for being and uh and also Anna. So we have um representative from the council. Before we start, I just wanted to do a quick review of one of the things that we will not be um talking about tonight. And
that is there is still lots of ongoing consultation going on about artificial turf, grass on the baseball field, on the on the the whole park. And they're actually two different kinds of
decisions. One of them has to do with the baseball field which is more engaged with the school board um just because that's part of that agreement and then whatever we might develop in terms of the actual park and from what I
understand that is a decision that will be a little more down the road. This one may be sooner but we're not in a position to decide. So, we've had the opportunity to have additional presentations
um from different people, but um I've reinforced the decision along with the manager and discussing it with the team here that that is not having any more presentations about the different
alternatives is really not productive for us because we are not in a position to make a decision. decision about a contractor who might be the person who would be the person who actually does the so if we had a presentation it's of
interest but it does we're not in a position to do anything so um what I might do is um Ron would you like to just make a statement about that or is there anything you would like to brief
us on as we get started today. >> Yeah. What the chair is alluding to is I was contacted by u a contractor who's actually doing artificial turf a project in Key West at Baby Park and he wanted to make a presentation to talk about to answer some of the questions we've had
about artificial or synthetic turf. The name of the corporation ironically is actually astroturf which I keep joking about being archaic but apparently it still is an astroturf corporation. He's the regional director and he wanted to come in. And I said, you know, thought maybe to come before this committee to answer questions, but as Carol and I
talked about it, it's probably not good because since we're not picking the contractor, we in fact, we're not making the decision at this point whether it's grass or artificial. But basically, at this point, I'm just looking for answers to questions. And the school board has not yet even begun discussions with the
syn synthetic turf uh vendors. But yet, we're getting a lot of questions. Alena's had some good points about the the temperature of of turf, about injuries that doc mentioned about injuries, whether it's better, worse to have turf versus grass. Uh, there's other issues about chemicals and things
like that that I want to have answers to. Uh, but at this point, we what I'll probably end up doing is having another meeting of our our baseball task force and maybe that's probably a more appropriate place to have that discussion. So, we do want I do want answers to those questions before we see more going forward, but this pro this
committee is probably not the best place to have that discussion. So, so I agreed that we probably wouldn't want to have him appear tonight and we will have a a task force meeting and maybe that's the best place to do it because we want as many answers to these questions as possible. And it does have relevance, by the way, outside the baseball field
because the the park master plan for Miller Lake does recommend uh uh the that the soccer field, for example, become turf. And and uh I I I have some concerns about that, let's just say, and I know the doc did too. And so I thought it'd be good to have that discussion
overall, even it doesn't affect directly the park. Uh you know, but uh we'll see you going forward. I just want to keep you all in the loop, though. And and as an aside, since Alena is is on the other task force, I'm still waiting to work with the school board on the use agreement and license agreement. Uh so
we want to get the wording uh right and who's responsible for what and both short and long term. And I'll keep you on the loop on that too. Any questions? >> You want to speak into your mic, Dave? >> All the subset stuff like you're saying task force, all that. If if the if
there's a new change of what we agreed to whether it's here at the council, I would think that should come back which is just a big overarching which is turf or no turf what type it is and all those things that's for experts to figure out. So I hope that does come back though if if that's something.
>> Yeah, if there's any change because you you gave preliminary not approval but you kind of give a head nod that you were going to go with the turf. I know that was a long discussion you had at one of your meetings. I did take it to council. no official vote but basically just gave direction to proceed. Uh although the final decisions are still
need to be made by the school board and the council as far as whether is going to be grass or artificial. Right now the position of the school board is it's it's going to be turf synthetic turf >> and that's that's the assumption we're going under but once again you know there's still questions need to be answered and then you know have the
advocates for grass come in you to our task force and answer questions there too. At this point, I would bring any any any changes, major changes, I'd bring back to this committee and obviously the village council, but there just hasn't been much progress. Ever since I informed the district that that
I was going to recommend, it's not my decision, but I recommend the elimination of second building, the multi-use building. Not much has happened since then, you know, and so I want to, you know, I've told them we're ready to proceed, but it's kind of the ball is kind of in the school district's park as field as far as making progress,
but I I've said once again that we want to have an agreement says whatever goes there, grass, artificial, should be entirely responsible to the school district, you know. Well, that's that right now that's what we're talking about. Uh, and that and there's nothing in writing. There's no proposal yet. uh
but uh that's we can talk but that my position is at this point I want the school district to be responsible for the the maintenance of it not the use of it the the 12 months if you want to have a discussion we we'll have we'll talk after the meeting but uh things like that and then we I don't have the schedule yet for the baseball team uh we
need to have the schedule done uh things like that but uh other than and then the replacement I think that came one of the meetings that replace let's say for argument sake it is artificial that replacement of it would be a capital expense not maintenance. So, the school district would be if they did do turf,
they would be responsible for any replacement in 10 years from now, whatever, because that was a a question whether that's maintenance or it's capital. And it, in my opinion, it would be a capital expense, responsibility of the school district. Well, and I think that our analogy that we had in I think
maybe the last meeting of a distinction between a Blackberry and an iPhone 27 or whatever it might be is it's easy to talk in generalities, but until there's actually a contractor who will speak
about exactly what they are looking to do, we're just kind of talking with not we're not the guys who are going to manage that decision. So that's the reason we will and the other thing is
there's been no direct report from the side of budget and the the you know the real grass side as to what is the budget, what's required, what is the runoff, what's the all the rest of that.
So, we're we're still in preliminary conversations and I just felt it was appropriate to make sure that everybody knows nobody's not looking at it. It's just not today. That's not doesn't seem to be where we
are right this minute. >> And I thought the interesting thing is there's actually an ongoing project in City of Key West at Bay Park. I grew up down the street from there and I' I I go on the weekends down to Key West to visit family and um I've been watching it. They've they've taken out the grass.
They've put down some other stuff. Now the sand's there. So I'm I'm actually every weekend seeing the progress of a it's going to be synthetic and if you think it's a hot issue in Alenrada grass versus artificial, go to Key West and talk about that. It's very contentious. But but the point is if anybody wants to
actually go down to Key West and take a weekend trip, you can see artificial turf being put into a ball field comparable to our ball field. So it's a work in process and I just think it's interesting. So you can see the actual It's one thing to talk about to go down and see with your own eyes. Might be
interesting to see the substrate and and all the drainage things they're going to be doing as they're going and I'll try to get updates from the city of Key West on it because I can't go all the time there. But, uh, I just think it's a good case example of how they do things. There's also some bad examples. Tommy
Roberts Field. I was there for a football game. They had to move it because of the drainage situation. They couldn't play the game there. And so things we want to, they're making mistakes we want to avoid up here. I'll leave it at that. >> Great. Any comments from anybody on the
committee? >> Thank you. >> Well, thanks. Thanks, Ron. anything else that you would be helpful for you to present for us? Any other topics that you'd like to cover for us? >> No. Uh that the next council meeting on
October 7th, uh Miller Le is presenting uh to the village council uh their their final draft of the master plan. And so it has it's not public yet. So you're getting an advanced I'm still setting the agenda, but that is planned to be on the agenda for October 7th here.
Great. >> And and once again, and and there's a question about how what action is going to be taken because I I have concerns about saying we're adopting the plan or approving it because I know personally there's some things in there that I don't necessarily think are good ideas, but it's the final decisions up to the
council. But I'm saying just the plan itself, like there's a multi-story building like around here that I know there's a lot of opposition to the question of whether you're going to put turf on the soccer field. So things like that I think there's going to be some hot discussion on. So, so we we may just
be accepting the plan but not adopting or approving it. Uh because I think that has an implication that we're agreeing to things. When I say we, I mean the village council or the village, but the council has the ultimate say on what actually does happen. But I think I'm concerned uh just what I've seen some of
things in there that I think may go against what I heard from the public as far as what they do or don't want like a big big multi-story building right here. But other than other than the master plan, I don't know of anything else that in particular if unless you have something that you want to bring up to
me. The other thing I have to give you an update on, by the way, Marie and I talked is that I did have discussions with uh Mr. Russell and Mr. Hammond on Friday and they they do want to move ahead with making improvements to the building at the end of the first baseline, you know, that has the bing
right out here. And so they they are going to try to have it ready for this baseball season cuz remember whatever happens on the baseball field is like after this season. It's like a year away before they even do anything. And so this is going to be more immediate and and Richie I guess is the one that had the information for me that they are
planning on going in there making improvements because Marie and I had talked about maybe air conditioning, you know, some things over there. Apparently the district is going to take that up. So which is good news from our standpoint because it's a nice building and I had our building official look at it. It's in great shape. It's solid building that need to be some
improvements done, but since it's part of the park, I'm bringing it up to you guys because technically I think uh the building may be owned by this district or was built by the district, but it's on our property. So, they're going to have to come to us obviously for permits or whatever. So, I don't have the details and Richie may have more details
than I do because I heard it from Richie. So, uh but there there are some plans I guess for that building just for an update. Not Do you have anyone to add that Richie? I don't know much more. >> No sir. Okay, >> that's perfect. Any other issues you want to talk about?
>> Um, on acquisition side, the department store lot for better terms. >> Silver and Spice. >> Silver and Spice. Had there been any movement because that was something within the park side, you know, before the water stuff was going on and we were renting it and all that kind of stuff.
That was possibly going to go into the park system depending on, you know, the fire departments and all this other stuff. So, I didn't know has there been anything going on there? >> Not from a park standpoint. I think the discussion has been >> at least have some parking there like a because when they first bought it, I
actually found plans uh for make it all parking. >> There's there's a site plan to make it a big parking lot. I'm not sure that's the best use for it. Yeah, there's been discussion of putting a civic center there or some some type of building on one of the lots and parking the other two. But as far as making it a park, I
don't see a lot of impetus for that. But by the way, speaking of parks, uh we are looking at making some improvements to Southwind Park. That's like most people don't even know it's there. I've been there a couple times. It's a really nice little park. You know, I'm talking about Southwind. >> Mhm. >> And u we're looking at maybe doing a sculpture there or something just to get
more people there because it's a wonderful park and I think I've maybe seen three people there in the last five months, you know. So, so we want to improve that park. I mean, I guess that comes under your you do all the parks, right? L >> I believe so. >> Yeah. Well, I didn't park
>> South Park South winds on upper Madakumbi, >> South Winds Park. >> It's kind of tucked away. I mean, it's right on US one between old highway. Like I stopped there one time just to see it and I was It has It's very nice. It's just that nobody ever uses it.
>> People dog walk there a lot. We had once asked Pete Fresa about that and I was surprised to hear him say that that is designated as conservation lands which means we're somewhat restricted
in the type of improvements that we can make and I freely admit I was caught off guard that it was designated as conservation lands. He said he could look into having that designation changed or removed. >> I don't know that we need to. I I don't expect that we would be putting a lot
anything on it other than maybe like a sculpture. Yeah. But no no buildings or whatever because I think the natural state is nice. Uh it's just underutilized. Most of the people I talked to don't even know it's there. >> Let's be careful on the structure,
the art. >> Oh yeah. Just Yeah. Well, speaking of that, if you if you notice on my marker 80, I did I did approve a landscaping project around those three sculptures. I think everybody the consensus is you may not like the sculptures, you like the landscaping. So we we we did move
forward with that. So wasn't my idea for those sculptures there, but it is what it is. >> Well, so I I know I get it that the parks don't own that property or or it's not even >> it's a village property. Yeah. >> Right. Village property. So I'm just saying as you go down the path parking
lot next to um you know the sand factory and all that kind of stuff just bring us in. I think because there is other ideas that it's not a park but it could be a lot of other things too. >> Well and and ju just I think most of you know but we did have a a village
workshop on lands owned by the village in particular the three were the church uh silver and spice and the machado property >> across from Hershaw Filipino >> and so we think that probably Machado is going to be housing because that's what they use the money to buy. And so I
think that'll end up being housing. the church that's up in the air. Maybe housing, maybe something else. Um the I think Silver Spices got the most ideas, you know, housing, parking, I don't think a park just because it's we paid
almost $3 million for it. And I think that they want to get we want to get some type of beneficial use out of it. Well, when I say park again, it could be I mean, if you go to Ocean Reef, we have grass and we have food trucks to, >> you know, so there's things that you can do that use that property to grab and
I've talked to the chamber about this to grab some of the people out of Chica and the Islander and those guys to come back into town. And so that's what I mean when we talk about, you know, putting >> and when I say park, I think the best example of parking lot I've seen is the uh Island Community Church. I've been there a couple times and the new park if
you haven't been there it's a one of the nicest parking lots I've seen it but it's natural it's got landscaping gravel not nothing there's nothing paved there so I think that's an example when we do parking and by the way speaking of parking I'm looking at pilot projects for paid parking in the in the village
and improving some of the parking places you know and so that that really affect you guys I don't think there's any anything in the parks but uh you know it impacts you as residents I guess >> but okay so the other the last piece of that I we just want to talk about because DOT
is paying attention to what we're doing obviously and if we build more parking they could take rights away some of our DOT lanes that we're fighting really hard you know really hard in Amorado to keep um >> well I attended the county commission meeting couple you when they talked
about the four laning and and the village actually show we had a council vice mayor Horton spoke uh we had a couple other council people there and they expressed strong opposition by the village of any fourlaning uh in the village. We can't control obviously
what's going outside the village, but I think DOT got the message that we don't want to give up any more right away. In fact, I think there were 5050 businesses that would have been impacted, their parking would have been taken away. And obviously and the the rationale was because we
have a low level of service uh for the the traffic and we are the three worst segments in the Keys, but that is what it is. uh but for laning I don't think would have been the right solution to that and so the official position of the of the council including council member
Richards was to strongly oppose any for laning in Colorado so that I mean it's kind of off the track what we're talking about but I I I do understand what you're saying and we we're in discussion with DOT almost every day I had some other things we're talking about DOT >> build parking you realize that
>> no we're not going to build no other than silver and spice we're not really building parking we're making use of a lot we What I'm talking about is like on the old highway and all right now there's some spaces that are you some use some we have some no parking signs up too >> and we're looking at maybe converting if
there but people may park there anyway. So we'd rather have it be maintained by us and controlled by us as opposed to just having it willy-nilly where some people might park a trailer there which is not an appropriate just I'm not singling any place out. We all know what we're talking about. Uh
but but I I think plus we want to start running the business the village more like a business and if we have some opportunities to increase our revenues and keep our taxes down. That's the direction I've got from the council is you know we want to do everything we can to keep property taxes down but then looking at other ways we can increase revenues like like the marina. You know
maybe making that more profitable because that is an enterprise zone and things like that where we can use those monies instead of having to raise taxes because we all hate property taxes. Well, thank you. >> That moves us into one of our major topics for today also. >> Well, the fee structure. I mean, Maria
and I have been talking about that because uh you know, we we do have some opportunities for the you to do some improvements here in the park, but we want to make sure we have revenue sources for that too. So, that I strongly support, you know, Maria's efforts to get our fees in line, particularly when it comes to non-residents. I mean, I think
everything we can do for residents, we should do. they own the park, you know, but the non-residents, the visitors, you know, we should look at making them pay whatever we consider whatever you guys and the council consider to be a fair share because I think right now we we may not be getting that. And since I
work right across the way, I see how much this park is used and you all did a great job with it, but you know, we can we have some opportunities to raise some revenues there and the marina, we should look at that. Is there any progress with AJ moving his vehicles over to the old church?
