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evening are we ready Marne would you please call the roll council member Steve fredman here council member Deb Gillis here council member Anna Richards here uh vice mayor Don Horton here and mayor Sharon Mahoney
here we have a Corum okay um Mr Greg from the aquad do would you lead the Pledge of Allegiance for us pleaseed Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which stands one nation under God
indivisible with liy and justice for all thank you very very much okay Council additions deletions emergencies Steve anything uh Anna took my pen Don I'd
like to pull u b off of the consent agenda please and would you tell me what B is oh excuse me yeah it is under the cons agenda yeah b as in boy B as in boy yes you want to pull it and have a discussion or yes I'd like to pull it and have a
discussion okay so you want to do that let's let's put it down uh we can move that to resolutions you want to do right before yeah we'll put it at the first one of resolutions so we stay going in order that's that's fine on U end of consent
yes that's fine end of consent and would you verify what tab the tab is so we're all on the same page I'm sorry what is it about uh that's a resolution approving expenditures for tropical home construction Contracting LLC in a waiver of competitive bid or replacement
Plantation Yacht Harbor Marina Tiki Hut decking tab tab 10 that's been red I don't need to read I know I'm thinking what is he doing well you asked for it I gave it to you okay anything else I couldn't be more specific anything else
no ma'am thank you Miss Deb I have two things I'd like to add to uh short discussions under mayor counsel one of them is the Isam sign the other one is the F do crosswalks F
Dot and I'm sorry El sign okay there'll be short discussions okay now Madame mayor can I add one thing to the Village attorney I guess it'll be very brief it's just a request for a um liaison for the Yates
litigation matter okay and we'll put that Village attorney yep okay I uh would like to have a short discussion about windley key where we're at with the um parking situation that we talked
about if uh that's good and uh also I want to talk about the picnic tables that have vanished from across from uh what is that a mar yeah in that area so I'm going to put those two down for me and we can do those in the mayor communication if
that's okay okay that's great okay um before we get started I would like everyone to welcome Anna as part of our Council now so and as a little tidbit here this is
the first time in what 28 years of a council that there's been more women than men that's a fun fact and a quick thank you to everybody who helped with the heart like Harley uh with our fire chief uh it was uh we
raised $20,000 which is really good and uh hopefully this will continue and we can make it bigger and better every year so kudos to our fire Chief Terry thank you okay okay ready to move on to reports
presentations and announcements let's do it okay I believe Terry you're the first up here Community Heroes presentation correct correct water printed that really big so I didn't think I needed cheaters but I
still need them it's pain getting old but it beats the alternative mhm all right so let's set the stage it's February and a family from new New York plans a trip to alamada finds a gorgeous Resort The Islander to stay at everyone's enjoying a day poolside uh
with tropical breezes and nice warming Sunshine sure beats back home where it's currently snowing grandparents are keeping an eye on the grandbabies and the little ones being a little bit fussy grandparents turned their attention for just a brief moment to take care of their younger grandchild when they turn around their three-year-old is on the
bottom of the pool obviously chaos ensues as grandparents and bystanders rushed to save the child from the pool Natasha saw and heard all the commotion ran to render Aid followed closely by Demetrius both taking charge of the situation getting the child to the side
of the pool assessing the child's Airway quickly realizing the child was not breathing they rolled the child to its side gave back blows at which point the child began to vomit out water they cleared the airway again bana then soon arrived from the drift recognizing that the child was still not breathing
adequately they rolled the child once again where more water came out and the child began to cry at some point during all this chaos 911 was dispatched rescue 20 Crews arrived in less than 4 minutes and upon arrival found the grandmother holding the youngest child one of the
staff holding a crying 3-year-old EMS World a crying baby is amazing that's what we love we love crying babies parents maybe not so much EMS world it's godsent our crews continued supportive care and route to the hospital where the
child slowly gained better color and better mentation turned them over to the Ed staff without incident and it couldn't have gone any better if we' tried without the quick thinking and actions of the three individuals I'd like to recognize next with a community hero award first and unfortunately she
can't make it we have Briana no NOCO the food and beverage manager accepting on her behalf we have Mr Arthur who's right there behind me I have Demetrius Andrews from engineering department and Natasha De Jesus with recreational attendant and
also demetrius's daughter so please give them a round of applause [Applause] thank you than you guys so much can you get the picture [Laughter]
you got to brush your hair back too it's in his eyes thank [Applause] you I'm just happy basic thank you appreciate it
Arthur hand appreciate it hey Terry it's uh community members like that to make our job easier and kudos to The Islander it is a phenomenal Resort they have always helped me with the um uh the injured police officer the fire rescue
boat I have both of my tournaments out of The Islander they're great Resort they do a lot for the community and um I think you and I when we talked today you said that uh I think what you said about the resorts should have their staff around the pool
trained for CPR and things like that and I think that's something good that we might want to consider moving forward I think it's a smart thing to have absolutely we offer training every month um there are two resorts in our community that train all of their staff every couple of years Islander is one of
them um so they utilize our services and they also call outside Services as well so highly recommend it fire. department at alfl us get on the calendar and we'll teach a class Sheil could we get something out to the other Resorts that have pools like this with a lot of
little children swimming and stuff I think it'd be smart and I think it's just an extra layer we can add to Alam marada and you guys thank you so very much for being where you were when you were so thank you thank [Applause]
you okay next from the floor Florida Keys aquad do we have Greg and Aaron and I don't know if you guys both want to come up but uh they want to give us an update on what's going on how do you follow
that that's a tough act to follow right there yeah Madame mayor council members thank you very much for having us here this evening um we understand uh the things that are going on uh We've brought Aaron who's our project manager
uh Lori who's in our Communications she handles all the communications for us Peter Gomez is our chief of operations and we have Richie who's our head contractor so any questions that we can have pertaining to the to the project I mean I think everyone understands the
necessity of it um but why we're doing it now and why it's looks the way that it looks we're going to try to answer those questions for you okay so I'll turn it over to Richie and any other further questions I'll be right here okay I'm sorry Aon sorry good evening uh
Village of alam marada super happy to be here and um just answer any of your concerns but we wanted to start with we had a little bit of a project update that we prepared so I wanted to start out just going over that um I'm having a little bit of tough time seeing on the
screen so I'm going to look at it on my phone so basically what we're doing this is a very important infrastructure project as you know this is the plantation key transmission man replacement project which is replacing an existing 30-in old water man that's
beyond its expected lifespan with the new cathodically protected 36in steel water m is there another slide okay next slide please sorry okay and
um so basically I'm just going to introduce the project team for you the project owner is the Florida Keys aqueduck Authority uh the construction engineer this project is Wade trim who also is the engineer for the Alam marada section and the windley key section and along those lines I'm the construction
manager that put the pipe in the ground for the Isam marada section and the windley key section as well and we have the same Contracting team so we have a really good rapport and we have um definitely have the most optimal way to do this down so some of the things that
we're seeing out there just keep that in mind that this is this plan has been in place for quite some time to make sure that we can get it in with the least amount of impact and I know it doesn't feel that way with the traffic in the shortest amount of time possible um our public Outreach officer we do have that
on the project is Lori uh menow our contractor is Michael's pipeline and the utility work is Mr Richard Gibbs who's here with GN edti and we have Partners in the community with fdot uh Monroe County Public Schools as well as the Monroe County Sheriff's Office and the village of Isam marada has been a huge
supporter of ours and the um the Chamber of Commerce is as well so we've we've had a good definitely good relationship this far um I just want to explain a little bit on why this project is so important if you want to go to the next slide so basically this transmission main is the pipeline that carries the
all the drinking water from the two aquafers in Florida City all the way down to Key West so the Florida Keys aqueduck Authority pumps well over 20 thou 20 million excuse me 20 million gallons a day okay through this Pipeline and this particular section of pipeline
was designated as one of the worst conditions so this pipeline this segment of pipe has to be replaced and you know there's 150 miles of this pipeline we've been at this for about 3 or 4 years and this segment has to be done so the other segments can be done so um I know a lot
of people have asked the question you know why now um you know why not at different points of the year but this actually this is a a a 30-year Legacy project to replace all this pipe so this is going to be continuing you know for for many Summers but also the particular
project that we're doing now this Six Mile Stretch which is about 22,000 ft of pipe we're it's we're doing that over a two-year span so we've looked at this project and I'll show a map here in a second trying to make sure the least amount of impacts now there is going to be traffic it's major infrastructure but
like for the schools for instance where Coral Shores High School is located we um probably the most difficult part is putting the open cut the steel pipe in the ground so we've planned that so that the bulk of that work happens during the summer months but currently what you guys are seeing is we're starting the
work on the south end at Snake Creek and progressing you know about a a 3,000 ft work Zone every couple weeks we'll scoot that up about 1,000 ft and then we're doing the directional drill Crossing which is crossing Taver Creek and the reason we're doing that at this particular time is that the Department
of Transportation put several um Lane restrictions and blackout restrictions on the roadways where they will will not allow to allow a lane closure or traffic control um so we had to find a time period which is about 2 to 3 months where we could fit the directional drill
because that's a a work where it's a pipeline crossing under the water and it has to start at from one point and then finish in order for that to be done so that's where you're seeing that work zone of activity happening right now I want to run through a little bit more of
this um so as far as go to the next side please project overview as I mentioned we're replacing 6 miles of this existing 30-in transmission main um the pipe is going to be installed basically from Snake Creek in the South all the way up to julip Road and Taver
Creek so it's going to cross Taver Creek as well um currently just so that we can get the work done as as as quickly as we possibly can we have two Crews working simultaneously one of the crews which is the open cut which the steel pipe picture that you see there that
particular crew Works 24 hour hours a day okay and that crew they they they have this pretty much down to a science but basically during the day they're installing those steel pipes and they used to get in three or four of those a day but then in order to do that at night because this pipe is welded it's
steel they have to coat the inside once the pipe is cooled down and then they pre- trench ahead however so many feet that they can get the pipe in the next day so it's a 24-hour day operation just so they can move that along as fast as possible now the directional drill um
we're cross cross in a major Waterway obviously and when you cross a Waterway you know we need to do that during the daylight times because there visual requirements that the permit has so that there's not a a Frack out they call it um under the the the Sea Under the water so that um they're able to visually see
that but also um because this drilling rig is in a stationary position for two months and they have to pop up on the other side and pull that pipe through under the ground that is a fixed point A to point B type of work so that has to remain in place for those
2 to 3 month period where we're getting a lot of questions of well why don't we do this at night but you couldn't take it down even if you flipped it tonight today you couldn't take it down each day because all of that drilling equipment and everything to do that work has to remain in place for that time span so I just want to clarify that because that's
something we've been asked quite a bit um the the project is so that we have clean drinking water I mean it's it's pretty cut and dry the aqueduck authority pumps over 20 million gallons a day and the reason why everybody has drinking water is because they replace their pipe and this pipe is well beyond
the lifespan so that's why we're doing the project um if you could turn the next slide I want to explain a little bit on this map so in this 2-year project we cut this up into several different phases so if you see the lime green area to the South just north of Snake Creek that's
the area we're currently working on with the open cut steel pipe and that moves forward about every th000 ft every two or 3 weeks so they've been doing all the pre work over the past week or two the pipe is scheduled to be here starting tomorrow so you'll see that starting to
go into the ground um and then we're targeting about sometime in October to be up to you know beyond Founders Park up to that uh that pink colored area that we show on the map and then they're going to get through that section around
probably get to the end of it up near the high school probably around April of 2026 okay and then again trying to get the mo the the area where it's most congested is right here at Royal poana Boulevard where we have Coral Shores High School that whole area there is
probably the most difficult the most uh the density of of the residents so that area we we plann so that that would happen during the summer the most amount of it as possible um but what you're seeing there in the yellow is what and what causes a little bit of confusion is
that directional drill work that has to remain stationary see the rest of the project moves just like you guys probably seen in windley key and Alam marada when we did the water Crossings on those projects they were off the roadway you know the geometry here where we have that curve that puts us into the
center of the road where we have to start our drill and finish it um so we didn't have to experience like what we're experiencing now so that yellow area the reason that there is because again we have that two and a half month span where we can get this drill work in once that's done we'll go away until you
know around May 2026 and then the entire project will be completed we we'll get to that North End near julip Road um the the contract says November but our contractor is planning to finish early and he's looking to be done um you know just maybe a couple
months I think I we're showing January right there but yeah the contract says January he's hoping to be done in November so so that's our um the way it's been planned out and scheduled if you go to the next slide I think I have one more so this is a 3,000 ft rolling lane
closure that starts at Snake Creek Bridge which is at Mile Mar 86 um traffic is already single Lane Northbound and southbound in this area so we have that traffic moving through two-way traffic the lanes are shifted to the median to keep one Northbound and
one southbound lane open as the pipe gets installs Cruise will move north in basically 1,000 ft increments as I explained uh steel pipe crews are working 24 hours a day Monday through Friday and they have to pause if there's major holidays or inclement weather weather and then there's a 35 mph speed
limit required and the another thing that um we've been meeting with some of the HOAs on to to just to educate everybody the state doesn't allow um for for drivers to cross through the work zone so one of the things that is a little bit of inconvenience for drivers
is they have to drive all the way past go to a side street and turn back the other way to get through the work Zone and we've educated a lot of the communities about that so we're putting out messaging for that but that's one of the things that is challenging and and and we do certainly understand that but
um I understand why because you know if you had people cutting through it would just hold up traffic and plus it can be dangerous so but the state requires that so we have to abide by that we can go to the next slide please so this is basically the traffic control plan just to give you more a
little bit more details on what we're doing at for the tavern near Creek Crossing so there's two southbound lanes that are remaining open and then there's a single northbound lane from Royal ponana and it's it's approved to go all the way up to Ocean but currently right
now while we're doing some of the pre-drilling work and the initial drilling work we basically have it back opened at the north side of Taver Bridge Okay so that's the extent of that one single northbound lane again leftand turns from Plantation Key Colony onto
US1 are permitted that's one of the things that we changed when we're doing further coordination with the schools uh traffic lights at Ocean Boulevard and Bessie Road are functioning regularly a local traffic only sign has been placed at Bessie Road or Bessie Drive um we've
also authorized an officer that basically sits right at Bessie drive to help you know we we've been having some problems with the people on Old Highway trying to aggressively get back onto Ocean Boulevard and that causes further backups so we stationed a police officer
there basically during those peak times to help um deter that uh motorists we put out messaging that motorists are asked to avoid using Old Highway as much as possible as an alternate route because every time drivers enter from Old Highway back onto Overseas Highway it backs up the north southbound just a
little bit more so if we can get everybody not doing that so much it's going to help the bigger picture and everything flow much better um crews are working during the day to install this pipe underwater um there are some nighttime work needed so for instance if
they're finishing a drilling run and to get to the other side they have to to work for a few hours during the night the the permits do allow that but they can't just stage their work only at night because the the permits don't allow that and also it doesn't make a lot of sense because the traffic control has to be there anyway 24 hours a day um
it'll take approximately the contractor is planning for 2 months to install this pipe underwater now I know we've been having some communication lately that their initial drill findings are showing that the material is really good so if there's a there's a chance that we can
make that into like a 6 we period but we're looking at 6 to 8 weeks right now based on the material uh and they can find anything in the ground but but there is a chance that we can improve on that but it's all based on what the soil conditions are when they're drilling so after that the crew is
expected to work along US1 in front of Plantation key school and Coral high school in May of 2026 so that's what I'm saying that traffic control you'll see be removed and then it will have to come back in May but that'll be more of a moving Zone not something that's just stationary there
if you can go to the next slide please so another thing is that Ingress and egress to all businesses is maintained throughout this project and that's a contract requirement that we take very seriously um one of the things that we've implemented on every project I've been involved with is that we pass
out good trifold Flyers that have a lot of information from our project we go to Every business we knock on doors everybody has a different situation going on with deliveries or whatever the logistics are for their business I mean we're keeping the way station open right now but we do that at every single
business as we get to that next Zone um and that's worked really well for us I mean we crossed through Publix and and Isam marada and we we've crossed through a lot of challenging places but we plan to do the same thing here but just know that our our crews go out there with boots on the ground and coordinate that
ahead of the work um okay so I I think that's it go to the next slide please and this is a way to just stay connected and updated on the project you can scan the QR code that's up there and then this will give you Plantation key project updates if you have any
questions at all on the project on what we're doing and and we we update that map that shows the phasing so as the project progresses you'll see updates and colors change on that map so you can see what's happening in front of your business um but you can send those questions to a uh FKA customer service a
representative there at Community fk. we have a 24-hour support line it's at 305 296 2454 and then we also have a w a website for the plantation key project and FK has dedicated social media Pages for
this project at Facebook and X or uh dedicated information just for this project and that's at fkaa water and you can receive all project updates there next slide I think that's it but yeah okay Council does anyone have any
questions yeah go ahead um thank you for that I appreciate all that information we've obviously been getting a lot of complaints about why can't this happen at night and why is this happening now and I I think that you helped explain some of that um to me one of the things
I I'm just sort of maybe this is something that you guys have already contemplated but is is it possible to talk to some of the software companies that are making these mapping um programs Google Apple ways to to uh not have that programmed where they have
that option to take the old road because that signage isn't going to do anything um and and it is going to be more and more uh complex because of the stop signs and people turning and randomly and I've already seen it just across the way here where people are trying to get
on the road and you have people that are going into the northbound lane going south Y and and things like that so is there any way that that has that even been compated possible it actually has that's a really good thing that we were discussing that this past Friday I don't know if is AJ here tonight with the
village the public yeah AJ we just brought this up right about the mapping um so we're in Communications with u Monro County Sheriff's Office with the TMC group that handles the traffic lights and as well as those routes and it's my understanding that part of the coordination with Monroe County
Sheriff's is they have a direct line of communication with those mapping softwares so I I know I tested it out today when I was driving the job site and it won't it won't show you to go on Old Highway even with Google Maps I looked on Apple Maps and both of them so that's currently in place right
now Deb you need to double check that yesterday I went North and it put me on the old road okay I I know when I checked it today I don't know verify because it it does make a huge difference if we can keep them on the road ma' I'll I'll make sure we follow
up on that but that was discussed Friday so I'll I'll check and make sure it's being done and I I just wanted to make a special thank you to the two of you or your whole team that you brought tonight because we have been getting a lot and we we understand the importance of the
water pipe but it doesn't make our life any easier so no I understand like I said we I've been doing projects in the keys for 18 years I've sewered kjo done Duck Key I've done all the projects before this so I know the sensitivity of
