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--------- All right, it's 5 o'clock. We'll call this pledge meeting to order. We can all rise for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for its one nation for all.

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Doing roll call. Uh Erica is not here. She'll let you know she'd be later. And Steve is not here, but the rest of us are. We'll open the floor for public If there's any public comment, we have a three minute time. >> Carol, are you here for public comment? >> No.

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>> Okay, sounds good. Hearing no public comment, we'll close the public comment and we will move on to work session item E1. Mr. Sberg, >> evening, mayor and members of council. So, we're going to be running through

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our first look at the 2027 budget. We'll kind of work through the packet as it's laid out in front of you and you guys can follow along. I'll be trying to cover some of just the high level points, give you guys some detail on any changes that we've seen from 26 27 and

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then once I kind of run through that first set of stuff, just let me know if you have any questions, then we'll get into a little more detail. So start going from here. So first thing I prepared here is just a

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little memo let you guys know kind of some of the changes and assumptions that we're making for the 2027 budget. I would say the big pieces here is that we are anticipating a 10% increase for health insurance from 26 to 27

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5% increase for workers compensation rates and flat amount for our property liability and casualty insurance 5% increase along with 5% increase in life coverage.

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Our fund balance is anticipated to increase by zero dollars. With this set budget, we're having a budget neutral option that's being presented here tonight to start with. And then our taxable market values increase 6.94%

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from 2026 to 2027 taxable market values. That's information that is provided by the assessor county. >> That that's 6.94% includes uh new development value as well. Yeah, it's about half uh new

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construction or improvements versus >> to clarify those are all hopefully worst case scenarios to do >> as far as what we're presenting today for like the 10% 5%. Yeah, it's based on kind of what we've seen over the last

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few years. Obviously things could change there and we'll know when we our quotes for insurance. >> Um, so the budget that's going to be in front of you today has a 9.8% tax levy increase from 2026 to 2027. This would

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increase the tax rate by 2.48% from 2026 2027. And one item that I will highlight with our budget that I put in there is that we are including $165,000 transfer from the EDA to the general

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fund. This is for the proceeds from the sale of the land and industrial parks as part of our budget. We're transferring that money from the >> and that was at the direction of city council at the end of last year when that property sold. just had actually

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sold and gone through until this calendar year. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, moving on to the information prepared. We want to get to the schedule that I have laid out for the

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2027 budget. America catch up here. >> Let me know for the record. Mr. Don was here at 53 p.m. >> All right. So, for the 2027 budget schedule, just kind of wanted to lay out

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steps for you guys. I know last year there's a lot of talk about the timeline on these things and I just wanted to get something in front of you so everyone's kind of on the same page for what our deadlines are and where we're kind of working towards. So, with this meeting, my My plan is to inform you guys about our tax levy, our history, and our

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projections for 2027. Also run through the operating budgets for our general fund, EDA, street funds, water, sewer, storm, sewer, technology, and capital fund. These are going to be a little more high level. The plan is to

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kind of come back. Our next budget work session will be at the first meeting in August. At that time, the department heads are out to be here to be able to ask specific questions or come back with comments of any questions you guys have tonight. So that's kind of what this

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session will look like and then what the plan is for our next budget work session. And then down below I have listed out our important dates. So September 30th is when our preliminary levy is due to the county and this is what will go out on the estimated

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property tax statements that go out in October to home owners. So generally we have finalized preliminary levy either the first or second meeting in September just depended on where we're at in the budget process. So same thing this year

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but finalizing that preliminary first or second meeting in September. Uh then November 24th is the earliest the city can hold their truth and taxation meeting. We generally hold ours the first meeting in December and we plan to

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continue doing that for our 2026 budget and then finalizing of our levy to the county is due before December 28th. So generally we approve that at the taxation meeting that first meeting

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in December also sometimes goes into the second meeting still gives us enough time to prep all our documents and get everything over. >> Is that September 30th date the date that when we send the county a number we

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can't go higher but we can go lower. >> Okay. >> Yeah. That is the point where that sets our ceiling. Move on to the next page. Our proposal this year is 3,969,857. It is a 9.8% increase from our 2026

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budget to our 2027. The big things kind of making this up is a 14% increase to our general fund levy, 3% increase to our capital maintenance levy, 4% increase to the street construction, and 5.8% increase in our

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debt service levy. Where we've kind of been at historically is we've been at the 3.6 million number for 2026 and 2025. Both those numbers are the same since we had a 0% increase in our total amount in 26 compared to

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2025. And then 2024 we're at 3.55 million and then 2023 we're at about 3.7 million for our total tax which is reflected on that

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like I just said earlier this is assuming we are adding Zudget We're not using any reserves and we're not adding anything to reserves as the budget. Going on to our next page, we've got our

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projected tax rate for 2027. Like I said before, we're anticipating a 2.48% increase that tax rate is currently presented. On the chart below, you can kind of see where we've been in the past where that has been steadily dropping.

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In the 15year range, we have dropped that amount by 32%. The current rate that would be our new amount would be about 42.6%. Last year we had a 41.6%

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tax rate. Going to our next page is our summary of our general fund operating budget. Uh that kind of highlights that we have here is we have that 14% increase in property taxes. Along with that, we have

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a 246% increase in license permits. This like when do we talk about all this? Are you just going to go over all of it and then we like jump back in? >> Yeah. Yeah. Or if you have questions, feel free to inter.

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>> Um, so license and permit stuff, but it's increasing by 246%. That's us trying to better anticipate what our building permit, plumbing permit, electrical permit, capital permit revenue looks like. We've been very conservative in the past and have

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always came in above that number the last three or four years. So trying to bump that up to better project where we're hoping to end the year at. So that's why we see a large increase there as we're just trying to look back our historical data and get that number

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closer to where we think we want. >> That's a revenue uh topic there. Do you know how much of that is new construction versusum or upgrades approximately if you were to guess percentage wise 5050 less.

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>> Yeah, that's information we can bring back in the next going down. We have slight increase in our intergovernmental revenue along with our charges for services and then our transfers in being our other significant

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bump in general fund revenue with a 29% increase. That's for that 165,000 that's being added into those transfers from that transfer. Overall, it's increasing our general fund revenue by 16.

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Kind of going down our departments. We have just like four to somewhere from three to 5% bumps on most of our departments working down. These are mainly for wages and then inflationary adjustments. operating supplies and

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slight increases in technology or training stuff like that. The big one that stuck out there is our building inspection administration increasing by 18%. That is matching up our license and permit revenue with our contract river.

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We pay 80% of our fees roughly on each river. So as those license permits go up, so do our fees paid to them. So that's the majority of that question on that. So that 108% increase

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is is that because we have almost 100 100% increase in building permits this year or will by the time the year is over. >> Yeah. Just kind of what our projections looking like. We've always projected our building permit revenue since 2022.

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We've been pretty conservative with it. So we are increasing that for the first time this year to try and get closer where we've been heading the last few years. So that goes that 240% increase revenue is the same thing as driving

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that increase in cost for >> we just want to remain conservative because we can't predict the market. We don't know what's going to happen. We don't know what's or right now we don't have a lot of lots. So it's not that we generally just don't have a place to build houses

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right now. So it's probably more limited. We're getting more lots right now. They're ready for this year and next year. >> Yeah. And all these numbers are conservative. So it's expected that some of them will be less uh probably as the year goes around we'll when we get

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closer to the end of the year we'll have a better idea. This is just all preliminary. Um, there's a lot that happens between now and and December. I think every year we usually start out with a somewhat high levy increase and we work our way down. It's usually half or less to where we where we were.

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>> Yeah. Um, so then getting down to the bottom, we end up with a 7.16% increase in our general fund expenditures from our 2026 budget to our 2027 budget. The main drivers of our increase just departmentwide and general

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fundwide is we have about $130,000 increase in wages and benefits whether that be full step adjustments for the employers in the general fund or change in projected insurance costs. So that's 130,000 increase in building inspection fees is

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$177,000. And then fire district. We're anticipating a $10,000 increase in fire district contribution just because we're getting close to our budgeted number this year. So want to continue to give ourselves room there so we're not under budget when that when that comes into

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us. And then the remaining amount there is right around $36,000 of adjustments to operating expenses. Whether that be changes in operating supplies, inflationary adjustments that were applied to those or changing.

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>> Can you tell me um is there something specific on the miscellaneous that it dropped 35%. Yeah. So, our miscellaneous is basically all made up of our tax abatements that we pay out. So, that amount is dropping

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because we're getting towards the end of our tax dropping year to year. >> So, it looks like that one came down about $4,000. >> Yep. Yeah. Roughly the same that we'll anticipate next year's

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Our next page is kind of just a summary by department of our different departments that have budgets over $10,000. Looking through these slides, I notice the far right does not have anything on it. The label on that should be transfers.

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So right now our transfers are under $100,000. There is one year I believe it is 25 where those were over 100,000. So there were something that'll just roll off of this graphic next time.

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And then next page, similar thing, just kind of laid out pie chart to give you kind of a general understanding of where we're spending our money in the general fund and labeled there to match them up with kind of our general fund summary of the amount spent by each department.

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After this, these are a couple new graphics that I put together just to give us kind of a better a different look kind of where our money is being spent trying to get good information out there. So the top piece is kind of a breakdown on $100

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bill of where your property taxes go in general. So the breakdown here is that on your property tax bill, this is for 2025 rates about 40% of that would go to the city of San another 40% of that

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would go to the county and then about 18% of that school district. Just something I want to put together because I don't think we've ever quite seen it that way and I think often times there's the public would like to know where do my

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So hopefully this graphic and the one below can kind of give people a better idea of what they're funed and how they're funed. >> Yeah, I think that that graphic you had there is great. When we met a couple weeks ago and talked about this, it was awesome to see this. I think people should see that, you know, roughly 40%

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of their tax dollars to the city of West goes toward directly towards public safety, you know, and it's it's good to see uh where this money is going. It'd be really interesting to see how it's changed in the last 10 years or how it compares to a lot of other cities. I know a lot of other cities have much more debt payment as a result. They have

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to cut other places. So, good job with that graph. It's awesome. >> Yeah. Just to kind of cover the highlights on that pie chart. So, public safety that's including police department, fire department contribution, and then our

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building inspections administration is what ends up making up that total 39% that's on the chart there. Other things to highlight is our debt payment is 5% of that graph. And then our street maintenance makes up about

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11% of the tax dollars you pay. And then capital mainted in 2027. This factors in other money that we receive from other sources to offset the expenses department. specific police aid and get specific

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training reimbursement from police. So we pulled that out of those department those expenses are covered. So kind of gives a fair shake of if you pay $1,000 the city by saying this with my $1,000 $390

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kind of give you a good breakdown to see where your tax dollars are being used. And after year 2029, we're expecting that debt payment to be 0%. Correct? Levy debt free in 2029. >> So we'll have 5% more to work with.

