I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, everybody.
All all of you in the crowd, all two of you. All right. Welcome to the May 19th Jackson Township Planning Board meeting. Uh this meeting has been appropriately noticed in all forums and places. Um and we will proceeding with the hearing. Um,
Madam Chair one. Okay. We'll do have the roll call, please. Mr. Bernstein here. Mr. Marzo here. Mr. Heler here. Mr. Rogers here. Mr. Chamer here. Miss Rose here. Mr.
Weart here. Mr. Sullivan here. Dr. Cam here. We're going to go into executive session eventually, but we're waiting for that. So I'm just going to continue on with the payment for voucher for secretary looking for a motion. I make a motion to
pay the voucher. Sullivan second. Bernstein we'll do call. Mr. Bernstein. Yes. Mr. Marzo. Yes. Mr. Heler. Yes. Mr. Rogers. Yes. Mr. Treamer. Yes. Miss Rose. Yes. Mr. Weart. Yes. Mr. Sullivan.
Yes. Dr. Camp. Yes. And we'll have a motion for approval of the minutes from April 21st, please. So move. Sullivan. Second. Demorzo. We'll have a roll call, please. Mr. Bernstein. Yes. Miss Demarzo. Yes. Mr.
Rogers. Yes. Mr. Damer. Yes. Miss Rose. Yes. Mr. Weart. Mr. Sullivan. Yes. Dr. Camp. Yes. Uh, we could take a fivem minute recess and just wait for our RUA attorney to We
could take a fivem minute recess just to wait for our RUPA attorney to get here. You can still sit here and wait once we go into executive session. I'll ask you unless we want to handle Mr. Feffer's administrative Yeah. It shouldn't be any more than five
minutes. We have three resolutions also that we could Well, we don't want to discuss the one resolution because that's what the executive session is about. So it doesn't make sense. So we'll do this. All right, Mr. Fe. Thank you. I know you're going to
have to be flexible. Thank you. I figured this this should really take five minutes, so hopefully if not, you'll tell me to stop and and we'll get back to it after. Okay. Uh good evening, Adam Feffer, attorney behalf of uh the applicant, the Jackson 21 Homeowners Association. Again, I just I just want
to be clear. I'm here on behalf of the HOA, not on the original developer. Um I had sent in a a letter um to to Mr. Sheay. Uh basically what's happening is everyone's familiar with the Jackson 21 development. It's well built and and and
homeowners have now moved in. Um they had come back before this board some months ago to make a few changes. Um, one of the changes they also added multiple times um, they also added in at one point um, the right to have uh, decks. Uh, that resolution which I
reviewed uh, approved decks 10 by 12 in size. Um, there was no real reason to pick that that number. It was just a number from my understanding was put on. Um, I was contacted as apparently there have been many uh, homeowners who have
now sought out to get larger decks. Um when they when they went before uh Mr. Paporo the zoning officer for a zoning certificate he indicated that he can't approve them as they were only approved by 10 by 12. Um I did speak with Mr. Paporo and I asked him if there was a
larger deck would that create a variance or a would they encroach into any of the setbacks again on a one by one. He says no, it wouldn't necessarily do that, but he felt that because the board only approved a deck of 10 by 12, he said it should really come back before this
board. I per I told him I personally respectfully disagree with that because that would mean that any house that was on a part of any subdivision if it didn't show the original deck of a certain size, his position is it should be coming back to this board on a constant basis. Um, so what I what I'm
here this evening is to request is just to allow as long as any individual request for a deck does not create a new variance or encroach into any of the setbacks, Mr. Poor should have the zoning authority to sign off on the
zoning certificate. He Well, the concern the concern is that Mr. Porro is trying to protect the zoning board against having hundreds of people come before them looking for individual variances. Is that the goal?
I'm not sure. Again, so I think he's just trying to protect to make sure that there's no question later on and he's just they picked the size and they went for it. Um what I'm saying is that the individual homeowners have to come in for individual permits each time. Yeah. So they still have to go to the zoning office. Yes. But they don't have to go
before the zoning board. So the protections are still there. Yes. For the township. And if any individual would be creating a variance by doing it or within a setback, he's just going to deny that zoning certificate and it would have to go back before the board. Mr. Before then also sent another email
indicating that they never requested stairs for those decks. Again, my comment is the same. As long as it doesn't encroach in any setbacks or create any variances, we're just looking for guidance. They all have to go before the zoning office. Yes. every single not the
zoning board. Correct. All right. Has any questions from the uh members of Dr. Campbell? Mr. Trump, are any of these decks one or more stories off the ground?
