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Part 1 (Video ID: zisY3q_Lh8M):
- 00:00:12: City Council Meeting Called to Order, Pledge Allegiance
- 00:01:02: Public Comment - Robert Stone Jr. on Shapes and Flags
- 00:06:09: Adopting the Agenda, Meeting Minutes Approval, Announcements
- 00:07:50: Council Committee Reports - Fire Board, Community Ed
- 00:12:13: Council Committee Reports - BMX Nationals Event Success
- 00:14:39: Council Committee Reports - Charter School, Road Construction
- 00:18:21: Resolution to Accept 2025 Annual Financial Report
- 00:33:26: Appointing a Member to the Park and Rec Board
- 00:36:58: Awarding Bid for Railroad Avenue and Main Street Project
- 00:52:02: Accepting Proposal for PD Roof EPDM Repair Project
- 01:13:10: Accepting Isi County Health and Human Services POD
- 01:16:52: Railroad Avenue Sewer Discussion and Options for Repair


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All right, it is 7 p.m. We'll call the city council meeting to order. If we could all rise for the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all. >> Doing roll call. All voting members are present. Uh we will open up the four floor for public comment tonight. And just a reminder of a couple of the ground rules. Uh we have a threeminute limit on public comment this evening. Um and we ask that it's not uh or that it's limited to city business, not personal

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or political attacks. We will have a timekeeper here that will put up a one minute sign and uh we will limit that to 15 minutes total tonight. So, if anybody has anything that they would like to say as a group, uh, please dedicate a spokesperson and do so. If there's anybody that would like to speak for public comment, you're welcome to come

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up at this time. Just come on up and state your name and address for the record, please. And thank you for coming in. All right. Hello everyone. I'm Robert Stone Jr. I live at 27101 Zest Street. Let me grab >> Sorry, it doesn't look so short.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Uh, now that's loud. >> That's much better. Yeah. All right. So, I'm here today to talk about a couple of things. So, the first thing I want to say is I've worked for in hospitality for over 20 years. I've been a server,

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every front of house position, every back of house b position. I've been a front of house manager, back of house manager, and a general manager of several years as well. And one of the most frustrating things about working in hospitality is when you go back to the

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dish pit and it's a mess. people can't stack their plates. You know, the small plates go with small plates, squares with squares. It's pretty easy. You would think that uh a bunch of adults would know their shapes. However, uh that's not always the case. And the

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reason why it's important that you stack your plates is because if you're misstacking shapes, they can fall, they break, then you're costing the company money. Otherwise, um it also is for efficiency pieces. Just in case you were wondering why it's so annoying. All

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right. So that brings me to shapes. So my first exhibit, we have two shapes. Are these the same shapes? I hope all of you say no, because they're not. One's a square, one's a rectangle.

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My next shape. We have two. Are these the same? They are not. One is a fivepoint star and one is an eightoint star. Very good, everyone. You've passed. I would let you be my co-workers. Okay. Uh so this is

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where it brings me to my next point. Um when we talk about the differences here, I'm bringing it up because I was informed today and saw with my own eyes by our mayor Luke

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uh quote, "It's a Somali calling card. I won't name the name that you were talking to. They are stealing our taxpayer dollars um money and the flag welcomes them and shows them that this is their new home.

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Get rid of the flag. Get rid of the losers. Well, it appears that you are taking the place of one of my annoying and lazy co-workers today. The reason I say that is because the Somali flag has

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five pointed star. One, the Minnesota flag has a eightointed star, the outline of Minnesota in abstract form, and two different colors of blue.

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Somali flag has one. I bring this up because I find it hilarious that we can consider these two the same thing. The shapes don't match and neither do the colors. But that point aside, I'll finish up

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real quick. I understand parts of it and parts of it I disagree with. So, I understand the reasoning is for it appears it's woke because it's erasing history. I understand the historical context. I

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appreciate history. Um, and there was nothing wrong with the old flag. So, why replace it? Well, to that I ask you, where does that agenda stop? Because behind you we have an American flag. It's not the original. So is it woke to

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put that up? >> Because we had a 13 star, 13 stripes flag when this country started. It was established in 1777. The flag, not the country. So why is it woke or a bad thing to

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adopt a new flag on the state level, but you guys still proudly fly the American flag that has been changed several times. >> All right, we're going to have to stop you there. It was an extra minute. Thank you for coming. >> I guess to end it, what I'd like to say is, and thank you for the extra time, is

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that um our country right now is bombing schools full of children. >> This has nothing to do with city business. >> Well, yes, it does. Because while this is going on, >> I'm going to ask you to stop. >> You sat here and two years ago were so proud >> cuz it was city business to establish

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that that flag will be the flag, man. Sorry. >> So, I just ask you to be consistent with your morals. And if that flag isn't woke, >> and this one is, I think you need to fix your American flag. >> You can have a discussion with him on the side about that.

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>> I'm done now, George. Thank you. >> Good. Thank you. You're very welcome. Take down that woke flag, please. We want to be consistent. >> It's not going to happen. >> All right. And uh anybody else for public comment tonight?

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>> All right. We will close the public comment. We will move on to adopting the agenda unless there are changes. >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. There are no changes. However, there was a later addition that I'd like to point out. Um business item K6, Railroad Avenue sewer discussion. Thank you.

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Great. Anything else from council? >> Motion to approve. >> I'll second. >> Motion from Lundine. Second by He-Man to approve. All in favor say I. I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries 5-0. The agenda is adopted. Uh we don't have any proclamations, commendations, or

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certificates tonight. Uh next we will move on to approving the city council meeting minutes from April 7th, 2026. And I did notice uh in the consent agenda uh it was not noted that the vote was zero to zero. I wasn't here for the meeting, but I listened. I'm pretty sure it was a 40 approval on the consent

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agenda. So there's just a little typo there. >> Anything else? >> All right. Then I entertain a motion to approve the minutes with those changes or with that change. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion by Peterson, second by Heman. All in favor say I.

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>> I. Any opposed? >> Motion carries. 5-0. Uh, next are the announcements. Park and Rec board meeting uh will be Tuesday, April 28th, 2026 at 6 p.m. The EDA uh meeting will be Tuesday, May 5th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. City Council meeting Tuesday, May 5th,

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2026 uh at 7 p.m. And we will open it up for county commun county communications if there's anybody from the county here. I'm not seeing anybody. Uh so we will go on to the council committee reports. Does anybody have anything they'd like

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to share? >> So I had a fire board meeting last Wednesday. Um we got a financial audit back which they had passed. They only are required to do it every five years but they do it every year. Um the only thing they had was that they had a suggestion during

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the audit that any um close session meetings be recorded and be retained for uh at least three years that are required. Uh you'll send me the statute that she had referenced when she gave the report to the board. Um there was

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some small routine stuff and uh they did reelected the chair and vice chair for another year. Um, and then they're undergoing reviews of their standard operating guidelines that will get back next month. And then

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I had the community education committee met last week as well. Uh, they reported a fund balance that was pretty healthy and talked about the unfunded mandates and just warning again that they have some concerns about long-term costs of what that's going to

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do to their budget. uh talked about how each summer unemployment costing between4 to $100,000 just for the community education portion, not the actual like normal school budget, but just for the community ed teachers. And that the mandate would cost the

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preschool program about $200,000 per year because of the lensure requirements that are being uh mandated. >> And that's a state mandate. >> Yep. State mandated, not state funded. Uh they gave us a breakdown of how the ECF money comes in talking about how 30%

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of it is from state funding, 10% is from local levy, and then tuition ends up costing uh generates about 60% of the ECF funds. Uh I'm sorry, not just ECF, but uh community as well. Uh and then

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they're looking at changing from monthly meeting to a quarterly meeting by they have to meet at least four times a year. They want to just spread that out quarterly rather than having about double that. And that's it from that. >> What's the fire district going to do with the SOGS? They're just going to go

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over them. >> Uh the firefighters went through and they looked for any kind of inconsistencies or inongruities, brought up issues with the SOGS. So, they have a list of things that like just language changes, typos, referencing something a document that no longer exists. So,

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removing all that kind of stuff. Um, they gave us a report of the findings from SOG outlying issues. It's three pages, a pretty small font. And so they gave us their findings. The firefighters are going to go over it again and just kind of finalize it out. And then we'd

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get a sometime in the next month or two if we want to authorize the changes, which I think was going to be item by item, not just in totality. >> Okay. And you had said that uh they recommended recording closed meetings.

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Is that is so are they planning on doing that? >> I mean she sent me the state statute that it's a requirement and there was some meetings last year that were not recorded. Correct. >> Uh I have pushed and asked that everything be recorded and may made publicly available streamed if possible.

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uh there's the board does not want to do that but in that instance if it's a closed session it's as far as I can see I mean there's not a lot of wiggle room like it needs to be done. >> Did you have any support this time when you mentioned it or was were you the only one who had actually wanted

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transpar transparency and openness during them meetings and have them recorded so the public could see them. It seems there's one person that I know for sure that's on board with recording and making the public aware of stuff, but it seems like everyone else once you have transparency, you also have

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accountability and >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Well, that's concerning. I guess if if you need any help from us on that, let us know. >> No, I we've talked about it. I know that everyone is in support or I haven't

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talked to Miss Adon about it, but when we've talked about in the past that you guys agree with it, so we're we have the ability to advocate for that and push for. I mean, >> we do it. We're not putting a standard on the fire district that we don't want our don't abide by ourselves,

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>> right? >> Sounds good. Anybody else have committee reports? Um, I had BMX and I think what everyone just needs to know is we ran an amazing event and we I mean I sold hot dogs most

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of the time, but um I think we sold almost 3,000 meals over three days. It was insane. There was more motos than there were from the previous national. There was I'm guessing every hotel in the area was booked. Restaurants were busy. Um bars were busy. Quick Trip was

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busy. It was a It was a good weekend, but maybe Travis has a different opinion, but it was a great event for everyone and I can't tell you the number of positive I'm not talking about the board right now, sorry. But that's all we

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talked about. The number of people from every state across the US was just amazed by our facility, by the the way we run a track and it was really good. It's really good. >> Great. I was there the first day uh too

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and it was really awesome and there must have been some sort of I don't know if there's a standing joke but I had like 10 people from out of state ask me how do I sayani >> like that they're like how do you pronounce this so I don't know >> oh it's one of those like top 20 like how to say likeina or mameita or yeah in

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there >> so that was really interesting you know and I talked to people from Arizona Texas California they all you know and I learned about how they travel they have specialized bags that they break their bikes down in I figured a lot of people drove but a lot of fly. So, that was interesting to learn and it was a good event and um it's very well under

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control. I saw nothing that was at all alarming. Um I did get some feedback that maybe next year uh safety and rescue or the reserves would like to be involved um with actual, you know, presence there instead of the police department. Uh there was some feedback from a few people of from safety and

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rescue. So maybe next year we we we look at that. >> Safety and rescue was there. >> Yeah, sure. Well, they wanted to be more involved. I guess that's just what I heard from a couple of them. So, yeah, that was maybe next year we we talk about how to get that more involved and maybe we can, you know, not have the

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police necessarily there trying to save that money that we talked about. But that was uh good feedback. It was a good event. Um it's a really good thing for our community and I'm happy that it went so well. >> Yeah. >> You have any other council committee reports?

