--------- All right, it is 7 p.m. We'll call this city council meeting to order. If we could all rise for the pledge of >> allegiance. Uh doing roll call. All voting members are present other than council member Lundine who let me know he would not be able to make it tonight. Uh he's working on a boiler and he doesn't want that
person to go out without heat overnight. So uh next we will go into um I would like to read a a public statement before we open up the public comment. Uh so the community got out and voted yesterday. Uh while the community made their voices heard on the no vote, we also need to consider the 40% that voted yes in hopes
of school improvements. Their vote meant a lot too. And most agree there are definite needs at the schools which we can work together to address. Before this election concluded, I had already started to gather names of people willing to either a donate money to the schools for necessary repairs or b help with the necessary repairs. there's such
a strong community of tradesmen, including myself, willing to donate our own or our own time or money, uh, rather than taking it away from those that maybe simply can't afford it. Uh, my leadership methods may be loud, atypical of a politician, misunderstood, and don't always hit home for everybody, but
since day one, I've always been dedicated to making sure the most efficient and equitable action happens for our entire community of taxpayers, our kids, and our schools. That's the job of a mayor, to juggle everything and advocate for everyone as best as possible. For the last four months, I was advocating for the taxpayers. Now
the taxpayers voices have been heard. I'll be advocating for the schools and the kids. Leadership is finding reasonable compromise and actual solutions to a difficult situation and making it happen. If any additional transmitter or donors would like to get involved, I'd like to continue to help gather resources personally, not in a
city capacity. maybe working with the Building Blue Jackets organization or another separate organization of community members to come up with something that will accomplish a similar goal, but also considers our community's strong desire to save tax money and my strong desire to protect those that can't afford it or choose not to be
involved. The city of Isani uh saw the same strategy work with Illuminate, which is now ran primarily by volunteers. Thank you for the volunteers uh who decided it was important and got involved instead of taxpayers simply flipping the bill. Thank you very much to that group of volunteers. Uh the same thing can happen
with the schools. Now it won't happen overnight. There will be differences and growing pains, but a strong community is built by giving everyone the choice to work together. We can work to make it happen for our schools and our kids or respecting those that decided to cast a no vote yesterday. Please reach out if you'd like to be involved in fundraising
or collaborating on projects regarding the schools. Uh we can come up with a solution that positively impacts and works for everyone of our community. Thank you. So tonight, um, we will open up to public comment, but there will be, um, a couple rules in place. Uh, due to lengthy public comment that has been
primarily outside of the scope of city business and caused a lack of completion of some city business items in the duration of our meeting time, we will be using the three-minute time limit this evening for public comment and remind speakers that public comment shall be kept to city related business and not personal or political attacks as per our
established city public comment policy. This time is to address the board with pertinent city business, not politics or issues outside of our normal uh city discussion items. So, with that being said, I'll open up the public comment. If anybody like to come on forward, just state your name and address for the record.
>> Thanks for coming in, Todd. >> Hello, everybody. >> Turn your mic on, >> I think. Hello. Oh jeez, now it's really loud. Yeah, Todd Christensen, County Commissioner, uh, District 4. Um, I just wanted to come in and, uh, ask you guys
what you think about, uh, the roundabout so far. I, um, I've, I've been looking at it and stuff, and it seems like traffic is, uh, rolling, you know, going along there pretty good, moving pretty good, steady pace. looking forward to when they can finish that uh you know this next spring when we can do the rest
of it out to 65 and back to the railroad tracks. But uh anyway, it seemed like it was flowing good from what I've seen. Is you guys got any um thoughts or comments on it? >> So I've only had surprisingly one complaint um which I'm I'm really happy to hear. I wasn't sure how it was going to go. Um and that was about the
merging. Obviously the two into one lane was a concern. Um, but we do have in our schematic for next next year to do a four and a half foot painted white line to make it more obvious that if you're in this lane, you cannot pass over. Like if you're turning left in a Minkco drive, you cannot then merge. It's a
solid white line that's going to be very obvious. So that'll be corrected next year when this is finished. >> All right, sounds good. How is everybody else liking the roundabout? >> Yeah, pretty good. All right, >> you guys heard anything? >> I haven't heard a thing. I I've been through it twice. I I like it. I think >> I think I'm just watching it just along.
Anyway, any other questions for me, guys? >> Well, I heard positive things, but I haven't seen it with any kind of load on it. It's been pretty unoccupied when I've gone through. >> Oh my gosh. It was it was it I think it was yesterday when I was over there. Just a steady flow going around that circle. So, and I don't know of anybody
that's got stuck on the circle yet. Can't get off. No. >> All right. Thanks, guys. >> Thanks for coming in, Todd. >> Anybody else for public? Come on up. Just state your name and address for the record, please. Hello. Whoa, that's loud. My name is
Janet Shock. Um, I actually live in Athens Township. Oh, kind of in the uh Todd land over there. So, um, I'm not here to attack anybody, so I want to make sure that's straight. Okay. And George, if you feel the need to rest, I
get it. I'm 52. Just stand up. I've had to do it in the military. You're just sitting here working man. >> I'm just I'm just giving you a hard time. >> So the reason I came here tonight is yes, we did just have the school vote. I
have spoken out against you, Luke, for the way that you have spoken towards people. >> Okay. And yes, a lot of things came to light and I am not very thrilled at the way that you have
approached people. However, it's a two-way street, right? It's the way we all conduct ourselves. Now, I fought for this country. I'm a veteran. I bled for this country. I've had shrapnel removed out of my back.
I've suffered a TBI. I've done a lot of things for this country. So, I feel that when I tell you, Luke, and I've pulled you aside a couple of times, hey, tone it down a bit. Calm yourself.
Take a deep breath. All right. Now, I'm going to be the bigger and better person here. Okay. First and foremost, I want to make I kind of want to make a deal with Luke Mayor if we can. Okay. To meet halfway.
And I'm here to make peace. Okay? So, I don't want you to feel like this is an attack on you. All right? Now, yes, I posted screenshots of things that you have yourself posted on Facebook, okay? To get a point across.
As a leader, and I've been a leader in the military, we need to do better than that. Can we agree on that? Yes. Okay. All right. Because when you have tacted and when you talk to people with tact, you can actually get through
to them instead of what has been happening. And what I'm worried about is that you will not be reelected if this continues on. And we have to be careful of who sits in your seat because we cannot have
what's going on in New York City. Even though we're small town America, we cannot have that here. Okay. Now I and you all have it in public Rum River Radio. Okay.
