Good evening everyone. Thank you for coming to our council meeting and I would like uh Marne to please call the role. Council member Steve Freriedman here. Council member Deb Gillis here. Council member
Anna Richards here. Vice Mayor Don Horton here. and mayor Sharon Mahoney here. We have a quorum. Thank you. And I would like to ask our brand new manager to please lead us in the pledge of allegiance. How about that? Please join in the pledge of the flag. I
pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Okay.
Before we start the meeting tonight, I would like everyone to please give a moment of silence for Merrick Dunn who passed away last night. The families have been in this community a long, long time, and I'm sure everybody was connected to them one way or another. So, can we please have a moment of
silence in his memory? All right. Um I my heart goes out to the family members. Horrible time of year. Okay. Council additions or deletions. Steve.
No. Anna. No. Deb, none. Don, no ma'am. Okay. The only thing I want put this on record. We have no addition. Oh, I'm not done. I want to I want to say give you guys an update on the dog park. So, I can do
that in the mayor council communications. Okay. Um, Ron, do you want to say something about tab 16? U, just briefly, that's the updated personal manual. We're going to have a presentation by Jamie Terry's director
and you can take action on that tonight if you choose. There's a part that's more of a directive. Excuse me, my first time. I apologize. There's a personal manual that we're going to have presented by Jamie Terry, our HR director, that you can take action on tonight. There was a
separate part which was the concern about the complaint procedures that we can deal with at a later meeting. So rather than deal the whole thing tonight, we're just going to do the personnel manual which needs revisions. the part that there was some concern about about how to file a complaint against or proceed a complaint against the the council or the mil the manager
we can deal with the next meeting and we're still working on some language. John, did you want to say something? You're looking at me like not about that. There's another um there's another item. So, I'll I'll wait and if we're off that then I'll uh I can move. Uh there was also a request from uh Lisa to
move tab seven off of consent um and uh to have that uh heard during regular resolution. So we can just move that in front of tab 14. Um okay wait move seven to 14. Yeah. So we can move that at the beginning of resolutions so it's off of
the off of consent. Okay. Okay. All right. Moving on. Uh reports, presentations, and announcements. Uh Lindsay for the uh HR, please come on up.
Good evening. For those of you who I haven't met in person yet, my name is Lindsay Babino and I'm the human resources assistant. Historically, the village has recognized employees for their years of service with a token of appreciation.
However, this has not been done consistently within the last year or more. The employee experience team recommended bringing back this form of appreciation for our employees. Moving forward, we plan to recognize years of service every six months at a regularly
scheduled council meeting. Tonight's service awards were earned this fiscal year. So, tonight we would like to recognize the following 12 employees for five years of service. Philip Todorov, Lieutenant 2 with fire
rescue and Cassandra Benvita Serpa, administrative assistant to the sheriff's department. For 10 years of service, Hattie Jenkins, senior staff accountant, Alexander Hernandez, roadway maintenance staff with public works, Susan
Mclofflin, software administrator, and Erica Olivera, Lieutenant 2 with fire rescue. for 15 years of service. Jose Pachchi Val Cressell, public works crew chief, Jose Eddie Pena, building
maintenance staff with public works, and Anita Muka, planning and zoning technician. And last year for a whopping 25 years of service, Teao Amaro, Founders Park crew chief, Terry Ael, our fire chief, and Debbie Nazer, admin
assistant to fire rescue. It's wonderful. For the employees that are not able to be here in person tonight, I will make sure your department head gets your award to give you at a later date, but we do have several that are here tonight. So, if you guys would like to come up and receive your award and a
round of applause, man. Terry, you're old. [Laughter] Get some chest or something. She asked me. That's cool. That's awesome. It is awesome. It is awesome.
Thank you for your service. Before we move on to the next subject, I'm not going to steal Don's thunder and let him say happy birthday to some of our staff. Go ahead. I just happen to notice today is uh Maria and Annie's uh
birthday um today. So, uh both of our park and Rex folks that that work in here is their birthday. So, happy birthday to both Annie and uh to Maria Bajatti. I had the good fortune of being able to work with Maria. She's been here
a really long time, too. And and uh let's see, it's been exactly 20 years almost to the date that I left the village as the building official. So, uh happy birthday to those two. He's really old, too. Yeah. Right.
Okay. Peter Fresa, you want to come on up and start the discussion about the boat ramp? Okay. Well, good evening, council. Yes, this is going to be a brief update on the Founders Park boat ramp and uh some potential alternatives possibly if we wanted to look at additional locations
for for boat ramps here in the village. Okay. So, this idea of an additional or new boat ramp at Founders Park uh came has arisen back again. It's been under discussion for for years now. And as far as I know, this has come from uh a request from the Backcount Fishing
Guides and a need for additional or or alternative uh launching facilities for their for their businesses. And the the proposed new boat ramp or where we have been discussing for the past couple years now is in the general area of that yellow triangle on the map. And the
reason that that area has been proposed is because it is the location of some type of historical launch facility. We could see that in the aerial photographs. So that does give a precedent if we were going to establish a new boat ramp. That's certainly helpful if there already was a ramp in
that location for permitting reasons. So we just run through some aerial photos. This is about a year and a half after the yacht harbor and the breakwater were constructed and the dredging was done. You can see in that red s circle there, that's the first indication of some type of clearing where boats were launched. And I do have
confirmation from people that had launched boats there. So we know it was some type of launching facility. So we'll move along 1968. Don't don't know if you can see that, but there was a dock constructed by 1968 in association with the ramp. By 1972, there was obviously still
in use and there was some bulkheading built. Uh, and the bulkheading is still there. You can walk through the mangroves and find that old concrete bulkheading. 1975 also shows it still in use with the dock as well. So, by 1981, it looks like it's
not being as used as often. You can still see some signs of it. But the current boat ramp at Founders Park had been constructed by 1981. So that's probably why this boat ramp ceased to exist after about this time. But regardless, it was in operation there
for uh at least uh two decades. But in 1985, there's no signs of it at all. So for at least two decades, this was being used as some type of boat ramp. Sorry. Oh god. Sorry. Go back one. Okay, so let's Can I skip too
far? No, that's right. Okay, so fast forward till today. Obviously, things have changed. We have dense mangroves in the area now about 40 to 50 ft wall of mangroves. There's three species of mangroves here with a a fringe as but a fringe of buttonwood as
well. I got this next photo from Lisa Watts. She just wanted to point out or we wanted to point out this this area does flood. Uh the location uh we were discussing is right behind that uh the screening there for the canopy. Um it does flood on king tides. Apparently this was taken during a king tide event.
So obviously this is very lowlying elevations here. I took a couple photos you know out in the field just to show what it looks like from the water. Obviously it's very shallow water there. You can see the mangroves in the background there. There are some sensitive natural resources. There were some citarastria
or the starllet coral present in that area. And as we move closer to shore, you can see from this photo, it's really shallow water. This was taken at a higher tide, there was about a foot of water up next to these mangroves. Uh three species of m of seagrass present
in this area. Uh shall grass and turtle grass was about 80 to 100% coverage of grass. So we do have dense grass in this area and shallow water. out. So, I wanted to go back to this slide just to talk about some of the the the challenges and maybe the realities
if we wanted to install a ramp at this location. Uh the first thing I wanted to note is that if you look at it's not doesn't really show real clearly if that's a pointer. It is the dredged area of the plantation yacht harbor is about
right here. By indication, this area is not in the original dredging footprint of the Odd Harbor. Uh even if you looked at those 1960 photos, it shows that there was no dredging there. So, if we were to submit permit applications to the Army Corps and the D, like we would
need to, one of the first things they're going to look at is where it is in location to say a previously dredged area or a canal. Uh all of our water here in the Keys is under um a special regulation known as Outstanding Florida
Water or OFW um due to a number of reasons, but mainly because we're in a national marine sanctuary. However, if you're within a canal or a previously dredged area, you know, you are outside OFW. It appears like this location is within that OFW zone because it had
never been dredged. The only dredging allowed in OFW is maintenance dredging. There is a strict rule that there is no dredging or filling in of I met with uh a representative or ex employee from the D. This was going back about a year and
a half now in the regulatory division. He felt that that this probably was in that OFW zone and that a boat ramp would not get permitted here. I also discussed this with Ryan Matthews, our uh state lobbyist, and he also agreed that's probably OFW and it likely wouldn't get
permitted. However, we wouldn't know, you know, unless we tried forward. I just wanted to mention what the impacts would be. Uh we kind of drew a quick sketch, myself and the engineer that was assisting me with this of what the area might be and the impacts. Uh there absolutely would need
to be mangrove excavating obviously and then also seaggrass dredging through the bay bottom kind of in a channel like that. It' have to be a marked channel I believe too. Okay, so the mangrove impact is roughly, 1100 uh square ft and the seaggrass impact is roughly 3,000
square ft. And anytime you impact seaggrass or mangroves in Florida, you have to pay mitigation fees. So I'll get to that in a little bit. So I was also asked to just go through some of the pros and cons of constructing a new boat ramp in this
location, this historic location. So the pros obviously this would help the fishing guides, right? So I think that this is all about and it would definitely be a benefit to them. If a new ramp were constructed, it may direct that boat traffic away from the current ramp, which could also be a good thing.
The cons are a bit lengthy here. Obviously, we have the environmental impacts of the necessary mangrove and seaggrass and bay bottom dredging. Uh this likely would complicate the uh and utilize or take up current marina parking. Right. We can discuss this more
with Lisa, but I believe there are 17 trailer spots here and obviously the more use of it, the more trailer spots are going to be taken up and that could lead to reducing the access or water access to residents. You know, if the trailer spots get taken up, nobody else
is launching if they want to leave their truck and trailer in the marina. So, there could be liability issues with this, of course, too. According to Lisa, this may also require additional marina staffing. This likely could be a
potential disruption to the marina residents. You know, living in the liaborts down there, it could, you know, affect their privacy. That could be an issue, too. Uh, something maybe even more important though is the infrastructure may not be in place to support, you know, guides working out of here just because of their obvious
tendencies to launch early a lot of times, um, in the dark. you know, there's no lighting in place down there and there's no bathroom. The bathrooms aren't open, you know, until the the park opens right at 8. So, that's something that may need to be addressed, too. The cost associated with this,
actually, a year and a half ago, we actually even got farther along in this process in which the council requested a proposal from a consultant for the design and permitting of a new boat ramp down here. We have that proposal. It was for $65,000.
mitigation fees to mitigate for the mangrove and seaggrass loss. Going to estimate that's about $50,000 and we'd be looking at a, you know, a total project construction probably around $500,000. So maybe a 600 to $700,000 project we're looking at
here. Okay. So the last thing I wanted to mention is regarding the this boat ramp is the rules and regulations of the the Yacht Harbor Marina. I know you can't read this, but I'll just read it out. I have one line highlighted in there and it's actually the only thing in the marina rules and regulations
that's in bold and it's that there are no charter vessels allowed to occupy dockage, storage space or conduct business in the marina. So obviously I think we need to change our our rules too. That may not be a big deal but I just wanted to mention that. Okay, so moving on alternative
locations. I was also asked to have a look at uh the Blackwood Drive boat ramp and just bring it up during this conversation. And Blackwood Drive is on Upper Madakumbi on the bay side. That's the uh Coral Bay Marina just to the south of it there. So, this is a a boat
ramp that's operated and maintained by the village. It does have some uh significant limiting factors though for usage by guides. It's it's not as it is now a functioning boat ramp for guide service and for a a few important
reasons. It's a very uh flat ramp. The steepness is not nearly enough to safely or effectively launch gifts. There's no dockage. There's no hardening. It's just not a suitable place to be working out of. Uh this this photo also shows uh
could be an issue, I don't know, of the the liverboards bringing their dingies in here. This is a popular spot where the liverboards out in the big basin and little basin come in and and obviously leave their dingies. And there's also kayaks and canoes being stored there, too. So, just another photo uh showing
the boat ramp. Uh it is gated. I think we you know, we closed this on the the holidays, but it's open on the weekends from from dawn to dusk. So, looking at a couple pros and cons of a ramp here on Blackwood Drive or a new or uh hardened
improved boat ramp on Blackwood. This is in a great location, right? Right in the heart of Island Marada on the Bayside. Wonderful spot for, you know, guys to be working out of and it could definitely meet the need of a functional new boat ramp on upper Madakumbi, which we don't have. Uh the cons for this, there's
going to be permitting challenges. There is seaggrass, so we'd have to mitigate. Uh much more likely we get permitted to construct a ramp here. I believe we probably could. It would be very minimal dredging. There's already a ramp in place. excellent precedence to uh to
harden and improve this boat ramp. Biggest drawback and limiting factor, there's no trailer parking available right now. So, we'd have to either have a land purchase or figure out somewhere where and we'd be able to park trucks and trailers in order for this to be functional for guides. Uh there's
probably going to be privacy concerns, right? This is right next to a residential home. There are businesses on Blackwood Drive as well. they may not be very very pleased with us uh improving this boat ramp. Uh the cost, you know, regardless of um a land purchase, uh this wouldn't
be as expensive as a a new boat ramp. Obviously, here at Founders Park, we're probably looking in the $350,000 range to improve this ramp. Oh, want to highlight one more thing with Blackwood because it has been brought up that, oh, there's an empty
lot, you know, right next door to Blackwood Drive circled in red there. Maybe we could look into a purchase of that property for the trailer storage. That property, you know, Don's shaking his head. That property right now does have a building permit. There's a single family residential duplex structure
being constructed right now. In the photo, you can actually see the foundation right there. So, three stories high now. Three. Okay. So, that's obviously not an option anymore for parking. Unfortunately, the lot, if you see my pointer here in the bottom
left, that is an empty lot where they are storing trailers. I I just learned that that's owned by the Coral Bay Marina. Okay, so just a another thought there. So, moving on. I was also asked just to mention East Ridge boat ramp,
you know, briefly as a possible alternative. East Ridge is directly across the street here on the ocean side. This is another boat ramp that's operated and maintained by the village. Um it is a hardened and functional ramp. Could be used for launching skiffs.
Problem here is there's no parking. There is uh not one parking spot in this location. So you know unless there was land found for trailer storage or some type of you know way we come up with the trailer storage. This is as of right now not really uh suitable for for
guide operations. And I just wanted to put this up there too. I thought we compiled this information. It's a little data now. It's a little over a year old, but this is the number of marinas within Island Marada and the number of backcountry guides operating out of each one of
those marinas. And again, if these numbers have changed, I apologize. It's a little over a year old. Uh there are four of these marinas that have boat ramps. The ones with the boat ramps are the the Angler House, uh, Laureli, Three
Waters, and Worldwide Sportsman. Uh, as of now, I think, you know, the only people launching out of those ramps terms of the guides are the ones that are, you know, paying some type of, you know, fee to those marinas. But anyway, 10 marinas and 143 backcountry guides
working out of Island Marada, these 10 marinas. And finally, I'm just going to end with this. Uh, number of the village staff got together and kind of brainstormed and just made a list of all the boat ramps in the village that we I'm sure I missed. We missed some. If you see any on there, let me know that
we're missed. But these this does include the neighborhoods, resorts, and marinas. 36 boat ramps. So, you know, Island Marada isn't lacking boat ramps. We're just lacking public boat ramps. And, uh, yeah, I'll leave it there. And, um, any questions or open that up for
discussion? Can you repeat which um which of the marinas had ramps? I wanted to mark them in my book. Sure. So that's the safe harbor angler house. Laura, Laura Lai. Yep. Oh, it does say
there. Three Waters Resort and Marina and then Worldwide Sportsman. Thank you. Yeah, I saw it after the fact. Sorry. Does anybody on council want to say anything before I open up public comment, which I'm going to do? No, ma'am. No. Okay, Marty, I want to
open public comment, please. Okay, we'll start with uh Richard Black. Um it looks like he is representing the Florida Keys Fishing Guides Association, so we'll give him five minutes. Richard Black uh representing Florida Keys Fishing Guides Association. Um
thank you for giving me time, council. Uh on behalf of the Florida Keys Fishing Guides Association with over 120 active members. I respectfully urge the council to support local fishing guides that have long supported and been the backbone of this community.
Um, we've been increasingly increasingly pushed to the margins of accessibility. Our local fishing guides are losing their boat ramps to privatization. And the 10 this trend tends to be growing. This means further cost uh to
us and more lost places for guides to launch and work if any at all. Now, I know utilizing the existing infrastructure uh may appear to be in the best interest of residents and the environment. However,
um I don't think that's in the best case for the village of Alam Marada Marina staff, marina residents, um and Alam Marada residents. The guys association requests that the village council find the best way forward for all members of our community and the environment
regardless of the decision you make. The Florida Keys Fishing Guides Association is well aware of the cost of building a boat ramp specifically for the use of our local guides. But we're not talking about millions of dollars here. Pete even brought it up. we're
maybe talking hundreds of thousands, many of which were just estimations. Additionally, um there are many grant opportunities available um at at our access. Um some new grant
opportunities, the Florida boating improvements program, the boating infrastructure grant program um are just some to name. On top of that, guides have a great network of anglers and people that are involved in our community, and we
have access to much needed private donations that we could easily raise. This would reduce or eliminate any financial burden of this project. A second a secondary ramp would also take the pressure off the existing ramp
and allow current public ass access to continue without disrupting marina residents or threatening any of their privacy concerns. The Florida Keys Guides Association is well aware of the concerns from the village of Alamada staff uh and residents. you know, marina
liability was brought up, and I wanted to remind everyone that all of our guides carry fairly substantial liability policies that cover us and our ramps wherever we launch from. Um, the idea of paying additional staff members isn't really necessary.
We're far advanced now in our technology, and there's many ideas to use like camera systems, key cards, um, that that would not require a man location or a man person there. Um the impact to the bay bottom and a natural
shoreline although in the pictures may seem great um we have to remind ourselves and our community that the guides association are some of the best stewards of the sea. We would also possibly recommend a
limited boat size that can be launched there. Many of us um dry launch our skiffs and bayboats. So the actual skiff and trailer is not submerged in the water needing only mere inches to launch a boat. Um in some of the pictures that
Pet had shown um I noticed there was very large vessels in the same vicinity as where was recommended that we might have to dredge. How are those vessels getting in and out of that dock as well? Something else to be asked about that location.
Um last I I just strongly recommend that the village continue to move forward on this project. You know, we we've been looking at this for a couple years and you know, we're we're in the right direction. Um I think the next step moving forward would be to have some sort of environmental impact study done
on our location there. Uh I've already reached out to many friends that are in this field and would be happy to help and uh do a a full report that would be needed for you guys. Thank you. Thank you, Richard.
Appreciate Mary. Next up is Captain Ted Bedo for telling us you're wearing a suit tonight. Hi. Before I give my presentation and tell you who I am, I'd just like to make a few comments that Pete mentioned. Um, tell us who you are. I'm I'm I'm sorry.
I'm Captain Ted Bendo. Thank you. That was it to my presentation. Alamada residence in 1967. I'm a skiff guide business with my son. Uh we currently work out of the lower marina and have ever since hurricane Irma. There's about
30 fishing guides there. Um and then there's a lot of my colleagues in here that are not from the Laurelai that are here to represent uh the whole fishing guide community. Um, last night, um, I hope that all of you got a chance to read my email so I don't have to repeat
a lot of this. Um, as a point to what Pete said, um, I I counted down there tonight. There's 24 trailer spots as I see right now. Just wanted to point that out. Keys to the restroom would solve restroom issues. There's one right here. Um, I I know that a lot of guides used
to launch out of Indian Key until the I got mines got it out of here. Um, there was no bathroom there. I mean, we're fishing guides. There's no bathroom on our skiff, so we'll figure it out. Um uh and there's plenty of parking at the old Irene and Georgees or for you young folks uh Island Silver and Spice.