Yes, they'll all be one or more. So, they're not ground level. There are town houses and the town they're coming out of the townhouse. So, they're coming off the town. I assume having been there that they're coming the decks are coming on the second floor. Yes. And right now
they're technically allowed to do a 10 x 12, but if somebody wanted to do a 10 x 14 and it doesn't create a variance, they still have to come back before the board as the way it's written. At least in Jeff's opinion. Well, we already approved the decks, right? But I'm just wondering if you go 15, 18 feet,
whatever they want to go, does it create a structural question? Well, so, so, so basically what happened here was that when we had the original application, um, Mr. Riker wanted to make it equitable for everybody. Everybody had the same size. So, what what happened
was is that we ended up I think it was like 12 by 10 or something something like that. So, the problem is is that everybody's got different size lots, right? Now, uh, what we did is we basically uh created the creature of resolution, but we created implied variances. So the zoning officer is ba
people are coming in to the zoning officer saying, "Hey, listen. I just need a zonoting permit for this." And I think they may be going over like a like a foot or two over what we put in via resolution. And the zoning officer is basically saying, "Hey, listen. You know, we can't um we can't issue a
zoning permit. You actually have to go to the zoning board at this point." So to save basically 75 people from going to the zoning board, what we do is we bring it back to what the ordinance allows them to do, which is just by default. This is whatever the ordinance
specifies. I think it's like 15 or 16 max or something like that. Yeah. Whatever's there. Yeah. Whatever's permitted in the zone, permitted via ordinance. As long as they don't go over that and create a variance, they don't need to go to they don't they don't need to specifically go to the zoning board each and every time. So, it it's just
getting back to what's allowed in the zone anyway. It's administrative. And just for clarification, every one of these uh decks would have to go to the zoning office for permit, right? Correct. Yes. They still would have to get a permit. And the first step to get the permit is you have to go to the zoning officer to
Mr. Raporo or his office for sign off. And that that's why I was saying uh when I spoke with Mr. Raporo said, "But isn't this kind of, you know, crazy if the guy comes in for one foot more, um, but it's not creating a variance." We we art officially basically amended the zone
um, unintentionally. We did it from a perspective of equity, but now it's in the situation where we're creating 75 to 80, you know, zoning board applications, which would just be, I mean, for three or four feet. It's kind of crazy, you know, when it's already permitted in the zone to do that. Call back to the days
on the zoning board when everybody that wanted a generator had to come up with the zoning board for a varian. Exactly. Now, the reason I asked I just want to clarify because I've had a conversation recently with Mr. Pora and if you don't spell it out ABCDE,
it's now a catch 22. They would have to do that because they'd have to file. So, the filing would be ABCD E. We've created the problem. And yes, we have created the problem and and I think we created it for an equity situation. But
in this life, things are not always equitable. If somebody has the property, they should be able to use it to the extent that they can. No, I I agree. I agree. But I mean, it just I just wanted to know if it's more than one story and
because the question of does create another issue. So there probably wouldn't be stairs. It would just be decks that come in and out of the house. So again, so just to answer that, so I I made sure to include Mr. Paporro on the request. Um he responded again, he didn't say, "Yeah, you know, he's
obviously the one telling me to come to the board." He's the one who raised the issue of the steps that we should also include the request because right now the homeowners can't access their backyard from their deck, according to him, because at the original when they came in before the board, they didn't ask for stairs um on those decks. So, he
was the one who raised that concern to me um to make sure I I put it in front of the board. You know, it's interesting because I was driving down the back road of Howell and I was looking at a a site that was very similar and I see that half of the homes have decks with stairs
and half of them do not. So, I can see where somebody would want that access and egress on and off their deck. uh and it makes sense, but we might as well while we're solving one problem, solve another problem, which would be to save
that uh by adding stairs, it would save that same and to go back to Mr. Tremor's point. So, so what happens is that um they'll submit the zoning permit into Mr. Propora, right, to get the zoning permit. He if he identifies as no variances, he will just sign off on it and then then they take that, they bring
it to the building department. the building department has to run it through the international residential code to make sure that you know if a if a stairway or ladder is needed then they have to put it in. So and then they have to get the building permit to do that. So so there's multiple layers to it. So they can't just like go in put a
threetory or twotory deck in you know without any you know fire access or or any emergency access. I mean if it's the international building code or the international residential code is requiring it they got to put it in. All this would be doing is alleviating
have they come before the board for it. Everything else, all the other safeguards are still in place. We're not alleviating any of that and nor is the board granting any variances by doing this. They would have if there was a variance being requested, then it would definitely have to come before the board. So, they'll have to bring in
their their plot, their lot. They would see where the lot line was. So the people who had that one stretch, there's one stretch in that development that that has a short um uh area behind the homes, they could only then have the 10
to 12 only if it's even and even then only if it's within if it doesn't encroach. If it does, they can't even get the 10 x 12. So nothing has changed. Um there was one other request in my in my letter. Uh there is a community pool. Uh the HOA has gotten some requests. they would like to install the fence in
accordance with the new ordinance to have a 8 foot high uh fence. Um I did speak with again Mr. Por on the same request based upon the ordinance. He again said it seems like it would comply if the request came into him but again he said under the same exact rationale and reasonings he told me to come back
to the board. He's saying it wasn't part of the original request so that we should come back here. Um so the request would be again that they would be able to Mr. will be able to review that request and as long as it complies with the new ordinance that they would be able to get their permit.
Any concerns? Any concerns? I have one question. I'm just a little confused on the stairways on the decks. Are there any existing decks that would be required to put a stairway in? First, I don't know if there are any decks that were installed yet because
they just recently had that amendment and then but it seems like I from Mr. Bapor's email to to myself and and to to Miss Campbell and and to Bobby, um it seems like I don't think he would allow a staircase to go in right now uh based upon his interpretation. But if the
board says that you would allow it, then he'll look at it and if they could install one, then it would be okay. But that would be on an individualized basis. Individual. Yes. Correct. This is not cart blanch. This would be each homeowner. Correct. Clarify that. Correct. It's an
option. Yes. And no and no one has to make a larger deck or a smaller deck. It's an option. 100%. Or or no deck. Will the residents also have to get HOA appro HOA approval for this or are they uh So this request I was I was engaged
by the HOA. The HOA was approached by numerous homeowner. I do have a representative here. If you do need to hear from the HOA, I have a representative here. But again, it was the request was coming directly as opposed to all the individuals coming before the board. They got together, went to the HOA, the HOA as a whole came
and is making this request. Okay. So, they're they have it's unified. They they agree. Yes. Any other concerns? Should we take a motion on approving this? We need that. You have to do a motion. Yeah. So, we'll accept a motion,
please. I'd like to make a motion to approve the requested changes for deck, pool, and stairs. For deck, pool, and stairs uh for uh this project. Look for a second. Second, Bernstein.
