I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. This meeting complies with the open
public meetings act. Notice of this meeting was published on municipal building board and in the applicable newspapers. >> Kathleen roll call please. >> Mr. Heyman >> here. >> Mr. Martins >> Mr. Tremor >> here.
>> Miss Kusano >> here. >> Mr. Seleia >> here. >> Dr. Hoffstein >> here. >> Miss Bradley >> here. We have no resolutions this evening. Uh I have one set of minutes for our
approval. Uh they are from the I'm not touching it. I'm not touching it. It's the lamp that's causing all the problems over here. >> That didn't sound good. >> Okay. So, now that we're all awake, um,
we have m meeting minutes from the October 292 meeting. >> You're not kidding. >> I need a motion and a second to approve the meeting minutes, please. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Roll call, please.
>> Mr. Heyman, >> yes. >> Mr. Martins, >> yes. >> Mr. Tremor, >> yes. Miss Cusano, >> yes. >> Mr. Seleia, >> yes. >> Dr. Hoffstein, >> Miss Bradley, >> yes. >> Okay. Uh, I have a voucher in front of
me for this evening's meeting in the amount of $175 for our recording secretary for the zoning board. I need a motion and a second to approve payment of the voucher. Please. >> Motion. >> Second.
>> Roll call, please. >> Mr. Mr. Heyman, >> yes. >> Mr. Martins, >> yes. >> Mr. Tremor, >> yes. >> Miss Cusano, >> yes. >> Mr. Seleia, >> yes. >> Dr. Hoffstein, >> yes. >> Miss Bradley, >> yes. >> Okay. Do we have any announcements this evening?
>> Yes, we do. Number one on the agenda, Plazerano Group, uh, LLC, Enzo's Restaurant, um, is being carried. It was originally carried from the August 6th meeting. Um, and it will carried to
January 7th, 2026 and they will be reoticing. >> There will be no executive session this evening. Do we have any matters for discussion, Mrs. Criani? >> We do not. >> Okay. No administrative approval. So, we are going to move forward to applicant
number two, Jerry's Auto Body LLC, use variance 3538. >> I thought I might swear in the >> Oh, yeah. The swear in the professional. That might be helpful. I'm a traditionalist. Um, do you swear or affirm that the testimony you will
give before this board will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Please state your name and your position. >> Mark Roire, board engineer. >> Peter, board planner. >> Gina Tumalo, assistant zoning officer. >> Steve Mer, board traffic engineer.
Get your microphone. Sorry. >> Certainly. I just have to uh bring it down to my height. John Jackson on behalf of Jerry's Auto Body. I'm here this evening with Mr. Bill Stevens. He is the engineer and planner. Um our application is >> The mic isn't on.
>> It's not on. I'll start over. For the record, John Jackson on behalf of Jerry's Auto Body. I'm uh here this evening with Mr. Bill Stevens. Uh in order to be efficient with time, uh rather than go through an opening, with your permission, if I could have uh Mr. Stevens be sworn, he
will give an overview of the application and um then we'll just proceed. >> Please raise your right hand. Do you swear affirm the testimony you will give before the truth and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> And I know Mr. Jackson has stated your name. State your name. And
>> William Stevens, STENS. I am the vice president of professional design services, a professional engineer and a professional planner licensed to practice here in the state of New Jersey. I have been appearing in that capacity in front of this board for well a very long time.
>> Mr. Stevens, this board accepts your credentials. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair, and good evening. >> And thank you. As a matter of recordkeeping, we've handed out uh a PowerPoint consisting of six pages, which is uh essentially in lie of marking exhibits on the easel. Um I've
provided them to your IT department, so hopefully we'll be able to put them up on the screen. So, um with that housekeeping matter, will that be A1 or how do you number that? Um, are you asking for each slide to be
numbered differently? >> What I typically do is I mark it as uh exhibit A1 for example consisting of six pages. >> Then that's fine. We'll call that A1 consisting of six pages and then if you uh as you go through perhaps you can
identify which page. >> Thank you. Um, so uh Mr. Stevens, uh, with with the chair's permission, can you give the board an overview of the application, uh, state the use that's there, um, indicate the zone that we're in, uh, the relief that we're looking for, and then we'll go into the
specifics of the application. >> I'd be happy to. So, the subject property is known as lots 8, 9, 10, 15, 16, and 17 in block 2603. It is
roughly eight acres in size. the entire project. It is the property known as Jerry's auto body. >> And if we could go to slide three on the PowerPoint, I think that'll give a the board an overhead view with the uh boundaries outlined.
>> Great. >> This is an aerial photograph that was prepared by my office showing the subject property in the center of the map, highlighted in yellow. It is it is from a near mapap aerial photograph.
The property is is bounded on the the top of the map by right to bau road and on the bottom by west commodor boulevard. The picture you s saw on the opening of the slideshow was the facility looking from west commodor boulevard.
Thank you John. Thank you, Anthony. He's got the right one. You need a special one for the TV. >> Yeah, the TV. You need You need a special one. So, as I was saying, the properties bounded in the top by right to Road on the bottom West Commodore. The picture you were just looking at was
of the auto body office. It's located on West Commodore, but the property does have frontage from both West Commodore and and Enright Dau Road. Jerry's Auto Body is a longtime body shop here in town owned by Jerry Burke,
who is here with me this evening. I have been working for the Burke family for somewhere probably around 30 years. I think just about most people who live here in Jackson Township have a Jerry saved me story and I am part of that crew, which is part of the reason why
I'm here. Jerry has gone out of his way to be a good citizen here in town and has done a lot of really great things for Jackson Township. The property is currently utilized as an auto body shop, although there are some residences
located on the subject property as well. This project has been the subject of many, many zoning board applications over the years. It started off as a small mom and pop shop where Jerry and Angela were going to fix cars out of a
building that was located next to their house on Right to Bow Road. That's how this facility began and it is now grown into what I would call the premier or one of the premier auto body shops located in Ocean County certainly
in Jackson Township. So the application as I said they do auto body work here and there are also some residences. Now the property is unusual in that it is split zone. So there is a zone line that follows this
property line from north to south. The property located to the right is in the R3 zone and the property located to the left is in the highway commercial zone. >> If if we switch to slide five, uh you can see the line,
>> right? This map shows the subject property highlighted or shaded gray and then shows the zone line in between. And Anthony, I think just go back to that aerial photograph. that really is the uh the best exhibit for us to utilize today.
So, why why are we here today? We're here today because we're seeking to permit a building that was constructed without building permits. It is a metal pole barn about 18 feet in height and it is this white building located here at
the corner of this property. That is what why we're here. We're seeking to amend our prior approvals to allow that building to remain. There are some variances that are associated with that building. There are sideyard
setback variances for both the R3 and the highway commercial zone. Again, because the the zone line splits the building in half. Not unusual for this property. We have other buildings on site that have the zone line going through it. It ju it just is the way the
zoning is in town. The only person that is affected by the construction or the existence of this building is the residential home that is located just to the north on right to road and that is also owned by the Burke family. So there
there is no one outside of of the Burke family that is impacted by the development of this site. As you can see, other than that, surrounding the site, there really is good wooded buffers and the building itself, if you
look really hard, you could see it from right to bow road, but you'd have to know what you were looking for to see it. >> Thank you, Mr. Stevens. So, uh, can you just tell us how this evolved? How did we get here? What was, uh, Jerry's original intent with this building? How's it used now? Uh, and why, in your
view, is that appropriate for the use of the auto body shop as an overall entity? So, the the original intention for this building was was back when Jerry was doing a significant amount of of towing, police towing here in town and had some
real serious sizable tow trucks. Some of you might recall he had some of the largest tow trucks I've ever seen on this facility and he just he needed to get them out of the weather. It was wintertime and he put up the pole barn so that he could keep the vehicles inside. That towing operation doesn't
exist here any longer. in the building now is simply utilized sometimes during the auto body work. Two of the bays in the building are used as detail bays to detail cars that have already been repaired. After the repair process is done, they'll detail them in those
particular bays. And the other bays are utilized as a very specialty alignment shop. Something that's I'd have to have Mr. Bur explain it to if you want more details, but it's a process I really don't understand. Has something to do with lasers and whatnot,
how we get cars fixed so that they're back all pointed in the right direction. >> Thank you. And uh Mr. Stevens, what type of uh relief do we seek here? We're not building anything new. It's been there uh for dozen or so years. Correct. >> Correct. The building's been there since about approximately 2015.
>> And you've been to the site. We don't have any issues with drainage or runoff or anything like that? >> No. As far as I'm concerned, there are no engineering issues with the site. There is access around each and all of the buildings. Emergency access can get to every building on the site. The there
is pavement in the front of both of the office or let's call them offices here and here. There's pavement off of right to bow and off of West Commodore. And then the rest of the yard is basically a gravel yard. So in terms of um the variances though, we do need a use
variance because we're we got several uses going on here. Correct. And you also said the split zone line. Correct. Correct. So the use variance for this property is is complicated. We have been here many times. Uh just as an example,
the the original auto body shop was a permitted use in the zone, but Jerry's residence wasn't. He lives next door to the body shop on right to road. So we had to get the use varants to allow the residents to to remain. And then over the years the zoning has changed. In
those days I think it was all LM and now it's changed to what it is today. So in some cases we've needed variances use variances for the residential uses on the site and in some cases we have needed use variances for the auto body uses on the site. and we have a a host
of those variances that have been approved by this board and obviously the facility exists and is up and running. >> So in terms of the use of the facility, uh would you describe it as a uh you know neat and tidy operation and all the different uses work together very well and have for many years?