Actually for you younger folks it's been a derelic building there for a long time that now the village owns. But anyway um thank you for your time tonight. Uh and welcome Ron. You know another another great Keys family coming up
here. Uh I hope you read my my email. Um Isa Marada sport fishing capital of the world. When you drive through Tavanir, sport fishing capital of the world. Where's the boat ramps? Um, Founders Park is the crown jewel of Alam Marada. Plantation Yacht Harbor is
a city marina. Both bought with the same tax dollars of the village residents. I've sat on three different stances with the parks and recreation committee. First under Jim Mooney, Mike Forester, and now Sharon Mahoney. As I mentioned in my email, our little fishing
business, I mean, mind and my sons, generates about a million dollars in heads and beds. I'm not talking about restaurants. I'm not talking about gift short, but I'm talking about heads and beds. I don't know what that equates to the village's percentage of that, but last I heard it was 12 uh 12% bed tax.
Um, out of that, there's 500 trips to 600 trips depend on any given year that my website generates. My son Donnie and I each do a couple of hundred and I pass around for free to a lot of these guys in the back room just to help them feed their family.
Um, I hope everyone understands the marina, you know, started charging the $225 for the residents to park their trailers, but that only happened when I brought it up. It was being done for free and it looked like a mess down there.
Um, surely any fishing guide in town would pay 225 to have a nice boat ramp down there. So, this would be a revenue stream for the village. Not to mention our customers, a lot of them would have to pay the $10 to come in here. Thank you, Donnie. I got to cut you off at
three. Um, Donnie here. I know. I'm sorry. You say one name. You got me off my roll. What can I tell you? Um, you know, surely they would pay that. Uh they're also, you know, the as the charter boats go, they would be
willing to pay if they need a space to operate out of. When you guys drive down to Holiday Aisle and you look to your left and you see all those spots are empty that we used to see boats and they're like, "Oh man, great. They're working." They're not working. They're out of business. There's no signs there. So So anyway, um you know, I wanted to
uh point that out. Um three minutes. Sorry. I get five. I was told because I represent the guides assoc not the guides association but the uh lower life fishing guides that I don't didn't know so I apologize
up I'll try to I'll try to wrap it up uh um you know plant again plantation not harbor uh along with uh Founders Park was bought with the funds from taxpayers it is our marina but sometimes I know a lot of the people feel like because you know I'm on the
parks committee that it isn't being treated that way. It's more of their marina in our park. Um, as I'm told, uh, Founders Park Marina, Plantation Yard Marina, has about $8 million in their accounts.
Um, there's a jetty that was just replaced that Pete, I believe, got funding for was $2 million on a grant. Um, that jetty, great. I'm glad they got it, but that helps those people. So, you know, I'm thinking, okay, $8 million, $2 million we're given on a grant. You
know, we should be able to try and get something done here. Uh, skiff guides need to be on trailers. We can't keep our boats in the water. I'm sure a lot of people are asking that question, but, you know, they're just not made to sit in the water. You know, a bay boat, maybe, a center console, maybe, but not a skiff guides. You know, we'd come back
and they'd be underwater. Um, there was a parks meeting at the last meeting. Caroline Whiteitman had uh instructed village staff to have a subcommittee with me, Richard Black, and another committee member. And uh I was called
the next day and and told by Marina by Maria that it wasn't under the scope of the parks and recreation. Um I don't agree with that because when you look at our mission statement, it kind of does say that that is. But okay, but if that's true, then I don't feel like any
other committee should be under that that scope either. You know, we've all got to be treated equally. And um you know, the the ramps would be a great uh revenue stream for the village. Um not only through bed tax, but through launch fees, some of our customers that
have to pay the 10 bucks to come in. And that's all I got. I appreciate your time. Thank you, Marne. Is there anyone else? No, ma'am. Okay. Um, then I'm gonna look at the council for your input. Uh, Deb, do you want to go first?
I don't want to go first. Why not? [Laughter] I'm sorry. I couldn't resist. Go ahead, Steve. Yeah, I mean, I obviously I agree with uh with everything that was said tonight. I think that there are some
solutions to problems that we may encounter along the way. Um, we're seeing a rapid takeover by corporations to these marinas um that uh threaten the livelihood of of anybody that's working out of those marinas because they have
the say of of who gets to go in if in and out if if anybody. Um so some kind of program I would like to see uh move forward uh where um guides uh and mostly in in an association um can can utilize
that ramp uh you know safely and with respect. Okay. I mean, I'm all for supporting all of these guys, but to me, physically responsibility of spending $600 700,000 is is not right for us to do. So, I
think maybe some studies between all of them to who is willing to help pay for that, who is who wants to actually use it and pay a monthly fee for it to offset those costs. Don
So, I've talked to several of the backcountry guides I know and and one of the I guess one of the problems is the the ramp that we currently have just didn't work for uh backount skiffs and uh it's difficult to launch them in and
out. Um, and um, I think we're lowballing the number if we really have to dredge 3,000 square ft of seaggrass. Um, is that uh, Peter, did that take us to 4ft depth? Is that
why we have to dredge that much? That's about right. So that equals about 2,787,091 cubic cm. And the last time that I uh had to permit dredging
seaggrass or affecting seaggrass because of permitting a dock cubic a square centimeter for the mitigation on just the seaggrass and that wasn't uh that wasn't the mitigation that they had to do on
starts which is a little bit more than actually it's about five bucks uh square centimeter on on starlet corals and other corals. Um, so if that actually calculates out
that that much, then having to dredge that much just didn't it doesn't make the old ramp, which did used to be there functional, but back in those days they didn't care how deep the water was. Now they're going to force it to go to 4T.
Um maybe looking at how we can revamp that that ramp that we have and and make it work. Steve, have you launched from that before? Yeah, that's why I was puzzled. I I don't know. I haven't had any trouble launching skiffs from that that ramp. Is anybody else in here?
Yeah, you do. Yeah, it might depend on the kind of trailer. Yeah. Um but I mean that's certainly a possible solution. If people are having trouble, we could revamp that somehow. We got to come up with something. I mean, we we got to protect these guys. Uh they're they're the they're the
lifeblood of our community. So, I I I mean, if if that's what it's going to take it, Anna, is a study or a committee or a special committee. I guess that's maybe that's what it is. Well, I think you'd have to do a uh a bentic survey to start with to see what's out there. A
baometric and a benthic survey. Yeah, sure. Be are you ready? Sure. Go ahead. I just didn't want to be first. That's all. That's okay. So, um, we do we do need to to help our guys
and our residents as much as we can. And it would be wonderful to have a second ramp, but I see a lot of um stop signs in front of that uh financial um um
environmental um space alone. Uh there's limited parking. Uh it would have to somehow be reconfigured. I don't know how much more that we could get out of parking because if you're going to launch them, you got to have a place to put the trailer in the truck. Um
currently they have 17 spaces that they use and they use every one of them most every weekend. Not so much through the week, but most every weekend. Um, if if we're going to do this to open
it, um, I think I think um, Richard Black was correct is there's a lot new technology compared to the last time we tried this. I don't I get two different stories of what happened
last time of why it went a miss. Um, and it's it went a miss. So, it's it's over with. But we have a lot of new technology, cameras and passcards and whatever to help protect um who's using it and if they've they've
done their um share paying ramp fees or whatever it is. Um the best I can figure it's it's going to be really expensive. The other half is how how many of our I've been told
I'm not a fisherman. Everybody knows this. Um it's not me. I didn't do it. Time's up. My time's up. um that that most of the back guides do trailer them and don't they have marinas
that they're working out of and yeah the world's changing and some of the marinas are closing their doors to the outside but they'll they'll a true marina is always going to have some kind of
um access. Um the big loss was actually when we lost the one at Indian Keyville. Um a lot of the guides used that one. We know we had all that parking problem. That's part of what was going on down there.
Um, I thought of a couple ideas and I I don't know whether or not it would even be feasible to to be able to limit it to the appropriate people to help separate it. Uh if there's a fence that could be
put in between that that dock and the current dock somewhere and you know make a different entrance for those captains to be able to get in and out. They want 24-hour access. You got to figure that out somehow and and still protect the
people in the marina and what's going on in the park. Um the park isn't really a 24-hour park. um for the amount of money that we'd pay to put in a new ramp, we can hire a
whole lot of help for several years. So maybe the answer is to figure out how to use the existing ramp and um put somebody on the gate 24/7 so that
we've got better control on who's using it, when they're using it, and what kind of noise they're making. because that was part of the problem. And I've had people suggest that, well, the people in the marina um aren't permanent residents, so they
don't get to vote. Well, they aren't, but tourism is how we make our living in this town, and without them, that is part of that piece. Um, I don't know whether we go ahead and spend the money and find out how much it
would cost to get a permit and to do the bentric and the what's the other one? Bometric. Baometric. Thank you. I don't know how much that is to to find all that out,
but I I am in support of the guides. I I really wish we could find a another ramp somewhere that we could use um or or refurbish on its own with a lot. Um but I don't know where that is.
This town was never designed that way very well. Okay. Thank you. Um that leaves me. Um I'm the one who started the ramp situation year and a half ago. Peter knows that on the last council and I'm the one who brought it back up
again. Um I have had do been doing my homework. I've reached out to the guides. I'm the only council person who has talked to Lisa. She told me today to get her feelings on what she wants and that needs to be taken into consideration. I talked to her. Well, if
you did, she didn't tell me that. So, whatever. Um, I had also reached out to Ryan Matthews who has told me different stuff than our Peter has told me. And to look at this, it is very one-sided. One, one
sentence for pros and a whole paragraph of cons. Doesn't make it look too good. Then I asked you to put East Ridge back in there. You didn't put anything about pros and cons for that one, which I'm wondering why, but any ramp in this area. There are people who live in
downtown Alam Marada who can easily fix a ramp at Blackwood, launch their boat, take their vehicle to their house, and walk back. You list neighborhoods in here. Come on. No one's going to launch in my neighborhood. It's a homeowners park. So, when you say we've got all
these ramps, we really don't. I talked to Ryan today. He feels I have a 50/50 chance of getting this done. He asked me to do some homework which I'm going to do with Richard Black. And um there's also grants out there and if Peter I
would love it if you'd help me with these grants or apply for them. There's several grants that'll go for fixing these ramps up. Richard also knows someone which I know too, but Richard better uh who will do the studies for us for nothing. So I'm asking the council
right now to at least let me keep doing my homework, find that middle of the road and make everybody happy. Let's do it. And uh it'll be no cost. I won't bring anything back. That'll cost the t taxpayers a dime until I have some facts
in front of me. Let's do it. Look at me. She's coming in for her dad. And um I think the second ramp is something that we should do. The mitigation. I had people go down today
and take some pictures, which I'm sending to Ryan. Um, I also need to get with Ron about uh the Department of Environmental Protection wants me to do some stuff. So, it's not a no. And we can make the ramp where it's a separate entrance for the guides. They have their
own key. Like, you know, it's sort of silly. We don't need more staff. And the bathroom thing I was a bit surprised about because I was married to a guide and he never once used a bathroom out there that I know of. It was over the side of the boat. So, um, I I'm wanting
you guys to approve me moving forward with this and let me come back with some suggestions to help these kids out. God, now I sound old kids, but to help these guys out that this is their livelihood and you have a business that feeds off the tourism. I do and I don't in a way,
but we need to keep the people coming down here to fish and if they have nowhere to launch, we can just we can forget it. So, I just want you guys support to let me keep digging and doing what I do best, sticking my nose and stuff. So, yeah, I appreciate your
leadership on this, Sharon. I absolutely support that. I think at a minimum we can get the uh the existing ramp working where we did have a program that was there for many years and uh and and then at a maximum maybe we can we can get this other ramp going.
I spoke with Lisa and she does has concern about the existing ramp, but I don't think that they're insurmountable that we couldn't get over them. Um, I' I' I'd like to try to do the existing
ramp and and if it fails, then move. I want Lisa to come up. This is She told me she wanted to talk, so that's why she's coming up. All right. Um, you know, I don't have anything against the guides. I of course want the guides to succeed.
Um, the only problem I have with the existing ramp is it is right in the middle of the marina. Um, there is huge boats all around it. I'm going to have a hardship renting out those boat slopes. Nobody's going to want to be there if 30 guides are launching in the morning. Nobody's going to want to be there. And
that's thousands of dollars coming out of the marina money. So, I mean, that's my only concern with that ramp. Um, you know, we've always charged for the trailer lot. Always. It's not a new thing. We've always charged it. It just went up to 225, but we've always
charged. Um, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is if we can get that ramp. I mean, I would prefer that ramp to go than the main ramp. I do. only because it's going to affect the marina.
And if I'm not supposed to be making money, somebody please tell me because I can stop working so hard. I mean, because it will affect I have You're going to go past T do. You're going to go past Long Dock. I had a 100footer sitting out there. The last thing he wants is 30 guides going past him in the
morning. Um, so that's just the way I feel about it. you guys are going to make your decision. But, um, you know, I feel as though the marine is an important part. They bring in a lot of money. Not $8 million, but they bring in a lot of money.
So, I mean, it is what it is. So, taking her feelings into consideration, can I keep digging? Yes. Yes. I say keep doing keep doing the studies. Get with all of these guys. We can work it out. Is that okay? Do the studies. It's not costing us anything. Keep going. Okay.
Deb, are you okay with that? Oh, really? That's okay. Okay. Well, thanks. And I did talk to Deb after I talked to you, so I didn't lie. No, I didn't think you you wouldn't do that. Thank you for coming up here. I didn't mean to put you on the spot. Okay. So, um Ron, I'll get
with you. And Peter, I'll get with you about the grants and uh um thank you guys for showing up and I I've got your back. I'm going to try to make this work for you. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay, AJ, come to the hot seat.
Good evening. Um, I just wanted to give you guys an update on uh the progress that we've been making at the fills. Um so just recently we've gone ahead and have removed the asphalt parking areas uh along the fills and by the end of the
month we should complete our portion of that project which uh pending we still have to do soding around the u the bike path areas and then also the striping uh in those areas. Um currently,
um we will continue our our monitoring of the area through the summer and then to the end of the summer. Um at that point, DOT's project will be a landscaping project and that'll begin and part of that project is the
landscaping of all of those parking areas and then continuous all the way down. Um let's see. So yeah, the cones and the barriers will remain during that time um up until DOT's project and then we will
start removing those. And the DOT project is so it's spring of 26. Is that right? No, I think it the last I checked it. So it's currently out to bid right now. The bids will be fall of 25. Yes, it'll be the end of the summer,
beginning of fall uh is when they'll have the notice to proceed. Um and it'll be a continuous project. It goes all the way from um Seot Beach area in lower Matt all the way north to the uh the rest stop area uh mile marker 80 81.
Do they have a estimated time of finishing the project? So we're talking about starting the project in the fall. though. It's I don't remember specifically what the timing um it will be part of their bid as far as their their project timeline, but those bids
are due back at the end of the month. Okay. Does anybody have anything for AJ? Do you do you have any update on Sorry, it's okay. Well, you
asked. Do you have any update on um uh FD do uh fish and wildlife uh the southern end of that where the old boat ramp was of their intents and actions?
Um currently DP is working on a yeah sorry D is working on uh two locations uh for kayak or kayak launching. Uh both of them are uh one is for their lignum key state park and the other one's for Indian ki state park. Uh so those two
areas we did not remove any parking and access um but they are currently working on uh a project uh proposed to do time frames. I do not have a time frame for them now. Okay. Deb, are you are you referring to that one that's kind of um
just to the north of the previously existing one that was an old ramp on the films? No, I was actually referring to the the one that was in use that got tore up that they didn't really want to call a ramp. They wanted to call it a boat launch cuz I didn't think anybody
was moving forward with the um the very old one, the one that the uh Mangroves have taken over that one. I didn't think anybody was No, there was no not that's not a consideration. No, I think the last consideration was in
the villages hand. We gave up that lease. Correct. Anna, you have anything? Don. Okay. AJ, let me ask you a question about since we're going to oversee it through the summer, how does that affect
us overtime wise? Uh it's the our budgeted overtime. We have that in our current budget uh for that and then we've been doing it for five, six years now. Oh my goodness gracious. Okay. All right. Thank you, Aaron. Aaron's here from the water
company. Where is he? There he is. Good. Good evening. I'm Aaron Cutler. I'm the project management consultant for the Florida Keys Aqueduct Authority on the Plantation Key transmission main uh replacement project. And I want to give the council just a brief update tonight on where we're at. Put my
glasses on here. So, if you could turn to the next slide, please. Okay. Thank you, AJ. Okay. So, I think uh last time I was here, I introduced our project team. Obviously, this project is um owned by the Florida Keys Aqueduct Authority. Um I have a
counterpart who's the construction engineer on this project, which is Wade Trim. Um I myself is and the project manager. We have a public information officer, which is uh conceptual communication. And the contractor on this project is the same contractor that
we had on Isa Marada Windley Key, which is Michael's pipeline. They're a very good uh nationwide renowned pipeline contractor. And so we have some other community partners. Let me just make sure I get this right. Okay. Oops. Too
many. There we go. Um so some good news. I think this is a timely update because everybody who's been dealing with this um you know excessive traffic situation for the past couple months um we've just now pretty much we're wrapping up um the
final things on the drilling process but we got through the most difficult part of the project. So we really appreciate the community's patience and the council's support and the village from you know when we started in Alam Marada you guys have supported us well but probably the most difficult part of this
project was what we just encountered and that was because we had to do the tavern crossing drill which requires a stationary and do the open cut steel portion at the same time. Okay. So, that was a very difficult um couple months
there, but we're as of Wednesday of last week, we pulled the HTPE pipe. A lot of you guys witnessed and seen that. So, that came through. Currently, right now, they're um just wrapping up getting the pipe put exactly where it needs to go because the welded pipe that you see in
the photo there is going to be connecting to that. And it has to be just so so that um what's pre-manufactured comes down and everything fits into place properly. So, um, with that being said, they have to test that pipe. So, we're shooting, we got about a week, we think, um, there's
some hard rock there where they're moving that into place, and it's taking a little bit more time than anticipated, but we're we're targeting that. Um, hopefully by this time next week, there's no um, travel impacts in that section from mile marker 90 going up to
the other side of the Tavanir Creek Bridge. And um it'll be quite some time, which I'll show on my map here in a second, before the rolling um you know, the steel pipe gets to that location. So, we're going to have a good relief period um based on what we've been dealing with. So, um right now, just
some of the updates we have for the pipe that's been installed, um you know, there's 34,000 ft of transmission main pipe on this project, and we've got just under 8,000, if you count the HDPE, we've got just under 8,000 ft of pipe in the ground. And as you know, it's a
24-hour day operation. Um, these guys are working really hard out there. They've got um, you know, they started in February and they've got just over about 23% of the pipe already installed, which is a really good thing. And we have some ways to even advance the project further um, as we progress that
we're going to look into. Um, but currently the crews are working at the south end of the project. They're going to continue working from south to north. basically right out in front of Founders Park with the steel pipe. That um operation usually moves forward um about 1,000 ft of a at a time. You'll see the
move a little bit basically every week. It's always our goal to get from 1,000 to,500 ft a week. Um and they've been pretty good at doing that from the onset when we started way back at Table. Um we do expect the traffic flows to to to you
know flow more easily. the schools letting out the volume of traffic in the Keys right now, you know, especially Easter weekend and and what we were dealing with was a lot. Um, and there just so you guys know though, there was planning in place for this. I mean, they
they're restricted with how much lane impacts they can do through DOT. And part of that is there's blackout dates. So, the contractor had to find a three-month period within that two-year span of when they would have the least amount of impact because once that and
once that drill started, it couldn't stop or you'll lose your hole. So, they had to start that process and go for that 3 months and that's part of the the the time frame when they wanted to do it in February and finish in June. We had that 3 to four month span and that was the only time every other time of the
year we have blackout dates for you know lobster season, mini season, you know boat races, fantasy fest, all that stuff DOT puts on the calendar and you basically can't you know have a lane impact. So that's why it was done now. Um but we are on the other side of it
and um and basically next they're going to be flushing and and and demobilizing and getting that stuff out of it. A lot of the drill equipment has already been gone and I'm just trying to read that bottom one. Um, so they're saying May 15th is our target, but I think we're going to beat that just like the drill.
