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many like that's where idea that's where the because I was there last. We got call next the store next So. Us which evening. And welcome to our Public Works committee for JUNE 11, 2026 and thank you to Pike Township for allowing us to come to your and for an end John son. And the hype town to the board for allowing us crash into your your area. We appreciate as for graciously walking into your building. We'll begin with introductions of counselors to off. Thank you so much. MADAM The honor is mine item counselor Crystal

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Wells and I represent District 11 just south of here in the far West side. Thank you, MADAM Chair, Nic Robertson for thank you. Your run gives. And just again. Thank you. MADAM Chair, just things for 21. Thank you. MADAM Chair, Chair Koegel District. 23. Thank you. MADAM Chair, Michael Steele District. 24. Thank you. MADAM Chair, Brian Mowery District. 25, thank you. MADAM Chair Jones, then District 3 Washington Lordstown ships. Thank you. MADAM Chair, District Court. Few guests, counselors that I would like to recognize as well. Thank you, MADAM Chair, process loans like thank you for allowing Same saying. And list 5. Thank you. And I'm Kristin Jones. Representing district 18. Oh, my goodness. Where we

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have one person he's fighting the stigma John Barth, our vice PRESIDENT, our counsel, as well. Thank you so much. I want take care of a little bit of housekeeping before we start 2 nights for our. committee meeting, we will accept public comment on proposal. One 91 1.92 But if you have come here tonight to make a comment or submit requests for a city concern or an issue, we have some staff who have clip words that have name address, phone concern. It would be happy to pass those around. You can fill those out. And I personally will submit those to the Mayor's Action Center for you tomorrow. And I cannot guarantee a solution or

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resolution for you. But I will give you my word that I will advocate on your behalf and submit 2 sons that you came out to our committee meeting evening. And we're very happy that you're here. If that is the reason that you're hearing only to have to sit frozen one, anyone and one 92. As you can see, we have a crowd and it could be quite So if you that something that you want to do this before the handed up one of her staff, a great staff members will come by the club or you can fill it out and you can get it back to them. I will be more than happy to submit that on your behalf and somebody will contact you. So thank you very much for being here this evening. So with that, we will begin closing number one, 91 2026. which authorizes the city acting to the Metropolitan

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Fair districts. Marin County, it's special taxing district existing pursuant to icy 3, 6 dash, 9 dash, 6.5 to issue every funding bonds and the amount not to exceed 1 Million. 21,015 1000 to refund. Any portion of the district's outstanding any roads metropolitan under a fair district refund Bonds series 2020. And Cruz unauthorized other actions, unrest, respect there, too. And that was a mouthful. So we have our expert here to explain what that is going to mean to Thank you so much. Thank you. MADAM Chair, members of the committee. My name is Joe I'm the executive director and general counsel of the Minneapolis ponding. You have to realize like a a case of that proposal point tonight one 91, as the chair authorizes the issuance funds

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top of for district. Amount of 221.0, 1, 5 million dollars to refund existing roads, debt. That's right. A little bit of background back OCTOBER of 2023. This committee endorsed that vw's, a five-year capital plan which called for the issuance of I-90 million dollars to finance capital street infrastructure projects in MAY of 2024. Of the council. The proof that 90 million dollar bond issuance. We issued 50 million dollars in JUNE of 2024 for projects and that you're 2025. And year we plan to issue the final tranche of the 90 million, 40 million dollars for capital projects has laid out to be double its capital group plants that 40 million dollar bond issuance has already been approved. But tonight we are here to discuss the proposed refunding bonds.

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So the bonds with that under resolution, they not exceed 30 years, but they actually the terms of bonds without change. They're issued in 2020. So they would expired 2040. The interest rate would not exceed 7, 7%. And we estimate present value savings of about 1.9 million dollars. So this refunding is a little bit front. Usually when we refine bonds, they are Kabul under the bond adventure. And that's usually about after a 10 year period. These bonds are issued in Twenty-twenty. Obviously it's only 6 years later. So this is what's called the tender refunding where we actually buyback individually from bondholders. The circumstances in which this is beneficial is when. Get a discount that price of the

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bonds were sold, but they're actually and we can a little more than what they're trading on. The secondary market. And so these bonds are issued in 2020, which, you know, is in the wake of covid interest rates are very low. So it's a situation where we can save money and also provide savings to bondholders. If 30% if 30% of the U.S. Twenty-twenty bonds are tenders and we could receive savings of about 1.9 million dollars. That is about a 5% savings. It's a policy of the by making the city to refinance when you can achieve a savings of 3%. So this is in line with that. Also provides that. So the timeline we went before the Board of Public Works yesterday held 2 public hearings. Obviously before you tonight, plan to go before the full Council of the JULY meeting and final stop of the

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bonding board on JULY? 20th. And then we plan to price in close in AUGUST. A Council calling Cochran from those Kansas our financial advisors, Sycamore advisors so again and are ready. But I trust you will be a U.S. Bank. And answer any questions of committee. Thank you, sir. Comments questions from council council Thank you. MADAM Chair. Thank you. Director. I've seen coming up recently and some other local units. I think Hamilton County did something similar 2 weeks ago is this our only. Fund or a group of bonds under the Indianapolis upon Bay. Or is this part of are we going to see several of these because of the the shift in rates? Is there more savings to go? Yes, this is the first under funding that that we've done since I've been here. I'm

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not of the bonding previously It's possible that could be other opportunities. You know, we that's something that we monitor. We don't have any any set plans to do another under bonnet of this point. But it's certainly possible that they could. Thank you, MADAM Thank you, director for your detailed report. The low 0.9 million dollar car industry's save his house and current financial market impact. Potential certain things could be different. So it depends on when we get pricing. You know what? Outstanding bonds are trading on the secondary market. So the value of those bonds goes up. It could be less of the to them. Tell you about those down. It could be more if we end up in a situation where we couldn't meet our 3% threshold, we just wouldn't. Go forward with the with funding. Comments, questions

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from counselors. Own fungal to speak impose Any one of the public who wishes to speak on proposal. One 91. A motion. MADAM Chair, thank you. It's been moved. Accept a second. Been moved and second into some proposal. Number one, 91 2026 to the full council to do pass recommendation. All those in favor say Aye. Say nay. The ayes have it. Thank you very much. Next up is proposal. Number one, 92 2026, which revises certain provisions of Chapter one, 21 the to amend the county's excise and will taxes to adding new division entitled State and local road funding for both proposal. Number one, 92 is not for a vote but a presentation polling and assistant majority leader in Nielsen will be leaving us to this. Thank you very much.

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Thank I'm sorry. Can would think? And I'm Adam Candace and I would like to give our PRESIDENT Maggie Lewis a few moments before we began. Thank you. MADAME Le. I think that anything everyone I know I shouldn't do shout outs, but can acknowledge some very important people in our space today. Starting with former trustee looked at Thank you MISS Pat for being here this evening. Our PRESIDENT And vice PRESIDENT The w thank you all for us being here and all the hard work that you do. Party each and every day, MR. PRESIDENT, what a waste of people see dpw. Thank you for everything you do for our community. Also, I would like

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to acknowledge Pike Township board members, if you would like to stand up. I saw Perkins. It's the people see bank. You thank you. Its peers and thank you. And then finally, not certainly not least add them trust and that Johnson, you like to rise? Thank you so much for hosting us this evening. And again, thank you to all of you being I do want to say a special thank you to our cfo, our chief of staff for all of your efforts of getting us here. All the council staff for all of your efforts and getting us to this point today. I also like to thank the council leadership for their efforts. Vice-PRESIDENT Parties all stand earlier wave earlier, leader Evans Majority Whip assistant leader Nelson, who you will hear from today. He has done a deep dive into this

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topic and look at the numbers and can speak said all the options when it comes to This potential tax Thank you. Assistant Leader Nelson also thank you to the 13 members of the council has signed on as sponsors of this proposal. That's far. I said this multiple times and continue to say there's no elected official wakes up and says let's raise taxes or let's raise fees is just not how we as elected officials start our day. But with that said, this is where we're at the one topic that we hear about each and every day we're going to get beat up on it. But get calls text messages, messages. It's about the infrastructure is about the road. It's about that. How is about our side while so it's the one topic

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that we hear about each and every proposal. Number one, 92 establishes a long term funding source for infrastructure and allows us to secure 50 million dollars annually from the state of Indiana. And I will say this as well over and over. 50 million dollar gift on the air flows that 50 million dollars come with some restrictions and encountering also walk us through that. But again, in order for us take advantage of that 50 million dollar grant from the state of Indiana, we have to act fast. So again, we are not we are not married anything. We're only interested in finding a solution and a long-term source of funding that we can tap into that will take care of the infrastructure in our community. If you have ideas,

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if you have this or not, obviously didn't you showed up today. We want to hear from you. If someone has a better plan, other ideas, let's talk about it. But again, at the end of the day, we know we recognize that we have to do better our community. Our city deserve roads and sidewalk. That looks better than what we have currently right. So again, I ask you to give us a little bit of race, but we're going listen to you want to hear your believe that collectively will come up with that. I will come up with a plan ensure that we can tap into that 50 million dollars and ensure that our infrastructure is better than it is today. So again, thank you all for being here. Madeline, thank you for giving me the opportunity to share a few words. I look forward to the conversation. Thank Thank

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you. Thank you for your time today. MADAM PRESIDENT, take you to a the Carolyn Jones of members of Public Works Committee community, my colleagues, everyone for being here this evening for this important topic. Think. The trustee like Township Advisory us into your home. So thank you. All right. Let's get started. All right. Next slide, please. So real quick overview of what talking about discussed tonight. I of current infrastructure, these current funding. We're really highlight, really. Number 2 is the why behind why we're here tonight use me what proposal one 92 does and how it is and how it fits into the broader council plan that isn't. It is honest

