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Part 1 (Video ID: SaeNzoNGCjU):
- 00:06:44: Council Meeting Opening: Roll Call and Pledge Allegiance
- 00:07:51: Agenda Modifications: Youth Council and Ride Share Resolution
- 00:15:56: Youth Council Recognition and Graduation Certificates Presented
- 00:19:20: Reports Begin: FKAA Aqueduct Project Completion Update
- 00:25:57: Plates and Plans Event Update, Citizen Advisory Appointments
- 00:34:15: Land Acquisition Advisory Committee Report, Dollar Request
- 00:45:21: Appointment Results, Nearshore Regulation and Charter Review
- 02:15:26: Public Comment #1: Ken Thomas (Angler's Reef, Paving, Miami)
- 02:49:53: Council Deadlock: Seeking Communication and Compromise with School Board
- 02:52:36: Clarification on Negotiating Authority and Field Agreement
- 02:55:31: Continuing Negotiations on the Field: Council Approval Required
- 02:56:04: Councilmembers Support Negotiations, Urge Field Prioritization
- 02:57:26: Councilmember Pleading with School Board in Public Meeting
- 02:58:31: Prioritizing Field Completion Amid Sticking Points and Delays
- 02:59:05: Frustration with School Board's Refusal to Negotiate Fairly
- 03:00:43: Call for Communication, Compromise, and Generational Agreement
- 03:03:45: Public Comment: Ensuring Village Doesn't Do Anything Stupid
- 03:05:08: Public Comment: Clarifying Amendment's Intent
- 03:06:51: Public Comment: Build the Field Ourselves
- 03:08:53: Moving to Consent Agenda After Ball Field Discussion
- 03:10:14: Public Comment: Concerns About FDOT Contract
- 03:12:05: Public Comment: Agree with Joe About FDOT Contract
- 03:13:43: Approving Consent Agenda After Public Comment
- 03:14:15: Moving to Quasi-Judicial Items and Procedures
- 03:16:26: Approval for Administrative Relief on Mockingbird Road
- 03:20:46: Approval for Administrative Relief on Venetian Way
- 03:24:13: Approval for Administrative Relief on Questa Street
- 03:28:12: Approval for Transfer Station and Recycling Center Expansion
- 03:37:07: Taking a Five-Minute Break
- 03:44:51: Approving Conceptual Design for Founders Park Boat Ramp
- 03:57:19: Rejecting Proposals for Affordable Housing Development
- 04:23:40: Public Comment: Support for Review and Refinement
- 04:29:19: Public Comment: Taxpayer Expense and Better Uses
- 04:31:11: Public Comment: Recommendation for Community Support
- 04:32:27: Public Comment: Affordable Homes Are Needed
- 04:33:17: Public Comment: Not Enough in Affordable Housing and Density
- 04:47:29: Approving Purchase and Ratification of VFDs
- 04:50:43: Approving Purchases and Ratification from Foreline Waterworks
- 04:53:58: Approving Grant Award Agreement for Fireboat Purchase
- 05:04:36: Approving Residential BPass Rankings, Last Market Rate Allocation
- 05:07:17: Amending Purchasing Authority of Village Manager
- 05:12:59: Creating No Swimming, Human-Powered Vessel Exclusion Zone
- 05:20:45: Transfer of Development Rights Policy 


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Good evening all. >> Frank, are we ready? >> Fantastic. Thank you. >> I want to welcome everybody to uh our council meeting tonight. Uh Marty, will you please call the role? Council member Steve Freriedman >> here.

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>> Council member Deb Gillis >> here. >> Council member Anna Richard >> here. Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney >> here. And Mayor Don Horton. >> I'm here. Uh let's see. Greg Dolly, will you please uh lead us in the pledge? >> Absolutely. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you'all very much. >> All right, council. Are there any

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requests for additions or deletions? >> Yes, please. >> Yes. I would like to do the youth council real quick before they have to leave to go to other events. >> That's not on our agenda, but we'll

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throw the youth council up first. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Um, >> vice mayor. Any? >> Yep. I would like to pull tab 13 and move it till June where we have all the

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information we should have for us to read and make a decision. >> What's tab 13? >> Tab 13 is the resolution approving the rank and recommendation of the uh freebie uh of the >> right share.

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>> What information are we missing? Well, I only got one of the uh um bids in my packet. I don't know if you got two. I only got one, >> but you can request it. >> Well, I didn't didn't get no until Sunday night. So, I'm asking to defer

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it. So, we have time to a hear. This is a major decision for this community. And you and I, Don, have talked about a trolley system. We've talked about vans. And I would like to schedule a workshop in June to have the applicants come down

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and present their what they would like to see happen in this town and what we the community would like to see happen in this town. So that's why I'm asking >> asking to pull it until when? >> June. >> So if we pull it the cone of silence remains. Is that correct?

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>> Yes, that's correct. >> I don't want that to happen. >> Okay. Um, Anna, do you have an objection to pulling the tab 13? >> I do not have a preference as long as we make a decision before the contract with

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freebie currently is up. >> And when is that contract up, John? >> July. >> July. >> I thought it said July. >> July. >> July. Okay, Steve. >> Yeah, that was my question. Is it when the deadline is for that? If we're ahead of that, then I'm fine with it. >> You're okay in July? Okay. But the cone

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of silence will stay in effect if we just pull it. We can reject the bids, but if we if we just pull it, the cone of silence stays in effect. >> Yes, it will. >> John, do you want to weigh in?

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>> Um, that's correct. The the only concern I have about that is a logistics one in because if we reject all bids, then we would need to put a new RFP out to um uh to to consider it again. So, I'd have we'd have to make sure that Ron could uh

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or not Ron, but staff could could do that in a timely manner to get it before the um agreement is up in July. Yeah. Um, one one issue if um that Ron just mentioned is is you could also hold a workshop on it if you want

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if you're concerned about wanting to have hear from either or both parties. There there is an exception to the um uh to the cone of silence if it's at an open public meeting. So that that's an option. I don't I don't know if that's if that's a concern, but I thought I'd mention it uh since since Ron asked

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about it, too. >> That's good. Is everybody okay? So, I know that um the last time this topic came up, we had a house full of people in here and there was a lot of concern that that was, you know, going to go

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away. I I don't think in any way this is going to make anything go away at this point and I think a workshop is probably not a bad idea. >> Um >> Annie, you're okay with it being put off. Steve, you're okay. Deb, I understand you're

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>> I'm not. >> You're not. and your your o your opposition is is noted. Um, so we've got three. I I'm okay. We we'll we can put it off till June, but I would like to have a workshop if we're going to put it off. >> So, if we could make pick that date

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before the end of the meeting. That way, we can give the two applicants time to come down and present to not only the council, the community what is best for our future with ride share. We know we're going to continue it, but I think we should have some options and we

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should know what's best for this town. >> But the the RFP that put out doesn't give us any options besides what was in it. >> Can't we at a workshop ask questions or have them Go ahead. >> Yeah, that that's why I brought up a

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John. It's my understanding that one of the exemptions in the code of silence is a publicly noticed meeting which a workshop would be. We've had a request from one of the applicants of why they weren't reached out to, etc. This way, we can invite, you know, both proposals to come in and answer questions. If we

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needed to redo the RFP, for example, let's say it's too restrictive, whatever, we can we can always redo it. But at this point, it's on the street, there's a cone of silence. The only way we can actually discuss it amongst yourselves is to have a public meeting. which is why I thought the workshop rather than waiting until June and then

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doing it this again prior to June uh have a workshop, let both parties come in, answer questions, uh clarify their proposals, for example, if we misinterpreted something, for example, and then have the public come in and if they have a preference for one or the other, they can state their preference.

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But at this point, it's either take it or leave it tonight, which a lot of people had an issue with. >> But Council McGillis, you're correct. they shouldn't be modifying their proposals. Um, >> right. And and the the proposal does not

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include a loop or a a trolley or whatever you want to call that. The proposals doesn't include any of that. >> Yeah, we can't we can't change the proposal. The proposal, >> we can reject the proposals, >> but we can't change the proposals. >> Yeah. If you want to in if we want to

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include that, it would be reject the proposals and then reissue to to include that as part of part of the RFP. Um, yeah. >> But if we were to reject them, would we still be able to put a workshop together, an RFP together, come back and

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hear these, have staff evaluate them again, and have this taken care of by July? >> Probably. That seems unlikely cuz usually your RFP, especially this is going to be a complex one for them to put together if they're I mean they've done part of it, but if we're adding more in, you know, I mean 30 days you

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would give as a minimum to for them to respond and then we'd have to meet. So I would say very very unlikely >> and you feel like your answers your questions would get answered if we have a workshop. I haven't even seen >> you can look at whatever was 100% I

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haven't I didn't get the ability to see the proposals. We only got in our packet what the staff put in there which should not happen. >> All right. >> We should have the ability to see >> what is brought to the to us. >> Well, we're working with a consensus of

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three four at this point. So, >> can I make one more point? Yes. Is that it is true when the first came out both proposals weren't in there. They were added. So, if anybody watching at home uh wants to see both proposals, they are on tonight's agenda as attachments. They

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weren't on until yesterday. So, I understand that. But I'm saying if somebody now wants to look at them, they are both proposals are available uh on our website. If you just go to tonight's meeting tab, they are two items are attached. So, anybody now can see both items.

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>> All right. Okay. Deb, your objection is duly noted. Uh do we um is a consensus good enough on this, John, or should >> I prefer if it's a motion to defer the item to June with a with a vote? So, let me have a a motion in a second, please.

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>> I'll make a motion to defer it till June. >> Do I have a second? >> I'll second it. >> Okay. I think we want to call the role on this one. I want Deb objection to be heard. Marty, can you please call the role?

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>> One sec, please. >> It's not. >> Okay. Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. Council member Anna Richards, >> yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman, >> yes. >> Council member Deb Gillis, >> no. >> And Mayor Don Horton, >> yes. >> And that motion passes 4 to one.

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>> Thank you. >> All right. Uh let's then are there any other additions or deletions? >> Uh does this include moving items? >> Uh if you'd like to move an item, we can talk about it now. I think so. >> Okay. Um, I would like us to consider

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moving the quasi judicial items. Um, starting I was trying to find the tab number. 23 >> 23 starting with 23 to the end

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um to just after the the reports and um uh I guess before well we could do it after consent if you want >> but I'd like to move them up. >> You want to move the quasies? That's uh

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tab 23, tab 24, 25 >> and >> 26. You want to move those to the front? >> Yeah. Okay. The ordinances that are at the very end, too. >> You want to move those after our reports from citizens advisory and all those?

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>> Where do you want? >> Yeah, I thought I thought you know >> or after consent. Where do you want to move? >> I' I'd put them after consent because consent should be easy. Is that okay? Uh, let's see. Steve, any objections? >> No.

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>> Okay, Anna, vice mayor. >> Nope. >> Okay, very good. We'll move those up then. >> Thank you. >> Um, just before resolutions, I suppose. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Are we Is any more shuffling

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around here, folks? >> No, we're good. Okay. Um, so let's do something fun real quick if we can. you know, our um our youth council is a very important part of this community and a very important part of of our of our

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meetings and our village. We've got three members of our youth council that are graduating >> and I would like to recognize them if I can. Um they've served the village well. They've made some good recommendations. They've

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done awesome presentations to us in the past and we're very proud of them and we hope that we continue with our youth council. So, we have a certificate of recognition uh in grateful recognition of your dedicated service, leadership, and

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commitment as a member of the Alamra Youth Council. Your contributions have positively impacted the youth and the community of Alamra Village of Islands and exemplify the spirit and civic engagement and public service. So,

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Algra, are you here tonight? Would you come up? Let's see. But wait, there's more. Uh Tristan, are you here? Tristan Rios. And then who is not here

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is uh Nathaniel. But if I can >> I would like to congratulate you >> for serving well. Thank you very much. People wanting to do photo ops. You want to go out? >> There's people wanting to do photo ops.

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I think we need to do a photo. So, why don't you all gather around here and we're going to put them in front and center and we'll do a >> we'll do a photo. Come on. >> Oh, you want all of us? I was just trying to get all >> Thanks, Jeff. Sorry.

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>> Stand in the front. I'll hold that. >> I know. Thank goodness. >> All right, >> we need to do this more for >> Okay, let's move on now to uh our

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reports and presentations announcements. Uh we've got something from Aaron. Mr. Cutler, would you like to give us a update? I think it's exciting tonight. >> Yes. Good evening, council. I'm Aaron Cutler, project manager for the Florida Keys Aqueduct Authority, and I'm going

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to use the slides a little bit tonight. See if I can get it to work. >> I'm trying. I promise. There it is. Okay. So, um definitely excited to announce that uh as of last week, we now

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have all 34,362 feet of transmission main installed on the project. SO, JUST I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH HOW MUCH I appreciate the the public, the the council, everybody involved with this project and the patient that you guys

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have had, the support that you've shown. It's just under 7 miles, and you know, we started this back in uh March of 2025 and the the village and Plantation Key have had to deal with the traffic and all the situations with the school.

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Monroe County Sheriff's Office has supported us the whole way. Um, you'll notice even now as we had a meeting with the Sheriff's Office on Monday and we've got a really really small section up there by Julip Road where there's still about 200 ft of traffic control that's

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there because to make the once we get clearance from FD, you know, we have to get the water up to drinking water quality and there's some testing that needs to be done. So, they wanted to leave a little bit of flexibility so they could make that connection just right. But they found a way to even get

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that out of there. Um, the reason it's not gone gone yet today, the temperatures were around 99° while they were paving and the asphalt took a little while to harden up, but by the morning even that section of will be

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gone. So, you'll see that um all the off the road as of tomorrow morning. Okay. So, what we're going to be doing next is our our connection work. And I want to show everybody this map. So, I know it's kind of hard to see back here for the public, but basically each one

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of those blue boxes represent a gap that we have from the existing transmission main to our new transmission main pipe. And what we're doing is we're going in and we're we're shutting off the water and we're putting in like um the connection pieces so we can tie the two

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pipes together. and that has already started. We've completed two of them already. Um we're scheduled to do another one on May 19th, which I think is next Tuesday at at the Creekide Inn. There'll be a small little bit of traffic control, not on Overseas

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Highway, but it'll be right there by Vicks at that automotive shop. Um, we've also been able to open up I know some of the businesses have been challenged by we've been trying to keep um the old highway and the people getting back in and disrupting traffic, but we've been able to take that down as well. Um, so

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each one of these connections are basically planned about two weeks apart. Um, first or second week of June, um, we should be have have most of the connections done and and get clearance from D is our target. And then there's some um the rest of the rest of June

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we'll be focusing on those connections and then we'll move on to master meter work. So some of you may remember this kind of go by we're basically on step eight and step seven. Step seven is when we connect the inner loops and then we

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do the master meter connections next. Um and then after we finish that we'll basically be spending the latter part of this summer doing restoration and paving work. So, um, they're about 6 months ahead of schedule. I I do want to let everybody know that.

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And, uh, let me see if I had anything else to just share real quick. So, that's basically it tonight. So, we're we're moving from the transmission main pipeline installation. Um, there there there's no more night work that will be going on. You know, this has been a 24-hour day operation for a year and a

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half. They'll now move to just daytime operations. and they'll be doing the connections, the master meter works, and then start working on the restoration and the paving. So, I wanted to see if the council has any questions for me. >> Council,

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>> yes, Steve. >> Yeah. Um, when do you expect that paving to begin? >> So, what we're anticipating right now, I think, is they're showing August, like mid August. Now, there will be um master meter work and some restoration work before that. The goal is that when and

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there's some curbing they have to fix and sidewalk. The goal is that that's one of the last things that they do. Um when they get everything cleaned up, they they come with the milling machines and then do the paving. Uh if you've seen how we did in Marada and Windley, it's one of the last items that we'll do. But August to September, it'll

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probably be about a 30-day process >> hopefully before school reopens. >> Yeah. >> Best case scenario. >> Best case scenario. I mean, that's something that we'll definitely have to talk about as a project because we don't want to further impact that start of next year. That's that's a good point. >> And that restoration, is that just Plantation Key?

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>> So, it's going to start from Snake Creek where we started. And then even Old Highway, we're going to be doing some walkthroughs with the village with AJ and Peter and the staff because a lot of the hauling came from the Coral Way area there and along Old Highway. So, there's some of those areas. We took videos

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before we started and we're going to make sure that the contractor restores everything in kind as it was before they got there. >> Yep. >> Council, any anything else? Erin, I just want to thank you. I know it's been a a long haul and we are all getting a

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little um tired of the work, but what's necessary and and uh I thank you for all of the reports that you've given us and the updates. So, um I think the aqueduct and the contractors done a great job. You guys do deserve a hand for the work that you've done. So, thank you.

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>> I appreciate it. Thank you. >> There you are. >> Yeah. Let's go. Clean water. Okay. Uh let's see. Jennifer, you have an update for us. >> I do. I just wanted to quickly give everyone an update on our plates and plans event that um happened on April

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15th. It was here in the community center um from 11 to 1. Um we um were so excited with the turnout. I know it's going to sound not that big, but we had about 12 to 15 people. And for us, that was a good number over the course of the

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two hours. We felt like that was a really a doable number for the first one. And they were very engaging. They asked a lot of great questions and had a lot of good input. Um I also wanted to thank um Councilman Friedman, Councilwoman um Gillis, and Councilwoman

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Richards who attended as well. Um that was super helpful to show your support. I know the others were, you know, otherwise occupied. So, I know you would have been there if you could have been. Um um um the staff that attended were myself,

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Daniel Parabach, um Sheila Denort, Paul Mining, and Ron uh Saunders was there as well. And we um again, we talked with the residents that attended and answered questions. um some of the topics that came up. I'll just give you an idea that people are interested in the comp plan,

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traffic, parking and rights of way, hurricane evacuation, vacation rentals, affordable housing issues, tree mitigation, um ride share, um using Island Silver and Spice as a food court, truck, a food truck court, uh mangrove trimming, um

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noise complaints and construction work and utility work being done in Port Antigua. So, that's just a taste of some of the stuff that we talked about. So, it was a good cross-section of the things that people are concerned about. Um, we also had a feedback form and survey um at the end that people could

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fill out about other issues and we've received a few of those. So, we're still looking at those and people are interested in seeing more of these and us doing continuing to do more of these and maybe incorporating other departments as well. So, um right now I think we're looking at um every other

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month doing this um because we feel like that's a good schedule. Um, so we're looking at maybe scheduling another one towards the middle of end of June at this point. So, um, again, I want to thank everybody that attended, um, and provided information and feedback and, um, hopefully we'll see you at the

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upcoming ones. So, thank you. >> Fantastic. Thank you, council. Any comments to Jennifer? >> Nope. Okay. Thank you, Jennifer. Appreciate it. Um, let's see. Next, we need to move on to our citizens advisory

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committee reports and appointments. And on our agenda, we have the appointments first. There are expiring seats and so we're going to need some council liaison appointments as well. So, um, Marne, would you like to introduce the

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item and then I'll hand out our ballots? >> Sure. Uh, so as of last year, we now have staggered terms for all of our committees. uh which means that we have um approximately half of them expiring every May which is when the um process

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is spelled out in our code of ordinances to do reappointments. So that's where we are tonight. We have 24 seats that um were expiring. We reached out to both uh members whose term was expiring as well as putting out a recruitment process

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beginning in April to um get new applicants as well. Um so there were actually a few folks who did not want to come back. So we we do have um the primary most of them were interested in

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returning. Um on the council item um they I have uh put the same information that's on the ballots. So I have the board the number of openings and the names of everyone who is interested in

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appointment. Um so the council communication spells out which who's where but the ballot just has the names. So it'll most of them have a similar amount. Um there are a couple of committees where

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we have fewer applicants than we do seats available. Um so you know we would continue to recruit for those until we're able to fill them. But um that is where we are currently at. So we created

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these ballots. Um that seems to be how we've been doing these um the last year or so and they seem to work out well. So, um, I left those with you, mayor. So, >> thank you, Marty. I appreciate it. >> Uh, so, uh, if you if you've I'm sure

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you've Deb, you had something you want to say. >> No, I just was going to I was going to ask the procedure on the ballot. That's all you may be going over that. So, if you look at on the council communication on tab one, you'll see who are asking or

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seeking reappoint and then who the new applicants are. Um, if I hand you these ballots, you're going to see uh one for Anna and I'll hand them there. You're going to see the names. Uh, you'll be

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able to check to see who is asking for reappoint. For instance, on Historic Preservation Commission, there are four openings. There are currently three that are seeking reappoint. Um, and there's five

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applicants. So, um, you just there's four openings. Choose the four and we'll we'll tally them up. >> We're just going to check them. >> Yes, ma'am. I think four names in that case. The check mark next to the names. >> Okay. >> We'll be fine. and uh then we'll see let

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Marne tally them up and see how they would go. But um I think that's fairly the easy way to do it and hopefully we can do it get it taken care of in >> and these are the people that have applied for >> all of these people you have either

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applied to asked for reappoint or asked for to be put on in an opening >> and we're not considering anybody else other than who's applied >> the new applicants in a reappoint. Yes, sir. Yeah, these are the folks that showed

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interest in staying on or being put on. >> And please remember to put your name on the ballots. >> Mhm. All right. All right. I can't follow directions. I did X's. >> I did X, too. >> Do you need another one?

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>> No. >> No. >> We like X's. >> We're not playing tic-tac-toe. >> Okay, >> Marty, you want to gather these up then? >> I swear. >> You're going to look. I'm going to put it on

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>> dying to know. >> You know, you want to know. >> So, while Mar's checking that out, we can also uh asked the question going around for council liaison appointments.

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Um, as you know, each council member is appointed or has appointed themselves to be a liazison on each of the committees. The question would be, Anna, are you happy with where you want to stay? Do you want to stay on those committees or would you like to change?

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>> Um, I'm fine where I am unless somebody wants to change something. >> Um, I'll trade you in. >> Depends on what you got. What do you got to offer? >> Whatever. >> Yes. He has workforce. >> I have workforce. Affordable housing.

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>> That's all you. >> Yeah, it is. It is what I'm interested in. But if you're okay, you stay there. >> No, I'm fine. >> Vice Mayor, you're good. >> Steve, you're good where you're at. >> I'm fine. >> Serving well. Thank you. >> And I'm good. And I have two.

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>> Okay. Very good. Then we're all going to stay where we're at as far as the liaison appointments. morning. >> The external external one. >> Um, >> yeah. >> Oh, what? >> She put a zero.

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Okay. If if you're going to be a minute, I'm going to let go let somebody Okay. Let's see. Why don't we move on to uh Greg Dolly, will you give us your presentation on the land acquisition advisory committee? >> Sure thing.

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>> Thank you. Council members and mayor, thank you for your time today to hear our report from the land acquisition committee. My name is Greg Dully for that those who don't know me and I serve as chairman of the committee. Today will be a brief update

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regarding uh our recent activities along with a request um agenda number one uh priority list update. We sent out 68 uh revised letters to property owners within the

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village uh of identified properties that we thought would be uh great to acquire, see if the sellers would be willing uh for conservation. Um as a result of this effort, we had two owners of the 68 uh that expressed a serious interest in selling their properties um including

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the owner of the CHO property, which will be our next item. Um the Choke property is adjacent just south of Horse Pens. Um it's a little sliver of property. It goes from highway to uh all

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the way to the to the end. Um it's about 17 acres. Um adjacent to that, again going to the south as the highway goes, um is a large parcel that the CHO family had uh donated and is is currently owned

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by the village. Um we reached out to him and he is it it's already zoned as conservation. Um the state took a look at it but horse pens is a little bit of a clearance of a driveway that kind of encroached over to the property line. Um

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so for that reason they declined to acquire it. Um spoke to the owner of the property and he's very willing to sell it. Uh he's got a he had said that he'd entertain a price of between8 and $10,000 for the 17 acres. Um

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so >> say that say that price again. >> You heard him right. >> 8 to 10 grand for 17 acres. >> Okay. >> Um which we thought was very reasonable. Um the advantage there would would of course lock it in as village property.

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It would remain uh conservation. Um, and it's reasonably priced. We estimate uh appraisal cost to be about 5 grand. Uh, we're guessing survey cost about 2,000. So, we're looking at, you know,

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17 to $20,000 to acquire this property allin. Um, it is a very high quality hammock. Um, so the committee took a vote and, uh, they've asked that you guys approve. We

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currently have $25,000 in our budget um to to use um so we'd like to use some of that money to acquire this parcel. Um and then if we want to move on. So that was our first request and then our

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second request is for the future. Um in the previous year we had a budget of a million dollars that we didn't spend. We were holding on to it for the while we identified the properties. Unfortunately, with this fiscal year, it got knocked down to 25. Um, so the committee would like to ask the uh

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council folks that if it's at all possible for next year's budget to give us back our million dollars. We have three other properties that we've brought to you guys in the past that uh are ripe and willing to be acquired um and accomplish our goal. So, that was

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just another special request. And that's it. Any questions? So, uh, Anna, any questions? >> No. Vice Mayor Deb, >> I do. Um, the three properties, did you have a an approximate total of the three

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properties that we'd like to earmark for the future? >> I know you we presented them at >> Yes. >> a meeting a couple months ago, a few months ago, but >> Yes. But for tactical reasons, we've decided not to discuss that in today's meeting.

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>> If that's okay. >> Okay. Understood. >> Okay. Got it. >> Uh, anything else, Dan? >> No, they were um in the meeting. They were trying to help put together some

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information towards our budget. >> Okay. >> Coming forward. So, there's more details to come. >> To come. Okay. Yeah. >> We'll have that. I think it's too premature because when's the next fiscal year start? When's the budget start? >> We'll start budget meetings July.

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>> Okay. June, late June, early July. >> Okay. So, that brings up a question. Ron, what do you have as far as a schedule right now for a budget? >> Probably not till July, but I wanted to raise one point. The the my understanding was that the the total price was 8 to 10,000 for that first parcel.

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>> Yeah, he's just looking to recover his whatever tax >> since that part is budgeted. I would recommend that you make a motion to approve that recommendation because I can we can do that under my current budget authority. And if you want to move forward with it, uh I don't even think we need an appraisal because for

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$8 to $10,000 for how many acres? >> 17 as shy as 17. It's like 16 nine and change price. So if you want to proceed, I'm saying that rather than waiting on that one and the other we can start looking at our budget recommendations. We we won't know until the property appraiser comes out with the tax roles.

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So that gives us our budget starting point. But for this one, I don't see any reason to wait if we want to go ahead and proceed with the smaller parcel. And then once we get a better idea of what we should have for a budget for next year, we would certainly look at bumping it up from the current amount. >> Yeah, I'd be happy to come back uh next

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meeting or whenever we have time to present the other three parcels prior to the budget. Um I had presented them in the past, but again, we the committee had decided that they didn't want to do that today. They thought it was a little too far out. And just to clarify, it's I

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was rounding up. 16,964 16.964 acres. >> If I could ask everybody to please silence your cell phones. It's a third one that's gone off during the meeting. I'd appreciate it. Thank you. >> And I agree with Ron. I mean, for 8 to 10 grand, >> you know, I don't know if it's worth

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doing a an appraisal, but just because I didn't know if it was procedural. We just said we assume that we'd have to get an appraisal. >> Whatever we would legally need to do is what I think would be the right phrase. Um, I' I'd make that motion that we move ahead with that piece of property. There

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is a budget of their land acquisition account had 25,000 in it. So, >> there would be a motion to approve the recommendation of the committee and authorize the manager or designate and the attorney to work with the uh with

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the committee to acquire the property. >> Yes, that's exactly what I said. >> That's what you said. I got I got a question related to that. Okay. >> While before we get a second, >> um it's not that's not on the agenda. The public hasn't been noticed that

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we're about to purchase a piece of property. I I don't I mean I I think we can open it up to to uh public comment, but I think it's fair to the public if we're going to start buying a piece of property that maybe we should tell the

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public in an agenda item first and and then so I mean you've got a motion on, but I I think in fairness to the public if we're going to start buying property u great piece of property to buy, but I think everybody should know before we

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just start moving and buying pieces of property whether it's for a total of 20,000 maximum or 2 million or whatever we're spending taxpayer dollars and they everybody should know on the agenda first the way I look at it so there's a

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motion on the table I'll take a second if there's wants to give a second >> I think we might need some clarification too cuz I was informed by a staff member that it's not 17 acres it's4 acres is that I miss. I think Peter is Peter here.

