All right, it's 5:30. Let's call this meeting to order. Marne, will you please call the role? >> Council member Steve Freriedman, >> present. >> Council member Deb Gillis, >> here. >> Council member Anna Richards, >> here. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney, >> here. >> And Mayor Don Horton, >> here.
>> We have a court. Um Joe Wishmire, will you plead us in the pledge? >> I'd be happy to. >> Thank you. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Uh Tony, would you please uh uh give us an invocation tonight, please, to start off the new year the right way? >> I would be honored. And uh >> thank you.
>> Happy new year and happy 2026. So let's let's bow together and just ask God's blessing over this. Heavenly Father, we ask you for guidance uh as we navigate and make decisions throughout this year.
May this be a great year 2026 for the village of the islands. Please help this council make good, lasting, wise decisions that will benefit this community now and in the decades to come.
We beg you to bring blessings to this village as we ask you to give us a spirit of unity and participation and fellowship and cooperation between all of our citizens in the council.
Be with the staff. Be with the council. Bless them and protect them throughout this year. And we ask all these things in your precious name. Amen. >> Thank you, Tony. Uh, are there any uh requests for deletions or emergency deletions tonight?
>> Additions. >> Sharon, >> I have a couple. >> Okay. >> That I'll do in mayor council communication. >> Okay. Anna, >> yes. >> I'm sorry. What? >> Yes. Yeah, we should do that. I want to
get this done and then I'll I'll move on to that. Um, anybody over there? No. Okay. Uh, I just want to um add a presentation from our lobbyist firm, Kate. I'll add that to uh 4B uh because she's not on the agenda. I'd
also like to have a moment of silence both for Dave Purdau and for Bob Johnson, both past council members who uh serve this village well and uh and we're thankful for their service. So, we can have just a moment of silence for both of our past council members. I'd
appreciate that. All right, thank you. Uh, so let's move on to reports and presentations. I think we have one from Aaron from the Aqueduct, right? Fantastic. >> Yes. >> Back to work.
>> Thank you. Uh, so I want to uh just thank the council and the mayor for bringing me here to provide another update. Uh, we had a good 2025. um installing the transmission main. We stopped, you know, for the holiday break
just a little bit short of our goal of reaching the connection point there at the marina on this side of Tavern Creek Bridge. Um there was a lot of difficulties in the plantation um well
in the Bessie intersection um with uh you know utilities that we had to work through as well as groundwater conditions. So, our original goal was to get through um that intersection and complete the connection before the holiday. Um however, we fell just a
little bit short of that. So, um we wrapped everything up, got the intersection back open before the holidays. And I'm going to give you a quick update. I'm going to try to go to this map, though. I don't want to take everybody through every slide we've already seen several times.
Am I hitting the wrong button? There it goes. I'm going to go to the next map. Okay. So, right here on this map, you can see we're approximately at the Bessie intersection. We're about 200 ft
foot north with our pipeline with our end of pipe. Um, we made sure that when we started back to work on Sunday night that we had left the pipe far enough north so that by Monday morning we could open up the Bessie um intersection
fully. Now, there's still a transition needed to get traffic over where our pipe is currently located, which is about 200 ft north of that intersection, but um the intersection is fully open. school buses can cross from from one side to the other, which was a big part
of what we were have been coordinating with schools and law enforcement. We are continuing to keep um Monroe County Sheriff's Office presence there on both sides of the intersection. Um, it is our goal this week that we can get paved enough probably a couple hundred feet
north of that intersection where we would be able to move the traffic control and theote further so that there will be no impacts to that intersection hopefully by the end of this week. So, if that's the case and we get that done, which we're we're moving up a little bit in elevation, which is helping us. Um,
also we've gotten clear of some of the utilities that were in the intersection. Um by the end of next week, it's our target that we would reach the connection point right where that big box is at the end. Um there's a there's a circle there. That's where we're looking to try to connect to that
already installed HDPE, the big black pipe. We need to connect to that there to be done and be out of what we're calling the school zone. Um and we're hoping for the end of next week to be to reach that goal. Um, and then when we do so, just to to give you guys an update
on on where we go from there, we'll be moving to the north side of Tavern Creek Bridge. Um, we'll pick up and we're going to go from there all the way up to Julip Road. Um, the next key intersection obviously is Ocean Boulevard there. We've already started coordination efforts with the shopping
plaza, with the Baptist hospital, and we have a meeting scheduled for next week with DOT and some of the key players, Spencer Brian, Captain Spencer Bryan, to navigate our traffic control at that intersection and keep the hospital flowing and everything like that. But
the good news is hopefully by the end of next week, we're going to be out of this current zone and traffic pattern and everything should be back for the most part to normal. So, that's my update for tonight. Any questions? >> Is there any questions for anyone? Uh,
when you when you get over to that Ocean Boulevard and past Tavir Town, will y'all be working in the middle of the highway again or >> So, you're going to have to do a highway cross where you did the >> the HDPE underneath the the bridge. You're going to have to cross the highway. >> The the pipe is pretty much going to
stay where it's currently at. I know we've got some curvature where where we're at now, but it's pretty much in the northbound lane. So, it's going to stay that way all the way up to Julip Road. So, we won't have to cross over to the hospital side or the southbound side, but we still there still be some
impacts there just because, you know, we got to move tra keep open one lane, but um we don't foresee major impacts like what we had over here on this side. >> Well, I think you guys are doing an awesome job. I think it's applause from this council and the village, everybody in here, the work that you're doing and
how you're controlling the traffic at the same time. All the amount of work you're getting done. So, we're thankful for what you're doing, Aaron. Thank you. >> Right. We appreciate everybody's patience and support, especially the council and the village for for for helping us so much. So, I really appreciate it. Thank you. Happy New Year.
>> Have a good night. Happy New Year. >> So, uh uh let's see. We if we could have a report from uh Kate Dlo. You know, one of the things that we haven't stayed on top of, I think, is is our lobbyists. And I know that that's been a a bone of
contention. We finally have uh a a a local representative uh that's working with our lobbyist firm. And uh Kate is going to give us a presentation tonight. I think she's brought a second part of our dream team, too. So, I'll let you bring that on
everybody. >> Good evening, everyone. Um, as Don said, we're I'm half of your of your great lobby team up in Tallahassee. Uh, so I work with Southern and your Great Robinson team up in Tallahassee. Um, and we are expanding Southern Group down
here in the Keys. So I did bring with me Aaron Mure um, who's going to be helping and is going to be the second person in the Keys office. So um, if you're not hearing from me from Southern Group, you'll be hearing from Aaron. Um, I don't have too much of a formal presentation. It's really more just a
couple of updates. We are getting ready to head back to Tallahassee uh next week. I think we head up on Sunday. Um so just a few dates to keep in mind. Uh the first day of session will be Tuesday um the 13th. Members face a deadline of
tomorrow to have all of their bill drafts in final form. So anything that's going to be filed has to be in its final form by tomorrow and it has to be filed by Friday. Uh that is also the last day to file any appropriation project requests. Don't worry, the villages
requests are all in. All attestation forms are submitted. Um your team has been awesome to work with in getting those in the proper posture to get ready for session. Uh other than that, we'll kick off the 60-day session, which I think we're all hoping is a little closer to 60 days
than the 105 that it was last year. Um but we are we are moving forward with positivity. um a few big issues that are going to be on the agenda that aren't, you know, appropriation projects for the village, but are definitely going to suck a lot of the air out of the room.
The biggest one obviously is property taxes. Um there are a multitude of proposals in the house. Um most of them, all I believe, but one have started to move forward. Um some of them have gained a little bit of traction. Actually, one of them filed by Rep.
Busousada um formerly Demi who was Senator Anit Terry Flores former aid back in way back in the day. Um she has a bill that would create an additional exemption for uh homeowners who have a multi-parel insurance policy and that
one has actually moved through two committees so far. So a lot of talk about property taxes. The Senate has still not weighed in on their position on property taxes this session. Obviously the governor's been very vocal. Um, but we expect that issue to
take up a lot of time and attention. Um, the other big one I know we were watching were were for, you know, potential tweaks to some of the legislation that was passed last year. Um, there is not a House bill filed, but there has been a Senate bill filed. So,
we'll be uh starting our session communications next week. Um, and we'll make sure we get everyone that language to to look at as things start to to move forward. But >> are you referencing the 180? Is that >> Yes. Yes, sir. So, no House Companion yet. No, nothing is really moving. It's
been a really slow start um to session this year, but we expect next week things will start to pick up. So, by by Monday, we'll know everything that's going to be filed. >> Fantastic. >> And then the last thing I have is just Florida Keys Day. I know we've talked about that a lot up here. Um but the
welcome reception will be uh February 4th and then the big party on Thursday, February 5th. Um if you know we will obviously work myself and the other half of your lobby team, Gray Robinson, and we'll make sure that we work on a
schedule that addresses some of the issues that you guys have with different agencies that you might want to meet with as well as the formal Florida Keys Day schedule. So, um, wish us luck and, uh, let me know if you guys have any questions.