I mean, we are planning for 3 to four months. We finished it in two months. So, um, we still think by the by the middle of next week, I think we're going to have the lane fully opened up. So, this is our kind of our key map that um, we're going off of, and we try
to update this monthly. So, every time you guys invite me back here, I'll I'll I'll have this updated and colorcoordinated for you guys. But basically, in that where we're at now, we started just north of Snake Creek Bridge. And that first green section that you see there, that's the steel pipe that's being installed. And we're
basically right at the point right there by Founders Park. Um, so the crews are going to continue working at that. Like I mentioned before, that's a 24-hour a day operation. And the but what what you may see is part of the operations the way we did Windley and Alam Marada during the night they would trench ahead
and they would um backfill and then they would coat the pipe for the next day and then during the day they would lay the pipe but the traffic situation has been so bad and we're so sensitive to that that we basically flip that around. So at night we put in the pipe and that's
the best time where we can bring in rock and materials cuz if you try to bring in rock and materials during the day right now we're going to have to flag traffic and stop and it's going to cause nightmares. So we're accommodating the traffic situation as much as possible and doing the trenching and the light,
you know, moving in and out of the zone type of work during the day. And it's going to stay like that until we see that, you know, things have started to clear up and and we can we can we can switch um today. So we we'll be hopefully around mile marker 88 probably
sometime this fall around October. Um we'll continue through that. The goal is that we hit with the rolling umot that we hit the orange area near mile marker you know 89.5 um that we hit that around May of next
year. So if we hit that just right, we can get that best window of when school's out to come back through there with the rollingote. Um so so that's kind of what we're tracking now. Now, if we really get into a groove, we can advance the project. Um right now we're
restricted a little bit, but with the amount of pipe we can get from the the you know, the amount of raw steel they need to produce this pipe. Uh if we do get to a point where we get a backlog and we get enough pipe, we may send another crew um up to that red zone area north of Tavern Bridge and put that
section up to Julip Road in place um where we would have essentially have two segments working, but we were sensitive to the traffic and we wouldn't do that unless you know the um the traffic situation calmed down. So the big yellow segment that you see there, that's what basically just went in um for the Tavern
Creek crossing. And you and you can kind of see the geometry. That's what made the so um difficult because we had to be out in the lanes in order to cross that um that crossing. So, let me move forward here. Um so, theote moves in thousands of foot
increments. I I explained the night situation. Keep in mind it's 35 miles per hour per per the through the work zones. You'll see that through this rollingote, just like in Windley and Alam Marada, you can move pretty quick through there. the traffic really doesn't stop. As long as we're not
flagging or stopping people and and and the light situation without that stationary in place, this thing will start moving like like we did on the previous phases. Um, and we really really I can't say it enough appreciate everybody's patience, the community especially and the council and all the
support from the village. So always we we meet ahead with um there's a lot of communities that we're running up into and we're setting up separate meetings with them to make sure with those uh community associations they understand what the traffic control is going to be right in front of the community. We're working with every
school. We're actually um working with the monastery school even to get their access in and out making sure the kids can cross over here to Founders Park. So, we've we've just really taken a hands-on approach with the community and the public to make sure we can all get through this. And there's a QR code here
that you can scan if you want any updates or to get on the mailing list. There's several numbers and emails if you need support or afterhour support. There's um we have dedicated social media pages um that you can follow at FKAA water and there's also uh
information updates right here on at the frequently um asked questions page there for Plantation Key. And with that, I think that's it. So if there's any questions from the council, anybody have anything? I have one. I I assume from
the what you were saying that Memorial Day weekend is also a a blackout period in Yeah, believe it or not, FDOT didn't set that, but that's it. I don't I don't know why, but FKAA it's a observed holiday for them. So, they're they're already said no work. Um so that there
will not be any work on Memorial Day weekend. Um, yeah, the weekend all the way through the basically from that Friday up until they they'll probably set because it's a 24-hour. They'll probably set at midnight on Tuesday. Okay. Yeah. Yes, ma'am. On Yeah. Monday night, Tuesday morning. Exactly.
Whichever way. You got it. However you look at it. Thank you. Go ahead, Steve. So, uh, I've just received a few complaints about people that live on Woods Avenue or across from the high school and, um, and and they're not, say, driving to the high school because of the the traffic situation, which then
makes it a frogger situation to walk across because the only time that that crossing is being monitored is when school is in and there's a crossing there that's physically hitting that button. Is that outside of the realm of possibility to have a pedestrian crosswalk there? Yeah, we addressed that
situation specific to Woods and we met with the schools and law enforcement and the way that we managed that is the rest of the lights like Ocean and Royal Puniana those areas the the lights were being adjusted so that you could keep north southbound flowing the longest.
But during the school drop off and pickup times there's supposed to be a crossing guard at Woods that that light gets manned based on crossing so that K children can cross at that Woods intersection. So, that has been going on for the duration. But what we've also
done is every one of these intersections, I think we've deployed right now um three Monroe County Sheriff's Office vehicles that our project is just paying for to make sure there's visual police presence at key points like at the ocean um intersection, the the Royal Puniana, as
well as when we're at the way station. And those are going out like from 2 to 6 every day. And and the main thing that that's been effective for is part of the traffic situation is people that are going the old highway route and trying to cut back in or being aggressive to cut back in. That was causing a lot of
problems and even some accidents. So, we put the law enforcement out there and we're going to keep them there for the time being. Um we're going to kind of see how it goes once we get the o the stationary fully opened up and and if we feel we still need some enforcement, we're in constant communication with law
enforcement and we'll do that. But making sure that intersection at Woods, to answer your question, that is supposed to be during those school pickup drop off times, there's supposed to be a crossing um guard there. Yeah. But outside of those times, there's no way to get across to to change that
light. No. And I think that's part of the just controlling the north southbound. They they didn't want to impede that outside of those times to keep traffic flowing. There has been one there in in the afternoons and evenings. Oh yeah. Yeah. uh like a from the 2 to 6 there has been
a sheriff's office sitting there because I personally have in the afternoons been riding my bike back to work and riding my bike home and he makes sure that the traffic is stopped and I can cross right there at woods. Good. All right. They've been roving too. I'm glad you brought that up because we we told them in
general but as needed they rove between those intersections. So yeah, Don, do you have anything? No, I think it was pretty cool watching them do that Tavanir Creek uh crossing and I watched the whole thing at at Papa Joe's, too.
When is the one at Snake Creek going to happen? So, they're in permit. I think the last I heard from FKA is that um you know, it took a little bit of time to get the Army Corps permit. Um and there was some issues with the that bridge project that's coming up. So, they actually had to change the design on
that. I heard October of this year is when it's supposed to go to bid. Um they're also trying to time, you know, with this traffic situation. The good thing about that one though, that's all the way there's enough room just like the tea table and the Well Harbor so we won't impact traffic when those when
those go. So is that going to take place on the ocean side of the highway or the bay side of the highway? It'll be on the bay side. On the bay side. So they'll be in front of Isa Marine and then Yes, sir. Snake Creek. Yes, sir. And we we found on our Plantation Key project, we found a a group of utilities there just
on the north side of Snake Creek that changed a little bit on the design. So, we've already updated the Snake Creek and the engineer that's working on that. We've given him the information we've learned on our Plantation Key project. So, he's implementing those changes just so we get in the right spot and and and
all that goes smooth. So, it's awesome. Thank you so much. Well, I greatly appreciate what you guys are doing and yeah, people call and complain, but We have to have water. Yes, ma'am. And it has to be done. So, I appreciate you guys work fast. You're polite. I have no
issue and I greatly appreciate you keeping us updated. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Would you take any public comment on that? Just a couple of quick comments. You guys okay with that? Oh, well, yeah. Go ahead. Let him. Joe, what do you want to say? Come on up. You want
to send a question? Yes. Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. Thank you very much. The issue that I want to address, my wife is a school teacher. She leaves school, not when the kids do, and the other day it took her over 30 minutes to get home. I live in the
colony. She tried to come out at Woods A and cross and the policeman would not let her and sent her south. So, she had to go a mile before she could come out on US1 and then fight that traffic all the way back. I also know uh some people
that live like on B Street and all took them over 30 minutes just to get to Wind Dixie. Isn't there something you can do that you know residents that live in the colony or live there can can we show them and that we live there and get have
the police give us permission to come out. Yeah, that would be very helpful to those who work in that area. Thank you. Erin, do you want to say something? Yeah, I mean I I understand the concern and it's something we've had to deal with from the beginning of the project.
And I think just if you can look at the big picture, um the difficult part of that is the more people that come in through Old Highway and into the north southbound, it slows it down for everybody else. So the more they allow, if you look at the bigger picture, the slower everything is going to be. So
they've tried to come take the hardline approach on that just to make the most benefit for everybody. But there's times and I I hear I hear you where there's either a fender bender or a construction situation where I mean I I've heard times way longer than that even. So we we're very sensitive to it. We
understand. Um the good news is that we're we're about a week away from opening that up. So hopefully whatever you guys have dealt with and we're we understand that we're almost out of it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very very much. Okay. All righty. Um, public
comment, something that doesn't have to do with the agenda. Marne. Okay. First up, we have Sandy Williams. Good afternoon, council. Um, I'm Sandy Williams. I live on Laura Madakumbi in Port Antigua, and I am the turtle lady.
I monitor what was Sea Ots Beach and now the beach down in front of the houses for nesting sea turtles. Unfortunately, last week the village gave a permit to some people to build a
rock wall that is this high. I have a picture if anybody wants to see it. so they could fill in their lot and supposedly build a house because they paid a hundred a million dollars for what is a garage. Um, the turtles can't get up on
the beach, which is their goal, I suppose. But I've talked with DP, I've talked with FWC, I've talked with the core of engineers, and they all say that it's absolutely wrong what was done and that it was done under the guise of,
well, this isn't going these two houses, three houses are not going to be a Turtle Beach anymore. That's just not legal. And it's going to take a while for these people to move forward and get this done. But
it would be wonderful if in the meantime, the council just decided that this permit was issued erroneously and have this rock wall taken back out. It's been concreted in, taken back out. So the turtles that are already starting to
nest and come up on the beach have access to their historical nesting platform. Um, Jennifer, do you want to address this, please? Sure, I can speak um to that. So, the permit was not issued erroneously. The the property is not
mapped as a Turtle Beach, so on our um Turtle Beach map, so it was issued correctly. They did concrete in the rock wall, which is um not allowed. Um Daniel did uh go out there and they are removing that uh concrete currently. So,
they are taking care of that, but it is not a turtle beach. FWC I'm sorry go ahead FWC D myself everyone else knows it is a turtle beach because we have documentation going back years of turtles nesting there how can we get an
updated turtle beach design or whatever you would call it's on our website the map on our website is current so I'm confused then so it's not correct according to anybody but the village can
we look into that. Ron, we already Oh, we already are. I I went I was out there last week for the co speech cleanup and we spoke and then I followed up with staff and they they are taking out the concrete wall which is definitely not supposed to be there and we're going to be talking with the state and figuring out if it acts as a turtle nesting beach
or not. Please do. Since it's an active, in our estimation, it's an active turtle nesting beach. How are they going to manage to take out the concrete without disturbing the turtles? get it. Yeah. I don't know how you would
do that, but if it's not supposed to be there, it has to be taken down. And so I don't know. We have no choice but to take it down. I'm sorry. Has anyone at the village been in contact with FWC, D, Core of Engineers? That's what I just
asked him to please let look into it and let me know. So So Ron, you'll do that, correct? Okay. Okay. Thank you for your consideration. The turtles appreciate it. I know they do. Thank you. Appreciate that. Marne,
next up is Joe Wish Meer. Yes, Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. Mayor and Council, I would like to take this opportunity to welcome our new village manager. This would be a great time for all of us to bring unity and transparency to our government and residents of our divided community. We
desperately need someone to bring our community back together. I believe Mr. Saunders can do this given the opportunity. Our previous manager started a weekly newsletter to help keep the public informed and involved, which has been very helpful. I hope that this
will continue. Your commitment to reunite this community and get more public input by addressing issues that have been put off time and time again is very refreshing. Suggesting a town hall meeting about a
village owned property as stated in your newsletter is a great idea. I would hope that you will hold general town hall meetings to give the public a chance to give you ideas and opinions that we're unable to do at regular council
meetings. What a great way to get the community back involved and together again. Important hot topics to get more community import input would be like the new comp plan and LDRs. We did have one successful meeting so far, but we need
more wastewater. Haven't heard a thing about the wastewater and going to Keargo since Rob Cole resigned. the fills, which we started talking about tonight, going on forever, just to name a few. Speaking about the fills, since our
lease with FDOT has expired, why are we still paying all these employees overtime to babysit the fills? Every weekend, multiple vehicles and employees are present. Sun this last Sunday, I observed three vehicles at the fills.
One more on lower matakumbi picking up trash along US1. First of all, trash pickup should be done during the week and not an overtime schedule. Second, I don't know what authority the employees have at the fills as there were at least
two cars illegally parked. This is a waste of our hardearned taxpayer dollars for property the village does not even own. You could do the same thing if you have to with just one and actually have them drive up and down. Regarding the baseball field, I attended a very
successful workshop with schoolboard representatives and we were assured that there would be more to keep the public informed. That never happened and then this plan came up that was completely unacceptable. Thank you for addressing this issue tonight. Lastly, I would like
to thank Mr. Horton for his due diligence in addressing the major issue at Legoland uh Sun Community. I also would like to congratulate the fire department on a very successful barbecue. The food and the live music were great and I'm glad to see how many
people attended. Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Marne. Next, excuse me. Next is Diane Harbaugh. Hi, council. My name is Diane Harba. I live in Alam Marada. just have a couple quick things to say. One of them is
congratulations, Ron. And congratulations to you guys for doing it unanimously. That was that was very good. Um, and then when we move things on the agenda at these meetings, like we did this earlier today, we said like number seven is going to come off
consent and go on to um one of the other agenda places. The things that we have over here are A to Z, not one to three. So, we don't know what seven is. So, if you could help us when you do that, you
guys have a whole big book of agenda. We have three pages, thank God. And if you could help us with that when you do move something and give us that ABC number, it would really help. And I don't stay for these meetings very often. I'm going to stay a little bit tonight, but I do
watch from home. So y'all know I'm watching. Thanks Diane. Marne, did you want to say something? John, I was just going to let everybody know it's Roman numeral 9B was what was moved. B is in boy. Everybody got that? Got it.
My next up is Barry Ray. Greetings Barry Ray, village of Isa Marada. Ron, happy to see you here, buddy. That's good to see. So, we're a small town and Sharon, thank you for the moment of
silence. Hard hard to hear that this morning. I heard Rick Ramsey describing it on the radio. Um, I came to announce another child that we lost 5 years ago. We have Pascal's Way 5K this weekend on Saturday
uh at Treasure Village. kind of a mess with all the uh construction going on, but it's a small race, but we encourage everybody if they can make it um and they want to come walk, run, or just donate. You can donate at run sign up.
I'm going to leave a few flyers here on the table for folks. Uh it's actually um a fundraiser that goes from May 1st to May 31st, you know, so you can do it virtually any time of the month or just donate. And all the money goes to either
high school scholarships or to support science programs at our great schools here. So it all goes to back right back into the community. And again, you know, it's tough to find out we lost another child. So, um, on another note, um, I
think there are some solutions for the boat ramps. I'm happy to hear you guys are working on that. Uh, Don, I'm happy to hear you're working on whatever it is they got away with over there. That is just ridiculous. And we all feel the same way. And um, if I can help in any
way, please uh, give me a call. I definitely think I have some ideas on the boat ramp solution, Sharon. So maybe we ought to talk outside of here, right? Thank you all again. Welcome, Ron. Good to see you. Thank you. Thank you, B. Marne. Next up is Roland Moore.
Wow, there's been so much said tonight. I don't know where to start, but uh I just have a comment to to thank the village council for the members in helping with I care and we had the most
fantastic Sunday out on on Founders Park. Uh my son came up to Peter Frasa and introduced himself and Peter said he knew he he knew me. But in any event, my son won third third place prize for
picking up a,000 pounds of wow of of garbage, which was just amazing. But what we found out was that this was just a small amount of of the huge amount. And by the way, with all due respect,
the the pickup included founders u the the fill. So there there were a whole group of of of kids and I call them kids that were out on the fill and we picked up a tremendous amount of of uh trash
which was brought here. And so again, I want to thank um you know, everyone in the village that was involved in this because we we need more of this. You know, it it's just amazing. Uh where I live down on the the infamous Sunset
Beach, I go out there and clean up trash practically every day. So, I want to again thank everyone here with with the council for supporting what we did with I Care and and uh and Founders Park.
Thank you. Thanks, Roland Martney. Next up is Captain Ed Davidson, and he will have five minutes. For the record, I am Captain Ed Davidson, Florida Keys Citizens Coalition Chair, longestablished
501c3, also a four-year elected uh former county school board member. Um, I want to congratulate our new village manager, Ron Saunders, because I have witnessed many of his noteworthy accomplishments during his
long previous public service career and expect him to effectively address many lingering problems in this community. Uh but that can only be accomplished by a frank assessment of the true nature and origin of some of our lingering problems
especially when that is previously a matter of public record things that have been said whether people are taking them back now. Uh there has been a second deliberate endr run around the citizenry of Alam Marada by some members of the
school board and facilities director Pat Lefair's large baseball stadium and artificial turf field construction crusade. They signed the first $5 million design build contract on the 14th of November 2023 after two years of
contractor negotiations without originally consulting the Alamada Village Council or the taxpayer owners of the founders family nature park at which meeting now chair then former board member Mindy Khan stated on the record that the board should demand
quote right to use first and foremost unquote expanded over 12 months. Director Lefair agreed with that proposed demand and despite being strongly criticized on camera by members Andy Griffith and John Dick for keeping
Alam Maradudans in the dark, he has done it again in orchestrating the issue of a second RFQ and the subsequent signing of a second $5 million design build contract. not a design contract, a design build
contract on 11th February 2005 without the citizenry or full village council of Alam Marada having been briefed or consulted once again. By the way, the second $5 million
contract was approved on the consent agenda with no discussion and no public comment. Later in the the prior 14 August 23 meeting, Director Lefair repeated board member Mindy Khan's intent to demand 12-month exclusive
school system multiports use of these expanded facilities and new stadium, including the intent to fence it off and lock it up all year. This is a blatant publicly stated on
camera intent to essentially commander a significant portion of our family nature park which they do not own. And by the way, uh the original permit they once had uh was 23 years old and has expired.
Uh, few citizens are aware that the very limited baseball use permit the school system did once have before they let it lapse granted usage for only 2:30 in the afternoon to sunset Monday through Friday specifically quote with no
weekend use required unquote 19 weeks January through May the other eight months being 100% belonging to the taxpayers of Alamrada. This is the permit and that's exactly what it says. The primary purpose of the large
twin tower pedestrian formally proposed across US1 at the founders park entrance was to facilitate commercial entertainment and large attendance events. So surely once a large new stadium is constructed such an intrusive bridge
concept will likely be resurrected fostering further commercialization of our family park. lots of expanded parking and more frequent fun miles long traffic jams. Uh here's the bridge. Remember the first occasion when
director Lefir finally did come to Alamra to deliver a public briefing on the ballfield expansion. He agreed with then temporary manager Kimberly that his presentation would not be televised or zoomed and only the people that made it to this room got any new information at
all. The rest of the population is still pretty much as much in the dark as they were. Um the most interesting note and this is the notice. Um, it it says public comment should be submitted by 9:00 a.m. Uh, public comment will be
sent to staff members for consideration prior to the meeting. Uh, that doesn't sound like constitutional first amendment participation in government. Uh, that sounds like uh keeping the public in the dark on purpose. Now,
people changing their stories now and and I expect Ron will make them behave themselves uh a great deal more, but that's what they intended to do and they said it in public and they said it on camera. Thank you. Appreciate there's no one else signed up, ma'am.
