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All right, everybody. Welcome to the Jackson Township Planning Board meeting of October 20th, 2025. The year is almost over. That went very, very quick. Uh, this meeting has been properly noticed according to the OPMA in all the
appropriate places and forums. And with that, I will leave it off to Madame Chairwoman. >> We'll have an attendance. Roll call, please. Mr. Brezie >> here. >> Mr. Marzo >> here. >> Mr. Heler. >> Mr. Rogers >> here.
>> Mr. Tremor >> here. >> Miss Rose >> here. >> Mr. Weart >> here. >> Mr. Sullivan >> here. >> Dr. Camp >> here. >> Payment voucher recording secretary motion please. >> So moved. Sullivan.
>> Second. Breie. >> Roll call, please. >> Mr. Brezie, >> yes. >> Mr. Marzo, >> yes. >> Mr. Rogers, >> yes. >> Mr. Tremor, >> yes. >> Miss Rose, >> yes. >> Mr. Weart, >> yes. >> Mr. Sullivan, >> yes. >> Dr. Kim,
>> yes. Approval of the minutes for September 8th regular meeting. We need a motion, please. >> So move. Sullivan. >> Second, Rogers. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Rogers, >> yes.
>> Mr. Tremer, >> yes. >> Miss Rose, >> yes. >> Mr. Sullivan, >> yes. >> And Dr. Campbell, >> yes. >> We have a resolution. Resolution. Resolution 2025-25
of the planning board of the township of Jack of the Township of Jackson, County of Ocean, State of New Jersey, granting preliminary and final major site plan approval for a two-story house of worship for Congregation Brookwood, Inc. block 7702,
lot 17. Eligible to vote are Mr. Rogers, Mr. Sullivan, and Dr. Campbell. We need a motion, please. >> So move Sullivan. >> Only one person going to can second. >> There are only three of us.
>> Okay. Mr. Rogers. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sullivan. >> Yes. >> Dr. Campbell. >> Yes. And I want to congratulate our attorney. We are now 100% up to date with resolutions. >> Very well done.
We have some changes to the schedule. Application block 4404 lot 1 and three for Applegate owner LLC is carried to November 17th, 2025 with no further
notice required. We'll vote on that. I'll make a I'll make a motion to approve the moving of block 4404 lots 1 and three Applegate Owner LLC to November 17th 2025 Sullivan >> second breie
>> Mr. Brezie >> yes >> Mr. Marzo >> yes >> Mr. Rogers >> yes >> Mr. Tremor >> yes >> Miss Rose >> yes >> Mr. Weart >> yes >> Mr. Sullivan >> yes >> Dr. Campbell. >> Yes. Application for block 3902,
lot 58 for Belleview Estates LLC is withdrawn for the applicant's request. I don't think we need to vote on that. We'll just say all in favor. >> Yes. >> I >> Okay. Uh board matters for discussion.
>> None at this time. >> Ordinance to that ordinance. >> I think that's on the next meeting. >> Oh, we moved it. It was here. >> It's ordinance 2025-35. >> It was Yeah, we all received it.
>> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Here it is. >> Here it is. >> Madam Chair. >> Yes, sir. >> If I might, the >> appreciate it. The governing body is um introduced on first reading ordinance
202530-35, an ordinance amending chapter 244, which is our land use ordinance, and it's been referred to the planning board for um for comment. >> This one is fairly straightforward.
This board just proposed new land use regulations for the municipality as part of their master plan amendment. um and the governing body took action on those recommendations. Now statutoily they still need to refer it back to the board for a finding of
consistency from the board. So individual board members who may not have been familiar with master plan amendments that this board undertook the last two years be happy to answer some questions regarding it. But otherwise,
this falls straight out of the master plan amendment that this board approved a few months back. >> And this is relating to the affordable housing requirements. Correct. >> Correct. Any questions from the board?
We'll take a motion. >> We'll make a motion to approve. >> Second, Sullivan. >> We'll vote on that. Please, >> just to be clear, it's it's a motion to determine that it's not inconsistent with >> inconsistent.
>> Okay. Okay. Mr. Marzo, >> yes. >> Mr. Rogers, >> yes. >> Mr. Tremor, >> yes. >> Miss Rose, >> yes. >> Mr. Weart, >> yes. >> Mr. Sullivan, >> as it is not inconsistent with the master plan. Yes. >> Dr. Campbell.
>> Yes. >> All right. Let's see. Um any engineering matters, any planning matters? >> Okay. All righty. Um and uh we'll move
to our application. >> Oh, you know what? U Madam Chair, there's uh one legal issue. Um, just to make sure the board is aware, I have the appellet argument on bias Yakov along with Mrs. Jennings on the 20
>> miss >> Miss Jennings >> on the 29th of this month and and I will >> well typically there's a written opinion that happens once it gets to the appel division. So I'll keep the board in the loop as to any determination that's made. >> Thank you.
Okay, move ahead. >> Yep. >> Good evening. For the record, I'm Donna Jennings from the law firm of Wend Goldman and Spitzer on behalf of the applicant. As the board is aware, the applicant is here this evening seeking preliminary and final major site plan approval to construct a three-story
professional office building on property located at 1154 East Veterans Highway, identified as block 21301, lot 12 on the township's tax maps. The property is approximately 1.68 acres, located in the highway commercial zone,
and is currently improved with a one-story dentist office building. The new proposed office building will be comprised of medical dental offices and other general office uses. Ordinance section 244-57A provides that professional office is a
permitted use in the HC zone. Professional office is further defined of the ordinance as quote the office of a member of a recognized profession which shall include but is not limited to the office of doctors or physicians, dentists, insurance agents, optometrists, architects, landscaped
architects, professional engineers, land surveyors, professional planners, lawyers, attorneys, you use the word twice, accountants, and real estate brokers. Close quote. Thus, medical and dental offices are encompassed within the definition of professional office and the proposed use is permitted and we
are properly before this board. Similarly, business and commercial offices are also permitted as will be discussed more thoroughly by the applicant site engineer. The proposed professional office building will be comprised of approximately 41,000 square ft across three floors. Parking will be
provided via surface level parking area as well as a subsurface parking garage. Notably, the applicant proposes a total of 184 parking spaces, 20 of which will be EV made ready. Therefore, the ordinance is parking requirement is met and no relief is required with respect
to same. The applicant is seeking one bulk variance from ordinance section 244-57D with respect to the minimum number of part no with respect to the minimum parking area setback from a residential use whereas 20 ft is required and the applicant's proposing 10 ft on one side
as will be discussed by the applicant's planner the record will show that the applicant satisfies both the positive and negative criteria for the granting of the new variance. In addition, there are several design waiverss that the applicant is seeking which will be more thoroughly discussed by the site engineer and the planner. In support of
the application, we will be calling the following witnesses this evening. Yehuda Back, the site engineer, L. Delmare Rosado, the architect, John Ray, our traffic engineer, and Andrew Janu, our professional planner. As a matter of recordkeeping, the applicant is in
receipt of the following review letters from the board's professionals. Uh the fire department's review letter dated June 12th, 2025. Traffic safety unit review letter dated July 29th, 2025. Board engineers review letter dated October 7, 2025. And board planners
review later dated October 14th, 2025. Uh with that, we could call up our first witness. And is very very bright up here. I don't know what you guys did with the lighting. They've changed the lighting. >> They've They've adjusted the lighting.
>> At least we can now see what we're looking at here. >> I can see the halo over your head. >> Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Please state your name and spell your last of the record. >> Yehuda back, licensed professional engineer in the
state of New Jersey. >> If you could keep your microphone up because this is being recorded. Thank you. >> We'll do. >> Thank you. And if you could just for the benefit of the board give your background and qualifications. >> Sure. So I started working with New Lands Engineering in 2017 which is also when I started college right here in
Ocean County. From there I transferred to NJIT in Newark. I graduated in August of 2021 with a bachelor's of science and civil engineering. Um after that I received my PE license in uh July of 2023 and since then have been testifying throughout New Jersey including in front
of this board. >> Welcome. We approve. Thank you. Thank you so much. Okay. So, for the benefit of the board, just confirm that your office prepared the plans, the site plans. >> Yes, they're prepared under my direction. >> And if you're going to describe the site and the rare area surrounding the site, and if you're going to rely on any exhibits, can we please mark them and
identify them for the record? >> Yes. So, we have a few exhibits. Exhibit A1 is an aerial view. Exhibit A2 is our drainage plan. Exhibit A3 is a color rendering of the site. Exhibit A4 are the architectural plans. Exhibit A5 is a
layout sheet of our plans. Exhibit A6 is the cover sheet of our plans. Exhibit A7 is an architectural exhibit. And exhibit A8 is the planners aerial exhibit. >> Okay. And they're all previously submitted to the township. So they'll be up on the board when we get to them.