I personally will apologize to you for sharing your your statements via screenshots to make a message clear of why we cannot conduct ourselves in this manner as a
leader. But I would like to ask of you Luke and I'm talking to you politely to come to middle ground for this right here is to apologize for the some of the statements that you
have said. Not all of them were bad. >> Sure. >> You have a right to your opinion whether it's personal page or mayor page. >> We're at we're at three minutes, >> right? But do you apologize to those folks? There's definitely some things that I've said that I probably shouldn't
have said. Correct. So, I'm I apologize for those things, but not all of them because I represent the people that elected me. So, >> I get it. >> Thank you. >> And could I just have 30 seconds? >> Sorry. We have we have to abide by the rules tonight, but we can we can have a phone call. Um, so I appreciate your input. >> Well, let's sit down and work together.
And I appreciate you volunteering your time for the school. >> Sounds good. >> You know what? Does this turn off? >> You can just set it down. Thank you for coming in. >> Thank you, Janet. Thank you for your service. All right. Anybody else for public comment tonight? >> I'll step up.
>> Come on up. >> Just state your name and address for the record, please. And you have three minutes. >> Want to grab the microphone? >> Yeah, that one's better. >> Ted Kudson, 111 Second Avenue Southwest.
Um, thank you for your service. I have a little bit different opinion here. Um, I I want to thank you for stepping up and out of your way and putting your time and effort into getting information out
to the public about the referendum. Um, whether people voted yes or no, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is is he was getting the information out for us to make that decision with the information instead of just
going based off our feelings. and I want to thank you for that and you are an exemplary mayor and I will vote for you again 100%. Thank you. >> Thank you.
I appreciate it. >> Anybody else for public comment? Come on up, Erica. >> Thank you for coming in. Just say your name and address for the record please. >> Uh my name is Erica Zidan 709 Bergman Court Iani.
>> We are here today not for the referendum but um for Iani illuminate. Um we created a volunteer group to continue this tradition that was really in a negative light and now we are going to
change it into a very positive situation. Um, so we are glad that you didn't cancel it as you were stating earlier. >> Um, we would like you to partner with us with your own time on night one and help us switch the light >> and and then we'll be there as well as
the first host of the evening. Um, we would love to have all of you there as well to host with us. We've made a few changes. We moved Santa into a new secret location. Um, we have a few um, choirs coming that are going to sing. We have Janet who's going to DJ Christmas
Carols one evening. Um, a few different things that are going to happen. We've used the majority of the same lights that were purchased by the city, but hope in the future to definitely add some more. Um, have raised all the funds ourselves, have put up all the displays by ourselves with a little bit of city
work. Um, but otherwise, we are very excited for it to go forward and thank you guys for letting us take it over. That was it. Thank >> Thank you so much. Uh I would love to be there. So let us know the the date and if there if there are more than uh two
of us, we'll have to post for a quorum. Um so if you could provide the Yeah, if you could provide the date to Miss Wood, she could post about that and then we can legally all be there. So >> December 11th, uh lights flip on at 5:30.
>> The host is from 5 until 8:40, but that's pretty slushy. >> So much for >> Yeah. Thank you. That's a >> Thank you. You guys >> you guys interested in that first night? Potentially. >> Potentially. Yeah.
>> Okay. Well, sounds good. Thank you for coming in. Anybody else for public comment? Come on up. Just state your name and address for the record, please. Thank you for coming in. >> Nancy Jud, 32640 Scopman Lake Road, Cambridge. And I just personally wanted
to come in and thank you also because many people I know really appreciated all the efforts that you put in for the last four months to educate us and help us to understand what was going on and especially those families that you were
talking about with kids and you know they need help at home. They've got repairs on their homes and things like that and that should come first and that's where you're talking about it's for the kids. So, I just wanted to personally thank you for all your time
and effort and uh let you know that it was greatly appreciated. >> Thank you. Thank you for coming and I appreciate it. Anybody else for public comment tonight? Come on up. Bet you're excited for one of the items
tonight on the agenda. >> Hi, I'm Erin Zadon. Same address as Erica, 709 Bergman Courti. Uh I'm just here to thank the council and park board. There are some of them here. Also, for all the time that's been put into this skateboard skate park project
um before most of you were here, we've been talking about expanding this skate park literally for 15 years, but it's all been talk. I'm hoping tonight that you are the action board and that tonight we take an action on this and at least get phase one going. It's way
overdue. You know, the public works has done an amazing job keeping this alive, but it's just, as we've talked about at many meetings, it's old, it's outdated. We really need to bring it into at least the 2020s. So, we have that in front of us today. I know we've also um brought
in the pickle ball project and that they're in one resolution. I do ask that if you're not ready to move forward on that, um, that we do act on the skate park tonight because that has to get on the schedule and be built
>> over the winter so that it can be installed in the spring. If you wait till spring, check, check. If you wait till spring, it's too late because then it's your skatepark is tore up all summer and now we're this time of the year again. So, I just ask that we
hopefully they both pass. if you're not ready to move on pickle ball because they were tied together at the last park meeting that we can at least move forward on the skate park project. That's what I got. >> Sounds good. Thank you for coming in. Appreciate it. >> Anybody else this evening for public
comment? You're welcome to come forward. >> Uh hearing none, we will close the public comment and we will move on to uh adopting the agenda. Are there any changes or additions, Miss Wood? >> Uh good evening, Mayor and Council. No, there are not.
You guys have any changes or concerns? I'll entertain a motion to approve. Motion >> motion. >> Second. >> Motion by council member Heman, second by council member Peterson. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? The agenda is approved. Uh next we'll move on to the city council
meeting minutes. Uh 20 October 21st, 2025 committee of a whole meeting minutes and the October 21st, 2025 city council meeting minutes. Are there any questions or additions or changes? >> No. Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion to approve by council member Heman. Second by council member
Peterson. All in favor say I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries 40. Uh announcements. City office city offices will be closed Tuesday, November 11th, 2025 in observance of uh the holiday. Uh, committee of the whole meeting,
Tuesday, November 18th, 2025 at 5:00 pm. Uh, planning commission meeting Tuesday, November 18th, 2025 at 6 p.m. City Council meeting Tuesday, November 18th, 2025 at 7 p.m. Uh, the Iani Hills final assessment hearing will be Tuesday, November 18th, 2025 at 7 p.m. And the
park and rec board meeting will be Tuesday, November 25th, 2025 at 6 p.m. Are there any council committee reports tonight, George? really. >> Well, I discussed the fire board. Um things snowballed the night of the park
and wreck meeting. I missed it. I did watch it. It was a great meeting. Um they had a guy come in and explain the history of um pickle ball basically and and he was part of the association of uh a
nonprofit they have up in Cambridge. he's he's involved in Mueller I think was his last name. Um that u discussion about the pickle board and the skate bar skate park and they
want to it's on our agenda tonight to roll it into a dual project which I personally think looks like a good idea. Um I guess we'll have discussion about that later. Um that's about all.
