I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisibley and justice for all. Morty, did he answer? Okay,
you may be. All right, everybody. Welcome to the Monday, August 18th, 2025 Jackson Township Planning Board meeting. This meeting has been properly noticed in all the places uh and forums
necessary to comply with the OPMA. And Mr. Chairwoman, I'll leave it off to you. Thank you. Uh we'll have a roll call, please. Mr. Bernstein here. Mr. Mr. Marzo, Mr. Heler here.
Mr. Rogers here. Mr. Treamer here. Miss Rose, Mr. Weart here. Mr. Sullivan. Dr. Campbell here. Um, I'd like a motion for the payment of the voucher for the recording secretary for the August 18th
minutes, please. Motion Bernstein. Second. Heler. Roll call, please. Mr. Bernstein. Yes. Mr. Heler. Yes. Mr. Rogers. Yes. Mr. Tramer. Yes. Mr. Weart. Dr. Campbell. Yes.
We have no resolutions this evening. uh the agenda schedule. We're going to keep the September 8th meeting even though we have no application so that we can conduct some uh uh board business
just to let our members know even though there's nothing on the schedule. It shouldn't be long. Okay. All right. Um so no changes to the agenda schedule. Oh, we have anything? The minutes from July?
The minutes from July 28th. 28th special meeting. Uh, roll call, please. We need a motion. Motion. Motion. Bernstein. Second. Heler. Mr. Bernstein. Yes. Mr. Heler.
Yes. Mr. Rogers. Yes. Mr. Tamer. Yes. Mr. Weart. Dr. Camp. Yes. Welcome. I was worried. Okay. Uh, engineering and planning matters,
gentlemen. Okay. Thank you. Legal matters. None at this time. Board matters for discussion. That's you. Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, the
governing body referred three ordinances on first reading at their last council meeting. Ordinances 2025-29, 30, and 31. Each of these is a direct result of the town's recently adopted master plan and housing plan element and
fair share plan. To the extent the board members would like to go into any detail with them, I'd be happy to. Although my office was not the author of the document, we're familiar with them. I'd remind the board that um under the land use law, a zoning
ordinance can only be adopted after the planning board has adopted the land use and housing plan elements of a master plan, which these ordinances will follow. that the planning board shall make and transmit to the governing body within 35 days after referral a report including identification of any
provisions in the proposed development regulation, revision or amendment which are inconsistent with the master plan and recommendations concerning those inconsistencies and any other matters the board deems appropriate. Now, if you've read the ordinances,
2025, 29, and 30 come right out of the fair share element of the master plan and chapter 31 has to do with the third round affordable housing, which is referenced both in the master plan and the fair
share plan. So to my mind the three ordinances individual individually and cumulatively are consistent with the current master plan housing element and fair share plan. Thank you. Appreciate that. Um Mr.
Howler and I are uh greatly familiar with all these uh things to do with the master plan and I'm sorry M. Mr. Marzo isn't here to hear that we are moving forward really quickly and I'm I'm very pleased that we're under this gun to a
degree because it's important that we get these things settled. The state has requirements and we have to meet those requirement dates. They're very important. So this meeting is necessary for us to vote on this so that now it can move to the state and these need to
be approved. Um, before we go into discussing more about these ordinances, I'd like to ask Mr. Bernstein to uh maybe speak a little about some of the things that the uh council has uh attended to in these ordinances.
Thank you, Chairwoman. Um, so really a thank you to our planning board, master plan subcommittee, Dr. Campbell and Mr. Mars and Mr. Heler. um because our job as council was very easy because basically every all the ideas were in our notes and by our our previous meetings. Um so one of the concepts that
was put into this um into these ordinances was a requirement and I think Mr. Tremor will appreciate this requiring multiple entrances into every um residential development. Um I think a a division subdivision of two of 50 units requires two entrances. I think
every extra hundred um I think requires an extra an extra unit an extra sorry entrance of of in and out which is something which hasn't existed in the past. So I think that really came from you. So thank you. Um additionally we put in a restriction that you cannot park within the development 100 ft from
any corner requiring signage paid for by the developer not by the township. Additionally, there were parking restrictions um sorry parking requirements um where each unit was had a requirement I think of four parking spots plus a guest spot of a quarter of a spot sprinkled throughout the
development. Um additionally for the clubhouse there was a requirement that even undeveloped um space within the clubhouse. For example, an unfinished basement would require parking to avoid a situation where the developer only builds one floor, leaves a second floor unfinished, and eventually the residents
come in to finish it and there wouldn't be adequate parking, making sure that that parking requirement would be in there. Additionally, there was a 10% um open space requirement in the ordinance, making sure that our or our developments leave for passive and passive and active
recreation. I don't remember exactly right now off top of my head, the difference. I think it was 40 to 60%. Um, additionally, we put in a phasing plan that you couldn't get your CO on your after the first I think 25 units or 25% of the units were built without um
going ahead and building some of the recreation recreation concepts. So, um, again, thank you Dr. Campbell, thank you Mr. Marzo and Mr. Heler for being proactive because it really was a very easy copy paste uh situation for the
council. Thank you. anything from anything from uh our attorney about the ordinances other than the fact that this is a mirror image of the recommendations that we put in the uh master plan. That is it. Good. Now, do we have to vote on these
individually or as a group? You can just do it as as a group. If we can do it as all three unless a board member the vote the vote is simply just is it consistent or inconsistent with the master plan. So you could just do it as a bulk.
Anyone on the board have any comments? I know I sent everyone an email making sure everybody read them so that they're familiar. Any questions about them? You can't ask any questions, Mr. Heler, because you know what they Anybody else can ask questions?
Mr. Mr. Rogers, my only comment is thank you for getting at this a little bit earlier than we've gotten things in the past. Mr. Shay, yeah. Um, the board's going to offer a motion to make a finding that the ordinances submitted are not
inconsistent with the with the master plan, housing plan element, and fair share plan. Correct. Thank you. Yeah. Not inconsistent. Okay. Semantics, but it counts. Statutory. Yeah. Right. All right. We'll take a accept a motion, please. I'd like to make a
motion, Sullivan, that these ordinances are not inconsistent with the master plan or the fair share housing agreement. There we go. Look for a second. I'll second that. Heler, we'll have a roll call vote, please.
Mr. Bernstein, yes. Mr. Heler, yes. Mr. Rogers, yes. Mr. Chamer, yes. Mr. Weart, Mr. Sullivan, yes. Dr. him. Yes. Thank you everyone. Good. Our
applicant may come forward. Mr. Alfuri. Welcome. Good evening madam chair, members of board. Salvatore Alfrey Clear Eye Gobe Alfury Jacobs on behalf of the applicant. [Music] This is Good evening, Mr. Sha. This is a
um application variancefree um in terms of the site plan itself uh for a house of worship at um 9 Lehigh Boulevard. Uh we have three witnesses that we intend on calling. We also have a representative from the shul in case
there are operational test questions that go beyond the scope of our engineers testimony. And we're going to start with our engineer, Mr. Halpert. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. All right. Please state your name
and spell your last of the record. Eric Halpert, H A L P E R T. Licensed professional engineer and planner in the state of New Jersey. I've appeared before this board before, just a few times. The board accept the credentials? We do. Welcome. Thank you. And Mr. Halper, we submitted
certain exhibits in advance of tonight's hearing. I'm assuming we're going to refer to the first which is marked. Did you pre-mark it or we're marking it now? I did not premark it. We'll pre-mark this set as A1. A1. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Can you orient the board as to where this property is located and
also for the record just identify what A1 is? the um board um is looking at exhibit A1 which is um a compilation of um an aerial and uh several other sheets that
we'll go through in uh the next couple minutes. Um a site plan was uh submitted, architect plans were submitted and as exhibits the uh civil exhibit set that is up on the screen was submitted and an
architect rendering showing a colored rendering um was submitted also by the architect. The site um the um board is looking at the an aerial of the site. It is located at the intersection of Lehi
Boulevard and at Deli Drive. It is um are you able Anthony to please zoom in a little bit more to the site that is uh delineated by the Thank you. It is um located at the um
intersection of Adelfi and Lehi. The zone is the R9 zone. The applicant is seeking to construct a house of worship with an accessory mikvah use within contained within the same
building and associated improvements that are required including parking stormwater management and before going through the site plan um as per discussion with the applicant I'll go
briefly through some of the operations The applicant submitted a statement of operations. There are going to be um prayer services, morning prayer services, evening prayer services. There currently are not
afternoon prayer services. The shu services a 100 families that live generally within the uh uh within walking distance. The morning weekday prayers begin generally at 7:10 a.m.
The evening prayers are at 8:40 Saturday on on on the Sabbath. The more members come and attend with the families in the morning. services begin at 8:00 a.m. and they conclude around 11:00 a.m.
Friday night services begin at around sundown and last approximately 45 minutes. Additionally, there is um and the architect will go through the floor plans. There is a an accessory mikvah that is intended for um use by men.
approximately five to six um users um would use it prior to the morning services um and that would be the the mikvah services. Additionally um other other operations
taking place on the site include the um multi-purpose room. The architect will go through the floor plans, but the intention oper from an operational standpoint, the intention of that is for um life cycle uh milestones, small life
cycle milestones such as uh the birth of a child, bar mitzvah meant for um member uses. Uh the time to use that would be either post services on a Sabbath or it would be in the evening. Um and it is not meant to be rented at. It is meant
for the member services not rented out as part of the stipulation. Yes. Thank you. And and that those those events if you will would not happen during services. So you wouldn't have two things
occurring at the same time. They these are post services or or in the evening. Correct. Operationally, the um there would be um refuge pickup. The site plan um depicts
an area for uh a refuge enclosure and typically that would be able to be accomplished with twice weekly uh pickup. Um, and the applicant would agree to restrict um the uh refuge pickup to not take place prior to 7:00
a.m., not take place after 6:00 p.m. Um, and additionally, there would be deliveries associated sometimes with either paper goods that need to be uh replenished or sometimes with these life cycle events um taking place in the
multi-purpose room. And it would be a typical small vehicle or a box truck that would come typically on on a Friday afternoon when the parking lot is empty. You said garbage pickup was going to be between 7:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. Yes.
7 6 p.m. Okay. That would cover the operations. Go ahead. So, you want to refer now to the site plan? Yes. Are there any questions on the operations? Well, let's do them all at once. Could you um Anthony, could you um go to
the um fourth page of this exhibit set? Thank Thank you. And could you zoom in a little bit more to the site plan to to the site plan? Thank you. And this this um was part of the submission that was made with the application. Correct.
This is this um the uh this is sheet C300 of the submitted set. There are no changes to this uh to the sheet just for e ease of use. It was included in the exhibit set. The applicant
The applicant uh seeks to construct a two-story place of worship uh with the basement with a mikvah. As uh stated previously, the plan states uh the floor areas and
the main sanctuary sanctuary areas and multi-purpose assembly areas. The main sanctuary area is 2977 square ft. The multi-purpose assembly area is 1,995 square ft in order and and that would
result in a parking uh requirement of 53 spaces. The applicant is proposing uh to provide a parking area with 50 physical spaces, four EV spaces which would with the EV
credit be counted as 54 spaces. There are three ADA accessible parking spaces. The site plan the parking area is accessed via two full access driveways
along Adelfi and along Lehi Boulevard. The um police uh letter of concern had a comment regarding the need for no parking and the applicant would agree to make an to um request from the township
council for no parking along um Lehi Boulevard and Adelfi between the inter between the intersection and the two driveways as per the police department's recommendation. Excuse me. Is that just on the side of
the shul the property itself or will that be across the street? On the side of the shel. Good. Because we want to make sure that people have access to parking in front of their homes. Thank you. Yes. And and uh this way uh sight lines
will be maintained um and the applicant will make uh will will request that from the um township council. Yeah, the site plan, excuse me, sorry. Um, is would applicant pay for the signage?
I know it sounds small, but they take full responsibility for that working with our DBW. So, so as a stipulation of approval, will the applicant uh take responsibility for the signage? Oh, sure. No problem. Assuming the government governing body approves it, we would pay for the signage. Sure.
Go ahead. Thank you. The site plan depicts the refuge area. A the refuge area is 10 ft off of the um side property line and a uh dimension
shall be placed to ensure that. Are you able to go please um to um sheet number two? two sheets up from this Anthony the second sheet of this exhibit. See
this is this is uh the landscape plan in color. Um the applicant additionally as per the new ordinance will be providing a robust landscape and buffering. So hold on a sec. This this has to be marked correct.
I think we're marking the entire exhibit set as A1. No. Yeah. Why don't we do individual? So, what are we A2 and it's it's a landscape colored landscape colored rendering. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry.
the applicant um is in receipt of the letter from the tree forester with his comments as opposed to a separate email um with a markup and the um applicant will work with Sherry in order to comply with the ordinance um and um any
comments regarding the uh landscaping. And just to be clear um the report from Sherry Sparrow was a August 14th. That's the one you agree that you'll comply with. Okay, go ahead. Continue. Anthony, can you go to um she
Why don't you just generally describe how the landscape plan just generally what we're proposing? We're we're proposing along along this property lines. Generally, we are proposing um landscaping that is going to provide a screening buffer. So the um
place of worship property will not be visible from the neighboring properties and uh will not be able to see to the neighboring properties. That is what is depicted along the property lines along islands and along the front of the
property. There are other shade trees, shrubs um in order to provide uh nice aesthetics um to enhance um the the place of worship. next exhibit you're doing the um can you go please to sheet number
five of this exhibit set sheet number five is the um grading drainage and utility plan sheet C400 not a separate exhibit depicts the um storm water management the applicant is
complying with the NJD rules the applicant is providing a surface basin and subsurface basin in order to mitigate and improve upon existing runoff from the site. Can you go to the next sheet please?
Well, before uh that storm water management system will be owned and maintained by the property owner. Correct. It will. Next sheet. The um applicant. Um this sheet is um the fire circulation plan depicting um fire circulation movement
between the two um driveways. The applicant has received a letter um from the fire department from um the fire official August 14th um with certain comments to provide um
fire hydrant fire department connection and uh the applicant will ensure that that takes place. Um there is additionally that didn't uh come with the email a picture that the fire official took of the plan to show exactly where he would like the fire
hydrant and he is happy with the um depicted circulation. So again as a condition of approval you would agree that the applicant will comply with the comments of the fire official report of August 14th. The applicant will. Okay.
I'll I'll go through some of them. That's all recommendations. Correct. All the recommendations. All recommendations. All the recommendations. The applicant will be resubmitting to the fire official and receiving a letter stating he approves of the revised
resubmitted plan. So, could you talk about the site lighting? We'll go through um I did not discuss site lighting. Um, I believe that is part of this exhibit set. Anthony, could
you go to the uh two sheets down? I'm sorry. The in the other direction. Two more sheets in the other direction. No. Can I'm sorry. It's not part of this exhibit set. You can pull up the um site plan, the plan set, the file that's uh
labeled plan set on the township website. While he's looking for that, the um can you describe the utilities public water and sewer? The applicant has made an application and received um preliminary approval from the JTMUA
for new water service and fire service including um sprinkling sprinklering and um the applicant is going to be connecting to water main and um sewer main that runs along uh Adelfi and the preliminary
approval is in hand and the applicant will make the the uh tentative positive and final um application to the MUA. So, what sheet do you want him to go to? Can you please bring up um the I believe the eighth sheet of this set?
Sheet eight. Thank you. The lighting plan depicts both uh wall-mounted lights, polemounted lights in order to provide the lighting for the parking area and the applicant
will provide cutoff shields in order to ensure that there is no spillage to the adjacent properties. There was a comment to provide the mounting heights on the building and that will be provided on revised plans.
Are the lights going to be on timers? The applicant would agree to put the lights on timers. The the polemounted heights are going to be 20 ft. [Music] I'll go through some of the comments the
the uh comments from the review letters. Mr. Howard, may I just interrupt briefly? Uh we'd like to make sure that the timers are set so that the lights go out. I would think if there was an 8:40 uh 10 10:30 what what would be a
reasonable time? 10:30 the applicant would agree to So the lights will be on a timer on the building and the poles. The building and the poles will go out by 10:30. By 10:30 the applicant would request one building mounted light to stay on for safety purposes.
