Ladies and gentlemen, I have 532. Let's get started. I'd like to call this meeting of the local planning agency for the village of Alamada to order. Today is January uh 12th, 2028. Uh could we have an call
roll call, please? Ma'am, >> Roger Young >> here. James Ryan >> here. >> Cory McGra Ael >> here. >> Tony Hammond >> here. >> Lori Lelon here. Cheryl Culverson >> here.
>> And excused we have Greg Dully. We have a quorum. >> Thank you. >> Okay. First thing on the agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance. And I'm going to ask Jim Ryan if he would I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Do we have any additions or deletions
from anybody on the committee? Miss Ael, anybody else? Okay. I have one request to ask and that would be we have uh one tied together hearing which is on the ordinance the first one and the farm
and then the second ordinance um which looks like it might be a shorter event. I thought it might be better to take the shorter piece of work to get it out of the way first. Does anybody mind doing tab C first and then go and do an AB because it looks like it have might have a little bit more discussion on that
tab. I'd like to get the shorter one out of the way if that's okay with everybody. Hearing no objection. That's how we'll go. Okay. Could I have a motion on the minutes since everybody's had a chance to read them? >> Move to approve. >> Okay. First, second. Okay. May I have a
vote, please? Everybody approve. >> Everybody indicate by saying I. >> I. I. Seeing all in favor, we will move on. Thank you. Like to recognize that Councilman Mr. Freriedman is with us today. Thank you for joining us. >> Give me one second. Who is the secondary on the minutes? >> Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Hammond.
>> Okay. >> Either or. >> It was sort of simultaneous. Okay. Minutes have been approved. All right. The one thing I would like to do is public comment at this time and the only thing that I would like to bring up is
that recently we lost one of our council people. It was Dave Purdau. Um and I want to compliment uh offer my condolences to his family. But Mr. Baux was very active in helping us get the affordable housing that we have in the community. He helped tremendously with both the wetnet and to get established
with Wit's Corner. And I think that that's the one thing if Dave leaves something, it's his legacy to the community. Anyway, and if we could have a moment of silence for that, I would appreciate it. Thank you everyone. Okay, we've done that. So, let's get on to tab
C if we could please. And if you would mind please ma'am reading what we have. >> Absolutely. An ordinance of Island Marada, Village of Islands, Florida, amending chapter 30, quote, land development regulations, end quote, article 5, quote, schedule of district
use and development standards, end quote, division 2, quote, zoning districts, end quote, section 30-701, excuse me, 30-701 of the village code, providing for severability, providing for inclusion in the code, providing for the transmitt of
this ordinance to the state department of commerce, and providing for an effective date upon the approval of this ordinance by the state department of commerce. >> Thank you LPA. Um so this uh request is to amend uh this section of the code uh which is the public service semi-public
uh zoning district to allow for the inclusion um of workforce affordable housing as a permitted use within that zoning district. Uh the planning department has been approached by Habitat for Humanity as well as um Island Christian Church um for the
possibility of putting uh affordable housing on property that uh the church owns where they just recently built their new church. And then uh Habitat has purchased church uh church land from Coral Isles Church up in um by the high school, Coral Coral Shores High School.
and they've been looking to build some affordable homes in that area for a while now and looking for the best way to do that. And so this is a way to help accommodate that for them. So, uh, we're just looking for you guys to make this recommendation so we can move forward to
the council and I'm here to answer any questions you may have and I'm sure that Mr. Hammond can help as well. So, >> I'm surprised because 20 years ago we discussed this and I thought it was already in here. That's when we did the original ordinance. That's why I'm so startled because at the time they were trying to put housing back behind
Plantation Key Elementary and with the two trailers and I think there was something else going on and I thought we'd already done this. So yeah, I I'm all about to comment from anybody. Roger. >> No, it makes sense to me. And in your andor workforce.