>> Yes. Uh I know that the Green Turtle Hammock is not technically a park, but you know, it's we want to make it more of one. And so we did a little surprise site visit uh I guess last week, week before. I I took our building official, planning director there and and uh told
public works that they were had immediate uh directive to move everything out of Green Turtle. They've already started. Um we went to the church if you go by the church, the old church. Uh the back parking lot is filling up with all the equipment from green turtle. Um so we are that is an
active um and >> maybe not as quickly as I want, but it's yes, the green turtle I went there today. I went there last week. Green turtle is being vacated by public works. >> How about back here? >> Yeah, >> that's next on the list. Uh, I wanted both of them, but AJ told me that
basically he doesn't think there's enough room at the church for both Green Turtle and this. Uh, so as an aside, Mr. Realtor, I have been looking informally at other locations uh, where we can move public works. I don't think the church will fit everything that he has uh, that
public works has, but uh, we are looking a couple other sites where maybe we can rent or something where because we definitely want to get them out of here. I mean, that's in the master plan that I think everybody agrees on that one. they shouldn't be here. Uh but the question is where is there to go and you as you know there's not a lot of places at
least affordable that we can move public works. So I'm looking at different options but if you have any ideas I'm open to them because we want to get them out of here and I don't and I think the mass has put them on the hill. I don't really like that idea either because that's a really nice area and should be more natural not make it more junky
because it is junky right now. >> Yeah. The only one that comes to mind right now is just the Sands property. I don't know how much room they have left because they have been doing >> that's one of the properties I looked at, but apparently uh they entered into a lease with somebody else. I'm not sure how long the lease is. And so right now
there's not enough room for us to go there. I did I was approached by a former council member. I think it was a a former mayor um and Philipsson who apparently uh he uh he had looked into it and and talked to George Sans and they came back and said too late. We've
already he's already rented out a major portion of it. But that's an example of where we're looking. There's other there's some other places that Aquedex's currently currently using for storage. The contractors are that we may look at too, but we definitely want them out of the
park. >> We waste. >> Yeah. >> On that side. >> Yeah. >> Is he owns that as well that they've been using? >> The problem with that, we don't know how long they're keep how long that's going to be going on.
Thank you very much. >> Yeah, I know we're kind of getting off kind of off the >> No, no, no. I I think this is I don't answer any questions, so that's fine. >> No, this is helpful to kind of clear the deck of things that maybe we may be hanging over our heads so we can move to.
>> But to go back to to reiterate strongly, I've suggested at this point that's not direction that AJ get his stuff out of here. Um but the the problem is where to take it. We have the church. We're doing a structural analysis on the church for the inside the church, but the parking lot it's it's filling up. If you want to
go by there after the meeting, um you look at that back parking lot. I went by there and a lot of the equipment has been moved from Grand Turtle over to the church. >> Great. >> Anything else? >> Anything else, Christie? And I don't remember who else is online, but if you
guys have anything, please speak up. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Hey, hey, it's Natasha early. The only thing I thought about while we were talking about South Winds, um I feel like that park you did used to be thriving when the Alamado Foundation had it. Um and now, yeah, it's pretty
desolate. Um I always enjoyed when the Christmas lights were there and I know I mentioned that to Pete and he was going to kind of look into it. So, I don't know if maybe that's something that could happen again in that area. They had really pretty um lights all down the palm trees. Um, and then just thinking
about another way to get maybe people there is having something like a little art box there. Kind of like how people have like a um with the library books like give a book, take a book, like have that but like an art setup where you can kind of get little art supplies there. I don't know. Just an idea. Um, but that's
it. while we were talking about Southwinds >> and my recollection of the council meeting was that when we're looking at our contract for holiday lights would be maybe to have something at Southwinds where rather than putting us putting out lights, I think they talked about having a contest with students or something,
you know, for the lighting. I don't remember what what the details were, but I do I think it was Southwinds they were talking about. Is that your recollection, Maria? >> Okay. I'm I'm saying Southwinds would be a nice place to do something like that because we as I said I think it's a
great spot but nobody's not nobody but very little usage of it and I think you we want to get more people there and there's parking too. I mean not a lot of parking but there's more parking than >> I said very little but there's some parking there and and there's some surrounding businesses I'm sure that
would be open certain hours letting people you if there's a like a holiday thing you want to do there they probably would be open-minded to letting us use some of that. So >> great. >> I don't know if that answered the question. I was having a hard time hearing it. >> Yeah, I'll second that Natasha's
comment. You know how I I think if if you wanted to attract people there, tourists and community members, um having some kind of Christmas lights or something that you might go and stop and have your picture taken in front of just like they do in front of the hurricane monument. People go there, take their
picture and post it. I think that is a super idea to use that park. Great. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much, Ron. There's nothing else. Okay. Um,
Maria, are there any other emergency agenda? Anything else besides we because we have a very important core core item to handle. So, is there public comment? Is there anybody here for
>> public? >> No public comment. Okay. In that case, let's move then to the staff report and if you'll bring us up to date on pool stuff and all the rest of the things. You guys have done a lot of work on
this. So, I will turn this over to you, Maria, Annie. >> All right. >> Whatever is next. >> Yes. We'll go ahead and Vince uh load up the presentation. Is my mic working? >> Yes. >> Okay,
here we go. All right, so as you're aware, we have been tasked by village council and our village manager uh during our budget workshops um with evaluating ways to increase revenue through our existing user fees and to explore any additional um revenue
opportunities. >> And Annie, could I intro interrupt you just for a minute? And this is for clarity for me because I didn't realize for a long time that the park is not by itself a self- sustaining operation. The
park is part of the general fund. So when we go saying is the park making enough money, this is a part of the general fund and it is a part of the commitment by the village that the park
be a a representation of village responsibility and that it's available to us. But this does not have to be a self- sustaining fundraising thing. Now did I say that right? >> Yes, that's correct. because for a long
time I I was unclear about that, >> right? >> And so just as some background, does that make sense to everybody? >> So this is general fund >> but money that is is allocated for the park as part of the general commitment
of the general budget. That's >> and the marina is not included in that. Correct. That's correct. No, the marina is a separate department and they are an enterprise fund. So very different, right? >> Um exactly what you said. This is service driven. The tax, everything in our budget is to cover the operations.
All of the fees that we um collect are, you know, help to offset it, but it is the general fund, not directly earmarked to certain, you know, services. >> Okay, great. Thank you. And thank you for >> Thank you for >> that was helpful for me to understand
long ago. So, I think >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. So, and obviously with that, our goal is to offset that budget and and operational impacts um while ensuring the continued quality and sustainability and accessibility of our parks and recreation facilities um as we
face rising costs and maintenance, staffing um and utilities. So, we've kind of begun these conversations um over the last few meetings. uh but we have come up with I think a good outline and and a phased approach to to looking
at this. Um so starting in phase one which we'll go over a lot of these this evening we'll talk about our park admission policies and procedures uh our contractual service providers that is one that we are hoping to get some support on tonight as their contracts
have to be renewed for October 1st. Um, and then moving into our daily admissions, memberships, park facility rentals, pool team rentals, and a few new fees that we have. So, overall, this is all of covered in this report will be
everything all of our existing um fees and then a few new ones. And then phase two would be looking at our special events policy. Um, and that one, there's just no way we could have covered that tonight. and it will take probably more time to evaluate and and analyze and
bringing in um you know having maybe some workshops that's a heavier heavier topic and meeting you know making sure that all stakeholders are involved charitable organizations those that that do events here in the park. Um so our current fee structure and uh special
events policy well our existing uh admission um policies have been in place since the park was incorporated and and began. Um our current fee schedule and the special events policy was
established in 2007. Uh we did re-evaluate started re-evaluating it in 2018. It was um just after Irma and so the manager then had decided that we should probably table this. It's not the right time to increase user fees after
we're still um recovering. So then when we came back in 2020 to do that again of course then we had the pandemic. So again it was the direction to now is not the right time to be adjusting them. People are recovering from um you know
pandemic and loss of jobs and all of that. So, here we are finally evaluating them and uh we look forward to hearing your input. Okay. So, our park admission policies. So, currently um Founders Park allows
for free access for all Mara residents. So, that's property owners, long-term renters uh as well as any resort, hotel, motel, or rental home guests. So, if you are staying here in Alam Marada and can show proof of it, uh you are allowed free access to the park and then pay a
small fee to use the pool, the resident rate to use the pool. All other non-resident visitors pay park entrance fee um and then uh the additional pool fee if they wish to um use the pool. Um
we do have elevated prices for holiday weekends that includes Easter, Memorial Day, July 4th, and Labor Day. And then we have elevated prices for our summer weekends uh Memorial Day through Labor Day. And then um the non-resident we
have a certain rate for non-resident memberships as well. Um we do offer a military uh full discount for uh military and so that is a waved fee for the park and the pool for active military veterans with honorable discharge veterans with service
connected disabilities and up to four immediate family members. So this evening's considerations throughout um we have we have some recommendations on fees and then a lot of uh items that we'd just like to kind of have a
starting point and have your feedback on. Um our staff has completed a comparative review of all the user fees across several municipality municipal parks and aquatic facilities in South Florida. Um as you know there's really
no direct comparison to Founders Park. We're uniquely positioned um with all of our sports amenities, the Olympic size pool and the beach all being on one property is pretty pretty unique. Um and we proudly consider us the the crown
jewel. So yes, we don't feel there's a a direct comparison. Um but in our review, there was a wide range of fee structures across the region. So um many municipal parks are open free of charge for both residents and non-residents.
um admission fees for the aquatic centers range. And again, we kind of looked at these in comparative to, you know, what parks have the same amenities. Um and then the aquatic facilities as well, same size, same features, Olympic size. Um so we did
compare those and so those ranged anywhere from $3 to $18 for adults. Um, so with that in mind, or I'm sorry, with the beach access uh policies that also varied, a lot of them were free access
and then some of them were um metered parking. So while you didn't have to pay an entrance fee, you paid for parking. So that's another um area. So I would say our our with that in mind um what we're proposing is not to become
an outlier but bring our fees in line with regional market um while still preserving the community first spirit of our parks. Um so our core goals I think in the fold we'd like to maintain balance of usage of our facilities. So
keeping them welcoming, accessible and overcrowded. Uh ensure consistency in annual revenues. So to support the operations um and then perhaps most importantly strike the right balance. So while an
increase in fees is necessary, we do want to ensure to not overpric ourselves or place ourselves um be an outlier and place an undue burden on our residents. So that was kind of our thought process going into this.
Um so as we move forward into fees some of the considerations um obviously maintaining resident and resident guest access as the community benefit taxpayers. We don't want to change that. Some of the things that we discussed at previous meetings was the
idea of a new daily rate for Monroe County residents um our neighbors. Um, and then the membership fee increase of up to 30%. So, when we look at these fees, we we don't see it going, we would not recommend raising that any further.
So, that was just kind of the high end to start with and and we'll get your feedback on whether you think that's too high or we should come down. But, at that rate, having not adjusted over the years, it really in comparison kind of it puts us at that market rate.
