i pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all cheers
yep all right everybody welcome to the Jackson Township Planning Board on April 21st uh this meeting has been appropriately noticed according to the open public's meeting act and all the appropriate forums and places madam Chairwoman uh we'll have uh a approval
of payment of the voucher for the recording secretary oh first the roll call please mr bernstein here Mr marzo Mr heler Mr rogers here Mr tamer Miss Rose here
Mr weart mr dr sullivan here and Dr campbell here now payment voucher for recording secretary take a motion please i'd like to make a motion to pay the recording secretary second second treamer roll call please mr bernstein
yes mr marzo yes mr rogers yes mr treamer yes miss Rose yes mr weart Mr sullivan yes dr camp yes and a uh motion for approval of the minutes for March
24th please motion Bernstein roll call please mr heler oh sorry mr rogers yes mr treamer yes miss Rose yes mr sullivan yes dr campbell yes and
I believe we have some resolutions yes we do okay resolution 2025-11 of the planning board of the township of Jackson County of Ocean State of New Jersey granting an approval amendment for the modification to an
approval condition for 340 West Commodore LLC block 25001 lot 3 all members are eligible to vote roll call please motion we need a motion please motion
Bernstein second sullivan roll call please mr bernstein yes mr marzo yes mr rogers Mr treamer yes miss Rose yes mr weart Mr sullivan yes dr campbell
yes resolution 2025-12 of the Planning Board of the Township of Jackson County of Ocean State of New Jersey confirming the approval of an extension of periodica of protection pursuant to
NJSA4-55D-52D again all members are eligible to vote roll call please we need a motion motion please motion Bernstein second Sullivan mr bernstein yes mr marzo yes mr rogers
yes mr treamer yes miss Rose yes mr weart Mr sullivan yes dr campbell yes the next one is resolution 2025-13 of the planning board of the Township of Jackson County of Ocean
State of New Jersey confirming approval of extension of period of time for the applicant to perfect the minor subdivision by recorded deed or plat pursuant to NJSA 40-55D-47 eligible to vote are Mr rogers
Mr shreamer Miss Rose Mr sullivan and Dr campbell motion please motion to approve sullivan second Rose roll call please mr rogers yes mr chamer
yes miss Rose yes mr sullivan yes dr campbell yes we have some changes to the Oh there's one more oh there's one more oh I don't have that one on my list resolution 2025-14 resolution of the planning board of the Township of Jackson County of
Ocean State of New Jersey granting preliminary and final major site plan approval with a required variance and design waiver for the construction of a 33,000 square foot three-story building for Moshi Blumen grants block
4301 lot 20 eligible to vote are Mr rogers Mr treamer Miss Rose Mr sullivan and Dr campbell all right motion please motion to approve Sullivan second Rose mr rogers yes mr chamer yes miss Rose
yes mr sullivan yes dr campbell yes that it nice job Mr shay all right we do have some changes to the schedule block 21702 lots 37 and 38 by Shalom is
carried from tonight to July 7th with notice required we'll take a motion for that so move Sullivan second Demarzo all in favor i any opposed thank you lot
2301 4201 and 431 various lots jackson 21 is carried from May 5th to August 18th with notice required u we'll take a motion please
motion Bernstein second Sullivan all in favor i any opposed uh we will cancel the meeting for May 5th because we have no applications we
need a motion on that so moved Svin all in favor happily i um Madame Secretary do do we have a a meeting on the 19th it looks like that's canled we currently do um we don't have
any applications as of yet we have a few outstanding ones that might be able to be put on that agenda i'm not sure so we shouldn't cancel it publicly we can if you
we may want to hold off on that all right so we'll we'll consider that administratively when the time comes everybody just keep an eye let's hope the email is working by then so that we can all get in touch otherwise we're going to start texting each other all
right okay and uh for the master plan report how many months have we done this subcommittee we have finished the master plan on the subcommittee in what do you think like
November and we are still awaiting the state and the township to rectify our affordables situation much to our great dismay and the problem continues to be the scheduling of when
we will have our public meeting because until we have the state approval we cannot plug it in to the master plan and therefore we cannot notice so we're all on pins and needles and waiting for that to happen but believe me no group is
more distressed than this subcommittee that we worked for over a year and we cannot get this off the starting block so I can't apologize for this committee but I I guess I can try to apologize for
the state and the township thank you may I ask one question on that uh once the state does give you the numbers how long will it take after that to potentially announce Mr shay so so it's it's really unknown so so we kind of have a lot of