>> All right. Any other council committee reports? >> All right. Hearing none, we will move into business item K1. Resolution to consider authorization of park dedication fund expenditures for six pickle ball courts and phase one of the skate park. Miss Wood, do you have or
Stephanie or Josh? >> Good evening, mayor and council. Yeah. So, park board has recommended moving forward with the six pickle ball courts and also moving forward with the first phase of the skate park.
Um, the pickle ball courts were not to exceed 200,000 and the skate park was not to exceed 72,000. >> Okay. Uh, I actually I have a little bit of a different idea. Um, I think that personally I would like to see us do the the phase one of the skatepark uh this
year. I think that's something that we have really talked a lot about and gotten a good value um for what we're getting out of that. I think that's something that we should consider moving forward with. I would propose that we consider uh moving the pickle ball courts. Um it's not as timesensitive, but consider, you know, the next couple
months talking about alternative solutions to maybe save some money on those. I know we had talked about potentially applying for a grant. Um or maybe we could, you know, work with some community contractors to get, you know, some time donated or or something. Um work with the pickle ball association to
try and get those costs down a little bit more. Um you know, we fight for taxpayers and I would just like to see us give a a couple more months of of work uh towards reducing the cost on that on the pickle ball court. Um but see us do the skate park stuff this winter for sure. So that's just my
opinion. I don't know what you guys think, but >> I have a question on the location of where they want to put it put the pickle ball court. When I drove by there, I see that we have I'm guessing it's just an ice rink that they put out just for the kids, a >> pleasure rink in the win.
>> And it's the only one we have in that park any of any type of ice hockey or >> can it be moved? >> It's on the right. >> He said it' be easier for it to be moved. The one thing that I didn't hear brought up was what the cost would be
for adding lighting to the the rink because that would need lighting a lot more than pickle ball court would primarily being used in winter when days are shorter. >> Yeah, you could add a light. I believe Stephanie we did one it was less than 6,000
>> for or for multiple >> just that I think the one light would do the whole pleasure ring. It because it's would be like the light that lights up the whole park. Okay. >> Is that with running the wiring or is there is there power already where this proposed pleasure?
>> There's power already over on that side. Yeah. >> Cool. Good job with the design. >> Been working on 15 years. >> Literally, >> it's a pretty good spot for the pickle ball courts with those lights set up
because we guys would be one of the only uh pickle ball courts that are litted outdoor like that. >> I agree. What do you What are you thinking? >> How much cost savings are you looking to get if we hold this off a couple of months? What are you thinking? Because I don't think that 200,000 is rolling
stone. I mean it looked like if we had our own department do it, it would be about 30,000 for every two. So really that's only 90 or 100,000. But I know we don't want them to take the time to do it or if they even have the resources
to do six. I didn't reach out for multiple quotes. I just got one and just so I knew what not to exceed. >> This is just to clarify on that a little more. This is an estimate um because we didn't want to spend too much staff time
if this wasn't going to move forward. But if this is >> likely to move forward, I mean like as um Mr. Becker said, it's not set in stone. We will be doing our normal process to receive quotes out and to go out for this project, you know, individually for the pickle ball and then, you know, however we're going to
do with the skate park phase. Um, but so there is a possibility that that could be less. >> So to answer your question about how much could we reduce this project, I'm hoping, you know, I'm on the county park board and we do there's outdoor grants for getting people involved. There's all sorts of different opportunities. The
DNR has one. Um, and a lot of those have what they call a local match. So for the local municipality is going to have to present 10% 50% whatever. So just say for example you have a 50% local match and say this this pickle ball court comes in at $200,000 or $300,000 we
would only have to contribute half of that. And if we wanted to say if we wanted to apply for a grant and get eight courts or 12 courts for the same amount of city money we could we could basically use our dollars to invest with the grant to get a better pickle ball setup. Um, so I think we just need a
little bit more planning uh so we can get the best value on our dollar. You know, if we're putting $200,000 50% match in on a $400,000 project, we're still spending 200, but we'll get a $400,000 project out of it. So there's that's that's how we do it with the county park board. Um, and I would like
to see us try and ampl or try and use that if we can. Um, so, you know, maybe we could do it for eight courts for $100,000. Uh, maybe we could add skate park stuff to that to that grant application. You know, there's a lot of different opportunities for that. So, >> okay, looking at this photo, it says the
the spot that they have designated for. It says one to four courts. I >> personally wouldn't even want to move forward unless we can do at least six because that will bring more people from outside our area spending money inside the city limits. And that that that
would at least help >> a little bit offset this. >> It would be six courts in that area. It would just be the four under the lights. feel like you needed >> okay that's what that meant one to four under the lights >> feel like you would need a ton of people
to offset that cost like to recoup that it's not going to be >> right >> anything like short of decades >> true >> if the goal should be to provide amenities to the taxpayers since they're the ones it's their funds not to try and draw stuff in that isn't going to pay
back the cost in any kind of reasonable amount of time >> so I had talked to somebody tonight and they they made a good point about you know what if you want to have like a family event there and you have your family and there's if you there's if there's only four courts there's not enough for everybody to play but if you have six or eight that's that's just one
example and I think people could have parties there you know the the tournament value and and with the we could do more checking with the pickle ball association and see like hey if we do six or eight courts will you run the tournaments will you donate benches will you contribute money like there's I think there's just a lot more work to be
done on this um on the the specifics but I I think there's definitely good hope. Yeah, Miss Wood, >> Mayor C, if I could share, we do have Mike here who is on um the pickle ball pickle ball association. >> Sure. >> Um and he's willing to talk a little bit too if we have questions directly for
him. And um one thing that was shared at the park board is that they're willing to donate $5,000, which is pretty phenomenal. Um but if you are interested, he's here and available for any questions you may have. >> Okay. You want to come on up? Just state your name and address for the record, please.