this um this pipe has to be replaced and we're trying to do it in the least amount of impact possible we've had just numerous public meetings we've met with the schools law enforcement um so and we're still monitoring it there's still things being changed I mean just last
week we figured out a way to get the pipes event that was north of tavena Creek to move it off and open that up further so we're always looking we we deployed an officer um earlier this week that can sit at the intersection so as we see things that can be done better
please we're open to feedback we want to do that um but but we're we're trying our best just to get this done get in and get out um and replace this infrastructure so we have drinking water I mean that's the goal I do I do believe that it was last week or was it two weeks ago that we had the water line
break I think it was last week that yeah there's a proof that we need to continue to move forward with this but we appreciate you at least taking into consideration as much as you can yes ma'am moving this traffic yes ma'am
thank you any anybody else Don I just want to thank you for what you're doing and staying on top of what you're trying to do and and I know you did a wonderful job down there by Papa Joe's and when you were on the fields and and uh the work that you did through downtown isada
was stellar and uh you know we got faith in you just watch that traffic and keep everybody in mind sir appreciate what you're doing though and and I think you'll start seeing it look a little bit more like that once we get through that directional drill that stationary portion that we're dealing with right
now um but we do again appreciate all the support and the feedback it's phenomenal what you're doing with that Directional Boring I watched the whole process at Papa Joe's and uh to be able to pop down go 70 ft pop back up within within inches basically of where you're
supposed to pop up was incredible amazing keep up good work appreciate it well um I want to thank all you guys uh two years ago when you were in front of theater of the sea and they're very very good friends of mine the owners and uh I sort of became their dolphin shield and
uh um I called Aaron Greg Richie Jen numerous times okay you guys we need another water truck we need this never once did you yell at me never did you hang up on me and you got the water there you were Mindful and respectful to the people there and that just speaks
volumes for me how great you guys were at that and I thank you very very much and so did the Dolphins at theater the SE all on that were involved in that project have a new appreciation for dolphins I know you did and I I I felt so horrible every time they call me I'd cringe and go I got to call them again
they had a direct they had a direct line set up just so I could get information from them constantly and we worked through it it was you guys were great so kudos to you guys thank you for what you're doing and it you're so valued I appreciate you thank you anybody else I ask one question of I don't have a
problem with that no go ahead see it seems to me I live up there in Plantation mhm and it seems to me the big hold up is the light right can can wait can we wait can we get a Joe can you go to the mic so that the people on the um Zoom can hear
the question yes Joe ismar Plantation key my question is the road is one lane all the way up to Coral Shores High School and then continuing it seems that big holdup is the light at Bessie Road is there have you looked into maybe some way of
not having it work as often and maybe the traffic would flow quicker thank you very good yeah that's one of the very first things that um we've been we've looked at and again we're in constant communication with the sheriff's office as well as the TMC group that manages
the lights so there you you may have seen some days where it was flashing yellow just to keep north southbound moving um then there was concerns about the people that couldn't get out of old highway just aggressively cutting in so we went back to changing it to um you
know red light green light but adjusting the times so they're constantly monitoring that with that intersection there's there's like you know five different roads coming in together it's a challenging area um what we found has worked the best so far there is to keep
it red green keep it a little bit longer period of time for North southbound and then the Old Highway people is having a police officer sit there during the peak time so right now from 2: p.m. to 6:00 p.m. there's a police officer just stationed there just to make sure we
don't get the aggressive Old Highway drivers that will hold up traffic or cause accidents so that's worked the best so far but again that is a challenging area right there because there's so much coming to that and that's where the lanes change and everything shifts right there so so
you're exactly right but that's one we're continuing to Monitor and as our experts see and we're working with DOT as well as we see changes that would help expedite that we're definitely going to implement it but the best thing that can happen is we're on basically the drilling started this week week one
I'm targeting six weeks week six that we're out of there and we're pulling that down that's what I'm you know we can find something I don't want to you know don't hold me to that but I'm shooting for that as a Target we get that out of there and then we're good
yeah go ahead come up to the mic please hey folks Larry Dalton uh Upper metacon Bay um I apologize I was late because I was caught in traffic um but I don't understand for the life of me why you guys can't drill at night I understand the permits don't
permit it but go back and get an alteration in the permit it it doesn't make any sense to me I just drove by it's clearly uh light enough to work and there's nobody there so I think just one important point that to consider is whether we
drilled at night or you drilled in the day the traffic situation wouldn't change the traffic control the temporary traffic control theot has to be there because we have drilling rigs out in the roadway you can't take those rigs or you get you get start your drill you can't
take it down and move it each day that has to stay in a fixed position for the 2 and a half month period so that's why it you know whether you can drill at night or not um our contractors you know there's certain drilling like when they're doing the full back of the pipe once they start that they work if that
pops out in 2: in the morning they're there till 2: in the morning but um we're following the permit of drilling the most amount of the drill work is during the day because it doesn't change the traffic situation it has to stay there until the drill's completed from point A to point
B okay well again it changes it just because there's less traffic at night I think is is the point there yeah but the what I'm saying is the um the work the the traffic control devices that are out there those have to be there to protect where the rig is set up so if you're
drilling at night that those traffic control devices would have would still be there during the day sure does that make sense no it makes perfect sense I I I just I think that there's just fewer cars on the road whether that has to stay there or not 24 hours I get that but there's just fewer people that are
going to be out say between you know 8 and 8 at night than 8 and 8 in the during the day with the schooling spring break um tourism and all that I think that's the logic that I'm looking at okay and I think part of that logic is that the the tra the people that are out
during the day are slowing because they want to see what's going on it's it's like the first time we hit the water views on the bridges they all slow down you know uh so they they want to see what's going on they're you know and so they it's slows the traffic but you just
need to keep working at at making that move as smooth as it can yes ma'am okay thank you again very very much for everything you guys do updating thank you thank you for having us you're welcome thanks come back
again okay yeah okay then let's open up public comment and this is uh comments about anything that's not on an agenda Marne first up is vanan Caden
Hut good evening Council I'm van Cadenhead um water is what we've been talking about and uh water is uh essential to the Keys and uh given the amount of uh
construction going on in South Dade that's going to take up water from us um I think that uh we should uh uh enter this into our thinking when we get to the charet on the 24th as to how much
more development we can stand here and Redevelopment in the Upper Keys and the keys in general because uh once saltwater intrusion begins to happen from the
aquifer in South Dade where we get our water from um we're toast we we cannot uh substitute Uh u reverse osmosis systems for what comes out of the ground
from the our aquifers so if our aquifers are endangered by overdevelopment and it's not all in Monroe County overdevelopment because uh we've got a lot of people that aren't paying attention to us in Miami dat it seems
like because they're putting 8,000 new dwelling units right there behind the Last Chance Saloon Now where's that water going to come from out of the same ground that our water comes from so I I would hope that when we start to discuss
this in the in the charet that uh that's one of the background uh considerations that we make as far as a future development in Isam marada and the keys um as as far as the charet goes I
noticed from the the after action report in tonight's uh agenda that uh a lot of things that are being discussed like the tdrs and U um you know various and sunry
other items as far as Planning and Building and flood planes are uh up for discussion and I I think uh we should uh delay kick down the road we've kicked a lot of things down the road we should go
until after the shet when the people of Isam marada have a week to discuss this uh with the the uh able cities east who's here to uh give us a new comp plan and a new set of
ldrs so uh I I don't think we should rush into putting anything in concrete or uh or or ordinances or resolutions until such time as able cities east has been able to receive and Digest and act
on all the information which is upcoming in the chared so uh I just hope that uh uh we can have a good session uh planning session for the Redevelopment thank you Mara thank you okay Marney up
next is Joe wishm yes Joe wishm Plantation key mayor and council at the last meeting I implored the council and the residents to demonstrate a more positive attitude so that we can all build more into trust and unity between council members and
citizens I even started to process Myself by complimenting Mr Horton and his efforts to get Legoland which is the sun Community to pay their fair share of taxes to help support our community I hope that effort is still moving forward and we're looking into whatever needs to
be done unfortunately that effort passed very quickly as later that night as I was ready to complement this Council again on the hiring of Alan Cohen as interim Village manager his resume far exceeded what we needed after voting
unanimously to hire him you then decided to put him off for another month after negotiating a contract with him as could be expected after seeing the dysfunction of the council firsthand he withdrew his application then you didn't even let the
public to speak on the issues because you just pulled it from the agenda all together another thing was last month when you voted to change the zoning of a fully compliant Motel the creek side in you then made it now non-compliant but
still left them remain open thus encouraging others to be breaking the code and the law when I brought the code that states that a receiver site which would are The Islander at the time cannot get a permit or do work until the sender site is completed you told me
that you made a that The Islander would not have to get a uh would get a CO until it was until the creek side was completed well that's not the way that it says in the in the code so I wish that you could maybe go back and look at
that and make sure that you have it straight I hope that is not too late for you to reconsider your actions like you did with previous actions done by previous councils and make things right help us reunite trust
and camaraderie with everyone so that we can all get along thank you very much thank you Joe Marne next is Dr Larry Dalton hey folks Larry dton uper mum Bay um I I'm really speaking on uh tab five
but falls under the mayor council Communications and usually there's not public comment associated with that um and it's talking about charitable donations uh by The Village um in my opinion the role of city
government or any government is to provide needed and necessary services to the community um it is not to pick and choose what charities uh extra money which you
shouldn't have anyway should go to if you've got money to give the charity you're taxing the the land owners and the property owners too much so my recommendation is there should one you
need to lower the taxes to no charity going out because it's not the role of government thank you thank you Mar that's it no one else all right public comment is now closed okay moving along citizen
advisory committees we are going to start with Mr dully and the land acquisition please good evening Madame mayor councilman Village staff and residents um we were here a couple months ago and
uh we're back here to follow up on our report I'll read this to you um the land acquisition advisory committee continues to its mission in of identifying acquiring and preserving land that aligns with the villages conservation planning priorities this report highlights the progress made in
our recent efforts key updates and next steps for ongoing of future incentives The Glenn family preserve uh signage and dedication uh the committee and Village staff have placed a sign at the Glenn property to formally identify the parcel as the Glenn family Preserve
uh a dedication ceremony is currently in the planning stages with a date to be announced um we we'd like to ask Council uh if they're available if you'd be willing to attend to that maybe some of you all of you uh and do a little uh Grand Opening Ceremony there if that's
would please the council number three the Florida Florida Forever Florida forever priority list um the land acquisition committee and Village staff have been actively renewing reviewing and updating the Florida for priority list to ensure alignment with the conservation goals um
the highest priority Parcels for acquisition have already been identified letters were mailed the week of February 17th to all 35 Island Mara Property Owners on the Florida forever list with vacant land informing them the state's interest in potential
acquisition um the boundary management for Florida forever priority list uh an additional letters were mailed to 33 Property Owners inquiring about their interest in being added to the Florida forever priority list under a boundary amendment to date two responses have been received and the village staff has
prepared and submitted a boundary Amendment application to the state uh number four the Monroe County Land Authority presentation uh their less than fee program U we've invited them to Theo we've invited mro County to present here at the Village Council uh
regarding their less than fee program to you folks uh they've accepted and they're going to be here on April 8th uh at the council meeting here uh next steps if the council approves participation in the program uh letters to the property owners will grow letters will be sent to the owners Parcels
categorized as adjacent property vacant lots to inform them about the program and gauge interest uh an interlocal agreement Amendment will be made with the mcla which will determine will need to be determined to amend to specify how many how funds will be transferred once
a property owner agrees to sell development rights and legal documents are prepared uh funding and fees the committee will work to identify fees that can be used for the purchase of the development rights uh and then the acquisition in legal process negotiations negotiations will be
negotiations will be begin to acquire development rights legal documents will be prepared and finalized for closing and easements will be recorded uh to ensure long-term conservation protection uh number five uh conclusions and recommendations uh the land acquisition
committee remains committed to its mission in preserving and protecting land for the benefit of of the Isam Ra's residents and natural environment the committee seeks The Village Council support and Direction regarding regarding the following items approval of the Florida forever priority boundary
amendment to include the two newly identified Parcels acknowledgement of the Glenn family preserve dedication efforts consideration of the lesson fee program and subsequent actions following the April 8th presentation by the county uh land acquisition committee
appreciates the council's continued support and guidance to ensure strategic land acquisition and preservation for the future of Isam marada do you all have any questions does anybody have anything for Mr Dolly no thank you very much thank you
appreciate okay I will I will say thank you for your committees work it's a nice detailed report thanks Carolyn uh parks and wreck well good evening Council and welcome
Anna not met before um the parks and recare committee had a very extensive meeting so we have a full report to give and I want to start out with acknowledgement to the staff because Maria and the staff and Alicia oh my
gosh the notes that she puts together the minutes are like five six pages detailed so those things you don't always see but I think it's nice to have that acknowledgement one of the things we like to do in our committee meeting is to celebrate some of the things that
are going on around here in the park so I'll just start with um the soccer group for example the soccer group um has between 3 and 500 athletes between ages 8 and 18 that are out here in the soccer
field and of those five of them were selected from the state of Florida to train with the Olympic develop committee and five of them um are being celebrated um and will be competing internationally so we don't always see that we see a
bunch of kids out there but I think it's kind of cool to know what's actually going on we also um brought in with us uh this time some of the things from our pool so we have our synchronized group that just took five five of their
swimmers to uh competition in Texas um um the divers um let me get my names correct cuz um we have a real celebration of our diving program and that is that there are several of the divers in the younger
group that competed in the state but one of our local lifeguards um whose name is Eric Lis um was right here in the pool and looked at all the divers and said well maybe I can do that and he is just just come back
from competing let me make sure I've got the right I've got the right acknowledgement um but he has just come back and been celebrated he is a um he is a junior let me see he's a lifeguard at the pool um he plays fifth in the 16
to 18yar Old division in the state and you know just to see those things going on around us I think is really worth our celebrating and understanding what's happening then we brought in um coach John Olen and asked him to bring us um
an update of the swimmers and they just came back from the Regionals and some of these numbers will really just Amaze you um the swimmers have been they train some of them have been training with him for 13 years um the swimmers practice an
average of 15 hours a week both before and after school they swim generally a total of 25 miles a week in our pool which is both short course and long horse and some of the uh they're taking a group to a to a meet
this uh coming uh weekend but in the Regionals they had two of their relay teams teams that qualified in the Regionals Abby Sergeant Lane Smith Sophia figuro and algra fukao um qualified um and then they had
another one of their relay teams that qualified and if you take a look at who they're competing against corl Shores High School is consistently ranked first or second in public schools in the entire
Division and these female swimmers finished seventh at the Regionals and went on in the state championships and in many cases they are competing with private schools and I believe they're only three public schools that actually compete and coral
Shores um ranks always ranks at the top of that so we really have um just an outstanding kind of recognitions that we can give for our for our pool programs then if we take the pool also there are
three different things that have um come out of our pool one of them is that Lighthouse that's in the middle of our center of our seal the island the alligator Lighthouse is actually owned
by Friends of the pool and Friends of the pool started right here in our swimming pool with our master's group that decided they wanted to support the swimming programs became a 501c3 and actually made the made the
application and they actually own the lighthouse and all that started right here in our pool which I think is cool Rob came and gave an update and what they're looking for right now is some permitting because they've been and obviously there's major fundraising to
overdo the whole thing but they're looking for some permitting because in order to do the next step of restorations they got to go through all the various government things so if there's anybody who's got connections or ways that they can support that to
happen that's one of the requests that the lighthouse group has then Beth cin came with a really great suggestion um one of the things that's going to be happening is in our capital projects the pool will be in redone and it's
hopefully going to be right after the beginning of the year and all that's you know Maria and that group have got to get all the applications and all that but the pool is 20 some years old so it does have to be redone it's going to be a major inconvenience but it needs to be done
and one of the suggestions is to have a wall of fame because if any of you have been around here we've had Olympic divers we've had Olympic swimmers we've had all kinds of really um notable people that have not only swam and
trained here but also an opportunity to celebrate some of the you know the meat things and the you know people's events and so on so there a couple of conversations about either doing maybe a fixed wall or the possibility of doing
something digital where the income the input can be changed and have something interactive all of that is down the road but the idea is there and if anyone has ideas or things they'd like to contribute Beth is taking charge of that
but many of us are happy to be a part of that so we have a pretty active place around here um let me see if I can do this in order um we also get to announce that the or celebrate that the
Breakwater project is now basically almost completed that as I understand it is about a $2 million project but it was all funded with grants and the change that will happen in that Breakwater is that it's designed to be a Breakwater in
a nature viewing spot not a fishing place so there will be no motorized vehicles and that sort of thing out there but it's a great place to celebrate I think now that it's being redone I haven't been out there yet I want to get my private tour but um for
people to just go and have it be little live aquarium that they can go and celebrate so it's been built up in order to protect the marina and so on but that project is now just about finished um
then let's see capital projects um the lights in the let's see we've had the um that's that was fully Grant funded the lights I'll bet you that is my fraking
phone yes I'm supposed to be somewhere else oh how funny sorry about that so well put I turned it off but not the alarm okay hold
on hold on hold on stop it's off okay sorry about that sorry about that um anyway the um the capital projects around here are the the solar lights are
in which makes it much nicer while we're all here um let me see what did I forget since I just mixed these up um okay that brings us the coming events we've got beats on the bay coming up
next month on the 13th that'll be the last major event for the season swim across America April 14th um John Olson is hosting another major swim meet um April 26th and 27th
so those activities will be going on around here and I hope I didn't miss something else in there because then we get to the major things so the major issues of conversation are that mil leg was the
contractor group was hired to do a review of Founders Park now one of the things that the committee said and my notes show that we talked about this at least six months ago was that if their
if their assignment was to look at Founders Park it does not include the fact that there were other parks in the village and when you look at things like when they want to figure out where to
put things then we have we have the um the equipment here that's got to go somewhere and it's sitting here so what do we do with you know all of the the development equipment and what do we do
from public works and there's also a letter from Florida Bay forever which is the green turtle hammock which is also a village manage controlled property I mean out of the right words but that
also is a conservation area and their letter comes in and says what are we doing with parks with um Public Works stuff that's hidden you know that's being used in our property so what this brings up as a question is that when
they look at how do you use Founders Park we believe that their request for project development did not include the rest of the the properties number one and number two what do you do with what