You ever heard the the uh the good quote the known unknowns and then the unknown unknowns problem is is that the um the state put a feasibility standard in and they didn't give any uh
guidelines any guidelines really it's the way you want to put it as to how to go about getting that accomplished so we've made a number of submissions but the problem is is that the the we don't know if that's going to be satisfactory or not and they reserve the
right to come back and uh ask us for more information and we're kind of just at their beck and call um so until you know we have a we have a deadline pursuant to the resolution but but the problem is is that if they come back and keep on saying we need this we need that
we need it you know we're kind of just we're at their mercy in the dark here and I believe the state requirement is June 1st that they need all the information from the township by June 1st but that doesn't mean that they have to give us back their approvals by June
1st so you know I see this going into July or August and as distressing as that may be um the master plan is to the point I mean it's this big we've done several edits now and
we're to the point where the information can be plugged in literally plugged in we have spots available we just need those numbers we just need those numbers in order to plug in until the state comes back and rubber stamps the feasibility of it uh we're kind of just
in a holding pattern um and we're at their mercy if they want more documentation they have every right to ask it and then you know we come back and say okay well is this going to be enough and they say me I don't know and then and then we get a phone call two weeks later here we say you know um so
that's kind of where we're just we're in a holding pattern right now they make a decision from the township on this i know the town affordable attorney has been pushing the state and the town's position is that we've spent enough time and money and energy on this the longer it goes on it cost the town even more um
so I think the town is more than ready to be done and I think we're waiting for Mr laboo to hear back from the state and we we have another issue is that the engineer the firm that has been hired you know now we're going into year one and a half instead of the we thought
year so you know things are not easy but I agree Dr campbell's I think time frame i think July and August would be an accurate description yeah we're that's where we're looking right now so that's that's a a lot worse than it was when we were considering April or May so okay now we
can move on with our guests welcome Sorry absolutely working working good evening Madame Chair members of the board board professionals and public my name is Kenneth Pape i'm with the firm of Hybrin Pap and this evening I have the
privilege of representing your applicant this is an application for a minor subdivision approval before we begin a substantive presentation may I ask that your council or secretary confirm receipt of our notices and confirm that the venue has
been established thank you receive notice yes receipt of those and thank you this is a this is a minor subdivision request it's a 45 acre parcel that was partially improved with the ShopRight Shopping Center the
request is to create two lots the the there are no variances associated with the shopping center lot or the lot that's to be created we're in the highway commercial zone the rema the new lot is a little more than 13 and a half
acres and the lot that will embrace the shopping center is a little over 30 acres the presentation is proposed to be made by Joshua Seawald who's a professional engineer with Dynamic and with your permission Madam Chair I'll
introduce him to you and have him sworn and begin his presentation great thank you thank you come on up come on down looking rather tan these days he must have been a robba or something
do they know that you have triplets at home twins twins twins that's That's not suntan that's sitting in the bathroom under the sun lamp and that's right you want to stand and uh do you swear and affirm to tell the truth
the whole truth nothing but the truth i do all right please state your name and spell your last for the record certainly good evening everybody josh Seawald from Dynamic Engineering Consultants i last testified before your board in uh June of 2024 for Flex Warehouse uh my license is still standing both in engineering
and planning and I've been accepted for before over 100 boards throughout the state of New Jersey board except Yes we do and welcome back thank you very much Madam Chair i thank you i'm going to ask Mr seald if you could um I think perhaps repeat what I just placed in the opening
statement if you could identify the property's location its lot and block identify the two lots that are proposed and if we could affirm that there's no variance relief requested if you just speak into the microphone I'm so sorry yeah the problem is that we're being recorded and there are quite a number of