Shielded and shielded near the entrance. Yes. Just by the entrance. Only one one shielded light by the entrance. Yes. Thank you. Are we not going to use a photo set? Apologies, Mr. Morrison.
The detail for the light poles in the parking lot is 15 ft mounting height. Um, if we could before the end of the hearing just confirm that. And then can we reconcile that the building mounted height doesn't need to be any higher than the entrance
height of the building eight or 10 feet and both will have cut off shields on them. Typically we could stick to 10 feet or 12 feet. We could stick to 10 ft. That's I want to make sure that we have an upper limit for each one on the
record so we can add it to the resolution. That's all. Thank you. And before you go into the reports, um, is there there's no freestanding sign proposed, correct? Correct. The applicant is not proposing any freestanding. And in other applications, the board has asked us to provide a monument sign for
site identification. We have that would trigger some variance relief. We have no issue. We defer to the board on how you we're we're looking for street numbers, street addresses for the sake of the fire and the police departments. And that's that's fine. We can work with your professional. Small monument signs.
Is that okay, Mr. Small monuments? If they're going to have lighting on the buildings, but the uh Do you want the signs? Would they prefer signage on the building or on the It's preferred on the building for because we're going to have two
two uh streets. So, I want to make sure that there are we can leave signage on the building. No monuments, but we need the address, the number, the street number for signage. If there's two entrances, there are two entrances. Yeah.
Right on the corners will be fine. Okay. All right. Well, when the architect comes up, we'll ask We'll discuss that with the Okay, that's fine. Good. Thank you. All right. So, I'm sorry. So, you were going to start you which report you are you referring? I I will uh start with uh Hang on. Hang on one sec. Uh, Mr.
Peters, just when uh when it comes down to the verbiage that you want me to use for the condition of approval for the uh light poles, how do you want me to phrase that? We can we can work it out later. Whatever you want to
light poles in the parking lot are dimensioned on the detail is 15 feet with cut off shields so there's no spillage onto adjacent properties. And then I wanted to make sure that we had a general dimension either from the architect or the site civil engineer of
how high building mounted signage needed to be to provide site safety. Right. And again, that normally some distance above the the door. So if it needs to be 10 or 12 feet, that's fair. I just wanted to make sure we weren't going to have Yeah. respectfully spotlights at 30 feet. That's all.
I'll put that in the condition. Yeah. And anyone on the board have any comments at this time or questions just before we get into the okay into the next portions? Anything? Just want to keep it clean. Okay. Mr. Rogers, did you have a
question? No. No. Thank you. So just brief. First of all, generally speaking, are there any issues within the reports that you cannot address as a condition of approval? No. The applicant is willing to address and comply with all the comments.
Okay. Is there a couple points you want to highlight for the board? Okay, so go ahead. The the applicant um tra our traffic engineer will discuss um some of the parking comments regarding the roadway classification and we'll
discuss um one comment regarding um comment number two regarding the parking stalls utilizing the entrance and exit drives. I will leave that for the traffic engineer. Um the applicant will ensure that uh comment number six will
ensure that all the radi are 15 feet. We mentioned the police department letter and the applicant will comply with the letters of the items of concern. the lighting. Um, we just discussed the
mounting heights will be indicated and we're leaving it open for 10 or the the the mounting height will be indicated on the plans. I believe 12 may be better um a better height. Um and um which signs you talking about?
I'm talking about the lighting. The lighting the lighting. Which lighting? The building height lighting because we just said 10 feet. 10 or 12 and we'll indicate a height once I have the exact calculations and I'm thinking it's going to be 12 and um it will not
be more than 12 no higher than 12 no higher than 12 cut off shield with cutoff shields yes the the um the polemounted are going to be at 15 ft shielded as well
shielded as well landscaping the applicant is going to comply ly with the comments and with the with the Forester comments and um you're talking about this would we're complying with both Mr. Cle's report and the RVE report correct all
the conditions the the RVE report and the forester report and Mr. Clee's report as well I'll go through Mr. Please report in a minute and um utilities everything will be labeled. The trash enclosure is going to be a 10 by8 and the discrepancy will be
corrected in the detail um as requested. And what's it what's the enclosure of the trash facility made out of the enclosure of the trash is going to be a board on board um enclosure. going through the comments of the board
engineer. Again, there aren't variances except the architect is going to discuss uh the uh wall signs. The applicant um is going to comply with the requirements
of chapter um 244166. And um if the soil removal will exceed 1,000 cubic yards, a land grading license will be obtained. The applicant is going to regarding storm water will be maintained by the
applicant and the applicant is going to provide um a fully executed recorded document um prior to the signing of the plans um regarding the storm water management facilities. We discussed lighting and landscaping.
The applicant will be providing the 10- foot wide screen buffer. And in general, the applicant is able to and will comply with all the comments um that are in the board uh review letters. And then just one final question. Um and
we've said it now a couple times, but there there are two sections of the ordinance that relate to the proposed use. One's the house of worship section and one's the mikvah section. We're we're complying with all ordinance requirements as it relates to the site
plan itself. Correct. We are complying. The mikvah specifically is permitted only as an accessory use. It has certain limitations and the architect plan depicts um the plan as meeting those limitations and it does not um have any
extra parking requirements. That's all the testimony we have of Mr. Halper. Madam Chair, thank you. Any questions from the board? Like I said, this is a school, not a school. Correct.
The hours of operation again are a statement of operations um is is um is has been submitted and um the services there are several services over the course of the day. T currently there are two the morning prayers are 7:10 to 8:25
and the evening are 8:40 to 10:25 at this point there are no afternoon services there may be at 14 there if there would be it would be at around 1:45 lasting approximately 15 minutes and you said this is servicing families
uh 100 families so how many people going to be coming in and out of this the uh some some some of the families do not use these um at this to use these um uh use the shul during the week. As per
the applicant, there are approximately 40 attendees during the week. On the Sabbath, there are everybody comes, everybody's walking during the week. They'll some will drive to other places near their work. 100 families and there's five people.
You could actually have five00 people in this building. That's whatever the fire code allows. We whatever the capacity is that's allowed. That's the backs they canamilies, right? I appreciate what you're saying. 304 day
on the sus when when there are the is when there is the largest amount of people and the applicant is going to be is going to be required to comply with building code uh rules with maximum occupancy. You're going to have to establish a very clear and
fully sprinkled. This is sprinkled. Yeah. Is the basement fully sprinkled too? Think that's a question for the I will let the architect go through the architect plan. Yeah. Will the applicant agree to a condition
of approval for whatever the lesser of either the occupancy for the IBC or the international fire code would be? They would have to comply with that anyway. We have to comply no matter what. They have to comply with it anyway. But I'm just saying we're going to put it in writing. Put it in writing. Make it a condition approval that you
Okay. Whatever the lesser of those two are. That's right. [Music] I said on the building again I know it's not a requ sorry
um I know it's not code but thinking as a responder will the building actually have a specific name so we know as we get down the road. I mean, this is pretty unique where it's going to be located, but I'm thinking if we put a a name
that's not in Hebrew on the building would be very important. I think uh what uh I think earlier a um it was discussed to put numbering. Yeah, I think that would take care of the um identification.
You would think so. I'm just saying as an an add-on an add-on English we we when the architect comes up we could ask you just something to think about. It's my own personal thing. Um and it's going to be no street parking whatsoever. That's up to the governing body. But if
they prohibit parking then we would put the signs up to prohibit and then there'll be enforcement mechanisms they can be ticketed. We did discuss the fact that there will be no parking on the sh sides of the street because there are two streets. However, across the
streets, the residents would want parking in front of their own homes. I I I get that. So, we we don't want to have no parking on both sides of the street. It would be inconvenient for the residents. Fair enough. Thank you.
Uh again this might not be the question for you. Where is the EV parking? I didn't see it on any the EV parking is depicted on the site plan. Um however the fire the fire review um letter um which was only uh
pro uh only a letter was provided. However, he provided to me a markup. He would like the EV spaces farther away and in the rear in this area. um for the fire official, he would like
them o away from the building. So the current planch um depicts them, I believe, over here. This is not the um site plan, but either way, the applicant will comply with the fire official review and and um place the EVs away from the building. Yeah. No, I didn't see it on there, but
that's that's perfect. Thank you. Um what's the height of the building? Do we know that the app the height of the building is approximately 26 feet. The architect will discuss again the building. That's fine. Um
yeah, I got another basement question. That's Thank you. Any other questions? Um, I am particularly familiar with this site. Since 55 years ago last month, I
made Brookwood 3 our first home. I entered there with two children and left with five. Wow. Uh, before we moved and I lived on the corner of Villanova and Drexel. So, I drove by these h this area every day for
many years. Interestingly enough, one of our friends happened to be Mr. Boyarin. I don't know if you are familiar with that name. Some of the old-timers here maybe. Uh Mr. Boyarin owned that piece of property and
built a private ranch home there on a very large lot. uh when we would go to his house, he would often brag to me that my house was on a quarter of an acre, fourbedroom colonial and uh his house was on a
very large lot. So, the choice of the lot is particularly appropriate because it does give uh it is not a Brookwood home that is being uh torn down. It is a private home that was built before
Brookwood was built and Brookwood surrounded that particular lot. So, a little history on uh how familiar I am with this lot. You come in off County Line Road and it's not far in when this particular single lot that was not part
of Brookwood appears. Uh so it's not it's it's a it's unique and I think uh that was mentioned a couple of times that this is a unique location within a development. Yes. This is an R9 zone with a 1acre
property in an R9 zone where the requirement is not quite unusual. Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Just wanted to make that uh personal statement that I'm quite familiar with that area. And just to be clear, so uh there's no variances, no waiverss, and you exceed parking criteria. Correct.
We conform to parking, right? I think you exceed I think you have 54 and 53 is required. 54 with EV. Correct. Correct. Okay. And there's no waiverss either. No, the um
we have signage the architect will talk about. But from a site plan point of view, no barriers. That's that's what I was just looking at that. Excuse me. I would like to address the height of the building. Uh you said 26 feet. I'm looking at the A6 drawing
and on the right side the measurements bring it to it's a hill 29 ft to to the deck. But on the left side, the greater the ground slopes to a point where I don't know what the height
of the building. Yeah, it's a it's a hill. There's a slight rise in that area. There's the rest of the area is fairly flat, but that particular area is is quite a uh a hill. But wouldn't you measure it from the
flattest part? I I think um we should let the architect answer it and he'll tell you how it's measured per your ordinance and then um he can give you the exact height based on that. Okay. Because I'm looking at it over I understand. Yeah.
Anyone else? Thank you, Madam Chair. Real quickly, and the storm water design is going to be compliant with D and um and your local orders. Yes. And I'm not seeing it, but it might be a good idea. Emergency generator.
We talked about that, didn't we? I don't know if there's um Yeah, they were trying to find a location where they can put it. um wherever it if they want if you want one wherever you you know put it short of a front yard or something or
the front yard would be okay. This might be a good idea. Yes. Given given uh what's going on lately in uh Jackson with the utilities might be a wise plan. Yeah. So um Mr. Halper, where do you
think it would go? There is room in the front yard if the board would be agreeable to having it in the front yard. The applicant um would be with proper uh with with with buffering around it. Which front yard? Which street? Adelfia
or along deli is where there is where there is more room and I could work with the um board engineer on that. So you'll make sure that you work with our engineer on that to properly buffer it and and to buffer
it properly. It will require relief because it's a front yard, but we'll buffer it so that it's great. Correct. That's fine. Great. Great. Mr. Peters, anything? That's it. All right.
Mr. Peters, anything? Oh, good to go. You're going to do public all at the end or we'll do the public at the uh the public should understand that what we will do is we will have all the testimony from
the three professionals. After the three professionals uh give their testimony, so have your notebooks ready, you can come up and ask questions that refer to what the applicants have addressed.
We'll listen to those public questions. When that is finished, we will close that and open another section and the public can come forward and make comments on this application only. Thank you.
We're now going to call our architect. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? All right. Please state your name and spell your last of the record. It's not working. Got it. Napolei Gut. N AF T O L I G T.
[Music] And Mr. got. Would you place your credentials on the record, please? Yes. I'm a licensed architect in New Jersey and several other states. I'm the principal of GVN LLC, which is a liquid based architectural firm. I have testified before this board and other
boards. And these drawings were were uh prepared under my supervision. The board accepts your credentials. Yes. Thank you. Welcome. And um there's an exhibit up. Is that the exhibit you want to refer to? Yeah, that's good. And that's that was the plan that has been submitted already
to the board. Correct. Okay. Go ahead. Continue. Okay. So, just a little overview. The building will be utilizing 5B construction, which is wood construction. The entire building will be sprinkled. That's the basement, first
floor, and second floor. There is elevator serving the basement and the first floor. The second floor is not required to have elevator access because it's less than 3,000 square feet. Each floor will have two staircases to ensure safe and efficient evacuation if
necessary. There is a ramp on the first floor as well as a ramp to the basement. Anthony, if you could bring up the first floor plan. I believe it is sheet A2. Okay. So this is the the main floor.
Over to the left side we have the base meters. Um we have access from from the parking lot over here. We have another ramp over here by the main entrance and a secondary access
and a secondary access over here. We have um that's what we call iter is the library over there. The basement meish is accessed through this little vestibial buffer area as well as over here we have a large men's washroom and
a bathroom and a large coat room over there. If we could go to the A3 next sheet we have open space to below over here. So this is just the single base manage open to below we have Ezra
Nusham which is the women's section over here we have men's and ladies bathroom as the this this Ezra Nushim is sometimes used as a overflow for the men for men that want quiet area while there's
um services happening downstairs again we have two misgress and fully accessible bathrooms and sink rooms Um, if we could go back to A1, I believe in the basement, we have the mult
multi-purpose room. We have a warming kitchen, no cooking, just warming, storage rooms, sprinkler room for the entire building, mechanical space. Over here, storage for the multi-purpose room. Again, men's and women's bathroom
over here. And over here on the top right corner, we have the men's mikvo, which is one changing room and six showers, and it's meant for the congregants only. And there's the changing room over there.
The total square footage of the mikvah area is 7770 square ft. That number will be included in the cover sheet. Building heights. The building this the basement ceiling height is 10 feet. The first floor ceiling height will be 11 ft. 11 feet on
the elevation it shows 13 ft. That's floor to floor but the actual finish height will be 11 ft. The main congregant area the base medish that's a double height space and that's going to be a total of 25 ft. And the second floor ceiling height will be 12 ft.
The total building height is 35 ft. And the way that 35 feet norm comes from is the average grade around the building. So we have 35 ft plus a 3-foot parapit around the entire building. And by the front entrance, there's a a little
higher parapit with 4T. But based upon your review of the ordinance, the height complies with the ordinance requirements. Is that correct? Correct. Anthony, if you could bring up the uh architectural exhibit on the exterior
rendering. And was this previously submitted or we're marking it tonight? This was submitted. This was part of the submission package. We didn't receive this. Oh, it has to be marked now though. It has to be marked. So this is A3.
Would you identify what A3 is? Please explain verbally what A3 Okay. A3. This is the exterior rendering of the I believe it's the north side. This is an exterior architectural
rendering elevation. Yeah. And this is the the the facade that's facing the parking lot. Um the on this front facade which we're calling is two shades of stucco. We have stucco stucco and we have stone cladding
accents over there and on the base. Um we have accent lighting which is only for aesthetics. And we can see the ramp over there. Um the other size of the building will
be primarily stucco a little more simple than this but same same coloring and same style um signage. So this application as we heard before is variance free. We are requesting for
extra signage being that the unique placement of this building has two front of the building facing a street and this facing the parking lot and the fourth side the fourth side is is access
through the parking lot. Um, so we need some kind of wayfinder signage. Um, and the typical dedication signage also. Um, according to my calculations, what we showed, we have a total of 89 square
feet as shown on the elevations, but there is more than one sign. Say, what was that last comment? meaning that the total square footage is 9 ft over what's what's normally allowed of 80 square feet and in addition we have a
total of four signs as opposed to one sign and that's because we have a sign on each of the sides of the building. Correct. So no no single sign is very large but in aggregate we have a lot of signage so we try to keep them small but there's four signs so kind of adds up.