Let's do a vote, please. Mr. Bernstein. Yes, Mr. Marzo. I just had one question. You said pool. Yeah, of the fence. I'm sorry. I I would have said fence, not pool. Okay. Yes, Mr. Heler. Yes, Mr. Rogers. Yes, Mr.
Dreamer. Yes, Miss Rose. Yes, Mr. Weart. Yes, Mr. Sullivan. Yes, Dr. Camp. Yes. Thank you. Okay, now we're going to go into executive session. So, we're going to have to take a motion and go into executive session. In the meantime, anyone who is sitting here except our
own professionals, um I I'm sorry to ask you to sit elsewhere, find a spot. And just to be clear, so motion to go into executive session for litigation session issues. So we'll accept a motion, please. Motion
to go into second. So all in favor? Now we have to find our attorney. I I just All right. So, we've approved the minutes. We've had executive session. We're back in regular session. And we will now uh go into the
resolutions. Miss Morris. Let's see. Resolution 2025-15 of the planning board of the Township of Jackson, County of Ocean, State of New Jersey, granting preliminary and final major site plan
approval with required variances and design waiverss for the conversion of an existing residential dwelling into a house of worship for 780 Heisen Road LLC, block 131, lots 22 and 23. Eligible
to vote are Mr. Bernstein, Mr. Marzo, Mr. Heler, Mr. Rogers, Mr. Sullivan, and Dr. Campbell. Accept a motion, please. Somebody motion Heler. Second, please. Second,
Mr. Bernstein. And we'll have a roll call vote, please. Mr. Bernstein. Mr. Marzo, yes. Mr. Heler, yes. Mr. Rogers, yes. Mr. Sullivan, yes. Dr. Camp, yes. Resolution
2025-16 of the Township of Jackson, County of Ocean, State of New Jersey, granting preliminary and final major site plan approval for the construction of a two-story synagogue for Bias Medross Hope Chapel, Inc., Block
13601, lots 12 and 13. Eligible to vote are Mr. Bernstein, Mr. Marzo, Mr. Heler, Mr. Rogers, Miss Rose, Mr. Sullivan, and Dr. Campbell. Like to make a motion to approve
2025-16 Sullivan. Second, Rose. Okay. Mr. Bernstein, yes. Mr. Marzo, yes. Mr. Mr. Heler, yes. Mr. Rogers, yes. Miss Rose, yes. Mr. Sullivan, yes. Dr. Campbell, yes. And the last one is
resolution 202517 of the planning board of the township of Jackson, county of Ocean, state of New Jersey, granting preliminary and final major site plan approval with required variances and design waiverss for the construction of
a six tenant 72,443 ft twostory warehouse office building for block 490 LLC. Block 2603, lot 27. Eligible to vote are Mr.
Bernstein, Mr. Marzo, Mr. Rogers, Miss Rose, Mr. Sullivan, and Dr. Campbell. Like to make a motion to approve 2025-17 Sullivan. Second. Bernstein. Okay. Mr. Bernstein,
yes. Mr. Marzo, yes. Mr. Rogers, yes. Miss Rose, yes. Mr. Sullivan. Yes. And Dr. Camp. Yes. Now, we'll have some uh changes to the agenda schedule. Uh block 6501, lot
42.02, My Address LLC. The application is being withdrawn without prejudice. We'll have a vote to approve that withdrawal. Uh so move. Sullivan. Mr. Bernstein.
Yes. Mr. Marzo. Yes. Mr. Heler. Yes. Mr. Rogers. Yes. Mr. Chamer. Yes. Miss Rose. Yes. Mr. Weart. Mr. Sullivan. Yes. Dr. King. Yes. Uh I don't know that we need a vote on this
one. It's June the 9th. Uh meeting is canled because we have no applications. So, uh we don't want to sit here and look at each other. Uh so, uh I'll just ask for a uh all in favor. I I. Anyone opposed? You'll be
shot. All right. Now, we had discussed whether to have a June 23rd meeting. We're going to hold that uh date. So, keep in touch. Look at your email. Pay attention because we may have a meeting
that night. So, keep that on your calendar. Uh just wanted to explain that to you. Um, we also have um an ordinance um 2015-16 review. That's this one. That
That's the master plan, right? That's the master plan one. So, we'll look for a uh vote on a uh motion on the ordinance we just discussed at length uh with our attorney. Uh motion to approve.
Sullivan. A second, please. Second. Heler. And we'll do a vote on that, please. Mr. Bernstein, yes. Mr. Marzo, no. Mr. Heler, yes. Mr. Rogers, yes. Mr.
