You guys ready? We ready? You are. You're the boss. Good evening everyone. Welcome to our council meeting for the month of September. Miss Mary, would you call the role please? Council member Steve Freriedman here. Council member Deb Gillis
here. Council member Anna Richard here. Vice Mayor Don Horton. I'm here. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney here. We have a quorum. Diane, would you lead us in the pledge? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Okay. Council agenda, deletions, emergency requests. Don, I'm going to start with you.
Yeah. I've got one I'd like to add on to mayor and council discussion if I uh could, mayor. It's about um to see if I can get a consensus amongst the council to speak for the council at the VOCC meeting tomorrow. Okay. Thank you,
Deb. Yes. I've got uh I'd like to pull tab 4 out of the consent agenda for a very very short conversation. And I'd also like to request um public comment for tab one.
Okay. Tab one. Okay. You want to do tab four in the mayor communication? Is that okay with you? And I don't care where we do it. I just want to pull it out of the consent. Steve, nothing for me. Anna, nothing for me. Okay. All righty. Let's start with
reports, presentations, and announcement. Where's our good friend who I hear dinging in the middle of the night from? Good evening, council, and the public. My name is Aaron Cutler. Uh I'm the project manager for the Florida Keys
Aqueduct Authority on the Plantation Key transmission main project. So I'm here tonight to give you guys an update on a current status of the project and I can answer any questions too on noise and we've had a lot of that lately. So
you got to do Okay. So as I'm going to try this am I hitting the wrong button? There we go. Okay. So, everybody by this time you guys know who we are. I won't run through that.
Am I still hitting the wrong? Which way? Which way should I point this? That way. Yeah. Okay. I went too far. That worked. Worked too good. All right. So, there's a map if everybody can see that. But basically what we're doing here, we've divided the project for this
transmission pipeline into these color sections. Um, you'll notice on the map there's that teal area that's at the Tavern Creek crossing. Obviously, that went in back in May. Um, I'm bringing that up to the council's attention again tonight and the public just because you
guys will remember from that time period the traffic situation. Um, just to get that pipe to cross the ta through the Tavern channel there, we had to set up traffic control and MOT all the way almost through that orange area and the red area up top. Um, we're going to be
approaching soon, which I'm going to talk a little bit about tonight. Um, that area again, but now instead of crossing with the directional drill under the channel, we have to put in the main line, the steel pipe up to where we already laid that crossing. So,
currently, if you look at the map in the pink area, um, right there in the middle of that is basically where our pipeline crews are. Um, just to to remind everybody from the beginning, this particular transmission main replacement project includes around a little bit
over 34,000 linear feet of the new transmission pipeline. Um, as of this week, we have right at 18,380 ft installed. So, we're just over halfway done with the project. We're
right at 55%. Um, everybody's, I'm sure, drives through the MOT zone on a daily basis, but that, um, MOT or the end of our pipe is basically approaching um, it's just north of High Point Road. Um, Old Road
Gallery. It's it's just south a couple hundred feet south of Old Road Gallery. And, um, so our current projection, which I'll go into a little bit more of, this is the key area for us really is Woods Avenue. That's where the schools are going to be most impacted. And we're
working with the Department of Transportation right now to get an approved traffic control plan. We're looking to be there just really kind of right into that orange area with the mainline pipe. Late October, like October, week of October 24th is
currently when we're planning to be at that location. And I'm going to talk a little bit more about that here in a minute. Okay. So, I mentioned the pipe footages, um, where we're working at, and then early October, we have Plantation Keys School
first, as you know, before we get up to the high school there. And for that, we're we're already coordinating meetings with the school, with the principal. Um, that one's a little bit less of a challenge just because the school's on the opposite side of when we're laying pipe and we don't really
see many issues with getting the buses and everybody in and out of there. um unlike the other, you know, once we get up to Woods Avenue, it's going to be a little bit more challenging, but we already have meetings actually scheduled next week um or we're putting in place for the Plantation Key School just so we
have early coordination so that when we reach that area that everybody's prepared. Um like I mentioned previously, late October is going to be the plan for Woods Avenue. Um, we've had several meetings with the Department of Transportation to We've actually also,
which I've never had, we've never had to do this, but we've actually redesigned and shifted alignment on a lot of our pipe just to make sure we can facilitate the least amount of traffic impacts as possible. So, um, you know, you guys can
kind of see that the the new pipe is really in the northbound lane of the road. And once you get I'll go back to the map for a second. Once you get into that area in the orange, you there's a lot of curves and and there's connections we're making. So, it's hard. The pipe can't just stay in the one lane. And then we have existing
utilities in place. So, we've really had to we've spent months doing this, shift the pipe around. Um DOT has basically told us, hey, unless you guys can find a plan to get the um keep one northbound lane open. If you guys remember from the
directional drill, we were able to keep one northbound lane and then the two southbound lanes. Without that, they were basically saying that we're we would have to go back to the drawing board and find find another way to do this or they would shut us down every day and try to figure out how to and it would just I mean a lot of this is is
cost driven. it would cost millions to like do it as slow as they wanted us to do it. So, we've now came up with a plan that they like. Um I think we've had our last sequence of several meetings with them this past Friday and we're at the point there's some minor corrections,
but it's it's back to our um traffic engineers hands. Um and we're scheduling on the 15th to already start meeting with the superintendent, law enforcement, and just and start laying out what our plan is. Now, we've been telling them since May kind of when
we're coming and keeping them updated, but just so the public and the council understands, you can kind of plan for that last week of October from Woods Avenue up to we're thinking if if things go as planned, we could be done Thanksgiving, that month, and be up to
Taer Bridge where we have to connect. Now, there's going to be connections and a little bit of cleanup after that, but our goal is within that time frame to get all the mainline pipe, which is going to be the most amount of traffic impacts, but it's, you know, October is going to be a tough traffic situation,
similar to what you guys had to deal with back in May and April. And then, um, so we have several meetings with law enforcement and the schools as I mentioned, and we're going to have a lot of just specific materials. We also are going to get
feedback from the schools and seeing how we can help with getting the information out to the public. We're going to have law enforcement um at intersections. I think we have um aotted at least three Monroe County Sheriff's Office where key intersections that need to be part of
the problem I think you guys seen before was the people that go through old highway and try to cut back into traffic. A lot of times that causes more of a mess and more backups. Um, so we're going to have some deterrence from that with the with the police officers on site as well
and and the back the back of it. Okay. Um, so traffic control plan, it's going to be the same zone that 30,000 zone. It's about 5,000 ft to get to where Woods Avenue is to where we
need to connect on Tavern. So it's about a mile there um to get that installed. just uh they're going to restrict some of the left-hand turns through the zone. Now, when we did Island Marada and Windley Key, FDOT would not allow that at all. So, we would have these th000 ft
zones that were just solid and the only place they allowed, I think, was the Publix that you could cut through. Um they've been a little bit more lenient here because there people have have watched it and seen the traffic situation. Um, we're assuming that there, you know, they're going to close it all the way, but if there's key
entrances is for the bus, some of those will be open, I think, like Bessie and, um, Royal Poniana and and I'll we'll lay out the whole plan with everybody, I think, at our next meeting. But, um, some of those key intersections they'll leave open, but they really want to keep people from trying to cross through the
zone. You know, northbound traffic wanting to go over to a business on the southbound side is going to have to go up, turn around. So, they're really going to um enforce that heavily in come October. This is kind of just a diagram of that. I'm sure everybody understands. But what
what we're trying to do is, you know, obviously if you're heading north, you have to get all the way through that construction zone and not cut through because it's a safety issue for the other drivers, but it also people wait and and it backs everybody up. So, if everybody goes all the way through the zone, turns down a side street,
sometimes you can turn around on a highway, you can turn around on another side street. We don't want people doing U-turns in the middle of the road, but this is the diagram that we're sharing and and it's it's from FDOT. So, it's very important. Um, we're continuing to
with our public information team. Um, they're reaching out to businesses a week or two in advance and just already kind of looking at specific situations for access. I mean, there's people that have deliveries at certain times of night. We go as far as meeting with them
on site with the contractor just to ensure sometimes there's even flaggers provided to make sure their deliveries can get in. We're doing everything that you can imagine to keep businesses impacted the least amount as possible. Now, I know that doesn't avoid impacts.
Um there are times with this being a moving operation. For the most part, we're able to get the pipe in and have everything paved within 2 weeks um in front of the business. And that's usually includes the as well. So it's going to be a little bit different from March, April, May where we were just
parked and took up the whole entire span. This is going to be like a a 2,000 to 3,000 ft moving operation. And once it's through, then it's you won't see the big traffic impacts anymore. Okay. And and the one thing with that, we we
like showing this slide because it just gives a little bit of an illustration on what has to happen. A lot of times people see the big equipment come through and then that's supposed to end, but they still have to pave the road and then they come back and they have to test everything, get it cleared for
service before they connect. So when you see construction equipment come back, especially if you have like a master meter, there's a couple of them across from Founders Park here, that that's those areas have to be connected to the pipe. So this follow-up work after the mainline pipe is installed in those
areas. Um we do have a approved hurricane plan. We're continuing to monitor every storm. So far, we've looked really good this season, but we have a plan to get everything in place and tied down. Keep in mind, we've been working here for, you know, this is like our third year on
doing these transmission main projects. Um, so we've had to enact this plan a couple times, but so far so good. With that, that's all I had tonight. I wanted to open up first to the council if you guys had any questions for me. Anybody have anything? Deb, Don, Anna,
Steve? Uh, yeah. Erin, are have you begun talks with PKS and Coral Shores yet? Yes, sir. So, we next week Thank you. Just confirming. Yeah, we we started early discussion just to answer give you a better answer
on that. We started early discussions back in May when we knew what time frame the contract because we were first expecting to be there like right when school started and we were like, "Oh my goodness, how are we going to do this like right when they're starting school?" Um, fortunately, I think
unfortunately for the contractor, they actually worked themselves out of material. They used up every steel pipe. So they went through a period where they couldn't get enough pipe. The steel manufacturers couldn't keep up with them. So we're back in a good track where they've got a backlog of material and it looks like it's going to happen
that um second to last week of October is really we have a clear picture now. So we've been doing more specific meetings with them and we have meetings scheduled next week for that um the plant the elementary school as well as Coral Shores High School. I'm just wondering if there's going to be any deviation on the schedule once you get
up there in terms of school hours, you know, the drop off, pick up, that kind of thing. So, what they've shared with us thus far is because we the communication has been so um you know, it's been there. They said they'll do whatever works to kind of keep things moving. They they're kind
of playing it by ear. I think they shifted a little bit on the bus schedule the last time around. So, that's going to be one of the topics that we discuss, but we've been assured by Patrick that um he can make adjustments if need be. Now, that's we don't want to do that
unless we have to. We want to roll out our plan and explain how we're keeping the buses, keeping the key intersections, all the school drop off pickup locations should be intact. And we've we've came up with this plan to make it so that they don't have to shift anything. So, hopefully that's the case.