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>> Yeah. Open up some options for us. >> So these next few pages, we're going to be kind of going over the other other funds and kind of any changes that we have there. So first fund up is our

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EDA fund. Big change that we have in there this year is that we are levying for just enough money to cover the operating expenses in the EDA. I know we've talked in the past about whether or not we wanted money to roll into their fund balance or not.

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just leaving it kind of neutral so that they shouldn't be spending more money than they're bringing in, but aren't rolling anything. The big increase in expenditures you see in there is because we do have that transfer of that 165,000

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land. Next one up is the water fund. um pretty standard here. Uh we have set rate increases that were approved a few years ago. So those will continue to roll in. Our revenue projections right now are

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kind of steady with where we are in 2026. Kind to see where water usage goes in the next few months here. Get better projections on that revenue as we get a little closer to the end of the year. And I know uh some years

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there's more and less spending in that, correct? So some years we won't spend much, so we'll have a an income and some years you have a loss. It just kind of es and flows like that. >> Yep. That that income is driven a lot by how much we're spending on capital expenditures. So if we have big

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replacement stuff or if we have certain projects that we're working on how that shakes up and what our timing is on those projects. So is part of that for this year is part of that our well project >> that would be for what it was in 2026

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off the top of my head I don't know what projects like >> okay sounds good but that's all advertised out over a longterm schedule and you're are you happy with that account? >> Okay. >> Yeah. Overall our water sewer and storm

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funds are all in good shape. I believe we'll get to here in the next couple pages kind of where we're at each of those calls are position services. Similar thing there with water. As we get further into the year, we'll be able

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to better project kind of where that revenue goes. Our last debt payment that we currently have for the sewer fund is in 202 future capital projects or savings there. So something to look forward to

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that fund. >> So that's approximately a quart million dollars. >> Yep. >> Okay. So 2029 we'll have more money going into the account. >> Yep. Yeah. That maybe to help fund future debt projects, all that stuff, too. So see where that goes. We have a

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lot of stuff going on with our sewer fund that we're currently working on getting figured out. So see where that kind of idea here by the end of the year. I'm sure. >> So that's not a huge I guess I looked at that as a concern with that much of a negative balance coming in and the water

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that's being projected to be used res. >> Yeah. >> But you say >> overall we're good and we're still cash flowing positively there. So some of this too is with how we do budget these things. We are budgeting a

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negative net income but stuff will get capitalized into assets which will take it out of those expenses at the end of the year and kind of wipe out a lot of what that is. the accounting stuff that we kind of do at the end of the year that kind of makes some changes in there. But yeah,

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overall it's doing good. As long as we're seeing that net cash flow, which is that number that income, >> as long as that continues to stay in the positive, we're doing okay. Or if it is in the negative, we better know why that is or what project

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comfortable with where we're at. So basically, Erica, what that means is some years we have more expenditures on sewer and water infrastructure. So, uh, like last year we might have spent less on sewer infrastructure, so there might have been a $200,000 surplus. This year we spent more. Um, so it's it's just one

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of those things that every year is a little different on what we have for projects and replacement. >> Yeah. I mean, what I was reading up on it, it just seems to be a rather large negative or large loss and the debt doesn't cancel until 2029. And I just I just want to make sure that we're

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Because again, if we're building a new water treatment facility, then we're also going to take on a lot more sewer and are we prepared for that? Especially if we're talking zero, we're not putting any cash into that emergency fund. So, that was one area that I thought

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that's a really >> Well, these these have their own funds. >> So, that doesn't have anything. >> That one's running negative. Yeah. >> No, it's still it's still running positive. >> It's running positive, but it has a loss >> of the income. >> So, if we increase our citizenship over

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and all these new people. >> We went over our rates a couple years ago last year. >> Uh I think it's two years ago and we we did adjust rates knowing that we would have big infrastructure coming. Um so if you look at the percent per gallon cost that's a little higher now to account

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for that and we uh actually accounted for um the full use of uh of the water that was being used but we're anticipating that there will be some reduction in use too which is great. Um I think we've seen that because people are getting a little bit higher bills, like if they they irrigate their lawn every single day. They're seeing a

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little higher bill. So then we can reach out to them and say, "Hey, you guys could cut your irrigation in half, save yourself a couple hundred bucks a month, save our city infrastructure, and your grass will still be as green." I think we've seen good results from that. I talked to Josh about it the other day, and that's been something positive. Um, but we are setting ourselves up for like

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another water tower plant, um, the sewer treatment plant. So, all that stuff is planned for. Uh, we're one of the few cities in Minnesota that actually plans all this stuff out. our capital improvement goes up to 40 years. Um there's not very many cities that are as prepared. Uh so some of these numbers like if you look at in a yearly rotation

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it can be scary but if you look back kind of have some flows every year. So it's a good question though fund. We have slight income on that fund. This is basically just dealing with all our surface waters. specifically here for all of our MS

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components, all that stuff. Nothing new here. No adjustments to the monthly or the semi right there. So, kind of staying pretty standard. This is kind of almost exactly where I'd expect this fun to end up by the time we're at our last session.

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Moving on to the liquor store, we are projecting a $25,000 net loss at this time. That's just due to our transfer being set at kind of that $500,000 rate. It's also Keith and

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I being pretty conservative with our estimates. There is some stuff with potential the THC stuff being banned in the state of Minnesota and some of that that's given us a little uncertainty. So, we're just being very conservative with our revenue estimates at this

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point. So, we've got more clarity kind of on how all that's going to shake out and get us through another season of when it gets busy. As it warms up, we sell more liquor so we can have a little better projection of where we're going

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to be in 26 where we're going to be in 2027. Continue to work on getting those updated as we get later in the year and hopefully see that income shrink and hopefully get to a positive number by the end of the year. >> So, I'd like to clarify that. Is that

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$25,000? Is that including if THC sales just aren't there at all? >> No, that still had a placeholder in there that I believe is the same amount that it was in 2026. So that number still is in there. Without that number in there, just kind

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of off the top of my head, it's probably $40,000 lost there. But we'll see with some of that too if that stuff is turn people back to just the regular options too. So we may see growth in other areas

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there too. So yeah, something we are working on and keeping an eye on. >> Okay. And also just to clarify the so the point of the liquor store obviously is to make profit. so we can reduce the taxpayer burden. Uh the last few years we put in approximately $500,000. So it's not that the liquor store is losing

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money that we're still turning roughly at a $500,000 profit that's going back to the community. It's just you have these small incomes and losses every year when looking at the fund balance and stuff like that. So I don't want anybody to think that the liquor store is losing money because that's not not how it is. >> Yes.

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>> Yes. Before the transfer, the liquor store would make $475,000. after the transfer that's $25,000. >> Obviously, that transfer is not required. So, if that's something over the long term that we need to change

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slightly so that continues to be able to grow, that's always an option, but just at least that's kind of how it's our reserves in that fund are healthy enough where we do have $25,000 loss. That's

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What's the I think you told me the reserve was around 30% on that. What's the actual monetary value? So that's the savings account for the liquor store essentially. >> Yeah. So I believe we ended 2025 with

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around $1 million in cash in that fund. What we generally try to keep in there six months of operating expenses plus any debt payments basically is what you're anticipating. kind of the baseline we have set kind of

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just a easy way to project where we need to be. So I believe at what we are holding we our anticipated expenditures and debt payments is only 70% of that 1 million. So we're still pretty healthy there. Once that kind of gets more to that one

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ratio evaluate a little more if there's anything else that need. >> Sure. So the fund balance is north of 30%. uh most liquor stores are 10 to 15%. Uh just so you guys have a little bit of awareness on that. Also, I think a good thing to mention in 2029 we'll

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have that uh or 2036 our defendant debt payment will be dropping off on that. Um that's 250,000 a year roughly. Um so that's another good thing that you know we can see that even if you have a you know for the next 10 years a $25,000 net loss after the transfers, you're still

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going to break even on your money the next year. you'll be ahead because you're saving that $250,000 to make up for that. Um, so it's not an instant gratification type deal, but over the long term, uh, it's it's wise to, uh, plan for that. Then moving on to our last fund is our

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debt service fund. This is the fund that we use to levy for our debt that's on San Diego Arena, the BMX Arena. Uh, this debt has final debt payment made in 2030. So the last time we will levy tax

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dollars for will be 2029. So towards the end site there that dollar amount that we levy for is set based on what our expected levy payment is the following year. So that is what you see right now is what you'll be seeing the rest of the

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way through. >> So that'll end in 2029 and that'll be approximately $200,000 less that has to come from the general fund. >> Yep. just dollars that we will need to levy specifically for our

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>> any questions so far on any of the funds or anything. So from here we'll kind of move specifically into some of our line item stuff. Again just trying to give a highle overview of what we're looking at

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with our taxes. anticipating that 14% increase like we talked about. That's just additional tax dollars that we'll be having. >> License revenue is correct. >> Yes. Starting off with the revenues here. So then next thing down is license revenue. You can see on the building

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permit fee, plant check fee, plumbing permit fee, fee. four lines in a row. You can see that increase in what we're budgeting there from our 2026 versus 2027. Like we said, that's just us trying to

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be more accurate and line that up to kind of what our actuals look like in 243. kind of basing that off of historically where we've been trying to get that number a little bump up better so we have a better idea of what our money going

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down from there no real big changes in our interal revenue the big thing that we will see is we will know what our local government a looks like for 2027 by the end of the month here that number will be finalized once the state releases those numbers here at the end

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of the month that subject to change. Right now, it's just set to what we received in 2026. >> Do they typically give you higher as you have a higher population or how do how do they generally tell that? >> That's a

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complicated complicated formula. It's based off of like how many homes you have that are pre 1940 what you levy versus what they would anticipate population side. And then they have some sort of need calculation in there too.