Treamer, yes. Miss Rose, yes. Mr. Weart, Miss Mr. Sullivan, yes. Dr. Campbell, yes. Uh, we uh have a um master plan report. Did we get something from our attorney that I requested? Oh,
uh, yes, we did. I emailed it to you. Um, I didn't see it. So, so ba, basically, just to sum it all up, um, what we're doing with the affordable housing is that we're waiting on the affordable housing commission to approve or deny the feasibility studies that
we've sent to them. Um, we have a I think it's a June 29th or June 30th deadline pursuant to the uh pursuant to the agreement that we have with them. We've requested an extension um because we don't know how long it's going to take for them to get simple answers back
to us. But um we've requested it just to be safe, which is why I think we we may have to keep the June 23rd meeting open just just in the event that we get denied because they have denied multiple townships, I think seven in in the past month or two. Um so just to be on the
safe side, we're going to keep that one open. Um and we're just waiting to hear back. I mean, unfortunately, they kind of um now here's the problem. We have where we requested a 30-day extension, but the
law says that we have to meet with the public on this by June 30th. So, we're between a rock and a hard place. We have not seen the finals because the state has not given us back the affordable numbers to plug into the
master plan. So, it's again between a rock and a heart. Yeah. And it gets a little it gets a little dangerous which is why you don't want to play with it because what happens is that if in the event that we go beyond the time frame uh we essentially wave our our immunities uh pursuant to statute. So
what that means is that any developer can come in let's say they want to put like a 100% affordable unit in um they can initiate what's what's called a builder's remedy litigation and and attempt to do so. So, we want to make sure that we don't wave those those immunities. Um and and we make sure that
we either get the extension or we get this in within the deadline, but they're kind of we're kind of shackled a little bit right now because we're waiting on the response back from them to kind of either proceed and move forward or we're going to have to go back and and get
additional information for the feasibility uh to determine if you know the the the sewer, the water, the electricity, the plumbing, if that's capable for what we're looking at. So, it's we want to preserve our immunities,
but at the same time, we need them to give us the numbers to, you know, give us some kind of feedback and we're just waiting on that. So, that that that's kind of the update. That's where we're at. And I know Miss Demarzo and Mr. Heler and I are just beyond distressed because this that
has taken the state months beyond we've been finished with this whole process for months and months and months and we're just stuck in the uh the state's um ability to get us the information we need in order to plug in these numbers.
And once you do have the numbers, how long would it take, do you think, to have it finished? it it will be it it's finished. It just needs literally those blank spaces for put those numbers in there. Right. So So what happens to get back to us with the draft, right? So
what happens next week if the state comes back and says everything looks beautiful. You're good to go. We're ready to do this thing. Um but if the state comes back and says, "Ah, you know what? you know, you guys look like you, you know, PSC PSNG, you know, doesn't have the capacity over here or, you
know, this one area doesn't have the sewer capacity or you guys are going to have to run 3 miles worth of plumbing in this area or water in this area. That's that's where we're at and we don't know what they're going to come back with. Um, because they're kind of nonresponsive to a certain extent. So,
um, so we're kind of in a holding pattern. Uh, we're we got our fingers crossed. Uh, we're ready to move forward if need be. Um, but we need the feedback from them to be able to get the blessing to move forward pursuant to the agreement so that we can meet the deadline that they imposed. Um, and
that's being mandated by the court. The the June 30 date has mandated. However, we are ahead of the game in that we've already made settlements about our numbers. So, they should give us the 30-day extension with any luck, right?
And that would really be only a matter of review. We we need the time to review. It's the document is this big. It's not small. So, we need the time to review and we've sent in three or four edited drafts already. So, we're we're
hopeful that it's just a matter of plugging in those numbers, but we are frustrated. We have an executive session before session. No. No. the the uh subcommittee will present to the board
and the public at the same time. Yeah, that's how the process works. It was explained to me. I would be happy to do it another way, but this is the way and the planner will be here answering any question and and doing the presentation and any member of the public company
will be here, you know, everyone will be in the room. Yeah. The whole point of it is it's a public meeting that's publicly noticed. So any member of the public can come and and uh talk to the planner and ask any questions they want. And for the convenience of the board, we're going to do it on a regular meeting night. So
that should make life easier for everybody else. So that's why we've gone through this process. And I'm assuming that night not nothing else will be on the agenda. That is that is correct. There'll be nothing and we'll be here till midnight. That is correct. That is correct. That is correct. All right. I think Mr.
Feffer, if we're lucky, we can move on. I believe that's it. Right, Miss Morrison? We finished all our Sorry, there was so much business. Good evening again. Good evening again. Thank you. Adam Feffer, attorney of the
applicant, Whitesville Holdings LLC. Uh the application this evening is for a approximately 7875 square foot warehouse uh in the industrial zone. Uh this property it you
couldn't have created I think a better location for Can I ask you a question? Yes. So I tried to go and find it. There's no road. You can't get there from here. So we will we will you going to explain that to me? Yes. I'll have
the professionals explain. That's a good idea. Yes. Did anybody try to find that building? You can't get there. So, there's a there's a paper street. You know, maybe I should get a helicopter to get I Well, I found it, but there's no W Avenue in Jackson. And there's no road
unless there's a dirt road I missed when I was traversing that whole area on Sunday. It was a joke. The beauty is no one will ever see it. Okay. Unless they're a tenant there. It wasn't me. Mr. Did they drive down railroad? Well, I looked at those railroad tracks and I said to myself, I could probably go down
the side of the railroad, but might not be a good idea. Yeah. So, we we'll get to all of the all those uh testimony. The railroad tracks are in inherently beneficial use. No, no, no comment. I thought it was me. I said, where the
heck is this? Uh there are also a couple of variances that we will be seeking. Um, two of those are both existing conditions of the property. We're not creating those. Then there's some buffering. So, uh, with that, we'll have maybe Mr. Flannry, uh, get sworn in. He's going to be sworn in both as an
engineer and a planner. Um, and I'll ask him if he can after getting sworn in. I think we've already submitted all of the exhibits to have him pre-marked. And I'll ask him to address the road first if you can. All right. Do you swear affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? Jersey and it shows where the site is.