>> Thank you, Aaron. Anybody else got any questions for Aaron or anything? You know, I'd like to Ron, did you have something you want to say? I I just wanted to mention that um Ron and I have been talking to Southern Group and and Gray Robinson and are going to try
something that's never been done in the village before is uh we'd like to start having a a weekly meeting during session with our lobbyist firm. Uh we'd like to have a Zoom meeting preferably on Friday after towards the end of the week and um
and open the Zoom meeting up to the public for uh Kate, somebody either there at Gray Robinson or or with Southern Group to just kind of give a recap of how the week went. Uh not open necessarily for discussion, Q&As's, although you can uh put in your
comments. um you know, you can type them in. And if Kate has time during those meetings, she'll be able to answer some of those questions. Maybe not all, but it's not a kind of a give and take, but a recap of how it's going during that week as we go through this 60-day legislative session. I think it's
exciting to be able to stay on top of that. and and I'm I'm thankful that we've got Kate now, somebody here local and and certainly Aaron uh joining the team is I call it a dream team because it's fantastic that you guys are going to be here and you're local and you
understand our problems much better than those folks up uh up north of us. So, um so we're looking forward to that and and Ron will put out his the schedule in his weekly meeting and and uh anybody that wants to join can join on that. So,
we're thankful for that. Well, thank you. You I mean it definitely takes knowing both the local issues and Tallahassee and so I think you've got a really good team to to do that. Um we I definitely do recommend Fridays for any catchup calls. We we do that um with
some of our other clients as well. Um and and things do move move very quickly. So we we're we're always available to work with you and your team on on how to improve communication during session. >> Great. Thank you. Deb, you had something? >> Yeah. I just I just want to be so
thankful that you girls are on board and it's welcome. You're it's a good face to see. Uh but you you guys have done a great job and having you locally I think it'll be a big difference in in how we can get things communicated better. Um
we were getting things done before but it was just very awkward um time consuming whatever. Having you locally and you knowing the issues going on on both sides is just wonderful. Thank you. We work well together. I'm I'm excited for this session. So, >> Ron, did you have something?
>> Yeah, I just want to confirm. I spoke with David Ryan Matthews who's with the other firm at Gay Robinson and he is on board with this. Uh I said it's going to be every Friday afternoon. We'll publish the numbers in advance so the public can participate because there'll be a public meeting since we want all the council to
be able to talk. It needs to be a publicly noticed meeting and basically say here's what happened this week. Here's what's planned for next week. Because to have them come every month, we're going to have two meetings during session. Exactly. >> So that's why we want to do it weekly because so much happens between our meetings that we want to have a weekly update. And so uh we'll try to stay on
top of things. If any of you have a particular bill or issue you want us to focus on, obviously Senate Bill 180 is one of yours. Uh we want to make sure we we trust those. So that's number one. Number two is as Kate mentioned, Florida Keys Days is not that far away. It's next month. Uh my my thought was we
definitely want to meet with legislative leadership, you know, the Senate President, Speaker of the House, etc. but also with agencies. We we're having some issues with Department of Commerce, DOP, DE, D O, D. And so we also want to set up some side meetings with agencies. So once again, if you have any
particular issues that you want to brought up, uh let us know so we can kind of brief our lobbying team and that when we go in there, we are we have a script, we have a message opposed to saying hello. We like to come in and say, "Here's some issues we want to talk to you about that specifically deal with Alamra." Because everybody in the Keys
will be up there for Keys Days. And so we want to kind of focus in on specific issues as opposed to overall property taxes or things like that which everybody's going to be talking about. So anything you have in particular, please let us know in advance so we can make sure those meetings are scheduled. >> Yeah. And that script is going to be
very important so that we go in there armed and ready to have a discussion with them about the our needs of Marada. Okay. >> And that'll help us get you to the right folks during Florida Keys Day too. So rather than just you know it's one thing to say we want to meet with FOT but if
we know what specific issues are we can get you with the right head of that particular department and not you know >> waste time. Deb in relationship to those meetings. Yes. In the past years um when I was up there and we attended it was
really when we walked into an office and we had six people they go excuse me we have to pull some more chairs in but it made an impression on them. And if we all were on the same page and had that script that we each could participate in some small way, they could tell we were
on the same page. And it it helps. >> Yes, >> it helps. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you. Anything else, >> Katie? Thank you so very much. We're looking forward to working with you this session. >> Bring your coats. It's going to be a cold session. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> In many ways, huh? We just don't want
the cold shoulder. That's >> That's right. Okay. Okay, let's see. Let's move on. Uh, citiz citizen advisory committee reports. I don't think we have any reports from anyone tonight, do we? >> We do not. Mr. Doyle uh was going to give the presentation for land
acquisition, but he's unable to attend tonight. So, we move that to next month. And all we have on there today is an appointment to the workforce affordable housing committee. So, Frank Derler has put in an application to uh fulfill the vacant seat and I think that council
just needs to uh uh approve that is as >> I think we should have a motion. Yes, >> I'll make a motion to appoint Frank to the workforce affordable housing committee. >> Okay, we have a motion on the table. >> I'll second it. >> We have a second. Is there any
opposition or discussion? >> Hearing none, I'm going to say the motion passes. I don't think we need a call roll on something that simple. >> To pass it by unanimous consent. >> Pass by unanimous consent. Very good. Um, mayor and council communications.
Sharon, you had something? >> Yes. Thank you. First, thank you to this community for being so generous for our toy drive. My good friend Terry and uh all his little elves. We collected it must have been a thousand toys and I got
to play with all of them. And uh we were able not only to satisfy all the needs in Alam Marada, we sent eight bags of tequilargo and then we had more come in and so I spent the days before Christmas with toys all over my
store um giving them to people who needed them. So a big thank you to this community. It really is heartwarming to see the love and the the really cool toys, I'm telling you that we got. Um secondly, I'd like to remind everybody
that the 18th of um January from 3:30 to 5:30 is the dedication of the dog park for Mangrove Mike. I would love to have as many people as possible come out. We have the Italian food company doing pizzas. We've got uh hopefully Dave
Feder and I have had communications where he is going to hopefully play some music in the background. And today I talked to uh Michelle who is the owner of Mangrove Mike's dogs and it looks like they're going to come. So it's
going to be a 2-hour event. I would love to see as many people come out. We have a a bench in the shape of a dog bone that is going in one side of the park and then we have a piece of granite with a bronze plaque going on the other side. So bring your dogs. I even got some
organic dog treats to give out. So, it should be a good time. And again, I think it's long overdue to recognize what he did for this community. >> Absolutely. >> So, I want to thank everybody for being so generous and donating to the funds
where I'm able to give Tony money for pizza. So, I'm happy about that. >> Sharon, didn't didn't you want people to also bring a canned good or something? >> That's right. The United Way is going to be here with a trailer uh that says be like Mike. And so we're asking for non-p
perishable food items to be put in the trailer to fill that during the time that we're doing the ceremony as well. So if you could do that, that would be great. So thank you. >> What else you got? Um, >> and that's not just dog food. It's >> Oh, no. It's not dog food at all.
>> I didn't think so. I just since we were talking everything dog, I just wanted to make sure food pantries. That's funny. >> Celebrate the dogs and feed the people. >> It's for the food pantries. Um, I want to uh briefly touch on to make sure our staff has done the RFPs or Q's for the
Machado property as well as the ride share if we can get them out. Have we done that? Go ahead. >> Yes. Staff is working on the RFP from Machado. Uh, we have we're going to be looking for proposals and so Jennifer and Sheila have been assigned to do the
RFP and so we should be that out next week. It doesn't have to come to council. We can just issue it. I've already been in contact with some people calling me with some ideas. I said just put it in writing. Submit it when we do the RP. There is some interest in putting affordable housing there. Also, uh the the the the parking application,
we want to do that one, too. And then the uh that the other one, what was it? The second one you talked about? >> Ride share. >> A ride share. That's that's an item. It's up to you talking about the freebie. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We're looking at that. And I think the thing that we're looking at that is the rates. If we want to charge, number one,
which I think the consensus is Yes. And then number two, how do you charge and and how do you give a benefit to residents for example. So we're trying to work on the details. We've asked for examples of other areas and also you know obviously we there's an expiration for freebies. So we have to consider you
know do we want to go through that whole process again when that contract comes up. We don't want to wait till the very end and just do that. So uh we in discussion with them also as far as how to proceed. Well, my my point was to open it up to other companies as well to see who would offer us the best deal or
maybe other options that we could do. So, I'm not just saying we're going to renew it with the company we have. I wanted to open it up for others if if that's agreeable. >> I think the expiration is I think Kate might know was it June or something? It's not anytime soon, but obviously we
want to get ahead of the curve. So, I think June would be the expiration. So, if we're going to go out to reopen it, we probably want to do it maybe in next couple months. >> Brought it up. So, I brought it up. And finally, I'd like to have the council uh have a discussion down the road about
green turtle hammock, about um letting besides I know your plan is to have offices for some of our employees. I'd like to not lose the ability to have 501c3s in there and it's would be too hard. the way you mentioned it the first
time we talked about giving them a month each. Why don't we put someone in charge of if the 501c3 wants to utilize the property, we have somebody who we could fit several 501s in there and I don't want to see Florida Bay Forever ousted from there and I hear they're going to
be. So I guess I'm speaking up tonight saying don't do that. So Ron >> Yeah, I I got some contact with some of the board members of Florida Bay Forever and they one of them said why are you kicking them out? I said, "I'm not kicking anybody out. Their lease expires in March." And the question is, how do
you want to proceed? I know I think Jod's here from Florida Bay Forever. I'm planning on going tomorrow. They have a board meeting over at Green Turtle. I'm planning on going. I know that the council's been invited. And so, uh, we we're open to it. Just the question was, do you want to have one organization have exclusive use of the Russell House
or do you want to open up to others? I'm not sure who else is interested, but that we we want to talk about it now before the lease expires. So, they're there till March. Nothing's happening between now and then. and we don't want to take the whole thing over. We're we're talking I think I've talked to each of you individually that we're open to having maybe alternating if that's
the case if nobody else wants it but Florida Bay forever then it's Florida Bay forever but if other organizations are interested we want to hear well what do you propose you know what do you need to what kind of use do you want of it no decision at least from my side has been made and so they I heard it was a done deal I go well I don't know of any done
deal and so I think we're open to the council's input on what do you want to do with it and we're making some improvements one of the things on the agenda tonight for example there's dilapidated built old classroom building. We're going to take hopefully take that down. We've uh we've got public works out of there for the most
part. We've cleaned it up. Peter Fres has done a great job of managing the property. We want to and we we want to improve it. We're going to schedule of how the public can participate. We're going to have a a fee schedule, for example, and we're still going through the details. Jennifer's been a stickler for following the rules, and so we want
to make sure that people use it, get a temporary use permit, et so we're working out the details, but it's we think it's a jewel. We want the public to more fully enjoy it but do it. We want to do it the right way. >> So why don't we advertise this and put it on the agenda and have a discussion. Yeah. And have some more facts in front
of us have that discussion so we can give staff direction on that. >> Yeah. Okay. But that's the latest was the lease expires in March. Other organizations apparently haven't talked to me but the staff have said they're interested and we've said give us the details how you want to do it. Florida
Bay Forever from what I can tell has done a great job while while they're there and the question is do we want to open it up? Do you want to open it up or not? And that's what we're waiting to hear. >> I think we can figure that out during a discussion. I think thank you for bringing it up. >> We also have nothing. We just have to get it out there because there are a lot
of 501c3s and there's no reason why it can't be shared instead of doing a rotation thing which would be too much I think and maybe there could be somebody on our staff who could they could reach out to and say you know we'd like to use it for a kayak thing or just something. So I I just want to keep that door open
that you know it's a great area. It's beautiful and Florida Bay has done a wonderful job and they should stay there, but it also should be the ability for us to open the door to other charities who want to utilize it. So, I just want to make sure it's there.