Um and then the other item to to discuss and consider when we were tasked to come up with um you know where else how can we produce more revenues. One of the immediate things and not that we're recommending but something um to
consider is our access policy allowing all Marada hotel and rental home guests the free access. So that we can say if we were to start charging that would definitely have an impact and increase in revenues. So again, just putting that
out there for discussion um you know, considering that may be something and obviously at the council level um to consider and maybe other um stakeholders as well to have a more more conversation on that, more public input
that um just to kind of weigh in on it, that policy was established, as Annie said, when the park um was originally built. So it's a uh policy that um the original council developed and I thought it was a good policy
because um just to generate more tourism allow for tourism come to Alam Marada promote Alam Marada as a tourist destination come to and stay in our hotels and you get free
access to the park. So that was something that was originated from the beginning and um >> that was 25 years ago. >> 25 years ago. >> Just checking. Yeah. >> Believe me, it's used. The park is definitely used by our tourist and our
hotel guests and so forth. So um it's something to consider. It's >> question on that. Is the amusement tax that the resorts does that go to us at all? county >> like on the the amusement tax for hotels >> TDC
>> the TDC money does that come here >> yep >> yeah we we do have a lot of projects we do apply for a lot of their grants and we are usually awarded a good amount so that is that's one of the ideas you know I don't know how that would d you know
would disqualify us or would that be frowned upon um >> yeah I would want to make sure we what we do. >> Right. >> Right. So, those are some of the other things to consider. >> So, go ahead. I want to make sure you
get through and then I what I want to make sure is that we handle these issues in the top priority that you have, which I know has to do with your immediate timeline and the contractors. So, that we handle that. >> Yes. >> So, you go ahead.
>> Exactly. And I kind of have them in in that. Sorry, in that order. So again, the kind of the immediate um conversation and and hope for support in our professional service provider. So we
have several um of our programs that are offered by contract instructors. So they're not direct employees of the village, so they're on contract. And that would include our fitness, free diving instruction, uh developmental and learn to swim programs, springboard diving, synchronized swim club, tennis
and pickle ball, youth swim club, adult masters program, and water aerobic. So a big chunk of what we do here. And so with that um and how that works, the contractors are we have an agreement they are to provide recreation and
instructional services. And that would include private and group lessons, clinics, camps, clubs, meets, tournaments, leagues, and other special events. Um, they are really, it's their business. We're here to support their business and using the facilities. Um,
their overall program growth. I mean, again, it's their business. They are they are responsible for that. Um and and our give back in of the agreement would be again providing the facilities, the space for the program, storage space, um a bulk of the administrative
support that is the registration processing. So we handle all of the paperwork, um the collection of fees, so all of the registration and then we do provide promotional support as well. So we do promote them on all of our village websites. We create their flyers, some
of their content. um we put them on the marquee um all of our social media accounts and even our direct marketing contacts. So outside of that, of course, they can go beyond um with other recruitment efforts as well. So um it's
a good relationship. It it's it definitely our programs are are really um top-notch here. So we we do want to keep uh with all of our current providers. Um so but one of the things we're looking at again our current
contract split is a 90% uh or 10% is retained for the village of 10% of the funds collected are retained by the village and then we pay out that 90% to the contractor. Um and that split has also been in place since these
programs were established since these contracts started and some of them have been here for the 20 20 plus years as well. Um so we are you know it's it's really kind of a time as costs have gone
up uh we are also um you know in in the supportive side for them. We are gain we are uh actively working on building out a recreation management software which will be amazing for the department. It will streamline all of our processes.
Um, allowing for self-service on the website for registrations and payments of programs, allow for better reporting. Right now, things are are definitely a little antiquated and uh, you know, just a lot more efficiency. So, we're happy to have that coming on, but that is an
expensive service as well. >> When I see Alicia shaking her head actively, >> she's excited. >> It's going to make lives much easier. Yeah. >> So that is on the horizon. So with that and again the overall conversation of
increasing um revenues looking at um increasing that percentage to f by 5%. So the village would retain 15% of the funds collected and then the instructor would be paid out 85%.
>> So that's our that is our recommendation via the staff's recommendation. Um we've been just so you know we've been uh talking to our contractors about this the last two weeks. So we are in discussion with our our contractors. So
this is not a surprise and we are and we do have a very good working relationship with all of them and um we want to continue that and they they provide excellent service to this community and we definitely want to keep them happy as
well. And uh we think this increase is you know is it's a a slight increase and it won't hurt them in their pocket as much as you know we don't want to raise it to a point where it's going to really hurt them if we increase it to 20% or
25% I think it would affect their program and their participation rate and all that and that's something we don't want to do. That's what I was going to ask. Is this going to make them increase a substantial amount on their fees that
the that are paid to them and through the discussion some of them said we may may have to raise the fees. Some some other contractors said no. I think it's it's we're still fair. So it'll be up to the contractor to uh
decide um on those rates. But again, you know, we would work with them on that. >> Um, this is this is Christy. I just want to make a comment. I do think it's it's kind of a drag. I mean, it really is it
amounts to a pay decrease for the the instructors and surely that's got to be passed on to the to their students, you know. So, just I felt like I needed to say it, you
know. It's a bummer. That's an accurate statement. >> Have we evaluated um what their fees have gone up over the past several years? Because I'm sure their fee structure has gone up and ours hasn't. So,
>> I say some of the program fees have gone up slightly through the years. >> Yeah. >> Um the tennis I believe the tennis program raised their fees a little bit last year. it. They've been gradually going up every year, but not substantially. I
>> Yeah, this this is Christy. I I can speak to tennis because I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars on tennis over the last 10 years for my kids and myself and the the rates have have the rates are reasonable. I and they haven't gone up a lot. Um, you
know, I hate to see I I I just hate to to see a pay decrease for the instructors. That's all. Yeah, because we're talking about 5%. [Music] >> Correct. >> 5%. Uh would it be possible, I know this
is the first thing that we're looking at, >> uh to look at the other fee increases first because this one will likely translate to cost from our community families. >> So, we're going to likely have to pay a little bit more for things as they make
less. So maybe we can table this one um and look at other ones like the rentals and things like that where we can re we can increase and then come back to that and see if there we can we can make up the cost somewhere else. >> I love that because it's a 50% increase
for for the instructors. It's a that's a 50% increase in what they pay to the village. So, I I would rather see the cost borne by non-residents. >> I'd like to offer a couple of thoughts somewhat echoing Shannon. Um, if we
could consider a differential approach depending on frankly whether it's adults or youth. Um, and I don't feel I have a conflict of interest. Even though I'm part of the Adult Master
Swim, I'm willing to pay more. But if you have any program geared to adults, and I'm not picking on any of these programs, again, this affects me too. Water aerobics, adult master swim, tennis and pickle
ball, fitness programs run by the lady during the winter. These are adult oriented programs where we make a decision and say if the instructor has to raise their fees to cover the costs, well, I'm an adult. I make the decision.
I'm going to pay more monthly and know that I'm helping to support founders and thereby offset some of their cost increase and separate out any youth programs.
John Olsen has a much larger high school swim team this year. I think Rich would back me up on that. He's added a considerable number of youngsters. And I would love it if some of these youngsters when the high school swimming
program ends if they would continue swimming with FKSC during the rest of the year. And hopefully we could keep our prices lower for the kids in that youth swim so that it would be more
affordable if any parents are on the fence as to whether or not they can afford it. Likewise, I will also use the example of Kelly. >> Kelly started with nothing, >> zero. There is no springboard diving
here at Founders Park two years ago. And now she has built what appears to be a healthy, thriving program. Not only Aaron with the high school, but when I'm here in the afternoons, I see her with 10 or 12 youngsters in her private free
diving program. And then finally, the other example I would use is how well Isa Crawford has done with her synchronized swimming program. Those youngsters have done very well competing at the national level. I would hate to
see her have any of her youngsters who are participating have their parents faced with the increased cost. Oh, can I keep putting my daughter in that because they've done well. She's taken them
along well. if we could separate out some way. Hey, the adults make a decision, an adult decision. I'll pay a little bit more to use this vendor from the park and for the children. Okay, we're going to cut it. I realize that
would give you two fee structures to contend with, but I would at least put it out there for your consideration. And before I turn off my mic, I would wholeheartedly endorse entrance fees and user fees
for hotel and home house rental guests. Before I moved down here, I came to Founders after while staying in various hotels and condo and house rentals. And they gave me a little placard that I can
get. I think it's reasonable to expect those people to pay. I would rather see that fee increase and save a little money on the youth. And as an adult who uses it, again, I feel no conflict of interest. I would be paying more. I would rather see me paying more than
some kid trying to learn springboard diving or swimming. Thank you. >> Yeah, very good points. >> I agree with John. >> Okay. >> Very good points. Um, I think if you're, you know, a resort guest or even in a in
a rental home, you know, you could afford it, >> right? >> Well, we we've kind of got two separate things. >> Yeah. Both of both of which are very valid. Um, let's hold that one for just a second and come back to John's point,
which I think is excellent. I think that's a very good distinction that programs that are focused on local youth, which is really what it is. So those programs that are focused on local youth and those people that are coaching and have actually created those local
youth programs that I see as a as a good clear distinction between an adult program which is has been created by the contractors also. But I think that's a
that is a that's a very good distinction that I think we can look at. The second one that you're talking about, Lena, is >> No, I was saying yes to both. >> Okay. Well, I mean that's but that's a kind of a second that's a second issue
that let's let's handle that one because >> that's a separate issue. And from what Shannon said too is that maybe we can not look at changing the split and look at creating other fees somewhere else
>> and really and then keeping the 9010 split the same and make up different fees somewhere else could be non-resident >> so you don't have to um we don't have to adjust that. So no it's a good conversation and I think it's good to
continue. >> We could always go back Well, don't I hear a timesensitive decision, however, that you all need to make in terms of renewing the contract with the contractors with the various
>> go to it after the meeting. I mean, I mean later in the meeting. >> Yeah. But you've got a timeline. You've got to decide. >> Today? Yeah. Today. >> Why don't we do it? We can go we can >> we can go through the rest of the fees and and then revisit it once we've seen
things and um if we decide that we support keeping it the same for this year we can also keep the same >> yeah we can keep it the same for this year and you know evaluate that further for next year's >> well well um I did have some one thing
on the subject um citing scale for um lowinccome um I've >> had a few people ask me. I actually gave somebody a couple hundred bucks because I wanted their kid to get learn how to swim. He was two years old. We don't I can't find it anywhere here where they
have a sliding scale um for somebody that's in habitat or these homes. That's really important. I need, you know, we need the young kids to learn how to swim. >> So, I haven't heard anything in the village for that. um if there's a program, if we have to create a grant or
something, right? >> Um I understand the instructors get paid as a contract, so they don't work for us, so we can't do anything. >> We can't force them to, >> but Right. >> Yeah. I think it's kind of sad that a kid has to go to Kelargo to go learn how to swim because they have a sliding scale up there or they do, you know, they do.
>> So, I just want to bring up >> recommendation. >> Yeah, it's it's something I heard about the time. Do you want any motions as I sometimes do or do you want to just take it with the discussion? >> I think we can just continue the
discussion and we could go back. >> Do you want to complete your presentation since we sidelined you? I just want to be responsive to the fact that I know you've got a timeline on these contracts. >> Yes. before we leave, it would have a good, you know, it would be good to have
a consensus of the committee of what you'd like to see that be. >> Okay. >> So, we can move through it. So, I did throw up on this uh slide, and you do have it. I did print you guys a copy of what's on the slides, and this is um the overall uh contractual service
providers. This is their overall income. Unfortunately, again, our system's very integrated. So, our swim instruction profile, it includes three of our contractors. the Florida Keys Swim Club, John Olsen, our learn to swim with Colleen, and then the M's program with
Jen. So that amount, that is the total revenue coming in for those programs. And so that's before the 10%. So that just gives you an idea. Um, again, if you know, I wouldn't say obviously tennis is a very successful program
whereas these other ones are are much smaller. So that impact like you said could be greater and so we're open to the idea of what you're saying keeping it the same and we can maybe offset and just in the other areas where we're increasing.
So we'll keep that in mind I guess as we go through and then we can come back and if you're still in support of that that's what we'll do. Okay, let's see. Okay, so um this is our membership rate sheet. And I thought this would be
kind of the easiest way to display the information with the changes. And we can if you need to. I know that screen's probably hard to see from your chair. I did in your packet um give you that sheet. So, uh we do offer
um a variety of memberships uh from so the resident again they have free park access and to the far right you'll see what what they pay for the pool and so the daily rates um we were looking at raising and again all of these are
proposed at 30 this is the 30%. And so, um, that would be the maximum that we would want to bring it to. If you felt that those that was too big of an increase, we could we could go down, but this was comparable to what the
market rates were. So looking at the um looking at the daily fees. So for the youth or senior age going from $2 to $3, the adult fee going daily fee going from $3 to $5. Um and then getting into uh
our threemonth option, annual options, and then our 10 pack punch cards. So, if you want to I don't know if you want me to read these off or you guys want to just kind of review them, but if that um you know kind of get gauging what your
thoughts were for that percentage and this was actually it's 30% but some of them look like a little bit more because I rounded them to the nearest five or 10 so that it wasn't an awkward number. Annie, how do you collect these or I mean do people come in with a card
that's >> um yes so they register in the office and then we issue them a card and then we're verifying the expiration date when they come in. And so um again with our new system we're really excited for just better tracking and reporting but it
will be a key fob that they will actually scan um and a picture comes up so similar to what you see in like gyms and maybe other facilities. So that's exciting. >> I did want to add I know it's minor but
to me um pool X active military I think reserve and should also be included. I'm not a reserve anymore. I'm retired >> but I think it should be in there. >> Military reserves. >> Yeah, we have a lot of reserves that live down here.
the base that they reserve base. So you'll have the population from there is is uh there's some active folks on there too but it's there's a large reserve contingent >> about 1,200 or so. >> Oh wow. >> Okay.
