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well I really I appreciate that and I saw I saw you miss I said this call this meeting to order Marne would you call the role please council member Mark Greg yes council member Elizabeth Jolan yes council member Henry Rosenthal yes vice mayor Sharon Mahoney
here and mayor buddy Pender here we have a quum feedback yeah we got a little bit of feedback Vince oh okay all right so we got that done let's see Mr Horton how about you lead
us into pledge if you don't mind head over your heart repeat me I PL Ali to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible
with liy and justice for [Applause] [Music] all all right we'll have a quick prayer and we'll get rolling here Lord thank you for this awesome day today that you have made let us rejoice
and be glad in it and uh just thank you for the blue skies the rain just for everything here in the islands and uh we just thank you again and uh thank you for this evening bless all that are here and uh we ask all this in your precious
name amen amen okay so Derek we have a new captain captain leet quento are you going to introduce her to us Captain Paul I can do that good
evening for those of you who do not know I am um I've been here for two years as a captain I'm being transferred to Marathon um starting yesterday um but I'm going to how I enjoyed working here and really enjoyed the uh the partnership and the
friendship um of everybody including the citizens I'm truly going to miss it alamod is definitely a unique place and great place to work but in my um replacement will be uh Captain quento here who uh definitely will uh be uh hit
she'll hit the ground running already has and uh you she won't even skip a beat she's uh um she's been with the agency for 14 years and she's done everything from uh roope Patrol detective Sergeant detective she uh
started our threat management team and now oversees that as a captain um she just she does everything she doesn't sit down long enough to to take a break but you guys are definitely going to be in uh much better hands trust me so I'll
give her a [Applause] minute good evening everyone I'm captain LC ptero I come from marathon and I've actually worked in kilargo I've worked in District 1 worked for a little while in Marathon and now I'm really excited to work here in the village of alam
marada as the captain was explaining I've worn very many hats I've been a part of our Internal Affairs uh division with our agency I am the administ well actually the um Commander now for our crisis negotiations team hopefully we won't ever have to activate them
whatsoever threat management team I've done Road Patrol I was a detective with Major Crimes I was a lieutenant for a good long while I learned a whole lot I've um I I'm really excited to work in the village I I don't have business cards just yet so hopefully for our next meeting I'll have some business cards so
that I can pass them out and uh feel free to reach out I know that I have very very big shoes to fill because Captain paulish is such an incredible incredible individual but I'm really excited and looking forward to meeting everyone meeting all the businesses working together with you collaborating
as much as we possibly can and I'm here to serve thank you everyone we welcome you thank you very much [Applause] okay so uh Council how about requests for deletions and emergency additions
does anybody have any uh no I was just going to ask for a change on the agenda or not really a change but an order item on the consent agenda there are three items and one of them concerns me personally I would like to vote on the other items in the
consent agenda so I would ask if we could pull out the one that concerns me personally which is tab C which I will refrain which I'll abstain from when the time and if if you're just pulling it because of that you are allowed to vote on this motion because it's the uh even
though the it's a payment uh to you it's because of uh as a result of you acting in your official capacity uh and there is actually an Ethics there is an Ethics opinion out there that does allow council members to vote uh as long as they the ethics charge was dismissed or or found in their favor it does allow
them to vote in that so if if you're only pulling it for that reason you're you're able to vote on it that is the reason so I'll withdraw my request thank you right Henry uh yes
um the manager has a report on the fills are you going to elaborate I'm sorry should have taken care of this first here's Pizza Luke's pool
hall just for your curiosity this is Bob Johnson what can I tell you anyway on the fills are you going to elaborate on that tonight that's in the after action report so if there are questions about the fills I'd certainly be uh willing to entertain those uh when we get to that
point in the agenda or if it gets reordered whenever thought it I thought I would have thought it it qualified for a tab but apparently not so if we can have some discussion about that sure thank you should we do that
now no okay also after action also uh uh the church in reference to the using the church property for the library I would have thought that qualified for a tab but maybe not are you going to dis
expound on that at all if it's in your weekly report all right councilman rosenal everything that's in the weekly report is not necessarily converted to a tab in the agenda I distribute that so council is aware and can ask staff questions Express concerns and we would follow up
accordingly having not received any questions or concerns uh that wasn't planned but it is in the after action report I believe and we can answer any questions that relate to that at that point as well if that's satisfactory you you you I could count on you to elaborate on that sometime this
evening sure I'd be happy to speak to what the status is and I've been asked to bring up the habitat and the voting process for Habitat from the last meeting can can we agenda that or have a discussion about that
please I'm not bringing it forward for myself but someone asked me to do that so I just to Courtesy are you are you asking um that it be brought back as an a future agenda
item for the the August meeting to to to bring back that uh reservation if it can be handled this evening that'd be fine if it's delayed till August I guess I could comply with that yeah I think we it would have to go
till to August um but if um uh in in our Council procedures it has a uh uh prohibition on bringing something back that was defeated uh or that was uh addressed for more than six months but that can be waved by a majority vote of
the council so I would suggest that that you you you add it as a motion um to direct staff to bring that back and as long as there's a majority vote of the council in favor um then we can bring that back um okay well so moved what are you talking about yes identify the
tab please apparently there's some discontent as to what the final finding was and I was asked and again and it's not me I was asked to bring it
up and for rediscussed what's the issue what do we he talking about the habitat the Gorman property that the one on Wood Street Woods Avenue right wood Woods Aven better
onead are sort of distressing but um Henry what do you want to do bring this back for a tab is that what we're to I suppose that would be sufficient yes John is that can we do that if we have this the yeah I mean the motion would be made
today but it would not be it wouldn't be considered the substance wouldn't be considered today um and and that was what I understood you were asking about was the the habitat um affordable housing uh project that was discussed at the June meeting right yeah so yeah the motion would would need to be made if
there's a majority of the council that would like to uh bring it back and and wave the the uh policy uh that can be done um but again it wouldn't the substance wouldn't be dealt with until a future meeting okay so so moved wait I'm
could I ask a question there are you're making a motion to just to bring it back rehe to rehear the item okay can I wait wait wait I I want to understand what it was what what did we what was
the outcome the the the item at the last meeting was actually was a reservation of um eight uh affordable housing units that were not they're not the early out 300 they were the the remaining non early out affordable units that we had
um that was built that was earmarked to be built on is it Woods Avenue am I remembering that correctly um that was a project approved by the council two or three years ago and the uh it was originally awarded to a company by the
name of Gorman who who uh elected not to proceed as part of that approval there was a uh a fallback that said if Gorman could not or would did not proceed that it would uh revert to Habitat for Humanity that was the the actual
substance of it wasn't brought back at the last meeting but a reservation of the eight units um was was brought back there was discussion on the deis as to whether or not the council wanted to proceed with that um uh with that project and ultimately at the end of the
day the council voted um uh to not reserve the uh the eight units uh for for anything specifically for to not reserve it for Woods Avenue or or any specific project so John can we look into this further because I was under
the estimation that this when Gorman didn't do it that habitat had already been approved for that project as the default contractor ye yes so habitat steps into the shoes of Gorman um but we did the
reservation of those units had had expired so those units had not been reserved for that allocation that's what the the uh the original item was brought back but there was a larger discussion in terms of is this something that the council The Village still wants to wants to move forward with okay all right so
Henry made a motion vice mayor Mahoney second it Marney can you call the role if there's no further discussion I do have one question so we're rehearing the entire item that's all we're that's what we're doing the whole the whole item is going to come back to us yeah I mean really honestly the item is just the
reservation of the units I mean that's really that was the the limits of the item that was actually presented to the council but there was a a much broader discussion that the council had as to whether it wanted to move forward so um the item that will be brought back forward is the reservation of units but
there is that underlying discussion uh that I assume you all will continue as to is this project something that you you even still want to do John wasn't the discussion focused on uh the fact or the opinion that the development was going
to occur in a hammock wasn't that the the gist of it all there was that and I think that there was some discussion about maybe there were were better project locations um that the council uh thought there might have been better locations available for uh for the the use of those um units but yeah there was
there was all that discussion yes so but Gorman had already been approved to go on that site the same time habitat did the nine Gorman was approved to do the eight they were already approved yeah but it it was subject to it is
subject to a uh uh a land lease or or an additional agreement that we have to enter into whether it was Gorman or with with habitat so that would still exist even even if the village were to uh reconsider and and Reserve those lots obviously there's still multiple steps
that need to take place before um you know you can even get Shovel into ground uh regardless of who it might be i' like to have a report from Daniel have Daniel maybe look at this further myself personally to see what because there was a little discrepancy that night Mr Greg
talk about was talking about that Jennifer said something about it wasn't high quality hammock or something so if we're going to talk about it we need to have you do or Rob if you you know you're you know what I mean understood
okay all right okay you I but if if because it's a the way that was brought to us there there were multiple layers of the conversation so we were making a decision based on this idea that that reservation was attached to
that property so um so the the what I'm hearing you ask the staff is to come back bring that item back with possibly other locations for those units to be to be built
asking specific location no yeah other ones don't matter I'm just asking but what what is there is there something about that just to have a more robust conversation is there something about that a shovel ready project and they have the money to go for eight units
that Gorman didn't want to do so but we talked about other properties that would allow them to build even more affordable housing units without having to clear as much or maybe not even any hammock so that that was where the the tug of war occurred would does it offend anybody to
ask for I guess it's I don't know who it is to ask someone in planning to bring back the discussion with some alternative locations with possibly a bigger project is there does it make anybody mad if we have that conversation let our manager speak on because I don't
think habitat is was I I think that would make it a pretty complex conversation to begin looking at other parcels and trying to find locations for affordable housing and that would take us well beyond reconsideration of the agenda item that I'm hearing the motion for I defer to legal counsel on this but
I think the motion on the table is reconsideration of the application we had on the table and to the extent that there's interest from Council in entertaining that you would vote and it would come back and we would discuss the facts of that particular and the facts
of that application the intent of my motion is just for the discussion of what we happen to be having right now so that's what where it is so John can since let's call the role we already have a motion in a second and uh just
for the discussion so we so it's going to be on the agenda as a discussion item and not reconsideration as the ordinance is that what Henry's saying well I think if if the motion would be because we could put anything on for a discussion item you wouldn't need the motion so uh the motion would
be to As I understood it and and council member Rosena can can correct me if I'm wrong was to uh bring back the agenda item um as was presented um for considerate discussion and consideration right redis reconsideration and
discussion yes call okay is everybody clear Marney call the rooll please so we can move on here council member Henry rosenfall yes vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes council member Elizabeth Jolan
no okay I'm sorry council member Mark Greg no and mayor buddy Pender yes okay that motion passes three to two Okay uh all right Council Elizabeth do you have any deletions or additions
yourself okay vice mayor Mahoney yes I'd like to move Tab 10 to the very front and because there's people here who drove for a while to get here and I'd like to get it over and done with if that's agreeable to everybody do I hear everybody agreeable with that Tab
10 when you say to the front which which front which section soon as we can hear it how's that well we could hear it in the next item but you want to do it right after public comment sure right after public comment
sure everybody okay with that yes yes all right okay so we're good all right uh nobody else has anything right they think okay all right so we'll move on then all right so reports
presentation and announcements uh P okay Vince is going to queue up a presentation uh good evening Council so at the June 11th Village council meeting the council our discussion regarding the growing use of the area out just
offshore of the Sunset Drive Beach waitting on but I can start uh on the present there we go all right so you see here from this photo and thank you John I believe this photo is taken off of John Meers maybe
balcony appreciate the use of this photo you can see the issue we're talking about here this is growing use by Rec recreational party voters just offshore uh Council wanted to discuss this item following public comment they gave direction to staff to bring this back as an agenda item for this meeting with
some considerations recommendations and a potential path forward if we wanted to investigate creating a new vessel exclusion or Swim Zone in this area so that's what I'm going to do tonight just a brief presentation addressing those those topics all right next slide
Vince so just another photo that previous photo was high tide this is a low tide situation you can see much more sand exposed here but the these boats are in the people are within that inner tidle Zone as far as I know there isn't people up on the beach and I just like to point out this was Memorial Day
Weekend super nice weather uh virtually no wind and 4th of July I know this same issue occurred and it was again really nice weather a little windier maybe like 5 to 10 on hour winds okay next slide so the first thing I wanted to do is just highlight uh the Florida
Statutes this is really important if we want to pursue this so This 32 327.5 6 statute that deals with boating restricted areas I'll just read this in case anyone can't uh read this it's so boating restricted areas including but not limited to restrictions of vessel
speeds and vessel traffic may be established on the Waters of this state for any purpose necessary to protect the safety of the public so I have that highlighted because that's a really important point it's got to be for protection of the safety of the public and it goes on a little bit more to
describe this in more detail but just to summarize in that next paragraph So in accordance with that statute The Village does have the authority to create certain boating restricting areas including vessel exclusion zones and public swim areas provided that such an
area is not established for private purposes or for Shoreline protection so again the way we Justified the port Antigua and white Marin Beach Swim Zone was for Public Safety a swimming issue there are homeowners association beaches right there people swimming out there
all of the wording in our permit applications and in the ordinance was for Public Safety so we cannot create this an ordinance and this zone for people being loud or people disturbing the residents dogs coming up onto the beach people littering people anchoring
at seagrass we can't do it for any of those reasons it needs to be for Public Safety okay Vince so I just I drew a just a brief diagram a layout for a potential buoy uh layout if we wanted to move forward with
a new vessel exclusion Zone and I modeled this after what we did at Port antig where we went 300 ft off of the mean high water line that's where we created our boundary our vessel exclusion boundary the buoys are spaced about 180
to 200 ft apart so if we're considering this area which is about 1,600 ft long we be looking at about nine new buoys and there was a reason why we created this at 300 ft and during discussions with the state during the port Ana uh
creation of that zone I know our previous previous Village attorney Ro Brian I discussed this at length and he relay to me so this is secondhand we will confirm this if we needed to but the state wouldn't allow us to create this Zone Beyond 300 fet and I think
that had to do with the current ordinance we already have of our 300 foot idle speed zone from Shore and potential confliction with that so I know there's been discussions about 300 ft not being far enough out but I don't believe we could extend farther out than that but you can 300 ft does put us
outside that sand area it's obvious right there the darker in that that image is seagrass seagrass and hard bottom community so we are talking placing these buoys out in the seagrass and coral there's definitely going to be Coral in here so we're talking about you know sensitive benic resources here as
well so okay next slide this is just a diagram showing the area that I highlighted in that previous slide we're talking about half of Sunset Drive so that incompass is that Sandy Beach area that the people are currently
anchoring their boats off of so we need to consider if we would want to extend that because if we just created a Zone in this one area wouldn't we not push boats further north and then if we wanted to include all of Sunset Drive wouldn't we just be pushing boats even
farther north so we may even have boats then anchoring right in front of CO's Beach along the highway you know creating potentially another issue like we have on the 18m stretch with boats anchored right off the The Busy Road of course we know that's going to cause um traffic congestion so something to
consider where do we want to you know end our vessel exclusion Zone okay next slide Vince just wanted to show you what our vessel exclusion Zone buoys look like if you're not aware they are a little larger than our standard 300t idle speed zone buoys they're about 4
feet tall a little wider about 16 in wide and they do have that wide base at the bottom so that is right off of por what okay next slide so we'll just get into considerations things that we need to think about if we're going to move forward with this again this needs to be
to protect the safety of the public it cannot be for private purposes so that that next bullet there I think this is important too does the use of this area so use by these recreational party boers does that justify the need to create a
new exclusion Zone what do I mean by that this is a different situation than Port Antigua this is the ocean as opposed to the Bayside the Bayside as you're well aware mitigated by wave activity from the shallowness of Florida Bay all the mud Banks even on a 20 mph
North Wind or west wind people were heavily using that Port Antigua uh water area different case on the ocean side if we have winds of 15 miles an hour on Shore that's a rough area it would you know I think would probably disturb the
sarcasm it's not going to be be a real Pleasant situation there it is different than Port Antigua so luckily or maybe unluckily we did have very calm conditions these past two holiday weekends the boers were using it so I think we would need to investigate during higher winds say like 10 to 15
miles an hour maybe the residents can tell us are people using that beach when it gets rough there so we may only be talking about a handful of days that this is an issue uh maybe five six seven days out of the year it's only going to be during obviously the summer warm water months holidays and weekends and
there's just not that many days out of the Year where that occurs so that's something we need to investigate as well next point this would be a comp oh sorry no next point there so this would be a complete vessel exclusion that includes paddle boards and kayaks there's no exception to that we tried to
look for an exception to that during the port Antigua uh case they would not allow paddle boards and kayaks are vessels so you would not be allowed the residents to paddle their kayaks canoes or paddle boards out into the ocean unfortunately just wanted everyone to be
aware of that so environmental concerns another big one here more buoys so nine or possibly 10 more buoys we're adding more Hardware drilling of holes more plastic in the Water Maintenance concerns these would have to be drilled we're talking about a hard bottom again
it's not a soft Florida Bay bottom where we could screw in the anchors these are 4ot tall helical anchors they're 4 in wide we would need to drill 6 in wide holes about 4T deep place the anchors and then backfill uh so that potentially
could impact benic resources that's something that the permitting agencies are going to look at it would most definitely impact seagrass and coral uh so the agencies that permit this are always looking for Alternatives that's why I have challenges here I think this would be a significant permitting
challenge there are five agencies that would need to review this it's reviewed more than anything else we do believe it or not one buoy there's five agencies involved uh it is Sovereign submerged state land so I believe we would need a state land lease as well uh enforcement another
point I want to bring up you know it's going to be more strain on our local law enforcement can we enforce it that's going to be questions we need to ask and we had is Nelson still here anyway Nelson was here he would be certainly the guy to talk to about that here is he
okay um so anyway another consideration uh the costs so upfront costs uh through installation so what I have here that would be design permitting and installation I estimate that about 80 to $100,000 we'd probably be looking at $40
to $50,000 for design and permitting and $40 to $50,000 for uh the cost of the of the parts accessories and the installation I'm thinking that's probably going to be the higher end now because we're talking barges a barge D
to drill the holes uh significant cost just for mobilization of a barge and now everything just seems to be more expensive expensive so we're probably looking at the higher end there uh that Port Antigua white Marlin was those buoys that installation was fully paid out of the general fund so there is no
grant money available for us that would you know have to be tax-based Revenue as far as I know also we also have to think about maintenance we're currently budgeting $5,000 annually for the port Antigua swim Zone the first year we had that swim Zone we spent
$115,000 on maintenance there was a lot of vandalism and there were a couple adjustments that would need to be made but those are probably the maintenance costs we're looking at and then enforcement costs again I don't know what that is but another question we have to think about okay next
slide and final slide here just the process moving forward if in fact we want to move forward with a a new vessel exclusion Zone I would highly recommend public input if you can remember how many people you know showed up for those meetings when we were discussing Port Antigo that that was years of public
comment uh there was a vote that went through the community as well that was done by the residents that could be a good idea uh if in fact the council does decide they want to move forward with this staff Direction The Next Step would be to create an ordinance that's the first thing we would need we would need
to do establish an ordinance creating a new vessel exclusion Zone following that we move on to the permitting and or first design I would recommend pre-application meetings with the permitting agencies just to make sure that we could even do this uh there's a possibility it would not be
allowed uh then we move into the design after that's done contractor procurement for the installation of the buoys once that's done we're we're talking about enforcement and uh maintenance and that's all be happy to answer any
questions if there are any counc anybody have any questions for Peter all right thank you Peter okay sure all right all right so we're going to open up general public comment now would you be able to comment on his
presentation uh yeah because it's not a tab item right they can address it during general public comment if they so choose tab one oh you're right is tab one that's right okay that's all right you can you can speak on it thank you
sir my name is Brad doery I live on Lower mumbi Beach the subdivision that you're talking about doing this before you would make any decision I would ask you to take the same pictures of the traffic on a holiday out here and the
founder Park activities when you have big events on a holiday I mean it's just the nature of the Beast people go out and do holiday activities and in this case this picture is not a indicative of
99.9% of the time what's going on that beach I know my neighbors are here they're good neighbors for many years I've been down there over 40 years and uh I don't like what you did at Port Antiga you're limiting public accent access the port Antigua area it's only