>> Thank you, Sharon. >> So, so similar to that, I think the rotation of 501c I know we can talk about this next month or whatever, but that that would be a lot for people to rotate in and out. I mean, you you we maybe we can figure out how to get
several in there or not or or a lottery on who who does get it or something, but as you said, their lease isn't up till March. March isn't that far away. I think we need to have a a plan in place
that we can extend their lease by, I don't know, 3 months so we can figure it out. Uh we don't want to kick them out. Uh, and if we get to March, we either need to sign a lease or not sign a lease or something. We need to have something
worked on. We've only got, if you don't count March, we got one more meeting before then. So, >> thank you. >> Something needs to be happen before then, >> Steve. >> Yeah, thank you. Um, thanks for bringing it up, Vice Mayor. I I agree with you. Uh, I believe that Florida Bay Forever
has approached us with um some possible solutions for some of those things that that you said where they could sort of be the steward of the area, welcome in any 501c3s whenever they want to come in. I don't know if Jody wants to come up and talk any about that now or or wait until the next one, but uh I I
think we do have um a resolution that's been proposed that I I think could be agreeable. Why don't we let Jodie come up during public comment and and then I I think she's signed up anyway and um and then when when we go on and advertise this and put it on the agenda, then we can have a a really good
in-depth discussion about that. Is that okay with you guys? Okay. All right. Um any anybody else have anything on mayor and council communication? Uh two things I wanted Steve, please. >> Just one other thing. I I think we're
going to get into it here with the um with the after the update and after action reports, but I would like to see us uh schedule another meeting, maybe another workshop regarding the village owned properties. I think we had a successful one going around and um while
there may be some some things that are going on, I think it's important for the public to participate in that and know exactly where we're at and what what the thoughts are so that there's uh plenty of input there. So I I would like to see us kind of u note that and and either create another workshop or another
agenda item or we can discuss that in the public. >> Okay. >> All right. Uh let's see. One of the things I said when I when I was over on vice mayor was I'd like to recognize our staff each month at the beginning of the
month or the first meeting that we have as far as birthdays. And uh not a lot of people in our staff is uh January birthdays, but we do have uh Ron Jacobs and Megan Rumba. Uh Brock Barry, Christian Owens, uh Robert Matherther,
uh Deb has got a birthday in January. Andre and Lindseay Bambino. So, uh those are our January birthdays. Uh let's see. We also had a special day today. our sheriff had his annual inspection of our
sheriffs that that work for us. And I think we got a photo uh so that our community knows who all of the people that work for us and keep us safe. And so I took this photo earlier today when they were all lined up. And these are
the folks that roam our streets uh do what need to be done to keep this community safe. And I think that we owe them a debt of gratitude and and an applause to these people that work for us in Alamada. So, thank you.
That's all I have. So, uh, village attorney, do you have anything for us tonight? >> Nope, nothing from me. >> Okay, Ron. >> Uh, couple things. One is I've been questioned about the baseball license agreement. Uh, it was on the agenda last meeting in December. We were asked to
kind of delay it and get input. I have gotten no input from the school district in the meantime. So the plan would be uh day after tomorrow, Thursday, we have a land use plan meeting and I have it brought up again. Uh last chance for people to give me input. I think we've gotten quite a bit of public input and
we probably should start moving forward. There's some things we probably should clarify that have been brought to my attention about maintenance of the field, replacement of the field, etc. The other thing I brought up last week was the termination date, which hopefully will never come up, but there's a two-year versus fiveyear discrepancy. So, a couple things like
that. I think we're very close to having an agreement. Uh, the other issue that has not been resolved is I we sent John asked John to send a letter to the school district uh clarifying that we are the owner of the building at the end of the first baseline. Uh, the school district hasn't necessarily agreed. And so, that's one ongoing issue that we
want to clarify because I do think we own the building. And so we want to make sure because they they're making plans to put several hundred thousand dollars in that one building and we'd like to know, you know, that we own it before they proceed. Uh so th that's that's number one. Uh if there's no objection, we'll bring it up Thursday. It's already
been agenda last year, last month, last year and last month. Uh so I I plan on bringing up on Thursday and if if you want to approve it on Thursday, we will move forward. Uh the other second thing is the uh afteraction report or status report. I know the mayor and I have talked we we gave you a sample that the
staff we have a staff director's meeting every Tuesday morning and I went out of the table this morning but they wanted some clarification about what would like you'd like to have on there. My understanding is that this is an example of something where the the village council has taken an action and directed
staff to do something and this is to make sure that we are following up with your directions not an individual member or whatever. this will be whatever the council has done and then we will try to give you an update every every meeting of where we are with things and and because sometimes things get on the back burner because other things come up and
so this was an example we want to use this is this the right format that you want to see and is this the right kind of way to present it and if that's the case next meeting we'll have a full status report or what I call the actions and policies status report open items this won't be just things that have
already been done it's not necessarily a report card it's more of here's some future action that needs to be taken up to follow up on what you directed us to do. So, if there's any input, we'd like to hear it. >> Deb, did you got your mic on? >> Yes. Um, I would step back to the baseball
um input first. Um, will we see that before Thursday's meeting? Are you going to get that emailed out to us or something? >> Yeah, I'll have it tomorrow. >> Okay. I just want to get direction tonight that it's okay to do because Thursday is usually land use. Although that's kind of a land use decision, but I'd like to get it moving because
baseball season starts in a couple of weeks. >> But >> yeah, I think I I think we need to go on. >> Go ahead. I I think we I think we do need But do you think you'll be able to get anything out of the schoolboard before Thursday? Probably not. No, >> probably not. >> No more than what we have currently.
Yeah, there'll be some discrepancies, but I think it's good for at least we will have voted on something because the school board has their version and once we see how close we are, I think we can move forward. But for example, maintenance of the field. Uh January started their their time of maintenance. We're in January and and the baseball
season. I talked to Tony Hammond who's my one of my experts on the field and he's not convinced that field is ready to be in the shape that school district promised us it would be in. So we want to stay on top of that. >> Sure. And obviously I've als I've also talked to schoolboard members and said before you make any decisions on the
turf, assuming it is artificial turf, you should probably talk to us first because we're going to insist on the highest quality turf that we can get there. Make sure there's proper drainage, you know, that the heat situation, the injuries, etc. We want to have input before you make a decision.
And they understand that we are the owner of the property and that we're going to have final say sooner or later. Sooner is better than later. >> Okay. Um, >> no. Go. >> Okay. Something else. >> I'm I'm No, I'm jumping to the action record. Is that okay? That's fine. Ready? Yes.
>> Okay. So, um, uh, this format is fine. Uh, the previous time that they had it, they said it was a difficult, >> um, format to maintain at staff level. I don't know what that difficulty is. The hopefully this is
overriding whatever that problem was. um visually it looks very similar to what but I don't have a copy in front of me of one of the really old ones. So um I just I want to keep it as simple as possible and yet uh sufficient enough to
help us remember what we've talked about. >> Thank you Deb. I I think I think part of the confusion that that was in the past was staff was getting direction kind of from all over the place. And I think that we need to make sure that as I did
last week a couple of times to Ron is Ron have you got clear direction? Do you know where you're headed? And as long as I think that we are talking in you know in five to Ron then I think he can get those things done and have a clear message of what needs to get done. So, um, we'll we'll work with him on it and
try to get it done that way. >> I think it's a a form in in motion. >> Correct. Yes. Um, good deal. Uh, let's see. Uh, I guess we're going to open it up to
public comment now, Marne. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh, first up we have U. Sum Miller. Sue Miller lower Madakumbi I want you to know you're very lucky tonight because I was planning to talk about the
afteraction report and I am so happy to hear that it's back. So, I don't have much else to say except that I hope that it is a success and that it will include on a regular basis the things like where
we stand with the baseball field, where we stand with wastewater, where we stand with some of the studies that we have pending and thank you very much for including that. >> Thank you, Sue. Yeah, I think you'll see
that action item grow and we'll have plenty of Plenty of stuff on there. Marne. >> Next up is Henry Rosenthal. I'm gonna wait. Thank you. >> Okay, then. Next up will be Joe Wishmire.
>> Joe, just for you, the other timer broke. So, so look what we've done for you. >> I was going to comment on that. >> I don't think any of us can miss it, but uh >> I was going to say, you know, there there would be no doubt how much time we have left. >> There you go. That's exactly right. >> Looking at the little
buttons flashing and trying to go. >> Oh, wait till you hear the buzzer. >> Yes, Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. Uh, mayor and council, you know, you did take away a lot of the stuff I was going to bring up as well, but I'm still going to mention a few of them. First, I would
like to wish all of you a happy new year, and we hope that we have a very peaceful and we all get along real well. I was a little surprised at this meeting agenda had so little things on it to discuss. This is where I was going to
talk about the afteraction report that we used to get every month. And the last time it came out was like last May. And it was very helpful not only for us but for you to see what actions were taken and and where we stand on that. So I'm
really happy to see that that's out. I wrote down, I have some suggestions on things we could have talked about tonight, like the baseball field. Uh, you know, I attended the school board meeting in December before I came over to this meeting. There was a lot of
confusion. They were asking for a very quick decision on something. And I even mentioned it when uh in my public comment. I said, you know, this has been going on for a long time and we're not going to jump just because they need it. it's ours. Okay. So, if they drag their
feet and they have to wait a little longer and maybe play on the field for another year, well, you know, that's just so be it. Poor planning on their part does not constitute an emergency on our part. And I'm glad to see that we're taking our time in that.