>> After the hearing, you just email me that list and then we can >> You got it. Not a problem. All right. Why don't you start with describing the site and the surrounding area and just if when you're relying on the exhibit just tell us which one we're looking at. >> Okay. So, the property is located at 1154 East Veterans Highway identified as
block 21 301 lot 12 contains approximately 1.68 acres. We are located in the highway commercial or HC zone and current the site is currently improved with one-story dentist's office. Um Anthony, can you please pull up exhibit
A1? That's our aerial. Oh, we got it. >> He's ahead of you. >> He's He beat me to it. Okay. >> Beat you to it >> on on this exhibit. North is directly up. The site itself is marked in black. You can see it. The surrounding areas. To the north, we have uh its commercial
use. We have the Liberty Common Shopping Center or Isisle 9 Supermarket. Um further north, we have a few residential homes. And in addition to Jackson Liberty High School, on the top right or northeast side of this exhibit, you can
see uh I believe it's Pride Parkway that leads to the school. To the south of us, we have some commercial uses. Uh Jackson crossing their well really their basin is south of us. Um we have some residential further to the south in
addition to the McAuliff Middle School. Directly to the east of our site, we have two residential lots. One of them I'm trying to circle is just up here and the other one is along the rest of our our site. To the west of us, there's a a small
strip that contains a paint store and a pizza shop amongst other things. Uh and that's the surrounding areas. Um, our proposal is we are seeking approval for preliminary and fi final major site plan approval to construct a
three-story 40,670 ft professional office building. The building footprint itself is is small. It's 3,652 square ft whereas the second and third floor are approximately 18,000 square ft
each. Um the reason for this is the first floor is at grade level is mostly parking. You have a small lobby kind of in the center of the building. Surrounding it on the great at grade is parking. And then the second and third
stories are the offices. Um for parking as as I just mentioned we we do have a combination of surface parking with a subsurface parking structure. So I spoke about what's atgrade that's the first floor is a lobby and some uh surface
parking second floor is office space third story is office space and then subsurface we have a parking garage um an you know what can you please pull up exhibit A5 that's our layout sheet so the the big the big part of the
exhibit Again, north is up over here. Along the top is East Veterans Highway. This is our site. And then this small uh Boxton area is the subsurface parking structure. So here on our site, you're looking at the ACT grade portion of the
building. This box area is the lobby. And then you'll have what's called under the building, but not subsurface. It's at grade parking. over here towards the rear, you have a a driveway that's going down to the subsurface parking. And once
you're down there, it looks like this. We have a bunch of parking down here. And then there's just uh stairs at the subsurface level. And the architect will speak more towards that. Um for parking, we we have a total of 184
physical spaces are proposed. 130 of those are provided at grade level. Uh 54 of them are provided in the subsurface garage. So 203 spaces are required starting once we have the EV credit. Now we're required to have 183.
We're providing 184. So one extra space provided. Um the building's operations building will accommodate both medical and general professional office uses. The existing dental office use will remain and there will be two uh
additional unassociated dental or medical practitioners. The hours of operation are normal business hours Monday through Friday. Uh though tenants will be permitted to have 24-hour secure access to the building. The the number of employees present in
the building will vary according to the various needs of the prospective tenants. Property maintenance, including landscaping and snow removal, will be provided by an outside vendor. Deliveries will consist of primarily UPS style shipments for packaging and other
supplies. Um, I could point out the the loading area for those truck staging areas, the stripe portion of the parking lot. Um, trash will be picked up on an as needed basis. Any medical waste will be disposed of in accordance with state
law. Um, as was mentioned, we are seeking one variance with this application and that's from minimum parking area setback from a residential use. 20 ft is required whereas 10 is proposed and I'll point that out on this exhibit.
As we said, this is one residential lot on the right side, northeast side of our site. And then this is another one. We would be required 20 ft separation to these parking spaces. And we're proposing 10. that is the sole variance requested with this application. There
are some design waiverss. Um all of them are pretty much for the the design of the parking lot. Um number one, parking areas must have at least three contiguous parking stalls. Whereas we have a few areas that have uh less than three at the surface level. We have one
area up on the northeast corner of of the parking lot. We have two spaces and then some striping and then the rest of the spaces. they're not really in line. So, we are requesting the design waiver for this. Uh, you really need three spaces in a row. We have two. Um, and
then the subsurface garage. I don't know if we can I don't know if we can see it on this, but I'll try to point it out. We have one space here, one isolated space, one more isolated space there, and then two two spaces there. And at on the subsurface garage, that's a function
of uh the location of the columns that are holding up the building. So where you have space, you put a parking space and if there's a column, you don't put a parking space. Uh additional design waiver we are proposing, we are requesting is entrance driveways shall extend 100 ft from the street rightway
or parking access aisle or major circulation drive. Whereas about 50 ft is proposed on this entrance driveway. That's this this throat portion would need to be 100 for the entrance and we're proposing about 50 and similarly
as an as an exit would need to to be 60 ft long whereas for us it's about 45. Um in addition no parking aisle is supposed to uh utilize entrance or exit drives whereas our entrance and exit drive goes all the way
down and we are utilizing it for parking. And lastly, uh, landscape parking island width 10 feet is required whereas whereas in this parking island in the rear of the site, there's two locations where it's less than less than 10 ft wide.
Um, there was some changes that we made to the plan, minor changes. Originally, we had designed it with the driveway on the east uh along east veterans. We designed it on the east side of the site, the driveway right in this location. Um, after consultation with
the Ocean County Engineering and the Township Traffic Safety Unit, we moved it to the west so that as not to interfere with the driveway across the street and any turning into either driveway. those plans. >> Um, and another change we made was there
are some dead deadend parking areas uh really on this surface parking lot and those areas will be used solely by employees so that they don't you don't have people pulling in and backing out of of a parking lot
um for grading. Anthony, can you please pull up exhibit A2? A2 is our drainage plan. Thank you. The site as is today uh slopes from East Veterans Highway southwards or from top
to bottom of the site north to south. Um and that's what we are proposing as well. And it has slopes of between 2% and 5% which is typical for utilities. There is public water fronting the site where a connection is proposed for sanitary sewer. There's a sanitary manel
in East Veterans Highway fronting the Jackson Crossing Shopping Center. That's to the west of us. Uh again, where a sanitary connection is proposed. With regard to drainage facilities, we are proposing two subsurface infiltration basins.
uh one for the rear of the site that's going to capture all the storm water from all the parking areas. And then the north of the north of the site, we're proposing one uh uh drainage system to capture the roof of the building. Both
of these systems are subsurface uh basins where there are pipes underneath the ground. You don't you wouldn't see them. Um pre-treatment is to be provided in the form of MTDs. Now the plans currently show the plans in front of you currently show a surface biobasin over
here on the towards the middle of the site on the east side that that biobasin the the township engineer brought up a concern that about its proximity to the subsurface parking structure. We are we are not proposing that anymore. In place
of that we will be uh proposing an MTD instead of that biobase. And so all we'd be left with is the two subsurface basins and above ground would be an MTD which from the ground looks like an inlet or a catch basin. >> I'm sorry, what is an MTD?
>> Manufactur treatment device. It provides pre-treatment for the storm water. Specifically, the storm water that lands on the parking lot. It captures oils and things like that. So the state regulation requires us to do pre-treatment before the the water goes into these subsurface uh drainage basins
just to treat it a little bit. Um an addition an additional change again based on my conversation with the township engineer um this subsurface infiltration basin is conflicting with the subsurface parking garage. So we will be moving it instead of along the
front over here it will be along this uh access aisle. So it's the same exact basin but instead of it being under the ground over here it would be under the ground over here. Um, for lighting, we will comply with the township ordinance and should shielding be necessary, it will be
provided. Um, with regard to landscaping replacement trees, >> excuse me, that won't be a question. It'll be provided. >> Okay, we'll do and just in regards to the uh the changes on the plan. Um, so let's make it a condition of approval
that that you'll make the changes, supply it to our experts so that they can review. >> Absolutely. Um yes, so shielding will be provided with regard to landscaping. Uh again, it's the site the specifically the rear
of the site is currently wooded. Um we are providing replacement trees as required by the ordinance. Additionally, Anthony, can you please pull up exhibit A3? This is a color rendering of the site. Thank you.
In addition to the replacement trees, we are providing uh a buffer of evergreen trees on the east side of the site along the entire east side of the site um between our uh commercial use and the residential uses on that side.
We did have an arborist perform a tree survey to identify the existing trees and determine the required number of replacement trees. In addition, as always, we will work with the township forester as I have in the past. Um, and lastly, with regard to landscaping, there are no foundation plantings
proposed because there is no space for those since uh the foundation small portion of the building over here is surrounded by parking. It's concrete or asphalt. Um, with regard to soil erosion and sediment control, it's a typical plan. We have a stabilized construction
entrance in the location of the future driveway and a soil stockpile in the rear um for cir site circulation. Currently the plans do not show a sidewalk along the frontage of East Veterans though we will be providing one. We will be putting in sidewalk. Uh
ADA accessibility is provided from the ADA parking spaces to the building on site. Uh the location of the enclosed refuge area will not interfere with circulation or with parking. There was some talk about a second point of access in addition to this one
driveway we have. There was some talk about adding a driveway. Um this is not necessary nor is it feasible without interfering with the access drive on the other side of the street with the Liberty Common Shopping Center. Um
lastly, New Lines has provided the board with an abbreviated environmental impact statement since the site does not contain any environmental constraints like wetlands, streams, etc. Um, other than that, I have gone through the board's professionals letters and we will comply with their comments.
>> I'm a little concerned about the um 10 ft and the the impact on the neighbors um not so much the commercial neighbors, but the residential neighbors. Is there an opportunity to uh perhaps put up some
fencing there to um lessen the impact of car lights? >> For sure. For sure. And we would we'd probably if if the neighbors are here and they would like a fence better than an evergreen offer, we' we'd do that and we could do both along.
>> Wouldn't we do both? >> You want to do both? >> Well, have trees and have fencing that blocks those lights, those car lights. That's a concern. >> Yeah, we can do that. >> That would be a condition then. >> Okay.