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It's not necessarily the more people you have the more money you get. It's generally speaking it's they try to base it off of that city basically what tax base looks like how much tax revenue you're able to generate

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versus how much the state going on to the next page. charities for services. We're staying pretty consistent from the prior year. Same things with our fives and big changes anticipated there. Same

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thing in our miscellaneous and that kind of get down transfers. We have that big increase which is again for sale transfer that we're making in 2027. Then going on to our department budgets. The first one that we have in here is

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our council budget and our election budget. We have some slight increases in the council budget just for some added committees that have been added here in the last year. And then our elections we 100% decrease because we are not anticipating any elections in 2027. So,

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we've had a little financial break there. >> What is the >> the training and instructions in there for $900? Uh what is that? I don't I think we used it once when I went to the LMC committee or the LMC convention. Um

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do you know is that what that's for? >> It was used in 2024. Sorry, I guess I'm not 100% sure what that was for. for not 100% sure what the plan has been for that. >> Okay, that might be something we can

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discuss in the next meeting. Maybe we can cut that if we're on using that. Our next department that we're getting to is our financial administration. This includes

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the finance team along the city administrator, city clerk resources. Um high level things here really only changes we have is anticipated salaries and wages along with benefit items. We

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have slight increases for training just to kind of get those closer to where our actual came out in 2026 and then a slight change in our amount of audit fees that are allocated there. We had some audit fees spread out in different departments within the general

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fund and I just consolidated them into financial administrations less places just to make it kind of less complicated for instead of getting spread out a lot of different places actually

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or you brought them all in together, but I mean is there any change in the actual amount spent? I think we have like a 3% anticipated increase on there just inflationary increase from what we made this year versus what we're anticipating

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next year. No big change there. Just trying to spot that makes more sense. Next department that we have done is our planning and zoning department. Planning zoning kind of similar things slight

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increases in salaries. Other slight changes in technology just updated for what our anticipated costs are going to be in 202. >> Any questions on planning zoning?

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>> Not yet. >> There will be technology increase is 1300. portion of that increase for our IT consultants that would alsity IT services contract increased this last

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Good. Next up, we have our municipal building. We're expecting right around a 5% increase for municipal building. This is driven just by updated projections for what our costs are going

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to be related to kind of like service and sort of internet updates, phone system increase costs. So this is the department that has a lot of like that 3 to 5% projected increase just services that are just make sure we've

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got enough funds there to cover just questions on that. Next up, we have the police department. Their big increases again are related to wages and salaries and benefits. Just expected amounts increases for

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Um we'll highlight one thing that we did change is that we dropped out of anticipated over time for the explor academy worked through the number of hours that we actually spent on those calculated out00

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last year's budget was worth revisiting and just seeing where our actual versus that came out to along with that just continu. That's awesome.

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Question from police department there. Next to ups our fire protection like I talked about right around the $10,000 increase for anticipated fire contract for next year just like I said getting to the point where we're up close to

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that $312,000 number that we had in there. So given us a bump to keep us up to date knowing that the fire department's costs are going to increase just like we're seeing. So just know that's coming down the line and our contribution also

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offines. Next one down is our building inspection administration. Here's where you'll see that big increase in fees that are anticipated consultants contracted services line. It's about five down from the title

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there. Last year we had budgeted at $57,000. This year we're anticipating closer to $235,000. So just having that reflected to match up with our anticipated increase in permanent revenue that might have

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increased the same amount there is to make sure that all that's covered there also and just keeping in mind that that's one of the areas where we're not allowed to make revenue off of so by state >> any other questions on building

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inspection expenses Can I ask um on that contracted service like I'm looking at actual like 24 25 um you still are you still kind of low? Did you still go conservative on that number? >> Yes, we are still slightly under where

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we were at 24 and 25. basically just tried to look at that and see not necessarily taking an average of those but like what was our lowest in the most recent years kind of project kind of gives us our baseline of like

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hey here's where it's been like at the lowest over the last how many years we're going to be roughly around there even if it is a slightly slower year we can at least get back to where we were in a year like that >> obviously hope that things are busy and

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that people are permits and building new houses or making improvements and that we exceed our expectations too. >> If we if we have a good year potentially you could see I mean there's a year there was 349 395 but we're well under so we'll have a surplus of for our

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budget >> because like you said there kind of that 20% of our total permit fee is kind of what we retain to help pay for our work and all that different related items there. Every time we get additional

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permits, that's just additional money. >> And the good news is is if we don't reach that amount, we're not paying out the contracted services amount either. So that's >> that is the good thing about having the consultant services is that number goes up and down.

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So helps kind of stabilize that cost so that there's no additional burden. >> And as we get closer to the end of the year, we'll have a better idea potentially of say if there's any major projects happening in 2027, we can have a better idea and potentially adjust for that.

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>> Yep. It all kind of depends to where we see the market going. That's why on Stephanie of us are going to be able to project perfectly what that looks like, but just don't obviously want to get too far ahead of ourselves with projecting what we think the housing market's going to go.

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>> Sure. >> I would say I'd probably be very conservative and kind of suggest staying with this amount. Okay. >> Just because um of interest rates staying where they are and we just don't know. We have a lower amount of building permits this year. have a lot of lots

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but that doesn't mean it's not what the market is also doing and so since we can't predict that I'd say increasing it the amount we have at 15% is already >> out of my comfort comfort zone so don't want to overpromise anything

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>> sure that makes sense Moving on, our next couple of departments are just civil defense and animal control for our civil defense related to any cost that get paid off to contractors for them tracking down sorts of animals or whatever stuff needs them

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to do. So if you look if you look at the actual on those those are I mean $299 and 646 and the rest are zero. >> Yep. >> So is the $1250 that's just again a worst case scenario. >> Yeah. We just want to make sure we have

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that money available if we do need to use those services. We don't ourselves where something out of the norm happens and our expenses are a lot higher there than we anticipated and we only budgeted $300 and now we've got more than one

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pickup this year and now we're scrambling to figure out how we're going to cover that come back. So yeah, kind of just a worst case scenario. Next departments are general city maintenance. This is for kind of covering all of our

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miscellaneous maintenance throughout the city. So, we have some of our public works time in there, some of our building maintenance in parts there for the general city operating expenses. Josh wanted that $500 just because we haven't kind of

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pushing it close with what he would like to send out of there and he just sees kind of those costs. Just trying to get ahead of that account. Moving on to highways and streets. Our biggest increases again and there

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salaries and wages. We do have some increase to like our general supplies. I know that me and Josh have been kind of looking at where we've been historically on spending some of this stuff and tried to match up a little better to where we've been spending in the past. So

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anyes conversations or any what would we like to see in there? One piece we do have a good increase from $3,500 to $6,700 as far as small tools and equipment.

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Kind of working with Josh on that. There's a lot of times where there's different tools and items that they need that they just don't have the funds to purchase. So they are either contracted not work out or just trying to make it work what they've got. So try and give them a little boost there so that when

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they have these reoccurring things where it'd be nice to have this tool that they have a little bit of money to spend on some we have it all out before what they're planning on spending it on. The hard part is sometimes you get six months and you go be nice to have this

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piece of equipment or something without the money being there. Giving him a little more wiggle room and just kind of working through with the mechanic too with him doing more jobs and a different variety of jobs like

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what tools and equipment is he doesn't know he needs something until there's a repair that comes in that drives that. Some example of that would be like last year we authorized the tire balancer and tire mounting machine so we can you know do our stuff in house and

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>> make stuff faster and cheaper and efficient. >> Yeah. At the end of the day it's a lot cheaper to be able to do that stuff in house with our own mechanic versus having to run it out. Also can be a lotier and can still when repairs aren't

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pressing we can still use those cars until mechanic has time. kind of helps out management stuff. It's a lot easier to get our stuff to us versus have to go drop it off the dealership or shop and don't know necessarily when that's coming back.

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>> Sure. In 220 I would assume that we're not using but that's the room. >> Sure. >> For the mosquito spray. >> Yeah. Yes. Any other questions on our highways and

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street budget? Moving on, we get into our street lighting. We do have a decent chunk of an increase to our anticipated utilities for that. We continue to add street lights as part of our light infill program with Every time we had a street light, we're increasing what we need to

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pay for those utility bills for those. So, giving us a good bump to kind of see if we our actual payment over budget. So, I just want to continue bumping up that account to account for those new lights that are getting.

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>> And with that electrical conversation, I know we briefly touched on in the past, but I think it'd be interesting to see if solar would be a wise investment for the city because we do use a lot of power. I don't know if there's a you guys interested in that. We briefly touched on it probably two years ago, trying to offset some of our costs long

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term. >> How the lights be solar or solar generation? >> Solar generation more so would be more of the the topic, but also if we give quotes on I don't know if that's even possible for solar street lights at this point if they have the the capacity yet, but

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maybe that's something we can look into our next street light project. >> Sure. sanitation administration. This is kind of our running of the compost site and other cleanup activities done around the city.