accessible by boat you impact the handicap the kids the elderly and now you want to do it on the oceans side over on Sunset my question to you is is this one of your agenda items that you want to do this for the whole village where you do segments at a time because
where are people supposed to go to go on the beach that picture there that you showed is a perfect picture for the tourist development agency they be putting that online saying come to the Florida Keys have a great time and
now certain people may be adversely affected occasionally I don't know their specifics but that's why we have the sheriff's department if the village is going to look at curtailing our rights to access shallow Waters in the beach
and it was mentioned for Public Safety I encourage you to pull all the reports for emergency responses accidents injuries law enforcement activities there I dare you to find any in that area and additionally I would make you
have the residents send you a picture every day for a year of that same location in order to justify what you're asking for I don't think it's right for our community legislative body to be denying the public access to
Waters that they've been going to for since time Immortal that's all I got to say thank you thank you Marne we have anybody else signed up for General yes we do um next up would be Hugh casano followed by Chuck mcder Alan Davis and
Van Cadenhead good evening so I'm Hugh casano and I I hope you take the time to to a little story I I put into your uh packet right it's about my daughters and what's going on on Port an tigua uh I was born in
Miami and uh spent large part of my life uh early life in hiia right and I was first made on a boat which was where I first experienced uh the keys and I remember going by these beautiful houses on the ocean wondering who lived there right and I'm I'm very privileged to to
be here and have chosen this after 20 years of being in Ariz Iona moving here and rais deciding to raise my children here I have a 8-year-old and a a nine and a 5-year-old now right um and although my neighbor you
know uh is you know adamant at saying that the the the properties and how they should be used and everything else he doesn't actually live on the beach right he's not affected so so it is pretty easy to point a finger and say yeah the guy on the beach he's got he's got Beach
problems right and and and uh he doesn't have real problems but when you have people arrested for showing their genitalia to your young children right when you have uh loud music playing and when you have a disruption in life and
picking up garbage and and seeing people use the bathroom dogs unleash seven dogs seven large dogs this weekend uh at at uh on our beach without leashes running around and um it's my good neighbor and friend
too so um you know it's it's it's uh it's easy to stand on the outside and look at it and and make a judgment call but in reality I will tell you I moved here 3 years ago and the conditions have progressively gotten worse and I don't
call the police anymore right I decided just to just do it again and I knew I didn't want to and I did because there was this huge Doberman and a Rottweiler on the on the beach and they were running around and my kids were terrified all they wanted to do was play
on the little raft in front of the house um and they couldn't go on the beach so I said you know maybe I'll do it again I called the police and I had people because of the Florida law you have to disclose who called uh I had These Guys these larger guys walking around the
beach looking to get into an altercation with me because my name is Hugh and I was the one who called the police lease on them so even doing the right thing creates another level of problems because they were on the beach for 3 days and you're literally held hostage
in your house where you can't go out and that's a terrible feeling to come to when this is not what I bought into right that's not the place I bought that's not what I thought the the keys were growing up poor you get to
experience um you get to experience the environment through school trips and everything and I don't even think they do that anymore right I mean I think all of us here are similar in age right where where you had field trips and you would learn about the Everglades you'd learn about the keys you'd learn about turtles one of the fascinating things I
thought was wow here go my children able to learn and see turtles hatch on a beach and be part of this miracle right that's happening and instead what I'm getting in return is nothing like that right and and I tell you it is getting
aggressively worse and more aggressive can you try to wrap it up young man I will um I I wish you take the time to just read my story right because it it sort of encompasses everything but I do appreciate all that you do and I love the fact that you pray
uh before the meeting and do the Pledge of Allegiance I I have Council meetings and stuff in Scottdale they don't do that so this is a unique place and I'm really glad to be here I appreciate your time thank you who's next Marty next up is Chuck
mcder we still be friends absolutely I'm just going there anyway my name is Chuck mcarter I came here when end of the year Andrew hit we didn't have this problem granted we do not have this
problem on a daily basis but we have a lot of this on the weekend I live on the cesac I spent a few thousand dollars to put in an invisible fence to keep my dog
in but that doesn't keep their dogs out this past weekend two times dogs came right up one started up my steps the other one just come in and peed around literally
I know there's a lot of things have to be done to get something like this through but as Hugh said we're trapped in our house on the weekend those pictures I don't know if when were those pictures taken this
weekend Memorial Day of July yeah it was bad Memorial day but it was really bad Fourth of July weekend so whatever can be done and I'd appreciate it very much thank you all right thank
you and next up is Alan Davis hi guys I'm a retired physician living on Sunset Beach and I came here for tranquility and peace well this weekend wasn't tranquil and it wasn't peaceful so I want to comment on something you're completely
ignoring is the public health hazards alcohol and boating is very dangerous and this weekend there were many inebriated people right off my Shore in addition they were driving sco
or whatever they call them jet skis not just for an hour not for two hours but for 6 to eight hours each day that's not good for turtle grass if you're worried about the turtles and it's certainly not good for the
maintenance of a beach third I did not personally see it but it's been documented that there were diapers in the water and fecal matters that was floating now you may not know but urine is not dangerous it's sterile
but fecal matter is very dangerous it carries hepatitis it carries AIDS it carries all kinds of things and that's not to be ignored so I chose to to emphasize the health hazards and you're
not even thinking about that so people are going to die there because of the alcohol people are going to get sick there because of the practices that are done there it's not if it's when so correct it now and you won't
have a problem but only one person has to die and that's not right just for someone to enjoy some sunshine where there really shouldn't be thank you thank
you next up is Van Caden head well to follow behind the uh last few speakers um there's very many problems with with uh the increase in boating partying off of our Shores and I show I
saw the uh picture that uh Pete put up for the nine buoys and uh I noticed that the N the the line that went up for 300 ft was not at a 90° angle from the high tide line in other words that whole line
of of buoys should have been out about another 20 or 30 feet and I really hope that you uh listen to these people that are that are in trouble that are stuck in their houses that are are having uh dirty diapers
wash up on their Beach this is supposed to be a turtle uh Beach uh for for uh preserving our environment and having a place for turtles to nest and we're letting it turn into a party central
drunk Fest and I would urge you to take steps and take whatever steps and whatever time and whatever money it takes to protect not only the people that are here but protect these islands because we can protect everything all
the way around the village of uh Islands here for for uh 300 ft and and you know we're going to uh discuss a a police boat tonight well you know if we have a police boat that is able to enforce
whatever ordinances that you draft which I hope are very stringent and enforceable and enforced and with with fines then uh I'll be happy and so will these people but but just to open up our
beautiful pristine uh B uh ocean front to a a and make it party central is is not living up to what's that mission statement says on the wall there and you're making you're making these people that paid all kinds of money and pay all
kinds of taxes miserable because they're held hostage in their own homes so please uh do something and do it now and and you know let's get the let's get the permitting process started and let's put something in the budget and let's
examine the fact that that this is protecting our environment so why are we not discussing this with the Department of Environmental Protection and get a federal Grant because if you will uh listen uh to what's gone before about
the Florida National Marine Sanctuary the the sanctuary goes right up to the high tide Mark so we could get federal funds to help this protection and we could do it all the way around all the islands that's what we need we need to stop this nip it in the bud get these
people back to Miami with their jet skis and let them go party somewhere else thank you very much thank you van all right Marne any other public comment yes we have some speakers on Zoom next up is Karen Miller okay Miss Miller go ahead
hello we can hear you okay thank you um I I had a I'm a I'm a realtor had a listing on sunet uh drive and I actually have um videos and um well actually have still photos of turtles nesting right on
that beach and I think I I can't speak is exactly when the turtle nesting season begins and ends but I you know I a few people uh mentioned that that but I think that really needs to be taken into consideration um with all these boers
out there that's going to affect the turtle nesting and that that's many many many months over the summer months sure and I think they start nesting in April if I'm not mistaken so I just wanted to bring that up um because even though I don't live there but I think those
beaches need to be um need to be protected so that's all I have to say thank you thank you anybody else Marne that it yep next up we have Mr wishm okay Mr wishm go ahead yes Joe wishm Plantation key Mr
Mayor and Council I would like to take this time to congratulate you on your choice of Rob Cole to be our village manager getting weekly reports directly from the manager's office keeps residents informed on current issues and projects what a breath of fresh air for
the community putting the past behind us and moving forward in a positive manner is a must but speaking of the past I cannot believe that our former manager Ted Yates would have the audacity to submit
such a demand letter to this Council number one reinstatement really after his tumultuous oneye in charge number two a three-year contract with automatic renewal really he could couldn't even
get through one year and now he wants three years number three back pay from August 2023 to include all benefits and housing really we have all dealt with contracts before a non-renewal of a
contract does not entitle anyone to severance pay back pay or any other benefits I hope that when you received this letter that you threw it in the garbage because that's where it deserves to be IGN or it remember he was not
fired it was a vote not to renew his contract due to Performance and communication issues so please ignore that letter lastly I would like to know why tab two which involves such an important issue which is direction for
staff review of the comp plan of buildout limit is under mayor council communication which again means no public comment please let res pres speak on important issues such as this thank you very
much Martin anybody else yes we do um next up on Zoom George Hefty okay Mr Hefty go ahead hello you'll need to unmute anybody else Mary uh yes um Dave
petkovich Hold on a moment let me get back to Mr pekovich and allow him to speak okay go ahead Mr pekovich hello Council I wanted to um I live on Port
Antigua white Marlon Beach and I wanted to tell you about the environment there what's happened since 2020 when we've implemented this swim zone is phenomenal it's come back five times over the seagrass when I'm out in the water we
especially last fall we see turtles on 20% of our rides 30% of our rides sometimes the seagrass the turtles the amount of species that are coming in there is just amazing I think the same thing's going to happen obviously at Sunset
Drive I think this um increase and the environment getting better there outweighs the drilling that we had to do I believe that from living there and watching it the next thing I wanted to talk about was the enforcement which was a big thing at Port Antigua and white Marlin we had the sheriff down there all
the time he's hardly ever down there anymore he's there here and there but very rarely especially since we got white Marlin done and and what's happened is we freed up time for the sheriff to be on the road and doing other things that we want them to do um I think if you look to the right
on the wall the quiet enjoyment sign says it all and I think that's what we have to do um I'm with I'm on a Nearshore water committee and I'm not here representing them but I'm with Peaceful Waters voting group and I'm getting a lot of calls and everybody is
supporting Sunset Drive for this um I think what's happened in lower mat on the port Antigua white Marlin side has literally changed the culture there it really has we had this environment of just partying and some of the atrocities
they talked about feces coming off Boats off the side of boats and I would pick up two or three five gallon buckets of garbage off the beach every Monday now it's a couple pieces here and there it's just a phenomenal difference thank you
Council for listening thank you Marne yes um looks like Mr Hefty is still would like to speak okay Mr Hefty go ahead and unmute and you have 3 minutes I got make
sure I'll pick it up on the I know you were worried when I slow down but I need do that turn that up okay Mr Hefty are you um able to speak sir we can't hear you if you're trying to speak
okay we can move to the next person we have somebody else on Zoom yep we have someone with the um handle iPhone okay go ahead you've got three minutes hi it's Robert Moser lower metac
compy Beach Property Owners Association um hello mayor and Council I'm the current president of the association and we did try to get ahead of this uh back in 2020 sending out working with Ros and then Council and with Pete frza and
sending out the appropriate letters and of uh interest taking the appropriate votes of our members but those have since uh changed we have new people that have moved into the neighborhood and most recently we had a meeting of our
board of directors and we sent out a survey to all of the homeowners property owners in the subdivision and you should have received most of those replies we were copied on many of them and we make ourselves available um going forward in survey and
tabulating votes um at your pleasure thank you very much thank you Marney yes uh next up Don Horton for the record I'm Don Horton 47 scooner Bay Road and I didn't come here to talk about Sunset and their problems
there but I wish them luck uh came here to talk about uh letters of map Amendment uh a letter of map revision is an official document we call them a lar issued by FEMA that revises the current flood insurance rate maps for a specific
location this revision reflects changes to flood zones flood planes and other map features based on updated hydrological and H Hydra hydratic uh data and topographic surveys improvements to flood plane management and I'll tell you as the retired
building official and flood pay manager for both Monroe County and a village I signed off on many requests to amend flood maps so here are the key points about a lar which is the letter of map rision Al lar is typically requested to reflect changes resulting in from human
activities like construction projects improvements in drainage systems or natural changes in topography or hydrology uh request for a lar involves submitting detailed technical data and mapping FEMA not to the building official this includes engineering
analysis of topographical data and other supporting documentation FEMA reviews the submission to ensure revisions meet the guidelines and the standards and a very small part of that review is asking the local flood plane manager uh to see
if there's any conflict uh conflicts with any of the locally adopted codes and ordinances and once it's approved FEMA issues the lar and the Chang are incorporated into the flood insurance rate Maps potentially affecting flood insurance requirements and building
regulations Property Owners may experience changes in flood insurance requirements uh for for instance if a property is moved out of a higher risk flood zone the need for mandatory flood insurance may even be elim eliminated or
reduced updated flood maps can influence land use planning decisions uh and it can assist as a tool to create more resilient properties low Mars can involve modifying modifying flood plane boundaries updating base flood
elevations reclassifying uh reclassifying flood zones or correcting a map error uh lar is a legally binding document U it updates the effective firm map um so for property owners and local
governments a lar can be a crucial tool for managing flood risks so with all that said I'm begging this Council just stop listening to the uninformed as I've said time many times before just because somebody gets up here and said something with authority it doesn't make what
they're saying factual or true there have been several times that the uninformed have tried to make recent flood zone changes the fault of our building official I assure you that this is far far from the truth your building official only addresses one small part
of a larger application that's made to FEMA this decisions are made by FEMA and changes the flood zone are the function of FEMA and FEMA alone so thank you thank you Don Martin anybody else no that's it okay all right with that said public comments now
closed can I comment uh Council he's already you get one one public comment if if we open it up for him we open it up for everybody to comment a second time okay there's a public comment on the tab which was the first one general public
comment am I not no that that was General Public comment hey I you know what I I'll let the the the councel you know say do we want to let him speak or let him speak you everybody in
agreement go ahead then wow it's difficult you know I don't come to these often but every now and then when something's on the thing that adversely affects me I I take a vested interest some of the things these gentlemen that are just not true the
doctor now who wants to be inection control expert on our beaches is sorely mistaken if he walks his Beach he'll probably find more needles uh than than diapers that have washed the shore through whatever happens
and I too have rights I don't live on the beach I live on the canal in the same subdivision and I purchased my property over 40 years ago way before some of these fellas and God bless him I'm I'm happy they got a piece on the beach the pictures that you look at not
one person is on the beach they're all 50 to 100 ft out on on in the water so I also don't want to be funding these private interest groups for maintaining buoys hunt spending hundreds of thousand dollars to install them then to maintain
them if they want to suggest that let them put their money where their mouth is let them create a special taxing district among monst themselves and pay for you know as as people who don't live on the beach occasionally we like to go to the beach it's not frequently it's
infrequently but on a holiday that they want to throw all this stuff out and say they're adversely affected that's not true they can go out of their houses anytime they want now they can't go out on US1 try to go to Publix on a holiday it'll take you three hours to go from lower mumi up there and back so that's
what we ought to be focusing on not for a couple people complaining about you know a weekend where people are out there having fun with her family and kids thank you very much thank you wonder if I com go ahead for one we got to
do well thank you very much for allowing me to say the last word uh Brad and I have been friends for many many years and he knew this was coming up many years ago that we'd be in adverse positions And as far as people coming there every day or every week or
whatever there's a lot of people coming on the weekends now you know it doesn't have to be a holiday or whatever and it does affect uh the environment uh Public Safety because all they come there for they don't come
there for a couple hours like Brad would come there for a couple hours they come there for all day and uh as the doctor said uh he's been living there for four years so he's seen certain things and yes there is a lot of
needles but uh it's Public Safety and Health that we're concerned about not private individuals you know if they want to have music or whatever sure we can call the police which I did a few nights ago they came down the street at 9:30 with their lights on the music
stopped they sha their lights on them and I said where's the FWC to go in the water and and visit these people oh we didn't call them I said well how are you going to get out there and check what they're doing they've been there for 12 hours
so uh he sha the lights on them they took off they went South they didn't go north this time so we do have a problem and uh it's up to you to help us thank
you all right anybody else Marne no I don't have anyone else signed up all right all right public comments close totally right now uh excuse me sir you open public comment for tab one we have not van you know what van sit down
or I'm going to have you I said just there is no general public there is no public comment for tab one what happened was General Public comment L public comment for tab one and now we have general public comment for the rest of the people that signed up which is me
hey van you need to cool it buddy okay I've let you know what I've let you go and go you want to keep on keep on and you know what all right John are we okay we're good Council are we okay public comment was opened up and and it was completed right
okay thank you sir okay we're on Tab 10 now which was moved up y uh Tab 10 is a resolution of the Village Council of alam Village of violence Florida approving residential building permit allocation rankings and awarding residential building permit allocations for quarter 2 of 2024 and providing an
effective date uh good evening counc Daniel perach senior environmental planner uh I'm going to read this uh for Jennifer on her behalf tonight so this item is the second quarter 2024 residential be
residential B pass for market rate um pursuant to section 30-47 of the code the village is required to take action after reviewing the building permit allocation system evaluation report uh pursuant to resolution 24-
05-30 adopted on May 7th 202 24 Seven market rate residential allocations were made available for 2024 through the bass including five market rate with land dedication and two market rate without land dedication available for distribution in quarter 2 of 2024 at the
close of quarter 2 2024 61 applications for market rate residential permit allocations were in the bass Q awaiting building permit allocation Awards pursuant to section 30- 476 A4 of the code a landowner May voluntarily
dedicate to the Village a vacant buildable lot or buildable land as a part of an application to the bass in order to receive 10 additional points towards the bass score on June 23rd 2022 The Village Council passed an adopted by individual resolution the five Parcels
of land to be dedicated to the Village to receive additional points towards a bass score uh those five lots and or those five resolutions and lots are listed in your packet um and additional note uh pursuant to chapter 30 Article 4 division 11 building permit allocation
system section 30- 477 administrative relief of this code Chris trentine on behalf of CBT construction and development Incorporated applied to the Village Council for administrative relief from the bass for property located at 122 iroise Street as of the
close of the 2024 quarter 2 market rate B pass on June 28th 2024 building permit psfc 201018 02189 has not received an administrative relief allocation and has been in the
bass system for an additional year earning two additional bass points the bass application now has 19 points which ranks the permit application number six on the quarter 2 list the proposed resolution for the residential bass rankings and awarding market rate
building per allocations for quarter 2 of 2024 pursuant to the Village code section 30- 476 the residential bass applications were evaluated scored and ranked according to the criteria outlined in the village code and identified in the table in your
packet uh budget impact if approved as recommended the additional property value created by these building permits would increase the village Villages ad fum tax revenue in future fiscal years uh staff Impact Staff impact would be limited to processing the associated
development permits uh for recommendation it is recommended that the Village Council adopt the proposed resolution thereby approving the residential bass rankings and awarding seven market rate residential building permit allocations for quarter 2 of 2024
and staff are here to answer any all questions okay let me get back to that again all right do we want to council you want to talk about anything you want to have public comment public comments next all right public comment is now
open for Tab 10 okay okay first up we have Ty Harris good evening Council Ty Harris for the law firm of Tai Harris PA 110 Plantation Shores Drive Taver Florida uh this is the end of a long long process
we've gotten a little grayer maybe gained a couple pounds since this started in 2022 when the land dedications were actually accepted by resolution um by this Village Council I I I feel like I've done the presentation five or six times and I don't feel a
need to to do it again um however there was an issue that did come up and it was very interesting yesterday that dealt with the lot dedications in the bay hammock Owners Association area because there's a provision in their HOA docs
that require lot owners to contribute a certain amount of money annually and so of course we would not want to put that on the village and I don't think that was ever an intended um deal by either the village or or the the folks
dedicating the lot so in discussions with emails with Rob and with John uh we were able to get a a resolution of the board um addressing this issue and I have a copy in in the file but I also want to read it into the record so that
there's no concern that the village when they accept these Lots finally um has any obligation to pay into any any HOA fee and this is Bay hammock Owners Association Incorporated 10 Flamingo