people at home so thank you certainly Mr bape um this matter this evening is much simpler than some of the other applications I've presented before you uh it is 260 North County Line Road again as Mr pap identified as an introduction it is essentially the uh
ShopRight Shopping Center it is a property that's located again on North County Line Road and Cook Road it is block 5101 lot one um as Mr p also mentioned is opening is approximately 45 acres in size we are very simply looking
for a minor subdivision what is a minor subdivision it is essentially taking one lot and splitting that into two lots there are no proposed improvements there's no development scope there's no site plan details that you're this board is very accustomed to seeing so the plans that have been submitted before
you are simply taking the boundary line showing you what's out there today based on that existing shopping center and splitting it into two we wanted to prepare a buy application meaning that there's no uh variances associated with the subdivision and overall we'll be
splitting that lot into two so again the original track is approximately 45 acres we'll be splitting that second lot off to be approximately 13.5 acres in size there's currently no plans at this time for the development although there's some ideas from the applicant and the owner um but that's essentially what
we're looking for minor sub if you would also confirm that there's no development proposal before the board but there are also no improvements on the portion of the property that we're asking be created as a vacant lot that is correct so the the subdivided parcel
that 13 and a half acres and change there's no existing improvements out there it's undeveloped vacant land and does does this interfere with the property that uh Shopright is on now is there any problem with there's no interference correct the no interference
at all the separation of the lot is just north of all the improvements associated with the shop yes I see it's north of all the parking improvements and so there's no interference with with their numbers that's correct madame Chair I think what you're asking the applicant
is simply to indicate that the bulk standards for this zone are complied with both on the developed lot and the undeveloped lot not only the bulk requirements but the design standards so we have a shopping center with so many square feet that
required so many parking spaces by making the lot 30 acres instead of 45 acres we're looking for affirmative testimony we're creating a conforming lot in the developed area as well as the undeveloped area and you say it so professionally and well thank you so
much thank you for making it so clear madam Chair I'm going to ask Mr seawol to answer that question mr peters very nice summary yes we affirm that testimony that it is uh compliant both on the developed portion the shop rate portion as well as the
undeveloped portion your engineer identified in a report the potential of bulk variance relief for the proximity of a parking lot to the property line we prepared a a blowup of that area to
demonstrate that variance relief is not required i'm going to ask that Mr se will speak to it but before the meeting we gave Mr cle an opportunity to take a look at the blowup um knowing that we're going to be testifying to that point if
you would certainly know if they had the separate except up yet but I have the USB just in case and Mr cle you had enough time to adequately yes I've looked at it um and there's no variances there's there's enough
distance okay Mr cle's testimonies in place no problem and we we agree with that um just a just a question as far as the um new vacant lot that's going to be established um I think it's obvious that the plan was to join the two properties
have the cross access easements been established yet the cross access easements have not been established development plans for the vacant lot are not in place we had we had anticipated that when we came before the board and we don't know what that
would be i'll speak to it in a moment we don't know what that would be that we would be creating cross access cross circulation you'll you'll need them at one point thank you thank you okay in color there's two issues that we we need your
guidance from madam chair and board members first is that there is along Cook Road there are no sidewalks um we would we recognize that sidewalks will ultimately be the requirement of the town we would ask that if this board were to favorably grant the subdivision
relief that we're asking this evening that it be a condition that any site plan for the development of the property provide those sidewalks at the time of development that's that's good because we're asking for that for almost everywhere now that
sidewalks are really important for safety of the uh residents walking in these areas we we agree and we recognize it we're asking that it be a condition of a future site plan instead of a condition of the subdivision there's also there is a wetland delineation that