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No big changes expected in there. Cleanup day came in right around kind of where we anticipated the last couple years. So doing okay on that. And then ground maintenance. Uh we've been contining to our brush maintenance, our

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compost screening and don't see any big increase in expected cost there. 2025 our actual was up but that was related to the storm in 2024 I believe. kind of the clean up related to that

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like the wood so it will be consistent year to year. Next budget is our parks and recreation department. No big changes here either outside of we have a decrease in our

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salaries and wages and benefits in here. That's more so from our parks position being a full-time benefited position moving down to a parttime spot as has happened this year with that change. As far as Costco or staying right around

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there, I believe the only conversations I guess that for you guys to weigh in on is if you're looking for any sort of increase to some of the other activities like the summer event series or street dances or firework

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numbers. We're just keeping those steady which our street dance dollar amount is still holding up but it's getting kind of close to where we're pushing up against that $20,000 number. So there's any increases that you guys would like to see there or anything that you would

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like to see different with those? I guess I'm open to kind of hearing your guys' thoughts on that one. >> I would love to see if we start encroaching on that number. Maybe we reach out to other bands. I know every time there's a street dance, there's bands that reach out and they want to play in it. So, I think there's a I

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think there's there's probably bands in the community that would um if we do encroach on a number that might play um for a lesser amount. So maybe that's something to consider so we can keep all the events and not have to tax more for them so to speak. >> Think it's a good idea. We've had a

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discussion in the past out there that would like the exposure to be able to get out there just as well. >> And I am working on trying to find a sponsor for archery targets. Um because I know that's a budget expense. Obviously, we have to replace those

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targets a few times a year. Um so if I can find a sponsor, um maybe we'll get lucky before the end of the year and we can change that that cost there. >> Yep. But I know that Josh and his guys are still working on some different ideas out there, two, four different targets and just cover placement versus

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total target placement, all that stuff, too. So hopefully we'll see some changes there, but we kind of got to see. I know they tested something out this spring and just kind of see how it holds up, see if they want to keep going moving forward or what we like to do out there.

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So hopefully we'll have something here in a couple months that you know whether what we were thinking of or not. >> Sounds good. >> Anything else? You guys have any questions on >> Yeah. So, I know all these departments

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have their own uh landline service and Verizon charges and I've always been curious, you know, I get a bunch of emails for consolidation type services. When was the last time when we had like an audit on our on our communication services? Because there's a lot of expense there and I'm wondering if there's any way that we could get it,

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you know, uh down a little bit lower. I don't remember since I've been on that we've had an audit and changed anything or >> I've reached out to a couple of companies over the last year about our lifeline services and not received any quotes that are

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very close to what we're currently paying. As part of our 2027 budget, we do have a phone system replacement for city hall scheduled. So, it's another thing that I'm working with couple of different providers to see what their options are, see what would be available

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to us. So, I will With our current landline service, what we pay here at city hall is very low price to what it would be to switch carriers to say that has just other options out there.

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>> Maybe same thing with the internet services too. >> Yeah. >> Okay, sounds good. >> The landlines have like a voice system that's looked at or is it only traditional landline services? >> We've looked into both. Obviously, the cost to go to the

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sometimes significant more but kind of depends. So we'll keep an eye out there and just reach out to the different companies see what options they have available for us. Try to make the best budget wise decision and something

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that's going to work well for us. The current system's okay. We don't have any big complaints. So we're okay kind of where we're at. But also something is available that's going to work. for us. Kind of wrapping up the general fund, we

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have our transfers listed out there and then our miscellaneous where you can see that decrease in tax from that 52,500 down to that 10,000 this year.

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That bottom line there's our net income or loss and that is anticipated to be at 0% for 2027. Last year we had a $393,000 loss anticipated. So that's what we're working at this current year. Hopefully

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those numbers come in a little better and like we said our building permit fees and stuff are ahead of what our projections have been. So that'll offset portion of that. And we're also anticipating that $165,000 transfer to help offset

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26 that we've since moved to 27, but our fund balance reserves are still out. We at 62% reserve balance at the end of 2025, I believe, with taking that 390,000.

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still in the 50% fund balance percentage. Our internal policy is keeping that in between 30 and 70%. So, still doing a good job there, but want to get to the point where we are keeping that number as close to zero or as positive

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as we can just because we are going to continue to see a slight uptick in expenditures going forward. We don't want to spend down our reserves and then be playing catch up in a few years. So, continuing that long term planning and you go there.

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>> Sure. So, I also want to point out here if you look at um the net income and loss for each year, uh we always have a budgeted amount. Um so, let's look at 2025. You have a 2025 budgeted amount of a loss of 296. Um the actual was a a

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positive 222,000. So, that's a $310,000 positive swing. If you look at 2024, the actual was uh 300. Uh the budgeted was a loss of 5,250. The actual was a profit of 383,000.

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That's a swing of 390,000 almost. Um 2023 budget was 340,000 with the actual ending up at 612. Uh that's a net gain of $270,000. So, if you look at all these years, uh, since 2023, every year we've projected, our our profit has

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actually been higher or our, um, budget amounts actually been lower than what it ends up being, um, by an average of around $300,000. So, even if we were to set the budget at zero, um, and if with, uh, following what we have seen in trends in the last three years, um, we

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could probably safely say that we would see a roughly $300,000 difference. Now, that's the zero number assumes all the worst case situations. uh we there could be a world where we have all the worst case things happen and you're still at a zero. Um so I think that's great. Uh

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gives us some upside to hopefully grow into as the year goes but we don't know until you know December really where any of the numbers are going to be. So >> yeah and I will say the one big change we do have 27 is we are anticipating more of that permanent fee revenue than we have in the past. So that has been

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what's made up a lot of those going from a negative to a positive in years. It's not portion of it. And like I said, this is all kind of our department's like max budgets. So they all work to stay within

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those budgets, not spend money they don't think is necessary. So that's been another portion of what has allowed us to come out good is that our department has managed the budget well and continue to make good decisions for allow us to

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continue to see those profits that we anticipate that coming to fruition. >> Yep. I want to say great job at the department. That's we've done a lot of work the last three or four years to to make it happen. So, thank you everybody. >> Any other questions from the general

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fund from anyone at this time? >> Okay, moving on. We'll go to the EDA with the revenues. talked about that decrease in property tax revenue going in there. You can see that in that first line of the revenue going from 142 down to 109.

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That's going to give us an anticipated drop of 23% of revenue in EDA. Basically, the amount that's set for that revenue is to cover all our operating expenses in the ADA fund. And then going to the next page is our expenses.

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What we see there is the $165,000 net loss which is equal to that transfer that we making to the questions on any of the EDA revenues or expenses at this time is here too.

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We do potentially have another property um that we're that might potentially hit the uh the EDA account or is there two properties? >> Just one. >> Just the one. Okay. So, that's something that maybe we'll have luck developing

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next year if things line up. >> Yeah. I would say similar to kind of how we've handled the most recent sale. They don't want to anticipate anything happening and kind of plan for the long term too. If we weren't any of that,

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what are we discussed about help us achieve some of our long-term goals as those sales have next funds? up are our street construction funds. So the first fund up

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is fund 425. Our capital project for 2027 is south passage from Deer Haven to whiskey. Yes, is what our project for 2027 is. So

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that is what the $576,000 expenditures are in that fund. So that'll be something that Jason will start working on here shortly getting everything kind of prepped and ready to go so that that project can take place in 2027.

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>> That's a state a eligible project. Correct. >> Correct. >> So how do we how's that budgeted for in there? Would that be with our state aid or how does how does that work out there? Right now, we're not anticipating going for state aid funding, but Jason

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was going to look at it to see how much of it would be state eligible and see what we would potentially ask for for it. So, it's kind of one of the many things that he is working on as some of that. So, as of right now in our plan, we aren't anticipating receiving any,

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but we do see an opportunity to continue to pursue some advances on our >> Okay. So, this would be Worst case scenario, this number could go down again if we just get >> that 576 to stay there. We'll just have

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revenues that are not currently in our budget there that may help fun. So will that look similar like when you look at 26 and 25 like it's just a drastic difference between budget and actual

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>> or sorry 25 >> 26 year >> 26 yeah sorry but 20 25 is really >> you budgeted 1.7 million and actual was only 123

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>> just because the round was part of with that project. It wasn't finished till this year. So, the payment didn't get made until this year. So, just a tiny difference up in 2026 or is anticipated to 2026. So,

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>> I would say what you may see changes that on that municipal state construction line where we had 521,000 budgeted in 2026. Right now, we have zero in 2027 depending on what comes back. There

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might be a number in there to cover a portion of that project. And then going on to fund 440. This is our pavement management project. Uh at the end of your packet, I listed the roads that are in the pavement management project. I believe it's the

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last page in your packet. So that has the specific streets that have crack or seal. >> So Erica, that's just you see that there in those numbers. That's kind of another Like when you talk about the water and sewer fund, sometimes you budget for something and then it doesn't happen

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until the next year. So you see kind of weird years where it kind of comes and goes as far as >> Yeah. There's just numbers that jump out and you're like that doesn't add up, >> right? >> Yep. And with all these funds is in the long term that we need it to work out.

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So those generally have balances available to cover those losses until we do have with our pavement management projects we have been for a lot of those came in these budgets. So while we may budget

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like this year anticipated $126,000 that loss we may see a decrease in the actual construction cost for that which will hopefully allow us to come in a little less than. >> Okay. So if you look at 25 technically

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our budget to actual we had a positive um a profit of 1 1.62 million. So that just gets carried over into this year because the expenses shifted to this year essentially. Next fund we'll be getting to is the water fund or 601. Any other questions

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on paper management or street projects for 2027? >> So, moving on to our water fund. Like I said, here we're kind of holding our water revenue steady until we can get a better hold of where stuff's going to turn out for 2026 and projected 2027

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revenue. And then kind of running down the expense line, we We have a slight decrease in our wages and salaries. That's just based on kind of our allocation of our public works department at this time and a little

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less going to our water and sewer funds projected for 2027 versus where we as far as big projects this year. We do have a large decrease in capital expenditures. look at our 2026 budget

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versus 2027 budget. Luke kind of touched on that earlier. It's on the second page of the expenses where that 2.2 million is for our well construction project that's currently going on. We do not have anything that's

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as significant for water infrastructure going on in 2027. So, it's kind of one of those things where we have big project in 2026 and then we'll probably couple years before something else will come up there too. But we continue to keep an eye on

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all that stuff and monitor it. Me and Josh and Jordan have gone through those budgets and kind of evaluated where things are in there and just kind of made sure that we're still on track with what our plan is going forward shifting

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things around as needed. Any other questions on the waterfront? Next up, the sewer fund. Fund like I talked about, similar to water, we are just keeping our revenue steady for 2026 until we get further into project what we're anticipating for

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revenue in 2027. Expense wise, we're pretty similar to our water fun. We just have some slight increases to our operating expenses. I know me and Josh looked at some of these things and noticed we were coming in slightly under where we thought we were

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going to in a couple places. So, we dropped a few things, increase a few things. And I know Josh budget to continue to try to keep our ponds at the correct treatment levels and eat away as much of the

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help in the future when we need to. those ponds or at that point to stay up on that to make that a little easier for us in the future, too. >> Also, Josh has been buying uh some of the like bugs and stuff for the ponds in

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a bulk. Uh so, he's getting a better price on those things. So, that's a good thing for just nickel and dime there in a good way. >> Yep. Josh has continued to do that as he's getting further into the managing of this when it makes sense.