>> I I think so. As I said, I I see it as the premier body shop in this area and it's it's all that professional design services uses. to use them and they they have helped us many times over the 30 years that I've been working for Jerry. >> Right. So, let's take a look at the uh
review letters. Um so, I I suppose um we could start with the RVE letter. I just happen to have that one on top. October 15, 2025. Uh you have a copy of that, right? Authored by uh Mr. Peters. >> I do. Yes. >> And the uh firstformational
uh paragraphs on the first page, you don't have any issue with any of that, right? Uh just one slight correction there. There are only three single family homes on this property. There is the one the original Burke residence
on right to bow road which is this one with the swimming pool. There is another residence that's located on West Commodore next to the office. And then there's a third residence is located all the way in the back. And we came in this board saw that application.
Wow. I don't remember how many years ago. I'm sorry it is starting to blur together. But uh there was a house there originally. This one thing I didn't say is that this this property has been in the Burke family for 80 plus years. I think somewhere closing a hundred years.
So the facility has evolved. There was a house there located in that left rear corner of the property, but uh Jerry's son wanted to reside did reside there and they wanted to build a new home. they were having a baby and
you know families growing. So we came to this board and amended our use variance at that time to build that new home. So there's a new home that was constructed in the back of that. The other two homes were existing homes. >> All right. Thank you. So we have the applicant's owner uh the the materials
that Mr. Peters reviewed uh the use highway commercial and R3 we've addressed that uh we seek the use variance to uh construct a building. Um so so in the sense that this is a uh pre-existing non-conforming use uh either by being grandfathered or by
having various board approvals D1, D2, D3. Um we're we're technically expanding it by adding this building, >> right? I would call it an expansion of a non-conforming use. That is what we have here. So I would call it a AD2, but that's just me.
So, you know, it's difficult to characterize it. But either way, um do you see that this expansion in any way, you know, is detrimental to the zone or or somehow um you know, creates any kind of a negative. And we'll get to that more details in a minute.
>> But no, I don't see any negative. Just the opposite. The the building allows for the all the work on site to be done inside an enclosed building, which is a requirement of your zoning ordinance. So there there are benefits to having the building there and as I said earlier the
only people that are affected by this building are the Burke family themselves. >> So let's look um you know Mr. Peters then lists uh 3 through 12 all the the various thing that's requested. He says it's unclear which Dvarian is requested. So um we're requesting all the Dvarianes
um but like I said you know D1 non-conforming use um expansion of prior non-conforming use um etc. So I think it's at least probably um you can make an argument for either one of those. So we seek relief under both. Then under uh
B, automotive repair shop, Mr. Peters asked for testimony. No outdoor oil drainage pits or hydraulic lift pits were be permitted. Can we check that? >> That is correct. Yes. >> Um all repairs shall be in a fully enclosed building. Can we check that? >> Yes. All vehicles waiting repair will be
behind a solid fence or screened from the public eye or evergreen plantings as required by the planning board. >> Yes. >> Address that with testimony. No vehicle waiting repair shall be stored out of doors within the required front yard area check. >> Yes. >> Uh no gas pumps, right? >> No gas pumps. Correct.
>> Six. Five checks. Uh six junk or dilapidated vehicles. Uh we don't do that, right? >> No, this is not a junkyard. Vehicles here come here for repair. I mean they might look like junk when they get here but they leave looking brand new. >> So uh that sounds
we have um status conforms per conforms conforms and the variances are for the front yard setback building height. Can you address the two bottom items on Mr. Peter's table? >> So yes we we have a requirement for sideyard setback variances for the
building that we're talking about for for the existing building that's at the the point here. It's it's approximately 7 feet off of that property line, which would be a sideyard setback variance. Mr. Peters and I were talking about it briefly before the meeting and you know
I said we could have simply included that lot with this application and would have taken away those those setback variances. So although variances are required, they're fairly dimminimous because again they they they don't bother anyone. And then the the building
height, we're allowed 15 feet. We're looking for 18.1 feet and that's for your accessory building requirements. So, so we are seeking that variance for the building height. >> So, um >> I'm sorry. I just have a question on
this topic. Do you want to finish? And I'll ask later, Mr. Jackson. I don't want to interrupt your flow. >> I'm I'm sorry. What was that? I didn't catch it. >> I said I had a question. I could hold it if you're in the middle of flowing.
>> Whatever your pleasure is, Miss Cypriani. >> Just because I just like to because I had had a question and I and I think some of the board did about the fact that that lot was or that section was not included um because of just what you had said
regarding the side setback. Um, is that all held including the piece where the residential home in is that held in common ownership? Well, my question is really whether these lots have merged and whether it's as part may not be part of the application, but whether it's
part of the lot. >> Oh, sorry. And just if you hadn't heard, my question is whether that sort of triangular piece where the home is at the top that's not part of the application, but it may in fact already have merged and then it's just part of
the lot. So then there would not be a need for a side setback variance. >> So Miss Cyprien, I don't know if this helps or confuses things more. Although they are owned by the bird family, they are held in different names. >> That does make a difference >> from a legal standpoint. That's separate
ownership. Okay. >> Could I interrupt and continue? Um, on October 17, 2019, there were two deeds uh where the grantor was Jerry Burke and the grantee was a family
limited partnership. Uh, who who is the owner of the property legally right now? The partnership and also who is the principal >> and who is the contact.
>> We'll have uh Mr. Burke answer that. >> Sure. >> From a I know you're talking about a practical standpoint who controls it, >> but the legal entity listed on the deed is is we'll describe who the different >> I'm sorry I can't hear you.
>> I'm sorry. Um the the legal entity is shown on the deed is the owner and from a legal standpoint. Mr. Cypriani will confirm that. Mr. Burke could provide you the details of who controls it, who operates it, but the the status of the legal owner is per the deed. So Mr. Burke, you got a record.
>> Do you swear affirm that the testimony you'll give before this board is the truth and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> And if you could state your name for the record. >> Uh Jerry T. Burke. >> Thank you. The answer to your question, sir, is me and my two sons, I guess, own it. I'm the primary owner.
I I have like 90%. They each have 10. And the reason it was changed because it was simply put into a trust. >> I could see that. I just wanted to clear up. >> Yeah, it's it's all me and my two sons own it and I put it in a trust because obviously if I was to die, then you have
all kinds of complications and it just made it easier to leave it to them in a trust. Okay, that's and just to help our zoning office out, uh, who is the who is the approved contact in case there's a problem? >> I am.
>> Okay. And, um, it it says here that the limited partnership I wanted to get into how how these lots were created because you have lot 15,
which was one of them, and 16. But when it comes to lot 17, it seemed there was a a lot of pass through on that where the original lots were 17 uh30.4.04.03.05 and then they became lots 9 and 10 in
block 2603 and are these lots now all lot 17. Well, what happened was I'm hoping I'm answering your answer on the right dbo end. There was three or four lots when I originally bought it. I think it was three. And when I come in front of the board back then, which was 20 years ago,
maybe more, the township wanted me to consolidate those lots so they didn't have little messes all over the place. >> And then the lot off of uh Commodore, we've owned that for probably 75, 80 years, way before I was born. I know
that. And uh I think does that answers what you're looking for? I hope >> so. Lot was 17 was the combination consolidation of all those other >> to try to simplify the application back then.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Right. So we were uh going through Mr. Peter's review letter and I believe we had um talked about the variance issues. >> Mr. Jackson, if you could just speak to the microphone. >> I'm sorry. Um so
variance plan issues. Uh there's a discussion about that. We talked about the different uh zones that we're in. Compatibility with surrounding use and uses. I think Mr. I think you've uh addressed that. Uh mitigating factors for the use variance. Um he's addressed that. We're you know, not visible from
the road. We're surrounded by um trees and other buildings, etc. Is that correct, Mr. Stevens? You you've already addressed that mitigating factors. >> I think so. >> Uh we've addressed that the use will not be a detriment, won't detract from the
character of the neighborhood having been there for 80 years. Is that type of use? um that the adjacent property is adequately safeguarded. It's all under common ownership, suitable for the intended use. Being that it's in the middle of an auto body shop, we believe that's self-explanatory. Now, number
five, serve the best interest of the township. Can you address that and how the towing factors into that? >> I I think I can. As you know, as I said earlier, and am serious about that that everybody has a Jerry Burke save me story. So Jerry Jerry continues to serve
Jackson Township here and he he assists with the police towing here in town. He's not doing police towing anymore. Towing operations have gotten very small. But what he does is he receives vehicles from the police towing to either act as a repair facility to fix
cars that are in accidents. They get brought to Jerry's yard and also handles impound issues for the police department as well. So he continues to serve Jackson Township through through the work that he's doing here. So I I think that that certainly
adds to the the public good here. >> So we talked about drainage. You said there's no drainage issues, not adversely the safe flow of highway traffic. So this building doesn't really create any more traffic or busyiness to this site, right? >> It it does not. >> It just lets them do the work inside when you have to detail vehicles,
>> right? But it gives the employees a safe place to work. >> And then likewise when they do the alignment um the uh he talks about the variance testimony automobile repair shop. Um so I think we've addressed the rest of this. So uh variance plan and
waivers. Um again D1 or D2 we're we're seeking or both. Um and and the D1 is uh prior non-conforming use. D2 is is when it's expansion of a prior non-conforming use. So it's um difficult
I think to assess that because we do have Dvarianes for the entire site as Mr. Stevens has indicated. So I I think you can make an argument that it's both or either a D1 or D2. So um so m Mr. Stevens in terms of the
weighing of the positive and negative criteria you want to address that reasons for the variance. >> So I'd be happy to. So any the board well knows anytime that we have a a devariance, we need to show that it applies to a specific piece of property,
which obviously this does, and that that it can be linked to to some of the purposes of zoning. So looking at the purposes of zoning for for this application, I think we could could state point A which is to encourage municipal action to guide the
appropriate use or development of all lands in the state in a manner which will promote the public health, safety, morals and general welfare. And my response to that is that I think that this variance would promote the general welfare and that the structure will
allow the employees to work inside a fully enclosed building which in accordance with the conditions of your ordinance for an auto deal repair shop 244109 and also the civic use of assisting with the police towing
I think contributes to the general welfare. So I think we could use point A. I think we could also point to point G, which is to provide sufficient space in appropriate locations for a variety of commercial uses in order to meet the
needs of all New Jersey citizens. I think the need for this facility is is clearly shown and and we can just look at the some 30y year history here that it started out as a small mom and pop business and look at what it is now.