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>> Is it point? No, it can't be. Is it really? >> Yeah. Yeah. Why don't we get some clarification on this? We notify the public and we do this >> rather than just going out and spending money um without the public knowing what we're doing with their tax their tax

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dollars. >> Yeah. I'm just going by the property records here. That's what it said. Deb, would you like to withdraw your motion or you just want to let it die for a second? >> I guess it doesn't matter. >> It It died a slow death. Thank you so much for your presentation.

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>> Thank you. >> Council, would you um >> I'll withdraw it. >> Would you like us to explore that and then potentially bring it back as a resolution for council to consider at the next meeting? >> I'd appreciate that. Thank you. >> Do you need that in the form of a motion? >> No, we're we're good.

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>> Okay. Very good. Uh let's see. Do we have a tally yet? >> We do. We also have a tie. >> Of course. Of course we do. Okay. So, um, for the Historical Preservation

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Commission, it will be Roland Moore, Jerry Oathy, Daffany Sit, and Craig Zabbransky. uh land acquisition, Carol and Amler, Frank Derler, Greg Douly, Tammy Gillio,

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and Dur Snograss. Uh the LPA, we are adding Cheryl Colulerson, James Ryan, and Matt Turk. Uh the parks and wreck uh was everyone who was applying and we still have one

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seat open. And so we have Natasha Early, Joe Janick, John Weir, and Kelly Boritch with uh one open seat that people can still apply for. And then the workforce housing um that is Joe Babino. Um Dean

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Eken, Anna Recart, and Frank Derler in nearshore water regulation. Um, we have a tie. Uh, we have Diane Harbaugh and William Todd are confirmed and a tie

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between Sarah Hamlin and Dirk Snuggrass. And if it's of any help, we just uh um appointed Durk to the land acquisition. >> So, you just want us to pick one of either Sarah or >> Sarah or D? Yes.

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Can I suggest we just take Sarah since Dirk just got on another committee? Sarah's not on a committee. >> I think we should >> I think we should vote no matter what. >> Sorry. I think we should vote >> just for nearshore between Sarah and D.

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>> Between Sarah and Durk >> and I assume you'll send us out. uh excuse me, a list of who actually we voted on because I didn't have my paper in front of me when I was working. >> Okay. Um, while we're going through this, I I I

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asked Marne at the beginning of the meeting when I was alone with her if we um >> if we if where your ears didn't hear me. Um, if we check to see these folks that

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are on here, are they registered voter in the village? And and we don't do that. And I I think I think that people that serve on our committee should be registered voters in the village of Alamana. I I would I don't think it's

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right that necessarily somebody that >> what >> I don't know if it is or not. I did I I don't know what I don't know. I think that I don't know if >> should they be registered voter or just asylum citizens? Registered citizens. I

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mean, you know, like verified addresses. >> I think if somebody's gonna be I I don't know. I It can have an effect on our taxes. It can effect on uh policies that are that that come through to this council. And I think that that's the the

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registered voters are the ones that are affected by that. >> Do we know what the old guidelines said? >> I don't know. >> I don't either. I don't remember. >> Something to think about. I'm pulling up here to see what the minimum requirements are.

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>> How are we looking, Marty? >> Um the we have uh three for Sarah. So Sarah Hamlin will be our next our last member of the committee. >> Okay. So now we've officially got our appointments done, but there's still some openings, you say?

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>> Correct. Yes, there's at least one opening in parks. >> Okay. >> That's in parks and wreck. Right. >> Right. Yes. >> All right. Uh I guess we can now move on >> to uh citizens advisor or charter review committee report.

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>> Did Did you want an answer from John? >> Excuse me. >> Did you want an answer from John about voter voting? >> It's um it's resident. They have to be a resident at the time of appointment and and dirt throughout their term. >> Just a resident. >> Just res. Okay. I don't mean just a resident. It's important.

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>> Sorry about that. Okay, Jennifer, you got a something on the charter review committee? You and John? >> John does. >> Yeah. Um, and I know our chair is here. Uh, the chair of the CRC um is here as well, which is Ty um Ty Harris, sorry.

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Uh, but we are uh looking for guidance from the council. So the the charter review committee uh put forward um a handful of uh suggested items that they thought would be beneficial um that they are recommending to the council to put

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forward to the voters. Uh we would need to have we put our um ballot items on via ordinance. So we would need to have an ordinance in our June meeting for first reading and then have second reading in July. And that way we be we would be able to make the uh the ballot

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for the November election. the I know that they they were circulated to you all. It's also in your agenda. I can go through them briefly and I can answer any questions um if you have them. The first proposal has to do with changing the uh terms of the council going from

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this is a a mult multiple changes are being proposed in this one. Um it goes from 2 years to 3 years. It would then stagger the terms and would stagger the terms starting with the November 2026 election. So,

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three uh three people if you're either elected unopposed or with the highest total number of votes um would get three-year terms. They would get they would get a term added on to the to the two years as a transitional phase. And then you would you would from there you

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you would have the staggering where three people would have uh three would be up for election. And then you'd have two up for election. Then you'd have no election. And then you'd go back through the cycle again every every 3 years. >> And this would take this would commence this from this November's election

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>> if approved. Yes. Then then the the the people who are elected in the November election would get um a uh would get an additional year added on. Councilwoman Gillis had asked asked me about to make sure that that was okay uh during her briefing. since we're adding on as

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opposed to taking away um legally we thought that that was okay to do that we could have it start with the 2026 election um should you all uh choose. Uh and it also changes the term limit. Um it go it changes it from from a number

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of years to a to a number of terms. Um that way if there's ever a change in the future uh in terms of how many years a term is, you wouldn't have to modify the the term limits. So it changes it from uh what is currently at for um uh eight

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years and it just says three terms. So three terms would would be nine years. Um but as opposed to saying nine years, if it ever changed to two, then that number, you know, having that odd number doesn't work. So we just we went with the the terms as opposed to the number of years. Uh so that's the proposal

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there. Um, and uh, so I would just need some guidance if this is something you want us to put together because then we have to put together a a ballot uh, ballot question summary title so that that that meets the statutory requirements. Um, this is what's recommended from the committee. You you

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all can say yes or no or you can make modifications to it if you'd like to see it uh, see it in a different way as well. Um, the second provision has to do with uh, council salary and benefits. uh they're proposing an increase um from

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$1,000 a month to $1,500 a month and uh and then also adding in a uh cost of living adjustment uh to go along with that as well. Uh then there's a provision with that I'll call the postponement of agenda items. uh it it

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sets forth it accepts out quasi judicial items but once an item has been placed on the agenda the proposal if it were approved uh would require that it it could not be postponed unless village staff determined that there was a good

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cause for the postponement or if it's a majority of the council uh votes to do that at the at the council meeting. Then there is a uh change for the council member vacancies which would uh

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change the timing of uh what would trigger a um special election to fill if there's a vacancy. Uh so if if a council member resigns um if that is triggered if the the remainder of the unexpired term is less than 50% um then you would

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have uh within 6 months you would be required to um oh I'm sorry if it's more than 50% uh within 6 months you would be required to hold a special election to fill that vacancy. Um and uh and then that would your your successor would be

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elected through that special election. Obviously that's contingent. The six months we have to get approval from the supervisor elections. They'd have to they have to give final approval as to when the day would be, but that gives us a deadline as to um uh when that special

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election would take place uh in order to fill that vacancy. There's also a proposal that relates to um what I'll call village property. Um it's a uh it's a requirement for a

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supermajority vote to um uh acquire uh sell acquire or sell village real property or if you want to make any uh comp plan amendment or zoning change to village property we that now that we couldn't do that on other people's property but I think you know we can do

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that it's a property that we currently own. we can put a heightened burden on oursel if we want to uh uh if we want to reszone our property that that we have that's a proposal that has come then the final the final issue actually deals

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with um death during qualifying or I shouldn't say death a vacancy in candidacy during qualifying that that was what was discussed because that was the the issue we had dealt with a number a few years ago but a vacancy in candidacy there's there's death is

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probably the most common way but other people can get removed from the ballot. So, there are two proposals. Um, one of them we could actually just do by ordinance um which uh it's up to you all but seems to me that is much simpler and um it would allow us just to move

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forward within the next couple of of months so that we we could have that in place for uh for this upcoming election if needed. Um, and that would just the that would the impact of a a removal of a candidate from the ballot would just you wouldn't have any further qualifying

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period and um if you have less than two people on the ballot, that person would just go in as unopposed and and they would go they would move forward. There was another proposal that would uh would reopen the qualifying period. Um, if you

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wanted to do that, we would need to make a charter change or that that would need to be a charter change proposal for the for the um uh uh the the u citizens to vote on. And that would basically reopen it for a limited period of time so that

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if some if it dropped if somebody dropped out, you could have a there could be a new um new or a new candidate that would would uh fill that spot or could be multiple candidates. If you were already qualified before the the vacancy occurred, you wouldn't need to

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re-qualify again. You would continue on, but it would open up the qualifying candidate the qualifying period again to allow for more people to come in. So that that one is the the committee did not make a recommendation on that other than the fact that we need to address

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it. So they put forward, you know, the the potential charter change option as well as a a code change option to uh to address that. And those are all of the um items that were approved by the uh the CRC to uh to bring forward to you

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all. >> Council D. I'm sorry, Steve. You got a question? Raise your hand. >> Okay. So, I I Can I start with the last one first? Sure. >> This one about um death or lack of a somebody being disqualified for some

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reason. um the the way the ones worded for the charter change uh no matter what the odds are that the the person's name

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is still going to remain on the ballot and if we qualify a new person that person's name will not be on the ballot. It would it would look more like a write in because it will have already gone to press and the elections department wouldn't have the ability to take the

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one person's name off and add the new person's name on. That's part of the reason why they need us to um qualify in in August because they have to go to print. Okay. So, I

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personally think that we ought to do the ordinance um version where we control it. And what that means though is if there's only two people and somebody dies or is disqualified for it's it's an automatic

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it's like running on a post. >> But that's option option B. >> But that's option B, >> right? But the other way, the person that's going to run against the one remaining is his name's not going to be on the ballot.

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>> So, I would I would be for option B, I guess, is what I'm saying. >> Steve. >> Yeah. I think just before we get into the the details, John, um we have approximately six different um items for

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referendum, should we decide to take all of them, is this are each one of them going to be a different voting block on the ballot? Are they going to be blocked in as one? How is that going to work? >> They will be separate with the exception

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of the staggered terms one, the proposal that came from the CRC. um uh was that it only in their opinion it only made sense if you block those together because um they felt if you if you got an approval of a staggered term and you only and you and you stayed with

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the two-year terms then you'd literally have a village election every single year. And so they thought that the that it only made sense if you if you coupled it together with the with the three-year term. So that one would be at least as proposed would be grouped together. All

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of the others would be separate um uh separate ballot questions um for for a vote up or down by the by the uh electorate. And I should say I don't we don't necessarily need a a definitive uh uh approval from from everyone tonight cuz obviously we'll have discussions

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about this um at first and second reading. But before I started spending time on drafting, you know, ballot language for this, if there were any that you definitely did not want to do or or like Councilwoman Gillis said, prefer the the ordinance uh option for

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the the vacancy um in a candidate, which I should say we do need to address under statute. We have to to address that. Then I don't need to create a ballot question for it. I can I you know, it's just I want to make sure that I'm um using my time wisely as to what you all

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want to see. So, >> so each one stands on its own. You can they can pass some and fail some. >> Yeah. >> And I just want to um thank again the committee for doing all this work. I think they have some great recommendations here and really put in the time on behalf of everybody. So appreciate your all your work, Tai, and

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everybody on the committee. >> And I should say for our ordinance, I will have them all in the ordinance together. It doesn't mean you can't, you know, carve one out. Um, but for the ballot, I was answering your question for the ballot, but when I present it to you all, I'll present it all as a single ordinance to make it just crisper and

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easier for uh for discussion and passage purposes. >> Okay, >> Deb, your mic's still on. You still have something? >> Sorry. >> Okay. And >> Well, no. I was just wondering where we're going with option B or >> Well, we'll figure that out in a minute, I guess. Anna, you got anything you want to talk about these things?

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>> No, not really. I mean, they put in a lot of work, a lot of effort to to do this, and I think it's up to the public to decide what they want. >> Vice Mayor, >> agree. >> So, I completely agree, too. I think we had a great committee. I'm thankful for all of the hard work that the committee

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put in and and and the time they spent. I'm thankful for the folks that showed up to all of those meetings. I uh watched every one of them. I came to the first one, but watched every one of them on and it was a lot of good discussion and deliberation and and I think they

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did a good job. And u Ty, I hate to toot your horn, but I think you did a good job leading them. Uh Ty, while you're here, is there any comments you'd like to make? Uh since you were the chair of the committee, >> you could have just said no and we'd had

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them. No, because I I hear some huffing in the back. So, it makes me want to kind of address where some of these recommendations came from. First, you know, we we weren't doing this in a vacuum. We had League of Cities, we had

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We Serota, we had great staff support from Jennifer, Marne, and Frank. So, we weren't just fumbling around. And on top of that, you know, we had veterans of the LPA. uh Lori Leon, uh Susan Raphael,

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uh the Roger Young who's now been appointed. So, it's not like people were coming without experience. Also, I think we did a good job focusing on cities that are similar in size that are coastal um to look at what they did in

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terms of where we should focus our efforts. And you know, the first thing that Dev wanted was talking about was the, you know, what do we do with with these um these situations where people uh drop out or they die. In the eight

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years that I've been here, we've had two resignations and a death while they were on council. So, we thought it was very important that we addressed that. Um, I've heard some some whispers in the back when we talked about raising

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salaries. Uh, it's not a lot of money in the big scheme of things and a little bit more um seem to be kind of in line with what other cities are doing that are our size. So, we would still be on the lower end of compensation. Um, I

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think the other one that I've heard in the community as being uh an issue is the three-year term. And I think it's very important that people understand where the three-year term came from. A budget cycle in the village is a three-year cycle. You all remember your

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first term here. You came in two years into a three-year budget cycle and we're having to digest the previous council's budget. The idea is for fiscal accountability that you're going to run through an entire cycle. So, you're

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going to own it uh from from soup to nuts. You're going to own your own budget cycle. We're not going to get caught in the middle uh with a council that says, "What was the previous council doing?" So, I thought that was important. We also discussed that from a

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continuity standpoint for staff, it's easier if you have the same people on council. I don't care what anybody says. Having been on on staff, I know the first year being on council takes acclamation. And I don't care what I hear on the radio or I read in Brana

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Community Allianc's newsletter, it's not true. And so having that three-year term allows people to to acclimate themselves. Nobody can sit here and tell me you were more effective in your first year on council than you were on your

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second year. You know more. Imagine with 3 years, you're going to know more. Uh the the counterargument to that is, well, if we don't like somebody, we think they're doing a bad job, a 2-year term, we can kick the bums out. So, that was the that was the the counterargument

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to keeping the 2-year term, but I want you to understand where the three years come from. It comes from uh fiscal accountability for your budget. So, that's what I have. And I hope I hope you accept our recommendations because we had a great group uh that worked on it.

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>> Thank you, Ty. I appreciate that. And yes, you did have a great group and and good leadership. So, we're thankful for that. So, I don't hear anybody grumbling over any of these except we do need to address for John option A or option B on

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the death during qualifying. And Deb, you've already said that you like option B. You prefer option B. Okay. Um Steve, do you have a preference over the two? >> I do not.

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>> Okay. Uh Anna, >> I do not. >> Okay. Are uh Well, I guess we need to give John some direction. So, would you prefer to have option? I guess I >> I'll give the direction. Never mind. >> I guess I guess I asked the question

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wrong. Would will y'all let me know who what you would prefer option A or option B? >> Let's do that like that. >> So you can you could think of it this way. Is it do you do you want another item as we're looking at six? This could

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be part of the deciding factor besides I think it's just cleaner. Um six items on the ballot that we need to educate people on. This would take one off. you'd only have five items on the ballot potentially.

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>> Well, and it keeps John from having to write two different options on this as to far as the legal lease that goes into having to do this vote as well, >> right? Um, >> I I just think it's important for people to for us to realize that no matter what

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we do, if that be the case, which is was the case last time, is both names stayed on the ballot. And they're going to and people are going to vote for the person who stepped off or the person who uh got

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disqualified or the person who died. It's it's going to happen because people don't pay enough attention as to what's going on. I hate to say that, but that's that is what happened. Um,

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so it's just cleaner just to clean it up from the beginning and just let the person Now, if there's if there's three people in that seat, >> then there would still be >> then it would still be on the ballot. >> There still be two names on the ballot to vote for. That's right. >> Right. Right.

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Uh I I personally like auction B as well uh rather than starting. >> Okay, let's go with B. >> B. You're on a B. I'm fine. Okay, we're good. Anna, >> B is fine. >> You're not left out then. Okay. So, there you go. >> I'll have all of these back for the June

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meeting. >> All All of the committee recommendations are uh we've we we'd like for you to go on write the whatever needs to be done and then option B on the other. >> Got it. Okay. >> So, I did have a couple I just started with the last one. I did have a couple >> Oh, okay.

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>> discussions on the others. >> Okay. >> Uh the postponement of agenda items. Do do we really think that we have a need? First of all, we all we have all seen long ballots. So, I think we need to

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focus on in well, they're all important, but important things on the ballot uh to that we think need to be changed. Um, do we do we think we have a problem with

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things being postponed unwarranted? I don't either. So, why are we doing this? And I'm going to say the committee decided that they feel like there was a need for that. >> Well, this this provides for the council

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to still say no, we don't want to hear it tonight. There's a provision in here. >> Yeah, it still can happen. It's just a super majority, >> right? No, it's not a super. It's a majority. >> It's a majority. >> Not a super majority. >> Ty, what was Can I ask you, Ty, since you chaired, what was your rationale

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behind that? Maybe that'll help answer Deb's. >> This is for acquisition and say >> no, this for postponement postponement of agenda items. >> So, so you look out in the audience right now, there are a bunch of people here. If you were to take an item off of

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the agenda that they all showed up for without good cause, I think you might send a bunch of people home kind of pissed. So the idea was to create a standard so that there's some standard at least for when an item comes off and

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quas judicial is a different deal but um that we don't just take things off because the agenda is too long or we don't like the item or even an applicant comes up and looks around and goes gez all these people are against me I need to pull it. I mean there were a lot of

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discussions about that. Um it wasn't directed at any particular council. It was just the frustration that people show up and then the item they showed up for isn't heard. So, they want to hear a reason for that not being heard. And

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that was the genesis for that uh recommendation. >> Okay. Steve, >> I I and I and I appreciate the reasoning behind that. My only issue with it is it's uh good cause is not really well defined. >> Yeah. Right. Never has been. >> Never has been. Right.

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>> And and I even asked about that. It's good cause by the village staff, but the majority vote council doesn't it doesn't say that we have to have good cause. Hopefully, we would. And I think we have in the past

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and we're we commonly ask, are you okay with pulling this item before we pull it? >> Yeah. and we look for if we think that there's a problem, not necessarily with our council, but past councils or future councils.

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I I just don't want to see so much on the the ballots that people just ignore it all. I personally don't think we need this one. >> Okay, Steve, I get on board with that. I I think because it's a a pretty um broad

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definition of what good cause is, it seems that that this we could even if it's voted on and passed in a referendum, then we're going to have debate of we pull something and then well, what's the c what's the >> somebody have a really good reason and

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that's good cause enough? It's just another >> Yeah, I Okay. >> Are you guys okay with rejecting this proposal? You are you are Anna. >> I mean regardless.

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>> All right. So there seems to be a consensus on the postponement of the agenda item. Uh and it that would item is now rejected. So we won't even need to write that one up. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. My next one. Sorry. >> Okay. Yeah. >> I drilled into these. I thought that's what we were going to do. So, uh, the next one is on council vacancies. Um, I understand I understand where we were

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trying to go with it or where they were trying to go where we're trying to get to. Um, if if we have somebody resign within the first 30 days, it says that within the first 6 months, you have to hold an

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election. What are you going to do for 6 months? You're going to council is going to appoint somebody to take their place, >> right? >> You're going to have except for one year, >> if I got this right, on the cycles,

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except for assuming we get three-year terms. Assuming we get three-ear terms, >> y >> you're going to have an election within the year and you're going, the council is going to have to make an appointment anyway.

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What did we accomplish by writing this? >> Well, it's not duplicative like it was before. >> You think it's cleaner? >> I think it's Yeah, I think it's cleaner. I think it gives uh the people a chance to to weigh in. >> Well, I say I think that what it said

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before is is what this says. But because we had two years terms, it was clouded. John, do you want to shed some light on that? >> Yeah, with when this provision was never

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updated when we went from four to two-year terms and what what happened uh as council member Freeman I think it was you pointed out that it was duplicative before um in that if you had more than 50% or less than 50% you went to the next village election and the next

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village election regular election was just every two years. So it >> happened either way. >> Yeah. So, um this this was a this is a provision that if the three-year uh terms are rejected would um uh would

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require an election before the the end of that 2-year term. Um whereas and so this would apply whether you have a two-year or a three-year term. So, even if you have a two-year term, if somebody resigns um you know, four or five months into the term, you're going to have an

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election before the next um uh the next general village election. So, you will have an election for the remaining year or whatever it is on that term. Um so, this I guess it changes it. So, at a minimum, if we stay in the 2-year term, we're not we will always have we we

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won't ever get into a position where, you know, we won't have an election that it'll just be an appointment for the remainder of the term. Um, I'm making my I don't I feel like I'm confusing myself and I'm confusing you guys. >> It's still confusing. >> Yes. So, okay.

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As it stands now, if we have a two-year term, you would never have you would never have an election a special election to for for a vacancy. If we move to three-year terms, as it currently stands, you would have a

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special election because depending on the time, because you could have an election, a regular village election um prior to the the the end of that term. Um, if we

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stay if if this is approved, it would ensure that you have a special election. It would ensure there's always a special election, whether there's it's a two-year term or whether it's a three-year term. It would just specify as to when it it takes place. But this would ensure that you do always have a

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special election, even if the three-year term gets rejected. So, if on even on a two-year term, I may have been, this is so confusing, um on a two-year term, if somebody quits, dies, resigns, whatever,

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there would have to be an appointment until an election, but it would happen at the next, it would be a special call election. >> Correct. As long as it was more than 50% of the term remaining. If it's less, so say we're at the two-year term. If somebody resigns 11 months in, you would

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have a special election. If somebody resigns 13 months in, you would not. You would appoint for the remainder of the term. >> That's how I understand it. >> Yeah. >> And then with the three-year term, then you're just the math is just different. You know, it's a year and a half in. On either side, you would have uh either appointment or election.

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>> But doesn't a special election cost money to the taxpayers? >> Yes, it does. It does. >> That's something to think about. >> And we don't we don't know. It's been reported anything from I don't know 17 or 18 to 30 >> thousand.

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We and we won't know. >> Right. >> Well, that's why we're going to let the voters decide, should we? >> And so the voters would decide >> this the voters would have special election anyway with threeear terms. >> We're going to fall on an off year.

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>> Yeah, we probably would fall on an off year. >> Okay. >> All right. Next. Next, we got another >> Of course I do. You think I don't? >> Uh, the acquisition or selling of property with a

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super majority. Um, I don't think we've had a problem. I think it's been pretty uh agreeable. And um once again, I don't want to put too many

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items on the ballot that that they all just get lost in the shuffle because you've got so many items on the ballot. I saw was it the last election that the county had so many items or the state somebody anyway they it was a long

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ballot and people get ballot fatigue. So, I really don't think this is another one that is needed. Uh, the first two possibilities I don't think has ever happened. Um, the comprehensive plan changes, I think there's only been a

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couple in all the years. So, I would like it not to be put on the ballot as well. I think the committee talked about this quite a bit and I there were several other uh there were several other suggestions the charter review committee

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looked at and just felt like they weren't important enough. I think they they took the time and went through this and they felt this particular issue because the the the taxpayer again the taxpayer dollar is being spent in one

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way or another for land acquisition and I think they felt that it was important enough to have that item on there. I don't I don't know that it is or not. Um I don't I I don't remember any of the votes being close enough to where they were, you know, kind of arguing

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>> two vote. >> Yeah. >> They're mostly maybe four ones, but >> Yeah. >> Annie, you feel one way or the other about this one? >> Not really, but I feel like the committee put in a lot of work and why not let the people decide. Let

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>> the people decide. >> Yeah. I Okay. Okay, now I'm done. >> Okay, wait. I can wait for But wait, there's more. >> Oh, wait. There's more. Now it's your turn. Right. >> Okay. All right. So, I think you've got

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clear direction. >> Yes. >> It's clear as mud. >> Yeah. >> Um, we can move on to another citizen advisory committee to uh Diane Harbaugh. is >> good evening.

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What's >> that? Sorry for >> you. Good evening, council. Everybody else sits here. I'm Diane Harbaugh. I'm the chairperson for the nearshore water advisory committee. And this is from our April 21st meeting. The Monroe

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County Sheriff's Office updated us about the wheel ditch and the enforcement of the slow speed zone. They're seeing an 85% compliance thus far. Um, no citations are being written. This is more of a warning learning period right

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now. Um, you know, they're implementing a a bunch of ads, a lot of social media. Um, so they're really doing a really good job, I think, of trying to get the word out there of what's going on with the wheel ditch, especially since we have tarpon season right around the

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corner, and that's when it gets run probably more than any other time of the year. Uh, we want to thank the council, the staff, and especially the state park for bringing this back up and really get getting us on board with doing this

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whole slow speed thing. So, thank everybody. um holistic management of Islam Marada nearshore waters. We're still working on that. Um we're going to do a big uh we've got some maps now. We're going to

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kind of lay out ideas of pri priority areas at our next meeting about getting a holistic approach to you know the swim zones and stuff like that. Uh national parks was very interesting. Um reached out to the national marine sanctuary. I

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mean not parks national marine sanctuary and their current superintendent may not be there anymore. He's going to work for the TDC. So, but he did give me this update. The restoration blueprint regulations have been in place since

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March of 2025 in federal waters and the previous 1997 regulations remain in effect in state waters. Noah has recently decided that it will retain the new regulations in federal waters announced at the last SAC meeting. The

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next step is to publish a federal register notice to codify the regulations in the law, which we expect to be sometime this summer. The National Marine Sanctuary staff is concurrently developing education and outreach materials to reflect the regulations as

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they now stand. The easiest way for users to know the rules in the areas they are operating on in the water is to download the Sanctuary Explorer app or refer to the website. The graphics and

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interactive maps for both platforms have been updated and reflect the users can and can't be done in particular areas and zones. The new regulations are enforceable in federal waters, the old regulations in state waters. So that's

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where we stand with the National Marine Sanctuary right now. Um then we talked more about putting bird stakes, you know, in the little island right off of Robbiey's, not all the way up to the where the land is, but there's that little bit of it's not really an island.