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>> Okay. I have a couple. Uh so, the Arts and Science Academy, uh they have to make some cuts to their budget. Um, these cuts will include restruct restructuring some classrooms um and staff and trying to make up for a large operating deficit the past school year. Uh, they're also starting searches for a new authorizer of the charter school.

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Uh, the authorizer is responsible for monitoring the academic, financial, and operational performance of its charter schools. Um, there is a bit of negative pressure from state leadership that charter and private schools are are facing. Um, so that seems to be a concern. Um, so they're kind of fighting a little bit of a battle there, but I

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have faith that they'll figure it out and uh I know they're working hard uh to get that that situation there corrected. Um the ISD 911 schoolboard meeting is is this week, so I'll have a report during our next meeting. Uh I attended the county commissioner board meeting this morning. They talked about the road

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construction schedule here with the roundabout completion. Uh the east side of the roadway leading to the roundabout. Uh so between the the stop light and the roundabout is starting April 27th. Um, and that's expected to take at least a few weeks. Uh, the west side from the roundabout to the tracks

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is scheduled immediately after. Uh, they're hopeful for an end of May start or early June start on that part. Um, we also discussed or we have discussed in the past and it was briefly mentioned today about closing down Heritage Boulevard west of the tracks uh during this time so that they can uh do a

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better patch on our existing failing roadway uh to get it through until their 2028 funding comes through for that project. Uh, as you guys know, I've spent a significant amount of time lobbying for better conditions on that roadway. And I hope we're now on the same page and the county can get their roadway into better shape uh for our

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residents. Uh, when I was on vacation, I heard complaints about the pothole in the corner of Dalan and Heritage. So, I requested the county come out and fix that. They got it fixed very promptly, so I'm very thankful for that. Um, and also I want to thank Mr. Becker for forwarding the issues um to the appropriate parties. You know, we have

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road issues, light issues, and and uh Mr. Becker always does a great job with that and he's been a uh doing a really great job in his new leadership role. U this is also a reminder if anyone in the community sees uh bad roadway conditions or infrastructure concerns like burnt out street lights or other failures,

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please reach out to the appropriate channels to let them know. Uh elected and employed city or county officials can't be everywhere at once. Uh we depend on the community to communicate with us as well and we all have a duty to keep an eye on our community and keep it the best it can be. Uh so I encourage everybody to reach out to uh leaders and

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let them know if there's issues that need to be uh addressed. Uh also during the meeting today for the county uh we'll talk about this in another item. Um but they talked about potentially trying a more advanced uh patching technique. Uh so I'm hopeful

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that that's something that will make that roadway better there. Any other council committee reports? Your questions >> with the reporting? Do you know if that part's been implemented yet on the site or if that's still in progress? >> Which reporting? >> Like we're going to have like if you

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want to report road stuff, if you want to to all the different departments. >> So that was on the website, correct? >> That was part of the transition was going to be improving the contact. >> Jaden, >> that yes, that is live on our website. >> Okay. So if anybody has any complaints,

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I didn't know that was live now. Uh you can go on our website and uh those complaints will be hopefully accurately routed. We'll see how it goes right off the top. >> Yep. It's at the top of the main homepage. >> Okay. Report a problem and then we'll we'll know it's there because like I said, we can't know everything that's

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going on. You know, I think each of us has our own little section that we drive through and we see, but there's area the areas that are missed, you know, and that's just we depend on everybody to be involved. So, any other questions? All right. Right. Then we will move on

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to business item K1, resolution to consider accepting the 2025 annual financial report and management letter. >> Good evening, mayor and members of council. We have uh Kelsey here with Abdo to run through a little presentation they put together

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summarizing our 2025 audit results. >> Thank you Kelsey for being here. If you could just state your name and address for the record or your name and business addresses just fine. >> My name is Kelsey Larson. I am with Eden Avenue.

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Move that a little bit closer. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um yeah, so I'm with Abdo. I am the manager on the city of Icani audit and I will be going through your 2025 financial statement audit with you today. Um so we'll go through your audit results, look at your general fund, your

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other governmental funds, peek at your enterprise funds, and then we'll also have some key performance indicators in there as well. So just starting off with your audit results, I do just like to remind you that as auditors, we are engaged to opine on your financial statements on

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whether or not they are presented fairly and free from material misstatement. So we do this through a series of testing such as um getting confirmations from your bank. We get some confirmations from your county. We sample some of your invoices, your journal entries. Um while we're not looking at everything, we are

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using our professional judgment um to form that opinion. And we were able to issue an unmodified opinion under GAP this year stating that your financial statements are presented fairly. And then along with our regular audit testing, we are also required to test your compliance with any applicable

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Minnesota state statutes. So some examples of that testing include making sure you have sufficient collateral with your banks, you're following contracting and bidding rules, debt procedures, um things of that nature. And we had no instances of non-compliance noted this year. There was two internal control findings

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this year. Um that top one just states that we as your auditors are the ones preparing your financial statements. Um if you've seen these presentations before that should look familiar. Um really common for cities your size kind of a um cost versus benefit situation as it would be very costly and timely to

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train someone to prepare your financial statements. And then we also had a material audit adjustment this year. Um, so through our audit findings, um, we noticed that there was some land that was owned by the city that was not recorded on your books. Um, so that was land held by the

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EDA for resale and then just some other parcels that the city owned um, just had been missed on your books. Um, so we did do a restatement, beginning balances to record that. Any questions on that? Moving into the general fund here. This

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first chart's going to show you your unassigned fund balance as a percentage of next year's budgeted expenses. And then that's going to compare you to your fund balance policy um of 30 to 70%. Um so over the last 5 years, you've really been able to maintain within that range

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um and really healthy fund balance increases year after year going from about 40% to 63% in 2025. >> And can you explain what a fund balance is to people that are listening? Yeah. So that is the funds that um you have available to spend. Um there are

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certain restrictions. So there's like a restricted fund balance that's restricted for certain uses. There's commitments. There's assignments. Unassigned fund balance is the amounts that you as a council have to spend um for what you choose. So >> it's like a savings account for worst case scenario.

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>> Yes. Yep. Yep. Um so to dig into that uh general fund increase this year we have your budget to actual. Uh so revenues did come in over budget by about 490,000. Um this was mainly just due to you guys um having a pretty conservative budget

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on the building permit activity. Um so that came in over budget by about 400,000. Um comparing that to last year it actually did decrease about 7,000. So really just kind of budget um you guys budgeted pretty low for that. Um there was also about 70,000 um for lease

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amortization. There was a new um accounting standard about I think three years back that changed how we account for those. Um so just not something that you have budgeted on your end. >> So when you say overbudgeted, it just means that we brought in more money, more revenue than expected. >> Yeah. I mean the lease amortization is

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just kind of an accounting entry. So you're what you probably budgeted for the lease revenue. I believe it's the BMX lease on there. um just how we account for it is a little bit different than it was in the past. So you're still bringing in the same amount of revenue that you're probably expecting um just

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in accounting way. You're not budgeting for that 70,000 amortization. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Expenditures did come in over budget by about 136,000. This was mainly just due to you guys outsourcing um some building inspection activity that you

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had not budgeted for. Um, so overall you had budgeted for a decrease in your fund balance of about 300,000. Um, but with those revenues coming in and some transfers in, you did end the year with an increase of about 83,000. Next, we have your general fund revenues

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and expenditures spread type. Um, so on the left we have your revenues. Overall, your revenues did decrease from 2024 by about 145,000. Um, really just due to your transfer activity. Um, so that's something you budget for, um, just based

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on future needs. Um, so that was really the only fluctuation from 24 to 25. The rest of your revenue stayed very consistent. Expenditures increased about 215,000. Um, this was mainly in that general government line um, as you had outsourced that finance director role

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for a couple months and then also just some higher wages and planning and zoning. Moving into your special revenue fund balances here. Um, so that top is just going to lay out each of the funds and the changes in those fund balances. Um, so I'll just hit a few of the major

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differences here. So that EDA did have a pretty significant increase of almost 1.3 million. That's going to directly tie back to that landhold for resale that we um recorded this year. And then your parks did decrease almost 200,000 just due to some projects you

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had going on um like the Bluebird uh playground and skate park and then also the Woodland Park as well. Um and then that bottom chart is going to show you where those fund balances are sitting. So like we said um if there's any like outside donors or grant dollars that are

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restricted for certain uses, that's going to be in that restricted fund balance. um the council can commit certain um funds to be used for uses. Um and then your management could assign some uses and then that non-spendable is going to be once again that landhold for

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resale. And then unassigned is going to be any um funds that are in a deficit. So your indoor arena in the illuminate fund. Your capital project funds um your street construction did decrease this year really just due to the timing of your MSA dollars. um and just

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reimbursements and they usually don't align super well. Um capital replacement did increase by 175,000 just due to the delay of some projects. Um you had some AC AC units wanted to replace um some street lights um just didn't happen in