But they're ready if need be. Okay. Anybody else? Anything? Thank you very much. I think you guys are doing a great job. I really appreciate the support. Seriously. And and we'll be here I think next month at the next meeting. I'll give you a little glimpse of the traffic control plan. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Okay. I hope I say your name right. Alana Dixon. Elena. Elena. Darn it. Had a 50/50. Come on up. she is going to uh talk about diaper needed awareness week September 15th
through the 21st. Yes. So na national diaper need need awareness week is a nationwide uh awareness program to bring the um bring light into the need in our community and nationwide as many as one in two
families are unable to afford diapers and that's where the coalition helps we step in and help provide diapers for families. so they can go to work, they can buy food, they can pay their rent because they don't have to worry about diapers. And so that's why we um ask for
the support of Monroe County and the village to help us bring awareness to this because we have lots of families in the village that we support. Does anybody have any questions for her? No. I appreciate what you do. Marne has the proclamation if you'd like to give
it to her, please. And we thank you very much for what you do in the community. Thank you so much. Thank you. Carolyn Wrightman, parks and wreck update. Golly,
you say that and like it's a bad thing. She wants She wanted to go first. We get a we get a minute of gratitude for this beautiful park that we get to celebrate with thanks to our founders who had the vision. And if you just look around and
we see all the activities and things that are going on, I think we got something to be really proud of. Um, first of all, I want to um our our last meeting was the 21st of August, and just
in case anybody wonders, it started at 5:00 and we finished at 7:45. and we had members of the council and and the manager attending and so it's
there's been a lot of activity doing what can be done with the citizens to support the things that are going on around. So, and I also want to take the opportunity to thank Maria and Alicia and and uh Annie from the staff because
they do such an outstanding job of taking care of things here and also helping us with our committee meetings. Um, we have a couple of things coming up. Uh, there's a swim meet tomorrow and it's kind of nice to know that those things are going on if you feel like
stopping by the pool. And we know that kickball and some other activities are starting for our fall, but probably the most notable one right now is the swim for Alligator Lighthouse. And we look at the middle of our crest. And this is the
swim not just to Alligator Lighthouse, but swim for Alligator Lighthouse. And this project started um I'm going to say 10 years ago and I may be off by a little, but it's a project that's designed to celebrate the fact that our
local friends of the pool group actually created the the uh the the the opportunity for us as locals to own that lighthouse. And so this is a celebration of that. Um the swim for the lighthouse
is known to be one of the top I would say 10 open water swims anywhere. And if we think about what we get to celebrate swimming to alligator and back that's uh it's it's known internationally. And as a result for the swim that's that's this
Saturday. There are currently 325 swimmers, 200 plus kayaks that are coming from 30 states and five countries just to be participating. So if anybody wants to
come down, they'll be checking in on Friday and on Saturday they swim from um they swim from down at uh what's the hotel? Marqu is where they're swimming from now. Yes. And it's a it's a four miles
to the lighthouse and four miles back. So it's a total of an eight 8 mile swim. Some people are doing it as a relay where the kayaker trades off with the swimmer. So they're all different kinds of combinations. Um but if you'd like to
just come down and be part of it, you can come down Friday. They're getting ready. Saturday will be the swim that starts in early in the morning. and uh and come down and see people come in and just uh hopefully the weather just two
or three years ago the the wind was the swim out and back was fine for the first few groups and then the wind came up and by the time they were finished there were I don't know over a hundred people that ended up down at Bud Mary's because
of the wind changing and those who finished ended up swimming like 9 miles plus because of that. So, it's a it's an exciting local event that I think celebrates something. It's important for us. So, our last meeting um a lot of
topic on the baseball field obviously, but here's what's important about this. The I believe that the manager is going to be bringing to the council the updated report at the next council meeting. All of this has to do with the
agreements on what's being done. And people get to remember this is not for this year's baseball season. This is beginning next year. So all of these refinements and things are in the future. Um, one of the things that the
manager has discovered is that there's an existing building that may be able to be revised and fixed and could significantly decrease the actual cost of from the school board. And I'll let
you maybe fill in or clean that up um, Ron if if necessary. Um, but uh, that's the update on the park itself. Now, one of the big conversations has to do with the turf and we have we have we are
postponing any further conversation about that. There was a wonderful about whether it's artificial turf or natural grass and there are obviously a lot of considerations. One of them um certainly will be
impacting a local budget from whoever. But the other analogy that I thought was very appropriate was when there are conversations about artificial turf, it's kind of like talking about telephones. Those of us who remember
Blackberries and those of us who have um an i617 or whatever that there's a huge variation in technology. So until there is actually a vendor selected that would
be a prospective person or group to do the artificial turf who would do the be the ones to answer the actual questions um rather than you know speculation. that conversation is being postponed
right now and so that takes a little bit of pressure off but it doesn't mean that that's not an active part of the conversation. So um most of the topic of the meeting was a presentation by Miller Le um just kind of updating what had
already been presented. But one of the things that came out of that was a specific reminder and request that there be progress in transferring public works from its current location to another
location behind the office or in the hill or wherever whatever property there might be because any expansion of recreational facilities is obviously impacted by having the fact that public works is back there. So that was an
ongoing conversation. Um and I think that's um the only other thing is I don't believe that it's final the the final report is in but the pool will be um re it will be redone. There are
contract things going on and that probably will be after the first of the year. The pool's 25 years old. It just needs to be redone and that's going to be a project that's going to be I don't know three months, four months, two, I
don't know, whatever. But it's just kind of a heads up for us to know that that will be something that'll be coming up. So, is there anything else that I missed? And perhaps those of you that were at the meeting or um Ron, do you
want to add anything or clean anything up? Great job. Anybody have anything for Carolyn before we thank you very much for your time and your effort? Appreciate you. Mr. Dully, would you like to come up?
And I didn't skip over you. She asked to go first, so no problem. Want to clear that up. No worries. I was not offended. Ladies first, for sure. Good evening, council, madame mayor. Thank you for uh doing what you do. Uh my name is Greg
Dully and I'm the chairman of the land acquisition committee. Uh we're here to just give you a brief report. I know you guys got a lot of things to discuss tonight. Um we've been work I gave you a handout. We've been working on a list of about 800 parcels over the last three years that we had identified. Um last
year we narrowed them down to about 68 parcels that we thought were of value. Uh and then so far this year, we've narrowed it down those 68 to the top three parcels that I think the uh committee should I'm sorry, the council should consider. Um, we were given a
budget last year of a million dollars, uh, which we did not use, and I'll explain to you that why in a few minutes. Um, and we're hoping that maybe you'll allow us to keep that and move it forward. Um, the three properties that we identified, the one is just north of here. Um, it's owned by Marker 87.5
Enterprises LLC. Um, it's a large hammock area. Um, it's located between Pippen Drive and Royal Lane, if you know where that is. Um, we selected it because it's got a it's a large property. It's got high quality hammock. Um, and it's ideal for preservation. Um,
it's 3.45 acres of property. Um, the county assessment on it is $27,000 right now. Next property that we'd like to acquire is the David Vans property. Um, that is the property that's located uh adjacent
to the CVS. Um, if you pull into the CVS parking lot, there's that wooded area to the right. It kind of creates a buffer zone between the residential area. If you look on the map that I provided you guys, um, the concern there is, you know, potentially CVS could buy it and
expand on it. Um, it is high medium to high quality hammock and, uh, we think it's a realistic purchase. Uh, and so that's our second choice to present to you guys. And then our third choice we narrowed it down to is the S Samurai
Construction LLC. Uh that's a little property. It's in between the Lynhof room uh Lindhof Lindhome roofing building. Um and then to the south of that as the highway goes um the village own already owns those two other parcels
for preservation. So um again it's a realistic purchase. Um, and these are our top three that we think we should move forward with. Um, do you guys have any questions on those three parcels or anything that we've
presented or any of the work that we've done? Don, I see you pulling your mic. I just uh thank you for the presentation. I had one question on on number two uh property number two. If you looking at the area, it looks like there's a structure or a a disturbed area off of
Adocado. Is that is there an old house there or something? There is a house there. And that's why, you know, one of our factors in considering it is one to, you know, prohibit CVS from expanding on it and and destroying the hammock there.
Um, and to keep that buffer zone there because yeah, there is there is residential there in that. Is it is it a habitable structure? Um, Peter, you've No, there's no there's no structure on that. It's not there anymore. Okay. So, it's just it's just cleared property next door.
Oh, it's the one next door that has a Okay. Okay. Any other questions? Thank you. You have anything, Deb? Um, I just like to add one thing. So, we know you guys are going through the budget things, so we're not sure if
we're going to get reallocated that million dollars, which we were hoping to purchase with that. Um, we didn't spend that money last year, just so you know, we weren't sitting on our laurels. Our plan then that the council approved was to put that money towards a Luan fee program that we had uh suggested um
where, you know, going around and acquiring lots that can be combined and and giving them a small sum to give up their building rights on that property. the village staff met with the county and uh to discuss those things and the less fee program um for the purchase of
development rights from vacant parcels in the village. The steps to implement the program are on hold due to a lack of current staff support. Uh planning assistance is needed to conduct review of the official village records to demonstrate property rights for sale. So that money that project was put on hold
uh until further notice. So that's why that money wasn't spent. Um, just to mention in passing, uh, after speaking with the county land authority, they are currently looking at the acquisition of three properties in Island Marada now. So, um, so I just wanted to update you
on that. Our hope is that you guys would give us the million dollars and roll it over to this year. I don't know if that's going to happen. U, but at the very least, maybe start the process of finding out if we can acquire these properties. perhaps getting um uh not a
a u evaluation on it, a appraisal um and get the ball rolling, reach out to the uh to the owners of those properties and see if they'd be willing to sell them. Go ahead, Deb. So, yeah, there's um there's some money left in that fund that uh appraisals
could be done with. uh and with the idea that when and if we find out some more money in our um discretionary sales tax it would be eligible to buy property with. So um that's
the way it looks right now and the committee wanted to show that they've actually done so I I'm the leazison to that committee. Um and uh so they they have tried to narrow this down to three properties at least something to start
with and and keep in our our list of things to do. Anna. Yeah. Property number one is listed. There's a for sale sign out in front of it. Do we know how much it's listed for? I think they're asking a million for it. Okay. Um, so as you probably know, we can only
offer them what the appraisal comes back at. So, but we feel that they may consider it. Um, but again, we would need y'all's consent to uh move forward with that. Steve, do you have anything for Greg? Um, I'm right across the street from
number two. So, I mean, that's uh I'm right across the street from CVS, my building. So, it's uh it's really nice to look out my window and see all the hammock and everything. Yeah, it really is. So, I'm glad that's on the list. I'm waiting for the day when I get to see that cleared. I don't want it to happen.
So, um I appreciate what you guys are doing greatly. We think that these properties, the three of them, the acquisition costs would be realistic. So, that's why we've narrowed it down. That was one of the criteria. Um and we've deemed them as the best to preserve at this point. Um, so
Ron, will you check our piggy bank to see what we got in it? Go ahead. We did leave enough in there that was a conscious decision to do appraisals. Uh, we didn't leave all the whole fund there, but we didn't go zero because we did want to have the appraisal process
available to us. Uh, we're still obviously looking to see what that these three properties uh, leave them on the market a little bit and see if they get any offers from the private sector, but uh, we're going to also look at any grant opportunities that we can. We have our our Lankton Associates, our grant
consultant, looking for any land purchase grants that we can also look at. That'd be great. Anything else for Mr. Dely? No. Great job. Thank you very much. Thank you, Grace. And last but not least, Diana Harbaugh
for the Nearshore Water. Hi, council. I'm Diane Harbaugh, the chairman of the Nearshore Water Committee. Unfortunately, I was not able to attend our meeting on July 29th, but I am here to give you our report. Uh, Lieutenant Sprinkle updated the new
sheriff's boats in the water and that they were actively prepared for lobster season and they did a great job during lobster season and we thank them so much for that. Um, he noted that the Monroe County Sheriff's also posts frequently,
which if you aren't on social media, they post a lot of social media stuff about people they're finding doing bad things, and they post good things, too. So, um, if you're not doing that, look at the MSCO, uh, Facebook. It's got an Instagram. It's got some a lot of good
stuff in it. Uh, Deputy Jason Far attended the meeting via Zoom as well. The committee continues to work towards a holistic management approach for Isa Marada's nearshore water and there's more to follow. We're working on it. We
updated um we were updated on our request with staff to work in conjunction with Ligumide State Park to make Starks Wheel Ditch a slow speed minimum wake zone. The map has been drafted. The ordinance will be presented at the next village council meeting
tonight. Permitting can be submitted once the ordinance has passed. It is expected to take a minimum of 6 months beyond that time to get permitted implemented and it might take longer. Uh the committee is in full support of this
slow speed designation. I just want you all to know that there's one other thing on the agenda tonight about some nearshore stuff that wasn't presented to us. So y'all are on your own on that one. Uh the committee discussed the new national marine sanctuary blueprint that
is now in place. We intend to ask a member of SAC or Noah to provide an update on the new regulations at our next meeting which is in October or possibly even come before council and do a um you knowformational.
Um, Alyssa relayed that recent updates from the SAC meeting and that the restoration blueprint is in effect in federal waters, but the governor vetoed all the affected state water. The sanctuary resources are updated to
reflect the changes as of March 5th. Higherups at Noah are determining now if the restoration blueprint no longer reflects the initial intentions and if they're deciding how they want to resin the plan, change the plan. so they can
work better with the state. Um so any state regulation that was in place prior to that is still in place um through the sanctuary plan before but it's kind of an enforcement issue as well. Currently,
the Tair Creek extension zone, which is from the corner with the last house on it going towards the bay all the way to the first channel marker, is in the review process. And that is coming along and is going to be happening. It has been confirmed that there were signs in
San Pedro Lake. We had a a person on Woods Avenue that asked us to look into that because there is some jet ski activity tearing up the bottom. Some people going in there with boats that are shouldn't be going in there and they're worried about the bottom. So, we
went and looked at it. There are signs, but we've got to try to get to them because they've fallen over and see if what exactly was going on with that. So, we're looking into it. Um, I don't intend to stay for what the upcoming stuff, but if you guys have any
questions for me, please let me know. And that concludes my report. Uh, anybody have anything for Diane? No. No. I sit on that committee with you guys. Thank you so much for that. No, you guys have great suggestions. You've made progress. They do a really
good job. It's very impressive. Thank you. Good job. We're a great committee because it's very diverse and I love Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Thank you very much, Diane. Okay, Don, you want me to start with you under mayor council communication?
Um, thanks, mayor. Um, you know, tomorrow the county commission is going to be discussing the uh possibility of them approving or not for laning US1. And I think our focus for us, I I don't
know how the rest of the council feels. I haven't spoken to y'all, but I think it'd be t terrible uh for the businesses for all of the DOT ever even thought about fourlaning US1 uh from where it stops uh
up there by Captain's Craigs uh all the way down through the rest of Alamrada. So, I was uh just thinking that uh I plan on attending and I was uh wanted to see if there was an appetite for the council for me to be able to speak on
behalf of the council unless all four of us are going to go and uh um uh you know just simply explain to them if I can as a voice of one for the council that uh we're not in favor of or if y'all aren't uh in favor of forlaning US1. I think
it's going to affect um many more businesses than has been reported by another county commissioner. I think it's in excess of of 50 businesses. Um we've got enough trouble with parking and we're going to talk about parking tonight in Alamrada um a little bit and
we've got enough trouble. These businesses rely on that parking. Um it's not harmful to anybody. I haven't heard of anybody backing into the middle and getting whacked by a a Mac truck. And I just don't think that the the um the county commissioner should get in the
business of telling DOT it's okay for u them to think about forlaying through Marada. Now, if the DOT wants to spend that money, perhaps they can calculate what it is per uh mile uh to forlane that road and
they can grant us that amount of money so that we can put in some kind of internal um transit system in Alamra that can take some of our traffic off of the road and help alleviate some traffic issues here on our own. But we don't
need the county commission or we don't need DOT coming in here destroying our village. And so I'd like to see if I can have permission to speak for this council at the county commission meeting tomorrow. Thank you. Well, um I'm going to jump in here that I'm one of the businesses it would
greatly affect. It would it would basically wipe out all of Marada. I mean, and uh I'm not there's today I've met with a whole bunch of the people who own businesses down there and it would destroy all Marauder where we just would
be a place where people drive through to go to Marathon in Key West. There won't be anywhere to stop. There won't be anything. And I may have little more like 5 10 feet. I could open my door and throw something out of it maybe. But there's places like Ziggies, like Green
Turtle, like Midway Cafe, who will literally be gone if we do this. And I I reached out to a county commissioner today who I thought would return my phone call, and clearly he didn't want to. So, uh I'm questioning uh his
reasoning for speaking for us when I don't think they have the right to do it. And yes, Don, I'm 100% behind you going there tomorrow because I we're not going to just let them do this. This is crazy. Not only the parking, but what do they do with the bridges? It back down traffic even worse
if you got to merge back to two lanes. It's I wonder how they even thought of it. So, there's yes for me, Deb. Well, it's a yes for me, but the ordinance uh that they've got in front of them is actually for unincorporated.