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It's but it does stick out of the water sometimes. There that little area we've tried to get with the state. The state doesn't have it. It's sanctuary. We found somebody at sanctuary that says, "Oh, yeah, that is ours." So, we're going to try to get bird stakes put in there. And the reason for that is people

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are literally swimming from DOT property at the end of the bridge out to that little spot feeding and c or catching the tarpon. And um you know, it's actually a really dangerous spot for them to be. If the bird stakes are implemented and put in, it can be

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enforced that those people can't be there. So, and it might bring the seaggrass back that was there 20 years ago. So, that's the goal. Tavanir Creek Extension slow speed zone. The permits are submitted to the state and federal agencies. Once installed, the slow speed

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will be in force. So, that is getting closer to getting done. Um, a brief update was given on Founders Park boat ramp. Um, the village is looking to renovate and expand the current ramp and parking. A request to the council is on the agenda tonight to fund the

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conceptual design of this. Um added to our agenda was the Marina ordinance. This is resurfaced again is on the agenda for tonight's first reading. As previously discussed in our October meeting and shared with council back in

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November, the committee request language change to rem remove remove humanpowered vessels from that ordinance. And I have all the minutes and documentation from October and we

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spent a long time on it and a a lot of it was about enforcement. So if anybody has any questions about that, I know it'll be on. I'm going to stay while it's on the agenda tonight in case you have any questions. >> Thank you, Diane. >> Anybody else? Anything? >> Thank you all.

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>> Thank you, Diane. >> Right. Moving on. I think that's the end of uh our advisory committees. So, let's move on to mayor and council communication. Steve, I think you had something you wanted to bring up.

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Yeah, just a couple of personal acknowledgements and good to dovetail right off of Diane uh coming up here and talking about the wheel ditch. Um today May uh we're in May 12th marks the 13th anniversary of the passing of Captain

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Brent Johnson in the wheel ditch. And so um I just wanted to uh let everybody know that um I I very much appreciate the the staff's work on on this slow zone. I've been through there many times. it seems to be working. I haven't seen anybody personally violating it and

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I think uh it's a safer place because of that. So, I just appreciate everybody's work on that. And then also um my daughter will be graduating from Coral Shores this year and we're coming to the end of another school year and I just want to say thank you to uh all the teachers and administrators that help

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our youths. Thank you so much. >> All right. Anybody on Vice Mayor? >> Yes. Um, I would like to make a request for our staff to go back to the afteraction report the way it was laid

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out before. This is really difficult to follow. I have the old copy. Is there any objection to going back to the way it was? >> No. >> I uh Deb,

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>> I just thought that the the staff struggled with the old one. How that's what his staff was telling me. It was difficult to manage. >> H. So maybe we need to ask Ron that question.

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>> Okay. So you can ask that question, Ron. Get back. >> We're open to changing it. I mean, it's obviously for the benefit of the council and the public. If we can make it easier to read or whatever, we're open to suggestions. >> It's difficult. Do you know what the objections? Not objections, what the

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>> difficulty >> difficulty. Thank you. Difficulties were before with the report. >> Well, some of it predates me. So, obviously, we reinstituted it. When I came on, they were not being done and we at the request of several people, we reinstituted them. As far as the format

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goes, I'm not sure the format rel it's like the more the question was what should go on the report, whether it's only council directed action or things that we're doing that didn't really directly come from the council. And I think that was the difficulty determining what items, not necessarily

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how they're presented, but what should be on it or not on it. Uh I'm always of the opinion that more is better, the more transparency the better. So if that's the problem, I'll try to get more things on there. If that's what you're saying. If it's the presentation, I don't think there's much concern about

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how it's presented. It's just question of what items should or shouldn't be on it. >> I'm not Mayor. Was it the format that or was it just the information? >> Both. >> Both. >> Yeah. So, >> so you like the Excel spreadsheet type of format rather than a Word document. Is that what you're saying?

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>> Yes, I did. Yeah. And it's just personal preference and I've heard it from other people in the audience. So, it's not that major of a thing. I just didn't think >> Okay. >> So, I would say I' I'd like Ron to look

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at it and and at least reach out to his staff and and find the pros and cons and reach out to the rest of us. >> Yeah. All right. Yeah, just let's talk about that. >> Okay. And one more thing, I would like to see our comp plan meetings be broken

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down by the sections in the comp plan and have a workshop that maybe goes from 1 to 4, have one that goes from 4 to 8. that last comp plan didn't it wasn't very good and I'm sorry

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it wasn't it turned into the machado uh workshop so I would like there's a lot of questions on this comp plan there's a lot of decisions to be made I think we need to dissect it and take it in pieces so I'm asking if that can be

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done as well okay and somebody get that >> yeah I'd asking him, "Please silence your cell phones." Um, >> uh, >> Steve, did you if you were you here at

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the last comp plan meeting or you watched it on TV? >> I watch it. Yeah. Watch it on TV. Right. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> and I do like that idea of of kind of separating at different workshops. I'm I'm fine with that. >> Thank you, >> Jennifer. How many more workshops are you was were we planning on doing to uh

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to try to get the word out and talk about these things? >> Um we don't have any um number of workshops scheduled at this time. We were the public comment period is open until June 1st. We're waiting to see how many additional comments we receive and then if the draft document changes

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significantly then we will be scheduling additional workshops. If it doesn't change significantly based on comments that we're receiving or not receiving, whatever the case may be, we would proceed directly to the LPA hearings at that time. So, we haven't made that

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decision at this point, but if the council directive through the manager is more workshops, then we will do that. >> Deb, what's your preference on it? >> I guess I get to say I guess I don't care. I do care. uh I I don't want to

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drive a lot of uh unnecessary meetings but at the same time this is an important issue. So if there's a way of I don't know how many com are you are you currently receiving quite a few

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comments or some comments? >> No we're not >> no um >> how many comments would you guess to say that you've had in the past week? in the past week. One >> one. Okay. Um

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Anna, what's your preference? >> Guess it's I mean, if she's not getting any comments, then it's kind of hard to keep holding meetings if we're not getting anywhere with them. >> I can tell you in total, we've received four com four sets of comments in total

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since since the draft has been available. >> Sher, you said you've heard from a lot of people. What is it exactly? They're saying that they were they people that attended and it was just too much to try to consume or >> it's too much to try to consume. Plus,

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uh um in 25 years, don't don't complain to me if we have issues. I mean, it was I don't think we really addressed anything that night. I'm sorry. And I was sitting next to you and it turned into Machado Show is what it turned

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into. And again, a lot of people uh don't feel it it's a lot to absorb that whole comp plan. It's a huge thing. And uh it we like affordable housing's not really addressed in there really. I

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mean, we need to think about what we want to see affordable housing look like in the future and have people have input. I mean, if nobody wants to do it, nobody wants to do it. Just point to me in 25 years. So, if nobody wants to do it, >> I haven't heard anybody up here say they

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didn't want to do it. I just think that they they they're not hearing comments coming back from the public as well. >> So, how many um >> Go ahead. I I think that perhaps

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perhaps we could have another and split the comp plan in half and do the first half section one meeting and the second half the next meeting and see who attends and what if that's sufficient to get to help uh Able Able City go on and and finish

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what they're doing. Well, didn't didn't you hear Abel City every time somebody asked something, he turned to his poor wife and said, "Oh, she's looking that up." Or, "We don't know." That's a good point. Did I >> Oh, I heard him. Not every time, but I heard him say that. Yeah. A couple of

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times, we didn't address the eagle issue. There's a couple, but >> right, >> but he but again, he was he was here to hear those kind of comments >> so that he could include them in there. >> Um,

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I was going to say I I think part of the the difficulty is that it's a different style C plan than what we had before and what we've seen in the past. Um because more it's more of a policy and not not

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before we had some of the LDR type stuff in it. Yeah. >> And and that's not where we're going now. It's more of a policy which a comp plan should be. That's what it is. >> That's what it should be. I'm not I'm not saying we shouldn't have discussions.

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>> Yeah. No, I'm hearing you. I think >> I'm hearing it, too. >> Just how you know, should we split it up three ways, four ways, five ways? If if we did it half and half, >> I think half. And then that way we can see if they've addressed the comments that have been >> Yeah. >> that have.

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>> Can we schedule two more then, Jennifer? I think I'm hearing that. Is is there a way to schedule two more uh meetings for the public to go over the first half of the comp plan and then the second half rather than trying to and then not

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letting it turn into one particular uh item because I know that that was a concern like Sharon said it it was really hijacked by one particular issue that >> it got hijacked a couple >> right >> yeah I'm happy to speak with Abel city

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and see um what that looks like and how we can make that work. Um I'll just uh be frank though that the the budget is running low on that project and so we might have to come back for additional funds to allow for depending on what

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number of workshops you want Able City to come down here and and be present present at. So because they also need to come down for LPA and for two readings at council. >> Did the original proposal from him limit a certain number of workshops? >> Yes. and

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>> and we've already exceeded that >> because we did don't forget we did a week of charetses when they were here in the building last year. We did two public workshops last year. >> Okay.

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>> Do you all want to hold a half and half and approve additional funds? Well, why couldn't we just have it with staff and staff will have had the comments come back from Able City and then we wouldn't be having to pay them to come back down.

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We could just have it here. I'm not comfortable with that because I didn't author the document. So, if there's specific questions about what was in the document, I would rather the author be the one to address those. But I appreciate the supporting. >> Why don't we zoom in then?

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Yeah. I mean, they can zoom in and not drive down if you want. Yeah. But I mean, we still may have to pay for their time now. >> I mean, I didn't see a lot of people walking around with the poster boards and working on those the way we did on the first. >> We received no comments on the poster boards. >> And you got no comments on I don't think

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there were any sticky notes when I left on the poster boards. >> So, I don't think that was an engaging kind of thing. But, um, >> all right. Is there so there's a consensus to have half and half another meeting? >> Yeah, I think I think we we ought to

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schedule half and half and if we find that nobody comes to the first draft and we can cancel the second half. If we're not getting any response there's um going forward I think at the council level we need to break it into

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>> the comp plan small pieces. Comp plan's a a difficult document anyway. Not it's not like LDRs. >> It's it's it's a it's a document where you're screaming road trip. The LDRs are where your rules of the roads are. So you you understand that a little better,

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>> right? >> Than just the the big picture, but >> right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I think there's a consensus. Jennifer, uh anything else on mayor and counsel? Good deal. Let's uh >> let's move on to the village attorney

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and manager. We got a report from Tom. He's been waiting all night for to be able to go get up there. >> Sorry, I rushed the mic a little too quick. >> No, thank you. Sorry about that. >> Thank you. >> Mayor, council, village manager, staff. Thank you. Appreciate you having me here tonight. Um wanted to give an update on

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the consent order and some of the wastewater things that we've been working on. Maybe. There we go. Maybe not. >> I thought I did.

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>> There we go. There we go. So, just as a reminder, because I know it's been maybe 6 months since I've been here last, uh, the village did receive a an FD consent order. Um, what does that mean? What that means is it's a letter from the from the state saying, "Hey, village,

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you have some challenges with your wastewater system. Uh, we'd like you to fix them and we'd like you to have that done by a date certain." There were three things uh that was identified in the letter. Um there was a failure to

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prepare submit uh an emergency response plan. This was something new that was put in by the D that the village didn't need to do at that time, but since the consent order came through, they threw it in there. Um this the village has experienced six uh

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sanitary sew overflows and the conveyance force main since 2021. Um and then the village had not provided a completion date for the permitted inline booster station. Um we came up with remedies for each one of these. So

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for instance, the emergency action plan, we prepared one. Um the overflows, the inline booster station, we'll fix the overflows and we're also doing an evaluation on the conveyance force main. And then finally, they wanted a date um

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to have the the inline booster station completed by December 31st of 2027. So, we've came up with a schedule to to meet that date. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, they give specific dates in the D uh

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consent order. Um very impressed with uh AJ and the village staff in meeting every one of these dates. Uh the consent was signed in October of last year. Um we're working through an inind project request, but we did meet uh the

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required date. We submitted a compliance plan and an implementation schedule. We submitted our first by-anual progress report in January. We submitted the emergency response plan. So, so far of the first five dates, we have we we've

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hit every one of them. Um there's three more to go. We have another um progress report that's due this coming June and then we have to complete the booster station by December of 2027. And then we just have to submit a certificate of

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completion. So really um if there's a critical path on this job, it's getting the booster station done. So how are we doing that? Uh just as a reminder, uh this is the location of the existing North

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Plantation Key pump station. The new booster station is going to be in red. Uh just as a reminder of where this work was going because I know it's been a little bit of a of a time. And where we're at is we have actively bidding the construction of the booster

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station right now. Uh bids are due June 17th of this year. We had a mandatory pre-proposal meeting uh yesterday. Sounds like we got about four or five interested contractors. So that's good. We'll get some good numbers. We have a

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mandatory site visit with all the contractors next week on the 20th. We're hoping to bring um a recommendation to council on July 7th of this year to allow the village manager to sit and negotiate with um this the selected

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contractor. We'd like to give them a notice to proceed by August 31st and have construction completed on time. The engineers estimate to complete constructions 12 months. Um so we have about three or four months of float. I wish that was a little longer, but

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that's what we have. I'm I'm I'm pretty happy with it. But, you know, more time is always good because you never know what's going on in the construction world right now. Everybody's very busy, but we do have some float in that schedule. the conveyance force main. If you

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remember, um we're assuming that the inline booster station will fix all the problems, but the decision was made to let's look at the force main and make sure there isn't anything else wrong with it. So, we installed um a smart ball and really

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what that is is a smart ball. Um, you put it in the pipe over at at the NPK pump station and it travels all the way to the Keargo wastewater treatment district where it kind of pops out into the into the wastewater. Uh, that's been done and basically what

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that ball does is it identifies irregularities in the pipe. It kind of bounces around and it knows where it is and what's going on. It's actually found 20 irregularities inside of the pipe. Um, that doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with the pipe. What that does is it's picking up trapped air

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inside the pipe or maybe a small leak inside the pipe. It could be anything. Um the company that that put the ball in and is is preparing a report right now. We should have that in a couple of weeks. Um we've also installed pressure monitors to let us know what's going on

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inside the pipe. Um that's been completed. Um we did get some information from that. Um, we are going to start digging up portions of the pipe. If you remember, I brought the pipe last time and showed how it, you know, you overhome it or you, you know,

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put it in too deep. We're looking for those kinds of situations. Um, that should be done by the end of June. By the end of July, we should have a hydraulic analysis done. Basically, what we're looking for now is what's going on

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inside the what's the water doing? you know when when you put water through a pressure pipe it it's not just you know constant and consistent it bounces around air gets trapped right so we have hydraulic modelers that come up with what actually is happening the smart

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ball information will be very useful for that uh we expect to have a recommendation if we do think anything needs to be done to the conveyance force main outside of the inline booster station we're hoping to have that done by the end of September.

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Now, that's all important information for um this the rate study. We've kicked off the rate study. Um we've held several coordination meetings with Rafelis, Wade Trim, the village

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um gathering information to make sure that the numbers that we come up with are correct. Uh we worked with AJ and developed a 10-year wastewater um CIP that is how much money are we going to have to spend in the next 10 years for

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the wastewater system. We are working on identifying uh funding support and SRF opportunities to see if we can augment uh costs that go to the residents. um the narrowing on actual costs. There

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a couple of things that we don't have identified yet. I'm going to get to that in the next slide. And the goal is to bring a recommended um rate study analysis to council in September of 2026. So, the reason we don't have it done

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today is because we are still working on SRF funding opportunities and grant funding opportunities. We want to get those identified. And the other thing, like I mentioned to you, is we still don't have firm costs on what's going to happen with the bidding of the inline

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booster station. And we also don't know what's going to come out of the report. >> Please silence your phones, please. That's the fourth time. So, so by the end of June, we'll know. Right

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now, we're projecting the cost to be $6.25 million for the inline booster station. We'll have a firm cost on that in June. Um the cost for the conveyance force man. We'll have a good handle on that once we

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start getting a draft of um the u uh conveyance force main report from from uh the smart ball, right? So we'll know better. We we are plugging plug costs in for those right now, but

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we want to get the firm cost set. And as you'll recall from our last meeting, we talked about some shared costs with Keargo. They're also bidding some of their work within this time frame. So, we should have some really good costs by

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the time this gets to the to the village council. Um, I labeled this slide estimated cost to comply with the FT consent order. I don't want it to seem like these are punitive costs because they're not.

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These are costs that you would have incurred um if you never got the consent order because these would have been done regardless of of anything because you needed to put the inline booster station in anyway. So the consent order was just

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saying hurry up a little bit and that's all I have. Did So I got a question. Did Did you When we started down this road, did you anticipate the Raph Telus report that was really only a couple of years old uh

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when it was last done, did you anticipate that Ref Telis report to take as long as it's taking? I think the length of the RFellus report makes sense because I think you want to have the best information possible.

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And if they did it based on estimates, it could be very over or understated. And I think we're a couple of months away from having some pretty good numbers. >> You can ask Ron. I check on that every

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Monday and and ask that question of what's going on with the Rafalis report and Ron's answer to me is uh uh they're still working on it. Um there's been several times where Rafelis has asked for additional information needed some

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needed to know something else from us. Has the village given Raft Talis everything that they need in order uh in in order to complete their reporter? Are are we remiss in giving them something? >> No, I think the village has done a great job. I've been in every one of the

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meetings. I may have missed one. I'm not sure. But um we right now we can only give them estimates, right? And and we know Peter Rosasco is also looking at ways to come up with better SRF funding and grant opportunities.

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I don't think the village has done anything in delaying the development of this. I think it it truly is getting good information. If if if this information wasn't going to become

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available till like next year, then I would say you don't have a choice. You would probably have to get a rate analysis that gave you a range that's like this. And then the council would have to decide, do I want to go on the high side or do I want to go to the low side and then you would have to pick

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something in between and then you don't know if it's right. You have the opportunity to to take a breath for a couple of months and as that information comes in it will be better, more accurate. >> When are your bids due on the U on the

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>> the new >> the pump station? June June 17th. >> The bids are due in on June 17th. Yeah, we'll know the numbers June 17th >> and those bids are going to come with a strict timeline and a drop dead date and and and uh fines if the contractor is

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not completed in >> I believe we're working on that. Yeah, we have talked about that. Yes, I'd have to verify that. I haven't seen the paperwork, but we've talked about that. So what we would So my recommendation would be is that the village having a having a consent order that I

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believe is like $1,100 or $1,500 a day if construction's not done by December 31st. The way that liquidated damages are incurred is that you can't just put a number in a bid and says we want $10,000

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a day. You have to the village has to serotic probably clear it up but the village has to be able to prove that they are actually damaged by a certain cost. So so your damages are not just

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what the DP is going to find you but it's also Wade Trim's time for doing inspection your staff's time your your engineers time who designed it all of those people are still going to be involved. So all those costs have to be developed and put in as a liquidated

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damage. >> Okay. On your smart ball, you said you it it found 20ome anomalies or whatever. Um and you didn't know if it's a it could be a leak. It could just

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be air entrament in there or something. >> Does do we not know how much we're sending to Keargo? And does Kargo not know how much they're getting when they come? And >> No, we do. We know how much flow is going. We do. >> And is that is that telling you that we've got a leak somewhere or not? I

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mean, they're what we're giving them. >> No, these things are pretty well advanced. If you're getting a little bit of a leak, it's not going to be anything that's that's substantial where you're like, you know, discharging something that's going to violate some D permit. >> Okay. >> All right. This is just they're going to

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feel some kind of a pressure variance. This ball's going to go through and they're going to some for some reason the ball's going to >> poke to the side of the wall. Right. One of your presentations you said when what one of your goals was was where we were continuing to have those breaks, >> right? >> That you were going to check to see if

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the pipe >> if there was a something wrong with the joints or there was a cane. >> Good memory. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, >> did you find any of that >> in my slide? We're doing that joint inspection. We're just starting that now. We don't have that done yet. >> All right.

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>> But, so we're going to actually go out there and physically locate the joints. We're going to dig them up and look at them. >> Okay. Awesome. All right, council. Anything else for Tom? >> I really appreciate the report, Tom. >> Thank you.

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>> I Well, I also appreciate uh the detail of the report and that um we are moving ahead. It's when we put wastewater together years ago now, it took a very long time to get to a point that it

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looks like we were doing something. Um, and I think this is another one of those processes. It just takes a while for it to all fall in place, but you're showing us that we're making headway and I appreciate you. >> Thank you.

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>> Council, anything else for Tom? >> Nope. Tom, thank you very much. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Thanks for your patience. All right. Uh, we've got a discussion now on Angller's Reef parking. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh back in our

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September meeting, uh I received direction from the council to begin discussions with the Anglers Reef Property Association about some parking spaces, uh in front of that development on our rightway. Uh we've we had entered an agreement for them to proceed. So, we

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did have an agreement and it's called a license and use agreement. It's not a lease. It's non-exclusive. In other words, if it's done, it'll be open to anybody. It's not going to be restricted to any particular group of people. Uh there were some things in there that had some questions. There was a $25,000 cap,

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for example. Uh I've been in in contact and confirmed that all expenses will be paid by the association that the village is on the hook for zero. Uh the reason I was put there originally was because they didn't know what we would accept or require and they don't want to have an

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open-ended obligation. Now that they know what we'll approve, uh they are willing to say they're willing to do the entire amount themselves. I want to make it clear that at this point I've been asked if this is a done deal. Technically it's not a done deal. I still have to sign on behalf of the

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village uh the permits etc. So there's still some things to be done but I was asked you know whether the council still wants to proceed and that's kind of why I want to bring it up for discussion because until I'm told otherwise uh it's my understanding that the council did want to proceed with this. We're at the

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point now where it's a yes or no. Uh my understanding is it's still a yes, but just to be clear because I did say back in September that I would bring it back to council, I felt like even though it's eight months later, um it it's probably time to do it because we are ready uh to proceed to the point where our staff

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needs to know is this a go or not so that we can either approve plans or not. We are satisfied with the plans. We made sure it's not encroaching on DOT right away. Made sure the landscaping, etc. meets all of our code requirements and it does. So, at this point, I I want to give that update, but also to say that

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uh you know, if if for some reason the council changed their mind, which I haven't heard, then we still had time to do something. But unless I hear otherwise tonight, I'm assuming that we're proceeding. >> Very good. >> Yeah. >> Well, I'm part of what drove this to

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this discussion tonight, so I guess I've got to speak up. Um, I thought that it was coming back to council long before now and I thought it'd come back before the agreement would been signed and the agreement's been signed for two or three months now.

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Um, I didn't understand that the agreement had to be signed before a site plan uh was approved. I didn't know that the psych plan had been um passed through staff and it was on a um

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um appeals period. Um I'm I don't know how we normally publish that. This this one was a little bit more controversial than some of them that we've had in the past.

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um the fact that it's changed since the original conversation and it's no longer uh exclusively uh Angller's Reef. uh the the fact that they're picking up all of the

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expenses. Um although I would have liked it spelled out in the agreement that if it goes over what's happening to of the 25. Now I know that verbally they have said that if it goes over 25 that as

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long as it's not unreasonable that they would pick up the bill. If I was their attorney, I'd tell them, "No, you agreed to 25. That's it." But I don't know what happens if it goes over. I don't think it will from what I see, what I hear.

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Um, so I just wasn't overly pleased with the process of how we got there because I thought it was coming back to the council months ago.

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One, excuse me. One response would be that I did get in writing because I thought it'd be helpful tonight. Uh, it says you are correct. I I asked the question that why if the spending cap was exceeded that it's in the agreement. I want to make it clear that the village had zero responsibility and the response

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was you are correct. The village has zero obligation to pay anything for improvements. It provides an escape valve if costs have gotten out of hand and the angry decided it was too expensive to move forward. Now that we have the plans and we know what it will cost and others we weren't going to require certain things that could have been very expensive. Now that they know

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that they have agreed in writing that they're responsible for 100% and we have zero obligation. And then also if down the road, I know we've talked individually with you about having a paid parking app eventually that if it if we do do that down the road, we can

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then convert this just to an ordinary paid parking application that's already been paid for by an other party that's going to be ready to have parking. And so, yeah, it's almost like a pilot project to see what these parking spaces might look like if in other areas we

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want to do this. But once again, because you it was eight months ago, but it's still not approved. In other words, I still have to sign certain things. So, it's technically not done, but we couldn't get to this point without having done what we already did. They're not going to spend a lot of money on plans, etc. if they didn't have some

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type of agreement in place. The agreement governs this, but um there's still some things that need to be done. >> So, technically, you're right. Technically, it's not done until they have a permit in hand. But once we've done an agreement, it's pretty much

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done. I I not being a lawyer would say that she you know, you don't make an agreement that you're going to do something and then oh, by the way, we're not going to give you the permit. So, it's it's it's for all intensive

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purposes done. Now, the fact that it had been rearranged and redised and redone and it's now open to the public, there's there's things that would have made me a lot happier and not spent a

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lot of time in the last couple months um fussing over if I'd known that. Anna. >> Um I thought we were very clear from the beginning. It was non-exclusive and they are paying 100%. So

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>> I did too, John. >> I did too. >> I'm sorry. Vice Mayor. >> No, I did too. Just >> say on the um on the 25,000 that you know, one thing I've talked to Ron about, there's a couple options if it were to go over. There's an addend, you know, we can we can do an addendum or an amendment to uh to address that. or

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obviously if if it went over and Anglr's Leaf said we're not going to pay for anymore, um the village retains the right to terminate the agreement if it wants or or make the decision of, you know, we we would pay for it. But as I understand from Ron, um they've they

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have indicated that if if we get to that point that they would they would um pay for it. So, we could just do a simple we could do an addendum or an amendment to it to to address that. >> Thank you, Vice Mayor. this I I never was confused from the beginning. It was

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open to the public from they said they would pay for it. So I don't know what the confusion is and I apologize if you're conf you were confused. >> Well um so this is just a discussion. Are we going to move this on or yeah

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hopefully it's uh Steve >> um I I I wasn't part of that uh consensus in in moving forward with the the agreement. I I still stand that way. I think we have a comp plan that we're working on where we have guidelines where we could possibly keep that green

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space, make it a bike trail, golf cart trail. I think that would be prohibitive if we put parking there. So, uh uh I'm just really not in favor of the project. >> Well, then should we vote? >> Well, yeah, we probably might need to here in a minute so that we've got clear consensus. M Vice Mayor, you're you're

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right. >> Okay. I I uh um look I drive up and down this road every day and we all do and we see all over the place parking willy-nilly in the right

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away hopping hopping the bike path and parking on the on the inside of the bike path and and somehow eventually we're going to have to as a city get control of our parking. I think this is the first step in in being able to get

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control of our parking. I think it's a first step at at having another revenue source for the village as far as making sure that we've got controlled parking that it's in the right spot that

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we we for this particular one it and for all of the others and and so that we even comply with the code. We all agreed to change the code to where we could angle back into the old road. Um we

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violated our we the village somebody in staff or the council in the past violated our own code and put angle parking uh in the arts district against even what our code said. So Jennifer was was good at staying on top of that and

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us changing the code and getting ourselves to where we're actually complying. I think that it's we I I always was under the impression, in fact, I I wrote a code probably 20 years ago that would have required a

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business that was expanding that couldn't have parking to find a spot to put in paid parking for on a villages right away so that they had parking. And I I I envision that all we're going to

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end up doing is helping the residents, helping the, you know, our sheriff's office, uh, and and helping the businesses have a an outlet on these postage size stamp lots to be able to

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have some controlled parking rather than seeing uh a a semi truck parked on the side of the road on Windley key for months at a time. Now, we'll have some actual controlled parking in this town that

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that we can police, that we can monitor, and we can probably charge for. I always thought this was the intent of of what was going on there, and and these folks are willing to pay for that, which is which is a I think something great. So,

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um go on, Dean. >> I just have one more. Well, it's it's along that same thing is that we need control on it. And I've asked about what is prohibited in the way of vehicles and they said, "Well, it'll be the same as before. If it's not posted, if it's not

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listed somewhere, then it doesn't exist and we all know that how it can get out of hand." So going forward, uh there there needs to be appropriate signing or appropriate enforcement, whether that's through our code enforcement, whether

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they hire somebody, um whatever it's it's public access. Um there there needs to be uh restrictions on what vehicles and can you know and are we going to I

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don't think we did right in there are we going to require backing in there was a suggestion of backing in uh because of safety reasons um >> we changed the code to allow >> head in and backing into the old road

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and it code specific specifically says you can back into the old road or I think it was an area of a speed limit of 30 mph or less or something or how was it written? >> Yeah, I think it was I think was as long as it was >> any village own we had municipal use.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Y but there just needs to be some limitations on it. That's >> all right. So do we want to vote or do we want just a a consensus? Do you want to vote on this? >> Misunderstanding.