You heard the comment about having either a well first of all building identification sign a number so that the fire department public can know where the address is. Agreed. Is any of that on your sign package presently? Yeah, the sign package is pretty
generic. It's just showing um proposed signage, you know, leaving it generic and so that you could you could provide a numbered sign and still be within that 89 square feet that you were talking about. Well, if the board would allow a little more leeway, then we could get
the numbers in there and maybe get Mr. Tremor's English sign. I would be open to that, at least for one side. Um, I also want to point out one of the signs we're showing on the west facade is is not even a it's it's not a Wall Mountain side. It's etching in the glass. We have
a big window there and we're proposing just to etch it in the glass, not to increase the wall signs as much. It's necessary to have four signs. I mean, they know where they're going. Well, some of it is for people on the
street to know just to identify it. There's also emergency personnel that have to find it coming from all areas. Um, and then just like this facade is just facing the parking lot. would be I feel it would be a little weird if there was no sign there like you know this is
essentially the face of the of the synagogue even though it's not facing the street. So if if we pull up Anthony, could you go back to the site plan? This way we could see the building and then we can go side by side and discuss what you
want that I'm sure that's fine. Fine. So the the view that you were referring to is the top view present, right? That's that's facing the parking lot and that's essentially what we're calling the front facade because that's where everyone's pulling in and that's the part that's dressed up. Um, we have
we have this this what we're calling the north elevation facing the street and we're also on Lee Boulevard over here. So, I guess the real extra one we're asking for is another one over here on your way into the park. The one on the right on the on the far
right is I don't know that that's really totally necessary since we're trying to eliminate too much signage and There will be signage on the front
corners and on the back by the parking lot. We might be able to live without that one. Well, that's the one that's etched in glass. It's not a real sign. That's the etched in glass one. All right. Which will be nice. But there's an off.
Again, it's not a backlit sign. It's kind of like very um I guess you'd call um very subtle, you know. You're talking about four signs. That's a lot of signage. Uh, you know, and we
do try to stick to the rules here. So, pick some pick two that can go, two, two, because we're we're we're asking for four or three. So, pick one that. So, if we do the corners or we do the but with
the address, we need the address. We don't need all that the other signage. We need to know where people are going. You're going to need the numbers to comply with the fire safety letter anyway. So, if we put the number and the name of the shul in both Hebrew and English on
the two frontages. Correct. And then just have that identification sign in the back that you've seen already and eliminate the right side. Correct. Uh the right side is the etched correct glass one. So if no signage that's aesthetic,
right? So we would that's fine with us. We would have etched only on the right side and then the signs as we just discussed. Correct. How does everybody feel about that thoughts? Okay. Chair. Yes sir. Um gentlemen respectfully the
information you've discussed is not currently on the plans that were submitted. Yes. I don't know. I didn't they're not the elevations do so do show signage. We we didn't get the color renderings for instance. We didn't see those.
Oh, but on the elevation, if you could pull up the architectural plans, we are showing the signs. Mr. Alier. Yes. Can you confirm that the submission did not include a request for variances or a description of the number of signs or the area of the signs for the board's professionals to review and subsequently as part of resolution compliance,
they'll be provided so there's no confusion. Yes. Thank you. And we would also stipulate the gross square footage so that there's no confusion when we come up with sizes. Um what would be the total gross square footage? You eliminate the etched glass
because that we're not treating that as a sign it per se. So I had a total of less than 80 if you if you So now with the numbering we should comply with the gross square footage of 80 and that's compliant.
That's combined. Would that would you agree gentlemen that that puts it in the area of compliance? So no waiver is necessary except for the numbers except for the numbers and we're we're in agreement on the need for the numbers for safety.
Good. And then we won't need a monument sign because we'll have the numbers on the building which is fine. And that's all we have for you. Correct? I think so. That's all for the architect. manager. Any questions for the architect? Yes,
Mr. Rogers. Thank you. As a uh resident of Jackson, I live in a residential area development and uh I'm very familiar with this uh development also.
Now, when I look at the east elevation, I'd like to clarify something in my mind. What I'm taking is the dark line to be ground level. Is that correct? A8. We're looking at A8, Mr. Rogers.
Yes, we are. Yes. Could you repeat the question? The dark line. That's the ground level. The dark line is basement. The the the the grade varies a lot. So if you look at she ground level.
Yeah, that's the elevation. Okay. Then I look at the 12oot elevation first elevation above uh grade. Then there's a 16 foot or 13 foot and then a 16 foot.
So how does that come out on A5? A5 which would be the south elevation. So we have that dotted line that says average grade. That's how we calculated our building height. Yes, but I don't believe that's the
ordinance. Isn't the ordinance no building height above? So, might I might I help out? Yeah, Mr. Gut on A5. What's the proposed dimension between the first floor and the second floor?
So, that's 13 ft total. And that's that's 11t ceiling height plus I can't hear you. need to project 13 ft total and that's 11 ft that's ceiling height of 11 ft and 2 feet for the structure the we're trying to figure out the height of the building the interior part
got it so it's not necessary so the first floor to second floor is 13 ft correct okay I understand that on the the site civil engineering plans it's only 12 feet that needs to be reconciled okay what's the dimension from the second
floor to the roof deck So that's I think it's 16 ft. 16 feet and that's again 12 16 or 15 16 16 Okay. What's the dimension from the first floor to the basement?
First floor to the basement is 12 feet. Okay. I would strongly suggest that you and the site engineer reconcile how to measure building height as it relates to average grade. If you're not requesting a variance, we're going to take the
applicant at their word that there's not a a request for a height variance. I'm here to tell you based upon the information on the site civil drawing and your information that the building height is over 36 feet because the average grade on your plan
is incorrect based upon what's on the site civil plan. I don't want to belabor the point. Suffice it to say you're not asking for a building height var. So between the site civil and yourself, you're going to have to reconcile the difference that was in our report that
you haven't testified to yet as part of resolution compliance. Correct. Correct. I thank you. So as a condition of approval, the applicant will be testifying to the fact that will not exceed 35 ft.
That is correct. In your ordinance, correct? Correct. Yeah. And I'd suggest that uh when you've gone through the minations of going of doing all this re uh orderering, you will contact our
professionals and we'll make sure that you're all in agreement. I have one more question on this. Mr. Cle's going to have to sign off on that anyway. Yeah. Right. Mr. Cle knows it's coming. Yeah. This is not a point of uh ordinance, but
it's a point of curiosity for me and maybe the audience. Uh why is this sh so much larger than other shores in the township and uh connect concourse is a one-story house. No, I Yeah, it's really a function of the
need in this they believe in this community in this area they need this size shel. So I'm there's really no other reason. Why is the Yeah. Also that that that other sh you're referring to was an audition house. There was there was a house there. We put audition on it. I didn't
want to overpower the existing house, but you know the these these numbers are within the allowance of 35 ft that you know I would I would I try to get as much height as possible without exceeding what's what's allowed. I was just curious as to why the
difference and and one thing I didn't ask you was about the roof, right? And whether it's built to accommodate solar in the event the solar provided. Correct. Yes. Thank you. We could just turn off the cell phones. I have a couple questions. Uh, first
off, I see inside you have an elevator going from the first floor to the basement, but not to the second floor. Is there a reason for that? The second floor wasn't required as the square footage is less than 3,000 ft. So, it wasn't required. So, we're still providing two means of egress as by the
stairs, but the elevator would have would have been complicated. So, it wasn't required. We didn't do it. Okay. And the the other point I want to make is I would really like to see when applicants going forward come here that they come here with accurate numbers and
that the numbers match up. That I don't want to hear this again. I don't want to hear this again that my numbers don't match up with the one plan and this plan. Going forward, I'd like to see applications have accurate numbers so we don't have to debate this over and over
again. Thank you. Any other questions for this witness? Seeing none, thank you. Uh, last is Scott Kennel. like a permanent good evening. Should get a cut. You're a permanent fixture here. Yeah.
You swear affirm, tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Yes, I do. Scott Kennel, ke n with Mcdana and Ray Associates, located at 1431 Lakewood Road, Manisquan. And Mr. Kennel, you're um seeking to be qualified as a licensed traffic expert.
I know you've testified before this board previously. Um well, I qualify as a traffic expert, correct? Yes. As recognized by New Jersey Superior Court. Thank you. Welcome. We accept your comments. There we go. And your office prepared a park a
traffic analysis that was submitted in support of the application. Is that correct? That is correct. Can you run through the with the board what you did to prepare the report and what your conclusions were? Sure. Uh so there was a traffic report submitted to the board. It's stated April 24, 2025
and it includes an inventory of existing traffic conditions in the area as well as it summarizes uh traffic counts that were conducted at the intersection of Lehi Boulevard and Adelfia Adelfi Drive in April of
2024. Those counts were conducted during the morning hours from 7 to 10:00 a.m. with a peak hour of 8:30 to 9:30 a.m. The afternoon counts are conducted from 3 to 6:00 p.m. and the peak hour recorded
occurred from 4:45 to 5:45 p.m. Uh, as far as traffic projections, as is what we typically do for this type of use, we took into consideration the number of parking spaces and assumed that they all
would be occupied during the peak hour. In other words, 50 people entering and 50 people exiting. So, we had a peak hour uh traffic generation of 100 vehicles. Again, that's for one hour. If there's multiple services, that takes place over multiple hours. So again,
it's representing based on the capacity of the parking lot that was the basis for our traffic projections. And given the roadway network, the uh existing traffic patterns, we basically
had 70% of the traffic oriented to and from uh the west because they have access to the traffic signal at County Line Road. And then to the east we have the right in right out to Lehigh Boulevard and we had approximately 30% and that's generally a lot of that is developed based on the traffic data we
collected and uh the patterns that were observed. Uh the next step was to determine how well the intersection of um Lehi Boulevard at Deli and at the site
driveways would operate. We utilized the Ocean County planning board protocol where we expanded the traffic volumes to a design year of 2035. And based on that analysis, it was determined that the site driveways as well as the adjacent intersection will
operate a level service A. In other words, meaning that the uh average vehicle delays are less than 10 seconds per vehicle during those recording periods. I I typically don't say that, but in this case, all the study locations are level service A.
As far as the site plan, it was indicated that we are providing 50 physical parking spaces. There are four EV spaces, but based on state statute, that uh accounts for 54 spaces, so we're
in compliance with the the township ordinance as far as required parking. The aisle widths are at 24 foot width. They've been designed to accommodate not only the passenger vehicles but large wheelbased vehicles such as fire emergency or refues. So in my opinion
the the site has been properly designed to provide safe and efficient movement of vehicles. The driveway locations are located at such a place where we optimize sight lines. So therefore, the site driveways, in my opinion, will operate safely and efficiently, especially considering the
recommendation of the Jackson PD, which I agree with, that to prohibit parking along the site frontage on both streets, so that we have unobstructed sight lines, not only at the intersection, but at the site driveway serving the uh the
shul. Uh that basically completes my testimony. Again, from from a traffic standpoint, uh there's the intersections and the height drivers operate at Alevel service. The site's
been designed to provide positive on-site circulation and the parking provided complies with the township ordinance. There were, I guess, two outstanding items in the Remington and Vernick
report. specifically on starting with page five, item one. Uh, as far as the roadway classification and compliance with the township ordinance according to the residential site improvement standards,
both streets are considered residential access roadways or local roadways. So therefore, the roadway classifications that relates to the residential site improvements, uh, this site complies with that provision of the ordinance.
As far as item number two, it speaks to, um, having no parking stalls on the entrances and exit driveways or mage circulation aisles. is my opinion given the number of parking spaces here in the
in the in the size of the site it's relatively low volume and low speeds. Also the other critical aspect and looking at whether or not parking spaces adjacent to driveways are uh appropriately located is how well the driveways operate and based our analysis
indicates that the 95th percentile Q or stacking is less than one vehicle. So therefore, taking that in consideration, it's it's my opinion that the site has been designed appropriately, can operate safely, and that the board could grant
uh the waiver request on that provision. I I don't know if you testified to the are both are either of these roads subject to county jurisdiction. They are not. Okay. As does it. So does a county application have to be filed at all from a traffic point of view?
From a traffic standpoint, no. But I'll defer to the site engineer based on the size of the lot. Correct. That's different. But traffic they so they have no jurisdiction over the roads. That's correct. Okay. That's all we have. Mr. Madam Chair, any questions for this uh just one
gentleman in uh retail traffic uh studies uh when it's doing the shopping center for instance a lot of times traffic engineer will ask the retailers you know what's their average customer count per hour do we
have that information for the sh they for the service in other words is any indication that they may exceed the 55 Well, again there was indicated that um right now I guess there's 40 families can be up to 100 families and my
experience has been is that if there is a capacity issue which again is dictated by the fire code then there will be multiple services to to accommodate that. So it's going to be self-regulated based on well it's going to be regulated by the fire code. It's also going to be
self-regulated by um the number of um participants at at the Well, when you say that the fire code is going to restrict the amount of people in the building, correct? But it's not going to restrict the amount of cars traveling on the site. Again, when there peak occupancy
typically occurs on Saturday on the Sabbath when they are walking, they are not driving. So, parking will not be an issue. Okay. So, but there's no other information indicating that we would Correct. Okay. Thank you.
Oh. Is there signage along the driveways that there should be no parking? Uh, do we know because I don't think there is. We can add We can add that. I think that might be a good idea. Sure. Because those are nice wide driveways. We wouldn't want to see anyone parking
along the uh interior areas to impede safety equipment, safety vehicles, fire, police, etc. We can add the signage and we can also implement title 39 so it's enforceable. Yes. So that would
well it may not be signage. The fire department wants fire striping. So either or but we have no either or but we don't want parking in in those aisles. That's the c that's the important part. Thank you.
Any other questions for this gentleman? Madam chair. Yes sir. Um Mr. Kennel, thank you for your testimony. Um believe it or not, this subdivision predates site triangles. Um,
actually went and looked up the old file map. I remember. Would it be a reasonable condition for approval that your office and your engineer's office and Mr. Cle work out a reasonable site distance at the
intersection within which the plantings will not extend? Yes. Thank you. And I was writing while you were talking and I might have been chewing gum at the same time, which means I couldn't do both of them, right?
The police report indicated they recommended connecting the street sidewalk with the interior sidewalk for easier pedestrian access. Did you all agree to that? We Yeah, Mr. Halpert agreed to address the f the police report entirely. You understand that that may require steps?
That I don't know, Mr. Halper. It may be because of the um the slope. Elevation. Correct. Yes. The elevation is uh is unusual in that spot. I just wanted to make sure it was clear that in order to do that, you're probably going to need steps. It's kind of like getting from Bates Road to the
the St. Als. There's there's one or two steps in there. Anyone who's been there when it's raining or snowing will forget that there's a step there. It will be appropriately um marked. Correct. for the Yeah, we'll work with your professionals for that.
Thank you. That's all I have for Mr. Kennel. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Cle. Thank you. Okay. And that concludes our presentation, Madam Chair. Thank you. All right. So, I'm just going to piggy back off of uh Madame Chairwoman's uh
recitation about about how the next step is going to be broken up. Uh there's going to be two different sections. First section is going to be for cross-examination of any of the witnesses that presented testimony tonight. So, uh, this is just if you have any questions about what they
testified to, uh, what they testified to regards to the plans, uh, what they put on record, anything like that, ask them direct questions about that. Second part is going to be that of the general comment. It's it's how you feel about it, your opinions, your thoughts. Uh, not direct questions to any of the
professionals, but just your your opinions and thoughts on the matter. All right. So, we'll start with the cross-examination questions. I'd like to make a motion to open the cross-examination of witnesses and cross-examination only on this application. Sullivan
second. All in favor? I All right. The floor is open. Ray Koner. I please uh use the microphone because this is being recorded and the people on Zoom want to be able to hear. All right, please raise your right hand.