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keep things as they are. So, he's always looking for those opportunities to get things at the right price there. And then uh one thing to highlight is just the wastewater treatment facility studies budgeted in professional services. Again, assuming we're going on

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to the future steps and that is budget so we can take those next steps. Anything has to change with that or what portion of the study we're going to We will just get those numbers updated as we kind of get results back from this

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first study too. So hopefully have some updates here in the next coming months know what that looks like for 2027 going forward. Any other questions about server? All right, we're on to the storm water

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fund 603. With those revenues, we had a slight bump. Since those are set rates, we're able to kind of anticipate our 2027 revenues a little better since we know number of and what that rate's going to

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be. That projection has increased slightly from 26 27 revenue match up with that. Our expenditures have increased slightly just some of our storm water costs for that and some of

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the maint portions of our 2027 capital items that we'll get to next. The liquor store like we said pretty conservative estimates as far as what we are anticipating for revenues there. We

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do still have canvas sales in there. see kind of what happens at the state national level with that stuff and we'll adjust as we see fit for that stuff kind of just sit and wait until we know where things are at that either way we will keep an

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eye on it projections as needed for those and we do have a discussion item on city council tonight for uh billboards hopefully we can boost our sales and see if we're lucky see more profit going back into the tax base on that.

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>> Yep. Yep. And Keith's always working on different marketing things and different ways to attract more customers. Continuing to expand on the e-commerce stuff, too. He's seen a lot of success with that. Just continuing that into 2027 and finding out platforms and ways

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just to get our stuff out there in front of people because the more often people see your stuff, more likely they are to stop by. So, always working on that stuff. Hopefully we'll continue to drive sales in the positive direction. Any questions on any of the revenues or

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All right, it is 7 o'clock. We will call the city council meeting to order. All rise for the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisibley

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and justice for all. >> Doing roll call. All voting members are present. Uh we'll open the floor for public comment. If there's public comment tonight you're welcome to come forward. There's a threeminut time limit. Uh council Heman has a one minute time sign that he will put up and please keep it to um city business and not

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personal or political attacks. Is there anybody for public comment tonight? Hearing none, we will close the public comment. Uh we do have a proclamation this evening. Uh so this proclamation is for mayors employ mayor's employer

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celebration day. Whereas employers and employees are a dynamic part of the city of Isanis and Minnesota's economy. >> Oh, sorry. Adopt the agenda. That is slow. Are there any changes to the agenda?

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>> No. >> All right. I'll entertain motion to adopt the agenda. >> Second. >> Motion by Peterson, second by Eman. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? >> The agenda is adopted. Next, we'll go to the proclamations now that it's finally voted here. Mayor's employer celebration

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day. Whereas employers and employees are a dynamic part of the city of Ecanis and Minnesota's economy and whereas the promotion of our employers and their talented staff showcase the strength and success which is an integral part of the city of Icani's economic development strategy. And whereas all Iani employers

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located within the city of Iani provide jobs which significantly contribute to the city of standard of living and economic vitality. And whereas the city of Iseni has approximately 2,146 people that are employed within the corporate limits of Iseni. And whereas employees contribute to the economic

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success of Isani businesses by buying local and supporting their businesses. And whereas the city EDA is sponsoring an appreciation lunchon to the employers and their employees on July 22nd, 2026 highlighting certain businesses with milestone anniversaries. Now therefore,

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I, Luke, Maryland, mayor of the city of Iani, do hereby proclaim that the day of July 22nd, 2026 shall be observed as mayor's employer celebration day in the city of Iani on the 7th day of July uh 2026. Uh so, thank you to all the local

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businesses. I'm looking forward to that that event. Uh it's great to kind of connect with businesses and see what's working and um just see the successes of our local businesses. Uh next, we'll move on to approval of the city council meeting minutes. Are there any questions or changes on any of

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those either of those? If not, I'll take a motion on both. >> Second. >> Motion by Peterson. Second by Zan. All in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries 5. Announcements. Committee holding

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Tuesday, July 20 21st, 2026 at 5:00 p.m. Planning Commission meeting Tuesday, July 21st, 2026 at 6 p.m. City Council meeting Tuesday, July 21st, 2026 at 7 p.m. department rec board meeting Tuesday, July 28th, 2026 at 6 p.m. and

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we can open the floor for county communications. I see there's a county commissioner here. If you have anything to say today, you're welcome to come forward. If not, no worries. >> Just come on up and state your name and address for the record, please. >> All right, sounds good. >> Thanks for coming in. >> I'm happy we have this time set aside

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for the county. >> And thank you for doing that, too. Now, Dr. Christensen, County Commissioner, District 4. >> Can you hold the mic? >> Dr. Christensen. County Commissioner District 4. Thank you. >> Um, no, I actually wanted to just come in and find out what what's your thoughts on the road repairs there going

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from the roundabout uh, you know, towards the gas station. We, you know, we tried that sealant stuff rather than the hot power patch. I haven't, nobody's contacted me about it or anything. So, have you heard any feedback on it? >> I haven't heard a lot of feedback. Obviously, people want the whole road

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replaced. Um, but I think it it seemed to be a pretty good repair. Um, I haven't big aggregate chunks coming loose like they usually do when you guys do your typical hot patch. Um I think there are some areas that still need some attention. Um but I've seen them out there here and there fixing some of

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their stuff. What do you guys think about that that repair? It was the mast was solution. >> Yeah. So yeah, mastec. So um you know we basically they they basically did it for you know for free and we had buy the material but if it works you know we can use it in you know other areas in the

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county. But yeah know that hot tar I get it. It was that was bad. It would have chunks getting down in the sewer, the water stuff. So, yeah. No, no, that's pretty bad. So, no, that was pretty much what I wanted to to say, too. So, >> sure. >> And then at the uh county level, um

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that wheelage tax you guys might have been hearing about did it did pass. Um myself and Christy Lo voted against it, but um so that would be uh hopefully the way it looks would bring in another like $440,000 to go towards the highway

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department >> for a year. >> Uh yeah, for a year. >> Can you say that? How much was that again? >> Be $440,000 to go towards the bond for the highway department building. >> So I don't like those extra taxes. That's why, like I said, I Christy and I both voted against it. So

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>> Okay. Anyway, that's that's my update and I'm glad to hear on the road. I mean, it'll get done 20 what is it? 28 28 28. Yeah. And that's when there's state money available. If we try to do stuff before, then it's, you know, more of a burden on taxpayer >> and there federal big federal money. >> Big federal money. Yes. That's right.

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That's right. It just takes forever like government in general. >> Yep. So, >> all right. Thanks, guys. Anything? Anything else? >> With that wheel, how would that affect the average homeowner who's driving a car? >> Um, basically what it is, it's $10 $10 additional tax when you know you go to

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register your car >> per car. >> Yeah. Per car. Yeah. So where where it's going to be a struggle is like I had a constituent reach out to me that has you know a large company with 70 trucks you know that's going to that's going to hurt or anybody else who has multiple vehicles. So I mean you can still write

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it off as a business but still it's that upfront expense. So but I'm not happy about it but you know I get I get the theory behind it. So >> all right. All right. Thank you. Thanks for coming in. I appreciate >> it. Thanks for letting me talk.

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>> All right. Uh, now we'll move on to council committee reports. Does anybody have any? >> Uh, CAC is still not meeting for the summer. The committee education advisory council. Uh, but the fire district did

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meet. I sent the stuff to Miss D. So, she's going to send it out because I cannot attend this month's meeting. So, it's going to be able to fill in for me to be the third Wednesday. But outside of that, just normal business stuff. There's some uh building maintenance things. Uh there's a difference between

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the estimated cost of their uh their firefighting gear, their bunker gear. They were purchasing a dryer for it and end up being more than what they projected. So we them to buy that. And

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do you want to comment or your thoughts? just talking about the the rodeo stuff and that coming up and how the the fire district worked with the rodeo association and worked with the different entities involved in the

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crossover there. >> Sure. Yeah. So, I was at that fireboard meeting and there was discussion as you mentioned about the dryers. Uh they also got some reimbursement from there was some bangles in there. Um, so they're they got a $600 check and I believe by um I looked into it a little bit and I

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believe they'll be getting a recurring check for that until they're maybe more whole. I don't know how long that is. I don't know what the deals are on that, but that's good for them. Um, they could repair their things that were damaged by that one individual that was caught. So, good job by saying PD for for catching.