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>> So, okay. Well, then does somebody want to make a motion to >> I'll make a motion to approve and move forward, please. >> Is there a second? >> I'll second it. It's motion toward >> move forward. It's completely on them.

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It's all exclusive. >> So, I I feel like we're going to move forward with the agreement. Excuse me. >> I was just wasn't spe specific on what we're moving forward with. >> That's all >> with the agreement. the agreement. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No. >> Well, that's why I was put trying to put

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it in there that it was it's not exclusive. It's not there's no trailer parking. It's only vehicles and they're paying for everything, >> right? Okay. So, Mary, I think we need to call the role because I I feel like there's >> So, I have a question. >> A couple of people want to go on the record is unknown. So,

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>> I have a question about her motion because she just said no trailer parking is only vehicles. I don't think that that's in the agreement. They've already made the agreement to take the trailers to esteem Marine. >> It's not in the agreement that he signed. >> The um it's it talks about at least I'm

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looking at the first wares. It talks about for cars and light trucks. >> Yes. For park. >> Okay. >> So, it's specific on what can park there. Yes. >> Semi can't park there. Very good. And trailers can't park there. >> Yes. >> Right. Okay. So, there's a motion and a second. Marne, will you call?

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>> We do have someone who would like you're jumping ahead of me. I said we do have someone who would like to make public comment. >> That's fine. Let's do that. Let's have public comment. That's fine. >> Well, we'll start with uh Ken Thomas and then anybody else who wants to go after

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that. >> Thank you. I'm Ken Thomas. Um I appreciate your deliberation on this issue. It's about our character and our future. It's about us not becoming Miami where the officials repeatedly cave to

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developers and special interests. What they did over there, they moved west into the Everglades. Paving over our green rightway, that's our rideway, is the beginning of the end. Sun outdoors is probably waiting to submit an application. Others will follow, keeping

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land use lawyers busy for years. I understand you want to help Anglr's Reef, but the village is already bent over backwards helping them. First, we gave them 52 units. They should have had no more than 47. Second, we gave them a 600 ft by 17 ft rightway in front of

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their property to expand and build a privacy wall. Third, as you mentioned, we gave them an ordinance to allow backup parking. Fourth, we planted vegetation all along the Windley Key rideway, but we left a conspicuous gap to accommodate them in front of Anglr's

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Reef as if to invite them to park. And now we're giving away more rightway through a purchase lease or what is cleverly called public parking. If they need more than two spaces per unit, they can valet park. They can buy or lease adjacent property. They have

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alternatives. What they cannot do is use public property primarily for private benefit. Regardless of what you call it, it would violate our constitution, attorney general opinions, and established case law. You should know Attorney General Umer is well aware of

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this situation. Not if, but when there is a legal challenge, any judge will see through what the WHO called an eminence front of public parking, a put on, declaring it illegal and ordering it returned to

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taxpayers. If you pulled registered builders, I'm confident everyone would vote against it for special favors except for the few Anglers Reef residents, their representatives, and any council members supporting them. The charter review

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committee recommended super majority four or five votes for change of use of public property like our rightaway to something other than recreation, conservation or park use. Repeat something other than recreation, conservation or park use. Not parking

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but park use. I can't imagine four council members being remembered for paving over Alam Marada for special interests. Why is this being rushed tonight? simply because they cannot get four votes. You cannot get four votes.

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If the CRC attorney, the chair is also the HOA attorney, he should agree to give him four votes. Why don't we get four votes for Anglr's Reef Parking? Why don't we defer to the decision to November when we get the charter review? It requires a super majority. Please

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keep Alam Marada green. This is not Miami. Thank you. Thank you. Um Marne, is there another speaker? >> Um I don't have anyone signed up, but since we've opened it, we should open it to whoever's in the audience who would like to speak. >> Uh is there anyone else would like to

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speak? Sue, please come up. I got a question while we're um while Sue is coming up. Um Jennifer, was there was that property posted when when the approval was uh was being sought?

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Um, when we issued a notice of intent to approve, we did post the property, physically post the property, and we did send the notice of intent to improve to all of the uh, neighbors within 300 ft of the property lines, which I think was somewhere in the multiple hundreds of people. >> How many signs were out there while it

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was posted? Were you intent to approve? >> I at least two. >> At least two signs. And were there any appeals that were issued at that point? Uh we received one request for an appeal, but then when they um the cost for the appeal was uh received to the person, they withdrew their request to

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appeal. >> What's the cost for that appeal? >> Off the top of my head, it's somewhere around >> 2,300 22,000 >> somewhere in that >> something in that area. >> So the it was posted, it was publicly noticed, and within 300 ft

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>> every resident within 300 ft was noticed of that. >> That's correct. And you had one phone call, >> an email, >> one email. >> Okay. Thank you. Go on, Sue. Lower representing the mic.

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>> Thank you. There you go, Sue. Thank you, >> Sue Miller, Lower Madakumbi, representing the Is Marada Community Alliance. The problem that I have with this is the fact that there is a license agreement that was never brought before

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the council and and that is the type of document that you should be approving and it was signed by the manager, the clerk and the attorney with no dates

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and it never came before you for your view. There's some issues with that document in my opinion. The fact that it talks about a $25,000 limit, but doesn't tell what will happen if that limit is

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reached halfway through the construction or whenever. 25,000 is not at all what you had projected when we first started talking about this. And I I personally have a problem with angled parking

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um on a street as busy as the old highway on Windley Key where we have people that that leave US1, go up the old highway hoping to leapfrog over the congested traffic and they're not

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sticking with the with the um speed limit. They're they're trying to beat the cars that are Oh, I'm sorry. Um, and in addition, we have a plan, a future plan to replace

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the Snake Creek drawbridge. And when we replace the Snake Creek draw bridge during construction, which could take a long time, we're going to have to use the old highway as a primary way of

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of bypassing the bridge under construction. and and I think that that we're making a big mistake by um not looking forward.

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I I think that if you look at construction requirements for parking, we have clear sight triangles. There's no such thing as a clear sight triangle. And when you have that angled parking,

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think about pulling into an angled parking space at Publix when you have a big old pickup truck right next to you and you're trying to back out and you can't see the cars coming um down the

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drive area. And so you're backing out hoping, keeping your fingers crossed that you're not going to back into somebody that's coming the other direction. You have no idea when there's a truck next to you. It doesn't have to be a big um 18-wheeler. Just a plain old

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pickup truck is hard for you to back into um the the driveway. And I just think it's a big mistake to do this at a place where where yes, it's going to be

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open to the general public, but who among the general public is going to use it? It's going to be the property owners that live there, the vacation rentals there. I believe we were told that of

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the units there, 42 of them or 48 of 52 are vacation rentals and and that the vacation rentals need the extra parking because they bring more than one person. It's expensive to rent a vacation rental

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in this town. So, you fill up every bedroom with a different family and you need more parking because it's a vacation rental. I just think that that there are so many parking issues on the old highway all through Alam Marada that

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this is a strange one to start with. There's there's plenty of them that are interfering with the bikers and the pedestrians at places that we could do something about a place that has a

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better reason than this one. Thank you. Cheryl Culbert's implantation key. I said this before when this first came up and I'll say it again. Just say no. There does not need to be private parking on public land. Period. That was used as you well. Everybody that's lived

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here more than 10 years knows that the people that lived along there have had parked their extra cars out there. They've had everything that needed to do. But when they built Angller's Reef, it became absurd because they built four too many units that they could have utilized for parking and they did not because they were too cheap. They were offered the land next door at Stan

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Hayden's property to purchase land from them and they only wanted to give him $10,000. No. Just say no. If you're going to start with a public parking project, start downtown at the Allen Silver and Spice property. Yes, Joe, Plantation Key. I guess one of my biggest concerns with this is the way

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it's gone about. It came before the council. Uh, we had the one discussion. Next thing you know, there's public notice signs and when I go to look at it, it says, "Well, this is and when I talk to Jennifer about it, it's

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like, well, that's because I intend to approve it already, so that's why it's now in the appeal stage." Well, we didn't even get a chance to speak on it. It just bypassed everything. bypassed the council, bypassed everybody who was

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involved in making an agreement when it should have come before the public much before this. As I've stated before, this is going to open up a whole big can of worms for all kinds of businesses up

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and down the old road. Now, you remember at even up there in Keargo, they theuh FDOT took away a lot of parking from some of these restaurants and made them put landscaping in because they said, "Nope, that's the rightway. It's not

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going to be used for parking." Yet, here you are letting these millionaires basically because of their poor planning, you are trying to make their lives easier. if it's all because of vacation rentals. Yeah, like I say,

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they're just trying to put too many people in there and you go down there now. I was I was just down there the other day and I saw some trailers in front of the vacation homes that you guys approved that said, "Oh, they had plenty of parking. Those are the Mark Greg houses, his daughter's houses.

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There was boat trailers all out in front of that." But at the time, oh, yeah, no, they had plenty of parking. Parking is is an issue. It always has been an issue, but I don't think that you should use taxpayer dollars to help them out. Thank you. Uh, like I said, for

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mitigation, who's paying for all the attorneys fees and all the staff time and all to get this done? That's us, the taxpayers. Thank you. >> Thank you, Joe. Anyone else like to speak? >> Good evening. Ty Harris with the law

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firm of Ty Harris, PA, uh, Plantation Key. I represent the Anglr's Reef Homeowners Association, but I'm not their HOA attorney. Uh, it is also not completely full of vacation rentals unlike the testimony you were given. A

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lot of the people live here and if you remember the testimony that you've heard in previous meetings, uh the homeowners uh association president came here and talked about when all the when the families come in for Fourth of July and for the big holidays, everybody's coming

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from somewhere else and that's really been the cause of the problems. It's on the the large weekends when families come into town and it's never easy to start a a new thing and this is the there's some

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growing pains with this being the first one and it's the first one frankly because I have a client that's willing to foot the bill to do it. Uh you don't hear Coral Reef Restoration parked all the way down uh the rightway coming out

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here to talk about, hey, we love to have some metered parking and we'd pay for improvements. You don't hear that from anybody else. This is the first group that's come and asked. Um, I also think it's interesting because if you were to go online right now, we actually have a

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a right-of-way use permit on on our website that can be executed by the public works director. The reason this is here is because this is a really about a policy issue. You know, how are we going to manage parking going into the future? So, in my mind, I think

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we've we've beat this horse to death. Um, we've given it as much public public air as it can possibly take. I appreciate that people have concerns and uh about how the process was done, but I

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think the process going forward is going to get a lot better after this one because now we we have a little bit of a road map that folks can follow. Uh, with that, I'm here to answer any questions and I've appreciate your time. >> Thank you.

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>> Is there anyone else like to speak? >> Welcome. >> Hi. Uh, my name is That. I'm new to the area and I don't know much about the issue, but I do know one thing that nobody's willing to do something for free typically unless they have a an ulterior interest. and I've traveled

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around the United States. And one thing I particularly appreciate about this area is that it's accessible in some ways with parking. My wife and I were from the Midwest. We moved down here recently and nothing drives us. It makes it feel like an unholy place. Then you

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can't park here, you can't be here, or paid parking. Uh privatized parking, anything like that is really off-putting. If you drive around Rhode Island in the Northeast, you're allowed pretty much anywhere. It's super welcoming. If you drive around

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Connecticut, it's a bunch of wealthy people and businesses signs saying, "Get out. You're not welcome here." And I think it's really a question of what kind of place do we want this to be, and I'm newer, so I don't really have an opinion on this formalized issue, but I do want to note that when private interest is willing to pay, there's a

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reason. And is it aligned with the the core values of of the town and community we want to create? Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? >> Okay, council. Any discussion? You want to talk? Nope. Nope.

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>> Okay. I think there's a motion and and a second on the table. Marne, will you please call? >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney? >> Yes. >> Council member Anna Richards, >> yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman, >> no. >> Council member Deb Gillis,

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>> no. and Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. >> Okay. That motion to this is not the hot seat. It's it is we have got to control this parking. We years ago there was a council that that allowed a a business to jump the curb and just fill the fill

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the parking spot on the rightway that backs right onto the old road and just said, "Yeah, go for it." And there has got to be some control in the parking. The young man that just moved here doesn't remember Winley Key when it was

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littered with boat trailers and and semitrs from people that were just parking there. They weren't parked in any uniform manner. They were willy-nilly all over the place and it looked like a storage facility. And

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there there comes a time when when we've got to recognize that we've got postage size tamps, postage size tamp pieces of property that we've got to get some control over the parking or you're not going to worry about backing into at an angle of a

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controlled parking. You're just going to be worried about, you know, somebody backing in because they didn't park in some controlled manner. So um let's move on to the next thing please. >> I just we're just want to add one short

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phrase is that I'm not against controlled parking. I am this is not just about that. It was about the process. >> Y uh um now we're going to open it up to general public comment. >> Mr. Mayor, can I just before we get to

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that, can I add something that came um some something that uh came to light uh at the end of last week? I wasn't able to get it on the agenda. >> Oh, >> yes. Your a judges hearing or judges. Okay, go for it. >> Yeah, and I'll be brief. I know. >> That's fine. >> Yeah, I realize we're getting late, but

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I just wanted to provide an update on the uh Yates matter. Um, if you recall, former uh manager Ted Yates had filed lawsuit against the village um related to the non-renewal of his contract. Um, and uh uh he filed a claim based on two

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counts. The first count is um was an allegation. It's a declaratory judgment allegation that um former council member Rosenthal had a uh ethics um uh voting conflict and he should have been disqualified from voting on that. The

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second count is what is an allegation of a breach of contract. Um the judge heard the second count first. The breach of contract uh we this was on a motion for summary judgement. Uh the judge ruled in favor of the village uh on two counts. Uh first he ruled that uh

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notwithstanding um the uh attorney's arguments for Mr. Yates that this was a termination. Uh the judge ruled that it was a non-renewal and that it was properly done. Uh second, the judge also ruled that even if it were a termination without cause that severance would still

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not be uh be due and owed to uh to Mr. Yates. On the second count, um the the judge ultimately, this was the count related to um uh whether Mr. Rosenthal uh should have been voting on that. Uh what the judge ruled is that as a result

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of council member Rosenthal's stipulation with the state um on his ethics violation that that created an issue of fact and as a result he could not rule on summary judgment on that issue. So what that means, it doesn't mean that he ruled against the village

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or he ruled in favor of Mr. Yates. What it means is we need to proceed on that issue. Um and he scheduled a special set trial for mid-occtober. And uh and so we will proceed um uh towards trial on that issue uh related to uh again this had to

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do with um it came out after the fact. This wasn't an issue that that we were aware of at the time of the voting. came out after the fact that um Council Member Rosenthal had a financial interest in in what was formerly the Island Christian Church property which actually the village owns now and Mr.

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Gates has alleged that um as a result of the termination of Mr. Glesio and he he ties it ties it into that that he should have been required to recuse himself. Um and uh so we will proceed to obviously defend the village on that claim and uh

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and move forward. But uh so that case will be moving forward to trial in October. But we have good news on the breach of contract claim uh that um the judge verbally ruled that uh that we acted properly um the village proceeded properly and that no severance would be due in any event. So, I just wanted to

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give you all guys you all an update on that. >> Steve, >> uh, John, I thought that there was a trial date set, um, pretty much 30 days after the the hearing. I understand schedules changed, but why exactly did that move from what I thought was going to be late May to October,

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>> the judge moved it. Actually, it it was not a request of either party. It was done by the judge. Um, and uh, we were it's there was no So, we were on what's called a a trial docket. So in at least in the state of Florida, I don't know how litigation works in other states, but at least in the state of Florida,

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they have a docket where you have, you know, a dozen or two dozen cases on that docket and it's a two or three week period and you're ranked based on order of, you know, the the oldest is first and then the newest is last and you'll just kind of proceed and you may make

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that docket, you may not. what he did for whatever reason he placed us on a special set which means we are absolutely going uh in mid-occtober that so we are the one and only case for those two dates that he picked I think it's October 14th and 15th I think were

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the dates but he didn't give a reason as to why um why he he moved it or we call it rolled it uh but at least it gives us some um some knowledge that we know when we're going to be going um as opposed to just kind guessing and it it's always

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frustrating as a litigator to go and then you don't make the trial docket and you get rolled to the next one. So, um I don't know why, but at least we have a set a date set in stone. >> Thank you. One else. Okay.

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>> Thank you, John. >> And that and that was it. And sorry, I just wasn't able to make the agenda because the the ruling came out uh the judge ruled at the uh like middle to end of last week. So >> So it still goes on. We still we still have to there's no more requirement for

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us to meet in executive session to come up with a settlement or anything. This is simply the judge needs to hear whether Henry should have recused himself from voting or not at >> correct and then if so what the result would be if uh if he rules otherwise

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>> and the result would be hurtful if if if >> if Henry should have recused himself at that point >> potentially. Yes. >> Yeah. >> I mean we have some defenses that we will raise but it uh it would complicate things. Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you.

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All right. Uh, Marne, we're going to open it up to public comment now. Is there any public comment? >> Yes, sir. First off is can uh Tony Hammond. >> Tony, thanks for your patience. Oh, not a problem. And uh I should be brief. uh when the uh Alamada Village students

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were here just a few minutes ago, I guess a couple hours ago now, uh it made me think and then Steve's comment made me think about uh we need to be grateful for our schools, uh for the kids we have. It it's pretty

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phenomenal and uh right now we have a a football program going. Coach Holly's influence is just off the charts and I I can't commend him enough for that. Um, and with that said, as a guy that's been in education in Monroe County my whole

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life, uh, I just want to encourage you to continue to move the baseball field project forward. Don't let it die. Uh, we've had too many council members in too many sessions where it's just gone by the wayside. Please, I know you voted uh, unanimously in favor of moving the

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project forward. Please allow our village manager and attorneys to negotiate with the school board. They're very close to negotiating and being in agreement to put the field in, not not the entire complex and and we potentially could have that done by next

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year if we would if we would get moving on it. Uh I don't want to lose another student, another child, another ball player to Key West or any place else because a parent's afraid their children are getting hurt on our field. You know, we have too many kids involved in in the

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ball programs and athletic programs down here to just let this die. So, um, please, I believe all of you are in favor of that, but please continue to be behind, um, Ron and and and our village attorney to make this happen. Appreciate it. Thanks. >> Thank you, Tony.

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>> Barney. Next. >> Next is Joe Wishmire. >> Yes. Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. Mayor and council, I feel like it's Groundhog Day again. Just like last month, you have canceled Thursday's land use council meeting and added its quasi judicial hearings and other land use

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issues to Tuesday's meeting. Here it is almost 8:00 and we're just getting around to public comment. Now, again, I reiterate that Tuesday's meetings are for items affecting our community and Thursdays are for land use items. Several items that I mentioned last

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month did make the agenda this month like the FDOT landscaping contract, Wley Cove parking. Many more items are to be discussed like baseball field, edu counts, wastewater, just to name a few.

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Then I had something about Angller's Reef, which we don't need to talk about now. Regarding village owned property, what do you think the taxpayers would say if you told them, "We're going to buy all this property, spend millions and millions of your hard-earned money

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to buy it, and then we're just going to give it away." Like, do you think that the residents would be happy with that? Wouldn't it make more sense if you're just going to have building done on it to get a contractor to build our own homes, manage them, and actually make

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money like Wetnet, Machado, and Habitat Homes, just to name a few, that we just give away the property. Now, you may actually even give a property away to a forprofit company. The residents of Isa Marada deserve to

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have council members better handle our tax dollars more responsibly. What's next? The church property, Island Silver and Spice. Next, we have the landscaping contract with FDOT. I wish this item would be pulled from the consent agenda

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so more discussion could be had. $65,000. Oh, no, wait. Now it's up to $75,000 to maintain 18 miles of rideaway. Seems ridiculous. I will talk more about this after the consent agenda. Last, I would

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like to discuss the information or lack of in the current status update. I appreciate Sharon Mahoney bringing that up. Uh I think that what if you look at the opening statement on the last one that we had that came out it is all

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self-explanatory. Items are to be added to this report per direction of a majority of the village council provided during meetings of the village council. That answers the question that came up earlier. The purpose of this report is to document

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and track village council direction to the village manager and subsequently staff provided at public meetings. On that it says what the date is, what the actions were, what the direction is, and what the next steps are. That's why

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it's so much more informative than that thing that's put out now. So we'd certainly appreciate if you came back to help us and give us more information. Thank you. >> Thanks, Joe. Right on time. >> Good job, Joe.

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>> Next is Jamie Engel. >> Welcome, Jamie. >> Okay, let's see how quick I can read this. >> Three whole minutes. Come on. >> Okay, I agree with Tony Hammond. First of all, I do think that we need to move forward with the baseball field, the

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license agreement. And I want to remind you that we could have already been under contract and had an agreement had the school board just signed the January 8th addendum. So that's the beginning. In January, the council unanimously approved the village's version of the baseball field license agreement. In

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March, the council again gave clear direction that the village was sticking with the original agreement with no changes being discussed or agreed upon. That was the direction. That was the vote. That was the public action taken by the full council. So my question is why is there now an amendment to an

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agreement that has not even been signed yet, especially when the council already voted unanimously two times to stand by the January approved version not once but twice. Village manager Saunders, with all due respect, I do not understand why a new version or

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amendment is being discussed when the council's only public direction was to stand firm on the version already approved. The council did not direct staff to renegotiate the agreement. The council did not direct staff to bring back concessions. The council did not direct staff to weaken the vill's

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position. I'm also concerned that the mayor and the village manager asked the village attorney to prepare an addendum or revised language that goes against the direction already given unanimously by the council and it was done without public discussion and without direction from the full council. Even more

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concerning, the amendment that was provided to the school district was not an amendment the village council reviewed, discussed, or approved. It was an amendment requested by the mayor and the village manager. Yet, in the memorandum and review of that amendment provided to the superintendent and the

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school board members by the schoolboard attorney, it was described as a quote response to the villages proposed amendments to the license agreement end quote. That statement is not accurate. There there were not the villages this was not the vill's proposed amendments.

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They were not reviewed by the village council. They were not discussed by the village council. They were not approved by the village council in a public forum. Calling them the vill's proposed amendments is misleading to the public, to the school board, and to anyone trying to understand the true history of

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this agreement. Nothing was brought up at the April meeting that changed the council's dis direction. the public was not given a clear opportunity to hear that the vill's position or the mayor's position for that matter was changing in um or the new terms were being prepared.

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That's a serious transparency issue. I'm also concerned about conversations taking place outside of formal public meetings. Village business should be handled as village business. Discussions with the superintendent, schoolboard members, or other parties about the agreement should not be taking place

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casually at baseball games, chamber lunches, or social settings in a way that bypass the council and the public. There's a difference between personal conversation and public business. This is public business. Founders Park belongs to the residents. This agreement affects the residents. The process

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should be open, transparent, and based on the direction given by the full council in public. I respectfully ask the council to reject any lastminute changes, stand by the January approved agreement, and require that any future discussion of this matter be placed on a

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properly noticed agenda with enough time for the public to review, understand, and comment before any action is taken. Thank you. >> Thank you, Jamie. >> Next up is Elizabeth Jolan. >> Elizabeth, I think she left.

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Okay, then next up would be Sue Miller. I'll watch the button. Sue Miller, Lower Madakumbi, representing the Island Marada Community Alliance. First of all, I would like to make a comment about baseball. I have a grandson who loves

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baseball with all his heart and soul. And I think that every child that works as hard as those kids do to practice, to show up, and to play their hearts out deserve the very finest field. And it's

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really a shame that you and the school board can't sit in a room and work this out. It is just tragic to me that it has taken all this time and you haven't haven't made a diddly squat of progress

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that's not showing the kids how to negotiate. Um I wanted to comment about wastewater. I was glad to hear um what the status of wastewater is. Um, just for your information,

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um, E1, the grinder pump people were at my house today installing a trial monitor system for my grinder pump. Thank you for making me the most vocal wastewater wastewater critic in the village, the sample property owner to

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demonstrate how problem detection can be improved. I really appreciate it. I also want to say that it was really encouraging to hear from our engineer about the status of our um issue with

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getting our wastewater to Keargo. I have been reading the RFP or RFQ, whatever it is that got put out uh recently to find a contractor

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and the process that you're going through, you know, with the mandatory attendance so that they all know what they're up against before uh the selection is made. The selection committee

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is the issue that I'm concerned about. Um, we have a process for purchasing in Alam Marada that says that the staff must be the selection committee. I don't

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know how our staff could have the qualities, the expertise, and the ability to select a contractor as well as the engineer who stood before this

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microphone who is not a member of our staff. I think that it's very clear that we need a modification to that agreement that you the manual that you have on purchasing to allow the real experts to

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make decisions when it comes to selection processes. We select um staff members for transportation issues. we for all kinds of construction issues that they're not the experts that are

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going to have to judge experts. And I think that that we have so many really smart people in our community that should be allowed to help. We have committees that we appoint to get help,

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advisory committees. I think that there are lots of brilliant people in this community when it comes to um finances, engineers. We have when we approved the original um wastewater project. We had

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two wastewater engineers that were residents of Alam Marada that helped tremendously. I think that that we should change that role about selection committees. I want to thank the charter review committee. I think that they did

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a great job. Um I think it was sad that we didn't have more input from the entire community. I think that one of the problems that I have with comp plan in my last 41 seconds, um the comp plan presentation

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at the um the last uh workshop was a little frustrating because it's a huge complex document and yet we we get sidetracked

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and and it was the first time I heard the words official comment period. We are now in a 30day official comment period. We need to let the public know what they're supposed to be doing to

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help. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Sue. >> There are no more speakers. >> No. No others. Is there anyone else that would like to speak in general public comment? Hearing none, general public comment is closed.

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>> I do want to address one thing and uh um I can't I can't make the schoolboard attorney um call a document what a document is or what a proposal is. Um, I still stick

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100% behind our 50 vote, but I still believe that there can be negotiation behind that 501 vote. I still felt like uh I was I I absolutely knew and it was very plain from the very beginning that

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any discussion I had with anyone cuz I can't have discussion with this council was not I was not representing the a council in any way. I was representing myself as somebody that wants to see

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that ball field get built. And that school board has been asked probably 10 times by us to have a joint meeting with us and they've refused to have one. But we are at a we're at a deadlock right now. They're saying no.