>> Yeah, I mean we we use workforce and affordable. Right now we use them interchangeably. At some point there may be um as we move forward with the comp plan update and things like that a a differentiation between workforce and affordable being that workforce might
have to have some more um you might have to have some of more of your income derived from Monroe County or where it might be currently in the village code it doesn't say that. So we kind of use it interchangeably but um moving forward that might change but >> thank you. Affordable is actually the
federal term delineated within is different if you but if you have to talk to the feds it's affordable >> about anything >> disabled >> I think it's great I think it you know especially because I always think of the parsonage and things like that and I
mean churches can't always afford you always have people around the church that can't afford just out buy something you know and I like the fact that there's parking there already >> yeah to have to worry about Yeah, Mr. Ryan. >> Um, I brought it up to Jennifer, so I'll bring it up to us. My only thing is, uh,
while we're adding this as one of the uses is if we want to think about adding it if it's better to be under like a conditional, a ma, minor, major, or a permitted use just because it's under our public and semi- public services is if it makes any sense. It's just a discussion. I'm not opposed to it being
a permitted use, but if we wanted it to recommend it as a minor conditional or major conditional, that's uh that's the only thing that I saw that maybe maybe we could help with. Um but I'm happy to go with this uh this group on how they they feel about that. I guess that could
be a question for our staff, too. So, um I wouldn't do a major conditional use because that would then force everyone to have to go in front of council for approval and I think that would be a deterrent for the creation of affordable housing if we're trying to encourage more affordable housing in the
village. Um I don't think that that would be where we want to go. Um you could do a minor conditional use. That's still an administrative approval. Um it's just a little bit more um work on and a little more expensive permitting on part of the applicant. So, um I guess
it really doesn't matter. As I as I said to Jim earlier when we were talking before everybody got here, um a permitted use would still need a site plan approval through the planning department. So, there is still another level of approval through the planning department. It's not like a free-for-all. You just get to go ahead and build whatever you want. Um they
would still need a a a site plan approval. So, there is a level of approval. Um but it's it's however you want to recommend it to council, I'd be happy to put that forward. >> Yeah. the and the only reason I say that is because the public and uh semi-public use just now we're putting housing
there. So it's just I think that I think of when I think of semi-public public public services or schools, churches, you know, uh things kind of that like government nature if you will and then the churches. So the that's the only reason I even bring it up is affordable housing. >> I would note that when I was doing this
um I double checked the flum for PS and there is an allowed residential density in the Flum. So there was at some point some anticipation that there would be some residential density in the PS flum. Okay. >> So I don't think it's completely off base to allow for residential density in
the flum. >> Okay. And and like I said just a just an observation and if we want to discuss we can. If not um I'm happy either way. >> Okay. >> If you guys have any thoughts like I said >> you guys have more experience. I'm >> I'm very startled [clears throat] to see it because I remember the trailer sitting up behind the elementary school.
>> They had officers living up there. Okay. >> So, what was that? 2000 to 90s to to 2000 maybe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Sort of an interesting uh piece of information. I asked Jennifer about this probably what 3 months ago or so. And I'm on the
board for Habitat, not realizing that we also had the same issue with Habitat. I knew we were trying to get into the housing at Cor at Coral Isle, but we kept running into snags on that on that project. And um then I just found out this week that there's a a Senate bill
that's been passed um in Florida. What is that? What's the number on that one, Jennifer? >> Uh Senate Bill 1730. >> Senate 1730, which basically allows churches to build affordable housing units on their property. >> Yeah.
>> And it but but the local governments have to approve it and we don't qualify as a village because we don't have enough commercial property. available. So, come on commercial folks, get busy. We're what, at 11%, we need to be at 15.
>> Yeah, it's part of the live local act and we don't qualify because of the amount of uh commercial the percentage of commercial development in the village is too low. I I don't have the numbers out on top of my head because I wasn't expecting this tonight, but I believe when I did the research about 6 to 8 months ago for somebody else, it was uh
we were supposed to be at 15%, we're at about 11%. So, >> be about right. So, it sounds like it's in the right spot under permitted use. [laughter] I just wanted to have a little discussion about it. >> Okay. Well, that's it's done. Miss Lon, >> I don't have any objections.
>> Okay. I like I said in the beginning, I thought we'd already addressed this [clears throat] when we first wrote the affordable housing uh ordinance for the village. So I thought it was already done but I yes I strongly in favor of doing this particularly since I've
schools are one thing private schools are another thing for public use but I always consider churches sort of a separate from public we we as a nation do not support the church the church is a separate area and I don't I consider it semi-public use when they kind enough
to be open to the public so that kind of covers that >> so my kudos to Thomas Jefferson for teaching me that. So, uh, do I hear a motion? >> We need public comment. >> Oh, sorry. Public comment.
Do I see anything from the public? >> There are none. >> Hearing none. Public comment is closed. Okay. Thank you for reminding me. All right. Back to the motion. >> Mr. Young. Motion to approve. >> Yes. >> Okay. Do I hear a second? >> I'll second. >> Miss Ael. Thank you. All right. Could
you have a roll call, please, ma'am? >> Roger Young. Yes. >> Corey Ael. >> Yes. >> James Ryan. >> Yes. >> Tony Hammond. >> Yes. If I'm allowed to vote.