Um but that being said it's it's for unincorporated. It's not it's but it will affect Marada. And there is question and I don't know whether I asked John earlier. I don't know whether you got an answer of whether or not the
county's comp plan trumps our comp plan. Um I don't think so. Did you find an answer? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that it would in this respect. Yeah. Okay. Um, DOT can trump our stuff, but I don't think the county can. But I I I I
don't approve of this. And yeah, it's it would um it would take out several businesses. I I think I agree with you. It's upwards of 50. Um, and there are studies out there that actually say that
even though you expand the road to help the traffic, it doesn't necessarily help the traffic because there's just more cars on the track there. So, it goes right back to where it was in a short period of time. It helps for a short period of time, but not in the long run.
Um, so yes, um, I I wouldn't mind you speaking on our behalf that I think they need to think about this. Uh I also I did speak to one of the county commissioners that did answer the call, a different person probably. Um and part
of I I understand part of their reasoning is that they can't they can't do anything even about the bridges um widening the bridges because they have it in their code that they can
expand the lanes. So, they need the the studies and stuff in order to do that. The DOT won't even do the studies if it's still in their code. So, I understand where they're coming from, but it's going to put Island Marati in a very bad position. Um, everything north
of us and Taanir, I believe, is already two lane or four laned. It's from us south uh until you get to Marathon and then farther south than Marathon would actually affect. So, you have my support. In fact, you'll probably see me sitting next to you.
Thank you, Steve. Yeah, I appreciate Don bringing this forth. Um, I I fully support the idea of him coming and speaking on this. I plan on attend attending as well just to learn more about it, how it came about. I'm concerned that they're basing some of these traffic studies um from around
COVID time when traffic was uh at the least. And so, uh I'm interested in finding out more and appreciate Don stepping up and speaking for us. Okay, Anna, it's a yes for me. Go for it. I think some cars would be driving through the front doors of some businesses in Alamada.
Thank you. Okay. Okay. Um uh Deb, you asked for public discussion on the Angller's Way and that's it's okay. And uh um I think I want to do public discussion before I
jump in if we can do that. Does anybody want to Martney? Does anybody want to speak on it? Yes, I have uh several people who would like to speak. Um first up would be Ty Harris. Good evening everybody. Ty Harris, uh 110 Plantation Shores Drive, uh Tavir,
Florida. I represent the um Anglers Reef Property Owners Association. And just to kind of pick you up or refresh your memory, after the last meeting, we all sat here with sticker shock when we were presented a plan for parallel parking on
us on on old highway that would produce about 19 spaces at a cost of half a million dollars, our collective draws dropped and everybody thought, gee, that's not a good use of taxpayer dollars. My client doesn't want taxpayer
dollars to be used like that. And so the the point at that point there was a discussion about having a a meeting chaired by um the mayor and by the manager and that meeting occurred. And
at that meeting, we had the mayor, we had the manager, we had John on speakerphone, we had Jennifer, we had AJ, we had Sheila, I don't remember if we had um Peter or or Daniel, and we had Rob. And so we all sat down and
collectively for about an hour and a half uh went back to the drawing board to to think about a a more elegant solution uh that would not cost the taxpayers any money. And um one of those
proposals involves a a lease of the right of way in front of anglers. Now this may not be the perfect solution for everybody. It may not be the perfect solution long term, but it solves a
problem now and it solves a problem for Angller's um Angller's Reef and that would be to enter into a lease that could be terminated by either party in the future. Um that would allow them to make some modest improvements to that
area and and park there. A as part of that lease agreement, we would indemnify because remember the discussion about people backing out on old highway. So part of that lease requires us not only to pay for any improvements in the right
of way, but also to indemnify uh the village in case there is an accident and somebody was to pull out and and there would be an issue. You will notice that uh the agreement that that was drafted, there's no exhibit or
no exhibit A or B. And and that's because those all cost more money. And so I couldn't ask my client to to pay to survey out the right-of-way area um and and the money it would cost to do exhibit A and B until I knew that there
was direction from the village council for Ron and I and I to work together to finalize this and and and finish it up. So that's why you're you're missing A and B. It's not it's not a a oversight. It was deliberate because
there's no point in spending more money on this if that's not the the way we're going to go. And again, every island's different. The right of way, width of right ofway on every island is different. So, this may not be
the right solution for um Island Silver and Spice. If there's a decision to do paid parking there, maybe that is the place to do metered parking um or something else. But but for this area, this feels like the best solution to
solve this problem without costing the village any money. The village is going to make some money every month on on the lease. We're going to incur all the responsibility for um improvements and we're going to dimnify the village for any potential accidents that could occur
in in the leased area. So, that's all I have, but I really appreciate the mayor and and Ron and the whole team from um the the village getting together to kind of talk this through so we could come up with a solution that that would work. Thank you.
Thank you, Ty. Marne, next up is Dr. Ken Thomas. Thank you. My name is Ken Thomas and thank you for allowing me to appear here again. I've lived in Alam Marada for over 20 years. Previously appeared here in opposition to this proposal and this
agreement. My opposition is not only based on my PhD in finance, my teaching at Wharton, teaching at the University of Miami, but my 50 years of conducting feasibility studies for private and public entities, including Congress. This one-sided license and use agreement
for $500 per month for their parking is factually inaccurate. This agreement is not in the best interest of our health, safety, or welfare and has nothing to do with fire safety. There is no evidence of any kind of any public benefits other than the
testimony of the Anglers Reef HOA representative who owns two of the 52 units there. This agreement and proposal is solely for the welfare of those wealthy individuals. About half of them from New York, New Jersey, and other states. Remember, it's
a private gated community with 1.31 to $3 million homes, rent up to $900 a night that we can't even enter with our car, a bike, or a walk into it. The agreement and proposal is fiscally irresponsible with no public purpose.
With all due respect, I ask you to to look at the village mission statement on the wall. How is this enhancing our village character? It changes Windley Key's character to accommodate the rich. How is it preserving our community and natural resources? It paves over our
natural resources. How is this important our quality of life? Instead of green trees, we'll now be driving past black top and cars. Angller's Reef has always already benefited twice at our expense. First, they got the ability to cram in
52 units when it should been no more than 47. And second of all, we granted them a 600 ft rightway 17t wide in front of their property where they built the wall and cut off public access. We teach capitalism at Wharton. If you have a private problem, you find a private
solution. That's what Hog Heaven did. They bought the property next to them. Instead of using our resources, they have other options. For example, they could park on that 600 ft rightway we gave them. They could lease space from Hog Heaven. They could buy the 31,000
square ft lot for sale right near them for 2.5 million. They could buy that.7 acres and put over a 100 spaces there if they want. They could buy over buy and pave over some of their units that are for sale. The best solution at all comes from
their own HOA rules which state do not park on our private streets. Do not park on our private grass. Do not park in a neighbor's driveway. But it says it's okay to park extra vehicles outside the gates. If they have overflow parking, they should park on their private
streets. They should park on their private grass and they should park on their neighbors driveway, but not on our public median. This agreement and proposal sets a dangerous and costly precedent for other developments. Thank you. In summary, the richest 1% of tax raise
at the expense of the rest of us is not justified. There's no public purpose. If you would like more information, I could be reached at keenmia22gmail.com and I'll provide more information if anyone wants, including the bill.
Next is Nick Katana. Good evening, council. Madame Mayor, thank you for the time to address you. Uh, that's a great great speech to follow. I too studied under Dr. Jeremy Seagull. Um, I've been coming to the Keys since I was a kid. I have a home in
Anglr's Reef. I'm not mega wealthy. Excuse me. Can you say who you are, please? I'm sorry. Nick Katana. Nick Katana. So, I'm not mega wealthy. I'm not from New York. I grew up in Miami Beach and I've been coming to the Key since I was
a kid. My wife and daughters uh bought a house in Angller's Reef in 2012. My wife and I spent about half the year down here. We enjoy it thoroughly. When we bought down here, uh un the complex was already built, so I had nothing to do
with back in '08 when it was built. Uh, we were allowed to build 52 homes in there. We built 52 homes. Should it have been 47? Maybe. But we always had the implied ability to park overflow traffic outside. This is not a community that can afford
to spend $2.7 million on an empty lot next door. Um, it's not as rich as everyone says it is. A lot of the people that live in Anglers part-time. We are local. Um, we come down here all the time. We enjoy the community with our families, with our
friends. And the fact that we can't park our cars anywhere now is become a very big problem because now my kids are older. They still want to come to the Keys and enjoy it just like I did. Uh we cannot park on our private streets as the
gentleman stated because they are they they impede the right of way for emergency vehicles. That would be a disaster. So that's out of the question. and this 600 ft of frontage that's outside is built out and is already
there's nothing we can do with that. So for us to be able to park outside like we've been doing since 2008 and alleviate the village of the responsibility of doing so I I think is a a win-win situation for everybody.
There's 52 homes in there that pay a lot of taxes. We don't ask for, we've never really asked for anything from the committee and all we want to do is just park cars. We don't need 120 parking spots at Hog Heaven. We need about 12. There is no room in there to park even
12 cars on a holiday weekend. My family comes down for Thanksgiving. They come down for, you know, weekends when my kids are out of school and there's nowhere to park. So, I think the the proposal that's been put forward is is a workable proposal. But it's mutually
beneficial. It solves our problem. It takes the responsibility off the village and I I really hope that you guys, you know, approve this for us because I I think it's best interest for us. Um, obviously it's of selfish perspective. But yeah, I mean, you know, we've been
here, we pay our taxes, and it just it seems to be a fair thing to do. So, we really hope that you guys approve this and give us the opportunity to continue parking out there like we have since 2008. appreciate your time, Marne. Next up is Alan Zetic.
Hi, thanks for allowing us to speak tonight. I have uh two homes in Angller's Reef. I've been coming to Al Marada for 45 years. My cousin and I first started and then I talked my wife into doing so 30 years ago and we ended up buying two homes together. That was our big our big investment for our
family. We come down frequently. my my immediate family comes down, my kids, their kids now, uh 14 grandkids, they come down. Whenever we come down, there's always even with two driveways with places for four cars to park. There's not enough places to park. And I
never allow them to park on the street, although I'm sure my grandkids would if I wasn't there, you know, and I it's very dangerous. And regardless what he says, you can't turn a firetruck around in there with a truck car parked in the street. You can't even get around it. Uh sometimes contractors will come in and they'll park there and all of a sudden
I'll be in the house and I'll hear the horns beeping and I have to run out there and go, "Hey, you can't do this. You got to go outside." And they don't want to do it because they got to go get their tools. But it's just not necessary to uh it's not I'm sorry. It's not necessary. It's it's not possible to park there safely. Uh if it was,
everybody' be fine with it. We're not looking for anything special. We just want a place to park cars to get them off the road and be safe. So, thanks for your time. Thank you, Marne. Who's next? Uh, Scott Upstey. Hello again, uh, commission. Appreciate
you all, uh, working on this for us for a while now. It's been what, uh, 10 months that we've been asking trying to work something out. Uh, and this, as Tai had mentioned, I mean, this takes everything off the table for you guys. Uh, and I think Mr. Katana had pretty much answered
and most of the questions that had come up from somebody that was against this uh and with the old city manager and I know I don't know how many of you have visited inside Angller's Reef. I know the mayor has and you drive through our streets. There is nowhere to park. There's nowhere for us to develop to do
parking. We wouldn't be here if that was the case, right? Um we're still going to make it beautiful. It's going to be cars and landscaping. I mean, so I don't understand what the why somebody would have an issue with that. It's cars and
landscaping. And I mean, for over 15 years, it's just been cars and trailers looking like a disaster. So, let's beautify it. Let's put cars and landscaping there and make it look nice. I mean, and it's going to look nice when it's done. So, I appreciate everything you guys are doing and hope that we can
work this out and get this done because this is like our last straw. I mean, it's my kids come. There is nowhere to park. We're all feeling it. I it's it's picture yourself coming and and and inviting guests over and there's nowhere to park in the community. You're we're
we're frantically calling neighbors to use their driveways and trying to find other places to park. It's it's it's a disaster within the community and and we need help and we've been asking for 10 months now and I hope we can get this worked out. Thank you. Thank you very much, Marne. Anyone else?