Thanks for coming in. >> I'm Mike Mueller from Maple Drive in Cambridge and I'm the president of the Cambridge Area Pickle Ball Association, which uh as you heard is a 501c3 nonprofit corporation. And it was formed specifically because the city of
Cambridge wanted cost share when they built the last four courts at Central Green Park. And so we were asked to pay 20% at the time. They asked for 20% of 80,000. I don't actually know what they ended up spending on the courts because it was a
it was a combined project with a basketball court as well, but we raised 20,000 for the courts. We raised an additional 6,000 to go towards windscreens and benches. And we've already approved at our May meeting to
donate uh up to $5,000 for windscreens and benches for for dedicated pickle ball courts in Iani. And we're we're more than willing to try and help out where we can. Um so I think if if we can
coordinate things like that, that would be a great thing. >> Sure. Any questions from you guys? I appreciate the input and I know you've been here a couple times and I've listened to the the meeting. So, it's we appreciate all the work and this is what
it's all about. You know, the community doing things that the community wants to do, >> right? So, >> part of our mission statement. >> Sure. >> Any questions, Nick? >> No, I just My thoughts are with what we have for park dedication fund. I don't
want to run it too low, >> right? >> And beating up that much that soon when like I sandy hills needs a lot of I think can use some improvement. Uh there's some additional equipment that could be used at Bluebird and because they got rid of like monkey bars and
other things. Um so there's some gaps in the new equipment that we could fill. And then uh there's another park that needs some attention too, I think. So I'd like to save some funds for that. So, if we can reduce the cost on the pickle ball project, I would rather see
that get the skate park thing going because there's demand and it's off peak. So, it makes sense to get it done like he was talking about. But like to try and get the cost down on pickball if that is something we're going to go forward on. >> Sure. >> Miss number you guys would like to get
to. >> Before we maybe share on that topic, I do want to update the council and let you know that our balance now is at about 400,000. We did have another payment come into the park dedication fund. So from the time that the memo was written to now is a little bit higher actually.
>> Sure. >> I I think that the price depends on you know how many courts and what we can figure out. You know I I would personally I don't see how six courts costs more than 100,000 bucks. I I just >> I don't see it. But I >> That's why I was wondering because I can
reach out for more bids. That's why I was wondering for six courts. Yeah, definitely get >> six and eight. >> Yeah. >> Or and they >> Yeah. How many can we fit in that area? What's the maximum? Let's say this is really successful and a community loves it and then courts are full.
>> The the rough quotes I got, the more courts you went, the cheaper it got. >> Sure. >> Per court, >> up to 12 courts of numbers, but it was a fast >> um quote, so I had numbers to give. >> Is there room for 12 there?
>> Not necessarily in that spot. >> I think so. You're going to get eight for sure. >> Okay. >> But I brought them to different locations. >> Could Could you get a quote for six and eight? >> Yeah.
>> Is that tennis court used a lot down >> What is the name of that? We got to walk back into >> Whisper Ridge. >> Yeah. >> We We can't put pickle ball there. >> No. Can we take that? Can we use that fence? That's a lot of tall fence. And
would we is it worth using? >> I think that neighborhood wants to keep that. >> Yeah, the fence >> because I know fencing is going to cost a lot for this. So >> Okay. >> The fencing and the gates actually are
quite a bit of money. >> It's all included. Yeah. And that was no discount for the windcreens or uh benches which the pickle ball was talking about. That was literally give me a quote. They come in, they do everything. And the quote was with
concrete with the rubberized. And it was cheaper by quite a bit to go to black top, but you still got to do the rubber coat on there. So, I just wanted to give you a quote. >> Worst case scenario, do not exceed six courts.
>> Yeah, I have a I have a hard time just approving do not exceed that that big number, though. That's >> Yeah, not a good practice, I think, for government. But yeah, I I think it's it's great if we could get, you know, a couple more quotes. Um, do we have to I know it's probably typical. Do you have
to have a fence? >> It's okay. >> Definitely. >> Okay. >> Well, it gets it starting. So, the do not exceed I would get quotes from different vendors. >> Sure. >> You know what I mean? So, the the do not exceed just gets you started. Then if I get the three quotes. Well, and and just
if I could interrupt, because this is going to hit that threshold of potentially 175,000, it puts us into another category, which takes a considerable amount of time. It involves engineering to draft um big documents, that kind of thing. So, it's kind of why we wanted this is not typical of what we
do, but before we expend resources and time and staff's, you know, wages and doing a bunch of work to make sure it's really a viable project. >> I think it's a viable project. I'm I'm in office. We just have to figure out the the costs and the pricing. If you
want to come on up, just state your name and address for the record, please. >> Yeah, that's what I was going to imply. >> Good evening, Alyssa Chartran, 903 Rum River Drive Southwest. Um, just quickly, I know that on when you were doing that quick bid, you did get the concrete
pricing. That's not the preferred surface to play on. >> It is asphalt. >> Okay. So that should help when you're going out and getting bids. >> Yeah, it's it's cheaper with the black top for sure. >> Okay. >> And I didn't know that you guys would
rather have black top under the rubber. >> What's the longevity of the black top courses versus the concrete 20 verse 50 or >> you could minus $25,000 on a six? No, but the course like how long will it hold up? A black >> the durab the length of
>> 20 years service life versus 50 for the concrete or what's the trade-off >> concrete would just not crack as fast. It would hold up better. That's was their theory when they gave me the quotes. >> But cracks you just redo the coating. You fill the crack in or would that not
>> Yeah, you would be maintenancing the the black top more like because it would the cracks would spread wider than in concrete. >> Okay. So that and that rubber resurfacing stuff is fairly expensive. >> Okay. So Cambridge all their pickle ball
courts have the rubber on them. Okay. Um I'm I'm okay with your idea, Luke. I think it's the best way to go. Give this a few months. See if we can reach out for some uh funding on this. Um we have a little bit of time. We
probably still could get something going next summer if needed. Um, >> I think we should work on it at least till, you know, February, March, so that way if we we can find something and >> we have a whole season to play on it if we figure something out type of thing. >> We have road projects too next year,
right? >> What's that? >> We have road projects too next year. >> Yeah. And we could look into pairing it with road projects that I I don't know if it's I don't know. At the park meeting, they were saying that's how they were to drop the cost quite a bit was they had paired it with their street
projects they were doing. >> That's something to consider. Jeff, >> what are your thoughts? >> Um, I'm ready to move on the skate park aspect of it. I'm got some reservations on the pickle ball courts and the location. Um, but I see on the map that
we have is the future seasonal ice rink is in where the BMX parks vehicles and campers. How many >> in season? >> Yep. Yep. I know. Um, but how many races
does the BMX have in the winter time? >> Don't park there at all. >> Okay. Well, I've seen it plowed. So, >> so Okay. We plowed it the one year for illuminate Ice Annie.