Now, it is a a thriving automobile repair shop here in Jackson Township. I think something that we can be proud of, and the grant of this variance would allow this business to continue and provide what I see as a muchneeded service to this community. So, that
would be the positive criteria. We also have to address the negative criteria to show that the variance is without substantial detriment to the public good. As I said earlier, the grant of this
variance, it only impacts lot 7, which is the adjoining residential home owned by the Berg family. So, it's easy to say there is no substantial detriment to the public good should the board grant its variance because it's not going to affect the public at all. >> But on the other hand, it runs with the
land and that lot could be sold. >> It could be. Yes, >> it could be, but the lot itself really is an integral part of the auto body business. So, it wouldn't be >> and yet not an integral part of this application. >> It is not. You are correct. Yes,
>> I agree. currently live in that home. >> I'd have to have Mr. Mr. Burke is indicating from the audience that no, that is not currently resided by one a member of the Burke family. We also have to show that it will not substantially impair the intent and
purpose of the zone plan or the zoning ordinance. And I I think again the facility exists. It is going to continue with or without this variance. So I think the grant of this variance to allow this accessory structure will not substantially impair the intent and purpose of the zone plan
and the zoning ordinance because as I said it it is there it is going to continue. It's an application for an accessory building and the building itself only enhances the present operation and in my opinion causes no substantial detriment. >> That's our uh that's our review of Mr.
Um, Peter's letter. I don't know if it's your custom to have Mr. Peters ask questions or if he'd like us to move on to Mr. Roers. >> Well, at this point, I don't have any questions. They've responded to the letter. Um, to the extent the board wants to go
through or ask any questions of the applicant's testimony, I'm happy to offer comments to the board with regards to that. Um, but at this point, I I'm going to hold off on comments until we get through the
entire testimony and perhaps the public and if the board has any questions, I'm happy to answer them as well. >> Any questions or comments? Martin. >> Yes. Thank you. Um, you said how long has that building been there? There was
a bunch of years that was thrown around. >> About 10 years, Mr. Martin. >> Been there for 10 years. >> About 10 years. Yes. >> Um, so why are you asking to get it legalized now? >> Mr. Burke received a notice from the zoning office and that is why we're here. >> From Oh, so the zoning office discovered
that. Um you you also made a statement that it's there now. It's been there for 10 years. Whether you get the permit or not, it's going to stay there. >> The use is going to continue. The use is permitted. We have the devarian is
necessary for the use for the residences that exist on site. We're asking the board to grant us approval to allow this building to remain. That's what we're ask. Right. If if the board were to deny this application, we would have to remove the building. >> You'd have to move the building so that it >> corrects it. >> Yeah. I'm sorry. I meant the the use the
facility will remain. Not the building. No, the >> we're here to ask >> the use. Yeah. Yeah. >> That the building remain. Correct. >> I'm still struggling a little bit with that property that we're not It's there, but >> the one that really this infringes on. Right. So, it's owned by the Burke
family, but it's not a Burke person. So, it's being rented out to to somebody different. on page five. Uh we might be able to get a better look at what that is. Right. Page five. >> It really comes down to that. I think >> which one? The the bright white one up
in the corner in the tip. >> Correct. You're talking about lot seven which is on right to Bo Road. It's a home next to the Burke residence which was here. >> Right. Right. Right. >> And that's controlled by the Burke family. In other words, they rented the tenants
>> currently controlled by the Burke family, right? >> They they rent it. They own it and rent it, >> right? Um >> so it's >> so so any detriment meaning value to that property because there's this big building right next to it. Um it's on
the Bould be borne by my client >> problem anyway. Yes. Right. >> And and we don't think it's a problem. I mean, you live behind a metal building. It's it's like a barrier in its own right. In a lot of ways, that's a buffer and a you know, you're almost better off with that there. You're looking against
a wall versus looking out across a a working busy uh yard that has tow trucks, that has impounds, that has, >> you know, mechanics, etc. So, we think putting this inside a building provides a better shield and barrier for that house in any event. >> Okay. All right. Um Okay. One last
question has nothing to do with it, actually. Is Burke the same Burke as Burke Road? Is it is it named after you guys? >> Right. You've been around. You've been around for a long time. Um, >> okay. That's the all the questions I
have. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um, so I had a question. We've addressed a couple times the Burke family property that's separate that's not on this application. The normal process when we're asking for a setbacks is did you reach out to the neighboring
property to purchase it? Were they willing to take care of this issue? If you could join this property with this. So here basically you're telling us that the property is owned by the Burke family. Um the applicant is the Burke family. Is there a reason why they can't
consolidate these lots to take care of this setback issue? Well, that would exacerbate the nonconformity because then we'd be adding yet another non-conforming use to the mother lot. So, we think that would be detrimental. Also, that uh principle that you're discussing um that applies to when
you're looking for a bulk variance for an undersized lot. The doctrine is that you have to seek to acquire property to eliminate the the the the hardship. The hardship you say, "I don't have enough room." and and and and you know in this case since the building's already there and since it's also that doctrine only
applies to adjoining residential properties it doesn't apply to commercial properties I think under the Dalmire case and on top of that when you do own the the property um through a related entity it might as well be a different person and we don't seek to consolidate it for for lot lots of
reasons um so that's how I'd respond >> right Mr. And I think that what you just said kind of gets to the heart of what the board's concern is that, you know, you have to treat it like it's a different person. Yes. >> And it someday could be a different person. And I I fully understand and I'm
sure the board does. This is a Burke family property. It's obviously Burke family operation. That's certainly not anticipated. I I understand that. But I think you know that that that is the concern that the board is asking to be addressed if that were to be sold. we
understand now that's not an issue but you know >> yes and and you know it just as you know someone who's not here as often as Mr. Stevens, it's kind of odd that this is a non-conforming use being that it's been there for 100 years and it's so integral to the community. So, anybody who buys it,
>> it's also odd that we can't understand what you're saying because you're not speaking to your mic. >> I don't know how that's happening here. >> That means I get to think about what I just said and maybe uh fix it. The um >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. you know that
this is a longstanding non-conforming use, but it's integral to the community and anybody who buys that house buys it from Mr. Burke. If somebody else, they would know what the condition is and they would take that into account on determining what they wanted to pay for the house and it wouldn't be a surprise
to them. So, you know, we we think that the the scale tilts in favor of uh approving this. We're hopeful that the board views it the same way. >> So, you. Thank you for addressing that. Um, the next thing I had was it was mentioned that it's not a junkyard, that
you don't store vehicles that are only meant to be repaired. Um, I was there today on the property and I saw that the there's a fully burnt vehicle sitting there. Um, so that's not going to be repaired. That's now and then the second
part of that is that you mentioned that you tow vehicles for the police department or for the town. Um just we could get some kind of clarification. We'll clarify that >> what that kind of contract is and if we're even allowed to hear this in front
of this board if you're contracted with the town. I just for clarity purposes. >> Yeah. Well, the car you saw that was burnt had just recently come in. Really, no car stays on the property more than 30 days. Um we do tow for the town. Um impounds have to stay there until the
police department release them. If you were there today, you saw a large trailer sitting there. Correct. >> That was towed in about four days ago. The police department caught somebody going down the road with a full-size house that shouldn't have been allowed on the road. That will be out of there
with probably within 15 days because anything that large, we try to get out of there immediately. But really, no car sits on the property more than 30 days at max. >> Okay. >> And if you were there, I think you'll see that the property was kept pretty clean.
I'm sorry. So, I'll just open up. So, Mr. Ryan was just asking me if we're allowed to hear the application because the uh contract with the town. The answer is yes. Um the contracts that are put out um in this way. There's a they're for towing. There's a rotating
list um and the things about to bid. There's no um the fact that they do work for the town is not something that the board can consider um as for giving favorable treatment but it also does not create any kind of barrier. >> Thank you for the clarity.