hammock road is marado Florida 33036 uh it's stated today regarding Bay hammock resolution of the board regarding lot dedications the attendees were the president Gary Lear vice president Brian Lesco vice president
Ernie NES secretary Karen Mohler and Treasurer Donna Cabrera the board of bay hammock Owners Association Inc have called us special meeting pursuant to section 2 article 3 of the association bylaws and a quorum was established per
section 4 article 3 discussion with regard to Dedicated Lots used as donation lot to the Village to facilitate and award a building permit to another lot within beay hammock within the beay hammock Community the board hereby agrees that the village of
alamada is under no obligation to pay any HOA fees or assessments pursuant to the lot dedications in Bay hammock any current or future HOA fees and assessments attributable to the donated lot shall be paid by the dedicated dedicator owner of the lot that receives
the permit to the HOA this resolution is agreed and attested by majority vote and it was dated for today and Doc you signed um so as far as that issue I think it's been resolved the only other thing that I came to my attention today
was there was a concern about what HOA the HOA document ments allow for clearing in in in Bay hammock and what the code allows um The Village as most of you know has no authority to regulate
anything in anybody's HOA uh we only enforce the codes of ordinances in the village of alam marada so any discussion amongst uh this HOA about what they want to allow for clearing is is a private
matter is not a public matter for Island and I think those are the only two things I've heard come up uh and um with that I I'll be here to answer any questions if you have any thank you I have some questions May yeah let me ask Ty one question you're are you
representing the lot dedication I represent all five of the lot dedication all right that's okay okay Mark thanks Ty um you mentioned I'm trying to respond to a couple of comments you mentioned that there's a there's a Home Owners Association that has a I I think
you say Declaration of restrictions but that's what's there and it has a limit on clearing a hammock which is onethird of the lot yet we're allowing them to clear we we The Village if we approve this are going to allow them to clear 50% of the lot which is what the code
allows that's right because the code allows that and you said that and I think I got it right the village has no authority to enforce a private regulation in a homeowner which I agree with so let me let me ask you how this works cuz this is a really weird
situation the village is going to accept two lots in that subdivision and under the terms of that declaration The Village will become an owner in there and will have the private right by virtue of the def the Declaration and
acceptance of those documents to enforce those so the village will be wearing two hats it will be a government permit issuing authority and it will also be a private land owner in a or public land owner I guess in a private subdivision so that it will be allowed to enforce
those rights which would include I guess suing the homeowners for over clearing a lot that they gave a permit to clear as a government you follow me there oh I I totally follow you so how does that work well I guess we'll find out because the
village has a very straight path forward as far as what the obligations of the village are if a majority of council wants to take on a position um that would be adverse to the other members of the association then that'll be a
private matter I well I I'm not sure if I have not done a poll of all 33 lot owners in there but I do know of a couple that do not approve of this they've called me so there will be some people that object whether they file anything or not I don't have any idea
and I'm not saying they will or won't on the flip side you're getting two of the best Lots in the village well that might be true true but what I'm saying is it's not a good optic situation for the village to permit something and then
accept title to the to property in the same subdivision where they're allowing this the deed restriction to be violated what happens in the next election if all five of us get replaced and the new cast of characters decides they want to enforce that that possibility exists
doesn't it that'd be very interesting I know it would but the answer is yes isn't it I don't know if the answer is yes I've never looked into that okay well okay but you know like I said at least but wait there's more process is is pretty straightforward Mark there's
always more listen let's have some fun with this I'm not picking on you let's just have a little fun I'm I'm spitballing with you it's going to pass I I I can read the tea leaves but what I'm saying is in in the Declaration when you own a lot in there it comes with
some impertinences two of which are each lot gets a boat slip and there's use of the boat ramp so does that mean that everyone in the village by virtue of The Village's ownership of those two lots as public property now gets to use the ramp
and the slips as I understand how this is going to work is that and I think this will answer a couple of these questions you know we're we're having fun with hypotheticals but what the vill that's not hypothetical that's a fact buddy I think what the village is going to do is the Village is going to put a
conservation easement on the lots that are dedicated to the village and so that's going to be the extent I'm not sure um because you're not going to be paying the HOA fees whether or not you would be actually entitled to uh to a
ramp or to the to a boat slip but again yeah that's a hypothetical the documents say you can't sever the boat slip from the ownership of the lot so maybe they'd have to gather then there's also consideration and if you're not
going to pay the HOA fees then I don't think there's consideration in order to to have that if you're not paying for the maintenance you don't get the use that's true but that's been waved so there's no maintenance doe so there's Catch 22 I guess I'm just playing and
having fun I know what we're doing but let me I'm just saying that these are some real questions that I think it would be wise for us to consider before we leap before we look here so with this theoretical and and having this
discussion the the good part about this is that the village controls what the village wants to control if the Village Council in had some opinion from Weiss serota that they could go this way that you know it would take three of you to
decide to go after the boat ramp or try to enforce the the clearing ratios in the in the HOA but um it does it does present some interesting questions when lot dedications are in HOA property well
I'll just make I think a final comment and it's a comment you can respond or not probably won't I think it's the height of hypocrisy for the village to issue a a permit to clear 50% of a lot and then turn around and accept two lots
to allow that to happen that are restricted to one-third of clearing while accepting use of the boat slip and and the ramp for public purposes it just seems to me that we're wearing two hats on one head and and that's it's just a really bad look for us I mean I think it
reflects very poorly on us disrespecting the private property rights of all 33 owners in there not all of them agree with me there might be a few or half I don't know I didn't poll them all but it's just not a really good look we we
are on both sides of the fence here and that's a hard one to for me to swallow I've asked the count the village attorney about this uh he was puzzled as well I don't know that there is an answer so maybe this is something we want to put on the agenda for another time to resolve if I was a homeowner in
that subdivision and I found out that there was a threat that my homeowners association was going to be open to the public very similar to the folks that live on the beach on Sunset Beach I would be very concerned and I would want that to be addressed whether I'm here or not after September is is irrelevant but
somebody sooner or later is going to catch wind of that and they're they're going to want to do something about it and I just don't think it's good for us to put ourselves in a position as a village where we're causing a problem and and we're homeowners in there and we know this in advance we're putting
ourselves in legal I don't know Harm's Way but we're we're we're putting ourselves in Jeopardy of having to defend a lawsuit or be a part of one I just don't think that's good business so you know what Ty let's look at the flip side there's going to be two lots in there it's total Green Space so if
there's 50 lots that could be built or 30 Lots whatever aren't the people going to be excited that there's two lots that's going to be conservation for Affinity you you're taking the words out of my mouth I think the Optics are actually with all due respect to
Councilman Greg actually very good because we talk about preserving hammock lots and these are two of the best hammock Lots you're going to find in the village and they will be protected in perpetuity with a conservation eement and the village owns them um I have decided that I have come up with a
career for Mark when he decides to to retire Mark is going to write all the Law School exam questions for the Florida bar because these are the types of things that you get on the bar exam um in reality most of these things would
never come to fruition because it's a nobody's interest to do it it's not in the Public's interest it's not in the lot owner and the people that own homes and in this subdivisions interest but they make damn good law questions on the
bar exam and these are the types of things that make people throw up halfway through the exam which actually happened next to me um when they get these hypotheticals but it is an interesting question and it it Bears some consideration moving forward but it
doesn't change the fact that what we have here um is a good deal for everybody and it's time after multiple multiple hearings to finally put this thing to to bed and let's move on with our lives and I correct me if I'm right
or wrong and John you can correct me the village has already accepted these Lots they just haven't recorded them until we allocate the allocation right well it tentatively accepted I mean obviously it's still subject to the Village obtaining free and clear title I mean
things things between now and and there's an appeal period of anything between now and the next 30 days updated opinion of title needs to take place things like that so any approval for any lot dedication is subject to the Village actually taking you know free and clear title so uh we have tentatively approve you know approved
them to get them on the list um but there are you know some steps that that we get to that you know the sausage making steps that you guys don't necessarily see that that end up you know getting to the actual acceptance and and then issuance of a of an appr allocation all right so we still have
public common open is uh anybody else want to speak Marne are we going back to then discussion after public comment sure yes we do have a few more folks next up is George Perez okay Frank Cabrera I'm sorry um Frank
AA there's only so many boat slips in that place that's why I guess he's given these um uh Lots uh up because there's not enough boat slips to go around for
everybody um that's what I want to say I um and they're beautiful Lots wooded lots and it's up to the uh Council in
the at Bay hammock to say yes or no to 50% and everybody else has been there has built has been 50% of the property that
they can clear and nobody's ever said anything and um that's it thank you Frankie thank you any any other public comment uh yes we have Donna Cabrera and then we have
David hker on zoom and Karen mhler on Zoom did you want to yeah I just want to know the legal connected with these people good evening Council feel like I'm gonna faint and my hair was brown
tie when this started now it's gray and Mark all these concerns could have brought up been brought up all these years ago but the two lots that are being donated from what I understand they are not assigned a boat slip um I
believe I mean we have to find out the HOA took those two slips to make a larger entrance into the Basin um so I don't I don't think that that would be an issue I don't think the boat slips is an issue the HOA fees
would go on to the dedicator of the of the lot and the 50% clearing everyone in there has cleared 50% there's a architectural committee that approves what you can build in there and they they've always gone
um God bless you with the 50% clearing so I I don't even my brain is spinning on what you said with that in the lawsuit and making everyone go back but it's a beautiful little community that everyone loves um to the trees and
to live we all get along great and hopefully there's no lawsuits coming from the village to do anything crazy like that we want to donate two beautiful lots and that's it and please um push this
forward thank you who's next Marty okay next up is David hker on Zoom okay Mr helker go ahead hi everybody I presume you can hear me okay sure yes great um what we
seem to have skipped over um is a revision ision to uh the Declarations uh in 1998 there was a revision by the HOA and in that revision uh item number
18 regarding Moval of trees it says clearing of over 33 and 13% per lot is not permitted unless prior approval is given by the architectural committee which we did receive that prior approval
our site plans were submitted uh our architecturals were submitted and we do have approval from the HOA and the Architectural Review Committee to clear up to 50% so this conversation is
moot uh secondary to that the the boat slips issue is a non-issue these Lots were dedicated without boat slips because these Lots don't have boat slips assigned to them and uh that's it so there's no real
issue on the table um what I find kind of offensive is that for over three years now we've been thrown every ridiculous little roadblock in
this process when we started out we thought we were going to be rewarded for doing this for donating these lots for uh creating you know a park-like environment and a habitat for the floor
and the fauna and for reasons I still can't comprehend and it really truly does feel very very personal uh we have someone who says it's not personal seems like every meeting for three years and it sure feels like it it's it's high time for this to be
over [Music] um there really isn't an issue we keep inventing issues like the one where you put us in a penalty box for two years without anything written in any of the
documents of the village and you know here we go again just looking for reasons to put a roadblock in front of us I would uh ask very kindly of the council to move forward and do what the
employees and what the village uh has said is the right thing to do for three years now that's all I have thank you very much thank you Marne who's next okay next up is Karen Miller okay Miss Muller go ahead hello everybody thank you for uh
taking my call I am um a member of the Architectural Review Committee in Bay hammock I'm also the secretary of the um of the board I have built two homes in Bay hammock over the last 20 years both permits were issued based on
administrative relief because they'd been in the system four years or longer so I'm a proponent proponent of uh administrative relief regardless of whether your lot has a hammock in it or
not um we have always we we approve the plans as they come to us and the Architectural Review Committee um and before they even go into to the village for permitting and we we do not go against what the village
allows for clearing which is the 50% Rule and so all the newer homes in there and there's many that are have been built those documents were the HOA docs were designed I believe in the 80s before any of these rules to protect the
hammock were even in place so when you're reading the HOA docks they are they were actually created before all the rules and um legally we do not we we have not taken the stance to go against what the village allows so we have
allowed um the 50% clearing and then we pay a mitigation fee or we replant um which many of us obviously have done one or the other um so you know we we love the environment in here we love the hammock we we we honor the
hammock we plant back as many trees as our Lots will allow two for one even either that or we pay a mitigation fee to the Village or who whomever and then they use those funds for other areas I suppose but so I just wanted to clarify
that along with the fact that those two dedicated Lots do not have boat slips assigned to them um we were short boat slips due to the factors of clear coming in the the marina and and such so they
they are not being relayed with boat slips those two dedicated lots that the village will end up owning so there's no rights to the marina or boat slips um to the public or to the village in my opinion um because there's no they're
not paying HOA fees and they do not own any boat slip so I'm hoping that will put those uh those issues to rest so that's all I have to say thank you Ken Marne anybody else no sir that's it
what's that no one else okay all right so public comments now closed Council Elizabeth you had a question um thanks um you know so so this is an interesting conversation I'm looking forward to to um you know moving
this forward but um I am puzzled by a couple things one is the conversation about boat slips I know in our briefing yesterday it was made clear to me that we that two boat slips are conveyed in this and so is that true or because I've
Heard lots of people say that not and and it's a little frustrating so could you help me with that yeah I mean that that's the first that I'm hearing my my the the discussion was based upon the the condo deck which says that there were uh that there's a boat slip that's
allocated each lot um there there must have been some sort of uh official act that severed those from those two lots we'll have to get a copy of that from the um uh from the HOA as part of when we we close on everything um as move
forward but it sounds they've made the representation that there are not two boat slips um although as as council member Greg pointed out the deck does say that every lot gets a gets a vot slip so uh I'm this is the first I'm hearing we're going to have to uh analyze that and uh and determine what
the the status of those are so this evening we're we're accepting that we're I mean if we choose to to move I mean to our understanding is that yes we we're accepting these Lots with boat slips that's what we're deciding
on but there are no boat s well been represented to I I think that uh the analysis should be done that um I would recommend that if the that in analyzing it we we assume that there are not two boat slips and then if we're
able to um uh determine that there are then I think that would be a benefit for the village but this way as part of your analysis I I think I would do that way because based on the representations that are made at least that's that's what it sounds like the current status is um yeah I I had another question
which which is sort of you know on the side of this conversation so um you know I appreciate the extra work you've done here to to research this um this particular issue and and what what is
concern what concerns me is that um that well I I I should just say um you know if if we are being asked to scrutinize the um applications at this level then I'm fine with that I'm happy
to do it but I would like to have that included in our package if that's our task right if if my job is to as a councilman and if those next councilmen are if we're being asked to scrutinize again at to this level then let's have the information because I don't have it
um in front of me and I guess I could request it independently but I would hope that we're all doing the same the same research to make these decisions so I guess you know are we are we in agreement that we want to see that
information so that we can all come to the table with the same amount of information to make smart decisions and I would just say normally no that the coun that's not something The Village or the council would get into um I mean honestly if we were to get into this amount of detail uh it
could we would have to it for every application I mean every application you're going to have restrictions in a mortgage uh the mortgage might have a restriction that you know it' be used as a primary resident and residence and they might be using it as a secondary residence and then are we going to be scrutinizing it and analyzing it and
enforcing it uh you know the answer is no that's between the person and their their mortgage uh entity and the lender might foreclose on it because they're using it incorrectly um but so you know it would be um a significant undertaking I think for uh your planning department
um and for you all to to uh to analyze every application and any potential private restrictions there might be so just um thank you for giving me this time to to just explore this but is is it what I'm um am I to understand that
you are doubting the work that's coming out of our planning department and that's why you took an extra look at this is that the um I I that's kind of true but it's kind of not true I don't I don't want to I I don't have any real fault with the
planning department although I vly disagree with their conclusions what I have a fault with is that this has taken such a long time in fairness to what the owners have said and there's been some turnover where
different people have reviewed and exercised discretion in interpreting the code and that has led to some irregular results I'm going to give you one example the two lots lot six and seven that are kind of Bayfront Lots they're not on
open water but there's a very large 6 8 10 acre Mangrove area behind them where the Shor line or I should say the back property line boundary line of those properties is that area and on the plat
it shows that that's the mean high water line we have a provision in our comp plan and in our code that says there's a 50ft setback from an adjacent Wetland or Shoreline or both kind of I can't remember the exact detail but there is a
setback from a wetland or Shoreline and we did not recognize that because uh the planning department made an inspection and somehow that boundary line was wet on one side and dry on the other has migrated into the Wetland so there's dry
land on the Wet Side that makes it it not adjacent I guess I mean I think adjacent by by very definition means next door to sharing a boundary with that's what it says in our code so my position was there should have been some analysis of that Shoreline there is a
way to determine that there's State rules Federal rules Village rules I would have been more comfortable had that been done but my the response I got was it's not a problem without I mean and then Daniel did give me a good explanation he did go out I think he
said a half a dozen times in the property and look at it but I just have a fault with how that interpretation was made you know like I said once before nothing's either good or bad it's how you think about it so if they interpret it that way and the council supports
that that's the right answer otherwise it's not and I don't know that there's a different St standard at the state level and at the federal level I I I didn't look at the Water Management District regulations but I can tell you where I have property somewhere else it's a 75 5
foot setback and buffer so the manager told me that we're in compliance with that he doesn't lie so I have to take him at his word but yeah go ahead Rob can rob talk he rais I just want to clarify a little bit here because there
was a little bit of of shade cast on our planning team with respect to the analysis that they completed on these Lots I think that they have been consistent with their interpretation of whether a wetland setback is required and and made a determination in this
particular case consistent with what they've done in the past that says if that Wetland does not is actually not contiguous with the property or overlapping onto the property then the Wetland setback is not triggered and I think the dictionary definition of
adjacent does say things like continuous touching things like that it says it shares a common border which it does correct but there's well in this case staff has made a determination that it actually does not because they're saying there is space between the biological
community that constitutes a wetland and the property boundary according to Daniel and I'll let him speak in a moment I just wanted to uh provide some defense of his evaluation um was he indicated that there's mature hammock and non Wetland species of plants on the
property itself which would uh coincide with his determination that there's no Wetland on the property nor is it sharing that lot line being close to sharing the lot line is not sufficient to trigger the Wetland setback it has to actually have that shared lot line that
shared boundary Andor be on the property itself and and Daniel if I've mischaracterized or it was incomplete feel free to expand I I would just Echo what you said the I went out multiple times to verify the the Wetland line is not within the property boundaries and
the corners are pinned um you just have you have two separate issues you have the science issue which is fun for me to go out there and see where the two ecosystems Collide and see if there's any WG room and and delineate the Wetland then you have the planning issue on how the code's interpret interpreted
and applied so in this case uh both are sound the I believe the Wetland line is where I think it is and where it's been mapped on the survey and the the planning decision was made based on uh all the the prior decisions and interpretations it's consistent with everything we've done uh specifically
within that same neighborhood okay thank you well I I just my point is that the boundary the the legal boundary line to the property is not the deciding factor it's the location of the Wetland versus where the development occurs and there's supposed to be a 50 foot buffer it or in
some cases a 30 it could be it could be 30 um but I'm not going to blow that up I'm just you asked me a question and that was my answer and there was some other irregularities that I believe got resolved there is a that's a private community so the roads in there are not
public roads they are considered a private access way and on two of the Lots part of the conservation easement extended 26 ft out into that private accessway yet the condomini or the association documents require that that be cleared and kept cleared for excess
access for everyone else in there so I felt it was a conflict for us to require the property owner to plant in that area and vegetate that as part part of the conservation easement while the condominium or the association documents required that it to be cleared and it
has been cleared so the staff looked at that they uh examined how it could go forward uh the conclusion is they're not going to plant trees in the access area everything can be handled on the lot area and one of the site plans showed
access with two driveways we only allow one driveway so that has been resolved I think Daniel they're they're going to amend the conservation easement which by the way it requires the area to be kept in a natural state and you know paved
asphalt or rocky uh ride of way is not a natural state and they recognized that and they corrected that Henry did you want to say something no okay Mone yeah I do um man I respect how you talk Mark but how many rabbits
do you have in your hat I mean it's one thing after another after another I think this is ridiculous I'd like to move to give them their lot dedications and let's move on so can I make that motion you can I I still had a few things to say well I we you always have