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reflection of where we are and the budget and we're ready to go to address the city's biggest concern next slide. Please. So transportation tax. Every us has large street journal conditions residential streets that regular concerns across Indianapolis. Well, the city invest in infrastructure each year making large networks wires, stain and predictable funding as the state Capitol regional units rose for residents years. Visitors freight. Emergency service public transit in daily commerce across central Indiana. The highlight infrastructure must be supported through combinations of recurring and one-time funding sources occurring funding that we're putting in the budget and additional

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predictable funding will strengthen long-term project planning and delivery. So if you've been following. The conversation and infrastructure in the city of Indianapolis. You ought to probably heard about this idea center lane Miles versus Les Miles. I refer to the presentation is total Les Miles mileage. Historically road funding formulas right heavily on Centre Lee mileage, which the distance from one point to another, regardless of how many road has. So, for example, in the state road funding which get to hear a second one Lee Road in the middle of nowhere, county's compensated for a 6 lane road in the middle of Indianapolis. That approach does not fully reflect the maintenance needs of the city like ours, where

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many roads have multiple lanes, higher traffic volumes. So we've kind of visually represent what that looks like that in perspective. If you measure the 88,444 totally miles in the city, we are only compensated from the state of the road funding formula for about 40% of those miles. It's next slide. Please. So this is the Indiana transportation funding formula for fiscal year 2025, this is the recently available publicly. And as you can see, there's a lot going on here. But I want to take a couple of minutes to try to really highlight how the city of Indianapolis really fits here. So all that yellow that you see most of that yellow are things that everyone in this room pace, we

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fill up the gas tank. Thank Steps when you register your vehicle with the a state excise tax. If you drive a hybrid vehicle, if you pay a fee for that drive electric vehicle, you pay for that. So all of those fees, all of those ways that we find that protection. Gets put into this funding for. Those green boxes that you see. That's what actually comes to the city Indianapolis, right? That's what the city of Indianapolis has an opportunity or does excuse me, receive funding. So that and that left side there. That is the crossing grant program, which we'll talk about a little bit in the second. As we go down to the lower kind of green goes off.

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That is the motor vehicle highway accounts. You keep falling across, you'll see the counties in cities and towns receive those dollars based off of and mileage Bay. So I know it's hard to see right now that mileage based. That's what I reference to the last. So we get 65% of the county distribution that comes from that fund based off of that inaccurate way of providing road funding formula to the city. If we move now over to the other side the Highway Road and Street fund that other green kind of calm that we go down. You'll a decision ultra right based population, there are different rules for different counties, but the private primarily counties are compensated by Centre Lane mileage over other factors. This is pretty complicated

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because that's more time on it. I would love to, but it's really wanted to emphasize where the city of Indianapolis receives funding in this. Well. Next slide, please. We also have limited local options for road work. The City County Council can act with options provided by state law. Most major revenue sources require state actions create redirect, expand or raise the amount that can be levied. Several of the sources listed below exist today. Did stated by statute to other protected by statute to other purposes, not necessarily state road funding. We talk a lot about the gas tax was aboard about the gas tax. Why we're seeing relief at the pump right now. Everyone in this room is actually subsidizing gas tax for people are safer about. Have to say throughout state as an example and some friends come in from

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his Pennsylvania a few weeks ago. They feel that their Honda pilot twice the state of Indiana and everyone in this room subsidize Wasn't that we do feel the pain the gas tax for the suspension of the gas engine actually has a financial impact. Yes, capital projects at the expense of the jurors. Tolling. States currently evaluating tolling. Again, we brought the state vehicle user these are setting collected by the state and they are passed through that web that we reference on the last I'm local government has control over that. The local vehicle user these a surtax the wheel tax, which is why we're here tonight. Parameters of those those levees are set by the state they're collect did when when individuals registered

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vehicles and they're distributed to the state of the county auditor, which goes the city of Indianapolis. So we don't the parameters for what those look like. But as we're doing in proposal, 92 we we are able to set those rates. I know conversation as it relates to Infrastructure, many, many members of the community bringing past and present the lottery. So that is awfully sent the collected by the state in traditionally had been used to fund infrastructure is also been used plug up the state cutting state excise rates, but it's primarily used to fund an unfunded pension obligations for for public employees. Again, the city is not involved in that. Other components like vehicle miles

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traveled. So being able to assess vehicles are actually using the roads most frequently or commuter tax actually payroll tax based on where you live and rework. Those are not authorized under state law. Local government has no ability to implement those. And then income taxes and property taxes again, parameters set by state. But the city of Indianapolis s those specific, great and important and income taxes as everyone in this room probably know You pay income taxes where you live. Not worry work. So all this together is to emphasize the very limited options that we do have either available where we can pull levers and what is legally authorized by the state and where some of the pressure

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points as a city like Indianapolis seas on a day-to-day basis on the roads that we all use. So now looking closely at what everyone who registers vehicle right now currently pays a vehicle user fee. That user fee was adopted local origins in 1992 and proposal. 91 92 update existing does not 3 so on one side, we kind of talked about this issue together as though we'll tax. But it's actually 2 separate race a few times. You only pay one for you, baby. So this surtax applies to passenger vehicles. Leiter trailers, lighter trucks and what they are based off of those 10% of that pre 1996 state excise tax rate. So again, the lottery ratings

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were used to offset that site for the state when they cut those rates in half. But they allowed the counties that originally adopted these structures. Allows to move forward. The county option. We'll tax applies to heavier vehicles, including buses, heavier trailers, tractors. Every year, trucks. So basically dry boil it down. Passenger vehicles, trailers 100 9,000 pounds and under trucks under 11,000 pounds. Everything else other tax again, you only get one of the other. Or tax rate must be applied uniformly to all vehicle classes. So we're unable to tailor the surtax directly to specific value of the vehicle, right? We can't charge a vehicle MAY be that

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spot you in $100,000. A different rate that a brand new vehicle. A 25,000. And those residential streets must applied uniformly to all vehicle registered we can. For example, provide a different rate to seniors or those living on a fixed income or small businesses of a certain size. Again, revenue is restricted by state law for road and street purposes only and certain vehicles are exempt. It makes sense government vehicles but are also people she for religious services funeral women. And as I mentioned before, they are paid at the time of registration and the new. The kind of summarize the previous 3 slides. This is a snapshot of the current 2026 dpw budget, which includes 257 million dollars in transportation, infrastructure, revenue. We'll tak serving as one of the

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center of several dedicated funding sources. So again, and that have that we walk through a little bit. We talked about the voter highlight how local roads, street distributions, including the gas tax. And then this is where right. We'll tax revenues relate in proportion to the city budget. Now as we move on to really why we're years the last few years as every hearing us General Assembly is past several years have been I think it exciting opportunity for city of Indianapolis because for years city, councilors, local leaders and administration, other state or holders have been working really closely with the General Assembly to advocate for road funding approach.

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That better reflects Indianapolis infrastructure responsibilities. So 2025 to his house or elect 14. 61 which set the stage for this 50 million dollars funding opportunity provided increase local surtax and we'll tax. Really we are now governed by Sen well at one 79 from earlier this which provides a lot of the eligibility match timing certification rules. But next year vote, pieces of code preserve that next year. We are eligible for that 50 million dollars. And I want to make quick note because 2025 the state of Indiana also passed to see one which was an attempt to address the concerns come stemming from rising property taxes but has prompted municipalities,

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including ours to increasingly rely on income taxes and user fees and budget efficiencies. In response, the city have the city county took measures during the 2026 budget process including budget or does that some sort of solution and the pursuit of ongoing deficiencies. These efforts continue, but they alone will be unable to address or infrastructure So housing Roy. 46, one, as I mentioned created the Apple is to receive 50 million dollars in new funds annually additional state road funding. Subject require local match. It also mean an important change which to the community crossings matching grant program so that taxes on from the slide of people reworked, how money distributed to local First, local governments around the state are still eligible to

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receive a matching grant program. A matching grant from the state incomes in this 50 million dollars just for the consolidated city. And then the 3rd thing, the formula now does is it distributes the balance of all of my left. So let's say that we don't use all the matching grant funds the state Utah National monuments. It's all going flow down here. Subject how the state puts money into a formula and the distribution of those remaining dollars low be based off of total a mileage instead percent or And besides that point, because as a service, Intial policy for the city Annapolis and will hopefully better reflect again kind of the in way that we have been distributing robust and then again, 14 61 increase capacity, which is the ability to tax right on the surtax and we'll time we talk about taxing capacity is not where we are going. It's what's on the rise by state. And as I

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mentioned this year, the legislature means number of really big changes to everything I just said preserve the ability for the state for the city of Indianapolis to receive 50 million dollars a year. Subject to a local match. Local match that require that that increases over time. So next year we have to match 50 million dollars you know, you In 2028 Lena Match, provide 70 million to get 50 to 50, 90 to 31. And beyond. The revenues that we do identify are able to carry over your front year. The city must also notify the state comptroller. That's the state auditor by DECEMBER 31st each year of the year. Prior to the distribution that it can provide the match identify where the funding is coming to us. Another

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important point because we have to actually. Show them now show where it's coming from. And I think and the size, the point that we use sustainable source and he's live the The opportunity continues until the first you that, you know, this can by fires I've been describing this. We're simply as their normal occurrence. First year that able to make the match. Plus, there's a change in state law. We don't get ranks. We might mention 27 28. 29 come up a little bit short. We don't get to come back in 2030, because money. And again, as I am 4 in maintain that the local match must be supported minute. If the match is a funding source identifies or by 30st, we obviously don't get that. There's no

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50 million dollar transfer. And MAY or MAY not be able to match the dollars again in the future. Another piece, it's all or nothing, right? So we do, for example, next year we put 25 Million. It's not that we get 25 I euro bourses 50 million dollars subject to that escalating requirements. So for proposal, one 92. And it's the revised code to update both the existing county vehicle surtax and the county will tax 2 fees that the state requires to be adopted together. Additionally, the proposal introduces new accountability measures mandated that the council received revenue estimates OCTOBER the first every year which conforms to state law and that state match requirement that goes the