Do you swear or affirm the tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? Yes, I do. All right, please state your name and spell your last of the record. Ray Koner. I live in uh the development where this is being built. And your address? 11 Forom Road. If you could spell your last name for the board secretary.
C A T O N A R. My family's owned a house in that Brookwood for 62 years. Where I appreciate Chairperson Campbell, when you own the house, there's really one way out if you're going to go away from
Lakewood on County Line Road. The driveways are looks to me about 50 ft away. We've been experiencing having to wait for two lights to leave our development currently. Do do you have any questions for the experts getting to it?
Yeah, these these those statements are better for the second half. If you could stick to the questioning for the first half, that's proto. I'm leading to it. You just didn't let me get there. No, that's fine. As long as it's going to be a question directed at the experts. Traffic. U big question mark. I think
Mr. Kennel indicating it's going to add tech a 10-second delay to have 50 potential cars coming in and out of the development. That U-turn can handle, in my opinion, about five or six cars. We
currently wait two traffic lights to get into our development. Now, I find it almost impossible to believe if we're adding 50 additional cars. I I don't want to cut you off again, but you're m you're making kind of a opinionated statement. If you have any
direct questions like like how is it possible it's only going to create a 10second delay. There you go. You can ask them. How's that? Again, as I testified, I analyzed a deli and Lehi as well as a site driveways and that's what the results of our analysis
were. As far as the signalized intersection, our office did not conduct counts. Again, a lot of the traffic that's going to be generated by the shul during the peak hours already internal to the development. So, it's not going to be new traffic. It's traffic that
generally already exists unlike a office building or a retail where it's generating new trips. So, so what you're describing is it's supposed to be within the community. They're going to get in their cars and literally drive to this facility or
they're going to be coming from another location. Many many of them would be in the community. I'm not saying all of them, but many of them will be in the community and driving and going to a service on their way prior to going to work or their other destination. It's
part of their uh commuting pattern for the lack of a better term. Um, and then as far as the evening periods, again, a lot of them, a lot of the congregants live within the neighborhood, so they're already on the internal streets. I find that interesting because you also
said that um Saturdays um first of all, the cars are all parked all over the place. They're already on a Saturday. I mean, I'm in and out of the development multiple times a day. Um I noticed they're parked on there's a lot of parking on the street. Um I I I don't
understand how it's what maybe a 15 minute walk. So people are literally going to get in their cars and drive to the facility in our development. Well, during Monday through Friday and on Sunday, on the Sabbath, they do not
drive. So they will walk, right? But as far as driving during the week, again, as I mentioned, it's it's part of their protocol during the day to go to service before they go to work or wherever their destination is going or taking children to school, you know,
that occurs in the morning hours prior to doing that other activity or going to work. Now, have you taken in consideration because this is a residential community, the streets are not very wide. If it's a car parked on the right hand side and on
the left hand side, only one car can drive through. So, if you're adding additional traffic during these peak times, it's going to create, in my opinion, a uh significant waiting time and could cause accidents. Well, again, that's taking in
consideration that these uh the roads were designed to the township standard at that time before the residential site improvement standards were put in place. And again, the volume of traffic on these roads during the peak hours, uh, for example, Lehi Boulevard in the
vicinity of the site is approximately 150 vehicles two-way. That's uh not a large volume and it and that level of volume can be accommodate if there's cars on both sides and people have to alternate flow. I mean that's standard
operating procedure and as I stated many of these vehicles that are be vis be going to the shul are already within the community and traveling through the streets today. We also made it clear that we would have
parking only on one side of the street. That should help the traffic. Plus, if I remember correctly, Lehi is a much wider road than Adelfi. It's a little bit wider. Yes. Yes, this is on a side street. So, what prevents driving through the
developments to come out the other side to try to get through? Well, I I think there'll be the traffic is divided there anyway because there are two exits from that community, right? So, but only one exit. If somebody's really smart, they'll go they'll go all
the way over to the Drexal Drive side, which will create a traffic jam going down, but they they're going right. They're making right-hand turns. they can't make a left-hand turn there. So, they're they're going to make a right-hand turn. So, it it makes sense that people might
learn to divide and find it. And I I have you recently been in our development? Uh only three times this week. Okay. So, I'm I'm very familiar. Uh I agree I agree with the problem about making the left turn in. Right. It's an issue.
I'm I'm not sure that it's an it's a it's a an inconvenience for sure. So, what are you going to do? We're already going through two lights. The U-turns pretty much packed most of the time during the day. So, if you're going to add this additional flow coming
leaving the development and coming back from the development, you're going to back up traffic on County Line Road, which creates a very dangerous That's why we have a traffic engineer and we we accept his testimony. He tells us uh what the possibilities are, what
the rules are, what the uh laws are, what the ordinances are, and they're compliant because we have many buses that go around that you turn to pick the kids up and drop them off multiple times a day. So, was that factored into your traffic plan?
So, can I comment on the traffic? Um because we're at the planning board and this is a permitted use, the only obligation that the applicant has is to make sure that the drive the two driveways operate safely and efficiently. All other off-site traffic conditions are not relevant because
that's not what this applicant can fix. They can't fix off-site traffic. They can only fix their make sure their driveways work. So, by law, that's why that intersection wasn't studied. That's why the street lifts aren't study because it's not really I'll I'll give the uh my two cents on
that. So, so just so everybody it's kind of a bl this is kind of a blanket legal um statement for everybody. So what happened was number of years ago um a case by the name of Dunkin Donuts I think versus New Brunswick went up to the Supreme Court 2010
and uh yeah a couple years ago and um the Supreme Court for whatever reason in their infinite wisdom decided that at the planning board level um a a board can't take into consideration any offsite traffic once it goes beyond the
egress ingress point. So basically what happens is that we can take into consideration uh the internal uh uh circulation plan which like you see the arrows uh on the map that that would be what that is and then we can take into consideration the ingress and egress point and essentially what the Supreme
Court wants us to do is um once it leaves the ingress egress point it basically falls into a black hole and we we don't have the legal right to deny or understand that I'm I'm just I'm just saying like the this is the sandbox that we're we're working with. And if we do
it inappropriately, unfortunately, we set ourselves up for an appeal and and litigation, the whole nine yard. So, but we're discussing leaving the development, not crossing county line and coming into the Well, I I'm not talking about the development. I'm talking about the site. So, so what happens is that the the only
thing that we can take into consideration is the is the uh safety of the ingress and egress point like like literally the the exis onto the property itself and then the internal circulation. anything beyond that. It's great that we we have these traffic studies and everything like that, but as of a couple years ago, they kind of
became almost irrelevant at a planning board level. The zoning board can take them into consideration. For whatever reason, the the Supreme Court allowed the zoning board to still take into consideration off-site traffic, but um ju just I'm just putting that on record. Uh not that I don't respect you coming
up here and and putting everything on record. This is just a sandbox that we have to work with legally. That's it. The other thing that you can take into consideration is that there is a county planning board. Th this uh county line road is a county road. So you can
approach the county planning board to discuss traffic. My reference is in the development still. I understand what you're saying, but you've got to get in the development and you're creating traffic to get out of the development which should be under
this purview before you cross county line road. And when when you say development, you mean the whole complex. with three. Yes. Yeah. We we can't we can't take anything outside literally the entrance and exit ways on that map right there into consideration at the board level for any
concern you're impeding on the rest of the residents of of the development. Unfortunately, that's what the law says. That's really unbelievable. It Listen, I'm right there with you. I think it's going to be overturned in the next couple of years, but that's a
sandbox that we have to plan. Any questions for the uh for these professionals, sir? Uh that's it for me. Thank you. Politics, please raise your right hand. Hope Drew to Iowa Court.
Oh, I I got to swear again. I'm sorry. Okay. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, not the but the truth? Yes, I do. All right. All right. So, I'm a little all over the place. I'm used to council meetings. I'm not used to planning board meetings. Okay. So, I do have a question um for you, sir.
Hi. Hi. Okay. So, your application was for is for a house of worship, correct? Or is this an application for a synagogue? I don't know the difference. Exactly. None of us do. So right here, if you look up at the Jackson Township
Code under 244 under definitions, and luckily just recently, you know, they added more to that. They added assembly area, dormatory. So Jackson went out of its way to define assembly rooms, like I said, dormitories, ritual bath houses,
but they refuse to refuse, when I say refuse, because I've been asking for over 10 years, for a interpretation or a definition of what a house of worship is. They also do not define what a synagogue is, a mosque, a shaw, none of
those are. But every application since the ordinances were changed have come before this board and use those words. So under NJSA405D-70B, this board is responsible for a full-blown interpretation which should
be sent back to the zoning board. You cannot I don't know how you can sit up here and decide what a house of worship is if it's not defined. Minister, hang on. So I'm just asking what he order. Okay. So um I'm impressed that you have that
interpretation because most people even lane use attorneys go through their whole lives and never seek an interpretation. So yeah, hats off to you, right? I would like one. Um so you could actually be a lane use attorney. Yeah. So um so that's not how that works though. So
what what happens is that uh whenever you seek an interpretation, it has to be a formal request via actual application. That uh interpretation request gets sent to the zoning officer. The zoning officer then has to render an or determination or hold a hearing at the zoning board level for that
interpretation. So the planning board is not the one that determines the uh interpretations. The zoning officer and zoning board does. Um that that's just the first thing. Second thing um is that when it when it comes down to um a use that may be undefined in ordinance um if
you have like a house of worship uh in in under the municipal use law um house of worship uh church synagogue um mosque um they're all identified the same way as as a prayer group right and and there's and there's
different varying levels to to identify um those type of structures you can go to. Um like like some townships identify it via actual um federal classification. Um some townships uh do it via uh definition by ordinance. Um I think
there actually maybe a formal statutory definition to it. Uh there's something called a class group in the in the architectural um guidelines. There there's like four or five different ways that you can actually get to the root definition of a structure. But under the municipal land use law, they kind of all
just lump together under under um a house of worship standard. But it does have to be defined. Doesn't have to be defined in any way. So intensity use doesn't matter because a house of worship for me for me I would believe it could be a prayer group once a week. Uh a synagogue is a high intensity use which causes more harm and
more impact onto a neighborhood. So that needs to be defined. Wouldn't you agree? So this application is very vague. It's falling under the window of house of of house of worship when it's it's actually a commercial use and a higher intensity which causes more impact. That's that's not how that's not how it
how is that not possible. I mean why do we have definitions you need to refer to so I've always been told and we've talked about this before Miss Campbell and I that you have to have um equality in the law right so you have to vote on
fact not on your own interpretation. So if you're sitting here saying a house of worship or a synagogue is one way or another, it is the intensity of use matters in this case. This is in an interior of a residential neighborhood. This is precedented first one ever.
You're merging different constitutional ordinances that were created. You're well, we can't get Well, we talked about ordinances still in the same. Let's let's let's chop that up. Let's chop that up. So you're you're mixing the use with intensity. And those are
two very very different concepts and and they're determined by different functions of the ordinance. I'll let my professionals kind of get into that a little bit. No, I know they're different, but that should also be considered here, right? But what you you have a use and you have the density and
those are two very different things, right? So, um on top of the fact that when it comes down to the ordinance itself, right? Um this is not the place to challenge the ordinance. You have to do that at the council level. So, so you can't Oh, no. I'm not going to here sit here
challenge the ordinance. I'm just making clear for everyone on the record that this this is an outcome from unconstitutional ordinances that were created from the settlement and we're here on the basis of that. That is why we're here. So, this would never have been allowed. Examination. Is this a cross-examination?
No, no, no, it's not cross-examination. I'm asking about the interpretation. So, there's a difference intensity of use. You're saying it doesn't matter. I believe there's impact. I believe you're responsible protecting the sanctity of a residential neighborhood and those impacts matter. You're merging different concepts that
have different buckets. So it's basically was done to bypass the zoning board who has the power to do that. But no no so you can you can use impact as a deciding factor to deny this. You're you're using different verbiage in different ways to to lump different
concepts together that can't be lumped together. Okay. So let's move on. So, you're saying not having it defined in our municipal law doesn't matter? No. No. It it matters before the township council, not before. But you're voting on an application
that's on under a house of worship. How are you can I want to know what it means then? What does it mean under the ordinances? It's a house of worship, which mean No, but what does it mean? Does it's not defined in the ordinances. It's not our law. It's a pl it's a place of worship, right? So it would be it would be no
different than so saying a house of worship means a synagogue, church or mosque. That is a definition. Those are just examples. So if you said a store, store means a shop, right, a wawar, 7-Eleven, those are names, not definitions. Is this a question for I just was curious how
we're moving how he applied for it. Curiosity can be explored that the next session. Okay. This is to ask question. Oh, I have more for the next section. So why don't why don't you do this, Miss Miss Hope? So, so we're not kind of going all over the place because you had about seven different
conversations that each one of them could have gone four or five minutes long, right? So, um why don't you do this? If you you have a question as to the use, direct it at one of the professionals so that they can they can adequately explain it to you. If you have a question as to density,
right, direct at one of the intensity, you know, same difference. they just chunk it up and and just ask just specific questions as to each one so they don't get kind of merged into into the same thing.
Okay. So since this is a residential zone, isn't this application basically a commercial use? No, no, it's a house of worship which is a permitted use in the zone. I understand it's a permitted use, but the intensity does matter. So it's a
commercial use in a residential zone. No. How do you figure that it's just answered you seven days? So, who decides? I don't. Okay. It's a commercial use period because a house of worship could be once a week.
It could be a couple hours a day. This is seven days a week, 6:30 a.m. to 11:00 at night. You're going to have a mikvah. You can have traffic everywhere. So, when that ex Okay, move on from that. So, when the traffic exceeds the parking lot and they start parking all over the
streets, um do they get um violations for that? If they're parking in areas that are designated as no parking, then yes. And who's going to enforce that? The police would. And when the police don't I I can't help you. If the police don't
enforce the law, I So, it would be zoning, code enforcement, or traffic safety, right? Y but we do have a pattern that when we get an approval here and the site plan is approved pretty much out of the list of the seven that were approved from the day that this
ordinance was created changing the R9 well targeting the R9 into the R15 zones to permit a residential uh well house of worship on a residential street. I'd say five of them are still operating outside
their site plan approval. knows how. So, let's just wonder how it's going to work here. Just a question for one of the three. I guess I'm just trying to get it out there. I getting it out there at the appropriate time would be appreciated. So, so when it goes to that, just to be clear, what happens is that this board
doesn't have violation pads where we can go out and you can revoke their you can pull back because they obviously would be okay. Go on. We can agree to disagree, but that's insane. It's not about agreeing to disagreeing. is actually understanding the process that's legally in place to actually prevent these things from
happening. Right? So, it's not about opinion, it's about process, right? Process is is that they don't have a zoning permit, they can't operate for that type of use. Right? If they don't have a CO, they can't operate for that type of use. All right? If if they're parking illegally and there's an ordinance in
place that says they can't park that way or they don't have the RSIs approvals or anything of that nature and they don't have the zoning permit to operate that type of use, they can't operate. Right. So, so it goes to a zoning body um zoning department, code enforcement
department, traffic safety department that goes out there and and formally, you know, cites people, you know, gives them violations, give them stop work orders, anything like that. you know, if if they're operating in a way that they don't have the proper approvals for, I mean, that's in in a normal everyday
world, that's what's supposed to happen. That's that's the whole point of having a zoning department and a uh code enforcement department. You know, if if a um electrical inspector goes to somebody's house and and they put in electrical work all over the place um and they don't have any electrical
permits, I mean, they get fined. and and then and then quite frankly there's probably a stop work order where they have to yank the stuff out and then and then reapply for the uh the electrical permit. It's no different for a zoning permit, you know. So, so I'm just saying it's we don't have the ability of going
to a site but if you give a site resolite plan approval for 780 heist road and they're not supposed to do overflow parking on the road and they still are not I understand but it's an example other applications but what I'm saying
to you is that if if that is they pjured themselves while getting the site plan approval therefore they are not following the you should be able to pull it back but they should have to come before the board again and ask for more parking. No, but listen to me. Listen to me. You're getting So where you're getting confused
is I'm not confused. You are confused because you you think that the that the adoption of the resolution is a triggering mechanism for them to actually uh have for them to be able to conduct a use. That's not how it works. You can't
conduct a use without a zoning permit, right? So, so just because you have a resolution doesn't mean that you actually like can go and just if you if you go if you're going to open up a shopping mall, okay? Right. And you and you go and get an actual
resolution from a planning board to o to to put in a shopping mall, right? You can't just put a shopping mall in the next day and then just open it up to the public. You have to get a zoning permit. You have to get cos, right? Then you then you have to get a formal sign off for the township engineer. you have to get county approval. There's x number
of things that that have to happen. So, you're confusing the fact that, you know, once the approval of the resolution is adopted, all of a sudden, magically, they can start operating. That's not how it works. No, I'm talking about a house that is operating. It's been operating like two, right? This house we're speaking about right now, it's been operating since 200.