>> With that said we think it it is part of the positive criteria though because >> yes we know you did you said so. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> I just have a couple of questions to go back to the uh bond. Uh you had stated
before that it it straddles the line and part is in the R3 zone and part is in the highway commercial zone. Uh what lots do do they does a pole bond occupy? >> Mr. Stevens could address that with the pointer and the and the lot designations
are right there. So he can we'll switch back and forth between that slide and then the one that shows the actual building. >> I'm not sure I understood your question, Mr. Hosting, but the zone line runs right through the middle of the property. So, the shaded properties along right to Bow Road, they are in the
R3 zone. The shaded properties on on the left side of the of the line, they're in the highway commercial zone. Does that answer your question? >> But I want you to know what lots the building is in. >> So, is it lots 15, 16, and 17? Is
>> So, the building straddles a line between existing lot eight and lot 17. It's on both lots. So what would happen to the building if one lot was sold? >> It couldn't be.
>> No, this this facility is a compound. If it were to be sold, it would be sold as a whole. >> Okay. And uh you had also stated that uh you did not receive building permits uh for the pole bond and I assume it didn't
receive a final inspection either. Uh would it be possible for you to provide a final inspection so we could have on record that it's a safe a safe building? >> We would uh require as a condition of approval that this get its inspections
and get everything passed. A zoning approval does not give the habitability approval that would be required by the by the township. So Mr. Stevens, so you know, >> Mr. If if this board were to approve this variance, we would have to come back
into the zoning department for a building permit essentially for this building and it would go through all the necessary inspections before it was approved and able to be occupied. >> Thank you, >> Madam Chair. >> I just have to follow up. I almost hope someone wouldn't have asked the question
that just got asked, but Mr. Stevens, on your cover sheet, there's a list of property owners within 200 feet. Um, it appears that of the six lots that make up this property, three of them are owned by one entity and three are owned by another. Is that correct? >> The list would be what we receive from
the township. >> Your client owns a property. Are three lots owned by one entity and three owned by another entity of these six? >> But they're in separate entities. Meaning at some point you could sell
three of the lots and sell the other three lots because three of the lots appear to be in something called JRJ459 right family LP. That's great. Three others seem to be in JRJ456 West Commodore family LP.
>> Okay. >> I'm sorry if we just >> He answered the question. >> He answered the question. My concern simply is that there's nothing so far that stops one of those entities from selling the property irrespective of the
other entity. So to Mr. Hoffstein's comment, perhaps as part of the approval, there has to be something that says if one of these lots is inad is is sold, something has to happen with the building. Whether it's a an easement,
someone comes back before the board, there has to be some administrative function because the building appears to be on two different entities properties. If that makes sense. >> Sir, if I may, I'm I'm more than willing
to stipulate that under no circumstances could they ever be sold as a separate lot. >> There you go. >> I have no problem with that because I have no >> Because that sort of goes back to Mr. to someone else's question about consolidating. I said I have no problem agreeing to that if the property was ever sold that they would have to be
sold as a com a combined unit that they could not be sold separately >> or the building would have to be eliminated. >> I have no problem with that. >> And so we're speaking about lots eight and 17. >> The whole property. Yes. I I would be willing to agree that if it was sold, it had to be sold as a complete
>> Okay. >> All six lots. But Mr. Jackson, you added something that I missed. I I just had said well I thought we were just talking about the two lots that we straddled if they were ever sold separately that they would have to uh be um the building would have to be >> Oh no they were Mr. Peters was pointing
out that three of the lots are under >> the JRJ459 the other three under JRJ456. So Mr. Burke just stipulated it would have to be we'd have to sell it as a whole properly and and you know I'm I'm sure your planner or your um board attorney could confirm this but under
the law if you eliminate a lot from a non-conforming use and we have one big non-conforming use that's actually considered an exacerbation of a non-conforming use and that required it triggers another DV variance. So, you really can't sell one off otherwise >> except that selling it doesn't require nothing there's nothing in your business
that stops someone from selling a property and makes them go see the zoning officer before they close. >> But we'll agree to that stipulation. It would have to be sold as >> with respect to Mr. Hostin's question. I just wanted to make and I apologize that it sounds like nitpicking, but I think it's just it makes the administrative record clear.
>> Thank you, Mr. >> So, Mr. Hosting, he had a comment about the property being across two property lines. For the purposes of the building staying, they've agreed that it would if they sold the property, they'd sell them all. >> Fair enough. >> Yep. >> Thank you. I apologize for interrupting.
>> No, >> Mr. Chmer, >> are there any plans? Hopefully, I can ask this. Are there any plans to sell the property? >> The um At the moment, I can't tell you what the future's going to be. I've retired and
my son is working it. So, um, I don't know how much longer he's going to want to do it. I I really couldn't say. There's no no plans not to sell. You know what I'm saying? I want to be perfectly honest here. >> Okay. So, anything's possible. Just
>> Right. Exactly. I mean, we've had it for 80 years. So, and I think all of you up there know enough that when you got the younger generation, I can't tell you what they're going to do for sure. >> I don't know if you could even afford to stay in business the way prices are >> if they keep it running. That's the other thing, too. Yes.
>> No, I get that. And just a clarification, which will help you, the car that they're talking about, anything that comes in is that basically you're at the mercy of the insurance company for them to authorize repair, total salvage.
>> Correct. So once the once the insurance company settles on it, it becomes their property and it's removed in a short period of time. >> Right. And the insurance and it's in the insurance's interest if it's a total, they want it out of there because of storage. So Right. They're not paying you. >> Yeah. They they want the car gone. No car stays there long. And the gentleman
that was there today, I think he can attest that we keep the property super clean. Uh it's it's in my interest if I did want to sell or do sell, it ain't going to help me to have a, you know, a filthy place. >> No, exactly. I I understand the business. That's why I just wanted it on record clearly that it's not a junkyard
and what you're doing so I understood so maybe it's a better explanation for everybody. >> Thank you, Jerry. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Just one more, >> Mr. I just noticed a propane tank behind the uh structure today. I was wondering if that requires any distance for safety
purposes or if that there's any kind of variance necessary for that. So there there is a propane tank behind the building used to to heat the building. We will again agree to obtain any and all necessary permits for it to remain.
>> My question was is that require any variances for the distance to the property? >> Not to the best of my knowledge. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So that would be uh our conclusion of the review of Mr. Peters. >> I I have one question.
Um, and we're going back to the building where it infringes upon the residential section. What is in that lot today? Because you have the you have a residential house in the middle lot and you have a residential house in the V.
>> Right. So, the house that we were talking about that that's on lot seven, there is a house that's in the front up along right to Bow Road. And then Anthony, if we go back to the aerial photograph, maybe that would show this better, help answer the question. >> But is is there a not not in the V in
the lot next to the V is there? That's a residential zone. What is in there right now? >> So there's a house here that is outside of the project and there's a second house that's here. You can see the pool >> and in in between is what I'm trying to get at >> in in between there. >> Yes.
Because you have you have multiple lots drawn. So, in between the house where the pool is and where the V starts, what is in between there? >> There there really isn't anything there. >> Looks like Yeah, it looks like there's cars there. That's why I was asking.
>> Okay, so that that's what I'm trying to get at. >> And that's the part that screen parking basically. Yes. >> Okay. That's that's what I was just trying to >> Yeah. Just to clarify, I was there today um in that lot. There was a bunch of
minivans parked there. A bunch of out of state license plates. Looks like they're part of the Is that part of the rental company? >> Is that Enterprise? That's >> Yes. Yeah. That's what it looked like. It looked like it was part of Enterprise. >> Thank you. >> It's part of Enterprise. Any
more questions? >> So, that's a review of Mr. Peter's letter. Um, as far as Mr. Roier's letter, I think he covers everything on there. There's one thing about the site plan. We're seeking a waiver of that. We're not seeking uh So, Mr. Stevens, you want to address that? >> Right. That was the only I think the only thing we were asking for some
relief from in Mr. Roier's letter was having to come back for a site plan. Obviously, all the improvements have already been constructed. We're not proposing to change anything. I think going through the building department, getting the permits necessary for this building, I think should suffice the
board that it's a safe facility and and can continue. Coming back for a site plan application is a a lengthy, time consuming, and expensive process. We would simply ask for a waiver of that because we're not proposing any further improvements.
Mr. Roar. >> Yes. Uh, in regards to the site plan, I I feel that's reasonable to request a waiver since the applicant has provided testimony that the site has existed, it's already received numerous previous approvals, and it's properly functioning
per the applicant's engineer's testimony. Um, if the applicant's engineer, can you just please confirm the pole the structure? We're talking about the pole barn. Can you confirm that you have adequate room to maintain around the structure, access the
structure, and it's properly lit for the use? It >> it is, Mr. Omar. There is access all around the building. There is adequate lighting for the use that is there now, and in my opinion, it is a safe operation. I've been to the site many times.
>> Okay. And the building height is listed on the architectural plans to the peak of 18t 1 in. Can you confirm that's the best you're on? Uh, >> that is correct. Yes, we measured it. >> Okay. From an engineering standpoint, that's all I have. Thank you.