>> Lori Lelon. >> Yes. >> And Cheryl Coerson. Motion pass 6. >> All right. Moving back to I believe it's tab A
which is the first thing we have on the agenda this evening. >> 6A. >> Could we start there please ma'am? >> Yes, if I may. Um um A and B are companions so they can be heard under the same you know commentary but the public hearing has to open and
the vote has to be separate. So I would like to advise the board of that and see if there are any objections if I read them. Thank you for reading it all at once. [laughter] >> Absolutely. Um so I'll begin with a an ordinance of Marada village of islands Florida to
amend the village's future land use map from public semi-public services PN PS and PR to mixed use Pren MU and PRN for the subject property located on Upper Madakumbai Ki with real estate number 0042900
hyphen 000000 as legally described herein providing for the transmitt of this ordinance to the state department of economic opportunity and providing for an effective date upon the approval of this ordinance by the state department of commerce.
Um B, an ordinance of Island Marada Village of Islands, Florida to amend the official zoning map from public semi-public services PRN PS and PREN to highway commercial PRN HC and PREN for
the subject property located on Upper Madakumbai Key with real estate number 0042900 0 as legally described herein to the State Department of Economic Opportunity and providing for an effective date upon the
approval of this ordinance by the state department of commerce. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. So, um, some of you may recall, um, this was before, uh, the LPA couple years ago, um, when it was, um, privately owned and, um, then it sort of
got pulled when the village deter decided to purchase the church property, um, for its own use. And, um, since then, the village has uh, decided what they want to do with it and haven't really decided. So, uh, the village
manager and the village council have asked that we move forward with the zoning change, um, in order to determine highest and best use of the property, whether it be a sale or the villages own use or something else. So, um, we're moving forward with the it's the same
exact zoning change that was prior before the LPA, uh, which is to take it out of public semi-public services, um, and move it into highway commercial, which would take it out of the PS flum and put it in a mixeduse flum, um, and
just leave it at that. So, um, I can read the entire staff report, but I don't know that you need me to. Um, but that's really where we're at. It's just to take it out of PS and move it into highway commercial to allow for highest
and best use of the church property. I'm here to answer any questions if you have any. >> Do we need to hear anything from the applicant? >> I see Mr. Saunders has just joined us. >> If he'd like to speak, >> do you have anything you want to say?
>> No, he's all right. Shifting around. Let's start on your end. disabled. >> I have very mixed emotions about this, but I understand what the village is trying to do and it does make sense because we do need to unload the property, you know, so that we can put
money back in the coffers for other things to do and this would be the best possible way to do that for the highest and best use of it. Um, however, it's deterring away from why they bought the property in the first place because then it gives it the ability to be, you know,
a CVS or or whatever it it may be, but I understand and and I think it is the best thing to do for the property at this time. >> Do you feel the need for a restriction on the use or do we want to go back to a movie theater?
>> That would be awesome. Um, you know, I I don't feel like that's in my ability to to to decide if it needs a I mean, I guess it's in my ability, but no, I don't I don't feel like we need a restriction at this time. >> Okay. Recommendation. All right, Mr.
Ryan, sir. >> Um, we spent a lot of time on this with the previous I guess um the previous uh LPA. Um, I remember Tony telling some pretty cool stories about the property, the marquee, the godfather, stuff like that. Um
>> there's definitely some um people on this board that know a lot more about the property and its history than me. So um I personally I don't have any issues with it. >> Mr. Young, >> I I think you have to go there.
>> It makes sense to me. And I I don't see no CBS or anything going. I mean, they got to go through all her groups first. [laughter] So, I'm fine with it. [laughter] >> You make me sound like a mean person. >> It's her personality. [laughter]
>> You know what I mean, >> Mr. Hammond? Sir, >> um, well, this was actually what we were trying to do at the state level when the village stepped in and said, "We'll make the purchase." >> Uh, which so to me it makes sense. I
mean, obviously, what would I like to see happen to a property? Could it be used as a performing arts center? Absolutely. However, it could still happen as commercial >> and be used that way. So, I think this is the only practical way to go. I think if we don't do something quickly, it's
going to be a tear down and a rebuild because right now, especially in the front side, we've had some water get in. Apparently, I've talked to Ch. I haven't been in there. Um but apparently uh it it's got some mildeo in the front end and so we need to make a decision on it
pretty fast. Do something. >> Mr. Long, >> I think changing the zoning makes it uh brings it into a consistent um zoning designation that we're already seeing with the surrounding properties.
So right now this stands as quite an outlier [snorts] and its limitations um kind of prevent uses right they they drastically prevent um majority of uses
that would be ideal for any um all the other parcels that are nearby. >> I I think it's it's time. I think it's time. I think returning it to its original use, which is highway mixeduse/highway
commercial, since it started out as a movie theater and Wayne Bean and his family got to spend Hurricane Donna and Betsy there. Um, it's a story I don't ever need to hear again. Um, >> but sorry. >> Yeah, it was it was a harrowing evening.