What is the traditional or common or what what what is routinely done? Is that a distinction? >> Is there a distinction normally in things like this park fees between
active >> or reserve? >> We're just military >> military >> and and you you can't tell on the card on your military ID card. >> I don't think there isn't a designation that says something different. So, your active military card and your reserve military card will look identical.
>> Okay. Yeah. >> No, it it really isn't. >> I don't think we've had an issue. I think honestly people have probably been getting in >> because I've not seen that distinction. But you're right to have it really identified as a written policy. We could
I don't see >> add that. >> Yeah. I don't see that being a big >> impact. They're probably already getting in with what they're showing us. So I this looks very reasonable. I had to do some math on my calculator to see
what it really was. But even looking and I'm only on the resident page, but the family up to four members for that proposed 290. That's less than $25 a month. These are all >> Yeah. for what we have and for what is offered. That is
>> in my in my opinion that's very reasonable. >> And um we did do research as well um on other municipal pools and other locations throughout South Florida and about our
rates and compared our rates to other municipalities and and the recommendations are comparable. what we're recommending is definitely um not higher, not really much lower. It's kind of in between. >> Pretty pretty in line with the rate. Um
and even with Jacob's um I think >> Yeah, I I would agree. >> So, they still are reasonable rates and and again, we're municipality, not a a resort or private club either. So, it's
kind of we still keep your rates, you know. I agree with Shannon. I think I think the rates are quite reasonable. Um, we have to remember what the facilities that we do have. It's not just coming into the park and then you pay for the pool, but you have the
beach, you have the dog park, you have pickle ball, you have you can play tennis, all without any charge. So, I I think just with all of that that's included, um I think the the rates are quite
reasonable. >> I I still I I still question, but yes, I agree except the Monroe County fee because basically what we just did is the batty switch on them. So, it's the same as it is now. Right. >> This is Okay. So, this is the resident side. We can move if you guys want go
ahead and move into the non-resident. >> So, everyone >> on the back side. Is so is the committee comfortable with the rates for the residents? Is that >> kind of a consensus here? >> I think it's good. I would vote. Okay. >> That's good.
>> That is good. Okay. So now on the back the back side, you're looking at your non-resident fees >> and it was the same thing with the 30%. Um so looking at those. So, this is where you look at the daily charges um and what we've proposed up top based
on previous conversations and kind of what we hear to from the community um our neighbors um neighboring communities is having a discount. So, um I think our last meeting we had drafted up a proposal and that rate was a little bit
less. We we felt that I don't know that we should be lessening fees. Um, so we did put for our Monroe County resident parkonly entrance fee to maintain what we currently charge the the five for youth or seniors and the $8 for adults.
That's our current rate, but this would be for Monroe County residents ID. >> Yeah, I was going to make mention of that when I first glanced at and really put it in the form of a commendation. I I you I salute you for that
consideration. Um, I think Monroe County residents are somewhat kinderred in a lot of ways to begin with and I think that consideration that we would extend to Kargo Marathon, our friends in Key West, you know, sort of fosters maybe some reciprocation in the future. But,
uh, I thought I I thought that was a good move. >> Okay. And then looking to the right of that would become the new total non-resident visitor. So, non Monunroe County visitor would that fee would increase from 5 to 7. And then for for the I'm sorry for youth and senior. And
then for the adults it would increase from $8 to $10. Um so that would be the increase there. That was our regular daily fee. The the column next to that to the right that is
our holiday and weekend I'm sorry our holiday weekends again including Easter, Memorial Day, July 4th and Labor Day. And then our summer weekend operations, Memorial Day through Labor Day, that's our elevated holiday price. And so we
we'll see how you guys feel. Just in looking at comparisons and um we really to increase that fee just seemed really it seemed to be a lot comparatively. Um
and of course we're open for your feedback, but that's just what we're proposing here. Um, and again, we did increase increasing the pool fee to the three and five. That's another increase. And so, if that person was coming in um for a holiday weekend, they're paying
the 10 and 15 at the gate and then they're coming to the pool and paying three and five. So, overall, they are going to pay more. Um, it just seemed like that was a pretty steep already. Again, that's just from our research,
but we are open to to your feedback. And I think maybe to start out is the fees right now are currently eight and five for across the board for non you know for non-residents. So I don't know if
the committee feels that those if those fees should be raised. Do you think that is where we should be? And if not then we we got to start then you start there to do a slight increase. Um,
and you can change even the Maro County resident if you feel that that should change as in if it should just be less. I mean, there's there's different ways of doing, you know, increasing the fees or >> so what you're saying is so where it
says Marada guests in Monroe County Park only. Yes. Three and five is the current rate. >> Oh, do you have you have the old sheet? Did you bring that with you today? >> I did. >> Okay. That is an old draft. >> Okie dokie. >> We've done some >> No wonder I was lost.
>> Oh my goodness. I'm so sorry. That new packet has the updates. >> Got it. >> Uhhuh. >> Yeah. The current fee right now for non-residents is eight and five and >> from what we've heard and is that we
>> that there should that should be increased, right? And so that is the first initial increase. So, um, and that's what we're recommending. If you want to increase those fees current, that would be the increase or you could
go less, but it'd be $8 for adults and seven for youth and student. >> 10 for adults. >> 10. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, the the changes are marked in red. >> Okay. >> So, that Monunroe County is a completely new rate and we our thoughts were to
just keep it what our existing rate is now and to increase increase for all other visitors. >> So, so the comment >> Oh, I see. Okay. So, this >> No, so it's Monroe County would stay
this >> Yeah. And then it would be like the renters would be getting the increase. any other anybody not staying in Isa Marada and any other non
um resident visitors Monunroe County re that that fee would just be for residents not Monroe County visitors or staying in hotels that is purely just the resident discount so that >> and staying in motel >> and >> that is only if we consider that change
so that's the difference between that last draft it really read we didn't want it to read that that's what we We wanted that to be more of a discussion, not what we were proposing. >> Gotcha. >> That was just an option. It was open, but we kind of wanted to tailor this a little better. So, right now
that obviously if we because we would need to have more meetings about that policy. So, that could maybe come at a later, but that could be an option. Our local resorts would pay the same that Monroe County residents are would pay. Um so in any event that next column
would be all other non-residents not staying in Alamrada just day trippers just um what is our regular you know setup now. >> Mhm. >> Annie, do you have any projection if you
took the revenue that is currently coming in with the current fees and I just mean right now as a total >> Mhm. and move the same number of people into the new fees.
Do you have a sense of what the increase of that revenue would be? >> Um, yeah, I could do that. That's assuming it all stays the same. I get that. But >> can we talk while she's doing that?
>> Can we what? >> Can we talk while she's doing that? No, we'll let her. Okay. >> Yeah. Go ahead, David. Go ahead. >> No, just so in the in the whole line. So, Monroe County residents, we've talked about this before about doing
some break. Um, and I think from an 85, which is what it is today, >> we didn't really do anything, right? So, we're doing, you know, I get it. So, I'm really wanted to propose doing something a little better than that for them to come up come up here from Kar if they come here, whatever.
You know, make five bucks to get in, whatever. I mean from kilargo to marathon because this just looks like to me like well you didn't really do any you know you guys increased your rates and you don't know I just thought we should do something that >> oh are you thinking about increasing
them? No, no, no, no. >> Decrease Monro County residents. I agree with the hotel. I want to visit that because we get a lot more revenue out of that other site >> because but you know guy that lives in Tavir paying >> eight bucks that's not coming right now.
And then he comes he goes, "Well, wait a minute. You guys didn't do anything. You just didn't give me the increase." >> Right. >> That's So that was something I hope we can do something with the hotel resort. And that's a big that's going to be a big money.
>> Well, what I'm hearing is there are really three variables that we're dealing with, >> right? >> One of the variables has to do with Monroe County or not Monroe County. One of the variables has to do with with whether or not we do something with the
guests that are and then the third variable is the percentage that goes to the contractors. Mhm. >> So if we're looking at what is the overall revenue that is looking to be provided by those
people who are using the park that's what those are the three factors that I can see. >> Yes. So all three of those are worthy of >> and if it's helpful for you guys to look at now I did put a it's on the next
slide um but in your pack I did put our revenue accounts the totals again our system's pretty antiquated so sorting out um well in terms of me I guess memberships and and the contractors but you can see
here um with our park revenues These are all of our accounts. Um, so when you look at the park entrance fee, okay, that is all of our non-resident that's those are our totals. >> That's the 3648
>> 36485, >> right? And that's that's to today's that was actually to yesterday's date. So we still have about a month and um a week of re you know revenue potential. So it's it's stayed >> week. It's pretty pretty well. But let
me see what the So the projection I think would be >> I thought your fiscal year starts October one >> about a week. >> So you have about a week. >> Oh yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. >> Yes, you're right. >> You're right. I update. Last meeting I had it updated and there was a month
left. You're correct. I did update those that last column. I did update that yesterday. Sorry. Oh my god. I've been crunching too many numbers. Okay. So 8 to 10 would be uh I guess let's see what the percentage is and then we could just
>> this is >> increase that percentage >> right to that number. >> No just to so what you're looking at is an increase of 20% in revenue back into the general fund from these sources.
>> Well from from yes from what's on paper now. Not including if we were to um start charging hotel guests in Alamada. That's a different number. But right here, a 20% increase, >> right? A 20% increase off of 36,000 or
364,885. So another >> 70 grand. Yeah. >> Yeah. But >> we've been fairly consistent with our revenues, so I think that's a safe >> Yeah. So
>> let's how do how do you feel about the rate the way the current rate is now the new adult eight and youth and senior five? Do you really think that should be raised? You know is that something that you think that that park fee should be raised for non-residents? And that's
probably good discussion right there. Do you think that should be stay where it's at or should it be raised? Um, >> I personally do not think it could be raised. And, you know, to what Dave was saying
>> and what I think is data that's very hard to capture with how we um, >> accept fees and things like that and check IDs is what what is the percentage of Monroe County residents that come in that are from Keargo and Harry Harris
and you know that are here anyway, right? you know, putting money into tennis and swim and soccer and all these other things and then they come for the weekend and they go and now I have to pay more. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, that's what that's what I hear out and about. Right.
>> So, again, that would be one of those things and I agree with Dave. if there's a way to maybe maybe reduce that a little bit and maybe get that money back from the hotels, from the rentals, from another source of
income rather than because I don't know the number of people that come up from Marathon and Key West. And maybe it's a maybe it's a large percentage, but I don't know and I don't think we know >> Yeah. >> in our data set. >> That's the hard part though with our system. But I do know a lot of folks from Kardo um and all the way up to the
bridge that come in that have families and and >> pay for all the programs and then pay again for >> just to come out and >> got if I have a child if I live outside of outside of the village but I live in
Keargo >> and I have a child who's in the tennis program or the swim program. What happens when I come to the gate? >> Oh, you just say, "I've got a kid. I'm going to tennis." You don't pay. >> But if you're just coming for a family day at the beach,
>> okay, >> not for an organized event, >> then then you >> Well, that's another variable. if you have and that maybe having your program may be a little bit better. If someone
is actively paying for a child or people that are actively engaged in youth programs, then maybe they get a different rate on the weekend if they come in when the program's not, you know, they want to go practice tennis or they want to do something in the pool.
>> That's the reason I think that's conversation. So basically what Dave is saying is that for Maro County you definitely want to you want you want to see a like a good discount not not basically what we're what we're doing
now. So you would like to see maybe just $5 per person going back >> not >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We have options. The last the previous draft was a five and three. >> Yeah. um three three for the kids, five
for the adults. We've also considered maybe just a $5 per person if you're Monroe County resident. >> And then of course the pool fee would still apply. That applies to everybody. >> So what is the charge now? >> So the the >> for Monroe County resident. >> Well, right now they are in line with
any other nonresident visitor. So it's $8 for adults, $5 for kids or seniors. >> So what we had proposed Yeah. here was to keep them at our existing rate and raise it for every other non-resident visitor to that seven and 10. But if
that feels too high, I mean, we're we're open to that's that's the feedback we're >> Yeah. So, >> I like your idea of I like your idea of the three and five. I really do. And I think anything that we would lose there would certainly be offset by the charges to the resort and and uh vacation
>> vacation rental. >> Come down here and spend $600 a night at a resort. I don't think they're going to, you know, turn around at at the gate and head back uh cuz we're charging an extra couple dollars or whatever, $5, $10, whatever it is. >> Or you could make it, I mean, you can
make it super simple. Five bucks a person. It's free if you're under 10 or over 65 or something like that. And just make it very simple idea >> for Monroe County. Yeah. >> From Monroe County. >> Can they write that down? >> And consideration. So, I guess does the
committee feel that the the rates that are right now for non-residents, the eight and five, should that be increased or just leave it the same? Do you think that rate is a fair rate at this point or do you >> I think we're all going for three and five.
>> I think we're all >> No, for the non-residental to regular non uh county resident that total non-resident category. I like all of your other increases.