>> Any additional questions or comments? All right, we're going to go ahead and open it to the public at this time for anyone wishing to come forward and ask any questions of Mr. Stevens regarding the project that you've heard this evening. Seeing no one come forward, I'm going to
go ahead and close public session. Do you have a closing statement for us, Mr. Jackson? >> Been an institution in Jackson for decades and we're hopeful that the board sees the benefits of this application. It's invisible from the road. It helps the operation and we're hopeful the
board will allow Jerry's to continue. Thank you. Okay, since we've had our closing statement, I'll again give uh I'll open it to the public. Giving anyone willing to wishing to come forward to make a comment this evening, please do so at
this time. Seeing no one come forward, we're going to go ahead and close public session. Board, it's up to us for discussion. >> And uh just as a preliminary, the sort of conditions or stipulations that were referred or and stipulations referred to
is that vehicles do not stay there for more than 30 days. Um their representation admitted would be a condition that they would have to obtain a building permit and the related have the related inspections and that would include the propane tank being used for
heating uh the building and that if one of the lots is sold um that all of the six lots would have to be sold and that in is in recognition of the fact that three of the lots are owned by one entity and three lots owned by another
entity. And uh you also heard the testimony on the positive and negative criterion and the special reasons. >> Jean, did you include the height variance? >> Yes. So the variances that are requested
are the uh use variance which would be I agree it's an expansion of a pre-exist non-conforming use. Um there that's the D variance. for the C variances. It's the sideyard yard setback as the testimony was. This is a uh straddles
two zones, highway commercial and the R3 which have um differing setbacks. One of 25 ft, one of 50 feet. In this case, the side setback is only seven feet. That was uh we heard a lot of uh we had questions and and heard a lot of
testimony regarding um the appropriateness of that given the uh relationship of the house to the uh business properties for the building height. Um in the HC zone it's a 15 foot
height limitation. Um in the R3 it's 25 ft. This structure is proposed at 18.1 and there was also a request for a waiver not need a site plan because everything is already uh existing and no more further improvements are
contemplated which Mr. Roier agreed was reasonable under the circumstances. >> Any comments? Since there are no comments, I would make a motion to approve as per all the information that Mr. Briani is putting
into the resolution. >> So, I would second that. I just wanted to say that I found it to be consistent with the master plan. I don't see the detriment that meets the positive all the requirements. Um, and therefore, I would second the motion. Any additional comments before we move
forward? We have a motion and a second to approve the um variance as stated by Miss Cyprieni and all the stipulations. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Heyman, >> yes. >> Mr. Martins, >> yes. >> Mr. Tremor,
>> yes. >> Miss Kusano, >> yes. >> Mr. Seleia, >> yes. >> Dr. Hoffstein, >> yes. >> Miss Bradley, >> yes. >> Your variances have been granted. Thank you very much on behalf of the Burke family.
>> Yes, I know what you're gonna ask. Yes, I do. >> Thank you. >> You guys want to take a break before we start the next one? >> Yes, please. >> We will move on to applicant number three. Uh, but we are going to take a 10-minute break before we get started.
Just to make note, that clock on the back wall is incorrect. >> It did not fall back. It is 8:00. >> So, we will start at 8:10. Mr. Fury, applicant number three, Cardonali and Jackson Crossing number
two, Adventure Crossing amended preliminary and final site plan 776-6 phase one CD and F. >> Good evening, Madam Chair, members of board Salvatore Alfury, Clearary G, Kobe, Alfie, and Jacobs on behalf of the
applicant. Um, I just want to get a little procedural things out of the way if I can. You want me to start? >> Yes, please start. So we uh were and and there's some members here who in looking at the transcripts weren't here for all the meetings. So at some point before
the board acts we got to make sure they sign certifications and read the >> yes >> listen to the tape. I do have transcripts if the board wants transcripts. Um but >> Mr. I think the transcripts would be very helpful. Okay. >> Um we uh as you pointed out and I said
to start with but we do have a number of board uh new board members. they are aware and have uh been reviewing and all Oh, I just wanted to piggyback off what you said. Uh Mr. Alfuri, is there any
way we can get those transcripts in maybe a PDF form and we can disseminate them to the board members as needed? >> We'll email them over. >> Great. Thank you so much. >> And Mr. Ali, just so you know, I spent election night watching all the videos of your application. >> You were here live. I've seen you. >> Not on all of them, but I
>> not in this capacity. I was watching them all last night. So I heard >> we give the board members an opportunity to watch uh as you know we are recorded and saved on the YouTube channel. Uh we give the board members opportunity to watch get up to date on previous hearings and then we certify them with
uh notorized documentation that they they did watch previous meetings. >> Thank so yes. So we were here in March initially then in July we didn't present any testimony. We just had legal arguments on dens on the density issue that some at some point the board will act on. And then we were here again in
September. At that time, if the board recalls, we uh at first bifurcated the application and voted on the hotel. And then we had limited time for Mr. Bordon to present the history of the site um as it evolved over from inception to try
and support the density discussion when you get to that. And then we were carried to tonight. We have a Ernie's report is from February still. There's been no new ones, I believe. Is that correct, Ernie? Right. >> And then we have the the latest CME
report is from July of this year and that gets us to today. So I and at some point we're never going to finish the application tonight for obvious reasons, but we do have four witnesses that we are going to present during the whether it's tonight or some future date. Mr. Bordon, we have an architect, we have an
engineer, and we have a traffic engineer. Um, so we'll get to whatever we can get to as we go. Um, and at some point before and then the last witness will be Mr. Bordon again as a planner and before he testifies, we're going to
have to have that density determination made so we know what kind of proofs we need to put on from a planning perspective. >> Yes, Mr. Ry, as you and I had discussed, um, we do have the board new board members. They've really been trying very hard to get up to speed on the density issue which is really a legal
determination that the board is going to have to make. I think that they're aware of the basic issue on that. My intention as I discussed with you um was to review that um and then uh provide them with uh
you know a written guidance which will also be obviously provided to you so that you have everything that they're to consider and then it's anticipated that the next meeting following this one when this application is heard that determination will be made. >> That's perfect. Thank you. So um Mr.
Bordon has been sworn in and qualified in this particular application. So I'd like to just introduce him and confirm. Mr. Bordon, you you understand you remain under oath. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, as you heard my summary, you presented the history of the site and we
really didn't get into detail of the actual site plan that's proposed tonight. And so would I'd like you to run through that. And I'm not sure Anthony has the exhibits and many of them were pre-marked. I assume you use the same exhibits. >> I'm a little tired. So, I thought I'd
redo the history because that'll put me to sleep. >> Oh, again. >> U Yes. If we could start, Anthony, with exhibit A4. That's an aerial photograph. Yep. Keep going.
Skip right over the history. Day three was the history that we did at the September meeting. Probably about five more. Anthony, I think we go back one. There we go. Okay. So, this is exhibit A4. So, we're just going to st jump right into talking about the project and
uh where it exists currently and what we're proposing with the amendments to phase one. So, this aerial photograph is the site as as it exists today. This this aerial is dated approximately in March of of this year. And what you see
is Mammoth Road north is to the uh top Mammoth Road is along the top. 195 is on the top right corner. Anderson Road on the right. and the site marked in in black and you see phase one in the center. So what we have
is u phase A which is the u the portions of the site that remain unchanged are phase A which is the 7-Eleven, Taco Bell, Popeye's and the uh Panda Express and the other multi-tenant building. In the front we have the athletic fields in
the back. We have the aird dome. Uh so it's A B was the aird dome, C being B in the athletic fields. A and C remain unchanged, were not proposed. They're existing without modification. We have D which is the hotel, the
relocated hotel site up in uh the northeastern corner on Mammoth Road that was granted and amended site plan approval in the September 3 meeting. And now what we are talking about is basically the central portion of the site. We are seeking to modify phase C.
Um modify phase E and and F. And now I'll get into that with some >> I'm sorry, Mr. B. I just want to clar I thought you said A and C remain unchanged. >> Uh I think I misspoke. A and B. I'm sorry. >> Yes, A and B. I'm sorry.
Okay. So, uh if you don't mind, go to the next slide, Anthony. So this is A5. Uh this is the amended site plan that was submitted to the board. And if you don't mind, Anthony, zoom in in the center part here. So our proposed amendments are phase C.
Uh what you see in brown is the aird dome and the building in front that are currently constructed. In white in front of the building is a a expansion of the commercial building towards uh the main access drive to Pine Drive extension. Uh
that extension of the commercial building is already approved. That was included in our 2021 site plan amendment. So that is approved. What we are doing though and what we are proposing to amend with this application is the the mar one of the three hotels
on the property is a Marriott hotel that was located over in phase E. We're proposing to relocate that to the top of of that commercial building in phase C. So we're simply relocating the hotel from phase E to phase C.
uh actually have separate exhibits for these. I didn't It's been so long since I prepared this. So, if you could Yes, if you could go to the next slide, please Anthony,
and scroll down. Right. So this is exhibit uh um this is exhibit uh A5- uh one. Uh that illustrates what I just described. Uh here we have on the left
this is the approved plan. These next couple slides will have approved on the left and proposed on the right. Here we have the um again the aird dome and the the front commercial building that exists. This blue building's already been approved. That's the commercial expansion I mentioned included in the
2021 amended approval. And then here and you see here this is the Marriott Hotel in white black with the black outline. And and in the right is the proposed plan where that Marriott on the left moves to the top of the blue uh
commercial expansion. So then we go to exhibit a uh the next one please Anthony. Exhibit uh A5-2. This is the hotel D that was approved in September 3rd. So this is exhibit A5-2
which no longer applies because that's been approved. So we'll move on to A5-3. Is that one that that just that's just illustrating the hotel moving from the side to the top. So that I discussed that in the
A5-1. So please go to A5-4. >> I'm sorry, Mr. W. I just want to clarify. So it's moving to the top of the existing. >> Correct. So on the left here is where it's located now, >> right? >> And then um on the right is the proposed that's moving to the top of the commercial building,
>> but that's that top the bottom of that's not built yet. >> That's correct. So >> So there'll be commercial on the bottom and the hotel above. >> One floor commercial with the hotel above. That's correct. >> Thank you. >> So both are approved, but they're not approved together. >> Um
>> how tall is that building going to be? Uh the maximum height for that's actually part of the plan tells me I'm going to get into later, but the maximum height of that building is 90 ft. The height is less than that. So that's actually one of the questions in the planners report about the height of that building and it will be my they he asks
the question in his review the same question and and my testimony is and will be that uh there is no variance required for that height. Move to the next one please Anthony. This one confuses me a little bit. >> We're going to go to the next one,
Anthony. That one doesn't doesn't apply. All right. Here we have this is a uh five-6. Um >> that's a seven. >> We have uh in the area >> seven, >> Mr. Bordon. That's seven, right?