a few things to say Mark and I respect that but it's like one thing after another after another after another I mean come on you want to cut me off that's on you well that you know what sometimes I'd like to cut you off okay
so I'll give you a second thank you so Marne we got a motion in a second would you call the role please okay vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes council member Henry Rosenthal yes council member Mark Greg no council
member Elizabeth Jolan yes and mayor buddy Pender yes the motion passes 4 to one okay I guess we can move on now to to uh mayor council Communications request for Council
direction to initiate staff review of comp plan uh and build out limit councilman Mark Greg I just have to ask tongue and cheek am I going to get cut off on this one or do I get to finish
my oh how nice yeah wait can I just can I just can we just like reset this because we we've kind of come into this meeting with a little bit of fire and I'd love to just reset it and come back with you know some gentility and civility because um this stuff is super
important and you know I got all night I like blocked my evening for this whole meeting and um well it is super important but when I start turning over rocks and finding answers to problems I get cut off so I see how the game is played and if you
don't want to hear that's not true this has been going going on for three years since you and I been on Counsel I I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty uh well informed about how it's been going on and I see how it's happened so they followed protocol man lots and they're getting
they're given two hammock I I hear you i' I'd like to you got the thank you thank that's the words the magic words I was looking for so on in this tab if you looked at it I have a document in there that probably doesn't look familiar to
you because it's not readily available it is a public document and what it is is by way of a little background whenever we pass a a comp plan Amendment or the comp plan itself we don't just do
that um based upon what we like or want it has to be supported by a data uh section data and Analysis and so when the village began the process of writing the first comprehensive plan the planning firm called less soen
Associates who's still in existence in Tampa was hired to prepare this for us not just the plan text itself but to do the background research to support that so the document that you see in the file comes from the original data and
Analysis uh that was the backup so to speak for the original comp plan which was passed in 2001 the document there though was actually written and prepared mostly in 20099 and then into 2000 itself so so it's about 25 years old and
the reason that I put it in there for you to read is uh as I guess where I'm going with this is if we're going to be going forward with a comprehensive plan and amendments and figuring out how many permits more permits we may or may not want uh I I I keep falling back on the
old adage uh in order to know where you want to go you need to know where you've been so this is where I've been and I wanted to share it with you not in any kind of adversarial way but truly in an informative way so that you can read
this and you can see if you if you can understand it and I'm going to ask for your consent to have our planning staff give a more lay person style explanation but this tells you what the original
intent of the comp plan was in the very first comp plan in 2001 and it has some limitations in there about how many houses we want to permit how many square foot feet of of commercial space we want to do we are way way way past that now
I'm not saying we're in violation I didn't say that what happened after this is that we're supposed to review this every 10 years and so we did in 2010 but it took until 2013 for us to condense that review into
a document and it was called a memorandum of understanding and it was between the village and and I believe all the other municipalities in the county and the state and at that time it was called the uh DCA Department of Community Affairs the modern name for
that same organization or agency is the uh Department of Business or what I don't even know what it is it's used to be Economic Opportunity but can you help me out John what's it called today Commerce Department of Commerce I got
close so so I think that we're on the cusp of our what would be I guess our second 10year review and memorandum of understanding which is where we're going to be going yall somebody will be going I won't be after November but um it's
background to tell you this was our first step and then you can re I didn't put it in here I'm going to start with baby bites and the the 2013 memorandum of understanding stepped up where we could take more units and issue out more because they did an analysis and they
determined that that was warranted so we're about to uh begin the long process of that next 10-year analysis to determine the next version of that so this is really just my sort of
introduction to you about where we came from but rather than have you listen to my version of it because I'm toxic I think it would be I'm asking you to have the staff process it in a very simple to understand summary in comparison to
where we're at today and to give you some perspective for example and if you're like me whenever you go and see someone in a grocery store or getting gas or on the water or whatever they ask hey are we going to get some more bass
allocations or I heard we're getting 2,000 new bass or where are they going to put all these homes so this information will be relevant to how we answer those questions and I think it would be helpful if you knew where the start was so that's all
I'm asking if if you don't want the staff to do that that's okay too I'm just I'm suggesting it might be helpful to you if you did that and and certainly the public I think would benefit from having that same background of
perspective as to how we got to this moment so what say you can I ask you a question mark sure just because I've had family members that were Paul bunan now they're Johnny apple seed they got lots of permits and now they're into
conservation is I mean there's been a lot of people here in this community have you started in the very beginning I mean you've built affordable houses and you've built a lot of houses and everything and now it's okay but but you
just here's what I'm having an issue with not an issue but I'm just saying you know we can can be Paul bunan okay and then we can become Johnny apple seed later but we took a part in the buildout you know there's there's certain people
in this community that have did built got a lot of permits and and built a lot of homes there certain I was one of those I I built six houses three of which were affordable the other three which were not affordable but were on the same footprint or same size so
practically speaking I um cleared land I cut down mahogany trees um uh I've done all sorts of things that were not environmentally friendly and I know you're involved in North Florida trust now so yeah I have I have a I'm I
operate as a consultant for a um land trust that purchases conservation land in uh the wildlife Corridor in North Florida and over the years not just recently but over the years I've I've seen things and I've kind of realized
boy I had a role in that you know the the crowding uh the the bringing people in to clog the roads clearing land um just degrading the quality of life I had a role in that and I just don't feel honest about sitting here and not
sharing my perspective because I did that and I'm not proud of it I mean I'm proud of the affordable housing I did but I'm not proud of the outcome here 40 years later so I was a Paul bunan but
now I want to be a Johnny lime tree SE whatever and apple seed and all the others but really I think that you know your F what I think is great is your family and and uh Sharon as well both native boring con you know I I think you
may have a sense of Pride that I wish I could have but I wasn't born here and that is this is your home this is where you were raised your family is here the the the natural environment here is part of how your family was able to live they
relied on things on the land and in the water uh to to carry them through and that that is a very important part of our heritage um in the homeowners document that we referred to on the beay hammock thing uh it talks about
preserving that because of the Beauty and the contribution to the well-being and the health and wealth and all that stuff it it recognizes that and I know that you your family recogniz Russell and penders and Lowe's and all
the other early families and it just would be something I don't like to say it this way but if I were in your shoes I would be fighting to keep every tree standing uh in homage to my Heritage and to those who fought and and struggled to survive
here all the years it seems like each year we keep selling out more and more and more to build more and more and more and pretty soon there won't be any more fish there is no more Coral there won't be many more trees there'll be nothing but rooftops and so the question I want
to answer is how much is too much and and again that's a matter of opinion and choice and perspective but and I think ultimately it should be a matter of community agreement which hopefully will come from something like a survey or
workshops or other things like that but I I see the degradation of quality of life here it's it's a lot more expensive it's a lot more crowded and this is me just getting old but it's a lot more rude than it ever was people are
starting to be unkind and unneighborly and um I think that's a result of being overcrowded um I I think it's hard to argue that we're not overcrowded especially if you go anywhere near the highway especially on a weekend or a
holiday it wasn't like that 10 years ago even the the state mud I mean Salt Springs man you go to the end of Salt Springs on off off the uh the St John's river man 300 boats I was just in Flagler County this week this past
weekend both matanzas Inlet on the ocean boats to boats cars parked all over on the inside on the inter Coastal it's just the whole state though where this is you know that I think that's something that the five of us have the ability to have some influence over and
others have said it it's right in front of us on the wall we have a ride of quiet enjoyment we have quality of life we're here to protect natural resources and our village character and I think that the the habitat here is part of our character I think the the number of
people that live here we've gone from being uh a bedroom community to a vacation rental community and I'm not making a judgment on whether that's good or bad but it is not enhancing my quality of life and I don't think I'm the only one that feels that way and I
like to give a voice to those who feel like me but also a seat at the table for everyone else to weigh in and make a a contribution to a group decision a village decision on what we're going to do in the next 2020 plan the 20 240 plan
so there's probably a lot more I I I'm surprised I didn't get cut off but I'm very grateful that I didn't thank you Sharon that's a joke come on I'm trying to lighten up so I hope that that would be something to start to think about um I don't think many people want to speak
up about uh buildout because it's not popular with parts of our community and I and I used to be part of that um and I understand that but you know it's kind of you know the island hasn't gotten any bigger and and I would be willing to bet it's actually gotten smaller if you are
uh if you if you see sea level rise my house the water has come up 8 to 10 in in the 25 years that I've been there so I don't believe in it I see it so it's real for me so we have less space to live more people that are here not only
living but visiting and you know you saw the folks on Sunset Beach that wasn't like that several years ago um wasn't like that when we were kids I know that so these are changes and we have to have some compromises on how we deal with those
um I just wanted to get the conversation started we're going to get into the big planning prog uh process sometime soon I keep hearing about it I'm not saying bad anything about the staff they doing the best they can with it but um just having this conversation doesn't mean we can't
start thinking about it now and seeing what perspectives uh we want to take into consideration I'm offering a longer term one you and Sharon have much better one Henry probably the best since he's our senior this to to to Bear witness to the changes that we've had some are
great some are not so let's figure out what we want to keep and what we don't that's that's what I'm saying Elizabeth and Rob you can go next after her I know you want um so what I'm hearing you request here is that you want to you
want our planning department to review this document and and use it as a tool as we move forward and as we all know we've got um a comp plan review and an ldr review coming up and I wonder if this is an opportunity which again the RFP has gone out and I wonder if there's
an opportunity here to request um request that that process be expedited like you know I'm not sure why we have there's been this 20-year Gap um in in analyzing our our comp plan and our ldrs
but that's just where we are today and I think we're all feeling the the pressure of holy crap it's yeah it's everything you just described um for sure and and this is a real opportunity so um you know if this is a tool that our planning department can use to better understand
um their own um like the the work that Jennifer has put forward in that really lovely um timeline great but also I would love to ask for the the comp plan um to uh process that we have initiated
to to be expedited I mean I know they know and I know we've talked about this Rob maybe you could speak to it I know this is usually a lengthy process but we really have we're a little bit behind like we're a little bit late on that um so I think they're yes let's have the planning department look at this and use
it as a tool but can we also ask our staff to expedite that the the award of that RFP and that work I would just the the the the byproduct of what I would like to see the staff the product I would like them to produce is a really
simple could hopefully be a one page or even two paragraph document is in light of the standards that are set out in this original data and Analysis have we exceeded that or not and if so by how
much and that will give us some sort of a long-term timeline to see did we go too far maybe we did maybe we didn't have we do we have more room to go that that there that possibility exists as well and can I just ask a question I mean I'm assuming that that information
will come out in this work that Jennifer is Jennifer and her team are are doing because we're going to be asked to have I mean we have to have that information when we are we are whoever is sitting here is asked to say how many how many um allocations do we want he's chomping
at the bit just what you just said is what he was I I don't think that Rob had Minds waiting for me to finish yeah I mean and so and I a certainly I just you know said I'm looking forward to hearing what he has to say but you know again
here we are having our little peas so yeah go ahead Rob I thank you for your patience and tolerance and allowing me to speak at the dis thank you Council councilwoman Jolene um I think everything that everyone said is accurate right uh we have to look back
to see where we're headed uh we need to use data we need to have strong public engagement we need to really look at these issues that are both of concern to the Village Council and to the community um as it stands we have a couple of different significant studies that are
underway already and I do believe that this document and what uh Councilman Greg is asking for dub tail nicely into those processes uh to illustrate uh we have the the rogo and the BS discussion we've already started on the first survey round with that uh I have an
announcement that I'll be reading as part of the manager's comments about the first workshop on that topic um I'll certainly make sure that Jennifer and her team are aware of this document contemplating how best to weave that into the rogo B pass discussion as it's
continuing to uh play out as we speak I mean our next Workshop is actually July 30th and that's the first Workshop there's another Workshop that's scheduled as well uh referencing the Gant chart that Jennifer and her team put together that's online and it has
some tentative dates as to when and how we'll work through these questions I think we are so close to being in the middle of them that it it's not entirely helpful to either of those processes to begin a third conversation that tries to kind of jumpstart those pieces of what
is otherwise going to be part of both the rogo and bass conversation and the comp plan update uh in terms of timing on the comp plan uh we do have uh the award of a contract for a particular vendor either in August or September depending on how quickly we can pull
together the team that evaluates those responses make sure that they select the right vendor we want someone that's going to pull all these pieces that everyone's talking about together have a very robust public engagement plan that allows people of diverse viewpoints and perspectives on these very critical
Community planning issues to all come to the table have their voices heard have opportunity to influence outcomes I want to get to a position where the outcome of that both of those processes include data you know the mark mentioned that the first report said there was a 10year
review I think 10 years is too far apart I think you have metrics that you apply to the ldrs and and what outcomes you're trying to achieve and you take the temperature a little bit sooner than that you know maybe every two to three years so you can see are the modifications that you make are the
goals and objectives you're setting making meaningful progress towards achieving the outcome that you really want to be at don't wait 10 years to figure out that you're not where you thought you were going to be check it more often you know you're you're sailing out on the Open Water check and make sure that you're keeping your
bearing and if you're not figure out why and make adjustments along the way during that 10-year cycle and I think um the rogo and bass discussion combined with the comp plan can really set us up for success and I don't want to you know kind of begin tearing pieces of it apart
and maybe doing less than a better job than we could do if we let them uh get get really truly vetted and discussed with many perspectives that are brought in through those formal planning processes so I'm not saying this conversation is a bad one I'm saying it's a very critical and important one and I'm very glad that Councilman Greg
brought it to the table I just think timing of it is best that we weave it in to where those public engagement efforts that are so important in getting the right answers can help really uh pull additional threads and and vet the topic thoroughly before we make a commitment
and um assign staff duties that will otherwise be handled in another venue that that is being designed I believe uh to to Really lead us down a good path okay Henry do you have anything you want to say you may
not follow me you didn't follow me when I suggested and the make the applications to 2026 I appreciate mark saying that that you voted wrong I got no support whatsoever but we're almost there I
don't want to say I told you so that's not fair but we're pretty close to what I proposed for 2026 for us to be a part of the comp plan for the staff to be a part of the comp
plan I'm not totally satisfied with that truthfully Key West had help in an outb out City Source for the same
thing and very successful I may be crossing the line to suggest that at this time was it's just something that I've thought about and everybody this table certainly qualify to have their views
the comp plan has been suggested a long time ago that outdated and has to be reviewed and I'm just not that comfortable not only with myself truthfully but with
everybody if I were in charge I would give it to an outside Source quite frankly go ahead councilman Rosenthal I just want to clarify we are hiring an outside planning firm that's an expert in this area to guide and Lead that process uh
their work will be informed by discussions both with the Village Council staff and others to make sure that they take into consideration the steps that we want them to take the the robust public engagement but it will be led by an independent third I read that as well I just want to view my comments
in reference to what you wrote in respect to that very good thank you so that's pretty much it I get to a point where I'm very uncomfortable with with a lot of things and a lot of people truthfully I'm very uncomfortable when I
see attorneys walk through the village unannounced just show up that's been going on not only I mean I've been here for almost four years years and that's been going on long
before I arrived the associations that are developed sometimes are questionable so just my observations with that I'll just say
thank you thank you Henry all right so we ready Council we okay to move on actually I I had a question um whether we could as a council request that we expedite this comp plan ldr review
process but that that's just increasing I think it was looked at a two-year period and and yeah well it's all being done as one according to what I talked about in my twoh hour briefing today uh so I think that we um we have the ability to um to
be a little more Nimble if we want that and I think that we all um bear uh the that we all are to blame when we don't acknowledge um that you know we're behind the the you know we're behind in
this process like we have to make change we have no I don't know I don't know why this is this hasn't been done prior to our sitting here but are we seriously going to just let this go on for two more years and and I mean I I don't think so good so that would require us to request of our staff to to to move
this forward in a little bit of a speedier time frame I know that puts a lot of pressure on us we're going to let Mr Cole explain that right now yeah um just real quick the timeline that was proposed by planning director debrin included completing the comp plan update
uh no later than fall of next year so we're approaching into fall of this year so it's a little over a year but not a two-year process um what I can commit to is once we um award a contract to the planning firm uh we will alert them to the need to move as quickly as we can
and to highlight some of the issues that are in our list that were of of deep concern to council and are on our our project list of separate projects to see if there's a a reasonable way to help expedite some of those specific issues as well but in answer to the question
yes what we will endeavor to work with that consultant to move as quickly as we can get the right public engagement but it's not a two-year process it's you know targeting completion not later than October of next year but um yeah we we will certainly Endeavor to do
that I I I um I um appreciate I'm just gonna never mind I'm not gonna say anything okay so we good we can we move on to uh let's move on to Village attorney Village manager Communications and vice mayor unless you had something you want to throw in there
I'm okay go ahead Mr Cole sure I do have one announcement that planning director deoy Bren asked to make on behalf of the planning department and that is that the building permit allocation system Community Workshop the first one of a couple is taking place on Tuesday July
30th at Founders Park Community Center uh at from 5:00 pm to 7M and if anyone would like more information about that workshop on July 30th that's a Tuesday 5:00 to 7:00 p.m. in this room here please contact Anita mxo and the
planning department by dialing 305 664 6498 or anita. muo that's M Mary umbrella xxray o Oliver atam mara. florida. us so please be sure to
participate in the workshop the more people that we have participating the better the outcome is going to be the other item that we have under Village attorney Village manager Communications is a staff update regarding Council Direction at the June
11th regular meeting to provide additional information related to Restoration fund expenditures including whether they are supporting the goal of no net loss of tropical hardwood hammock within the village as described in Village code section
30-65 transplantation and restoration standards and I'd like to uh invite our staff to U provide that report right you Daniel uh I'll I'll start uh yes so there the questions came up uh the landscape mitigation fund um are the
funds being used appropriately um what are they even able to be used for and are we utilizing the funds uh to their fullest extent uh so uh Pete and myself we work in this realm uh pretty uh frequently and uh the overall answer to
those questions is uh the fund is being utilized it's utilized for uh restoring habitat planting native trees um specifically in the code uh the the fund uh pays for planting trees and restoring
habitat in uh conservation areas open space and uh also restoring uh certain habitats that the trees are removed from um and the the process I won't get into the whole process um but uh the code encourages replanting within the property that the trees are being
removed from um if not then the next step is donating trees to the Village to be planted somewhere and then the last step in the process is if if none of those options are available um there's a fee that the person moving the trees will pay it goes into this mitigation fund uh to be utilized for the uh
acceptable uh purposes and um if you had any further questions about how exactly that's utilizing how much money um in the past few years we've spent towards projects um Pete has some additional data um one thing we we like to point out too is that um on top of restoring
habitat and planting native uh vegetation that fund can also be used uh to acquire conservation properties okay so Daniel can I get you or Pete one either to since 2018 how much where I know the one fund has 700 I know we
talked about it today it had like close to a million but how much money have we spent I mean I know we spent 650 just last year acquiring The Glenn property but uh Vince is going to pull up these numbers for us right now we do have it prepared yeah so the public can see for
transparency that we have been doing or the village I mean because I wasn't there in 2018 but so so yes this is what funds have come into this mitigation fund since 2018 so the past six years and then in that
third column there is the funds used for restoration and Landscaping projects you can see there what has come in is $71,500 we''ve utilized $23,400 to Lisa for helping us put these
numbers together as Daniel mentioned uh These funds can be used for land acquisition so we have spent 1.85 1.81 m851 th000 in the past six years uh
for property for conservation or properties that could be restored so as you can see the funds bring in a significant amount of money we haven't utilized the full amount in the past few years but we realize now we have not used these funds for land acquisition
but in the future we can and may be able to use them for that so this is certainly a useful fund and we want to continue using it for this reason yeah but Daniel and Peter the fact of the matter is we have if we'd have been