>> I do. >> I think it's all very reasonable. >> Yeah. And really in cons and again this was these membership rates went up with the 30% and compared to the daily fees and that's really these memberships. These are your locals buying this. This is not
>> we I don't see that we have a whole lot of non-county residents buying these memberships. So, these are really geared to our our neighbors and they're reasonable if you add up, you know, how much it cost a family to get in here for the day, 30, you know, to the pool, 36 bucks a day versus, you know, look at
your three month and annual options if you're coming here regularly. Those are still very reasonable. >> Well, even snowbirds, they're here January, February, March or, you know, they're going to buy the three-month membership anyway. >> Right. Right. Yeah. So, those I think we
do feel. really fair. You know, the daily is a >> Yeah, that >> I think the daily is I think I agree. >> But you're proposing new grades. Yeah, makes sense. >> The only thing I want to make sure they
check with the TDC that there's nothing weird there. >> Yeah, I don't want to lose anything. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of the touchy part of it is um getting getting those other that other feedback
>> just make sure that's all like just so they don't get >> caught. Well, that yeah, that's what I mean. What are what are the negative benefit or what would be the consequences of making that change and lessening that rate? Especially it's >> but you're we're going to raise like a 100 grand by doing this. You know that, right? >> It's it would be as substantial. I mean,
we Yeah. And then the the other one was we talked about this um was to keep the summer fee for the summer. I don't remember who proposed it, >> right? 15 and 10 rather than >> just keep it through the whole summer and end it Labor Day. Memorial Day to Labor Day or something like that
>> as opposed to just weekends. >> It should be in the minutes somewhere. >> Yeah. Do you guys Somebody had made that recommendation. Um it's one idea. the impacts on the during the week are really just not the same. It's not the
same usage. So, we felt that's kind of that price might be a little unreasonable for, you know, not that much activity and it's not an impact on space and >> but I think that the assumption was people are coming from homestead or wherever they're coming for the day on Tuesday and you know what they're using
our facility. I I don't >> I don't see a problem with I'm just letting you know that was our that's how we thought we're we're open to the feedback. >> Annie, where does the who pays for the extra security >> when we do have to have >> the park? We we pay for that. We pay the
general fund. >> Okay. So, regardless >> the detail >> regardless of usage Monday through Friday compared to the weekend, >> is there a requirement to have security there >> every day? >> Not during the week. No, cuz it's not the same impact.
>> Okay. >> Just the the weekends. >> Just the weekend. >> Okay. >> That's you're talking about all summer weekends >> and holiday weekends year round. >> Yeah. Yeah. The holiday Well, the holiday weekends are only those um four holidays.
>> And then in summer, it's every weekend of the summer months. >> Okay. >> It doesn't matter what. Well, we have to have police. We usually have police detail on the weekends. >> We do with the rates are holiday weekends and all summer long weekend.
>> All summer weekend. >> Weekend. >> Weekends. Yeah. Not during the week. Okay. So, where do we go next? And we're going to lose Richie pretty soon. So, we kind of agreed with the
lowering the Monroe County rate to three and five and taking the rentals and charging them if it's okay with the TDC. >> I second that
>> and the chamber. Yeah, I don't I don't think that one's fully fleshed out yet. >> Yeah, I don't I think that one's probably gonna we're probably going to hear something from an outside >> I think it may be a good idea to get
more public input on that >> from our our chamber um folks because >> well we know the problem is you know their the answer you know because no >> exactly >> I don't even know who tell or you know It's fine. So, I that's where the
chamber, you're right, we're going to be talking back and forth. And is this a council? >> This would be a council decision. >> We have time on this overall discussion with these fees. Um, I think we were looking at a date in October if it was
something we wanted to come back. Um, hoping to maybe bring this to them in November if we can, >> you know. >> So, be a park and re recommendation to to the council. Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Is there a consensus on that from the
from the committee? >> Well, let's try. >> Let's try to clarify it because again, we've got these three different variations >> and I don't know whether they need to be separated. We got Monroe County. We've got the um
>> resort guest. >> The resort guests >> and rental homes. >> And then you've got Yeah. Right. So what is the and then the objective is
to be able to have the revenue from the park which again goes into the general fund. It's not all coming back to the park, >> but there's that and then how do you
most immediately handle the split with your contractors? Because that's coming up now, >> right? And if the objective with the split from the contractors was to increase revenue,
then if that's put into a bigger picture, >> is there another way to increase revenue, which does not impact the contractors, whether it is contractors of youth programs or adult programs.
>> I mean, we got a lot of fuzzy stuff in here. Did I summarize that from what we're what we're looking at? >> I think it was a pretty good summary. >> Yeah, we're kind of throwing a lot at
>> just on the park fee side and then we'll get into the >> So, >> well, I think the contractor side is the what they is most immediate for >> they're immediate for Annie. Okay, >> that's that's the big nut that we really
have to settle on tonight is the contractors. >> So, because this goes into one pot and not too not many >> contracts. >> Um, so I'm so sorry. >> That's okay. We're we're pow-wowing how
to better steer this. the all of these raises, did you need all all of the increases that you've told us about to meet your objective? Um, or
can we afford to not do or even decrease like the Monroe County one and and not do the contract increase? Can we afford to not do that? And that's what we kind of were just talking about is that maybe with
the contractors it's yes the agreements are we need to finalize the agreements for next week. We could go in with the same 9010 split and then if the committee with further conversations we could always amend the agreement
>> if we decide to increase the re the split. Okay. >> So, we could go in with the same >> split right now and >> continue. >> I just want to make sure that that >> or maybe next year >> or maybe next year because I we do want to talk about the pool project and so
forth. So, >> we could keep that that split the same right now for this year and look at different ways of generating different revenue, >> right? >> And there are ways of generating different revenue that we haven't even talked about yet. So because if if if
the committee really feels that, you know, strongly that the these contractors and their programs are really a a great service that we're providing and we want to keep them going and keep the program strong, then just keep the um the split the same right
now. >> I mean, especially with like the dive instruction, I'm looking at $8,500, right? you know, she's spending a lot of hours, >> right, >> building this program. I think it would be wrong to ask her to take a, you know,
5% less. >> But all the same, I don't think that you can go contractor A gets 15 and contractor B gets 10, right? you know, >> that's probably not >> I think it needs to be across the board
and and if we're trying to build these programs and keep the kids involved, I think it's important to keep the 1090 at this point in time at least until maybe we get better accounting and we can figure out other ways to increase
revenue. >> Yeah, >> I think it's good. >> It's a great idea. >> It does. The only thing that doesn't fit is the village manager's thing that we got to create a business. That's what I heard. That's what I heard out of his conversations. >> That we're what? >> That we have to be more
businessoriented. >> Well, I don't I don't hear this as not being businessoriented. No. Yeah. No, I see this as having >> a bigger picture of where else can revenue be created
>> to allow for a continuation of the same agreements that we have with the contractors. >> The only ad I was hoping for tonight was a sliding scale for um for low income. And I know the contractors whether they I don't know if they're going to like
that. I don't know. Some of them it won't even affect them, but some of them it might, you know, for tennis or for swim instruction. >> Yeah. And that's tough. I mean, the programs here, cuz my kids are involved in a lot of these, it's not expensive.
>> And so, for the contractors to to decrease that charge even more >> is pretty significant. Um, I think there are other ways to go about doing that via scholarships or grants or things like that rather than that's my opinion just because I know that they're they're
not making a lot over you know the top of the >> I do believe there scholarships through the pool group. I think friends of the pool does make scholarships available to certain people. I don't know about the other programs and I don't know the specifics but I do know that that is a
part of what they do. >> Yes. friends of the pool for >> other things that and uh forgive me I am going to have to leave I got another commitment but um relative to this conversation we have situations like that at Coral Shores and I was able to work through the and it isn't applicable
here but I was able to work with through the Ocean Reef community grant they gave us $20,000 for hardship so nobody no individual no kid would be precluded from any athletic or co-athletic opportunity and while I don't think they're going to to write this because
we're not a nonprofit. There are grants out there, I'm feel relatively certain, that would handle hardship cases like that. The other thing I was going to say is I'm glad that we're not raising at this time, but when we redo when we revisit that, I would uh certainly like
to see us consider um Dr. Weir's proposal that the increases are at the adult level rather than including children's level as well. C this is Christie. Can I um I have two things I want to add. Um I there is a
program I know that um the the kindergarteners the last two weeks of school the kindergarters at PKS and Kargo school both they get two weeks of swim lessons um paid for by a grant and then also there are vouchers available for any kids who need further
instruction beyond the two weeks. Um, so there is and I think it's wonderful, Rich, what you're saying, but like there so I just want David really to know that there is like that me need is being addressed in that way. Um, and then also
I need to disclose something. Kelly Kater is my cousin, the dive instructor. Um, and when I I just need you to know that because we're talking about the um the fees, the split, and when I brought that up, I didn't even remember that she worked at the park in that way. So, I
just need you guys to know that full disclosure. Um, >> thank you. >> Yes, you're welcome. And it is it's the foundation. I'm just getting a text from Lisa Taylor that it's that the swim instruction is paid for by multiple people, but a lot of it comes from the Keys Children Foundation out of Ocean
Reef. >> Yes. And they they hold that program here. This year was the first year they held it for PKS. So, that program is still being offered. There's also a state grant. We do have a a local swim instructor. um she works for the health department and the state has is doing a
similar program with a voucher system. Um so we we certainly have that information as well. >> Yeah. Maybe just maybe it's just more market and and again two people I know they don't even speak very they work down at Chico. >> Yeah. >> Housing down there. I happen to see them
like we got to get your kid going here. Yeah. Certainly in the aquatics, it sounds like there's there's some things the others um we would need to explore further >> for the other sport >> contract >> areas.
>> Yeah. And I I also want to acknowledge that between the three of you, you do a ton of work >> to make these programs happen. So we do see that, you know, from an administrative side. So I think that's, you know, as we're talking about no, let's not go 9010. That's not saying
that what you do is not worth the >> Oh, absolutely. No, absolutely. >> Just say make sure that thank you. >> And the other the other piece of that is, you know, we've got all our good ideas over here with grants and scholarships and we know that the burden of finding and doing and writing also
falls on you. So that's >> we know. >> Thank you. >> So So let me give a timesensitive possibility. because one of our members has got a commitment to leave and we will still have a quorum. But what I'm hearing is
of the multitudinous things we want to work with, the one that is the most time-sensitive for you right now is the renewal of the contractor agreements. And what I'm hearing is that the group
is inclined to keep the current 9010 split with the intention that there are other revenue sources that we will continue to be tapping into as we revise
the these fees and also look at who's eligible for them. Does that did I say that right? >> Perfect. >> I think that works. >> Direction. >> Okay. Then do we need to have a motion that that is one thing that we have
agreed to or no? >> I don't necessarily think so. I think we have a consensus. It is at the manager level um decision. So >> I think that >> Thank you. >> Here he comes. Here he comes. >> Maybe I can speed it up because I've
been listening. Uh, I think we understand the contractor thing can remain at 9010 and just move on >> because when you look at the actual numbers, it's not going to generate that much more money compared to some other ideas, especially the one about charging hotel and vacation rental people. So, if y'all can do the other stuff, I think we
can forget that one. Even though it is a good business decision, we understand the complications with the children and and the contractors are working very hard. So, I I I personally would have no issue with just leaving it as is. >> Okay. And you know, we don't need to do anything more official. We've agreed to it and
>> that we can report to the council that and that you guys have that. Okay, >> perfect. >> That's great. Then we >> then we close that one then. Thank you very much. Thank you. >> Thanks, Richie.
>> So, where do we go next? >> Um, okay. Well, I guess to summarize where we're at at this point, um, and again, we don't have to make a
decision on this tonight. Um, we can continue if you Okay, let's >> please make a Let's do that. Let's give it to the council. >> Okay. Well, then I guess going >> I like the resident rates. >> Okay. >> I think, you know, I think those are all
reasonable >> for memberships. for resident >> residents >> for memberships >> the whole page >> the whole page >> the whole yes okay so then back to our non-resident discussion the Monroe
County resident rate we are at this point feeling a for the adults five for the youth three is that kind of the consensus and then we had left off on the conversation do we feel the existing rates should go up for all other non-resident visitors
or do they stay the I vote they go up. >> I vote they go up and we look into the resort and >> Yeah. Yes, I think they go up. >> Yep. I agree. Go up. Look into the resort because you know the daily seems a little steep, but look at the
three-month membership. >> Mhm. Right. So, if you're staying in town just up the road, um >> if you're staying for a month, it's worth your while to buy the three months. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So we are feeling good about the 10 and seven
rate. >> Is that >> yes? >> Yes. Okay. >> Now the weekend the holiday weekends >> holiday weekends and then every weekend through summer that rate that's the 15 adults for 15 youth and senior for 10.
We were thinking to keep it the same. What are your are are we in align alignment with that or how are you guys feeling about that fee? >> 15 and 10 is the current rate. Correct. >> Is the current rate. >> Okay. >> Again, just for the those four holiday weekends and then every weekend during
the summer months. Um >> Yeah. And then just increasing the pool rate, >> right, >> to three and five because they're already paying 10 and 15 to get into the park, >> right? So then when they go to the pool there there's an increase there. >> Yeah. >> That was kind of our thoughts on it.