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And we're saying our way. We've got the right to say it's our way as as a council sitting here. 50. Um uh and but I still think that as a a citizen of Alamrada and uh and as one person that

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sits on that council, I can still for myself uh try to find out if there's a way, a path, a a method to be able to get us off a dead center. And I can't have that discussion with

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this council except at forums like tonight. Um, and we can't have that collectively with them cuz they refuse to meet. I'm not going to give up on Miss Bfield. I I I've talked to u a

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couple of different school board members individually uh all on my own, not representing that I'm talking for the council because as I've said four times up here and I'll say it four more times or 40 more times,

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we made a 50 vote and we're there. But if there is way to negotiate, if there's a way to find a way to get this ball field built for Sue's grandson, for my great granddaughters, uh, for any other kid that's going to

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that high school, there's got to be a way to open that door. And just standing here and saying we voted 50, we're not going to do anything else is not going to open that door. So, um, I I want it real plain to to you guys. I'm not

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negotiating on your behalf. I'm negotiating on my behalf to see if I can bring something to this council that we might be able to live with. And until then, we've got a 50 vote that says this is the way it's going to be. But god dang it, those people need to come to

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this table. They need to sit with us. They got to find a way that where we can communicate. And they don't want to. They want to run everything through their attorney. They want to run everything through their through their manager and they don't want to talk

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about it and we do. And so I I don't know any other way to get it off a dead center. And if if I'm I I know I'm not doing the wrong thing by going and talking to John Dick or to Sue Waltansky or to whoever else is going to listen

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just to try to get them off of dead center cuz I can't make them meet with us. But I can make them listen to me just like I listen to everybody that stands at that podium. They got to listen to me because I vote for them too and and that's the way I stand. So um

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Ron ju just as an update or clarification uh back in 24-05-39 was passed by the prior village council 2 years ago. Uh and I'm going to read part of it. It says the village uh

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basically I won't read it. the village delegated the authority to the manager and the school board delegated authority to the superintendent to negotiate on behalf of both bodies. Yep. >> That's still in effect. Uh whenever I've talked to the school district, I've always made it clear that anything that

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is negotiated must be approved in public by an official vote of the village council and the school board. So anything's back and forth have never been represented to be an official position that of the of the of the council. It's been a negotiation point to say where where are we? As an update,

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I think we all concede at this point, it's probably too late in the process, even if we reach an agreement tomorrow, to have that building built and all the structures around it. What I'm really looking at trying to do on behalf of the village is to say, is there a way we can get the field done uh without having to

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do everything else? And and basically uh it can be done before season if an agreement reached on the field. And to be clear, every discussion has been that the village, not the school board, has complete control over the field, the type of turf, etc. And that and they've

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agreed. It's just we can't get it in writing because we don't have an overall agreement. Our official position is the 50 vote from January. That has not changed. But their position is different. Until we have agreement on an agreement, well, there is no agreement. So, we can keep that 50 in effect for 5

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years, nothing's going to happen. My point is is that if we can get an agreement on the field, just the field and and it's in writing that we have complete control and and that that can be done under our we have to give permits for everything. They just can't go out and do something. We have to get

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permits issued. And so I I guess maybe for clarification cuz my authorities been questioned whether I should be talking to anybody. uh until I'm told otherwise. I I understand that I'm still authorized to negotiate on behalf of the village at least on the field. You know,

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like I said, we should have another public workshop. I've been advocating to have a workshop. I'm more than happy to get public input on the field cuz I don't think we have time to do the building and people are wondering what side the bathroom should be on or what kind of building. I think that's too late to be, you know, getting into that

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type of negotiation. But as to the field, it can be done probably three months or less. So, we have time on the field only to do it. But if if a majority of the council says we don't want you talking to the school board, I'm more than happy not to. I've been I've spent literally a year on this one

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project and it's very frustrating for all of us and all the hours. I want to compliment Jamie Engel and all and Captain Black was here. We had a five member task force that had numerous meetings, hours of discussion and thanks to them and members of the council, we did have a good agreement that was

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passed 50. it's not our fault. The school board didn't accept it and they had their reasons. But my point is if if y'all don't want us to continue negotiating uh on the field, then I'll just tell me that and I'll stop. But I don't want to keep you getting criticized for continue

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to negotiate when I think I still have the authority to do so. If somebody disagrees, I'm more than happy to follow the direction of the council. >> Deb, well, you have my authority. I'm one, but you have my authority to continue to

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negotiate. Negotiate doesn't mean that we give up everything. That negotiate means that I'm I'm, as Don was just saying, it's we're sitting on this wall and we need to fall off one way or the other. We need to give and I said this

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from the beginning. Yes, I I approve of that 50- vote that we did, but there's going to have to be some room for give. Not give up, just give. Um I will admit that um I've been talking to some of the

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schoolboard people and trying to figure out how to move this ahead because it is important to our kids. It is important to this community. Uh we have we have a class kids out there that deserve a good

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field. Um and we need we need to do this. So like I said, I all of us need to be doing what we can to move this forward. Um

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to just sit back and think that it'll come about the way it is. Um, I don't think so. And if we need to split it into two pieces, then we split it into two pieces, but we need to get it done.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you, Deb. >> Anna, >> yeah, I I haven't spoken to them individually in private, but I did go to their last public meeting at Coral Shores and spoke publicly there to the school board. I figure they won't come

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to us, so I will go to them. But I spoke to them as a resident, as a mom of boys who love baseball, grow up on baseball. We're still involved in baseball. You we out there, you know, helping with concessions now still. Um I don't know

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how to get them to move on, but I did beg and plead for them to do what's right for the kids at this point. That's, you know, that's what they need to do. And I don't understand what the issues are considering they spent I

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don't know how many millions upon millions of dollars in Key West on all of their fields and it's not right and it's not fair that the kids in the upper keys are not getting the same treatment as far as I'm concerned. >> Thanks Anna Steve.

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>> Yeah. Everything that I've heard from before I was on this side of the podium to that side of the podium is get the field done. >> Yep. >> So, if the sticking points are the buildings, then let's keep negotiating that down the line, but let's work on

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getting the field done um the right way. Uh because this is really going on too long. Everybody says that's what we need. Everything else we can talk about later on, but these kids need a field to play on and that's the bottom line. Thank you, Steve. Vice Mayor,

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>> half of me just wants to say skip me because I don't agree with half this stuff. You guys are all making it out like they're the reason, not us, them. All we want is to be able to say what we want and they're not willing to give it.

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So, we're all ready to make all these concessions. Do this, do that, do this. You can't stick a field out there without some form of agreement. And they're not willing to do anything. So, I don't understand what we're all

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supposed to do. And you can't just stick a field out there without knowing what happens if we get a hurricane and the field goes bye-bye. Who's going to replace it? I mean, that all those it's not just sticking a field out there. It's a much broader conversation and

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everybody seems to think we got to keep bending. We got to keep bending. It is them who refuse and that's the most irritating thing there is is that what is to stop them from sitting down and why can't they give us the community and

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the people who pay the taxes here the voice they should have on what we do and don't want. And I'm glad you clarified because it did look like you were speaking for the council. It did in your communications and I was not happy about that. Ron knows that. That's that's how

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it came off. And again, I just this is I'm just so sick of this subject. I'm sure everybody is. And the school board needs to realize we're ready to give and take. They need to give us what we should have in this

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community is the say of our property. So, I I don't know what you guys are going to do. So, Well, thank you, Vice Mayor. I I We're not going to get anywhere if we don't negotiate. We don't We're not going to get anywhere if we don't communicate. If they're not going to talk to us, we need

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to talk to them. And I encourage each one of you um to go in there and talk to them and and and and understand like I understand, you're only speaking for yourself. You're not speaking for the five. Because if one of them was to come

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back to me and say, "Yeah, we could live with that or we could deal with that." Then I'd be more than happy to call a special call meeting with Bells on and say, "Let's talk about it." They're willing to compromise some way or another. Um I I think Ron needs to

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continue to have a discussion with Mr. Tierney. I think that all of us need to have a discussion with with with anyone that's involved that that can get that school board. But unfortunately, they've made it they several of them have made

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it very plain to me that they solely want to be policy makers and they want to hand all of the negotiations over to their attorney and and their attorney for some reason

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uh doesn't understand the the the uh generational implications of a of a simple agreement. agreement that needs to be made and and it's not just it's not just an agreement between us and them. It's generational when this ball

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field gets done and and um yeah, I encourage everybody call your school board members. let them know that there's an election around a corner and that and that there has to be somebody that's going to take

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the ball by the horns and and and and uh um and get them to start talking to us in some way. I don't know any other way to do it. So, I'm not going to stop talking to them. I'm going to go there when I see them. I'm going to pull them aside when I see them on the road. If

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I'm going to see somebody at a chamber meeting or an Ocean Reef meeting or at a ball game, wherever it is, and I got a chance to be in their ear, I'm gonna continue doing that. And I'm going to continue to doing it. Speaking for me

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and hoping I can bring something back to this council said they're willing to bend. And I encourage I I I applaud Ronn for continuing to keep that discussion going cuz you're never going to get it done if you don't keep talking about it. We can we can sit

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back and say we voted 50 and we're vote but it you might as well tell the public we voted 50 and they're not doing anything and we're not ever having a ball field. And I guarantee you that $2 million for the ball field or that $6 million that they were going to do an

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improvement on there is going to go to Key West like it always had in the past. Once again, everything's going to happen in Key West. They're going to send all their money down there. And what did we pay for? We're watching it being sent there. So, uh I I'm I'm sorry we keep

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having this discussion. God dang it. It can't just stop until we get a ball field. We can't. We're gonna have to keep fighting a fight. Okay. >> Um I You know what? Is there any public comment for this type of Can we just make it short? But I think we deserve

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some somebody to say something besides us about it. I have one quick comment and that is I believe you're closer than you think you are because I think what they want to ensure is that we as a village are not going to do something stupid on a on a brand new ball field,

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you know, and I think we want to make sure that the school is not going to do something stupid on a brand new ball field. And we come to terms with those two things and say, "Yeah, we'll be responsible if we mess it up as a village. will be responsible um on the schoolboard side if the ball team does

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something crazy out there, which is that's not going to happen either way. Listen, this plan has worked since the beginning of the village, the founding of the village. We just, no pun intended, move the ball forward. Let's make it happen. >> Okay. Thank you, Tony. Jamie,

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>> and I'm doing two minutes. Just two quick minutes. My comments were not based on saying stop talking, stop negotiating, stop anything. That was not what I was talking about. So I apologize if there was a misunderstanding. My comments were based on the fact that I

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was given this amend amend amen addendum number one to the baseball field license agreement and then I was given the uh superintendent Ed Tierney from Hunro Connor and its members of the school board of Monroe County and the following

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is sent as a response to the village's proposed amendment to the license agreement. That was my comment and I think Ron was very aware that that's where I was going to be coming from and I hope you were too, Don. So, I was not saying don't stop talking. I'm saying

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there is an amendment that was written up by the attorney that someone directed him to write up that was not at the direction of the council that wasn't discussed by the council that wasn't out in the public. That was my comment. That's where I was

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coming from. I 100% agree and Ron and I have discussed this. We already said there's several things that we can give in that they should be able to give in on and we should be able to move forward. But you can't touch the field over there without a baseball field

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license agreement being signed. And that license agreement and the new proposed terms in this amendment from the village supposedly was giving the community one meeting. And if there were any changes that are according to the schoolboard

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attorney, their terms are if there's any changes made to those comments or anything that's in there, any of the plans, the village is going to have to pay for it, including the design fees and everything else. And we've already discussed the one design change that has

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already been made by the school district was $50,000 to the design team. So, there's a whole lot more. It's not putting the field down. Nobody's saying not to do that. I'm especially saying I put a year into this already and I think everybody knows

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that it's getting it right the first time. So my comments again if anybody wants to see there is an amendment that was written up that was sent to the school district. There is a a memo that is out that was given by the schoolboard attorney to the

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school board members to the superintendent and it's his points against this amendment to a baseball field license agreement that hasn't even been signed. That's my last word. >> Thank you, Jamie. >> Cheryl Culberterson, I will remind you

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of one thing before you talk about anything else. It must be ADA compliant. It still fails on that. And if you want to do this right, we build the ball field ourselves. It comes to our specifications because frankly from what I've seen of the school board as a tenant.

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I wouldn't rent to them anything period. They have done a very very poor job of managing anything. You want to do it. We build our own ball field. We make sure it's ADA compliant and then we let them know that they're going to have the use of it between January and May for their

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14 to 16 games. We control everything there and at the end of the season we say goodbye. And even if we do let them use him that they have to pay our staff to maintain the field so it's done properly because their maintenance of proper developed in what I would

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describe as the nonpristine field was handed over January 1st. Don't let the school board manage anything. Do it yourself. >> Thank you. Cheryl, is there anyone else like to speak? >> Okay.

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I I I I guess we're just going to say to be continued. Um John, can we move on to the consent agenda, please? >> Yes, we're into the consent portion of the agenda. These items are of a routine nature, and council members have reviewed these items in advance and sought the advice of staff as they felt

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necessary. There'll be one vote on the consent items, which today are tab are tabs 3 through 10. If anyone would like to pull an item from consent, he or she should state so now. All right, Deb, are you okay with consent agenda? >> I'm okay.

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>> Anybody want to pull anything? My >> hair on my head. >> Hey, besides the hair on your head. Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> I'll make a motion to approve the consent. >> I got a motion and a second. Do I have a second? >> Yeah, I'll second it.

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>> Okay, I got a motion in a second. Is there any objection? >> Okay. Hearing no objection. And the motion passes by consent. Oh, public comment. I'm so sorry, Joe. >> Public comment. >> We're just missing our public comments.

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>> I I'm I'm sorry, Joe. Right. >> Let's talk about the ball fields. >> No, no, I'm I'm tired of dealing with that. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. My main concern on this consent agenda, and I was hoping it would be pulled so for

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further discussion. And I mentioned it earlier, the FDOT contract. I remember that Ron Saunders pulled this a number of months ago because there was so much concern. It's $65,000. $65,000. >> I pulled it.

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>> He pulled it. >> Oh, you pul Okay. $65,000 to maintain 18 miles of rightway is nowhere near what it's costing the village. Keep in mind US1 also has two sides. So it's more than 18 miles. That

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would be like 36 miles. And when I was looking at it, it looked like there was only allotted like $18,000 for mowing. That's $1,000 a mile for the whole year. You you look at any of these people who get landscapers come

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work on their house, it doesn't come anywhere near the amount of money that we're spending. I say you ought to turn it back over to FDOT. That's the way it was before. >> Let them do it and if they do a deficient job, then we can step in and

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do something. It would be a lot less expensive. I know uh Manager Saunders said at one time he was going to get us some figures on how much we actually spend. Did I don't know if you ever came up with that number, but I guarantee it's got to be

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closer to 500,000 than it is to 75,000 on what we spend. That doesn't include any of the trimming of the trees and all the new trees that they've put in are going to need to be maintained. So, I wish that this was pulled and we would have more talk on it, but I

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thoroughly think we're getting the raw end of the deal here, only getting $75,000. Thank you. >> Thank you, Joe. >> Is there any other public comment? >> Yes, sir. Sue Miller. >> Sue,

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come on down. Stu Miller, lower Madakumbi. I just want to agree with what uh Joe Wisher just said. It seems to me that if you remember back many years ago when um

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DOT actually did do the mowing of the right of way, the village wasn't happy only having it mowed once a month and we thought it would be better. I'd like to know how many times we do mow it now um in one year because there are some

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months where I notice that it doesn't get mowed very much at all and other months when it's rainier it gets mowed a little bit more. But if we gave it back to them and then just supplemented at

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times when we're not satisfied it seems we would save hundreds of thousands of dollars. And I don't see why we should be uh doing a job like that, maintaining 18 miles

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for $75,000. It costs a lot of our homeowners more than that to maintain their grounds. And it it just makes absolutely no sense. You need to look out for your taxpayers and do something rational.

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>> Thank you, Sue. Are there any more public comment on this topic? >> We have no more speakers. Thank you. >> There anyone else like to speak? >> Okay, seeing none, public comment is

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closed. We got a motion in a second. We've had public comment. Uh Marty, will you call the role? >> You will have to tell me who made the motion and who seconded. >> I made the motion. >> Deb made the motion. Sharon second.

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>> Thank you. >> To accept the consent agenda. >> Okay. >> Council member Deb Gillis. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Council member Anna Richards. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. >> Motion passes. 5-0.

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>> Okay. That's the end of consent agenda. We're excuse me. >> Yeah. Can folks, we it it's hard this terrible acoustics in here. So, if y'all need to talk, would you please talk outside so that there's no confusion up

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here more than what there already is. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh John, let's move on to quasi judicial. >> Yep. Um we're into quasi judicial. The these are tabs 23 through 26 today. Please be advised the following agenda

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items are quasi judicial in nature. If you wish to comment on these items, please inform the village clerk by filling out the available signup form. An opportunity for persons to speak on each item will be made available after the applicant and staff have made their presentations on each item. As a reminder, testimony inquas judicial items must be in person. Zoom testimony

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is not permitted. These proceedings will be handled in accordance with the village code requirements. All testimony, including public testimony and evidence, will be made under oath or affirmation. Additionally, each person who gives testimony may be subject to cross-examination. If you do not wish to be be either cross-examined or sworn, your testimony shall be disregarded. The

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general public will not be permitted to cross-examine witnesses, but the public may request the council to ask questions of staff or witnesses on their behalf. The full agenda packet on each item is hereby entered into the record along with village code and comprehensive plan. Any correspondence that was received by the village staff is included in the file and part of the

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record. Persons representing organizations must present evidence of their authority to speak for the organization. Further details on the quasi judicial procedures in section 30-256 of the village code may be obtained from the village clerk. As I mentioned tonight there are four quasi judicial items tabs 23 through 26. At

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this time I would like to ask anyone who intends to speak on any of the quasi judicial items tonight to please raise your hand and be sworn in by the clerk. >> In the matter in which you are about to give testimony, do you swear or affirm you'll tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? that

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witnesses have been sworn. All >> right, John, will you u >> read in the re tab 23? >> Yep. Tab 23 is a resolution of the village council of Alamarda village of Islands, Florida considering a request by Morales uh Rev Living Trust

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AGR2-16-207 for administrative relief from the village building permit allocation system for property located at 125 Mockingbird Road, Plantation Key as legally described in exhibit A, providing for transmitt to the Department of Commerce and providing for an effective date. Council, before we

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begin, I would like you to please disclose any exparte communications that you may have had with the applicant or anyone else. Again, this is tab 23. And please include um with specific with specificity um uh the whether the subject whether the person represented

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any group or entity as well as the subject matter of the discussion as you best recall. >> Okay. Vice Mayor, >> none. >> Anna, >> none. >> Steve, >> none. Deb, >> none. >> And me, none. I like that.

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>> Yes, sir. Jennifer, >> that's the easiest thing of the night. >> Good evening, council. Jennifer Deborri. I'm playing director for the village of Vio Marada. I'm here this evening for the administrative relief application for 125 Mockingbird Road. Morales Rev

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Living Trust AGR02162017 is the applicant and has applied for administrative relief pursuant to section 30-477 of the code of ordinances of Isa Marada village violence village code section 30-477 requires that a public hearing be held during which the

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village council of Isa Marada shall consider all evidence presented regarding the application and shall follow the procedures standards and criteria found within code sections 30-552 2 and 30-553 beneficial use. The burden of proof shall be on the applicant. The subject property is

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located at 125 Marking Bird Road and legally described in exhibit A of the proposed resolution. The application has entered into the bill was entered into the building permit allocation system on November 22nd, 2021. The application has been considered in four consecutive annual allocation periods and has failed

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to receive an allocation award. At the close of quarter 4 of 2025, the application was ranked fifth with 20 points. Pursuant to the requirements set forth in code section 30-477A, the applicant was eligible to apply for administrative relief between 12:01 p.m.

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on January 1st, 2026 and 12 p.m. on May 1st, 2026. The applicant submitted the application for administrative relief on January 1st, 2026. The proposed development is a one single family, four-bedroom, 3 and a half bathroom home approximately 2,875

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square ft. The site is approximately 7,700 ft with a loud clearing and mitigation based on the habitat. My full analysis is in your pocket and additional information that was provided by the applicant. The property owner has complied with all requirements

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of the building permit allocation system. The BP pass application has not been withdrawn at any time. The property owner has not applied for a deferral and the applicant as stated is seeking an allocation award. Remedies offered under the code section 30-477F

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include granting the application applicant an allocation award for all or part of the allocation requested in the next succeeding allocation period an offer to purchase the property at its fair market value or su suggest such other relief as may be necessary and appropriate.

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Uh you may recall that this item was continued from your coun from council's March 12, 2026 meeting so that the applicant could correct the deed. A corrected deed is attached and has been recorded with the clerk of courts. The village currently has nine allocations available for admin administrative

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relief and at this time staff has recommend awarding the administrative relief allocation and I'm available with any questions you may have. >> Thank you Jennifer. So why don't we open testimony to those in favor? Is there anyone in favor of this application?

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Okay. Hearing none, then we'll open it up to those that are opposed. Is there anyone opposed? Hearing none, that's closed. Council, what's your pleasure? >> I'll make a motion to approve. >> There's a motion to approve. Do I have a second?

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>> Second. >> Motion to approve and a second. Marty, will you call the role? Council member Deb Gillis, >> yes. >> Council member Anna Richards, >> yes. Council member Steve Freriedman, >> yes. >> Council, excuse me, Vice Mayor Sher Mahoney, >> yes.

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>> And Mayor Don Horton, >> yes. >> That motion passes 5-0. >> Thank you so much. We'll move on to tab 24. Tab 24 is a resolution of the village council of alamara village of islands Florida considering the request by Gretchen Gregory on behalf of Richard Simpson, Barbara Whiteill, Jean uh Olig

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Gabriella Dorya and Gretchen Gregory for administrative relief from the village building permit allocation system for property located at 113 Venetian Way. Plantation key is legally described in exhibit A providing for transmitt of the department to the department of commerce and providing for an effective date. and council again before we begin if you

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will please u make your exparte disclosures. Go >> ahead. >> Anna, >> none. >> Vice Mayor >> none. >> Steve, >> none. >> None. >> None for me either. >> Again, council Jennifer Jennifer Deborri playing director for the village of

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Island Marada. I'm here this evening with the administrative relief application for 113 Venetian Way. Gretchen Gregory is the applicant and has applied for administrative relief pursuant to section 30-477 of the code of ordinances of Marada village of

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islands village code section 30-477 requires that a public hearing be held during which the village council of Marada shall consider all evidence presented regarding the application and shall follow the procedures standards and criteria filed within code sections 30-552

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and 30-553 beneficial use burden of proof shall be on the applicant the subject properties properties located at 113 Venetian Way and legally described in exhibit A of the proposed resolution. The application was entered into the building permit allocation system on February 22nd, 2022. The application has

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been considered in four consecutive annual allocation periods and has failed to receive an allocation award. At the close of quarter 1 of 2026, the application was ranked 12th with 19 points at the close of quarter I'm sorry. Yeah, sorry I just said that.

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Pursuant to the requirements set forth in code section 30-477A, the applicant was eligible to apply for administrative relief between 12:01 p.m. on April 1st, 2026 and 12:00 p.m. on July 30th, 2026. The applicant submitted an application for administrative relief

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on April 1st, 2026. The proposed development is one single family, three-bedroom, two-b home approximately 1,512 ft² and the site is approximately 7,000 square feet with allowed clearing and mitigation based on the habitat. Again, my full analysis is in your

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packet packet and the property owner has complied with all requirements of the building permit allocation system. The BPASS application has not been withdrawn at any time and the property owner has not applied for a deferral. Remedies under code section 30-477F

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include granting the application an applicant an allocation award or for all or part of the allocation requested in the next succeeding allocation period or extended for over several succeeding allocation periods. offer to purchase the property at fair market value or

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success suggests other such relief as may be necessary and appropriate. The village currently has eight allocations available for administrative relief and at this time staff recommends awarding the administrative relief allocation and I'm available to answer any questions you might have.

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>> Thank you, Jennifer. >> Uh so let's open testimony for those in favor. Is there anyone who would like to speak in favor of this application? Hearing none, I'll open it up to those that are opposed. Is there anyone that

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is opposed to this application? Okay. Can I have a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve. >> I'll second. >> And a second. We got a motion in second. Marty, will you call a roll? >> Council member Anna Richard? >> Yes. >> Council member Deb Gillis. >> Yes.

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>> Council member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Masher Mahoney. >> Yep. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes, ma'am. >> That motion passes 5-0. All right, Jennifer, let's John John, let's go to tab 25. >> Yep. 25 is a resolution of the village council of Alamarda Village, Florida,

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concerning the request by James Ferguson for administrative relief from the village building permit allocation system for property located at 148 to Questa Street Plantation Key is legally described in exhibit A, providing for transmitt to the Department of Commerce and providing for an effective date. and council again before we proceed if you

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will please um uh make your exparte disclosures uh on this item. >> Anna, >> nope. >> Vice Mayor, >> nope. Steve, >> still no. >> Another no. >> Another no on me too. >> Let's do it.

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>> Good evening, council again. Jennifer Debor, planning director for the village of Marada. I'm here this evening for the application with administrative relief for 148 to Questa Street. James Ferguson is the applicant and has applied for administrative relief pursuant to section 30-477 of the code of ordinances

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of Marana village of Islands. The village code section 30-477 requires that a public hearing be held during which the village council of Marada shall consider all evidence presented regarding the application and shall follow the procedures standards and criteria found within code sections

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30-552 and 30-553 beneficial use. The burn of proof shall be on the applicant. The subject property is located at 148 to Questa Street and legally described in exhibit A of the proposed resolution. The application was entered into the building permit allocation system on

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January 14th, 2022. The application has been considered in four consecutive annual allocation periods and has failed to receive an allocation award. At the close of quarter 1 of 2026, the application was ranked fourth with 20 points. Pursuant to the requirements set forth in code 30-477A,

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the applicant was eligible to apply for administrative relief between 12:01 p.m. on April 1st, 2026 and 12 p.m. on July 30th, 2026. The applicant submitted an application for administrative relief on April 1st, 2026. The proposed

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development is one single family, three-bedroom, two-b home approximately 2,183 square ft. The site is approximately 6,600 square f feet with allowed clearing and mitigation based on habitat. The full analysis is again in your packet. The property owner has

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complied with all requirements of the building permit allocation system. The BP pass application has not been withdrawn at any time. The property owner has not applied for a deferral and the applicant as stated is seeking an allocation award. And the remedies offered under code section 30-477477F

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include granting the applicant an allocation award for all or part of the allocation requested in the next succeeding allocation period offer to purchase the property it far fair market value or suggests other such relief as may be necessary and appropriate and the village currently has seven allocations

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available for administrative relief. At this time staff recommends awarding the administrative relief allocation and I'm here to answer any questions you might have. >> Thank you Jennifer. You say there's seven left >> uh after the two that we just issued. Yes, there's seven left. >> After the two we just issued. Thank you very much. Okay, we're going to open

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testimony to those in favor of this request. Is there anyone like to speak in favor? Is there anyone that would like to speak to oppose? Do I have a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve. >> Motion to approve.

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>> Second. >> We have a motion and second. Marty, will you call the role? >> Council member Deb Gillis, >> yes. >> Council member Anne Richards, >> yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney, >> yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton, >> yes.