Uh the other thing we also had two groups that we hired to review our enterprise funds mainly the wastewater. Now, I know that there was a lot of talk about edus and things like that, and I
haven't seen much going on with that, but in reviewing some of this, I know that uh Keargo Wastewater keeps track of their water usage and they update their edu count almost on a monthly basis by
keeping track of how much it is. And you know, it's funny. They use the same system that we have, and I think it's called AS. So, if we're having trouble trying to update our EDUs so that we can make sure that things go more smoothly, maybe we
need to call them. It doesn't sound like it would take much time on the computer and maybe we should talk to them and maybe our IT technician to expedite that. Another one was going to be village owned properties. I'm not going to talk about any of that because I'm running
out of time. See, which is what came up next. I could go on and on, but I would run out of time. Uh, one thing that I would like to say, I do see more people here tonight, and I hope we can continue getting more
public. So, those who were listening, come and join us. And if you just give me 10 more seconds because I just did did want to I did want to I did just want to have the standout. This is for Dave Purdue. This is for Dave Purdue and
Bob Johnson. Okay. I just wanted to make sure that we all remembered them. They were very very helpful and served our community well. Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> Yes. Jody Sarah would like to speak.
Hello, I'm Jody Sarah with Florida Bay Forever. Just to um go on what you were saying. Uh I'm sorry, >> Henry. Henry, if you don't mind your call outside so take the call outside.
>> Thank you. Um I just briefly wanted to speak about uh a green turtle hammock. Uh one thing that I think is confusing is that we are um stewards of the property and I
appreciate your comments. I think we have done a very good job as well. But I it is very nice to hear that and that validation we appreciate. Um we are specifically in charge of the cottage, the Russell cottage. Um that property is
still maintained by the village and it's that collaboration that I think makes it work so well. Pete has done a great job. Um other things we have been able to put up signs and do a lot of things for the property outside of the cottage, but it's the cottage specifically that's in
question um and what to do with that space. And that's what we are currently in. and we already share with other nonprofits and very much invite them to be part of it. Um, a and not because they reached out to us asking because I
reached out to them. I said, "Come, let's get collaborations going. Let's get stuff going because that's what's best for Florida Bay." >> Thank you. There's no one else to speak >> unless Henry would like to. Did you want to talk, Henry?
>> Yes, I guess. >> Yes, I wanted to speak to tab four. Thank you. >> Tab four is on consent. So, if he wants to speak to that, so there won't be any discussion on consent. Would you like talk about it now.
>> Consent? >> No, we'll have we'll have public comment on consent. I just wanted to make sure he was aware as to when it was going to be called. >> Okay. >> Sorry for that, mayor. >> That's fine. You're good. Okay. No, no one else, Mary. >> No, sir.
>> Okay, John, we're moving on to consent. >> Yep. We're into the consent portion of the agenda. These items are of a routine nature, and council members have reviewed these items in advance and sought the advice of staff as they felt necessary. There'll be one vote on the consent items today, which are items 2
through 7. If anyone would like to pull an item from consent, he or she should state so now. >> Anyone? >> I'd like to hear what Henry has to say, okay, about tab 4. So, >> no one wants to pull anything.
>> Uh, Henry, did you want to speak about tab 4? >> I guess I will. >> Okay, that'd be great. That's fine. >> Okay, thank you. I'm Henry Rosenthal, a long time resident of Alamada and Monroe County.
The question is, what are you going to do with a property that I owned for 25 years plus? What I saw you do was tear down my old house
and build something for a million8 which I strongly object to after the fact. I don't expect anything to happen now. But what you did is an abortion,
if I could use that word. And now we're going to deal with the house that was once up by the highway. The previous owner was a contractor. Tom Fels was in the real estate business
and his wife and his father-in-law was the contractor. And that house was up by the highway and that was moved. And now I understand there's some talk about
demolishing that house. You know, before you do these things, you should look at the past history of that property. You probably don't know that the front house was moved there from where the
post office was or is. You're referring to it as the Russell property. And quite frankly, that's kind of new to me, but maybe it was a Russell property. During the Cuban missile crisis, the federal government,
moved into that property, and in the middle of the night in, I believe 60 or 61, they went in and out of that property to Cuba with a missile crisis. Do you know that? You probably don't.
They also gave Tom Fouts $10,000 to reconstruct the waterfront, which he never spent, which I did, because you lacked fixing the roof of the old house. And I'm not speaking of
you personally or this group, but you lacked fixing the roof, which created a situation now of mold, which seems to give you the opportunity
to tear it down. All these things have contributed to this town and the history behind it. I understand I'm out of time. If I could have another >> I gave Joe 10 seconds, so take your 10 seconds.
>> I will take my 10 seconds. Thank you. One at a time. Anyway, it's just I had to speak and say something about it. And just be aware of what you're doing
when you're doing it. You could reconstruct that house. I don't know how many times you put it out for bid. And in the past, putting things out for bid is not the preferable way to go. Not only your council, but my
council as well that I sat on. >> Thank you, Henry. >> So, I just have to say those things and that's that's it. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Is there a motion to accept the U? Mayor, we have more public
comment. >> Oh, there's more comment. >> Yes, Sue Miller would like to speak. >> Sue, >> thank you. I appreciate it. No problem. >> Okay, >> Sue Miller, lower Makumbi. On the consent agenda is the green turtle
hammock preserve with an emphasis on preserve. And it breaks my heart to think that we're not preserving the green turtle hammock like we should. were going to bulldoze a part of the property. And I read from the staff
report, the contractor's opinion was that demolition would be the best alternative unless there was a well-intended use of the building to make such an investment in renovation, which there is not. I contend there is a
reason to save that building. We we've had this discussion tonight about not forprofits that have uses for the green turtle hammock structures. We heard that
um the the um Florida Bay Forever might share the green turtle property. That's a perfect place. It according to the staff report, it's 1500 square feet. I contend it's not anywhere close to 1500
square f feet, but I think it's probably closer to a,000 square ft. It's absolutely a wonderful place for a classroom or for any other use for a notfor-profit. I think that that Florida Bay Forever was hired because it's
required in our um management plan to have someone that is doing exactly what Florida Bay Forever is doing. And and just bringing in notforprofits doesn't necessarily mean they're going
to do what Florida Bay Forever has been doing for the last, I believe, five years. And so I'm all in favor of keeping Florida Bay Forever there, managing the um the Russell House and um
and inviting people to come and share opportunities at the facility. It's a an amazing property. But when when I think of the word preserve and and conservation and and a phenomenal
hammock, the public works cutth through hammocks, it it costs me a lot of money to cut down one one um mahogany tree. And then I look at these huge sections of that gorgeous hammock that were
destroyed by our village. And now I know that you're trying to correct the problems of the past and I hope you continue because it's really a shame what has happened to that property and I hope that it improves dramatically
in coming years. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. S mayor, can we get some clarification from Pete uh on exactly what's going on there? >> I I think we should. Yes. Pete, have you got a minute to talk to us about >> Can Can we just pull that item in?
>> I was going to pull it and see if there's other options. Maybe we should look into other options. >> Just pulled it out of consent. >> Why don't we pull that out of consent? We'll open this up for another discussion at another meeting. I'm I'm fine with that. And we've got
>> well we >> I could see us talking about it tonight even but just let's finish consent and then >> let's finish consent >> and then let's finish consent. We'll pull that item >> for further discussion. Is there a motion to approve consent?
>> I'll by pulling this item. >> I'll make the motion to approve consent uh minus tab 4. >> Thank you. Second. There's a second. Are there is there any opposition hearing? None. By unanimous, we uh we'll
pass that. And uh do we want to go on and continue on with with the discussion on that one pulled item? >> Yeah, let me I'll read the title for tab four and then we can continue that too. Okay. Tab four is a resolution of the village council of Mara Village of Islands, Florida approving work authorization number one with CBT
Construction Development Inc. for green turtle hammock preserve classroom demolition services. Authorizing village officials to implement the terms and conditions of work authorization number one. Authorizing village manager to expend budget funds. Authorizing village manager to executing uh the project agreement for work authorization number
one and providing for an effective date. >> Thank you. Peter, will you lead us off here? Let's talk about um what happened. It as I recall this council didn't approve the construction of the big
uh thing out there. Uh that was done in the previous council >> because Henry and I voted against it. >> You did? Okay. Very good. Okay, >> Peter, help us out understand. >> Sure. So, good evening, council. Thanks for the opportunity to clarify. So, first off, we are not demolishing the
house or Russell Cottage. Absolutely not. Um that's not what's being considered here. What we are proposing to demolish is what we call the classroom or laboratory building. It's a very aging structure. no historical significance. Wood framing, drywall. There was roof damage from a hurricane.