>> Any any other questions from the board? >> Uh yes, ma'am. >> Mr. Tremor. >> Uh so my first question is going to be what is your fire protection plan going to be for the sub uh sub garage? >> I I think it's a question for the architect, but I I believe there are sprinklers now. >> Okay. And as far as the envir environmental impact statement is the
only reason you're trying to submit a abbreviated EIS is because of the lack of impact you're saying. >> Correct. And if you go through it, it's it's pretty much a full >> I understand. I understand. I just um I just want to make sure that because it is over 20,000 square foot, right? >> Correct. >> So shouldn't there be a full because of
that? >> Yeah, this is standard. I mean if if if you go through you'll see it it goes through the full list and saying how there's nothing to be there's no environmental constraints anything on. I do know that there is a tributary on the on the south side of that section right there. So that's why I was just being a
little more specific towards that. That's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Mr. De Marza. >> Um I'm sorry. I don't I really don't understand the the location for the subsurface parking. Um I see it on the side and I'm I'm I apologize, but I'm
I'm kind of confused. I'm not seeing it here. >> No, no, you're good. I'll try to I'll try to point it out. Anthony, can we pull up? Let's pull up exhibit A5. I think that might be the clearest. >> It's on the right. >> Okay. So, right on where I'm pointing
right now, this is the act grade. What what you're what you look at at grade level. So, you have the building here. Then you have the parking and then the hatching denotes the fact that on top of this is a second story and a third story of office space. For the subsurface
parking, there's a line. It's It's hard to see it. It goes along here, kind of along there, and then comes down. It Anthony, you able to zoom in a little more or that's the limit? I think that's the limit. But it's
pointed out here as limit of subsurface parking structure. It's like a dashed line. Oh, there you go. So, that would be this this dash line that I'm trying to follow right now is the subsurface parking structure.
>> And so, it's an actual structure. I don't see it on the architectural. So, but is it a structural? >> Can you show us where the ramp? >> Sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. So when you enter, you'll enter the site from East Veterans. You'll come around
the building >> and here you have a ramp going down to the subsurface structure. And yes, it is a structure. >> Yeah, because I was at the the site, so I did did kind of go around it and I'm just trying to figure out exactly where
it would go. >> Correct. Okay. Thank you. >> Question. Um, >> Mr. Sullivan, >> where is the EV parking spaces going to be? >> So, we're showing them right now in the front of the site along the front here
in addition to a few more over here. >> Okay. >> Anyone else? Thank you. >> Yep. Well, we need them. That's I was waiting for anybody else.
>> Mr. Peters. >> Yeah. Right. Had to get dressed up to come. >> Just a couple going back to the um um to the underground parking garage. The people that are using that is just the tenants. >> Correct. >> Um I'll let the um the traffic testimony
um um come forth um before any made comments, you know, about that. It's a unique thing. I've never seen this before and I question the um accessibility of the same issues that the um I think the police department, you know, raised when somebody gets in
there. If they're a tenant, maybe that makes it a little bit better, but I think it's kind of like, you know, a difficult situation, but I'll let the traffic testimony come. But but along those lines, how do you handle storm water drainage that gets into this underground parking garage?
>> Yeah. So the first thing is to make sure try to make sure that doesn't get in there. So the grading that we have right by the entrance to the garage, it slopes away from that entrance. Anything that falls doesn't go right down that ramp. Instead, it goes away from the building at that entrance. That's the first step.
And then any water that somehow makes its way in there or tracks in there, there will be drains. The MEP, I think, designs them. And I think they I believe they tie into the foundation drain for the building itself. Um I don't think it's indicated on the
plan, but when we relocated the um the under the infiltration basin in the front to the side, that was just for roof area runoff. >> Correct. >> But if now you're connecting the drainage or the runoff from the subsurface, which will be motor vehicle
basically, you're tying that into the what I heard just then was that the the roof drain system or the building's drainage. >> No, no, the foundation drain like the the architect designs. uh usually either inside the foundation or outside the foundation. Uh they call it a tow drain
kind of to catch any any storm water that starts rising up. You know, they catch that. Sometimes there's a sump pump for it if it's a lot of water. I I don't anticipate it being anything significant, >> but these facilities will eventually be detailed somewhere. >> Yes.
>> Okay. When supporting calculations, >> of course. >> Um does the ramp have a roof? the the ramp down. The building is on top. >> Building is on top. Okay. Um uh the applicant um I had indicated that an environment impact state well a complete
environmental impact statement um was required but wasn't provided. I have since gotten that document but bottom line on the whole thing as far as the environmental issues go um is subject to review by the environmental commission. So um they they'll have the ultimate say decide is this EIS good enough? Does it
need to do more? So, I just want to remind the board that we do have a environmental commission is now up and running. So, you know, they'll address any um um environmental concerns. Um the the island width 10 puts the um
minimum, but you need you're looking for a waiver for that. >> Why? >> So, we're we're >> Yeah, it's it's it's this one island in the rear. Um the reason why it gets narrow is so that we have the that space for the trash enclosure and and the
three additional parking spaces over here. Uh visually you still by you know towards the end caps we still are providing the 10 the 10 ft width on the towards the end. If if you made those islands comply what would happen to the
parking? Well, we'd lose those three spaces and the trash enclosure would be a problem. >> And then you would need um additional relief from the board for that deficiency in the parking. >> Correct. >> So, the reason to not to provide the 10T
is so you could get those three stalls so you can get the fuller area that you're looking for. >> Yes. Thoughts on why there's a 10-ft width in the ordinance that requires that? Okay, fair enough. Um, if this was like an industrial site, and this is kind of
a little pet peeve of, you know, my industrial sites, trucks, contractors, that fine, we can get away with a um, a painted island, something reduced, but in my mind, the the ordinance calls for this is more maybe more aesthetics. Um, and I had a brief conversation with the foster and, you know, Sher had indicated
that, well, something less than 10 feet, the plants might have a little hard time, you know, thriving. Um, but, you know, that's that's my two cents on that. Um that's all for now. >> So it what about making I can see some
concerns all around on um this relatively new situation to us which is the subterranean parking. Uh what about making that for tenants only and then >> yeah we already agreed to that >> and that's and that would only agreeing
to tenants only then it would relieve us of some of the concerns of the public. So I think that would be something we have to make sure that's in in our documentation. >> Agreed. >> Anything else from anyone else? >> You're next.
>> Thank you Mr. Back. Thank you for your testimony. Well presented. Thank you. I'm going to follow up on the waiver request for the landscape island with the waiver request for continuous parking spaces. Is there anything physically on the site limit
your ability to provide three contiguous parking spaces in all locations? Um so as I I testified the one >> uh the microphone please. Thank you. Oh, the one the one on the north I I I don't debatable. It's it's kind of in
line with the rest of them. We have some striping in between. Um and that's really the only one on the surface that has two as opposed to three. The rest of the locations are the subsurface parking garage, which again it's a function of where the columns are for the building. >> So sort of two answers. One has to do
with subsurface and the board can review that. The one on the surface is just to maximize the yield. Correct. >> Yes, we are one extra. >> Yeah, we have one extra. Okay. Um
the loading space um it's a parallel parking space on the other side of the parking aisle from the building. I can think of a few better layouts. If
your testimony is that we're going to have UPS style deliveries and the owner can sort of limit the types of vehicles that come to the site, you can't circulate a tractor trailer through here, can you? >> No. >> So, we're reasonably sure you're not
going to get a tractor trailer with office furniture in it, >> right? >> Every time someone does a tenant fit up. >> So, let's think of a practical solution from the board. My concern is that wherever the the smaller 3,000 foot portion of the
building that's at grade that has the parking around it, is there any place in there you can dedicate a loading area for UPS trucks like many of the office buildings that you see nowadays that might be this size? Is there any place where we can make one a little deeper, a
little wider, maybe provide two of them? And because having it across the aisle isn't the greatest idea. Having it parallel isn't the optimal idea. And quite frankly, unless you barricaded it or striped it,
>> someone's going to park in it when we run out of when they got to go drive around the back of the they're going to park there. They're premium spaces quite frankly. So while it may require some give and take and Mr. backs design does not appear to
require relief. I think there may be a better design available as a from a practical perspective and perhaps that could if the board were to act in the affirmative it could be worked out
post approval. They just having a parallel parking space on the opposite side of the aisle probably one of the lesser designs you'd want to have unless Unless I'm missing the intent of that design.