I understand. And what I'm trying We know the intensity. What I'm trying to what I'm trying to tell you, they're not parking and doing what they'reing from as many people as possible. We would like to hear them ask the appropriate questions at the appropriate time with
the appropriate body. This body cannot make the changes you are seeking. You are seeking them in the wrong place. These are state, national, federal, local laws that have no bearing on what
we can do in this on this board. Please give other people here an opportunity to ask their appropriate questions at the appropriate time and then in the second section you may speak again. Okay. I did think my questions were appropriate but thank you
and I would just just request that uh we keep it to this application not other ones that have happened in the past. Uh Madam Chairwoman may I uh please ask a question of the applicant's planner Mr. Hower. Uh, Mr. Hower, not in a million billion
years that I think I'd ever have to ask this question, but I'm going to ask it so that we can satisfy people in the audience. Can you confirm that you will not be selling soap, cigarettes, candy bars, or insurance products at this place of worship?
I won't. They won't. I won't. And they won't. It's not commercial. That's right. So, this is not a commercial entity in any way, shape, or form. Correct. It's a place of worship. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, please, we're
recording this. We need silence from the group. Speak at the appropriate time in the appropriate place. Thank you, sir, for waiting. Uh, my name is John Pely. I live on Please use the microphone, please. John Pell 39. Hang on one sec. Do you swear affirm to tell the truth to whole truth? Nothing
but the truth. I do. All right. Please state your name and spell your last for the record. John Pelli Pie Li 394 Jackson Road. Been a resident here since 1980. What I'm not hearing. What about a perturbed
situation? What about when it snows? We're creating more traffic. I'm not I'm not debating what it is. Do you have any questions for the experts? Question. So when they conducted the analysis for traffic patterns, perturb situations,
failures, did they consider that and maybe give the group a a short discussion of how they did that? Mr. Kennel, I can get two feet of snow. What do we do?
Again, our traffic analysis f follows the standard protocol and basically our traffic counts were conducted in April 2024. As far as infrequent events with as far as uh snow events, that is a site
management issue where they have to clear the snow if necessary and and provide the facilities that they have available. Uh but again, traffic studies are not done on uh inclement weather
days or those type of uh infrequent events. I mean, when I look at this, I see snow one foot on the ground, a big pile in that parking lot. They're not hauling it away. Nobody I'm
not hearing that. The the town should be part of this in my opinion, too. Why isn't both of those roads changing to a oneway? You got birectional traffic there. You you're acknowledging you're going to add more cars to choke points and the town can do. We just did
something at Pittney Lane, right? So why can't the town do something from the flanking boundaries of this thing back into the residence to help these people? And that's all I got to say. Thank you, sir. race.
Okay. All right. Please raise your right hand. You swear, affirm, tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Yes. All right. Please state your name and spell your last of the record. It's Paul Nam. Ne Lehigh Boulevard. Okay. So, I have a couple questions. A few questions about
lighting, landscaping, and the traffic. Um, one is parking on the Shaw side. Can you explain again why that's not allowed? It seems like there's going to be plenty parking on that side of the road. Lehi is a very wide street
and you're going to put a undo uh parking on the residential side. Let him asking or let him answer one question at a time. Yeah. First of all, that was a recommendation of the Jackson Peak Police Department, which I agree for a number of reasons. One, at the intersection of Adelfi and
Lehi Boulevard, we need to provide sight triangle easements. In other words, so when someone comes up on a deli that they have adequate sight lines to look east or west on Lehi Boulevard. So there is a certain area that would have to be restricted because of uh providing the
appropriate sight lines and and then as far as the Lehigh Boulevard driveway, we need to have sight lines for proper sight lines when traffic is exiting the site. So when you take that in consideration of the intersection sight lines and and the sight driveway,
there is uh no no area that could accommodate parked vehicles. Now when you look at a deli that has a horizontal curve, we're on the inside of a horizontal curve. So as a result, someone exiting the site, if there were cars parked between the
site driveway and Lehi Boulevard, would have an obstructed sight line. So because of those reasons and the recommendation of uh the Jackson Police Department, compliance with proper sight lines as well as title 39 which have
provisions for uh no parking adjacent to intersections and driveways. It it makes all the sense in the world not to permit parking along the site frontage for this particular site. Okay? because it's it's I mean it's in use now and the barking doesn't seem to
be an issue but I'll take that. Can you talk about the sight lines sir? Could you use the microphone? It's being recorded. Thank you. Can you talk about the sightelines exiting on Lehi Boulevard and entering? So you have you are you're familiar with the the street. There's a hill there and
it's kind of a blind spot going my driveway is directly across from that. So pulling out into the street is always a bit of a challenge because I can't see anybody. Anybody can't see me who's coming over that hill. Have you considered one-way entrances into the parking lots to avoid that situation or
can you tell me the considerations that were uh took into consideration for that entrance on Lehi? I'd rather see it moved closer to Adelfi because it's uh directly lower than that uh blind hill. You can't. Well, again, the the ideal
situation one for separation from the intersection is to locate the driveway as far east as possible. We're shown on the site plan. In addition, the approximate location of the driveway is generally the high point of that vertical curve that exists as you're
going um east of Adelfi. And so, I'm talking about the Lehi the Lehigh entrance. Oh, I'm sorry. Let me Lehi Boulevard. Yes. has that vertical profile and we're close to the top of that profile. That also allows us to have a sight distance
in excess of 250 ft which is required based on the posted speed limits of Lehi Boulevard. And that location is optimizes the sight lines. If you move it closer to Adelfi, then you're further away from the crest
of the of the hill on Lehi Boulevard and you're also then getting closer to the deli intersection. Again, it's the ideal situation is to have as much separation as possible from two public an intersection of two public streets.
Okay. Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a dangerous area there for for sure. Um can you tell me if there's going to be additional street lights required by those entrances because right now it's kind of I've got some concerns about lighting, but street lights where those entrances are, there going to be
additional street lights put on there? Yeah, I don't defer to the site engineer. There is there's there is only um site lighting provided within the site not on not along the streets. Okay. So so we don't know from the township whether there'll be additional
street lights put up. My concern is I believe that's JCPNL will uh so that has from the site I understand can I answer that Campbell please? If if residents petition the governing body we could put in a request to JCPNL. I don't want to light.
Then we res if residents don't petition then we won't make a request then nobody will plan the light in. So while while I got you about the lighting, um you mentioned the buffering uh between the residential and the shaw and we've said uh the landscaping is
going to take care of that. Can we talk about the height of that landscaping and the type of landscaping um because it seems, you know, the trees that are that are pictured there are probably not the right trees you're putting in, but um are they going to be evergreen trees? They're going to be they're going to be
evergreen trees. And um there is a uh township uh tree forester that reviews it and provides recommendations specifically for site applications and we'll be following the recommendations of the uh licensed tree expert. The
buffering screening along the um uh residential properties are going to be ever are going to be evergreens with height to provide for proper screening. Do we know that height? So, the proper screening because most of those are two-story, you know, houses, right? And
you're a 26 foot building or I guess that's up for debate as well. 36 46. Um, so is that also being taken into consideration when we talk about the height of the landscaping? the the typical height is is um is uh intended
for the um people on the ground and the typical height would be more in the 10-ft range, not in the 30 foot um range. We could work with the um with the uh tree forester to see if we can get some taller plantings. Um there
would be more width added to that, but we could see to have taller plantings. um it would not probably be 35 feet, but we could work with the tree forester to have taller plantings than presently indicated on the plan. Okay. So, how do we petition for that or
how do we get that on the record that we'd like taller landscaping request to block as much Does the applicant uh stipulate that they'll put in taller plantings? the the applicant would agree to work with the tree forester to put in taller plantings up to 20 feet as approp as determined
appropriate by the tree forester. Okay. And is there anything from the tree forester that will give us uh an idea of the maturity to those trees whether they plant you know they can plant three foot bushes and then in 15 years they'll be 20 feet. Um yeah there are requirements as to the
maturity at the time of the plant thinking. Okay. So, uh I guess how do we how do we get additional information after this planning session on that uh on that landscaping? So, how do how do I follow up with that just to kind of uh stay
informed? You you can contact Mr. Alfiri's office and he can give you the name of the forester if need be and then you can reach out to the forester directly. She she was absolute sweetheart. Okay. She's a township employee. I'm sorry. What was her name? I'll give
your name and number if you want. You could you could write it down. Yeah. During when you walk away, I'll hand you this. You can write it down. Give it back. How's that? Thank you. Um and then I have a question about uh another question about the lighting as
far as the interior lighting. Will that be blocked? Will you have shades inside? So that I know that you're going to cut off the lighting at a certain time. I think you said 10:30. Um because I know I'm directly across in the parking lot. So, the concern is with that entrance, I'll still see lighting from the parking lot. Um, but I'm wondering if I'll see
lighting from the building as well or when services at night are conducted, will there be inter uh internal shades to kind of block the lighting from escaping the building? We have to ask the architect that we did request that there be timers on
the exterior lighting that would go off by 10:30. So, you heard the question about shading windows. Yes. So, usually after services are finished, the lighting shuts off. Either a timer or they're manually shut inside the building. Inside the building. Will there ever be
services past 10:30? Is that a possibility? No, we um stipulated the hours, they won't go beyond that. The operation hours we already stipulated. It will not go beyond 10:30. Not beyond 10:30. And
lighting. So when lighting goes off in the parking lots, I'm assuming there'll we talked about there'll still be safety lighting. There'll be a safety light. Yes. Will there be safety lighting around the exterior? There will be one safety light at the door. At the door. So nowhere else on the property as far as the
we stipulated the the uh timing um for the exterior lighting will be for all the lights except there will be one light on the wall one wall mounted light that will remain on for safety purposes at at the building itself. At the building itself there will be nothing. So the way it looks on a picture is a retaining wall
around there. There won't be any lighting on the exterior of the retaining wall. Correct. All lighting will be or the lighting is only within the parking lot. There is no lighting at all within the grass area near the that retaining wall for the storm water management system to begin with. The lighting is only
depicted within the parking area to begin with. Okay. La last question and then I'm I'm through. Is uh lighting by the entrances? Um well two lighting signage I understand won't have lighting. It'll just be signage. No signage.
No monument signs. The wall signage are just monuments. They're not lighting. There there are signs on the wall without lighting. Without lighting. Okay. And then will there be lighting on the entrances? Do you mean the entrances? The driveway entrances. The driveway entrances there. The the the entire parking area including the driveway entrances will be
well lit. The placement of the actual poles are depicted on the plane and those will all go out on timers. Those are going entrance lighters. That is what we're those are the lights that will be going out on timers. Okay. Yes. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Good to see you again. Nice to see you, too. Please raise your hand. Do you swear, affirm, to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? I do. All right. Please state your name and smell your last for the record.
Deb Jones. J O N S. Um, I'm on He Road in Jackson. Um, one of my big questions is, and I don't know who would explain it, but we're here today for the hearing. I'm a little confused at how
the numbers don't match up on everybody's plans. I would just really like to know like where does that break down because unfortunately I see a lot of things going on and we've become a town that we ask for forgiveness and not permission.
So where does well ma'am when once the applicant and our professionals will meet and discuss making sure those numbers are what comply to our
ordinances that that can't they don't skip a spot that but is that after you vote yes? Well because what we vote yes based on the resolutions and the acknowledge that our professionals will be meeting with
the applicant. So, I may be able to just cut this down a little bit. So, the the only uh the only number that was a question tonight was that of the height and from my understanding based upon the actual layout of the property. The weight of the slopes there. There's a um within
the ordinance itself determines how you actually start like where the number is, right? So um at the time of completion of everything what happens is that the township engineer will actually go out to a facility um like postresolution compliance whole 9 yards and make sure that the grading like where they start
with is compliant with the ordinance. So in this situation what happened is that there may be a little bit discrepancy of where they started like measuring the height from because of the slope of the property. Um so what we did here is basically say okay if that's the issue
you know my koopa but um you are agreeing to the fact that you will not exceed the 35 ft of the ordinance requirement. So they can go up to 35 ft um whatever whatever the the ordinance foot is. They can go up to that without asking any permission whatsoever because
it's it's a matter of right like anybody can do it. you you can build a residential home and as long as you're not above the the ordinance standard, you just build it however high you want. So, this is the same situation. So, they stipulated on the record that, you know, even though there is a discrepancy between, I think, where they started the
measurement and and where they ended up top because of the slope, um, they will not exceed that. And if they do, they're going to come right back to the board and they're going to have to request a variance and we're going to have to determine what's going to happen at that point in time. So, so that will change everything. So, but what they agreed to
was that uh they would not they're agreeing not to build a building any more than what they have a right to. Um and if they do, they come back before us. No, I understand that. But I also am living the dream of
yes, a property was supposed to be a certain way. No, it's not. And I'm reaping the consequences of it. And nobody's been back in to do anything and nobody's fixing it. Excuse me, ma'am. I'm just saying about this application.