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2025 for that increase. Um and most of that is sitting in assigned fund balance. you just have one governmental debt service fund for your 2020 2021a tax baitment bonds um ended the year at 935,000 um and almost at the end they are

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maturing in 2030 um as we move into your utility funds these slides are going to look pretty similar as we use the same two um charts here that top one is your cash flows from operations um so really kind of what's coming in to the city and what's going out um that margin there of

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operating income is really important as that is what's going to fund any future infrastructure improvements or um street needs, anything of that nature. So, we really do want to see these funds making money for the city to fund those future items. Um and then the bottom is going

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to show you your cash balance um compared to our target balance, which is the next year's debt service payment plus 50% of operating costs. Um, so really the bare minimum to keep that fund going. So anything above that is your cash reserves for those future

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needs. Your sewer fund is also doing well. Um, a little bit smaller margins especially in 23 and 24. However, it was able to make that up a little bit in 2025. Um, and still seeing a pretty steady increase in those cash balances. Storm water is also doing great. um

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obviously on a smaller scale than your water and sewer utilities um but still maintaining those healthy cash increases. Next we have your liquor store fund. Um so we have some gross profit analysis compared to the OSA averages. Um the OSA

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has not released the 2024 averages so we will just be comparing you to the 2023 averages. Um overall if we look from 24 to 25, you did have a small decrease in your operating income. Not too surprising as we are kind of seeing that trend downward of alcohol consumption

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everywhere. Um so not surprising there. Um but if we do compare you to the 2023 OSA averages, you are well above um those. So still doing well. And if you like visual that top charts kind of the same information um over the last three years, staying very

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consistent there. Um, and then also seeing increases in cash, which is nice to see as you guys transfer out a pretty hefty amount year after year. So, still seeing those cash increases is nice. >> And can you explain what the transfer out of the liquor store fund where it goes? >> I don't know for sure.

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>> Okay. It goes towards reducing the levy. There's been a question about that. >> Correct. Yes. The money that we transfer out from the liquor store fund helps cover the operational cost in the general fund. >> And we will talk about taxes here. Sounds good.

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>> Okay. Um, then we have your cash investment balances over the last three years. Um, so from 24 to 25, you had about a million dollar increase. Um, which was mainly in those enterprise funds that we just talked about. Um, your other funds stayed pretty consistent. Okay. Um, getting into some key

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performance indicators here. We have three kind of buckets of these charts here. Um, so taxes is first. I do know that it's a goal of the city to keep your tax burden low for your community. Um, and I think we can see that you are attaining that as we look at these

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charts. Um, so we compare you to class four cities which is based on population and then your cities in Iani County. Um, so tax rate trending downwards the last four years. Um, stayed pretty consistent from 24 to 25. Um, but still on that trend downwards um, and below your peers

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there. And then taxes per capita relatively staying um consistent around that $500 range while your peers are in about the 600 to 750 range. And then new this year we added the tax rate mix. Um so this is going to be the

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total kind of burden that your community carries and what makes up that. Um so the city is going to be on the bottom the orange. Um then we have your county and your school tax rate as well. Um so once again pretty as a community you are trending downwards pretty hefty there um

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and staying below that class 4 average. And we also have your debt here. Um so you do only have the one governmental fund debt which is well below kind of averages um in your county and class 4 cities. Um, so nice to see that you're trending that downwards as you're paying

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off that bond um, and keeping your total debt service expenditures um, a lot lower than we see elsewhere. And then we have your expenditures. Um, so current expenditures per capita on the left is going to be everything but your capital expenses. Um, really nice

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to see that you've stayed consistent these last four years. Um I think elsewhere we've pretty much seen a trend upwards as we see inflation um and everywhere else. So nice to see that you've been able to stay consistent um without having that more debt or anything. Um which I think we can also

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help that towards your liquor store fund is helping towards that as well. And then your capital expenditures per capita really hard to kind of compare to otherwise. Um just it varies based on year what projects you have going on the funding. Um, so you guys are kind of on

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every other year kind of looks like 2025 was a little bit larger of a spending year for your projects. And >> that is all I have. Is there any other questions? >> I just have to say great job. You know a lot of the ins and outs of the even the small intricate city stuff. So I can

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tell that you spent a lot of time on it. And thank you Nick also. I know you guys spend a lot of time on this and it's really important and I think it's great to see a summary here and you know for your guys' expertise with all these other cities to that you point out that you know the the trend that we're on here on I think it's awesome.

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>> So thank you. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Any questions? Yeah, >> you have a few questions. Let me go back here. Um for cash and investments, how do we rank with other cities? Um it seems like we have a our enterprise fund and

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Yeah, I would say your enterprise funds are doing very well um building up those cash reserves, especially with you guys not taking out debt after debt after debt. Um you do have a very healthy cash reserve there to fund those future improvements. >> Do do you have any idea how that compares to other cities like ours?

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>> I don't have specific numbers. No, >> it has to be way way better in most cities. I would have to predict. So, I remember Mike used to say that there's only like four cities in Minnesota that are levied debt free or or something like that. And in 2029, we'll have our last debt come off and we will be one of

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the select cities that doesn't have that sort of debt. >> One of five cities in Minnesota >> out of 850. >> Yep. >> It's very rare. Yep. >> It's a It is very rare and it's awesome to see that we've been able to do that and it's been just good long-term, you know, repeatedly making smart decisions

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for staff and council and even the community members. >> Correct. Yeah. Any any other questions? Erica, this is your first little audit presentation. What' you think? And >> that was interesting. >> You like numbers. >> Awesome. Well, I just want to say thank

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you guys. We appreciate working with you guys. We really appreciated, Nick, this year. Um, stepping into that role for the first time. Um, and Josie and the rest of your staff have been really great to work with and we appreciate it. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Motion to accept the 2025 annual financial report.

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>> Second. Motion by Peterson, second by Lundine to accept the uh audit report, financial report. All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. 5-0. Uh so next we'll move on to item K2. Consider appointment to the vacant seat

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on the park and recck board. Um so I'm not sure how we handle this. Do would you just like a revote? Is that >> Uh yeah. So mayor and council, I'll just give a recap for um our audience here, I guess. Uh the vacancy of the park and recre board was created when Erica Zidan was appointed to the city council on

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March 17th. Uh the remaining of that term uh expires on December 20 of 2028. Uh we did post it. We did have interviews um on April 7th of Melissa Williams, Josh Donner, and Theodore Kudson. So at this time um at at the

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April 7th meeting, we did have a tie vote of two and two. And so we're looking to do a complete new vote. So um can entertain a motion to recommend who you'd like to appoint and it' be a revote.

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>> Okay. Um I guess I'll just say, you know, I listened back to the meeting and appreciated all three of the applicants that interviewed. I think they're all pretty good. You know, normally I'd be happy with any of those three options on the park board. Um but we have to choose only one. I think that's a good problem to have. Um Okay.

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>> I don't know if we want to go into the specifics of who we're going to vote for or how you guys want to do it. Well, I'll just state my my vote still stands where it was. >> Yeah, that's what I was going to say. >> Mine does too. >> Unchanged. >> And just to recap, if you could who you

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did vote if if it doesn't matter if you're voting for the same, but we'll just mention who that is. >> Yes, I voted for Melissa. >> Melissa >> Theodore Theodore Kudson. >> So, I I get to break the tiebreaker. Um,

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so I guess I'm going to vote for the person that I have experience with on another city board. Uh, someone that I know is thorough and reliable and always uh will offer best. Uh, someone that I know is also fiscally cognizant and will bring a diverse voice to the park board. Uh, Theodore Kudson is my choice. Um,

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again, it's not because I don't think any of the candidates are good. I think I'd be happy with any of them. I just have a good understanding and feel for how Theodore would work on that board, and I think he'd be a good fit with the board. So, that that would be my vote. Um, and I encourage the other two to uh consider being involved in the future,

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you know, and there is a we talked about another new kind of subcommittee that I'm going to work on for fundraising for um park type stuff. So, you could kind of get involved with the parks in that way. So, if if either of the other two applicants want to get involved with the fundraising for the parks or the advertising for the parks, please reach

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out to me. Um, I think that's a good way to get involved. And again, I appreciate everybody uh that put their name in the hat for that. So, do we need to make a motion to >> motion to amend the resolution? >> Um, so let's first motion. Yeah, we

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could do motion for the resolution, but it is to appoint um who you're appointing or who you recommending. >> So, we >> someone has to make a we have to make a motion. Okay. >> Motion to amend resolution 2026-050.

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>> To say what? designating committees and representative city commissions and advisory boards to have theater sit on the parks and recck board. >> Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> All right. Motion on the floor. All in favor of that motion say I. >> I.