Yep. Couple more speakers. Uh, next up is Jose Barros. Hi, good afternoon and Jose Barros and MD in Miami and live here too. And I'm from Angar Reef and really pretty much all my neighbors have been expressing that really what we want is just a place
that we could park, a place that we could bring our friends and our neighbors to share together. I mean it's a nightmare. I'm using here I not live in New York and here are local and we provide a lot of care. This is the time that we're coming for our families to
relax. We are coming to enjoy and really I mean it creates isolation. We don't have I could invite a friend to come to my house. I mean I have friends that live in in this area in in Venetian shores. I mean I they couldn't come to Angie because there is no place to
parking. I'm texting all the time my neighbors, hey could you borrow your parking? Can I borrow your park? I mean, that's I mean, that's not the way that we should be. We should come here, enjoy, relax, everybody as a good neighbor. And really, I don't I don't see that. I mean, we are not
millionaires. We are people that working, that provide a lot of support to the community. And that's basically what we need. You help. And I mean, and actually, we are proposing something that is going to be pretty. It's going to be useful. It's going to be good for
everybody. It's a win-win situation. There is nobody's going to be affected on that and I don't see what this cannot go through. But thank you so much for your time. I've been in the last meeting. I was a lot of time consuming. This is a more timeconuming. Thank you so much for you guys for what you do. Okay.
Thank you. Morning. Next up is Joe Wishmire. Yes, Joe Wisher. Plantation. Somebody left their glasses up here. Okay, I keep hearing the word there was a
problem. There isn't a problem. There is self-inflicted wounds here because we got greedy. We built more houses than maybe what we should have. I do remember the times where it looked pretty trashy out there because all the trailers were there and all. Just
because they've been illegally doing that since 2008 doesn't mean that they had permission or that they could do it. I believe that if you go ahead with this they're we all know what parking is like
especially in Isa Marada. If you open this up to one then other groups are going to say well why can't we do it? Why can't we do it? And then before you know it we've got all the right away. is going to just turn into nothing but a big parking lot. So, they knew what the
conditions were when they planned this. This should be a warning, especially to our planning department. Look, if it's not going to be enough parking, either build less houses or make arrangements for a parking area. So, because it's a
self-inflicted wound and the people who bought the houses, they knew how many parking spaces they were going to have. So they pretty much knew it was going to be an issue. So I feel their plight, but unfortunately it is what it is. So I would hope that you would say no and
just keep the village out of it. Thank you. Marty, is there anyone else? Um I have a hand that just went up on Zoom if you're uh willing to put that first. Okay, Lisa Bar, hold on just one second and I will get you ready to talk. Okay,
go ahead. You've got three minutes. Thank you. Um, thank you, Commissioner. I regret that I am not able to be there in person, and I truly appreciate everyone that has spoken up for the community so far. I am not a wealthy
millionaire either, and when we are there visiting, we love to have company over, especially our local family. So, I would ask that we please consider allowing parking back. When we purchased our house, we were allowed to park
outside of the community, which was very convenient. So, it would be great. This has been a long time in the works. It would be great if we could have that area back again. Thank you. Thank you, Lisa. Marty, anyone else?
Let me double check with Zoom one more time. Okay. No, ma'am. Okay. So, this is us deciding whether we're going to move forward or not. Does anybody have anything to say? Deb, do you have anything to say?
Yes. Um, does anybody want to go first besides me? Don, you want to go first? I'll go first. No, go for it. Go for it. Okay. So, the current owners, for the most part, I don't know how many of the current
owners have been there since the beginning. It's it it's they didn't plan this. This is it was built legal parking wise. All of that was legal. You know, when a unit was
supposed to have two parking spaces, it has two parking spaces. So, yeah, you've kind of bought into it. Um there's a variety of reasons why I would have to have a lot of other things happen before I would agree to this. Uh one uh on the
rightway usage. Um eventually hopefully we can get the bridges expanded or the drawbridge taken away and it's going to need long long approaches. They're going to want that. uh in when we were working
on comp plan ideas and things, we talked about that road along there um as well as other parts in Marada as a multi-use path uh to try to help alleviate some of that road traffic and put people on
bicycles and other things instead. um said the safety element of backing onto the road even though um I know we have to change uh our code in order to get there. Um it's it's still not going to be a good safety thing. It's still
going to be backing out onto the road and we see more traffic on it. I I think people aren't used to seeing um people backing out onto road there. I I suppose they've gotten used to it down
uh across from world, excuse me, worldwide, but I I worry about the safety thing. Um it's great that the Anglr's Reef is going to uh worry about
the insurance and and keep us safe as but let's talk about the people actually getting hurt. We don't want that. Um I think that that road along there is tryer high traveled at a higher speed than than um some of the other sections
of the old highway. Uh so def FOT we just talked about the fact that FOT is uh desiring to widen the road to help with our traffic issue. I'm not sure they're going to get that done,
but uh it it would make this really strange to to do this and then have that happen. Uh so we need to do what we can here in Alamrada to do
this the way and I I fully understand that this is just a um rough draft and that the attachments weren't included and all that. But there's lots of things in here like is it for vehicle parking only? How
about trucks? How about trailers? What it does the permit? What will the permit actually allow? The length of 25 years is way longer than I anticipated it being. And the renewal of 10 years after that
for an unspecified number of times, whether that's one or five or indefinitely, that's that's even more crazy. Uh, in a couple places in there, it talks about the vote of the council being a super
majority to revoke the 10-year periods. Um, does it take a supermajority to pass this? And if it doesn't, then why does it take a supermajority to remove uh a 10-year renewal? Should this super
majority be related to this initial vote? Um, can the village I think I found this answer in there, but I'll say it out loud anyway. Uh, can the village cancel with proper notice if we just want the
property back that we've decided it's not a good idea? Or do do we have to have what I'll call just cause that they've broken the rules of the area? Uh, is it exclusively for anglers parking? And how is that going to be
enforced? Uh, the $500 a month, that's approximately $10 per unit. Uh, that's pretty cheap parking. Uh, even at $20 because there was a possibility of raising that at $20 a month. That's pretty cheap
parking these days. Um, there's lots more questions about the lease, but as I said, I know it's a draft and there's no sense in nitpicking it when we're only working on a draft. Go ahead, Ron. Uh, I'm not done. Oh, okay.
Sorry. Um, does the village have a a vacant lot close to there that we could help with overflow in them leasing or renting a vacant lot as opposed to our rightway? Um,
there's there's there's the cost that we quoted about $500,000 to build the I thought it was 30 parking spaces, but somebody said 19 today. Um, I suspect you could do it for cheaper,
but they're still going to be required to pull a permit and meet all the codes, the building codes, uh, both the size, the storm water, the landscaping, the handicapping, the setbacks, the turning requirements. Um, you must stay out of
the DOT right away. And that's kind of there's enough space and there isn't. It's very borderline. Um, you can't build over the rightway or over the utilities that are in that area. Um,
there's 52 units in that complex. 41 of them are vacation rentals. One of them is homesteaded. So, that implies that 10 of them are second homes. Um, they were built with two parking spaces. They they were not built with
additional parking inside the the um complex. Um no fault of the current owners, but that's the fault of the builders, but it was built to code. So um
the you're you are exactly right about the driveway. It's not wide enough to park a car and then still have a driving lane or get an emergency vehicle. So, that is not an option. Um, the vacation rental parking ordinance
implies that you must provide spaces as it was in your vacation rental license approved. I have no idea what all of those units were approved for space-wise. um or you or you are to provide parking
elsewhere. So, there's something going on with the vacation rental licenses. There's several businesses along there that might take advantage. Uh one of the speakers spoke about the businesses taking advantage of it farther down. I think the one that probably would be
first on the list um would be Windley Key Trailer Park. They have always complained about not having enough parking. Uh then there's Sun Outdoors, Drop Acres, Fiser, Hog Heaven, the new affordable project
that's uh proposed to go into next to Fiser in uh Farther South, Chef Michaels, the two breweries, The Green Turtle, Lazy Days, several of the condos along the old highway, Papa Joe's, Worldwide Sportsman, The Moose. There's
lots of places in town that we don't have enough parking. There's been proposed that we do a parking study and see if we can figure out where we can find parking. Maybe we need to do that first. There's at least three, probably
more that I didn't think of that we have suggested when they would strongly suggested when they did upgrades uh to their businesses that they buy a lot. Uh that was Marker 88, the fishing club and
hog heaven. Um that's the only way we solve those problems is by finding another lot that we can park cars in. So at this point, I'm not in favor of this. Thank you. Now I'm done.
Ron, did you want to say something? Just a couple of points of clarification. Uh this proposal is from Ty Harris. This wasn't negotiated really because we didn't want to spend time just as Tai didn't want to spend money of his client uh doing studies or whatever. We didn't want to spend our
attorney's time negotiating something until we got direction from the council. So, that's one thing. a couple of terms in here. Some of the terms I think were put in there because there was an expectation on their part that they may have to spend up to $100,000 $500,000
and they didn't want to put a lot of money into this if they didn't have a guaranteed long-term. What I would expect would that we would not have them required to do a lot of improvement at all. Uh and also the term would be uh in in the agreement it says
90-day notice. I would say just they leave it at 90 days and then make it a shortterm uh subject to either side canceling within 90 days. The uh the lease amount was probably low because they thought they might have put more money into improvements there too. So in
looking at this right now it's no parking. We have signs that says no parking so nobody can use it. The understanding that I had was that it's not this would not be not this would not be exclusive. there were just because they would pay the village uh a certain amount that anybody could park there. We
cannot restrict it uh to non-residents of Anglr's Reef for example. Uh the expectation is that mostly most people that would park there would be the Anglers Reef people. If somebody wanted to park from the trailer park, they would be allowed to park there. It's just that they wanted to be have the right to park there without some
agreement. We really couldn't say let's just take the no parking signs down then because then there's really no control. So in looking at the agreement, I think this was a starting point. We wanted direction from the council. Do we want to negotiate something? My intention would be to make it non-exclusive. It's open to everybody. Uh the rent would
have to be a little bit more than 500 a month and we would not require them to do extensive renovations because we if we cancel at 90 days, they wouldn't be able to recoup their investment. Uh that I think that answers some of the questions there. Um as far as long-term, we are looking at paid parking throughout the village. Uh I've talked
to Jennifer. We probably need a parking study for the entire village. This is to me be more of a shortterm response to a problem. It's not going to fix any long-term problems, but I think in the short term, we have a parking available there that nobody can park in at all just because we've decided there's no
parking. And so, if we can relieve a short-term problem, that's why we're bringing it before you. Uh, but obviously, we want direction from the council tonight. Don, would you like to go next? If it's okay. Thank you. Um,
so I think it was probably about 10 years ago, I recognized that the village was going to have this problem and I wrote a code and I gave it to one of our planning directors back then and and um it was really more for the arts district and the downtown walking and historic
area of Alam Marada, but but I think that um you know it it's it's something that's expandable. Um, we see businesses all the time in Alamra going to DOT and asking for a DOT lease. If it wasn't for a DOT lease, a lot of those businesses
wouldn't have enough parking. We live on an island. We're small area. Um, our properties are small. Uh, whoever developed that property developed it according to the code and um and the folks that live there were, you know,
paying for um that development. Um I I I think I kind of I mean I I don't have a problem with the village allowing uh parking on the rightway. It works in downtown Alamra. It works in the arts
district. It has taken a it has alleviated pressure off of a lot of those businesses down there. I I'm not in agreement with necessarily leasing the villages right away. I I still believe that in order to have a
self-perpetuating program that we should have paid parking. I think that we should designate parking areas, we should design them the way they work. I'm hopeful that the planning department is in agreement with this council because I think we all agreed or or the
most of us agreed that that we didn't have a problem with backing on to the uh the old road. it it's it hasn't created hate and discontent and havoc and death in downtown Alamra and I don't think it's going to on Wley Ke. Um I I guess
as a compromise I I wouldn't have a problem agreeing to allow them at their expense to uh um at at our design maybe um pvious pavers or something. I
don't want to see us start u asphaltting our rights away. I don't think we should create more of a storm water management plan. Uh we've already got that, you know, our storm water management problem. I think we already have that problem. So if if we go in there with
some turf blocks and pvious pavers and we make some control parking um and we agree with this with this group that at their expense they developed that in that area which which is what that code that I wrote 10 years ago allowed
businesses to do. if they couldn't expand in their business or improve their business or increase intensity or density of use, they would be allowed to come to the village and and uh uh pay to install uh additional parking areas that
the village would be able to then uh meter as parking. And I when I say meter, I don't mean you go in there and put the quarter like you thought. you you you pull up, you get on your app, and you and you reserve that spot for whatever length of time. So, I'd be okay
with a short-term lease um that would remain in effect until we uh uh formally adopted uh our our parking plan to where we have paid parking in the village. And then from that point on, it would
automatically rolled in to a paid parking uh amount. I agree with Deb that 500 bucks a month for all that parking is um is a giveaway. I think that the the studies that I've looked at the average is probably around uh three
bucks an hour for uh uh for paid parking uh through you know throughout the nation. Uh it's a lot more in other places like San Francisco, but it's it's that's about what it is in in in Asheville and it's about what it is in Miami if I go to a basketball game and
at the park. So, um I think there's there's a compromise here somewhere. I don't know exactly where it is because there's not enough, you know, of a plan to put that, but I I would start off with uh saying I'm okay with compromising and saying for the short
term, they develop it, they put it in, it's done in a design standard that that our civil engineer thinks is going to be the least harm uh to our environment. And then when we adopt a paid parking plan, it automatically rolls into that.
Steve, would you like to go? Um, first of all, I just want to um commend the HOA and Tai for for um bringing this to us and and uh and kind of coming off this idea of maybe permanent parking, which what we were
talking about before. Um, and uh, I don't really want to go on and on. Instead, just uh, agree with what I've heard from council and from a couple of the um, public and uh, and their concerns such as the precedent that it
might uh, set for other properties and uh, so for that and a lot of the reasons that were already discussed, I can't support it as it is right now. Anna. Well, I got some agreements, some disagreements. So, all up and down the
Keys. They're FDOT leases. Keyargo to Key West all up and down. People use them for parking all all throughout. So, I don't have a problem doing a lease with them if it's non-exclusive.