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>> Motion passes 5-0. >> And just as a note, that will now leave us with six administrative relief allocations. >> Okay, we can still count. Can we do one more and then take a break? Let's do one more then. >> Uh let's do item 26. Uh 26 is a

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resolution of the village council of vomar village of violence Florida considering the request of Ty Harris PA agent for Cabrera Georgina revocable trust uh 08-26-2022 for a major conditional use approval to allow for a transfer station/recycling

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center for property located at 86550 Overseas Highway on Plantation Key with real estate number 000092 010-0000 as legally described herein providing for the transmitted this resolution to the Florida Department of Commerce and

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providing for an effective date. So, I I'm hoping we're going to go five for five. I'm not holding my breath on this one, though. Um uh so yeah, I'm going to guess no, too. But if uh if you can please make any quasi judicial disclosures um including with specificity as to the u uh subject

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matter that was discussed on this item. >> Uh let's see. Um Deb, you're anxious. Go for it. I actually talked to somebody, Ty Harris. Ty Harris, and uh the discussion was just about the basis of

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where where this was coming from. >> Okay, Steve. >> Nope. Nope. Anna, >> uh you can thank Ty Harris for this one. So, that'll be a yes. And just that if I had any questions and same with Mr. Frank Cabera, same if I had any

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questions, which I did not. So, >> uh, vice mayor >> talked to Ty a long time ago or when this first happened. I can't remember. >> Okay. It's all a blur. >> All right. Uh, I again, Tai's the one holding us up on this when I talked to

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Ty. Uh, I I might have talked a long time ago to uh to Frankie and I might have talked a long time ago to Brian. It has not been recent. It's been a application going through. Um but if certainly just to get the you know

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questions about the approval. Yeah, Jennifer, it's the Jennifer show. >> Good evening. Jennifer Deborri playing director for the village of for Island Village of Islands. Uh I'm here this evening with the major conditional use application for transfer

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station/recycling center at 86550 Overseas Highway. Ty Harris is the agent and has submitted an application for major conditional use approval on behalf of the of Cabrera Georgina Revocable Trust 0826 2022 to allow the existing

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tenant island disposal to expand its operations to a transfer station/recycling center at the property located at 86550 Overseas Highway. On April 21st, 2026, the applicant mailed notices to adjacent property owners informing them that the project was

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scheduled to be reviewed by the village council. A sign was also posted on the property on April 21st, 2026. The village has received no letters of objection or contact from adjacent owners as of this council communication. Pursuant to the village code of ordinances, a public hearing before the village council to review the request is

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required. The property is approximately 3.1 acres in size, approximately 133,450 ft. The property is located on the west side of overseas highway. Properties within the industrial zoning district and categorized within the future land

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use maths future land use map as industrial. The properties adjacent to the north and south are also zoned industrial and the properties adjacent to the west are zone is zoned conservation. The properties to the east across overseas house highway are is also zone conservation. The existing use

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on the prop uses on the property include industrial uses and non and non-conforming residential use. The proposed development is to allow for the existing tenant and island disposal to expand their operations at the property to now include a transfer station recycling center. The major conditional

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use is triggered by the expansion of the use to a recycling center. The existing habitat for the subject par parcel is classified as mostly scarified. A portion of the rare property does have mangroves. There's a full uh review and analysis in

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your packet. Um I did want to note that because the question has been asked um this um part of this is to help bring them into compliance with their sewer connection um situation. So they are doing this as the first step to to

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enable them to get their sewer connection um on the property um and to bring the property into code compliance. So this is the first step for for that. So we're working with them to get them into compliance on the the property. So, um, at this time, um, staff has reviewed

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the requests for the major conditional use and determined that the site plan is consistent with the goals, objectives, and policies of the comprehensive plan and complies with the applicable provisions of the code of ordinances. Staff recommends that the village council approve the proposed major conditional use by the adoption of the

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attached resolution subject to the following conditions of approval. The maximum EDUs allowed is two identify. They have to identify all the equivalent edus or equivalent dwelling units prior to the sewer connection permit. Residential unit on the property is

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limited to one dwelling unit only. A storm water storm water shall be retained on site throughout the entire construction period and upon the completion of the project. There is no outdoor lighting on this permit. The sewer connection permit must be issued within 60 days of final approval of this

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resolution. and the village reserves the right to resend in whole or part any aspect of this major conditional use in the event a violation of these condition occurs. All conditions shall be enforceable through all powers of the village attorney's office and the village reserves the right after due public hearing to resend in whole or

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part of the major use if the violation or conditions persist. And at this time we recommend approval with those conditions and I'm here if you have any questions. >> Thank you Jennifer. >> You are welcome. >> Um council are there any questions of Jennifer at this moment? Okay, then I'd

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like to open up testimony in favor of and I see Tai's up there. Clock's on Ty. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. Ty Harris, law firm of Ty Harris, PA, Plantation Key. I represent the applicant uh who has like all of us

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been here for a number of hours along with um Mr. Limbach who owns some island disposal along with this partner and they comprise the major use on this property. As we all know um the village of Al

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Marada never started off with a lot of industrial zone property and most of the property that we have has been turned into an artwalk. So, this is probably the last true piece of industrial property significantly sized um in the

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village to to do things such as a transfer station, a recycling facility. And um as you heard from your planning director, uh along this parallel track, we have been working on a a sewer plan

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so that we can connect a sewer. But in order to connect a sewer sewer, the site plan, which is part of the major conditional use, has to be approved. So these applications have been running on parallel tracks, but this has to be approved before uh the sewer connection

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can be made, and I'm here uh to answer any questions. I think staff did a great job summarizing the application. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, Ty. Is there any other testimony in favor of this applicant? Okay. Is there any testimony in

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opposition of this applicant? All right. Hearing none, uh, Jennifer, is there any followup you need to do? >> No, sir. >> Ty, is there any followup you need to do? Do you want to rebut anything Jennifer's approvals?

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>> Very good. Uh, folks, do I have a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Got a motion and a second. Marty, will you call the role? I'm sorry. >> With the with the conditions. >> Excuse me. With the conditions. Yes.

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>> Okay. Uh, council member I'm sorry. Council member Richards got a second by >> me. It'll be okay. Thank you. >> You're a little late. Keep up. >> Trying to keep up. >> Okay. Council member Anna Richards. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.

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>> Yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Council member Doug Gillis. >> Yes. and Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. >> That motion passes 5-0. >> Fantastic. Congratulations. >> Thank you.

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>> Step one. >> Step one. Moving on. Why don't we uh uh you wanted to take a quick break, I think, vice mayor. Did you? So, did somebody want to Anna wanted to? >> Why don't we just a five minute? Let's

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do a five minute break. Clock is ticking. It's 9:01. We're turning this back on at 9:06. All right, you ready? We're gonna we're see if I can gather all these together here.

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>> Hello, folks. >> Well, at least got no staff. Let's see if we can get this show on the road. >> Okay, I see Ron. There's Marne. We have a John and a banana. >> There's an Anna on the way back and

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John. Okay, >> let's get this done. >> Thank y'all. Thank y'all so much. Um I think we're going to come back to resolutions now, which would be tab 11.

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Uh, I >> think that's where we're at. >> Yep. >> Good deal. Um, tab 11 is a resolution of the village council of Alamada Village, Florida, approving work authorization number one with Cumins Sedterberg, Inc. for the founders park boat ramp and park

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conceptual design project. Authorizing village officials to implement the terms and conditions of work authorization number one. Authorizing village manager to expend budget funds. Authorizing village manager to execute the project agreement and for work authorization number one and providing for an effective date.

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>> Thank you so much. Pete, you're going to talk to us about this? >> Yes, I am. So, good evening council. So, as you know, we have been discussing the idea of expanding and improving upon the boat ramp here at uh Founders Park Plantation Yacht Harbor Marina. And most

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specifically and recently, the idea under discussion is to establish a second launch adjacent to the current launch uh generally in the same footprint of the existing boat ramp. And uh alongside with that, we've also been discussing the idea of improving and

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also expanding the park and current parking area for the trailers that uh could use some improvement to maximize um the space a little better. Uh so to that extent, the village council did request of staff to look into a conceptual design which would be the first step of improvements to this boat

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ramp. Um so with that in mind the staff did approach Cumins Cedarberg um for a proposal for the conceptual design work. Uh Cumins is a wellestablished highly respected coastal engineering firm um in South Florida. They've done extensive

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work in the Keys and this is exactly the type of work they do. They've done lots of boat uh boat ramp improvements uh such as that. So Cumins has uh supplied us with a proposal. I thought it was an excellent proposal. um they really outlined everything they were going to do uh very well and what they did which

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I thought was nice was broke their proposal down by tasks. Um so first the four main principal parts of uh what we call task one uh is for a not to exceed amount of $30,500. Now that would be for mainly

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specifically for the ramp work and inwater work and the tasks involved with that would be for the site assessment and the benthic analysis. What this is is assessing the natural resources there, the sensitive resources such as seaggrasses, coral and any mangrove

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impacts which that has to be done. U the next task would be the feasibility and permitting due diligence. So an analysis of what permitting would need to be done with this. There would need to be extensive permitting of course because it's in waterwork both federal and state permitting. So the third task would be

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the stakeholder engagement and public outreach. So we we would be holding public meetings to gather input from the stakeholders and the public which that information would go into the conceptual design which would be the final uh task of that call it phase one would be you

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know supplying us with a conceptual design. So what Cumins did they broke out the land part of it meaning the uh the parking area and then also the circular drive which would also need to be reconfigured after they did initial

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analysis of it. how the trucks pull in with the trailers might need to be adjusted because we're going to be changing the angle of the ramp most likely. So that part of it they are proposing a cost proposal of $23,200. So that would be more Upland civil

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engineering work. Um so combined if we want to combine that uh the full conceptual design package would be $53,700. So if that doesn't appeal to the village and we just want to do the ramp work initially again that would be $30,500.

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Uh the time frame for completion which Cummins has provided us with is approximately 14 weeks. That would be for the full conceptual design and staff are recommending that the council approve this work authorization and giving Ron the the ability to execute

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the agreement. And we are recommending the full complete design of $53,700. And the funding for this that would be from the uh the Plantation Yard Harbor Marina Fund. And with that, I'd be happy to answer any questions.

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>> Thank you. U council, do y'all have any questions of Pete? >> Yeah, just a quick question. Um what do you know what entails a site visit? Because they're going to charge us $1,000 for one site visit. >> Yes. So there is engineering analysis

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that would go into it that would include all of the measuring that would include all the I forgot to mention. So that would be all the utility assessments that cost would near be nearly all four utility assessments underground assessment. Uh the fuel tanks are there.

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We have all the fuel switches. We have power. So that's why that cost is so much if you're paying for a civil engineering site visit. >> Thank you. Uh, Deb, your mic's on. >> Oh, >> Anna. Uh, Vice Mayor,

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>> I don't have any questions for Peter. I just want to, uh, three years I've been sort of working on this back and forth with Richard Black and wanting to make this a really, really nice marina. Uh it

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is important to know that uh the money that if there is $50,000, it'll come back out of the $750,000. >> Yes. >> We got to improve the boat ramp from the

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TDC. So I'm very proud of that. That took me 3 years of working with them. So we did get $750,000 from the TDC. Plus, we're waiting on another grant. That's 120,000. So, this

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project looks like it's going to be paid for uh not as sent to the taxpayers at this point. So, I'm I'm very proud of that. >> So, you got the qualifications of what they'd pay for? I haven't been able to get a list of the qualifications. >> What do you mean by qualifications

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>> that they pay for the this study? >> Yes. You're talking about the what? The 750 or the 120? >> The 750. the 750s for >> I have not been able to get any qualifications out of them of what needs to be done to collect that money.

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>> Nothing. We're already in the budget. They gave uh each district five districts. They picked a project and in Alam Marada it was boat ramp. >> Yeah, I I sit on DAC. I am well aware. >> We don't have to go through DACK. We don't have to do anything. I know you don't have to go through deck, but there

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are the the staff so far does not know what it takes for us to collect it. Not that we aren't entitled to it, but what it takes to collect that money. >> Well, the way it was told to me from Cara and from Mary, who is the Alamada

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TDC representative, is that uh um >> Mary >> Mary V, I don't know if you know her or not. Mhm. >> Yeah. >> She's the Alamada TDC person now. I don't know if you know that, but uh that that has to go in front of I believe the

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county commissioners. >> Still has to go in front of BCC. >> Yes. And then the money will be distributed to uh each district for the project that was laid out. And mine was a renovation of the boat ramp and fixing the marina. So, I don't know if that

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really answers. They sort of just like there were >> I've asked three people and I haven't been able to get an answer. Okay. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. It was a lot. It was been a long time working on this. So, and again, kudos to Richard. >> As as I understood it, the TDC had

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excess funding that was allocated, wasn't used or whatever. And it's the first time that they have done and you probably know that more than anything is you surfing on the deck as long as you have. But >> yeah, this is this is the first time that they've done this kind of thing. The other thing that they've done

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recently was the housing element up in Kargo, >> South Cliff State. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Uh but every time I've asked since they made that announcement, I haven't been able to tell me get anybody to tell me

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Not that we aren't entitled to the money, but that how we collect the money, whether you know, >> they just told me they'd be in touch. And uh Ron kept saying to me, "No, it doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way. >> It normally does. It's never worked that way before."

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>> Peter was like, "No, we can't do that." But >> yeah, it's never worked that way before, but it's >> They did it once. They did it once now. >> I suspect it'll be some kind of application, but I don't think it can be denied. So, I don't know. But again, I'm looking for you guys to let us move

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forward with this wonderful, wonderful project that we hope makes our marina one of the best in the Keys. So, so Peter, I got a question on this on there. Um, are I see that they've included their u uh the benthic

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uh feasibility and all of that? Are they doing an assessment on the beammetry as well? So, we did a bathroomtric survey when we dredged what we call the mudslips a couple years ago. We may not have to redo that. Um, so we're going to pull

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that out and try to use that first. >> And where this ramp is going to go at that point, we'll have an understanding of if there's going to need to be any moving of rocks or moving utilities or d any dredging that may have to happen there.

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>> That's exactly right. That's the feasibility part. So that'll be done in this conceptual design >> during the feasibility study. While they're also doing this, can they give us their professional opinion once they understand the bemmetry in the bottom

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and and and what you know, have we got any hard or soft body coral communities or any if we're having to dredge out hard bottom? Will they be able to give us at this point after spending 7 53

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almost $54,000? Will they be able to give us at least their opinion on what the likelihood of us being able to go through the core D to get the approval? >> Yes, absolutely. That's part of it. And they're going to give us the their opinion of cost, too. >> Okay.

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>> Well, that was going to be my next >> Okay. Oh, yeah. That's in the proposal. So, and we specify that was important. We need to know what the >> approximately >> engineers's opinion of probable cost would be. >> Yeah. Not including the draw just that work is probably going to be 350,000 or so. >> Yeah. The for the

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tag if we can tag on to what's there. >> Yeah. >> If we got to rebuild, >> tear out and rebuild, then it's going to be more than that. But that was just kind of my guess on that. So, we've got the >> dollars to do it. And if we don't, you said that you've got some private

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funding that may be available as well. And I think improving that ramp is an awesome thing. So, um, do I have a motion? Do Well, let's see. We need some public comment on this. Do we have a any public comment? Anybody signed up? Marty, >> no, sir.

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>> Okay. Is there anyone that would like to speak? Sue got your hand up. >> Thank you, Sharon. Sue Miller. Um, I think it's great and I think you should go for the full thing, not peace meal. Both both parts. And I'm

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particularly myself interested in uh improving the parking there because that is Bayfront, the most beautiful location in uh Founders Park and and it needs to be improved upon. Seeing all those junk

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trailers there drives me nuts. Thank you. >> McMaster. Thank you, Sue. Is there anyone else like to speak? Seeing none, public comment is closed. Do I hear a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve. >> I'll second. >> And a motion in a second. Any other

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discussion? >> Marne, will you call the role? >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Council member Deb Gillis. >> Yes. >> Council member Anna Richards. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. That motion passes 5-0.

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>> Okay, let's move on to tab 12. >> 12 is a resolution of the village council of Alamara Village, Florida, approving the selection of ANF Group, Inc. in response to RFQ26-01 for affordable/workforce housing development services, authorizing village manager and village attorney to

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negotiate a ground lease agreement and providing for an effective date. >> Uh Jennifer, would you like to introduce this? >> Sure. Um, on January 23rd, 2026, the village issued RFQ2601 to solicit proposal proposals from

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qualified and experienced developers to construct and operate an affordable housing development with units on land owned by the village known as the Machado property. RFQ26-01 was issued in accordance with section 2-327B

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and C4 of the vill's purchasing guidelines of the village code of ordinances. RFQ26-01 was published on demandstar.com and on the vill's website from January 23rd, 2026 through the submittal deadline of March 25th, 2026. And

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notices were posted on the vill's Facebook page and in the local newspaper to answer questions posed about the RFP. Addendum number one was published on February 11th, 2026. The village received a total of two proposals in response to RFQ26-01.

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to evaluate and rank the proposals. The evaluation committee was established by the village manager. The evaluation committee was comprised of the public works director, the planning director, the chief building official, the environmental resources manager, and the assistant planning director. Consideration was given to each firm's

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propo project approach, experience with similar services in Monroe County and elsewhere, qualifications, financial capacity, and references. The two proposals were reviewed and scored by the committee in a publicly noticed meeting on April 2nd, 2026. A maximum of

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115 points were available in the scoring system per per committee member for a total score by the committee of 575 points. The committee ranked the proposals as follows according with the criteria and point system provided in the RFQ. Ranked number one was ANF Group Inc.

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with 488 points and ranked number two was Habitat for Humanity with 359 points. The adoption of the proposed resolution would approve the ranking of the RFQ2601 evaluation committee, the recommended selection of ANF Group, Inc. to conduct the services and authorize

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the village manager and the village attorney to negotiate a ground lease for the property. At this time, staff recommends approval of the attached resolution. I'm here if you have any questions. Um, >> is there are there any questions for Jennifer?

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Okay. Um I I guess we can open we can open this up to public comment. I guess I'd like to kind of like to make a make a motion if I can. I I' I'd like to go on and >> I I I' I'd like to not accept either proposal. >> I'll second.

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>> I um I think that there's a lot more that we need to figure out. I I think that um um I think with with South Cliff Estates that's going to are that's not filling

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up. I think with the Islander having to put in uh you know the units that we've already approved and have to be put in there. I think with some vacant properties that are still vacant from Habitat that that I think that we need

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to wait on a county study and and see what the county comes out with their study. Uh I I don't want to say that we've lost our um affordable housing folks that need the affordable housing or whatever, but I think we we need to

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understand that. I I struggled hard for this a long time because I I think that, you know, I believe in free enterprise and somebody wanting to step in there and do this, but at the same time, I I think there's just too many things that are too many

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balls in the air right now. And I think we can rely on the study that comes out of the county whenever they do that study. And rather than be put postponing this or stuck in a uh you know where nobody could talk about it, we're we're

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in a cone of silence. Uh I just think that we need to reject both uh the rankings from the the staff and uh and just put this whole thing put it put it

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away for now. So I'm going to make that motion if you can. >> I'll second your motion. Can I uh just a a friendly wording if it's a motion to rephrase as a motion to reject all bids? >> Yes. Reject all bids. Yes. >> Yes. So that's my motion and there is a

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second. I'm sure there's going to be more discussion. So let's open it up. >> Do you want to do public comment first or do you want >> No, I think the public ought to hear and then they can make their comment. Maybe maybe they won't have to see where it goes. Um,

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well, I disagree. I think it's um time that we move forward. Uh, every time we come up to the line for affordable housing, we seem to back off. And I don't mean we, the five of us. I mean the village as a

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whole. Uh, I think we've got a decent proposal here. I think there's a lot of things that need to be discussed in the ground lease of how that comes about or be done. Um,

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but we have we have two people that put bids in. We have one stronger recommendation than the other, of course. Um, but I I I think it's important that we move forward relying on the county

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uh affordable housing study or workforce housing study, whatever they're going to title it. Um, at this point, we're not included in that. So, I don't know whether we could rely on it u legally.

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uh we've used our study and it is outdated. We need our own study. Um on a tagline I I haven't been able to discuss yet as to why we should just do our own and not piggyback on the county.

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Um I I do believe we need a new affordable housing study, but I don't think it's going to change what we need. and years ago and I think I I live in the center of this uh affordable

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crisis. Um I had a developer approach me and they said, "Well, I want to b build 40 units and what do you want? Do you want efficiencies? Do you want one beds? Do you want five beds? Do you know do you want at the time rental wasn't really a word that was being tossed

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around and he looked at me and said well what do you want I says I want any of it I want all of it yes is my answer and he says how can that be because no matter what we build we need it now what

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happened in Keargo with the TDC funds um I don't know where they got their pricing from this is the reason our ground lease is would be an important thing on this um

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and being able to somewhat control what they do. It is a open market. It is a for-profit company, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Um they if we want people to build for

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us so that we don't put the outlay but we want to have uh control you you don't have to give up all control just because somebody else is building. So I would like to see us move ahead. This is only 16 units.

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It's not like we're building 56 units or 100 units. >> Okay. Um, what about the 60s something that Publix is supposed to put in just up the corner too? >> 84. Yeah, >> it's outside the village. >> Oh, well, I understand it's outside the

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village, but at the same time, we we are not we're not totally exclusive because we're south of Tavanir Creek Bridge. We we a lot of our workforce comes out of from the 106 to the 50 mile marker and

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comes in. I I I feel like If we're going to build 16 or 20 or 50 affordable housing units, they're they're more likely they're more better suited that we put them in the middle of

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where our industry or the most of our commercial corridor is, >> which we should probably be focusing not on Machado, but on Island Silver Spice property and looking away and putting in some businesses there, some affordable

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housing there. Some parking in there and and not building more here to put more traffic on the road to go south to go where the work is or to go north where the work is cuz what kind of business

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corridor do we really have other than small niche businesses on Plantation Key? So, we're ste we're guiding the development in an area that that really isn't where we should be guiding the development. We should we should put we

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should consider more and I understand that the last council or council before or whenever it was bought that property specifically for um it said when they bought it for affordable housing. Um, and and maybe

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there's still an opportunity. Maybe 16's the wrong number because now we're putting however many trips 16 generate right on the road to to head one way or the other to another traffic jam.

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Whichever which way they go, if they're going that way in the afternoon or they're going that way in the morning. I just I um I don't think there's a lot of thought put into to to us building that many right there. And uh I I think that

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there's too many unknowns with with the big giant number that Publix is going to be putting in with the number that we're requiring the islander to put in with um with the vacancies that South Cliff with the vacancies that Habitat has uh right

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now. Look, those those units that Habitat put in by the high school over a year ago, there's still two of them. And I know people got to spend their time and and and put in their hours to be

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able to buy one of those houses and get one of the houses from Habitat and that's the home ownership part. But they're still vacant a year later, over a year later from when they were seed. So there's something that's telling me that not that we've necessarily lost our

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workforce, but we've lost that demand because it's taken >> but those are home ownership and they're restricted income home ownership. Not that what we would do. Well, ours is different though. >> Okay.

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>> Ours ours is the middle u medium income which is a much higher than what some of their models are. Um, I have said for a long time and I keep being said, "Oh, I never hear what we ought to do with

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Island Silver and Spice." From the beginning, I have said that it'd be a great place to put housing. And I calculated, I may have miscalculated, but I calculated that we could do 16 or 17 units on that >> with maybe some parking on the bottom

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floor, maybe some commercial on the middle floor or or a community center or something >> and housing on the top floor, right? Staying under the 35. >> Yeah. Which is a logical place to put it because you're in a logical place. There's also uh considerations that you

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can do scattered gathered sites and make it so other companies can qualify for for building uh if we did we'll say 16 because that makes easy 16 there 16

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at Machado and we had eight next to the high school right there you're at 40 you know and that would make a difference in in who would qualify for putting in. Do I think these are

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the best proposals ever? Probably not. But I don't think we're ever going to get to a perfect and every day that we don't have housing is another group of people that had to leave because they don't have housing.

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I I just I just had a somebody looking for a job that he couldn't come to work for me because he had no place to live. >> Jennifer, is there an application right now on Windley Key >> for affordable housing? >> I I I'm not aware of any. I mean, I

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don't know. I >> No, about the one on the >> the affordable housing. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I thought you meant like somebody Yeah. Yes. We have the we what we call the Hulie project. Yes. um next to the Fisher in for 43 or 46 units. >> 43 or 46 units closer to the commercial

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corridor that's about to happen over there. >> Yes. >> Okay. And how are they in for permit or when? >> Yeah, they're they're under site plan review right now. Um they were sent back for a couple corrections, but they're pretty close to getting that permit. We had to go through a a comprehensive plan

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uh change and zoning change to to >> which we've done that >> which we did that. That was approved by commerce. So that was all set. So now they're just finalizing their plans and moving that forward. >> So I think we we've gone through a comp plan amendment to accommodate that. So it's like we're it's not like we're

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ignoring the fact that we want to build affordable housing. It's I I get I get the argument that we constantly say we need we need we need and then we yank it away. But we're not yanking it away. There's 40some going on there. There's I

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just I I my motion stands. I think >> um first of all um you have to look at the area that they want to put them in. This is not this is a residential neighborhood with single family homes. That's a big part of it. And um

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secondly, I think we should have learned our lesson with wetnet. That's not a raving success. And it's not absolutely not. That's all. The fact that they have a 5-year waiting list makes it not as >> well. There's all kinds of other problems that with it that I don't really want to get into, but I don't

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think that was a smart move for the village. I'm sorry. I don't. And there's empty units there, and there's other issues. But we need to concentrate on people who are going to stay here, live here, and own a home. And that to me is

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more important. We have plenty of there's like 42 going in and all Marada. I live right near the Machado property and I can't really think of any businesses that are around there like Don said without going into Taanir or

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going into Al Marada and again I stand by Don and his decision. So that's my opinion. >> Yeah, >> my opinion. >> So part part of that I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off. >> It's okay. Go ahead. Part of that is

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that there's a change in mentality around the country on uh younger people owning. Uh it's not it's not just Marada. We're not isolated. Um

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there's there's a whole change in mentality of that they don't want responsibilities like home ownership. Not everybody, but there's there is >> Well, whether you believe it or not,

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there's reports out there that'll tell you that. >> Um, and I'm not I'm not, you know, my argument is we need it all. We need home ownership. We need rental. We need everything. We need efficiencies. We

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need three bedrooms. We We need it all. And part of the reason we that some of these places are struggling is because we've lost the employees and they have to find that we have housing again. >> There is no way that that they know that

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they're going to have housing and we're still talking two years if what we do even even the one that we just talked about it's at least a year away by the time they get it built. Um,

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I'm I'm just of the belief that we need to move forward with this and stop putting it down the road. >> As for as for single as for being single family

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neighborhoods, the uh the apartments, which is probably what they'd have to be is apartments, um they're good people. they would be good people. I don't know where I don't know where you think that these

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people are coming from. It's going to be because of the pricing. It's most likely going to be teachers and policemen and firemen and small business owners and the like. >> Whether you whether you believe it or

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not, that is what's going to happen >> eventually. So, I I can see I'm on the losing side of this battle. So, >> I don't think there's a win or a lose on this issue. >> I I just think that we're flooded with

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rentals. We've got the 40some that are going to be built. We have the ones in Tair that are going to be built. There's another complex that's in the pipeline to come up. I think >> there's another one. But I just think that we're flooded with

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rentals. And I think that I'm I would have to disagree with you on that with and I'm sure there's some young people that don't want that, but I can tell you right now, my kids would love to be able to buy a house, but you know, to be able to afford a house. Isn't that the American dream is to to buy a house and

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be able to raise your family there? And those are the people that we want here. You know, we want our teachers to be able to buy a house. We want our law enforcement to be able to buy a house and raise their families here and stay here. >> So, you think the affordable restrictions will allow that?