Nope. I'm just saying I understand discussing this. I understand. Let me finish my statement because the people who are now living around this, they're going to be me in a year. So that's why I'm saying when do we make sure because
if you vote yes, you vote yes under any stipulation. I don't care. But nothing's built yet. So they so they have to, you know, go get a zoning permit, then they have to get building permits, and they have to get the township of engineer to sign off on it. So, and there's multiple layers that they won't be able to do anything
until they get the proper approval. So, unfortunately, we're kind of we bear the brunt of this because we're the first step of the process and we have the formal hearings. You know, there's no formal hearing for zoning permit or a building permit or anything like that. So, most people, unless they, you know, do it themselves personally, are really
unfamiliar with the process. you know, like you go to get hot tub, you go to put a pool in your backyard, you become very familiar with the with the process because you got to do it yourself, you know. Um, but with this, we kind of bear the the brunt of the first end of the stick, so to speak, because we're the only ones with a public hearing. So, um,
they they're going to have to go through multiple layers. They're going to have to go through resolution compliance, then it's a zoning permit, uh, then it's the CO, uh, I'm sorry, then it's the, uh, building permits, plumbing, um, you know, electrical, fire, whole nine yards. Then they have to get the building CO. uh or TCO that that leads
to a CO. Um and then they have to get the uh township engineer to sign off on it. Uh bonding requirements, homeland art. So there's many steps of the process that normal people don't see because they're not directly involved with it unless they've lived through it themselves with building a home or
renovating a home or or something like that. So, um, that that's this is what I'm going to leave you with because there's there's multiple redundancies and checks and balancing systems in here and as long as zoning and code are are
doing what they have to do from a enforcement uh mechanism um then everything should go smoothly. I appreciate you putting that on the record because I've been to many of the town meetings and it's like chasing your
tail because you say go to the council, the council says go to planning, planning says go to zoning. I I don't have enough time in my life to have to go through all of them. I want someone to just answer it ahead of time. So, thank you. Yeah. Unless you're doing it yourself, it's kind of very difficult,
you know. Yeah. Yeah. Just watching it in your town is difficult. All right. Do you swear or affirm the tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? Yes. All right. Please state your name and spell your last for the record. Kelly Canis, KA NIS, uh 35 Villanova Drive in Jackson in the development
where this um commercial style looking building is going up. Um ma'am, if you could use the microphone please. Sure. Because it's being recorded. Thank you. Um it was mentioned that it was not a school and it won't be rented out. So there's no camp, daycare, things like that that
will be run out of there. No. And there's no sleeping over. It's not a hotel. It's not a dormatory. Correct. Okay. That's why we have the operations are explained. Good. I appreciate that because currently it's run I guess illegally
then as those types of things in the neighborhood. Um, another question about the dumpster on this commercial looking property. Um, it only has to be 10 ft from somebody's property line. Cor
and uh the use of 100 families, so 4 to 500 people a week, it will only get picked up two times a week. Well, that's what's proposed. But if it require they don't generate a lot of waste, but if it requires more frequent pickups, they're going to have to arrange for it's all private carriers,
so they'd have to arrange for more frequent pickups if necessary. Okay. And I understand there was a lot of talking about the lighting, but the brightness, the lumens, the wattage will fall under residential requirements. the the parking lot will be lit per the
parking ordinance and the uh spillage will be prevented via shields in a residential because I think it's different for commercial residential. So I mean some of the requirement is point there's a certain minimum uh required parking of
but how about maximum that's that's my concern and there at at the uh at the um the lighting plan indicates that the maximum at the property line is 2 and additionally there's going to be um
uh there's going to be shields is three additionally is going to be cut off shields to prevent spillage. Okay. And currently there's about an acre of um land that has permeable um you know grass uh trees, bushes, things like
that. So you're paving over um pouring concrete over and leaving it with the one little basin. How deep is that basin? And that will prevent all of the runoff that's currently um so there's there's actually two pieces um to it. Um there is the basin
which is a surface basin. It's about it's 2 and 1/2 ft uh deep. There is additionally a subsurface basin that black those black. Um Anthony, could you go to the uh to the lines on the other one? Yeah, two sheets there. Two sheets. Um
sheet number four of of this set. The next one. Uh I'm sorry. Sheet number five. So that black this all that those are pipes, underground perforated pipes. So, it's a combination of a surface basin and a
subsurface basin. Okay. And it is compliant with the storm water management regulations. Because I know currently Brookwood 3 has been has had a history of sewage problems and um during our soil testing we did discover the water table is not very deep and the
the calculations and the um facilities account for that to improve upon what is currently. So when this goes in, neighbors shouldn't have to worry about their basements being flooded or the sewers backing up or the smell that
comes from the sewers in Brookwood 3 over the years. Well, um, this is this is a this is a storm. This is rain. This is rain runoff. There shouldn't be any um odor from that, but um there should be no runoff and actually the requirements are to improve upon the current runoff.
All right. All right. Thank you for answering my questions. All right, ma'am. Please raise your right hand. All right. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? I do. All right. Please state your name and spell your last for the record. Elanor Hannam, HA N is a Nancy. N is in
Nancy. U M is in Mary. Your address. Seven Evergreen Court. Um, my first question is for the traffic expert. So, when you did your traffic count, you did it on a Thursday.
A Thursday and a Friday. Correct. Oh, you did do it on a Friday. Friday morning. Correct. Friday morning. Okay. You did not do it closer to sundown. As I mentioned, we did it from 3 to 6 on Thursday, April 18th, and that's
generally consistent with the higher traffic volumes that in the industry. 3 to 6 is typically the highest weekday traffic period. So, that's where we have done our counts, which is uh consistent with
uh multiple other traffic studies we've done in town. Right. But this is a very unusual situation. It's not like you're doing a traffic count for a commercial business. This is very specific. So that that is my one thing. Um when it comes to RSIS
and when you put together the counts for parking, how is that determined? Well, it's not RSIS because that's for residential. So the township ordinance has a parking requirement for this type of use. Um and Mr. Kell could give you
the details. Correct. What it's the ordinance stipulates that you need 1.25 parking spaces per 100 square ft of the sanctuary. So we have the sanctuary is 2,977
square ft and that works out to 38 parking spaces. There's also another parking standard for assembly area at 75 spaces per 100 square feet.
And there are there is uh 1,995 square feet for the assembly area which then based on the uh the ordinance. So again it's in it and I and then to qualify that for any assembly area in excess of 800 square ft. So therefore we
need 15 parking spaces. So in total 53 parking spaces are required by ordinance. And then you did the four EV spaces because an EV space under New Jersey law now counts twice.
Each EV each EV space equates to two parking spots. Correct. Correct. Right. So, um, can anyone use these EV parking spots or Yes. So, like I can drive in there and put my Tesla hook it up.
Oh, you mean? That's That was my question. Not a congregant of the synagogue is what you're asking. No, I I Yes. Maybe just anyone in the neighborhood. I I doubt that they were for public use. Yeah, they're only for the congregants. Okay.
Um that's all my questions for you. Thank you. Um the architect. Oh, just for reference, the 50 parking spots on an average day
on a Saturday, May 31st, I counted lining the streets of Lehi and Adelfi, 45 cars. Oh, I was there several times last week. I
also counted 35 cars. Yeah. Well, my on this day was 45. Uh, however, however, I do not know if those cars were people using the facility or people who live in the neighborhood. Well, when you live in a neighborhood such as when there's use like that,
because we're dealing with other uh neighborhood issues in other developments, um, you do know because of the way they're lined up and parked. So, it's very I was there this afternoon and I saw a large number of
cars parked by homes that there were no services going on at all. No, that's good. So, people are using Okay. I just would like to to get through my testimony, not so that you can discount what I'm saying. You were the one that brought it up,
ma'am. I I wasn't questioning you. I was questioning pictures him showing pictures. Um, as far as the architecture, um, you have a warming room. So then this means that there's going to be food
deliveries. Correct. Okay. And the food deliveries will be how often? There's only when there's some kind of event going on there. An event. An event that can hold how many people? Well, IC number would be 133 people.
Okay. So, 133 people, but we only have 50 parking spots. That makes sense. Um because actually the people within the neighborhood are not the ones who are driving in parking. They are walking. These people are
coming from out of town. So, um, just saying. Uh, so, and you also testified that when it comes to the garbage pickup, that's only going to be one day a week, but there's going to be food. We said two days a week and more if if
necessary. Okay? Because right now there's a problem in Harfield and Edgewood and it's growing that there's a problem with rats and it's because of garbage and now we have a food use issue in the middle of it. Mr. We we can't we can't bring other
Okay, I'm just I'm just making note because we're going to have a dumpster that's sitting there food, right? But we got to keep 100 people eating. So the food waste goes somewhere, right? So that will be a concern for the the
people who live in this neighborhood. Why don't we do this? Why don't we do this? And can can the applicant can the applicant stipulate that if they have an event they will arrange for um garbage pickup either either that day or the following morning? There some some kind of time
you know minimize a time gap in between because that's a valid point. We're finding out. Yeah. Yes. So if there's an event that has food service, they will have the garbage picked up within 24 hours by the next day. Okay.
Okay. You'll make that a stipulation of uh Okay. So this this um house has a worship has an assembly added to it which increases the intens intensity of use and the question is with the overflow if
there is a hundred people there where are they parking again most of these events are going to be on Saturday no there's no driving it's it's it's a community multi-purpose room for the community there will be some outside people on let's say a brisk so then they'll come and they're all
going to along the road. Well, no, and inconvenience all the neighbors who live there. All we could do is provide the parking that's required by the ordinance. Um, is there an event that might generate more
parking? I guess that's possible with any use, but we're we're doing what the ordinance requires. Okay. But again, this is a residential neighborhood and this impedes on the peaceful enjoyment of the residents who are paying property taxes and have a
vested interest in their home in this neighborhood. Um, when it comes to the basement, where is the exits? We have an exit over there and we have a ramp over there and then there's internal access from the stairwell. So there's there's that that's that's how
you get in from stairs stairs upstairs and over there. So there's there's two there's two or three means of eress from from the outside. So to to get outside there's two ways without that elevator. Correct.
Okay. Um Okay. I think that's it for you. Uh the other one is the planner. Can I just get to the garbage? If the event is on a Saturday, we may not be able to have pickup on Sunday. So it would have to be Monday. I don't know if the carrier would come on a Saturday. If the carrier doesn't operate on
Saturday, it'll be the next day. Yeah. Okay. You want the back the engineer back? Pickup day. Okay. I'm sorry. Engineer back. Yes. Um, so I was looking
this civil exhibit. So the maximum impervious coverage by code is 70%. Can you go to You want the cover sheet? Yes, please. Um, Anthony, could you please um pull up
the civil exhibit? Uh, page number three. And can you go down to the next page? Next page. The colorful one with the retention basin. The landscape rendering you're looking for. Oh, I guess that's the one. Um, could you go to page two of this
set, please? Is this the plan you're looking for? Yes. Okay. So, I'm looking at this and you're you have in your in you know your key on the side. When
it comes to the imper imperous coverage, you're only accommodating 65.26 26%. Does that look like 62% Mr. Peters? 65 of imper imperous coverage.
Well, it has to be 65 because that's what our plans say. So, if the engineers for the town determine it's incorrect, then we'd have to come back with a different plan. Correct. Correct. the typically the be the um buffering there's 10 foot buffering
along the sides and then there's um areas in the front greater than uh there's 15 ft. So typically on these properties because of the buffering itself it always is going to be less than 70% but we have we will be
providing the calculations this is not close to it's um as indicated 65% your rendering is a little off I I I think I can figure out 65% or 70% of an acre and that looks like it's exceeding
70% coverage and we and we cannot exceed that. We can't. So what's gonna happen, Mrs. Hamm, if uh No, I'm looking at it all over town. So, and nobody's doing that anything about that. Miss M, hang on a sec. So, what what's going to happen just to address that point? So, let let's say they let's say the
planes are wrong and and they're at at um 70 or 75 or something like that. What's going to happen is that um so our our engineers going to see that during resolution compliance, right? And that's going to trigger them to come back to the board for variance. So that's like
automatic automatic variance, right? So if they're beyond that, they have to come back. Additionally, what happens is that the the township um engineer also does an inspection of it before releasing the bonding requirements or anything like that if he thinks that somebody messed up along the chains. It
will also come back even post zoning permit. So So there's kind of different layers in there that take a look at it. Not not saying that, you know, maybe there are situations which I haven't heard about which have gotten beyond that point, but you know, there are multiple layers of redundancy that that
take a look at it and and they're good people. You know, it it's all over town. Um, so I'm looking at the retention basin. Is there going to be a fence around that? There will be. There will be a fence. How high will this this fence be? A 4ft high chain link fence. Okay. So that's on a corner uh frontage
on both sides. Do they need a variance for that? No. Set back. They're in the setback. Setback. Okay. Yeah. All right. Um, when it comes to the drainage, so I know the property. I know it's on a hill. I looked at your design plan for
your drainage underneath the parking lot over there that will infiltrate into your uh stormwater basin. But here's the issue that I'm seeing. What that is up on the grade is high. Where is all that water? You have
into the sewer system, five days of heavy rain and we've all seen it. Where is all the water on the right side of that parking lot going? And can the storm water our storm water drains
even handle that? the uh require the applicant is meeting the requirement of the storm water management rules and um there currently is a certain amount of runoff from the site. The rules require that the runoff
be actually decreased. So the storm water facilities that are provided on the plan um are con are constructed in a way that there will be less runoff than is currently that will be going into the um township storm sewer system. I don't
know how you can do that with the slope on the right side of the entryway. The the uh plan depicts uh catch basins to capture the runoff and send it to a surface basin sub at the bottom of the entrance. The there
is there is a trench drain located um on if you if you go to um the Anthony could you go to the um could you go to the um uh fifth sheet I
believe there is there is a trench there there are catch basins and then that I've seen an additional trench drain to capture runoff and the plan and the um rules allow for a certain amount of runoff
less than the existing runoff. So again, it's complying with the requirements, which is to decrease the runoff. It's making an improvement. It severely exceeds what a regular normal neighborhood home would have as far as runoff. Um, when it comes to the
environmental reports, did the environmental commission review this project? The project has been submitted to the environmental commission and there have been no comments. Okay. So, how are we moving forward if
the environmental commission has not good question? So, what happens with the environmental commission? It's considered like any outside agency approval. So, what happens is that you don't um you don't need I've had this conversation actually with a couple of board members. So, um a lot of people
are under the impression that you need to get all the outside agency approvals. um approved prior to being able to come to the board when in reverse the reality is actually the opposite. So what happens is that I put in my resolution that they have to get all the approvals
from the outside agencies um prior to getting a zoning permit. So Mr. Cle won't sign off on anything unless they have all the appropriate approvals. So what will happen is that during resolution compliance the uh environmental commission and the D actually both of them simultaneously
they use the same computer systems um to they both have to sign off on it and they won't even qualify for a zoning permit to operate the use until they get those approvals. How has this been going on all this time when we haven't had an environmental commission
for Jackson meeting for the past two and a half years? There's one meeting tomorrow night. I there's apparently one tomorrow night. Well, but how are we moving forward with this? Because this is part of state statute that they're supposed to be goes to the doing this, right?
So, so how are we approving when there are none? So therefore, we have a board that's not compliant. Well, it's not and we're approving an application. Slow slow up. Slow up. So what happens is that there's a state statute that we
have to hear an application within 45 days of the application being submitted which is why all of the the outside agency approvals happen during resolution compliance. Now once it goes to resolution compliance um Mr. Cle takes care of it right and he goes through everything systematically and
there's a lot that are in the pipeline right now. I mean maybe it's from the fact that the environmental commission hasn't met in a while. I'm not sure myself, right? But once it once it goes past the board, that kind of that ends our involvement in it, so to speak. And we I kind of keep tabs on on different,
you know, the D approval, Caffer approval, Pineland approval, things like that. That I'm concerned more for what is happening in this town and the Jackson environmental. Right. But but what you're doing is that you're you're bringing a different jurisdiction into the planning board
that we have no control over. But we all always have someone from the environmental commission on the planning board because it is their job. That's also not true. What what happens with that what happens with that is that there there's a state statute that says
you you're allowed to have an environmental commissioner on the board, right? Because ordinarily what happens, you can't you can't like, you know, be on three or four different agencies simultaneously and also be in the planning board, right? because some of them conflict. So the state statute
that you're referring to allows somebody to be in the environmental commission and also sit in the planning board because some of their roles uh overlap, right? It's not required, but it overlaps. But right now, Jackson's out of compliance for not having or holding environmental
beyond nobody here has any involvement in that. That's that's the thing, right? But it is their job, their part. It's it's a zone it's a zoning officer's job when he's looking at the zoning permit to make sure that everything is signed off on. Well, the zoning officer that's a whole
another conversation. You really don't want me to open up that can of worms. I'm just saying. So I I'll just I'll just move on. But I am make putting it on the record that the environmental commission has not reviewed this application, right? and they have not reviewed the
fact that there is potentially um noise pollution, light pollution, whether or not there's going to be adequate water supply and the sewage capacity for such a I mean this was
built in 1962 and I've been in this town since 196. Just just to be clear, what's going to happen is that in in a normal reality, right, you you have to get every outside agency approval, including the environmental agency and the D, which overlap, right? So they they kind
of look at a lot of the same things, if not all of the same things. And so you really have multiple redundancies when it comes down to D approval because you have the the local and then you have the state, right, through the D. But what I'm saying to you is that in order for anybody to get a zoning permit, all that
stuff's got to be taken care of. And that's that's like a year and a half away from what happens at this point. But right now, I I have I can read off three properties right now. We're only supposed to talk about actually operating without not improving
their site plan. And I'm sorry because I'm looking at yet one more application that they're going to wait 10 years until they raise enough money to actually build it because that's what's happening. I get it. But what happens is that that's why we have a zoning officer and that's why we have that's not doing his job. We have I'll
put that on the record. So all right. So I have I guess Mr. Alfieri. Um currently who is the owner of this property? I have I have no idea.
Nor would I. I mean, whoever signed the application who's Okay. Who Who signed the application? Let's see. Probably an LLC. The owner looks like Nine Lehi LLC. Mhm. What a surprise.
Okay. So I will let you know this is owned by a Mr. Schmal Gthner who lives at two Dartmouth. This is a rental property. It is on the landlord registration as a rental property.