No trailers. They landscape it. It's all on them. indemnify us. Um, I kind of agree with the short-term thing, you know, not 10 years or whatever until we do our parking study and then come up with a parking plan and
we implement it throughout the village. Um, I don't have a problem with that whatsoever. But I think in the meantime, it solves a problem. We can't go back and make them tear down buildings because somebody else approved something that now nobody else likes. I mean, that's not right.
So, it's a it's a problem for um another time. And at least this this fixes something for the short term. And I'm up for more like $1,000 a month is where or a year. So, it's like $20 a month for each
homeowner. So, if they're not really, you know, we're not paving, we're not doing they're not putting that much money into it. I don't think a couple hundred bucks a year for each homeowner is asking for too much. Okay.
So that leaves me and I have been working on this with them for I felt like it was 5 years and uh I will say that it's I'm sort of surprised at uh some of the attitudes that
we're not supposed to help people. It's their problem. They bought the place. So why are we what? That's your problem, not ours. That's not what I see my job is. I see my job as trying to find solutions to the problems in this community. And um I don't agree with Deb
with you with making that a golf cart lane because I don't know who is going to use a golf cart in that small area. So I don't agree with that. I don't agree with the backing out to US1. I think that it would look 100% better. We already went to SD Marine and the
trailers are going there. It'll just be vehicles, not costing the taxpayers any money to landscape it or set it up, which to me is a win-win situation. And um I I do agree with the short term
just to see how it works. But I do think we should have a say in what it looks like, you know, when you draw what you're going to draw. We had talked about three uh landscaping, three landscaping down so it would look nice. And all this was was trying to help
solve a problem for the people who live in this community. And if you turn your back on the people when they have a problem, then I don't know why anybody's sitting up here. I don't. So my thought is that I would like to say we move forward with this. And if I can get
three out of five votes, I say we move forward with this and help these people find have a place to park. And as far as the paid parking goes, I know that's your thing and I'm okay with that. Um but um however it works out, we already know it can't be just them parking
there. We've already had that discussion. Everything has already sort of been discussed and uh I think this is the middle of the road that this community needs to take. So I guess right now then Ron, do we need to take an informal vote to move forward?
No. At this point I think I have direction. Um, I think if it's a short-term non-exclusive lease with at least, let's say $1,000 a month rent, uh, we can negotiate that with Mr. Harris and bring it back maybe the October 7th meeting for approval. So, it won't be a final approval to the October
7th, but we can work out the details, get the survey done that we need as far additional exhibit, etc. Now that we think we have at least some direction as far as uh for a short-term non-exclusive lease uh where we're not requiring them to do a lot of improvement, I think we
have some room to negotiate it. I see. There's a couple of times you said we you're not talking about the village taxpayers paying for these surveys and all of this stuff. No, no, no. Okay. It'd be the it'd be the homeowner association, Mr. Harris. we we'll sit down with them and put our requirements
on the parking situation as far as you environmental issues, etc. But as far as the improvements, the improvements will be 100% Angller's reef. And we'll defer to our planning director to make sure whatever happens there is going to meet with our code 100%. Yeah. And the other thing, obviously,
we're still waiting on the comp plan, which is coming soon, and hopefully they'll address some parking issues in the comp plan. If not, uh, we I've talked to Jennifer maybe authorizing a parking study for the entire village because I totally agree we need paid parking. Uh, we need to get ahead of
that curve. It's not as big an issue as it will be in 5 or 10 years. So, we should address it now. As vice mayor said, we are looking at parking apps. For example, the the one in they have in Key West. I'm I'm talking to that company to get some proposals for you all to look at. But at this point, it's
premature to do the whole village. This might actually be a way to kind of do a pilot project and see how it does work with with paid parking. Did you want to say something else? I did. Um, first of all, I never said I didn't
want to help anybody. I didn't say you said that. No, you didn't. But you implied it. And um, I suggested a couple ideas of trying to find other things. There's other places along there that have asked for
parking all along and just because we didn't do it in the past doesn't mean we don't do it in the f in the future. But um I to
to put some temporary parking in there is is oh it's still going to have to follow a code. And so I'm not sure that Angller's Reef is going to like the price of a temporary parking and following what we have to do with
code. Um we're we've been guilty in the past of not enforcing our code. We need to we need to get better at that. There's places that we need to turn the other cheek and and not uh be so strict, but
I I just I just have a hard time with this one. Sorry. Okay. So, Anna, did you want to go again? Sure. Go ahead. Well, everybody keeps talking about paid parking and and you also got to look at it as
ultimately this is paid parking. They're going to pay to park here. And this is something we don't have to implement. We don't have to monitor. They're going to pay us every month. Yeah. That's which is why I'm okay doing it in a temporary basis until we pass
our code that would allow for metered type of parking. And that's I think that's that would be my compromise is not not kick it off at the beginning because uh because we don't have that in our code. And this way we have a uniform policy and we're throwing more work on Jennifer
as she already has. So but but I think we I think this a it's a problem all of has. It's it's a problem all of the kids have. You see Will and parking all over the place. This at least will be some
controlled parking that is is is done you know for you know to help the community. Um, it has to the businesses are going to need this in the future and um I just think that I I don't mind I
don't mind doing this on a temporary basis until our paid parking is is adopted. Okay. So then that means that um maybe two against and three four. Is that how we have to look at this? Not really because we're not asking for a formal vote and perhaps if we come back with an
agreement the people who may not be supportive now may when they look at the final agreement may have an open mind to it. So Okay. But do you think you have three that are willing to move ahead? Yes. Glad you I'm willing.
I'm willing and Anna is willing. So it's three. Okay. Okay. Moving ahead. Thank you for Thank you.
village attorney, village manager, John. Um, there was a discussion actually before about maybe wanting to have a comment about tab 4 that was on consent. Did you guys I wasn't sure if you guys moved that to the mayor council communications or tab 4 was getting do it when we got there, but you can do
it now if you want then. Yeah, because if you if you want to do it then we'll have to pull it from consent. But if you want to we can do it either way. Well, it's part of it's part of consent. So, I thought I had to pull it. So, wherever we talk about it, it's
fine. Yes, it's pull three minutes. Not even three minutes. We'll pull it from consent and put it in resolutions and then that way we can move. I just wasn't sure where where we were. Okay. Okay. So, do you have anything, Ron? I I think you want uh on the uh an
update on the church uh just shortly. Uh we did another site visit to the church. happened to be on a rainy day which actually turned out to be fortunate because we got to identify some places that were leaking. Uh so Jennifer and Sheila and AJ and I did another walk through and we do think there's needs to
be some patching on the roof. We're having somebody go look at it and then we also need to look at uh getting it up to code as far as sprinklers etc. I am getting because of our workshop last week. I'm getting some people that does not aren't necessarily wanting to buy it, but they want to use it. Some
choirs, some choruses, you know, some community organizations, but unfortunately, we cannot have anybody from the public in there until we get it up to code. The church was exempted from some of the requirements. And so, we don't I don't have an issue with coming back to you guys and saying, would you like to have XYZ go in there? But in the
short term, we can't have any public use in there until that. Having said that, I've also uh asked our public works department to move their trucks from out of the green turtle hammock. Uh and they've been occupying that for various uses. We we have an empty parking lot
behind the church. And so at least the short term uh I've asked public works to move all their trucks out of Green Turtle to the church. There's also some space inside the church where they might have some meeting rooms for their employees because right now they're using Grand Turtle as kind of that uh situation too. And if there's extra
room, we would like to then start moving uh some of the places from out of here over there. Also, once AJ has a better idea of how many trucks and how much equipment he can store behind the church, if there's extra room, you know, from the green turtle hammock, we'll try to get some some equipment from out of
here also over there. So, in the short term, uh we want to use the church for our purposes as much as we can to alleviate problems other other places. Okay. All right, John, do you have I have a question about that. Go ahead.
Um, so I didn't hear anything about the fact of us potentially liquidating it from our inventory and I thought that was the question on the agenda. Go ahead.
The original agenda said asking for direction about selling the property. If you see now, it just says next steps. We had a a workshop. I think all of you either attended in person or watched it. And there was some concern in the community about just putting up for sale and not knowing what our plan was for
it. Um I still think we need to look at changing the zoning, but that's my personal opinion. It'll have to be done by the council. As far as putting up for sale, I don't think it's a big secret that we own the property and that if somebody wants to make an offer, they can make an offer. The question was, we want to list it. We didn't want to list it because then every realtor in town
would be wanting the listing. And so at this point, we're not saying we're not selling it. We're not saying we're selling it. If we get an offer, I'll bring it to the council. So, as far as direction goes, I think in the meantime, we need to get that up to speed. We don't want to have mold and mildew, for example, because we we want to not have
it go down in in its condition. We want to at least maintain the condition and get it up to code so we can at least have some community events there. But in the short term, we just want to make sure it's it's it meets code requirements. as far as selling it. Once again, if somebody wants to come and make an offer, they're free to make an
offer. Go ahead, Don. Did you want to say something? Uh, look, Anna's the expert on she since she's a realtor, but is I think that since the since the law has changed on on commissions and stuff, we can put it
out there to realtors and say if if your buyer wants to buy, then you put the commission on the buyer and uh come make us an offer. And if it's a reasonable offer, I just think we ought to probably um uh I don't know, put a for sale by
owner sign out there. But but but I mean, is that not right that the the the realtors now can put the commission on the buyer and not share it between the buyer and seller? Correct. And so I I think that I think that there
was a consensus among this council previously to have this thing for sale. And quite honestly, I don't know if that parking lot's big enough for everything that AJ has acquired through the years. So maybe he needs to find something bigger. Well, and I don't think spending a whole bunch of money on it is the right
decision to move forward with either. And we have no plan. To clarify the we don't we're not looking at a new roof at this point. We're just looking at patching the existing roof and then putting a sprinkler in just for health safety reasons. But no major improvements at this point. Number one, we don't have the money in the budget. And but as as
vice mayor said, nothing prevents somebody from coming in and just making an offer and paying the realtor themselves. So we don't we're not talking about listing it for sale. When it's on the front page of the paper, it's not a big secret that we might be open to it, but I didn't want to push the issue since there was some concern
in the community. Deb, did you want to say something? Yes, but I keep changing my mind on what I'm going to talk about. Which one first? I think you need to be very cautious in moving things out of this park into something that we don't know what we're going to do whether
we're keeping it or not because once you do that then you've got to find a new home for it again and I don't think the church even in the long run would be the answer to u the the stuff here at the park the
temporarily getting it out of the green turtle is is fine. I don't have a problem with that. Um, and your temporary fix on the roof is good. I don't know how much you're talking in a sprinkler system or whatever, but I'd be
cautious spending a lot of money because we we talked last time about to to bring it to code may and I I know that's the far end of bringing it to code, but it could be a million dollars.
