking proactive action having their back as they go out and they're the ones actually having to enforce this. No no one here. And this body actually has to enforce anything. We just sit here take a vote. So I think it's important we have the backs of those out there actually having to enforce the laws that we pass. So
encourage everyone to support this amendment. Picasso baby amended for amendment has been seconded council McCormick comments or questions. Council boots. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, I just want throw my support for this motion and even asked if I could be a co-sponsor. There's no such thing as duplicative law having researched the law, the more instances where you come across such important provision. I think the better even though it is a state law, it needs to be codified mechanized at the county level as well. So I too, would encourage our council to pass this amendment think has a boost. To be You want to speak to You spoke to earlier in your hope be MARCH. But
regarding this indemnification us speak to them again and this amendment. Yes, thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN. It well, yes, it's codified in state law. It also is also codified in our is in Section 2.92 dash one just to kind of be clear not to go down lead the discussion about defense and indemnification bite. Again, we're the civil side here at the city's. So that's law enforcement officer is accused of a constitutional violation excessive force. Those type of things we are different than the criminal justice system. That's not what we do. So just to be clear, there's 2 different areas. So I'm only speaking as far as the civil side of things. So as far as our interpretation of 2.92 dash, one, any law enforcement
officer lawfully enforcing the curfew. Any other law enforcement activity is represented and fully intended fight by the city of Indianapolis we're so if we if we pass it or don't pass it a MISS Piers, you want to be that as well. Past what happens? We don't what happens either. Can speak to that. I think got perhaps the issue that I'm not fully researched on and will do so is what effect it would have if we put in one provision of our ordinance, the end of it. Okay. Shun a special dedication cause with that somehow be interpreted as 2 affecting other city employees other departments? I don't know. I again, I buy if not.
You know, I think that would be supportive, but I haven't done enough speak out of turn, willing to look into this. You have 2 attorneys of here and we look for guidance from you, too. And it seems harmless like it's just too, because already have but sure committee members for the vote, our clear and what they're voting for and whether it's new to where those that need it. So Pearce was speak to that. Here's one of the first. Whether or not is needed is is a different question than whether or not what happens if we've got write If we don't pass it, that officers will still be indemnified. Again, if we don't pass that one, do not think was dubbed the state statue still takes PRESIDENT Over anything we do. We can't do anything too. A state statute, right? So states that it is that we didn't find
didn't find the officers we do pass it, if we do pass it, then what the Senate is redundant. But there there are times when you something that looks clear today. But 2 years from now, we read the statute. And when you read a statute or or a a an ordinance, a lot of times you'll say, oh, why did they say this year? But not here. What does that mean? And maybe it means something. So a lot of times things are said one place and not another, they can be misconstrued. So that's that's you know, that option. I don't know. I just think MR. PRESIDENT Snyder said that it would make his men and women of he represents feel better, more comfortable if we pass it, passes I'm good I'm good Like this. And that MISTER CHAIRMAN, I guess my my thing is, I like to pass the amendment. That council
proposed tonight. I think it's important. I think for the reasons that the counselor and the fop PRESIDENT Described our powerful impactful and meaningful except wrath. My only recommendation to council beeler would be over the of the next few weeks before it makes it a full council. I would encourage you to research it and should there be that that we should be aware of as a full council before we would go towards the final vote. I'd like to know it. But but in the meantime, I think we should proceed with this language as it seems to be such an important thing for our our boots on the ground. I concur. So know you guys have comments questions in if men and women supported? Korda PRESIDENT Snyder pass it and then we can revisit it before the full council meeting tonight to discuss innovative
they supported. Is going. So thank you, we do a roll call, vote muscular. On the amendment which has been seconded by COUNCILMAN. Coulson I. Accounts of council votes boots the high. Can I council graves. Council heart. The Council Musk mess. Gary, I Kelso Cormant McCormick. I counsel Todd Counts are upset. Robinson, I thank Motion carries. Thank you, Council Bayne. Thank you If your comments not on agenda, we are You have to vote on Sorry. You have to vote on the proposal. Now you voted on the amendment of those. We're not adjourning back in session. So we do vote on the we passed in the prison as amended so Kuzma coming.
Thank you. Thank you, MR. CHAIRMAN, I move that we send proposal to 32 as amended as amended to the full Council to do pass recommendation. Clerk and a roll call vote. Thank you. Council McCormick. Cancer cut Council Counselor to fight I council great, great Council heart. Cows to miscarry mass Kerry. I council McCormick McCormick. I counsel I count Syrups Robinson, I thank Thank Council coming. Thank you all. Have a great evening. We're adjourned