Um, I think it makes much more sense. The one the only thing I would suggest but I think this is up to council is the buildings in the back with no difficulty and that's a goodiz piece of property and that's it. We need to have affordable housing
created with something that's there. And as I would I'm going to suggest to council that there be a a creation of affordable housing, not a contribution to the fund, but a creation of affordable housing on the property, preferably
before a CO is granted to whatever use the building has there. the building in the back. I don't know what kind of condition it's in, but at the last time I was there, it was doable, but it's there. Even if you just took the second floor and made it into four units or six
units, you could get four units up there. And if you decided to use all those units, better yet. But I think you need to start creating when you have something of this size. Just like for those with us on the Middle Keys Community Land Trust, we were created
because Pritam Singh wanted to create things in Marathon. He created the Middle Keys Community Land Trust and was required to create housing which is how we wind up managing 27 units in Marathon. We create helped to create >> [clears throat] >> um Woods Corner because we had the land
trust with which we could manage the underlying lease the property and the underlying lease it stays there. So it's something that needs to go to council to be thought about. We are now at the stage where contributing $200 to the affordable housing fund does nothing. if we start talking about creating four
units and bringing them in the community because you don't have to have an affordable housing unit to convert something that's already there. We can just convert it. So, I think that that's a thought that needs to come in front of council as this thing moves forward. I don't know that it's up to us to modify
this with that suggestion, but I think it's something that needs to go to council. But yes, am I in favor of this? Yes, this property needs to be properly utilized. isn't going to be utilized with the current designation unless some other church just shows up in town. And I'm not waiting up nights on that. No.
Okay. Do we have any other comment? >> Uh Jennifer, just real quick, um just cuz we Cheryl brought it up. What's the restriction on converting uh existing is it's only for hotel, right? >> Correct. >> Just for hotel. Okay. >> Correct. >> Um Mr. Saunders, anything for public
comment from you, Mr. Friedman, sir? Hearing no further comment, I will close public comment. And I believe we can go ahead and do I hear a motion? We have to do this in separate parts. Correct. >> Sorry. Excuse me. Um, if we could just
open public comment for one moment to make sure nobody's online or anything. >> Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't know. Sorry. Public comment is back open because I did not know if we had anybody online. >> There are no public comments. >> Okay. Public comments closed again. >> Thank you. [laughter] >> Okay. Sorry. Forgot to check that mark.
All right. Um, could we have a a motion, please, somebody? >> We We do need two motions. One for >> Which one? >> We do need two motions. >> Motion to approve tab A is presented. >> Yes. >> Is that for Mr. Young? >> Do I hear a second?
>> Sure. I'll second. >> Ryan. Okay. Uh, could we have a roll call, please, ma'am? >> Roger Young, >> yes. >> James Ryan, >> yes. >> Corey Ael, >> yes. >> Tony Hammond, >> yes. Lori Lelon, >> yes. >> Cheryl Coleerson, sorry.
>> Yes. >> Motion passed six to zero. >> Okay. May I have a motion on tab B, please? >> I'll have a motion to approve. [laughter] I'll motion to approve the zoning chains from uh >> I second.
>> I love tag teams. Okay. Was that sufficient for our needs? Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. May I have a roll call, please? Ma'am, >> James Ryan, >> yes. >> Roger Young, >> yes. [clears throat] >> Tony Hammond, >> yes. >> Cory Ael,
>> yes. >> Lori Lelon, >> yes. >> And Cheryl Coerson, >> yes. Thank you. >> Motion pass six to zero. >> Thank you. >> Does anybody else from the committee have any other additions, deletions, or comments that they want to make at this time about anything that's coming up anytime soon?
>> My only question is for the next meeting before we adjourn. Oh, Jennifer, do we have a next meeting scheduled tonight? >> Um, we do. It's February 23rd and we have right now one item on the agenda. So, there will be a meeting. >> We do or do not have something. >> We We do have one. >> Okay. That's I want to make sure. [snorts] Is everybody good?
>> The 23rd of February. Yes. >> Okay. And my checklist. Mr. Director, do you have anything else? >> I don't at this time other than go Texans. >> All right. Mr. Mr. manager. Sir, do you have anything else for the committee,
sir? >> All right. Hearing nothing for them, madam attorney. Anything else for the committee? >> Not at this time. No. >> Do I hear a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Love it. Everybody vote by leaving. >> Good job, Cheryl.
>> Look, it's not even 7 o'