Uh it was Irma. We did repair the roof. Although it's been molding, rotting, getting older, dilapidating uh year by year by year. It is not usable now. Uh we've collaborated with Florida Bay forever. Um talked to Jod about it at length, discussed with AJ Public Works,
um discussed with CBT. We had AAA restoration in there three times dealing with the mold. It's not usable. You can't even walk in there without like gagging from the mold smell. So, the options are should we renovate? We looked into a cost of renovating it,
keeping it as a classroom. Not really feasible to demolish and rebuild the classroom as is would would be almost less than than um just the cost of uh than demolishing. So, it really um it doesn't make makes sense to try and
rebuild that structure. So, it's sitting there taking up space, wasting energy. We want to use that space. So, we have some ideas about what to to do with it. Um, you we'd like to work with the other not for profofits that we hope will be using the property to see what we can
use it for. Maybe just like a tiki hut, maybe plant trees, maybe we don't even need a building there. But right now, it's taking up space, wasting energy. Uh, we felt the best option was to demolish it, start over. Um, we got an estimate from CBT. they're in our our
library. Uh we think it's a very fair estimate. They've been over there and looked at it agree this is a reasonable approach. Um so we we do want to take action to preserve the green turtle hammock and we have been taking action action to plant trees. Uh we work very hard myself AJ public works department
to do everything we can to keep that property as pristine as possible. We treat the invasive species on a bimonthly basis. We inspect it for invasive animals. Um, I think it's a phenomenal property and um, you know, with the construction of the pavilion, the the options are, uh, you know,
really endless for what we can do there and especially with the waterfront there, too. So, we want to take action. We want to preserve it. That classroom building is doing nothing right now. You cannot use it. So, demolition is the best option. That's what we have in this agenda item. And we are looking for
approval of the agreement with CBT tonight. Um I thought I read in I'm not finding it quickly that the building was actually a 19 55 building. >> Is that correct? >> We believe that's when it was
constructed. Yeah. And I don't even know if that building was >> uh in its current place. Maybe Henry can let us know when he was living there. Um there's been some misinformation on how it got there. It may have been constructed right there. It may have been moved uh partially moved there and
then it was renovated by a previous user of of the green turtle. Um but so yeah it's we had a historical um investigation on no historical value at all to that property that building. >> Do you have anything else?
>> Yeah. So the other half of the question is you you touched on it. So, you have ideas what to do with that square footage, and I don't mean building wise, I mean groundwise, of whether or not you want to um that whether we could maybe just
replant it all as trees or whether we need a shade pavilion, although there's plenty of trees there, >> right? >> Um but we're we're just not tearing it down just to tear we have plans. We that at the least we'll plant trees where it
was at the least. >> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I what we kind of felt was since it's useless right now, let's demolish it while we can and see how the property evolves over time over these next few years and then we'll plan for the appropriate use of it. >> Okay.
>> If it if it turns out we do need a classroom building, we'll budget for a new classroom building. Maybe that is needed. Uh, with the building of the pavilion though, we may not need to use that space anymore um for classroom or educational reasons. That may already be
taken care of through the Russell Cottage and the pavilion. >> Thank you. Steve, you had something? >> Yeah, just kind of to repeat. So, what I'm hearing and what I'm reading is we have uh basically an unsalvageable uh building. The best thing to do at this
point, because it's only going to get more expensive, to do so in the future, is to uh take it down with the possibility of either rebuilding it to modern standards or doing something else, which is what we have the privilege of maybe deciding in the future, that no hammock will be
destroyed uh during this process that is simply the the best course of action for that one particular building on that property at this time. >> That's exactly correct. Thank you. >> Good way to put it, Steve. Thank you, >> Anna. Do you have something? >> No, I just >> Your mic's on. >> No. Well, sorry. Um, I was just going to
say number one is safety. It's not safe for anybody to even be in it with all the mold and everything like that. It's >> that's number one concern. Number two would be money. >> It's It's going to cost us double to fix it than to take it down. And we can use
the pavilion for classroom things and other things like that. We don't need to use it. I understand it's got historical knowledge and memories for Henry, but at some point it's not safe for anybody else to be in that building at this
time. >> Thank you, >> Sharon. You got anything? >> I I would I would say um I would say I've I've worked through the years with AAA restoration and they're not going to claim something is in not repable
without being not repairable. We've I've gone in at some renovation jobs that were look pretty bad when we figured out how we could fix that. But a a building of that age once it reaches that point is really difficult to get in there, especially a wood a wood frame structure
like that. So um is there anything else from you Peter? >> No, that is all. Yeah. >> All right. So do I have a motion on tab four? >> Motion to approve. >> I'll second. >> I got a motion to second. Morning. I'd like to call the role on that one.
>> Council member Rena Richards. >> Yes. >> Council member Deb Gillis. >> Yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. >> Motion passes 5-0. >> All right. Let's uh move on to resolutions.
>> Yep. Tab 8 is a resolution of the village council of Alamara Village, Florida, reiterating its long-standing opposition to the inclusion of new offshore oil and gas leasing off the coast of Florida and the 5-year national um national outer continental shelf oil and gas leasing program.
>> Very good. Thank you. I I asked this item to be uh brought onto the agenda. I just think it's of the utmost important that we uh get on board with all of the other local municipalities and with the county and send a clear message to all
that are involved that uh that we we absolutely do not want to risk anything that happens around the Florida Keys. Um especially offshore of of us and we worry about us and having any offshore drilling in there. So,
um I think uh we want to open this up to public comment. Marne, >> first up would be Barry Ray. >> Thank you. >> Barry Ray, executive director for the Florida Keys Environmental Coalition and
also primary author of this resolution. This is a moment of celebration. All right. This is unity throughout the county. And when I say unity throughout the county, you're going to be part of every single elected official in this
county voting in unison for this resolution to protect the Florida Keys. I've only seen it happen once before, and that was in 2010 after the uh oil spill in the Gulf. voting that Florida Keys Environmental Coalition would
represent the ecosystems to the different municipalities in this county. It's the only other time I've ever seen this. It's wonderful. And this show of unity is so important. This morning, Key West passed this. Unfortunately, they put it on the
consent agenda and I couldn't talk. So, thank you guys for allowing me this latitude to be able to come up and express what this really means. It's more than just the oil drilling threat. Yes, we don't need that threat
specifically. Next week, I expect Marathon to pass this. It's on their agenda as well. Um, and you know, every group that's looked at this did it with enthusiasm, ourselves included. So, it
it is clear how we all feel that it's our responsibility to protect this place. When we look at the history of this place, Don, you and I got a chance to talk earlier and and what's so interesting is we may talk about this, that, and other things, but that's the
first time we really talked about some details of our experiences living here. And and to know what you told me, I learned from it because you came here before me, but it was similar to what I already understood. Our ecosystems were pristine. Anna, you
were born here. You know, Sharon, you've been here a long time and as well as you have, Tab, it was crystal clear when I got here in the 80s. I can't see the bottom of a canal anywhere, any time of year. You walk out here to this jetty and look down. I invited you
before to do it. Please do that. Look down at the rocks on the outside of the jetty. They're all green. There's three different types of algae you can see growing there. Macro algae. It doesn't belong there. If you snorkel out in the water, you'll see algae growing up on top of the seagrass. It doesn't belong
there. We have a water quality issue. Oil is a water quality issue when you're drilling in the water. All right. More concerning is the degradation of our water over the last 40 to 50 years. And
we have this green pea soup now instead of crystal clear water. And it has killed a lot and weakened a lot in our e ecosystems right out to the reef that you see less than 3% coral cover from what was historical.
So we want to use this strength to bring attention to our problems which are the plight of the keys. We are the canary in the coal mine laying on the bottom of the cage gasping for air at this point. We need to save the keys folks.
We all of us this unity gives us a voice. Our state is in unity and I urge each one of us and for each one of us to think about this in detail. What can we do to amplify this issue and
bring it to a level of exposure because we didn't cost this. Two things cost this. the federal government and the state government incentivizing hyperdevelopment across this state, throwing out septic tank permits like they were candy. And every time somebody
flushes their toilet in the mainland of Florida, where does it end up? Right here downstream to everything in the Keys. We need to be adamant. We are the stewards of this place. We need to be determined. We're going to change the course of this place.
That is what this resolution represents. The unity of our voice. We need to empower everybody. Florida Bay Forever. Uh Oceanana will come in and help. Surf Rider is here. There are so many groups
that we need to empower. The coalition is formally represents governments, not forprofits, individuals, businesses. We invite everybody to be part of a coalition that wins on this issue, that
brings our water quality back and our keys back the way it's supposed to be. So, thank you. This is a celebration. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I beat your time. >> You gave your 10 seconds. >> There you go.
>> Is there any other public comment, Mark? >> Yes, there are. Um, next up is Sue Miller. Okay, >> Sue Miller, lower Madakumbi. I'm going to give two minutes back. I want to say how important this is to the environment of the Florida Keys. And we always have
to remember that the reason that the Florida Keys are special to all of us is because of our environment. And thank you. >> Thank you, Sue. Okay, next up is Joe Wishmire. Yes, Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key.
You know, I want to take you back a ways. I don't know how many of you remember this or not, but before I moved to the Keys full-time, I grew up on the ocean up in Lauderdale by the Sea. And at one time you'd go walking on the
beach and you'd feel this ooze coming up through your toes and you'd look down. Oh god, it's a big pile of oil. There used to be mineral spirits cans all up and down the beach because you had to clean your feet before you could even walk anywhere.
Well, that was taken care of. We found out that was actually a lot of the oil tankers that were just cleaning out their tanks. the federal government finally stepped in and and got that fixed, which is why I can't believe that they're even considering, as delicate as
our ecosystem is down here, even considering opening this up, especially after the disaster that we had. We came so close. I'd never heard of a loop current before before the the horizon thing. And yet,
we almost got all that oil coming around and up. >> Yeah. So that's how close we came. That's why we have to monitor and stick to our guns about how delicate it is and how to take care of it. I know it's it's
kind of tough when you've got the president and the governor kind of pushing forward to it, but we all need to stick together and stick to our guns. The bay, we've seen the degradation in the bay. So this also has to do with the bay. I wish we'd had taken a little more
action on the alligator Alcatraz cuz we know there's going to be pollutants coming from that as well. But let's all stick together and do what we can to make sure that we keep big oil out of our waters. Thank you. >> Thank you, Joe. >> And next up is Jod Sarah.