>> We I agree with with both of those points. We did originally want it to be really along the building. I mean, and you have access straight to the building. The concern there is you have a building above you and you're you're coming in with delivery trucks. I'm I'm scared of those getting hitting the
building, you know, heightwise. >> Wouldn't be that tall. They're not they're box trucks. Are they going >> it? It it it depends on which portion of the building you're under. If you're if you're towards the front of the building, which is where the door is at,
the the the difference in elevation from that, let's call it which really the second story to grade is is less than when you get towards the back over here where the dra the grade drops down. >> And you're alternating these with the um
handicap parking. It looks like they're Handicap parking in the middle of those >> the the handicap parking are are the spaces over here at closest to the front door. >> Right. Okay. >> What is the height you're planning for
the maximum truck? >> I I don't I I I researched it when we were doing it. I don't remember. It's slipped my mind right now. Say again. >> 16 foot. >> That sounds tall. >> I don't think I don't think it was 16
13. off the surface. >> I I I don't think I can answer that on the spot. I I'd have to go through the numbers. Does 136 sound about right? >> That does sound right. >> Yeah. >> Do Do we think that it might be a wise
idea for you to confer uh with our professionals on possible solutions for this? Even >> would that be agreeable? Yes. My initial concern was that if Mr. Back's design
took into account the strict ordinance requirement of a loading space being what we perceive to be a tractor trailer, 12x 50 or something. You can't get tractor trailers in here. I don't need a 12x50 tractor trailer loading space. So, what can we get? So, they may have put that loading space there so
that it meets the ordinance requirements and they didn't need to ask for relief. That being said, I think there's some wiggle room to come up with a more practical design. Once you figure out what's going on with the height of the building and if
there's a if there's a main entrance door someplace, let's try to get one loading space as close to that as possible, just like you do with handicapped accessibility. >> That recommendation is appropriate and we'll make that the applicant agrees to a condition of
approval. Yes. >> And we can work that out during resolution compliance. >> Yes. Sounds good. Thank you. >> Now, just to just to confirm, would that mean we'd we'd designate, say, two regular spaces as pull-in spaces for loading and unloading, and then this this area would not be designated as a
loading area anymore. >> I would think if after consultation with your client and the architect, you can get parking spaces for loading. I'm sorry. If you can get spaces for loading closer to the building, then the space that's currently shown as loading could be
turned into good oldfashioned surface parking spaces. Yes. And my last comment was just I have to do this because I represent the board. Um the waiver of the EIS um was relatively
thorough. Um however, I I think needs to be this testimony on the record. Sheet nine of your plan, the tree removal plan indicates that no trees are going to be saved. Correct. >> Correct. >> Thank you. That's all I have. >> But you're working with our arborist.
>> Correct. >> Yeah, she's thorough. >> Anything further for this uh gentleman? >> Thank you. >> Just just a couple of questions. Um, so has the uh Forester issued a review letter? I don't have it currently with
me. >> We did not get one. >> Okay. >> I got one I think an hour before >> before I left to hear. >> I have not seen it. >> That's neither. That's from her. >> So So uh based upon that, the applicant agrees to uh take all of her recommendations into consideration
um and if anything needs to be resolved, you can come back and take care of it. Correct. >> Yes. >> Correct. Yes. The reason I brought it up is is respectfully the testimony said, "Well, there's wood a portion in the back of the project. >> There's no trees being saved on site >> and that's you're entitled to do that,
but you have to do certain other things, either replacement trees, pay into a fund, and since we don't have the report of the forester, we really didn't get much testimony other than we'll comply with the forester." So, we we don't really know what the answer to that question is going to be, but I needed it to be on the record that there there are
no trees to be saved >> as part of the plan project, >> right? >> I didn't I didn't mention it. We do have I believe the the ordinance requires we're removing 38 significant trees and we're replacing them with 75. So, >> as the ordinance
>> Good point, >> but the applicant's going to agree with any recommendations the forester makes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Uh, and with the fire uh, official, did we receive a letter back from the fire official? >> Yeah, we had a fire official letter.
>> I think I saw it >> that fire was dated June 12th. >> Okay. And the applicant agrees to take care of all the conditions listed in the uh, >> Yep. Yes. >> the fire alert. >> Yes. Gotcha. >> Madam Chair, >> just go real quick to um, uh, the Fster and the her recommendations. What
happens if the recommendations come back that the islands need to be a minimum to 10 foot wide? >> I don't think I saw that in there. >> I I didn't see that either. But as far as if the recommendation comes and you just indicated we will comply with all the forers recommendations if one of her
recommendations is to make them 10 ft wide. What happens? Well, we might be able to pick up additional parking spaces where we're getting rid of the loading area and then maybe we can put the 10 foot wide uh islands there. >> Fair enough. >> Thank you.
>> So, that's a discussion point. >> Correct. >> Excellent. >> Um and then just last thing, how are you going to u prevent any people coming there to go into the building who are not employees to go into the underground
parking area? Is there is there a is there anything stopping them? >> I think we probably could put a sign up or we can have some kind of a swipy card so you can only get in there. >> A card system, something to prevent regular people from going down there >> because there will be will be a closure
of that. It's not open. There'll be an entry block, >> some kind of arm, >> some kind of access system. >> Yeah. So the bike wouldn't drive on there. >> So it's only employees. Yeah.
All right. Thank you. >> At this time, I'd like to call up our architect, please. All right. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear, affirm, to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? All right. Please state your name and spell your last on the record. >> My name is
>> on the bottom. >> Yeah, there it is. My name is Loose Delmare Rosado and my last name is spelled R O S A D O. Right. >> And please uh just your your credentials for the record. Yes, I'm a licensed
architect in the state of New Jersey. I work for a company called Lear Design, which is the architects of this project. I'm associate principal of the company, been there for 11 years, practice architecture for 25 years or more. Um,
graduated for Virginia Tech with a masters in architecture and I have been um accepted as a witness in various jurisdictions in across the state of New Jersey. >> Welcome. We accept your credentials. Thank you. >> Thank you. And if you could LE for the
record, just uh indicate that your firm uh prepared the architectural floor plans and elevations. >> That is correct. >> And if you could just describe the proposed building and if you're going to reference any of the exhibits, just identify them for the record, please. >> Yes. Um the exhibits that I would
present that would be noted as A7. >> Okay, Anthony, if you could pull up A7, please. It's up. >> Yes. So, the the exhibits are the architectural
um floor plans of the building. Um I'll start with explaining the organization of the building. On page two, if this can be yes um this page has all the various floor plans of the building.
Um starting on the left side as you know this this is a three-story building with a under grade parking structure parking garage. Um this building will be fully sprinkler including the garage and the
building above. Um the first floor plan on the left is the ground floor plan. Um on the ground floor plan there is a lobby. It's kind of shaded purple if you can see. Um, and the front door to the
building is facing East Better Highway. >> Thank you. Front door to the building right here. Um in this area of the lobby um it is envisioned to have a small coffee area for the um as an amenity to the tenants
and visitors of the uh project. Um in this area there will be two sets of elevator that connects every floor of the building. Um these two elevators will comply with any applicable building codes um as regard of um size and
location. There will also be two sets of stairs, one located here and the other one located here for egress um and will meet all require applicable building codes. Um there will be stand pipes in
these stairs as required for the fire department and they will be located in both stairs. Um, as you go up, actually the second and third floor are here all the way to the right. This is
the office space on both floors. Um, there will be space for multiple tenants. As each tenant is secure, they will design their own space and feed out. Therefore, therefore, the interior of the space right now is not visible on
the floor plan. However, we know that the elevators, utilities, mechanical and service core areas will be located towards the center of the building as depicted in the exhibit.
Um, moving down in the middle of the exhibit, it is the basement level um on grade parking garage um which it was described was being accessed from the
south face of the building through a ramp. This as already provided testimony. These spaces in the in the basement will be assigned for tenants and employing and employees of the building.
Um there will be lighting um on the basement garage that will meet all applicable codes for life and safety and um and for the safety of the vehicle and users of the building. So that describes
the floor plan of the buildings and the organization. Um, I'll move to the next exhibit page number three. Yeah. Um, and I'll describe the building height. Um, the building complies with
the maximum building height of 35 ft. Um, that's maximum maximum height. Um there is the there was a question in one of the of the review letters about um compliance um as in regard to the
parapets. The parapets of the building are in compliance with section 244156 which allows these features to go 4 feet above the maximum building height. And
that is you can see right here this red line is where it shows the maximum height those can be and the parapets located there. In addition to that um the elevator uh overruns and stair
overruns may go up to 15 ft in height above the maximum building height. And as you can see, they're show here in the section in compliance with the zoning ordinance. And any mechanical um any mechanical
equipment will be limited to 6 ft above the building height above the maximum building height uh to be in compliance with the zoning ordinance. Um in altogether these roof structures
um will cover no more than 20% of the surface of the roof um as required by the Sony ordinance and to stay in compliance. >> While we're on that subject, uh solar ready.
>> Yes. Um that's what I was going to describe next. Um we do show um some solar panels in our in our roof plan. These are shown for illustrative purposes only. At this stage these are conceptual and the intent to show this
is to uh demonstrate that the building may accommodate this in the future if ownership will like to pursue that. If they do, they will approach a um professional in the matter um that will
design that system. Um the next exhibit on page six, I will move to the architectural character and materials of the building. Next page. Page six. One more. This is a perspective
rendering of the building. Um the design intent was simple. We wanted to design something that was modern, unique and elegant with uh geometry, geometrical articulation
and u color blocking of the materials. We use a wood tone panel uh type material to add accent at the corner of the building. Here this add warmth and
texture to the to the color palette. Um, in contrast, we use white and dark color stucco to accentuate the massing of the building and keep that geometrical and
modern design. Um, for windows, we we use groupings of vertical and horizontal manner um to the building to add rhythm through the design and the facade. uh privacy was really important to
ownership and the use. So we did not want to design a building that had large expanses of glass. We want to be design something that has uh more u you know less quantity of glass. The ground floor
it's the base of the building. It's you can see through the areas that are parking um with the columns holding the building above. Um we add glazing at the entry for
transparency and so that the entry to the building is notable from the street and that that it's the design techniques that we use to design the building. And this is good exhibit to show the
signs of the building which is um which I will describe. Um the building we are proposing one wall sign to be located here right above the entry. This sign is
going to be 80 square feet um in dimension and it will not be mounted over 25 ft in height from the floor um to the top of the sign to be in compliance of the zoning regulation. Um
there is going to be um street numbers and directional signage in the building that will direct the users to either the garage um or to the entrance of the building. And
this directional signs will be in compliance with the zoning ordinance. And that finalizes my testimony. any questions that you may have. Um, I'm happy to. >> Mr. Sullivan's >> uh, will there be any signage at the entrance
of the parking lot? >> Um, yes. If you go to, um, page number five, right here is the location of the parking garage. There is a sign here for
directional purpose that denote the not denotates the entry to the garage. >> Okay. And uh on the entrance from East Veterans on the roadway, would there be any signs marking the entrance? >> Um if you go to page number six,
we don't have page number six. The signage will be right above the entrance to the building here. >> That's a wall sign. So, you're asking about an entrance sign. They hadn't planned one. If they do one, they'll just do one in consistent with the ordinance.