>> That's 857. >> Well, my notes I'm sorry, my notes are wrong. On my notes, I have it as A56. So, I didn't bring a copy of that, so I apologize. But, um, so this area between the, uh, aird dome and
the athletic fields, which are in green on the bottom, again, the approved is on the left side here. These two blue buildings were the medical research building and the medical campus. Uh, those are being removed from the site. We are moving those to another site. This is an aerial on the This is not
part of the application. I'm just explaining uh the steps here. This will be a subsequent application to uh the appropriate land use board. We have not prepared the site plan yet, but the the medical research and medical score relocating to another property owned by
the applicant which is next to Six Flags Boulevard. This is approximately a half mile west of the site. You see the Six Flags parking lot, the main access drive here. Um and uh there's a piece of property there. So that just to show you
what the what the u moving uh pieces are. But that that that will be a subsequent application. Next, please Anthony. So now now we get into phase E and that's really the heart and meat of of this application, the larger part of it
and that is uh this this portion of the site uh phase uh had been occupied with a convention center, the Marriott hotel, the Hilton Hotel and a parking garage. All of those four things were in this this area. And what we're proposing in
this area is our new mixeduse project. So what this slide illustrates is the blue is the ground floor commercial area and the architect will provide testimony on on more details of that. But but that's the uh commercial.
Um and then if you go to the next slide please Anthony. And then the uh the a hotel was placed uh above in this area as well. Uh this hotel arises from phase four. We had a hotel approved in phase four. Phase four
has been approved for town houses, but that hotel is relocating to phase one in this location. And and this is a large multi-use building. These two slides in the next slide just show little pieces of it and and the architect Steuart Johnson will
provide more testimony on on how that looks and how that all fits together. And then and then the last >> I'm sorry, Mr. Bordon. That blue hotel, is that the one that was approved >> in phase four? >> Okay. But that was the one that was approved
in September. >> No, different. >> No. So, >> all right. >> There there's >> there's three hotels currently approved on the site or or had been approved on the site and we're keeping those three hotels. We have the the Hilton Hotel which has moved up to phase D. That was
approved in September. >> Thank you. We have the Marriott which is moved from from phase Z to phase C on top of the commercial. And then we have the third hotel which is originally approved in phase 4 down in in this area and we're moving that to
the large mixeduse building in in phase one. >> We haven't identified that hotel yet. I noticed you said Hilton and Marriott for the other >> to my knowledge. No, >> I'm sorry. >> I I believe it we're looking at at Hilton. Hilton has different brands. So I believe it I believe it's a hill.
>> Thank you. >> Um and then the next next and this is the uh the final. So and now what we have here and these all tie together. You have the commercial on the ground floor. Uh these are the residential and subsequent
floors above. So this is our residential uh apartments and then the hotel was is in the center on the previous slide. Um and again they all knit together architecturally and the architect will provide testimony about that.
So just as a brief summary of phase one, uh phase one now proposes commercial uses totaling 237,86 ft, three hotels, um 641 residential apartments
with uh with affordable housing in accordance with the ordinance. We have the athletic fields that remain in the back of the site in phase B. Uh there's a total of 4,98 parking spaces with two parking structures. I I kind of skipped
over one part which is the area that that is uh currently approved for the medical research and medical campus between the aird dome and the fields is proposed now to be a parking structure. So there's two parking structures. One
standalone which is being moved again. It's already approved in phase E. We're moving it to phase F. And then uh we have another one, a second one being added as part of the multi-use at the rear of phase E.
Again, that's part of the architecture. So, between the two parking decks and all the uh all the grade parking, uh we have 4,98 uh parking spaces. Yes, Miss Tumalo. >> Hey, Ian. Uh, just sorry if this is uh
too much of an ask, but do you have like a a synopsis breakdown of all the phases you just described? >> Yes. If you go to the next >> I don't know if that would benefit at all, but that would definitely benefit me. >> No, it's fine. the overall site plan and if you go to the next slide I believe
Anthony if I'm correct >> because I'm I have uh the transcript pulled up from our 93 meeting >> and I know there was just some changes made so um I just want to make sure that you know all the documents are >> you asking for the phase one itself or the entire
>> um >> because this is phase one that's on the screen now >> so he Ian just mentioned three hotels 641 residential apartments athletic fields two parking structures with correct 498 eight parking stalls >> and and I just had Anthony, thank you. Pulled up exhibit A.
>> I just happen to lend my paperwork to Miss Cusano, so I I don't have the uh file in front of me, but I didn't know there if there was like a >> synopsis breakdown of of the phases and what's proposed >> and and there is >> Do you have that like a like what was originally? >> It's kind of hard for me to read. My apologies, Ian. What was originally
approved versus what the requests are? The change requests. >> Well, that wouldn't be on one plan. Okay. Right. I didn't know if you had Oh, you have that. >> Uh that's actually in the if you This is uh exhibit A6-1, which is the overall
site plan, G4 of 32 >> that was submitted to the board. U and on the right uh it shows all the proposed uh buildings that we just talked through one at a time, right? And then on the right side you have a summary of all the uses, all the heights of the buildings, all the parking
required for the buildings. And in the bottom right in these notes is a detailed explanation, Gina, as you had requested that what I just explained about adding and moving is all summarized in these in these notes. >> He was nice, Mr. Mer was nice enough to
point that out for me on the plans. Like I said, I lent mine out. My apologies and it's hard for me to read the >> um and just to clarify my last question. Uh, you said we're replacing the originally proposed medical research facility with a parking structure. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you.
Okay. So, let's tie these back to the zoning that that is in place and touch on that. I don't want to get into the planning testimony because as Mr. Alferi said that'll follow the other professionals testimony but uh as the board knows this is located in the HCMU
zone how commercial mixuse zone that allows uh various commercial uses and residential use. Um it permits the multif family residential uh units. I will not get into the density. We'll leave that for the planning testimony
um once the other professionals testify. I do want to get into uh the commercial uses. The uh hotels um are a conditional use in the highway commercial zone which are permitted in the HCMU zone and there's various conditions of those
uses. U each of the two proposed hotels to each of the two hotels that we're seeking approval from now meet the conditions of those uses. This this quickly this testimony will mimic the testimony I gave at the September 3
meeting for for the hotel that was approved in phase D along Armouth Road. And uh those those requirements are lot area, lot width, frontage, depth, and building coverage. Uh the required lot area for a hotel is two acres. Lot width
is 200 feet. Lot frontage is 200 feet. Lot depth is 200 feet. And the maximum building coverage is what's permitted in the zone. Uh phase one in total will comply with with all of those things. The the track the area of the site is obviously much larger than 2 acres and
it has a width, frontage and depth of more than 200 ft. The uh the secondly under B this is under 244124 of the ordinance. Uh we have the principal building minimum requirements as far as setbacks. We are are required to comply with the minimum
front side and rear setbacks in the zone. We comply with that. Uh the height of the building must comply with the zone uh with the understanding that the uh HCMU zone allows a maximum height of 90 ft. We're allowed to uh increase the
height of any building, hotel or any other building by one foot for every 10 feet of uh additional uh front setback that is provided. Uh the two hotels that we have proposed in phase C on top of the commercial
building as well as part of the uh mixeduse property all have sufficient setback to maximize the height at 90 ft and each of them has a height of less than 90 ft. So no no no no no D6 height varianc is required for that.
Uh we have the parking garage we have again two now we have we had received in their 2021 approval of D. It was determined by a board at that time that a parking garage is not listed as a strictly a permitted use in the zone. Um
obviously parking is permitted but but a parking structure was not specifically included in the ordinance language. So, we did receive a D1 variance for a parking garage in the 2021 approval that is located in the same location that a
garage is proposed as part of the mixed use. Um, we are however adding a second parking garage in the area where the medical research is located and that will require a separate or a second uh D1 variance. U I'm just identifying that
for purposes of testimony at the moment. We'll we'll as Mr. Ferry said, "We'll do the planning uh testimony um later in the U once you have professionals have testified."