do we do with the public works things and things like that that are parked here on the property so when people come in if they want to have they what they see as Founders Park but they also see a sort of a parking area for that which
then brings up you know issue number two which is in all of the years that I have been here I had no clear understanding of the distinction between the marina and Founders Park and when you
drive in here it all looks like it's the same and our understanding is the marina obviously has got its own independent it's a business venture they report to I don't know the finance manager or the
village manager or whatever so they're not connected to the park but they're physically here so if we're looking at how do we make the park look and become fully used we think that first of all there
should be some kind of demarcation with all the trailers that are parked there and is this trailer storage is this boat storage um some kind of clarity on what
is the role of the of of the the whole area I mean what is you know what are we doing and so if we're doing an overview of Founders Park an outsider doesn't know that those things are all
collapsed and so one of the significant questions is what is the responsibility who is the next step for doing some sort of clarity on that distinction and what
I will bring up is that one of the issues that obviously came up was um Captain Richard black came and made a presentation about what do we do for the guides um and this
is I would say this if we look at our you know we look at our seal up here and we talk about ourselves as being the you know sport fishing capital of the world we would invite some bigger picture
conversation about how do we as a village make possible and facilitate the way that guides can actually there there's no way to put your boats in there maybe this one and you know one company you know one of the places the
lauraliz is being sold and you know this one costs so much and this one is free but you can't park and and all kinds of other distinctions that um Captain Steve and many of the people involved in the guide and fishing Community are dealing
with an unclarity about how do they function and I say we say from the committee how do we as a village look at how this all fits together so I don't
know if that's I mean those are kind of the the questions for that the request from the committee to come back to the council and say where do we
go and um you know is there a next step is there someone that gets assigned to look at this because it does go back several months I mean it probably goes back years but this is where we are right now and so you've got a group
that's been contracted to talk about the park and they're going to come and do a presentation but we got these loose ends here that have not actually been addressed so does that make sense I mean are there questions on that or actually
I'm sort of working on that so I'm was hoping you didn't bring it up till I was had my ducks in a row oh but uh surprised sorry I didn't get the memo I know you didn't so but I I understand and I'm sort of working on it with some
of the guys here and everything and um I will we'll have some information soon but I agree with you I have already reached out to the people doing the park here the plan to talk to them so and I you're right on with everything else you
say so can there be I mean even a blue ribbon around down there that says that belongs to the marina and this belongs to the park I mean I it's well I think the main thing is like I need to have a sit down with like Lisa and Maria and we
need to talk about stuff before you know we put a blue ribbon on the property so and I'm just that's just me yes I understand but what I'm trying to do is synthesize over two hours worth of meeting with the committee which was very active and very positive and you
know we got lots to celebrate but we just don't know where to go next got it well it's going to be dealt with so thank you very much and I appreciate it anybody have anything go ahead uh just real quick uh Carol you touched on a whole lot of things at the
park is is there anything that that has been a discussion about the keys kids swim program here at the pool have you heard anything about that and um that's not something that came up in my last conversations but maybe you can say more
um because one of the things that we try to do is each meeting have one of the user groups featured and you know there's several others and that so fill me in on that one Don there's a swim program that they put on a couple of years in a row in Kar
at the kilargo uh park at the pool and it was teaching kids at a certain age and under uh to swim and uh we haven't taken advantage of that here at Founders Park so I think what they were doing is busting some of the kids from Plantation Key Elementary School up to kilargo and
and I just was wondering and if they've approached the Parker of Rex committee or or Maria and her folks about that um I you know their their success rate has been awesome and when we we're surrounded by water so I was hoping that that sometime somebody would come and
give a presentation to you guys or to uh uh to or have a discussion with Maria to see if we could utilize our pool for part of that program I think that's an excellent idea Don that has not come in front of my VIs recently I mean I
remember instructing you know being there and doing some of the um the teaching I know my my daughters learned with Tony Hammond's wife at the old swimming pool that was here years and years and years ago but I I think that it's important that we uh maybe look at
that and and maybe we can open up a conversation with that also um uh talking about I had the same I guess the same conversation with a several Backcountry guides and Richard was one of those and and I think we should take advantage of uh find a home for our
Backcountry guards and and and our Fleet here at Founders Park I think that's important so I'm glad you brought that up so well and if it's to be here that's fine but I think there should the we've been peace meal and and there's no guidelines and it's right now you know
they can't fish between 8 and six that doesn't work and are these Village residents how much do they pay all that needs to be considered yeah there needs to be a whole program set up aside for them and I mean I'd love to see that be our you know our Marine fishing fleet
sitting out there and instead of people renting those spots I'd love to see you know our our guides occupying our Municipal Marina but that's a discussion for that's again that's a yes ma'am it is little bigger little bigger thank you for your presentation okay is there
anything else thank you Carolyn I just want to maybe ask Sheila if she can clarify so uh some of the things that you said so the the master plan that we're in in the midst of right now that is taken into consideration only this park not the other parks in Isam marada
and then also not the marina that's correct okay and then that gives the The Fallout also of where does Public Works go because if the village doesn't have any place for Public Works to go then
Founders Park becomes the resident of public works right it's going wherever we can put it wherever we can put it and right now it's also down at at uh Green Turtle hammock which is not where it belongs either so okay anything
else thank you very much thank you great committee and we were very active so thank you are very good very good okay um Marne I believe this is your your uh your show now to introduce the um
committee members appointments yes ma'am thank you uh so we started the process of looking for an applicant to um replace council member Gillis when she um came on to council and left LPA so we um have also received some other
applications for other committees and we figure why not put them all on while we uh are talking about this so um we have five applicants right now who have applied for the LPA position um
Elina Davis Elizabeth Jolan Corey McGrath AEL Matthew Turk and Greg doly um and just as a note Mr doly's application came in after the packet was published so I provided it up at the table for you um so it would be
appropriate for you to um make appointments uh to the Committees um we also also have um openings on the HPC and we have one applicant there is with Sue Miller um the land
acquisition um committee has up to four seats uh open and we have an applicant with Michelle Robinson also Workforce affordable housing uh we have up to six openings and one applicant Anna reward um so those are the folks who have um
applied uh so it would be up to council now to decide which of those folks um you would like to appoint to the LPA um and I would ask that when you do decide um to make a motion in second to
appoint the appointees and their committees the terms will be ending in May of 2027 and um we'll be coming back in this may um with recommendations for um the
Stagger terms and uh appointment process okay so what is the best way to handle this I have a question well okay go ahead go ahead Oh I thought you were going to do something else first so no was well the question is is uh I don't I
didn't see anything in here telling me who is on what stagger in any of the Committees I believe that besides the LPA maybe we didn't even set up stagger um and personally I'd like to do it all at
one time instead of peac mealing it I don't mind peac mealing it if it wasn't that we're 6 weeks away from doing it again and looking at the whole committee as a whole um so is am I am I right in that the
staggered isn't set up in any of the Committees except um LPA that's correct I've been working with the various managers ever since Ted Yates to um implement this and we keep losing managers and it just kind of falls to
the Wayside so um yes yes we are looking at implementing the Stagger terms and coming up with the process for that at the May didn't you do the highest vote Getters on on the LPA were the ones who were staggered that's correct yes so that's how we determined who would be
the we did for LPA and and it would be appropriate to maybe look at the reappointment process um so that we can you know some folks would be if they're being reappointed might be reappointed for a year and then other folks for two
years to be able to implement that staggering so um a a suggestion like Deb said would be uh how do you want to do this do you want us to vote like we did before and send it to you or I mean how
I mean to move forward like she was saying there should be some type of format or something well well if if I could interject you know there's there's nothing to tell me I know who is going to be coming up in May who's tering out
who's terming out or who we can they don't actually term out we can reappoint them or re elect them whatever the proper term is uh and and on the other committees that also you know what if if we were 6 months out it might
be a different story in my head but we're 6 weeks out because we do it in May and our we have April May so we're not very far out from that so I just think we probably ought to have all the process at one
time um instead of spending a lot of time doing tonight and then turn around and do it another I think the first thing to do would be set up the the guidelines stag yeah well to set up how they're going to be staggered and how it's done and then vote at one time so
we don't come back and forth I think it's what she's saying may I just ask a simple question for clarification go ahead is there something that we missed on the parks and recck committee that we're supposed to have applied for or is there a timeline or anything no so when
no you didn't actually miss it because it wasn't put out uh so when we get to the voting if I'm wrong say so when we get to the voting in may we need applications from everybody to know who wants to be back on the committee who who who's new that once on the
Committees uh a little bit of all of that and then we have to figure out the staggered seats is is that we're not we wouldn't vote on when we get into this the staggered rule we wouldn't we would only vote on
half of the committee at a time the first time you have to vote on everybody but once you get into the the mode then you only vote on half the committee so you have that continual education going on on the committee you don't lose that continuity thank you
well just to request since this is the first that I've heard about this so if if somebody can make sure that the existing committee knows and then tell us what you want people to do if they want to reapply or whatever I'll be reaching out within the next week to to
do that great and it's fine with me however you all want to do it it was um just to get an PA member in if you want to wait till May I don't know how that affects Jennifer I mean go ahead know that it matters I'd kind of I mean I'd kind of
like to know when these people were put on these committees if there's a date on there and and and so we see if there's going to be one that's been on longer or not staggered or staggered I I think they might have all been put on at the same time they were okay so how are we
going to end up staggering if um you know are we going to have to like pick two or three people on the LPA and and and say they're going to and we do that in May and stagger them somehow or yes that was what was done in for the LPA
highest that's how we LPA was determined but none of the others was it was okay but we don't know which ones which ones are determined okay but it also states in the ordinance but it also states in the ordinance Dawn that no members Shall Serve more than two excutive terms right
so there's several people that might not even could be tering out I thought I thought there was a caveat unless it got a unanimous Vote or something yeah okay but that would be but that's a if but that's see that's got to go to May to the May votes right but what I'm saying
is there could be more people that apply and people have already termed out than these people over here right so we're appointing in now and in later I think you the May might be the right way to do that on the LPA for sure mhm the other the other ones there's not enough people to even fill those seats so yeah there
is it so a quorum is based off of the number of people seated that's correct not the number of people that were set up for the committee such as if there was supposed to be 10 on the committee but there's only four yeah Quorum is based off of the four so they they it's
skimpy it's way too skimpy but they can have a committee meeting because Quorum would be three so Marty what's the best situation for you to get this done to reach out to people and stuff do you want to table this until next month
would that give you time I mean you know sure I can start um reaching out to huh maybe what do you mean maybe the May meeting oh I said maybe but maybe one may maybe yeah cuz we got to do it in the May meeting anyway but I think we're
required to do this I'll reach out to all of you okay within the next week and I will reach out to all of existing committee members to see find their uh interest want if they even if they'd like to be reappointed and then in May
we'll um by before the May meeting by may we will have vote have you all vote on the remaining committees because LPA is staggered but none of the others have been implemented so like some of these like excuse me some of the like the workforce and the one that have four
seats open maybe we can put it back out now so if you're interested apply again or this is the time to app yeah we've been running uh that Weekly in our newsletter since um um maybe no
December I might I might REM uh suggest a little stronger how about new presence in the newsletter and maybe even from now till then uh newspaper or something uh we have a we have not a website uh a
Facebook site um we we just we just need to pay make a bigger push than a couple lines in the newsletter I would like to suggest that everybody here who um is in the audience and at Council table tonight talk to all
of their friends and let them know that we need more applicants because it is been very difficult to find folks and we have been running on our social media and all of that um I'm happy to put ad in the newspaper if that's okay with Sheila I'd like to put add in the
newspapers like the that next the keys weekly there's a good one you know and uh for the next month or so and then table this until May unless the LPA has to have someone now I don't think they do no they they can run
on six they and the vice mayor will because I happen to or chair uh the vice chair can just move up okay uh to handle any meetings between now and then it'd be nice to have seven but is so that is that okay with you everybody yeah we
just talking about LBA cuz we talk about all of them okay cuz aren't there a couple here where there are vacancies and one applicant can't we just appoint them well we that's when we were you not paying attention we just we we said we're going to open it back up again and
see if we can get more out and see if we can't get more until in May and these people aren't going anywhere I mean they still have their application in I mean okay it just seems to me if there's a vacant I mean I can understand if there there are multiple people for one position but if we have one person and
one vacancy why don't we appoint them tonight Steve I agree I I think that that when it comes to the one we've got Anna reart who wants to be on the workforce affordable housing committee and she she's just one applicant that came in here to ask for that one spot right uh we we we still got a lot more
to fill in that one so I'd be okay with with us having her in there and then Michelle Robinson land acquisition I think that there was a couple of empties there too wasn't there yes and so I mean we're at least pecking away at it with
those two well then you Su Miller I think on HPC the historical preservation has one applicant oh do they it's we're going to have to do only not listed on the first page the only thing I would request is if um what that I would make
sure you all consider as well is if you're going from an odd to an even that does complicate thing or can I shouldn't say does could complicate things for Quorum because if you have say seven you need four for a quorum if
you uh or if you if you have six you still need four for a quorum so if you were going from from an odd to an even I guess it would be better five to six you would you would go from five You' need three you go to six um you we should just wait my feeling is let's get them
on while they're interested now let's let's fill it and then we can kind of continue this you know with the other positions but what it's required again in May what if we have more applicants just say in a great world what if we have more applicants then we have positions open and then that person I
get it okay you know what I mean I'm fine waitting till May I would prefer to wait to May and do it all at once okay and then we'd have be able to figure out the staggered figure out who's who can or won't come off will come
off who we need a majority vote if we keep them on all of that just all in one package make sense yes yes ma'am okay thank you I will reach out to these folks and let them know that we um are going to hold up for a bit but we appreciate their interest and we're
going to keep their applications but unfortunately there's part two to this I know I just going to say I see part two go ahead yeah so um I provided along with Mr Dolly's application a listing of all of the all of the Committees with um
a description and the folks who are current ly serving on those so um the ordinance also requires Council aison um we did have that before the um with the old Council and of course now we have uh
different folks so um you see on the script that I made for you um I have created a grid with all of the boards and all of your names um so there are the seven committees that are internal
committees and also we have um four external committees that require a council the aison and those are the Florida Keys Transportation Coordination Committee uh Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary advisory Council Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary
water protection water quality protection and iiy which will not uh to my knowledge involve any meetings but we do just need a p elected officially eaon for that for that role and they'll work with um Miss Panzer okay well I thought
I thought we did that second half that second half of the second half we did because I remember Steve got two Steve and I got one and you got one and you got one I got two so yeah well I thought can you share them with me no I I'm going to I I talked to Richard Clark
today I'd like to be on the transportation committee and also I'm I'm on the Nearshore water uh committee and I was on that International Council for local environment initiatives okay where's that at I thought you were
that's I oh okay that's the bottom one okay so that would be Dawn where is he something else to okay anything Deb do you remember what you were on I wasn't because I was going to do something special with the um uh sewers uh Steve had they're not going to do that they we
had that discussion today so I said that I know so do you want to pick something now are we're just doing the special committees we're not doing the citizens advisory commit commes right we're doing everything we're doing yeah we're doing the part two whatever
um Steve you are you still taking the two uh what do you want water committees someone wants to someone wants to remind me I think it was the sanctuary advisory Council I Sanctuary I think you took the marine and the sanctuary yeah you took
are you okay with that what was it the the sanctuary advisory Council liaison and then the Marine National Mar sctu water quality is that okay with you yeah okay Deb well what's left uh well we can go
all the way up to uh the uh I've only I'm the only one who's got the Nearshore water in the top part no well I'm talking at the bottom oh I don't think there's anything left at the bottom unless you want to take one Steve wants to give one to you well I thought they coincide but
whatever um I thought Don Don had one too I thought Don had two actually he he I did the workforce affordable the other committee that's you want to stay in Workforce I'd love to where so that's Don for
Workforce Anna anything jumping out at you tickling your fancy I'll do LPA you want to do LPA yeah okay and go ahead take a second one you want
that okay Deb so that leaves HPC and the youth council at this point oh and in land acquisition I'll do how does sunshine apply with these with what with the alance to the
Committees you can speak to the Committees you're not you're not on the committee you're just liaison so you can speak to the committee members I take land acquisition in historical okay so land acquisition where's the history would anyone like you
counil and what are we missing youth council do we need one for youth Council who took near shore I have near shore oh sorry that's okay you youth I didn't get it recorded excuse me I just
didn't can get it recorded oh okay do we do we have one for the Youth Council or we good I mean do we have we don't have anyone for youth council at this point when do they meet and where at the high school um I believe they meet monthly here at like 4:00 in the afternoon on um
I don't know which day of the week it is they didn't get started until January so let's see oh that's right they go by the school year yeah but they didn't get started is Meed as needed they meet as needed yeah
wait let just Ste I've got two everybody got two I got two I got two you got two and you got two you had you had that that one that doesn't have any meetings is that right yeah that's his here that's that one up there one doesn't have me I want that
one there's what my problem is my pages are in the wrong yeah but I'm always on standby when they oh there you go at the drop of see that's the hard mayor can appoint Don you got youth counsel ping rank again okay I think we're good thank you
very much thank you okay now Okay so we've postponed the first part correct and we completed the second part and will you give us send us in each a copy of the final yes absolutely okay thank you do you do you need an
official vote of some sort it's an appointment by the mayor so so as long as mayor Mahoney blesses it that's we're good um is there a way that we can also get their schedule when they meet like I know the Nearshore water is going to
meet again in April can that be sort of provided for us so I can put it on my little calendar Absolutely I'll get all that for you this week okay okay ready to move on yes ma'am it said open public discussion but since we didn't have uh a vote on the first part
we're getting rid of that correct okay all right now we move to mayor council communication correct okay I see Steve you have something on here yeah I I asked to put this on the agenda I'm I think the
easiest thing to do is I i' just like to have a discussion on this see how y'all feel and I'm just going to read from the council communication I'm requesting consider ation of a resolution that directs The Village attorney to present the Village Council with proposed Personnel policies procedures to address
and resolve staff complaints against the village manager me members of The Village Council or the village attorney the policies and procedures should include an investigation of the merits of such complaints with due process afforded to all parties a written report of the investigation including findings