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>> Any opposed? Motion carries. 5-0. Thank you again, everybody. I think it's great to have three applicants. There's been times where we can't fill a seat. So, it's it's awesome to see that the community continues to want to get involved. Awesome. That resolution passes. Uh, next we will consider a resolution to

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consider awarding the bid for the Railroad Avenue and Main Street Walk improvement project. Jason, >> thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. So, um, this is the results from our project for the Railroad Avenue and Main Street improvement project that we went out for bids for. We received

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eight bids on April 15th. Um, North Valley, Inc. was the low uh responsible bidder on the base bid which was for Ma uh Railroad Avenue and then we had an alternate for that sidewalk along Main Street. And so the action I guess that

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we're looking for tonight is to figure out if we want to award the alternate with the Railroad Avenue full project and then we'll get those wheels moving. So, I don't know how we want to discuss

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the the sidewalk portion of the project. >> So, that was that I think that's the big one here. Um, so >> we have both in here. >> Yeah. Jason, have you had any discussions with uh the property owners there about the sidewalk or did you guys come up with a consensus or >> uh Stephanie was the more the contact on

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some of that interaction? Um, I did reach out to um Brian Boss from BJ Boss um who's here as well as Stacy Upton and we discussed the um quote that BJ Boss provided. Um I know they're both here to

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speak on what they would like to see from their parcels after they've reviewed both quotes um for the assessments and I think that's where we should go from there after you talk to them, I guess. Okay. So, we'll just welcome them up, I

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suppose. And if either of you wants to come first, you're welcome to come forward and or together is fine, too. However you would like to do it, just come on up and state your names and address for the record, please. >> Just to uh just to summarize our bids. Sure. Um the low bidder was uh about 6%

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below our estimated uh bid from our our engineers estimate. So all those assessments on that Railroad Avenue project would be looking at about a 6% reduction on their assessment just based on the bids and it'll still be based on actual construction but but the bid came

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in under. And then for this alternate for the sidewalk um the engineers estimate was at 48,600. Um the low bidder was at 40,100 which is 34% below the numbers that we originally talked about in the feasibility report

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for the the walk piece. >> Anyway, sorry. >> No, that's fine. It was 40,100 for >> the whole stretch. >> Okay. So, and on that, so you know, there's a little bit of that overhead of engineering and testing and whatnot

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because it would be state >> but that breaks down to um your assessment would be 23,400 and PJ Boss portion would be 24,75. >> Well, I just have to say, you know,

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great job, Jason. We've done a lot to try and make Iani more competitive and soliciting bids and to see it's 60,000 under budget is is great. Um, and hopefully that means that this saves them money too. I don't know what you guys had cooking for I know we you had had some possible alternatives for doing

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a sidewalk yourself or or what did you guys >> We were both kind of looking to just do it on our own. >> Sure. Can you state your names and address for the record, please? Yeah. >> Stacy. Um, right now I'm at 303 Credit Union Drive. >> Okay. I'm Brian Boss, DJ Boss, 380 South

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Garfield Street in Cambridge. And uh the reason I had sort of asked for a pause on the assessment is that we have a project planned on our parcel and uh that's expected to commence midsummer. And rather than try to coordinate the

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city project with our project, uh I'm more than happy to install city sidewalk as per city requirements um so that we can control the the coordination and the schedule a bit more. Um, I don't

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know an exact start date with our project yet, but I'd be willing to commit to a time frame that says I have 15 months to install that sidewalk at my own cost

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just so that you feel good about me not receiving the assessment, but still committing to doing the work. Um, I can't speak for Stacy on that, but there may be some benefit to having our work go together, but that's up to Stacy as

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to how she wants to move forward. >> And our plan, I mean, you guys know we're not planning on building quite as soon as Brian is. Um, if it does need to be continued all at once, we're okay with that going in kind of on the same

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timeline as what Brian has. Um, anybody in construction knows it's kind of a pain in the butt to put a sidewalk in and then go in and tear everything up. You're going to have trucks that are running. You're going to have equipment that's going to be running. Probably safer for people to walk in

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road versus next to equipment that's running. Um so I would like also to maybe just get rid of the main street portion on our two parcels, keep the railroad portion

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for those guys and just let the our kind of cup of tea to take care of and we'll get it done. >> And just to be clear, you're both requesting that you'll pay for it on your own. Neither one of you are asking for an assessment. >> Yeah.

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>> With that. Okay. Thank you. >> I got I have no problem with that. >> I don't either. >> And I and I you know, Stacy probably talked to Brian. Maybe Brian could do it at that time, help you out with it. I understand that. I mean, Brian's going to be pouring a lot of cement, so the cement's going to come a lot cheaper at

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that time than it is just by doing that. You know, they go by loads. They don't, you know, it's not going to be a Saturday afternoon 2 yard short load. You know, I mean, that's that gets pretty pretty expensive. So, it's I have

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no problem with that. And so as far as I'm concerned, we'll just go back to the original quote for Railroad Avenue. We can discuss the alternate further, but I say we reward the

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Railroad Avenue to uh Valley North and uh then I guess we'll have that discussion on the other one. That's more than what Jason's looking for at this moment. Anyway, >> well, my concern on the alternate sidewalk would be that if for some reason they you couldn't get it in in 15

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months and the city had to go ahead and do it, it's probably going to cost a lot more than the $40,000 that we're going to be able to get it done now because they're going to do it along with this other project they have going. So, um that's that's my only concern. And I I have concerns because we have

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significant development coming over there and right now there's people walking on the street all day every day because of you know you have Dairy Queen, you have the clinic there, a lot of the clinic walkers walk there and this has been a a major point for me for the last 3 years and we were able to

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figure out how to do it this way and I think it makes sense. Um so I I personally think it needs to be done now. I understand that you guys might not want it to be done now but I think for public safety I think it's important to get it done. Um, but I'm just one vote up here. Everybody has their own vote.

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>> I'm okay with the 15 months with the realization that we'd have to go out to bed and and maybe not quite 15 months because I would like to see it done next summer if it actually ran into next summer. So, I would like it done before the summer is over. So, we're not going through next summer and then the winter.

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And it's actually a couple years from now before it gets done. Um, >> so if you could back that off a couple, what what would 15 months bring us into? >> It's July 21st, 2027. >> Would we have enough time at that point

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to go out to bid and get that sidewalk in before the end of the year? >> That would be two more summers without a sidewalk. >> Well, that's that's what I'm trying to prevent a little bit. >> So, if we want to go to 13 months, that's fine. I didn't want to go 12 and we have a long winter. That

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>> Right. Fair. I get it. >> But you're really hoping to get it done this summer. >> Absolutely. And I'm willing to take it on myself if it doesn't. I I just >> Okay. >> I think it'd be silly to put in a sidewalk and then we're come in with

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heavy equipment, tear parts of it up. >> I'm going to end up spending money on section of that to put in utilities, put in approaches, and so it's just we're putting good money to bad here. Whether it's the cities or doesn't matter. It's a waste.

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>> Sure. >> Yeah. I'm I'm 13 months definitely. I'm I'm I'm a yes vote. >> You're a yes vote. >> He is 100% correct on that. It's you you go lay a sidewalk and all of a sudden

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now you're tearing out 16 20 ft of it. You can't just take out 8 ft because the ground's going like this. So he's got to go wider. Trucks driving over it. It'll crack that sidewalk all up to smitherreens. I I I understand where you're coming from, Luke, but I think

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logistically for them it's going to be more productive to have a one piece sidewalk all done right. Brian has all the equipment to do all this. He's this is what he's been doing for years and I mean he travels all over the United

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States, you know. Um, so I've known I know Brian and I know his work very well. So it's uh I think it's just it wouldn't make much sense to have them. And I I absolutely love the idea that we're we can save you

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an assessment and save you money and work with you and and as long as it's within, you know, city specs, I'm I'm more than happy to be able to give you my vote on this. >> Just a thought too for you guys, the um

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along Winter Greens going along with like the north and the west um sidewalks in the city. There's a sidewalk that ends right there that can also connect up to Family Dollar if you're worried about a continuous loop to get people to the clinic to McDonald's.

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>> There's a lot of sidewalk infills. We >> Yeah, >> it is. But I mean, it's not just our two stretches. >> No, I know. And it's and there's and there's some that our hands are tied on. You know, Whiskey Road is 16 years that I've been up here, I've been fighting for that sidewalk. >> And we started working on this before

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you had bought the property. So we were we didn't know that there was going to be movement on it. So it made sense. But then it's like oh as soon as we have a we find out oh some way to do it and then all of a sudden it's like oh >> so >> no I mean I'm good with the 13 months and

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>> so I can coordinate things and get it done in the future building a little faster. >> Sure. >> Who knows? >> Okay. Nick, did you have anything? Or Erica? >> Oh, just thank you for bringing it up

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and >> I I want to try and do things in an efficient way and you're trying to do the same thing. So, thank you. >> Yeah, I think it's I think it makes sense. >> The city wants me or something that >> Great. >> Thank you. Yeah, we will have you work

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with Stephanie and she'll have some kind of agreement that'll come back through council um that she'll need your signature on. >> Sounds good. I appreciate it. Thank you for your guys' time on this and thanks for coming in and communicating. >> Yep. So, we're going to need we'll need a motion. Uh did you make a motion on

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>> I made a motion to go along with Valley North for the Railroad Avenue project taking the >> option alteration for Main Street. >> Second >> motion by Lundine, second by Peterson. All in favor of that motion say I.

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>> I. Any opposed? >> Motion carries 5-0. I did have a question Jason. Have we worked with North Valley, Inc. before? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, we actually have done our um Main Street and um Sandy Hills. >> Okay. >> And just to be clear, that motion was to

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accept the North Valley quote and not accept the alternate. >> Correct. And then I was just going to I was just going to turn and say I'm going to make a motion that we give them their 13 months to do the sidewalk on their own with no assessment. >> Okay.

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>> So, there's a motion. Yeah, we'll do it separately and then we won't have to bring it back if they sign what she drafts. >> Sounds good. Okay, there's a motion by >> motion by London, second by Zadon. All in favor of that say I. >> I. Any opposed? >> Motion carries 50. And I did have another follow-up question. You said

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they had done Hills. There were some issues with Sani Hills. Can we make sure that that doesn't happen with this one? >> We will certainly try. Um those items are on the punch list and they have already communicated with us that they're planning to come in and and fix

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that um kind of poor pavement and a few other a few other things that were on that project. >> Sounds good. Yeah, that was a question. Is the checklist gone over yet? And when would so when will the when do they have a plan on that or would that come like for final approval through council or would you just sign off on it when

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they're done with the checklist or >> Yeah, usually it would just be they do the punch list that we've created and then once it's done um we would have them process final payment uh get us all their closeout documents and then we'd be bringing you know that final payment

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that would bring it into the warranty period you know for you guys to approve. move the final payment at that time. >> Gotcha. Have you heard any more from that the resident on Dogwood about the curb? >> I have not. >> Okay. I'll reach back out to her and see

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if they've come up with the creative solution. I'm I'm sure you remember like the crooked seam. >> Mhm. >> Okay. All right. That sounds good. Uh we will move on to item K4, resolution to consider accepting a proposal for the PD roof EPDM repair.