was professionals yeah Madam Chair I apologize for interrupting um all applications for development are subject to curbs and sidewalks when the applicant was here originally um from reading the 1997 resolution they were
granted certain relief as it related to curbs and sidewalks based upon the design standards in 1997 so what they did was they created if you've been to the site when you come in off of Countyline Road there's a sidewalk on the left side goes in front of the McDonald's the bank and goes out to Cook
Road and so that was the the solution putting sidewalk out on Cook Road and making people walk into the site you're going to have people walk along your frontage have them walk past your tenants right so there's no harm no foul to their request
because there's no improvements being proposed to the vacant site and the vacant site gets improved and perhaps the board will consider extending the improvements north along Cook to the construction access the construction company
driveway andor throughout the site similar to what was done to the developed portion of the site i think the same argument the same theory is going to be applied to the wetlands and I think Mr paper's just
getting ready to discuss that thank you and fi and finally madam chair and board members there in in the 1990s the wetland delineation was done for this property and the wetland delineation was perfected and the wet and the shopping center was built based
on that wetland delineation that wetland delineation is no longer a valid wetland delineation it was Mr seald will tell you that they went out in the field and verified the wetlands are in virtually the same place that they were those
years ago when we come before you with a site plan we will sim simultaneously make application to the DP for a letter of interpretation for wetlands and any other relief that's required we respect the request that we be permitted to perfect the minor subdivision with an
outstanding obligation to the town and the board that there'll be a wetland delineation as part of a site plan development plan that's good because otherwise we wouldn't approve it well said thank you when when was the walk done of the delineation like what what when when was the walk done of the
delineation line oh within the last uh 60 to 90 days when Okay so you have that you're going to be submitting that at the end correct it just as this board knows the D has no statuto for an LOI minor subdivision is about 190 days so we don't want to wait another 18 to 24
months to to do this so we we're asking the board because there's no site improvements and it was a good comment from your professionals because you have the exclusion of the wetlands areas and the overlay there's ample upland area where the wetlands won't be able to create a negative situation so if we can
condition that as Mr papwell summarized to the site plan component that'll be more appropriate there was also an inquiry as to what our clients development plans are our clients did not have development plans about a month ago when the affordable housing fourth round was announced our
clients did write to Robin Leu indicating that they'd be interested in participating if that opportunity became available but there's no no formal development plans before any agency you'll be the first to know thank you
always good to know that is your applicant's direct presentation a two lot subdivision conforming with the highway commercial zone no variance relief requested and the conditions that we placed before you would be conditions that we would welcome in any subdivision
resolution thank you is there any public who would be in wanting to come forward to speak on this uh project in attendance then we don't have to do that well yeah I would just let's we'll we
can wrap both up in one formally open i'll make a motion to open the public portion of cross-examination solomon and second treamer we'll do both at the same time okay cross-examination and testimony
second all in favor i all right anyone interested in speaking on this project come forward now please seeing no one come forward I move to close the cross-examination and public comment and testimony portion of this application soliv second shamemer all in
favor i I thank you Madam Chair i think I summed before your public application so we respectfully ask the board to consider the relief favorably there's it's variancef free minor subdivision approval
uh gentlemen anything from you nothing here any questions from the board to the applicant professionals then we'll accept a motion please uh I make a motion to approve the minor
subdivision of two uh 260 North County Line Road block 5101 lot one Sullivan second tremer take a roll call please mr bernstein yes mr marzo yes mr rogers yes mr tamer yes
miss Rose yes mr weart yes mr solomon yes dr camp yes congratulations thank you all we look forward to seeing you again soon thank you all good night we'll accept a motion to adjurnn i'll make a motion to adjurnn second solivan
all in favor i have a good night and I uh remind you to keep your eye on the um website and the email about uh May meetings please thank a May meeting if there is one