I mean, there's no sense in putting a lot of money into it if we don't know where we're going with this. I totally agree. And once again, just be the patch estimate I heard was $4,000, for example. Um, you know, something like that. We're not And then I agree
with you also about the long-term aspects of the church. We are actually looking for some more suitable places to put the public works department as far as all their equipment outside of Green Turtle. Green Turtle needs to get out tomorrow. As far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't it shouldn't be there now. And
we need to start improving the Green Turtle. It's really nice. By the way, if you haven't been there, the pavilion turned out nicely. Uh, and we want to make it a real showcase. And right now, it's got a bunch of public works equipment all there, which they had to do. They had nowhere else to put it. Now, they do. They have a church in the short term. In the long term, there's
some couple of pieces of property for either lease or for sale that we're looking at just to bring back to you. Uh unfortunately the things for sale are very expensive. There may be some lease opportunities at least shortterm where we can put the equipment. Also as an
aside I have been directed by the council to look at the possibility of contracting out some of our our public works stuff. So that could be another situation taken account. You know do are we going to have all those trucks and all that equipment uh in the long run? And I don't know the answer yet. I've
already been uh in conversation with a lot of landscaping companies are very interested in talking to us. I met with AJ and asked him to give us his work plan so they can kind of look and see which parts of it they may want to take over for example. But those things take a while and so in the short term I didn't I just want to get green turtle
squared away cuz that's a jewel that we really want to protect and the public had some complaints about what was going on over there and I agreed with them. Uh, as far as the park, that's in the long range plan of getting stuff out of here. So, at least get them out and then stage it somewhere else. Uh, there's
been other things, for example, the hill. I don't I'm not real thrilled about that. Uh, because it's really nice place and we should improve it, not junk it up with more stuff. Uh, so we're looking at different possibilities, I guess, is the answer. But in the short term, that church is there had an empty
parking lot. It made sense just to use that in the short term. Okay. All right. Are we Can we move on? Okay. John, do you have anything? Nope. Nothing for me. Okay. Two hours later. Oh, Marne. General
public comment. Okay. We will start with Sue Miller. Zipping along here. Sue Miller and lower Madakumbi, if you would all speak into your microphones better, I'd be able to hear. Um, I'm
really concerned about public engagement. And how many people are here? It's really sad to me that we don't have more people here to listen to all the things that you've already talked about
without public comment. I was surprised that we had public comment for one issue and how many people were here to talk about it when it's clearly not an area that we should have been prepared to talk about. How did they even know that
there was going to be an opportunity to talk? Um, I I am really upset this week because of the agenda. It was 779 pages that we got at 11:00 Sunday
morning. And and really, I'm not a speedreader. I spent a lot of time looking at it. And to think that we used to get agendas on Friday for a Thursday
meeting, now we get them on Sunday for a Tuesday meeting. It just it it doesn't work for me and it was really upsetting. Um, and then when you look at the Thursday meeting, five quasi judicial
hearings in one meeting. We have one of them that took five hours to hear it the original time and now they want to amend it and you're you're including it with four other
it it's just mind-boggling to me to to figure out how we figure out our agendas and what the priority of the agendas are. Some of the things in the um seem
uh less critical than others. Some seem to be rushed, some seem to be delayed. I I can never figure out how you establish your priorities. But I will tell you that I don't think there's anything more important than the
fourlaning issue on US1. And to think that that was first voted on by the Monroe County Commission 4 to one in February and now we have all these months later, is it seven months
later that you're talking about it publicly for the first time and I'm very grateful that we're going to have a representative of the village to speak at the meeting tomorrow. But it's it's really our whole town should be involved
in this. Everybody that's here should be at that meeting tomorrow. It it would destroy our community to have have to fourlane and I haven't heard from any attorney whether there is anything that
might be required of Alam Marada. Thank you. Sue. Okay. I was just going to say I didn't know if you're speaking on the community alliance thing. So, anybody else? Morning. Yes, ma'am. Next up, Joe Wishmire. Yes, Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. Mayor and Council, I'm here tonight to talk
about some of the unfairness of the restrictions placed on your constituents, the public, especially during quasi judicial hearings. Quasi judicial hearings are meant to get the truth on very important issues that affect people's lives for years and
years to come. To make such lifealtering decisions, council members should want all pertinent information. Not just staff information, but also information from those affected by those decisions, the public. While the numerous staff
members have weeks, if not months, to research and collect information, the affected people have to wait until the agenda is posted to get that opinion and information. That only leaves a couple of days for us to read and research that
information. Normally, that happens late Friday afternoon. So, two of those days are on weekends when lots of businesses are closed. then you only give us three minutes to state our concerns and information during testimony. When council combines
two tabs together, you still only give us 3 minutes total, not 3 minutes per tabbed item, which is the norm. I do not believe that the village charter states that as it is also unreasonable. For
example, the quasi judicial hearing in December 2022, including Crooked Palm Distillery and hearings before that, there were no time restrictions. Now, this council will be asked to remove six conditions that were agreed to by the
owners and neighbors. These conditions were agreed to in order to secure the votes for the major conditional use permit needed to approve and also the neighbors. quiet enjoyment of life
from current and future owners. It took over 17 months of meetings, negotiations, and variances to come up with a mutual agreement. Let's talk about integrity. What happened to a man's word is his bond. When you give your word,
don't you feel a responsibility to honor that promise? Now, after only a few days notice, you will be asked to remove 17 months of hard work by council, staff, and neighbors. On Thursday, please vote to preserve our community and protect
our quiet enjoyment of life like it states in our mission statement and deny the request. Since elected, you were sworn to uphold the mission statement. Don't forget the word integrity. I also heard tonight the mayor was talking about you don't want to turn your back
on people. You're here to help people. Well, we are asking for help. They have not demonstrated any reason why the hours should be changed and we'll get into more of that on Thursday. Thank you. Thank you. Morning.
Yes. Uh next up and last speaker is Joe Zmeck. Welcome back. I'm back. Welcome back. 25 years in this place. A lot of time. We're sitting in a place
that was created by some people who had a vision 25 years ago. You're sitting in it. There's a pool over there in a park. Okay, think about that. By the way, according to the paper, Mr. Thank you very much for re looking at that
building that you're talking about the building here and basically you did something. You did something using the voice of reason in the physical modeling didn't make any sense. We didn't need it. Thank you. You probably asked yourself why wise why we could not
intelligently answer the intelligently answer the questions of the five wise of sane management. You did that. Thank you. Now, let's go to the hard part. First, there are 40 homes for sale in Sun Properties, 100 yards away.
They're not homesteaded to my knowledge. Their tax revenues are about 7 to$10,000 each. What are they paying in taxes? You guys are looking to raise our taxes. There's guys over there with a free ride. What are you doing about it? Huh? No, you don't have to answer the
question. What are they paying? missing revenue from these property 40 properties is about3 to five $500,000 a year why is the island ro mundro tax excessor not receiving this tax money
mr village attorney isn't this fair not fair to the rest of us h think about it councilmen and women you are bound to direct the manager to do to do things but basically I'm going to use two
words. Do something. I've listened to you all here for the last two hours. You were elected to represent the residents of Isra. None of you have asked me what I thought. You ask me why are there people here? Good question. Why don't you find out why
there aren't people here? As a resident of this place, do something. Focus on the needs of the village residents, not on the type of grass, real or artificial, or the number of parking places we need somewhere. My final words
are do something. Thank you, Marne. Is that the last person? Um, it was Alina Davis has her hand up on Zoom now. Okay. Okay, Elena, go ahead. You have three minutes.
I am trying. We can hear you. Okay. Can you hear me? Yes, ma'am. Okay. So, I could not agree with Joe Wishmeer more. His statements
truly represent what so much of the village people have to say. But so many of us are too busy, have kids, have other jobs. So many have second jobs to
be able to live in our village. And we need to be able to live in this village. We are fortunate. We have we built our house in 193
right after Hurricane Andrew. And but there are so many who are coming to our village and have the aspirations to be able to live here and work here and purchase and
raise their families. So now we get back to the village properties. I think Ron Saunders has done a great job thinking outside the the boundaries.
Let's get the stuff out of Green Turtle. Green Turtle. Let's get it onto the village property. That parking lot is scarified. Green Turtle is pristine or should have been maintained pristine.
moving the parks and works uh vehicles to the other site at Founders Park. Maybe that's phase one, but it is important because it saves the
integrity of our park. And then that leads us to the artificial turf versus grass. And there is absolutely no explanation for the school board to be spending a
million dollars on turfing our baseball field for a million dollars for 10 years when annual lies like John Weer on our
parks and recck committee which I am a part of said that's $100,000 a year. Oh my gosh. Imagine that. You could spend 25 or $50,000
on making that a beautiful grass field and wouldn't that be a wonderful thing rather than making it plastic. So, I appreciate all of your comments, all of your considerations, but please remember that this is our village. This is not
Dade County. This does not belong to the school board. This is ours. I thank you. Thank you, Alina. Can I have Dawn address the gentleman because he has been looking into Sun Community? So, you think we're doing nothing? Would you
tell us what you found? So, there's three Florida statutes that are involved in why those are u uh in the shape they are and not paying taxes. And um and I have spoken to some of our
state legislators. I have uh asked to be on the Florida League of Cities advocacy committee. I have met with several people um during the last meeting that we had with the Florida League of Cities and uh I am hoping that we can make some
type of change to um uh to our Florida statute that would then allow those to be taxed. Um, in the meantime, I've asked our village manager, and I think he's had discussion with our village attorney to see if we can put them in some type of special taxing district if
there's some way that we can get them um uh to start having to pay some of their way uh instead of utilizing our all of the services they get for free. I've even gone as far as maybe recommending and I don't know if it's possible and I
the attorney is going to have to really look into that is making them char pay if they want to come into Founders Park uh because they're not paying taxes within the village. They're getting fire, they're getting ambulance, using our streets and all the other um uh you
know all the other things that we get by paying taxes uh for nothing. And so uh we're working on it. Joe, you know full well government is like turning a battleship sometimes. Um I know Mr. Wishmire is is trying to help me on that
and looking into some properties. I actually talked to one lady who's a mayor of a small town where 50% of her houses in that little town is that and so 50% of the occupants in that little town are getting a free ride in that
little town. So she's the mayor in there. she fully understands it and she is um a co-chair on the advocacy committee. Uh so it's turning the battleship, but we're we're doing something. You did something. Thank you.
Okay. Just wanted to put that out there. Okay, John, can we go to consent agenda? Yes, we can. Uh we're into the consent portion of the agenda. These items are of a routine nature and council members have reviewed these items in advance and sought the advice of staff as they felt necessary. There'll be one vote on the
consent items which today are tabs 2 3 and 5 through 8 and those are items Roman numeral 9 AB D through G. That's alpha bravo delta through golf. If anyone would like to pull an item from consent, he or she should state so now.
Do I need to restatement? No, that's already been pulled. Okay. Okay. So, I'll make a motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. We have public comment. Oh,
is there any public comment? Yes, ma'am. There is. Um, Sue Miller, I want to talk about the pool one. Good to go. Okay. So, we have a first and a second. Marty, do you want to call the role, please?
Can you please remind me first and second? Yes. Thank you. Appreciate that. Council member Deb Gillis, yes. Council member Steve Freriedman, yes. Council member Anna Richards, yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton, yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney,
yes. The motion passes 5 to one or five to zero. John, that moves us to nine. Yep. Uh, no. Tab four. Almost. We'll get there next. Go ahead. Sorry. That's okay. Tab four is a resolution of the village council
of alamara village violence Florida approving an agreement with playmore recreational products and services for founders park beach inclusive playground authorizing village officials to implement the terms and conditions of the agreement authorizing the village manager to expend budget funds authorizing the village manager to execute the agreement and providing for
an effective date okay Deb do you want to ask any questions or you're we you pulled it so what would you like to discuss um I I don't need a presentation Uh, I just wanted to pull it to u say
that this is about a $600,000 project and the TDC through their um capital project has paid for or will pay for is a better phrase 497,000 and some change. Um, so they've paid for
the majority of of this particular project. And I think the fact that we're um taking into account some of the stuff that the um um Miller Lag suggested in
in relocating it while we're replacing the equipment makes perfect sense. So, I assume that's where some of the additional because if I remember right, when it came to TDC, I sit on the the DAC committee. Um, it was for the
playground equipment. So, there's been some additional costs since then, but um I just think it's it's fair for them to get credit that they gave us $500,000. Yeah. Marie, did you want to say anything? No, I'm excited about getting this
project going. It's been over I think a year and a half in the making. So, yes, please um approve the item and we'll go ahead and get things rolling. Thank you. Okay. Well, we have uh I think Sue, you wanted to public comment before we
move forward. Sue Miller, Lower Metakumbi. Um, the only thing that I wanted to say is that I I maybe it was a long agenda item and I couldn't find where there's an option one, two, and three. And
there's nothing I thought that you had to select which of the three options um you wanted to use and and I didn't see that, you know, how that could be in the congen consent agenda unless you're leaving it up to the manager to decide.
Thank you. I like option one. Okay. Council, anybody have any discussion? Anything? Deb, anything else? Don? No. I think it's great to get uh $600,000 worth of work for 100,000. So, I'm happy about it. I'd move to approve.
Do I have a second? I'll second. Okay. Marty. Vice Mayor Don Horton. Yes. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. and Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. The motion passes 5. And by the way, I do have to recuse
myself on that committee to uh to vote on this item at at DAC. I can't vote on this item. Oh, yeah. I guess so. So, I do have to recuse myself. Okay. John, thank you. Nine. Tab nine. Uh resolution of the village council of alamarda village of islands
Florida approving the first amendment to the contract for local police services between the Monroe County Sheriff's Office Monroe County Board of County Commissioners in Alamara Village of Islands for fiscal year 2025 to 2022. Year two contract pricing authorizing the mayor to execute the first amendment authorizing the village manager to
expend budgeted funds authorizing village officials to implement the terms and conditions of the first amendment and providing for an effective date. Okay. Um, do we have any public comment? First, no, ma'am. Okay. Council
motion to approve. Second. Marty. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Excuse me. Vice Mayor Donort. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Honey. Yes.
The motion passes 5 to zero. 10. 10 is a resolution of the village council of viol village of islands Florida authorizing the payment of legal expenses related to the representation of certain village officials in their official capacities providing for authorization and providing for an effective date.
Okay, Ron, do you want to say something? Uh this is uh because the state attorney did an investigation and after a thorough and complete investigation uh found absolutely no wrongdoing on behalf of anybody on the council either current or former members of the council or
staff. And so uh we now since the matter has been concluded, we are now under our code authorized to uh reimburse uh council members and staff for any legal expenses for their fees. And that's what we are recommending that you do tonight.
Is there any uh public comment before No, ma'am. There better not be. All right. Council, any Don, did you want to say something? Deb, anybody? I just think it's a shame that this came to this and it's a shame that this is on
the taxpayers's back that they're going to have to pay $20,000 for a complaint that was made. Maybe it was made out of demagoguery. Maybe it was made out of innocence. I think it was the first and I think that u it's a shame that this is
on the taxpayers's back. Maybe somebody that made the complaint could pay for it. Thanks. Anna, do you have anything to say? No. Deb. Okay. I'm good. I do. Um I I will make the motion
though. Do I have a second? I'll second it. Morning. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton. Unfortunately, yes.
Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Absolutely. Motion passes 5 to zero. Okay. All right. John, moving on. Tab 11 is a resolution of the village council of Alamarda Village of Islands, Florida,
approving renewal of property casualty and workers compensation policies and coverage and pollution liability from world risk management through public risk management of Florida effective October 1, 2025. Authorizing payment of the associated renewal premiums for fiscal year 2025 to 2026, authorizing
village officials execute required documents authorizing the village manager to expend budget funds and providing for an effective date. I believe that's Miss Hattie. Yep. Okay. Um this is we've discussed this during the budget cycle. Um the increase was
projected at 6% and they actually came in at a 1.09% increase. Um we actually have a um insurance consultant and they recommend to stay with uh this contract as it's the best option that's out there
currently. Anybody have any questions? I just want to thank y'all for putting the work in and and getting this rate down. So, thank y'all very much. Y Anna, do you have something? I will motion to approve. I can second.