spending money out of that fund we'd be $800,000 we we in the hole cuz we would have grabbed the money from somewhere else which is what we did is that right Lisa okay all right so you guys impressed me today when I asked that question I said I want to know how much money we spent
since 2018 on purchasing land so but that that money I'm I'm confused by your question about we would have been in the hole because that money was was allocated toward well it was pulled out of different funds right is that what we determined today yeah Rob yeah I I think
what is trying to be described here is that um while we have money inside the restoration fund that was eligible to use for land acquisition when it came to the accounting as to where we actually pulled those funds from it did not get
charged to the land acquisition fund if it did and it could have is the point mayor making uh we had $1.8 million we spent on acquisition clearly that would have wiped out the entire restoration fund had we chose to charge it to where
it was eligible to but didn't so we've in other words been achieving some of the outcomes that that mitigation fund was designed and intended for we've simply subsidized it by pulling money from general fund and capital and wherever else uh those particular Acquisitions were funded from perhaps
unnecessarily in their entirety because we had another pool that was eligible to be charged for those I think that's the gist of it right I agree do you understand now that I didn't understand it either and that's why I asked these guys that question this morning and then we had to get Leisa
involved I'd like to ask a question for Daniel maybe Peter whatever or all Lisa all three um from your interpretation of the code is it fair to say that the overall goal of the use of that fund is to
either through land acquisition or planting trees whether in a hammock or elsewhere is the overall goal to prevent the loss of the to to cre to what is it to to satisfy the no net loss of hammock standard would that would you say that
that's accurate either for land acquisition or planting right the it it states it in that section of code that this is geared towards a no net loss of hammock so have we lost any hammock do we have any facts and figures because I know we've cleared a lot how much have
we created I don't have the exact numbers but we were working on that uh in the past can can we is it hard to figure that out I mean I ask if I ask you to figure that out what is be like that that present get a supercomputer remember that we were given that
information in a presentation last year under the last planning department and those numbers you we have those there I think you you have those numbers already the planning department does because remember and it was pretty significant like whoa we are losing hammock basically that's the point I wanted to
make so I I've had a couple of people comment well we bought all this conservation land well buying existing hammock is not uh stopping the loss of hammock we're we're keeping what we already got what I'm interested in is find have we found
any well I I'll tell what you and I talked about earlier today um you know we don't have the reason that we have so much money in the fund is that we haven't planted any we haven't restored any or very much hammock So Daniel and I had a great conversation yesterday and
today mostly where if I hadn't been cut off I wanted to share this with you that um Samurai construction donated a lot that would be a suitable candidate for restoration so what I was hoping that we
could do is have a conversation about instead of having him put that money in the fund why don't we just let him restore his own lot and he would be we would be killing two birds with one stone and it would be all within his control there is a a technical reason
why we can't do that and it is because I guess the code says the land has to be um set aside for conservation I'm not sure if it says it has to be zoned for conservation but certainly um that would have been a positive outcome I thought that would would have been able to
balance out the loss of hammock that they were going to clear and then he's donating a lot that's got hammock restoration potential it also happens to be uh next door to another lot that we already own that could be it's got hammock on it but I don't think he had a
chance to look at that one to the South did you the but I I would I would gamble that it's pretty similar to the yeah I think so just from driving by on the old road and so we also when we purchased the Glenn property um to simplify things
there are two hammock Parcels two hammock patches on that property one out by the road which is in my words pristine but there's one backed by Monty green storage facility that is degraded and that is an excellent receiver site for uh I think would you agree with me
there that that's a good place to put it as well so we actually have places to plant trees but we're not doing that and we really haven't developed we have the fund but we don't have a plan and you know the land acquisition advisory committee one of the tasks that they
have is to help us find land to spend this money on so I'm looking at how do we get to the goal of no net loss of hammock and it just seems like the number of Acres that we're losing continues to grow and we're spending
money but the goal is not being met so that was the purpose of me asking for this exercise and if you would like to continue to find out you know to get some real data so we're not just throwing darts in the dark I'd like to find out how much we've lost and that way we can set a goal and use the money
for that and when we reach it we can have a celebration but do we ever consider the trees I don't know about you but on my properties mahoganies are coming up all the time dogwoods are coming up all the time man gumbo limos are coming you just you know you just
got to stick those in the ground and well well there they that's true but a hammock is not just a bunch of trees it's an ecosystem and it takes a long time to form I'll tell you a good story you might remember that if you're driving South past the San Pedro church
but before you get to Indian waterways there used to be a billboard there on the side of the road and the billboard company had cleared the area in front of it several hundred or thousand square fet so you could see the billboard we bought the billboard we pulled it out I shouldn't say we did I think the D
bought it somebody bought it and that's now conservation land you can't even tell where the billboard was it has all come back natural so if we just found some the right properties and almost leave it alone it'll cure itself let's
face it the Glenn property all that I I said today in my briefing George Hannah own the golf station where Bryan Smith's reality is going to ven Shores all the helicopter used to land and they would take the service truck over there and fuel that helicopter and all the
pictures that my family has that's all was all clearcut every bit of that was clearcut on our street those lots that are now built on but before they got built on that was all clearcut but there was big mahoganies there was Buttonwood
there was uh cuz it was next to the Wetland but there was dog Woods Jamaican dog Woods there there was Ironwood there there was Pigeon Plum there I mean what there's there it had nature has the
remarkable ability to to come back in some cases I on a sad note I saw an article online today where the tree Cactus there's a subspecies in kilargo is now extinct there were six of them left and I guess the rising salt water under the coral killed them when I say
extinct I mean in the wild they harvested some and they're growing them in a nursery or something so they're not lost forever but um there there's not everything is savable but you know the hammocks are part of the beauty of the Village um I think that they add a
tremendous amount of value to our properties people love to plant trees it looks great you go to somebody's house with Nice Landscaping ask a real estate appraiser if that doesn't help you what you're talking about is what the state did when they bought worlds Beyond on
cound road was which old Trailer Park RV park whatever you want to call it and I don't know how many thousands of trees they were Islands you know you got an island here that had 18 native trees and then a little bit further over the same thing okay I I probably drilled 4,000
holes up there in a month well I you know I used to live in Indian waterways in Indian Harbor I have an aerial photograph from I think it's 1959 where that you could see the bay from the highway Sandy sprintt who lives in there I used to talk to him at Rotary he told
me the story about you could stand on US1 and see the bay all the way all those trees a few had been left scattered but it comes back so if we work with nature and this fund we can restore that and maintain that and then development can happen other way
somewhere else but I just don't think the village has been aggressive about um pursuing the goal of no net loss of hammock and I just wanted to call attention to it see where we're at Daniel and I talked about a number of things where the code could be improved for that that would actually allow more
development to occur in other areas so there's a way to make it work for everybody and if rather than us fighting about it during a bass allocation uh tab item so um I just wanted us to start talking about it and stop fighting about it and start doing something about it
that's that's why we're talking about it so I'm hearing you say that you want us to give direction to to come back with more information but I wonder if we can also request um a brief analysis of of what it would um what it would look like
to create a land acquisition fund and that might be something that could be funded in our upcoming budget because that by acquiring land not only do we have the opportunity for conservation but then we take properties off of this off of the um the the role for
allocations and no one is talking about taking claims and the the the re crisis that's coming up when we tell people that you can't build on your lot cuz there is no more room or there are no more allocations and that tool to create a land acquisition fund that's
funded by the community um now rather than in response to a crisis that is um that is imminent is something we should be talking about so can we give direction to again it's it's just to resurface that information remember Dan
gave a Mr gazio gave um pretty alarming presentation about net loss and that it's not something you have to recreate it's just pulling it out of a meeting that we had last year bring that information forward and are you asking
for one number I would like to know and Dan they the staff has given us some good financial data but I don't know what Horizon we're talking about but you know for the last 20 years we I think the information in our files is available how many how much money have
we collected in in those fees know how much land was cleared and how much has been restored we had positive or A negative well I know that we're in a negative I I can guarantee I know we are but so let's say that that's going to come back but what what's the what's the next step that we want to take because
okay we've got the data but can we ask for an analysis what what do a what does a land acquisition fund look like what it would cost to our taxpayers how would we build that into the budget is can we request that it could be so could it's like so easy why have why haven't you done why didn't you guys do this 10 years ago what where were you just
kidding well it was actually in the code but no action was taken it it that the the skeleton for that has been around for a long time so do are we in agreement that there is maybe even a presentation about what that means what is it what is a land acquisition what could it do for us and and how could we
Implement that and can we sell that to the community and and get byy in on the idea that we need to do this now Mr Cole I think retrieving a report that's already been completed on noet loss
would probably be within the realm of reasonable expectation to get done in the short near term so if we have a problem finding that report and we have to you know kind of resynthesize it Based on data we have I understand that data prior to the time Horizon that our
staff have looked at recently is a little bit sketchy and it may be a challenge to really synthesize that in a meaningful way so first of all I'll hope that report's there and we'll be able to just pull it right out and be done if not we'll see what we can do and come back with whatever we are able to uh
identify but I tend to agree with everyone yeah there's been no there has been n loss and I think our staff have acknowledged that in each of the conversations we've had so I would not anticipate anything coming back that says contrary to that uh that having
been said on the land acquisition fund sure we can that out during budget say what what that might look like what it implications it has in the budgetary context and how it conceivably it might operate so I think that's a reasonable
ask as well during the budget process so so the other I'm sorry I'll let you talk I I'm bad about cutting off I apologize but what Daniel and I also talked about and I talked to um Rob about this as well is identifying Parcels that we
already own that would be suitable candidates as receiver site to plant trees one of them is one of the um Machado properties the one that's got the seaw wall on it it's got a lot of hammock there but some of it's degraded and a lot of it's invasive Exotics we
may or may not want to use that one we may have other reasons for it but there we have a number of properties that are candidates for that and Rob and I discussed another source of land that you may not know about and that is uh prior to us taking over an adop ing bass
we had rogo and the county had rogo and rogo allowed for an applicant to purchase a lot anywhere in the county donate it to the county and then after we incorporated donate to the village and they would get couple points I think
so as part of that process we acquired couple dozen lots Rob something like that I don't know there's a list of them it's just long list on printout and a lot of them are not in the village contrary or corresponding to that the
county acquired a lot of lots in the village prior to incorporation that they own that I don't know that it serves their needs or interests so I'd like to explore the idea of us giving all the Lots we have on Big Pine Key and little torch that we are liable for and then
they give us the Lots in the village and if there's an imbalance one of us writes a check or does something nice for the other one and that way we get rid of a liability we control the land in our Juris addtion and we don't have to worry about something on the lower Keys you like that I have a question how do you
know that how do you know this information you know that no yeah I knew that what I'm old I'm old and I've been around a long time and I read too much that's the answer so you're looking for direction for the staff to see if that's if that's something the feasibility of
that good with that you know are you would be interested in doing that right so we're giving that direction right yes okay we'll we'll take I don't think there's a couple dozen of them I think it's far lower than that but suffice it to say to the extent that we have land
that the county is interested in there's some kind of deal we can work to acquire property within our own boundaries as Mark and I discussed that would make a lot of sense I I remember a lot of them in the lower Keys a few of them in korgo and I the rest are scattered so so then
in addition could we as a council agree to um ask one of our sta I don't know who it would on our staff to to come yeah ask Rob to bring back a presentation about what land acquisition
can do so we can have an understanding of of what a land acquisition fund could do to reduce to how how a land acquisition fund could benefit our community because that's going to take a little bit of a preparation and I would like to put that on see that next next agenda a brief overview like you're so
good at and you're not willing to do that um we first had dear budget now we're saying for the next agenda so I want to make sure that we're queuing up a budget discussion so I have time to flesh this out um and it changed between where we started and and what you just said so I want to just pause for a
moment yeah so what I'm looking for is a a brief overview from someone who knows this which someone in our staff I know understands it to bring back that information so that we understand what that fund can do as we move into the budget season that that's what I would
like and and you know what if our staff can't do it I could prepare that myself and put it on the agenda and talk about that I just it's so it's so basic and we haven't discussed it as so that I think that our Council can understand the benefit of
that do do we that's a that's a question can we ask for that are you willing to ask for that we just did I've gotten resistance and I'm asking if we can ask for that on the next agenda for a very brief overview of what a land acquisition fund could do there there
was no resistance by the way I'm asking for is clarification on the expectation because we had a a a what sounded like a pretty complete conversation queued up for the budget and it morphed to a different thing so the pause was let me clarify what's being expected for the
upcoming agenda right and so I'm asking for it in the near future like the next next agenda for example we had a request of our of our staff to over in one month prepare prep something for the Sunset Beach Community he did it beautifully
and so this is similar it's this is a pretty basic issue but I would like some some more information about it to be presented at our next meeting are we can we ask that are you willing to agree there there consensus here I'll support you hey thanks great yes there's three
okay can we move on from this tab then Rob are we good I believe we are yes all right I think we're moving on to uh the consent agenda that's correct uh we're in the consent portion of the agenda these items are routine nature and council members have reviewed these items in advance and
sought the advice of Staff as they felt necessary there'll be one vote on the consent items which today are items tabs three four and five if anyone would like to pull an item from consent he or she should state so now okay can we open public comment
Marne please I don't have anyone signed up let me check on Zoom see if there is anyone there nobody there are no um no one signed up all right no public comment is now closed Council any anything all
right do I hear a motion I move to approve second all right Marne we got a motion and second call the roll please council member Elizabeth Jolan yes council member Mark Greg yes council
member Henry Ros th yes vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes and mayor buddy Pender yes motion passes 5 to Z okay we're on to tab six sorry uh is a resolution of the Village Council of Al Village of Island Florida accepting and approving a quick
claim deed from David C botol individually as trustee for the lesle E tassel trust for the acquisition of certain real property providing for conflict uh conflicts and for an effective date okay Peter sure thank you so this is just a
resolution accepting a land donation this parcel it's a single parcel it's on lower mumbi key it runs parallel to the iroy Drive Canal so it's in between US1 and iroy Drive Canal it's nearly all Mangrove uh it's long and narrow it's 6
acres and about 1340 ft long so The Village's interest in this is was is for a canal restoration project we're looking to install a Culver pipe through this property as part of a our Canal restoration work involving the culverts on lower mumbi key we have no other
interest in it other than that we began discussions with this gentleman David botell he's the executive of the Leslie tassel estate owners of the property we were looking for an easement on the property for the Culver pipe he suggested a land donation so we are
looking to accept that uh John and his staff uh created a quick claim deed for us we have executed that it's been recorded in the county the property hasn't transferred ownership yet though so we're just looking for acceptance of this and we also like to acknowledge
David botel a super nice man he worked with us very closely he was a big help we had some legal struggles getting this done so thank you David and and if that name may be familiar Leslie tassel that's the owner so Leslie was David is Leslie's grandson so this
is the last Leslie tassel Holdings in the village he was obviously a philan IST and um own the Safari Lounge I believe so thank you to David and his family for this donation and staff is he put a lot of money in the hospital too I think some of the statutes up there came
from him there's a guy in in uh Palm Coast that makes all these things and he donated them so it was really cool so uh Marne is there any public comment on this tab no sir okay public comments closed then and uh do I do we have any conversation
or do I hear a motion on this to accept it I'll move for approval I'll second all right Marty we have a motion in second you call the role please council member Henry Rosenthal yes vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes council member Mark Greg yes council
member Elizabeth Jolan yes and mayor buddy Pender yes that motion passes 5 to zero all right the tab one tab one yes tab one was the thing the presentation that Peter did on the beach Sunset Drive I know but aren't we
voting on that or anything no we're no no he was just it was just a he was giv us a presentation okay yep no action yeah no action no no okay so we're on Tab seven tab seven is a resolution of the Village Council of alam Village of violence Florida determined the proposed
millage rate for fiscal year 2024 to 2025 establishing the current year roll back rate and the date time and place for the first and second budget hearings as required by state law directing the finance director and Village manager to properly file the certification of taxable value via rrim directing Village
clerk to transmit this resolution to the Monroe County property appraiser pursuant to the requirements of Florida Statutes and the rules and regulations of the Department of Revenue of the State of Florida and providing for an effective date Lisa good evening um so so you should
have the information in your agenda packets for the uh proposed millage rate for fiscal year 2425 uh what we are proposing uh to briefly give you that uh we are proposing a millage rate of three
3% and uh this has been that rate has been kind of in in the past few years has been used uh and all this is going to do it's not going to establish what the millage is and what we're going to charge it's just giving us a ceiling or a maximum rate
that we can charge we can't go above that so what we're doing is you know kind of keeping it the same that it has been for quite a while um the only other time we've really gone up and above that was when we I think during Hurricane Irma so maybe to have some reserves back
in there but other than that um 3% is is what we're recommending and also we have to determine the two dates so first of all I'll just go ahead and put that out there for the 3% if there's any discussion or questions on
that Marty is there any public comment on this tab yes van Caden head van the overall ADV valorum taxable value of alam Mara last year was 5.7 billion with
the B dollars for these four Islands this year it's 6.4 billion with a be that's an exponential growth now uh I realize that 3% is the maximum that we're allowed to
charge if we set that tonight I would urge for 2.65 which is the roll back rate and maybe 2.75 and figure figure out the budget for that I would you know I'll be there
at the budget workshops with bells on budget Workshop one and two so I hope that you all uh consider taking it a little easier on the taxpayers this year uh we've had this this exponential growth this is a rich town and uh I
think we can get by with 2.65 or 2.75 somewhere in that vicinity because you know I understand you know we want to have uh a upper limit of three to to work with but uh consider the taxpayers when you do this because as you know
everything's going up insurance is going up groceries are going up gas is going up you name it so try to you know have a Little Love in Your Heart thank you Mar anybody else yes Mr wishm on Zoom hold on just a
moment okay Mr wishare go ahead yes Joe wishme Plantation key you know I understand that you know you want to keep raising and raising the taxes but the fact is the property values keep going up and you keep getting more and
more money coming in so if you have more taxable property value I don't understand why our taxes have to keep going up as well the more money that you have to bring in I would think it would at least keep it the same if not lower
our taxes so please please keep us in mind thank you I would just like to make a comment on if I could on some of the increasing costs we have to the Village just to um you know talk about raising taxes um we
do have the F FRS retirements rates uh raised by the employer they're increasing um we are also losing a grant this year that we had the safer Grant if y'all are familiar with that um we had hired six firefighters and we are losing
that this year this safer Grant it was only for good for three years so we're going to be taking on $600,000 a year for those firefighters if we choose to keep those uh we also have uh our Property and Casualty rates have gone up
about 20% our general liability workers comp uh all of those different insurances that we are required to carry have all gone up at least 10% so those are some of the reasons and some of the things to think about when we do set that maximum because we do want to you
know cover our cost as well because you know the economy is bad for everybody inflation is bad I understand that but that doesn't exclude us from the rising cost of everything especially insurance so just wanted to put that out there sure Marty is there anybody else on for
public comment no okay public comment is now closed Council any uh discussion here Henry go ahead with the property values increasing the millage rate right now is because I made it that
2795 I believe I know 2.79 I think is 992 92 that's correct 992 okay I can't I can't read my writing I want to take a lower I want to go down to the bottom of
the barrel the council wouldn't let me so we settled for this with the increase in the property value there's an 18% increase right
there why would we go back to raising the millage back to three and I fought like held the Del last year and you still take more money and the budget last year was $2
million in excess two millions um it's fair to suggest that we're we're in great shape if you just leave it alone I prefer to go down a point lower I think
the public is entitled to that why are we always raising money we're raising money to spend that's all the hell it's good good for I've seen it time and time again so I'm very much opposed to
raising a millage 730 million increase on the property tax that we do it 18% be satisfied with that be thankful for that that's my position and I'm going to keep
it come budget time whatever it takes if I can if I can support 2.65 I'll certainly be there I tried it last time I didn't I didn't get the support I needed what it need be I hope I get the support I needed this year thank you
okay but Henry you understand this is just a cap that's what this is now this is not setting the rate at three Ms correct well are you sure sure about that yes that's correct that's what she was at she just asking she establishing the ceiling the maximum that we can