>> Okay. >> That's all the only year we plowed it. >> Okay. >> So, it sounds like maybe we should, you know, break out uh the skate park section and talk about that. Nick, are you good with, you know, talking more about the pickle ball courts at the next meeting or or planning out trying to get more information? Is that sound like a
plan on that? >> Yeah, I'm not against it. Just it's a a lot of money. I'd like to drive that down as >> Yep. >> I think we can >> Okay. >> get a lot lower on it. >> Sounds good. So, we'll talk about this just the skate park part then. Um I think it's a it's a good plan. Um I
would still like to for us to maybe try and see if we can do something to save some money on the the changes with the uh the center ramp. What is that ramp called again? >> Pyramid. >> The pyramid ramp. Um, but I like, you know, the idea of just having a do not to exceed number on that line item
personally. Um, I think the other stuff is good and it I think it meets the need of what our skatepark users said would be the most beneficial at a pretty fair cost. Um, but that's my opinion. >> George, >> my opinion is I I like minimum what
we're doing and I'm still going to push for more. I I' still like his original plan that he presented. I'd like to be able to do the whole thing, but um >> I think we include that in a grant. >> I'm thinking this is minimum. >> Roll that into a grant with the pickle ball court and maybe we can pay $200,000 for the pickle ball court and get a
$200,000 skatepark for free. You that's >> right. That'd be nice. >> There's some flexibility there. And if we on a grant application, if you have two items that are, you know, different like that, you'd have a higher rank scoring, too. So, I >> mean, I'd really like as I'd really like to have that phase two minimum going
soon. That's all I'm saying. If if if especially if we get some funding for the pickle ball courts, I'd like to see phase two go ahead on the skateboard park, that'd be great. >> Okay. But you're good with what's presented for the skate park. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Josh, if you could just give a update on exactly what this is including. Um Stephanie's going to pull up um what that was because staff did solicit quotes. And so if we want to just actually accept that quote from them in that the dollar amount, she's
going to pull that up. But if you want to share, do you have that information? >> It was uh all of the I don't have it broken down on this sheet, but I have the total. Didn't you have another sheet? There it is.
>> Yeah. And that's not in our packet this week. So, >> oh, >> it's it's not. So, I was a little curious on that, but I know I'd seen it last month. >> Same as last month. >> We'll just have Stephanie read it. If you can just pull it from the packet from before. >> Sure. Thanks.
>> Oh, I thought I thought they had >> Thank you. It is for part one was $8,749 for the floating style deep deck. Um section two was 14,787
um for a fly box with grind boxes of varying heights and widths. Um, and section three, which is a long plaza style steel grind rail and which is $2,465.
Um, section four was one um 5 foot tall and 20 foot wide, 24 foot wide concrete bank ramp with integrated hip um made of concrete and steel for $29,252. And then five is a reconfiguration and
rehab service on existing only as necessary not to exceed $15,975. And so for the total amount it's $71,228. Jeff Nick, what are your thoughts? >> I'm okay with the 72,000
>> with the not to exceed on the the item five, which is the reconstruction. Okay. >> Well, and mayor and council, we can revise the resolution. So, if the if if this does pass um with a motion, second vote, um we could do it in the amount of exactly what it is um which was the
$71,228 uh and work through the vendor of Ramparts specifically and then the resolution will not include anything for the pickle ball court. >> Yep. >> Nick, are you good with the the proposal for the skateboard stuff?
>> Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't see where you're talking about line five. The resolution I has just shows three. >> I was reading off of that quote. >> Okay. >> It's the uh restructuring or re the moving of the existing and then fixing
up some of the existing. >> Okay. >> It'll be a not to exceed and hopefully maybe we'll get lucky and he can save a little money. So >> yeah, I'm fine with adding the stipulation to it. >> Okay.
So, I'll entertain a motion just to go ahead with the uh skatepark additions tonight. >> Motion to approve phase one of the skatepark. >> Motion to Yeah, I'll second the 71,228. >> Sounds good. There's a motion by Council Member Peterson, a second by Council
Member Heman. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. >> Motion carries 4. Thank you guys. It's been a lot of work and I really appreciate all the skaters that were involved and everybody else that was involved in that. So, thank you. All right, we will move on.
We will move on to item K2, uh, resolution to consider approving zoning map amendment for 209 Main Street West. >> Good evening, mayor and councel. Um, tonight we have a zoning map amendment for, sorry, just turning to the right
page. um 209 Main Street West and um Austin Assets LLC requested approval of this amendment. Um the property is currently zoned R3A, lowdensity multiple family um and is located adjacent to
what is currently the B1 um central business and D1 downtown overlay districts. Uh the city planning commission did conduct conduct a public hearing for the zoning map amendment on October 21st and did recommend approval of this. Moving forward, um the
applicant is here if you would like to ask any further additional questions. >> This is as presented to planning commission. Correct. >> Exactly. Yes. >> Okay. >> I don't have any questions. Do you guys? >> Motion to approve. >> Second.
>> Motion to approve by council member Heman. Second by council member Peterson. All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries 40. Thanks for coming in. All right. Uh, item K3, resolution to consider approving the determination of Minnesota paid leave law percentage for
employee and employer. >> Mayor and council, effective January of 2026. Um, we do have the Minnesota Paid Leave Act goes into effect and the contribution for the premium um is set what we have before you is set to be 50%
uh employer and 50% employee paid. Uh the total amount it' be 76% of wages. Um that'd be a 38% to the employer, 38% to the employee.
And um that amount of money comes to 27,31722 for the full premium, half being at $13,658.661. This is a program that is mandated through the state and the city does not have a choice in this one. >> Yep.
Uh, and we asked during the last meeting, I asked is that the the company we'd be going through, are they bonded and insured? So, if they default on if if for some for some reason they have a lot of claims more than they expect and they don't have enough money to cover that, are they bonded so that our investment in them is covered?
>> I apologize. I do not have that information. >> Well, I'm not okay with um approving this. That's a big risk until we get that. So, I would uh >> the table Is that okay? Or do we need to know that right now? >> This just needs to be passed before the
end of the year. >> December. Okay. All right. Now, I'll motion to table. Uh, do you guys have anything else? Um, any other questions you'd like before we have them go off with that? >> Second. >> Okay. A motion by myself to table, second by Council Member Peterson. All
in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? >> Motion carries 4. So, we will table that one. Okay. Next is the consent agenda. Do you guys have anything you'd like to pull out for a direct discussion or any questions on any of it?
>> None. >> Well, one second. I just wanted to pick out one more thing. No, I'm good. Jeff Nick. All right, I'll entertain a motion then. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion to approve by council member Heman. Second by council member
Peterson. All in favor of approving the consent agenda, say I. I. Any opposed? >> Motion carries. 40. Uh, do you guys have any other communications or questions, discussion, anything? >> I just want to mention I did follow up with the attorney and he's working on getting me an answer about the changing
the employee policy. >> Okay. Sounds good. Anything else? Otherwise, I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion by Council Member Peterson, second by Council Member Homegrren to adjurnn. All in favor say I. Any opposed?
>> Motion carries 40. We are adjourned. Part: 2
It is uh 7:54 and we will call this uh city council budget session to order. If we could all rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under
God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Doing roll call. All voting members are present minus council member Lundine. Uh public comment. Is there any public comment tonight? Shakria, you have any public comment?
>> All right. Well, hearing none, since there's nobody else here, uh we will close the public comment and we will move on to adopting the agenda. Any questions from you guys? >> Oh, motion to adopt. >> Second. >> Motion to adopt from council member Heman, second from council member Homegrren. All in favor say I.