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Good evening, council and mayor. Um staff has received proposals uh for the PD roof EPDM repair project um uh which has a 20-year no dollar limit warranty to ensure the roof has no leaks

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for 20 years. Attaches all your all the proposals. >> Sounds good. So, we had talked about the windows potentially being a leak point and it found we found out that they were. So, are the windows being repaired

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and so that section of roof is probably okay or have we had enough time to determine if that section of roof over that offices is okay and the windows were just a leaking issue. >> Well, the roof had multi other areas that were leaking other than the windows. >> Sure. >> So, that was leaking in the middle of

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the building, too. >> Sure. In the garage area. garage area and in their conference room area. >> Ah, okay. >> So, the windows have leaks, too, which we repaired two of them this winter. >> Yep. >> And then, uh, we're going to do a test

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run on those repairs to see if that fixes it. And then we public works did the repairs so we can continue to repair the windows. >> Thank you for that public works employee doing that. It seemed like that was pretty good timing, too. So, okay. >> So,

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you probably talked to most of these contractors on this roof. >> Yeah. >> What do you feel comfortable with and what are they following all the specs on it, you know? >> Yeah. So, I went I had a spec built and then I had to go through and verify that

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they all met the spec. Uh, some of them weren't clear, but after I talked to all of them, they all meet what we asked for except for the sum, we asked for five years of service doing roofs. So, some of them don't meet that. Otherwise, they

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all have the 20-y year no dollar warranty. Uh, it would just be the years of service. It's the same. >> So, I know like Lion Hart, they've only been around for about three years. >> I don't know. I know one person on here, MD Hydride.

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I know that he did a lot of research for us on the BMX building and he never got awarded the contract which he did a lot of the specs drawing for it and he got nothing in his time for it. So, >> it's a big difference though in the

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price. >> I But there's a big difference. But I'm going to tell you what, $81,000 in five years they're gone or they don't give a crap if they're going to fix it. 80 that difference between that and that that $81,000 was money thrown out the window. I just I'm just saying always the lowest

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bidder isn't always the best. >> Are you talking? Did you say? >> Huh? >> E-uff? >> No. MD Hydro >> talking about with a 30-year warranty. >> Number six. >> No, those are years in business. Years in business. They're all a 20-year

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warranty. All of them. >> That's years in business on the right hand column. >> Oh jeez. Yep. Yep. >> I just I just know him personally. I know what kind of work he does. So it I'm like I said, I'm one of five up here. Yeah. >> But I don't I don't always necessarily

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agree with low bids being the best bid. >> That one's 40% higher than the other one, though. You know, you could almost you could replace half the roof for the difference. And it's they're using the same material, same standard. It's like doing an engineered street. You're going to get should get the same product, you know.

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>> You decide. >> I'm good with the MLB Beasley. They've been around for 10 years. They have the best price by quite a bit. Does it make you nervous that they're so much lower? >> Yeah, that makes me nervous. >> I'm not saying that they're not great,

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but sometimes you get what you pay for. I I don't know. I don't know anything about it. >> Jason or Josh, do you have any input on that? I mean, it's a spec roof. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Without seeing the, you know, what the the contracts were, what the

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specifications were, you know, I don't know how covered it is that they'll have to deliver the exact same end result. Whether it's more of a process or not, you know, I don't know. Um, usually we have to do the competitive bid because the dollar amount's a little bit higher

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and then we're stuck going with the lowest responsible bidder in that we can't find a valid reason to not award. Uh, in this case, because the estimate apparently was less than 175,000, you're at least not stuck with that

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requirement. But, you know, I guess I've just gotten so used to it. As far as I can tell, they all say they're going to do what we're asking for. And I verified the 20-year warranty and the years of

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service. I know Haiders Haidersfield is that >> Haidershide. >> Haidershide. They did the the scope and all that. So, they know exactly what they wanted and and what they thought we should put on the roof.

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But as far as I can tell, I think it's the same material. >> Just bear in mind there was >> they were paid for. We did consult with them to write just so you all know. >> But just remember there was that home

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renovation contractor. They were in the state for 50 years. They locked stock and locked barrel shut the doors and they left people >> with any of these. >> I know that. But I also know, like I said, I know him personally. So, but I

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understand you're looking at this, but I'm also looking at I know what's going to happen. I just I just see that, you know, you you want to look at it, even go from beyond that. You take off them for 10 years, you go to somebody that's been

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around for 20, 25, 30, 20 years. That's double what that person's been around. So that tells you they're not out leaving you high and dry. >> I'm okay with the number one bid. I mean, most companies that make it past that fiveyear mark, that's that's where

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the mark is where you're going to make it or break it. And they've been around for 10 years. I think I'm okay with it. >> Make a motion. >> Nick, what do you think? >> I don't know a lot about roofing, but I

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don't know any of these roofing company names. Um, it's a big range. I mean, from the lowest to the top is almost 3x. And you can spec out the material, but I mean like all the the adhesives for where you're making seams and all that. Was

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that all speced out, too? Like, are they all doing the same processes at any kind of joints and seams or is that their discretion? >> That's where I say I'm not a roofer either. So that's I had them build a scope and as far as I can tell they're following it, but I don't know if

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they're going to use the same brand adhesive or not. >> Was it very thorough scope or was it pretty open or >> It was a pretty good scope. >> Yeah, I was told there was a contractor that does roofing that looked at it and he said it was so thorough that he didn't want to put in a bid. So he didn't put in a bid.

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>> It was very specific, very >> and he told me he has never heard of a single one of these companies and he's been in business for 20 years. So, I don't know where all these companies came from. >> Are they local?

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>> Having had my roof done 5 years ago and still not having final payment because they haven't ver verified proof of inspection and it was after the city had changed over from the building official to the consulting firm.

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I mean, I I'm just very gunshy about all this roofing stuff because I had water ingress into my house 11 times after they did the re-roofing and trying to get someone out. There was times I had pouring water coming for a week or two before they'd actually show up and claim it was fixed and then a week later

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water's coming back in again. So, I mean, a 3x spreading across this is I don't know. This is all very terrifying. >> So, what other options do we have? Is there any >> which ones are local, Josh? like that would matter

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>> or is there any way we can spend more time to look at these to make sure that we make the right long-term choice >> verify who is local like I said my main contact was >> Haidider Haidider >> side yeah >> he lives he lives over by Stark

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>> Is there a pressing need to uh approve this tonight or could we look at maybe the bid requirements before we make our decision on something like this or or Could we get another I don't know if we can get another opinion. Maybe the building inspector could look at the what we sent them and what they sent

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back. I don't know if there's a fee with that, but I I I would personally I would feel some comfort knowing that the building inspector looked at it and said, "Yeah, they're all the same or something like that." >> We we would be able to do that under our contract just at an hourly rate. I'm sure.

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>> Can we see the scope? >> Yeah. It was so thorough that it turned people off from bidding. So, that's a pretty good sign. I feel like Josie, did you hear you must have heard complaints about that, too? >> Well, I didn't hear any complaints, but I saw it and I thought it was thorough. Josh and I had looked it over before we sent it out to that list.

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>> Could also take it the other way, too, though, because if someone knows and the scope is kind of wonky, then they're not wanting to go against a process that they know is might be a better one than what was initially scoped out, but they don't want to commit to that process. I think most of these warranties are a a

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manufacturer warranty that's bought. >> Sure. >> So there's like a certificate you get with them. >> It's not from the installer, it's from the the manufacturer of the materials. >> I think a lot of them Yeah. were that way. >> So does that mean even if the contractor wasn't around that the manufacturer of

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the product would be the one who would still hold the warranty so we could have any of their supplied or approved installers fix it with the manufacturer warranty? >> Yes. how some of them so I think all the 20 years are bought. Now I didn't I can

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go more in detail but I didn't think we were going to get this in depth but some of the companies are going to cover it for so many years through them which is a lot easier than dealing with the manufacturer warranty. >> I didn't put that on the the scope

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really only asked for the 20-year no dollar limit. But the point is, if they all have the 20-y year and some of it's through the manufacturer, at least there's always going to be a means as long as the manufacturer is still around, then there would still be the manufacturer warranty to go through. >> Does the manufacturer have to certify

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the installer for it to be worth? >> Yeah. And these installers to get the warranty, they would have to be certified to buy it. They have to be able to buy it. Buying it and they're giving us a certificate. >> That means they're trained to do it. >> Yeah. So, from what I can tell, all these match what we're asking for and

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they're coming with the 20 year not >> and we do have to point out I don't for timing wise um and we do have them pulled up so we can mo I mean there's some two of them other ones are from Ham Lake. They're Minnesota companies um on their proposals or quotes um but most of

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them are saying 30 days which is pretty typical that we are out of time for our next council meeting >> like a price guarantee you mean? >> Yes. Yeah. >> So, MLB is from Minneapolis and they do have an A+ rating on the Better Business Bureau.

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>> Okay, >> I'm good with it. >> They only have two reviews on Facebook. >> Nick, >> I'll make a motion to give the bid to ML option one if I can. I have the motion on the floor

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to approve MLBasley Roofing, Inc. Is there a second? >> I guess I'll second it. We'll see what the vote is. All in favor of that say I. I. >> Any opposed? What? >> So, was everybody was that a Are you in

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FA? >> I'm undecided. >> Yeah, I just I had to pause. >> More discussion. More discussion then. I guess I really am nervous. Like, >> did the motion fail then? >> Motion fails because it was only a two to zero to three vote. Three obstained.

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>> All right. Further discussion. >> What? Yeah. What's the problem? Okay. So, they've been in business 10 years. They have an A+ rating on the AAA. They giving us a 20-year warranty. We found out that actually after let's say they go out of business in 5 years, we may be

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able to go through the warranty for the materials that they manufacture manufacturer warranty. >> So I don't see where the problem was. Are you guys worried about subpar type insulation or subpar work or >> Yes.

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>> Yeah. >> Just because the bid was $9,000 lower than the next one. Not just says the next, it's that like you've got >> Yeah. Like why is someone >> I'll tell you I'll tell you why. Because people hear, "Oh, it's a government job. We're going to price gouge." >> It's not always that.