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honor that needs to be provided to city council as well. Intend to make document public. We want to be able clearly show that you this is where the money's coming from. This is how we're matching that so that the community in the state all have the certainty that we are leveraging the city million dollar opportunity. That surtax again, that's 10% outdated table now goes to $100 flat does not increase by 100 goes to 100 and for the heavier vehicles that goes from those mix rates to $240. Again, one vehicle case, one charge. I did the surtax for the wheel taxed of. And again, the surtax must be applied uniformly to all vehicle classes. And rates must be applied uniformly to all registrants. We can't some

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certainty prices of vehicles. We cannot provide carve outs are targeted relief. 2 subpopulations You're we're just kind summarizing that a little more concisely. Again, owners eligible vehicles registered in Marion County the time of registration This be. The proposal is time vehicle registration against not a property tax not an income tax and to really emphasize this of those 3 tools we talked about the beginning. This one tool must be used exclusively 4. Cannot be used for any other purpose. Even if I wanted to use it for housing,

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we could Even if we wanted to use to build a fire station, we couldn't use this revenue to one 92 is is expected to generate a significant amount under this proposal, the city of Indianapolis expected to receive an additional 70.9 5 Million. So again received 15.7 We're expect received additional 70 point. 70.0 95 billion under both the surtax and the wheel tax. Other municipalities in our county would yesterday received additional 7.4, So not only does the state have a Formula Counties have So when we pay our county surtax a real tax spending on of the nation, it's put into its own formula. That is a distributed the city of Indianapolis and all of our

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exclusive cities and included talents based on 60% of popular Bay, 60% population and 40% total a mileage. So all of these distributions to the exclusion season includes the towns do not require any action by any of councils or mayors or advisory boards or town managers, depending on how they're incorporated. These are additional revenues that with those strictly straight straight to local units of government without any additional action. And again, what we are emphasizing, though, is that that it reflects the estimated share that additional revenue to the city. All figures shown are planning estimates. MAY change based off of that annual collections. And part of the reason we're really emphasizing the additional here right is that we need to

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identify new revenue of which this is one tool to do. So. And as you heard in the previous proposal are many of our transportation bonds are already secure by existing. We'll tax revenue. So that is exactly why we are focused on this increase for those who resist. So what's at stake in no actions? So doing nothing to stop cars, infrastructure means it would be continuing to manage a large transportation network while risking new state funding and face facing higher long-term maintenance costs without a certified match. The 50 million dollar, you know, transfer 1000 of a little bit of a little seasoning. And future lost, delaying investment does not stop

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infrastructure from Asian, become a feature maintenance rehabilitation, replace costly. No memory of any members. All members of committee, for example, times it easier to maintain the roads and they're doing that is to let them fall to a point to disrepair. Without additional dedicate a row revenue. The city MAY need to make difficult tradeoffs of basic services and other community priorities. We an honest conversation that if we don't do it via this method or a hybrid of this method, right, that we're going to be looking at the budget to potentially make some very painful cuts. It also presents a credit risks. So deferred maintenance and limited recurring revenue again, recurring revenue. That's money that's in the budget can create long-term financial risks, making future capital

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projects, more expensive. If you re. Any of the credit rating agencies. Evaluate either bonds or financial health. The city of Indianapolis, the overarching thing across all 4 credit rating agencies is the biggest financial risk to the city of Minneapolis is the condition of our It is the single biggest risks to our city. So again, this proposal. Is one component of a broader infrastructure funding strategy. I asked the council plans to come by local revenues, the funding and other resources for long-term investments streets, alleys and the transportation network. And it's a point and first important excuse me to emphasize that it's a plant. It's a public accountability that future administrations,

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future counselors, we are as the pleasure of serving in any of our capacities and use it as least a guide and a public accountability, a document with our community to say this is where we're trying to do and this is how we get there. It rejects the status quo. Says the streets the beaches. Like this. The table below shows of the council plan combines additional local revenue. The state match play mileage distribution, revenue growth budget efficiencies aiea right-sizing budgets agencies making cuts were necessary to support a multi-year infrastructure point. So again, we use this. Where is it is lingo, cumulative growth in budget decisions is again. We have existing property tax revenues. We have existing Ethan tax revenues. Those are where most flexible source of

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funding comes from. Does grow year-over-year. But existing contracts existing capital plans. They obviously are rely on some of that gross. But we do believe that if we're going to the community and saying part of the solution to infrastructure problem is asking residents to pay more that we have to be committed continuing to do the hard work finding money through existing sources to put towards infrastructure. As an example. Just last year, even facing the first Year of sb One of those impacts to local government. We 5, 50 million dollars and efficiencies and were able to find additional 10 million dollars to put towards of the We anticipate that we plan on playing out for excuse me this year and

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putting an additional 10 towards that. 10 of the next year and 15 in the out years. So that's what you're seeing in that first round. That's the hard work of budgeting and looking agency requests and right-sizing addressing concerns and addressing again the largest risk we have to the city of Indianapolis. Second row at 70.9, 5 number us that number, we're projecting to raise addition next year. The reason that you see that grow nominally not that much over the out years, this because it's really difficult to to model how the number of registrations in the county or in a change year over year. So we do believe that directionally are we to believe that it will increase over time? We're also saying that order to reach that mash in the out years, we have to continue the hard work in our

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budget right-sizing things in allocating resources in that way. So that local revenue number. That's the number that we're baseline against the state match. Incomes in the state match. The lane mileage distribution that 4 billion dollars. That's estimate from dpw last year. So again, that form and we talked about a second ago matching grant program 50 million dollars to say to to city of Minneapolis is The rest of that money goes to that better, more equitable funding formula think it's passed down to the city. And then we plan on using that to actually fund projects that we're putting in the capital plan because unfortunately many of those projects are not fully funded. And what we also know and every single

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counselor here knows that oftentimes, wow, addressing the thoroughfares are critically important to our city that residents are feeling impact of not putting more dollars for suspensions. And we believe that to be a top priority. We also don't have a dedicated revenue just extend life for sins of counselors who represent even like the old city of Indianapolis alleys are critical. Part of the transportation network. And there currently no money in the budget for hours. So again, over the five-year period, we believe conservative estimate is that an additional 856 million dollars will be spent on. Indianapolis writes. Structure plan supports currently identified project

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program for 2027 to 2029 and then provides more than 200 million dollars annually in new permanent infrastructure. Funding beginning. It will be. Successful, the largest investment infrastructure the city has seen so far on a per minute basis. A recurring infrastructure needs are often supplemented through one time pistol actions which can make long-term planning and project scheduling more challenging, providing a more predictable funding source for recurring infrastructure means again in the budget while preserving flexibility to address emerging priorities. Through the spring festival, et cetera. And, you know, better process will allow us to can chip away at our infrastructure With that. MADAM Chair. That's we are administration Finance Committee 2 evenings ago

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before this committee tonight. Know the rules of Public Policy Committee next Tuesday for a similar conversation. We are also actively working on ways to have some additional commute, some additional community input. And this would go to the full Council on JULY 6 for a final vote. An important part of the timeline is order to receive that new revenue next year. Changes need to be in local ordinance by SEPTEMBER. 1st of this year with that room. I appreciate the opportunity to speak before you night. Thank you, Sister Majority Nelson for thorough presentation. Say you're diligent on that. Questions comments from my colleagues council Wells. Thank you so much, MADAM Chair. Thank you. Encounter new where your presentation I

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could work currently. Taxing with this real tax revenue at roughly 15.7 annually. And the idea is to move into roughly 71.9 annually in perpetuity. No, if you would be it would be 15.7 Plus 70.9 In bid for right. And that's what made makes out years estimates because they suffer registration to us. Thank you. And MADAM Chair. I think maybe to clarify. The word match and what that means. Typically. Like in grand writing, if you have a grand match, you put forward certain amount of money, get the exact same amount back. So can you clarify annually? We only can get 50 our we have an escalator. So in 2031, we put forward 100 million and the state will give us 50. That's correct. Okay. So it's not really true.

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In my opinion, but that's not really a Catholic. A question for did? Which yeah, but I just I think for people in like it's a bit of a misnomer to say match, but I understand counselor meals and he's using the only legal language. And so that is something that I marked in my notes, MADAM Chair, I will. Tell you my question is about costs not only to the city but also local units of government and so. Forgive my ignorance and you MAY not have this survive. I know our school bus registration, please fire apparatus on city county government owned vehicles. Do those all of those vehicles applied to this new policy? So all vehicles registered

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by state, local governments are exempt from the surtax and we have times as our school buses and could be used violent religious organizations. So the budget impact for them. 0 because of those exemptions. For the do that council wells, impact is these local use, the government would actually be receiving additional revenue. Exactly. I think that's yeah. That's that's a big deal. Ok? And then you said there's only 3 options for us to consider as a council the vehicle user fees in time I attack level income tax lived. We refer to it and then property tax, which we know is already a bird. Are those the 3 sources? Yes, on on the revenue side, those are the 3 was which we have specific levers that we can. with property tax probably most challenging to actually generate additional revenues. Thank you. And I know like

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a lot of the surrounding counties roughly like on par with us currently in that $40 range. I is that true. Do you know that offhand without part of? Yes. So Some of the donut counties. We have a we have a mixture like, for example, not far from your view actually paid school rate in the county rate. Likely that pain. $60 in total on their surtax each each camp, each municipality are kind of doing that differently in the way that state law change in order to get that matching grant program that first part of ccm g's me to cross a matching grant Eunice of how these

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counties have to adopt. We'll tax to be eligible for that case. So that's why you're seeing a lot of energy on this right now. 4 we were we were obviously we didn't have to next or don't. That's what you'll see. A lot of I just saw Terre Haute is working as well. So there's there's a lot of activity on specific levy for other local units of government right now. Thank you, council. Yes, and really appreciate that. Thank you, MADAM Chair. Thank you. Council wants. Thank you, MADAM Chair thank you. Notes bills and civil air is really questions. In budget for savings in the budget would not qualify or go toward a match to meet definition of new revenues. Correct? It could. And that's exactly it could good. So that's I think we're looking at what our options are. Right? And that's why. We absolutely can do to do the hard work of finding fighting official season. The budget dedicating future growth to that purpose. Because of what