>> Welcome again, Jody. >> Thank you again for having me. Jody, Sarah with Florida Bay Forever. Um, we all know and the health of Florida Bay is the health of Island Marada, the health of our community and economy. Our
mission at Florida Bay is to restore and protect Florida Bay through education, advocacy, and community engagement. Um, I can go into this I think that everybody has kind of talked to how important this is. We know offshore
drilling is going to end up with oil on our shores. So, um, thank you. I I want to comment definitely from what Barry said, we this is wonderful to see everybody coming together and this voice and the collaborations. This is what protects Florida Bay and protects Island
Marada. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And next is Captain Ed Davidson. For the record, I am Captain Ed Davidson. Um, I'm going to tell you about lots of stuff I did before I started aggravating you folks.
Um, I'm the guy that nominated Luke Key as the first biological marine sanctuary in the country. All we had in the beginning was the monitor wreck upside down. this first biological. I was accused by the entire fishing uh commercial fishing community that I
really wanted to turn the whole keys into a national marine sanctuary. I denied that vigorously right up until I succeeded in doing it. Um then the magazine National Fisheries Management Act passed
and because I had been a public active ad advocate for some time and and and a prominent guy in the the diving scuba diving tourism industry, I got seats on both the Gulf and the South Atlantic National Fisheries Councils and I got to sit on the board that wrote the reef
management plan from the Mexican border to Virginia. Uh it took years. Um but that's how he the Keys was always a pivot point for all this stuff. Lots of people north and south of us for for hundreds of miles benefited, but we
were the catalyst, the Florida Keys. So talk about Canary and the coal mine. Um, when I first got here from Vietnam and went diving in in in the Florida Keys, the reef fingers
were engulfed in thick carpets of stagghorn corals is big around my forearm. Acres of it, huge mass of it. It's now been declared functionally extinct. officially declared functionally extinct and so has the
Elorn echapora pelata versus cervvicornis. Um both functionally extinct. Um, and there's plenty of evidence all over the world of how uh pollution from development, the nutrients, we're talking about all the
algaes and the nutrients that that fuel all that stuff. Um, and and and the polluted water, the algae proliferation of polluted water out competes the coral reef.
All those mechanisms are filter feeders and um and the nutrients u fertilize the macro algae and and that in many locations has overwhelmed the the filter feeding. The coral polyps are
just little little sack with with little arms on it and and and they feed and and it's a a biologic uh symbiosis between plant and animal. the the photosynthetic algae, the good algae that produce energy from sunlight
and and and the coral polyps which feed on the the fertilizer byproducts of of that that metabolism. So >> Ed, we'll give you the other 10 seconds like we've done everyone else. >> Okay. Uh so it's really important that
we reclaim our our influence as the catalyst for reef restoration preservation and restoration because it's a it's it's a really disturbing decline in in water quality. In 1975 in
my log books we averaged a 100 foot water clarity. >> Hey let's please be respectful of everyone please. 100 foot water clarity on Lu Ki for three months in the spring. That's what the water quality used to be like. >> Thank you, Edney. >> There are no other speakers. Thank you.
>> All right. Do I have a motion, >> Mr. Mayor? >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Just a a comment. I I I'm really pleased to see this resolution come about. Uh I had that experience when the Deep Water Horizon spill uh was potentially going
to affect the Keys, albeit for luck and loop currents. It did not. However, we did have a tarball wash up in Key West and that was reported. And tourism went down overnight by 75% which definitely affected my business and was a very scary time. So I just want to thank uh
Barry Ray for bringing this to our attention and the mayor for sponsoring this and uh I would motion to approve. >> Thank you very much. I just will say that as a young man growing up in uh just outside of Galveston Bay, uh my surfboard stayed black more than it did
white. And I remember the Houston Ship Channel at one time being uh flammable. Uh the first space of the Houston Ship Channel looked like somebody took a Marxelot and drew a line from Houston all the way through to Galveastston. And
there was not one living organism in the Houston Ship Channel because of what was going on there. And I remember as a kid a celebration when they found the first single cell living creature in the Houston Ship Channel and that cannot happen anywhere close to us. And so we
need to be cognizant of that. It's so important. So Deb, >> I was going to make a second and also made the comment as I remember the horizon days and he's exactly right. Tourism turned overnight. It did. >> It just cannot happen here. We just
cannot let it happen. >> All right, >> we got a motion in a second. >> Marne, will you call the role on this one, please? >> Okay. And to clarify, that was uh Council Member Freriedman who made the motion. >> Second. >> A second. Thank you. All right. Council
member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Council member Deb Gillis. >> Yes. >> Council member Anna Richards. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Absolutely. Yes. >> Motion passes 5-0. >> All right. Let's see. We're moving on to another resolution, John.
>> Yep. Tab 9 is a resolution of Village Council of Vermont Village, Florida, establishing a charter review committee to provide recommendations to the village council regarding the village charter and providing an effective date. Uh this was a resolution following up the direction that uh was we were given
um at the last meeting uh to bring back uh something to establish a charter vision commission. Uh the request uh which is included in here was for there to be a seven member commi uh commission. Um one member each to be appointed by or one member to be
appointed by each individual council member and uh the other two members to be appointed by the majority of the council as well. Um the qualifications uh that were writt are written into this draft at least are that the to be um eligible you need to be a resident and
elector of the village. Um there is a built-in deadline of May 31st of this year to get the recommendations to you all as a uh to the council um because you all will need two months to or at least two hearings to consider it. Uh
because we put ours on by ordinance. So we would need two hearings to uh put any ballot questions on the on the ballot and uh we need to get it to the supervisor of elections uh by the end of the July or maybe the very beginning of August. Uh but we want to make sure we
gave you guys enough time and and ideally they get it to you sooner rather than later. Uh also requires monthly updates uh so that you all are aware of what what is going on. Obviously their meetings are going to be sunshine meetings open to the public so you all can attend as well. But I wanted to make
sure that there's there update to the council uh so you understand what they're looking at and what their recommendations might be. And it also has an automatic sun uh sunset date so that this will automatically sunset uh I think it's I'll have to look it was
either it was seven months or with a or once they submit their um >> final draft >> uh their final draft to the council whichever one is is sooner. So uh it would automatically sunset by its own terms. >> Okay. >> So this uh is here for your consideration. Um, I haven't talked to I
haven't didn't uh talk to anyone specifically when drafting this other than to get the uh uh the input that you all had given at the last council meeting as to what some elements you might you might want to see. >> Okay. Any comment from council sharing
>> on this one? they're on >> um trying to figure out how to word this correctly that uh this is the charter is extremely important as well as our comm plan or strategic plan and um I spoke last weekend to a couple friends of mine
at the University of Florida who are professors in political science about stuff like this. I would like to see us put this first like we did with Abel City. put this first in the hands of a company who does this who can come back
to us with some subject suggestions. Personally, and I know if I asked this question, I've already told Ron and and John the answer I'll get. I don't really know the charter and I don't think these people were going to appoint really know
the charter. And I think I would like to see this go out to bid to a company to come back to us and give us some suggestions. And at that point, we need to have community involvement. We need to have input from the public. And as
far as getting this done by May 31st, I don't see it happening. It needs to go in front of the voters. Maybe one question, maybe as many as 10 questions on what the community wants. So, I would like to not move this forward. And I'd
like to put this out for a company who does this for a living or their profession to come back and give us advice just like we hired Abel City to talk to us on the comp plan. We have the final say, but we're I think we would be wrong not to
listen to outside advice instead of people in this community who are are friends, somebody we know and uh who might not be really qualified. So that's that's my opinion. >> Okay. Thank you, Deb. I'm sorry, Steve.
>> Um, yeah, I would just agree with the vice mayor. Uh, I don't need to repeat everything she said because that's exactly what I was going to say. I think we're on the same page. I would only add that if uh if that is not the desire of this council that um should we pass this resolution tonight that we not appoint
tonight because I don't feel like there's been adequate notice for the public to apply to see if they're interested in being on this committee. so that we would either postpone that to Thursday or another day. But I wholeheartedly agree. I think that we should hire this out. >> Okay, Deb,
>> I don't think we should hire it out. Um, I think it's very quick to if it if if we want to make changes, if the citizens think that we should make changes, we need to get it on the
November ballot and uh the legal staff and and Ron have backed that up and said that we need we need that information to council for our June meetings. In order for that to happen, this committee needs time to work. So, we need to react
pretty quick. I am I'm kind of in agreement. I'm not sure I want to appoint tonight, but I would like to appoint Thursday night. Um, only because I'd like to to hear who besides
the two names that I saw in emails, um, is interested besides the people I talked to, uh, for these two at large seats. Um, I think our citizens can do this. I think that they'll that it's it's hasn't
been overly published that we're doing this. Um, I think that we can help the committee going forward and making sure it's very well published of when their meetings are because that's where they'll be discussing these items. Um,
I I sat on a review committee years ago and it's it's I don't think you have to know the comp plan or the U charter back and forth in order to sit on the committee. I think you just have to care and understand the
subjects and have people that will help you define the subjects if you don't know the subjects. Um, so I would like to I'd like to move forward at least with the le resolution tonight and and either appoint tonight. I would prefer to appoint Thursday, I think. But
>> okay, I I'm agree I agree with that. I served on two charter review committees. The charter is a is a is a very concise document. Uh, but it's not brain surgery. It u it is it is the pulse of the community. Um, I don't think as a
whole, I I would say out of the majority of cities throughout the state of Florida, there probably haven't been very many that is written by anybody other than the community. Uh, the meetings you say that there there should be public input. These meetings are
going to be open to the public. Um I do agree with one part of what you had brought up though Sharon is I I would like to see somebody u that is u knowledgeable of how to kick off uh a
charter review committee u and and maybe one of your friends that that are political scientists uh can uh help kick that off. We had uh we had uh in one of ours, we actually had Jim Trice uh kick
that off and he got us started and uh and then he basically whiteboarded us uh at the at at the beginning of the charter as we went through everything and then we worked through the remainder of that uh without Jim even being there uh for the most
part. Uh and and it was very helpful for us uh to do that. But I the the charter to me is is the charter is a very personal thing. It's not something that somebody outside of our community should write and it should be something that uh
that that we can we should work on. I think I know that the timeline is tight but it's doable uh because we did it before in that timeline uh twice before. So uh I I think that what I would like
to see on top of that and I asked the previous manager to to to change the whole structure of what we uh what we were doing is is I always thought that we should have and I mentioned this probably two years ago that we should
start off with our strategic plan. we should move from a strategic plan to a charter review and then from the those two we should move into our comp plan. Uh we skip skip that. Uh I think you know the the charter the charter review
committee could actually be tasked with doing a strategic plan too because the strategic plan really isn't all that difficult. And I think if you look at, and you got a copy today, I think all of y'all did of the counties, it's a two-page document. Uh it's it's a it's a
it's a it's a vision that's not that difficult to put together. And we've basically already had all of those discussions as we talked about the u uh doing going through our comp plan. And those discussions going through the comp plan, we got a lot of feedback from the
public. But I still think that we need to move forward with the charter review because it's long overdue. And I and I have confidence that the people in this town can do it without hiring a professional that once again doesn't know this town. We know this town. The
guys that are scientists in some other college don't know this town the way we do. So that's where I'm >> May I ask a historical question? >> Sure. you or Sharon or Ann probably maybe. Um I was told uh that in the
beginning um that there was four or five meetings uh to develop the charter. Uh I don't remember those meetings. I I I was just coming
>> at the very beginning the found of the village first founded the village. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think >> the charter, not not the comp plan, the the charter thing that there was four or five public meetings. >> Um I I think you're you're verifying that that's
>> about right. >> Yes. >> Um I think we can I think we can structure the notifications of the meetings that way. >> Yep. >> Anna, >> you're done.