and recommendations would be provided to council members before being asked to consider or take action on such complaints the goal is basically to avoid uh the previous process that resulted in presenting such complaints directly to the Village Council for action for any investigation was
performed or recommendation made to council members regarding such complaints and as I understand it we have to direct or authorize the uh Village attorney to do that with a majority of members it's a a policy that it seems to be a gap and um I think we
just need to um maybe discuss it see if you all agree and uh ask the attorney to to proceed with that before Jamie Terry aren't you working on something for the a handbook or something for the council that will have all this in there is that
correct we're working on a policies and procedures would you up to the mic and introduce [Laughter] [Music] yourself Jamie Terry HR Director um we are working on a complete revision to our policies and procedures for the
employee handbooks which it will incl include um exceptions to the employee um complaint procedure which would address any complaints against the village manager and Steve did you want I'm Steve John did you want to say something I was just going to chime in and advise the
same thing and and you know we've been working on for a little while because there's a number of things that we've identified this being one of them so uh we anticipate it coming back uh in the near future I'd like to have the revision to y'all before uh the end of summer and before the budget process
starts so this is nothing new it's already been y'all are already work on this I understood that this has been going on like not the last manager started with the other manager and and has been going through so y'all are working on this already yeah there's several updates and this this part is
one piece of those updates thank you would that satisfy you Steve if we not really I I think that just a simple resolution you know a motion to to consider this resolution uh I believe that uh Mr Quick's um uh colleague Allison Smith has given a presentation
to Cutler Bay on the very same thing I think they have a a similar policy that they can present to us that is wholly separate that we can put into that and get this process going rather than keep uh working it down the line this is not the only time that this has happened
it's happened before so uh I don't understand why we can't just continue this right now I I'm I'm not really sure what the request is I mean we're we're working on this we're bringing it back we've staff had identified this before um I mean the passage of a resolution isn't going to do anything different I
mean we're going to bring back the exact same thing um uh unless there unless I'm missing something that there's there's something that that you're looking for that's not a complaint procedure for um anyone above a department head built into the um Personnel policy so maybe we
don't need to do it as a resolution but we simply just give direction to give direction to the Village the acting Village manager that we continue down this Trail and get it done as quickly as possible to the to the Village attorney to the Village manager or the village
yes either one because because he needs the authorization in order to do that that's and he's apparently had that because they're working on I don't have you received that authorization well I've been working with the village manager on it yes I mean this was something I mean staff does create things to present to the Village Council
as well in terms of things that we believe are uh required by law or best practice or updates this is one of those types of things so um this was planned to be coming back before you all or some something that would be becoming before you all to as an update for for a number
of those things so yes I've been working with the village manager uh and will continue to do so uh I mean if if staff if the council wants to to reinforce that I mean we would certainly welcome it I mean we uh we like to think we're working on the stuff you all want us to do um and uh you know I I think it
sounds like this is something you want us to bring back and and we'll bring it back for all consideration let's make it a priority all right well let's just make it formal I'd like to make a motion to direct the attorney to investigate and report back to counsel regarding policies and procedures for handling staff complaints against the village
manager members of the council or the village attorney wait I I need if there's a second I I would need some clarification because I don't know what I'm investigating um but I I'll wait to see if there's a second but I I would need some significant clarification just you'd be investigating any kind of
complaint if there was those are two different things there was a complaint filed is what he's talking about no I I don't think that's what you're saying at all I mean how would I investigate uh a complaint I I'm not I really don't understand what the motion is I have to be honest Steve see if I
see if I understand what you're trying to say is that if a employee files a complaint either against one of us or a manager or maybe a fellow um coworker coor workers are
covered already I'm sorry but if a complaint is filed before it goes anywhere you before it shows up
here you would like it to be investigated and that's what that procedure is what you're trying to put in place is for it to just not be um see I think the last I I know of two I think
the last ones were being worked on but hadn't been completed one was just kind of kicked down and one of them didn't want a public investigation one of the two no I'm confused so it you're you're wanting the procedure put in place that if a um
complaint is filed that there's an in investigation done on that complaint is that there's a procedure that there is a procedure which would include an investigation and a written report right so it's not that we have a
complaint on right now it's any future complaint is where you're trying to that's correct and that's what's wouldn't that already be in the HR handbook yeah it isn't well she's saying she's working on it can he saidis is
making a presentation at Cutler Bay uh well council member Freeman reached out to the manager of Cutler Bay and asked for some um uh examples of of what they have and and the the manager at Cutler Bay responded and said that Allison had made a presentation on that uh as part
as their part of their policy update um and so he was advised by U the color Bay manager of that but I'm not I mean that was part of a presentation when advising you you all I mean that was part of a
something that was being considered so as a presentation which again we would be making a presentation on all of these proposed changes in terms of why we think they're needed and and then you all would make a decision as to whether you agree or if you want to modify it in any way um because ultimately the policy
manual is approved by the the council can we get can we get some paper on what some of the ideas out there are from other cities of how they handle that so that when you bring It Forward we have an idea of what
what others are doing so we can mimic is that helpful I I attempted to do that that's one of the examples I reached out to several cities yeah you did it but I'm trying to get it when do you anticipate this being it just seems to me like it's just a formality I think he needs to be authorized to do this so
we're we're simply just covering our tracks so that he can put this forth and in something that can be complementing what they're doing already I think what they're trying to say is they're already working on so what
additional is you want I'm trying to be supporting just formalizing formalizing the authorization for this particular part of the Personnel policy handbook but they said they're already doing it okay Sheil go ahead correct so staff has
already we already have a draft policy and procedures manual it is out to department heads at this point in time for recommendations and then once we get through that it will go to the Village attorney and he will further review the
draft and we can add or you know give if what we currently have maybe doesn't have enough meat meat on it or whatever we can have the attorney add to it before we bring it back to you I think we're taking two one thing and trying to split it apart and do two things so just
do it all at one time with the policy and procedures manual we're pretty close we're within I don't know a month or two of um probably two months of getting it to the attorney for his um review and then to you guys so we're probably
looking at the end of summer though before we would get it to us right I I would I would like it to be like the June time frame to get it to you oh um because I would like it to be before we get into budget in case there's any um
monetary um things that we're looking at that would impact the budget okay all right I think are we yeah well I I I understand that I would still like to reiterate my motion if someone would like to Second it we can go on there I would just say if you're going to make any sort of motion it
needs to be not not just directed to the the attorney but obviously staff we work hand inand with the manager's office and with HR um so I mean we're hearing what you want we're bringing it anyway but um I would just request that it be expanded
so that okay okay so you made a motion does anybody want to Second it or we just going to wait till June okay thank you Jamie thank you okay um I am supportive of what you're trying to
do I am too I am too I am supporting of that okay and we will still be bringing this back I will discussed thank you very much okay uh me wendley key the parking situation on windley key
what okay thanks I didn't know sorry I guess I didn't know what order we're taking them in sorry um um I was Jennifer I guess that would be who would answer the question of are we moving forward with that since we voted to do it and it was somehow shoved under the
table I want to pull it out of it under the table thank you Madame mayor it was I it wasn't shoved under the table uh if you notice my list of projects that I'm planning to discuss with you later it's on that list yep um you know when uh Rob
was here and it was directed and voted that we look at that you know he had then discussed it with myself and AJ and Peter to have that conversation um all three of us have been working on other things so you know I'm not saying it wasn't a top priority but we just haven't got around to it at the time I
will also say though that from a planning perspective it would be my recommendation that instead of looking at individual sections of the village regarding parking in the right of way I think it makes more sense for the village to look at wholly at all of the parking and how we want to address the
parking issues within the village and do that as one whole project versus bandid band aiding individual pieces because I would agree with you normally but um they're already starting to put trailers on the
rideway there's been cars parked there and that is probably one of the biggest the worst areas I would say and so I I do agree that we need to do the whole uh Community but um I'm afraid of what we're going to be looking at it down the
road and this people at Anglers Reef were extremely excited that we passed it we're going to do it so they've called me and I just want to give them some type of an update and I certainly would hate to say to them oh 6 Months 8 months down the road so I don't know how that
can be rectified okay well it it was one of the projects that I wanted more Direction on priority from the council so if the council directs us to make that the top priority we can certainly move that forward well Ty's here representing them and do you want to say anything Ty or you and then Deb you go next
okay thank you madam mayor U members of council Ty Harris with all firm of Tai Harris PA Plantation Shores the we we've had this discussion you actually have a a plan to deal with windley key and windley key is a little
bit as we've talked about every island in is Marat is a little bit different than the other and they all have unique issues when we talk about plantation key you're going to be dealing with parking for businesses that are existing like the coral reef Restoration Group they're
parked half a mile down the road completely different deal than what we're talking about with windley key where we're trying to manage um some reasonable parking accommodations that were there for 17 years and then were kind of pulled away
um so we may want to have a more holistic approach at some point but the pinch point right now in the village is windley key there's already we've already paid for a study to show you how it can be done so there's actually a a a
plan in place where you can pick up 30 or 40 spots without you know destroying the the the look that we're trying to get in windley key and um I would say at least that sets up the model for how you might want to approach it but completely different issues when you're dealing
with Plantation than when Le key agree uh Deb you were want to say something um yes each I totally agree that each island is a little bit different and in fact somebody suggested me in the last few
weeks days whatever that in our comp plan work that we need to the county has um some information that if in in this area you do it one way or in this area that that you can make Alterations by an
area because theirs is extremely long but we all know that lower mumi is nothing like Wiley key and so we need to adjust for that um maybe I was really going to say that I I
really think we need to do it as a whole and maybe through the comp plan um because by the time but now I I really like the idea of doing a by Island uh I'd like to do all I do I'm sorry you're
fine wasn't prepared for all of this discussion on this um but uh but that even if we say tonight make it a priority by the time you you you're you're going to have to do some
infrastructure out there and whatever you're still talking 6 months you're still by the time we get it done it'll be 6 months no matter what but um I think we need to look at it as a whole by the island but that's a
conversation maybe for three or four tabs down the way haven't haven't they agreed to maintain and pay for yes yeah the I mean what we started with was the vision that's why we brought you a landscape Architects plan showing real
spaces that are dimensioned and how that vision and what we're trying to accomplish from a look standpoint in Isam marada is still accomplished by but still allowing some amount of parking and so that was the that was the easy part the complicated part was the
discussion on who's going to pay um at least for Anglers they're committed to to you know entering into an agreement with the village to to maintain and to pay for for those places that are in front of theirs because they know that's that's going to serve their group I mean
it gets a little more complicated when you get to the hotels and that's where I know um vice mayor um Horton was talking about you know a more of a metered approach because those are those people are going to be there on a daily basis or or going to be parking there and we
were only talking about just to refresher by memory cars and not trailers um the idea was still we need to funnel those folks off to temporary storage and not trying to take up those parking places uh because this is really
for day guest people that are there or people that that need you know for an overnight accommodation and extra space so that that that part could be worked out I think it'll be a little different a little tailored for hotels differently
than a than a town home Community that's full of residents but those things can all be worked out we just need to get the plan on paper and decide what that's going to cost so we can start talking to people like um Anglers as to what they
need to budget to to get their part done okay how many other UMES recogniz anybody how many other places on Wiley key um might need something similar just so we' look at the island as a whole we
we ran it down to uh Fisher in we stopped it at Fisher in because if you know after Fisher in thats it Narrows down and it doesn't make a lot of sense you know we've got the affordable housing project that we're still churning on um that's all going to have
self-contained parking and then after that you get to another Resort that has a ton of parking um and then you're kind of into the the residential part where it splits off and you got OV and all that and that's really not where you need the parking so we only
have two maybe three yeah it's not a big SE along there right but you've got you've got the trailer park that has always had struggles with and that's the part that gets the junkiest looking no offense but that's what happens and so the idea is to kind of nip that in the
bud and um and give them them some options but I don't represent them I represent Anglers okay Don's wanting to say something I just I had a question for you what is it Trailer part parking that's out of control or is it just well intermittent parking it's there was one
trailer cuz I go by there twice a day right between my store and my house and there was a a trailer there for like two days and then there were I counted three different cars on so they're starting to utilize again yeah we're starting and
again I don't really want to give them tickets and stuff because we did lead them to believe that we were going to do something to help them but is this parking from that from from Ang it's not in front of Anglers we've told all of our members
let the vill get let Village have the time to do it but I think I think it's an education thing that we we're not allowing parking there at this time I called and somebody just went and knocked on a window they didn't give a ticket they just let them know that you know this is no parking right now did
you guys want to say anything okay so where are we then where are we what do we well I I mean we kind of got got control in that area and I hate to see it to get out of I would too that's what I'm afraid is going to happen we're going to go back to what it was so maybe
we when we start talking priorities Jennifer maybe we'll put that at the top of your priority list is that okay I think that sounds like what we're hearing up here is that is that agreeable I like it okay oh thank you and I like it because it's one that
everybody seems to agree on we which is a good place to start thanks thank you thank you to public okay well what are you going to go ahead you got two minutes hurry up two minutes we discussed this before and uh
I believe we came up with the idea that it should be no parking no all along there and uh they can be uh well you know everybody says we need hammocks that could be a hammock from from Fisher
all the way to the Hog Heaven could be a hammock just depends what you plant there and I see they're planting a lot of little bushes but the little bushes are not big trees Big Trees give shade and habitat for the animals and U that's
what we need and we need a bunch of no parking signs because what you what you're saying Madame mayor is correct that it's going to become another parking lot for trailers and cars if there are no signs and no uh um
consequences for for people to do that so th this is this road is owned by The Village the the both sides of that road have right away and you should not impede the ride of way of the village
which owns that road by granting certain uh places along there the the reason that they have a problem is because they were poorly planned no one plann for their parking appreciate it van but let me tell you what those are taxpayers and
I look at my position sitting up here is to help figure out Solutions and to tell them it's too bad you bought those places to me we're going to have hammock we're going to have parking to me I think it's a no-brainer and I'm sorry you felt that way we voted to move
forward so thank you I think U I think we can have the combination at both is nice planting in there and some parking in there and control the parking and eventually come you know they're willing to pay for the parking you're we have parking issues all over
this town we all know it and we need to do little things like this to help fix those issues uh it needs to be controlled so it doesn't look like trash yeah okay need to be controlled all right so Jennifer you've had enough of
this now all right Deb I have one more thing and then I'll do yours AJ I'd like to put some picnic tables back where they were across from um a maray with maybe a trash can a couple picnic tables because
you got that little area that people want to pull off and have their lunch and stuff you know what I'm talking about concrete yeah that was an old do restop um yes and I don't know somebody I talked to Sheila about this and she said you had come up with some material
or something uh that would work so I just want the blessing that we can move forward and do that yeah not a problem the the old picnic tables that were there before FKA came in and did their project were getting pretty bad so I told them just to to get rid of them and when the time was right an artificial
Reef that you just threw out well now we know how you're going to be spending your weekend building some picnic tables absolutely but if we could do that just two three and one garbage can is everybody okay with that sure yeah I think we can start with at least two maybe around the there's a couple
trees there areas and a trash cans and take it from there let AJ figure out what he thinks is the best um whether it's a concrete table table we'll probably put the poly tables that we've
been the statues come back yeah can you turn the statues in maybe artificial re they may be artificial reefs too thank you AJ I greatly appreciate it okay now Deb you wanted to talk about uh okay let me talk about F DOT first F Dot and the
crosswalks we had that presentation 3 months ago something like that and we we were pushed then to say we didn't need to make a decision I think we all kind of decided that we weren't interested in the crosswalks I
just want to give if if that's still the general consensus I just want to give Sheila the direction to reach out to do and see if they need anything official I think that they got the word yeah but I think they did but we don't need them to
come back and say oh well we've been working on this we just need to give them an official word if they need an official word so I just wanted everybody's blessing that that's where we were going yeah I checked the um dot website I didn't see any mention of this project
but I'll reach out to the um project manager Mr Siara I believe his name was and just to just to clarify and verify that we ar interested in moving forward with it and then uh the second one is the Isam entrance sign the one um uh Mr
Rosenthal thought it needed replacing and moved it doesn't need replacing and moved it needs to stay where it is but it might need a little bit of a f facelift I don't think it's ever been facelift since it was put in it is um I
don't think there's anything physically wrong with it besides meing needing a little paint and some uh protection put back on it so the colors are back we found the one at by Taver Creek yes oh yes I don't think there's one on the other end is there is there one on the
south end leing NADA we don't have one on the south end do we I think it's only on one end so uh in this upcoming budget cycle I will be uh requesting to repl replace
each of those signs the the one on the south side is gone it was gone during Irma and it was never replaced the one the one on the south end by channel two okay and the one on the North End if you go up close to it you'll see it's uh
it's been we' we've Band-Aid it as much as we can to keep it going it's going to be probably I have access to a professional painter that thinks that she can fix it for little paint it's the material itself okay but yeah I we can discuss that yeah if you want to put
them in contact with me we can go take a look at it okay we might also want to consider with the con FKA Construction in that area maybe waiting till they get out of that area before we try to do anything in there and get any a contractor even if it's just to paint
the sign it might put them in danger with all that going on so maybe we sign while they're working and we that could happen too money on the budget perfect talk with the ACU about that few
months when they're through that then then we'll into it that Directional Boring messes up all signs in the way yeah shaking around go ahead okay so so real quick I'm going to switch hats and as
president of the Upper Keys rotary to thank the village and especially the staff Maria and Annie big time for all of their help and the use of the park during the gigantic nautical Market that it was very much appreciated kilargo
rotary what do you think yeah absolutely so wonder I just want to throw that out real quick okay great Community all right Deb is that take care of you um yes as long as somewhere down I I just wanted to freshen it up I don't think it needed replacing but I haven't
investigated it that time so so if I see your car pulled over you're checking out the wood right I'm checking out it's not wood okay all right moving on um charitable contributions donations um have you guys given it any
thought yeah um yes well I know how you feel no you don't yes well you wanted to do the doctors and things like that so am I correct well yeah sure if you want to speak for me sure I'm go ahead go ahead