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we are already seeing because of sb One. And don't try believer that point on St want to just has made one challenge, right? And we should continue to be looking but he's revising that really the slack. That is there in perspective. We have a 1.7 billion dollar budgets of which only about half a billion dollars. Actually has the ability to be moved around for other purposes strength that can be taken away from police and fire can be used towards infrastructure can taken away toward a housing investment to be able to towards infrastructure. So we can't do that, right? That's part the council plans is also doing. But there still is a pretty significant challenge in this growing. Mask requirement MAY or what saying. Yeah. that's that's a good segue win. Next question Mike Some of my Can you put slide it

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back up? Please. When we look at See you right now. This were to be implemented and we would or 7 or a 50 million dollar match. 27. We also meet the match 28 because doesn't show the escalator here. But just that yes. And every out years. But the match goes up. The escalator is 50, 70. You go 80, 9100. Correct? Yes. If will taxes only get a raise. Roughly 71 Million. That'll get us through 2018. Where's that extra? 10, 20, 30 million coming to match the state escalating Yes, that line right above, right? That's doing again. That's the point. I

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emphasizing that of that. They're there is a hurdle in being able to get dispatch. We believe that hurdle to be 70 million dollars of which we owe it to the residents to continue 2 find those efficiencies in the budget as current revenues grow continuing to dedicate toward the match as well. So it's it is a it is it does give us a 2028. But the way we're finding now is we actually funding them at. But still think there's any lack of needed infrastructure in city as well. Sure. 28, I'm sorry. 29 30 31. We're going to be relying Increase efficiencies. Mean, Colts equals new revenue. New revenue generated just by

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growth. Correct? We confident that is going to be enough in those 3 years of our fun, you plan to meet meet those numbers. If I could predict the future being a lot more money But I write that. So that's subject to the economy that subject to a number of factors, which is why we're trying to aggressively get to that match, right? Because we don't know what the world's going to be light at the end of 2020 to be we that and the county will that could good as we could be another pandemic right thing. This is such a big opportunity for the city of Indianapolis that we really need to be doing everything we can as soon as possible to be able to get that match because

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we don't want to get to 2030 and oh, my gosh, now worth 15 million, 20 million dollars off of this match because there's been a different income tax receipts. There's been a property tax assessments, right? And now we have to make more harmful tucked inside the budgets. They sir. going to Please Just make sure the numbers. Talked about 257 million in transportation, infrastructure revenue. But these funding sources here only come to 206, points tied. Sure there's an There is answer for that. So there's money fund that we get from my gran's too. Couldn't. This our major fines. But there is lots of other because if we get money

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from the federal government, we give money the state. That's not a part of this so that this is major funds and these are what are often associated with fees. The consumer, constituency. And this is revenue being generated were receiving versus grants. So like part of dpw budget storm water comes out of their solid waste comes out of there, which is our which is trash service, right. That's also fees pay. And so this is just capturing the slides and captured a resource that makes up the 2.57 Just capturing the sources that our constituents are familiar with. Thank you, Matt Sabo, Maui.

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Thank you. MADAM Appreciate the presentation here this evening. So a lot of work gone into this. I can appreciate I MAY not agree with that. I do appreciate what you put this. I'm curious on tonight, people Health Council wells earlier with asking who is included in the heavy vehicle be. Some like Indigo included in that And then I'm also curious. And number done any kind of forecast, you you know what the number of like trucking companies that are in Indianapolis because we have well, thought of those and slow couple nights ago, as you know, we have a huge Fedex hub, huge ultimatum, either one of those are based here. So they don't pay that because they just come through state.

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Thought about how many what that number looks like and what number. That's what from Joe in here the other night was that, these companies will change residency to somewhere else. You know, maybe County. Is that's chores in this that impact the mix. That's a real Real possibility with this book. Doing this to 40, but also that 100 as well. So someone moving their business for county. Durham area, that's that's a valid statement. I think it's it's it's hard to also. Predict how that behavior would change. What I what I would saying. These are obviously the vehicles that are doing the most damage to the streets. They have been paying since 1992. Less. Passenger vehicles have been

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paying. Didn't it? To emphasize that again. And want bring us the want to. That's the one providing essentially a Elimination of property tax on all of order to balance our books and meet our needs, right. There is a shift across the state of Indiana to move towards to come from him taxes to these user fees. And that's that's just candidly what we are attempting to do. I can appreciate that. And I mean, fact, in the day those that it's not going change the usage of how much the turn of the roads if they leave the county and then they go do register somewhere outside the county. So I would like to know better idea of how many are actually in the county right now that we have to collect this from. As frankly, I don't. Think face. Trucking

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dump trucks and middle of the night that but I'm curious how many of those types things we have? What what's that? That whole number of those those will be collected from those trucks. Yes, so we we estimate that there are approximately 23,000. Vehicles are at or equipment that are subject tax. Across those classifications cross that heavy trucks across the have your trailers accent or so like, for Yeah. There are approximately like 7,000 heavy truck category, approximately 9,000 and the heavy trailer category. I think I'm doing my mental math. Real quick. So that is a perspective. But

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there about 792,000 registrations that are subject to the surtax than the city of Indianapolis. Not exclusively portion. And then again, another 23,000 who are that are subject tax. Officially they I hate to see downtown. I see so many places that are, you know, for the south you know, they can for binno business fronts and sees more with a look at some of the outside of the downtown area because it companies that are with these heavy vehicles leaving the county as well. Yes, and then that's that's a real concern earlier. And that's why I think we're. really emphasizing that and a perfect world. We have a vmt system that actually than matter. Where you the occult was registered. We would think would matter? You could be registered in Monroe County

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and. In Irvington my way, right? You're able to do that right? He actually count the usage. Outside a system like that. Very, very prescription state laws which I you know, I'm all yours for. Companies have the ability repatriate their their their vehicles to account. That's absolutely. And that's terrorist under the current structure. Don't think goes away under new structure either. Thank Thank you, sir. Thank you, MADAM Chair and thank you. Council knows that they can see a full for being here. I want to say MADAM PRESIDENT and the 13 members sign on to. This proposal of this, the tough. Helpful because, you know, has any of our members as number the council morning, anything I calls about infrastructure. It's from 9, 9%, to call more anything.

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It's about infrastructure. Inflation. I cost everything's expense right now. My constituency being working class and seniors, I know how I know. Thank you. Take that hit. Increase of $100 more on their property license fees are to avoid women. Wonder Mayor Hobbs is he's got a good point. Where he believes that. He he can come up with the 50 Million. New get that additional 100 million dollars. And 2027 starts. Process. I know that the law says that there's continued Meaning it is impossible for us to maybe right now about increasing tax fees MAY be considered as suspect year to get to the spirit inflation guaranteed to have the 2022 with 7 funding based on their

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houses. Furious. So I think first. Just to be just direct direct counter gives. And part of reason our our streets look the way they used to cause. We haven't had the political courage. To be honest about where when we need to go. And that's indictment on one administration. For one counts. I think there's never a good time for this kind of conversation. I think the PRESIDENT Outlined that very well. Opening remarks. But there's a lot on the line. Getting a 50 million dollar. Match investment grant, how we will use seeing a lot of ways is is huge for the city. It both a financial issue and a policy issue. Also a political issue. I think it demonstrates the Bility city of

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Indianapolis and the state house to work together on something even when. The control both of those buildings MAY be different politically. I think there is an inherent risk to the mayor's plan. We cannot tell the state at the end of this year that we have the money. It's not to say that it isn't idea, but I as measured in processing the spring fiscal this past few this past week, we've heard this and finance. There was only 30 million dollars available for the supplement 34 million dollars available for that distribution of which 12 million dollars had to be used for a new operating expenses and which we had to put back. At least 7 million dollars to offset the loss to the capital plan due to the gas tax reduction. So if we

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were to play this year out, there would not be enough money in the spring fiscal. And so will we be doing right now is we be amending the budget? We will be making. We'll be making quick cuts in order to meet the match. That's not a sustainable way. And I think that that poses serious a cascading risks. I don't think that we're prepared for you know, I do appreciate that. He said something, but I just think that what we need is we need honest conversation with our community about where we are, opportunity that we have sharing that future councils and future administrations really have the ability leverage tonight. I appreciate you look at you your overall. Funny structure, upswing. 31. You really count on significantly. The a portion

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of budget The mayor is are you saying yes, part of the source coming up with the 2027 wishing to get the 50 million domestically. The total $100. You know, I think we look at If you map out. How you but budget officials east for the next 5 years you go from. You go from 20 million in 2020. Is call with the 75 million 2035 day one. For 75 million dollar fish I guess what I say is it appears the mayor it has a strategy that you also incorporate in the strategy here increase the wheel tax. Was asking why can't we? Paul's one years and see if the mayor's plan work. Because if it's not successful, we won't get the to in there and the risk. But that is that is at the start of the losses. Continued

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eligibility. Is there meaning that if we don't get it this year, can still track. And for the next, know, you stand, it must be use. And in most areas guns. If we do not match the money, we are ineligible for it. But at the start 2027 matching okay. Yes, yes, it. We've got to. 27 will be eligible. 28. Yes. I just think just want to emphasize those deadlines. I just don't know how we can say at the end of this year, that money is available in unknown distribution coming from the state. Don't know how our city is able to communicate with the state's 8. Here's where we have the money. Here's where it's coming from. When we don't know until the first week of MARCH, how much money coming from that source? Doesn't mean it won't be there. I hope We should be using as much money as we can