>> Okay. >> Yes. >> Mza. Um, can you tell me I know that you don't know how many tenants there are going to be, but do you have any idea of the maximum number of offices that you
were kind of thinking about would be in this space? Not as the architect. That would not be a question for her. We can we can ask the applicant. >> Okay. >> Anyone else? What kind of what kind of fire suppression system are you going to
have in the sub garage? >> What kind of fire suppression system is going to be in the sub garage? >> Sprinkler system. >> The build the building will be fully sprinkler on the basement and on the >> will there be a separate FDC to feed the I'm asking if they're separated. So, is
the building going to have one suppression system and the sub garage have another or will be one system? >> Um, I I don't know the answer to that. I know that it will comply with whatever requirements from the fire department and building codes. >> And he looked at these plans last, you said June of this year.
>> I'm sorry. >> June of this year is the last time the official approved those plans. >> That's the date of his report. >> That's the date of his report. June of this year. Thank you, >> gentlemen. Um, >> Mr. Clay, >> thank you for the testimony. Um, I think
Mr. back had indicated I'm I'm going to the um drainage and the storm water that might get into the subterranean um basement area. How is that how's that handled? >> Um there will be typically in a basement garage there are drains located in
multiple place. Now there will be an engineering that an engineer that will design that system and building permit that will have all the details for that. Um, other than I know and understand that
there will be a drainage system for the parking garage. That's the testimony that I can provide. >> I'm just wondering where this drainage or this collection system goes. Where does it discharge and I guess an engineering thing will
we'll think about it later, >> but it's it's a concern. um if it was a surface parking lot, um the oils, the grease, you know, it has to go and you have them on here. U manufactured treatment devices. Is this going to need that? And should we have that design
um assured that it works? >> I I would suggest that you have an engineer get in touch with Mr. Clay to have whatever uh that engineer has designed be approved by you. >> And that's fine. That's fine. just
missing on the plan. It's a concern. >> It's not here. We can't see it. So, >> we know that there are plenty of underground garages and so there's a mechanism to get it done. >> Not in Jackson. >> Okay. Fair enough. >> You know, we we have to we have to go by
we don't like to fly by the seat of our pants here. We'd like to see it. Uh so, we'll make sure that Mr. Cle has that opportunity. >> Sure. Not a problem, >> Mr. Peters. >> Thank you. Um, thank you for your testimony. The, um, you've indicated
that you're going to comply with the height limitations in 244 156 of our ordinance. Um, on page three of your drawings, um, I think was where you showed a lot of the dimensions
and lightly started to show stair extensions or HVAC units. They're not detailed at all. So, I guess the board would take it from your testimony that you're going to comply with section
2446, the height limitations. And I guess councelor will note in the record that no relief for building height is being proposed. And the applicant is testifying they're going to comply with
the height limitations in 244 156 because they're not dimensioned or labeled on these plans. So while I I I don't doubt the testimony and it just needs to be clear that if we come back later it's like oh we we we kind of forgot that it's not something that can
be approved through resolution compliance. You got to come back you're going to be in violation of code. >> Understood. >> Yeah. Um, the last question I had, it appears all of the the two stair wells go all the way through the roof. Um, is
is the roof designed for occupancy for folks to go up there and hang out or are the stairs going up to the roof >> maintenance >> just part of the design or is it anticipated that the tenants in this building will have free and ready access
to utilize the roof of the building? Typically, we bring stairs up for maintenance so there was easy access to go into the roof for maintenance of equipment and so forth. >> Okay. I guess Miss Jennings, you're going to need some testimony from the
applicant. Are they proposing to have tenants utilize the roof? >> No. The answer is no. And we would make that a condition of the approval. That's for maintenance only. >> Thank you. That's all I have. >> Y and the applicant understands that the storm water management plan is going to be a condition of the approval. Correct.
>> For the underground garage. Correct. >> Got no youth access. >> Yeah. >> Other than maintenance. >> Yeah. >> Any other questions? >> Thank you. >> At this time, I'd like to club our
traffic engineer, John Ray. This is his first time appearing. >> Yes, we we've missed him. >> You swear or affirm, tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> All right. Please state your name and spell for the record because we have no idea who you are.
>> John Ray Raa, professional engineer with McDonald and Ray Associates. specialty is practical engineering here before this board many times. >> Yeah, you've been here a few times. Did the board accept the credentials? >> We certainly do. >> Thank you. John, if you could just confirm that your office prepared a
traffic impact analysis dated May 28th, 2025. >> Uh, yes, we did. >> And you had an opportunity to visit the site in the surrounding area >> on numerous occasions. Yes. >> Okay. If you could just describe for us your the analysis that you undertook and your conclusions. >> Okay. We've been at the site on several
occasions to look at this particular piece of property, look at the surrounding roadway network. As everybody knows, it is located on the south side of East Veterans Highway, which is Ocean County 528. In the vicinity of the site, East Veterans Highway has one travel lane in
each direction along with shoulders on both sides of the road and a two-way left turn lane which extends to the intersection of South Oak Chapel Road and provides access to the various um driveways in the area including Pride Parkway which is the access to Jackson
Liberty High School and to the Liberty Corners shopping center as well as Jackson shopping center. Veterans Highway, as I've indicated, is under the jurisdiction of Ocean County. An application has been made to the county. Um, our engineer has gotten some
preliminary comments from the county. They are relatively minimal. So, um, I believe the county is pretty much on board with the design of the uh, project. If I'm not mistaken, the county had asked us to shift the original location of the driveway further to the
west. They had more separation from the driveway to the shopping center on the side of the street. And we have done that. Uh traffic counts were conducted last September when Liberty Jackson Liberty High School was open and generating traffic. Uh the counts were
conducted at the intersection of Brighton Parkway and East Veterans Highway. From those traffic counts, we were able to peak hour traffic volumes passing the site frontage on East Veterans Highway. We did traffic generation estimates uh from the 11th
edition of the Institute of Transportation Engineers trip generation manual and the project will generate approximately based on the size of the project and the mix of metal and general office space. It will generate approximately
73 driveway movements during the peak street hour and 79 peak hour movements during the PMP street hour. We expected traffic volumes to a design year 2035 in accordance with county planning
protocol. They always want to look at a 10ear horizon when they're reviewing a traffic study. We consulted the NJP's background traffic data that background traffic to the east highway traffic
volumes. We also included several projects in the vicinity of the site that have been approved yet to be constructed. When we did those traffic studies, we included that traffic in our projection of design year 2035 traffic volumes.
We calculated the levels of service for the exits out to East Ver morning and afternoon peak hours. Uh those levels of service will be level of service D is in daily for the street hour and C as in
Charlie for the PM street hour. And that's primarily because the street hour East Highway Street. We live in an unusual situation. That in fact is the case. With respect
to Jackson Liberty High School across the street, I do not anticipate that the peak hours for the office building would coincide directly with peak hours for the high school. The high school starts at 7:10 a.m. in the morning, which is a little bit earlier than I believe most
people will be arriving at their offices. during the morning peak hour and in the afternoon school is dismissed at 1:33 p.m. We expect our peak hour will occur couple hours after that generally between 4 and 6 p.m. But at
any rate, the site driveway to highway will operate like I said at D and C level service respectively for the 2035 design year. respect to the design of the internal circulation. There's been some testimony on that already from the
engineer and the architect. Uh we do have 184 parking spaces shown more than required by the number that's required in the parking requirement. Uh I have sat and listened to the comments from your
professionals regarding the location of the loading zone. I think Mr. B and myself professionals to relocate the loading zone, replace that area with basic surface parking, and we can probably
work work something out, get that loading zone a little bit more accessible to the front door of the building, which certainly makes sense. As far as the subterranean parking uh level is concerned, there are 54 parking spaces down there, if I'm not mistaken.
I've discussed that with my applicant and uh my suggestion was and it came up this evening that we restrict the underground parking garage to tenants and employees. We don't want the general public going down there and we do that through signage if need be as far as you
know some kind of a key fob that can get you into the bottom of the parking garage. I think we've all probably had experience going into underground parking garages when you Jackson Township. the first one, but uh assuming it's designed properly and correctly, it will
work safely and efficiently. Outside of that, um I think the project's been properly designed. Uh we do have minimal comments from the county. I do expect the county approval for the location of the driveway based
on their comments. And uh once again, just to remind everybody and and as well as the public that with respect to the traffic impact at all sight intersections. The county will collect a fairly substantial traffic facility from
this applicant going to the county's uh traffic fund which funds traffic improvements throughout the county including projects that are under construction right now in Jackson Township such as Cedar Swamp and Freehole Road. If I'm not mistaken, there's a signal of some widening going
in there. the improvements that were done at corn year or two ago. So, we will have to make a contribution to the county impact fun. >> Thank you. Any questions from Mr.
>> Well done, >> madam chair. >> Yes, sir. >> I really did. I came here. >> You know, I'm just not looking. >> It's Monday night at my house on Monday night. It's laundry night. If I get home early, I have to fold laundry. Okay. Not football night. Football tonight.