I'm sorry. And you accept Mr. Flannry. He has an expert in his field. Yes. And welcome. Thank you so much. Okay. So, uh you can see on A1. I found it on Google Maps. That was the best I could do.
right there off of Whitesville Road. You come across the railroad tracks. That's where there's a paper street. It's a 60 foot wide uh paper street. There's a triangle in Tom River and a triangle in Jackson. And and I envisioned in 1920
when they did the first tax map or whenever they did the first tax map, the drafter said, "What's the name of this street?" And the surveyor looked at and said, "What street?" Well, that's a good one. But it wasn't spelled Wh. It was
spelled W A T. Yes. So So it's what street to take the right away. We need to get Tom River to approve the little triangle in Tom's River. This approval will include the little triangle in Jackson. And that'll provide access to
the site. You can see to the north it's bounded by the railroad tracks and then Faraday Avenue and there's industrial property across the other side. Uh this is an industrial piece of property. To the east of us is the existing golf course which has been there for many
years. to the south of us uh is Tom's River and and you can see the band of wood that's conserved uh wooded area that was uh implemented as part of the uh subdivision of those lots in
um so uh you know when when you look at this site I don't know how many people are familiar with what was there before uh I lived about half mile from this And they have ultra lights that they used to have. You can see that I remember those.
Yeah. I don't know if they had approval. I don't know what it was. The only thing I know is one somebody died. I remember I was living here when that happened and we all of course rushed out to see where the heck it was. Right. And there was
nothing there anyway. So Right. Right. So it's a piece of property that it's a vacant piece of property. We're proposing a a I think when you look through the whole thing, you'll see what's proposed on this site is the ideal use of the site
as mentioned. I'll start by going through the overload report uh and uh it lists on page two the requirements and the uh variances that Adam alluded to the minimum out width uh
200 ft is required. We have 115. That's what's existing. We have no way to uh increase that. So that's a hardship. Uh minimum lot frontage. We have 60 ft because it's a 60 foot wide uh paper
street is required. Again, no way to fix that. I have to point out on minimum sideyard setback combined the plans that were submitted said we needed the variance for 67.9 ft uh and and the other little report
picked up that thing say we do not need uh because there's a huge buffer on that other side. Yes, we we have 67 feet on each side. So we're over 120 ft. We do not need that. Uh and and then just
point out the uh maximum building coverage that's allowed is 40%. We're only asking for 9.03. The maximum pvious coverage that's allowed is 75. We're only asking for 45.47. And the maximum building height
50 is required. Only asking for we're looking for a contractor warehouse something that fits something that's a good ratable. It's it's not a big tall monstrous thing, right? It's 30 ft. Right. Right. So,
uh going through the report on the utilities, uh the water is going to be provided by an extension of the public order. Uh and we're proposing an on-site septic system. Uh number three on page three asked for overview of the proposed site
operations. Four contractor warehouse very small units. We're expecting 8 people total uh and and sufficient parking has been provided. If you can put up the next uh exhibit uh that
shows the rendered version site plan and there we are again near the railroad tracks where what comes in triangle in in Tom's River triangle in uh Jackson. Uh we we provided that what
looks like a culde-sac a turnaround because if somebody gets confused and turns in there, we want them to be able to turn around and leave. They don't want to be on the site, we don't want them on the site. That's good. Good planning. Good planning. Thank you. Uh so then you go past that and we have on
two sides of the building where they pull in and two contract warehouse. Each guy has an office and a bathroom. It's a in my opinion utilization of the site. Um so there will be no outdoor storage.
The estimated number of employees I just said will be the top the uh hours operation early in the morning and uh whether they do stuff there or take off and go out to the site. So it' be very
limited traffic both in the morning and evening. Uh Storm water management system will be owned by the owner. Uh the site will have cameras and lighting for security purposes. There will be no retail sales. Uh the solid waste and
recyclables uh will be picked up by private companies. Uh at this point, put it in. It'll be solar ready. Thank you. EV. Yes. Yeah. Yes. So, uh with respect
to the impact on the traffic, all the traffic comes out on road. No impact on Jackson. Nobody in Jackson's going to know it's there. I don't think anybody in Tom River is going to know it's there. I'm going to know it's there because they go to work on the golfers may know it's there. That
looks like a golf path that's going around the back end. Well, what happened is the golf course when it was built uh encroached onto the site and it's existing. We're being good neighbors rather than getting into a fight with them. We're going to leave that there so the people in the golf course will will
see it. Um but uh other than that, right, it's a great ratable. Yeah. You going to have an easement agreement or or is it not on the property? It's our property. We're just going to let it
be. Okay. All right. Yeah, we're not on theirs. They're on our That's what I'm saying. I just want to make sure there was no cross eman. Yeah. Uh and again comment with respect to the rightway it's it's a small triangle
Jackson small triangle in Tom reality is this property owner maintain Jackson this applicant will have to plow his own [Music] I I don't like streets that Jackson owns going to private property. I'm well
known for that. Okay. There are people who threatened to take me to court for that one, but I'm glad you made up that so we don't have to discuss it. This applicant is certainly not expected. We we have not proposed any sidewalk
along that uh right away. We don't want sidewalk there. We understand we got to contribute to pedestrian safety. We're happy to give you money instead of putting sidewalk in put sidewalk. We don't want to encourage anybody to walk there anyway.