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towards infrastructure. We have a plan. I think that that's looking one year at a time when the state is being very clear that they are looking at it 5 years into the future. So it's a compatible, use of a thing strategies. And I I think it sends a weird sales. The state. That we're also not serious about leveraging this right. And so again, I think that this is a this is a multi-year plan that others look to and make better. But it also ensures that we are not leaving that money on the table. And I think that that is what's so critically important in this moment. What else other councilors to kind of think through that as well. I appreciate that. I guess what I'm saying is I think we keep it on the table. I think increasing taxes. It's got to

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be the last one. Current financial inflation environment things are just too high right now. Pierre. Yeah, I have. How important that you get if you get. Japan little ways and that's not enough. Just I can't imagine trying to play license fees on So I appreciate the dialogue and thank you for him Thank you, Council Bill. Thank you, MADAM Chair. Thank you. Council for he talked about need to is examine both public and private schools. yes. Was Yes. A school bus of start temperature down. That school buses are exempt as well. really all all all vehicles use for governments for

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probably a better way of what the bow on that local. Yeah. So then just a clarification. You made the comment either on the wheel tax for the excise tax Todd Bowles, but it's per vehicle not So if I technically on the passenger car, that's 1000 pounds rv, I'm paying hundreds for the car into 40 for the part of in that example. Yes, okay. Yes. And then another clarification. So we hit. We hit the 50 the first year. We have the 50 the second year. We don't hit the 50 the 3rd year. We can apply again in the next to you. That's that. That's correct. It's That's Robert s. I just

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want to say thank you. Councilor Nielsen and our cfo and all the rest of our county for doing this. This is by far the number-one issue here about on tenure Council over the last years. I wanted to mention something actually did a survey of my district, my constituents to my newsletter and through social media and have people terrified or addresses and it's late. 80% of people that I asked in the survey supported this. In that the number one point that was mentioned, which I think a very strong point is that the amount of people it replace their wheels and rims every winner exceeds the amount of 70 $80. The average person would increase. And to me, this would be a generational mystique, not invest in our cities roads than one point. You mentioned a couple nights ago. 2 things worth bearing is if we don't do something

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substantial to increase our investment in our roads, I think we'll be looking back. And 24 year, 22 the same man. There were no roads were so great. Indianapolis in 2026. Ltd was worth taking that right now. Right? If we don't take this seriously, our roads are going to continue to deteriorate. And to me, the status quo be shaken up. And also to your 0, 2, s p cuts road. We have to leave budget there. People just be tight. That's the reality of this. And yes to that. But also again, make our investments we say no to stay on It MAY be a real mistake. And I think one of the things that we've heard about the night, 2 people feel like the South side gets ignored. The West Side story, the Senate's nor just North side deals like the north gets ignored to Everybody thinks they're going north. But if we don't do something on this, we will continue to see

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disinvestment disinvestment, every neighborhood. So to me, this is something that I do think is the right thing to do it. A lot of critics is taking a lot of work. And as you said, there's not an easy time to do this, but I do truly believe straight. Just so thank you very much for the work on this. Thank you. Amount started so quick that. I've heard a couple times, especially after the couple going tonight. When you said we don't get a mulligan on this, we don't get a do-over. So to speak. But also he said they MAY or MAY not come back. If we don't meet the minimum it's getting confusing. I would just encourage and in future presentations, see that one of the others not come back. They could there not come back until they are. They are. So I just for the sake of everybody and know, if we don't make it, we lose that.

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It's done. It's gone. So when you're 3, we don't match that. Make that match. It's gone. It's done. Think is. I hear you say maybe not if we don't make the match that just some of I 3 sheet I can safely do get the match. I think all of us will be over the state house trying to find with anger. That's size, but I appreciate the Thank you. Thank you, thank you. MADAM Chair. I want to build on Counselor Gibson's comment about the mayor's plan because, frankly, I think it the mayor has done all of us a real disservice because I personally believe that there we can get there through cuts. I do believe that action. But I asked in this committee in the budget hearing last year. Why if the mayor was so confident that he could make 50 million dollars in cuts under sb One's future projections of how difficult it was going to be. Why did we

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only put 10 million dollars more instead of the 50 that we were so confident we'd be able to do we haven't seen him play. And I think that's what would I do think is very frustrating. Is that the timing of this, too. We have to make a decision on this by a certain date to communicate, as indicated to the the state auditor of the state. Could we have to deliver but 4 to say if we're going to change our tax rates for the next year. But the challenges that the mayor has set up a time line that will not reveal his budget and what could or could not happen. And so after we have to vote on this, and that's really been a real disservice from mayor's office

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on this because if he believes that he can find 50 million dollars. And I I like I said, I actually believe that can be done, but I think he owes it to everybody to show this to 50 Million. I can come up with on JANUARY one, 2027, not not from what I've heard rumors of potentially maybe 20 million 30 million and then was a spring fiscal because as we saw just on Tuesday that there are any number of things. And alluded to this that is extra money goes to schools are always extra money because of extra revenue. That was not budgeted for that. We did better. But we for years, better years than we anticipated. But swings both ways spring physicals can be negative. We can have to cut

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things and refund things because there's a recession or something really the City County Council's control. Some national economic condition. Could cause that and to go into something that you point out that if we don't have the money. With a possible future spring fiscal is a real gamble on top of all that I so I think the mayor has really done all of us of the I just want to make sure that everyone understood. Thank you. Thank you. Council meeting. Thank you, MADAM Chair and thank you, counselor Nielsen for the presentation hour when he said that, you can tell a lot of work went into this and want, you know, that's appreciated. I was like to think of tax increase or raising taxes. Is the government saying we know how to spend your money better

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than you do? It's it's not to say we shouldn't have any taxes at that we've always had taxes. And they're a necessary part of government. But what was the process like to determine? We need to raise taxes that you go through the budget to go through every department. Look for efficiencies. Look for cuts. Just couldn't find anything in there. For now, we're here looking at raising taxes. What was that process like? So, you know, having worked on that 2026 budget and right-sizing a lot of unknowns in that in that process, right? Able to find that to those 50 million dollars in cuts. And we understand that would change

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is made with House rule that 12, 10 earlier this year that it could even more challenging but I think to emphasize on the timeline, even the comments from councilor Cahill, we're at a point with which. Our backs against against the law to to really be able to do something right. And so again, with that escalating match, especially in That was that was generally the thinking, right? It was that we have to be able ot you down. And if we get to the budget and we find that there's an extra 50 million dollars that we should be putting infrastructure. I would say we do. The need is so great. I know you do this very well. Worked on this for a long time. Need is so great and we have to do both those things. And that's why I hope

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that come 2031. That 855 million dollar number is. We are in the structure will be better off because of that. But we're in piece where what's the risk assessment that we want to Do we want to hope that growth is there who want to hope that we can find those deep cuts to do also put projects like new fire stations, providing new police cruisers and equipment being able to invest in our parks, which are critical of all the life of residents in our county. I think that some of those are false choices right? So I just think that we're going to have to do both. But the risk is so. Real opportunity so large we have to take action. Okay. So. I think there's probably an

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answer in there somewhere. you know, I see we have 20 million dollars in cuts for 2027. You already have an idea. What those are. Not exactly we have to see is that we have to see where where the growth is that actually be too. We won't know that until. Feels like JULY, maybe on Ok, feel like you've done your due diligence going through the budget, going through every department. Going through every line item fund. To see where the cuts could be before we come forward, asking for a tax increase and I don't want to put one person you on the hot seat 0.7 billion dollar budget. But your name first on the proposal. Appreciate the question. But this, you know, I'm very motivated by these

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issues. I think for that's that's what the budget process is. Absolutely for. I think we have to accept that 2 other things that have been going on that we have to take a deeper look at how some of our agencies are being funded. And we can't ignore that reality. But again, when we find those efficiencies, I hope that that 20 million dollar number, we could collect the votes necessary to be able to raise Okay. Do appreciate the transparency there. Do want flag it. I think maybe timeline years a little off where we do do diligence on our current budget after we raise taxes. I feel like that's certainly something that we want to do beforehand. Couple things off. Time ahead.

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As we spend over a million dollars a year on a dei office wheeze spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a glow in the dark trail, an apartment. Meanwhile, people are recognize ul's tires on our regular streets. And so I think that would use of our time. Going back to the actual dollar amount. The $100 and the $240. Where those numbers come from. Appreciate that question. So again, I think the 70 billion dollars It's closer look at the 70 million dollars 2020. That's really what was seeing that Being able to get to that number would be able to set up. Future councils and ministrations with the stability and needs to be able to get the match. Right. Gonna have an election and it is a responsibility to make sure that those dollars are there

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for that time. So when we are based lending to that number. Then we said okay, where the vehicles are doing most damage Just have your vehicles and ash that rained to generate 5.9 million. And then the algebra. So that's that's that's the plane. Thank Thank you. See that. It was just Sounds great question. I do appreciate a pragmatic approach to infrastructure funding when it comes to so much, I think up a lot more than $240 because you know, after easing passenger vehicles to $100 so much. Does a lot more than 2.4 times. The damage that a passenger vehicle does. So I think there's some nuance there. I'm not someone that says I know from the get-go, Emma know when we have them do on the current spending to figure out where come up with. Was a proposal introduced last year

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that how we can come up with 225 million dollars. Can you can? You can can. Can you confirm general fund dollars can be used to this. Absolutely. That's that's so again, we have a we have a 1.7 billion dollar budget. If you went to property, taxes are levied Taxes are levied and collected. There are general purpose dollars comes from both of those. A napkin math. That's outs. Right? Under 600 million dollars. And that 600 million dollars is also right now being used to. Subsidize other dpw operations by police cruisers, bill fire stations, but parks, right? So it's about a 3rd of the budget is kind of most flexible

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source, if you will. You know, I think that concludes my question one brief comment is the. I do feel like for the area. I think the mayor's even come out and said publicly this is a necessary to come up with the match. It's not necessary to come up with. The mats in perpetuity. I said last year high the previous year. How you can do that. Think we're jumping the gun here on. It's not necessary. Already was I feel a high tax high interest rate hike cost economy right now. I think there's a lot of things that we need to do before we ask residents of Indianapolis too, continue to pay more. When I agree they do pay a disproportionate share. And their funding already due to road funding

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formulas. When I went to the state house last year and advocated for this I'm not looking for credit for it, but I do just want to say I know what I'm talking about on this issue because the match was my idea. The legislature decided to support that and I agree that it takes political courage, but we have to have the political courage to look at what we're spending already and I think the fact that we're saying that there's 20 million dollars, 30 million dollars. 45 million dollars that we can cut already. It shows that we have not been doing our due diligence over the past few think that's why I were the past 3 years and some of us a lot more vocal about voting no on budgets yield my time back. Thank you. Thank you. Think you, MADAM Chair, can't understand. I have a question about slide. 11 where

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it cuts off at 2031, the the amount of dollars to be received by the city that escalator. Thank you so much for the magically did that. Do you know offhand what the 2032 20, $33 amounts would be that we would need to put forward. That's so 2031 it's 23rd. It's 100 million dollars. Excuse me in 2031. In purple to. So it flat line. Yes, that's correct, That's correct. So is that we would as continue to put 100 you for having 1505015, Anderson. Thank Okay. Lots of I think, you know. Crumbling infrastructure, a side room for growth in these. I think that very aggressive increase in the flat increase.