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>> It's not always, but that's got to be those ones. >> Is is just like Nick said, you could hire somebody cheaper and you have problems and you're not getting them back to fix it. Rusco Industries was a prime example that they took hundreds of

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thousands of dollars from people, locked their door, walked away. They're being sued massively right now and they've been around for a long time. >> Yes. >> So, but but my point is you can buy a tire for your truck, your

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work truck for $300, but it's cheap, but they normally are $600 700. Do I buy the cheap tire and then sit on the highway for 5 hours waiting for somebody to come and fix me because that tire didn't do what it was supposed to do? That is the point that

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I'm making. Because it was cheap doesn't necessarily mean it's the best option, >> right? But we don't know if that's the reason it's cheap. It could be that this company seen this job come up and they had something planned for the dates that we're going to do this and all of a

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sudden that fell through for them. I will tell you right now, I'm going to tell you right now guys, 90% of construction companies right now are buying jobs. They're buying them >> because >> they need work. >> No.

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>> So that's maybe why the price is good. >> It may be good, but do you think you're going to get what they should do? >> Don't throw away the chicken because the egg wasn't this egg wasn't good. I'm just telling you that >> I'm just not going to work on hypotheticals until we have hard facts

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in front of us. I mean, >> the this I'm gonna I'm gonna rate this company just as good as the rest of them. >> You're totally entitled to your opinion, George, but I'm trying to point something out to you, right? >> Because something is cheaper does not

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mean it's going to last you. >> But they have certain specs that we require them to have to do this roof. And if we wanted something better, then we would have increased our specs. So everybody was in bidding on the same field. They all knew exactly what they

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had to do to get the bid >> with the same manufactur warranty. >> Say with my, like I said, my roof was done in 2021. Still ongoing. Been with investigation with the Minnesota Department of Labor for the last year. Um, you can have them in materials, but

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craftsmanship is not the same across the board. But how can you guarantee that the who's going to be the best craftsman? You can't hypothetical >> if you know like if they have a reputation or whatever that can tell you something because like you can have very cheap labor, very cheap skill and have

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good material go to waste and yeah they'll guarantee it but how many times are they going to come out and how many times is water going to leak in and cause some kind of problem and you're chasing that and how long is the response time going to be to actually do the warranty? Are they going to be there within a few days or you going to be waiting for two weeks plus? like is it

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going to end up leaking water into the uh evidence locker area and cause some problem with that? >> There's no way to know that with any of these >> there. There isn't. But like if you if it's just purely off of price, like sometimes you get what you're paying for and other times it's completely

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imaginary. But experienced labor is not cheap. >> Is there a motion? >> I'm not I'm not making a motion. >> Okay. I just like I said there's not enough data here for me to make I don't feel I can make an educated choice off of >> I do just I do agree with Josie we have

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third we we don't have 30 days to so we better solve this now because they will pull those bids and they are going to increase because I'm going to tell you right now I used to get I used to get material update costs increases maybe two a year

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I'm getting one a month now >> you only about four seasons is that you ever running with them. They said 25 years of what they've got in the business. No experience there. Steve,

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I I'm going to abstain from this because I know the one gentleman personally. I will abstain from that. Josh, is there anything any other information or did you get a feel for these companies or do you remember any of them specifically that seemed great

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or not great or? >> As far as I could tell, uh mainly the companies that didn't have the five years of service um don't meet our specs. >> I think they're out. I think they're out.

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>> Yeah. But other than that, I looked at all these that I could tell and it seems like it's the same thing. They all have the 20-year warranty that bought some of them. I don't ever remember how

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many years they cover it on their own before you go to the 20-year warranty. Seemed like they all did that a little bit. Do you remember what the estimate was when this first was brought up for what it was going to be for a flat roof? >> We we it was the same thing then. It was

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like we were from 80 something to >> 200 and something. So it was a huge gap. >> Yeah. That in the same kind of thing we got now. >> But the pitch roof was like half a million or something. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That was more.

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So just the small Googling that I've done, I think I'd be more comfortable with the Four Seasons roofing. They have a few more years experience, but also just their website. The first thing that they focus on is their commercial roofing versus residential. Like that's

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the first bullet and then residential. And you flip it with the MLBY. They um they lean more residential. It seems by their pictures, by their advertising what they have and then commercial comes towards the bottom. The only insight I I wasn't involved in

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this process. I was involved in the first process when four seasons came out and when I talked to him I don't talk to anybody else. So just prefacing that I know he said he did I think it was Moa or Bram. They just did one of their roofs there and we were doing other

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municipal building roofs city mentioned as well. But I didn't talk to anybody else. Everybody else could have done the same thing too. So, in in if we were to make this decision in two weeks, are we past the 30-day window in two weeks? Yes. Okay.

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>> Can pull up. I mean, I'm generalizing because some say that I didn't look at every single one of them. Josh, did you look at every single one of them to look at that? >> I would say the first two on the list. >> Well, we'll have Jaden pull them up right now then. >> Okay. Do we want to move on to a different item and come back to this one or just wait?

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>> Yeah, I'm not budging from the lowest bid. It doesn't make sense. I've never seen this console ever not take the lowest bid. This company's been around 10 years. They have an A+ rating. I I don't I don't see why we don't have faith in them.

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>> I don't quite understand either, but it's good to ask the questions. >> I mean, >> yeah, if we could table this until um we'll come back and that'll give some time to pull them up. >> Sounds good. All right, we will move on to item K5 then. Isi County Health and

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Human Services POD site request. Okay. So, as part of their emergency planning, uh the Health and Human Services Division of Ici County um establishes um point of dispensing sites within the community. Um some of their

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current sites include Sandy Fairgrounds, Grace Point, the Government Center, and some local schools and churches. Uh they were requesting that the Icandi community center be listed as one of these sites should it ever be needed. Uh theou would be for five years. Uh she

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did um let me know that if we had for example an event in there already scheduled um we would be able to say no if they did come asking to put it there. This just would be a formal agreement that we could use it should it be available. >> Okay. You know I would I would like to

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make it the stipulation that you know the city being re reimbured at the same scale that everyone else pays. So, say if they need it for a day or they need to do a rental, I think they should pay what everybody else pays or at least what the nonprofit pays just because then it's apples to apples for everybody. It's not preferential

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treatment to anybody. That's my opinion on this one. What did you guys think about this? So basically they >> got knocked offline point of dispensing what >> so I think

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>> medications vaccines other medical countermeasures >> yes it's for emergency preparedness plans that they establish these sites if needed um I think the most recent and only one I can think of maybe Travis knows >> I mean generically I mean without taking

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co is co but same concept or if there was a there was a declared emergency statewide, there was a declared emergency countywide, there was a declared emergency citywide. I know >> and there was a dispensary factor there. Um, so that was the only time that's probably ever been used in the county's

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history was when they were dispensing COVID vaccinations as a countywide public health. >> It could be water though, like if there was some kind of emergency, >> but it would it would be declaration of emergency stuff, right? So, it's not just going to be on Tuesdays, we're

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giving out free bike helmets. So, it's going to be and and it's part of their emergency management plan. They have to have these locations planned and I could say pretty confidently that's happened once in the history of the county that was during the co shots.

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>> Do you know the arrangements with the other facilities? Do they have like a like a reimbursement type thing on something like that or is it just a donation? Yeah, just an application because it's it's an emergency event. It's not a >> it's not something it's for an emergency event. >> Okay, >> that makes sense.

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>> And for our I mean why they try to spread it across the county is to give it for the people living in that area. >> And I would say from emergency preparedness having that location, whatever that might be, right? We could say we don't know what it could be would be of benefit to our community, right? Because we don't need to have them

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travel somewhere else. They could get whatever that is in the dispensary in their own community. Sir, >> it's a little confusing what was written in here. >> So, all in a nutshell, it's just for an emergency situation. It's not once a month type of thing. And the way I understood it is >> and there's a benefit to this our

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community to have one here. >> A motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion to approve by myself, second by Lundine. All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? >> I opposed. >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh motion carries 41.

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Uh next we will move on to Okay, so this one, K6, Railroad Avenue sewer discussion. This is an interesting one. Um, so I guess I can just maybe start this off unless you want to, Jason. Okay, so this has been a problem for this homeowner uh since the city

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made modifications to her yard for storm sewer, uh, water drainage, and I think there's a drainage pond out there. Uh there used to be uh basically a little I wouldn't say a forest, but a group of trees um that were there and those were all removed so that the city could put in a storm

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sewer. I think it was 2016 or 2015. Um and after that time uh they made one change. I believe they put the uh what do you call that? The access point >> cleanout. I I believe they put the cleanout in at that time for her sewer. Correct. Um and and right after they did

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that and made these changes, she started having sewer issues uh with her sewer freezing up in the winter. Um now I think it's probably a culmination of a couple things. The the trees were there were probably keeping the frost from traveling maybe. I don't know. Or maybe the cleanout is allowing cold air in. Um

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but basically she is having an issue with um backups and the backup is now coming out the cleanout and contaminating um parts of our storm sewer. Uh, am I explaining this correctly, Jason? >> Yeah. >> Yep. And now that we're working on this

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project, um, I was hoping that we could come up with some sort of creative solution to help fix this issue. Um, and Jason did some more digging into it and it turns out that, uh, she's only tapped in what was it, four and a half, four to four and a half ft deep when it should have been deeper in the first place.