Right. Uh we will comply with ordinance section 244. as indicated 500 guards going in or out. That would be Is there is there lighting down at the end there? Is there When you
say at the end, do you mean closer to the to the golf course? Right. Right. Uh probably do some sight lighting, but we'll make sure it shades down. Right. Okay. Thank you. And have Numerous soil on
site design has been permitted has been submitted and if the board acts favorably you will need to have your board and your professionals confirm that [Music] uh with respect to the comments on
lighting and landscaping all the things indicated making sureite and making sure resolution competes solid waste requirements. Uh there was a comment on
page 11 would have been addressed. proceeding to the RV report. He indicates up front that we're seeking approval for warehouse building 78,7 that we will see
immediately. With respect to the zoning testimony will be premises. All of these stores will be [Music] inside and also confirm that
professionals. Uh this report also goes through the need to report the nonconforming conditions that we're
asking for. Uh section C on page four. Uh we're in the zone and we have loading for the contractor warehouse one units.
U we will certainly provide any information professionals need to show that properation. Uh item three indicates we're in the zone and where it
joins a residential zone. We need a 100. Uh the residential zone that we have is on the river side. That's the only residential anywhere near the area and has already provided 100 foot right
now. Certainly professionals want additions proposing certainly have an idea of a few more trees. Does is that is that uh storm water area
fenced because I know there's a development right next door to that. You know, there's a and I would worry about children coming maybe off the golf path and uh I'd like to see
that fenced. Yes, we will fence that. Additionally, there's a fence along the property. Yes. Good. So, we'll have two fence just because because the golf path makes that accessible to children. Well, it we're fenced on the other side of the good. I I agree with the fences. Fences
are good, right? And we'll have great fence the storm water area and fence the property. Excellent. Thank you. Attractive nuisance, you know. which I've already testified to just just going back to the fencing. Uh
how high should we just so we can get everything on the record. What's typical four foot four for the basin? For the for the basin four feet four feet for the basin. So, as I testified, no goods will be sold. Everything's inside. Uh, and
there's no hazardous chemicals. Uh, all the site facilities will be owned and maintained by the applicant. Uh, and we have the architect here. If you want to see more, we do have a rendering when we get to the end. Beautiful. We'll put the rendering up.
Yes. Again, it's something that uh the site so far. So we get the signs uh any any of the signs will comply with
the restricted ordinance. Uh we get the traffic in circulation. It mentions the turnaround which as I testified we put that there so that
us road improvements whatever the county requires improvements as for testimony on existing levels of service. Uh road is a very busy road and the four to five extra people coming to make any
difference. Uh we will provide a sign uh no tractor trailer access is requested. We will put a sign at the entrance of the property indicating
suggest it's a typical contractor warehouse very limited pedestrian accessire. pedestrian access fund required number seven
reports followed to do that as part of resolution uh there's also in section 244-197 uh comment that no area unless it's large enough to provide for at least three continuous stalls We are
requesting wavers to allow the parking as we proposed warehouse. Uh we agreed to the reinforced concrete aprons that are requested. We're agreeing to RV ready spaces
ready on the landscaping. the report as testimony south. We're going to have a fence on our property line. The trees are there. We provided some trees. this building when you look at the rendering uh people might want to see it. It's
very nice. Uh um uh section 244-193B comment F5 uh talks about prohibitive uh activities within the buffer with respect to rating and stuff.
Uh and we're requesting that waiver the uh the improvements that we're proposing in those areas are appropriate for the uh building that we're requesting. Uh the island report and
also the street we don't [Music] provide drip irrigation for the landscaping so that survives respect utilities with respect to solid wasted area. No hazardous materials
in part any defensing uh on the site that's not on the perimeter. for not separating the golf course that's existing will be uh removed and
fencing will be on the uh separating golf course from the uh from the site indicated around the bases to the owner of the transformer and the electric
uh whatever the utility companies want to comply with. Um uh on page 10, comment number nine says provide testimony on environmental impacts uh as a result of the development. My testimony is that it'll
be a net benefiting storm water meeting requirements reduce runoff. Uh number 10 asks about placing
temporary trailers on site to do that. Uh number 11 asks about earth quantities and this was designed to be a balanced site. So then we get to the uh for the variances.
[Music] Uh we looked at the general amendment to the master plan in July 19th uh under the uh land use plan goals and objectives. When I read read this, it
seemed like it was main for this site to achieve a pattern of mixed land uses that achieves various community planning objectives including provision of residential neighborhood protection and natural resources, economic development of the community and creation of the livable desirable community. This is in
an area where it has no adverse impact underneath residential and provides us uh economic opportunities. Next objective direct direct growth into areas suited for land development and away from areas appropriate for
protection and that again speaks right to the site. Uh next objective provide economic development opportunities in areas that are well suited for such development that would increase local employment opportunities and improve the radical base of the township. Again we
hit the nail right on the head. Uh and uh the last one on page two is to provide for commercial development to serve both local and regional needs measure with demands of the market and based on reliable market strategies. I think this is a great location for
contract warehouse. The municipal law NJC 44 552 under the act is to encourage municipal action to guide the appropriate use of development of all lands in the state of which will promote public health, safety, moral welfare. And my testimony is that again this hits
that nail on the head. The variance relief that we're asking for are C2 variances. We need to show that it relates to a specific piece of property. This is a piece of property that I lived a half mile from since uh you know for
many years in the 80s and 90s never knew it was there other than the ultral lights flying. The purpose of the municipal land use law would be advanced which is I can testify to variance can be granted without substantial detriment public good. Uh and my testimony is that
absolutely no detriment to public good the benefits will substantially outweigh the detriments and the variance will not zoning ordinance and this is a use and industrial use industrial zone of great that's my testimony. Thank you Mr. Peters.