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Unfortunately, flat taxes like that. Make this inequitable from the beginning. I think it hurts small businesses. I think hurts families and low income individuals specifically what gives me a little bit of heartburn. A lot of good heart burn and I'm a very liberal lady is that we're over funding the match. That seems a little irresponsible to me as a donor county. We are already sort of pay our fair share, as has been said before. And so I represent a lot of those demographic individuals and families I just represent that. I just mentioned and I feel to support this would be a disservice to them so aggressively. I do agree my colleagues in terms of time and lack of leadership but I do agree with Mayor Hahn set on on this issue and so my

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Republican colleagues as well, what happens when the state can't afford to give us that 50 million dollars? I mean. Horse decides to say no, we're change in a special This vote for this specific policy comes in a couple of weeks and there are, I believe already 13 officers so looks like it's going to pass and won't be able to be refuted by the mayor's. So MADAM Chair, I just would encourage my constituents those around the city to really engage with us city councilors and let us know your opinions and how we should here in short order and has our PRESIDENT Said amendments come through the people to and we encourage

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that. So thank you very much. MADAM Chair and comments. Questions from my colleagues. Before we MADAM PRESIDENT, give something. Yes, you have anything I would like to acknowledge council Jesse Brown arrived with We do like any of my colleagues one would like to say something. Thank you, colleagues. I apologize for being very delayed. Set a 4 and a half hour Metropolitan Development Commission hearing examiner for the dc but data center. Thank I have admit I have not yet finished watching the ad finance hearing and I have not, of caught the part of this presentation for today. And so forgiving. Some of this is repetitive. But I have a couple things. First. I wanted to actually come in well, first of and it is causing the all-important leadership on this issue. I think it's the right thing to do. Secondly,

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that I wanted to commend Council vain going to the state house to help get this 50 million dollar match. I think if anyone has not seen the interview that he did with Rob Candle, so 2 very conservative people very strongly encourage everyone to watch it because I think that makes a few things clear. First is that do conservative Republicans are saying that, yes, the state does underfunded Marion County to the tune of at least 50 million dollars a year. And again, the best possible world where we get that match, we're not going reparations right? That means for decades, 50 million dollars has been stolen from the people of this county year over year by the Republican super majority in our state House, too. And so whatever we do, we

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should remember it in that context. That is why that is the only reason why we're in this position today. That is called political oppression. That is people taking our money. We are donor county We're funding other people's roads and now we're in the position to make hard decisions to try to pave our own So yes, it is true that this new revenue could be existing revenue moved around. All of you remember the difficult budget hearings we had last year when there were 2% to 4% cuts across the board except for public safety organizations. And if you remember the Parks Committee meeting, we heard Director Crown and I hate to give her a hard time for this. But when I

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asked or what the $200,000 shortfall year over year for the Parks department would look like to regular constituents. She said we will take crayons away from children because we can't afford it. So to put tend that there are 50 million dollars in savings somewhere in this administration while we're taking crayons for children. I think by by hatred of our mayor is pretty well known that. But even I don't think that that is reasonable thing to to believe right now. It is obvious from all of my constituent feedback that I've received. What the right answer is here. The donut counties around us get away with lower tax rates than we do. And then they use our roads past that, again is political oppression. The right thing to do would be to tax the rich, at least tax the people using our roads without paying for Why can't we do that is because the super

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majority at the state House, it's the Republican Party has decided that's not within our power. Of my constituents. About 70% of them who have responded to me about this issue have said, yes, it's a difficult thing to do, but I will pay more in taxes because you know that they have had the same experience. I had I've lost to tire so far this year, an Indianapolis streets. All right. Like most of the times on barely ever in the No comment about what that says about me driving ability. By the way. But little bit of it was like a little bit. Was my skill. Sure. But the last time I had to lose a tire, I got an electric car. That means they had to get it towed to a tire shop. I had to then ride my bike down to the tire shop to catch up with that. Took 24 hours to get my car back. If I had to be shift job at retail. Service work, I'd lose my job

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over that. You don't have extra pto to just pay for that. And then I had a $210 bill for my new call for a minute. I so that would be more than I would be paying in this new tax, the pothole. It's still be there at the end of the day. So 70%, my constituents who responded have said I hate it, but let's do it. Yes, they have also said our electric bills going up are, you know, property tax bill is going up. We are wages are not going up. This is unfair, but they still think that of the bat options in front of us is the best thing. The other 30% have kept pushing for things. That said, i do believe I think we should just that illegally. Do a tax on the rich. We should illegally creates a more

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progressive structure. And, you know, I tend to think that there might be something to that as well. I think this is a complicated issue. Nobody wants to raise taxes. Nobody, none of us in this room that none of who e-mailed called sent me a message on social media have extra money to spare. But I think we do ourselves a disservice when we have this debate that doesn't exist and the reality and the reality again is that we're being politically oppressed. Our money is being stolen from us. And then we're being forced to make really tough decisions as a result. So whatever decision we make about this particular proposal, I hope people remember in NOVEMBER and I hope people remember and every NOVEMBER moving forward because we don't fix this other than by restoring democracy to the state. Thank

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you. Thank you very much. Before we move on to public comment, I want to remind anyone is here not for public comment for proposal. One 92 and you came tonight too, submit a request or concern about a city issue or something that you wanted help with. We do have reports with contact information with your issues. Here at the table. We have staff healthy without form. You can fill it out. Returned back to the staff and someone will submitted tomorrow for to the Mayor's Action Center. And I personally will turn those and tomorrow to mayor's action center. And that's why you came tonight. You don't want to sit through public comment. There's a club that weight onto city public comment. Fill out the clipboard, return it for a lovely staff and I personally will submit that to the Mayor's Action Center tomorrow. Get that out of the way. Thank you all for

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listening to the presentation for wonderful. Assistant Majority leader Andy Nielsen. And listen to our colleagues questions, which was insightful. Thank you to our guests, counselors and a MADAM PRESIDENT for coming as well. Infrastructure obviously is so important. You all your time out from your busy jobs from your families to come tonight. So I appreciate that. And we're going to move. We want to hear him play and that's why we moved into the community. So I'm going to ask our MADAM Clerk tonight to open it up. She's going read a statement and then we'll call your names and you will come up to this podium. We will give you 2 minutes to speak. We're really excited here we have tonight. Thank you for coming. Before we open Florida public comments we like to make the committee members and

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the public a few ground rules. So everyone have a fair to speak. Be is important that we each have observed fallen heroes first. Each speaker will be it's 2 minutes. Second, any public comments must be late to the agenda item and consideration Thurs speakers who stray from the item under consideration or become unduly repetitions. Maybe to the next point bar conclude their comments. Finally attendees will disruptions prevent committee from the sea into tonight's agenda in a recent efficient manner will be removed. Please remember that some types the speech for incitement to violence. We're not protected

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by the First Amendment at all. It would with those issues if they come up. But we don't think they will. MADAM Chair committee member essential that these rules perceived public comments the names that here and there will be it. Okay. Jody Beach, heavy Pattison c j. She's so join have a lot more. He's sent to you know. Come on up to the pony East. Thank you so And please state your name and your zip code. Jodi Beach forces to only 2, 1, Electric bills in go up. I can say you're used to my bills. 53 vote. 73. When are you stream 100 kilowatts? Anyway. It feels like the government is is punishing citizens from policy. So housing or the House rules and transportation

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13 members. House Bill 1185. 2024 and House Bill 10. 85 2025. Leaves one that sent that was killed public. And not for Democrats. None of voted to move. They killed Did that to you is that the U.S.? I'm sorry. But this bill passes, you're going his residence. Now, most people have 2 cars in our household, 100 bucks from people. I talked cash or away here. So that's she can't afford that. You know. So now said you're going to cut that in half or your 7.50, number gets cut in half. You know what happens? If sees dump trucks. They are talking about tax and don't even live in our county. I can tell you the truth on that because that's one the things we do. So a $200 for Tessa,

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Tyrus, desperate chief, most laws that are assessing getting buses 40 50 profiles got low profile tires, you know, so that they do. They break. I can attest that I direct 3 miles or a country mile. So I I don't live my life in a I love to ride. You're on my bicycle to work. But we don't have I trust on favor of 16 or infrastructure. I'm just not in favor of $100 tax on top of every other tax for pain, our property taxes magically one of $2000 a year for a lot. I don't have storm sidewalks. And neither do or su this is not good. Thank you, sir. That's next on the list. that it to be punished. Shes never meeting to get to My name is Debbie Patterson for 6, 2, to 7. Good evening members of the council and thank you for coming to the community again. To have this discussion. As I told my