charge we cannot go above that rate but we can go lower go down we can go lower P that you sent me yes in addition to the because I did not read it through I have to tell you that the the final budget uh the final millage rate will be set at the budget hearings in September
yes okay yep so we have our opportunity then to bring them down that's correct anybody else all right so uh speak may I please okay well you like better go quick man because I'm ready to
roll so this might be a little gut check for you but sorry for my Lifesaver um so yes this is we're setting a cap and in the past we've done well with keeping it at
three and I think there was an unspoken feeling maybe thought amongst us that we were going to try to drive that down as far as we can as Henry was suggesting and I share that I do but what we don't have is enough information to know if
that cap is going to be enough so I heard a couple things mentioned that you know van spoke about everything's going up and everybody's increasing their their their cost of living is going up because it's out of control that's happening with us too sure Absolut and
and I love the the comment you know we we've gone up $700 million I don't have my notes with me I must have left them at home but I think if we if we kept it at three three Ms that'd be an extra $3 million that we could spend um if we
kept it that way um but we SP spent money we're going to be buying the church so we're going to be taking money from the S wherever that fund source is um we have hurricane season coming up and I don't know what our buffer is for that are reserve and 8 million uh well I
don't know we we I think we took a little took that down a little bit but you may be right I'm not questioning it I just don't know so uh we might want to I would join with your proposal uh Elizabeth to spike a uh land acquisition
fund get that get get that one going get some yeast in there so it can grow and we heard that there's going to be a $600,000 um grant that we're going to lose and there may be some other things that we want or
need so I'm going to check your gut here I'd like to go to 3.2 or 3 32 whatever the however that works out Mills not that I want to spend that absolutely I don't but I don't want to give us a ceiling that we may need to go under or
go over without having we don't have all the information we need to know how much we got to spend I don't think it's going to be that high I don't even think it's going to be 33 but I don't know so gut check I I would go for
3.2 I'm good with three man so I have a question sorry um can I go ahead so um I'm assuming that the letter that's sent out with this is very clear explanation of I mean it's there's no ambiguity that in some very plain language there's an
understanding that this is simply for um um just a a working number right yes exactly yeah I mean I don't have a problem with that I mean I don't think that I don't think anyone misunderstands what's happening here and and this is just a a formality it's a requirement that we have to I mean no one is
promising anything I agree like no one wants to I I mean we I'll pay taxes I don't want to raise taxes either but I have no idea I mean I'm hearing $600,000 extra from this fire department thing I I'm not clear what that is so I don't think like there's no harm in saying
yeah let's give ourselves some leeway to see what the expenses are cushion yeah I mean it I'm fine with it I and I don't even know if 3.2 makes a difference goad you know what I mean Elizabeth when she finishes yeah I thought you were
finished sorry I am done I I just wanted to say that each tenth on the mill get you about 630,000 so at 3.2 you're adding about another 1.2 and that would go into the mix in terms of you know potential land acquisition fund uh taking a look at the health of our
unrestricted fund balance and our hurricane reserves the last time I checked those which was probably at least would you say a couple weeks back when we pulled those numbers we had about 7 7.5 on the hurricane reserves and a little over five on unrestricted fund balance our Target for unrestricted
fund balance is has historically been around 3.2 those numbers do not include charges for the church I don't believe no they do not so the church still comes off of not entirely off of unrestricted fund bounce if I recall and I'd have to go back to the resolution but I think
1.5 came out of unrestricted and then the rest of it came from another source not the Hurricane fund not unrestricted but suffice it to say um both of those numbers at least at this juncture when we were considering whether three was the right number or not sounded okay um
we know that we want to potentially consider acquisition of a public works site um now uh chances are if we you know if we if we wanted to fund that cash up front uh then maybe we do need a little bit more money uh if we were going to go into some financing
mechanism that stretches it out over a longer period of time maybe we don't need you know additional funding so to both councilwoman Jolin and councilman Greg's viewpoints uh if you went with 3.2 that gives you a little bit more wiggle room to allow you to hear some of
the factual basis for these decisions you'll be making but you're not obligated to be that high it could be we're down at 2.75 or 2 uh I don't recall 2.65 or whatever it was that you wanted to hit um but somewhere between there right between what we post as the
maximum and what uh people might think is the ideal is probably where we end up but it it will be fleshed out through a series of conversations so that's that's what I wanted to add Vice rone you have anything okay all right so uh we all
through that we can uh somebody make a motion here for for the three is there an appetite for 3.2 let's not fool around yeah I want 32 she wants 32 you guys do that no I don't I I'll go I think it's GNA freak
too many people out it it might I know it's just a number I know I know it doesn't do any harm Henry you okay with three absolutely not three absolutely not okay right but I mean just for the cap the ceiling Mark's saying 3.2 Mark
and Elizabeth but I'm still in your support to lower that well when we get to budget season budet yeah but right now we're just saying three is the highest all right so whatever you do I hear a motion for three point I mean
three Mills I'll make a motion1 oh no can we I did I hear a motion I was I was trying to more cut me off um through I I make a motion for three all right do I hear a
second Henry read this is just a ceiling where are you going to be when I want to lower you going to be there I'm going be there you promise you're going to be there be there not works but we don't even the thing is we don't actually know what numbers we're looking
I fought for this two last year get out of here okay so Marne we have a motion in a second would you call the roll please for three Mills right Lisa we're good yes also correct the resolution also sets the the date the date I'll do that after she you want to do that
separate okay okay okay vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes council member Henry Rosenthal it also uh uh it also sets the bottom number as to how low we can go no no no
just the high only a ceiling not a yeah just the ceiling but there's not a situation where we could go by ordinance and we could go so so low I mean could I go little four I'm
going could you go up to four down to four we're only at three now I know that but it doesn't set the low number it just sets the high number y so you can go down below without having to resend out the trim notices okay yeah we could
go to zero okay so Henry marne's asking you Mar's asking you yes okay okay council member Mark Greg no for now council member Elizabeth jolen yes and mayor buddy Pender yes can I
change to yes I just wanted to test the water can I do that yeah the vote hasn't been announced yet so it doesn't belong to the de so you you can change your vote yet I'm yes motion passes 5 to
zero okay so we are on the tab eight unless we want to have a break or no we have a we have part B of this one oh that's right I forgot about so the other thing we need to establish is um the the date time and location for the
first and the second uh public budget hearings so what we've set we've got two dates for each of those and then you can choose from one of those dates the first for the first uh tenative would be either Thursday September 5th at 5:30 or
Friday September 6th so you have those two dates to choose from then the final uh budget hearing will be either Monday September 16th or Tuesday September 17th so tonight you do need to decide on which of those dates you want to for the
first and for the second that's okay the second one is Monday September 16th or Tuesday September 17th and the reason we have to pick those dates we can't have them on the same dates as other uh you know the school board can I and the county when
is our council meeting in September is it at the 10th and the 12th the 10th and the 12th okay okay we couldn't have those meetings um earlier in the week of that September 1st oh that's Labor Day yeah it's Labor Day we so the third or the fourth we couldn't do it Tuesday or Wednesday well
those dates are taken I believe already by the either the county or the school board we can't use the same dates they use so we're kind of limited in what we can use and the set dates so the 5ifth or the 6th of
September or and 16th or 17th 17th well okay if we I I mean if those if that's it is that is that a well then can I can I suggest September 5th please rather than the 6th okay well is it either is it two in a row or one a week saying one
a week either the fifth or the sixth right fifth or the sixth yes okay so the fifth yeah I would prefer that if anyone Henry you okay with the fifth Mark you okay with the fifth so also remember these were really long and painful and we're starting at 5:30 so is
that right what you said 5:30 long and painful okay so it is the fifth we're picking but do we want to try to make def find long and painful long and painful how many I don't remember do you remember how long it was I do but I don't remember how long it was it out all right so Lisa now we got to pick one on the 16th or 17th one of those two
days just just to go back do we want to start those a little bit earlier start at 4:30 4:30 we used to have them midafternoon yeah they weren't they in the afternoon I remember that but I'm and we were done like at 7 or something right they were about 4 hours depending on we want to go
at 3:30 why don't we do yeah 3:30 I had ruined my life I don't have one okay 3:30 Henry you okay with that Mark you okay with that all right let's go for it 3:30 on September the 5th right 3:30 for you to do 3:30 I think I need to check
let me double check to be sure um go ahead and put that down but let me double check to be sure that there's not a Time it might have to be after 5:30 I'm not positive on that I need to do some research on it all right let you know okay all right so now we're on to the
16th or the 17th 16th is a Monday if you want to do heavy numbers after a long weekend you do the 17 I'm kidding I don't care but I I prefer Tuesday but I'll do whatever the the group says is fine Tuesday the 17th okay what time we
going to try to do 3:30 just say that until she tells us no yeah 3:30 okay I I I actually have a suggestion as to how we can do the the motion for that when we when we get to the time all right okay please through the so what I would
suggest is um it would be a motion to approve the resolution uh with the time modified to be 3:30 instead of 5:30 unless there is a uh statutory restriction um then with direction to put it on um at the earliest possible
time after 3:30 if there's statory restriction okay um that way we don't have to come back and get approval for okay so can we uh we already had yeah we already had public comment on that okay I just it was a two- phaser okay do we need to
approve for the so we need a motion to approve mov all right Henry we got we got a motion it's a motion to approve the resolution with the modification of the time to start at 3:30 unless there's a statutory requirement that it start later and then the direction is is to
have it started early as possible second all right we got a motion a second Mary call the rooll please council member Henry Rosenthal yes vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes council member Mark Greg yes council member Elizabeth Jolan yes and mayor
buddy Pender yes motion passes 5 to zero do a break what's that you want you wanted a break you want a break for couple minutes what is five minutes six minutes 8 10 minutes
whatever long whatever who wants a break do we want a break or we want to keep going well I just have to okay all right let's all right so we're going to take a break okay so the budget workshops they don't the date of those doesn't need to be
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please I got cookies here too you get a all right we're going to call this meeting back to order and did I hear Henry Mr Quick can you go ahead yeah there was um something Council member Rosenthal wanted to bring up with
regard to uh the presentation on Tab one related to the uh uh potential vessel exclusion Zone on Sunset Beach Drive area yes I would like to bring it up I think we
should direct the staff to propose an ordinance that supports the community and doing away with with the problems with the boats and noise and everything else Peter Peter want to elaborate what
I just said sure So I I gave the presentation I pointed out I gave recommendations uh considerations most importantly things that the council should think about before making a decision uh hopefully you listen to
those the next step if the council decides would be to direct staff to look into creating an ordinance to establish a new vessel exclusion zone so that would be the next step next Council step I did highly suggest that
public input would be appropriate as I think there's as I hopefully I showed there's a lot of considerations and items that maybe all the residents of the area the residents of the village don't know uh what would occur if we established a new vessel exclusion Zone there's there's also other interest you
know the fishing guides they may have a problem with uh excluding them from that area it's a popular spot for tarpon fishing that's right on the tarpon migration Lane um more buoys in that area um so just things like that you know and that's just the beginning of it
so can we do this can we make maybe have uh some type of um I don't know uh Community input or survey me and my survey surveys or something to get maybe some input from the community also
you're right that is a very good area for tarp and they're also Bone Fish so um uh maybe the next step would be just to start doing some more investigation before we jump into saying okay we're going to do this let's see what the Fe
feasibil never mind feasibility boy that was hard feasibility is to get something like this done in the steps we would take so I think that might be a a better way to approach it than you know saying okay we're going to do it until we know I don't really care how you approach it
I just didn't want to I agree let pass over this I agree with you 100% it look like we're just going to pass over yeah I well I don't know if that was a miscommunication but yeah I agree so maybe the next step would be I don't know if we could do a workshop where the
community could come and have input and because we did see there was one gentleman tonight that is totally against it and I don't know if he's the only one or not but I I do have a lot of friends who live on that street and it has it wasn't like that 10 years ago this is the way of the world though now
now so you know we have to approach it that this is not going to be the only area there's going to be other areas so that would be my suggestion Henry that's that's you understand M yes I do and that's why I add it on a little bit you understand that I understand I understand that you understand good deal
understand Mark Peter I wanted to ask I remember one of the slides that you had there recommend I I thought you said that there were five agencies that we would have to work with and then you recommended that we have a preap with them to kind of get a feel for the difficulty level of what we were trying
to do so would it make sense to do that kind of on the front end I mean we could certainly start working on ordinance but before I think we might want to have that information at hand and design the ordinance with those concerns or restrictions or requirements in mind so
what would you say would be a practical or pragmatic first step to see if we can actually do this or if we can what are the challenges involved sure so just based on last time and I wasn't here when the initial discussions on this
began that and that goes back six years but from what I understood having the ordinance in place was kind of imperative to begin the permitting process uh we may be able to be to begin with some pre-application
meetings but usually you have to have an idea of what you're proposing something on the books do they need uh engineering or does that that that would require engineering yes so we need an ordinance and then we need we have to do an RFP for an engineer and a marine survey and
no we don't have to do that because we have engineers and environmental scientists on our on our library how about that so we have very good Consultants that could help with this and we may be able to start a pre-application process without having an ordinance I just don't know how far
we get but we could start what if we ask you and I'm asking the council what if we ask Peter and the staff to come back back with a game plan or a proposal as to what would be the most I mean how far could we go for the least amount of time and money and get a feel for that and
then talk about around the edge you know workshops surveys whatever public input that we need uh could happen too something like that I I just think you got to take in consideration those the the fishermen there the guides that are
there are a lot of tarp from Peter now you say that man I I've seen them all my life there going through there and and and seot Beach is a big area for Bonefish has been for years
so how but I'm sure the agencies will take that into consideration again this is Peter's specialty that he'll know this the best way to do what Mark wants Henry wants what I suggested in some type of order so we're dumping it in his lap Peter
will you take the lead and absolutely okay absolutely and I think if when you if I recall Robert Moser during public comment indicated that they had or were in the process of gathering a survey too so we'll have that information hopefully and plus the
turtles are huge huge concern huge concern and so that needs to be brought into the equation as well so with that I'll just say thank you thank you and we're moving on we're moving on to tab eight how about that Peter or John Tab 8
is a resolution of the Village Council of alar Village of violence Florida resending resolution number 24533 and approving the final rankings and recommendations of the RFP 24-8 evaluation committee for selection of a contractor for the plantation tropical preserve project authorizing Village manager and Village attorney to
negotiate an agreement for the requested Services authorizing Village manager to execute the agreement authorizing Village manager to expend budgeted funds and providing an effective date Peter okay so Council you heard this item during your May regular Village council meeting you did adopt a resolution which
approved the recommendation of the evaluation committee that met reviewed the two proposals we had uh we did recommend CBT construction for this project you did approve them uh we act we in fact did adopt a resolution authorizing the manager to enter into
agreement with CBT however a motion was made to begin negotiations with CBT in the hopes that we could reduce costs there were questions about the cost of this project and then also to investigate the potential of using a tiki hut uh in in exchange or as an
alternative to the Gazebo that we had designed which was a metal roof um so we did begin negotiations with CBT they were um very Cooperative very helpful um they were able to reduce their costs quite significantly we did I did get an
estimate from Tiki Hut the tiki hut corporation on the cost of a a similar siiz Tiki Hut I discussed this with Charles Daniels the estimator at CBT and Chris trentine and Chris indicated that they could reduce the cost of this
project if they use this Tiki Hut he thought by about 101,000 to $15,000 reduction in the cost of the project so I discussed that with fire chief Terry AEL I discussed that with AJ Angel who oversees the management of the property
and neither of them thought that the tiki out option was a good idea AJ for maintenance reasons repair and maintenance reasons of the thatch roof Terry because of the the fire preventative measures that need to be taken on those thatch roof tikis every
two years I believe and just and just potential for fire as well so staff you made a motion to for staff to bring that back their recommendation we are not recommending the use of a tiki hut we don't feel like the cost reduction of 10 to
$15,000 is worth it in this case so given the discussions we had with CBT they were able to reduce their cost significantly we we selected a different water fountain there was concerns about that a much more standard water fountain 20 only $2,500 it'll it'll meet our
needs there uh we reduced our costs in other ways as well CBT essentially reduced their cost by about $23,000 we're now looking at a cost proposal from them for $19,000 for the entirety of the project
as we discussed we did remove the pnic tables and garbage cans as well because Public Works thought we might be able to do that for cheaper as well um so $109,000 does does put us within the right at the budget we had for this
years ago for this project which was $110,000 so one other point I'd like to make is that the creation or construction of a gazebo or having a gazebo on this property this is the last component of the management plan that we
have with the state that was completed in conjunction with the state it's the last last box we have to check for this property and we're in full compliance so it's actually the requirement to have a gazebo on this property um and finally the budget for this you know we don't
have grant funding the TDC won't fund this there's really no Grant funds to do this the finance department for years has identified the Parks and Recreation impact fee as an absolutely appropriate source for it's exactly what that impact fee is intended for we have almost $1.3
million in that fee right now with no real identified projects um so this is completely appropriate funding for this project and staff is recommending again uh the approval of a of a new resolution authorizing the manager to enter into an
agreement with CBT okay at a not to exceed value of $109,000 okay I'd like to say that it's extremely impressive and sort of really nice to know that when you know everybody had
their concerns about the cost that you took the lead and went ahead and saw how to re reduce it got a cheaper water fountain I know that's something Henry didn't like was a water fountain and the fact that you put the effort out to me is just phenomenal kudos to you for
doing that so I say yes hey I'll move for approval let's see if we got any public comment go ahead any public comment Marne yes fan I also would like to give kudos for the the price reduction and uh I was one of the ones
that liked the tiki hut but that's just me I just like seol and mikasuki but but here's my problem now this is the this is the photograph to illustrate what this is going to look like in this gigundous uh concrete walk on I'm
wondering about how that's a large portion of the cost and if you look at the borders in your in your printouts in the borders of this uh horseshoe shaped walk there's a drop off on both sides of like 8 to 10 Ines I mean that's what
this the picture shows I'm not saying that's going to be in the final uh analysis if that's going to be the final end of the project but that's dangerous I mean you don't want a wheelchair going off of that you don't want kids falling off off of that you don't want somebody
taking a bad step and and uh giving us a lawsuit for Mr Quick to uh collect more billable hours on so you know let's let's try to reduce the liability possibilities and and also reduce the cost further because pouring concrete
and pouring a walk that's this involved is is a lot of cake and we could do just as well I'm sure with a mulch walk or or a gravel walk or a sand path or something like that come in Berlin hello Tokyo and and
so that's that's what I have to say and and uh congratulations on the the Gazebo project and let's let's get it cheaper anybody any other public comment Marne no sir that's it okay public
comment is now close councel any further Communications or do I hear a motion yes okay I'll move it all right Henry how about a second all right Martin you got a motion and second call the rooll please counc member Henry Rosenthal yes vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes council
member Mark Greg yes council member Elizabeth Jolan and mayor buddy Pender yes motion passes 5 to zero okay tab nine tab nine is a resolution of the Village Council of alam Village of Island Florida approving reimbursement purchase from the Monroe County Board of
County Commissioners for the purchase of a law enforcement Patrol boat for local law enforcement use by the Monroe County Sheriff's Office providing for a waiver of competitive bidding of authorizing Village manager to expend budgeted funds and providing an effective date Rob thank you mayor um back in February
uh we had issued a a request for proposals to replace the sheriff's vote when those proposals came in ultimately all of them were rejected and Council and the interim manager at the time directed staff to work with the County Sheriff's Office to have them solicit
bids and uh try to see if they can get a better price or a better boat that's exactly what Derek and his team have done we've got a great boat comes in at a a very attractive price and uh Derek would you like to uh add any additional information to that if you uh recall
this was to replace the 20 2005 angler 26-footer almost 20 years old it's uh currently has three set of this third set of motors on it um and they are are sitting at just over 3,000 hours um excuse me so they're pretty much due for
another set of Motors um so uh you know the as a patrol vessel it's a 20-year old vessel it's a it's it's about time to replace it it's pretty much used uh reached its uh useful life for um you
know and with the record of 20 years per vessel I guess I you hope that's pretty good um and a contender did give us a pretty good vessel uh uh a good price for for a brand new TurnKey vessel so I had to I can answer any questions if you have any yes Nelson gonna let that bow
go yeah well I also I also brought brought Nelson because he's he's been here since the uh vessel was purchased so he's uh he pretty much knows the vessel in and out so if there's any questions for him as well so but he it may keep him longer
so oh man Council any questions for Derek or Nelson or leet or anybody all right okay Derek thank you thank you okay Marne we have any public comment for the sheriff's boat yes van Kad I'm here to urge you to buy it
because we've had a discussion tonight about uh another uh swim Zone that needs to be patrolled and I'm hoping that uh councilwoman Mahoney who's casting for cats can get one of her uh many uh
beneficiaries to donate a couple of rods and reels for the deputies so that they can troll on patrol thank you all right council do I hear a motion I move to approve Henry second all right Henry second Marney call the