>> Yeah, your mic's not on. Go for it. >> Well, I'm kind of agreeing it's like two and two here and I kind of agree with both sides, but I think the most important thing is having the community's input and having the citizens, but I also feel that we could also do it simultaneously with putting
it out to uh maybe some professors or somebody that's not local and have them review it and come back and bring that to the committee and have both sides collaborate on that And maybe they won't like any of it. Maybe they'll like a lot
of it. Who knows? And let them all come back to us, but then have the public meetings so everybody can sit here and hear what all sides have to say. >> Well, I think they could work in tandem, too. And that's mention I agree with her in one part. It's we should have
somebody help kick that off and and and guide that. You're welcome. But but it's very like you know maybe those guys would be willing to review it themselves. Who knows? But >> um doesn't hurt to ask,
>> right? Or work with the committee. >> Yeah. So is there a motion on the table to uh to approve this resolution? >> Is it public comment? >> Oh, certainly. Let's do public comment.
Thank you, Joe. No problem. >> Joe Wishmire would like to speak. >> Keep keep reminding me. I'm there for you. >> Marne, is there any public? >> Yes, Mr. Wishmire. >> Thank you. >> Yes, Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. You know, to remind you all again, the
locals are what started this. The locals put this park together. We live here. We know. I don't While I understand why you may want to get some professional opinions or something, nobody knows this
community like the locals do. A good example of that was just earlier tonight. We've had lobbyists, not going to dwell on a lot of that, but now we have some locals and nothing but praise for them. It's so nice having the local lobbyists who know what we go
through, who know what we have to deal with. I think that we ought to keep this in house. We started it. We created it. It's been around for 20 years. It may be a little outdated now, but it's certainly worked pretty good for the
first 15, 18 years. So, I don't see why we can't do it. I heard a word tonight that I haven't heard in a long time. strategic plan. We've been trying to get a strategic plan for a long time. >> I have
>> and we just keep talking, but we are good at talking and sometimes not so good at actions, which might come into our afteraction report, too, that we can actually get some of that done. So, we do need a strategic plan, but I think
that we ought to keep this among our people. I'm hoping that the location would they meet in this room here so that we have plenty of room and all and I think in the beginning maybe we should meet more than once a month. >> I agree >> just because we need to get it
kickarted. Maybe after they do that a few times and we start get rolling, you know, then we can cut it down a little bit. But we are going to be running out of time on this. It is a very important thing. A lot of things have changed since we started. So I urge the
community, I can't say this enough. There was more people here tonight in the beginning than there had been and I hope we certainly get a lot more participation. I remember on December's meeting there towards the end which quasi judicial hearings it was me and an
attorney and the attorney the appelling the appellants weren't even here. It was just me and Tai. So I hope we get the community more involved. We need to get more involved in a lot of things, but nothing can be more important than this.
It comes right down to as important as decision as creating Founders Park. So, let's get the public involved. Thank you. >> Thank you, Joe. >> There's no one else. >> No one else? >> Yep. >> Okay. Do I hear >> Can I just give some clarification because that uh idea intrigues me. Do we
need to, if we want to go forth with that, can we amend the motion to put out an RFP for uh another consultant and then are we tableabling the appointment tonight and then moving it to Thursday?
>> Well, I I agree with you that that I think it would be nice for us to take the risk. I s noticed we had a few more applicants and I think tonight's meeting projects the word again. So perhaps we can have our appointments on Thursday. I
know that uh most of the people that have applied except for those that did today. I've already made a phone call to and talked to them about, you know, what their vision was, what their thoughts were, what their concerns were. Not not all of them, but a a lot of them. I think I've called four, five different
people. So, um, yeah, I would like to, uh, postpone any appointments until probably Thursday, but I'd still like to hear a motion to entertain approving this. Um, and then, u certainly we could have somebody on top of that consult
with us. We can always do that. Deb, >> I would like to make a motion, but I'm not I want to make sure I'm making it in the right form because what I would like to make the motion of is that we find a um and I've been trying to dig for the
word uh like a Jim Trice to um >> somebody to facilitate >> facil that's word a facilitator uh for our meetings to help the committee um keep it organized and keep it moving. and and not to tell them what to do,
just to keep it on point for them. U but I would like to make a motion to approve this with making appointments on Thursday. >> Okay. And we'll have a leus from >> I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. Minus a facilitator plus a
lison from staff. Yeah. >> Yes. Okay. There's a motion on the table. Is there a second? already >> that we they we would >> approve it. >> I want to approve it, but I would like to get a facilitator for the committee
to use as well as u a staff lay on. >> How do we get a facilitator? >> Well, how did we get Jim Tric? >> I have not a clue. That's why I asked the question. >> John, can you help us with this? >> Yeah. So, first um for the staff leaison
that is built into the the resolution. So, there there's that. So, it it would be as I'm as I'm hearing it, it would be a motion to approve the resolution um subject to uh the appointments under section 3 taking place at our Thursday,
January 8th meeting and directing the manager to uh retain a facilitator uh for the um uh the actual uh charter review commission meetings themselves. >> Yes. Okay. You give an idea? That's Yes,
that's exactly what I said. >> Okay, I think that works. Is there a second on that? >> Kind of. >> Okay, I'll go along with all of that, but I also do like the idea of somebody from
the outside reviewing it as well. So whether that is somebody that's somebody that knows somebody that's going to send it to them and have them look at it or if we're going to have to pay somebody to do that >> and that was what I was getting to in the directing the manager to ret to
retain a facilitator. I I I had kind of viewed them as the same same person, but you might be looking at them separately. But either way, it's I think depending on if there if somebody be willing to do it for free, then the you know the manager can retain that person or or what not. If they if there's a cost,
then we may have to bring it back or if it's within the manager's authority, we could just enter into an agreement to to do that. But Anna, >> go on Steve. >> I was under the impression that you were you were thinking about a whole separate entity reviewing it independently and then bringing it in and comparing it.
>> Yes. >> Basically simultaneously having both going at the same time, >> right? Yeah. So that's different than a facilitator for >> Exactly. Go ahead. >> Yes. Yeah. That would be >> you want a third party review >> in addition to in addition to the facilitator. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. So that would be I would say that would be direct to the manager to uh retain a um third party entity to to review the recommendations and make their own independent recommendations to council um uh re regarding the uh any
potential charter changes. >> Yes. >> Anna, did you want that recommended to the committee or direct to council? >> I think it could go to both, honestly. like >> well yeah except there's a time a tighter time frame for that third party
to take it to committee versus taking it to us >> not if the committee is meeting and then they're maybe because >> they're overseeing or working with them on it. >> Yeah. And they're seeing whatever is happening they can communicate with them. >> So you are wanting them to work together. That's what I
>> simultaneously but different. This is these this is community and locals working on their own committee doing their thing but yet having a totally independent person that's not here in it to review it and then come
back and meet and then >> the facilitator I was thinking of was more of just an experienced person to help >> run a meeting to keep it yes that's where I was going with that facilitator
idea. I have no objection to it. Another party outside doing that uh or doing a review also. I just I don't want to tie it up too much with time because >> No, that's what I'm saying that this committee could work, but >> yes,
>> simultaneously we could still have a third party review come back because maybe they're going to think of something that the committee's not going to think of or vice versa and you know, they may like an idea and somebody may not like an idea, but at least it's
given us all different perspectives to >> I'm okay with that >> to do. So you would add that include that into your motion direction this for staff to uh retain the third party entity to review and make recommendations uh as well. >> Yes.
>> Still still on the same time. >> We're still stuck with the same timeline. The election is when it is and we have a deadline to get everything >> to be able to get it to the voters. It has to be done by that time. And just a reminder, we also have to get the it's a request to the supervisor of elections
to put these on the on the um uh on the uh the ballot. I mean, usually the supervisor works with us, but I want to just remind everybody that we have to request it from the supervisor of elections and and you know, uh there's always the chance that the supervisor could say no, but uh regardless of what
we do. >> All right. So, >> they could >> really >> It's a request. You have to request that they that they put these on the >> otherwise it could be on our our dollar. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. I got it. >> Okay.
>> Okay. So, >> one one quick question. >> Everybody know my motion. Okay. >> Yeah. I was going to have John recap this motion and maybe that'll help you, but what what >> Well, the the only question I had was if if you're going to have another review
party in there, is that March 31st a drop deadline date that that you suggested before? >> May May 31st. >> Yes. or since we already have the facilitator if it goes a little bit longer if they have more discussion of just
>> unless the council is going to having be having special special call meetings to to do this May 31st needs >> which we may need to do. Yes. >> Yeah. But but I I would recommend having a deadline of May 31st cuz you guys are going to need time to review this. I we don't know what's going to come back.