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COUNCILMAN, I do not envy interview for the choices that you're about to make an the JULY council meeting. I would like to take just a minute to say I feel like it was quite an oversight over the years let this get to where it is today. We've known for many years of the road repairs were necessary. 30 plus years is a long time. If the rate schedule we're using now was put in place in 1992. And we are just now revisiting it. I have to believe that there are that many conversations and funds for roads can be obtained from back then and up until now, the county road tax. We'll tax was $10 to 40, $40 for the

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heaviest of vehicles on our roads. And now, unfortunately, this latest in your laps. My point today is that I just want to put my perspective on this. I live in Indianapolis for 50 years and by now, I spend 6 months of the year out of state. So my contribution will only be used 6 months the year for me. And we could register their for cheaper. But we choose not to. Just around in round numbers. 2 vehicles, a 5th wheel, a boat with a trailer. Just he was a trailer. A motorcycle utility trailer in a dump truck. That's 8 place. Last year. We paid $2,200 with the proposed increase of $1000. We will face $3,200. Proportion. I am

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70 years old and at this and this is approximately 2 months of my Social Security benefits. My point is all pay my fair share because we enjoy the luxury of having these vehicles recreate recreational vehicles, etc. But I think what you're asking for is more than my fair share. I hope we can find ways. For others. To help with those business, although I do understand need to do something. Thank you be tested. Cj I live for 6 to 2, 7, I've got a a lot of cars, trucks, motorcycles and not by any means richer. Anything last year calculated out. 46 1% of my paycheck wind, all federal, state, local. And now you guys are asking for more money. There's plenty of ways

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to craft and the budget just. Indigo, I think, is subsidized to the tune of 140 million dollars. Not all through state, but you want us to keep supporting his indigo stuff and it's 2 been subsidized 140 million bucks a year. Same thing. We got bike trails in AUGUST. Great. But some point you got to say we're out of money. We can't just raising taxes and raising taxes, raising taxes. For me, I think the increase be like 85900 bucks every year. At least 115, 20 year old cars. Every day have anything new and I do that to save money on taxes. And now you guys are asking for? No, no. On top of that, I haven't.

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'05. Ram. 3500 that what? And up in the $250 Dollar for Dollar. That thing leaves my driveway once twice a month. Maybe barely to serve on the road. You don't have to anybody, even though barely history. My motorcycle ways like 600 pounds. And you're telling me I got a chart of the Sands. My 3500 pound Jaguar. That's ridiculous. I'm sorry. This is bad in Category b and no. We need to find money somewhere else. We can just keep raising money middle class. It's not just the middle class that's going pay this. But the city already has a massive problems. Unregistered motor vehicles you think going to help situation. They already can afford pay. Are definitely another 10250 books.

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Thank you. See j. Yeah, no that I suppose for 6, 2, to 4. I was in the meeting yesterday and know that yesterday. Same thing. Talk about raising taxes. And one thing I told them that not favor being pay more taxes. Tag is the ntsb him. I'm retired person. I don't see be seeing more money coming out my pocket that you guys want to help us with taxes here. Taxes the. We all tax There's other ways you good money to make something happen. Jim was right. Only how the government about this of governor is holding back money. I have doesn't case saying And he's truth and he's right. But you get the defender away to make things better house to see you

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soon says we can't. And in 2032, they do not take our so security. They just think up into it out more this year state taxes, the young talk about another $100 I get for a 700 eligible. Well, and I've been trying to get my street streets in my neighborhood. Complain. Over 20 years. You can get them done. So I got a problem with that opinion. What act? Just because certain areas get things done. Certainly is not things So you got them. Do it. Do it right. Do it there without making pay for everybody else. That's a look at Thank you, MR. Joining we a Thank you, ladies, Reverend. A lot of 4, 6, 2, 6, 8, I just don't think it back on one of our We're going to

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take a semi trailer. It acts the same for person who has most tackle our senior citizen who has will tear on the back of a vehicle. That does make existing. We already know that these companies will leave the city. Ubs Fedex Memphis, ups. We know is going to happen. We act like it's not going to happen. We know recipe was somewhere The biggest thing that I want to complain about. Is that. We constantly get our taxes race over and over over. When is it going stop? You guys have the power. To make it stop and it needs to stop today. Does. H.O.A. Pays a security Police officer. Every year, thousands of dollars to

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keep set was clear. Cars parked to the side was parked cars parked in Saturday Street. Just like in Detroit. Think it takes for that. And we should be able to use those same revenues in the city. So we do have to keep raising everybody's taxes. They keep the streets clear sidewalks, clear. We have a young man almost get hit by a car because he rolled out in front the oven. It was like inside Wall. Was hit and that's the reason why we pay things last rebate, $16,000 and the prison right away. Well, police officer, we can keep sustain that. Well, we have something to keep our city streets safe. And just like in Detroit, if

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you part lack of sidewalks, if you park on opposite street, looks we tax. Get people to downtown improbable the rest of the state. We don't care about. We only can you park in the middle of the street. You can backwards. You can block the alley do whatever you want to do. But you go downtown and Barbara, you get a ticket. And that's another way to do nation revenue. Thank you. Thank You know the plot just a second. I have whole out. I'd like I would appreciate all the taxpayers that are in the Bill, appreciate you. Also and the and the work that he to because he's done a phenomenal job with this. This is what we needed. And the PRESIDENT Over there. She brought it up to the top and we greatly appreciate it. We appreciate

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council If it on this at the state level. From the taxpayers point, guys just need to hear this conversation player this these facts. 2020. 36 billion in assessed value. For him. And 2025. It's 56 Billion. This year. It's 60 Billion. That's a 2 billion dollar increase assessed value in one year. One has nothing to do with this One involved in the one to 3 to protect these people out here. We worked on that for 7 years. The one thing they left out was the assessment. School. So tell you the truth. 2010. They just right past check out the assessment. You get a sense you get it says you can next

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year. You can as you this. To the tune of 2 billion dollars more? From any county in that amount of time. You guys to the 250% increase in your silo. That's not government from here. That's government from behind that table. Not What makes it even worse is this broken system? I can go to Marion Camera Wayne County. They don't have crack. They don't have a busted pothole. Nothing. All I'll take about your That's a system that works. This isn't working. I have asked for 10 years for southeast to just have the cooks seal. Now I've got 2 The system is broke, no matter what you matter what you do. We have to come up with a new system. Thank you

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is to Paul would score 6 to 7 acres of couple things. It was so sure that the mayor's plan builds covers with 2028% 27. Giving us from? For many years after seeking a bond as a because it can pull a rabbit out hat and get extra money. With the state chose okay. We have a backup plan, a contingency plan. Do your to serve all. If you can't. The second. Thing I'm thinking about Every vehicle has to be registered within 60 days in Marion County. The council. A look into. A way to capture these from all these heavy vehicles that one. Take their

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vehicles and other state indeed come up with a formula or something. You can get that as as infraction or something along those lines and say, ok, if your vehicles here, more than 50% of time. This is what we're going assist these vehicles. You don't pay it and the kids you at time out in the streets and you can stop the infection. He will elected because that don't. Will glad to And they'll pay that bill because they didn't that. As a backup would cause people want start the system other states. So some considered a wave gets more revenue. Thanks. Thank you. Hi, my name is Michael. Its forces. From what I am a well documented, not a resident of

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Marion County, but live about. Mile and a half out says the district and you know what? I think I'm gonna use Second Street and I and that's what real Berrien County Roads. But our solutions and solving that pothole there you have to road was to put tone up last week has been my friend. I down Houston for the bait vehicle bagel shop right there and held a car problems is hanging out walking around I just saw big. I do think the roads are crumbling. You could like see the whole the road and look down and see the storm pipe last year Fall Creek bridge going over. There's 30 is in the in the creek in. You can look down. You can see the creek below and just want thank you to the 13 city councilors who Are showing bravery, a leadership trend solve this problem. And I feel a little deliver the you know, the very I think a state rep district. That's not the flip. A from one party to the other. And a lot of hypocrisy for the

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Republican side tonight because they are deeply connected to our state government and that causes problems at like crocodile tears when it comes to what some of the problems in Marion County. Please call of your city council Barry, your state wrapping your bosses and people who party and to tell them Marin County right in. It's not just a track of those has a a as a non-resident. We got saw the problem. Central, Indiana. Thank you for that. The 13 city councilors who were brave enough to put their name down try to make this happen. So I thank you so much. Thanks, Mike. Fire station. All right. Good evening. CHAIRWOMAN Jones and committee members. My name is Taylor Firestone and I'm the director

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of Healthy Communities with Indianapolis based nonprofit health by design. And before you this evening, representing our board of directors, staff and coalition partners to testify in support of proposal. One 92. By design supports proposal. One 92, even as we know that state law restricts matching funds from being used for sidewalks, bike lanes, greenways and trails. Despite her disappointment with the state was multi-modal exclusions. We believe that graduated increases to the county option will tax remains. The city county's best opportunity to leverage the state's 50 million dollar commitment while identifying a sustainable local funding source to tackle deferred roadway maintenance and begin closing are longstanding road funding gap. It comes for New Nielsen noted in his

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presentation, Marion County adopted its current. We'll tax rates in 1992 and that the schedule has remained unchanged. Ever sense. However, since 1992 Marion County has added hundreds of miles to its already 8400 lame hiles, which I have to say. No other city here comes even close. So we have way over built our roadways, freight and commuter traffic have increased in vehicles on our streets of become larger and heavier. These factors. Plus, a general lack of political will have contributed to the current state of poor repair, our local streets and roads. Our city has made a commitment to 0 fatal or serious injury crashes by 2035. We will not get there without substantial dedicated investments and the quality of our infrastructure. We believe that it is imperative that city County

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officials pursue every available path to invest in safe connected streets that benefit residents and visitors alike. In closing, I feel for your support of proposal. One 92, a public commitment to strengthening her financial resolve, tackling deferred maintenance and free up more resources to build a safer, healthier, more vibrant Indianapolis for all. Commend City County counselors for facing this issue with the urgency it requires. Thank you. Thank you. Taylor. Good evening. Didn't plan on speaking today but was inspired. So. Thank you all for all that you have to time. I did once say as one who has built and invested in Indianapolis in countless ways as an architect as a servant, to our homeless neighbors, to public private,