no no no go ahead Don you you've got the floor I didn't ask to but I'll take it um so I've talked to a lot of people about this a lot of people about this is and cuz I'm I'm struggling and and so
and then when I uh looked at the report that staff gave us on this um you know there's there's multiple ways of of of doing this um I think that I talked to somebody at the county once where they thought that
they used um they found grant money and they use the sheriff's F and for for money uh when it comes in um and and they utilize that somehow um I see that uh Marathon
budgets 150 in their fiscal year but Marathon also I think they use a lot of their money from their uh what they get off off their boat ramp for that I think that's where they funnel that in uh and they make a lot of money off their boat ramp and I hear a lot of complaints
about people that have to pay for that boat ramp it's a lot um and then Key West doesn't have a formal program I I think I said it the last time is is I feel like a donation is something that's personal and that um you know I um I
have particular uh not for-profits or or or U um health systems that I that I like to donate to and I don't think that that I don't think the government should be taking necessarily people's tax dollars and then deciding how they're
going to spend people's tax dollars um I know I know that it's painful uh to to for these not for profits and but you know if you look at at I I had asked staff to print it out for me Lisa was
kind enough to in the past what since 2021 The Village has handed out three almost $300,000 in in taxpayer money crazy and I think that's I don't I don't I just don't think that's necessary I agree so um
I don't think we need to have a formal program that's just me okay Anna I agree I think it's wrong to take taxpayers money to give out to charity nothing against any of the Charities but I think it's completely wrong to do that um personally as people in the community
and businesses in the community we get hit up daily for sponsorships donations and I think it should be up to the person to whom and if they want to donate to them and it shouldn't be up to government to decide where their money goes
Steve um yeah I mean I share that concern I I I also share the concern of of these organizations that uh that badly need some help and I'm just concerned about um cuts that are happening across the board federally and also in the state
and that somebody might really need some help at some point so so to see it totally shut down uh I'm I'm not really in favor of that but um you know I'll go along with the consensus well I agree with Mr Dalton I don't think um we
should take the taxpayers money and make decisions on what charities we want to donate to I run a 501c3 and I've never asked for a dime from this Village never and uh I know mine's animals and I know you're
concerned about people and stuff but um last year we cut it and I think I'm the only one from last year up here and we cut it to only like 60,000 and we G because it was crazy you know I remember Henry sitting in here and
saying I feel generous tonight how much do you want and it was like wow he gave him $50,000 I mean that's not really our decision I'm torn too because I know the good health clinic and some of these places need help but we're not their
only funding source I mean we're not and again if people we have a lot of wealthy people in this town and uh clearly we have a lot of people with a lot of money who can donate to Charities and causes that they feel is important so I'm going
to stand with these two and I don't think we need to be in it so so I'll make my speech even though I can see where this is going um we also we do have a lot of rich people in this town and they do need to
step up and and help where they can and and where they want to we also have a lot of people that you don't see many of them I probably see several because of my hotel uh that need a lot of help we have
no social services in this town we have little medical that they can go to and they are they are in need the the food banks serve I don't know 150 200 people a week
the good health clinic serves people that there's no money for anybody else there's a mental counseling and and I I'm I'm all for for putting a limit on it but I really think that that there's
got to be a human side to this and to think about government isn't there to support everybody and everything you are totally right but we are there to serve our citizens and our citizens range from
people who have no income to people who have millions of income okay so where do we go from here you take a vote excuse me you take a vote do you want to do public comment first oh oh huh sure if if you guys are
going to make a motion on anything uh on how to proceed then yes we should take public comment okay so does anybody have anything they want to say Mr Dalton I know you how you felt anybody else are you going to talk I didn't put in a on this
because I didn't realize we were going to have a discussion but uh once again I I agree with Mr Dalton and I agree with the people that think that uh this ought to be the individual taxpayer uh donating what he or she deems
appropriate to whatever charity they deem appropriate and I don't think it's appropriate for this body to uh uh arbitrarily Dole out money on a regular basis so uh you know I'm falling in with
the majority of you I think and Mr Dalton and I hope a majority of the people in the village and we recognize that there's there's human you know humans and animals uh both need help and and I think that the the heart in Isa
marada is big enough to take care of both of them and I don't think we need the Village Council to interject itself into that process thank you anybody else want to say anything before we take a vote Joe yes Joe wishm Plantation key
you know there's things that we can do I was always taught and I grew up with the harder you work the more you'll get ahead these people these these uh organizations that need the money if they can do fundraisers instead of donating money to these Charities maybe
you could donate say you can use part of the park to help with your fundraiser or something that doesn't actually cost the taxpayers even though we may not agree with whatever organization that you happen to be supporting at that time but I'm I I don't have any problem with
donating some of the time and summon the land for them to do their events so I think that would be a very good alternative very good thank you hi hi hey welcome I see you back there I am back there I was back there I'm here
right now Andy Newman lower metac key um I concur with the two previous speakers that's all thank you okay so council do what do we do now John is a motion for what so we have a resolution on the charitable giving process it says
it's subject to uh you know final decision subject to council including whether to fund it uh so I guess the question would be um if you want us if you want us to bring back a resolution resending all of that we can do that at the next meeting um in the meantime what
you could do is you could make a motion to not fund the uh charitable giving um that way there's an action taken today and then we could bring that back or if you just want to make the motion and not fund you would you could could you would have to deal with this on a yearly basis
um which you could do which whichever one you all prefer okay do do I have a motion from anyone I'll make the motion to resend the previous resolution and zero funding so it would be exactly what you said
okay so it would be a motion to to to not fund it and then for uh uh staff to bring back a resolution resending the prior resolutions do I have a second I'll second morning to call the rooll please council member Anna
Richards yes vice mayor Don Horton yes council member Steve fredman no council member Deb Gillis no and mayor Sharon Mahoney yes the motion passes 3 to two
okay all right I think that covers everything moving to Village attorney Village communication John did you want to say something yes so the first the first item was just I wanted to get um liaz on for the uh Ted Ted Yates
litigation um from amongst the council members uh so that we can um schedule a uh um if we need to schedule a mediation and whatnot we have somebody who can uh who can attend on behalf of the coun is it my understanding that Steve you can they apparently like don't like to have
these meetings at uh night or on weekends I know like yeah I I understand I do I work too so I apologize for the inconvenience I I was willing to take part at just not working with my schedule in the spring yeah no I mean we we understand I I I didn't mention because I didn't want to put you on the spot but yeah we uh we understand and so
um you know with with moving forward um I'd like to say no to me because I was on that council with him so it's very uncomfortable for me so why you guys want to volunteer I'll do it nobody else wants it which one one of those I'll do it
okay is that okay with you works for me okay all right so we I'll let the uh Insurance defense Council know to contact you uh councilwoman Gillis thanks okay Sheila yeah uh Sheila I believe Europe
up uh yes so last uh council meeting we had a brief discussion on the holiday lights we've reached out to the uh current contractor whose uh three-year contract is up um they provided us with a couple of options that I provided to
you those were provided late um last end of last week an option is 61,000 and one's 81,000 um just looking for a little more direction if you how much you want to spend um it appears that this is one of
the few companies that does this type of thing so I don't know if an an RFP will be very fruitful if we send an RFP out well back in 2021 I found some documents where they have had expanded the areas
outside of Founders Park um to like the welcome sign uh North Plantation key light intersection um and so forth so if you want to provide me a little better idea of what you're planning budget wise I
can go back and and get with them and maybe get a different plan well let me start by saying Henry Rosenthal I'd love you and I adore you but I'm not I don't think we should spend $110,000 on Christmas lights that are just really here what they do at South
Winds is just I don't even know what that was this year that was part of the program yeah I know but I'm just saying it wasn't anything great and uh so uh I think we need to cut down on holiday lights how does everybody else
feel so I yeah I agree we need to cut down but I do not want it to to go away I during my one-on ones I I don't want all of this I was just making a list of possibilities of things that do that we
take the maybe we make because it's the center of town because it's always open to everybody maybe we make the monument the center of town and make that spectacular for Christmas that's good that's an idea I had a lot of people who said that they like just Village what
what about the rest of us in all marada so Monument would be The Monument's kind of the center of and you got to have the ornament cuz everybody takes pictures of the ornament that orament ditch the nautical stuff out here the uh that needs to go if if we did something here
in the the park I you know in on the pool building I don't know how much it saves I I tried to look at it but I didn't break it down um we had seven or eight Reeves on this building we don't need 7 of these maybe one or two on the door or something you know we can cut
way back we can uh let's See's go down through this the pool building is almost $8,000 the pool building yeah see we don't we don't need $8,000 worth of lights on this the trees coming in everybody loves the trees coming in the
trees what can we get for half of what we spent let's just say 60,000 so the 61 ,000 eliminated the all of the reef related um decorations and the water Reef stuff
yeah all that so it's just basically your traditional lightings the trees these buildings um the monument and um this little Lighthouse and coming in does Village Hall Public Works does Village Hall you
like doing that how much does that cost I I asked about that and he said it and Dyson uh he said it took a couple days for his staff to do that I I don't really think that's necessary to wrap that building that's a big building to
wrap um the the trees are beautiful but it is technically the Park's closed at night yeah you know that's a good point too there's a lot of people here though doing sports and everything else in the
even just do L trees well maybe less tight in the W less trees might look weird every other tree it's it's 61,000 it's the tree wraps are very expensive yeah but it's 61,000 if we
eliminate the pool building that's almost $8,000 that takes us down to what 53 either that or we can take some of take this and transpose it to maybe some other areas so the 61,000 if we look at
that kind of as a package and then maybe spread it out a little maybe do more at the um monent yeah um and their timing they were here to like the end of January which to me is way too long I believe the I believe the contract said
something about January 31st in the past yeah that's so that's yeah that's kind of like it says through January 2nd includ it was here longer but it says their contract says January 2nd oh well that makes sense it's probably a timing of them being able to get it down
because they more than one time um I I would like to see the the monument uh enhanced maybe not that much more than what we did but uh made a a prominent thing and less here in the park I agree is so do we need can we
save 50,000 and what need to make a motion or how do we do this what do we do from here I I think it's just staff Direction I think we you know we've got it and I think Sheila can move forward and and see what we can do yeah I'll just I'll reach out and get a better plan like this this just got we got this
late and it was just a quick what can we get for 5075 whatever and that they kind of took the same plan and just you know reduced some of the areas but we can work with them and get a maybe a new it doesn't it doesn't obligate us to to pay for it we'll just see what they'll do for that
amount and then we could put it out to one of our wealthy residents to see if they would want to offset some of those costs there you go we can have them put it up and just not pay for it you could do that actually why not sure okay okay so moving along Jamie Terry want to come
back up again please okay so basically looking for direction um not a decision but just Direction um um on what we're what your wishes are for moving forward with the village
manager uh selection process so provided um option one and option two option one would be Florida only uh candidates first I interview them first and then
move on if if uh nothing is yielded from that yes how many Florida res do we have six there's six candidates that's pretty good number mm out yeah well I I believe it's a good pool of candidates to choose from or to
start from um we actually got a lot more candidates than I was anticipating from um Florida but that's great um so my question to you would be the next step of the process would be individual interviews um we can set you up at
Village Hall in individual rooms separate ated um the candidates could um come through each of you you interview them with a set of questions that hopefully we um I sent them to you before so it
would just be if you like the set of questions or if you wanted to ask different questions but basically I'm looking for the process so that I could set up a day or two days that we would do these interviews I like how we did that last time down I think it was in
the the police police firefighters area yeah we would have you between um I'm anticipating like between the first floor and the third floor we have conference rooms on the first floor and offices that um you can have one-on-one interview with the candidates um and
we'll keep you separated and keep people moving through so my question would be if you wanted to do all six in one day we could do 3: in the morning break for lunch 3 in the afternoon um and then timing uh Council Dave
you have the fishing thing isn't it better for us to try to do it all in one day we got to find the day but better to do it all in one day than spread it over two days for you I mean yeah theoretically but I mean if I could also jump in toward the end
you know of both days or something like that take them out fishing talk to there you go you can yeah well the way the way it works is kind of a round robin yeah one person at each council member you start with with number one take all day you start with number one she has number
two she has number three when that interview's done you get number three she has number one number two it's it we were here almost eight hours last time so it is a full day do you have a day open soon I do
not will they come and interview midnight not during the week what about a weekend would they come for a weekend would that work I I personally don't mind doing it on the weekend I as I don't have a problem I don't want
to hinder the process so I can need to be involved we're in this together so don't worry but I can reach out to them individually there's other ways that that I could possibly do it whether that's uh by Zoom or something like that well do you want to look at Saturday or Sunday and see what's best for the six
to come down first they don't need to come down we can zoom all these they were here in person I think it's important body language I is important for Florida res um it's it's not I mean I don't have a
problem with Saturday I can be here to facilitate it on a Saturday it doesn't bother me okay with I'm okay if Steve can find a date if you you want to look at your calendar first and tell us what Saturdays and Sundays you're available and then she can reach out to them I
look I just I'll clear what every day I have to I can move everybody away so I I think I can CLE done I can't give you that date right now but I can work no I didn't think you could but yeah go do around schedle for process wise it our
Our Hope would be if we could do this before the um April 8th meeting and then we could do the when you narrow it down to the top three or four is our recommendation whatever you suggest so that's you're
talking April 8th like in two weeks yeah three three three whatever yeah so so the so I think I'm hearing it right is like in the next week or two we'd have this round robin we narrow that six to
so he needs to check his schedule right yep and then at April the 8th we have public contact here I I don't know when were you talking about maybe a a meeting GRE that's even before the meeting yeah
like or after well Tuesday our our thought was Tuesday you would have the narrowed down candidates give a three or four whatever you guys decide or all six doesn't matter um have a brief 5 10 minute
pitch um elevator speech and then uh Wednesday have the public meet and greet and then Thursday hopefully you guys can make a decision that's what we did last time and that was out by the pool PR yes we decided that we're just going to visit
with the Florida candidates well there's 16 of them so we can't do all 16 of them at once we can what would you no I think that we we can do whatever we we all agree to do I'm just thinking that maybe we could just pick out the six candidates that we like the best compare and see if there's overlap in some of
those and then if there is someone that is from out of state we could make that invitation for them to join physically if they can or by Zoom I'd just like to find the best candidate I I do too and I feel like that the past councils is has always started picking people out of out
of Florida with no Florida experience and and and that's why I thought if we started off with just the the uh uh the ones that are Florida candidates that have experience that live in Florida we're not relocating someone we're not flying them down here to have an
interview or anything like that and um and and I'm hoping we can find somebody out of the floor candidate yeah I I understand that I just think that you know there might be other V viable candidates that I don't want to overlook have you have you read
them have you looked I don't mean I don't mean this is going to come out the way it said have you looked at the the other the out of state is there somebody that you don't have to say who is there one or two that you yeah there there's a couple that I would be interested in talking
to Okay well that can't be done by April maybe it can I don't know well if if you do those if we do those by Zoom you don't have to fly them down here no whatever you guys want I'm good with option one honestly
what's say what's I'm good with option one what's option one florid yeah the Florida Florida first what's option one option one and I say first because if you get through the interview process and you're still not decided and it's not the best candidate we can drop into
those other candidates it's not like we have to stop there you know um I'm confident that you'll find somebody and in those six that are at least local and know what they're getting into yeah so the direction would be for Steve to tell us your
availability within the next 3 weeks right and then you getting them here yeah as soon as you guys give me the go- ahead that the six I can start backgrounds on those six and I can get
the the interview date and we can start rolling from there okay so go ahead then then I'm going to throw it out there because I I I was hoping we could do this this week or next week I cannot I cannot do it the third or the 4th of
April you're fired so I hope that's that's right on top of the council meeting anyway so it probably wouldn't that's fine be that late okay the third and the fourth oh that's a weekend I can't wed Friday yeah I can't do the the
weekend of the fifth there seems to be an well yeah I I couldn't do the fifth either but why would the fifth my great-granddaughter is going to turn six and she we're taking her to Disney oh good for you thir and I'm working island fest that's
right I knew that's a way better excuse than mine what's that that's a way better excuse than mine yeah I know right I'll move my work out of the way my granddaughter stays where she's at on so then the direction Jamie is that Steve will give you a call and uh you will reach out to the six people from
Florida and we'll start with them and then we'll figure out another date if we want to pull down people from outside of Florida is that agreeable anybody okay with that let's get her done okay thank you Jamie thank you hang jie wait I have one I have one
question um before you don't leave um so now that once we decide how we're going or when we're going to do the interviews um are you guys comfortable with the scoring Matrix that had put together so when you do your interviews how you can
score them so that this way we can maybe come up with a numerical number of this is this person got the top number so we're going to keep 1 2 3 4 5 six or is is that scoring method okay with you guys um to tell you the truth I didn't
use your sheet last time which is probably now in hindsight I should have but uh I didn't do it last time so it's okay okay I was wondering I thinking what sheet I didn't see that but uh I mean if you want to do that after we come out of the room I guess we can do a
piece of paper and hand it to you and yeah I would recommend well I would recommend that if you use the scoring sheet you turn that into me at the end of the day I can tabulate all the scores and then come back to you and say your top four candidates are this without the
scores cuz then we'll make the score sheets available at the council meetings so they're in the sunshine so so when you when you say your score sheet I can make it bigger yeah a little bigger if you don't mind well if we're only going to do the six it will expand on that
page so okay I might also I might also want to ask is on here there's already three score columns yes um do we want to include those scores or just score
them on the other what is that five categories one two three four five categories you can do it either way the the pre-screening was done on those first three categories which are the minimum requirements for the job but the other five are based on the behavior-based
interview questions that you guys would be asking and the we can do the score either way the three the pre-screening would uh there's a couple of those candidates that would lose five points automatically through the pre-screening so that's do you want to score them just
on the five or do you want the whole think I don't understand what you're saying well the six would be so the the six include these to oh I see what you're saying Yeah well yeah the yeah I get you get it I think you can score them just on the um interview
questions leave the pre-screening numbers off the pre-screening numbers were to get them to this point so they got that total that number that we needed to be qualified and then you'll just do it on the interview questions yeah take your other
five and then go yeah and we'll see that Matrix too so we can kind of see what might have been omitted and maybe why so that so the scoring is not totally skewed like if I want to leave something blank see I don't want it skewed by right the pre-screen the pre-c screen can be separate there there's not of of
the six in Florida if we stick with it there's not a lot but there is some yeah there is some so well every point would count so L for a poter you never know there's a guy on there from last time yeah yeah he's not a Florida guy so yeah
but he's not a Florida guy so we lost okay are we one one item just to reminder um when using the sheets uh make sure to put your names on them um because these are public records and uh you cannot have uh secret ballot so we can do it by written um for scoring sheet but you def you have to have your