But when you look on the civil documents to the right, it states that the owner is 10 Bear Trail who is UL and Peril um Tesser. But the applicant the applicant is
Congregation Brookwood, Inc. and that is 36 Villanova Drive. Miss Hannah, we let me finish and I will be done. But we can't get title issues. 36 Villanova Drive is also a rental and that is owned by Isaac and Melinda man
who lives at 1729 52nd Street in Brooklyn. All right. Just just to be clear, right? So the the planning board and this is case law. This is not just me despinging this, right? Planning board does not have jurisdictional right to to interfere in
any title issues that anybody brings up, right? So that's where the that's where the court of equity is in superior court chancery court that would be the proper place to file anything if you think anything is is so so I am putting it on the record for
the residents who live in Brookwood 3 so that they know who their neighbor is and who owns it, who's applying for it, who's the money maker and the backing. The people in that neighborhood deserve to know. I understand that. All we can
do is go by who signed the application and the fact that they're testifying that they have either either a contract purchaser interest or they own the title to the to the property. That's it. Okay. Right. So, at the planning, I'm just letting you know at the planning board level, that's that's how it operates. All right. And that's case law. That's not me.
I'm I'm just saying when it comes to the environmental commission, I don't know how you can possibly even vote on this right now. They have a year and a half to get the approval. That's just how it works. campaign trail has opened. I forgot to ask one question earlier.
Okay. To whom? Um I'm not sure. It has to do with parking. We already have her sworn in. Yeah. Yeah. Um so I know it was stated earlier that this will just be a um house of worship. No dormatory, no hotel, no camp, nothing
like that. So, no overnight parking will be allowed in the parking lot in the dark parking lot. I I don't There may be parking in the parking lot overnight, but the facility can't be used um for those hours. I'm not sure if someone came in from out of
town and they leave their car in a parking lot. We're not going to stop them. So, the township will allow overnight parking in the parking lot of a commercial type building in a residential area. I know it's not a commercial building, a commercial type,
commercial looking. It is a house of worship, right? So, it's private property. I mean, it's residentially zoned. So, there will be overnight parking most likely. Not necessarily.
It It's private property. The owner of the property can determine whether someone may be or or may not park overnight. Okay. It's private property. Just like your driveway, right? Okay. But only this one has 53 spaces.
I if you want, we could stipulate that the only time there'll be overnight parking would be on the Sabbath. So if someone came in Friday night and they parked there, they can't take the car out till Saturday night or Sunday. Otherwise, we don't need overnight parking. And that would just be an isolated case. It's not a regular event.
But it can happen. Well, it would be regular like weekly event. But that's what I'm saying. If it's not if nobody's sleeping on the property, then why why the need for the 15? Driving in on a Friday, driving in on a Friday, maybe walking to a friend's
house or a or a relative's house. They may need overnight parking. They can't drive on the Saturday. All right. So, we'll have That's not saying we will have anything, right? But we might have the neighbors will have the 53 park driveway
overnight. It's your private property. They have a right. You have a right to control that. Right. But in a residential area, I don't have room for 53 cars on my private property. But they do. So that's 53 cars potentially parking overnight.
No, ma'am. Yes, Miss Campbell. It is. No. Thank you for answering the question. Oh, here she is. Come on. Sorry, that was I have one question. Um, can we Elanor Hannah, can we make a
stipulation that they cannot park and leave school buses or buses and um ambulances here because that's what we're seeing at other locations. Can can we make a stipulation? No parking of buses. No parking of
ambulances. That's fine. Except temporarily if there's a temporarily. How long is temporary? I don't know how if the ambulance has to stay. Why? Why would the school bus have to be there? No, I'm talking about the ambulance more likely. Okay. But why would the what to come and go? Yeah.
Parking there. No, not what I'm seeing. So, no parking of ambulances and buses. We've agreed to. What could we use the term long-term? No long-term how about in the event of an emergency, right? So, so in in the absence of an
emergency, there's no over I mean if some god forbid something happens, somebody's you know, long term is just like the ordinances that were passed long just stating a long term. They'll only be temporary. Temporary. It's not going there's not even long
term. It'll be a temporary parking. If a bus came and dropped people off, I don't know why they would. It' just be temporary. We could stipulate to that. Okay. Thank you. We need a chair now. I know. Good evening. Good evening.
Good. Please raise your right hand. You swear from tell the truth the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Yes. All right. Please state your name and spell your last for the record. Okay. My name is Paul Rivier. I live in Jackson. I'm not going to give you my street address. Yeah, you have to because it goes to the weight of your testimony. Sorry, what was that? You have to because it goes to the
weight of your testimony. It goes to the weight of your testimony. So, there's case law on point indicating that if you don't give your address, I think that's baloney. It's not baloney. It's case law. Trust me, because the zoning board attorney told somebody they didn't have to give their
street. I I understand and I'm very familiar with the case law because I've argued it multiple times in front of both. superior court and the appellet court. Can you cite me at the law? Not off the top of my head because you took me off. All right. Because I don't I think it's baloney. I I don't see I understand you think it's baloney, but
you Well, I'm refusing to do it. What are you going to tell me? I can't I can't then then I can direct the board to disregard any statements he makes. Well, we're streaming. I don't want to give my home address. I I understand. I'm just telling you. I understand that. So, bottom line, I'm
not going to give it to you. Right. then you can sit down. Well, let's put it on the record that uh it's already the president has already been taken that the zoning you don't have to do that precedent is case law.
All right. I'm not worried about what any other attorney has done or hasn't done in the past. I'm not worried about that. I would like you to I'm worried about being legally compliant. You're going to kick me. So, if you want to if you want to give Can I speak? No, I'm talking. Thank you very much.
I'm telling you what the case law is and what the law is. So if you want to give your address, that's fine. If you don't, that's okay, too. But the consequence of that is that your testimony will have no weight and it will be disregarded pursuant to the Supreme Court case law and you can take a seat.
Or can you just cite the law, the municipal land use law? It's it's the MLUL, the municipal land use law. I don't have to site off the top of my head because you came up here and took me off guard. That's it. Have a seat. I can get it to you after. If you don't know the law, it's baloney.
Well, you apparently don't either, so please take a seat. Seeing no one else come forward, I move to close the public portion of it'll be the cross- examination. Crossexamination. [Music]
Never mind. Hi, Val Tutor Jackson. All right. Please raise your right hand. I'm using somebody else's phone that I'm not familiar with. That's all right. Ma'am, would you raise your right hand to be Let me swear you. Do you swear? Affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth,
nothing but the truth. Yes. All right. And please state your name and spell your last of the record. Okay. Valutor T. And your address? I write Debor Jackson, New Jersey. Thank you. Is that good? Yep. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Um I'm new to
these um uh these boards. So um I have a quick question for you. I heard that when um Eleanor, I believe her name was challenged the environmental study and you said you didn't have it. I have another question regarding an
environmental study. And if you have your phones, you want to Google it, please feel free to do so. Nowadays, environmental impact studies should include assessment of the potential mental health impacts of a proposed PO
project. Why? Because environmental changes can significantly affect people's mental wellbeing. Ma'am, do do you have you have a crossexamination? Yeah. Is that being done for all the projects? I'm going to direct you to who put the
package together. Uh the requirement to provide an environmental impact statement is for floor space proposed over 20,000 square feet. So this application is not required to provide an environmental impact statement. A formal uh report of what like what
you're describing. Okay. That's not in here. And it has to be above what? 20,000 square feet per the ordinance. 20,000 square feet. Okay. So do we have any buildings being built over 20,000 fair where that's being done? Not on this property. Not at this
property, but it is being done for other ones. Yes. I I don't know. I mean, not in front of us right now. We can We're only discussing what's in front of us. No, I understand that. Like I said, I I I read something. I Googled it up. It said that that's what
it said. So, I was going to ask about it, but it's only partial. You're only getting part of the issue. There is there is something beyond that. And there's a square foot requirement. Well, I appreciate you uh tutoring me. I do. I admitted I I don't go to these meetings,
so I'm probably a little bit lacking in everything I need to know. Watch us on Zoom. So, thank you. I appreciate that. All right. Thank you, ma'am. Wait a minute. She's Okay, we're gonna and then that'll be it. Get it.
Okay. But just no second dips at the apple anymore, right guys? We can get it. All right. So, hi. Um, when is the construction going to start? U, we just need to identify. Oh, hope true. Do I have a court? I was here already. We just need it because it's being recorded. So, I need to make sure.
I thought I said it. Didn't I say hope true? You did. I heard you. Um, thank you. Again, there's a process to get all the resolution compliance and outside agency approval. So it's hard to say but typically takes 6 to 12 months to get
those approvals in place. Okay. So as are we going to allow it to continue to operate at the level intensity that it is now until the construction starts? This board has no power to give that right to use it at all. You got you got to take it up with the zoning officer. Okay. Just just so you can one of the
applications one of the agendas I did read after um here read you guys gave permission to continue operating into site plan approval. I'm almost positive right now. That's not this board. It wasn't in your agenda. No, ma'am. Okay. We can't do that. So,
let me understand this then. So, you're gonna Does Jeff Paporo once again has to enforce this whether decide whether we're going to let it operate? Let me put it construction. So, what's what happens is that if in order to operate a site, you have to have a couple of things. You have to have uh planning board approval.
You have to have a resolution adopted. Yeah. um you have to be signed off on on the full resolution compliance which uh from the board engineer which usually takes about a year and a half to two years, sometimes even longer, right? Uh once that happens, you then take your resolution compliance, you bring it to
the zoning officer um and you uh seek what's called the zoning permit, which gives you the right to then basically say, "Okay, I have this use, but I now need to build it." Right? And then you take the zoning permit, you bring it to the building department, and then you seek building permits to be able to
actually build the site. But you can't even get to the building department without the zoning permit. Right. Right. So when you go to the building department, you have to get, you know, electrical, plumbing, building, whole nine yards. Right. Um after that, you then actually have to get multiple layers after that because
you only get the CO after your building permits are totally taken care of. So, go zoning permit, um you know, uh building permits and all the all those construction permits. Uh then you get the CO and then from the CO you have to get um you go to the township engineer to make sure everything is totally
compliant. You get all your uh escros back and and bonding back and stuff like that. So, it's a long process, right? It's legitimately a 3 to four year process. It takes a long time for this. So, that's another um effect on the quality of life of the residents in that neighborhood. They have already been dealing with it since 2018.
It has been a pattern that this has been allowed to continue all well you know you bring up the other application I get it I get it but it is for this right now but if you're saying if you're saying we're going to allow Is there going to be protections for these people in this neighborhood? What what I'm saying to you is that if
if you're saying that they're operating without a zoning permit then somebody from code enforcement needs to walk down there Yeah. tomorrow and put like a cease, you know, order, cease operation order or something to that effect, you know, but
but that's that's not in our hands. We have no party to do that. It's great that we can get it on record that is out there that this since 2018 and asking when construction's going to start. It matters. It matters because the operation has been out ongoing. The quality of life in that neighborhood has
been affected. So, I want to know when it's going to start. It's a long process. So, we don't have a date, but the interim, we need to address what's happening. I I get the question, but the problem is is that it's so open-ended that you're asking for something that may happen like four years from now, which is insane. I get it.
But that's just the process. I mean, listen, I know 146 is been 10 years. And if you go to Texas, you can walk into a building and just get plans rubber stamped and you can operate like within six months, you know. I know. I have the list. It's a whole different world. You know, all these have been approved and not one of them have started their site plan and
they're still operating without it. Then you got to walk it down the code. We got to do a lot with code. No zoning. Either one. [Music] Hi. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm, tell the truth, the
whole truth, nothing but the truth? Yes. All right. Please state your name and spell your last of the record. It's Joselyn Salias. S A L A I S. And I'm at 17 Adelfi Drive. Now, I've never been to one of these meetings. Obviously, this directly impacts my neighborhood. Um, I have no issues with
my neighbors. So, I'm just going to state that I have teenage I have a teenage driver. I'm driving on a Friday night. If you're coming in, it is very difficult to see currently with the amount of cars that are lined on the street. And I'm concerned with the
amount of people walking and and the cars being there that you can't directly see sometimes. and I have a teenage driver. So, of course, I'm concerned. With that being said, um the exit on Adelfi is on a curve and I don't live
far from that down from there, but it is a little difficult to see as you're coming up as well. And I'm more concerned about cars coming in and out of that exit, especially if it becomes pitched downhill in the way that the
area is now. And then the other exit on Lehi is kind of like a blind spot because it's at the top of a hill. So what I'm hearing tonight is a lot of um we're compliant with this, we're compliant with that. That's all wonderful in that aspect, but I'm also
looking for somebody to be a little neighborly. I'm going to ask. Okay. Um I'm also looking for someone to be a little neighborly as well because we are a community and we should all be trying to be neighborly together since you are putting this in a residential neighborhood. Um, have we thought about
moving the exit to the parking lot to possibly Princeton at the edge of the property where you can actually probably get in and out a little bit better and see more? M ma'am, the uh u Mr. Kennel who can come
forward and use the microphone has already explained exactly why I missed half the meeting because I was working. So, I'm sorry if I'm asking this again. I will again explain for you why those have to be in the spots they're in now because of sight lines.
Correct. And that's what I'm saying is that the sighteline is still rather dangerous is what I'm saying. I've been there for 18 years. So I'm glad that you drove through recently, but the sighteline is still rather dangerous. So what I'm asking is that on Princeton, have we considered is it possible to
move the exit or the entrance to Princeton Avenue versus Adelfi because Adelfi is a current? We heard you. We heard you. Go ahead. Thanks. Again, your request to have access to Princeton Drive would require acquisition of another property to the east of this property. We don't have
frontage on Princeton Drive. We only have frontage on Lehi Boulevard and Adelfi. And as what I testified earlier, we've located those driveways as far from the intersection of Lehi and Adelfi to optimize sight lines and
provide the greatest distance we can from the turning movements taking place at the u unsalized intersection. So from my perspective, I've been doing this almost 40 years. This is the the the location of the driveways is the uh best
suited for the site as well as the motoring public on Adelfi and Lehi uh to account for not only we call the vertical profile which is on Lehi where we have the the hill slight hill we're closer to to the peak of that crest of
that hill and then as far as Adelfi there is the horizontal curve going towards Lehi and as we stated stated earlier, uh, we're going to prohibit parking on the site frontage so you have a clear sight line to the intersection
and you don't have parked cars obstructing the view of of vehicles trying to enter or exit the site. Okay. Because like I said, well, you're saying you don't have frontage. We don't have parking along our frontage on Right. So, if you're acquiring that other lot on Adelfi, you still can't I
mean on Princeton, you still can't use any of that. Well, we're not that's not part of this application. This application is not considered a lot. That's That's why I'm asking if somebody would consider if you're coming into a residential neighborhood to just be a little neighborly and like work together
with the residents so that we don't have to worry about our children. Thanks. Please raise your right hand. Yes, sir. Do you swear? Affirm, tell the truth, the whole truth, not by the truth. As best I can. Okay, that's Eric Jones, 722 Heisen Road. J O N S.
Um I think it's for Eric perhaps. Um the site plan I just said. Um I'm looking on Google Earth and on um we have both of your driveways, both the neighbors have fences right up to the edge of the sidewalk. What about people walking on the
sidewalk and cars coming out and then getting run over? You know what I'm saying? If you look at you're right up to the property line, but if you look on Google Earth, the people on this side have a 6ft vinyl fence up to the sidewalk.
The other side, they have a chainlink fence with arborites. They may have a variance. Um, I'm not sure. But you have to deal with that when you think about the driveways. people coming in and out. How you going to see your the hood of your car will be halfway on the sidewalk before you can see?
You know what I'm saying? Somebody's walking on the sidewalk, a bicycleer or whatever, and they're coming down and all of a sudden out from behind the fence comes some kid on a bicycle. Are you talking about on the other properties? It's on both driveways. If you look at
if you look at Google or if you look at both driveways, the applicant has the ability to uh restrict plantings and um anything that would Yeah, but you're talking I'm talking the neighbors the neighbors already have established fences and bushes maybe up to the up to the sidewalk.