>> I. Any opposed? Motion carries 40. The agenda is adopted. Uh now 2026 draft budget, Mr. Nick. >> Good evening, mayor and members council. So just getting another set of budget
stuff in front of you guys. The kind of highlights for what's changed since last time is we have the actual health insurance and dental rates updated in there for what our actuals will be for 2026. Um, we are still waiting on workers comp
insurance and property and liability insurance to come back. That will those applications were just submitted. So hopefully by middle of December we'll have those renewal rates and get those plugged in for next year. Um, other changes relating to it is we
dropped revenue projections for the liquor store. uh liquor store revenues are slightly down currently in 2025 and we had an expected increase for 2026 just based on how things have been in the past, but had to kind of re-evaluate that based on kind of the current
market. So, we set our 2026 budget numbers for revenue there to match up with what our budget was in 2025 with hopes that we see some slight increases and that things kind of turn around slightly there. Uh Keith mentioned to me
that it's been a trend statewide that all municipal liquor stores are hurting. I'm sure there's exceptions to that rule, but across the board, most of them are down in the current year from where they have been in the previous years. >> Is that because of cannabis? >> Um potentially. I think that there's
some changing consumer habits, too, where just not as many young people are drinking as it used to be in the past. And we're kind of seeing that kind of roll on where that younger demographic is not consuming as much alcohol as younger demographics were in the past.
And then Keith has also said that just customer counts have been down. He said the average purchase has increased, but there's just less people coming through the doors, too. So >> that could be an economic trend too showing a slowing economy probably less
likely to buy alcohol maybe. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So how did you say that was reflected in the budget or did you is it just stable or >> so? Yeah. Uh 2025 budgeted revenue for the liquor store is what I set the 2026 to just to match up keep that
anticipated revenue the same because we're expecting to fall short of those 2025 revenue projections. So, >> still give us a slight increase of probably where we end at 2025, but gives us hopefully a little more realistic >> expectation of where we think those
liquor store profits will be. >> Do you know how the the numbers have been um since it opened, Miss Wood? Maybe this is more of a you question. Do you know, you know, what the percentage increase has been every year? If we're to say an average, like are we talking 2%? I guess it's
probably hard to tell, but >> yeah, I'd have to do more research before I could answer that, but I do feel like this is the first time since the stores opened that we are seeing a decrease, >> right? >> Um, but I I maybe I can only think of one other month that it was not as high as another one that was due to the way
that the holiday fell maybe last year or something. But >> otherwise, I think that this is the first time in four years. >> Okay. Well, it sounds like a probably fair to just keep it flat then. What else you got, Nick? Any other
updates or changes to what we had talked about? >> Just trying to get you some of that liquor store information. From 23 to 24, we saw about a 3% increase in sales. So, that's kind of been where we've projected to is anywhere from that 2 to
5% for expected revenue increases. Some of it too as Keith talked about is like costs for a case of beer and for the bottles of liquor has increased in these previous years which has caused the price of those to also go up and that's
kind of steadied out too. So you don't have those inflationary bumps as much too currently. So, um, other than that, only changes in there were, um, some additions for the social media archiving
that you approved at the last meeting. That's been added into the budget for 2026 for that yearly renewal. Um, uh, trying to think what else we got.
Oh, uh, also updated allocate allocation for the new copier that was approved for city hall. So reflecting what that new contract rate will be. We also have, uh, four licenses being renewed for the police department. Originally that was
set to three. Now that's four for the 2026 just based on who is up for renewal for the post stuff. >> Okay. um incidental overtime for PD. We also bumped $15,000 just to better reflect kind of where we've been at. That number
had been set at 30,000, bumped it up to 45,000 just to make sure that we're covered. Hopefully now that we are fully staffed, that will projection will come in under that, but just want to try and be as realistic as possible just based on the conditions that we've had the
previous couple of years. >> I would like to keep that at 30. I think we got to live within our means. And if we've hired full-time, that would take away a lot of the the overtime. >> Okay. >> That's where most of it came from. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> I know John likes overtime. >> Yeah. But it'll be nice. Now you're you're fully staffed. How's that been going, John? Is it >> Well, that that officer is still on field training, so >> Sure. >> We're fully staffed in that matter. >> Sure.
>> Not fully staffed as in road shift. How much longer is that? Um, >> could be it. I can't give you an exact number because it's all based on the person. If we hired somebody with 10 years experience, it's this amount of time on average. We hire a completely new person,
>> the the process is longer and it can be extended to help them acquire this the like the tools that they need and the abilities to do the job correctly. So, I can't give you a definitive answer on that. >> Okay. >> Hopefully within the next 90 days. Oh,
okay. So, it's okay. Sounds good. Do you John, would you anticipate that we're going to have more overtime next year than I mean, if you were just a guess, would you think we'd have more or less similar as as what we've had or >> Well, overtime is always there in our
business because we run 24 hours a day, seven days a week. >> And if people people are afforded vacation time and we encourage them to use it. So, we like to keep our staffing numbers where we do our to provide for the community. >> That overtime is really always there and
there's nothing you can really do to get around. >> Sure. >> We back fill those shifts to make sure we have the coverage for the needs of our citizens. >> That's that's just the nuts and bolts. >> Have you felt like it's been adequate? Nick, do you have the overtime numbers
or did you see them from the last couple years? I mean, >> yeah, I can pull them up here. >> Okay. I just don't want to overshoot. I would like to be as conservative as we can on that. >> Yep. So 2024 actual ended up being
$84,000 and 2023 actual was $52,000. So with that 45, it was kind of expecting us to get back to staffing levels from 2023. >> Okay. Is that the furthest back that you have
on the overtime handy? >> 2022 was $90,000. 2021 was $70,000. >> Okay. So 45 is definitely not. Okay. >> Yeah. trying to be reasonable with it without taking too big of a leap there because we're hoping that
with the potentially being fully staffed out, there's always, like John said, going to be overtime, but hopefully the amount of overtime that needs to get covered can be reduced slightly. >> Okay. >> I would like to add one thing, mayor and council.