>> Sure. I like it. >> I'm good with it. >> Keep it the same. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> I think that's strong enough for those times and if they need to be revised. But we know what happens on the weekends. We know the weeks are pretty
flat and we know that a lot of times it's day trippers. So we're So I think you've got that. >> Yeah. Because look at the three-month membership fee. You know, park only for one day is $7, but for 3
months you only pay 40, >> right? You know, that's very reasonable, >> right? >> Okay. So we're in that is agreement with >> comfortable for for everybody for this for the non-resident and the only
question is the non-resident Monroe >> the renters >> the renters >> well that's the next thing but the okay well so that's included in the in the Monroe okay >> yeah the Monroe County it sounds like everybody's comfortable with Monroe County resident not Monroe County
renters right >> like short-term rent. Not the same policy that we have with Alamada. This would just be if you're a permanent resident and your ID shows that you get this rate. >> Well, and I would actually be inclined to say that if I'm a Karago resident and
I've got a kid or two that are in active programs, I think they they can come in when they're, you know, they're not in a program. But let's not get complicated. Let's not >> too hard. No, it's not. You don't have a
program to handle that way too. >> You don't have a program to handle that. What we need to do then is understand what is what will be the procedure or protocols or presentations that need to
be made to whom about a proposal to change the free entry of people who are either renters or hotel guests or Airbnb types,
>> right? >> We have to check with TDC and >> the chamber. >> Yeah. >> And the chamber has been closed. >> Oh gosh. Yes. >> I just want to make sure >> I I would just say that we should be involved in it in the discussion or at
least, you know, we voiced our opinion to the council, >> right? >> Um either way, it doesn't matter to me, but yeah, we're definitely going to get push back. That's not a question. >> Yeah. Well, we >> I I I would imagine that we'll probably have to have a meeting in October to
kind of regroup on everything and kind of clean it all up, bring it back, >> let um the chamber know and all our stakeholders and have more conversation about it if that's okay. >> So, do it at this level. Do that meeting at this level versus taking it there.
Okay. And what is the procedure that a hotel guest has at the gate? How do they get entry? >> They would show their reservation. So they can have it either printed or on their phone, but the reservation that shows their name, the dates of their
stay to show that it's valid and obviously at the Marada location or address. So, same thing if they were renting a home, Airbnb or um rental home, it would some of them have lease agreements because they're here for a little longer. Others um you know, they
show it on the app. Um but same thing, we just see the proof of stay and we actually make them a card. We call the guest pass that has all that information easily on a card. That way, it's very easy for them rather than searching through their phone every time and holding up the gate. So, and easy for
our staff to see it really quickly that they're valid. So, that's the procedure. >> Let me ask a real question. >> Where does Legoland fit in this? >> They're they're part of the same policy.
>> They're they're >> Yes. And that's and everybody's going to have to get involved in that. Yeah. >> Because there was agreements, I'm sure, made and all kinds of stuff like that. Yeah. And to me doesn't make sense. They're not residents. >> But they own.
>> So if you if you're not a resident Yeah. own of course they have a driver's license. That's 33036. Sure. But if they're here for a month and rent their house out back and forth, >> it's a renter. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They'd be under the same policy.
If you >> do we have or do you have a proposal in mind of what we might charge or what the park might charge for admission for this group >> just as they ask
>> for renters >> as you go back and have discussions do we have something >> well we I think we were kind of feeling that maybe our marada renters would pay that same Monroe County rate so it's a discount for staying in Alam Marada. Um
that way we are collecting some revenue. So that was our thoughts, but we're open to other ideas how we've discussed all of these other options. >> I think that's a good idea. >> I still think that would be significant even if we've decreased it a little bit.
>> Yeah. and someone who's like at it that has a that's here for even a couple of weeks, it's worth getting a threemonth membership, isn't it? Seems that way.
>> And if you feel that that's too low, we can look at those percentages again, too. If I mean, we're looking we're open to your feedback. >> Well, I think we introduce it at the lower rate to ease the chamber through.
>> So, so in my negotiating style, I would I would introduce it at the higher rate and then cons or >> concessions do concessions. >> But that's just me. No. >> So, what do you propose, David? >> Well, they're not
>> going to the chamber. What do you propose? >> They're non-residents. They're coming here. They're they're here. They're staying in the hotel and they would pay the non-resident fee because they have amenities at their places too that they can use. That's why they're paying. So they want to come here, they should pay
the non non-resident fee. You stay in Homestead at a hotel and you come down the same same thing. And but I I agree. I think what'll happen is we would cons that's what would happen. We would concede that and go, you know
what, you're right. Let's do it at the count at the count of bells. Just an idea. >> I like it. >> All right. We're gonna be stepping into something with and I don't know who we're stepping into. I don't know.
>> I believe her name is Judy. >> I wasn't gonna say anything. [Laughter] Okay. So, where are we? >> So, >> we've taken care of your contractor's
fees. We in general agree with the resident the the resident chart >> and and the memberships. Sorry. Thank you. >> And the memberships on the resident side, >> we
in general agree with the nonresident excluding the tenants of >> right >> local places, >> right? >> And are we recommending is there a change in
the Monroe County suggestion? Yeah, it sounds like we are suggesting uh the three $3 for youth and senior and $5 for the adults rather than the five and eight that we had there. >> Okay. >> So, so we're I think if that's the
consensus, we're good with where we're at. The only other factor would be um the consideration of the Alamrada hotel resort and rental where they factor in >> which may take another meeting to to
allow for more input. >> And I would guess that the amount of revenue that is so-called being lost in the contractor side by not taking another 5%
will likely be balanced by just this adjustment in fees here. Maybe more than that. >> Yeah, >> I think I would certainly >> Yeah, it's significant. I mean, we only looked at one category and times that by
the 20% and that was >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then if we added to that >> in terms of the overall revenue >> right >> budget, >> right, >> a new revenue source for the general
fund can be adjusting the fees for non residents that are staying in staying around here. >> Does that summarize it? >> Yep. >> No, I think we're good. >> I think so. We we do have a few more
categories to look at as well >> if >> Yeah, we haven't um >> Yeah, absolutely. I was just going to ask will you >> uh first off that the village is a member of the chamber. I attend almost
all the events. I was Councilwoman Richards and Gillis and I were both at the lunch today. I go to all their lunches, most their business after hours. I'm pretty familiar with most of the members. When you said the chamber, the chamber as a whole probably won't care. I think specifically you're talking about hotels. Uh, and we deal a
lot with the hotels. We actually, one of our council people, as you know, owns a hotel. So, I would say my recommendation be just go ahead and make your decision on what I actually suggested, you know, going and charging the people, for example, vacation renters and the people staying at the Chica Lodge and all that. I don't think they're really going to
have a big complaint about paying what we're recommending. But I I would say go ahead and if you think it's a good idea, which I do, uh I would go ahead and recommend it and then get if I I'll I'll find out before it gets to council because they have final approval. And if it's a big push back more than I
anticipate, then we can always adjust it at the council level. But for today, I think you're making what you think is best for the park. And I would agree with the discussion that I think it it's reasonable to charge vacation renters and and even hotel guests. Uh because I don't think you're talking about that much money truthfully. But if there's a
push back, I'll take the push back. Don't worry about it coming back. You know, I'll just take care of it at the next level. But I do think it's a good recommendation from staff that did a lot of work on it. I I just don't want to keep delaying things because we're worried about what somebody might say. Yeah. If they say it, we'll deal with it.
>> That's great. That's very helpful. Thank you very much, Ron. That's very helpful. >> Thank you. I endorse that. That's I third. Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Sorry.
>> All right. Then that sort of completes that part of your presentation. Right. >> It does. Other than you clarity, if we were going to charge them, again, is the committee feeling that they would be at that higher rate or are we honoring a
discount? I mean whether that whether they would be Monroe County residents or whether >> would we treat those vacation rentals um and hotel guests would we would we be at the n total non-resident rate the 10 the seven and 10 or where we is that's where
we want to be >> seven and 10. >> Perfect. That's that clarifies it for me. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Okay. >> Great. >> I'm sorry [Laughter] this is terribly long. Okay.
>> Do we want to come back with facility rentals? >> Um, >> how's the committee feeling right now? Do you want to continue on with the facility rentals and special events? >> Yeah, let's do it. >> Okay. >> Well, and I think you can definitely
give us updates on the pool and the and the playground. And >> let's see if we can zip through these. They're >> everybody's read through the large and tiki huts and >> you guys are feeling good with that. >> Great.
>> Well, so the difference though there's a few Hold on. We don't want to get too far. So >> I know. Okay, let's try to speed this up. >> All right, so currently our policies, just a reminder for everyone, um we do not allow for any commercial use of
village owned parks or beaches unless outlined with an agreement, contract, lease, licensing agreement. So there's no commercial use. It's charitable organizations or residents. So our pavilion rentals currently um are the you know the large pavilion $50 for 4
hours. We require a security deposit maximum of 50 people and it's village residents only. So one of the ideas again to increase revenues would be should we open that up to non village residents to to be able to reserve? Is that something we want to consider? I
would definitely make that a very large because weddings I know right >> we don't allow for any >> I get it you know we all know that okay that we don't allow but I'm just >> that's our current policy >> be careful that's all if we do the non-resident thing that's where we kind
of opened it up even for two people want hey I want to rent this out I'm gonna have a little ceremony on the beach >> I agree with that I vote no if I had a vote I would say no not opening that up to non-residents >> okay >> I agree with Christie I would not open
it up to non-residents to be able to reserve. They can go to Harry Harris. >> Okay. >> Or Miami. >> Okay. >> I agree. >> Agree. Okay. That makes it easy. >> Okay. And so the only increase to that we went from 50 to 75. Again, this fee
has been in place since we've opened. So we thought that was an appropriate increase >> for village res >> for village residents. We'd like to this committee think that we should be raising the rates for that. Right now it's 50. We we recommending to raise it to 75.
>> It's less than 20 bucks an hour for the pavilion. That seems reasonable. >> Well, >> I can be behind that. >> Okay. Would anyone be opposed that I I mean four hours is a long time.
100 bucks for four hours. I know you said 75 to keep it down there, but 25 bucks an hour. I can't go anywhere for 25 bucks an hour for a party. I mean, that's >> Yeah, usually it's kids birthday party or something like that.
>> I mean, people are spending a lot of money on >> I mean, I hope I'm not getting daggers from people listening to this right now. >> No. Yeah. >> Well, again, we're talking about our village residents who pay taxes and um Yeah. So we would raise them but not too
much. >> We would be open to that too. It makes sense. It's it's an even number. 25 bucks an hour for the rental. >> If I got anything for a four hours for $100, I would do cartwheels because usually it's like 500 bucks for four hours.
>> So I think I would I would say 100 >> is what I would do. >> Yeah. having for a lot of kid birthday parties. >> The prices, right? >> Make it 97. Yeah. Take them to Chuck-E-Cheese.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Is every what? >> I can get behind 100. >> $100. >> I can get behind a hundred. >> And what we could do is maybe create if somebody if residents only want to rent it for two hours, just create a two a
hourly rate. >> Yeah. an hourly rate. >> You could do it that way. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we'll do an hourly rate of >> should be 60 or 65 bucks for two hours. >> Maybe just do
>> four hours work though. You guys with their new program >> because some folks they only want to run it for two hours just to have a quick little gathering, >> right? >> I don't think it's going to work out that way though. I think somebody will
say they want to rent it for two hours, but stay for the four hours. I would say go for a hundred bucks and make it a 4 hour minimum >> maximum. True. >> That's what I meant. Well, yeah, four hours, right? >> They get four hours whether they use it
or not. It's the four hours. And >> that includes setup and cleanup. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's what it is now. You get that. We don't We don't do it on an hourly. >> Yeah. Yeah. And marketing wise, you'd make it $97, but you know, don't get
don't get fussy. >> Okay. So, >> consensus is keep keep the existing structure with the $100 fee. >> Okay. >> Yes. And no non-residents. >> And no no non-residents. >> Okay. All right. And then the tiki fee
is very similar. We d we basically went up 25 bucks. They're smaller. We only allow 25 people. And actually the small beach tiki is pretty small as well. So um maybe make that a
75 or is the 50 still reasonable? >> What is that's where's the other one? >> We have a the playground tiki. Right now it's it's buted up to the playground and then there's a small tiki on the very end of the beach. So, there's two tikis
>> and one's bigger and the other one's not >> slightly bigger. One has I think three tables and then the small tiki has two tables. >> I like 50. Now you're consistent with you you've just kind of you've doubled the price from 60 because it's not half
as small. >> I mean >> I I just know the people that ran it the little baby parties over by the thing I think it's >> Yeah. Yeah. Not Chuck-E-Cheese, but
>> Okay. >> 50. >> So 50. >> 50 is fine. >> Okay. >> I'm good with 50. >> Okay. Okay. 960. They have to find another 10. >> Yes. Nobody wants 10.