So they must have got variances in the past. They they must have. I mean I'm something that's something you guys should think about when you're putting your exit here or your entrance here because somebody could on a bike stroller whatever some kid chasing after a ball
anything. Yeah, that's all. Just I just wanted to point that out. That's all. And um there's a habit around here to uh clear cut. I noticed on also on Google Earth there's very nice older trees on this property. Um, it doesn't seem like
they're going to be anywhere in the footprint of the building. They're more towards the street because I'm assuming they were planted when the house was built. The Are you going to keep all that? They're the the tree forester indicated we will be uh attempting we will be keeping
they're beautiful trees out some the tree forester refers to keeping existing trees that are not within the footprint. They're going to walk the site with her and try to identify trees that could be saved. If they're going to do that to us, you know, older growth, everybody's
concerned about fences and stuff and trees and 20 feet tall and there are certain trees that are indicated to be kept. And the the other question I had was u probably just a general question. Um probably not for Eric here, but we're not in the general question. It has to do it has it has to do with
this as far as um change of use. Is this the board that does change of use? No, sir. That's all. I just wanted to know if they did change of use already. Yep. That's zoning. How can how can you approve or plan something if you That is correct. It would be a D1 variance. That is correct. Yeah.
Seeing no one else come forward, I move to close cross-examination of this uh these witnesses. Second. Second. Bernstein. All in favor? I I I'd like to make a motion to open public comment on this application. This
application only. Sullivan. Second. Bernstein. All in favor? I I The floor is open. All right, we're going to do a five minute. No, mine is is going to be probably 30 seconds.
No, I'm just I'm just saying this in general just to it as a general because it's already 9:30. So, Eleanor Hannah, there you go. Seven Evergreen Court. Um I just would like to make a statement something that I have noticed. Um, if I am not here at
a meeting, I am watching at home and I find it very discerning that we have a chairperson who actually leads and testifies on behalf of the developer or the applicant. That is very concerning.
Miss Hannah, I'm going to I'm just going to This is not the first time. I'm I'm just going to say that that's the thumbs up, the wink wink, the nod nod over the years. Miss Campbell does an excellent job. It's a hard job. It's not easy. It's very combative and very degrading
to some of the people that come up here to not an easy job and I'm sorry you don't talk down to people when they're trying to understand and it is their home. You don't live there. Mal [Applause]
politics. Yes. Please raise your right hand. People running for office. Do you swear affirm? Tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Yes, sir. It's public comment, right? What's that? It's public comment. Yeah. Okay. All right. Please state your name and spell your last of the record.
Chris Pollock, Jackson, New Jersey. Yeah. And your address? My address? Yeah. Do I need to tell my address for public comment? Sure. 755 Brewers Bridge Road. Thank you. All right. Uh, sorry, no suit today, guys. Uh, got me in my workclo. Um, but
really, who wants a parking lot right next to your residential home? Let's be real. I understand there's there's stuff you can do, you can't do. But, you know, I'd like to speak for the average Jackson resident. We don't want parking lots in our residential neighborhoods. Imagine working your butt off to own a home and raise a family and boom, they
dump this right next to you. No one cares what it's for. We care about our neighborhood. We care about the safety of our children. We care about the traffic. We care about our quality of life. Jackson leadership doesn't fight for the residents that they're supposed to represent.
Government isn't working for us. Not in Washington, Trenton. Most certainly not here in Jackson. We're all fed up. We need leadership that's willing to fight for us, and we're going to keep fighting back. How you doing? Please raise your right hand. Do you swear, affirm, tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the
truth? I do. All right. Please state your name, spell your last on the record. Janet WA W Y K A 3 Yale Court This will be directly in front of my house. Um
this it's just a disgusting monstrosity that it's going to be built there. I don't understand how it is not considered a commercial use. It is housing over three, 400, even 500 people in this building. And that's not a
commercial use. This is a residential neighborhood. I bought this house as a single mom for my kids to raise my children. My sister moved in with me with her two ch children and it is now being destroyed
by a commercial property. You guys can call it whatever you want. house of worship. It is in a residential neighborhood. It is not a residential use. It is a commercial use. And it's just it's disgusting. Thank you so much.
Yeah. That's all I have to say. Sorry. I just want to reiterate to everybody this is a residential zone with a residential use. It's a permitted use in the zone. I know we keep on characterizing it in the public as that
of commercial, but it's not. It's residential. It's the way that the ordinance is written. It's the way that it is on the books in the municipal land use ordinances for the township. Um, and it's residential. Okay. So, what?
Pope Drew to Iowa court. Do you swear? I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Yes. All right. Okay. I do want to make it clear for the record a permitted and conforming use which is the application I know a lot of people behind are just trying to learn
and people need to be kind and patient. Um a permitted and conforming use does not mean you are forced to approve it. I know that's what you're told but you do not have to. Um your obligation under New Jersey law is to look beyond the label. The applicant must meet all
neutral zone standards. traffic safety, parking, buffering, noise, drainage, neighborhood character. If they don't, you can deny. Now, we can we can admit that this is not in any way looking residential. I mean, that is does not at
all look residential. You're going to have a parking lot. Nowhere in this planet is a parking lot residential. Okay? It's just going to change the character of the neighborhood. It's going to increase the character um the quality of life for those who do not
benefit from it and that's not being considered here at all. I feel like when you when I come up here like Joe I don't know why your job is to be neutral. I say commercial and you think you need to teach us all what commercial you know how to ask them if they're going to sell
goods out of their house. How old are you? That's ridiculous. Just don't ever do it to me again and be connissant and try to embarrass me. That was ridiculous, M. Drew. All right, he's going to try to embarrass tax on the board members, please. We'll bring it up on mine. All done. Okay. So, another thing,
you're not to be rubber stamping. And since these ordinance have been passed, the seven of them that gone before in this board, you literally have rubber stamped. You have washed your hands away from here. This is what you can do. And you literally do not care that they're not doing anything that you're giving
them approval for. Nothing. Name and address. I'll tell you none of them 780 came before you spending our time, our taxes, your time, our time sitting here detailing the parking lots, the handicap this that and the other thing. They get their application, you walk away, they rip it up and say boom, going to do what
we want because that's exactly what's happening. Every single application that's come before this board are still right now proof you could drive by. I'll give you the addresses. They're doing exactly what they're doing when they were caught doing it illegally. We got we got to keep it to this application forced. Okay. Where do we
have the confidence and the belief that this applicant is going to abide by what you're going to give them approval to do? Where is that? I believe you were the lawyer for one of the other applicants sat here and said the same thing. Where is the comp where is the confidence that we're supposed to have
that we're supposed to neutally agree to you? Excuse me. Can I respond to you? Yeah, I would love that. Also, and I share your concerns. Mhm. Uh I will say one thing though is the form of government that the uh
municipalities of New Jersey have does not want three people in the back room making decisions, right? So they split up the responsibilities. Mhm. It starts with the council, right? who makes the laws and then you
go to your in this case the zoning who's making the zoning and what's included in the zone what is a permitted use right okay and that goes back to the council the council votes and you now have a standard the planning board is here to
verify that whatever is in those ordinances are complied with we can't determine if this is commercial house of worship uh recreation area
once zoning says well this applicant gets to bypass zoning because that's why those ordinances were deliberately created that way they were deliberately created that way they're targeted zoning so the R9 and R15 are the only zones in the entire town that have permitted use on a
residential street I'm just I mean he wants to school me on I'm just going to help him out I'm just telling how it works. I get it. Stop. Please stop taking it personal. How could you not? This is He's just He's just trying to help. Exhausting. He's just trying to help. Right. And I could be very wrong and I agree
with you. No. And I appreciate it. Okay. But zoning accepts the zone, right? The applicant goes and says, "I'm going to apply under zone 9 ordinance." I forgot the right terminator because
you got me confused. Okay. But when it gets here, Mhm. we can't decide if that's the right zoning. We're only here to verify that the experts
testimony is uh conducted in a fair uh way. It's not biased. right? Or it's not off base. We are not a a an enforcement agency.
So when there's a problem afterwards, it's got to be the police or code enforcement. It can't be us. We can't Right. But you do play a role because it's like anything if you tell We've been told for years, just so you know, also that when there's been other people that
have come up here and they've asked the lawyers here and they say, "Well, what if they now add more people?" What? Oh, well, they have to come before the board and have to get special permission. Isn't that the same thing if they're not abiding by the the approval? Doesn't it have to come back here and say, "Hey, listen. 146 South View Prospect site
plan was 20 parking spots. There's 80 cars. Who you know?" Everyone's passing the buck, but they lied to you when they stood up here and swore they swore it was going to only be 20 parking spots when there's 80 parking spots. We're talking about a different
application. No, I understand. No, it's what I'm trying. I get it. I get it. I get it. I'm just asking. I'm now I guess we'll go back to the drawing board. You're supposed to be neutral. You're supposed to be neutral. There's supposed to be equality,
neutrality in the laws. If you think this applicant is meeting all of those standards, if you think this is protecting the characteristic of the neighborhood when this building looks like it does and has a parking lot, you're supposed to also remember the
residents who don't benefit from it, but will be harmed from it. And I just feel like there's a big miss here. And I know the law says it's conforming, it's permitted, but you do and you can have look at the other circumstances if you feel that's not being met. And this is
the first time that this type of application is going before this board ever. Every town is watching. You have to have a responsibility in protecting everyone that's involved. You can't go home and say that it's right that you know that a parking lot's next door to a
family's home. That's not normal. That's not right. I think you should get interpretation what all these things mean. I think there should be some other level of it being defined. I want to look up at my land use laws and say, "Oh, I know what a house of worship is. I know what this is. I know the intensity of use for all of these
things." And this is not happening. And yes, it does happen at your level. Ordinances need to be made. Loopholes need to be closed. Mr. What I'm going to do then, I'm going to direct you to go to zoning, get an interpretation application,
okay? look at it, study, and and make a decision as to what you want to do with it because that is you keep on going down the rabbit hole of of an interpretation and it is a rabbit hole. Trust me, I I do it all the time in my private practice, right? Okay.
Um but but that's you can't we can't have discussions about interpretations here because it's the wrong board to do it at. We don't have the planning board doesn't have the jurisdiction to have an interpretation hearing. Okay? Right. Only the zoning board does.
All right, I think that was about it. That was it. Thank you. Have a good night. [Applause] All right. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm, tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? I do. All right. Please state your name and spell your last for the record. Anthony
Hodes H O D G-S I'm at Ford Adelfi Drive directly across street from the proposed school and uh I just wanted to make a couple observations. Sir, could you just lift up your microphone a little? It's being recorded. Thank you. All right. Yeah. It just seems to me
that I I maybe I'm just slow, but this is a nice building that's being proposed. Why not just build it on a West County line or or somewhere down on a Bennis Mill Road? That would solve
everybody's problem instead of forcing it on the residents of Brookwood 3, which apparently we don't want. We don't have any problem with people worshiping. I'm a retired pastor. I believe in worship. I I go down uh uh
county line um I'm sorry uh the Jackson Baptist Church down on a business mill road off to the side. We're not bothering anybody. We worship, have a good time, go home and we're not imposing on anyone. I don't understand
why we have to uh have this. Now again, I'm at for Deli right across the street on Adelfi. I've been there for 35 years. I used to look out my window and it was beautiful green hills. Now it's all tore
up. Grass is all tore up. The kids were even breaking up the sidewalk. I don't know what that was about. Every week that I cut my grass, a day later, garbage all over the yard from uh cups and potato
chip bags and whatever the kids have. Uh garbage is on the street all the time. The um garbage is overfilled. They can't even close the top of the garbage cans. Squirrels are jumping in and out of the
garbage. And as the lady said, it's just a matter of time before we got rats in our community. I just don't get it. Uh what else do we have to say? And I even heard these guys say something about there's not going to be any overnight
uh people uh spending the night. Do y'all realize for the last three years they've been spending from Friday night, beginning of Sabbath until Sunday morning, those cars don't move. And a lot of times they're in front of my house. I had to put my
garbage can in front of the house to keep them from parking on my grass. I've actually asked them to move their cars. They'll tell me we can't move our cars because it's the Sabbath. I respect that. That's, you know, I follow the
Sabbath, too, but um maybe not as as as much. But um that's the the reality of things. You know, we I I hear all of these promises being made about what they're going to do and they're not going to park on the side of the
residence. They do it. It'll be 50 or 60 cars out there. And a lot of the people, they're running trying to beat the Sabbath and they'll park all anywhere, jump out the car and run. And we got to look at their cars parked on our property all weekend. That's the
reality. I I wish that you all would listen to these residents cuz they're the ones that's got to live through this stuff and I probably get the worst of it cuz I'm right ac smack dab in the center across the street from it. So, I'm not really aware of what this committee can
do. I sure wish you all would consider, you know, the the consequences of what's going on in our neighborhood. We don't have anything against our our Jewish brothers and sisters. None of us are anti-semite. We just want our neighborhood intact. Thank you.
[Applause] Seeing no one else come forward, I move to close the public portion of the testimony on this application only. Second, Bernstein. All in favor? I
due to the lateness of the hour, I'm going to be very brief. There are a lot of statements made that um about the law that are inaccurate, but I'm not going to get into them in any detail other than to state that the laws clearly states that the board only can vote on an application and and apply the
ordinances that are in place. And um we've provided a plan that fully complies with the ordinances except for the variances we talked about that were really board driven like the signage. Um otherwise, it's fully conforming. the board's compelled to vote yes when it's
a fully con conforming application. And finally, as it relates to the traffic, again, our our obligation is only to demonstrate that the site circulation works and that the driveways operate safely and efficiently, and we've clearly demonstrated that. So, for those reasons, and the fact that we've
stipulated to address all of the professional comments and the comments from both the fire and police, we'd request that the board vote favorably on the application. Comments from the board, comments from our professionals.
Let me just uh I want to set the stage with the vote real quick. So, um we'll take it back to the basics when it comes down to what this board's got to do. So whenever we look at an application, we look at whether there's variance relief, whether there's waiver relief, and whether they've comported
with the tenants of the ordinance, right, which is what you we call quote unquote conforming. So in this situation, uh it's permitted use in the zone. Uh it's residential. Um it is there's no variances. There's no waiverss, meaning that the legal tests
that we ordinarily, you know, have to put on record, whether it be a weighing test or substantion substantial reasoning test, any of those legal tests, we don't have them in front of us tonight. Um, they are fully compliant with every aspect of the ordinance.
They're fully conforming. Um, in the municipal land use law, they call this an approval as a matter of right. Now the board um has the ability of rendering any determination they want but just to reiterate there are no
variances there are no waiverss and is fully conforming with every tenant uh that is in the ordinance itself which I think there are 13 um and I'll leave up to the board to render a determination. We'll look for a
motion. I'd like to make a motion to approve uh this application with the stipulation of having uh numbers on uh the building for identification purp uh purposes for safety. Um let me be let me say
something just in general. I think uh that whatever existing circumstances are there, I would hope that the people that
are creating those circumstances would look to have better relations with their neighbors and to be mindful that not everyone uh practices as they do and that they should do to the best of their abil
ability to mitigate uh circumstances that that inconvenience their neighbors. And with that, I move to approve. Look for a second. Second. Bernstein. Have a roll call vote, please.
Mr. Bernstein, yes. Mr. Heler, yes. Mr. Rogers. Understanding the resident's concerns but obligated to vote according to the law, I vote yes. Mr. Dreamer,
while this application is conforming, you guys did a very nice job with all the preparations. There's a couple issues with the whole to me. I may be wrong, but I'm going to
vote no. Not that my one vote is really going to make a difference, but I just feel that this is a detriment to the neighborhood. I feel for the people. Um, could have been a little bit smaller
building, but I'm an elf. Sorry, Mr. Weard. Mr. Sullivan. Yes, Dr. Campbell. I have a great deal of empathy for the community, for the neighborhood I lived
in for many years. But I also understand that I have made a commitment to follow the rules, the ordinances, the laws of the township, the laws of the state. I have taken a oath to uphold those rules
and I will vote yes. Thank you. That's 52 approval. Thank you. Motion to close. Motion to close. Second. Second, Sullivan. All in favor?