Okay. Public comment is now closed. Okay. All right. Let's move on to the citizen advisory committee reports and appointments. Morning. First up, we have our appointments to village committees. Um, I distributed
prior to the meeting a um a straw poll kind of ballot for you all to um select the folks that you would like to choose to serve on each um committee. um whether they're a new
applicant is noted here. Um how many years they have served is noted and we would like to begin the staggering this time. So that's going to take uh the council deciding how to implement that. So that is a column here. So I'm hoping
that all of you can go through and make your selections um as far as uh each committee. Um there are a few folks that are not expiring until 2026 and on your
so-called ballots um they are indicated in pink. So those folks are um not expiring this time. Um there are because of particular um requirements of the LPA
there are two folks who have uh turned out and in order to be reappointed um do require a supermajority vote that is four fifths of the council. Um other than that uh it will be a you know it'll
be a a simple majority for the rest of the appointments. Um, I am open to suggestions on how you would like to tabulate the votes. Um, as always, we have a space for your name. So, if you use these, you do need to indicate your
name so that will become public record. Um, but I'm happy to take any questions. Um, do you want us to do this now or do you want to bring it back Thursday with what how we voted? That is up to you. Well, that's up to everybody. But I mean, I I don't know if
you want to take time now to do it or do we want to bring it home and bring it back on Thursday and put all their names in a straw hat and and figure out which ones get the two years and which one get the one year? That would be the only fair way to do it really. That's what I
think. Anybody got anything? Why not do where the ones that are already serving and can we want to continue to serve? let them be the one-year term since they've already been on these committees and let the new people have the two-year and then I would start the but it's not going to be even numbers is you're going
to have some of them are going to be more than the new ones coming on you know what I mean yeah but some of them don't come off anybody else got anything and while we're at I would have said just the opposite of that is let the the two-year people help educate the new people and
lead them for two years so whatever ever. Also, while we're at it, I think that we should make this more go for clarity and consistency and do it so that all the committees have the same rules. Yes.
Whereas like LPA, they shouldn't be special. No. That way you're not it's it's not confusing. No matter what committee you're looking at, it's it's the same across the board. Unified. Yeah. Yes. I agree. Every all decisions are made in May. Yep. to your terms.
Don, do you have any ringling around there? Also, are you also suggesting that they that all of the committees have the same terms as the LPA that they serve two-year terms and then can be renewed and they term out at four years
except for a super majority? Yeah, I think I would I would suggest that we do away with the supermajority and if we want them on there that they can stay on. They just need the majority vote. I'm good with that. I I think uh um don't don't make it any more
complicated. I think it should be unified 100%. I do too. And I don't think the LPA should be different. And and speaking of unification, I think in the ordinance we need to match what the code says for HPC. Yeah. Aren't you thorough?
I am 12 which HPC says ordinance says five and the code says seven that that was the there was a subsequent ordinance that amended it to make it seven. So, but in the one when we were talking the other day, yeah, it that was uh up it should have been
updated in civic clerk, but so the the code is the correct one. Said, yeah. Yeah, the code is the correct one. It was uh the ordinance was what? Revised, but somebody actually Yes, ma'am. Thank you, Don. You raised your hand. That's so considerate. So, why don't we maybe
we can do this. Maybe we can take our first stab at it, see where we're at, and move on to the next part of the agenda while this first thing's being tallied. Yeah, that's why we keep going. See where we're at. Yeah. So, we don't sit and wait for it to be tallied. We
just move on to the next agenda item. So, you want to take a couple of minutes now and mark. Especially, you have a lot of these people here that are So, do you want to put the point with the question mark where we put an X on there? Is that what that's for? Um, you can do it however you like it. That was kind of the idea is would you like to appoint
these people put a check mark or an act something to indicate yes or or no? So are we just are we are we putting our recommendations for first and second year or are we only doing the appointment at this point? Say that
again. Are we There's two columns to fill out. One's the appointment and one's for first and sec. I say we leave the first and second year blank. Figure out a way figure out that when we find out who put them in a hat and just draw for the first year. That would fair. Okay.
Probably. So, go ahead and everybody. Okay. So, we're going to need a couple minutes. Yeah. Okay. And is it everybody? If there's vacancies, then you could appoint all of them. Yeah. If you want to. Yeah. Happy birthday. [Applause]
One more question, Marne. As I was arriving, I found two emails. Those additional people are on these sheets, right? That is correct. Those people have been added. Two, three, four, five, six. I need one
more. Okay. Six. [Applause] 6 8 9 10. So on the parks and racks it says 10 and there's 10 who were already on it.
Correct. There were 11, but one requested. So, it says up to 10. So, you're just going to pick 10. You can pick those 10 or you can knock somebody off. [Applause] Okay, Marne, are you going to collect
these So we pass them down or throw them in front. Just a reminder, please make sure your name is on it for public records purposes. So John Quick goes on here. If you aren't voting, okay, thank you. I say we put their name in the hat
and whatever. I don't care. I'm just asking Yeah, me too. [Applause] You must have did this before. I'm just smart. I did, but I didn't have the sheets. I know. I had it all done and thought
two additions kind of threw a kink in it. What did I do? So, the people in red are not on for they don't expire till 2026. So, it's blue people and the green people you got to pick from. But you only need Well, aren't they already on there though? If I They're not But
they're not up for appointment. It's the people in blue and green that you're picking from. So, you have to pick three more out of the blue and green. Well, that still gives me seven. 1 2 3. You just don't count them then. What is the difference if they're already on?
1 2 Oh, I said I'm sorry. You're right. Sorry. Jeez. Oh, here. I'm thinking, well, what does it mean? I'm sorry. I just looked quickly and I was like, Sharon made a boo boo. No, she didn't. Wow. Could have taken a break.
I could have I know. I didn't think they I need a stamp. I'm glad I did my homework. Oh, okay. We got you. Huh? I know. He takes this pretty seriously, doesn't he? Well, while we're doing this, uh, tab,
what is it? Tab 16. No, I'll get it right. Tab. I'll get the right tab number. No, tab 18 refers to the committees. Do we want
to discuss that while we're talking committees or not? We talked about we talked about it, but we didn't vote on it or anything. So, Got that one. Okay. One, two. Oh, I thought we didn't have
to fill that cup. Oh, we don't. Okay. Are you watching me? Yes, I am. Somebody's got to keep an eye on you, right? Somebody does. Yeah. I didn't see Carla out there. Uh, and then I could I could check all these. Okay. Sorry. I'm sorry. Oh my god. Okay,
we're back or Steve. I wanted I would have should have taken I wish I would have had these. I'd have taken them home. Well, that's what I suggested and you guys wanted to do it now. Well, we can start. Okay. I got to get somewhere. Don't look.
All right. Do we wait on Steve? Yeah. Should we just go ahead and let Diana Harbo to come up? Diane, if you're nearshore water report, please. Okay. I'll fight Mark. Hi, Council Diane Harbaugh back again.
I'm the uh chairperson for the nearshore water advisory committee and I just wanted to update you on what we've been up to and can you be quiet in the room, whoever's talking, please. Okay, go ahead, Diane. Sorry. No worries. Thank you. Um, the committee received input
from a resident on Woods Avenue about vessels running in the shallow areas in San Pedro Lake, which is right behind the elementary school. And it's very shallow back in there. Um, the local reported signage in the area is
submerged. So, the committee is going to verify it what and where the signage is. Um, since this report was put, we don't find where the village put signage there, but we're still digging into it. Um, we're also going to talk about the
feasibility down the road of a no motor zone possibly in that area. So, um, that's what's going on there. Um, Captain Quantero updated us on the arrival of the new sheriff's boat, which I've personally been on. It's very, very nice. Um, it needs a few items, but will
we be ready for the busy season? So, in the next couple of weeks, um I saw they splashed it the other day, so they're they're getting ready. She assured us, um that there will have more deputies on the water during the busy holiday weekends. So, um they're they're really
trying to do what they can there. Um, we had a robust discussion about a holistic management for Marada's nearshore waters and open to new ideas and how we can do the whole village instead of a piece by
piece. Um, exploratory conversation took place including building on the village current idle only 300 ft from shore ordinance and the feasibility um to include no anchoring in those areas. The committee will be exploring
the use of aerial imagery and baometric composition resources to identify problem areas and more strategies on how to make a whole plan come together. If you haven't noticed, um there are bird stakes now out across
from Papa Joe's. That's done through DP and that's the state owns that area there. Um, so they're on that flat near Papa Joe's, hopefully keeping people from running off Papa Joe's straight down the power lines. Lignum State Park is also working on permitting for buoys
and permanent signs in that area. So, they are really taking a good approach to try to protect those flats right there. Um, the village is working with Ligenite and other regulatory agencies to make Stark's Wheel Ditch behind Robbies um a slow speed minimum wake
area. and Sharon was at our meeting and I thank you for coming very much and we really appreciate you being there. Um we we're trying to make that Starks Wheel ditch so um it is slow speed idle only. The committee would like to reiterate our position on the boat ramp at
Founders Park from August 15th in 2023 as follows. After some discussion of possible alternatives to creating a new boat ramp at Founders Park, the nearshore water committee unanimously passed a motion to reinstate the old program for guides
with access to the existing boat ramp from 6:00 a.m. to 900 p.m. for no more than 10 guides at market rate. We believe that this would be the most cost-effective and environmentally responsible option to protect working
waterfront for the guide community in Alam Marada. This would be a great starting point and could be implemented fairly quickly and could also give you a baseline of how that all really does work if we use the current ramp. So,
that's that's our recommendation. And there's one more thing that didn't make it in your packet, and I'm sorry for that, and that's my fault. Um, we we were getting some help from staff, and so it didn't quite make it in there, but charters operating out of residential neighborhoods seem to be happening at
increasing numbers. Um, Ron said that he would look into that. Him and Alyssa have done so. And what we have found out is in response to our conversation regarding charter operations out of residential homes, I wanted to point out
that the village does have a home occupation code which would typically govern the this activity. However, on July 21st or on July 2021, the state of Florida preempted home rule in regards
to home occupations with House Bill 403. The basic gist is that it prohibits municipalities from enacting or enforcing any ordinance, regulation, or policy or otherwise regulating any
homebased business. Therefore, there is no action that can be taken by village code department regarding home occupations. There is noise ordinances, parking complaints, and other things that can be addressed by the village.
But to actually say you can't run a charter out of your home is not um enforceable by the village. So, that was the most recent update on that. And that does conclude my report. Any questions? Anybody have questions for Diane? No.
Thank you very much. Thank you guys. Okay. Alrighty. Moving along. Mayor Council communication. I have just two things on there. Um Paul Minning, he told me his name's like winning, but it's Minnie because everybody calls him
the wrong name. Uh has 11 days left to vote for the name you like best for Mangrove Mike of the dog park. So go to the village website and place your vote. He is working to get uh the name picked and the committee who he has will get it
a nice bronze put up. He's dealt with Maria where to put it. So we'll move we'll should have that in June. Okay. Um I also want to encourage everybody. Where is Stephanie? Can I announce she's our PIO officer? Raise your hand.
Stephanie has worked really hard on we now have a village newsletter and uh Stephanie doesn't want to bombard anybody on um just to send it to your personal email. She wants you to say I want it. So I'm sure Stephanie tonight
would be glad to take anybody's uh email address who would like to read signup sheet on the table. Oh, there's a signup sheet. Please do that. I The first newsletter was wonderful. I greatly enjoyed it. You did a good job and uh any input anybody has, we want to make
it really good. So, sign up. Okay. All right. Good job, Stephanie. I like Don's profile. That was good. I do, too. All right. Those um those people at home, just you can email Stephanie. I'm sure she'll be happy to take your email. Yes.
Yes. Thank you very much, Stephanie. Good job. Um okay. Village attorney, village manager, communication. I believe Ron Showtime. Showtime. Uh trying to address a few issues. Uh in my first two weeks, I got a lot of input from the public,
which I appreciated. Uh been out to a lot of community organizations, uh different events, been accessible by phone and email. One issue that came up uh pretty often was the issue of village zone property. And there wasn't really a list. And so I asked Jennifer in
planning and she said, "You have to go to finance." And thanks to our finance director and her staff, we came up with a list which is in your tab four a lot more properties than I anticipated. Number one. Number two, surprisingly the village of Ala owns property and big
pine kargo and little torch k. Now our assumption is that most of these were mitigation lots are not buildable but we're looking back into the how we acquired them and so we anticipate that they're not buildable at all. So, I've talked twice including today with Cynthia Aguero, who is the executive
director of the Mono County Land Authority because they own property in Alamrada. And so, we're looking into a possibility maybe doing a swap where we'll give them the lots outside of village limits. We get the ones inside. Once again, probably no value, probably not buildable, but it makes us clean up
our list and their list and we're going to look at that. So, uh, we're going to probably have I've suggested having a town hall meeting, uh, where we can have these list available to the public and if people have ideas of what they think might go on there, it would be helpful to the council to hear the input. Uh,
Jennifer will help ush tell what kind of uses because unfortunately many of the uses people are suggesting are not permitted. And so, we're going to try to get the ball rolling though because they've been sitting on our on our asset records for years and nobody really knows what to do. Now, in addition to
the ones not buildable, we also have some high-profile properties, including the Island Community Church, uh the uh Silver and Spice property, uh the Machado property. What we're trying to do is the initial list didn't have the names in them. It was hard to tell what we're talking about. So, I've asked the
Cali with finance to come in and so we're trying to put the common names by them so people can identify which properties we're looking at. And so once again, a lot of people have suggestions particular on the high-profile properties, but we're kind of limited uh by code, etc. And also the Able City
East group are looking at the comprehensive land use plan. They will be incorporating some of these into that plan. So once again, no action tonight. This is just and I'm going to bring it up every meeting from now on until we know what we're doing these properties. I think the public needs to know, you know, what our t our plans are, if any,
but also to try to clean it up as far as that goes. We have some outstanding lots, for example, that were given to us in mitigation. Previous councils agreed there would be conservation easements on them. They were never executed. And so I'm working with the Isaac Walton League to try to get those in favor of Isaac
Walton just because they were given that way. We're not going to use them. We might as well make it official. So we're working with them on that. So, uh, on the any other questions on the properties, but once again, my intention would be to bring it up every meeting, every month from now on, uh, until we have a better direction as far as what
we're doing with the village properties. Okay. Anybody have anything for Ron? No, I just have one more suggestion is that if if these excuse me if these could be put on a a colorated map of some sort to
make it easy to um some of these addresses don't mean anything to me. And I'm talking about the ones within the village, not the ones on Big Pine or Little Torch. Just the stuff that's us. And once again, I think it'll be helpful when we get the the method they were
acquired because some of it will be very obvious we can't do anything. Some of them, for example, may have been acquired for affordable housing money. So, it's obviously something that may be intended for housing, but we may or may not want to do it. So, we we're trying to look into the legalities of what we can and can't do with Jennifer's assistance.
Okay. Anybody else? No. Thank you, Ron. I believe you have the uh also famous ball field. Once again, uh community input, a lot of questions about the baseball field. Um I've talked to all five Monro County Schoolboard members
individually. I know all five very well and uh we wanted to get a couple things straight from the beginning. One is that we all know that the village owns the ball field. So obviously we're a partner. uh they've all committed that they will not make any decisions, zero decisions without our input and we will
make that clear. My personally I've talked to additionally the school members Pat Lefir who was mentioned earlier he's the director of operations. He's kind of leading the charge of the school board. I've talked to him I think three times including today just to make sure that I have the latest information. Uh, a couple things I personally said
was I don't want to see any trees removed, particularly because some of them were actually mitigation trees for the original building of the park and I know it would create a lot of issues in the community if we started taking out if the school board took out some trees. He's agreed that that they are that's not in the plan. If there is a plan, but
if there is a tree removed, it's going to be a problem probably. Uh, secondly, we discussed about the joint use issue that we own the property. We want joint use of it. That'll be in a written agreement. there's not going to be any misunderstandings. We're going to know exactly how much the school board wants,
how much we want. Uh they can't keep us off our own field. So those are the two things that were kind of agreed to uh with the schoolboard members incl but Mr. Lefir works for them. And so I have a feeling that's what's going to happen. And thirdly, that nothing happens, no official action happens at the school
board without our uh not agreement yet, but our input. Obviously, it has to come to us. It's going to be interlocal agreement which we're going to have to sign. So in the end we'll have to agree but in the beginning I want to be involved unlike maybe in the past from the beginning. So no discussions no
agreements no proposals will come out without us having input at the beginning as opposed to the middle or the end. The final thing and I'll bring it up. Grass versus artificial turf. Um I've gotten a lot of input on that from both sides and I've recommended everyone has an issue with that go to the school board. Yeah.
they're going to have the meetings before we do. And if you have your biologists, your physicians, whatever arguments you have, take it to them. They're the ones paying for it, number one. In the end, we also have an obligation there, too. But that's a a battle that's going to take a lot of hours, and I'd rather have you spend
your time on more productive things. But any event, once again, I'm reminding the public, please go to the schoolboard meetings. They'll be noticed. If they don't notice, and they'll be in our newsletter, as you mentioned, we're doing a weekly newsletter. I'm trying to hit all these issues every week. And some of these we're going to talk every week. I'm the I asked Aqueduct for
example tonight to come. I want them here every meeting to give us progress updates on the pipeline, the traffic. Uh you know we we I asked um AJ to give us update on the fills. I'm going to ask him every meeting every month to come give us updates because even the update is that nothing's happening. That's an
update. If something is happening, then I want the public to hear it first here that they know what's going on. And once again, uh every week we'll have a newsletter. If anybody in the public has any questions, they can either contact me directly or put it in their own newsletters, but we will try to respond
as best as possible. And that's my discussion on the baseball field. And that was it. Any questions from council? There's a lot of rumors going around about the baseball field, but this is a park that belongs to the people. It's not a mini Coral Shores
High School. That's all I'm going to say for now. So you just know that we're going to make sure we are fully informed and know everything that's happening where I don't think anything will slide by us. So I appreciate it. Anybody else? Nope. No. Thank you. Okay. So now is it
Stephanie who gets to talk about the lights? There's our PIO officer. Hi council. Um, what you have in front of you is a discussion item for a proposal for uh a holiday lights. As you all know, the lease ended this past
holiday season with Holiday Escapes, which was our previous vendor. Um, I've been in communication with Sheila while she was interim. Um, trying to get a new proposal from them at a reduced cost from the previous proposal. So, what you have in front of you is a uh $59,000
proposal for a three-year lease. Um, it also takes into consideration some of the areas that you all had previously mentioned as areas of interest for Holiday Lights, um, including the sign at Founders Park as well as, um, I think
we took it out actually, as well as the entrance to the village. So, um, that's all for you all to discuss. That way we can go back to the vendor and kind of get a finalized contract going for June. Council, anybody have anything?