rooll please council member Elizabeth Jolan yes council member Henry Rosenthal yes council member Mark Greg yes vice mayor Mahoney yes and mayor buddy Pender yes and motion passes 5 to zero all right
Hallelujah Bill's got a nice Contender now all right Tab 10 we already did John yes we're on to 11 okay so we're going on to tab 11 yep that's a uh resolution of the Village Council of is Village of violence Florida piggybacking the Florida sheriff's Association Florida
Association of counties and Florida Fire Chiefs Association Automotive contract number FSA 223-f 7 17.0 fire rescue vehicles boats and equipment and approving the purchase of a 2025 freight liner M2 AEV type 1
ambulance remount from emergency tactical rescue vehicles for the village fire rescue Department authorizing Village manager to expend necessary to execute necessary documents authorized Village manager to expend funds and providing for an effective date Chief good evening mayor council this this is
the sister part to the letter of intent discussion we had at the May 7th meeting if you recall during the May 7th meeting we had a discussion item to put in for a letter of intent so that we could get fire rescue into the build process for
the state bid process of their allocations through Freightliner typically that happens in the January through March 1 three months of the year um and then I would budget as I typically do for the following year to get stuff uh in the budget and then pay
for for whatever reason we did not get in the build for next January through March but the people we are procuring the the chassis from were able to get a chassis as early as August so that being said they'll get the chassis in August
and we'll take delivery of the the remount uh come September so that being said I don't have a chance to budget it for this year so I'm coming at you before the end or before the budget cycle to ask for this um so the concept is we're going to take one of our out of
service we currently have one of our front lines and our our Reserve truck that's out of service due to the cost of the mechanical repairs needed it's not feasible to make those repairs um it's upwards of $1,000 to try to fix the two neither one of them are worth more than
probably five grand one is actually going to scrap uh so they're going to take the existing rescues flatbed it to Orlando what they'll do is they'll take the ambulance body box off the back they'll recondition that so they'll they'll strip it down bead blast it paint it put new lights put on new
components in The Doors door seals new for mic a new flooring all that good stuff and then when the new chassis comes in they'll back the new chassis under the old box that's been refurbed drop it down and then a few weeks later we'll have a a refurbished truck on a
2025 chassis so that's the plan um it does save us about $200,000 by doing a remount instead of procuring it brand new and it saves us about a year and a half in build time uh we are also hoping to take delivery sometime later this month for the last
rescue we ordered and that was in the fall of 22 so that's our build time is almost two years for a rescue this way we're getting it in about 5 months which is record time so this is the sister part to the letter of intent we're
buying it under State bid pricing so we're saving significant amount we're doing a remount saving significant money and I just need approval of the resolution if it's the will of the council Council anybody have any questions for Terry no okay thank you Terry Marne we have any public comment
no all right with that being said public comment is closed do I hear a motion yes to approve I'll second it all right okay all right uh Marney we you call the roll please got a motion in a second okayy council member Henry Rosenthal yes
because you brought me a sandwich that's all it takes I'll get lots of sandwiches he knew how to bur you up vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes council member Mark Greg yes council member Elizabeth Jolan yes and mayor buddy
Pender yes that motion passes 5 to zero thank you you're welcome okay John we're on the tab 12 tab 12 is an ordinance on first reading uh this is an ordinance of isamar Village violence Florida establishing a temporary moratorium within the village
on the acceptance of new administrative relief applications providing for exemptions providing for procedures for vested rights and judicial review providing for a term providing for severability providing for conflicts providing for the transmittal of this ordinance to the State Department of Commerce and providing for an effective date upon the approval of this ordinance
by the State Department of Commerce um This was um as you all might recall I think it was in the May meeting uh there was direction that was given to staff to uh bring back a moratorium on the acceptance of new administrative relief applications due to the fact that we
have uh 23 available administrative relief um uh permits um and a large number of uh uh applicants in the bass pool who could potentially be uh eligible uh to seek administrative
relief and when when you compare that with the timeline that that um it's going to take for the analysis of um the bass system that that uh um uh direction is given to the to staff to undertake
that puts us in um to the I believe it was I believe the timeline that the planning director uh presented was uh was put something into there was a um Community Workshop in October um and that there was going to be a final uh
report presented to Council in January of 2025 so this ordinance if it were adopted would create a six-month moratorium um so that the reality is the moratorium wouldn't be effective it's not effective until uh Department of Commerce approves
it so after two readings uh we we this would take us to the April meeting for a second reading if if it's approved on first so the earliest any approval would come from Commerce would really be end of August more likely beginning of September so that puts the moratorium in
the February March range um in terms of timing there's also built into the moratorium the ability for the Council to extend it um like we did with the uh uh the new market rate uh bass applications um due to the the analysis
that was required to be undertaken took a little bit longer time to uh to uh to get there we're still in the process obviously so that's built in that flexibility is built in for the the council as well to potentially extend it out uh to the extent we need to
depending on the the timeline uh for this analysis okay okay so John help me understand so you're talking about people that are going to come up are we we're not talking about people that have already that have already filled applications out correct this is just
for new applications so anybody uh if there's anyone who uh submitted applications for administrative relief before the effective date if this passes um then they would not be subject to the moratorium this is moratorium is just on uh new applications how about the ones
that we came like I'm I'm remembering Jim and Holly Smith that are in Flamingo hammock administrative relief they've already been four years and S months or eight months now were they the ones that were here pen uh at the May meeting the I think those were the same ones they
came before that has not their their uh application has not been acted upon yet by the the council it was uh it was deferred to a future date this would not impact them they've already filled out a uh they've already applied for admin tra of relief so it would not impact them as
long as they kept their application in if they were to withdraw it then you know that changes things but it wouldn't impact their current application for administrative relief okay all right okay so so people that have already filled their application out just so
people understand because I got a lot of phone calls about this today from people about you know this particular first reading we're doing that you know if if their application is up let's say a month from now is this
going to affect them uh no because we have to have a second reading a second reading and and then there's a a period to go before that Commerce would need to review and approve so if somebody's eligible next month uh and they filled it out then yeah they would get in
before the effective date so so it wouldn't apply to them okay all right assuming they complied with all the requirements of the code when Council any other questions for for John on this no okay Marne we have any public comment
on this yes van Caden head evening again I'm always for moratoriums and and I was for the market rate and I'm for this one uh it's it's uh predicated on the fact that we have
23 administrative reliefs left and unless I'm mistaken there's 60 some odd people in the queue so uh I see between now and the time that it gets back from Florida commerce that we're going to have a flurry of
applications so uh you know just be advised to that but I would urge you to vote for this tonight uh in your first reading and and I would urge you to vote for it uh in your second reading also I think it's a good idea keep us from digging ourselves in a hole any deeper
than we already are because 2 three available administrative reliefs versus 60 some odd people that want them we need to do this thank you very much Mar anybody else yes we have two
callers on Zoom okay Mr wishme go ahead yes Joe wishm Plantation key I'm all in favor of this I believe that we should have had a moratorium much sooner than this until we get our comprehensive plan and everything straightened out we know
exactly what we're dealing with I feel the only thing that should be exempt is the workforce housing I believe that there is a real call for Workforce housing and I believe there's a lot of difference between that and even affordable housing so I'm all in favor
of any moratorium you come up and I would hope that you would continue to expand it thank you thank you Martin anybody else yes Excuse me yes Karen Mohler go ahead Miss Muller hello again I am not in favor of
a moratorium these people um you know applied for a bass permit allocation four four years ago they're all coming up now and I personally have built two
homes um and I only got those permits because of administrative relief and and I feel like these people did everything they were supposed to do applied the way they were supposed to do paid all the fines and fees and everything um they've
been sitting some of them are coming up for four years and they're hoping to therefore get administrative relief which was was was promised to them when they applied for that permit and so suddenly now to stop it because there are no more other market rate permits
available and then you're going to have to rewrite the ordinance I'm not even sure what you need to do to suddenly take the 23 that are banked in administrative relief and use them some other way it doesn't seem fair to me to those people that have done everything
that they were supposed to do according to the guidelines that was in place that they should be granted that administrative relief whether they're on a scarify lot a hammock lot or whatever they've done everything they were supposed to do based on the current rules and for you to suddenly say oh
we're going to put a halt on that and kind of we we look at it I don't think that that's fair to them uh the people that are have been in that system for four years or longer and so I am in favor of not having a moratorium I feel like those people have done what they
were supposed to do based on the code that was in place and I think that they should be given their permit in four years or longer so thank you thank you Mar anybody else nope that's it okay public comment is now closed Council any questions
no questions seeing none do I hear a motion uh move for approval second go ahead I did yeah all right so Marney I hear a motion in a second would you call the role please council member Mark Reich yes council member Elizabeth
jolen yes council member Henry Rosenthal yes vice mayor Sharon Mahoney no and mayor buddy Pender no okay that motion passes through two all right we're on the tab 13 y tab 13 is also an ordinance on first reading
uh it's an ordinance of Isam Mar Village violence Florida amending Chapter 30 Land Development regulations article uh Five schedule of District use and development standards division 6 Landscaping standards section 30816 of the village code providing for severability providing for inclusion in
the code providing for the transmittal of this ordinance to the State Department of Commerce and providing for an effective date upon the approval of this ordinance by the State Department of Commerce uh Daniel that is me um this one's uh pretty short and sweet so on the February 13th uh 2024 Village
council meeting staff was directed to amend the code to uh eliminate the requirement of a District boundary buffer from the residential property when it's required when it abuts a commercial property um so there was a uh
the most efficent way to accomplish that I added a single line to the landscape code uh that line of code reads where a District boundary runs along a residential and commercial property the residential property shall not be required to install a district buffer yard um this item uh was presented LPA
at the June 10th meeting and the LPA voted in favor as written um by a 5-2 vote so as this item was a direct request from Council staff recommends approval thank you NE any any uh questions for Daniel okay all right uh Marne we have
any public comment for this van Cadenhead my goodness and Caden head I'm against eliminating buffer yards I'm I'm against uh uh when I was on the LPA we fought for buffer for buffers along the boundaries and uh when you do something
this is going to have unforeseen consequences for the future because it's it's going to allow if there was a 15t buffer required of the residential side uh there's still going to be one on the other side on the commercial side required but uh if you eliminate the
residential side then you're going to essentially give the whoever the developer the architect the landowner whoever it is an extra 15 or 20 feet all the way around his property and I I think we should try to
restrict the the uh siid of the buildings and restrict the sides of the of the um um construction that we allow and if you do this if you eliminate these residential buffers along the the
boundaries you're going to expand the area by a lot of square feet that people can build in so I would urge you not to do it and uh that's what I think about it Mary any uh other public comment nope
it all right public comment is now closed Council discussion this this must have been something I I don't remember given direction to do it because I'm against it so I maybe I was outvoted on it but I'm against it I think we need to leave
it the way it is so I'll have to agree with you Sharon well thank you thank you mayor this this was brought up as a result of a hearing that we had where um the council and in particular me
questioned why we were requiring a residential owner to put in a buffer next to to protect himself from the commercial property next door and in my experience at least that was the long-standing policy of the council and the staff is to not do that the idea was
the commercial side was supposed to protect uh the residential party over the fence by buffering on the commercial side and the burden was not supposed to be on the residential property and that's how we'd been doing it um in my
view so that's how we got where we're at yeah I I don't know why I don't know why I I too am fuzzy on that whatever I'm I'm not really in favor of this but anyway we can do that in the vote I guess
when you want to say anything no no okay well I I just would mention just to refresh your recollection a an application for a variance came before us where a party was required to
put the residential buffer in uh the the conclusion of that was it wasn't required and there the the we should we shouldn't be doing that because that's not the policy and the um variant was not necessary and I think
we gave him a refund and I don't remember the vote but I think we all voted in favor of it maybe maybe Elizabeth you didn't but um that's how we got we we said let's we we we dismissed the necessity of a variance and that's and then we instructed the
council to or the staff to come back with something and I love the the the distance that we have to sort of think more about that because for all you know all our conversation about conservation and trees it's like why why would we do that and why would we Grant a variance I mean and it means that we can build to
the if it means if we aren't asking for that kind of buffer does it mean that we can build bigger houses I mean nobody wants that in we may want it shortterm but longterm yeah so I mean let's just anyway can I move to deny if if whenever we're done do I hear a motion to deny or
a motion to approve what yeah me I would move to deny I don't want to Short Change anybody's time for conversation but second to deny all right so we have a motion in a second Marty would you call the RO and this is a motion to deny John we cor y okay all right okay
council member Elizabeth Jolan yes vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes council member Mark Greg no council member Henry Rosenthal yes and mayor buddy Pender yes motion passes four to one all right tab 14 tab 14 is the last
of the ordinances it's an ordinance on second reading uh this is an ordinance of Isam Mar Village of violence Florida amending Chapter 30 Land Development regulations Article 2 rules of construction and definitions section 30-32 of the village code relating to fronting providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code and
providing for an effective date uh as you all recall may recall this this deals with um creating a confirming a definition of fronting in the uh Village code um the council approved uh the approved this on first
reading with direction to for staff to uh also include a uh a diagram uh which has been included in the uh the ordinance um as presented um and so it's being brought back for uh for second reading uh for the council's uh
consideration and potential approval Marne we have any public com comment on this uh yes van hayen head one more time I sincerely hope you uh
deny this uh uh thing that we're we've had this discussion so many times and it's so obvious that that the fronting for the ability to build affordable housing on
us one is where the root of this whole thing came from and uh it it's to me uh if it's not fronting on US1 then it's not eligible to have that uh affordable housing uh in for the permit so I think
it's important that we recognize what fronting means but I think we all should uh you know I'm glad they put the diagram in there because if it's not fronting then it does not deserve the the affordable housing consideration so that's all I have to
say and I hope this is the last time I have to say it so please uh vote for this uh and establish what fronting really means thank you much all right U Marty any other public comment no sir okay public comment is now closed
Council any I'm not voting because this may affect my property so I I filed the conflict form like last time so I'm out okay all right so uh do I hear a motion uh on this so John last time we we passed it
right that correct yes yeah with the with the U Amendment and direction to include the um the diagram which is in in here now okay so I'm Mo to approve okay second all right uh Marney would you call the role please we have a
motion in a second council member Elizabeth Jolan yes vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes council member Henry Rosenthal and the motion is to approve the like the old it's the highway the
front edge okay the old roads Old Road what we did before you're right second reading yeah yes okay and mayor buddy Pender yes motion passes four to zero okay so we are on to
15 Yep this is a motion to consider the appointment of Matt Bellinger to the Nearshore water uh regulation citizen advisory committee all right Marty we have any public comment no we don't um Pete actually asked me if I would um take
this for him since the uh following um item is mine as well so we have received um uh application from Matt Bellinger who used to be on the Nearshore water uh committee and he um would like to be reinstated um Pete said he had always
you know been a good Committee Member so um we are asking the um if you would like to UMO Mr Bellinger there is an opening he just spoke at the governor's thing in Marathon a couple weeks ago I move to approve okay I'll second it all
right Marne we have a a motion and a second unless there's any other conversation go ahead and call the role okay council member Elizabeth Jolan yes vice mayor Sharon Mahoney yes council member Mark Greg yes council member
Henry Rosenthal yes and mayor buddy Pender yes okay the motion passes 5 to zero okay so we are on the tab 16 yep that's a motion to consider appointment of Gerald oathy to the historic preservation
commission and again we um received Mr O Cathy's uh res application to be appointed to the historical preservation commission and we do have an opening there so um if you would so approve okay uh Marty we have any public comment for
this we do not okay public comment is now closed do I hear a motion I move to approve hear a second yes second Marne we have a motion a second call the rooll please okay uh vice mayor Sharon Mahoney
yes council member Elizabeth Jolan yes council member Mark Greg yes council member Henry Rosenthal I'm not sure yes please and mayor buddy Pender yes okay that motion passes 5 to zero okay now
Rob do we were did we say something something said about after action or something yes something was said we did uh promised councilman Rosenthal to talk about the library potential library and the Phils and I'm prepared to do that uh
right now uh with respect to the island Christian Church site and the potential for a library um we're anticipating closing on the church property in August uh once we've closed there will be an agreement with the church to continue their operations in that building for a
period of up to one year following closing uh during that period um assuming that the council is still desirous of exploring the opportunity for a Monroe Public Library at that site uh staff can with Council Direction
begin to initiate a conversation with the county to uh flesh out what that process might look like and what the timeline might look like if on the other hand Council believes we should be uh taking a different tact with that property and exploring other options
staff are open to that direction as well but uh again in in procuring or in in purchasing that property the potential for a library was first and foremost as a potential use following our acquisition next subject um with respect
to to the fills uh on the fills uh I put into the most recent weekly update that uh we're moving forward with notifying the uh Department of Environmental Protection that we will not be renewing our sublease with them for the former boat laun site that we presently have uh
blocked from public access and um one of the reasons for that is is we hope to see the DP take over uh operation and maintenance of that area themselves in our conversations with them uh they are insistent that Public Access be restored
they don't want to have commercial boats there private fishing boats they they really are looking at a much smaller launch site for things like kayak and maybe a you know a van with a stack of kayaks coming up there and launching several people at once as part of some
kayak tour yeah canoes and kayaks not motorboats let's put it that way they're not going to restore that former concrete launch that is no longer really there in the in the area is being eroded as part of that conversation um we said one they have to properly manage and
oversee it having seen the history of what's happened along the pills and two from a Transportation safety perspective they need to to limit um how Vehicles enter and exit that area as you know there's a a turn lane as you head south
on US1 and our original plan including our permit request to fot was to abandon that turn and eliminate all access to what is now the I'll call it the former boat launch but perhaps to be in the future a kayak launch what F do and D
are saying and and we tended to agree is that if DP since it's their property and they feel they have a public mission to keep Public Access at that spot and they're and they're firm in that regard then let's make it safe that turn lane would allow cars to get into that area
in much the same way that fishermen do down at the channel 2 bridge where they go in a turn lane they go down a little bottleneck Corridor they get to the parking lot they park down there and then when they exit they have to come back up the two lane narrow part to get to where that turn lane is again and
head back out on the US1 so F do and D would work together to facilitate that kind of design which provides much greater control for how Vehicles enter and access the site and makes it safer for when they return uh out onto US1
safer exiting US1 safer coming back to US1 they'd have gates to control access during hours or times that they don't want people in there and again they would restrict it to kayx and canoes uh not motorboats that would uh use like a regular boat launch that you might see
at you know Founders Park or the other couple that we have around the community um on the bookend side of the bridge they would have a similar kayak and uh canoe access point similarly configured so that traffic can safely exit US1 and re-enter with both of those sites
managed by uh d uh the village would no longer be providing resources and overtime uh to to staff those locations and make sure that people are properly using them combination of F and D would assure safe and safe access and
properly managed recreational activities can I ask will once our our lease runs out in September did you say or did I say that of 2025 I thought it was more immediate all right so um once we're out of there did
they express any interest in securing the property from you know whatever stuff we don't like or they don't like is it is it just going to we left kind of open without any barriers to entry do we know well those barriers are ours
know we take them at at TH at this point we're not removing the barriers those obstructions are going to remain unless and until uh D andf do come up with their safe access plan for that site and how D wants to manage it the reason we're about a year out ahead is our last
meetings or a couple of meetings with fot and d uh yielded an interest on their part in knowing far enough in ahead of time that we were not going to renew so they said hey you know if you guys are not going to renew the the subas and continue to manage with
appropriate Public Access by their definition these locations then let us know far enough ahead so that we can plan to redesign access uh we can plan to have our kayak launch do whatever they have to do to construct this area that they want to have to provide for
safe kayak and canoe access and provide the access uh barriers that they want whether their Gates or or what have you uh because they would not only have that you know coming off of US1 in theory but they would also restrict their kayak and canoe launch uh such that Vehicles can't
go in there with trailers but they would park and carry their canoes over there so they'd have to design it and they'd have to have time to do that and that's why we're about a year out a a year out on the contract renewal in providing them notice that we're not going to renew so did we vote or give staff