>> Mr. Ray, thank you as always for your testimony. Um, seeing as how your firm did their usual thorough job in the report uh dated May 28th of 2025, I need to beat you over the head a little bit with
it. Um the report indicates um that there's a level of service E at an off-site intersection >> at Pride Parkway. >> And in your in your firm's conversations
with the county, are you aware of any intersection improvements that are proposed for that area which is relatively close to your site? >> That's the access to the high school. They have not indicated Unless Mr. Pack, our engineer, has gotten some different
information from the county, you've not gotten any information from the county that any improvements would be proposed there. >> The reason I'm asking and and I don't want to necessarily go page by page through your report is that that level of service over there is a level of
service E and it's about in technical terms half a second from being a level of service F. And at at some point in time the county and I guess I'm going to ask you a question. If your report or the county's report had indicated there
was a level of service F, would would you have expected the county to ask for some sort of improvements at that site? not by your applicant, but at some point when you have when you cross some threshold from an engineering
perspective, wouldn't there be some sort of intersection improvements performed? >> Uh, I think to answer your question, Mr. Peters, not necessarily intersection improvements. I don't think the county would have the signal at Pride Parkway. It would be too close to Cross Street
and too close to South Chapel Road. What they probably asked us to do is to do a gap study and it's my belief that and I know the area fairly well. We've been doing traffic work out here for many many years because of the signals at South Chapel Road and Cross Street with
bracket either side of Pride Parkway. I do think gaps are provided that aren't necessarily taken into account from the analysis in the level of service analysis. So I think it's it's going to work out fine. There are improvements scheduled by the county
Street and East Federal Highways. As everybody know, there's going to be a big improvement to that intersection and I think uh the signal there will provide some gaps in westbound veterans highway traffic before the cross street traffic
starts to move. And best way I can answer the question is county may at some point in time do a gap study out there and make sure there are gaps for people to get out of Pride Parkway. But at this juncture they they are not going to require a signal. It's too close to
first street. >> I have to agree with your concern there because there's been a great population change at that intersection. Uh because of the high schools combining there is uh that high school has a much larger
population now than it did when you did that study. >> You're correct Dr. Camp. the high schools combined now in 2020 2025 September this year. Okay. >> So, that's a concern and I think the county >> would hopefully be aware of that.
>> No, I appreciate you expanding your testimony. I know you're familiar with the area and I think it gives the board a little more understanding about what goes on at the next intersections offsite. Not that necessarily your your client is the application that tips the
scales, but I think having an understanding of what's going on out there is important. Um, I don't know if it was your testimony or Mr. Bax. Um, was there an original design that had the driveway access further east on this
property? >> Yes. Yes, there was. >> And the county put the kabash on that? >> The county asked us to move it further west. And actually, the Jackson made the same comment as us. You should talk about Jackson police.
So, they have a report dated July 29th. Um, there are some comments in here that I I think require at least a recognition by the applicant um of the comments made by the
PD traffic safety unit um or some agreement that you'll meet with them to reconcile the concerns in the letter. >> I have reviewed that report. Uh there are some general comments about heavy
traffic and congestion in the area which of course we we concur that that's the case. Uh they also indicate that um I have the latest one this is David 72925. >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> Had some critical comments on the second page the full paragraph. >> Subterranean parking garage. >> Yes. >> Okay. That's why we're going to re, you know, the subterranean parking garage is going to be restricted to tenants and
employees. So, I I understand the the comment. We don't want the general public being down there. They will use the surface parking um through signage and if necessary a gate or some kind of a key fob system to get the authorized
people down there. We agree to do that. >> Thank you. That's all I have. Madam, >> I would I would take out the term if necessary. >> Okay. It will. >> I think we know what we have to do. >> Thank you. Anything else,
Mr. Cle? I I do have one question. Uh maybe uh not for Mr. Ray concerning that coffee bar. That's no food prep there, right? Just uh coffee.
>> Correct. No lunch. No. >> Wanted to make sure nobody was going to be wandering in there for lunch. >> No. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Just to be clear, there's no EV parking spaces uh or charging stations in the
underground facility, right? >> Yeah, I know that. >> Yeah. >> Fire department doesn't like that. >> Yeah, we we don't want any uh any big big bonfires. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thanks. >> And just to be clear, if the county
comes back and indicates that uh let's say they do a study uh and they're going to require some kind of improvements on the roadway, the applicant would be responsible to pay their fair share. Correct. >> We always are.
county. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> All right. >> Okay. At this time, I'll call Andrew Janu, our planner. >> Good evening. >> Long time no see.
Please raise your right hand. You swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. >> I do. >> All right. Please state your name and spell your last for the record. >> Andrew Janu. J A N I W. >> All right. And your credentials? >> Yes. >> I am a licensed professional planner in
the state of New Jersey as well as a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners. Uh I'm a principal in the firm of Beacon Planning and Consulting Services located in Colts Neck, New Jersey. Currently serving as the planner for the burrow of Freehold in Mammoth County. uh Carter Edboro in Middle Sex County and Livingston
Township in Essex County 2022. I was appointed to the state board of professional planners by >> I think that that may be good enough. >> Sounds good enough. >> Thank you. Welcome. >> Thank you. >> Uh just uh Andrew for the record um you've had an opportunity to visit the site. >> Been through the site uh several
occasions. I've reviewed all the documentation, the review letters, the uh the plans prepared for this evening as well as your ordinance and master plan. >> Okay. Okay. And you understand the variance uh that is requested in the design waiverss and if you could just uh go through the statutory requirements and indicate whether or not in your
professional opinion the applicant has satisfied same. >> Certainly. So um as the board's aware this is in your highway commercial uh district. It's a very generous commercial district. I believe there are 75 permitted uses within that district including professional offices uh which by definition include medical and and
dental uses. Uh the uh ordinance uh specifically permits uh use of uh parking configuration that we are proposing with the EV credit. The sole variance that we're seeking this evening
is for a setback to the parking area. 20 ft is required adjacent to residential use. We are providing 10 ft to the residential use and that is along our eastern property line. Uh I believe
here have gone through the various waiverss that we're requesting. Uh I won't reiterate those are generally related to the configuration of the parking spaces and the uh circulation aisles and we've given you the engineering reasoning behind all those
statuto requirement for the variance we're looking at in C2 or we adjudicate under a balance test. Uh with respect to the waiverss, uh I would offer that those were uh typically considered to be uh based on the test provided a better
alternative to compliance in order to provide the appropriate circulation and parking requirements to meet the ordinance requirements. When preparing for this evening, one of the things I mentioned I done is go through your master plan and we certainly have to reconcile anything
that we do with your master plan. Uh with respect to your master plan uh it's very this was just done 2025. very specific with respect to wanting to promote uh new commercial development and in fact the policies, principles and uh objectives within the master plan
included reading the record to achieve a pattern and mix of land uses that achieve various community planning objectives including the economic development of the community and creation of a more desirable community. provide for commercial development to serve both local and regional needs to
mentor with the demands of the market based on both reliable and innovative market strategies. to provide limited appropriate non-residential development including but not limited to neighborhood businesses professional offices religious uses while protecting the character of the neighborhoods to
provide for sustainable economic growth in Jackson by capitalizing on partnerships location in the region and existing in our case and to encourage local business development believe we're on point with each of those objectives we are proposing professional office use
that are the HC district at this location. >> Your microphone's not registering. >> Sorry. >> Is that better? >> Ah, there we go. >> Yep. Much better. >> My apologies. >> Uh we are proposing uses that are consistent with the zone plan. We are
promoting economic development within the town in an appropriate location. Uh that also brings us to uh the purposes of zoning. And as this board is aware, uh, variances cannot be granted for the sole benefit of the applicant. There has to be a public purpose. Those public purposes are defined within the
municipal land use law under 4055D. And I believe there are two specific that uh we are uh consistent with here. Uh G is to provide sufficient space in appropriate locations for a variety of agricultural, residential, recreation, commercial, and industrial uses and open
space both public and private according to their respective environmental requirements. in order to meet the needs of all New Jersey residents. Uh we are zoned for the use that's being proposed. We are an appropriate location and we have sufficient space for what's being proposed. And as you heard our engineers
testimony, we don't have any environmental constraints on this property. Uh even the limited uh EIS does submitted indicated there are no wetlands or any kind of constraints that would prohibit this development or otherwise have any consequences to the environment.