Yes, please. Sorry. That's okay. I um I apologize. I did not get my phone call made to you. Um if can you basically describe the uh where the
two groups of trees are that one's 10,000 and the other one's almost 12,000. Yeah, I understand the the um proposal can be a little confusing to read. It took me a second. So, the 11 large mahogany and buttonwood trees would be at the entrance to the park
before you hit the circle. Those 13 trees are if we want to add two additional trees in that same area. So, it's not 13 additional trees. It's just the two extra at that um added cost. So, it's it's in the the main drive coming in. It's not across the front. Correct.
say, "I thought we were talking 24 trees." No, no, it's just the 11. When I added that money up, I thought that came to $59,000 if I add both of those figures in. So, that's why I'm questioning. Um maybe I misadded. I could
have. Anyway, my my suggestion would would be um I I love the look of the trees. It's very expensive to wrap the trees. It's almost $1,000 a tree. Um, I think it would be nice if we could figure out how to run them across the
frontage road between the chamber and the administrative building on those trees instead instead of the ones on the drive in maybe. I don't It depends on how that's why I wanted to know where this was and I I apologize. No, it's
okay. Okay. Uh the other thing that and I don't know how much it is because there's not a an actual breakdown on the this building that we're in. Mhm. Uh and the one next door, we had a total of eight 60inch reeves on it. I think that is a
lot. If we could reduce that uh to I don't know three or four. And I don't know how you do that using the appropriate posts. I had a a thought or two, but just just to help pull the the money down a little bit more. Okay.
Um where where have we in the past put these cute little guys that we take pictures? I believe they were by the um the stage, but I could be wrong. All three of them. Yeah. It's kind of intended to be one set piece that you take a picture with together as a unit.
There's one. It's three pieces, but it comes like as a set. Oh, I thought it was three that looked like that. No, sorry. No, it's okay. They were on the beach. Oh, thank you for They were out on the beach. Okay. If it's If it's one piece, it's
irrelevant. If it's only one piece, I thought it was three pieces. Weren't they house? Yes. That's what That's what Judy's saying. Yeah. Okay. um with with some of the savings on some of the other stuff. If everybody agrees
it I don't know whether or not we have electric. It might be nice to light two or three trees at the entrance with the the cute little soldier guys at the entrance to the village. Okay. if I
don't want to spend any more money. Trying to pull it down a little bit more. Um, those would be some of my thoughts. If we could get it down to 50,000, it'd be good. Well, I don't know why we just don't go
with the three-year lease and do it at the 53. I'm good with how it is. Steve, excuse me, Steve. Is um is there a time frame for this? It says to January 2nd. When do they go up? When do when do they They would go up um at some point in
December. I'm not exactly sure on the date or could even be November. I could double check with the vendor and let you know. Um I'm not exactly sure. I know it's after Thanksgiving. Yeah, cuz I I like to see lights up longer, you know, like when I'm going last February or something. But I guess I guess I just
I'm I'm kind of outside of the box on this in in terms of I I would love to see um I would love to see this money say um go toward our students and our schools. I'd love to put it out to our our teachers locally to see if we can get students to come up with some
decorations and do some of these things. Community could rally around it and uh it might be some kind of annual contest we could do. Um, I had suggested that for South Wind's Park that we let the schools decorate Southwind
with, you know, maybe a tree decorating competition for the classes. I had suggested that so we could put the paid ones here and maybe do the community ones at our other parks that we have. So, that is something I had already thought of. Is the south is the south
ones? Is that the marada? Um, it's across from It's one from across from Sunset. Yeah, across from Sunset. It's the one that they used to light with palm trees. There's like 11 palm trees in there. Is that a community hotel? We own Yeah, we own that. So, that's why I
said maybe we should take that part and we could have somebody donate Christmas trees to each class. They're not expensive. And uh let the class each decorate their own tree and have somebody judge it. And that way that park would be decorated and it would be a community thing. That's that was my
thoughts. So, I don't know how everybody else feels about that, but I'm good with that. I'm good with the three-year contract. We're saving Yeah, I am, too. Me, too. We're saving uh what? Almost $18,000. Yeah. It's been knocked down from Henry and it's
Christmas. We've cut this almost in half in a threeear cut. Can you run a tape real quick and tell me if both of those lighting figures was in that that 59? I'm sorry. Can you repeat the question? Can you run a tape? Can somebody run a
tape on this money real quick and find out if both of these because I added the the 10,000 for the 11 trees and the almost 12,000 for the 13 trees and thought I came up with 59 with the other stuff. Oh yeah, you
probably did. But if we do a three-year lease, we say 18. But she's saying that it's not 11 trees. Yeah. And 13 trees. She says it's 11 or 13 trees. So, it's even less than that if we take a choice.
And the soldiers, Deb, are not in front of Founders Park. They're in Taanir. I said that. Oh, I thought you said they're at Founders. No, I said at the entrance to the village. Okay. Um, so we're saving that would be saved $2,000
if we didn't do 13, right? Yeah. Okay. If can we wait a I see it. We might be saving. If you do 11, it's 99, right? I I think this figure includes both of these. That's what I asked you to run a
tape. I say we go for three years. Deb, I think you're correct. I'm running the numbers again. So, I apologize for misspeaking earlier. So, that it is a total of 24 trees that we're wrapping with the money on this.
Ronnie, did you want to say something if you can get a word in? Yeah, I I think there there's more input than we expected. So, if you like, maybe we can defer this till Thursday and make it because we're not really making decisions on any. We're just bringing it before you for discussion, but it seems like discussion is getting a little bit micro. Well, let's see how many want to
leave it as is and how many want to continue this. Can we do that? Does Steve, what do you want to do? Continue it or vote now? We can continue it. Anna, I'd rather just vote now. Don, I'm ready now. And Deb, continue. And I'm the one who's going to break this. I'd
love to see I just assume move on. So I just wanted clarification on uh I guess the pieces that were selected as well cuz the hurricane monument I know there was discussion on um the ornament and having some sort of photo op piece. So um there was some type of conversation
this last cycle about the ornament not being the sturdiest option there. So we opted to do the big present instead. So, if you all had feedback on that. Um, I like the ornament. I like the ornament. I like the ornament that we had last year. So do I. Okay. So, that's
something that we could I can go back to the vendor and talk to them about. Um, but otherwise, I mean, if you all are immutable to the rest of the things, I can come back with a quote in June with everything else and trying to keep to the same price point with the with the changes that we just talked about. So,
so if we're wrapping 24, are they all on the main drive here? Is that it? That figure says that we're wrapping 24 trees. Yes. Yes. Okay. I think I got outvoted. So, and
and a time frame, too, like when they're going up, when they're going down. I can clarify that for you as well. Most of these companies have to know way in advance because of where they're getting the lights from and Okay. And that's they have to do and the time frame it takes to do them. That's part of the
urgency with having this conversation. Um, I was also informed that because of the tariffs that are um, looming that some of these costs might go up in the near future. So, it's better to kind of have everything solidified now so that we can move forward. I'll make a motion to approve the
contract at the three-year lease. Martin, you want to Wait, it wouldn't we were seeking just we're seeking direction to bring back because the the the contract in the form that they proposed it would not be the one that the village thumbs thumbs up then. Thank you. Yeah. and and it would be we would
bring back an agreement under the uh under the terms that you all are uh right now it's 3 to2 so bring it back so we bring back an agreement for your approval at uh in the June meeting yes okay thank you thank you for the
clarification thank you Stephanie thank you Stephanie John consent agenda yep we are into the uh consent portion of the agenda these items are of routine nature and council members have reviewed these items in advance and sought the advice of the staff they as they sought the advice of staff as they felt
necessary. There'll be one vote on the consent items and now that and I wasn't sensitive to the fact that the public did not have our tabs. So I will make sure to read both and if I do forget just whisper in my ear. I apologize in advance if I do. Uh tonight the consent
agendum are items Roman numeral 9 A and C through H which in the tabs are 6 and 8 through 13. If anybody would like to pull an item from consent, he or she should state so now. I have an item to
pull. Wait a minute. It was on my notes somewhere. I would like to pull tab 12 for very very short conversation. Yeah, we can move that to So seven was pulled. So we can put we'll put seven first and then 12 after that and then
we'll get into the regular scheduled resolutions. That's fine. Sorry. Tab, you need a motion. And for the public, tab 12 is Roman numeral 9. Um, Gary, if we're just going to have
a discussion, we don't need to vote on it from the consent agenda. You pulled it, right? So, we're just going to have a discussion on it. I wasn't talking about mine. I was talking about the whole check. Oh, okay. You needed a vote yet. Yes. If everybody's done polling, what? Mhm.
Anybody want to pull anything? Okay. So, okay. I make a motion to approve the consent agenda with the two items pulled. And do I have a second? Second. Marie, would you please call the role? Wait. Public comment on Yes, we do have a public commenter on Zoom. Forget about
them. Okay. Alexis J. Okay. I'm giving you permission to speak. Um, go ahead. You've got three minutes. Hi there. This is Alexis. I'm at 117 Lera. We actually had somebody physically there that was going to speak first and I was actually going to jump
after him. Is that possible? Unless I don't have anyone else signed up to speak for this item. This gentleman Oh, not sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I I wanted 14. I'll wait. I'm sorry. I just didn't want to get missed like last time. Marty, can this gentleman who's here go ahead and speak? And then we'll
listen to the woman on the Of course. Okay. Your name. Come on up, sir. What tab are you speaking on? Tab. Tab 14. That that's not on consent. So, yeah, that's what I was going to say is I think what you want to talk about is not on the consent agenda, but it will
be one of the next items we do is is here for the assessment. That's not on this. So, so I get to speak or No, when the tab comes. when the time comes. Yes. Call you back. That' be the best time. Speaking about agenda. Have you filled out Did you fill out a card? Okay. So,
the clerk will call you when it's when we're at that. And Alexis, I'll add you to that conversation as well so I remember to call your name for that. Okay. So, my guess we're going to call the role. We have a first and a second on the consent agenda. Correct. Okay. Let me find my place
here. Okay. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Harton. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. And motion passes 5 to zero. Okay.
Okay. We are on to uh tab seven which is Roman numeral uh nine. Where am I? Sorry. B is in boy. Uh, it's a resolution of the village council of Alamra Village of Islands, Florida, amending the village's adopted
budget for fiscal year 2024 to 25 and providing an effective date. Hello, Lisa. Good evening. Um, okay. So, uh, this will be our first budget amendment for the year and, uh, it's not a lot going on yet because we're all
within our budget limits mostly. Um, just wanted to go through that. Um, hey Vince, I just use this way. Okay. Is it the little You got to show me. And I
got you. Okay. Uh, so up on the screen I have the budget amendment up there. It was also uh listed online, so everybody should be able to see that. Um, so what we're doing, the budget was approved on September 17th,
2024. And what we normally do, we have a budget amendment anytime you're going to go outside of the, uh, adopted budget. Uh, so mostly this time what we're doing, uh, especially in the general fund, is mostly revenues that we've received, which are very hard to budget
for. You just kind of have to put a number out there, but uh, we're overbudget on a lot of those, which is a good thing. So, um, mostly I'll just go through here and if y'all have any, um, questions, feel free to stop me if there's anything you want to ask about. Um, what I'll do first is just go
through general fund. Um, we had some overages there. So, this is through March 31st, by the way. Um, so that would be a six-month period. Um, so mostly u mostly in here we have
revenues. The first, let's see, licenses and permits. There's listed there. There's $500 for um other permits, fees, and special assessments. Vacation rental permit fees. We had more than what we budgeted for. Uh and then BP pass, we had some on that. We didn't budget for
any of those. Uh foreclosure registration fees. So, those are pretty simple. Uh the next page on charges for services, we had park facilities rental fees over uh we only budgeted 30,000. We already have 35,000 which is great. Pool
team rental fee. Um I think Maria probably budgets low on that. She's not ever sure how many are going to come and rent the pool. Uh we got she budgeted 15,000. We got 31 which is great. Uh and then on the fitness instruction, all her um programs are excellent out there and
they do really well. Uh they budgeted 25,000 already. They've gotten 26. So they're really ahead. I mean, this for the fact that they've already, you know, exceeded their budget and we're only halfway through the year. That's really great. Uh, and then our interest revenue was pretty good, too. 192,000
there. Uh, let's see. And then we have a one more page that get there. Okay. We had uh some opioid settlement money which is uh something that they applied for I think before the previous um village manager
that was here and it's something throughout the state that we get. Uh we got $6,500. So Terry will be able to spend that money uh just on certain things, educating the public, you know, maybe the schools and that kind of thing. There's just certain things you can use that for. So that is the
revenue. Um, and on to the expenditures, if you can see those there, I'll just briefly go through that. Let's see. Um, just a couple of items that we were over budget on already. And really,
we're not over they're not over budget in those actual departments. What happens is we just, you know, move line items around. So, you know, that does happen from time to time. And my main thing is they're not over budget. That's what we're looking at. So those are just basically line item things that we're
moving around. Do y'all have any questions on that? Anybody? No. No. No. They're pretty simple. Um let's see. Going on through. Let's see. So that's the general fund. Um I can flip through
those real quick if y'all want to see those numbers. But is it going? Oh, there we go. Okay. Um, yeah, just going through the general fund. Those are just simple things that we're, you know, a couple of
items. Well, switch. There we go. All right. Just just simple line item things that we're just moving around. Uh let's see. I want to get to the Okay, so then we go to the impact
fee fund. An additional 124,000 was needed from fund balance for the fire and rescue impact fees in order to build the fire storage building. So that's probably the biggest one that we have. Um we're going to have to move some of the money from um impact fee funds for
that. Um, and then solid waste. We've got that's just interest revenue. Let's see. Let's go to the next one. Solid waste was interest revenue received. So, you know, that's a good thing. Uh, let's see what else. Building
fund. That was 110,000. Transportation fund didn't have any changes. Affordable housing had no changes. And that's building fund. And so 110,000 in revenues um extra that we
got. It's all that is uh nothing in debt service. Yeah. I had a question on your impact fee funds. Okay. Sure. Yeah. So you do you keep track of of of how they mature? Because if we on the impact fees, if we collect
the fees and they're not used in what four years, then people can get a uh asked to get their impact fees that they paid back, right? I'm not sure. I'll have to look into that to be honest. Okay. John, do you know? I remember five years, but is it four years or five
years, isn't it? I believe there's a limitation. I'll have to look and see. Uh I can confer with uh with Lisa and we can confirm. Do you somehow keep track of how those mature when that when that happens? Is there a way to do that? We can do that. Sure. Yeah. I I can probably check with Maria, too, to see
if she had some sort of way that she was keeping track of it before. As far as I know, you know, the only concern I would have I think we would spend those in a four-year time. Well, I've heard Peter say before, we got it, we need to spend it. But I just Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think, you know, I I don't think that
we've had a problem in the past with spending those, but um for for instance, fire rescue now, they're a little more restricted because we can only use those, I think, for like fire hydrants for new, correct me if I'm wrong, Terry, for
new Terry has. Yeah, you don't really have to worry about Sorry, T. But yeah, so um so but but the the money we spend should be the the the first in is the first out and so the
stuff that was put in there. It just did not be nice to see how it right. I don't think that we'd have any trouble spending that in four years to be honest. I don't think it's ever really been tried. We've got plenty of things to do. Um okay. Is that all you had Don?
Yes ma'am. Thank you. Okay. Sure. All right. Let's see. We're back to debt service. There's nothing in debt service. Pretty simple. And then in capital projects, I'll move on to that one. [Music]
Um, okay. There just interest the revenue in there. We had some miscellaneous revenue there. I believe that was for a uh we got a donation of a Ford Taurus from Marone County Sheriff's Office for that. Um, and
then let's see. And then there was a couple things. We had a city view upgrade. We had to um change for that which is on the next page. Yeah, for the planning department we we upgraded our city view. So that cost a little bit more than what we thought, but we can move money around in
there as well. Um and then fire rescue, we had that's where I brought in the money for the storage buildings. We're having to build those. We bought some generators for hurricane, which is a great idea to have those on hand because, you know, you're scrambling at hurricane season time to try to get
generators and then you got to pay a exorbitant amount to rent them, if you can even get them. So, that was good planning on their part. Um, and we're FEMA's requiring us to build storage buildings for those generators. So, that's what we're in the process of doing now. And those uh ended up being
costing a little bit more than what we thought. So, that's where we're transferring that money in. Uh let's see. And then let's see all there. And then the solar lighting
project. That's kind of deceiving there because we really didn't overspend on the budget there. That just shows the adopted budget, but it actually uh last year we also had a budgeted amount for that and I don't think we spent it all. So we're really not over budget on that.
It just carried into this year. Uh, let's see. Marina didn't have anything, I don't think. Nope. Let's see. And then on wastewater, that's just for I think there's is just miscellaneous revenue
there. And then a little bit of overtime. I think that's probably on the Let's see on the fills. And again, that's we can just move move items around on there. I'm not over budget. Um, same thing in there that and the
generator storage building. We had to move money for that one for the uh one is the fire rescue and one is the public works wastewater uh generators. So those are the ones that were budgeted for that and that's all there. Um interest
revenue for storm water fund is all we're adding and that's it. So pretty simple. It's pretty easy at the beginning of the year. Anybody have anything? Anybody questions? Anything? No. No. Okay. Looks like Thank you very much. You're welcome. Okay. Did you John
was number 12 next? Uh yes, number 12. I've got that one, too. Uh but we we we still need uh public comment and uh on this though. All right. Uh any public comment, Marty? Yes. Joe
Wishmeer. Yes, Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. Um, I'm certainly glad that you pulled this item. I don't know why it was on the consent agenda because it certainly deserves some discussion and for the public to know what's going on because
the numbers that I actually looked on the 2024 to 2025 Marada budget uh shows in excess of 1.3 million but the deficit is like 4.6 6 million, which to me that means that
we're actually operating in a deficit this year. And I can't remember when we've ever done that because we've always had a lot more money in our general fund to cover any expenses that may come up. Uh it looked like the biggest one, I couldn't read the chart that uh she had up there, but it's like
almost $2.6 million just in the wastewater that we're over, which I can believe. Um, so I guess the questions that I have on that are if we're going to be making a lot of major changes on a budget, when we make a budget at home, we have to
stick to it. If we need to change it around, I think maybe you should at least set a dollar amount and it should have to come before the council so that the public is informed where you're taking money from to where you put it to. Thank you. Thank you, John Marne.
Anybody else? No, ma'am. Okay. Go ahead, Ron. I just want to make a point that I I I asked for it to be uh removed from the consent calendar because I want to have more transparency for the budget. As you see, the budget is very complicated. Everybody thinks it's a very simple thing and and uh we want to have more transparency. I would like to
have maybe a town hall meeting before the statutoily required public meetings on the budget because I think the more the public understands the budget, the more we can answer these questions. So in the future, I've asked Lisa to not have items on consent calendar, consent agenda for budget items uh because I
think it deserves to have some discussion and then people will feel more comfortable. You've heard some questions. We'll address those questions raised tonight. Uh they may not be accurate, but we'll make sure whatever is accurate is out there. So going forward, I don't like to have consent
items for the budget. Okay. So public comment. Anybody else for this one? Uh, no ma'am. That's okay. So, public comment is closed. Now, we'll go to 12. We we'd entertain a motion um on the on
the resolution. I get lost when she starts talking math. I just do I didn't do that well in school with that. All right. So, anybody want to make a motion? Public comment. What do you guys want to talk about? I'll make a motion to approve as presented. I could second.
Okay. Marty, would you call the role, please? Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton. Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. That motion passes 5 to
zero. On to 12. Now 12. We're on to tab 12, which is Roman numeral 9G. It's a resolution of the village council of Alamada Village of Islands, Florida, approving a first amendment to grant agreement number 3243 between Monroe County on behalf of the tourist development council and Alamada Village
of Islands for Founders Park Beach inclusive playground to revise the completion date of the project to September 30th, 2026. Authorizing the village mayor to execute the first amendment, authorizing village officials to implement the terms and conditions of the agreement, authorizing expenditure of budgeted funds, and providing for an
effective date. Lisa, I pulled this and I pulled it for one simple reason. Okay. Is that um the the TDC and virtually the the the the DAC
the local DAC approved paying for this capital project 100% which was $597,000. No, we got $497,000. Right. Right. Sorry. That's okay. Right.