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>> I think to a certain degree. I mean, for the most part, the Habitat model is working. >> The Habitat model has opened units, too. >> Okay. But they have two versus over a hundred rentals that we're about

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to have. I think that that's way more. They might have more people step up. I don't know. I don't know their list. I don't know what they have going. I'm not privy to that information. So, >> they they have other qualifications that you have to meet, too. It's part of the

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and you know, >> and and I'm not saying it has to be Habitat, but I am saying that I still think that there are >> What about the fact that we don't have any home ownership permits? >> We have none. That's all we have is

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rental. Yep. >> That's all we have. >> Guess we have to. >> So, we don't build because that's all we've got. >> Why are we going to build something that's going to sit there vacant? >> I don't think it'll sit vacant. >> I disagree. >> I do not believe it'll take sit vacant.

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>> Excuse me. Public comment is not open. >> We're not open to public comment yet, but be patient. We'll be happy to have you come up. If you've signed up, you'll come up. Thank you. Steve hasn't said. >> I know >> that's because I've been monopolizing this corner of the table.

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>> Ron, correct me if I'm I'm wrong, but in the original packet, did we receive both bids? >> No. >> When you said the original packet, it came out last Wednesday. Uh then I I got requests to add it. So, it was added uh Monday, the second proposal. So, we had we had two proposals. Apparently, the

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procedure in the past has been only the one that got the highest score was included. going forward. I've asked the clerk that from now on at least on the online part of it, we'll include if there like for example the grant one uh the grant consultant we got 10. I said then include all 10 that not whoever

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ends up being the highest rank one because people want to see all of them. So at this point for the people that didn't get to see it last week I apologize but I didn't realize that that wasn't our procedure going forward. I've been kind of instructed uh that they everybody wants to see all of them.

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you're going to get all of them. But no, to answer your question, that wasn't in the original packet. The both of them weren't just the one that got the higher score. >> All right. Thanks. I mean, just based on that, I I I have to agree with Don's motion because I I really want to I want

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to do this right. I also agree with you that we need this housing. Um, uh, I don't know if young people can even afford to buy anything, uh, quite frankly, but, uh, we do need to try and I'd like to see it done, right? And, and I'd like to see I'd like to look at

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other options as well. I'd like to see how we might even be able to get our investment back on that property somehow. And I and I think that we can I don't think we've sused everything out yet. So, uh, so I'm I'm happy to support that motion. >> Thanks, Steve. Well, and and again, we

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had that discussion earlier on and I got I was stuck between you two, but I'm like, I just soon sell the property. I y'all want to hold y'all want to keep control of it and that's fine. That's a that's the consensus of the council. Um

894
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uh it was it was specifically bought um and it was bought through affordable housing mitigation fund. So, it's not like it came out of taxpayer, but it did come out of residents money. Uh, and uh uh so I I and it was

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then it was replenished with some federal money after co uh so the money was put back in the affordable housing mitigation fund. But I I just think with with the dynamic that's happening with what's around us right now, I think the

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proposal that we hit the county that made them finally say stop, wait. Um I I think that and I think we can piggy back on I don't I think we can rely on a study from the county because we're not unique from them. It just because their

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study stops at Taan Creek Bridge doesn't mean that it's not going to include us. We're we're unique from Marathon. We're very unique from Key West, but whatever transportation happens, whatever happens in Tavanir is relatively

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assignable to us. >> Can can I ask that of the the lawyers here? And >> what's that? >> Uh well, in most of our ordinances that we see come forward, they have to use the rely on the affordable housing

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study. That's ours. And We couldn't we couldn't attach Monroe counties instead, could we? >> In terms of you're asking about for an RFP or for to support >> for anything. >> I mean,

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it depends on what it is. But yes, from generally speaking, you would need localized localized study and localized data um like to support our affordable housing funding and things like that. I mean, if if if we are included in the county, say

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now that solves my mental problem at least, but if we're not included in the county, I think there's a a legal problem of of accepting them when we have a plan that's outdated. We will all

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admit that that it's outdated. >> Yeah, we'd have to see what the county plan is. is I mean if it includes us if if it's just unincorporated county um then uh you know that that's another issue but it's it's it's something that we could if we wanted to update our plan we could have whoever does that uh take

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that into account as to >> maybe if Jennifer's ahead of the game when she's putting together her budget for this coming she'll put the in her budget that >> she's wants to do affordable housing study for Alamado >> I have been told that it's on the list

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for next year. I've I've would like to piggy back with what's going on now. >> Okay. >> I the the longer we delay on housing, the more employees and the tougher it gets, the more employees we lose and the

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tougher it gets. And once gone, it's hard to get them back. >> Well, and that may already be the case. And it may be, but if >> when you can go up on the mainland and you can rent for a heck of a lot less and you could buy for a heck of a lot less.

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>> Uh and and and well anyway, um >> you have a motion on the table. >> We got a motion on table, but I think I still want we want a public public comment. There's folks that waited around for a long time. So, uh Marne, is

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there anyone signed up for public comment? Yep. First up is Dave Hoig. >> Did you do your homework this time and stop at five minutes? >> And I've rehearsed it and I'm not trusting AI to tell me how long it takes. >> Thank you, Dave.

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>> And now I've got to change it on the fly. But Don, I uh excuse me, Mr. Mayor. I uh couldn't agree more with your your thesis, everything that's been said. We need to take our breath, take a deep breath, sort this out. to the point of

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the the uh study the studies specifically for the village are ancient they're two decades old and and quite frankly I've done a lot of this kind of work they are have serious flaws in their methodology in fact just

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considering the village itself when our market for employment and housing is much larger than just the confines of marada makes no sense and and that's how they were both done in 2004 4 and 2007.

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As to the county plan, the way it came about was a realization as they're looking at um the public's 84 unit, the uh South Cliff thing that we don't want to have a South Cliff in in Isa Marada

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and the uh Gorman uh property up there all at once. I mean, it's like all of a sudden hundreds and no real demand. It it's a complicated subject. You're you're quite right. But the way it came about, they said, "Oh, maybe, you know, it's getting pretty saturated up here

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with rentals." And that wasn't even talking about the ones in Marada that we've approved and have underway. It it literally is hundreds that have been approved within the last year, just in the upper keys. Anyhow, the concept of

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that study and we've habitat our habitat affiliate serves both Kearargo and Isa Marada where the upper habitat for humanity of the upper keys. So we're not quite as parochial as just being focused on either. We try to do both which

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sometimes is a real a real challenge. But anyhow, as a result of that uh service territory, we have been working very closely with the uh county, the housing authority, and uh they've got some new positions in the county having to do with housing. We've been working

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with them, in fact, on the definition of how the study would be conducted and what all it would uh encompass. The idea is that Marada would be included. Habitat's going to participate in it one way or the other. We're going to bring

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money if need be, but all of our information and experience to the table. And I for one will would love to have this cone of silence thing disappear so that we could enter into some real meaningful

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dialogue about what all it all all of our experiences. It's a very important subject. There's no single answer. Uh I in in fact just at the last whatever we call our affordable housing committee

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now uh the subject of the Monroe County upper upper keys study it's not unincorporated key you know Monroe County the upper keys study was brought up and from the at the request of the committee staff is supposed to be

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finding out what it would take to get the village officially involved Which, M. Gillis, I believe would solve your issue of is it our study or not. In fact, no matter how you cut it, and you all have said it different ways,

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we're we're not isolated. We have one labor force that we draw from, and you know, the fact that there's a little creek there doesn't uh doesn't really separate us meaningfully. So, the idea is that the village would be involved

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one way or another. certainly will be through our Habitat's involvement and I I would hope that through the affordable housing uh committee uh that'll come to fruition as well. So other than that, my remarks were about process on this. I

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think next time around through this and we will we'll revisit it. There there's a better process that could be used. This surprised us. I mean, we kind of follow affordable housing here pretty darn closely and think we know what's going on, but when this came out, it was

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a total surprise to us. We have board members that are both on both the uh LPA and the affordable housing committee. Neither of those official entities were involved, let alone the local community in the discussion. And so I think there's a

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much richer dialogue to take place that would serve us all well whatever the ultimate outcome is here. Uh the there were enough concerns as to process and the evaluation criteria that we actually

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filed a letter to the village attorney. So, if if you were going to proceed with something at this point in time, I would uh I intended to say you really need to get fully briefed on that. >> Thanks, Dave. >> You're welcome. Thank you for the chance to speak. >> Yes, sir.

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>> Marne, is there anyone else signed up to speak? >> Yes. Joe Wishmire >> Jigi? >> No. >> But he went away from me. Hello again, Joe Wishmire Plantation Key. Regarding the Machado property, you know, as a

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taxpayer, as I brought up earlier, you know, how do you feel if somebody comes up and knocks on every resident and said, "I want to get I want you to give me money because I'm going to give it to a for-profit organization so I can give them some land." You know, I'm we're just getting tired

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of buying land and then giving it away at taxpayer expense. If we were going to proceed with something, why don't we at least sell it so that we get our money back? Now, if we give it to a forprofit, what

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are they going to do? They're going to build on it and they're going to make the money and we're not. If anything, why don't we take it upon ourselves to control it, build what we think is necessary, manage it, and that way we can make the

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money. That way the taxpayers feel like our investment it amounts to something you and I heard the wet net come up earlier. I know there's people who qualified for that when it first opened who are still there and probably are not qualified. I'm sure that that's part of

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it. We haven't taken care of any of that. But as a taxpayer, I want to see our money used better. I'm not saying that we don't need affordable housing. I can't tell you how many teachers have come down and applied for jobs at Coral Shores and then when they found out how

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much it was going to cost to live here, they turned around and left. But the fact that we're going to be having so many, let's see what it is. I agree with Mayor Horton there. I think that we ought to at least put this off and really consider it. If they want to

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build something there, maybe we should sell it and get our money back. We're tired of being a give and no take. Thank you. Thank you, Joe. Are there any other speakers? Marty. >> Yep. Next up, Cheryl Coerson. >> I'm sorry. Who?

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>> Okay. Then, um, Sue Miller is signed up next. >> But we'll let Mr. Hammond go first. >> I'll I'll do it. I don't see anyone else here. So, um, very quickly, I'm on LPA and also, full disclosure, on Habitat board. Um, there is no better bang for

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your buck than Habitat for Humanity. It's just that simple. Um, I happen to be um the in-law of a niece and nephew that live back in that subdivision and I understand there's a pretty substantial

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petition that's already been passed around. They are very much and they would have been here but the length of the meeting caused many of them to bail >> uh because they had little kids. So, in any case, I'm older, so I can stay. Uh,

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but the the point being that I've heard over and over and over as an LPA member, why haven't you dealt with this? We want what Habitat presents as opposed to two big square boxes full of people. Um, and

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I'm all about hometown heroes and providing housing for them. And and uh, you know, I I've heard over and over and over young couples say we can't afford to live here. We have to move. And so,

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you know, we've heard that for years and Habitat is is is the best way to go, I believe, to you stretch the dollars both for village and for the community. So, thanks. Thank you, >> Marne. >> We'll need a motion to extend. >> Yeah, we're getting close to

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>> Oh, I need a motion to extend if I can. >> Motion to extend. >> How long do you want to do? >> 30 minutes. >> Sure. >> Okay. There's a motion to extend for 30 minutes. Can I have a second? >> Second. >> All right. All in favor? >> Let's do it.

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>> Okay. Next up would be Sue Miller. >> Sue. Sue Miller, lower Madakumbi representing the Islanda Community Alliance. I find it interesting that you're worried about the location not being close enough to

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places of business when we have over 2,000 workers a day coming by bus from the mainland. And so clearly in my mind, we need we need affordable housing. And I can understand

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putting it off because there are so many questions. First question I had is um who looked at the RFP before it was advertised because the RFP was too limiting

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and it should have been um a different document. Um, I think that that uh it is clear to me that we don't need references. Habitat scored very low

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because they didn't have references that weren't asked for. We don't need references from Habitat. We know what they do. They do a great job building homes here that are ownership homes to people that are

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long-term residents of the community that participate in our community that teach schools here that teach school here that that are are people that we want in our community to stay. Our community's problem right now is the

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lack of diversity that we're seeing getting worse and worse and worse. As the prices keep going up higher and higher, we have fewer and fewer people to live here, work here, and participate

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in our community. I have an idea and I think a lot of you have probably already seen my thought on the Machado dilemma and what really matters. The adjoining single family neighborhood

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matters. I think you'll all agree the hammock matters. Two of those lots have a beautiful hammock. Addressing the need for affordable homes for families that will become part of the community long term matters.

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Obstacle number one, the only BPASS allocations are for multifamily rentals and on-site management. Create a mechanism to to trade existing regular affordable allocations for early out places like the wet net, Windley Point,

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Chica Lodge, the eight units that haven't ever been used on Woods Avenue. There's also a um lobbyist that works here. Maybe we could trade in some of those 300 that we got for ones that

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don't have the same restrictions. Obstacle number two, protecting the natural environment of those two valued hammock lots. Use your available funding to remove exotics, improve the existing hardwood hammock on the two northernmost

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lots, and keep the ownership with the village. The proposals presented according to the minutes of the meeting of the selection committee. Both had their properties,

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their homes put on the two southernmost lots to leave the hammock. Why wouldn't we keep ownership of the hammock? Obstacle number three, compatibility of the property with the neighborhood

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single family community. Solution number three, develop only those two most scarified lots to the south. Four homes per lot as allowed. Eight single family homes using the allocations from solution one above.

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happy neighborhood, long-term families with ownership homes, and a chance to improve a beautiful hardwood hammock controlled and improved by the village. For council action, you can delay it or approve the Habitat for Humanity

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proposal tonight with an 8 home limit instead of their nine. Approve their ownership technique. Provide time to acquire appropriate affordable allocations. I think you can do that. The council could even consider making

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some minor improvements along the canal on the one of the hammock lots to create minimal dockage in a picnic area for the neighborhood. The Alamada Council can turn a serious neighborhood concern into a positive

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benefit for the community. Isn't that the right thing to do? Thank you. >> Thank you, Sue. Next up is Scott Goss. >> Beam me up, Scotty. >> I think I I'll only just take a couple minutes, but I probably only get three

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minutes because uh entity already spoke, but um I'll be brief. Uh Scott Goss, Plantation Key, executive director for Habitat uh for Humanity. Just wanted to just quickly clarify and just bring some more context for the for the Gardinian, the vacancies that that were mentioned. Um, I can tell you that there is not a day

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may rarely a day that goes by that we don't get phone calls seeking um, applications for those Gardinia homes. The demand for three-bedroom, two uh, two bath or um, affordable housing that is suitable for families is overwhelming. Um, our vacancies do still

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exist at Wley Point where there are two twos. Um, so the the in our in our understanding from what we see, the smaller the unit, the the less desire there is. There is just overwhelming demand for our 32s and and that's really what you know we we cater to to home

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ownership opportunities and and the people that the families that we partner with, yes, they have to do sweat equity between 250 and 350 hours. And uh and we have to be compassionate and work with them on that. Sometimes it takes some time because the people that that do

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partner with us, they usually are those uh those families that are both working, single fam, single parents, taking care of kids, trying to get, you know, be part of the community, doing all the things that they need to do just to survive down here and do sweat equity so that they can, you know, finish the

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process with us to get an affordable house and and call it home and give them a leg up and and not a handout. And that that's our model and that's what we we serve. We see that there's a still a demand, a major demand for those families down here. Thank you. >> Thank you, Scott.

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>> There are no other speakers. >> Is that it? >> That's it. Is there anyone else that would like to speak? Help yourself. >> Hi, I'm Angela Row. I live on Airstream Lane. Um,

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one of the major problems we have with our street is our trash trucks, our fire trucks, our ambulances, anything. A boat comes down that road, it's one way, they have to back all the way out of that entire street and it curves at the very

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end. And then you're going to add what eight more houses, you know, and that the last proposal that we saw looked better to have the two vacant lots have homes on

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them, but if you start adding up how many vehicles we're getting in there, it's crazy. And I always, you know, have to wait forever just to go to work in marathon every day at that stop sign

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because the traffic is so bad. So, it's kind of a bad location. And what I do for a living for years has been subdivisions. And I don't see how you can adequately

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drive or um provide driveways into that many lots or a road going around, you know, what was originally proposed to get in there. There's just not enough space. So,

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I would hate for anything to go through um for all of this development without serious thought on what you're doing and I appreciate you um you know opposing it at the time.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Don, guys, speak real quick. >> Scott Captain, you're up. >> Okay. Uh, Richard Black, >> I mean Richard, I'm sorry. >> Alamada. Um, I just wanted to speak on a couple things, Deb. I know you huge

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concern on on single people coming down to work. Um, if you ask the majority of employees that that at least that I've spoke to that work down here for construction crews and just in our hospitality, they actually prefer to live north. And let me also remind that

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there's 6,000 new homes being built 45 minutes away. So those are also going to be added to our workforce because those people are going to come down here and work too. So before we jump right into this project, I think we need to evaluate, let these other ones get

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finished and completed. Um, and still look at our long-term. You know, I I think they spoke that we need three twos. That's the most soughta thing. So maybe we need to go back to uh the county and see if we can trade these out to make this work for us. So thanks.

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>> Thank you. It would be going to the state by the way, Captain, but not to the county. >> And I never said that I wanted all singles. >> Come on up. Introduce yourself. And >> hi. Um Jill Marvel. Um actually 162 and

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158 air. >> Can you Thank you. >> Jill Marvel 162 and 158 Airstream. Um just a couple um points. Um you talked about um postage size lots.

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Um so my concern as a homeowner on the street is density. Um you're just going to add, you know, 10 more cars, maybe 20 more cars, maybe 30 more cars to our one little tiny street coming out of Airstream Lane, all trying to go north

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and south on US1. Um, so I definitely think there's a lot more thought that needs to go into this project. Um, I'm also not opposed to affordable housing. I I mean, I think it's wonderful. Actually, I I sell real estate in Miami Dade and Monroe County.

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I'm working with two current young first-time home buyers. I think young people still want to buy single family homes. That is the American dream. I would disagree with some of the things council said. Um anyway, I just I think it would be, you know, very valuable to

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just put in more thought into what actually should go on this property before we just again add density to an already congested area. So, thank you for your time. >> Thank you. That's it. >> Come on. Last call, somebody.

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>> Yes, ma'am. Come on. >> Don't be shy. Only Anna is the one that'll bite, so don't worry about it. >> Hi, Samantha Bower. I live on Monroe Drive, right across from Arish Dream. And, you know, I do feel a little bit more qualified to speak on behalf of

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young people in this community. Um, we are looking to buy houses. I think one this area is not a great idea for it for the nature of the hammocks that's already been spoken about, but I've been um working at the Florida Keys Children's Shelter for the past four

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years and I don't qualify for the affordable housing in the area because I don't make enough money. Affordable housing is a great idea in theory, but when we're talking about helping the working people of this community, we don't make enough money for those opportunities. We're not looking to rent

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anymore. We put put most of our salary into our rentals as is. So, I don't have the money to buy one of the houses. With that being said, too, with my job, you know, we're talking about how grateful we are for the people who work with the community and the students and at the

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high school. I'm a community- based counselor, so I get to work in the schools as well as at the shelter. And it that's just not the case. Like, that's not I'm sorry. This makes me nervous. Um, >> it's all good. It's all good.

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>> But yes, this is my first uh meeting down here and it's just it's just really upsetting um to see that this is the solution for it. I don't know the pricing exactly, but every other affordable housing that I've applied for I cannot make. And it has been my dream

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to own a house here in this community because there are so many children without parents, without houses to live in. We have a shortage of foster parents and it's been not accessible for myself to move into a

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house with multiple bedrooms so I could foster the kids in this community that are also in need of homes. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Well, last call. Anyone else want to step up?

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All right. Thank you'all so much. Um, there's a motion on a floor and a second. >> Yep. >> Marty, will we call the role? >> Can we say what it is again? >> It's been reject The motion is to The motion is to reject both proposals.

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>> Yeah. Motion to reject all bids. >> Okay. Mayor Don Morton, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney, >> yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman, >> yes. >> Council member De Gillis, >> no. and council member Anna Richards. >> Yes.

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>> The motion passes 4 to one. >> All right. The uh tab 13 was deferred. Uh tab 14 is a resolution of the village council of Lamar Village of Islands, Florida approving a purchase from Precision Electronic Services, Inc. for two variable frequency drives and

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ratifying expenditures incurred from Precision uh from Precision Electronic Services, Inc. for purchases to date and approval of additional expenses. Authorizing the village manager to expend budgeted funds. authorized the village manager to execute the work authorizations providing for a waiver of competitive bidding and providing for an effective date.

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>> All right, good evening. I'll try to keep these short. Uh the proposed VFDs um that we have here will replace the existing spares that we have already put into service. Uh these VFDs are refurbished units and will be utilized as new spare units uh for our vacuum

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pump stations. Maintaining these back backup systems is a critical to ensure immediate replacement capability in the event of a system failure um and keep continuity of service. Uh the two different size VFDs that are needed uh

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the larger one is uh for our LMK sewage pumps. It's a dual stage pumps and it's a higher horsepower pump and then the other one will be utilized at all our other pumps as a backup system. If you have any questions, let me know.

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>> Yep. >> So, both of these units are refurbished units. >> Yes. >> Yes. Our our system is aging and part of the capital improvement projects um that we had mentioned earlier this evening.

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Uh we'll be uh analyzing these systems and looking at at future replacements. >> Yeah. I thought when you and I talked that of course it was short because we were both on deadlines. >> Correct. >> Uh that one was refurb refurbished and

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one was new. Um >> they are both refurbished. U one is up to 100 horsepower and one's only for 25 horsepower. >> Okay. And you have or are providing for

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um the rate study committee the future needs. You've already talked with Tom about this correct stuff. >> Yes, these items are in our capital >> view. I think you told me that we have approximately 20 of them. >> Uh yeah. So I actually looked at them. We have closer to 30.

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>> 30. That's even worse. I mean, >> yes. >> Okay. That's all I want to know. >> Steve, >> anything? >> Nope. Anna, vice mayor, not a thing. Anybody want to

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make a motion? >> You need public comment. >> Oh, we do. Let's do public comment. >> We don't have anyone signed up for public comment. >> In that case, I'll make a motion to approve. >> Let's move it along. Second. >> Motion to second.

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>> Council member Doug Gillis. >> Yes. >> Council member Anna Richards. >> Yes. >> Council member Steve Friedman. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. The motion passes 5-0. >> All right. 15 is a resolution of village

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council of Marta Village, Florida, ratifying purchases from uh Fordine Waterworks from the beginning of fiscal year 2025 to 2026 through April 2026. Authorizing additional purchases through the end of fiscal year 2025 to 2026. Authorizing village manager to expend budget funds approving a waiver of

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competitive bidding and providing for an effective date. >> All right, >> you're up again, AJ. >> That's it. Uh Fordine is one of the village's primary suppliers for pipe materials uh for the wastewater department. Uh these include pipe uh repair couplers, valves and other items

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needed uh for both new infrastructure and repairs. Uh we compare prices with multiple vendors and always go with the lowest vendor. Uh Foreline has had lower prices a lot more than the other vendors. So we have spent more money with Foreline. Um this is why we are

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requesting to ratify the existing purchases and increase our not to exceed from 30,000 to just a little over 80,000. Um included in this request is the ININD project that we spoke about earlier this evening. Um this is a required project

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that uh for the D's consent order. The INC project will include SCADA monitoring of six of our ARV valves along our conveyance force main from the transfer station to uh Kargo's wastewater treatment. Um it'll monitor any irregularities in the operation as

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far as air um the time, how many times it it fires, things of that nature. um we'll actually be able to utilize this data to uh to see if there are any additional issues and part of that report that will be brought back uh

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early this fall. Um this project uh specifically has an additional material cost of a little over 20,000 and is included in that that increase. Have any questions? >> Council, any questions? AJ?

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AJ, you say that this is an unbudgeted item and staff will present a budget amendment to increase the wastewater account accordingly. Where are you going to find the money? >> It's within the it so it's it's listed as that but it is so like I said we have

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multiple vendors. So when we come to you guys with not to exceeds that includes Ferguson and some other vendors those are well under that limit. So it's kind of shifting that money from one vendor to another. The unbudgeted item is the 20,000 that's in the consent order.

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>> Okay. Council, >> is there any uh public comment on this item? >> No, sir. >> Council, any discussion? Is there a motion? >> I'll make a motion to approve. >> You could have just told him no. And

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>> I just told him that. >> Second and move along. >> Second to move along. Very good. Um, Marty, will you call the role? >> Council member Deb Gillis, >> yes. >> Council member Anna Richard, >> yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney, >> yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton,

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>> I guess. So, >> the motion passes in 5 bill. >> Money, money, money. >> I know. That's what it's always about. >> 16 is a resolution of the village council of Alamara Village, Florida, approving the grant award agreement uh number FM21246 between Alamada Village of Islands and the Florida Department of

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Financial Services to provide reimbursement funding up to $360,000 for the purchase of a fireboat. Authorizing village manager to execute the agreement. Authorizing village officials to implement the terms and conditions of the agreement. Authorizing village manager to expend budget funds and providing an effective date.

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>> Terry Aable is on Zoom. Oh my. He's on. >> Has he been there all night? >> He's on Zoom. >> Okay, Terry, you're out. He's been there all night. >> Terry, do you have a presentation for us? >> I have been. It's It's pretty painful from the hotel room. I'm not going to lie.

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>> No, you're going to have to come twice as much now that you're not here in person. >> He's got a mini bar, though. >> Yeah, >> I wish. Uh, so what you guys have before you is uh the third step in the boat process. uh late uh 24, early 25, we

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came to you guys asking for permission to file for an appropriation of which we did for the purchase of a fireboat. Um and then early in July, late June, early July of 25, we were notified by the state fire marshall's office that the

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appropriation was approved come July 1. Uh at that time we are also mid-budget process for the 2526 cycle of which the money for the matching portion and the upfront cost of the boat which is 360 was put in and approved into the budget

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come October 1. Uh come November, we made the purchase of the boat with a not to exceed at 275. Uh we're currently at a at a contract price of a little over 230 which is well under the budgeted not to exceed. Um, and definitely underneath the

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appropriations level, there is some matching funds that's required for the appropriation, but that can be covered by manning, by staffing, and by other aspects that we've been doing the entire time. That's going to apply to both this boat and our current boat as well. Uh,

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so this is just the grant agreement for what has already been in motion for um almost a year now. This is just the final actual grant agreement uh signing for the boat that we hope to have in uh delivery within the next 3 to four

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weeks. Uh and that being said, it's pretty simple. Again, it's just paperwork for the third step and here if you have any questions, >> council, any questions of Terry? >> Nope. Okay. Is there any public comment?

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>> No, sir. >> Do we have a motion? >> Motion to approve. Got a motion to approve. Can I have a second? >> Second. >> Marty, will you call the role? >> Council member Anna Richards. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman.