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Anybody else? All right. So, I have a few things here. Uh the chamber had their monthly lunchon. I was able to talk to a couple local business owners and also um get a couple people that are potentially interested in the park donations and advertising fund that we had started. Um we're finalizing the website and flyers

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for that now. Uh we anticipate the group will hit the ground hopefully next week to get folks businesses signed up so we can get uh some of their advertising in for the for the skate park especially. Um the ISD 911 school board meeting I was there. Uh they during their school

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board meeting they had their preliminary budget report. Um nothing major to report there. It's pretty much the very similar to what it was last year. Um and obviously it's preliminary and just like our preliminary budgets, things will adjust and uh as time goes on. Um a lot of it's just estimates at this point. Uh the Arts and Science Academy, uh they're

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actively looking for a new new school authorizer. Uh since they're like a charter school, um sort of an authorizer is sort of like their governing and finance body for the school. Uh their old authorizer went out of business. Uh so they have a few that they're looking into. Uh they also made some structural

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changes to their administration to cut down on costs as I mentioned last last meeting they uh eliminated roughly $900,000 out of the budget which I thought was amazing. Like to be able to do that that's it's a lot of work. Um so hopefully I I they see success there

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with um that change. Uh there are four different LMC polic policy committee meetings this month that I'll be going to down at the state capital um just to advocate for the things that we see in Sandy that you know the state could clean up for uh what we see here. I know

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we talk about random stuff all the time. Um service delivery as far as police, fire stuff. Um any sort of state policy that pays out medical leave is an interesting one that affects all of us. So uh those are interesting and uh just a good opportunity for us to get their voice heard. As we've mentioned, the

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mayor's lunchon is coming up um which welcomes businesses and gets them involved in uh feeling appreciated here in Sani. Uh as a reminder related to the city businesses, the city of Ici hosts an entrepreneur shop entrepreneur workshop once a month um basically to

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get small businesses and other businesses resources and information. Um if you're interested in attending that, it's free and information can be found on the website. And the rodeo jubilee days parade uh is this week and this weekend and I hope everybody has a good and safe time. That's an awesome uh

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event for our community. And I did want to mention the Tibetan American Foundation of Minnesota just celebrated their uh 91st birthday at the Daly Lama. Uh they have a their their biggest cultural center is here in Sani. Um and that's where the old Sanford Golf Course is. Uh so that was great. I attended

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there as their chief guest and made a speech and just you know continue to to work with them and make them feel welcome here in Sammy. Um so if you're curious about what that is, uh look into that. I think it's a it's a really cool um organization. So I'm happy to support it. Anybody

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else for the credit committee reports? >> Is there someone that's able to fill in for the fire district for next Wednesday? >> Erica, are you available next Wednesday by chance? So you and I can sound good.

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>> What time is it? >> Uh we were just at the read. So I think it goes back to one. >> Sounds good. So we'll talk about that. Anything else for council meeting reports hearing? None. We will move on to business item K1, resolution to consider

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accepting a grant from the Initiative Foundation and authorizing the execution of the grant agreement. >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. Um, the city has been awarded $4,000 through the Initiative Foundation's economic, community, and workforce development grant program. Um, this is one of the

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grants I just applied for, hoping that we would get some stuff for entrepreneur workshops and other things that we have going on just to coincide with it. And so we did get approved for $4,000 of that grant for the market area profile, which hasn't been updated that they just

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said at the EDA meeting um since 2021. And so this will help um our entrepreneurs and us have a good gauge on what our market um allows for and what we're needing in this area. And it will look at a larger scope of not just but our radius around us. And so it'll

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tell us likely a good gauge for number of restaurants, um number of or whatever it is. Um, which is really nice. And the last one we paid for was over $10,000 and this one is through the University of Minnesota Extension. Um, and they do

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a great job with it and they're more affordable. So, it's around $4,000 or less. I'm meeting with them for the second time on Thursday this week. So, excited to see that move forward and provide us with some good affordable data. >> Yeah, I think that's a great program. I was on the city economic development

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board when we last did that. Um, and it's amazing the data that comes in because a lot of prospective business owners, they see, they see the 7,800 population, but the actual sprawl and the people that travel into is a really good resource to see that all in one concise place. So, that'll be really good for you guys to see when we get

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that back. Um, are there any hidden catches or things we should be aware of with the grant? >> No, I It's just no match or anything like that. It's just $4,000 for us just to use for exactly this. So, there's nothing um No caveats, it's initiative

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foundation funds and they are pretty reliable organization to work with as is the University of Minnesota extension and we're working with both of them as well through the rural entrepreneurial venture program that we were approved for. Um and so they started um working

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with that and this together as well as using Placer another um opportunity for us to get data through that which they pay for helps us get a lot of very important data that we could use just to tell us more about our community. So I'm going to use it to the best of our

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ability. >> Sure. It's a great business resource for for all of us here. So >> what is it what is the timeline that data will be available to the public? that I don't know yet. I mean, I would guess in the next six months, but I can't give you I I'm assuming sooner,

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but I'm in the next six months for sure, I'll say. So, >> how is that data package like it showing just charts of like what projected needs are and what the supply is at or >> Yep. It gives us a it's a book usually and it goes through like market data,

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the market area profile specifically um we had done when I was in Princeton and I really like that model of it. retail study um because it shows you like in your service area there are two I'll use sports stores there's not a lot around

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here sports stores um and your area actually has capacity for six and so it gives you that kind of data it tells you it capitalizes on data that the state and the census bure bureau have also and so it'll tell us average number of daily

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traffic volume on five through this time and this time or 65. And so it capitalizes on all of that. It tells us how many people leave the community every day commuting, how many people commute, and it tells us a lot of information, which I can dig up through

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lots of work, but it's not always readily available, and it helps us showcase it better to the greater community and businesses. >> That could be an old presentation. >> Do we still have the old one? Any benefit to emailing that back out to city council?

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>> Um, I think our website so I can forward the link in the next update if you want to do that. >> Yeah, it was cool to see. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion by Dean, second by Peterson. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion

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carries 5. Uh next we have added to the agenda data center moratorial discussion. So I've been researching the impacts of data centers on communities and seeing a lot of I guess fear and unknowns. especially the hypers scale. Um it's kind of a new thing and I don't know

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that the city of Iani has definite policies that really are what we intend or or just to make sure that um whatever we have in place fits the goals of the city of Iani. Now you know we're a pretty small city geographically so I don't think a hypers scale center would

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ever work here. Um but I think we need to go through and make sure that um our policy is written in a way that protects that from ever happening if that's what we choose to do. Um so a lot of cities I've seen have been putting u you know six month one year up to 30 month

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moratoriums on uh data center um builds and that can be just basically used to give yourself some time to write a policy so that you know that you're making the best informed decision uh long term for your residents. Um so I would like to have a discussion about

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maybe we consider doing that if you guys are in favor of something like that and then we talk more about what the polic would say I don't think all forms of data centers are bad um but we just want to have a good conversation >> since I had that conversation with you I

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watched another video and I apologize I don't remember what area it was but there was a certain school they had to shut half their lights off in the school during the day because the power draw was so high in demand for this data center that the school couldn't even

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turn on half their lights also their water usage. The city people's waters, their water to their homes was cut in half because they demand such high water. So then now

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we're going to put strain on our infrastructure there. So all that water that goes down drain, now let's put infrastructure problems on our treatment plant. There is a ton of pollution with them. There is no job benefits for them being

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here. And if any of you know me, I could care less about a lot of this stuff when people be who they are and do their own businesses. But it was brought to my attention a month or so ago. I started researching this thing and I said, "Hell

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to no. There's no way I would ever allow something like that in this community." And I would like to see Cambridge saying, the county same thing because that is going to put strain on all us taxpayers. it. I don't see that would

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benefit anybody would gain from that data center that would benefit any of these any one of those issues. I I I I'm not for anything like that. I I don't I hate our iPads. I hate all these smartphones. I hate all this

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stuff. But some of it's necessary. So, we have I have to use it. But the data center is not going to be something that I think any of us would benefit from. >> It actually cost us more as well. >> Yes, it's very pollution. Very much

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pollution. So, Erica, George, Nick, thoughts on a moratorum to discuss in the future or not. Or >> I just I I think I side with you like I just the little I do know if there's noise pollution, light pollution, water

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pollution, just it affects everything. And here we're talking about growing and growing and growing. And I think city. It would deter me from moving to it if there was a large center coming. So, I I don't know where they're all going to go because they're going to

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have to build somewhere, but I don't want it here. I don't think anyone's going to want it there. I mean obviously obviously this area did not support a hyper scale type deploy

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because we need to have policy no matter what the future may bring. Um I don't want to turn around. I don't want to turn away a tax base that we could support. I mean, not all of them use water for cooling and some of them can

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use our clean water that we discharge for cooling. Not all of them take extreme amounts of electricity and some of them also have their own electrical input, you know, generators. Um, there's

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>> I don't think we have to worry about something that coming to this area right now. >> What what scares me is when you say when you say not that big build a small one all of a sudden now we want to build that onto it now we want

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to add on to it. So by by putting moratorium on on them period I don't care if size matter what >> I think we that that is our best way to control any of that. You're thinking a lifetime and not trying to get some policy together. >> You can't you can't do a lifetime. The

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longest you can do is 30 months. >> Yeah. >> And you have to be putting in an effort of turning that moratorium to come up with policy. >> I just think that policy given us I think we should give ourselves I I I would think that we should be able to come up with a policy within a year. I

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think a moratorum in a P. So the moratorum right now they couldn't with that moratorum they can't come >> until we get that it's lifted or our policies drafted. So we can at least stop that till we do come up with

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something legitimate. >> Is there discussion about one actually coming anywhere near? >> No. So, I was going to emphasize there's no discussion, but it's one of those things I think we should be proactive instead of reactive because if we were to have nothing in place and then a large data center or anything comes in

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that that meets all our technical zoning requirements, we would have a hard time legally saying no, you can't. So, it's just this is what cities are doing to protect themselves and until you come up with a policy because it's a relatively newer thing. You know what? I I don't know when the last time we ever >> What brought it to my attention was a

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small town in Wisconsin, right? >> And somebody I know that lives there brought it up to me. >> Yep. >> He wears a foil hat at times, this guy. So, I don't always take a lot to what he says to heart, but when I started researching it, that that's one thing I

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got to believe on because it's going in his area that he lives and it's a small town. It doesn't have to be a large town to do it. as a wearing place. Uh I think I had a question about

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how the language would be so that wouldn't that couldn't be put upon smaller businesses but I understand the intentions. So as long as that was intentions are clear and accomplishes what we're after then >> and that would be a lengthy discussion on what policies we might not limit

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anything but the hypers scale. It depends what makes sense for us. So, this gives us time to discuss it. >> I'm okay with whatever you guys are deciding. Obviously, from an economic development standpoint, there's all sides of it. Um, I will let you know

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that we don't have a lot of electrical power here. So, we already know the status of our water and sewer systems and what they're what they're capable of. Um, but our electrical demand is what the thing that um makes me the least

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least likely that we could even be considered for one. Um in 2021 we had a few Bitcoin basically data centers um looking here and it cost just to get to back then

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four megawws of demand. So not very much like a lot of the hypers scale ones are 50 to 100 megawatts of demand. um it's $115,000 and that would take two months. But to

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get to 64 megawws here, it would take two years and $2.4 million to get up to that size of electric load. And so we're just not a very viable location for a data center in the first place. So I

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don't know if a moratorum is necessary if you guys just want to start working on a policy. Um and then you can save some of the months maybe if something somebody does consider looking here. But it's up to you guys however you want to move forward with it. Um

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>> my only thought is by putting a moratorum on it at this point we could put it as long as we wanted it. >> Uh was it 30 months? >> 30 months. >> Yeah. So we could put it on for 30 months. We can have that bits and pieces

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of conversation. It's all it takes is one person to walk through that door. And if we don't have that that moratorum in place at this moment, it it's going to come back and bite us. That's my only thought. >> I I always look at worst case scenarios.