>> I wouldn't want to project it too low. I'm not the finance guy, but if one of my people gets hurt, >> right? >> I mean, that could happen at any day, any shift, for any reason. >> If you put it too low, then we're going to be in a world of hurt trying to >> to make that difference up. And I I
mean, I'm I'm not saying anybody's going to get hurt, but >> right, >> it's a relative thing in our profession. So, >> Sure. Yeah. I think 45,000 after hearing those numbers is probably realistic. I'm surprised we never talked about that before. if we were only putting in 30 and we're having 84, 90,000, 70,000,
52,000. I'm surprised that never came up. But maybe Mike was more conservative with that number back in there. More less conservative with that back in the day and we never >> Okay. >> Yeah. Might have been trying to live in a ideal world, which has not been where
we've been currently. And hopefully things improve slightly in that 45,000 number. We'll be >> Thanks for putting in perspective. >> Yeah, good job catching that, Nick and Jeff. Do you have any questions on that specifically or concerns about the having 45 instead of 30? I mean it'll
increase our budget 15,000 bucks, but I mean it if you're going to have to you have to have it, Nick? >> No. >> Okay, sounds good. Anything else that you had mentioned or >> another change that we'll see on there
is with our new parks person starting, there's an update for wages. So wages increase slightly for 2026 from what was originally projected. And then also we currently have, I believe, $2500 for a traffic study for Whiskey Road, an
informal traffic study. I was wondering if that is still something that we are anticipating having some costs for in 2026, or is that something that we've been working with on the county to see what their plans are? >> Let's see. We pull that off. We're probably going to have to I think we I
think we talked about doing that to see if uh like if what turn kind of traffic calming techniques that we would recommend, but >> I don't think we necessarily need the traffic. Do you remember why we had that in there, Miss Wood? >> Because we've had a lot of complaints on that road.
>> Was that for speeding? And that was >> that was out on whiskey before it gets to the turn there. >> So, was that to address speeding or or like just a traffic count? Well, that was to actually if if it does take a traffic study to reduce that speed. It was in hopes that we could partnership
with the county to pay for the traffic study. >> Okay. >> To get it lowered. >> I'm still convinced there's got to be a way to get that that speed limit lowered with enough push from the city and the county. >> Sounds like though if you do a traffic study and it shows a it could go up a higher rate of speeding, then they'll
change the limit to make it compliant as opposed to >> changing the road. John, do you know on have we gotten those numbers? >> Have we gotten the data from um that intersection over there off of South Pastards and Whiskey? I know Travis had put the traffic or the the thing out
there, >> but I don't know if we've seen it. >> I haven't seen it, but I can check with our office staff, Mary, because you guys constantly have us move that around, right? So, >> got to use it. >> It's hard to bring what you want to the meeting. >> Sure. >> So, >> okay.
>> We can we can check into it for you, though. Okay. I'd be curious to see that. I don't know that we necessarily need a traffic study, but I would like us to keep putting more pressure on the county and the state to just change that speed limit. >> There's got to be a way. >> So, that could probably be removed. >> Okay.
>> I will remove that then for the next budget coming to you guys. And that is uh the changes that I had on there. So, if there's any other questions, anything else that stuck out or anything else you guys got questions on, let me know and I can get back to you or bring it back at
the next meeting that we're planning on talking on budget. I guess going on that, when is the next time you guys would like to see this budget? Do you want it to come back on the 18th or would you like to hold off until that first meeting in December?
>> What do you guys think? >> I know we had this discussion. I thought we put some dates down. I mean, we're probably good at this point till the first week of December because we're waiting for other numbers to come in anyway. >> And in that first week in December, we would have another meeting after that. Correct.
>> One more. >> Correct. Yep. We would have one more. Uh December 26th is our last day to get those final numbers to the county. I believe that was touched on at last meeting. So yeah, 26th if I have a finalized budget at that second meeting
in December, that would give me enough time to get all the information and forms put together for the county. >> Okay. So I just have a quick question. The the levy is 5.05%. How much would we have to cut to make that zero if if just
a >> Well, we plan on using some money from reserves to make it flat. >> Yeah, that's for the tax rate. Yeah, I'm just curious about the 5% levy. It might not be feasible to get that down because we have growth, but
>> Yeah. So, that would be we would need to cut another $182,000 from that, which most likely that would have to be something that would be pulled from reserves. Yeah. >> And we're already planning on using I believe it's around $170,000 of reserves
to cover the operating budget for general fund in 2026. So, >> okay, >> that would double it up. So, 185 185,000 is the current amount that we're projecting to use from our reserves to cover in 2026. So basically have to
double that up to about 360,000. >> Got it. >> Get that to a flat amount. >> Okay. Where would that put the fun percent at? >> That would put our unreserved fund balance and general fund at 47%. And what's it at right now?
>> At the end of 2024, it was 62%. >> Okay. >> And ideal was 40 to 60. >> Yep. Somewhere in that range. I believe 40 to 70 was the set range. And then able to go down to 30, I believe, is our
policy. But then that would include a plan to build that reserve back up to get it back in that 40% range. >> So, >> what do you think, Jeff, about the fund balance? You were the fun balanced man last year. I think you had a bike a bet going with Mike and
>> um is there a way to get a projection if you know how either are we on budget for this year or below budget? Can you like throw a educated guess at that by you know >> Yeah, I can give that >> and not here on the spot but
>> yeah I can work on pulling some info together because obviously with uh building permits and all that stuff that It's hard to project where we think we're going to be, but yeah, I can give it a look and see what I have through the end of September and try to project that out for where we think we're >> I know we have to go through an audit
and everything to make sure it's spot on, but >> we're going to put your skills to test this year. >> Yeah. Yep. And so just with that fund balance reserve, I think we just want to be conservative with how much we're dropping with that. We don't want to drop it so far that then we're back to
the point where we need to build that fund balance back up. I think trying to creep that number down and then keep it at the percentage that we're comfortable at, whether that's 40%, whether that's 50%, be able to kind of level that off and stabilize it just so we don't have
those big swings where all of a sudden we need to generate more tax revenue to be able to get that fund balance back to where we need to go. >> And would um I know we have some development going on. uh would that be included in our
projections for the budget like the the commercial value of you know say if there's more development that comes next year we have the one apartment building that's coming um is that already included in the projections that you have or does that go on afterwards or do you do you plan for that or is that too hard to plan for?
>> We stay pretty conservative with the permit revenue and what we're expecting to pay out to our building officials just to because none of that's guaranteed. things could always like go on pause. Our developers could just all say, "Yeah, we're pausing for this
year." And then we may only end up having just the apartment building on there. So, >> okay. >> Try and stay kind of conservative. >> Easy way to get burned. >> Yeah. And let that come in in better light because that's generally only a positive thing. We don't want to overestimate and over rely on that
revenue and then get burned by it. >> Sounds good. >> Would you would you say we're still on average bu um building projects or permits or do you think we're trending below or from what you're seeing this year? So far
this year, >> we're having a good year for building permits still for single family housing. We've reached already what we had last year. So we're already above that number. >> So we're still trending in the right direction. We've had, you know, two more apartments pull
their permits. The Centennial Apartments just pulled their permits this year. And so that will be in this year. And um also the fourth building of the Park Brook Apartments as well. And so good so far. And our regular permits as far as like remodels and all of that stuff is
staying really really strong. So we've had a good year of permitting. >> And do we do we still have a lot of interest from other businesses and stuff wanting to relocate or continue to build here or? >> Yep. I've been very busy just fielding calls. nothing in the I mean you can't
guarantee any of those but >> I'd rather have the calls than no calls >> right so the interest is good it's showing a strong sign for next spring looks good so far so yeah >> and I've said this before but we have a bit of a competitive advantage because we're business friendly and tax friendly
so yeah over over some of the neighboring cities there's a lot of people that contact us and I know I know that we've gotten some of these because we do have better policies with that so >> it'd be nice to attract some of those businesses Yeah, >> it's coming.