I remember now. Yeah. So it was it was Yeah. But the the majority of the money the point is that there was a huge chunk of money that came to Absolutely. And there was a um a presentation today by TDC and they they had figures of how
much of their funds have gone to things that affect all of the county and it was over the last five years. But I want to just take a second is the marine and coral restoration. there was a little over $4
million. Beach related items, there was almost $12 million. Cultural related things was 8 million and fishing related things was 77,500,000 that the TDC has put towards capital improvements or
infrastructure or events. That's excellent. I just very good think the public ought to know stuff like that. Good. and that and we we will continue to pursue those funds. Maria's we've always got uh items. This year we're requesting money for the pool uh to help
us with the um you know renovation of that. Um but this is basically this amendment. All we're doing here, just so you all know, is just extending the use of these funds because we were not able to use them this fiscal year because we're doing the Founders Park master
plan, as you know. And what they've decided is the playground equipment uh may be moved to a different location, maybe where the volleyball courts are. So rather than us go ahead and get that done and then have to up and move it, we were going to Maria just decided we
needed to wait until that plan was finished and we know where we need to put it. So okay, they've agreed to that to extend it. So all right, thank you. That's it. Thank you. I guess we open public comment because excuse me, you pulled it. So, Marne, anybody want to
say anything on this? I'll make a motion to approve. Oh, I thought she said we have no raised hands, no public comment. Okay, go ahead. Sorry. Now, I'll make a motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. Morning, please.
Council member Deb Gillis, yes. Mayor Sharon Mahoney, yes. Council member Steve Freriedman, yes. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. And Vice Mayor Don Horton. Heck yeah. Motion passes 5 to zero. Okay. Um we are into the
resolution section. Well, does does everybody okay to continue on? You want to take a break? No, I'm just asking everybody else. What does yes mean? Want to continue on? Yeah. Okay, we're good. Sorry, I didn't mean to jump the gun. That's okay. That's okay. Uh we're
on to tab 14, which is Roman numeral 11A. which is a resolution of the village council of Isamara Village Islands, Florida, relating to the canal restoration program, imposing annual maintenance assessments for properties located within the canal 147 area in lower Madakumbi Key with the within the
village. Establishing legislative findings, determining that such real property will derive a special benefit from the canal restoration activities and the ongoing operations and maintenance thereof and the reasonable portionment of the assessment. Establishing the terms and conditions of the proposed special assessment, including administrative and collection
costs. Establishing the amount of the annual uh canal operations and operation assessment for each parcel of property to be assessed based on the methodology set forth herein. Directing preparation of the assessment role, authorizing the public hearing, and directing the provision of notice thereof, and
providing an effective date. Peter, hello council. So, as you are aware, the village is in the final phases of completing a canal restoration project on canal 147 for water quality improvement reasons for the canal itself and its nearshore waters. So, this final
phase entails the implementation of an air curtain system or a a bubbler that goes at the mouth of the canal to reduce the amount of weed that comes into the canal. Um, so I did present on this topic at the previous council meeting in
April. Just wanted to prepare you for a necessary next step for this project if we were to move forward with uh this new special taxing district or new assessment. And that step is the initial assessment resolution. Uh so this would fund uh
this tax would fund the ongoing maintenance routine maintenance and operating costs for the air curtain system. The village did acquire a grant which did cover the entirety of the project uh through construction but it doesn't cover the ongoing maintenance. So that's what we would be um asking for
with this new assessment. So this this initial initial res assessment resolution, excuse me, it does do a number of things. Um, and these are statutory requirements. So, I'm just going to read through through these so we cover them all. So, it did does set a
public hearing for adoption of a final assessment resolution. So, if the resolution before you is approved uh and adopted this evening, the final public hearing for this assessment, the final assessment would be presented at the council's regularly scheduled meeting on
June 10th, 2025. So the next meeting uh the initial assessment resolution also describes the benefit area. It describes the aortionment methodology, the maximum rates and it directs staff to advertise the notice of the public hearing and to
also send out those first class mailings to all the offended property owners. Okay, so this is the benefit area uh for that proposed new taxing district. Uh this is in between Atlantic and Lacera lanes lower Madakumbi. So the affected property owners are all of
those that you can see in that yellow rectangle there. All of those living on the canal and there are 18 parcels on that canal. Uh two of which are under the same ownership. So just some steps we've taken with this. I did present this at the prior meeting. I'm not going to, you
know, dwell on this. I will just point out the um some of the statutory requirements that we did complete which were to publish and run the notice of intent that was for 4 weeks and that was prior to the resolution of intent that was adopted by the village council that
was in November of 2024. So tonight that's the next statutory requirement. It's the adoption of the initial rate resolution. If the council does approve that tonight, we will move on to publishing those those notices to all the property owners. Uh
then we will go forward with the final assessment resolution in June. If that's approved, then we just submit that information to the to the tax collector. And this will be on the uh the new tax RO in November 26. 25. Sorry. Thank you. It is 25. Mad
myself. Thank you. Okay, so these are the rates uh the proposed rates. I know it was a lot to condense onto one slide. Hope you can see this. Um but the way the way we have this laid out here are these are the proposed rates for the first five years.
So those columns this pointer going to work. I don't even know if you can see that pointer. Anyway, the first four columns, these are the next five years, the next fiscal years. And in yellow there, that's the fiveyear uh annual uh or excuse me, fiveyear average rates.
So, let's just run through these and we can go u have you a good understanding of how we came up with these rates. So, there's two parts to these rates versus the total operation and maintenance costs. And down below here, we have a breakdown of what those operation and
maintenance costs entail. There's three components of that. First, there's an electrical cost, right? These are essentially air pumps. These are large air compressors. They're just blowing air through hoses. They need electricity. So, we're assuming that's running 70% of the time, that system.
The other 30% of the time, we can assume there's offshore winds, the pump is not on. So, the estimated cost for a month of that service is $27. And multiply that by 12 months, that's
$2,484. Now, we came up with that rate from uh getting a very good understanding of the the folks at the Madakumbi Resort next door who have an identical canal and a very similar system uh to what we're proposing here. So, we have a really good idea of the
electrical costs. So, the maintenance costs that's going to that's estimated at $730 per visit, four visits per year. That number came from the contractor that does the servicing at the uh at the air air curtain at the Madakumbi resort.
So we again we have a really good idea of what that cost is going to be. The replacement cost we're also factoring into this new assessment. That replacement is $33,800 and it would replace the compressors, diffusers, other accessories and labor. So assuming a
7-year replacement, the annual uh cost would be $4,900. So if we add those costs up, we end up with $10,34 for an annual operation and maintenance cost. So we just move down. We also have some miscellaneous uh
accessible costs. Uh notice in the first column there, the first year in 2526 there are no costs. It's because the village funded this. We paid for this first year. Following this year, there would be a $2,000 consultant cost to our consultant
that helps us and runs the assessment. We also have to mail out the notices. There's a cost to that the first year. There's a statutory discount fee. That's just to make up for early payment. So, we have to cover that as well. Uh so, those total miscellaneous accessible
costs, $1,626. So add those two together, we come up with $11,930. That would be for the first year. That's a total cost. There's 18 parcels. So divided by 18, the annual
cost is $663 for that first year. The second year, it does increase a little bit because we are paying the consultant fee. Uh there is a 3.5% increase for the operation and maintenance each year. That was advised to us. That's just a
CPI or inflation increase. So that's why the fees or assessment increases slightly each year. Average annual rate over 5 years is $799. So we significantly reduced this number from the last time the council
saw this. This is about as low as we could possibly do. We removed a contingency fee which we were advised to have in here. We removed the village administration fee. It's quite a bit of uh work, obviously staff work to get this done, but we pulled that out and that's how we were able to reduce this
uh assessment so much. Uh so with that, I'm going to end um questions. I'd be happy to answer them and open up for discussion feeder. I have I have a few Mike I guess. Oh,
I'm sorry. I have a few. Is it you want to do it now? Yeah. Okay. I didn't ask. So, um, Peter, when this first was presented us, uh, you would, uh, basically pled the neighborhood and and
you got, uh, you got a vote. Um, previously, I think it was 10 that said yes and seven that said no and one didn't vote. Correct. Uh, at 5:02 tonight, I got a uh, I I got an email
and one of the people that said yes changed his mind. and one of them that didn't vote voted no. So now you've got a a 9 to9 vote on that neighborhood. Um I don't know if that changes anything with the council, but it it does, you
know, pose a little bit of a problem with me. Um, also you and I talked about how shallow the entrance is of that canal and the fact that with that bubbler down there, if somebody doesn't raise their motor on a low tide or even
low tide, especially on an extreme low tide, um, that it's likely that somebody's going to clip that bubbler. Uh, and so we're going to have something brand new, first low, good, nice, low tide, and
somebody's clipping that thing and we're having to go back and fix it. Um, also the the grant paid for the first year, right? The whole thing, the whole installation, the first in year, it paid for installation costs, but it
does not pay for any of the operation and maintenance. Okay. And and have you already gotten approval from anybody that's at the end of that canal to put electric or the pumps and the motors and all of that stuff on their property? No, none of them agreed to do
it. So, we have approval from the FDOT to house the compressors on the right the US one right of way. So, it just means we have to it's harder. We have to run the hoses a greater distance, but at least it's not on anyone's private property. So then we would have the motors up at this highway. You can pull
the map back up. We would have the pumps and everything way up on the highway and we'd have to pipe that compressed air all the way down the canal under the canal and in to that into that bubbler. That's correct. The hoses would be weighted and rest on the bottom of the
canal. Correct. Right. which um which probably means we're going to have to have a bigger pump and it's going to have to pump more because it's pumping that whole distance however many
feet that is of 70 ft times nine or whatever to get all the way out there to do right. So about 700 ft. Once we get all the way out to the mouth of that canal, we're going to be pumping air 700
ft. Um, so we're installing something that we think is going to break on a low tide when somebody's plugging it when somebody's motoring themselves into the canal. And we got a split vote on the neighborhood now according to this email
that half of the people don't even want this. Okay. What do you do in a case like that, Peter? I mean, just go ahead and do it anyhow. And I mean, do they obligate it? Do they have to pay? Yeah. Once we approve this, the folks are obligated. That's pretty hard when it's
split 9 to9. It sure does. This falls under your taxing authority under chapter 170 under the Florida statutes. So that sort of changes. Anybody else have anything they want to say? I should say the the how if you're
going to encourage special assessment falls under your taxing authority. Obviously the other way you would pay for it would be through the general fund would would pay for it. So it would be spread out amongst the entire community if you did it that way. That's right. either. I know. And and and actually I I
uh I I don't know if y'all got it. I got a video today that was sent uh by the U Mark Lewis. I've known Mark for many many years and uh he's the second homeowner in and he actually does uh
contact video content videos and stuff uh for his business and he did a really good Did you get to see his YouTube? I didn't. Uh it was a really good uh that he sent uh that uh maybe somebody's going to speak to about tonight, but he
showed um the same day the canal with without the bubbler and the canal with the bubbler next door and the and and the same basically the same amount of seaweed in those canals, one with a
bubbler and one without a bubbler. So, do the bubblers I mean the the the normal prevailing wind blows into both of those canals. Do they not work if the
wind is blowing let's say 10 knots and and and more and the bubblers work if the it's 10 knots and less. Is that kind of how it works? That's fair question. So, first off, the majority of the people that live on the canals that have these air curtains like them. Um, they
do feel like they work. They do feel like they're benefiting from it. And when the systems go down, I get calls because they want that weed block. So, they're not perfect. Absolutely not perfect. They always let some weed in. The wind speed absolutely dictates how
much weed is going to get through. above like 15 m or an hour wind is when you know you really see some weed starting to roll through. If it gets above 20 more and more is going to go through, but they're working pretty well. It doesn't block all the weed, but even if it's knocking back 80%, which it
probably is somewhere around there, that's 80% less weed that's going to end up in the canal. And the depth issue absolutely is an issue. We understand we have that problem at the Madakumbi Resort. people do hit them. But we try to prevent that through uh through maintenance, which is what we're going
to try and do, you know, if we install the system here. But that is a concern. Maybe we're looking into putting signage, too, that says trim your motor up. Okay. Thank you. Go ahead, Steve. Yeah, Peter. Um, is this is this one of these projects
that that is linked to another project in the future, like a like an injection well type of thing, or is this just strictly for the the bubbling to help prevent the grass from going in? So, this project was linked to a back fill we did. We did an organic removal, got
all the muck out, and then back filled it. So, this is coming in as the final component to the back filling. The back filling is is helpful certainly, but preventing the weed from getting back in and sinking and decomposing is is important, too. Yeah, it's obviously
something that needs to happen. We've already spent a lot of time and effort on trying to clean this water up. This is the last step. How far is the pump from Plantation Lake Estates out to the point there? Even farther. Yeah. So there is an air
curtain system that was installed privately in Plantation Lake Estates and it's probably twice that distance. Same system, weighted pipes going out. What the contractor tells me is it's not that big of a deal to move the air. It's not that much less effective to move it say
1,000 ft as it is 10 ft. I'm not an expert on that, but that's what they tell me because it's air and not not a liquid, right? Yeah. It's not difficult to move air. The force needed isn't that great. And the comparison to the entrances for Plantation Lake
Estates and this one, Plantation Lake Estates is quite a bit bigger. I would say twice as wide. What? But but the depth I meant the depth. Deeper, too. Um, a lot deeper. Deeper at Plantation Lake Estates. Definitely. It's deeper. Yeah, it's pretty shallow
at 147, but it's soft sediment. So, we're looking into, you know, what we can do to plant those diffusers lower. Thanks. Sure. Anna, do you have anything? I just find it hard that if half of them don't want it, then I say we use the money some move the money
somewhere else. The sad part is that we've already done cleaning a direct fill. That's the hard part. Yeah. I mean, if they don't want to keep it clean, then nine do and nine don't. I know. So, that's a hard one. Peter, can can you clarify? Do we are we required
to do this by the state? Is this one of those projects that are we required or or not? We're not required. Okay. Um I mean we issue is I mean with our grant the only issue is there issue with the grant pro. No. I mean we're definitely
not required. You know we we would have to give up grant money. It's not that big of a deal. We could probably move it to another grant. It's one of the stewardship grants, but we don't absolutely have to move forward with this. We've not penalized by the state. So, we haven't spent the money on the equipment yet. So, it because it's
probably a reimbursement. It would be a reimbursement, but if So, equipment has been ordered. Equipment has already been ordered. We haven't installed uh but there absolutely has been equipment ordered. I don't know if it's all of it, but it's
so we've already invested some of the money. We've invested, but not it's not a significant investment to this at this point. At this point, we have it in our but the the grant would pay for that if we move ahead, right? It would and and
we we had this on good faith that we had the majority of it and it is a tag along to the other half that we already have done. Um, I understand it's
9 to9 now, but um I'm I'm of the mind that we ought to move ahead with it. Well, you want to open public comment? Of course. Let's let's see what the public or Peter, is that okay? We're going to open one last thing on the grant. The air curtain
component of the grant is a fairly minor part of that. Uh the back filling was probably 85 almost 90% of the cost because that's so much more work and it wouldn't it wouldn't cause them to void the whole grant. It wouldn't it wouldn't be a big deal. It'd be pretty easy to
move that money. They're very generous and understanding which is uh amendments. Are you sure? That's kind of them enough to know they're they're pretty pretty amendable to moving money to another grant. Thank you. Sure. Okay.
Marty, you want to open public comment, please? Sure. First up is Mark Lewis. Good evening. Good evening. Um, my name is Mark Lewis. I own a house, a house on 132 Atlantic Lane. Um, I've been coming there since I was three, so 56 years
I've been coming. My grandfather built that place and u, obviously it means a lot to me. So I've seen a lot of tide flow over the years. Um, the weed's always been a problem. always been a problem. Um the video that I did produce earlier yesterday, I understand there was some issues about um maybe some
cyber security stuff. So, we quickly stood up a website. Um if you guys want to watch it, you can go look at it. It's canal147.com. You're more than welcome to go look at it. And what I did is I was down here and I went, it was a windy day in my basin on second house on the
canal. It was jam-packed full of weed. I said, "You know what? Let me go over and look at the Madak Resort Canal." And I took video behind the bubbler, their boat ramp completely full of weed. And there's no mistaking it. And the issue is everybody in the front of the canal
doesn't want the U bubbler. We don't want to be taxed for something we don't want. Everybody in the back wants the canal wants it because that's where the water gets stagnant. And I understand, I get it. But the weeds were there when they bought their place, right? So we feel that we shouldn't have to pay for
that. It's just the way we all feel. Um, yes. And you're right. The vote has changed. I didn't know that there was one person that did not vote, which that was new to me today. So, which is good. So, the bottom line is if you go and look at it, and I invite you to go look at today, I went to Madak Resort Canal
and Peter mentioned that that canal was that that bubbler has been put in. I talked to the um first I went to the back of the canal, completely full of wheat. I mean, not just a little bit, completely covered. So, I went to the front, the bubbler wasn't on. I talked to the maintenance guy. He said it's
been off for at least 3 months. Why is that? So I went over to the Columbus Columbus canal completely full of weed. Please go look at it yourself. So the problem is we just feel it it's not going to work. Um I I've talked to one of my best friends. He works with
Southwater Manage Management District. He advised me that they don't work for large vegetation. They just don't. So that's why we feel that we just it's a tax that we shouldn't have to pay for for something we can see physically that doesn't work. And if you watch the video, you will see it as well. Um
uh let's see. So we're not in an HOA, but this was kind of pushed by whatever the and I'm not, you know, this is not what I do for a living. So, and there was a vote and and and I do thank you guys for, you know, coming in doing the grant and and dredging the canal that
needed to happen cuz after Irma, the canal has been packed full of stuff. So, so that's where we sit. But again, I invite you to go look at the videos. Real simple. It takes you a few minutes to look at it. And I invite you to go look at the canals on either side of us with you'll see for yourself that they're just jammed full of weeds. It's
unfortunate. I wish they did work with with tidal flow. each time there's going to be a certain amount of weed that gets in and there's going to be a certain amount of weed that doesn't go out. And where's it going to end up? In the back of the canal, unfortunately. So, um, thank you. All good. Yes, sir. Okay. I
think there's some other folks that we're going to chat to. So, thank you for your time. Thank you very much. Barney, who's next? Okay. We have a couple folks on Zoom. Uh, let me first unmute. Let me get there first. unmute Alexis. Alexis, if you could
please clarify your last name and go ahead. You've got three minutes. Hi there. This is Alexis Jacobs Crips. I'm at 117 Lera. Um I kind of have a a a pointed question towards Peter. Could you maybe clarify the
arrangement that Metacumbi and Columbus have? Um, I just would like to know exactly what their homeowners um on the canal are, how they're affected financially with those bubble curtains and how that might differ for us.