name uh on attach and you'll provide the sheets for us yeah I would provide the sheets I would take off the pre-screening numbers Y and just have the numbers for the questions and that way you can just write down your score after each interview and then when we're all done you hand them to me and and
I'll tabulate everything okay um then you'll give us what like the top three yeah if you guys want the top three the top four if there's if it's really close like okay I mean that's not going to determine who gets a job no no cuz then we would do
the you know public and as long as we use use consistent questions and don't ask the the I can't use that I can't ask those questions I know that stuff yeah but uh we don't have to use the ones you
provided except thank you for providing questions yeah um and if you do I would I would just if you make your own question just make sure that it's asked every single time exactly the same way which is why these behavior-based questions are important and they're
structured the way they are they've been vetted for comprehension um so when you make up questions you just need to make sure that they're vetted for comprehension can would you want those beforehand there yes yeah
oh okay um can you put out the list of you can't you you can't ask questions like I don't think we need to if we use your questions but well you can have warmup questions where you're just you know like tell me a little bit about yourself some those
you're not allowed to have well you're gonna have some written down right maybe you can run them past her to HR to make sure that they're not I know I know that list I I do have a list of don't ask through that process right yeah I can give those to you so you can look
down before you start asking okay we good we thank you okay John quick this is um we've got uh Tab 7 so there's going to be an update on the uh takings law um my partner Alicia
Gonzalez is is on actually via Zoom she's going to be presenting and she's got a slideshow um so Frank if you can if you can bring that up that would be great a she came down um or she presented number of months ago I guess on this issue but there's been some
change in the law there was a recent decision um out of marathon so uh it's a it's an important enough issue that we wanted to make sure sure um I mean I know I've spoken with with um with you all individually uh to advise you a little bit on it but we we felt it important enough to to have the
presentation to make sure you're all aware of it from uh someone like Alicia who this is what she does she's an expert in this area and also so the public can hear you know about this new case and about some of the new developments so I will turn it over to Alicia uh who can lead us through
that good evening Village Council I hope you all can see me um John already gave me an introduction so I won't belabor the point but I've I've been practicing in the area of eminent domain and taking claims uh law in for
for over 15 years now so this is definitely my area of the law um so I I presented before in August of 2024 and at that time we did an overview of the main claims that come up when property
is is impacted by regulation um and so we covered inverse condemnation regulatory takings Bert Harris act claims substantive due process procedural due process and equal protection today we are not going to cover all of that we are just going to
focus on the changes to regulatory takings law that has happened as a result of the case of shans V city of Marathon which was recently decided by the Florida 3D DCA which which is an appellate court in Florida that hears
cases that come out of Monroe County um and so the decision was rendered on February 5th 2025 it's still not technically final because all the Motions that could be filed after you get a final District Court opinion have
not um the time for those motions has not passed um but for our purposes I think it's it's it's enough finalized so that we can start talking about what some of the implications
are okay so what changed um in and and again this is the shans case be city of Marathon shans has actually been pending in the trial court since 2004 I'm going to go over the history of it um and and
it's gone up on appeal uh this is the third time so you you might have heard of this case before and and each time there have been opinions rendered that have impacted the way that the keys you know should be doing things when it
comes to property rights um the shans decision this time around was an onbon decision which means that the ENT entire District Court of Appeals uh made the decision and so that's not usual usually you get a three judge panel this time it
was a 10 judge panel so it was the entire District Court um it changed several aspects of takings law as we know it um and and just to be clear it does not change Bert Harris act claims because the Bert Harris act claim was not part of this litigation in
particular so a little bit of the background on the Shan's case and I think it's important to understand because I think and I've every time I address this Council um I emphasize that every case has to be taken on its own facts so it's important to understand
the background of the Shan's property so that you can understand the implications of the case um so in 1956 Dr shans purchased a 7.9 acre offshore island in the Florida Keys that's known as Shan's Kei he paid
$20,500 uh for it at the time and um at the time it was under Monroe County jurisdiction and it was zoned General use which means that one home could be built per acre and the island consists of 7.9 Acres so essentially they could
get seven homes uh Dr shans also concurrently purchased 7even Acres of the surrounding Bay bottom uh so that he can build a bridge to the mainland that was his purpose at the time in 1963 Dr shans died leaving the property to his
wife in 1979 the Florida legislature designated the Florida Keys an area of critical State concern now what's interesting is like even every although every property has to be taken on its own facts the legislative history of
what has happened in the keys and how the regulations have evolved is very similar for all cases so this part is applicable to to all cases obviously um and in in 1979 um this change subjected
all ldrs and comp plan elements to approval by the state uh in 1985 Dr Shan's wife transferred the shans key to her four adult children at the time and those are the current litigant in this case in 1986 Monroe County adopted a
comprehensive plan the comprehensive plan down zoned shans key to an offshore island which limits development to one dwelling unit per uh every 10 acres because there are not 10 acres on the islands that meant that they could not
have any residential development on the island but they could use it for recreational uses um and the new designations in 1986 Were Meant to preserve ve natural resources and dis disincentivize development in 1993 Monroe County
adopted the rogo system which we are probably all familiar with but just for purpose for posterity it's a competitive permit allocation system for residential development uh the rogo system was designed to guide development away from
environmentally sensitive areas which we'll learn later on in the timeline that chance key happens to be an environmentally sensitive area rogo also ensures residents safety during Hurricane evacuation and preserves natural resources so as we all know
hurricane evacuation is a big issue in the keys and that's partially why residential development has been so restricted especially in recent years and this has been in place since at least 1993 so in 1999 the city of Marathon
incorporates and adopts Monro County comp plan and ldrs so essentially nothing changed when mon County Incorporated they just adopted whatever mroe County had in place which was already sufficiently restrictive for for whatever purposes the city had and then
shans key remains designated an offshore island as I mentioned and areas not connected to us one um are not meant to um areas not connected to US1 are meant to remain protected areas under the comprehensive plan that Monroe County
adopted at this time so from 2004 to 2007 this the next major Milestone this is when the Shan's children apply for a dock permit on Shan's key the permit is denied because a dock would interfere with highly high quality hammock with
Mangrove Fringe that surrounds the island and that is suitable habitat for the state listed threatened white crowned pigeon um so again as I mentioned before it's there are natural resources on this island and that was um part of what the regulations back in 199
three Were Meant to limit development on um so the city requested a dedication of the six Upland acres in exchange for tdrs so I I guess um even though the shance island is 7.9 Acres only six of them can really be considered like dry
Uplands um and at this time when they denied the dock permit the city requested a dedication in exchange for for tdrs the Shan's children refused and filed a beneficial use determination application which which is a process that most uh cities and and I believe
also the county in in the Keys has wherein uh if a property owner denied a permit they can ask well what am I allowed to do with my property and it essentially gives uh the the council an opportunity to in essence avoid a taking
claims because most people who ask for a beneficial use determination are asking for it because they know that this is the last step step to potentially making a takings claim um and so in in this beneficial use determination process um
a special master was appointed and recommended that the Shan's children be given one residential unit to develop on their property or that they be paid uh compensation as if the property has been
taken uh the marathon city council voted against doing either and the and the Shan's children uh filed suit in 2008 um and the suit was filed in 2006 um to be specific in 2008 the
trial court uh dismissed the case finding that the sh TR children brought a facial total taking claim beyond the 4-year statute of limitation so there are generally two types of claims there's a facial take a facial claim and
an as applied claim facial means that a law on its base when enacted result in a taking those claims are rare because usually you have to apply a law to be able to figure out what the impacts might be and then there's an as applied
taking which means that once someone files an application and a law is applied to them and that application is denied then their claim becomes ripe or ready for review by a trial court so those are two types and then there's
also there's a total taking which refers to how much of how much of your property's value or use has been taken um and a total taking is those rare circumstances where a law essentially
prohibits all uses of the property um maybe some minor recreational uses but essentially it takes um before before this Shan's case that we're talking about today it used to mean that it takes all use and value from your
property um and then so in this 2008 trial court decision the trial court said no this is a facial total taking that happened back in 1986 when Monroe County Down zoned your property and so you're well beyond the 4-year statute of
limitations for bringing this claim because the trial court found that that Monroe County Down zoning was when they lost the right to develop their property for residential use um on appeal it went up to the third DC which is the appell court that made the present day decision
that we're talking about today um the third DCA found that dismissal was improper because they found that the shance children were actually bringing an as applied taking and um only a partial regulatory taking so remember
there's a total taking where all use and economic value was eliminated um and then a partial taking is where a regulation is enacted it's a applied to your property it has enough of an impact on the value of the property that it's
almost as if the government has actually taking your property so in a partial taking you could have some remaining value in your property and still it could result in a taking um and so the third DCA said no
this claim is a partial regulatory taking um and it's an as applied taking that that ripened when the beneficial use determination was made back in 2004 and so the claim is timely um and the takings claim was considered partial
specifically and this is important because of the availability of rogo allocation points and tdrs for at least six acres of the Upland um and this suggests or and this is a direct quote from the decision in 2008 it suggested
that some perhaps not in significant economic value remains so in other words words the court was saying that even if the property owner could not use the property for anything really except recreational uses the fact that the rogo
allocation points and tdrs had some market value could be sold bought and sold for Value um was significant in determining whether a taking had occurred and so because of the existence of those valuable property rights the
third DCA said that this was a partial regulatory taking at best and they sent it back down to the trial court um in 2019 and I can't possibly tell you what happened between 2008 and 2019 it took a really long time to get to this point the trial court granted
summary judgment in favor of the city finding that the availability of rogo points and tdrs are valuable and um that means that there's no as applied regulatory taking so essentially the city won the case because of the
availability of rogo points and tdrs the city had not taken the property because there was still a lot of value in the property and value meaning again market value something that can be bought and sold in the real estate market for money
um the third DCA reversed the Judgment because the trial court did not receive evidence on the value of the rogo points or the tdrs for the Shan's property so this is a little technicality in the case at the time that this decision was made in the trial court there was a very
similar case um called the buyer's case which was decided on this very issue and the very thing that I said if the if the rogo and the TDR still have value and they're connected to the property then that prevents can prevent a taking and
the trial court rather than hear evidence on what the value of the rogo points and the tdrs on this particular property was the trial court said well because of buyers we don't even have to hear that evidence I can just grant you a judgment City in your favor because
there was no taking here and the third DCA said no every property has to be taken on as um as a unique property and so you can't apply that buyer's case to this case you have to hear evidence on
how much those valuable rights are worth um in order to make the determination that the trial court made so the third DCA yet again throws it right back down to the um trial court then um from 2019 to the president
in the trial court there was a two-day non-jury trial uh on whether a taking has occurred which is how it happens in inverse condemnation cases the judge decides whether or taking has occurred the trial court entered a judgment once again in favor of the city the city one
finding no total taking so there was no total taking no partial taking uh due to uh due to the value of the tdrs uh that were available on the property so the the trial court this time heard all this evidence on what the tdrs were worth and
found that there was no taking in this case despite the regulatory framework that was in place restricting residential development on the property the Shan's children then appealed that decision and that's where we come to the present day decision uh in
2025 um so so first the Shan's children won the appeal in front of a three judge panel as I explained usually you get three judges the city moved for rehearing on bunk which means the entire 10 judge panel will hear your case because it's that important uh on
rehearing they accepted re-hearing and the onun panel found that a total as applied regulatory taking had occurred and remanded for trial and damages so after all this time there had been years and years of the trial courts saying
that there was no taking of the third DCA essentially saying that because of the rogo and the TDR that were available that there there was potentially no taking there were pellet decisions on this point all of a sudden the third DCA
does a one80 so this was shocking at best so what specifically changed what are the impacts of that change so pre and I'm calling it shans 3 Because as I mentioned it's gone up on appeal three times so pre- shans 3 total as applied taking
is not a recognized cause of action um so it it hadn't been explicitly rejected but every case that came before that at least in the third DCA has never spoken of a total as applied taking generally
speaking total takings are facial upon enactment of the law all value is wiped from the property and that's where you know that you have a total as applied taking um and in in chance 3 the tri the
appell court ends up essentially reversing its own precedence and saying nope now we recognize total as applied takings which was not anything and just so that you all understand in Florida the Florida
law and federal law on takings essentially follow each other so Florida law was in distinguishable from federal law for a very long time now um federal law as far as the US Supreme Court which is the final court of appeal in the
federal jurisdiction they have not decided ever that there is a such a thing as a total as applied taking so this is also a place where now Florida is Divergent from federal law and in in
my view because I there is no US Supreme Court case recognizing this and this is something that has been discussed in lower court cases but there's nothing that was that we would consider binding precedent that has recognized this type
of taking so Florida um has has essentially been the first to recognize that um and this is particularly significant because when you have a total taking it's the impact is so great that you don't look at any other factors
to determine if a taking has occurred it's essentially like you wiped this property of value it's as if the government came in and bought your property when you have a partial regulatory taking it's called partial because there's there's still remaining value as I mentioned before and in order
to determine if a partial regulatory taking has occurred the court does a three-part balancing test which in part takes into consideration what the reasonable investment fact expectations of the property owner and so that would
essentially prevent a property owner like Dr shans Who bought the property with all these hopes and dreams but really never put any money into realizing those hopes and dreams and certainly not in a timely fashion um if
essentially under a partial takings test that would be a big factor in saying that no taking has occurred but in a total takings test you don't even consider investment backed expectations so this is a really big deal especially
because you know when you have these Property Owners sitting on their rights for so long and the regulatory framework is changing the idea that you can revive a claim that has essentially been dead since
1986 um is is pretty astounding um and I and I don't and and I don't I don't think that the appell court fully understands the implications of this because we also have to understand that with judges they're not practicing this dayto day they're not seeing this dayto
day um it will be interesting to see what ultimately happens with this case because um even though the third DCA made this decision um we still have the Florida Supreme Court um and I don't know what the city is going to do with this but there still are Avenues of
review the Florida Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court so I'd be interested to see how this all pans out so the second um big change is that again tdrs and rogo points if proved valuable used to be used to be able to prevent a total
taking in the and now post Chans 3 the uh Court said unequivocally that tdrs and rogo points cannot be considered uh in in avoiding a taking so on the liability portion they can only be considered when you're asking how much
does the property owner have to be paid for their property and um there was a concurring opinion in the case that went as far as saying even though we're saying that tdrs can be considered to see how much the property owner should be paid uh that will be at the property
owner's option so that's why I put and maybe not we might not be able to even consider this when it comes to the damage phase of of a trial um so then the Third third big Point um pre Shan's remaining market value so something you
can buy and sell in the real estate market for Value was considered in determining whether a total taking had occurred and that makes sense because you again a total taking is supposed to be an extreme situation that is the equivalent of the government going in
and kicking you off your property so if there is still market value you can buy and sell that property or you can buy and sell your property rights for Value usually that would avoid a total taking now the third
DCA has said that the only thing you consider in a total taking is whether there's any remaining economic use and that is the only thing that determines whether a total taking has occurred so
it essentially before this case and this I can say with certainty because I don't I don't know that any other um binding uh precedent exists but for this case economic use and market value used to be
somewhat interchangeable um and now you can have a property that is still significantly valuable and still claim a taking against the government which you know um I can't tell you like this is to me it
was shocking um so and and this is and actually in the Shan's case this is somewhat important uh the the trial court took evidence on the remaining value in the property and there was evidence that there was still
significant market value to the property for recreational uses and there was significant value in the tdrs that were available to the property and so even having that evident
or that evidence in the record the appell court still found that a total taking has occurred in the Shan's case um I I've been shocked since this case was decided so if I seem shocked I mean
I don't think it's ever going to go away um so what does this mean for the Florida Keys uh the good news is that at least it was somewhat of a narrow decision in that it only changes the law on total takings and at least the US
Supreme Court precedence that we have on this topic says that these cases should be few and far between um the problem for the keys as I see it is that it's a very specific area that has a lot of
environmentally sensitive properties that might um that it might have a disproportionate number of properties that fall under this ta total takings law C category now I don't want to speak out of term because I've I've not done a survey of the properties but but this is
just the sense that I get from you know having been exposed to a lot of the cases in the keys so the second um big change is again tdrs and rogo points don't avoid a total takings claim and the third DC actually left it up in the
air as to how they would be considered impartial takings claims because there is US Supreme Court precedent that they can be considered impartial takings claims so I would they'd be hard pressed to be or steer away from that like they
have from the rest of takings law um and then now the state of the law is a little bit unclear because as I mentioned before we don't know how damages will be treated um and we don't even know really what the date of taking
will be because if we're If we're honest about the fact the the property was deprived of any opportunity to develop in 1986 and so the question is is that what we're basing the damages on are we
basing the damages on the present day scenario where they were denied a beneficial use determination of one property cuz that's a significant difference you're talking about the difference between seven Residential Properties being available to for
development and one um and so there's a lot of open questions which I'm sure will take a lot of litigation to resolve um and the other thing so the final change is I do believe that this has the
potential to revive a lot of what I would consider dead claims again claims that have been the the probability of this property being developed has been forone for a very long time and all of a sudden in 2004 you see a claim a takings
claim resurface even though the property hasn't had development rights for a long time now I'll put a little asterisk on this one which is um in in the Shan's case the city of Marathon was operating under a a certain understanding right
they they had Florida thirdd DCA president essentially saying that this wasn't going to result in a taking so it might be that they didn't make certain arguments about this about this particular claim being passed the the
statute of limitations period because they thought they were dealing with a partial regulatory taking under pen Central and so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out in the trial court if they'll even get a second shot at that because they were Unfortunately
they got the rug pulled out from under them they were operating under a certain understanding of the law of the facts and even third DCA precedent and all of a sudden it's been turned on its head so um you know I say may revive dead claims