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working a franchise and disenfranchised. I must say, as a professional service provider, there is not a pat on the back presenting. There's no pat on the back for calling an effort is doing the right thing. This is real and it's not paper. And professional services can oftentimes remove s from the reality of how things work and their way to facts. Appears to be how we're approaching transactional first, transformative lack of communication considering people over process, including organizations and entities and how they are woven into this solution. Step-by-step accountability and forensics versus forecasting. So these big-picture proposals can often lead gaping holes. So proposals. Stop short. Take us

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to the cliff. And then there's more work yet to be done. So, yes, we need to invest and whatever is done needs to be done with a scalpel. Can't predict future. Getting that the trucks and all things that we know providing wear and tear, not sure if we consider creative community building solutions like dedicated commercial pathways, adopting highways, communicating and creating more community so that people will not leave rather invest in the city. We need to stop thinking that these variables discuss will actually respond because every action that's cause a reaction. So just as an example, some people are on the verge of not driving like pretty sure there's people who willing to take the very buses that are not going to then be

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charged anything so as a result, even how we live deliveries versus personally going to the store. Look at how your neighbors are living. We need to open our eyes to see what the city is actually look like in 2031. Need to connect the dots and counting all you all to do the work and that the state doesn't get to. Set the terms of political oppression. And we just say, assets. And that's what the Charlotte in shenanigans. There are no mulligans because that part has been pulled enough times historically, it's been exhausted. And so I asked if you're going to serve, which I know it's hard please serve. Well, hello, my name is Jacob Morales Council District. 13.

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I'm here to support support this proposal. And you think 13 counselors for showing bravery, you know, my experience with Indianapolis are just like everyone you know, that they are garbage and our transportation system needs a lot of work. Lot of things, a lot of and a lot more funding. We have a lot of issues going on in our city right now that I would be very wary of taking a scalpel to just to lay some pavement. Like, for example, I saw article in the Star someone's calling to gut our arts program or even our public transportation, too, too late, maybe a few miles of asphalt. And like the things that give the city soul like are the

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things that keep people housed like nmc programs. These things need to be preserved and they shouldn't just be put into he basically into the ground, just speak rumbled by the next year. We should be having dedicated sources of funds for our infrastructure, right? Like if we want to be a world-class city, we need to not only bridge the gap of art, major infrastructure deficit that we have to go beyond that. Mean, I appreciate council is concerned about, you know, that we're going to be raising more funds then potentially necessary. But I think that we if we want to be an excellent city, we need to be going beyond that to actually fund

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not to just to get smooth roads to get safe. Her Vision 0 mentioned if we want to get to the point where we have, you know, safe livable streets, we need to have dedicate sources of funding for that. And I just find ironic that like we're talking up cuts we make cuts to the sprawling development patterns as to our infrastructure liabilities that then, you know, now we have to pay more like billions more in interstates to be able to fund all this traffic where they need to go. Let's let's pick a better city and he's money to do that. Thanks. Thank you, Jacob. And I spoke with someone a car since. Department. And I was told that most to marry counties. Texans go outside of

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Marion County. Now, if we bring some of our back to Marion County, we MAY not have to raise tax because we are supporting everyone else. And that's that's not good for us. So we need to not fund other counties. Let them fund themselves and we fund Marin County because that's what we're seeing. The tax. My question How can this be death? Because raising taxes Israel, people who are retired. Because we are on fixed incomes. I'm 74 years and raising my taxes isn't what I want you to. Thank you, George. Rising. You all know my name is not more Bronson, but that we're going consider them. It was not able to be here tonight.

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She asked me to read her So pretend shorter different Hello members of council for the record. My name is Morgan Bronson. I'm a district 13 resident of the former director of the Office of Sustainability at a vision of dpw. I submitted my public comment this evening in favor proposal. One 92 proposal. 1, 9, 2, is not perfect, but it is a necessary step toward solving a funding crisis that impacts every department in the city. We all agree our roads need massive investment, however, because that need is so overwhelming. It creates a trickle down effect that starves other essential divisions of their funding. The office of sustainability has borne the brunt of these constraints for years to come to direct example, funding for no zone. Our Air Quality awareness program was cut and entirely redirected to

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infrastructure projects. Indiana are struggles of some of the worst pollution in the United States. We cannot afford to strip away. Our environmental defense is to pay for street repairs, but beginning to address the root of our infrastructure funding issues proposal when it to protect the vital programs that make our city livable. I asked for support on this proposal tonight, however, addressing this crisis requires a broader commitment to our residents, urged council to create additional accessible opportunities for public comment. Civic participation should not be a luxury reserved for those who can afford to take significant time out there day to travel to an in-person meeting. Finally, council action alone is not enough. I'm calling on the mayor to take bold action on this front rather than simply telling us the proposals like this are not a

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good idea. We need the mayor's office to step up as an active partner in solving this structural funding issue. Thank you for your time. love that that's time I personally bring home many all everything you said. I just want to add something. A surprising watching ice last due before this is really Really introducing a in Stadium, Indianapolis. And I can't imagine what that cost a certain sports policy, Washington, D.C., and I knew the data. Really reveal that we need investment majorly all public financing. It actually is drag the economy. And the way to the our meeting. Is actually on right to the outcomes of that. So I watched many of you guys vote against join the mayor and overturning development that we have and a

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lot of fun. It's a sea all of you guys. It's a pretty something that's going to take a lot of public infrastructure and a lot of public support and Turn the tide on U.S. Citizens say, well, you that's still in play. Understand we're going to take was most resources. We're going to tax you guys. But what you having does just it just pains my heart, a survey of the media you have state order to and and a Republican of the I'm so sad that you did that. So in relation everything else. And just like you guys take a hard look at yourself once. And look at what you think the mayor going come team for the future. And it's an mls

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stadium Texas. One of attacks me he's really take a hard look centre. How can we help? You know in a struggle. All just a ton take a table meeting published by Anthony Mantha. This what more creative ways to do I don't understand 30 years. To Detroit in 30 years. And this capital in the and see the strength of public have been Knicks. Her been there. What this cool long you. Not the in. For downtown like city. Not for us all. Sure they have great we got events

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and people got downtown. Because holes downtown. If you're going in state of And when people come thank you, Anyone else would like to speak on proposal. Number one, 92.0 26. In minutes. Assistant majority leader that have any closing remarks you're All right. Well, again, from our council from committee, MADAM PRESIDENT, do like any closing remarks. You can read you like. Good evening again. My name is Maggie Lewis. I do have the honor of serving as the PRESIDENT Of the of the City County Just want to close with this. a few few things just just to clarify and help this level said one. Thank you so much for showing up this evening.

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Oftentimes we do not hear from I kissed it with into after the fact. So simple fact that you all showed up. Thank you so much. We don't always have to agree. We don't have be mean and nasty to each other just because disagree on how to solve for specific issue. Obviously, there's different views on how do we solve for the poor infrastructure in our community. And there's not a nice way to say that our roads are not acceptable. However, at this time, we only have one plan. And so I said it before and I'll continue to say it. Show us a plan. You do not get to this setback and poke holes in the plan that 13 of has presented. If you have ideas

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show up, let's have a conversation about how do we fix the infrastructure? We do not have a plan from the 25th floor. The mayor is my friend. I respect Hawks said that we didn't have a plan. So my colleague, he laughed and said that the mayor's plan worked well. I look forward to the day that we actually have a plan to respond to that again right now, we do not have a plan from the administration. So we second amounts ourself to attempt to solve for the one issue that we hear about every single day. I live over here. I go to Myers at jail. My baseball cap. No makeup that keeps asking me, Maggie,

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what are you gonna do about the roles? I hit the same potholes. You guys don't. 46 Street. 6 tires. 3 Rams later. So again, we have to come together and figure out how do we saw for the poor infrastructures to my Republican colleagues. I agree that we can't walk and chew gum at the same time. We need to continue to look at the budget and see what things that we can cut that at this point. I am concerned that either we're going to reduce services increase revenue, right? We have to have a real conversation about what the budget looks like and doesn't look like. And again, we have to be honest about what's in their last night. We had conversations about cut now services help black and brown kids on a regular basis.

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That's not acceptable. Right? So let's be honest about what's in the budget and what's not in that budget. Again, leadership is hard. No politician. I'm a politician. a lot things, but I am a politician, right? No politician wants to go on record raising taxes. We know can vote us out of office But again, I don't hang my hat on the PRESIDENT Of the City County Council. Hang my hat on the accounts are right. I have to answer for every one of my actions. Every one of my decisions. I believe that this is the right pass. All right. But again, I have to answer for that do not take this lightly. I do not take this is important. I have the answer for the decisions that I make. As a city county councilor. See your is important to me.

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It is important all of us again, we can disagree. Please come to the table with some solutions. Help us all. So the poor infrastructure that we're up against. And the last thing I want say is I heard you all talk about this is not fair. Why are we doing this? Hands are tied as members of the city County councilor. We get our authority from the state of Indiana. We talked about the other night that cut that elections have consequences. Will they do? There's a super majority at the state House that have presented us with this gift right? A whole bunch of restraints. So not only do you need to have a conversation with us as members of the city County Council, you need to go over

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to other and the market and asked him, why do we continue have to fight infrastructure dollars? A row formula is horrible. We are the state Capitol. We deserve better. But again, the only way we're going to change that formula is to have a conversation with the folks at the state because we are not authorized change the road formula. So again, a minute and then it has to say about some of the most upon you. I encourage you to reach out to a member of the City County Council. I encourage I strongly encourage you to have a conversation with the folks at the state House. I encourage you to reach out to the administration and asked what is their long-term plan to ensure that we're not dodging potholes every other

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second. So again, thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedules to join us. I encourage you to continue the conversation. Thank you so much.