Uh, Peter's not Peter, you're not supposed to give an exchange, Alexis, just Oh, man. Okay. I had lots of good questions for him. Okay. Um, you know, I just I was looking at this from a whole and we are not an HOA. Just to piggyback on what Mark just said, this has made
honestly some contempt between the neighbors. We now actually have a 50/50 vote of yes to no. I I appreciate the dredging of the canal. I think that was a good thing. I think that was a big component of this. I do not think the
bubble curtain will work. I am I would I would love for it to I think it would be a great thing. But I also have been documenting myself for over the last year and a half probably between Madakumbi, between Columbus, between our canal and there is no difference. I have
called on um officials to say, "Hey, the hoses are kind of messed up. What are we going to do about that?" And I don't think anything got done in a timely manner. It was quarters had passed until something got done. I just I also don't think that a wind vein is not as um
effective on US1. And correct me if that's not right, but how is that a proper reading um to to to figure out what the wind shift will be if it's behind houses on the highway? So, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Um, I
also think the tide situation when boats are coming in, they're just going to drag those weeds that are stopped at the front of the canal when the boat comes in. We've watched it time and time again at Matakumbi. I just I wish it worked. I really do. I don't think it works. I
think this is not how to go about this. I think there's enough people that are objecting it that we really need to re-evaluate this. And if we can't do it before this, I think we need to reestablish a revote because there are going to be some unhappy people in a year. I think they're going to realize
this doesn't work. And what are we paying for to be completely honest? And that's what I have to say about that. Marne, what is this young lady's name? Alexis. Alexis, why don't you reach out to Peter tomorrow if that's okay with Peter and you can ask
him his all the questions you have because Absolutely. Okay. Well, I just want to make sure that we don't just push you aside. I want your questions answered. And now, unfortunately, with our the way we run these meetings, it's not the time, but I'm going to volunteer Peter to talk to you tomorrow if that
works for you. You're welcome. Thank you. Alexis, what was your address again? I'm sorry. 117 Lera Lane. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, Marne. Is there anyone else? Yes. Next up
is Mark Pool. Let me pull him up. Okay, Mr. Pool, um you have been given permission to speak. You've got three minutes. Mr. P, are you able to unmute? I've given you permission to speak and unmuted. Am I here? Yep, we can hear
you. Thank you. Oh, excellent. Thank you. I'm not techsavvy. Okay. First, my my first comment is the numbers changed dramatically from the pitch that Peter Fres uh dumped on us. And that's very disingenuous. Uh Peter's done an
excellent job communicating with us, but to change the numbers so dramatically the night before is just very disingenuous. Um and this is Peter Fres's little pet project. He pitched this on us about five years ago after
you dredged our her canal after hurricane Irma and we rejected it easily and he's re resurrected this he just threw it on the back of this grant and I'm I'm really not prepared to
respond because I'm a finance guy and he he changed all the numbers on me. Um I don't have a lot of faith in a bubbler itself. I don't have homeowners association and I I just can't believe that this could be jammed down my throat
like this. It's just so disingenuous. It hurts. It feels like the village is stealing my house from me. And I I understand this is a a more visceral and uh gut response than the
rational, but you're establishing a special taxing district and you're going to allow yourself unlimited um increases. You say 3 and a half% but it's government. I mean Marada has grown your budget by 18% for the last two
years. I don't trust you. And I had the numbers, but you changed them because the first numbers Peter pitched was half a million dollars for the life cycle before cost adjustments, which brought it closer to 2 million for the 20-year
period. Now, Alexis asked a question and you dumped it. She wasn't asking. That was a rhetorical question because the bubblers on both sides of us were bought by the village and the residents only pay electricity. We could do that, too.
If you think this is a good idea, we could do that, too. I will pay for electricity. I'll get my neighbors chip in. We'll pay for electricity. We'll do the same thing you did for everybody else. Give us the same deal.
We'll do a bubbler. If you really want to do a bubbler, give us the same deal you did for everybody else. Don't call us out and on us. I apologize. Apologize. We just want to be like everyone else. We don't I never come to
these meetings. I don't care. If you treat us all the same and everyone's okay with it, I'll be okay with it, too. But this individual has carved this out for elimination. He's just he's making his own little phom here. This is horrible. And I again this is from my
gut, not for my head. Um cuz you changed the presentation. It was just disingenuous. But thank you, Mark. I I'll yield my time. I'm done. Thank you. Thank you for Thank you, Marty. Is there anyone else? Um a hand just went up, so I will leave
it up to you whether you go ahead. Okay, hold on there. Okay. Um, San SC uh 256. Go ahead. Uh, please state your name as well.
Hi. Can you can you hear me? Yes, we can. Hi, my name is Samantha Sanchez. I'm at 141 Lera Lane. Um, thank you guys so much for taking the time to hear all of us. Um, very quickly, I just wanted to to back up um all my neighbors and I
agree with everything that they say. um us at the at towards the mouth of the canal are opposed to this. We see, you know, we're not going to reap as much benefit as the people in the backwood. Especially for me, I'm at the very end of the canal, um the last house in the
end. And I will personally receive, you know, no benefit and actually it will be worse because all the weed that will be stuck there is going to be piled up right in front of my place at my nice view. Um, again I I to Alexis's point about the HOA and and Marks and I'm
sorry I missed um what a couple of comments were before because my connection but um we've all have a general consensus that we should not be forced to be paying for something that we don't want and also that has been shown that it doesn't work properly or
isn't maintained isn't properly maintained and isn't going to be working well. Why do we have to pay for that if we don't want it? If the village or city wants to go ahead and pay for those maintenance costs, sure, you know, do whatever. We're very happy about the
backfl and and all that, but we feel that it is it is unfair to be forced into the situation um given, you know, we didn't go into this home ownership in HOA and my family
has been there since the since ' 81. There wasn't even a house built. my father and my and my uncle, they built it from scratch, designed it. I mean, we've been there since the beginning of time since so many of my other neighbors have, and it's just it's not sitting
well with with us. So, hopefully, um, we can reassess and and reconsider what the decision was earlier. Um, and again, like like has been mentioned, it's now a 50/50 uh not a majority vote. And I will leave it at that.
Thank you very much, Marne. There is no one else. So, I want to ask Peter something. Do we pay for the equipment for Come on up here if you would, please. Do we pay for the equipment for other canals?
So there are three air curtain systems that the village did set up uh prehurricane Irma and they were demonstration projects and the agreements were that the village would pay for the operation and maintenance costs and not the electrical costs. So
we still do pay for the the servicing the operation and maintenance of those three systems. Well, let me ask you a question. How many other canals are doing what this canal supposed to do? Paying for everything? None. Or would they be the first ones? They would be the first one in the village. So, this
was a model that was set up by Monroe County. They've done it in other canals, but this would be the first one for the village. And what is our cost? I'm sorry, Don. What is our cost if we were to pay for the equipment and this gentleman, Mark, who wants to pay for the electric, they did the electric. So,
it would be the same as those costs I showed you. Of of course, it would be cheaper if you know the homeowners did it on their own. You wouldn't have the fees of the assessment. All you would have was the operation and maintenance fees, which would be the electrical cost and the maintenance and maybe replacement. Don, did you want to say
something? Well, but there are other canals that the neighborhoods have uh like the one up by the high school. Uh they they have a bubbler and they it's theirs, they pay for it, right? They maintain it. Something messes up, they fix their own, right? And that same as
in Plantation Lake Estates, you're correct. Plantation Lake Estates for everything. Yeah, they do. Wow. Um, yeah, they did it on their own. Yeah, we assisted some, but they did the design, permitting, paid for it all, and pay for the service and maintenance. And And
really, there's 22 lots on that canal, right? There's lots, correct? Yes, there's 22 lots. So, would someone like uh the the folks that are at 117, are they going to get two assessments or are they just going to get one? We're
assessing by parcel. So if they only own one parcel, they just get one assessment that So the folks on 117 would they own two? The same property owner owes two properties. So correct. That's the only property owner that would have two assessments. No, there's there's other
there's there's there's 22 lots and there's only 18 votes, right? Correct. So there's four there must be at least four that have two lot double lots. That's right. Did they get two votes? They only one person got two votes. No,
that there's only one property that was Flancher's apartment because Flancher sits on two. They had two votes. Exactly. It's the only one. Anybody else have anything for Peter? And and so the design, just to let you know, the air curtain was designed by the engineers,
not me. Right. This was engineered years ago. The best thing to do to complete restoration, put it in air curtain. So, we're just doing what the engineers told us uh was the best methodology to improve the water quality in the canal. Deb, do you have anything for Peter
before I tell him thank you very much? I don't think so. Okay, you guys, anything? I do. I take that back. I take it back. I knew we weren't going to get off that easy with her. So, the the one gentleman said that you changed the figures uh like yesterday or whatever,
but you lowered the figure. Correct. because you do some of the stuff that that we had talked about before. So, it's not like we we raised the number on them. We lowered the number that they
would be responsible for. Right. We lowered it and I could see how that would appear disingenuous, but the rates we came up with were was what was advised to us by the consultants. I I understand who are experts. So we reduced it against the advice of our
consultants. Uh we likely the village would likely be paying to make up any differences but as you know the council wanted uh at the last meeting we did lower them to about baseline. And that's that's that's all I was
trying to get at is that we didn't we it's not like we added a bunch of figures in. We took we took money off of the plate. Correct. For them. it it added it to the village most likely um because they were contingency fees
and whatever but right can I ask one okay well she done yes I'm done go ahead Don um I don't want to put you on a spot Sue but is does your canal y'all pay for your canal
for the operation and maintenance that that's one of the ones the village pays for the village pays for that yes and Sue you shook your head when Mark said your canal was full of weed. Your canal is not full of weed right now. Well, I think that on the Yeah, if you would on
the I don't mean to put you on the spot. I just I want to try to get You know, I think the problem is that when you have strong winds, it's hard to keep the weed out, right? We've had extraordinary
winds recently. And so I hate to see you make a judgment based on a condition that's not something that happens all the time. The our weed curtain works
fine a majority of the time, but there's weed in it now because of the strong winds we've had. And so we have a person that can control when the weed curtain is turned off so that when the tide is
going out, the weed will go out. Okay. And that and I've noticed because I live near the You're right there. Yeah. Um that that they haven't been turning off the um curtain for the weed to go back
out during low when the tide is going out. Right. Okay. And the and the wind is so strong that you know the last weeks it's been awful. Yeah. Thank you, Sue. It has been. And Marne, anybody else? Or uh let me
double check Zoom one more time, but I don't believe so. Peter, did you want to come back up here? I thought I saw you. I I thought I saw him I thought I saw him raise his hand and then he put it down. I wasn't sure. I didn't know if you were bolting for
the door or what was going on, so I had to ask. There are no more speakers. Okay. Uh, public comment is now closed. Uh, okay. Council, where do you want to go from here? Anybody have anything?
I make a motion to approve. Is there a second? I guess not. I guess not. All right. Does anybody have a different motion? There's only two choices. Is it Is it possible to do it for one year and just
see how it's going to work and and and feel it out that way? Can Can I mean, what do you do with the bubbler after a year? Yeah. Here's a used bubbler. Here's a used bubbler. I mean, it's what what what Peter wants to do is good for that
canal. It's good for the environment. I just But it's such a hard because it is split. It's a it's split in the neighborhood. And I mean, I don't know. Does it make any sense to bring the neighbors into a town hall to kind of talk about this and and and maybe kind of re-evaluate.
So, see if we can get more of a majority or consensus even. Peter, do you have to have this decision tonight? Can I mean, is it that imperative that we tax these people on a special taxing district when half of them really don't want it and we're saying that 40% of the time it's
not even going to work? I mean, you could choose whatever you like. I mean, it's completely up to you. Um, it's fine if the council doesn't want to move forward. Um, the one thing is is the there's um requirements for time for setting up a new assessment. There's statutory requirements. So, I don't
think there's time to do what you're suggesting. It's great idea, but if we don't have a vote now, I need to start working on this tomorrow to start setting up the letters and the noticing. Uh, we'll start that tomorrow. So, we don't have time to like put it off for
public more public meetings. You can you can, you know, vote no and then we bring this up next year. You know, the hard part is is we're dealing with money and you know, times are already tough enough and now we're going to force people. That's that's where I'm having a big
problem. No. Yes, John. I I would say uh there if it p if this were to pass tonight, there will at least be one more public hearing which would be at the June meeting. Um there is a statutoily required final um
decision that you all would have to make. So it wouldn't it wouldn't be a like a town hall type unless we were able to get a a town hall together between now and then. But there will be another hearing with the final assessment uh resolution if this passes
tonight at the June meeting. So um if you wanted to do that then maybe we could make sure to get the word out to get everybody here or as many as possible those people here. So So that would be at the this resolution calls for that that that final assessment hearing to be at the June 10th meeting.
I'm I'm stuck on it that it's 9 to9 and I don't see where a meeting's going to change. Just can I let me finish please? I thought you were done. No, I'm not. Sorry. You know, just to get them to change their mind in a couple of weeks to me just I don't think it's going to
happen. So now you can go, D. Okay. So I the only thing I can relate this to is the sewer issues years ago. There was absolutely very few people that wanted
that done. And at some point the council has to decide what is best for our environment and what is best for this town. And those are hard decisions. At least this is a 50/50. I would suspect that the the night we were making some of those sewer decisions, it wasn't
quite 50/50. Um it was very strong. Uh I I I I believe that this is the end of a process for this canal and that what Sue is is explaining to us is that there's
and Peter has said this too is that there are winds that are are going to override all of this and there's nothing that will correct that but the majority of the time that it would be good for the
canal. Okay. Don, do you want to say something again? Yeah, but the difference is we're taxing just this canal. And there's three other canals that are not that are getting the same service and not getting taxed. So when we did a sewer assessment, we assessed
everybody in this town. Everybody. But there's three canals in this in this town that are getting the same service that these people are going to get that are not getting taxed. And then there's others that are paying for it 100%. But they did that on their because they
did it as a let's leave let's leave it up to the people on the can on this canal if they really want you had a vote and I made a motion and it did not pass. So somebody else can make it or you can pick mine up. Okay. I'll make a motion to deny it.
Okay. Do I have a second to deny? I'll second. Morning. You call the role please. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton. Oh, what? Yes. I'm sorry. Yes. I don't know what he was
doing. I said no. So, yeah. I'm confused. Sorry. Okay. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council member Debb Gillis. No. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. The motion passes 4 to one. And if they want a bubbler, they
can get together as a neighborhood and get it since everything else is done. I mean that I'd feel better about that. I don't want to tax somebody. So I mean who who we heard from were were very clear and and for the others that that wanted it, I would have liked to have heard from them and yeah, perhaps
they can get together and find some funding. Maybe the neighbor can do neighborhood can do it just like the other couple I've done. Okay. All right. Moving on to tab 15, John. Yep. Tab 15 which is Roman numeral 11B. This is a resolution of the village council of Marada village of Islands, Florida,
approving the renewal of a nutanics software licensing and support including the NCI security add-on from SHI International Corp. for disaster recovery and business continuity authorizing the village manager to execute all necessary documents providing for implementation and pro
providing for an effective date. Good evening, mayor, council. A language I don't understand, but go ahead. Yeah, this is a this is a continuation of the project we've been working on since our previous disaster recovery went in end of life. Um, this is just relicensing the old hardware to be our disaster
recovery site. In all the research I did, this was the most economical way to do it. So, um, if you have any questions, feel free to ask. And, uh, I'm here. You won't have any for me because I don't understand. Anybody have anything for Vince? Is there public comment? I'm going to do that after
we're done. Anybody have public comment for this? Let me double check on Zoom. I don't believe so. All right. Council move to approve. Second. Okay. Marty. Okay. I was looking on Zoom. So, can you
please repeat the who made the motion? Don and Deb. Don was first. Deb was second. Thank you. Oh my god. You guys are all starting to look like one person to me. They're starting to look like one person to me. Wow. Hey, Vice Mayor Don Horton. Yes.
Council member Anna Richards. Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council member Doug Gillis. Yes. And Mayor Sharon. Yes. Thank you. 5. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay. 16 is pulled, correct? Or not ready? No, it was um 16
was only was going to be limited only to the personnel policy, not the um uh administrative um I'm trying to get the right word, the administrative procedure related. So, it was solely the personnel policy that was going to be proceeded.
So, um uh so 16 is also Roman numeral 11 C. It's a resolution of the village council of Alam Marada village of islands Florida adopting an updated village personnel manual policy manual authorizing village officials to implement the terms and conditions of the personnel policy manual and
providing for an effective date. Um, so the exhibit to this resolution if it were to pass is on the uh well I was going to say the third page but I see these are double-sided but the third full page where it shows
village of islands personnel policy manual 2005 and not the um administrative procedure uh thereafter that is something that we would we will bring back. Okay. So madame go ahead. Good evening council. It's been a minute
um since 2018 since we've had an update to our personnel manual policy. There are some um updates and regulatory type issues that we needed to get in place, but we also did a complete reformat of the personnel manual so we can have
links to those required laws um so we don't have to come back to you every time we have to make a change to something that's required by federal, state, or local law that would impact the policy. That's the most significant was the reformatting of the the old policy manual. Okay. Um we did add um
some introductory um ethical ethics um code of ethics to the beginning of it. Um I did add some administration under the um the introduction that the administration of the personnel manual
is um the human resources director um by way of the village manager. So, that's just some policy language. Um, there's the safety in private uh spaces act was something that was brought into legislation in the last couple of years.
the smoking and use of tobacco. That portion of the policy manual was updated to reflect the resolution that was passed by council for no smoking on um any village property or in any village vehicles, um buildings, the beach, the
parks. You'll remember the resolution was passed for smoking by the parks. Um, we didn't really have a working remotely or telecommuting section. So, that's an addition. Um, I do want to
highlight there's a few things that I'm pretty pleased to say that the um employee engagement and employee um experience committee um was positive about and one of those is the professional licenses and certifications
incentives. That is an impact to the budget because we will have to budget for those licensing licenses and um professional certifications that we currently don't pay or incentivize employees to hold. Um it is in line with
Monroe County. They do have a licensing and certification program. Um the firefighters have it um for certain licensing and certifications. So this just goes to the per performance review or non-collective bargaining um
employees as well. So it's a little different than theirs but pretty similar. Um the vacation leave and rollover and cash out that is something new. Um that is a benefit for employees that have a lot of vacation and not able
to take their vacation instead of losing vacation at the end of the year because we do have a cap. instead of losing that vacation, they would have the ability to roll it over or cash it out for good holiday fund. Um, and we do have long-term employees that have a lot of
vacation that they have acrewed that they don't typically take. So, this is a benefit to those employees. It costs literally nothing because we've already budgeted those funds. So, it's a zero budget impact because it's already
budgeted for their annual salary. Um the sick leave transfer is just basically including that. It used to be a resolution that was an attachment to the old policy procedures. So we're just including that now. Uh we did add the um
addition of education reimbursement. So that is um adding for tuition reimbursement for a college degree program that is um applicable to the job that the employee is either has
currently or is um planning to for succession planning going moving into. So if they start a degree program they would come to the village and we would approve it. they would get reimbursement for those a certain percentage of that
tuition and then um it's just another thing to um get employees encouraged to them for additional training and and um make themselves better. Um the note at the bottom for the administrative procedures that are referenced in the
manual um we did have more discussion about that today. There are going to be certain administrative procedures that are basically just saying how the policy is to be carried out or administered because policy is just the policy statement and then how you actually
implement that policy would be under these administrative procedures. the administrative procedure for the complaint um against charter officers would be something that would have to be not just at the manager level um as approval but would come back to
you all because you're included in that. So it would be that one in particular we will bring back to you. But as far as the other two that are in there, which is the travel reimbursement and the education or tuition reimbursement, um
those two are more administered at the manager level. So great. I know that I I really rambled on. It's getting late. So if anybody has any specific questions, anybody have anything for Jamie? Nope. When's our handbook coming out with all that stuff in there? All that good
stuff. Unfortunately, you're a charter officer and that's in the charter. So if you want benefits, you just have to, you know, Marne, is there anyone for public comment? Double checking on Zoom. No, ma'am. Okay. Council, you have any questions, thoughts, where you want to
go? I think it's a good job you did on this, Jamie. Thank you. I I like it a lot and I'd move to approve it. Is there a second? Second. Morning. Will you please call the role? Council, excuse me, Vice Mayor Don
Horton. Yes. Council member Anna Richard. Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. And the motion passes 5 to zero. Thank you very much. Good job. Thank you, Jamie. Excellent. Really good job.