They may come back and say we don't recommend anything or they may come back and say here's two dozen things that we're recommending and we want you to consider. So, uh, I would give yourselves as much time as you as you can. >> Okay. >> Uh, Ron, >> just for clarification, I think my understanding would be you looking for
two different things. You're looking for a facilitator like Mr. Trice apparently, but who comes in, gets them started, and just to say, "Here's the procedure. Here's how you're going to do this." It could be somebody local like a a Debbie Mason, somebody like that that's used to doing >> those kind of local meetings. >> Yeah.
>> On a separate course, my my thought be go to League of Cities. We're a member of the League of Cities. They do these things all over the state >> and maybe have somebody from the league. We have good contacts in League of Cities. We've been a couple meetings already and say to the League of Cities, "Do you have somebody that does this
around the state of Florida?" You know, like they do with managers, for example. They they come sometimes help us with search committees, things I I think we trust the League of Cities to do because they they they look out for our interests. And so rather than going out to a university, whatever. I've a Gator obviously, but it's not
>> Yeah. I don't want to be picking some university over another one, but I think League of Cities is nonpartisan, non-biased, and that we could just get them say, "Do you have somebody that's that knows charters, has been through this with another city just to give us an independent look and make sure we're not getting off course." And then, you
know, I would trust League of Cities to do that. If that's the direction you want to do, that'd be rather than go out for an RFP and getting some consulting firm that charges $20,000, >> we can get the league to do it for free. To me, that's a better deal. >> Let's put them to work. I like it. Okay.
So, do you want to recap >> since you said what you said? So, perfect. >> So, all of the above. >> Yeah, exactly. It was uh so it would be a motion to approve the res the resolution uh subject to the appointment under section 3 taking place at our
meeting on Thursday uh January 8th. Uh and with two directions to the manager. The first is a direction to the manager to retain a facilitator uh for the commission u charter review commission meetings. And the second is a directive to the manager to retain a third party
to uh uh provide a review and recommendations of any charter uh potential charter um uh proposals, charter revision proposals, >> right? Everybody's happy. Good deal. >> Uh there's a motion and >> second >> and there's a second. Marty, will you
call the role, please? >> Council member Deb Gillis. >> Yes. Yes. Council member Anna Richards. >> Yes. >> Council member Steve Freriedman. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Don Horton. >> Yes. That motion passes. >> Good discussion. That help was very helpful. Thank you for your your suggestion, Sharon.
>> Now you guys have homework for appointments. >> Everybody's happy. We like that. >> So I have a question about the homework for appointments. Um I did not see the list today. I guess more names were >> uh Marne updated us this late this actually right at the beginning of the
meeting. So >> yeah. So I haven't seen >> So you want to update can you re recap the names so far? >> But >> yeah, there's an email. >> But wait, let me ask this question. if their name's not on there because I asked a couple weeks ago if they had to
submit a letter or if they you know >> I've been I was trying to get some guidelines for how people apply for this committee >> under the resolution it's from you can appoint from a list of applicants or from your own personal contacts. So
you're not bound just by anybody who formally submitted uh to the village. >> All right. So she's >> so that you know the the person that I'm um kind of in the back of my mind has not put in an application because I've already had a discussion with that
person about you know put possibly being on the committee but still looking at all of these applicants that are coming in and calling most of them. Well, that's what I would have liked to do, too. And the the people that I had talked to that I was looking at for an
applicant, I don't think any of them had put in an application letter or anything. >> I did. So, yeah. >> Okay. Maybe this afternoon. >> Um, so, um, yeah, I would just like to >> know that. >> You can't I can't tell you who it is now.
>> No, not who's applied so far. There's an email. >> Let me read out to the public if you want me to read them. Yeah, sure. Yeah, please. >> Uh the what we did in the newsletter was said either send an email to the clerk and we put the information there or uh go ahead and talk individually to you
guys. So I'm not sure who you talk to individually, but these are the people who have gone to the clerk. Uh Captain Richard Black, Mark Cockerham, Elizabeth Jolan, Lorie Loland, Bernie La, Jerry
Oathy, and Joe Roth. they have submitted to the clerk their interest in there's no real formal application. These are the names that have submitted just I think most of you know most of the people on this list. In addition, uh Councilwoman Gillis mentioned some names that I've shared with some of you as far
as showed an interest too and some of them have contact you all directly. So I think we have a pretty good pool. >> Did you read off Bernie's name? >> Yes. Oh, I miss >> Richard Black, Mark Cucker, Cockerham, Elizabeth Jillin, Lori Lelon, Bernie Laernie, Jerry Oathy, and Joe Roth.
>> Very good. >> And so each of you will have one appointment. That's your prerogative. Who whoever you want to appoint, you can. And then the remaining two will be via the majority vote of uh of the council. >> Okay. >> How will that vote go? >> Uh it'll be well, we'll have to we're going to have to decide. I mean, do we
want to do it? Uh I mean, we don't have to decide tonight. you think about it between now and and Thursday or we can decide tonight. It can either be done, somebody makes a motion, I'm I'm make a motion to appoint, you know, Jane Doe and if there's a second and then we would have
a vote or you all can do it by ballot if you'd like if there's a limited number. Um, as a reminder, we would have to it would be a written ballot. You'd have to have your name on it for public records purposes. Um, we can talk about what's what you guys what you all prefer, but there's there's no one way to do it.
Whatever works works for best for you all on this one. I was kind of thinking that each of us would submit two and find out if we've got a majority that way for the two at large. >> Yeah. Similar to what we did with two names who overlaps.
>> Yeah. So, we have to know who who everybody's appointing before we submit those names because if if Sharon picks somebody as her appointee that I was going to put on my my list, you
know, I need to have to find another name. So, we can do that at the meeting. So we would suggest we would each nominate our our personal pick which then would narrow that field down possibly of who's going to be on the list >> and then each of us my suggestion would
be each of us pick two count do a ballot on those and if we have a majority there not then we narrow it down. >> Okay. Do you want to set a deadline before the meeting to submit your Do you want to submit your five at the meeting or do you want to set a deadline of to
submit it to the clerk by say, you know, Thursday at 100 p.m. or 2 p.m. get who you're individually appointing, not the the two >> would would council know ahead of time of at
if if that deadline is one o'clock, would at 2 o'clock I know who Don's appointing? I I would assume. Yeah. I mean I if everybody got there time >> if he and I picked the same person as our individual employee uh appointees.
We've got to one of us has got to pick somebody else. >> Well, I'll have maybe just go in with an alternative. >> Well, I can we can do that >> or we can wait until the meeting. >> I would say let's wait till the meeting because I don't want to I don't want to run the risk of it being a cross
sunshine communication or potential for that. So what's on second? >> Yeah. So we we'll just do it at the meeting then. >> What's on second? >> Just just to be clear, what I think I may hearing is that maybe at the beginning of the meeting, you pick the atlarges first. Each one of you puts in
two names. For example, if there's a consensus, let's say there's one person, then you don't have to then then you have you still have your individual appointment. So you're saying you want the individuals first. I just want Absolutely. Do the individual. >> So you make the five appointments first. >> Individual first. that whoever didn't get one five, then you take majority
vote for the other two. >> That's right. Okay, >> that's right. >> Okay. >> Now, I I I plan on walking in with three or four names. >> Our planning director wants to weigh in. Look at he's ready. >> Not on this, but I just wanted to indulge you for a when you have a minute. >> You want to what?
>> Just indulge you for a couple minutes when you have a second. >> Second. >> Yeah, go on. >> Only if you're done with what you're talking about. >> Put the timer on, Mark. I'm just >> Well, I I just want to um go back to the afteraction report for a minute if you if you don't mind. Um, so, um, in our
director's meeting today, I think there was a little a little bit of confusion, not necessarily about the formatting, but about the content and what you wanted to see on that report, whether it be um, if you're looking for just council directed actions or um, like if
Ron asked me to do something um, do you want me to put that on there as well? if it wasn't coming from council, do you want things that have already been completed on there so that you can see like um actions so you can say give us all like attabo like those kinds of
things like I like like I don't know what like we were confused as to what your you wanted to be a similar um topics as to what was on the previous one which were specific council directed by a majority or consensus of council members. Is that what you're looking at?
>> There always needs to be a consensus of council. You think we need to Just wanted some clarity on that and >> for that direction I that's what I think it needs to needs to come from the body as a whole. >> Okay. >> Uh and and then when the item's done and closed and we know it's closed, make it go away. I don't want to see
>> and that was before it would stay on. So we just wanted some clarity on that. >> I don't want to see it stay on. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Perfect. Thank you. >> Yes. You're very welcome. Okay. Is there a motion to adjourn? >> He just put in a form. >> Uh yes. Mr. Mr. Liro would like to speak
about the after action. >> Well, you're kind of out of out of Go on, Bernie. It's early. >> It's It's >> I'm not used to being on this >> but I'm not doing but I'm already told I'm not doing this Thursday. There's some ball game that people want to watch or something. So,
>> I when when they talked about afteraction meeting on Tuesday, I think Don is aware of this. That's what we used to do. And uh what happened was at least for me Charles would when I wasn't the manager it was Charles and he would
say okay last night were you all collectively what came out of that so he started a list I can tell you is that list when I became manager got bigger and bigger and bigger >> well you should have gotten things done
>> but I couldn't find the building official I didn't know where he >> No but all I'm saying is you got to be real careful careful with with action item lists because they tend to be a a beast unto themselves. So maybe uh
limiting the number and get so much quote done. Ours wasn't necessarily to get things done. Ours was to just to see if all the other employees that were at the meeting heard something that maybe I didn't or Charles didn't hear that the council would want and then of course
that would be put on agenda etc etc. So that that's all I wanted to say about that. >> Thank you, Bern. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> So moved. Okay. Thank you so much. Meeting's adjourned.