direction that we wanted to do that I don't remember it but maybe we did oh I think that individually we've had a series of conversations and I've sent email Communications to council indicating we were heading in this direction to and I have not received feedback saying don't do that and to the
contrary the feedback that I have received has been yes that's what we should be doing I I wasn't have I don't have a problem with it I just don't remember voting on it but sounds okay well we didn't vote on it but I know he talked to me personally in his office one day he called me in there to talk to
me about it so is also is this this this um letting the lease lapse is because the direction that we did vote on was to close the fills didn't we decided that and then and then D was saying you're not allowed to do that right right and in the
context of providing updates on closing the fills which was I think one of the updates I had provided was look we're still waiting on permits from fot and we're going to continue with closing the fills and then this issue with uh with the D came up to where they're saying
look you guys can't close our boat access our access point we own that and you guys are sublease and you're obligated under your subas to to do this yeah I I we we had a problem if we don't if we can't control and D is going to
tell us what to do what's the point I mean d saying you have no choice this is what you're going to do but hey sign the lease again with us you know basically and it's not to me it's not what I wanted but if we can't have total say
who wants partial say you know the resolution this resolution is is a year out I mean it's but it doesn't there there's no resolution because non-renewal is simply not renewing it's like right so so if Council wants to
consider retaining uh the sub agreement we can bring that back uh for Renewal and tell D say hey wait a second uh we actually do want to maintain control and manage this site for you according to your specification they want us to do yeah it's their specification
stipulation we have no say in other words we have to open that ramp back up we have to give it public access now to me have to manage it to me it's going to be the same nightmare all over again and it is this you're not going to be able to control the day Trippers from not
coming on there so if we open it a little bit it's going to be open a lot and if we're not responsible let them see how they handle it I mean you just can't this is an either all or nothing it's an all or nothing really at the fills we just have to ask the sheriff to
keep his helicopter happy so he can come back tell him how to fix it it's All or Nothing Henry we don't have that choice you know I personally didn't want to open anything I just wanted to make it like a nice bike route and you know take a picture and move on but it's never
going to be that way people are going to come down they're going to spend the day there they're going to trash the place mean good luck controlling it we've already seen what happens so I don't see where we have a choice but the the the D is is controlling that the the public
access the ramp but we still are managing F the excuse me f doot is is dealing with the ramp but we are still managing I am am I right in saying who manages the the other parts of it we do yes we maintain we have a we have a interlocal agreement with fot to
maintain the right of way Al Ong the fills that is not going away we're continuing to work with fot and D because actually D would like to see some of those stranded parking spaces remain for Public Access because they're concerned that fishermen and others will
not have access up and down the fields we've highlighted for them and and and with f dot saying look these spaces that we've closed need to be closed because they're not safe access uh so therefore we should be continuing to move down the
path of getting our permits for restoration of those areas back to Natural landscaping and precluding parking in that area and we've received a sympathetic response from fot and our permits are still pending to do exactly that so we're maintaining that relationship with fot but where that
where that turn lane comes off of US1 starting right about where the turn lane comes off of the off of the pavement of the highway DP owns from about that point all the way up to the bridge the except for right along the edge of the US one
right away and that's F dot so DP maintains full control on of that whole area it was suble to us and we kind of did what we felt was necessary based on these highly undesirable and dangerous conditions that were present um but they
are insisting that no if you want to continue with the subas you must reopen this location you must provide opportunity for kayakers and canoers and and maintain and manage that site because that's what you signed up for
and we're just saying we can't afford to continue to station people there all weekend long on overtime to supervise that area uh if you want Public Access there for canoes and kayaks and that is critical to your mission then you should fund it with your personnel to be there
just like we were and make it safe for people because if you don't we already know it will not be safe for people because of how they've behaved in the past and go into his eyes wide open and we will hold you accountable for making sure it's safe just like we were accountable for it while under uh the
the D Subways so one last quick question it's going to be like channel two Henry the North and channel two and the South and you know how they put that long driveway and then you have parking so we have permits that are pending to for the for the part that we
are in charge of to restore like get rid of parking and put trees in there so that we can get rid of the cones like that's H that's underway we're waiting for that the trees are a whole another question because fot has clear zones along highways that they have to maintain so we're talking with them
about how best to deal with that maybe there's lower bushes that are Breakaway if a car hits them rather than trees uh we've talked with them about uh the kinds of like kind of uh wood peers that are Breakaway with ropes in between for the fenes so we're talking about what
kinds of options they would accept in their right of way that would help to not only only deter parking but also kind of serve as a visual barrier between the between the bike ped Trail and the roadway itself uh ultimately it would be great if fot and D would
somehow collaborate to make that whole Trail a little bit more userfriendly and accessible to to Sharon's point because you know you would have a continuous point of access if they made it to where people could actually use it safely yeah another issue is is they're they're
waiting before they go landscape that they're waiting for fot to put the new pipe in through there before they go They're not going to spend millions of dollars and then have we're not uh and then they tear it up so that that's like
two or three years I don't have a timeline for you I thought that we would probably have our permit for minimally removal of the pavement and putting back grass irrespective of the rest of the conversation about trees bushes or fencing um sooner than we have but I
think this conversation with d is slowing that down just a little bit uh I have another meeting with f do and D in August at which point I presume we'll get a little bit more clarity surrounding what fdot's position is and how we can navigate this um but you know
highest level goal keep the parking spaces along the fills uh closed restore them back to Natural Landscaping at the access points that D wants for kayaks and uh canoes um it's your land obviously you're going to
do what you want with it but do it safe make sure that people can get on and off US1 safely and supervise it so that it doesn't get out of control because you know if you have that location and you're desirous of it being accessible to people with kayaks and canoes because they have no other way to get to lagum
nidi and and Indian key um then you're going to have to supervise it because otherwise those spaces for your kayakers and canoers are going to be taken by people who are not kayaking and canoeing and there will be no room for them anyway so we've made that point to them and they seem to have you know been receptive to it and are interested in
doing the right thing that is safe access and controlled monitoring but they're going to have to make a staffing commitment to make that happen and fot is going to continue I believe and and they've shown every sign that they would be continue to be partners in making
sure that the the fills remains safe and uh not the problem that it has been historically so I think we we got a good partner in fot and and D we share some common interests we all like Public Access you know to the water being able to get out there and enjoy the the
absolutely wonderful amenities we have but it has to be done right okay I think we got some public comment Henry that go ahead wants to speak van come on we've been dealing with the p the Phils since 19 freaking
887 I hear this proposal and I have have to uh go along with it because it has denied uh Public Access of public property from uh kayaks and canoes for
lignum body and Indian key and uh I wish that D would take it over I wish they would there's only one small part of it that they own and this is a subase it has nothing to do with our fdot lease for the for the entire Phils that would
stay in place but this would just uh allow them to build a small kayak and canoe uh uh thing which they would manage and man you know that's got to be in the agreement that's got to be part of the memorandum of understanding before we
give up our lease but we have we have been in violation of that lease uh as as Mr Cole pointed out because we've closed it off to the public and that was part of the stipulation of the lease when the D gave it to us that we would not do
that so uh if they want to take over the the management of it and the the the expense of building that uh canoe launch then I think you know we should give that consideration uh a lot of people
you know the public has has had a lot of input on this for the last 30 some years so I think it might be really nice if we were to allow them to speak because there's going to be some against it some are going to be for it the and but it's
it's not for motorboats it's not for for Backcountry guides It's Not For Tourists it's not for googans from Miami with jet skis this is for a certain number of controlled uh access kayaks and canoes
so I I think it Bears consideration anyway thank you very much all right man thank you all right anything else Henry you got anything else to say other than a motion to I guess do I guess I do okay
way back when I had a special call meeting and it was unanimous to do do away with the parking it was in my mind to to give excess for 30 minutes for people to come
and take pictures and do whatever they wanted to do but that was not the case on a special call meeting 5 no parking period now what we're talking about is access to the water at the the Bayside by by
the bridge by inside of lium Vy for the bay and I think Rob just said if you go over the bridge to the next Island they want to put one on the ocean side for people to kayak to Indian key and canoe to Indian key well that's okay I guess
I'm not too concerned about that but I was was concerned about the fills as I most people relate to the fills be on the Bayside so what the question is is to let the state
control the access to the lium body and etctc right but we still retain all the F dot stuff everything else pertaining to the fills in relations to the parking access to the
public Etc is that correct or was it along the fills where those spaces are away from the bridge that whole Bridge area where the boat launch was at that's all D but once you get outside of that area where the where the right turn lane is if you get north of the right turn
lane then that's all F Dot and that's where we continue to maintain oversight and control including our continuing effort to close all those spaces permanently and restore them back to Landscaping and then explore trees and what Happ problem that I foresee
is the state owns from not the center line but from the line of the pavement on the road and they own 36 ft what is left after 36
feet the trail as far as us the trail you say the trail is there well I I I spoke before you said the rest of your sentence when you say as far as us what we have with fat is an intergovernmental agreement to maintain their right of-way area so once you get
outside of that and and the trail I believe is actually D's uh uh okay area I'm not let me let me double check I'm not positive yeah instead of me saying that's fine but I believe that state owns 36 ft from the
pavement that would drive on 36 ft what is left I don't know what it is what what what are we what are we getting at with the quite what what am I trying to answer here apart from the distance I I think there's a clear there's also a clear Zone that they have to maintain
I'm saying that's 36 ft and and so are you asking me to confirm that it's 36 ft or or what exactly happens after the 3 believe it is 36t I stand corrected but I believe it's 36t on
both on each side I guess I'm only dealing with the Bayside side okay is it a parking question wonder if what we can do a parking question yes okay if they own that 36 ft and we we have no control over that M people are going to park
there but so that gets to I think what councilwoman Jolin was saying is if we take out the parking spaces that are within that right of way you're talking about within the clear Zone currently and we turn them back to Grass um fot is not desirous of allowing people to park
within their clear Zone they don't want people to park there um we're we're working on removing those so then what would be the physical barrier to them doing it put the grass there what's that who's going to put the grass the village is our plan is we have permits pending
with fot now to physically remove the pavement and put the ground grass back in so that would eliminate even the appearance of a parking area that in and of itself would not stop a car from pulling off into the grass and trying to park there um but uh they could get in
theory a summons for being parking along US1 or or we might be putting in bushes at some point that would deter people from driving in there was proposed obviously before your time right and I can see that but there's 30 6 ft and you're
suggesting that we're going to put grass there to prevent anybody parking it's what I'm saying is it's on state owned property be before I arrived what was authorized by Council and directed by
Council was to abandon those parking spaces and and then to revert them to Landscaping so that those parking spaces no longer exist we voted on no parking on the fils period so we did not vote on the property that the
state owns the easement of 36 ft we did not vote on that that's that's where the parking is it's in that zone and we're eliminating it pursuant to council Direction and and then just putting landscape back in there had a proposal
of putting up barrier fencing etc etc I'd like to make a comment can I make a comment just real quick what I'm sensing from Rob is that this is the first time we've had someone actually um acting and and really moving forward
with these departments in a very meaningful way and I would I would just love to um allow him to continue that because it's clear to me that he understands the direction that we were that we that we want want to go in he totally gets it and it sounds like within the parameters of what these
departments are requiring of him he's on it and I I am like thrilled we should be Beyond thrilled like this guy seems to be working on the project I'd love to say carry on you know give us the updates as they come this isn't going to happen overnight but I it sounds like he's he's got it with and I'm not sure
if it's helpful he's been building a relationship he's got an ongoing you know um the last time I spoke excuse me the last time I spoke to the do all that was required was a survey and what we wanted to do that's
what they expected from we got to extend Henry I a motion to extend for five minutes yes all right you you don't have to stay I know I'm just kid but Henry can I just say it's not it it's Rob's job it's his
job he should be managing all those departments and and I would love to to just let him do that and and and step back because he clearly is capable and and who's who's going to pay for the grass we are right yes who's
going to maintain the grass we are that's the agreement we have with f. whether the whether those parking spaces or not we still maintain the grass yes they pay us 66,000 correct yes I'll conclude I okay we we'll see what
happens okay yeah and I will say that D's discussions with fot have slowed things down a little bit and that's why we we probably don't have our permit yet but we're working with them as a group I got to say since you took this over I mean you came and I mean at least uh FD
told you that we're in violation we're not doing what we're supposed to be doing and you've had an ongoing relationship you and AJ have had some meetings with fot I think you know we've made more Headway in the last few months than then we've made a long yeah a long
time well the the do did not make that declaration to me or anybody else prior your showing up so you got it okay do I have a motion toour no we don't no we don't I still have one
more item okay and this is a very important it you got four minutes in I got four minutes well I'm going to fudge on that a little bit my first problem was and I brought it up the last
time is the church property and I'm going to talk about it you and I guess the council and yourself are involved the two of you to NE negotiate a
deal I didn't see any negotiation I've been negotiating contracts since I was 16 years old I know how to negotiate a contract you went and just signed an
approval for the purchase the plan was to buy that property and propose a library do we need a library I don't believe so I've taken the
time to look at the library we have now you know how much it's used in a year in a week I'll tell you if I can read it 11,000 roughly
11,000 people go in that library in a year you look at it today it's 40 some people a day there are 2100 people take books out of there in a year
that's the library we have right now today 2100 that's like 40 a week I made effort to visit the library and talk to some people I talked to the librarian I have a memo from Michael
Nelson who is in charge of that library and I guess the other libraries and we're going to spend $4 million for something that we don't have a need for
we just don't have a need can I interrupt you Henry for a second absolutely first of allend another five minutes first of all it's not set in stone it's going to be a library that was came out of my mouth and no one said yeah Shar we're going to build a library
secondly it was looked at as a purchase for the village where it is a limited commodity whether it's historical building whether we use it for Community Center whether we use it for uh Adult Film Center I don't know but I'm just
saying that nothing was decided 100% it was just looked at as a good purchase so and again your outlook on the library I've talked to a lot of people too is totally different than people I've talked to so you're equating what you feel is necessary to what other people
might not so this to me is a a subject that should be had a later date with the Community when we do take possession of the building and decide what would the community like to see this become that's all because there would have been another CVS there yeah okay but what are
you going to buy if you don't have a plan for the use you do we do have a plan for you there's several ways Community Center it could be a library it could be um someplace where a community center we don't have a place where multiple uh groups can go and meet
we don't even have enough room here sometimes times even though by the end of the night you see the same three faces here but we don't it was bought because it was a smart purchase and I do stand by that whether it's historical or not no one says it has to be a library
but you have to admit it might be a path that the majority of the people in this town may want to go down but you're B you're buying the ground for four $4 million yes yes building the decision has been made so there's no real question unless you're asking to bring
back the vote but I don't I think we're beyond that and I appreciate I just don't want to spend $4 million and I don't know what what I'm going to do with it I respect that truly I do but it's been done we don't have it like it's it's already been decided so of the conversation is moot well first of all
if somebody's going to spend $4 million I think we the five of us should have a lot to say about that we we you all voted on it this group you don't know what you're going to do with it spend $4 million but I would argue that we're going to do that in the future
when we acquire other land to take it out of service I mean that's okay it and and also you guys voted on it I happen to not vote on it because of a conflict of interest but it was done it's done there's no there's no more conversation it's already been done so already been done I mean I I appreciate you're
expressing the fact that you think it's a bad idea but that's this happens all the time on this I just don't need a staff member to negotiate $4 million that's all I'm saying that's sort of what his job is though I mean it is it is his job I
don't I I don't know what your skills are I know what my skills are to negotiate a deal especially for 4 million Miss councilman Rosenthal I think there's somewhat of a misunderstanding here at the same time uh the negotiating room that Village
staff was given in contacting the church was Zero uh they had an offer on the table of 3995 staff apprised councel of that and advised that either we're going 3995 or the church was going to go
potentially with uh the uh willing purchaser that they had in what I know I know so so but I'm what I'm saying is you're criticizing the attorney and myself for not having negotiated but what I'm saying in rebuttal to that is
that we laid all those card on the table for Council and we're given direction to nonetheless proceed which is not a failure on our part to negotiate as much as it is what did you negotiate I'm not saying we did I'm saying we got a a firm because we
advised Council that they had a firm asking price that they didn't want to budge on we could have received direction from Council that said go back and do your best and we're not going to pay 3995 but that isn't the conversation that happened the conversation was yes
go back and enter into a a contract for 3995 so so so I understand you're pointing at us for that having taken place but we apprise Council of that condition and we're directed to proceed without negotiating further so so that
was a council decision not a staff decision you haven't had any discussion with CVS I take it you don't they dealt with the realtor huh they dealt with the realtor the dealt with the realtor I I will tell you that a representative from a major chain reached out and expressed
interest in acquiring the uh the island silver and spice site because they were unable to acquire the church and they actually asked if we would sell them that same property back for that price so so the the fact that a major chain
was potentially interested in that site seems to me to be very much validated by the fact that they reached out to us after we bought it and wanted to see if we can find exactly find another spot at Island uh CH at Island silver and spice but also when we acquired Island silver
and spice it specifically says it can never be a drugstore chain so that option is not available to them either even if we wanted to uh you know consider it because we'd have to modify the condition that was placed on it when we bought it so so there is a a little
bit of a loop behind the scenes that that not everyone was aware of until now but that that piece of it is there I guess my next question is if CVS is interested in that property are we talking about the local
CVS building Marty we extend five minutes please exchange for that location no that is just asking a question no I did not enter into negotiations with CBS because I have no direction from Council to do that and in
fact I have quite the contrary I have wouldn't it be interesting if CVS bought the church moved their operation for where it is now and that building becomes available and not at 4 million wouldn't that be interesting if
that happened I have no direction from Council to engage I'm just talking well I I'm not going to comment on a hypothetical that I don't know what CVS is going to say about that I just
million and we're faced with all kinds of expenses we just went over the expenses with our our new Finance director we're in Hurricane Season we got all things to look forward to and
we're going to spend $4 million and and yes I know but I just have to say it because that's where where I'm coming from Henry I shared the same concerns that you did and if you will recall as a part of the the discussions and I believe we actually
Incorporated it into the motion we agreed that yes we didn't have a firm plan of Library maybe but it's kind of like Hollywood Squares to block it was there was a there was a under appreciated value in preventing some negative consequence of someone else
buying that property there's the value to the Village there but we also said we have other assets Island silver and spice and the Machado lots that we would consider selling to kind of offset the financial impact of buying the church that's how I understood it I'm getting
some nods I mean we and that kind of begs the question don't we need to have a conversation about the other properties that we agreed that we would consider either using or getting rid of so that should be on the agenda ironically we literally just had the conversation about acquiring more
property there is nothing wrong with acquiring property as green space as hammock as anything and and having the village own it I mean that is a benefit in many ways to the town it's it's a bigger conversation it's a it's a high
conversation There's real value there and there's I guarantee people will thank you for for not allowing a CVS or a or whatever it might be to be sitting at the entrance of our town I mean that as you said is a value there and and I'm sorry you're having second second doubts
um buyers remorse I think we can appreciate that um and I'm happy you expressed it but I think we need to move on now the motivation is don't let somebody else buy it we're going to pay whatever hell is just because it belongs
to us I I would much rather have somebody criticize us for buying it and not being certain about what we're doing then letting it go and let something horrible be built in there and then face the question of why did you guys pass on that look what they've done that's an eyesore God it could be another Dollar
Tree it could be not taking too many chances in my life and I would have taken that chance oh myself yes not with the money in this town nope I just I I don't know how many times I've walked 10 feet away from a settlement and all of a
sudden the price came down I've done it all my life one little thing I I could teach you if you have to be taught that I've got other skills in negotiating a privacy that I've used since I was 16 years old
anyway I've said it I'm on the record and if anybody wants to argue with with me my phone number is what it is what it is and I get enough phone calls every day believing
me did I hear did I hear a motion to adjourn Henry so moved thank you e