I think this uh I can Okay. uh from a site plan from a site planning perspective the site as is already developed the the as as noted in that aerial that we did in the uh in
earlier the exhibit uh most of the most of the work being performed in phase one is in the phase E area with the mixed use again that was previously approved for two hotels convention and parking and that site that that had been completely
disturbed and all of the surfaces are impervious with either gravel or pavement. Some of the some of the permanent pave or parking was constructed in that area. The remaining part of that area was graded and and covered with with gravel,
much of which is also used for parking currently. So, uh from a land use condition change, we're not adding impervious area. We're we're simply uh quote redeveloping an already approved and developed uh uh property. Um, we do
provide lighting in accordance with the ordinance. Uh, landscaping in accordance with the ordinance. The landscaping of the mixeduse zone or I'm sorry, the mixeduse area is is a because we have different levels of buildings with what they call podium decks, which are
concrete decks located above the ground. That's really a function of the architectural testimony. So, Mr. Johnson, the architect, will get into that with his exhibits. He has a whole series of of renderings that'll follow mine. They're a separate uh exhibit
numbered consecutively that that he'll go through. Uh all of the storm water management for the entire property has already been constructed. The sewer and water have all been constructed. So, u this really is a redevelopment project where we're taking a site that's already developed and we're modifying it for
these proposed uses. >> So, a couple follow-ups. Can you you mentioned that we're going to provide affordable housing units per the ordinance. Can you give a little more detail on what that means? >> Yes. The ordinance requires uh that 10% of the u of the number of residential
units uh be affordable housing. The affordable housing is specifically required to be special needs affordable housing. Uh we are proposing um uh we are we will comply with that 10%.
>> And that they'll be located within the apartment buildings themselves. >> Correct. They're not segregated. >> They're not a segregated. They're integrated into the apartments as part of the mixeduse structure in phase. >> Um in terms of the EV space uh
requirements under the statute, we're going to comply with that. >> Yes, we'll comply with that. All of Yes. Um, there's a reference in Mr. Peter's report that's that we've had dealt with previously, but but it's in the report.
And I just want to make sure we were going to use some of this phase one for parking for a paintball facility on phase three and four, and we had agreed as part of the three and four approval that there would not be paintball. So, that comment is no longer relevant this phase one. Correct. >> Uh, that's correct.
>> Um, signage, we're not proposing any new freestanding signs. Uh that is correct. >> So there the ones that are Can you just point out to the board what's been constructed and what's been approved but not yet constructed? >> Yes. So there there is a uh large billboard sign that's been animated
billboard sign that's been constructed in front of the 7-Eleven on the uh southwest corner of Mammoth Road in the Pine Drive extension. That will remain unchanged. There are smaller uh ground sign tenant uh signs for the four
buildings along in phase A as well as hotel D. Uh there are approvals from 2021 that remain in place for another animated sign in the northeastern corner uh close to the jug handle to Route 195
as well as a large sign at the rear of phase 2 along Route 195. Those two signs have not been constructed yet, but they are in the 20 They're approved in the 2021 approval and remain unchanged. >> The 7-Eleven got an approval here also
for the gas. >> I didn't hear that. >> So, I said the 7-Eleven, I believe, on the site also got an approval for signage. >> Well, that that was part of the overall project. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They they they have a monument sign for their gas prices as well as the 7-Eleven. Yes.
And um I guess one final question since the site from a site improvement point of view is pretty much developed. Um RVE did a report dated February 27th. Are there any technical comments that you feel like we cannot address assuming
this were approved as condition? >> Uh there is not uh there's additional testimony that I'm going to give after the other professionals go. uh Remington Vernick identifies uh a list of variances that they believe are required and uh I'm going to go through them
point by point uh as part of my planning testimony. >> But but to keep the site plan going, I think it's best to get the traffic and the architecture and then we'll I'll return to that and go through the planning testimony including a point
bypoint review of the Remington and Vernon com items at the end. >> You have any questions? Yes. Uh >> you refer to the affordable housing 10%. Uh these are special needs uh needs
apartments. >> Yes. >> And they will be special needs will be in in the same building. >> Yes. >> Will they all be in one one area? >> I'm sorry. Will they all be in one area?
>> I'll let the architect testify to that. I I believe they will be, but let's let the architect testify to that. Please, Dr. >> Because it would be impossible for for them to manage uh if they're spread all throughout, >> right? Please remember that we have my when I say we, I mean my client uh
because I'm we're the site planners and engineers, you know, but they have a lot of experience dealing with special needs housing. We've my client has built one in Manalopin as part of a project up there and we have the one we're working on in phase three and four. So it it is
specialized housing with how the bedrooms are set up and uh so there's caregivers associated with them. Uh but I'll let the architect address that question. >> Any other Tim >> for the parking you're talking about
parking garage two parking garages correct? >> Yes. Is there any outdoor parking also? >> Oh, yes. >> And is that where the >> Yes, we have outdoor parking. Uh if you zoom in please, Anthony. We have kind of all over. Uh we have it uh alongside and
in front of building C. Um we obviously have it in in in phase A with the with the pads that remains unchanged. We have it with the hotel in phase D. Um, and there's also, >> so I guess I guess I'm more focused on the residential, >> correct?
>> Residential and the third hotel. >> This what you see here is is ground level parking uh in and amongst the residential and commercial buildings. >> And that's going to be open air. >> That's going to be under a podium deck.
>> So, where do you plan on putting the EV spots? >> I'm sorry. >> Where do you plan on putting the EV spots? >> Oh, sure. We can. I think they'll be they'll be scattered throughout the site as required by the code >> because I know I know we have been this
board has been talking about EV spots away from buildings. So, I'm just trying to figure out where the open air spots you're talking about for the >> Well, it it it's open air. There's a deck that's I I'll let Mr. Johnson I don't remember how high the deck is, but
uh but it is open air parking. It's not open to the sky, but it is open air parking. Okay. >> I think I think it'll you you I think it will help you and uh to understand once the architectural exhibits are shown and
you could see the relationship. It's hard as I'm explaining it. I can imagine it doesn't make a lot of sense honestly because the picture is a thousand words and I think it's helpful to have the architect present his renderings. And just to confirm, so all the parking lots that are there now that are canopied
with solar are going away. >> The ones in phase E are Yes. >> I'm focused on that. >> Yes. Yes, that's correct. >> Mr. Sorry, >> Mr. Peters, >> I just wanted to follow up on the the question, Mr. important as it relates to
the the overall parking. Um perhaps as a condition of the approval, we can get a a chart that says what surface parking is going to be provided. Um to the best of my recollection, it's been eight months. We don't have architectural
plans for the parking garages. Correct. >> We just have something that says we're going to put this many parking spaces in. >> That was one of your qu Yes, that's correct. You and I have not been able to confirm that the number of parking spaces that's being profered can actually fit in the building and it sort of gets kicked to resolution compliance.
>> I understand >> the idea that you without detailed plans for parking deck which quite frankly aren't the easiest thing in the world to put together. We can't verify the parking count. But suffice it to say, the applicant's making a profer that he's going to have this many
parking spaces at grade throughout the project and then this many parking spaces in parking garages or decks and then we're we're going to have to reconcile that as we go through the process of um real construction drawings and resolution compliance. But at this
point, I couldn't verify how many are going to be put in the parking deck because we haven't seen the parking >> and Mr. Peter, just so I understand the conditions, it would be a short demonstrating the number of parking spaces to be open air and those to be contained in parking garages >> to verify that summarily they meet the
testimony that was provided. >> Yeah, we break down the number of parking spaces on our plan as I noted, but that's a fair question and a good question. Peters asked about breaking it down into what's open air parking and what's garage parking. I think that's we'll make sure we provide that. >> Mr. Peters,
>> thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Port, one other if it's a question or a comment. Um, and I don't know if you're going to do this in later planning testimony, but we talked about taking some of the the medical use
out of off this tract of land and putting it on another tract of land. Um, I just like the the board to understand or to get some affirmative testimony that that medical was originally going to be a an integral part of the design
of the entire parcel and how it is. If the applicant's entitled to the land use law and the ordinance to build whatever they want on here, that's fine. But there's no guarantee that something else is going to be built on another piece of property. And I'm not sure the
board can ask you to condition this approval on going and getting another approval. >> I agree. >> But I think between the the original GDP and the creation of the HCMU zone, there should probably be some discussion about that particular use because I think it
was an integral part of the original sales pitch or the original presentation. And I just want to make sure that that's clear on the record um so the board understands where we were, where we're going, and how we're getting there. Thank you.
>> At what point are we going to be final on what you're actually going to do here? So can get really detailed plans. Fire department can look at it. Police can look, everybody can look at it. >> I think we have those now. Uh we have submitted the detailed site plans to the
Bureau of Fire Commissioners and they have issued a review from the spring. >> Okay. I I don't have them. So >> okay, I'll provide that to you. >> Thank you. >> Any additional questions or comments for Mr. Bordon? >> Mr. Bordon, you have any additional
information? >> Not yet. Not for tonight. So, we're going to offer the board you could either hear from a traffic engineer or architect, whatever you'd like to see next. >> Before we do that, let me open to the public to see >> public. Sure. I think they're all with
us, but go ahead. Try it. >> They're all with you, but just for the record, I'm going to go ahead and open this to the public. Anyone wishing to come forward and ask Mr. Bordon any questions regarding his testimony for this evening, please do so at this time. >> Yeah. Um, the architect might be better to we could close the loop on some of
the things that Ian testified to, but that's your choice. >> Yes, m Mr. Alfury, in your uh anxiety to get this issue resolved, I I don't think that the board chair had finished opening it. I'm sorry. >> I I was speaking to Mr. B. I wasn't
paying attention. I apologize. >> So, I opened it to the public. Seeing no one come forward to ask any questions, Mr. word at this time. We'll close it to the public and I think we'll take your recommendation and move to the architect. >> Okay. Thank you. Sorry for interrupting. I wasn't
>> It was an easy mistake to make. You don't have to tell us. We think it's really helpful, too. >> This is a new witness has not testified. >> Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you'll give before this board
will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> Uh uh. Yes, I do. >> And could you state your name and put your credentials in the record? >> Sure, I'd be happy to. My name is uh Stuart Johnson. I am a principal at Menowasco Architects and Planners and I'm the architect of record associated with the mixeduse portion of the
application. >> Um just a little your a little history on your your credentials, please. >> Sure. Uh I am a registered architect with a current New Jerseys license. Uh I have a bachelor's in architecture from Syracuse University. I've appeared and
qualified as an expert in architecture uh in over 50 municipalities across the state. >> All right. This board accepts your credentials. Just as you can tell, the acoustics in here aren't great. So, please speak into the microphone. >> Sure, I'd be happy to. >> Thank you. >> And if I mean, if better, I could stand
at the at the lectern. >> Do you need to? >> No, just hold the mic close to your mouth. >> Everybody's like, "No." >> Got it. >> That's no good either. >> Uh, so noted. Um, so great. Uh, so I have a multi-page uh exhibit here. It's
a PDF file. Are we identifying each page or is is the multi-page PDF file one exhibit and then we could just reference each uh sheet number? >> I saw notes Mr. Bordon prepared some notes of exhibits. Is it 25 sheets prepared by Minowasco submitted? It says
submitted July 3rd. Is that the correct document? >> That is correct. That's the date that I have on that document. >> I'm not sure. His notes said A7. I'm not sure if that's what that document says, but Yes.