Anything Mr. Clay? Um just just a couple things. Um it's nothing the board hasn't seen before. The only real rubs is the Watt Avenue issue and the um Jackson and Tom River Township jurisdiction and you're going to have to go to them and make whatever piece or whatever because
I don't think there's any municipality that's going to want to come out and maintain this road. Um did you consider a um uh or you might want to consider a road vacation request? If we vacate the road, we don't own the property on the side.
Good luck with Tom Jubs. Yeah. Um and the only I know you want to be good neighbors and all. Um but I'm something tells me that the improvements that are encroaching should be on the golf courses, you know, property. Um that I can't believe when the golf
course was originally approved that it had this cart path going onto the adjacent property. And is there a liability issue? Somebody is in a cart, it flips, somebody gets hurt. Who's responsible? And again since
1979 this golf course this been there and this applicant is okay with it. and get a whole harmless agreement so that issue resolved, but we're not
interested in fighting with the neighbor. And I'm sure the golf course is interested in coming back for an amended site plan to show this deviation from the original. That is correct. That's fine. Just indicate this approval does not legitimize the golf course improvements
on the property because at some point if the golf course gets sold and they want to go build houses on it, the property lines the property. Yeah. And the only other comment um the board has um I'll say adopted a policy of coming coming soon signs as far as
what's going to be there. I was going to get this. This is a little bit different in that if you put the sign on your property of what's coming soon, nobody's going to see it. So, even with it, we still have no objection to putting it up if the board wants to see the sign. We have no problem with it. I just think people in town I I don't know about the
rest of the people on the board, but I I get phone calls every time there's a backhoe. So, you know what's going on this piece of property? We have we have no objection. The only comment I think different than the others, we'd have to wait for the street to be put in before we even put that sign. Well, because I think there's a time frame you had asked
for in the woods, right? Yes, we we have no problem. Otherwise, no problem putting up the sign. And if I I drove my in-laws home from Alder at County Line to Four Seasons South and there's three projects on the south side of the road. What's that? That's exactly know. She's
like, how would we know? So, people at town hall, I I stopped by there to sign papers and I've gotten three women came up to me in the last week and said, "Thank you for the signs. We're not getting as many calls as we used to get. We have we have no objection. Um if we can just if we just show the picture of
the of the rendering. Um I think it's very I always like to talk to the architect. Okay. We just we're going to pull them up. Because they spent their time sitting here. So that is fine. Are there any other questions for Mr. Any question? I I'm surprised Mr. Tremor you're not asking any questions.
I I knew you were. I could I could sense it from here. I just have one question. Um, you talk about EV parking. Where would the parking spaces be for the EV? We would typically put them uh on the opposite side.
Okay, good. Because I just want to make sure it's not near the building. Well, that's subject to the fire official anyhow. He moves them every time. Um, as I saw Scott Rous said that the uh the lots extend a little bit past the building because there's no
access way we can give like little openings so we can get a truck back there. You're talking about uh two parking. Yeah, we were in a building just fire.
Yes. Yes. Yes. His report says we should extend. Yeah, because I mean just right a savvy driver for the fire truck. If we have angle aprons and there's some hard pan back there, they can back a ladder in
there. So, it does give the 360 that they want. Yeah, I just I just figured I'd just reiterate it. Um I didn't plan on getting in and out of this property. That road is a nightmare. You You're really going to go with that
statement? You don't think I didn't pull into that property and try and get out? Yeah. Took me three minutes to make a left turn and I almost got clipped. Were you there like between 9 and 11? No, I was there at uh two in the afternoon,
which should be a nice easy time. It's like It's a wide road. No, I was laughing. I said, I wouldn't want to be pulling a truck out because you're racing the people turning out of Faraday, you know, and you have the railroad tracks and people coming around
the bend and they're not looking. Someone's going to get killed there. But I mean, there's not much we can do about that. I was just c is there uh like a deceleration lane that the public have to do or Well, we need county approval. Right. Well, so I just figured I'd ask
what you think. Whatever the county says. What do you think you should put there? You're talking perfect world. You're a brave man. All right. Thank you. Far. Dr. Campbell, I have a couple of questions, please. Um, in the statement
of operations, you didn't mention like what the hours of operation would be. You just said like typical industrial zone. What What are you anticipating with a contractor warehouse? I would anticipate contract warehouse that they would get in there early in the
morning. Could we stipulate till 10 or 9? 7 to 9 or it's not open 24 hours, right? Correct. It's not it's not a 24h hour. I believe 6 a.m. because the contractor sometimes six to six to nine. I think
that's fine. Could we stipulate that? Well, I just as a working for a construction company, they usually start at between 5 and 5:30 in the morning and then, you know, it can go until depending on what it is. So, when you
say contractor warehouse, what kind of tenants are you anticipating or what what are you like thinking about when you say contractor warehouse? I see. And then the four to five employees, is that per tenant or is that the owner is
going to have four to five employees? And how does that work? operations. When I first said it, I said at least one busy Monday through Sunday. And then you mentioned that there's no
um tractor trailers allowed into the site, where would if somebody needed something on a tractor trailer, where where would it go? they're going to work on and then and for leasing um purposes because you say there's not going to be any chemical storage. Are is that going
to be a requirement within the the leases that people won't be able to store hazardous chemicals and things like that in the site? Yeah. It's al Mr. Moz, it's also a statute. Um
so so only certain um uses in certain zones can can statutoily do that. Okay. So maybe we could put that in just the hours of operation if we could define. We said five five to nine.