>> Gosh. >> Okay. Moving on. Pool facility rentals. All right. So currently we do offer um residents to reserve uh the pool space not for they don't necess I mean the public is still it is
still open to the public during these visits but we'll reserve two tables for their party space if it's at the splash pad. Um again they they use the table space but we do not shut it down for other members of the public. Um so therefore we really only charge them the pool fees and we'll take a tally of
their guests and they pay on the way out. So there's really no fee to to do a pool party, but we do have them pretty regularly. And the impact is that, you know, sometimes they leave a little bit of a mess and we have, you know, sometimes bring, you know, may need extra guards, we realize based on the
party. Um, so having it set up to where there is a structure for that. So, and then the field trips, too. Um, we want to keep keep a consistent fee for those pool parties and for field trips. And those again, they're only open to
village residents and local civic groups and schools uh to plan your pool party. Again, we only will reserve the table space. They visit can only be four hours max. Areas remain open to the public. For private parties, no more than 25
people planned. Um, field trips, we can go up to 100. We do require a little bit of a deposit, but uh we wanted to make the fee a straight $5 per person. So, it's it's elevated when compared to our daily pricing. It's a little bit
elevated for the pool, but that will offset, you know, knowing they're coming, bringing in the extra guard, planning for cleanups, potential like that. So, that would be the straight fee. Um, and then again the other idea was would
that be open to non-residents and non-residents would have to also pay the park entrance fee? >> No. >> But I think >> based on our other ideas that that might not be okay. So Annie is are you saying $5 per
person for field trips? Like I mean if if key if Plantation Key School has a field trip, which they have plenty of to the park, most of those kids are members. I mean, they're all members anyway, they would still get charged $5 ahead. >> Yeah. In our plan, I mean, it's it's
hard to distinguish that with these groups. Um, so we've always just charged the straight the fees we have in place. I don't I don't like that for >> um and the extra details on our end that
you know for setup scheduling. >> What if there's a what if there's a fee instead of charging five because I know that like this is one of the most reasonable field trips that the kids can have at Plantation Key School because they don't have to take a huge bus ride.
It's not you know it's you know the bus rides are expensive. Um, could there just be a fee for the extra guard and a fee for setup instead of charging per head or does it all come out in the wash? >> How much is the guard? I'm sorry. How
much is extra guard? >> Well, it's probably overtime. Yeah, it's >> No, I'm saying library brace >> typically when and this is we've done research too through other municipalities and that this is what they do is charge flat rates. They don't
have extra fees for lifeguards and so forth. Um it's just a clean rate. It's a clean way of doing it. Um lifeguards you're going to have to factor in where they're going to factor factor in their hourly rate. >> No, I'm I'm agreeing $5. I was just
trying to make the point about during if it's overtime if >> right who who which guard are we talking about because it ranges their pay ranges and then if it's overtime and you know and >> we have to bring in two extra guards >> right depending on the number of people
with the field trips um and they're still paying the pool admission fee. This would just it it just keeps it cleaner like you said. >> All right. Just an idea. Well, this fits into the category of the park operates as the park and what we're
trying to do is support the general revenue to support the park. So, you've got to decide how that's going to look best. Bring in another guard. The general fund is not
going to oversee your decisions on when you need another guard. That's your job, >> right, >> John? >> I I would like to say I would support any additional fees that you propose.
People may not realize if you bring in a large group of children of varying swimming ability. You have no idea how stressful it is to be a lifeguard when all of a sudden 25 or 30 or more kids dump into the pool and some of them can
swim and some of them can't. Um it is quite stressful. It puts a stress on the guards that are already there watching the people who are already swimming. Um, I think any additional fees are
certainly worth it. It increases the number of necessary guards beyond what you might imagine simply because, as I say, you dump 25 kids in the pool all at once. They're all over the pool from the shallow end to the deep end. And some of them may not be that good at swimming.
>> Trust me, it's worth it. >> Yeah, the field trips we have to do swim tests. It does require multiple guards. It's so those are a little bit bigger than >> a big impact on the pool right when we have field trips and um you know
maintenance you know keep cleaning up after the school groups again like what Annie said um they all have to be swim tested we buy life jackets too for a lot of the kids who do not know how to swim we p we we have life jackets available for those
kids so there's a lot that goes into the field trips and we think, you know, $5 a child to come and for a field trip is pretty reasonable. And I I understand that they do have to pay for the buses and so forth, but >> I don't know. >> We were still trying to keep it
reasonable for, you know, our school groups. Um, but I I do uh agree with some of Christy's points, too. You can look at it that way where you're just either way, we would have to charge a per person fee, but then tacking on, you know, whatever fee we're going to call it, a facility use fee. it. This just
seemed a little cleaner. >> And basically, it's really only $2 more. Wait a minute. It's >> Well, if we're charging kids $3 ahead, it's it's increasing that by $2 per person >> specific to field trip or party.
>> In fact, I don't think >> I would say let's support the decision you guys have made. >> I agree. >> You guys have a >> Okay. Thank you. >> I agree. Is there still the question about whether or not to open that up to non-residents?
>> I think it was decided no. Correct. >> No. >> Yeah. No. No to residents. >> Yes. We decided no. >> Correct. >> Probably across the board for >> It sounds like that's what we're leaning towards, right?
>> Okay. All right. Um and then the next level would be our pool team rentals. This is our visiting college swim and dive teams. Um, and that rate again going up 20%. And this is this is consistent with what other pools are
doing. So >> this is a 20% increase from 2007. >> Um, this one may have been adjusted since I think it's about I think around that time. >> Okay. >> Yeah, it's been a while since we
increased whole team fees. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And it's it's like I said, we've compared to the municipalities and this is the average rate. So, >> I would also encourage the committee to endorse that too because these teams
come in in the winter. And even though the keys don't really get cold, it can be unpleasant for that poor lifeguard in the dark at 6:00 a.m. sitting in that stand watching. I mean, the the college swimmers aren't going to drown like the little kids I referred to
a minute ago, but still, they either standing on the side of the pool or in that stand, cold, it's windy, it's dark, it's it's worth it to make sure that we have adequate funds to
support our guard staff because Anna's done a good job of building the numbers, but we still have guards that are out due to illness and it is still perpetual ually challenging to staff our lifeguards. So I would certainly endorse that
>> bottom there would be creating a seasonal fee fee. Um so this would really apply to the high school there or if any other local school did create a swim team um having that rate. So,
>> so right now the swim team >> there's no charge. >> There's no charge for charge for the swim team to use the facilities, >> right? So, the field that should stay the same or create this seasonal team rate. Um, we did not come up with we're
still actively looking at what comparisons are for that fee. Um, but just generally getting your >> microphone. Oops. >> I'm so sorry. I don't Don't know how that went off. Um, okay. So, again, for
Christie, we're looking at that bottom um new seasonal team fee, which would include space for the high school um swim team. They currently do not pay any facility fees. So, looking at what what
the potential for that fee would be if you feel we should be charging. Um, so that's a new this is would be a new item. And so we're we're still currently looking up what other pools do in this scenario where a high school doesn't own
their own pool. Um, so this one we may have to come back with a recommendation. >> We will have to come back if the committee feels that it's something that we should >> How how big a number are we talking about? Just just like >> we don't know. And this is um >> No, but it's like hundreds of dollars or thousands. >> No. How many kids? kids. I think he has
around 30 kids and it's it has increased. So, it's um >> this a school board thing. >> This would be a school board would pay for the fees >> pay, >> right? >> I don't know if the school board charges the kids in the in the in the program. I
don't know how that works when it comes to high school sports. I maybe >> Yeah. And that's an interesting one, too. I mean, I we don't I don't think um I pay a fee for every school sport that my high
schooler plays in. Um and it depends on what it is. You know, cross country is something it's like 80 bucks a kid. Soccer is more because now you need gear and you need other stuff to go with it. But I'm not I don't think paying for the field they play on or the course that
they run that those funds come from somewhere else. Um, so that just something to consider is >> we think about the medium that they're that they're competing in if they pay for that. >> And that's why
>> it comes back definitely to the parents. >> Yeah, I think it does come back to the parents or having to pay, right? >> Yeah. >> Um, but >> well, no, because you brought up the point that it's the field they play on. So it's like the baseball field >> county >> or the soccer and and lacrosse over
here, you know, as opposed to the baseball field. Let's go with the stuff that we have the groups. So do those groups pay >> field use? No. >> Youth organizations do not pay fees to use the field. >> Okay.
>> But but this high school sports, so that's why I would be going to the school board. I mean, I don't know what the number is. I I mean, I'd probably investigate what Key West Marathon does >> and and that's what we're doing. That's why we're not really It's just it's something that >> it's something that we were
>> brainstorming about. We don't know what the fees are um for these other uh you know, schools and that's why we need to bring that back. But it's it's just a a good discussion. >> Yeah. And just you know, what's the revenue lost for those hours that they practice? Is there wear and tear
specific to those seasons? Things like that. >> And swim meets too, you know, the the impact that it takes for our lifeguards to set up the pool and and break down and and all that. So, there is a lot that goes into hosting the meets that
are here and also uh providing space, lane space, >> right, >> for for the team to practice. So, there's a lot to >> staffing staffing. Yeah, >> that might be a separate discussion too if there's >> for the actual meets. That's because
that's what we pay for especially for cross country. I'm paying for the entrance fees into their races. So maybe something like that. There's there's a >> for the competition, right?
>> Okay. I would think if this is county high schools that we should look at what is the model from from Marathon and Key West >> and I know there's a lot of schools in and day and brown also that do not have
their own pools and they're using their municipality pools. So we'll bring this back to you. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Goodness. Okay. So, this was these are some ideas for new uh fees for pool
rentals that we aren't currently doing charging or even allowing. So, one of the things that has come up um and again in consideration of could we program more things and non-contract not our independent instructors and ongoing
programs but there are organizations out there that have a need to use pool space free dive instructors um other specialized swim instructors uh that teach you know mermaid you know even like Anna our our um pool supervisor
where she is certified to teach mermaid classes, which is a form of free diving. And um we also, you know, lifeguard instruction classes, instructional classes. All of our certified um
lifeguard instructors are on staff and it's hard to run those courses. So if there was a non-emp employee that we wanted to have run it, um they could charge for the class. water safety, survival courses, um even the Coast
Guard does training here. So, looking at renting out space to those type of entities and and again, we we have a general policy of the park that we don't we're not open for private business and commercial use, but maybe in this pool, you know, smaller scale, easy to manage
and and it would be a scheduling factor, could we create revenues and allowing for additional rental space of the pool? And so these are the rates, these are consistent with what the Jacob Center does. Um, so we were looking at that as another possibility and it would really
be a scheduling factor and this would be probably the only area we would recommend any kind of commercial entity using renting space. >> I'm sorry. The only area of what >> of the park to that we would encourage
commercial use. That makes sense. >> Private instructors like if someone else says and for instance like like what Annie said we have in-house lifeguard training instructors but at times we do have outside
instructors that want to come rent the pool and provide lifeguard instruction classes. So that's what we're talking about like outside >> instructors to come use the pool >> whereas we don't want to contract with them how we have our other instructional
services because then we're managing the registration the income and having to pay out these would be kind of >> I'm saying like a liability issue like because their contracts they're all vetted we have insurance we do all that >> we would still require there would still
be insurance requirements for sure um but it It's just a different setup where they're just paying a straight rental fee rather than we're collecting their revenue and doing their registration and handling their payments. They would just pay us a straight rental fee. So, this would not be like an ongoing program.
This would be, you know, hey, I want to do a free free dive class. Do you have space in your pool to accommodate that? >> Natasha just texted me that she had to get off. >> Oh, okay. >> I think we're Well, Christiey's on.
Christiey's on. Okay, >> I'm here. I'm here. >> So, seems like Go ahead. >> I feel like David, too, there's some liability here like to make 30 bucks. Well, 30 bucks a person for four hours.
I don't know. And would be inviting. I don't know. I guess if they had the insurance, forget I said anything. I'm I'm still listening. >> That's okay. No, we welcome the feedback >> and we would uh definitely require insurance and also uh make sure that
they have their certifications that they say that they you know all these all these instructors definitely need different certifications and whatever their field is. If it's free diving they have to have a free diving certification. So we would make sure that they have all that. So or if it's
free diamond or if it's whatever whatever their searchs are the would make sure they had >> oneoffs infrequent use right >> yes it would this is the it wouldn't be a lot >> okay so >> and again it's based on availability
we're not going to >> um schedule these type of activities when we have our own activities going on it would be during different you know quiet times and so forth >> September Yeah, >> the Coast Guard brings their new
recruits in every once in a while and they'll take them to the deep end and go over >> Okay. >> some basics. >> Yes. And for instance, like what he just said, the military train, the Coast Guard, they they use the dive end of the pool, reserving space for them at the
dive in, and then sometimes they use the shallow end. So, it it's an impact on the pool and um but again, they're there during slow times. So we we would make sure that it's not a major impact to our ongoing programs, >> right? Yeah. And in the in like our
local there's a need. I mean the only pool for free dive operators um to teach their classes is the Jacob Center and there's I mean we know there's so many of them and I think in this scenario too with we have a contract for free dive but it's not it it would be something we
probably would end that and move to this type of rental because of the infrequency. It's not really an ongoing, it's not set up the same way as our other programs that are ongoing regular. So, it's a service that I think is needed. The community likes to take
these type of safety courses and and again, just another um way of producing some revenue, but within balanced use so that we are not overcrowded and not infringing on other programs. So yeah, I would say this is one to tuck
away on the side when you need it and not not sit there and advertise it, right? >> Just having an avenue to be able to offer it and char have a fee to actually charge. >> Yeah. Right. >> They have a fee for it because sometimes these things come up, you know, people
come into our office and ask, "Oh, can we do this? Can we do that?" And we're like, "Well, we really don't have fees for this, >> right?" So this is just kind of be able to have the option >> kind of freelance. >> No, that's good. >> Activities, >> right? >> Not saying that we're going to do it all the time, but it's it's an option.