because thankfully there I think are still arguments out there to be made and maybe understanding the framework that we're operating under there there could be some chance at these uh dead claims not surviving
um okay so I'm not going to go through these I I put some emergency slides in case no one understood the lingo and had a lot of questions but we don't have to go into them so I don't I don't know if anyone has questions but if not I'll be
I'll conclude anybody have a question Deb Don Hanna Steve thank you for a good presentation again I heard your first one on on takings and it was um the best I'd heard
and this explains a lot of this again it's just so complicated it's we'll ask you again I'm sure yeah you obviously live and breath it thank you for that presentation it's a lot different than your first presentation that's for sure John anything no nothing just want
to thank Alicia if she's still out there can hear us so thank thank you for attending Alicia I appreciate it okay all right Jennifer I believe you're up so um yeah I'm happy to go now but I'm also willing to um wait until we go to
the after Action Report um if you want to get through the consent agenda and the other agenda items next to move it along I'm happy to do that as well that's good okay let's do that okay John consent agenda yep on uh today on the consent
agenda there are there are three three items on the consent agenda they are tabs 9 11 12 and 13 uh these items are of a routine nature and council members have reviewed these items in advance and sought the
advice of Staff as they felt necessary there'll be one vote on the consent and items uh today again there're tabs 9 11 12 and 13 and if you remember 10 was was pulled for uh discussion um if anyone would like to pull an uh additional item
from consent he or she should state so now move to approv consent agenda I a second I'll second it uh we just have uh need to have public comment comment first mney anybody signed up
see no ma'am okay we have a first and a second Marne would you call the rooll please sorry could you please repeat who um made the first motion I made the motion Anna second it Anna second okay thank you so much okay vice mayor Don Horton
yes council member Anna Richards yes council member Steve fredman yes council member Deb Gillis yes and mayor Sharon Mahoney yes the motion passes is 5 to zero okay um do we want to talk about Tab 10 uh yep that's what I was going to
get to Next in in resolution so that's uh Tab 10 is a resolution The Village Council of Isam Mar Village of Island Florida approving an agreement with tropical home construction Contracting LLC to uh replace the plantation yacht club marina Tiki Hut decking authorizing Village officials to implement the terms
and conditions of the uh Amendment authorizing The Village manager to execute the agreement authorizing Village manager to expend budgeted funds authorizing a waiver of competitive bidding and providing for an effective date okay Don do you want to start didn't you fold it yeah well during my
uh meeting with staff as we went over this this uh request I realized and I think after discussion staff realized that that this request is really right now needs to be cooked a little more uh there wasn't any real specifications on what was going to
be in the in the uh in a concrete and the thickness and the type of concrete and the reinforcement of the concrete and this Contracting Company um you know gave an estimate but the estimate was just based off of no sets of plans or or
anything and so uh you know I just felt like that this was ripe for a change order and we were going to be proven something that really wasn't going to be I mean they they they could have given us a price for having 6x6 1010 Road mesh
and the we get an engineering set of plans that calls for number five 12 in on Center different concrete and all of that so I just don't think this one's ready yet uh I don't know necessarily if the if we need a motion to just get
rid of it or bring it back or just deny this request and bring a different request I'll leave that up to you John yeah I mean you could do it either way I mean if you move to continue it it would be the same you would just be reconsidering the same the same request if you're looking for a different one it
would be a motion to deny then I would just make a motion to deny this request do I have a second can I say something I didn't know if you guys wanted to um let Lisa um from the marina speak and maybe answer any questions you might
have about it um maybe she could shed a little more light on on it versus what I could so is she here she is she's right there yeah she's here Lisa you want to talk about this do you know what kind of concrete's going to be in that slab I don't it do
you know what kind of Steel's going to be in the slab no no okay well then I think we need to just deny this request we just it's a wooden floor and all they were doing was taking up the wooden floor and putting down a concrete slide so with no reinforcement or anything well yeah I mean he's a contractor so I
would say I would say at this point uh that uh maybe if that wood deck is unsafe that perhaps Sheila can have talked to AJ about just removing that unsaved or wood and throwing some PR
rock down until we get the right drawings to where we don't approve a cost of something and it end up being a change order in and and we having to come back because there is no specifications I don't know if they're pouring 2,000 lb concrete or 4,000 I don't know if they're putting
waterproofing agent I don't know if it's in a vzone and it needs a vzone certification and I don't know what kind of reinforcement they're putting in there so I don't want to improve those things and that's something that the building offici is going to have to approve in order to get a permit so if
the wood deck is unsafe I would just recommend that Sheila REM have her staff remove the the uh wood deck and we get a set of drawings that can be approved and we know exactly what this is going to cost
okay okay thank you thanks for trying so Sheila you understand is that Mak sense you remove the wood and put down P Rock yeah that's what we'll do we can do that for right now we we know about this there's a uh
um there is a motion um on the table um that that needs a second if we're going to move forward with do I have a second sure I'll second it okay Marne would you please call the RO specific public comment first if there is any is there
any no but I have a a well I don't know whether there is or not but I do have a question um is the I don't know how long of a process that is is the deck do we have to put pck down at this time or is it I I think I think it needs
to be looked at by you guys before we say rip it out and fill it a p Rock because that's an expense too well she look correct yeah we can AJ and I can take a look at it we'll make that determination and then once the deck that could just be some regrading and
not a whole extensive repeat rocking or something yeah but yeah we'll we'll take a look at that um yeah and also also I'll reach out I'll also reach out to the contractor um and possibly get working on some engineer drawing so we can get it moving quicker okay it's just
the way it was stated it sounded like it was we we were just going to rip it out without really looking at what we can do as a temporary face no no defin definitely we'll make it safe yeah okay thank you uh that puts us on Tab we
didn't oh I forget public comment and just to was there public comment there is no one signed up for this item now uh we have a motion in a second Marney call the rooll council or excuse me vice mayor Don Horton yes council member Anna Richards yes council
member Steve fredman yes council member Deb Gillis yes and mayor Sharon Mahoney yes the motion passes 5 to zero okay so now that should move us to tab 14 yes that's correct um tab 14 is a resolution of the Village Council of Al Mara
Village violence Florida approving work authorization number 21 with wsp USA Inc for Professional Services for the feasibility study for a vessel exclusion Zone at Sunset Drive Beach authorizing Village officials to implement the terms and conditions of work authorization number 21 authorize a village manager to
expend budgeted funds authorize a village manager to execute the project agreement for work authorization number 21 and providing for an effective date Time Peter all night for this yeah patiently okay well good evening Council so as you know
the village has been looking into the establishment of a proposed new vessel exclusion and swim Zone uh off of Sunset Drive Beach on Lower mumbi we've been discussing this for almost a year now this has come before you at three different meetings it was in July of
20124 I gave a somewhat detailed presentation and outlined the steps that the village would need to take if we were going to implement a new buoy system to establish a new zone so the direction has been for the staff to look into a feasibility study and the design
and the permitting of the buoy system which would uh be needed to implement the new Zone um so I did propose a proposal from The Firm wsp they're a vendor that the village has used for many years for a marine and Marine
Regulatory and um uh zoning issues like this they've done a great job for us over the years uh the staff did request that I bring back a revised proposal which eliminated the permitting components of that feasibility study because that by far is the most
expensive part of this so I went back to wsp requested just more of a feasibility preliminary design feasibility approach so the resolution that you have before you this evening that would approve a work authorization with wsp for the
feasibility study which would include a preliminary site assessment a benthic survey uh with that they could develop a a design this would be a preliminary design plan which would outline the buoy system and with that that would give us the information to bring to the
permitting agencies uh within this resolution or work authoriz work authorization is also the pre-application meetings that would take place with the permitting agencies and that would lead us to whether or not this project would be feasible or not so
the cost for this is $ 5,848 uh it should be noted that this wasn't budgeted for this fiscal year uh however services like this have been and can be accounted for used out of the general fund and the village manager account uh from the Professional Services account
um so with that I'd be happy to answer any questions about this what was the amount again Pete [Music] $584 anybody have a question for Peter I I go ahead um I think we you presented us with this recently right in
this this recent Council and and and I seem to recall that there were there were some high hurdles that may overcome so if we assume that we do this feasibility study and it's feasible the likelihood of going on from
there is that is very difficult or am I not recalling that correctly it's going to be difficult this is this will be a challenging permit Endeavor no matter what just because of the sensitive resources are out there um Coral
seagrass sponge it's a hard bottom Community a living nice hard bottom community and we will have to drill we can't handscrew uh anchors in like we've done on the bide you know we will have to drill holes so that's going to be challenging Perman and we're going to have to prove that this is being done
for safety too we can't do this for any other reason other than public safety so we're going to be able to need to prove that so this it's going to be difficult yeah this doesn't guarantee us being able to establish his own all this resolution is passing night is just getting the foot in our door and
starting the process of starting the process which will be long okay okay go ahead Don Steve I recall you talking about this when Peter gave the presentation and you had a concern as as well as I did about uh making this a
vessel exclusion Zone where somebody that was in there tarping fishing or bone fishing couldn't even go in there um we talked about in in my pre meeting I talked to Peter about that and uh uh he said that's a complete Game Cher If
we make this a vessel exclusion Zone uh then nobody can go in there um if we tried to make it a no moing Zone uh then that would even make it that much more difficult to get any approval because DP is not happy about not you know
forbidding somebody from going in and morning but that's the that's the what the neighborhood is asking is they don't want anybody mouring in there um so and like Peter said we're we're about to spend we're about to approve to spend
almost $6,000 just to have somebody go out and do a glorified benic study uh not even about the metric but just a vric Mythic study um and we all probably most of us that's worked in that area at all
already know that it's full of hard and soft body corals and it's a hard B hard bottom I I just to so I I think that the neighborhood needs to understand that we're if we approve this we're approving almost
$6,000 just for somebody to go out there and swim it and then Market where these buoys are going and and then like Peter said the buoys are not just something that can be driven in the dirt they're going to have
to drill holes in there and when the D um looks at something like that if it's a 12-in hole then they want three times that diameter to to have no menos
present in that larger area um in order to do that permitted this stuff for years and and and this this is the reason why one of the reasons why lower mumi is prohibited from having new docks because the oceans side of lower mumi is
both at Turtle Beach and a hard you know a a certified hard bottom in in the almost the entirety of lower manac coming so in a way I feel like we're just about to was s $6,000 because if you even if we came back and they said
yeah you could then we have to make a decision are we going to go on and make it a vessel exclusion Zone and I think what I heard from you from me and I think maybe devb I'm not sure is it do we really want to uh start excluding
vessels from that from that area they they can't go through there they can't Bone Fish they can't tarpon fish they can't anything I used to pump a no fish there in the 70s it they was a run that was crazy so do we want to chase that
exclusion or have the maybe start chasing that exclusion all the way up the keys all the way up Isam marada and down when any neighborhood complains about having boats parked there Peter how often does
somebody how often is this actually a problem for that neighborhood yes so as far as I know and you know I don't live there but from my knowledge and what I've heard and from what I've seen this is mainly an issue in the warmer summer months and on the
weekends I don't think the issue is with you know the locals coming there after work or something this is during those really nice holiday weekend days when there's nice weather this is the ocean side it's not like the Bay Side this is much more volatile so if there's wind
the people aren't there like they are on the Bayside so I think it's a problem only you know a handful of times during the year all right thank you and please correct me if if someone wants to go ahead say otherwise
well um I thought I thought and I obviously I misunderstood I thought that that's part of the study would tell us whether or not we'd be able to have a good chance of getting it approved that's what I understood that's what I understood is that's what the
study would would because of the preapp conferences and stuff it would tell us whether or not we'd have a good chance of getting it approved approved for what the the permitting the permitting permits approved just a vessel exclusion
or a no moing well I didn't know we were deciding that tonight so I didn't study up on that I'll be honest I would no that's good it's just it's a it's a big difference it is it is I and
um if that's what this is based on you say it's $6,000 yes but at the same time I could say it's only $6,000 it's not the 55 what was it something like that 52,000 saw the per that's true yeah you
know um I had I had two or three residents call me concerning this I did too me too you know uh so it it is an issue and you're right about it there was um talk
about you know okay we do this one then we got to do the next section and we got the new but that is what's happening in Keys it is what's happening um and we need to figure it out help our residents figure it out so I don't know
I your water quality committee recommend not to do this correct okay that's what I remember but you were correct in that that's what this study would do it would give a good idea whether or not we could do either either exclusion right right
okay Anna wanted to say something well I was going to talk about Nearshore water but then also you have somebody from that neighborhood in here you might want to hear from him who's who's here no I think Roland left no Jack Butler's here too oh Jack you're here another one hiding there might be somebody on Zoom
tonight too Jack you live on Sunset uh Jack Butler lower mumi iroy actually this is my first time in a meeting and thank you thank you for all your do cuz this is pretty brutal um I I I spoke uh the Home Owners
Association basically is staying out of this situation and they're letting the individuals kind of speak up for what they want you have two streets there you have Sunset which is right on the on the water there and then you have iroy I'm
on iroy basically the iroy street they're a no a flat no for this because we're the ones that go out and boat and fish and stuff like that and we might come back in there at the end of the day while the Sun's setting and enjoy that area the
um the sunset people are a yes okay but it's somewhat of a Washi yes too when I talk to them there's more volume on Sunset so if you look at the numbers it's basically almost 100% on Sunset yes and 100% on iroy no so but volume wise
you're going to have more votes yes just because there's way more houses and stuff on Sunset um as as far as the um environment and the use of that it's it's way less useful year round than the bay is because the Bay has a lot more
control as as far as the weather and the waves and and protection so it's not used as much now I will say that as always when you when we put the booty system on the Bayside you had some people that came over onto the sunset side okay and they
bring their loud music and their and their stuff with them it's a little bit uh removed out and the flats are exposed quite more than on the Bayside so people generally don't come up as close on the ocean side however you you
still have the the bad apples that um probably let their dogs run up there and and don't clean up after them or or kind of get close to the beach but generally people stay away from that okay so I understand where they're coming from as far as the Bad actors um but I would say
as far as a um volume during the year obviously viously the um the holiday weekends or long weekends the people would be out there uh you know generally those home owners aren't there anyway because we all leave we all stay off the water on the on the holiday weekends
either anyway so the the and and by the wishy-washiness I I when you talk to people yes but I'm not too thrilled about looking at buoys the rest of my life on the ocean what's you know is it going to you know see we going to get caught in there
how is that going to look Etc but also the use of the area so if you have uh you were talking between a vessel exclusion and moing or a swim area if I'm not mistaken if you have the swim area that means there's no vessels at all so you can't have a canoe a paddle
board uh you know a kayak or even kite surfing which is a big uh right there by ANS Beach and then coming around that corner so you and then you've also cut out all the fishing so I think I think overall if you kind of weigh it that way or look at it that way I think there's
more down side than there is upside uh and I just wanted to say that um I'm against it because I do enjoy it and i' like to continue to enjoy it that's kind of what I thought thank you okay thank you Mark thank you that was fun anybody else I really sympathize with the
residents down there I think we all do and I just wonder if there's not another solution that we might be able to come up with whether that's when when there's more people out there we we send out some more law enforcement Maybe you they're they're damaging the bottom with their anchors and they can be ticketed
once you ticket one boat maybe that spreads around and that keeps people off I like there's got to be something else that we can do where we're not picket fencing the water and having to destroy the bottom to keep the bad apples away I
like that go ahead um you took one public comment I there's strong possibility there's somebody else on Zoom okay well that not when he stop this conversation but okay I at some point we will open comment once you guys have said everything you want to say
everybody else no all right so before we vote you guys want to have public comment sure okay go ahead Marne okay we've got a couple folks on Zoom but first up we have van Cadenhead evening Council uh I was here
when we discussed this last um the points that have been made by uh Mr Horton and also Mr fredman about denying fishing in that area uh strikes home with me and and I would remind you as I
have consistently reminded you that Isam marada is completely part of the national Marine Sanctuary which extends to the high tide Mark so in other words we have the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary
uh in the uh area that we're discussing here tonight so I think we should uh you know ask uh for guidance from them but I should uh also uh remind you that we're we're uh right on the verge of having a
charet with uh Abel cities east that uh part of their of their uh expertise is in uh Shoreline uh preservation so I I think that we should hold off on on you know kick this down the road and
let some of their experts look at it and uh see if we can get somebody else to do this $5,800 worth of work and and uh it's in you know it's in the words words are very important and if you were to have a no motor Zone and a no anchor
Zone delineated by buoys you know not a lot of buoys but but just a recognized area and then you would still be able to pull in there you would still be able to have kayaks and and U the residents
would still have access to the beach they just wouldn't be able to drive up on the beach and in that area with outboard motors so you know I think there's a medium way to do this that make everybody happy and what would make me happy is to not restrict that area to
the public but only restrict Motors and and uh if you if you were to put out the uh the uh safety uh part of it as a reason to put out the buoys then I think uh you know it could be done under those
guises as a no motor Zone and a no anchor zone so thank you very much thank you van anybody else Marty yes on Zoom okay um Alonso Fernandez froga are um unmuted go ahead you've got three
minutes thank you very much uh my name is Alfonso fernandz Fraga my family's uh been in 90 iry Drive since 1975 we've been operating in the manner in which Mr Butler described since that
time and in that time I've never seen a problem except for one time and that one time was a holiday weekend last summer when things really got a little bit out of hand and and a big part of the of the perss if you will were not people coming
from outside the area they were not people coming from iroy drive but there was a lot of people on the canal side of Sunset Drive that simply trespassed under the houses and across the the
empty lots that remain on uh on the ocean side of Sunset Drive and they took their coolers and what have you onto the beach that they didn't own and didn't rent and and that was a big part of the problem putting buoys up and keeping
boats out is never going to solve that problem that's a completely different problem and that is what I saw last July 4th I was there to look at it I've never seen any other similar problem at any other time and I would like one one
additional opportunity I I intended to be there uh Peter frza can testify to that I drove down and got to the point where there's a fork in the road between Card Sound and the 18 Mile Stretch and
the authorities had it shut down completely because of a grass fire I I had visuals that I prepared that I wanted to share with you going back to Aerials that were taken in 1959 and you could see the development of the beach and you could see many things that I wanted to share to add some more
information to your decision-making process and unfortunately I was not able to get down there so I turned around scrambled back here to the office and I've been listening to the deliberations ever since to be able to get my two cents in but if nothing else what I would ask you is to postpone this so to
give us and there may be one or more of us that tried to get down there and couldn't because the roads were literally closed both of them and I just couldn't get down there with my visuals I would like to have the opportunity to do that at the next meeting that you decide to discuss this if you decide to discuss this
again thank you thank you very much Mar yes name hello this is Robert Moser lower m b beach Property Owners um I'm calling in as a homeowner since um 74
um renting in early' 70s before that and um coming down for day trips under the Stucky sign in the late think we lost him am I back yes you are thank you okay
not not sure where I where I left off but the bottom line is um I've spoken received phone calls and emails and solicited and have