M is to encourage the coordination of various public and private procedures such as the sports actions and activities shaping land development with a view of lessening the cost of such development to the more efficient use of land. And again, this property uh has been developed with a dental office for
many years. What we're seeking to do is to now uh enhance the development with a professional office building that may include medical and dental uses. It is appropriately located uh along the highway commercial zone in a highway commercial district. we have infrastructure available in terms of
road frontage and access to uh public water, public sewer. Uh so it is a an area which such development would be efficiently placed. Um and that brings us to the criteria for the uh variance itself. What we are proposing uh is
what's known as a flexible C variance or the balance test. And under the proofs uh for a C2 variance, we would have to demonstrate that the application relates to a specific piece of property and it does. The purposes of the municipal land use law would be advanced by the application and I believe that there are
at least two that would that I read into the record. And finally, that the benefits of the deviation would outweigh any detriment. We'd also have to reconcile this with the negative criteria being that the variance can be granted without substantial detriment to the public good and that the variance
will not substantially impair the intent and purpose of the zone plan. So the variance we are seeking this evening is uh related to the setback along the easterly property line. Uh can we put up I think it's yeah there we go. So as so the easterly property line will
be to the right of the uh uh outermost yellow line on this property. You can see there are two uh residential lots within the HC zone. Uh 1164 and 1174 is how they're depicted on there. U 1174
uh is a larger lot. The home is actually beyond our southerntherly property line. The white roof by the 1174 there is is more of a barn or storage use and there's some outdoor storage occurring on the property and 1164 is a single
family home. Uh there is a natural wooded buffer there. Uh so there there is vegetation that does separate us. However, uh we are required to maintain pursuant to your zone a 20 foot setback. Now the 20 foot setback within the
requirements of the ordinance is is just that it's a setback. It's not required to be uh planted or buffered with any fences. However, because we're asking for that deviation, I think there was a suggestion from uh chairperson that uh we would enhance that with a fence as well as some landscaping. We are
prepared to do that to mitigate that visual uh call it impairment of the 10-ft encroachment into the setback requirement. uh with respect to that that I actually believe would be superior to a 20ft setback in that we are creating a visual barrier something that will block headlights something
that uh will have not much but some noise attenuation uh certainly more than what the minimum 20 foot setback requirement would be so I believe what's being proposed uh with the fence and with the landscaping is superior to that 20 foot setback and I think when we look
at that on balance uh that certainly is a better zoning alternative With respect to the negative criteria here, I think if we uh it's my opinion that if we uh do that and enhance that buffering if you will between the property lines that there won't be any
negative impacts on this property. In fact, it'll be as I mentioned superior to the uh 20oot setback requirement. We are consistent with the zone plan in terms of putting an appropriate use in its appropriate location. uh and I believe that we have satisfied essentially the mitigation of the impact
of that deviation on the neighbors. Uh Mr. Beck uh had indicated with respect to the waiverss that we can certainly work with your professionals in terms of trying to reconcile some of the issues that were raised uh with respect to the two parking spaces in the northeast
corner of the property as well as to the uh uh 10-ft islands around the dumpster area. Certainly uh there may be opportunities to uh mitigate some of those uh waiverss with once we can relocate or look at relocation of the uh
loading area along the westerly property line. So there I believe quite frankly that even the design as exists today is functional. It works. It allows for proper circulation and we meet the parking requirement but that doesn't mean it can't be improved if we have the
uh benefit of an improved uh loading area. So when we look at the waiverss, I do think that uh certain they do meet the call benefit test of a better zoning alternative in terms of the impact with respect to circulation. Uh but like I said, we're going to try to improve that
in order to uh satisfy some of the board's concerns. I believe uh that is the limit of my testimony. >> Thank you, Andrew. >> Any questions for the board? I certainly want to avoid folding laundry tonight. I don't take any
exception to Mr. Janu's testimony. >> Professional. >> I think the the technical portions of the waiver requests and the discussion with regards to variance relief were presented by the witnesses. And again, I don't take any exception to
Mr. January's testimony this evening. Mr. Clay, >> nothing more to add. >> Again, >> I just want who is going to be um speaking about the speaking to the statement of operations or do I just have to take what has been written?
>> I believe that uh the site engineer went through the hours of operate. We don't know who the tenants are. So, he did go through the general hours of operation and everything. So, I'm not sure what you would be looking for. The tenants are not identified yet, >> right? And I just wanted to know
approximately, you know, what they're anticipating as far as how many offices there would be, what standard business hours are. There is also an accommodation for 24-hour a secure access for the tenants of the building.
So, in order to, you know, consider the C2 variance, I would like to make sure that some of these things are addressed so that I know that the 10-foot buffer request and the fence and the the landscaping will be enough. So, is there
anyone that can testify to that or am I just to say the standard business hours are what exactly? >> That's what they are. Monday through Friday, 9:00 to 5:00, but the building would be open like I'm I'm an attorney, right? So, we have a professional office building. I go there on tomorrow.
Yesterday, I was there because I have access, but I was the only person in the 11story building. So, most people aren't going to go there on Saturday and Sundays or after the hours and that's they have a lot of work to do and they need to get to their files. So, I would imagine that yes, you'll have the ability to go to the building, but not
that many people are going to go to the building. Like even this building right now, it's a public building. We're probably the only ones in the building because we have a purpose to be here. So, that's generally how office buildings work. They're the the and it's medical office, so it's really the doctors. They're only going to take appointments generally between 9 and 5.
Um, but I do have I mean the the Larara Schulman is the uh applicant's rep if you want to ask her. I know you had a question about how many tenants if she has an idea of how many tenants she thinks she might have because she is running a dentist office there right now. So, they're obviously the dentist office that's there now is going to be in this new building. So, they're going to be occupying some of the space. So,
if that's helpful, we can bring Lara up and she can give a little testimony. >> That'd be great. Thank you. >> Okay, sure. [Music] >> Lara, I know you didn't really want to come up, but come on up. Your time to shine. >> Yes. All right. Do you swear affirm,
tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? Oh, use the microphone. >> Yes. >> All right. Please state your name and spell your last for the record. >> Lara Dena Schulman. S C H U L M A N.
>> All right. And you're going to be testifying as to statement of operations based upon your personal knowledge of the existing functions. Correct. >> Correct. >> All right. >> Okay. Just for the record, um, can you just indicate how you're related to the applicant? your
>> I am I am one of the owners of the building. I am the applicant. My husband and my daughter are dentists that work in the office currently. They are also owners of the property. >> Okay. And the the goal is to have their practice move into the new building. Correct. You can sit down.
>> Okay. Thank you. The goal is to have their practice move into the building and enlarge. Their practice is growing. Jackson is growing and they're they're doing great. >> Okay. Okay. And do you how many additional tenants do you anticipate? You obviously have a building that's is going to be beyond their particular
need. So I imagine there'll be another tenant or two or 10. >> We're definitely going to have three tenants. Um one their office and then two additional medical dental related not related to us but practices. Um and
then we have family businesses. We hope to populate the office with some of our family businesses investments. We have different investments, not in this area, but in other locations in New Jersey. >> You just speak into the microphone. >> Yes, sure. I'm sorry. Thank you. >> We have other family businesses and
we've thought about moving some of our offices there and perhaps, you know, other related businesses that might relate to our investment businesses, most of them financially related.
So there would be there would be no large groups there at any time in the evenings say large groups of people just >> some you know what you know what guys I
have 12 kids we are a large group when we go to the dentist we take over the whole waiting room >> so that's about as large as you're going to get no we're not planning on having public gatherings in the building That's not the idea. That's the That's the concern that that there will be no
public gatherings that there will be no uh night activity >> at possible. >> Um >> well, our office is current is is sometimes open till 8:00 p.m. Is that is that the kind is that night for you? >> That would that would be certainly
evening, but we're looking at nothing like 9:00, 10:00, 11 o'clock at night. >> Midnight hours. Don't This is an office building. Midnight hours. Yeah. Good. That's the concern. >> Unless I'm going to have a family party. >> That's the concern. No, no big family
party. >> I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing. >> If I brought all my grandchildren, I'd have a >> of course >> very large crowd. >> Exactly. You're right. We might use the parking lot on a Sunday or something. I'm teasing. >> Mr. Marzo, would that answer your question? >> Yes. Thank you. >> I have just one small question. With the
underground garage potential for individuals being there at night, you have system, camera system, systems. >> Yes, we will have a security system for all day, not just at night. And we'll be able to see it remotely on our phones
and in other places also. >> Excellent. Gentlemen, any questions? Any more questions from the board? We appreciate it. Thank you. >> So, that's uh all of our direct testimony.
Any questions before we move to the public? >> Let's uh somebody motion for the public hearing. >> I'd like to make a motion to open uh the testimony to the public for cross-examination of witnesses only on
this application. Sullivan >> second de Marzo. >> All in favor? I >> I >> if you have any questions uh to directed to the applicants or their
professionals, please come forward. >> Seeing no one coming. >> N somebody's coming forward. >> Give her time. >> Thank you. >> This is my first one. >> That's okay. Put bring the microphone down closer to you. Thank you. >> Sure. And just so you know, what's going
to happen is that this is broken up into two parts. This part is a cross-examination part where you're going to be asking specific questions to the applicants professionals and then the second part after we close this part is the public comment. You just >> feel free to say whatever you want about
the application. >> Okay. This is question only. >> Yeah. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear from tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? >> Yes. >> All right. Please state your name. Your name and spell your last for the record. >> Holly Reynolds. R E Y N O L Ds and three Mary Beth. >> All right. And your address for the record? >> Three Mary Beth.
>> Three Mary Beth. Gotcha. >> Um so my questions are for the engineer. >> Mhm. >> Um uh so my first question is um you said that you're changing the direction or the layout of where you're having that
first underground drainage basin to the side and not to the front. Um, would you still be piping that drainage basin out into the same area as you do now? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, I also noticed on your um
plans that you don't have any direct inlets from the driveways at all that um directly going into the basins. you originally had one um kind of that bio retention basin that kind of looked like it just filtered into the underground
basin um and then discharges out. Um so where do you have the storm water from the parking lot getting into? >> That's a good question. In in place of that bio >> use the microphone please. Thank you. >> It's working. In place of that biobasin
in that little corner there, there will be an inlet and that's that's what we speaking about before. this MTD it's called where it pre-treats the water. It's gonna go through it look from above ground it looks like an inlet >> right >> and then it goes in there it treats the water and then it goes towards the rear of the property towards that big
underground system in the rear. Additionally in the rear of the system there's another one of those MTDs which again it's an it's an inlet on steroids. It treats the water and then it goes into the underground system. >> Is that the one you're talking about in the very back corner? >> Yes.