>> It is. >> Um, I had a question. Uh, the sewer, uh, we have a sewer bond 2014b go fun. Go bond. It says November 2025 final payment. Have we made that payment yet
or? >> Yes, that payment should be going out. Yeah, that should be in the current check batch. Should be on its way out of here once we get our final sign. >> So, that's another uh debt load we can swipe off the books. >> I assume that's already off the books
and accounted for. >> Yeah, with this final payment, that'll be it. And then, yeah, for projections for 2026, their debt and interest payments should be reduced for that no longer being on the roll. >> So, they are they are already reduced in
what we see here. Okay, got it. >> Yep. 2026 is set for what our actual bond payments are going to be. That's all set based on the amortization schedules we have for those remaining active bonds. >> That's great. Mike would be pleased about that. He's his big thing was, you
know, let's get rid of this debt. And I'm a big proponent of less debt. So that's a >> Hey, we got another one rolling off in August of 2026, too. >> Yeah. Get rid of that debt. It kills communities. So, >> Yep. And so with some of the future water and sewer projects, if we have
large improvements, we may have to go back out for debt. But at the current rate, we don't have anything that is for sure planned to have debt relating to it, but that can change based on when things need to pop up and where we're kind of sitting with our cash flows.
>> Sure. >> Do we have to recalculate our our rates for water and sewer? Those have already been approved for 2026. So yeah, >> those were taking those into account the
last time we did a right study is knowing that those were falling off. >> Okay. >> Have we noticed any decrease in water usage? It's it's kind of hard to tell because this year was so wet, but has that been has that been fruitful on the commercial side or any of the big users?
Have you noticed? I mean, maybe that you don't haven't had time to look at all that, but >> yeah, just in my general understanding, our water usage is down from what our utility biller said, those uh different commercial businesses that we reached out to and had conversations with that
were had those very high usage rates have toned it back. We're currently working on getting the list kind of compiled again and probably working with Josh to reach out to those different businesses that still are high just to
see if we can make any progress and get them to have a little more conservative water usage. So, >> have we uh noticed if some of the high usage residential, have we noticed that those like top 5% are trending lower or
>> That's a good question. I know that mainly the big commercial users were the focus most recent time, but yeah, we can look at res. >> There's some residential homes that are 80, 90, 100,000 gallons a month in the summertime. >> It's crazy. That's not I never thought
that was possible, >> you know, and we and we raised the rates on those high users, hoping that they'd notice. And I know that uh >> I was just hoping they'd do it on their own. Maybe if it's a wetter year, they're not using their strength systems as much or I don't know.
>> Yeah. So, we'll continue to work with those high usage customers to just try and preach conservative water usage so that we can continue to manage our water resources well. >> Was it the commercial reductions? Were
those like double digit or single digit? Those were very significant. I would say probably tens of thousands of gallons a month with those. So, yeah. And it kind of case by case. Some of them didn't have big changes, but some of them very
significantly reduced it. A lot of it was irrigation water that they were just over irrigating, which they didn't have a problem with paying the bill, but we want them to be smart with how much water they're using.
>> If not, you're going to pay. >> Yep. >> Happened before you were on council. We sent out >> we spent a lot of time talking about water. Yeah. Do you remember those odd even water restriction signs? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then I heard talk about a
splash pad at the same time. >> Yeah. That was an interesting deal. >> Reaching out to the highest end users of the water really brought the usage down because it was I think it was only like four or five% of the total water usage
was being used by Yeah, >> a large percentage was being used by four or 5%. >> The 9010 rule in effect. >> Any other questions on the budget? >> So, what numbers will you have? You said
uh which numbers are missing projections that you don't have yet? >> Work comp and property and casualty insurance. those renewal forms got submitted. One got submitted last week, one was supposed to get submitted today, and then from that getting turned in,
it's generally a 30-day turnaround till we'll get our quotes back. So, it'll be tight for getting it updated for the next budget work session, but can get it closer. And then, um, union contracts, as you guys are aware, are not settled yet. So there will still be some changes
there reflected too with those salaries also, but we'll get those when we get those. >> Do you know what your property and casual insurance um estimate was? Is it up a certain percent? Do you remember? >> Um talking with our rep, he thought that
our property and casualty would see slight decreases and our work comp would see slight increases, but he said they're likely from his projections going to offset each other. So, I've left those numbers as is for now and then we can do that reclassing. >> Okay. >> Once we know that that's the way it's
going to fall, too. >> Okay. >> But yeah, just from market and everything that's going on and from our previous claim history, that's where he anticipated it trending. >> Sounds good. >> Any other questions?
>> I'm good. >> All righty. Well, sounds good. It sounds like we'll have our next budget council meeting, our budget session. Uh the first meeting in December and uh that would be e >> December 2nd. >> Yeah. And that's EDA. So do we want to
have it after EDA if we have EDA? >> Truth and taxation would be the following meeting. >> Same meeting. What we've done in the past is in the first meeting in December, we've done that truth and taxation which is where
we I mean we've still made changes to that final budget and brought it back but we still had the public hearing and everything on that. >> I think we should do that December 2nd because then if we hear some some good idea from a public member about you know you could cut this. Okay. >> Yeah. gives that as you know we usually
have a lot of people who come and they do provide good insight and information and it it >> fits with the other uh like the county doing when they do theirs and stuff like that because I we'd have to look at the calendar to see because I'd hate to have it on the same day same time or something and then they couldn't attend both so
>> okay well so we could do it >> truth and taxation that first meeting December and then the second meeting would just be any changes >> it' be the actual final adoption >> final adoption yeah >> let's keep the truth and taxation the same. >> Yeah. So, that would be our our budget
meeting was would be during the city council meeting that night. Okay, that's fine. >> Sounds good. And then uh schedule the the last meeting for the sec for December whatever week day that is the 16th or whatever. >> Yep. 16th for final budget adoption.
>> And that'll again just be during the council meeting. >> Okay. Yeah, >> sounds good. Any other questions or concerns, guys? Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Motion to adjourn by council member uh
Peterson, second by council member Homegrren. All in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? >> Motion carries 40. We are adjourned and we will pick up EDA.