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>> Yes. >> Council member Deb Gillis. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. >> That motion passes 5-0. >> Off to 17. >> 17 is a resolution. >> Thank you, Council. I apologize for having to come via Zoom. Have a good evening. It's a resolution of the village council of Marta Village of Island, Florida, approving residential

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BPass rankings and awarding residential uh building permit allocations for quarter 1 of 2026 and providing an effective date. >> Good evening, council. Um this is your uh first quarter 2026 residential market rate building permit allocation. Um pursuant to section 30-475, the code of

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ordinances, the council is required to take action after reviewing the building permit allocation system evaluation report. Pursuant to resolution 25-11-125 adopted on November 13, 2025, one market rate residential allocation was made

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available for 2026 through BPASS. One market rate without land dedication is available for distribution in quarter 1 of 2026. And at the close of quarter 1 in 2026, um, and there was a typo here, it's 39 applications for market rate

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residential permits, we're in the BPAS Q awaiting building permit allocations awards. The market rate residential applications have been evaluated, scored, and ranked according to the criteria outlined in the village code section 30-476. And the application rank for approval is

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permit number PRSFC 2021000688 with 20 points submitted by Jacqueline Ren Ecklum on August 5th, 2021 at 207 p.m. for parcel ID 0043380-000000. Pros proposed resolution approves the

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residential BP pass rankings and awarding market rate permit number building permit allocation for quarter 1 of 2026. And as an FYI, this would be our last uh market rate allocation that we would award at this time. We have no

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more until we receive um whatever we would receive from the county um of the 900 that was given to us. Um so at this time the the staff recommends that you award u approve the resolution and award this market rate allocation.

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>> So thank you uh council any discussion. This is the last BP pass allocation. >> This is it >> and um where are we at on the ones that we're going to receive from the >> um yes I have a call with commerce about

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um another issue on Thursday and I plan to they want to talk about how we're going to receive those. So, I'm going to ask them when they want to set that call up as well. So, I'll know more later this week. >> Do you anticipate that to be a a comp

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plan change that has to happen to where we can Yes. how those are going to get allocated? >> Yes. >> And are we going to be able to have time to put that into this current comp plan >> so that we're not doing a revision to our current comp plan that we're working on? >> It will definitely go in the the

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working. The question would be um do we want to do it before that gets adopted? Um because but depending on what we think about SP80 and if we're going to wait till October, we haven't fully fleshed all that out yet because of SP

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180. So, um we may want to do it sooner than that, I would assume. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh is there any public comment? >> I think Deb has a question. >> Excuse me. I think Dan has a question. >> Okay, hang on. Dave, is there any public comment? >> Yes, Sue Miller would like to speak.

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>> Sue, >> did you miss me? Sue Miller, Laura Matakumbi, I just um had a question about the format of the um list remaining in BPAS. Yeah,

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>> it was um in the in the agenda package there was a whole bunch of garbage. >> Yeah, it was um >> and I didn't understand whether it was whether it was something I needed to know about. >> No, there was that's just additional like um rows in the Excel spreadsheet

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that normally doesn't get seen by anyone and it wasn't there was a a mistake was >> so I don't need to know about it. No, >> thank you. Any other public comment? >> No, sir. >> Deb, you had a comment? >> I did. I'm not sure. It's not too late

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that I forgot it already. Um, >> you we got we got six minutes. We have plenty. >> No. Um, it was related to Oh, the 72. Um, if we do if we do a comp plan

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change for the current comp plan, not the one we're working on, the current one, doesn't that take like four months? And isn't that going to put us all the way to October? And if we wait and see how this is going in October, we've still got four months that we're going

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to need to do a comp plan change. Right. You following what I'm I think I follow what you're saying. You're saying if we if we do one in the current comp plan, isn't that going to take us to the time frame it would take us to adopt the but but what I was I maybe didn't so

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eloquently say because it's almost 10:30 at night um is that um we still haven't really discussed John and I I don't think have really discussed the effects of SP 180 and how that would play on our new comp plan and whether or not um

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>> when we'd get that >> when we would be able to fully adopt the comp plan and whether it would have to wait till October of 2027 which could be a problem. My recommendation would be that we do this we we make we adopt this with our

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current um comp plan and then also incorporate it into the one that's coming in um which may be delayed as a result of SP 180 would likely will be delayed. >> But at this point of time at this point in time we don't know when we're getting it. So we can't decide how to do or I

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suppose we could decide but we just can't turn it in until we get the new allocations. Right. >> Correct. And we also want to work with commerce to make sure that they're comfortable with the mechanism that we're we're creating so that it makes it smooth on the back end when when it gets approved. If it gets approved,

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>> uh the allocations are there. We just have to have a law in order to get them. >> They've already given us the alloc. I mean, they've already said the allocations are there, but we have to have a comp plan and LDRs in order to >> for them to bring them to us.

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>> So, the 900 have been allocated to the county. >> They have been allocated. >> Mhm. Yes, but they not have the county hasn't gotten a mechanism to allocate them to us yet is what I understood. Maybe I've got that wrong. >> The county's doing a comp plan amendment

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as well to be able to get their >> part of that and then the conversation I have to have with commerce about how we accept them and how that looks in our comp plan. >> All right. So sooner than later, we ought to at least have a conversation cuz we know somewhere along the way,

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>> we will get 72. >> Yeah, that's why we need to start working on that now. >> Yes, that's that's where I'm going with this. >> Yeah. Not waiting until after, but do it now >> so that when it all flows together, I think we're going to have an argument

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with Senate Bill 180 regardless. and because a lot of the things in our new comp plan are going to be considered, you know, more stricter or whatever, however that word is that they use. So anyway, um >> back to the subject of hand tonight.

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>> Right. Right. So we've got we need a motion >> motion to approve the grand finale to a great person. >> Very good. >> And I'll second that. >> Marty, will we call the role? >> Council member Anna Richards. Yes.

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>> Council member Deb Gillis. >> Yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yep. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. >> And motion passes 5-0. >> Hang in there, Hattie. We're almost to you, kiddo. Hang in there. >> Before I begin, we'd have to extend again. >> Extend again.

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>> 15 minutes. >> Motion to extend 15 minutes. >> Motion to extend 15 minutes. Now, now you're under the clock. >> All right. So um 18 is a resolution of the village council of Alam Marta village of Vi Islands Florida approving non-residential building permit allocation system rankings and awarding non-residential building permit

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allocations for quarter 1 of 2026 and providing for an effective date. >> So this is your approval of the first quarter of 2026 non-residential building permit allocation. Um uh pursuant to code section 30-475, the village council is required to act after reviewing the

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building permit allocation system evaluation report. The remaining available total of non-residential square feet for allocation in 2026 is 47,164 square ft. This is the first allocation for 2026. There is one application for non-residential be passed in the queue

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awaiting award in quarter 1. The proposed resolution approves the non-residential building permit allocation system ranking and award pursuant to comprehensive plan policy 1-3.1.11 and village code section 30-476. One non-residential application was

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submitted in quarter 1. The application from the non-residential BP pass category is recommended for approval and is identified as PRC OB 20241185 Pines of Palms Resort LLC. The date of the application was 33126

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on parcel number 004509-00002000. Uh the floor area requested by the applicant is 177 square ft. If approved, 46,987 square feet of non-residential floor area will remain in Bass for allocation. At this time, staff recommends approval

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of the allocation of non-residential Bass. >> Okay. Any uh we'll open it up to public comment. Marne, is there any? >> No. >> Okay. Is there any council discussion? What's the 177 ft for? Can I ask that? >> I believe it's for a bathroom. >> For a bathroom.

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>> Mhm. >> Okay. Very good. Do I have a motion to approve a bathroom at the pumps? Make a motion to approve the square footage. >> Square footage. Do I have a second? We have a second. Motion second. Marley, will you call the role? >> Council member Deb Gillis. >> Yes. >> Council member Anna Richard.

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>> Yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. >> Motion passes 5. >> It's the Hattie show. 19 is an ordinance on first reading. It's an ordinance by Lorona Village amending chapter 2

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administration article 2- Roman 4 finance division 24-2 purchasing amending section 2-36 authority of village manager to update the signing authority of checks amending section 2-37 guidelines to provide for increased amounts and purchasing authority

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providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code and providing for an effective date >> good evening council we're all still awake um so I'm bringing this to you guys just because um our thresholds haven't been updated since 2007. Uh this

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would increase the purchasing authority to $50,000. Um it would align with pure municipalities, improve operational efficiency. It would it would remove a lot of items from uh your agendas um and create a lot more

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efficiency for staff. So let me know if you have any questions. Uh, council. Any questions of Patty? >> Okay. >> Only if you're going to oversee him. >> Oh, yeah. You know it.

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>> Question. >> All right. Uh, is there any public comment? >> I guess I I guess I have something. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Hey, I I appreciate the extra information that you sent us recently uh about this because I I was a bit concerned that the $50,000 just sort

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of seemed to be random, kind of taken out of thin air. I don't necessarily adhere to the comps either. You know, Marathon's very different than than Marada, friends. >> It's difficult to find good comps. >> And and I and I understand the concept

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here. It's going to make staff's life a little bit easier. might make our life a little bit easier. But um in in the end, I think that there is an argument to be made to to raise it maybe to say 30 or 35,000 because I happen to believe that

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I think some bids come in under that so they can expedite it. I think that we get a lot of and and that was one of the things I wanted to see is h how many how how many um uh per how many thresholds were somewhere in between 25 to 50,000. I didn't get to see that information

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because I think if we go to 50,000 we're we're going to get a lot that are $49.95 now instead of you know obviously the 25,000 is different than 50. I hope you understand what I'm saying this late date something that's going to be underneath what the threshold is that he

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can immediately sign a check for without coming to council. So that that's just my my take on it. we would still be abiding by all of our purchasing guidelines, still going out for bids, still getting quotes, every nothing else would change for that. Um and our

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thought process was you know just if you you're approving all these items in the budget already for example just not to exceeds for the year for I mean two of the items that AJ just presented were vendors that he had to come back and get further approval

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for because he just exceeded that $25,000. And realistically, a lot of these items are very expensive and it would just create >> and already budget already in the budget >> and already approved in the budget. Yes. >> And still gone through the procurement

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process with a bidding through the bid and all. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Yeah. I I I think I understand that. I think it's just sort of a a mechanism for uh transparency for the public to to see how these things get um done before,

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you know, after the fact. It doesn't seem to be to be burdensome to come back if it's a do not if it if it exceeded the original amount. So, um I I'm not going to die on this hill, but I I just wanted to put my two cents in that I think that, you know, maybe somewhere in

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between 25 and 50,000 might be a little bit more appropriate to start out. We can come back next year and maybe increase that if we see that there's significant amount of purchasing above that. >> Yeah, >> I think I think we ought to go with the

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50. Um over the course of what how long ago? 2007. >> That's what I thought. >> Uh things have uh we all have seen it in our own businesses, our own lives. Prices have almost doubled. So even

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though I was buying a gallon of bleach or whatever, uh 7 years ago, that same money won't buy a gallon of bleach these days. Uh so if you're buying one on one, you're still buying one, but it's a whole lot more money today. So I I

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really think we ought to move this up. I appreciate your thought uh of that, but um since it's been 2007, I I think we ought to move it to 50. 2007 the price for a square foot for a

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house back in 2007 was about $250 a square foot. It's about over six over $600 a square foot right now. So that the prices have gone up. That's not a Rainman thing. It's just the old guy in a room. So anyway,

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um is there any public Thank you, Caddyy. Is there any public comment? >> Sue Miller. >> Sue. No, I don't I don't blame you, sir. Okay. All right. Public comments closed. Is there a motion to approve? >> I'll make a motion to approve.

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>> Is there a second? >> I'll second it. >> Motion second. Marty, will you please call a role? >> Council member Debbillis. >> Yes. >> Council member Anna Richards. >> Yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton.

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>> Yes. >> That motion passes 5-0. >> Okay. Come on, guys. You got Yep. >> Number 20. Uh, it's an ordinance of Alamar Village, Florida, creating chapter 66 waterways, article one in general, section 66-4, restricted

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activities in public and private marinas of the village code to create a humanpowered vessel and non- vessel activity exclusion zone in public and private marinas, providing for severability, providing for inclusion in the code, and providing for an effective date. Um, if you all recall, this was before you all maybe seven or eight

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months ago. Hi, >> there was a request um there were some issues in terms of uh uh swimming in marinas that were creating uh health safety hazards. Um and there was a request to uh by at least one of the

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marinas to to create no swimming and no uh humanpowered vessel zones um uh in the marinas and uh that came back before you. council asked to uh bring it back at a future date after discussion had

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been had with the other marinas um which I believe is what Mr. Harris can can speak uh speak to. Uh and uh so this has now been uh vetted and discussed with the other marinas uh within the village as well. >> Very good. >> Thank you for that intro. That was uh

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where you left it off the last time. He wanted to find out what other marinas other than Robbies was having this problem and to get a consensus from them before bringing an ordinance back that occurred. Um, I've reached out to 13

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marinas and restaurants like Laurelai, people on the water that experience a lot of boat traffic and everybody that I talked to uh, agreed with the ordinance and I asked them to please give me their logo so I could attach it to the letter. Instead of it looking like the

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Declaration of Independence with 13 signatures from people you may or may not recognize, I provided a letter that has those signatures. Um, one one hitch in the in this wagon was that we also took it to nearshore water quality and or nearshore water. And so when

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nearshore water heard it, we were lucky enough to have uh sheriff uh officer Nelson there to review the ordinance and he raised a concern about the enforcability as it applied to humanpowered vessels. So some of that

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language still remains in the draft. you have if you're going to and I I promised Diane I said go home Diane I'll I can handle this part so that if you wanted to accept the recommendation from nearshore water it would be to remove the sections that deal with humanpowered

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vessels because Nelson said those would be almost impossible to enforce because you couldn't selectively enforce humanpowered vessels that you wanted to have there versus the ones that were uh fishing in there and causing a problem. So he said you should just take it out.

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So whatever whatever your pleasure is if you want to take it out I will make sure that it's taken out and then I will provide that to Ron and to to John and make sure that all those references are taken out. Um otherwise we leave them in there and the one that's before you have

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some removed and some still in there. So it's it was the product of the day after the nearshore water quality uh meeting. So, whatever you want to do, I will make the changes and get them to staff. >> I got a question then. So, we would be

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approving an ordinance creating no swimming in marinas. >> That is correct, sir. >> And so, you'd still be able to do a kayak and a paddle board. >> Yes, you kayak. >> You still be able to fish? >> Yes, unfortunately. But what it's going to do is it's going to remove the the

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the folks that are coming in from land and walking waiting in to the different marinas. And it's not just Robbies that's had this issue and are fishing. You you've heard about the you know the problems that they've had in front of the the flat at Robbies. This is also

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happening in two or three other marinas. Um, and this is the best we can do at enforcing um or at least curtailing some of the bad behavior. We can't can't do it all because it's all you navigable waters or

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exclusive jurisdiction of the state. We can't tell people they can't fish from a kayak, unfortunately, which is what we were trying to do. And Nelson said bad idea. So, that probably needs to come out of the ordinance. But the the snorkeling and the, you know, and the

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swimming and the waiting, we can still regulate. And that's what this ordinance will do. Um, we'll we'll target it to the areas that Nelson says the sheriff's department feels comfortable enforcing, and that is about as good as we're going to be able to get.

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Um, >> but this letter that you had signed by these other 12 uh businesses or marinas specifically talked about getting rid of day trippers and paddle board and kayak and swimming and waiting and all of

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those things. >> That is correct because that letter uh was drafted before we went to nearshore water. >> So would they still be in agreement with us just get rid of so it just says no swimming? There were representatives at nearshore water and u

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anglers angller's house was there and they're not even a signature to the letter. They were there in support and they understood the reason that that needed to come out of the ordinance. >> Okay. Is there any public comment? >> Um no

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>> council comment. >> Okay. Well >> the letter >> the letter >> did that come separate? It was not. It was It was just handed to me. >> We We only had one copy that was received this evening. >> I had asked for a copy >> the other day.

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>> I wonder I'm frantically looking for the >> Yeah, it wasn't in your packet. So I brought >> I asked for because remember we asked was there buyin from other marinas and so tire scrambled around to get these other marinas to sign off. >> And of course my printer

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>> they plagiarized their logos so they put them I I plagiarize their logos with their permission. >> Very good. Thank you, sir. >> Thanks for the clarification. Anyway, uh is so there's a proposal to create an

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ordinance for no swimming in marinas. I is there a motion? notes. >> I think as long as the marinas are all involved are into it and nearshore and sheriff's office is all in agreement to

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whatever they draft then. >> Okay. >> Motion to move forward with that. >> Motion to approve. >> I'll second. >> Excluding the humanities. >> That's why that's why I read it that way. All we're doing is Orange Craig. No swimming in marinas.

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>> And this is a an ordinance. So we'll see it on a second read. Correct. >> Yes, >> that's correct. Yes. >> And we'll see the revisions. >> So we'll see the revisions before a second read. >> Yes, ma'am. >> So I I'll sec I think you first. >> Right.

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>> Motion in a second. Marty, will you call the role? >> I'm sorry. Remind me who made the motion. >> Me. >> Uh Anna did. >> Thank you. >> That's a yes. >> Deb made the second. >> Okay. So council member and Richards. Yeah.

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>> Yes. >> And council member Deb Gillis. >> Yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. >> The motion passes 5. >> You got one minute. Are we going to do this? >> We're not. We're

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>> I'll make a motion to extend 10 minutes. >> 10 minutes. >> We won't be here 10 minutes. >> You're killing me. >> We could be. >> Go and go. Two. >> Good news is the two are are companions. One's a uh comp plan and one's a uh TV

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um uh LDR. Uh it's uh 21 is an ordinance of Mara village of Islands Florida amending policy 1-3.1.3 institute a program for transfer of development rights of the roatic uh comprehensive plan by amending procedures and eligibility criteria for the transfer of development rights

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providing for the transmitt of this ordinance to the state department of commerce providing for severability providing for conflicts and providing for an effective date upon approval of this ordinance by the state department of commerce. >> Good evening everyone. And how's everyone's thinking going tonight?

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>> You're wasting time. You're wasting time. >> Be careful. Be careful what you say. >> Um, as um John clearly stated, this is uh our ordinance, our comp plan amendment and our LDR for the TDR banking that was requested um by council

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that we move are moving forward. So, as you may remember, we've had some situations come up where property owners have development rights on their property that they'd like to um sell the property, but they don't know what to do with the property, right? The development rights. So, we are trying to

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institute this banking program um or registration program, whatever you want to call it, um that would allow greater flexibility for the owners of the TDRs. Um so um the attached um comp plan amendment does that and then the ordinance uh spells out the more

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specifics of the of the application process. Um it does uh require that they apply to the village include a habitat analysis with the application and that a GOIA will be required on the sender site um in the hammock areas uh the tropical

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hardwood hammock areas of the cinder site. Um and the site shall be maintained free of all invasive exotic vegetation. Um at the meeting at its meeting on February 23rd, 2026, LPVA voted unanimously on both uh uh

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ordinances for approval, recommending approval. So, um there's really not much else to say unless you have questions. I'm here to answer them. >> Council, any questions of staff? I got a question. >> I got an answer. I've got a 100 by 100

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ft lot and I have a 20ft swath of of native trees. >> Yes, sir. >> Uh, is that a hammock? >> Well, without seeing a a a habitat analysis and a veg survey, I can't tell you that, sir. >> So, if would a habitat and Daniel is

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very familiar with hi. So Daniel is if I have 100 foot lot >> and I have a 20 foot by 20 foot area on there that is thickly vegetated with native trees but it's 400 square foot

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out of a 100 by 100 area. Is that a hammock? >> The habitat analysis is required as part of the process. >> Would the habitat analysis call that a hammock? >> I don't know. No, I'm not the biologist, the private biologist that's calling that hammock. So,

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>> how many of you hi have you reviewed >> lots? It's got to be over 300 of this. >> Have you ever seen one that would call a 20 by 20 swat on a 100 by 100 lot a hammock? >> No, that would more likely be disturbed

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with hammock. >> Disturbed with hammock. And so because they would take the property in its totality in order to come up with the property uh a hammock or not, >> right? Every property is unique. So we, you know, we'd have to take a look at it. But if the rest is scarified and

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there's only a 20ft swath, then it's unlikely that it would be hammock. >> I don't like the term unlikely. >> Well, the the two adjacent lots next to it that you didn't tell me are high quality hammock and this connects them. Then you know, each property is different. and all of a sudden it would.

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So if I had a house on there and it was 20 by 20 and it was disturbed with hammock, I could go in there and added do an addition on my house and I could clear and pay mitigation or replant for what I've cleared so that I could do that addition.

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>> Right. Disturb with hammock is less than uh low, medium, or high quality hammock. And there's no conservation ement required for disturb with hammock. So would you require on something like that a conservation easement on a 100 by 100 lot if I was to clear

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10 by 10 out of that 20 by 20 would you require >> if it if the 20x 20 hypothetical area is not hammock then there's no easement required >> but that would also be be called a hammock if the next door neighbor was a hammock undisturbed piece of property

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>> it all depends on that hi we get as part of the application process >> okay all All right. I can't approve it that way. I mean, I think the word hammock has gotten so bastardized through the years that we now have the ability to take somebody and make them

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lock up a small piece of their property in a conservation easement when we've continued to make lawb breakakers out of our citizens by locking up properties in a conservation easements for um there were years ago that I actually had

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lengthy discussions with the state And the state agreed at some point to allow those people on these postage size stamp lots, the 60 by 110s, the 70 by hundreds to release themselves from the h from the

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uh goas that were placed on those lots because they recognized that people still have to live on their pieces of property. And so for it, we don't really accomplish anything by locking up a 20x 20 little piece of of of area. And it's

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just too wide open for for maybe not you, but the next biologist or the biologist after that that's going to start doing this to people when there's really not a reason to. Right. >> I remember there was a city biologist one time many years ago when I was

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trying to change a piece of property on the old road that be declared that piece of property where the guy is building a tennis court right now a hammock. when the invasive exotic task force would train on that piece of property and it

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had seven native trees on it and the remainder of that 200x 400 piece of property was was invasive exotics but she called it a hammock >> and and so it's all left up to the discretion. I I think we ought to I

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personally think we ought to fine-tune this code to where it's not so ownorous on people where somebody can just say, "Ah, it's a hammock." You know, oh, next door is a hammock, so I'm going to call this part a hammock. I just don't think that's fair on the on the citizens of

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Alam Rock. So, I Anyway, that's just me. Sorry, >> it's late. >> I know it's late, but it's just not right. >> Say you're late. Anyway, is there any public comment? >> Yes. >> Yes, sir. >> Sue Miller. >> Sue,

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>> hold up. Motion to extend. >> Oh, no. >> Yeah. It was at 10:44. It was at 10:44 where we said 10 minutes. >> Okay. >> There's >> 11:00. Five minutes. >> I'm done. I'm done. I'm sorry.

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>> Sue, carry on. We're good till 11. >> What if I talk slow? So I think I think that there are too many questions that I have about this. I don't know whether you completely

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confused me with your conversation, but I fear the exact opposite of what you're worried about. I say, "What happens if someone comes in? If you remember the property that's on the south side of

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Gimpy Gulch, that I think is classified as a hammock. And yet that that property used to be mowed when I moved here. >> It did. You're right. and and so so if

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you're letting a property sit with the TDR on the property, we have a danger of people scarifying it intentionally to do what you're saying when I say we need to make sure that property is

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protected because if it's in a hammock type environment, the hammock will come back even if it's scarified. If you take that look at that property, it's a beautiful hammock that was once bulldo

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or mowed. And um and so if you're letting a a vacant property that's sitting right next to a hammock um sit, the hammock is going to return >> maybe. And the TDR banking does not um

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address enough of the TDR in my opinion. What about density? Are you are you going to bank density or are you just going to bank building rights? It just refers to

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TDRs. It doesn't refer to what type of TDR. I just I thought I I thought that whole thing was just so confusing. I didn't know what it was talking about. Thank you. I don't think I don't think you should separate a building right from a property.

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>> I got you. Way I look at it, Sue, is we got a basket of marbles >> and that basket is just about full. All of our allocations are gone and the basket is full. It doesn't matter if you move a marble from the bottom of the basket to the top of the basket, still

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the same number of marbles. and and that's what we're doing with TDRs, but you would be retiring the the development right on the property that it comes from going to the other one. So, you're not it's you're still keeping

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the basket with the same number of marbles. You see what I'm saying? >> Yeah. Yeah. But but aren't we going to develop a new comprehensive plan shortly and we might have limits on the way we

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transfer TDRs. Isn't Isn't it important to create diversity in a to to preserve diversity in a community? Right now, you look at the number of TDRs that have been

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transferred from 400 square ft dwelling units that become 8,000 square foot homes. And that is changing the diversity of our community. And perhaps our new comp plan should address that.

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So, so until we figure out how to protect the diversity of Alam Marada, I don't think we should mess with TDRs. >> Well, a house is a house. And there's I mean, there's houses all over Alamada that have gone from two from small to

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large. There's lots of them on Carol Street that happen to um there's there's houses all over the place that there's no one would no one would stop if I had a 500 foot house on my piece property in any harbor. No one would stop me from

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turning that into a 2,000t house. >> I mean, I could go in tomorrow and get a permit to expand that. >> Yeah, that's perfectly legal. But I'm saying maybe maybe that's something that we should consider shouldn't be done the same way we're doing it now. >> Well, maybe that's the discussion we

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should have when we bring Able City back. >> Right. Exactly. Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. Is there any other public comment? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Is there a motion to >> Yeah.

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>> Just I I know if I could just have 30 seconds. Um, >> so we uh this came at the direction of council to create this banking system. Yes. >> And Jennifer and I worked really hard on it to try to get it >> to accomplish the tasks the task that

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was tasked of us and also get it to a level that we think Congress can improve it. So, and I would also add that the environmental protections in this is the same exact protections that already exists in the TDR code. is just transferred over to this new program

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that now falls within the TDR code. >> Thank you. >> And um the the other point I would make too uh to Mr. Mayor about the conver the conversation regarding the single family lots that are posted stamp with goas that is an internal conversation we've

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been having. I don't speak for Jennifer. I speak for myself and that I agree with you that it doesn't accomplish the intent of the code to have a 5-ft ring around a property that's 100 by60 that is protected under Goia. It's complicated to try to solve that

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problem. Um, but that is discussions we're having internally. And if you would like to have further conversations, I would love to have that with you. >> Love to have that. The state actually uh got real close to approving it. It was our planning director that wouldn't advance it and we were actually going to

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use we were going to have a fee that would have people would have paid to release themselves from that GOIA and that money would have gone directly into the affordable housing mitigation fund uh for land acquisition u for uh to so that we could acquire

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pieces of property that would be worthy of of conserving in a future. I think um anyway there's there's a mo there's not a motion. Do we have a motion to approve this? >> We have 30 seconds. What do we do?

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>> I don't hear a motion. >> There's no motion. John, if there's no motion, is it fail? Because there's no motion. >> It would fail. I mean, you could do a motion to uh reject it also or you to reject, defer, or just if you take no action, then it would just linger. I'd

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make a motion that we go back and revisit this and see if we can fine-tune this a little bit better. >> I agree. >> Continue with the internal conversations of the goas >> to continue with the internal conversation with him with with >> with Goas. >> Yes.

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>> That's my motion. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion in a second. >> Watching. >> It's the hour of the night. >> Marty, will you call the >> 20 seconds? Council member, excuse me. Mayor Don, >> whoever cancelled Thursday did it.

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>> Council member Anna Richards, >> yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman, >> yes. >> Council member Deb Gillis, >> yes. >> And may Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney, >> yes. >> The motion passes 5-0. >> Don't ever do one meeting again or I'm going to kill you. >> That was my It was my fault. And if you

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remember, we scheduled this a long time ago. >> We did. It's not his fault. It was a long time ago because I was going. >> But that's not his fault. >> Look, we've been getting over it. Is there a motion? >> Motion to adjourn. Bye.