18 families on Sunset Drive who are for a vessel exclusion Zone um and for on Sunset Drive that are against it and on iry drive there
are including Mr Fraga um and Jack Butler there are eight families that I have confirmed that are against a vessel exclusion Zone do you have any other questions that I can contribute to because it
doesn't sound like the the council wants to wants to go this this direction um I mean my personal opinion is there is absolutely no fishing um on a sandbar that's 3 in you know to go fishing Don
in all due respect you have to be out past the jetty or you have to be further north you know towards the other houses towards seot Beach it's just not happening in front of the homes that are on Sunset Drive and as far as kite
surfing goes I mean they shouldn't be running into a jetty anyway and um you know so there's many reasons besides noise you guys have heard them all you've been around when P Antigua got there um
swim Zone vessel exclusion Zone whatever we have to do creatively you know we're willing to work with you um but it's a problem that is not going to go away and is only going to get worse and you have a lot of disgruntled homeowners that pay a lot in taxes and so we implore you to
help us find a solution and thank you thank you Robert mney anybody else no ma'am that's it okay um do we have any public comment from anybody
before we discuss more no okay Council what do you think do you want to postpone this until you know not that I want to say van had a good thought because sounds weird coming out of my mouth but um um maybe
we should see if there's able City can come up with something maybe we should put this on hold and go ahead I like it uh you know let's let's address this in our comp plan and our ldrs and not try to pick this one
piece at a time let's it's going to let's do alamada as a whole it's going to affect more areas it's and and and have somebody that's smarter than me to go out there and tell us what we ought to do you like it yeah I do you got it okay how does everybody else feel Steve
I I see de just table this okay so John would we make a motion to table this yeah it would be a motion to continue this item until after um it has been considered uh through the comp plan review process I think that's the right thing to do do I have a motion
I'll make that motion do I have a second I'll second it okay Marne would you please call the rooll okay uh vice mayor Don Horton yeah uh council member Deb Gillis yes council member Steve Freedman yes
council member Anna Richards yes and mayor Sharon Mahoney yes okay the motion passes 5 to zero good can can I say Peter thank you for putting the work in on this though I'm I'm you know it just something we just got to really I think we got to look at I mean smart move
instead of just wasting this money to go drill and and then wait and see what decision we're going to make we just saved our taxpayers about $6,000 so thank you thank you Peter hey lucky tab 15 yep tab 15 is a resolution of the
Village Council of Al Village violence Florida improving the settlement agreement related to the lawsuit titled Daniel J gizio viam marata Village of violence at all authorizing Village officials to execute deliver and implement the terms and conditions of the settlement agreement providing for authorization and providing for an effective date um we have our as you all
may recall the village is being defended by Insurance defense Council Brian coji uh he is uh on Zoom today um and he can present this and answer any questions but just generally speaking this was the uh uh lawsuit that was was brought
against the village by Mr galizio um uh believe that uh we've had three executive sessions on this um and uh we are bringing this uh settlement agreement back to the council for their approval um which I believe is consistent with uh with the discussions
has been executed by Mr galizio um and uh he has agreed to to the terms set forth hearing so I will turn it over to [Music] Brian good evening everybody can you hear me yes yes
sir thank you um as a village attorney indicated as we met in executive session we did get the signature from Mr galizio on the settlement agreement as you may recall the lawsuit was filed by Mr geso back in November 20
2023 uh he's got three claims a whistle claim against the village a breach of contract claim for severance pay against the village and also a separate claim against former Village manager Mr Yates he has never served Mr Yates but uh he
has served of course the village and we've been proceeding with the litigation of this up until last fall where the parties reached an agreement a settlement agreement in principle uh but the agreement was never consummated at that time time uh there
were some discussions over the language in the agreement and ultimately Mr gazio did not sign the agreement until we until after the election we met again in the executive session and um we essentially gave Mr gazio a deadline to
file earlier in March to get it on this uh public meeting agenda or we would move forward the litigation and he did sign the agreement so you have a copy of that agreement happy to go through that if you'd like uh but we are recommending that the
Village Council approve the settlement agreement happy to answer any questions anybody have any questions Steve no I I move to accept to move on anybody else and I'll second okay we need to open public comment yes
okay any public comment from anyone yes we have van kenad and Joe wishm yes Joe wishm Plantation key this just kind of underscores uh why we need procedures and I understand that Council
should not be overseeing all staff members that should be the job of the manager however when you work your way up and become a department head I believe that you are entitled to a little bit more protection than just arbitrarily somebody deciding that
you're not worthy and anymore for whatever reason whether it's personal or or whether it's professional so I believe that at least for department heads the council should be informed and involved in these decisions so we don't have instances like this come up in the
future thank you thank you van van Caden head um you all are in possession of subpoenas about uh the way that Rob Cole was treated which uh made Mr Freeman's uh
argument to have a pro set procedure in place uh very valid and I think that uh it what happened with we've had two exceptional uh employees that were doing
nothing wrong namely Dan galizio and Rob Cole uh been stripped of their job jobs and what's worse their professional Integrity has been impune and they have been defamed uh in spite of the records that
they have of of their past histories uh by and they have been hurt by this Council and by the actions of this Council and so um I I urge you to uh uh if you're going to if you're going
to if he's already signed off on this uh still has a 21 days or 7 days or a certain period that he can go back on it cuz I think he's getting short sheet myself personally so uh I I I don't
understand uh how $8,000 is going to cure this for Mr galizio Mr galizio has been damaged and to me he's entitled to punitive damages which would which would uh make uh this Council think twice
before doing what they did to Rob Cole and Dan galizio so uh those are my thoughts on this and and you're probably going to pass this but I would remind you that he does have time to uh uh back up on this uh within uh seven or 21 days
I don't know what you lawyer can tell me but uh it's not it's not set in stone yet but I think he's getting the short sheet myself personally thank you okay thank you van anybody else no ma'am okay so any comments from the
council do you want to make a motion or we we we did have a motion councilman Freeman was a motion to approve and was seconded by councilwoman Gillis right Marne do you want to call the role please who made the motion I don't remember council member Freedman motion
you second yes okay council member Steve fredman yes okay council member Deb Gillis yes council member Anna Richards yes Council excuse me vice mayor John Horton no nope and mayor Sharon Mahoney yes the motion passes 4 to
one okay um do we go to the after Action Report now yep and then if you recall um Jennifer's discussion item from tab I think it was Tab 8 was going to be um discussed at the same time as well hard
to say something okay Jennifer thank thank you Madame mayor and councel um so as you may recall um over the last couple years Council has directed The planning department to do several items um regarding planning work research
different kinds of plans things like that so now that the council has turned and I wanted to get a feel for this council's priorities and to see if these items that I've listed here in your packet are still a priority for this
Council if priorities have shifted um if some of these items maybe can be folded into the upcoming uh or the ongoing comprehensive Plan update things like that so I'm happy to go through them one by one where they at what what my my thoughts are on them or
if you already have thoughts I'm happy to hear those as well anybody have anything anybody got anything for Jennifer You' got the parking for Angler's way on there right I have the parking for Anglers Way
yes anybody else so Jennifer we talked about before um there are several things that we probably should makes wise to hold for our our comp plan yes sir is there anything on here that you think is
necessarily needs to be taken care of immediately well I would AR excuse me sorry I I popcorn go ahead popcorn I get the same thing I think and you got another fancy cup whatever you call them
um I would say that the TDR ordinance is far enough along that um you know we're almost ready to go back to LPA with it after the last um uh time that we had almost brought it to LPA after some conversations with certain people we
decided to have able City East take a look at that draft and provide some feedback so it's in their hands at the moment I'm expecting feedback from them probably next week when they're here in town so um after I get the feedback from them I will um you know we work whatever
their considerations are and then bring it to LPA as soon as I can after that so I think that one's far along enough to keep moving forward on that and I think those issues are kind of critical in light of especially what we just heard from Miss Gonzalez about some of the shans issues so I think that it's
important that we keep moving forward with the TBR ordinance on the list the next um three items uh the resoning of properties at Village incorporation the possible update to environmental standards in the village code and access dwelling units I would argue can be wait could wait or be
in conjunction with the update to the comprehensive plan I don't think we need to do those as separate items um those are all sort of relatively um you know can be involved with a comprehensive plan I agree agree um in regards to the affordable housing
plan that um was Direction was given in May of 2024 um been working and while Don was on the workforce affordable housing committee he actually provided a really great outline for for a affordable housing plan for our Workforce affordable housing units that the affordable housing committee has you
know asked me to continue to move forward so we are working that plan forward so we are working that plan so I think that one we can keep moving forward as well the affordable housing committee is very interested in moving that forward and having a plan for those 300 or 292 Now units um and get some
more Workforce affordable housing within the village which is desperately needed so I think we can keep moving that forward and especially now that you've just appointed Don as liazon to that committee I think that would be great Synergy to keep that moving forward so while you while you're on that topic
John um since I was on the workforce affordable housing committee and the actual plan that they're working on was something that actually Carla and I had written in an airport while we were delayed on a flight and came up with a
complete a complete plan I thought would I am still going to be able to vote on that now that you're on c councel yeah you're just wearing a different hat um I mean you it was something that you proposed um and everything coming from the committee is just a recommendation anyway so ultimately uh the council I
mean unless there's some sort of financial you know special benefit that you would get that would be a conf didn't get paid for sitting in the airport so yeah you you you should be fine unless uh unless there's you know something pops up but just the fact that you prepared and worked on it while you
were there same thing with Council um woman Gillis on the LPA I mean you know you have a different hat on now so um yes you can vote on love to see that move forward yeah we're working on it okay great so I think that one moving forward I think will be good it may not
be um as quick as you would all like because we have the comp plan and we only have four members on the affordable housing committee right now and their schedules are kind of busy so I think we're moving it forward but may not be as quick as we would like um the administrative relief plan that was direction that was given also in May of
2024 at the time that uh the previous Council was not um interested particularly in giving out administrative relief to those that had applied they wanted to consider using administrative relief for other avenues and they wanted me to consider that um so thus far this council's already given
out I think it's at least two administrative reliefs um since you've been seated so I'm guessing that this Council may have different feelings but I don't want to speak for you so if you want me to continue looking at different Avenues to use administr relief I'll happily do that but if you're content
with using them as intended when people apply for administrative relief we'll push that one to the back I think I would I would I would say that we want to use them I want to use them as was originally intended but in
in working with um the comp plan ideas maybe they have uh another suggestion at least as we go forward of how because eventually we're going to run out of those too mhm yeah they'll look at it I'm sure they'll still look at it yeah but we can keep
going yeah I feel we should keep going with what we've got yeah um but we will we will be finding the end of that pile one of these days soon too so okay perfect um the windley key parking I
think I got Direction earlier in the meeting on that one so we'll move that one forward uh the food truck ordinance um I believe that came up this past December um I'm happy to move that forward individually but I think that makes more sense um as an overarching discussion
when we start working on the ldrs um I don't think there's an urgent need for it right now food trucks are preempted by the state in general the only thing we be a we would be able to regulate under an ordinance would be the location of food trucks um and I don't see an urgent need for that at the moment so I
think if we could hold off on that a little bit until we're ready to start looking at the ldrs i' be I'd be appreciative of that don't you already have a code case on that on one um we do we've sort of put that one the the applicant and asked because the council has asked us to look at an ordinance the
applicant or the Violator or whatever you want to call her has asked us to stay the code case until the ordinance is resolved and we've agreed to that so and we only have the one in the village that's correct well the only only violation there's only one violation
there's other food trucks but not advancing that we are not advancing that at this time okay anything else um and then the last one was um back in June of last year I believe the council gave direction to the Village manager to hold a public workshop on the use of
particularly Island silver and spice I wasn't clear if it was all Village owned property but it was Island SP and spice particularly um that direction was then given to myself in the planning department from the at that time current Village manager so um that's on my list
and I wanted to know the priority level of that from the council and whether or not it included um the Machado property and other Village I think we had asked to look at all the properties that we own uh and have maybe a list that they could either a be discussed B we wanted
to maybe get rid of one of them or I don't know but we did ask for you to give us a whole list because I'm not even sure what we own to and and nothing ever happened the that was requested a workshop in junee and nothing ever happened on that no sir no sir it it was
actually requested to have a workshop when it was originally purchased so um how long ago was that uh I I don't remember yeah so maybe we could do that but when you have time do list yeah um part of that will depend upon uh how we
move forward with doing some of the affordables because that was also one of the ideas of using that property and a list of of properties in the village that could be used for Public Works uh uh affordables whatever some
kind of overall list would be nice to have you you mentioned in the village I think I believe we own at least one parcel that might be outside Village in in in the county um just wanted to make sure you you want us to include that as however many there are but I think there
are some outside Village limits and actually oh no go ahead you go ahead you first okay and I was just going to say that um I know that able City East is also looking at U because when we had uh individual meetings with some of the department heads I know that AJ was very specific about one of the priorities of
the village is looking for a location for public works and so they're already like looking at some of the vacant properties that the village owns and what is feasible for public works so they are looking at some of that stuff as well so we can you know work on that with them as well so that's good and
when I had my individual meetings we we spoke about the fact that I think there's more than one lot outside the village that the village owns and what we can do maybe the county I think owns stuff inside maybe we could there was a
trade talked about quite a while ago but um of of some of those possibilities of of what we can do to pull it all back within the confines of the village I don't know what kind of properties they are so all right so I I'll keep that on
the list but I'll keep that sort of on the lower end of the list for now and try to work on the other two priorities that you guys have given me thank you anything else and if there was any other priorities that this Council wanted me to focus on at the moment I'm happy to look at that as well no you got a you
got a good feel for where you're going now I do thank you yeah does the baseball field is that included on that the interlock agreement um that wasn't a planning um directed item that was a manager directed item I don't know um what that fell on the list um John's asking me another hold
on awesome what what was your question about the baseball field oh the baseball oh I think that's still in L it it's the um uh as I recall it's been a while since we dealt with it it was one of
those items that was really at the Forefront for a long time but as I recall the the school district um uh was not necessarily moving forward we we had uh we had been working with them on a uh Master agreement as well as a specific
baseball field agreement and we had something drafted up was not agreed on there were still a number of outstanding terms the school board the school yeah at a school board meeting they approved it subject obviously to to anything that we would approve and it's I don't
believe I mean it's kind of fallen off if I remember correctly I think they weren't moving forward with it but I would have to double check with the district to confirm that but that's my understanding they they they are moving forward um I think AJ has some on
that uh yes they they are moving forward the uh the project was uh put out reput out the bid um and there was a new apparent winner um I believe we have a kickoff meeting here in the next week after Spring Break um with the school
district so it'll be a a preconstruction kickoff meeting with it and it's design build project um but I will be on that board as far as come back to us absolutely it'll it'll come back to to both the school district and to council
at every step um and it it'll be kind of a slow process because they've got to come to two different uh entities but um okay they are looking at moving forward with it I'm I'm glad to hear because I you it hasn't come to Legal since so we haven't been involved but obviously at
some point if it moves forward we will but as AJ said obviously everything need to go out for another RFP right no they they've already done that so that's what I'm saying they needed to go out for another one they've done that correct and and and gone and
presented that to the school board correct and I guess one of the next steps would be come to us with that with that plan that's what I heard from coach yeah I assume they would present I mean we can talk to them I mean they they
presented what was it about a year ago maybe May it's been a while I would assume they would come back but yeah there would need to be um an agreement that's approved by I mean listen we're the land owner so we we would have to approve uh as well as an updated uh uh ball field
agreement thank you yep um John are you going back to TJ Maxx for pajamas I think the stretch is still closed oh I had heard it opened up they opened it up I have several employees Sitting Waiting going to am I going to sleep I will tell
you at one point I was looking up hotels and there was I could only find one hotel at the new marot from from Marathon up to kilargo and it was almost $2,000 for the night let's do that for you yes so I did not book that I think I
got something I got aare bedroom at half the price and I do too and I have a flower shop you can sleep in the cooler it's cold all right are we done um no I just had a couple question report we can do it one one two way there's a few things on here I think
that we may be able to cross off um if you want to go through them or if you want to get back to me on some of the items um things like the village flag contest um so just starting the um that um Arts and Cultural coordinator an
offer has been made so we're just waiting to to uh complete the hiring process so that'll drop off soon the strategic plan um that is a lengthy process I think we should leave it in here and that will be up to the new
manager to move forward with that can let's bring the flag thing back up can we get rid of that that's up to you guys if you say who wants FL say take it off I'll take it off we're taking it off take it off oh bless you guys thank you I was cringy over here what else did we
have oh my God that was torture how flags are made uh the relocation of Public Works we'll leave that on there that's kind of an ongoing item there was one other thing on here this um sister city agreement that needs to
go away too you know what I actually we have a sister I know we do van got up at a meeting we do I know he said it this like Mississippi or Missouri okay I knew it was somewhere it wasn't Bahamas as buddy wanted buddy
wanted the Bahamas um and I don't really know what that involves if it's worthwhile for us to do it what what we did I give you a little background on last time is they had had a very bad hurricane over there and we gathered goods and and went to them and they came over here and we presented
them with some other stuff that we gathered and and we just tried to help them out and they we just partnered with them during the hurricane um they're about the same size as we they're same kind of area you know
it it was it was just a good thing that we were doing at the time so we'll wait for the next hurricane so uh I asked John and as far as I know this is kind of continued with that city until we say oh no we can have more than one so if there's something comes up in the future
that we want to partner and help somebody so she's our long lost sister yes okay okay and they were very nice people Joe did you want to say something standard up just just real quick regarding the baseball field it was a real hot topic there for a long time and
the school board and the council promised us many many workshops before they continued on so that we could give our input because at one time they wanted to put buildings all down the sides and rip all the trees out and everything else that's not true and now
all the well that's what came up and and now all of a sudden we hear that's it's already they've already got the bids and accepted and we still haven't had any other workshops so please consider that before you make the bids were just for the design and
they're working on that now but that last design was just from a company that wanted to prove that they could make a big showing it wasn't what they were planning on doing okay Sheil anything else no I think that's good and I we'll
revise revise that after action report and maybe make it a little more simplified I have one F just one quick question anybody know where that money for the $80,000 on that that settlement comes from 80,000 it comes out of our payroll payroll okay I mean that's you
know wasted money yeah well uh I have I have one uh the last item on the list oh wait a minute those are completed items right correct the last uh three or four items are completed and then those will
drop off and we'll keep dropping so doesn't end up to be such a long list so we're done meeting adjourned for