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Maybe you take it over from there. >> Yeah. So, so, uh, so when we dug in that pond, uh, you know, that resident was thinking that our pond excavation was causing her line to freeze. So, we didn't know where her line went. So, just uh, within the last month, we had

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it televised where they could follow the camera and figure out where that goes. And it turns out it isn't in our pond embankment. So, we didn't reduce cover over it. But it did turn out it's only four to four and a half ft deep and diagonally crossing our street uh

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through the Palomino and Railroad Avenue intersection and then it taps into our manhole in the opposite corner only 4 and 1/2 ft deep which is very shallow. Um and with that camera running through it, it went underwater for almost the

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entire run. So essentially there's a >> unknown size of SG in that line. and shallow so that water is sitting there and freezing. Um, also would have problems with, you know, if uh floatables are getting flushed down a

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toilet or grease would be able to float to the top of that water and clog up. Um, and so we found essentially a grease kind of clog and a long run of water in a pipe under our street. um didn't appear to have anything to do with that

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cleanout being added or the pond construction, but once that clog happens. The cleanout is the discharge point for it to back up out of as opposed to if we didn't put that in, it would have backed

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up possibly further until it was in her house. And so, it's kind of a pressure relief uh to prevent a problem in her basement. But the specific problem appears to be it's shallow and has a s

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over a 150 foot run of pipe that's been in since 2000. And so here we are. Um the concept was we were going to try and add it to the railroad avenue project as a just tap that service maybe a little different while

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we have the road rip up. Well, now that we found that it diagonally cuts across this intersection, we weren't doing work there. That is now not even in our footprint of our project. We were going to stop on the north side of that intersection. And so, we're kind of in a

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is this something we get involved with? Is it a private resident matter? Um, and is there anything that actually is useful to coordinate with this railroad project versus it's its own beast?

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>> Sure. >> So, this one and what I found the most interesting is I don't know who inspected this and you said it was the year 2000 that they hooked up. Do we have any record of do we have a building inspector then? Like who's responsible?

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Because anybody that inspects sewer knows in Minnesota you cannot have a sewer at 4t or 4 and 1/2 ft deep, especially under a road where the frost line's driven down into it. You know what I mean? So, who holds the responsibility there? Is it the homeowner or was it a city inspector,

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building inspector or not a building inspector, a an inspector that missed it? Or I know around 2000 there was significant issues with engineering and inspection because my street is right next to that and there were most of the sewer nobody knows where they hook up

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under the street even still today. So when we had a project with our sewer, our sewer collapsed in the middle of winter and the city told us that we had to heat the road and dig under it to find where we hook up because the engineer at that time didn't actually plot it right. So I'm wondering if something went on on the city side and I

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don't know if the homeowner should be responsible in this case. >> So I can't answer that. I guess that was before you know I have any idea who would have been directly involved in the installation part. But um the you know

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at that time that was a gravel road and you know that depth topic there are sanitary sewers that are 4 ft deep. Um they usually have more slope though so that >> it can flow the like warmer water that is flushed or whatever

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>> make it where it's going. >> Um and so this is a long run that's flat with trapped water which is the big problem. Now, we can't know, at least not the documents that we've seen, who put it in, and you know, did they try and hand trench this thing in when it

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was a gravel road at only four feet deep. Um, it just, it's a very strange thing that they only went that deep because the manhole they tapped into is more like 12 feet deep. And so, they just tapped into the top edge of the thing. And there's no apparent reason

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that they didn't just go deeper if possibly they just didn't have big enough equipment or I'm just >> unfortunately there is no way to no um staff Stephanie did pull the property report and we do have permits for that address. However, this specific um

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tapping into with their service line does not have a permit. So, we don't know who signed off. We have one document of where the drawing is of where they put the service line um that has uh five public work directors ago has his name on it. But we don't know if

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that's the person who inspected it, if it's engineering, if it was a building inspector. There's no way to know who did because or to even know frankly if they pulled a permit. >> Sure. And and to give one last piece of background, so usually we have sewer in

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the street in front of a house. Usually we have stubbed out a service to the rightway, you know, by our contractor, the city hired, city inspected, used our products. In this case, this property

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was on its own septic and we don't have sewer in front of its house. The sewer is running along the south side of Palamino and running west across under the railroad tracks. And once that main trunk went in is when they

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did this connection. So, they hired their own contractor to pick off their septic system and run it all the way over to us. That's why it's really long and it's why it's, you know, >> and that's that explains why that explains why it's 4 feet because it was

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a septic system. >> Well, at least where they would have picked it off, but yeah, the fact that they didn't gain grade, >> we don't know why. I mean, there's depth for the sanitary, but it was an after the fact and they would have had to have their contractor go all the way to our

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main as opposed to usually we have a main in front of a house and it stubs out. And so this one's very unique in that we didn't have our, you know, these construction projects that you have your engineer, the engineer that would have been involved 20 years ago, you know, those ones, we have the specs, we have

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the monitoring, we have the inspection, and it's under our city contract. This entire service wasn't under a city contract, so it would have been privately done. >> Okay. >> So, it's a little tougher. >> Yeah, it's kind of a gray area because I I would

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>> So, >> long story short, curb stops, water manes coming in. >> As far as I'm concerned, if that's leaking between my curb stop, my house before the meter, I could care less let it leak because I ain't paying for it, right? But every city from that curb

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stop to your home, you are responsible for. And if it's leaking, you have to repair it. I also look at it saying you have a city sewer in the street up to that curb stop should be the city's responsibility.

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But in this thing, God only knows who did it. They could have had, you know, Beter Sewer Service come in and just dig it in when it was a dirt road and nobody's going to care. 2000. I don't even know who was the inspector in 2000 here. I don't even

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remember. It's that's way back. Um, so, you know, that being said, this is a conundrum. >> But but if we have no record of it ever being inspected.

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So, who's to know? It wasn't done on a sat Saturday night, Sunday morning early before anybody was there. And like you said, I there isn't anybody in the city that's going to allow you to tap in to those risers on that manhole. There's no city that's going to allow you to do that, >> right?

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>> Did Did the homeowner live there during that time frame? >> No. >> No, she's lived there seven 16 or 17 years. And I know this >> you wouldn't have the records or the paperwork proving >> No, but what what I find interesting is

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that none of these sewer issues happened until the city made modifications to her yard and to her driveway and that whole area. So I don't know. >> Jason can speak to the cleanout and that's why we're he'll explain so all aware of why we're seeing the issue now.

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So >> yeah, let's hear that. >> So So this house is up a hill. I mean, yep. >> You know, I don't know, seven feet up a hill. >> Um, standard MPCA requirements on a long sewer service is

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you have to have a clean out every 100 ft if your sewer service is over 200 feet long. And so when we came across the service, we were at kind of that midway point. So when we had to put it kind of back together,

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putting a clean out there is following MPCA requirements. Now what I we believe is going on is that backup and clog is kind of always been there. You know, probably always by how we see this giant s and this is now been around for 10 of

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the 25 years it's in there. Um, and that backup is only needs to back up 4 ft before it can come out the cleanout. As opposed to when that cleanout wasn't there, it couldn't come out the cleanout because there wasn't a cleanout, but it would have just kept backing up and it

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was either not quite clogging enough and getting 7 feet ahead, getting closer and closer to the house, and then just getting enough out to not have backed into the house, not knowing if they've actually had sewer problems in their in their house. But right now, it's kind of

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like an emergency release that we created and that became a how we know it's a problem. And I believe it looks like it's always been the same problem. It's just now it's apparent because of this point that we can see it.

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>> Do you know if that's SND or is that schedule 40 on the ground? So by by the televising it the televisor thinks it might be ductal iron across under the street and then it switched to PVC near where

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>> ductal iron on the source. >> Yeah. I mean that's >> you got to be kidding me. >> Yeah. That now I'm going to tell you right now somebody hot podgeed that in. There was never any inspections on it. I I kind of agree with Jason that clean

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out now is acting as a a relief of which they never noticed it before. >> So there was a potential I mean I think we're going to have probably the property owner in here in two weeks. Hopefully we could talk more about this but I wanted to get it started. What sort of options or things could we

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potentially try? Because I she got a letter from the city saying that she was illegally discharging because her sewer backed up and it contaminated the ground around it or whatever. So she the city had to send a letter for elicited discharge. So we have to some come up with some sort of solution. The repair

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is $18,000 and >> Jason can explain the repair because >> what he's recommending for the permanent fix. >> Right. So from the televising what we see as the permanent fix is relay that 150 ft diagonally across under the

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street and tap into the manhole 2 feet lower. get that minimum standard design of over one and a half% on a pipe if not two and a half to get that flow to keep going. Eliminate the ability to have a say and you got to relay 150 ft which is

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all under street and curb and valley gutter and tap into a manhole. A lot of costly tasks. Um we just got our bids uh for the railroads. So, we had the bid numbers to use. Uh, and so that number of 18,000 is, you know, fairly close to

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what it actually would be if we had this contractor do it with our project. Um, but that would be highly likely the the cure all. It's going to have the slope and follow all MPCA rules and have slopes that it's

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supposed to. Um, obviously the cleanout is what be made it apparent that there was illicit discharges and a problem. If we were to eliminate the cleanout, now it's not going to elicit discharge into our pond or onto the ground. But now

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we've eliminated the pressure relief. And if that clog holds, it's going into our basement before we find out there's still a clog. >> Sure. >> And now we've caused >> uh you know, >> well, we haven't. >> Well, right. Well, >> but the the poorly laid sewer has

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>> a very key point. it's restored it back to what it was, but once it's flooded into a basement, there's a whole another conversation that's about to happen. >> Um, >> sure. >> Now, cleanouts are supposed to be watertight. So, it actually isn't supposed to be able to let things out.

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So, you know, whether we're looking at cutting the cleanout down and getting a watertight cap back on it if it doesn't currently, if that's why it's coming out, but we really aren't going to be resolving any problems if that's what we went with. Um now the te the the

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televisor also is a jet cleaning company. Uh he believed that if he was hired to uh jet the line you know and work at it that he thinks what clog is probably causing the backup he would be

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able to get out. I mean his guess by what he saw >> or yeah improve the situation but that's not improving a seal a line. Oh, that sagging line is just going to trap more toilet paper and waste, >> right? So, that clog is likely going to

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reoccur at however long it took the last time to reoccur. >> And so, you know, getting >> not a permanent fix, but it might get her by for a couple years, >> like a maintenance type deal, >> or she's going to have to keep doing it, >> right? >> And it is not unusual for sewers to be

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four feet. If you're driving on it, that's a that's a different story. But, >> and it's freezing under the road. Correct. >> Yeah. Frost is usually driven a little deeper out in the road. >> Because it's sagging water. >> Sure. >> If that's why it's freezing is because it's sagging.