Well, five because Mr. Marzo said that that often landscapers, for instance, would go in at 5:00 to pick up their stuff and leave. So five to five to nine might be a more reasonable seven days a week. Are there going to be any business offices in
these each of the spaces has a has a ancillary office associated with the warehouse space. So is there a chance? Not a separate there's no secretary. Not a separate and and as part of the resolution we have no objection to to putting the limitation that they're not separate business offices. There are
office associated with each space. Yeah. for the bathroom. Anyone else with any questions? Gentlemen, you're okay. You're okay. You're okay. Don't bring up Mr. Collins and show you how pretty the building is.
Great. Yeah, we can go to the next exhibit. All right. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm, tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? I do. All right. Please state your name and spell your last for the record. David O.
All right. And your credentials? [Laughter] You're planning ahead so you can move to a more pleasant environment. Smart man. Just use a microphone if you need. Yeah, because we're we're uh being recorded. So, use the microphone. Okay. It didn't
sound like that was working. That's why I Okay. I I almost feel sorry that this very attractive building is going to be so far off the road. I'll have to drive in just to look at it. Sorry. We'll still feel good about it. We don't have to worry about it. Okay. And the board
accepts his credentials. We do. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Uh the drawing that we're looking at is the exterior elevations. Again, this is four small uh tenant spaces. What we did is we divided the building with a little bit of a step about halfway down that
top elevation just to break up the length of the building, try and make it a little bit more uh manageable. And we treated this building with a lot of residential architectural details, trying to make it kind of fit in with our neighbors. So, you know, we have
horizontal lap siding, some stone work at the base, uh some little canopies with shingled roofs, and we switched our our materials about halfway up the building. So, there are two different types of vinyl siding. The bottom uh is more like a lap siding. The top is more
like a shake siding, and we're going to vary the colors on those uh just so get a little bit more horizontal to the building so that it doesn't feel tall at the top of those gables. Koopas at the top of the buildings and uh the windows with shutters. So really trying to make
this look residential. Each of um each of the units has a small office within it, a single use, single person bathroom within it and then the warehouse space. So very typical layout again divided in four. You can see that step in the building across the top where we joged
the building down. Um, if you can flip to exhibit five, which is the rendering. Nice, isn't it? Yeah. Again, so you know, pretty much those materials that we have kind of some warm colors on there. Shingle roof, which we can make that roof solar ready. We we can design
that in. We are going to have trusses uh to support that roof. We'll have 16 ft clear. That was one of the questions in the planner report. So that top part will will be kind of traditional wood trusses, wood frame structure, stone across the base. And on the right side,
you can see two garage doors, one for each of those two units, the entry and the entry roof canopy that's canolvered out with the brackets on the side. The opposing side of the building would look exactly that same way. And so the entrances and the and the loading are
kind of right next to each other in each of those four tenant spaces. Very nice. Congratulations on that. Thank you. Thank you. Wish it weren't so far off the road. I can build more of these in town if you want. Yes, please do. Happy to have
them. Very nice. That is our application. Right. We need to open to the public. Um if you guys want to just do one general open and close, that should suffice. Okay. You need to open to the
public. Open to the public. Yeah, let's let's open to the public. Make a motion. Second, Sullivan. All in favor? I If there's anyone who would like to speak about this, ask questions of the um professionals, please come forward now.
Seeing no one come, it's all sorry, I don't It's all your job. Okay. Thank you. Seeing no one come forward, I make a motion to close the public uh cross-examination portion. I will second that. Bernstein. All in favor? I I All right.
Okay. Now we got to do general. We We did cross list general. Okay. Open it to general. I make a motion to open to general comments and testimony on this application only. Sullivan second. Bernstein. All in favor? I. Anyone like
anyone who would like to speak generally on this project, please feel free to come forward now. Don't rush. Mr. Sullivan. Oh, all right. Uh, seeing no one come forward, I uh make a motion to close the public comment and testimony portion of this application.
So, I'll second that. Bernstein. All in favor? All right. Like to wrap it up in summation. Very quick. I think uh the board can see the the applicant put a lot of time and effort into really making a building that would fit within the area, fit within the zone. Um not
overbuilt, not pushing too much into it. Uh we've agreed to the board's comments. Um, we give the justification for the two variances and we would ask that the board that the board vote in favor of this application. I I would also like to put in that and I think Mr. Cle had a
good idea there that that you should have something in writing from the golf course. We have no problem getting working out a holdless harmless a hold harmless from the golf course because I think Mr. Cle you're absolutely right. Someday somebody sells that golf course
you're in for a problem. So, let's put that in the resolution. Thank you. Um, I'd like to make a motion uh to approve block uh 22111, lot 1.01, Whitesville Holdings LLC, Watt Avenue
warehouse uh with all agreed to stipulations. And uh let me just say uh I wish every applicant came before us with warehouses that look this good. I really do appreciate your work on this.
So with that, I motion to approve. I will second that motion and kudos to you guys for a nice application. I'll reiterate what Mr. Sullivan said when I before the meeting looked at these plans and I was like, "Wow, that's something you don't see every day when it comes to a warehouse. So really, really nice job
and let's keep them coming." So thank you. I seconded Heler. Oh, we'll have a roll call vote, please. Mr. Bernstein, yes. Mr. Marzo, yes. Mr. Peller. Yes. Mr. Rogers. Yes. Mr. Chamber. Yes. Miss
Rose. Yes. Mr. Weart. Yes. Mr. Sullivan. Yes. And Dr. Campbell. Yes. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Looking forward to seeing your work again. Motion to close. I make a motion to close. It's still light. Second. Hang
on. Laura, do we have anything else to do? We good? Yeah, we good. All in favor? I have a good night. Good night, everybody. Now, ladies and gentlemen, just so you know,