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I don't I don't look at best case. I always look at worst case because I guarantee you it's going to happen. >> What that worst case a lot of them are bypassing transmission just on site to help get around that. So >> the federal government is just could be

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within a year away of approving many nuclear reactors that are portable. So if we don't have some kind of policy saying we won't allow that within the city limits. I mean there is some feasibility that that data center could

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fall within um the outlines we have to be able to do business with the city of as long as I mean we can't stop a company from coming in and doing business as long as they follow all the rules so that >> well it's just like it was just like

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that conversation we had about solar farm right out of town there's nothing we can do about it >> if we didn't have a policy set prior to that there was nothing we can do to stop that as much as I don't want to see that

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either but this way we're going to cover our base so I would be 100% % >> if we're not in a big worry rush, let's put the maximum 30 months on the minimum moratorium. >> I think I would like to see a year because then we'll have like an actual

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deadline 30 months and be like, "Oh, we have >> Well, but over 30 months we can we don't have to solve it all of a sudden today or down to the last minute. We can do bits and pieces and drafts and see it. We don't have to spend hours to get a

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draft." That's why I said 30 extended up to 30 can. Yes, >> I'm good with 30. >> I just think it just it makes it better for all of us rather than >> I agree >> then jamming these meetings till 10:30 11:00 all the time because we're trying

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to get through something. >> And also the good thing with the mortorium there's no misunderstandings from the community because I had someone message me today asking if Cambridge and Al River is doing a data center. I've had people ask because there's word of it. It's like I don't know. Cambridge I think Cambridge is looking into this

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sort of thing as well. So, um I think it just we put it out there and we're not going to be working with that for a while. So, >> El River >> El River is doing one voted out. >> Oh, yeah. I I just read an article today

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that El River City Council voted to reject a proposal to change their zoning to allow hyperscale. >> We don't want to get into that mess. just nip it before and so we can have a policy that comes together. Thanks, Bill. >> Do you do you want to come up to the

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microphone newspaper? You know all about the the Cambridge thing probably. So, >> thanks. Just say your name for the record. Appreciate it. >> Sure. It's Bill Stickles. I'm the editor of the South County Star newspaper. I

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live in Cambridge on Church Street. Um yeah, in regards to the city of Cambridge, what they have decided is essentially what statement Stephanie was stating they don't believe that they even have the capacities to support one.

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So that there's nobody who was actively looking at going forward with one. So they are I believe it's even coming up within the next month they're going they have been collecting data talking with

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ECE to seeing if ECE can even support the power usage that kind of stuff and then if they discover that yes it is a possibility then they're definitely going to be looking >> well one of the problems we have in the same we're split between ECE and Excel.

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>> That's true. So, Excel is kind of a little bit bigger than EC. >> Yeah, they they mentioned Excel and I can't remember exactly what reference was. I believe it was that even XL was struggling to support.

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>> I just assume that would be more safe than sorry. >> I appreciate the bill. Thank you. But >> I just think that if we have it, it's there >> and it's done. I agree.

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>> Todd from a county perspective, you want to come? >> Yeah, I just one one thing here. Um, >> I really agree with what you guys are talking about doing as far as uh the amount of electricity like you were stating or one of you did about, you know, they can have their own source of

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massive generators. You know, I've been watching a bunch of the videos on it as well. So, you know, don't want to risk taking a chance. We had an uh opportunity zone where the federal government or state or whatever says, you know, >> you say we the county. >> Yeah, the county, you know, was a

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possible we could have been possibly chosen for an opportunity zone. And then in our special meeting, we actually discussed it, but I had done a little research and the county has no once once a opportunity zone is adopted. because it sounds good. Then the county has no

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say on what goes into the opportunity zone and with further research I found out that a lot of these data centers go into these opportunity zones. So they get the opportunity zone established. The county has no say on what happens and then they go. So that's just

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something. >> So I so I voted down along with the rest of us. We all voted down the uh you know we've been sending the application in because it had to be done by July. Have you guys talked much about data center stuff as far as the county? I've never heard it at a county other than that. But >> right. No, that's uh that's going to be

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a discussion. I'm going to bring that up. So, okay. >> Because I think a moratorium is not a bad idea, at least until we figure out really what's all going on with it. >> Okay. Sounds good. >> Thanks, guys. >> Thanks for the county and the newspaper on that. So, >> I mean towards the 30 months. Actually, I don't even want to start with the timeline. I don't think that this is

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something that is going to happen in the next six months that we could handle or discuss. I think that there's changes every year. I think it it completely changes and that the field completely changes. So I don't know if we even want to start a

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30month timeline because in 12 months what we discuss might be obsolete. Um or the advances might be so so significant that what we've decided and written into policy no longer like even

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keeps us safe or keeps what we want out of here >> and that can be lifted as well. So >> I like the idea again policy we can at least we have something to look at and tweak it with >> it evolves we can evolve that

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>> as long as we can evolve with it I guess that's my biggest cannabis when that came we we put a moratorium on that because it kept changing in the dynamics of the whole thing so that was a whole >> yeah so just getting proactive instead of reactive I would uh I would make a motion to do a

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30-month mortorium. >> Second motion by myself, second by Lundine. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? >> I. >> Motion carries 41. Good discussion, guys. Next, we'll move on to the grand opening

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and ribbon cutting for the skate park. So, I just wanted to give you guys an update on that. Uh, we have uh scheduled the grand opening of ribbon cutting for August 20th. Um, and as I mentioned earlier, we're going to start collecting donations here soon. Um, so if there are any businesses in interested in advertising at the skatepark, uh, or any

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of the parks, I think we have a great policy in place, um, you know, kind of give back to our park system and and incorporate our small businesses and big businesses and, uh, show, you know, community effort towards a good project. Uh, so that's August 20th. I hope that you guys can make it and if you have any

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questions or feedback, uh, just feel free to reach out to, uh, me or Stephanie or the parks director. Um, and I would suggest that we recommend posting a notice of our forum. Any other questions on that or

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Cool. All sounds good. Uh, next we'll move on to item K4, liquor store billboard discussion. So, I had brought this up um because we haven't changed our billboard in a couple years. And in that um that part fundraising group, we actually did like

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a little brief like survey. Uh, I asked the the group members. I think there was eight or nine of us there. Uh, how many of you guys have seen the Ian leader star billboard? And I was the only one. >> So, >> only because you thought about it and you wanted to look at it. >> No, I I knew it because I I see it all

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the time. We look at it because and we sign the checks too. So, but I look at it. But then I asked them the same question. How many of you have seen the Turban Realy billboard which is on the opposite side of ours? It's actually opposite side of the road. All of them raise their hand. So, I don't know. Um, I think what we have is is great. It has

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a lot of information, but maybe we try and mix it up and see if we have any success with, you know, maybe something that is a little more a little more eye-catching. And I'm sure Keith has some great ideas for it. Um, but it's I think we're up for maybe freshen it up and we do have to come to city council

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because there would be a replacement cost of $1,000, I believe it was. So, and that's >> mayor and council members. I I put together a little package here. Not even package, just a Yeah, that's right. >> Great.

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>> Thanks for coming in, Keith. >> I know you're always trying to increase the traffic, so >> that's a big sign. >> I know. >> Well, I've always said this is if you have a sign that's saying for any length

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of time, people get signed blind. Sure. >> And it's been out there two years now. >> Yeah. I'd like to just kind of go through the timeline and I apologize that I didn't have enough time to put together a packet for everybody. Um but um basically the current billboard that

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we have it's we we're paying $600 a month for that right now. It's on the east side of the highway near P&M Trust. It's been there since the end of 2024. that particular design. Um we paid $1,000 to change the design to the current one at the end of 2024 um in

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order to highlight the winner um logo, best wine selection, best liquor store that we started doing dash delivery and then we added the handy liquor.com. Um the goal was to highlight that we're a great liquor store and you can, you know, shop us online, get delivery, all that stuff.

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The cost for change at that time were $1,000 and that's to design, print, and install um the billboard. That's what it would cost us today if we wanted to do that, too. Um there is an option if we were to sign a 24-month contract, the

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install fees and all that would be waved, but we paid a $375 posting fee and lose the ability to opt out of the contract. Um, my my goal is to get to to find a place near the liquor store to get a nice big sign,

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>> correct? >> And then be done with the billboard. So, I really don't want to save 6, you know, $25 right now and be locked into a two-year contract with them. So, we we'd be looking at $1,000 to to change it.