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>> Sure. >> So, it's now it's trapping any sewer gas. >> Sewer gas is warm. You go by somebody's plumbing vent in their roof. You'll see it. You'll see it kind of lofting out. That's sewer gas. It's warm. That's why you can be shallower with a sewer than

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your water because water stay is staying in the line. That's when it freezes with that belly in the pipe, that water staying there, stopping the sewer gas from getting through and keeping that pipe warm. And that's why it's freezing. >> No, but if there if there's ductal on

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that iron on that drain line, somebody hodge podge this thing. If it was SND, that's going to s a lot worse than schedule 40 will. So, because that's a lot thinner wall. So, you know, speaking of that, it's it's if there's ductal in

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there, it's that ain't that ain't right. And there ain't any contractor I know of that would have done that. >> So, what should we do moving forward, Jason? Is there any are there any options that we could that we should try to see if she wants to incorporate in

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this project or is there anything that the city can do as that's simple during this project? Like, is it possible to insulate the I don't I don't know. Is there are there any solutions or potential things that we can try or run by this homeowner to try and address her issue and prevent the illicit discharges

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because we don't want that obviously but at some point something's got to be done with this >> right so I mean for us you know the involvement of we added that cleanout because it's MPCA you know requirement um could at least

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be a situation where we could at least modify that I recommend eliminating it because now we've eliminated the way to access the elbows and actually be able for her to clean it. >> Um, but if we were to cut that down and maybe insulate over that to just say

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we've made it watertight, we're going to prevent that from >> thermal break freezing point. >> Okay. Um, you know, from the city's perspective, that'd be the only involvement that I would see being something we could do with this contract

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to just try and do something. >> But I also wanted >> I also feel fear that if we do something else with that cleanout, now it's going to become the city's issue. >> Yeah. There have to be some sort of waiver on that. Yeah. because that once you touch that and alter it and all of a

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sudden she needs another problem. Now it's the city's issue and there then everybody's going to side with that. >> But somebody's we have to fix the issue. The issue has to be fixed somehow. Yep. Can you continue? >> So the other situation we have going is the valley gutter that's crossing

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Palmino just south of what our current scope of project is is pretty shot. Their sewer service is diagonally crossing under that. So, one of the costs that I put on that 18,000 is having to rip out a stretch of that

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valley gutter as well as the street and some curb on their side to be able to install this line on its own as its own whole big patch and curb repair like its own extra side cost. If we were to extend our project limits to the south

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side of the Palamino intersection, at least then we can improve our street, get our pat I'm very hand referencing. Um, if we extended our project scope to be just to the south side of the intersection instead of the north side, we can at

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least improve our street. We can replace that valley gutter that we want to replace because it's shot. >> It is. And then at least we could offer to be taking on that surface repair cost, which is over half of that cost number. And we'd at least

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get a benefit out of the street surface improvement as opposed to a diagonal patch cutting across the middle of an intersection uh to get that done. Um but I mean to get to that eliminating the SE option, it's really got to involve that

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intersection. >> Okay. And how how many extra feet is that if you were to guess? 70 80 feet maybe. >> Yeah, I mean I mean 80 to 100 maybe because I think from the cleanout to the manhole big long diagonal is 150 ft. So

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you know along the road it's probably say 90 ft. >> So how much more is that going to cost on that project to have that done as you're discussing? >> And when would that be up otherwise if we didn't do that section now? Is that up for replacement? in a couple year

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five years. >> So, right now, Railroad Avenue to the south from there, I believe, was built in 2012. So, right now, you know, our pavement

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maintenance program probably would have it at 2032. >> Okay. Um, so you know, the pavement itself isn't shot, but that valley gutter is >> absolutely is >> and we would actually want to go fix that.

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>> Um, and so we're down to, you know, just the square of the intersection, you know, kind of getting improved. And it does get a little more traffic from the Palomino to railroad intersection. So it probably is aging a little faster than everything south of it on road.

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>> Sure. Yep. So, um, yeah, I mean, I I'd have to look at our bid item numbers and figure out what it actually be. I mean, off the cuff numbers 40,000 bucks, but, >> you know, for the whole intersection to get done, >> bring that back in. >> I'd have to actually look at the that

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>> I think that's it would just extend the project. >> Okay. Can we um maybe bring that back in two weeks and then we can maybe you can have options like if the homeowner wants to fix her sewer the right way and the city decides to replace that bad section

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or failing section of curb and road at the same time, what would the cost be for her approximately? >> Um so then she has, you know, is it going to be a $9,000 project now or she could maybe make the choice to cap more cap the uh the clean out and then just try and maintain it

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herself every year or whatever. I know at at my parents house we have tree roots and we have to a yearly schedule to get it um >> to get it rooted out so the tree roots don't bust the pipe, you know. Um so that's kind of one of those things sometimes you just have to do that. So maybe that's what she'd prefer. But just

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to give her a couple options because this has been a 10-year issue for her and I've known about it for like 10 years because it's I think it's a pretty important issue. But uh yeah, maybe just do that in two weeks and uh we'll try and get her here and we can go over

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those options with prices and decide then. >> Did the homeowner express any inclination as far as what they're looking for direction wise? >> Well, I I didn't talk with her directly, but in the past when the topics come up the two or three other times that I've

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heard about it over the last sixish years, uh you know, they sound like they believe it's the city's problem to fix. anything else? >> It was never a problem till the city put the storm in as well. >> And she did have costs um associated

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with that. Apparently, there was infrastructure damaged when they do did that. I don't I don't I haven't gotten all the details, but I've heard about it and there's there's some details there that I think are important, but we got got to figure out a solution at the end of the day. you know, can't have elicit

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discharge, but we also can't, you know, require the homeowner to to m pave our whole street, you know. >> Is there any long-term concerns with the ductal stuff as far as its service life? Is that >> not really? um you know the uh the

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acidity and and whatever of the the gases of the sewer can kind of dissolve the the metal a little worse than a clay or PVC pipe. But you know it's a much more rigid thicker pipe. >> It's a lot thicker than cast iron. Cast

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iron usually 10 15 20 years cast iron's got to be replaced because it's rotted out. So duct >> ductal is still ductal is still porous but it's ductal is this thick versus

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>> 50 to 100 year or something like that or >> well ductal is used for water manes. >> Okay. >> So you think about it that but >> comes down how it >> but when you're going from PVC to ductal to PVC you're going to have roots are going to grow in between there. They're

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not meant they're not meant to be put together. That's like shoving a piece of steel conduit over a piece of 1 inch PVC and you got an inch and a half piece of steel conduit. They're not they don't seal. >> My last my last question would be does homeowners insurance come into play at

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all or any kind of protections from the with the mortgage? >> That would be to their her insurance company. >> I don't know. That's a good question. So maybe that's something that we should mention or ask as well. Maybe she can

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look into that in the next two weeks. >> Jason, you have good direction maybe. >> Yep. >> Just kind of look get some options and hopefully in two weeks we can come up with some sort of reasonable solution for the situation. >> At least the kind of cost breakdown topic and at least you'll be able to

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have a few more things to think about and if the resident's able to be here. >> Yep. Are you going to invite the resident mayor? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Sounds good. All right. We should go back to the other item. Which one was that again?

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The roof. Yes. >> Jaden, what did you find? So MLB Beasley in their um proposal does not share the 30 days and then the four seasons does have the 30-day threshold on their

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proposal. >> So MLB there's not a time constraint. Okay. And for season there is. So, if we wanted to spend two more weeks considering this, maybe research the companies and we could come back in two

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weeks at least the the low bid would still be there, but the the second one wouldn't potentially. They could come back and say, "Yeah, well, it's the same price." They could come back and say it's higher. They could come back and say it's lower. >> I am looking at Beasley's uh quote. They have a 10-year finish

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warranty and then they also have the 20-year Carile products no dollar limit labor and material warranty. >> And how about the four seasons one? >> Should have just put all these proposals

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in there for you guys. for for four seasons. They are having or they have a 20-year mealhide manufacturer warranty. >> So, Beasley has a 10-year warranty from them with the 20-year manufacturer warranty.

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The other one only has the 20-year manufacturer warranty. >> Number two. Okay. >> So, to me, it sounds like the the lowest one has a better warranty. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what I see on theirs, too.

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It doesn't say anything about their warranty. >> I'd rather see option one. >> Yeah, I'm I'm for number one. Um especially since they seem to have a better warranty. >> Fine.

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Fine. I'll do MLB Beasley so we can stop talking about it. >> Well, it's hard to You never know. This is we're playing devil's advocate on every single one. You could have the most expensive one and still have failure. You know, it's you don't know. >> It's as far as I can tell with their quote, everything looks good and they

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have a good warranty. So, that's Yeah, >> I mean, I'm not your guys' choice, but from what I see, it looks the same. >> I'll make another motion to uh accept ML Beasley roofing number one.

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>> Second. Motion by Heman, second by Peterson. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> Abstain. >> Motion carries. 40 with one abstain. All right, we will move on to consent agenda. Thank you guys. Uh I did have a

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a question on L2 if that's okay. Um so that those repairs come out of the the water fund, I assume, on the Mox tank. >> Correct. >> An L1 or L2? >> Uh L2. >> Okay. Yeah. And then um you know I've heard some complaints and I had them

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myself about the chlorine taste in the water, right? And I've always like thought our our chlorine generation process is awesome. We we gen we make our own chlorine and save save money on the treatment, right? Um have we ever noticed if there's a difference between

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the chlorine that we use or that we make versus when we just buy the chlorine and and treat it with the the the manufacturer chlorine versus what we make in house. I know it's it's kind of interesting because the way it works is with the chlorine, if there's not enough

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in there, you're more likely to smell it. So, if you can smell it, you actually add more, which is the strangest thing. You guys are both engineer or, you know, kind of engineers, so you're shaking your heads. Yes. And it's the strangest thing. But is it possible at all that our Mayach system has more taste, chlorine taste to it than just the regular manufactured

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chlorine? >> Let me ask you a question before you go to that. Is it chloromide or is it chlorine? >> Chloromine. >> Okay. >> I will tell you I cannot I cannot test for the difference between chlorine or chloromide.

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Carbon filters remove both. Sure. A true carbon filter.