>> The the Kraken basically. >> Yes. But isn't that also an outlet structure or is that only an inlet structure? >> That one's just inlet. That one's just >> So, how does the water get out of the basin? >> It the the the basin itself, it's perforated pipe with stone on the bottom. So, the water enters this underground basin and infiltrates into
the ground. >> Okay. And what happens if it doesn't infiltrate? >> So, we have to we have to in our report, we have to provide the soils department and the township engineer with that eventuality. What would happen in case of failure, right? Right. So that one it would that's the reason for the stone
around that inlet. It would it would bubble over and go through the stone. The stone is there to slow down the water so it doesn't damage any of the soil in the surrounding area. >> Okay. But how you only have basically those two inlets but overall the whole parking lot you only have those. So how
do you get all that storm water or is it all just flushing into the back of the property? Yeah, it goes from the front of the property all the way to the to to the bottom of it. And that just because of the way the property slopes in that direction. >> Okay. So, what I'm also seeing is that
all your storm water basically goes into the one area or one side of the property which is basically to the residential neighbors. Yeah. So my question is, how do you not affect the residential neighbors when you're discharging basically overland into that corner or
that flared section to the front? You're hitting both those lots with all the storm water. That would fail. >> No, it's a very valid point. The the the requirement the requirement is >> Oh, no. No, it's me this time again. Always me. >> The requirement is to maintain what's
there now. and what's there now. The water does flow from north to south and west to east. The water is currently flowing in that direction. There isn't a lot of water. There's minimal amount of water. And even that minimal amount, we're required to reduce it when we do
development, which we're doing. Um so any amount of water that's going to be going there now is going to be less than what's currently do going there today. That's the requirement. And then the township engineers job is to check our plans and ensure that we're complying with that.
>> Okay. I I get that for like overall that you have the water going there, but for those specific points, like are you addressing that you're reducing the water going to those points and you're not showing the grades off the property and it looks like it slopes down into
these people's property. So my question is is how are you not going to erode the the neighboring properties from like that flared end or all that storm water just discharging over that small area of stone. >> Right. No. So I'm tell the the storm
water the design isn't for the storm water to go out of that flared end or out of that stone. The design is for the storm water to enter the inlet there and go into the system and go into the ground underground. You won't see it. those that stone is there for in case of
failure which is that's a requirement but these things especially the underground ones I don't know of any that have failed underground they they don't fail and we're required to the the the applicant is required to maintain them and should there be a problem you know they are obligated to clean those
out if they're they get stuffed with leaves or whatever >> I would say that you would still need to have you still need to have like that point stability of what you're doing, you're taking all this flow and you're concentrating it. So, and then you have
a slope. So, I'm just making sure that you know that you're meeting the those requirements of not posing an issue to you have two residential neighbors right there. >> Yes. And we are meeting. >> Okay. And I guess with that, you want to
have only a 10-ft buffer. I know some people may think it's just an aesthetic of, you know, putting a fence or trees to the neighboring properties, but there's probably also a design to have that ordinance to kind of limit what you're doing to those neighboring
properties with storm water as well, not just what it looks like. >> Yeah. And and again, that's the main point in storm water design and and the board engineer can tell you this also is to ensure that we're not negatively impacting the neighbors and that's the
entire focus of the design and and we are required to lessen the impact of what's there now. >> Yes. So have to >> reduce the amount of water that's going into the neighboring properties. >> Yes. >> Okay. I guess that's all my questions. >> Thank you.
>> Anyone else? Seeing no one else. >> That's okay. Take your time. >> Kim Reali R. >> Go. Hold it. We have a whole procedure. >> Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? >> Yes. >> Please state your name and spell your last for the record.
>> Kim Reali. R E A L E. 547 West. >> We just say that one more time. >> Yep. R E A L E. >> If you could move that microphone towards you, make it more comfortable. >> And your address?
>> 547 West Commodore. >> All right. I think she got it. >> Okay. Um I'm also concerned. I'm sorry. I'm also question is your question for the engineer? >> Yes. We have the buffers in place for a
reason. The reason is that you have residential with commercial. You don't want to mix the two. We have these buffers there for a reason. What you're one of the questions I actually have is what kind of trees are on the property as of right now.
>> I'm not a professional arborist, but we do have a survey from an arborist that has identified each one individually. are their birches or their willows or because that actually helps with the water situation. Once you cut those down, you have a water situation
because the trees aren't there absorbing the water. Um, and then you go to now you don't have the buffer on top of it because you're you said you're taking every single tree off of that property. I don't know how many there are, but you're taking all the trees off. Um, so
I can see where the the residents should be concerned regarding the water situation because without knowing what trees are there, what's absorbing the water, what isn't absorbing the water, um, you see lakes being destroyed and
not coming back because they ripped out trees and the lakes are gone. Um, so that's I really think there should be the buffer. The buffer should be the 20 feet. You need it. You need to protect not only your property but the properties of
the residents. That's it. >> Thank you. I think there was testimony about the number of trees that are being removed. Uh and there are two or three times the number of trees being planted. >> Right. But are you planting the same
type of trees? >> Yeah, that's the requirement. >> That's a requirement. >> At least equivalent. At least. >> No, but if you pull a birch, are you putting a birch? >> We're putting in whatever the tree forester tells us she'd like to see there cuz she's the one who's the expert.
>> Because cuz that's how it works. You know, if you chop down a weeping cherry, it sucks up water. When you chop it down, the water's coming up out of the ground. So, that that's a big concern. You know, when you're looking at Granted, we have a high water table over
here. Um, so that's an issue when you're taking down trees. You have to make sure that whatever trees you're putting back up are going to absorb. And again, you're not putting up 30, 40 foot trees again. You're putting up baby trees. So, they're not going to do the
job the way that big tree is doing the job. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> Anyone else? Seeing no one else come forward, I move to close the public portion of the cross- examination on this application. Sullivan.
>> Second, Demarzo. >> All in favor? >> I'd like to make a motion to open the public portion of testimony on this application and this application comments on this application only.
Anyone or I make a motion? >> Second. Demarzo. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Anyone who would like to make any comment on this particular application, please come forward. >> Seeing no one come forward, I move to
close the public um portion of this application. Sol. >> Second. Demorzo. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. now >> give your summation. >> Sure. I just I guess I would just saying
in some uh this is a permitted use. We essentially meet all of the townships ordinance required other than the buffer, but I think we're addressing that with the fencing and the extensive landscaping. We're obviously going to have the tree forester uh address the comments and we're going to we know with
with respect to the water issue. We do meet the state storm water regulations and have to and so the water is going to be reduced and the quality and the quantity of water will be better than it is now. So we would respectfully request that the board grant an approval.
>> Mr. Peters, you have any comments for us. >> Mr. Clay, >> the board any comments? I just would want to know how what the the height of the fence is and what the fence is going to be like.
>> Maybe we could have someone give us a the architect something. >> Well, I would think that it would just be a six foot high solid white fence. >> Solid solid six foot. >> Probably these days it's vinyl. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> It has to meet whatever standard is in the ordinance. >> Yeah. and solid. So that the whole >> Yeah. >> purpose the two purposes are sound and light. >> So solid will take care of that. >> Anyone else with a comment?
>> Then we'll take a motion. I'd like to make a motion uh to approve this application block 21301 lot 12 1154 East Veterans Highway Holdings LLC
uh with the stipulations that the applicant agreed to. And I'd just like to make a comment that in future when we see uh renderings that the um heights are marked on these renderings so we don't have to ask what
the heights are. We can see them. That would help uh facilitate any future applications. And with that, I motion to approve. Sullivan. >> I'll second Rogers. We'll have a roll call vote, please. Mr. Frazzi,
>> uh, I have not had time to review the package myself being disappointed and appreciate all the testimony and the public input, but without reviewing the whole package personally. I'm going to abstain on my vote. >> Okay, Mr. Marzo. >> Yes. And I um that includes the the
variance requests, I I approve. >> Mr. Rogers, >> I would like to include the preliminary. I have some concerns on the final uh because there's so many answers
questions and design issues uh promise but not described here. >> Okay, Miss Rose. >> Yes. >> So, let's let's just talk about that for
a sec. So, uh, the vote is for preliminary and final. So, um, that's the motion that's on the floor. Um, so that would be a no by you unless you want to change. >> No, it would be no by me. >> All right,
>> Mr. Weart. >> Yes. >> Mr. Sullivan. >> Yes. >> Dr. Campbell. >> Yes. Can with the agreed upon uh consultation with our professionals. That's very important and I think that will help to cover Mr. Rogers concerns,
too. >> Yes. >> All right. So, I that's a yes from me. Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Do I do I do I get a vote? >> You do. We didn't We forgot Mr. Trump. >> He's so quiet tonight. >> He was so quiet. >> It's okay. I'm new here.
>> Uh I'm going to be a no as well. And that's just because as the environmental chairman, I do want to request the full environmental impact statement. I know the building is over 20,000 square feet. Um, I do have some concerns with some other environmental impact statement. I think Mrs. Reynolds points with the
storm water makes is an extremely valid point. So, that's going to be a no for me. >> That still passes. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Environmental impact statement. Isn't he the one that gives that?
>> But then they have to secondary. All right, let's take a motion to adjurnn. >> I'd like to make a motion to adjurnn this meeting. Sullivan >> second to Marzo. >> All in favor? I