Okay. Marty. Okay. We did not have anyone for public comment for this one. So, Council Member Anna Richards, yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton, yes. Council member Steve Freriedman, yes. Council member De Gillis, yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney, yes.
That motion passes 5 to zero. Hey John, we're blazing a trail. Let's go. We are. We're on the last resolution. Uh tab 12, a resolution of the village council of Alamara Village of Islands, Florida, ratifying purchases from KB Vacuum Solutions LL3 LLC through the end
of uh fiscal year 2024 to 2025, authorizing village manager to expend budget funds and providing for an effective date. AJ. All right. Good evening. Um KB Vacuums is our vacuum pump supplier and uh repair and as also our our parts and
oil. Um we had a not to exceed uh for this budget year of $100,000. Uh we had an issue with one pump that needed emergency repair and that put us over the $100,000. So it was uh an additional $5,874.50
50 cents and the resolution before you is uh ratifying that those expenses. Okay. Anybody have any questions for AJ before we go to public comment if there's any. Deb, you have something you have your mic. I'm sorry. That's okay. Don, no.
Anna. Steve. Okay, then. Is there any public comment? No, ma'am. Okay. Um I hate wastewater. When are we going to Kargo? I'm going to I'm like a parrot on that,
aren't I? Okay, I'll make a motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. Okay, Marne. Council member Debbie Gillis. Yes. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton. Yes.
And Sher Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. Motion passes five to zero. John, we are now into the ordinances section. This is um tab 13. Uh this is an ordinance on second reading. An ordinance of Alamara Village, Florida, amending section 2-118 of the village
code entitled scheduling and conduct of hearing to require notice of affirmative offenses and code compliance hearings and determination of responsibility for alleged violations, providing for the repeal of all code provisions, an ordinances inconsistent with this ordinance, providing for severability, providing for codification, and
providing for an effective date. Okay. Um we discussed this last month. I'm I'm happy to to refresh everybody's recollection. This was um an issue that had come up in a recent uh code matter that was appealed and there was not a
specific finding as to certain affirmative defenses that were raised. And this is designed to ensure that we have a time frame by which uh for somebody to raise affirmative defenses and to ensure that the code enforcement officer um does in fact address those
defenses and deal with them in uh in his order. So it's really just designed to ensure that we uh have the cleanest and um uh legally sufficient orders that uh that we can. Okay, Dab, I see you have your mic on.
Mhm. Um, well, I was just going to ask um how the first reading vote went since it's not filled in. I assume it was a 50 vote, but I don't know that. That's my recollection, but let me I can
check the minutes actually since I think they're in our Give me one second and I will be able to No problem. Besides that, I don't have a question. Anybody have anything while he's looking? Is there any public comment
while he's looking? No, ma'am. All right, John. The ball's in your court. I am cuz I'm not seeing it right now. The the vote on the prior. So, I'll read withdraw if you're having trouble finding it, but it should be
filled in, of course. Yeah, my recollection was unanimous. Sorry. I think I think so, too. Yeah, I think I'm in the wrong one. [Applause] I'm not sure. I'm not finding it in our So, would that change your vote, Deb?
No. Okay. It just needs to be filled in. Okay. Well, while he's looking, do we have a motion then? Can we move forward? I'll make a motion to approve, but I'll second.
I I'll withdraw my my uh uh request. Uh but I it's just not filled in. Okay. It was It was from the June meeting. So, I'm The ones in our agenda are from the July. Arie, will you want to go ahead and call the role while John's still looking? Uh, sure. I can do that. And also, I did
find the vote is on our public portal on um the village agenda and it was a affirmative 50 vote. Well, she showed you up there, John. Did you? I know. I know. I should have started. I know. I should have. All right. Marty, call the roll, please.
Okay. Refresh me on the um mover and uh Deb and Anna. Deb and Anna. Great. Okay. Thank you. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Horton. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. That motion passes. 5 Z.
Okay. Tab 14. And I guess just a point of privilege. So in the minutes doesn't show the sweat rolling down my face when I could when I couldn't find the uh the heart beating a little faster. Okay.
So, so before we move on, isn't shouldn't this be filled in on our agendas because the next tab is this way too. 14. It's not filled in. Okay. We'll address it going forward to to make sure that it is. Thank you. Thank you. Tab 14 is an
ordinance of Alamada Village, Florida, amending chapter 62 utilities, uh, article 62-3, wastewater utility policy to amend section 62-39 to add provisions related to wastewater backup policy, providing for repeal, providing for inclusion in
the code, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. And while AJ's speaking, I will look for the uh the vote on this. I have it if you'd like. 41. Sure. It was the July 22nd meeting. It was a motion to approve on the first
reading. It was a 4-1 vote with um council member um Gillis um des dissenting. Okay. AJ, would you like to Sure. Yeah. Yeah. This is the second reading. Um this is to uh formally uh
create a policy outlining our responsibilities, procedures, and the mitigation steps uh related to sewer backups. And it's to outline that for both the um sorry both the owners the utility owners us and the the residents or
commercial properties. But I'm here for any questions if you have. Anybody have questions? Don AJ um is this modification that you're asking for and that we've already voted on. Is it typical in other cities this
way? Yes, this is the um the policy is cons uh consistent with the industry standard and it's been drafted or used in other other city codes before. Correct. Okay. Um so what about like those properties that are on the grinder pump program? I don't think I asked that last
time. I meant to and I didn't. If they're on the grinder pump program and they're installed and maintained by the village on private property, they're exempted, right? because they put in a um um there's an easement that runs through their property. Yeah, correct. We have an easement and
that infrastructure is Mar's uh property. And and if you find that the the problem is um is on somebody's private property, but due to something that's happening right at the the property line, then we
give the tie goes to the runner, right? We're not going to be charging unless you find that it's an abuse of that clogged up the pipe because of the owner when you when you find whatever the problem is. Correct. Yeah. It so the connection point which is that defining line is at
our sewer cleanout. Um the same thing on the low pressure side of it. There's a it flows into the grinder pit. Um there is a sewer cleanout right there at that point. And that's the kind of the defining line of beyond that is the the property owners and the gravity side of
it. And then from there to either the vacuum pit or the grinder basin is is ours. And it seems like when we talked about this last time, I asked if there was a way that we could notify the public and and let them know what are the bad things that they put in their in
in that they throw into their toilets or whatever that create these problems either on the villages side or on their side. Have has anybody worked towards developing some kind of pamphlet or something that a fact sheet that we can send out to the public? just one
notification or post it on the villages website that that can help people to understand that there are certain things that they just should not put in the system. Absolutely. We we have that information uh on our website that kind of the dos and don'ts. We've done a video before. I
think the video is a little older, but we did talk about redoing a newer video uh of posting that and then be able to post that on social media and then be able to put some information in our our um our weekly newsletter as I think the more that we the more we talk about it,
the more it's going to help our system and help the public. So, thank you. No problem. Go ahead. Um I thought of a question. I promise not to. Um when you and I talked um at my review
um we talked about um um backflow preventers, correct? Is there a um standard for how often they should be checked or
replaced because they are a um they're hard plastic, right? Correct. If I remember right, I don't dig in that hole very often. No. No. Uh, so is there some kind of standard that should be the public should be made aware of that they need
to double check that because that will protect their homes or hopefully correct. Um, I'm not sure of any industry standard as far as how often. Um, I'd have to check maybe with Sheila. She might know that. That's on the the private side of it. Um, and it's a
Florida building code with the the backflow pre. So I'd have to What was the last statement? It's part of the the code that they're required to have those backflow preventers. I didn't say anything about not being required to have them. I'm talking about maintaining them. I'm not sure and helping the general public
understand how often they should maintain them even if it's on their own property. It's kind of goes along with what Don was saying about and I know we've put that out in the past is and but he's right. We need to talk about it. I can look into that and
then add that as part of the as part of the Absolutely. Yeah, good idea. Anybody else? Go ahead. I move to approve. Do I have a second? Public comment. Oh. Oh, yes. Okay. Sorry. Nice try.
It's good. Go ahead. Morning. Um, public comment. We have Sue Miller followed by Joe Wishmire. Excuse me. Did what? Steve, did you want to say something first? Yeah, she can go ahead first.
Oh, okay. Sue Miller, lower Makumbi. I I'm really confused what what it is you're approving. The last time you you were approving
that if it's on the property owner's side that the property owner is responsible and if it's on the village side the village is responsible. has that been changed to
so so in other words my grinder pump backed up this past week and it was the grinder pump's problem. There was no red light. There was no
siren. There's no SCADA system. And so when a backup occurs, I'm responsible be because the backup is on my side of the grinder pump, but it was caused by the grinder pump.
That doesn't make any sense to me. And uh and the same is true if somebody at my house flushes a dirty diaper down the toilet and it does damage to the grinder pump, I should be responsible, not the
village. And and so I I think that that there needs to be some responsibility for the person for for the entity that created the problem.
not just a simple if it's here it's one thing if it's there it's another thing I think it should be the responsibility of the the person that created the problem and I I read this over and over again I can't tell what you're doing thank you
um AJ is there way we can do on a casetoase basis because I agree with Sue that you know if Go ahead if there's if there's three people hooked up to one system and then how you going to prove who flushed the the diaper, right? It's on the village
who has the baby, right? Who has the baby? But who was visiting with a baby? Okay. All right. Well, I guess then go ahead. But I also had a question. Is is there um because I don't remember Sue may know
but uh on a grinder pump is there a um backflow pre on on the house side of on every home yes every home is required to have a backflow preven it's within a few feet of the when it exits the building. So if you have a multiple pipes additions things like that you can
have multiple backflow preventers. So, even though in Sue's case in particular, um just because she brought it up, sorry Sue, um if the alarm the alarm didn't go off and the light didn't go off and the
ska system isn't there and the backflow pre should have prevented it to go into the house. Correct. Correct. And I'm I'm on her page, too, is because that was my argument last time. So the backflow preer will prevent anything
from going upstream into the house, but it's connected to the grinder basin. So nothing is going upstream. Only things are coming downstream. So if you continue to keep on on a on a grinder pump in that system cuz there's only one person connected to it. on a vacuum pit
if you have, you know, up to four homes connected to it. If your neighbor is the higher property and they keep flushing and flushing and you happen to be the low property, your black flow preer will prevent that from coming into your home. Does that answer everything? Are you good?
No, but I'm not getting a better answer. So, I've tried twice now, three times now. So, okay, Joe, I believe it's your turn. Unless somebody else has something for AJ. Steve, did you want to say something first? Okay.
Yes. Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. I guess the confusion comes in because where I live, we were the first community to get this. And I remember I believe her name was Chris Harris. Her house was so severely damaged that it
had to be demolished. what you're trying to pass now. The ordinance states that the village of Isa Marada shall not be liable for any damages caused by a wastewater backup occurring on private property.
It's the owner's responsibility to repair and clean up. The owner should be responsible for anything. I don't know how in good conscious you could you can do that because that's insinuates if there's a if there's a problem and
it's not caused by the personal private property, it's caused by the village. Now you're saying too bad. It also says in there, oh maybe we should go out and spend more money, get extra insurance that would cover
this. That's not our responsibility. I believe that if if there's a situation and it's caused by something that the village is responsible for that the village should be responsible for the damages.
So, like I say, it how in good conscious you can say, "No, we're not doing this." And it sounds to me like you're trying to put all your eggs in one basket, this little tiny backflow valve, which
nobody ever checks. We don't know exactly how to do that, but we know they have failed in the past, too. But those two were also installed by the village. So, I would hope that you would reward this to make it so that no, the owners
of the property are responsible no matter what. I don't think that's fair. Thank you. Okay, go ahead, Steve. Um, I'm sorry. We do have a hand up on Zoom as well. Um, it's Alena Davis and give me just one sec to get her set up here.
Okay, Elena, go ahead. You've got three minutes. Okay. Can you hear me? Yes, ma'am. Excellent. So, I know of two instances that this happened on private property.
Neither one of them have the grinder pump system. And both of them, one in Venetian Shores and one on Plantation Boulevard, were both told by the village, "It's your fault." But yet it
was the problem at the monument or whatever the gravestone, whatever you want to call that thing that's out on the street that caused it. It was a malfunction of that system. And both of
those the village has thrown up their hands and said, "No, you know, we know it's a problem. We know what happened, but it's not our fault and it's all on you. And that is just not
right. If the system is faulty, the village needs to accept responsibility for it. Just as we if I have a leak in my roof, that's my responsibility. Something
happened. But if something happens to the village sewer system that causes that to come into my house, okay, maybe my backflow valve didn't work, but if the sewer village system or
village sewer system, sorry, had been operating properly, it would not have backed up into my house. Thank you. Okay, anybody else? I have one more comment. Okay. If I may.