>> Well, what I would say is the general fund cannot complain that the pool and the park is not endeavoring to create revenue to support themselves. again remembering we're not separate but right
>> I think this is really good supportive thoughtful uh ideas from you guys to maintain the you know maintain your balance >> okay so generally we're
>> okay with that >> feeling okay with that >> y >> I endorse that okay >> I definitely endorse the pool locker rental. >> Yes, that's very smart. >> Okay, awesome. We currently don't have it's just by day use. You lock it.
You're supposed to take your stuff out. Um I think it would be I think people would take up on this program. So, >> thumbs up. >> Okay. Wonderful. >> Okay. And then into facility rentals.
We're almost there, guys. Okay. Um, so currently our athletic facilities, basketball, volleyball, pickle ball, tennis, multi-use fields, softball, baseball, and our golf driving cage are reservable by youth organizations, otherwise first come
first served um outside of those program use. So, we do not charge any of our youth sports programs and we do not reserve them now for for residents. Um, we recommend maintaining that. Again, with some of the conversations we've had
um regarding the youth sports, it's it would just come back to the family. Um but we have had requests for private party use. So, uh you know, sport themed parties out there. So, we were just kind of thinking keep it in line. We could
offer that and set up a rental um for that use and inconsistent with what we do with our other, you know, the pavilions basically. Um, and that we had said 75. If if you agree with that concept, we could keep
it at 75 or um bump it up to 100 to be consistent with the other recommendation. >> Tennis and pickle. Is that one court? You'd have one court for $75 with a max of 50 people. Doesn't I think or would there be I mean there I I think there
have to be different maxes for the different >> for the different facilities. >> Yes. In general for our overall balanced use of the courts. Um we do not program more than we try not to program more than two uh each each area we have five
courts let's say. So the instructors are not allowed to have um more than two courts at one time unless it's a special event. So, I'd say probably two courts and these are usually pretty loose. I don't see the pickle ball area being um
a party space really. We've only had the request for the ball fields for kickball parties and base like te-ball parties. So, >> because of So, you can rent two courts for $75 for four hours. That's if if we
were going to allow a private like birthday party type not general come out and play this is we don't we are not looking for dollar >> no this would just be okay you're you want to have a kids party and they want it to be pickle ball themed it would be
something we would could we have not had that request again the sports the field parties we've had kickball parties and we've had no avenue of charging so um the benefit to charging with any of these rentals. One of the policies like if they're if you're a resident and
you're reserving this space and you're paying that fee, if you have guests coming in that are not residents, they're not charged the entrance fee. So, that's the benefit of reserving the space. So, that is one thing to to think about. >> Maybe leave tennis and pickle ball out
of it. >> I agree. >> That Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, um >> I agree. It's it's a those it's a little harder to they have a little more demand for for those versus the fields. So, we
can get on board with that. >> Everybody pretty >> David wants his birthday party at the pickle ball. >> He's definitely having a birthday party. >> Together we'll just have a birthday. >> Oh, he's moving the party.
>> Okay. Well, that works. Yeah. >> Sneak it in. I have rum cake. >> No, won't do tennis or pickle ball. >> Too much demand. >> Yeah. And I only say that because Reese is doing it down at Give Reese.
It's killing them. They're >> because you got too many people. They're just taking over the pickle ball courts. They're renting them out. 50 bucks now. >> Yeah. That's >> No, that's bad. >> Yeah, they're stopping. >> Okay. Well, that I think I think that's
fair. I think it's really again, we mainly get the requests for the other areas. Okay. Okay. And then all other areas and amenities are only available for reservation by local charitable organizations in accordance with our
village owned parks and special events. Oh, I'm sorry. I skipped the community center. Um so this community spinner spa space is only available for community meetings and village sponsored programs due to it's a you know we share it with um it's the council chamber. There's a
lot of it's it's hard to have parties in here. So we don't offer that and currently there's no charge for reserving because these again are youth sports nonforprofits and government agencies. So um there's no charge for
that. We're not really recommending changing that. I agree. >> Okay. All right. So then we move into our that concludes phase one of our fee structure. Um the next conversation
would be for our special events. And again I think this one was going to be a need a deeper conversation >> and explaining the the policy. And um and this our special events policy has been in place since 2007. It was
evaluated by this committee. Some of you may have uh been on the committee at that time. Um we did have a workshop and this committee weighed in and all of the stakeholders and at that time it was to keep the um keep the policy consistent
and the and the fees consistent. So if we're you know looking to revisit that um I think it would again need all the stakeholders and and another conversation. But just for some background, uh these are this is how our
policy is laid out. It's based on event size. Um so our large event category is is a,000 plus attendees. They pay the $950 per day and then any days that are used for setup are $250.
And so our three major events here, large events category, the nautical market, Island Fest, and Holiday Fest. And then our regular events are from 501 to a thousand attendees. They pay 650 per day plus the setup fee if it
requires the day before or after or I'm sorry day before setup. Um and right now the only one that fits that category is the swim club's invitational swim meet. Um and then the other events are kind of
101 participants to to 500 and that's 250 per day. And so we've listed those events with the number of people that those usually bring in. So number of those and then our really small events, less than 100 people. It's really we just use the facility fee, our rental,
our existing rental fee. Um Special Olympics stand up paddle board competition happens at the beach at that pavilion. So that's appropriate. And then we do a number of events here as you know. Um and we do not charge ourselves or our co-sponsors for those events. Um, and that's Beats on the Bay,
July 4th celebration. We have our trunk or treat, which is coming up October 25th, Springfest, National Night Out, uh, Fire Rescue, barbecue, um, give back barbecue, and then our local Keys community concert band events, and our
teen night out. So, that's kind of the scope of our events. Um again we probably need a deeper discussion and really you know and even looking at that the overall policy it does describe times of windows um for certain things.
So I think it could use a revamp but again we don't have a recommendation on what the new fees would be at this time and and considering it's only open to charitable organizations. Um, so looking at the impacts and and what uh what that
would do for them and and how much they're you know it's really a service that they're providing here as well as what they're bringing in they're giving back to the community. >> Yeah. >> So there's a deeper conversation for that. >> Annie, I think you and Maria have done a
fabulous job. >> I really think you guys have put a lot into this. You've drawn out a lot of the loose ends that haven't been covered. >> You've made really thoughtful recommendations
and I really acknowledge what you guys have done and thank you for >> bringing this to us and thanks to the committee for taking the extra >> diligent time to go through it. >> It's a lot. a lot of information, but
got a really good >> feedback >> feedback and some really good guidance and >> so do you feel like you've gotten from us what's helpful for you and anything that are loose ends will come back to
the next meeting? >> Yep, I think so. >> Okay. >> So, >> is there I guess next Marina is that >> Marina? No, we still have the two more things. We have two more things to cover and >> okay sorry I was looking >> well the as we said in the beginning of the meeting the marina is a private
enter it's an enterprise fund and that is not something that is going to be covered under our direction I think the manager is working with the marina staff on those fees >> so it doesn't fall underneath parking >> n
>> yeah it doesn't fall come under the parks and recreation >> no >> you can still give us a brief update on the pool renovation. >> Thank you. >> So, um for the capital projects update, um I'll start with the inclusive
playground project. Um so, we're ready to move forward with that project. Uh and it started in October 1st. All the budget money has been uh set up for that. We have approximately $600,000 to
go towards that project. Um there's also TDC funding that was um a grant that was is included in that. I think the grant was for four $497,000. So we got a good a good amount of money from TDC.
>> So we'll start we're going to be uh starting with uh the design and and the installation and all that. So we're still working on that. >> So um that project is moving forward. the pool resurfacing uh and facility improvement project. We received uh two
qualified bids for that. Um we actually have our evaluation meeting tomorrow with the um evaluation committee at that tomorrow morning. So hopefully at that meeting we will be selecting a contractor
and uh once we select that contractor we will be going to council with that recommendation and that'll be in October's meeting. So October 7th meeting uh if everything goes well we will be making a recommendation to move forward with the contractor.
>> What are the dates that you kind of have scheduled for this? >> Yes. If um everything goes as planned, then February 1st will be the date of starting the project and um the timeline is um approximately 4 months
and my request is that there be a very there be a penalty there be a very clear date finished. >> Yes. And if it is not there will be a significant penalty because anything that goes past Memorial Day is like toast. >> It is in the agreement and I looked up
there that there is you know stipulations in the in the agreement. >> Awesome. Yeah. >> Okay. And along with that um project we will be reaching out to um the Jacob Center um about our programs and maybe
the Jacob Center can work with our contractors on pool use and so forth. So, we will be reaching out to different um the Jacob Center and then also um reaching out to local resorts that have pools that maybe they can do something
for our residents, have some memberships available for them. But once we know that this project is definitely moving forward, then we'll we'll start those conversations. So, we'll bring that back. Uh another thing I did want to mention that's not on here is the wall of fame project. Um
>> that is something that we have a subcommittee on and um we I have some bad news to bring though. We did we did intentionally have it in the budget to cover some of the costs for that but with the budget um conversations and
everything it was um in the budget we had budget cuts as well. That funding was taken out of the budget. So there is no funding for that project, but that doesn't mean that the project we're going to not continue with it. I think um we're going to regroup in October and
have discussions with the subcommittee about fundraising efforts. >> What's the budget problem? >> Uh we originally I think we put in 15,000 >> and that was removed. Okay. >> Maybe if we're able to increase revenue
from one of these other sources, that can be a contingency. >> Yeah. So, >> that's really pretty modest. >> Yeah. >> But there was a lot the budget uh process was pretty involved this this budget and and we had to tighten up
spending. So, that was something that the you know, >> you know, it wasn't a necessity. It's a great thought. It's a great great project, but I think through fundraising we can still get it done. >> Y >> and that's what we'll bring back to the committee and we'll start looking at that.
>> What is the date of the dog park um whatever is going to be done dedication? >> Uh >> is it is it dated? >> Hopefully in January. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, and that's gonna I believe the
mayor will probably give the report next at the meeting at the village council. >> Okay. >> So, they're working on that, but the dedication looks like it's going to be postponed until until January. >> Okay.
Anything else from us? >> Next meeting. How about future meeting date? I I have one real quick. Sorry. I know been here for a very long time. Um, is there I don't know if we can do this because I don't know all the rules with how this this piece works, but is there
any appetite or is there any ability to move the priority topics of our meetings higher up on the agenda like before the emergency agenda additions or deletions? Is there any way to do that just so that
you know we talked you know so when we talk about our priority which today was um all the funds or all the fees we didn't get to that until we're about 45 minutes into the meeting. So it's cuz Ron talked to me
it's because I invited Ron to fill us in. >> That wasn't that wasn't a passive aggressive hit at Ron but I I don't and I don't know if we can or not. I don't know if there's there's, you know, some sort of guidelines that says we have to do it
this way, but I feel like we if we can get to what we want to get to earlier, that might make us a little more effective. >> Well, I'll take partial responsibility for that because I wanted to fend No, no, no. I wanted to fend off the what
had taken all of our time before which was the turf conversations and to get an update on that because it is very much a part of what we're dealing with but I wasn't sure if there might be some you know public comment on it just to try to
diffuse that. So that was not going to be a current topic but I think what Ron brought us up to date well I think that was important and I concur. I mean, when you get to, you know, public comments, I don't know where those belong, but
>> Well, I and I I think they I like them where they are. I just know that and not specific to the turf versus grass versus, you know, those those discussions we've had a lot, but there have been other meetings where, >> you know, someone will come in with something very different than that and then we get anchored on that for an
hour. Y >> and we we don't get to what we were actually planning to talk about. No, >> I I don't know if there's, you know, way to move the emergency or addition deletion stuff to >> I I think for clarification for emergency additions and deletions, we
could simply if something comes up, move it somewhere rather than discuss it right then place it >> at the end of >> at the end. So just organizing it differently. So if there's a need there's something we definitely need to discuss tonight, it doesn't necessarily happen at that moment. we can prioritize
it within the meeting or say let's put it on next meeting. >> No, >> maybe doing it that way because I I do agree it's kind of been kind of open and everybody just expresses that thinks that's urgent and we have to talk about it right now but maybe deciding that it
goes somewhere else. >> Yeah. No, I think that's a good idea and I I think we're on and take responsibility for diffusing trying to not get tangled up in the turf conversation tonight had it become you
know a broader thing. So good ideas. All right. Next meeting date. >> We said >> we discussed October 22nd or the 23rd. October 22nd or 23rd.
So what we can do is um at least you'll send out you that's a Wednesday or Thursday, right? I can go to either one's good meeting.
>> I'm sorry. >> No, that works. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> Thursday. >> Who Who can? >> Ted. He always tell He says he can't do Tuesdays or Wednesdays. He can only do
Thursdays. >> Really? >> Yeah. Okay. >> I guess see what you get back in response for >> send it out. >> Yeah, maybe. >> Okay. >> And then um just so we are going to
bring back a concise >> pol um fees, you know, bring back all the fees, the mission fees for memberships and all that. And then um also special events. We're going to discuss more about special events. And
then what else? That's it. >> The the the admission policy for the hotel and rental guest along with these fees cleaned up. >> Cleaned up. >> So that will be >> and whatever else we need to discuss. >> Okay,
>> that works. >> At least that'll be part of the agenda. >> Yeah, I think John is moving to a journ. Would you? >> Yeah. No, I'm not. I'm just changing my seat. I'm just saying >> you're you're allowed to do that. You're allowed to do that. I nominate
John to to uh to move that we adjourn unless there are any objections. >> Thank you everyone. >> Thank you so much everybody. >> You guys are fabulous. Thank you.