Okay, John. Tab 17. Terry wants something again. Yep. 17 Roman numeral 11D. A resolution of the village council of Bamada village of Islands, Florida, piggybacking Sourcewell co-op contract number 11302-s and approving the purchase of a
Sutfen F-S series uh pumper truck from South Florida Emergency Vehicles LLC, authorizing village manager to execute necessary documents, authorizing village manager to expend budgeted funds, providing for piggybacking of competitive bid, declaring the 2013 Sutfin Shield custom pumper as surplus
property, authorizing disposal of the surplus property, and providing for an effective date. That was a mouthful, wasn't it? Yeah. Good job, John. Um, what you have before you is us saving our spot in the build line in s for suffen trucks. Uh, during
the strategic planning process of last year's budget cycle, uh, we started doing some calling around just for pricing on and timeline on vehicles and, uh, we realized that the build process for trucks has gone up exponentially. We're at about a 42-month lead time from
the time we say sign a contract, build me a truck, it's 42 months now. That is slightly down a few months from during the budget process. It was 46 48 months there at that point. Um, so that being said, I have one truck that was built in 2013. It is going to be reaching end of
life in the next 3 to four years. So, in order to stay ahead of that curve and not put an order in to replace a truck when it's already a maintenance nightmare and becomes unreliable, what we're trying to do is purchase it now so that we have a good truck that we can stay operational until we replace it. If
at said that time when the new truck comes in and the truck that we're going to replace is still not a maintenance nightmare and it's still reliable, we utilize that as a reserve truck. Kind of like we did with the ladder truck when we purchased that and we took delivery back in 22. We utilized that for two and
a half years as a reserve truck when our truck went down for maintenance or for training opportunities, stuff of that nature. So, we are piggybacking Sourcewell. As John mentioned in the resolution, we're replacing a 2013. Keep in mind, we will not see this truck
until the fall of 2028. So, you're making a commitment now to save our place in line so that we get in the build process to procure that truck. Um, I'm sorry, Councilman Horton and uh, Councilwoman Richards. I did misspeak at
our briefings, and there is a typo in here. We did actually allocate funding this year, um, in our budget for $300,000. Um, I didn't think it it actually made the cut with everything that was going in, going out, and everything. Um, I verified this week,
and it actually does have 300,000 in there. concept being we set around 300,000 this year, 300,000 next year, 300,000 the year after, then an additional, you know, 108,000 and then we can procure that truck on year four when it does take arrival. So instead of
taking one large hit all at once when we take delivery, um there is no co there's a 5% cost savings. Um, but when you're looking at a million dollars, 5% cost savings to pay it up now and the people of the village not have a million dollars is kind of fiscally
irresponsible at our current status. Um, so we're opting to pay when we take delivery. That said point, there is a $15,000 savings if we pay within 72 hours of delivery to our manufacturer that is in Fort Myers. And at that point, once he gets it, we'll see that
truck in about two weeks. council. Anything else for Terry? So, we actually we actually have already started the process of of putting money back to 300,000 is what you're saying this year. Yes, ma'am. Yes. Yes, ma'am.
And that'll that'll roll next year and then come this year's budget process in the summer, I'll allocate more and hopefully it'll get it approved. The decision tonight is really how to budget that money out. Whether we're doing it every year or whether we're going to wait and come up with a lump sum at the end or
No, our decision is to approve the purchase. Tonight is to approve to approve the purchase. I didn't read it that to save our spot in line. Yeah, that was done last year. Anybody else have anything? Nope. No.
Any public comment, Marne? No, ma'am. Um, okay. So, Deb, do you have anything else or you want to make a motion? No, I'll make a motion to purchase and I was going to make a motion to spread it
out 333 and 190 or whatever that map is. That is absolutely the concept, ma'am. That's what we Yeah, that's what he said he was doing. All right. Please call the role. Council member Doug Gillis. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton. Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council
member Andrew Richards. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. The motion passes 5 to zero. Thank you. Thank you, John. Thank you. Yep. We are into ordinances. Um this is an ordinance on first reading. It's tab 18 Roman numeral 12A an ordinance of village Florida amending
chapter 2 administration section 2-30 uh 332 providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code and providing for an effective date. Uh this is a draft based upon direction at the last council meeting that would make it a
make uniform the um appointment date for village board so that they all take place in May. Um currently there are some things that are uniform including uh that they're two-year terms and that they're staggered terms. We do not have uniformity in terms of the date that it
is uh appointed. Um, in our uh count in our council briefing, Councilwoman Richards also raised the um uh prospect of of potentially including uh one more uh item which would make it completely uniform um in that
um to make it similar to the LPA, how no no board member can serve uh uh more than two consecutive terms unless he or she receives a supermajority or four-fifths vote uh of account of the council for additional consecutive
terms. Um I have uh drafted language that um roughly mirrors that from the LPA that would make it uniform and uh I can read that if you all would like or at or we could um you could approve it with direction for me to include that and I would bring it back on second
reading with that language. Um the historic preservation committee uh also has a line in their um uh in their section of the code that um uh says that all provisions of this this chapter and
article relating to village boards that are not inconsistent with the provisions of historic preservation committee apply. So if we make these changes here, they would also automatically apply in the historic preservation committee section of the code as well.
So, so I guess to sum up, the proposed ordinance keeps staggered two-year terms and then would add a May appointment date for all boards and then obviously there's a contingency if we're not able to meet in May or can't appoint for some
reason, it continues until the next board meeting because ob or the next council meeting because obviously we need to have boards. And then it would also with the suggestion of Councilwoman Richards if if it's the will of the council would would include a supermajority for um more than two
consecutive terms. Um I think that was your stumbling block, huh Deb? Um yes, but it's just the opposite of what she suggested. I know that's what I'm saying. I would I would suggest that we remove that from LPA and their volunteers.
Um if if if three people don't want them on council, they get voted off. And the other way is four people have to vote them on council. Three people saying that they want them would not necessarily seat that person. Oh, that's
fine. Don, I what I was also trying to do is get them alike and I I would just like to do away with the supermajority. Don, how do you feel? paid me. Here's a surprise. Yeah,
we have a record date here. I just wanted consistency across the board. Yeah, I think I think and then and that suggestion removing the LPA requirements might be the easiest thing to do than to uniform all the rest. No,
it's it's making it all the same. It's LPA says it's done in May. Okay. The rest of them had no basically. No, we're talking. Yeah, I know what you're talking. They all get done in May and I'd like the three people and not the
super not the super majority vote. I don't care about that. I just want consistency across all the all of them. Are we all good with that? All in May. And then and I did have a question just the way it reads about the vote in May. I assume that if we lose somebody in
September that if we choose we could replace somebody one person in October or November if we had to fill the remainder of the fill the Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Okay. That it doesn't have to sit open until the following year. No, it already says that. Correct. Yeah. I
didn't think so, but I just wanted to clarify. Okay. Okay. I would like to move remove that supermajority. Okay. So, um the LPA to remove that I would need to I will need to bring a different resolution uh different ordinance back
to address that which I can do that very simple obviously just strike that through Thursday. Uh no, we would need to notice it but uh and I it might even have to go to the LPA for that since it's in our LDRs. Um
but it doesn't mean I we can't do it uh that it can't get done. Still, it would still apply for your appointments tonight. Okay. Um, that's what I was going to ask. So, we still have to do the supermajority. Yes. Definitely would have to for the ones tonight. Um, because that that would be an ordinance
change would require two readings. So, we're really looking at July at the earliest for to remove that from LPA. Um, so that would just, you know, that's just something we'll have to deal with at least for this year while we while we're going through that process. Okay.
So, we need to open public comment first. See, I know what I'm doing now. Is there any Marne? Uh, there is none. Okay. So, then, um, if we have to do the super majority for the people that we just did, are we doing that tonight or
moving that to Thursday? Since we don't have a lot on Thursday, you you could do it either way. I mean, I know that we need the supermajority for the ones that Well, we don't know how that vote came out. Oh, she knows. Yeah, we haven't done that yet. Jennifer
knows. I've watched her. All right. So, do I have a motion then for for this ordinance? Mhm. For the I'll make I'll make a motion to accept with the um corrections. Well, it it's so the one it
doesn't currently have the language about the supermajority. So, it would be just a motion to approve as written. Approve as written. I make a motion to approve as written. There a second. It's fine. I'll second it. Okay. Marne, Council Member Deb Gillis, yes. Council
member Anna Richards, yes. Council member Steve Freriedman, yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton, yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney, yes. Motion passes five and zero. And then I will also bring back an ordinance for you all to consider to remove that section in the LPA uh
provision. Okay. So, are we going to vote on those the committees now or are we done or we already did? Well, that's what I'm saying. She going to tell us survey. So, yeah, she has I know she's holding over there. There's also one item um that Ron has in terms of under
motions with regard to the deputy manager. Sir, motions. Yeah, it's for a deputy manager. I thought it'd be advisable to have a deputy village manager in case I'm out of town, for example, at League
of Cities and something came up that you needed an acting v a village manager. I thought that uh last many y'all recognized the excellent job that Sheila did as the interim manager and so I thought she's a logical person to be the deputy manager. So uh I've talked to
her. Her duties would basically be just to fill in if I'm out of town but also to kind of be the eyes and ears with staff cuz people are comfortable with her and I could have done it without bringing the council. I thought it was important to have the council u give the blessing to Sheila because she's done a great job in the past and I'm sure she
she'll do a great job as the deputy village manager. I would say from the I agree from the legal standpoint Ron has the ability to make that appointment. So I would say from the legal standpoint this is largely ceremonial. Um but um uh
that you want a motion or you don't want a motion? I Yeah, I mean that Ron is Yeah, I'm asking for a motion just to kind of make it official. 100% approved. I mean, I'll make the motion to approve. Second. Oh, we do need a motion. That's
what he said. You don't need a motion. Ron's asking for one. You want one, Ron? Oh, yeah. It's a ceremonial, but but yeah, Ron's asking for it. Yeah. If you want one and she did it, I'll second it. Marty ceremoniously called them. She already did it. Oh, you said she was slipping. Okay. We do have someone
signed up for public comment. Oh, I didn't think anybody would public comment. Yeah. Yes. Mr. Wishmire would like to make public comment. Come on, Mr. Wishmire. I'm going to let somebody take place.
Oh, God. I guess I guess my question is uh you know, is this you're saying it's a ceremonial type thing? So, she would still be in the building department and not take on any more responsibility. it wouldn't cost us any more money to we
wouldn't have to pay for the deputy secretary because I know you already have an assistant. Um, and the only reason that I bring that up is when I I brought up the fact that I thought that the building department was a little short staffed to begin with. Now, uh, in
fact, we even had to pay MT Cosy over $500,000. So I don't want to take away from her responsibilities there, but if it's just a ceremonial thing just to fill in while you're gone. I would say it when I said ceremonial I was meaning
the the council vote not not substant normally you're not supposed to communicate but I know you want to so go ahead. No I just wanted to explain that basically she's remaining as the chief building officer official. I thought that was clear but just in case there's any question she's keeping her current
job. This would just be additional responsibilities which may not be very detailed unless I'm out of town a lot which I not plan on being. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Okay, Marty. Now we can call the role if you want that because if he wants
that Allrighty. Uh let me get back to Okay. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton. Steve Steve did it second. Thank you, Steve. Uh, Council Member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Thank
you. And Council Member Anna Richards. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. That motion passes five to zero. Thank you. So, where do we stand on the committees? Are we doing it now or doing it later? I
mean, survey says. Survey says. Let's see what it says. Consensus. Is there consensus? No, I don't care. Let's arm wrestle, ladies. All right. No, we're not going to arm wrestle. Too
late for that. Jennifer would win. Okay. Are we close? Um well, we do have um some runoffs in some of the uh committees. So, if you would like, I can
tell you what the um results are and where the runoffs are if you would like to make a you know Well, because of the time Don took before he can take it home and do it. So, shall we have these? Go ahead. All
right. For the HPC, we have Would you like to know how many votes they had or just if they are who's in? Okay. Just who's in. Okay. who is in out of our seven openings as um Barbara Edgar, Tammy
Gerillio, Roland Moore, Gerald Kathy, Megan Skellan, Hake Pender, and there is a runoff between Jason Richards and Roger Young. I make them arm wrestle. How do we do the runoffs? I say we make
them arm wrestle. How do we handle the runoffs, John? I mean, it's really up to you. If you want to do a a vote based upon the individual, how who's left, you can do it that way and see who ends up um with more votes or you can discuss it and
Well, let's let's hear the other ones because some of them were multiple. I was going to say, why don't we see who's on the other Yeah, you just simmer down over there. Yeah. Go ahead, Martney. Moving on to the land acquisition committee, we have uh Kevin Bates, Kelly
Cox, Frank Derler, Greg C, Greg Dully, Tammy Gillio, Michelle Robinson, Matt Turk, Alan Cockerham, Karen Alman, and Howie Arnold. No runoffs.
Um in the LPA we have um a runoff that's majority majority runoff. So we have um Corey Ael and uh Tony Hammond um who would need the
supermajority vote at this point to um be appointed. But then we have um everyone else is basically a runoff. Tony got they're all a runoff. Oh, Tony got a super majority because he got four. My apologies. So they're all
runoffs on that one except for two. They're these five folks there. Yeah, I'm going to let Jennifer take this one. I'm typing all night. I'm sorry. So Tony Tony got a super majority because he got four votes and Corey Ael got five votes.
So those two would get the two of the seats and then for the final two seats we had a number of people with two votes and they were Matt Turk, Elizabeth Jolan, Greg Dully, Roger Young and Gerald Okathy. So you would need to choose from those people for the two
remaining seats on LPA. Wow. Okay. You want to do the rest of them and then we'll backtrack. Um on nearshore water um everybody um on the existing committee remains on the existing committee. That's it. There's no there's one vacancy I
thought. No, two vacancies. Yeah, but there was only two and then the and then Jason Richards and Joe Babino. Okay. That's who's on that? They're on and they're on. Yeah. You didn't say that. Yes. Sorry, I missed that. Sorry.
Uh on parks and recreation, everybody on the committee stays on the committee. The 10 members that are existing. Yeah, there's no vacancy. So no new members. No, the existing members. One, two, not replacing Eduardo, six already on there. So 11 people,
there were 11 people on parks and rack and there was only supposed to be 10. Okay. So that's why Eduardo that's why there's no vacancy. Making sure. And then on workforce affordable housing, um we had um Greg Dully, Paige Presnell, uh Anna
Rickwart, uh Lee Christine Young, Scott Goss, Edward Price, Jennifer Roth, Dean Eeken would all get on and then there would be Oh, and Joe Babino and then there would be a runoff for one seat between Matt Turk and Whit Whitney
Trentine. How big is the Whitney? Okay. So, we're putting Whitney in. So, we're putting Whitney in. Are you serious? Is he serious? Because he put on another one. Yeah, you can you can argue with your sister. It's okay.
Whitney. Okay. So, Whitney. Whitney. We're putting Whitney on. And Marne, can you give us the sheets when everything's settled and updated? You know, we Oh, yes. We need to know who who we're voting on is I think where she's going
with that. Going on after we vote on a final thing. We can vote now if you want to. This is not that many is there to do. You want to do it now? She just will need to explain to us again who I want to go back and recap with. Yeah, I need
to recap who. It looks like there's only two that would have what we're calling a runoff which is the HPC and with with there's one spot open with Jason Richards and Roger Young and then the LPA has two spots open
and the the runoff included Matt Turk, Elizabeth Jolan, Greg Dully, Roger Young, and Gerald Okathy. I see you raising your hand or you doing a karate chop. I wasn't sure what he was doing. I didn't turn in a sheet. If is
it something important to say? Okay. Right now on the LCA. Wait, wait a second. I can do the nearshore water and let historical. Okay. Is that agreeable with everybody?
Uh the nearshore water. Um you're already a Wait. There's your water. He's on, right? Yeah, he's on. Yes, I am. Yes. Yes. So, you're giving up historical. So, you're putting Roger on. So, you're putting
Roger on historical. Okay. He's on Roger on historical. And you're on your short, which makes sense. Yeah. Okay. So, that leaves us with just the last one, correct? Yeah. And uh to answer Vice Mayor Horton's question, the those that are on there
there are three that still have existing terms. That's Cheryl Colulbertson, James Ryan, and Lori Land. And then the two that are being appointed to the openings are Tony Hammond through a super majority and Cory McGra Ael.
So we need to five. That's five. So out of the four, we only pick two that are left. You got that? Yeah. of there's five. Matt Turk, Elizabeth Jolan, Greg Dolly, Roger Young, and Jerry Oathy. And you would pick two. Now, how do we do this now? Just blurt
it out or can we have a piece of paper or what do you want to do? Uh, you can do it either way. Whatever you prefer as long as you write your name on the paper. John, quick I told the council go I feel like a teacher on this. We need two out of five.
Well, where's You want a piece of paper? You want So, I was waiting for somebody to hand me something. You We got I don't have more of those, but we Okay. We'll give you back your Sure. No. Okay. Just do it on your our original
and then it's it's turf. I'll I'll wait till they're I'll wait till they're all passed out and then that way I can tell you who and then you'll have the completed list maybe on Thursday morning. You can Oh, absolutely. Because I know he's going to be confused. And
also you you all not to complicate it, you all are going to have to decide on staggering, too. I say we put them all in a hat and draw the staggering half and half. You want to do that? I'm I'm okay with that. I mean, so if there's 10, we put 10 names in a hat and five get the two years. You can even just
direct staff to do that. So you I'm totally fine with that. You guys need to be doing something over there. Do you want me to repeat who is in the the what we're calling the runoff for LPA? Yes. Okay. So it would be Matt Turk, Elizabeth Jolan, Greg Dully, Roger
Young, and Jerry O'athy. Word says how about Howie? Howie didn't come into it. Yeah. And just pick two. And can we move it over to where it says and I would say so that we can differentiate how you did it year slot. That's what I was going to say. Move it
to the one and twoear slot your two votes. Okay. Yeah, you can do it that. Yeah, I was going to suggest just doing it in a different one and maybe doing it at an asterisk or something that's different than how I'm so confused. I'm sorry. So the the current the current the current selection that we have for
that committee is Cheryl, James, Lori, Tony, and Corey. Correct. Correct. And the people who received votes but are tied are Elizabeth, Greg, Roger, and
Matt. Matt. And Jerry Okappy. And Jerry. Yep. So, we need to pick two of those five. Correct. Okay. I got my two. And where do you want it on this piece of paper?
Oh, I just did it on that. I did it on that. You're supposed to do it on your sheet. I don't have to. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. She's not following directions again. Yep. Your name's got to be on it. No, I want it on this one. Swear to God. I swear for God.
Was Was he's deviating? Was Roger Was Roger on another committee? Yeah. Yes, Roger is on historic and Matt's on You're on another committee. Matt, no. He gave it up. Roger's on historic and Matt is on land
acquisition. Know that Take your cake. Mhm. See, when I was in the cook, I had to drop off.
Yes. When I went to That happened. Yeah. You're terrible. So, Roger Young Ha has uh a majority of votes. We do have a tie between Elizabeth Jolan and Greg Dolly. Unbelievable.
You give us those sheets back. I got my So now we pick one. And where are we putting this vote? Under years. That way it's not confused. Jennifer. Oh.
Or is that? No. Under yours. Okay. That's fine. Only only this crew can do that. We'll get it in again. Yeah, always. Always. Well, it's five of
us. Surely it won't come. I wouldn't think so. There's only two names to choose from. If there was three names, there would be a wring a writing candidate. There you go. [Music] Everybody
says, "Okay, we have uh Greg Douly has re um received the most amount of votes. So that would make the LPA Cheryl Colulerson, James Ryan, Lorie Land, Tony Hammond, Corey McGrath Ael, Greg Douly,
and Roger Young. Perfect. So, we would need a motion to approve. Do you want me to read everybody again the motion? No, I think we're good. We need to we'll get it on Thursday. I I think we probably if you guys know I mean it's been it's clear in the record. I think Marie's got the minutes for it. The only thing I
would suggest based on the staggering is in the motion to include language that says um for any appointments not already staggered that the council directs the manager to assign the the terms by the drawing of names from a hat. I move to approve with the conditions you said and
I'll second. Okay. Marty, would you call the role, please? Okay. Vice Mayor Don Horton. Yes. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council member
Anna Richard. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. That motion passes 5 to zero. Thank you. Okay. We done? Yes. Meeting adjourned. Thank you. [Applause]