Anybody else? Marty, you want to go first? Do you want me to? Okay. Uh, no, ma'am. Okay. Really? Done this time. Go ahead. Let Steve go first just because he's tried three times. Well, I I just um I worked with John a little bit on some of this language um in regarding some of the concerns I
think that we heard from the public and and just adding a little bit of language that hopefully might uh clear it up a little bit. And so, um, I don't know, John, if you want to go ahead and and profer what what we talked about. Yeah, sure. The the, um, the the
language, and I've got a copy that I can pass out so you guys can can see it as well. It's in section two of I guess it's subsection C2 where it's the first section talks about the owners and customers shall be responsible for repairs. It's adding um it says repairs
shall be responsible repairs corrective action cleanup and damages resulting from a waste wastewater backups occurring on private property and then this is the new language for which the or the proposed new language for which the owners or customers acts or emissions are approximate cause of the
backup and then you continue on with that sentence. Then there's two additional uh proposed additions or two more proposed additions. You go two sentences below. Uh it says the village of Isa Marada
shall not be responsible for any damages caused by a wastewater backup occurring on private property. And then the new proposed language is resulting from an act or omission by the owner or customer. And then continuing on. And then the third and final proposed
addition is on the next page. It's in subsection two. Um, and uh, it's the very last sentence where it says the village shall confirm the location of the wastewater backup whether on private property or on the village's wastewater system. And then the proposed addition is and inform the owner/c customer of
the village's determination. Does that answer your question, Deb, or do you have something else? It does answer my question, but I still would like to say because AJ has said, you know, if you continue to flush and flush and flush, then you're going to cause a
backup, but if you don't know what's going on out there, how are you going to know to not flush? So, um I like your your um good job. It's Yeah, I can't take credit for it, Steve. So,
yes, good. That's I agree with Steve and Deb because it's uh to me I don't see it think it should just be the person the resident's fault. That's crazy to me. Right. Yeah. So where do we go from here? John, do we redo this or approve it as this says or
does anybody have anything else to say? If you all are comfortable with the language or if somebody wants to make a motion, it would be a motion to amend uh to approve as amended as read by the village attorney. Okay. First, did you want to say something before? Well, I think I had a motion. I'm going to withdraw the motion so we can fix this. Thank you.
Okay. Anna, do you have anything? I'd like that. I I I Yeah. So, Steve, are are you are you because we haven't had time to really study it? Are you comfortable with You've heard the
conversation of what we're trying to get to is it's it may not be the customer's fault. Um, from what I heard without studying this, it sounds right. Are you comfortable with the language that you guys work? Yes. I would make the motion as stated
by the read by the village attorney. She didn't. Joe, do you want Can I just ask one question? If if if we luckily I haven't had to deal with this, so I don't know what the answer is. If there is a backup and I have to call a plumber out and they determine that it's
the village's side and that's causing the problem, do I still have to pay for that or can I get reimbursed by the village for that unnecessary plumbers's code and now you're adding another layer to this. I think I think the original answer was
that you should always call the village first. Correct. Yeah, I was going to say I can answer that. We we put it out beyond belief. Call Alam first. We will come out. We are your utility service. We come at no additional charge. We will come out and if whatever it is, if it's
a backup on your side, we'll let you know. Yeah. Go ahead and call a plumber out. And we are maintaining the phone numbers on the towers so that people have easy access, right? Yes. Yes. Our emergency number is everywhere and they do answer the phone.
Yes. And it's there's redundancy. If it doesn't go to the first person, it there's a a call list. So, it'll go down the line. John. Yeah. I was just going to remind that there's a motion on the table. Um, it doesn't have a second, but at least I didn't hear.
No, I Council Member Friedman made a made a motion. I will second his motion. Morning. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Harton.
Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. That motion passes 5 to zero. Okay. 15. John. 15 is uh these are ordinances on first reading. It's an ordinance of Marta Village, Florida, amending chapter 66, waterways, article 1 in general, section
66-2, operation of vessels in restricted areas of the village code to create a slow speed minimum wake zone generally located northwest of lignite channel uh bridge off lower Madakumbi Key in the area generally known as Stark's wheel ditch, providing for severability, providing for inclusion in the code, and
providing for an effective date. Peter, I like this one. Okay. Okay. Well, good evening, council. So, as you are, I'm sure, well, aware, there are some significant safety concerns within the Starks Wheel Ditch, uh, due to it being an extremely narrow
channel, boats traveling at an excessively high rate of speed. It's essentially a mangrove tunnel with a blank turn in the middle. There has been numerous boating accidents within it, including a fatality. Um, the council did give direction uh to the staff to draft an ordinance that you have before
you this evening. Um it does have support as you heard from Diane for the nearshore water citizens advisory committee as well. Um we do have the authority to establish such a regulatory zone uh and enforce it. Um we
also has the support of the Monroe County Sheriff's Office as well as the Dark Service, the Florida Park Service who manages the adjacent lignum vitey ki aquatic preserve. So we did speak with Lou Dodson who manages that and she is also in support of it. As you heard from
Diane the next steps if this is passed this evening the the first reading we will begin immediately on the permitting which is necessary for the two or four buoys uh that would denote the beginning and the end of the zone. So we're proposing a pair of buoys on each end of
the channel. Um so timewise Diane was spot on. Unfortunately that would take a while. It would be, I would say, a minimum of 6 months, maximum of a year just because it will require Army Corps permitting. So, probably somewhere in in the middle there. Um, and staff is
recommending adoption of this uh ordinance on first reading. Happy to answer any questions if there are any. No, I think it's great. So, anybody have any questions for Peter? Um, Peter, I had a couple of people call me and say that um, uh, you know, that's
that's their route back and forth and they use that a lot. And would it be uh better to make it um for just to limit the size of the boat rather than the speed? because some of these boats that are going through there are the two and
three and four engine boats that are big and those are the ones that have created the the the accidents in the past and I don't know the history of that than the last one. Well, there's been a couple in there and it seems like it was always a
larger boat that was involved. Is it would it I know is it better to do a to to just limit the size or or the speed in there? Speed. Well, it's my understanding from previous experience um based on statutes
that it is not possible to regulate by vessel size really and we learn that through everybody's national park zoning, national marine sanctuary zoning. There's just there's just no ability to do that. So, I don't think that's possible. So, this the best by far the best
alternative could certainly save lives. Okay. Thank you. That's all. I know you were one of the people firsthand experience on this one. We were just one of the ones that were just waked and pushed up into the mangroves by another boat in that wheel ditch. Yeah. From a big boat. So, I'm 100% for
it. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. I think unfortunately over the years um that ditch has actually widened considerably uh which has allowed larger vessels. And because of that, it's that's why it's called the wheel ditch. The the the props have actually dug out
and made it deeper. So, it it it's more um attractive to bigger boats to go through there, which is obviously very dangerous. and um and and knowing that we have full support from our our nearshore uh water committee and uh our staff, I'm I'm I'm behind it. So,
all right. Do I have a motion then? I'll make the motion. Second. Second. Marty. Okay. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. And who was our second? I don't know. Do we need to comment on council member Anna Richards?
Yes. Was close. Wait, I did I didn't ask for public comment. That's what I was going to ask. I'm going to get time out. Um, we did not have anyone. Oh, see, I knew that. Keep going. See? Okay. So, I did Steve and Anna.
Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Uh, Vice Mayor Don Horton. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yes. That motion passes 5 to zero. Okay. John 16. 16 is an ordinance of I am village violence Florida creating chapter 66
waterways article one in general section 66-4 restricted activities in public and private marinas of the village code to create a humanpowered vessel and non- vessel activity exclusion zone and public and private marinas providing for severability providing for inclusion in the code and providing for an effective
date okay is there any public comment [Music] There is not. Okay. Council, any Go ahead, Steve. Yeah, I I I spoke to John about this as
well. Um, in in reading this, it just it seems uh it seems really broad. We we've been approached by maybe a couple of marinas that I know of um asking for this. Uh the definitions don't seem really tight enough. You know, for
example, um, Safe Harbor Angler House, that's that's a that's a private um, marina, considered private marina. They do paddle boarding and kayaking out of there. So, this would not allow that um, should it pass. So, I I think that we
need to um kind of uh tighten this up um and maybe even I think defer this uh to another time where we can kind of look at it and see uh to uh maybe instruct the village manager to speak to some of the other marinas to see really if we
have consensus among them for something like this. Anybody else? Don, you have your mic on? No. No, you don't. Anna, Deb, no. Um I whatever this because this is
kind of a new uh concept. Um if there's things that is been overlooked, I I agree that we should reach out and make sure that we've got it right. Um I think it's important that we try to do something along these lines. We have
people that we're we're going to we're going to end up killing somebody one of these days. And so we need to to get this in place, but um yeah, maybe we need to do some kind of reach out to more uh marinas. Maybe
that's the answer to make sure that we haven't excluded something that they need. So, can we turn it back to the staff to uh maybe find out what the average because I agree with him about the paddle boards and I agree with you that, you know, different marinas have
different situations, you know. So I mean we can we can take this off the off the table today um uh as long as the council's okay with that and you know continue the discussion with the uh with the marinas including with additional marinas and and uh make
sure we have input from everyone uh and then once we do we can bring it back um uh or potentially bring it back I should say. Okay. So do we need a formal vote to pull it or just everybody good with taking it off? Don you okay with it? Okay. So,
okay. So, let's go to 17. 17 is an ordinance of Alamada Village, Florida, amending chapter 4 animals, article 1 in general of the village code to create a section 4-101, taking and feeding poulhed providing for
severability, providing for inclusion in the code, and providing for an effective date. Any public comment, Marne? No, ma'am. Okay. Council, anything? I do. Go ahead. So, I I got really confused over this one because section 4-101 says it shall
be unlawful for any person to take a pile, but then under C2 it says nothing in this section shall prevent a property owner from taking a p file. So, um I mean,
well, it's not taking a p foul. It's just getting it away from your off of your property. So, like I have occasionally I'll have a peacock come on my property cuz we have cats and there'll be some food out there and they come out there and peacocks don't like water. So, I'll go out there and I'll
spray it with a hose and it gets off my property. It doesn't harm the peacock. At least I don't think it does. Um, okay. So, nobody's gonna be mad when my dog starts chasing them off my property. Well, it Yeah. Well, it says without harming though, so she doesn't She doesn't harm him, but she scares the hell out of
So, I mean, that's what it was designed that we don't want. We're trying I'm trying to When I wrote it, I was trying to create a a scenario where you're not forced if you've got three peacocks on your roof to just sit there and listen to them at, you know, 2:00 in the morning and there's nothing you can do.
It's Listen, if they're you can get them off your property, but in a humane way. So removing them and taking them is different. Is different. Yes. Yeah. This is just you're on your property. You can you shoe them away or you know, like I said, I do I get the hose and Okay. All right. Cool.
Maybe maybe we should insert a word or phrase with without harming without it. It does say in there that in a manner that does not physically It does. It does. I'm sorry. Yeah. Just don't use the eggs to play fetch with the dogs. Yes. Right.
The eggs are delicious. And don't don't use them for breakfast. They're full of protein. Yeah, they are. Whale and peacock eggs. Um, just so everybody knows, I had a conversation with Marca. She will, if someone does feed the peacock, she will
code enforcement for Monroe County, which is us. She will first start with a a fine and then it gets worse where she will be tred and feathered with peacock feathers. So you don't warn him first. Yes, there's a warning first. Warning first, then a fine. Yep.
And she will handle it just like she does other like the chickens and stuff here. So So she's on board with us just so everybody knows. And also the the county is aware of this too with the I've spoken with the county attorney's office. They're they're aware of of this issue within the village too.
Okay. Any public comment? No, ma'am. Okay. To approve. Oh, we'll move to approve. Do I have a second? Second. Barney, would you call the role? Vice Mayor Don Horton? Yes, ma'am. Council member Anna Richards.
Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney. Yay. For the peacocks, yes. Motion passes 5. Okay. All right. Last but not least, uh we are on tab 18, an ordinance of Mara Village
of Islands, Florida, amending chapter 50, article 3 of the village code titled traffic and vehicle speed zone section 50-53 speed zones established to create a maximum speed zone of 20 mph for vehicles operating on Cortez Drive, providing for inclusion in the code, providing for severability, and
providing for an effective date. As you'll see, this is this adds Cortez Drive to the list of uh various uh roads within the village that has a uh speed maximum speed limit of 20 mph. Arie, is there any public comment?
There is not. Okay. Council, do you have any questions? Deb, I I just have one comment. Under budget impact, uh there is signage going on the road, right? Yes, sir. Yes, there would be a change. Oh, here comes AJ.
I I that I don't either. That's the reason I'm asking. No worries. Actually, there'll be a reduction in signage because I will not have to have multiple signs for each one. Uh we have a sign that'll go at the entrance to the neighborhood that says 20 m hour for the neighborhood. So, it'll actually be a reduction in
signage. It's a process because that road is currently posted at 25. It would be 20 and 25. So, that 25 m per hour sign would come out. the other the other one farther down would come out as well. Okay. All right. So, I guess that explains why there's no impact except
you got to take a sign out. Anyone else have anything, Steve? Yeah, I think this is great. Um, residents have have reached out to me about this and I think that this somehow got overlooked and I think we're just um correcting it and in the uh in the idea of public safety.
Okay. Um, anybody else? Do I have a motion then? Motion to approve. I'll second. Marne. Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes. Council member Deb Gillis. Yes. Council member Anna Richards. Yes. Vice Mayor Don Harton. Yes. And Mayor Sharon Mahoney.
Yes. Motion passes. 5. Okay. Before we go, John, I have a question for you. Tab 10, which was the uh witch hunt on this village council. Can we find out who I need to take off my Christmas card list to this?
Oh, filed the complaint. Yeah. You're asking if I will do the we can do a public records request. Yeah, I think I think we all need to know. I think that maybe $20,000 to the taxpayers for something that
didn't bring anything. This maybe might be, you know, a wakeup call that before you better have your facts straight before you go attacking people who give their time and energy to this. So, I'd like to know who did it and it seems to be not available for us to know. So, I'm
asking you if you can find it for us. Yeah. If there's a consensus on council, I can do a public records request to the state attorney's office for the the complaint. Okay. So, how does arrest the council fail? Deb, do you want to do it? I don't care one way or the other. Okay. Don to know.
Okay. I say yes. Sure. I think it's right for the taxpayers to know whose money is being spent. No problem. Okay. Thank you very very much. Appreciate that. Okay. We're done. Thank you.