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Um, if you flip over to the other side, I've kind of got a background of the previous signs we've had. I don't know if you saw those either. Um, but I I think Steve's got a great point where people do become sign blind. Um, it even happens in like the liquor store. People

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just don't notice things sometimes and it's really frustrating. Um, but the background u we started leasing the billboard picture below there in March of 2023. So that was the original design at that location and the goal there was to get people

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you know, make sure everybody knew that we had a trailer and RV parking and that it was two corners to the right. Um, before finding that location, we we were able the only spot that was open was 7 milesi south of the liquor store and that was $500 a month. It was on the west side of the highway and it just

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said, you know, 7 miles ahead, you can turn right. We're RV friendly. Um, that one wasn't illuminated and we were paying $500 a month uh for that. Um, that ended. They did let us out of that contract early. Um that was a different

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company that was Lamar. Um they were they let us out because they found someone to take over that lease. Otherwise, we would have had to pay a penalty or keep paying for that one. But that worked out pretty good. So that's kind of the background of where we're at with the sign. Um I wish more people

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could see it, you know. Um there are a lot of signs there. So my thought would be, you know, a location where maybe there aren't so many signs. Um, so maybe it would stand

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out more. Um, because there is a lot to look at right there. Um, but $1,000 is is quite a bit to take a chance. Um, you know, I I like making the city money, not spending money, but I do understand you have to, you know, invest to to make

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a profit, too. Um, so out of my $15,000 um advertising budget, I I've got $11,300 spoken for right now. Um, through the rest of the year with current commitments, I do, you know, we're budgeted for 15. That's a number

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that I don't want to reach. Um, you know, if I had to spend another $1,000 to change that sign, um, that would put me closer to, um, you know, that amount. But I will take any We all have the same goals.

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>> Quick question. How much just to print it? >> They they do the design, print and install. That's all. >> You cannot take the design away. >> Um, >> well, like how the process works is they we do proofs and kind of go through what

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what we think looks good and what we're looking for. You know, they have someone that does that design part. >> I I asked that question because we have a lot of talented people in the city and I was thinking of there was design cost that we could take that cost and have contest see what

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somebody could come up with something that's really creative that's catching that that might work I mean the sign has a lot of information that's not boring but that's just my opinion because it's it's just

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>> I think you need to put I think you need to put a you need to put a neon color >> I agree like orange or you don't want red. Blue is not a color, you know, like a lime green or a yellow or something that stands out

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that uh that people you'll see it when it when that color a neon color sticks out, people will see it no matter what. >> So, I know uh in Oiggo there's that beer sign. We talked about that 10 times, you know, when Mike was here especially and

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we talked about that and you know, I've been in the advertising space for quite a while and I think you just need something that catches your audience memorable. Um, so I envision it as maybe just a white a white billboard with the words beer second right or beer like beer and then big letters and then wine

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and spirits second right and then city logo. That's just just something that something basic because then you're more likely to actually look at the content on there. um and and maybe the white background with red, white, and blue letters or just something, you know, it would have been would have been cool to get this done before the 250th, but I

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didn't I didn't think about that. But I think the uh if we're looking at a contract, so this lease price is very very good. Um and I think even if we do do if we do the contract, even if we still have that, even if we do in our own sign, I think this is still if you

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we can get it to where it like pops, I think it's still going to prove you more value. So I'm not too worried about the month lease myself. Um I think that's a good way to, you know, only spend 375 instead of a,000 um for the actual putting it up. And I think no matter what, you're always going to see the

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$600 month value out of that, even with our own sign. Um so that's that's my opinion. Um you know, like you said that even if you did the white with the beard and neon the beard >> color that stands out.

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You just need something that grabs attention >> a lot less color. >> Yeah. >> But the problem is with the lights on there, the white, >> you're not going to see that. You need to have you need to have that

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>> a pop color that grabs your attention. I mean, I see signs I see signs every day driving up and down the road. And George, you've seen millions of them, too. And how many did you just drive by and say, "What's that sign again?" >> You drove by already because you just

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don't you just your sign went to it. But if you see something that stands out in a color or you know, and that's where a dynamic sign makes a difference. Movement on it. That's when people see things.

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I just want to point out too that um one of one of the reasons that we're barely above last year's sales right now is because our e-commerce sales have taken off um exponentially. Um last year I sicker.com and Door Dash. Um you know, and I I

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don't know if the eight people that you guys talked to has have ever ordered online or not. Um but I feel like that's an important part of the message that I'm trying to get out because that's where we're seeing most screw. So, I just want to point that out as well. >> So, they have something like order

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online or some something on there type of thing. >> Yeah, that was a I know that was a struggle for you guys, but that has been a huge deal. So, and you know, the whole point of this is the liquor store puts money back into the general fund so that the taxes go down for everybody. So, any

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success we have there is good. I'm not opposed to the Twitter release like you said even if we did get a pandemic sign. You can start doing different advertisements on that where that's still going to catch your attention when you see it further down the road than what that dynamic sign.

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>> And I think that $1,000 is well >> it'll be 375 then if we do the two-year contract. So then your budget isn't as impacted. >> I'm all for it. >> I do too. I mean you did a great job on this billboard. is so professional. I

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think that might be part of a problem. >> I should have spelled something wrong. >> I should have spelled the word wrong because that draw people in and everybody talking about it. That's a that's a real thing, you know. >> Do you know that I see any liquor people

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are the people that are using the ordering online, are they local? >> Um I I can show you statistics. Um but to be completely honest with you, the majority of our online orders um Door Dash especially are going up to Cambridge. Um last month we had orders

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go to Cambridge. Um North Branch, St. Francis, Stacy's, East um St. Francis, Princeton, they're they're everywhere. >> Okay. Because I guess when I'm driving by that's not what I see because then >> it's it's a lot to look at. And you got

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to keep in mind that people are driving 80 miles an hour, you know, up 65 >> 65. But I do like I hadn't seen it prior to meetings, you know, several meetings ago. And so then I went looking for it and it wasn't the the I only just saw

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right now because AI told me that that's the one thing you should take out immediately and Door Dash. And I wonder if people are finding it more just because they visit. And then >> so the other way that we're advertising for the e-commerce stuff is on busy

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weekends, we have customized koozies that have QR code on there with the Door Dash logo um that we hand out to people when they bring to their campsites or cabins or put it as they're drinking their favorite liquid. Um you know, stop at

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this awesome liquor store. I hope it that way. rodeo coming up. We've got a panel that starts with our code and advertising stuff on there. So, I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to pulling it off of there. I just want to make sure you guys understand that that's a part of the business that I'm really trying to

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to grow in a responsible way. Keep it simple, get some nice pop colors on it. >> It did mention like the gold like instead of a flat pole, they had more of a metallic gold if there's words that you wanted to promote. But even just the idea of just any liquor. If I need

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liquor, I'm not going to read all the small I'm just going to turn left into or turn right into rice. You know, if I need something, I'm not going to read the small print. Um and and I'm going to find a beer that I like. Um but yeah, I just think like the simpler and and some

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brighter colors that really pop and and I I'm lazy and I just use AI. Um but they sure do come up with some great ideas and then maybe have a contest. for the three cases a year. >> I don't think I can give any away.

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>> How do you feel about the the contract personal contract? Erica, >> I like the billboard thing. I'm not a huge um the dynamic signs. I'm not huge on the the brightness and the light. I think the CB joint like killed all joy that I could have given to that.

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>> Too bright. Too bright. It hurt your eyes. >> It was Yeah, I mean it was it was obnoxious. Um so I guess just that part that history makes me like I don't want one. >> You saw it, >> but I didn't read it because I was just so pissed about it. So, I don't know.

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Like, I don't know. But I do I would like to see what would happen if we did another 24 months on a billboard and it was simpler and just very >> I think one way we could do this is maybe we should look at the 24 you sign

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the 24 month agreement but also tell him that he can six months or eight months if to rotate and maybe do another sign. >> But the sign is $1,000 every time. >> Well, signing >> that's that's something you can negotiate. There's with with billboard

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contracts you can negotiate amount of change outs that you want. Some companies have it and you get a one year change out. Like I I I think if we design a billboard, this one's been up two years and I think two years is a pretty good period. That's probably why they offer it in two years, you know. I

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don't know. They're expensive. I know that. >> But you could, you know, when you talk to them about signing that to your How often can you change? >> If there's other options, maybe. >> Yeah. But I'm all for letting spend thousand

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right now and signing a two-year agreement. >> Well, then let's just do it that way and then get when you talk to them about the lease for two years, see about what they would charge. Say

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once every six months to change it or once a year to change the sign. We get an idea from that. >> They might even give me an option to keep that they would keep the one and they just rotate the same two, you know, just put put up the old one again type of thing. That might be something to ask

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about too. >> George, Nick, what do you what do you think the contract is the 24 months? >> I don't know. With the timeline of dynamic science, I feel like the two years Yeah,

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that we would go through that before that's all said and done. Um, I do the simplicity portion of it. I remember this one from before the 2003 one. >> Yeah. >> And I saw it all the time. I've noticed like for whatever reason it's the

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business of the colors, but the current one you don't normally catch it. I think some of that information out would be advantageous. George Keep this >> keep the billing.

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>> Yeah, that's not going anywhere. >> That's just too good of a spot. You just have to even if it just said something simple like stop. >> That seems like a consensus and I know we are considering others. previous

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time. That's the whole um it's just kind of a waiting waiting game. So >> defin Yeah, I think she has actually. >> She knows I'm teasing her. She's been working real hard trying to find it. >> So maybe uh maybe you could come back to

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the next maybe committee whole meeting if you have, you know, in two weeks. You think that gives you enough time to get a little more information. We can talk about other options or >> Yeah. Okay. I'll get some stuff put together. >> Okay. And hopefully you're excited to hopefully get more traffic. the end goal, right? So,

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all right, sounds good. Do we need a motion on that? Maybe motion to authorize up to 375. >> I just said I motion up to,000 and then sign into your lease. That would be my motion. Motion up to $1,000 and sign into your lease.

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>> Second. >> Motion by Line, second by Zon. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? >> Motion carries. 5. >> Is that when you say the he's not going to be up to. >> So, it just gives him he can get going

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on it and once they know they're going to sign, they can maybe customize it. >> Okay, sounds good. We'll move on to the consent agenda. Are there any questions or items in the consent agenda that anybody would like to pull out for discussion? >> Motion to approve.

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>> Second. >> Motion by L. Second by Eman. All in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries 5. Any other communications or questions from staff or council? >> Motion to adjourn. >> Do you have any questions?

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>> Oh, I'm excited. >> The time motion by Line, second by all in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries 5. We are ajourned. It's still light outside.