>> Yes. So the last revision date is July >> the last revision date is July 3rd of this calendar year 2025 and I believe this is the next exhibit which would be I exhibit A7. It's a
25page PDF set. It's the architectural building plans, elevations, building sections, as well as multiple uh perspective renderings of the proposed project that was prepared by my office. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's fine. And then is the page
numbers are going to be that CO1, etc. >> The page numbers are in the bottom corner of the page. And as I as we advance each slide, I'd be happy to reference that page number for the benefit of the board. Thank you. >> Uh so great. So as noted uh Menowasco we
are the architect of record for the mixeduse portion or the mixeduse village that's being proposed as part of this application. I think Mr. Gordon uh the applicant's engineer uh nicely identified the site, oriented you in regards to the frontages, the access to
the site and the goal and objective here. Uh but to complement the existing hospitality, hotel and events, you know, event uses and sport uses on site, we're proposing a new mixeduse village that is comprised of three new buildings. So on our cover sheet, which is identified as
CO1, we have an illustrative perspective view here that we will go to later and zoom in on greater detail, but we're proposing three new buildings that are constructed around structured parking that supports each of those uses. Uh Mr. Bordon had noted that we're proposing
for 641 new residential apartment units. These are rental apartment units. um within the 641 residential apartment units, uh 10% of those, which is 58 units, are special need affordable units. The remainder of the apartment
units are one and twobedroom market rate rental apartment units. We're proposing for 150 new hotel keys. It's anticipated to be a Hilton Flag Hotel, uh such as a Hilton Tapestry, but again, that's anticipated at this time. Um, and we
have structured parking either within a vertical pre-cast parking garage that the building is constructed around or on a ground level, what we call a podium level of the building, which is non-combustible concrete where we then build on top of it with vertical framing. Uh, the ground floor of the
building provides for new uh convenient commercial retail. Uh in total we have 65,155 square feet of groundf flooror commercial retail, fast casual dining opportunities, convenience type retail that you would find in a new mixeduse
village like this. Again, that also complements the existing entertainment and hospitality uses that are on site. Um within the hotel itself, um we also have approximately 38,145t of banquet space or event space. uh you
know with small weddings, gatherings, corporate corporate retreats, corporate events, etc. again that you would find in a small boutique hotel like this with 150 keys. Um and with that then I'd like to advance the slide to the next sheet. So
I believe the next sheet then is uh sheet A1 of the drawing set. So sheet A1 of the drawing set is simply a architectural site plan. It's a color rendered site plan very similar or the
same one that Mr. Bordon had identified. It's simply color splashed here uh to identify the the various areas of the building. Um so if I orient you to the mixeduse portion of of of the building, we can see the three buildings here. So we have building one which is a mixeduse
residential building over retail. We have building two which is also a mixeduse building. Uh rental apartment units over ground floor retail and parking. and then building three in the center which is our hotel building um which is an eight-story building um
constructed adjacent to a vertical parking deck. The two residential portions of the building are six stories. They're approximately 71 ft. And the center portion, building three, our hotel is eight stories and it's 90 ft. And again, Mr. board had identified
that that conforms with the zoning ordinance in regards uh to the permissible building height uh given the setback of the building from uh the property line. Uh the center portions of the building above the first floor parking are landscaped and activated
with outdoor passive recreation space for residents of the building. Uh if we advance to the next sheet or slide, this is sheet AO2. So this is the ground floor plan of the proposed building. Um so the areas that are post shaded or
colored in gray are the ground floor parking. Um again, building one is the larger building here. Uh building one itself has 409 residential apartment units. All 58 of the special needs affordable housing units are within that first building which would be one of the
first phases. >> I'm sorry, what was that number? >> Uh so we have 58 special need affordable housing units. >> The prior to that >> uh we have 409 total units within building one. Uh building two has 202 residential
apartment units in it. And then we have building three which is our hotel building that technically has 30 rental apartment units within that building and then the 150 hotel keys on the upper floors of that building. So in total if we add those together that's how we
arrive at the total proposed density of 641 units. Um again comprised of uh 258 one-bedroom units. We have 325 two-bedroom units and 58 special needs affordable housing units. All of this
information is broken out and outlined on the cover sheet of the architectural drawing set. So, sheet C1, if you're looking at the drawing sets in front of you. Um, I'll orient you that the parking is largely screened from the public right
away and public view. So, the areas that are colored in blue are ground flooror commercial retail that allow for ceiling heights of approximately 14 feet. So that allows for attractive market rate new uh new commercial retail uses such as fast casual dining, coffee shops or
other convenience type retail again to support a use like this. It helps to activate the frontage and and the ground floor of the building with new storefront windows, interior lighting. Um again to create a active and vibrant um mixeduse village. Um around the
building we have new sidewalks and streetscape. So, we have sort of a varying sidewalk width, but we have a very generous sidewalk width here around the building as well as some opportunities for new street trees and pockets of green that again promote
walkability throughout the site. That's something that's big for the applicant, especially given the other uses that are on site. We expect uh residents and users of the site who would frequent the site. Um, we want to encourage that walkability. And how do we do that? We create safe and invit inviting and
friendly and activated spaces um for new patrons of the retail or residents of this new community. Uh the areas that are colored in yellow are the primary lobby areas for the building. So if I orient you here on building one, this is the primary
residential lobby for building one. It's approximately 9,400 square feet. We would have on-site leasing and management. uh the package and the mail center for that for that building and those residents would be located there. We've created a convenient and safe a
pulloff and drop off area here outside the cartway which allows for Uber, Lift, Mail, Fresh Direct, but those short-term deliveries for a building of like this could occur. Um and again, on-site leasing management to assist with those
deliveries during business hours. Um, there's also a secondary residential lobby off of this new upscale motor court that we're creating here. So, there's a secondary lobby for building one, which is approximately 2,300 square f feet. And then, if I orient you to
building two, the primary residential lobby for building two, where package, mail, drop off, leasing, management, etc. is located is located on the right side of the plan here. Um, and again you can see a entry motor court uh that
we're creating outside the cartway. Again, that allows for adequate uh vehicular circulation for Uber, Lift, or Fresh Direct and those type of short-term deliveries uh or visitors uh to the building to frequent that. And then additionally, we have a secondary
residential lobby for building 2, which is approximately 3,000 square feet, which also has uh direct secure access off that central motor court. Um the hotel itself is generally located in the center of this motorc court. So upon
entering in here you get a sight line and a direct view of that ground floor lobby for for the hotel space. Uh the hotel lobby is approximately 14,500 square ft. Uh that would accommodate concierge package you know small
breakfast space uh you know sort of pre-unction type spaces um for patrons of that hotel to use. Uh the areas that are colored in darker gray are support areas for the building such as internal electrical switch gear
rooms, domestic fire service, sprinkler rooms, uh off- streetet loading uh and other type of operation and support spaces uh that we would find in a mixeduse development like this. Um again uh smartly planned and designed and with
adequate access. Um so let's talk a little bit about parking. So Mr. Gordon had made reference to um the structured parking. Uh between building 1, two, and three, we have a total of 2,261 structured parking spaces. Uh of which
339 are being proposed as EV parking spaces, 17 of which are accessible parking spaces. So that complies with chapter 11 accessibility within the international building code in regards to handicap spaces that are required throughout those garages. that also
complies with the EV parking um that is statemandated the 15% of the parking that we provide the level two EV chargers whether that uh they are day one or make ready EV parking spaces um my understanding in and interpretation of the state law is that when you have
structured parking and surface parking you provide both EV parking and structured parking as well as surface parking. Um, the EV parking that we have planned for and designed throughout the building complies with the building code, complies with National Fire Protection, uh, where we locate the EV
parking spaces throughout the garage. We try to say lo we try to look uh, locate them closer to the entrances of the garage. We also provide these garages will have a dry sprinkler system throughout that's required by code, but we often provide sprinkler heads that
provide a greater volume of water where those are located in the garage. Um the building one and building two each have a ground level of structured parking. So it's this area in gray. Building one has two vehicular ingress and egress access
points. So there's one on the western portion of the building here and one off the eastern portion of the building. And similarly, building two has two vehicular ingress and egress access points. One on the western side we can see here and then one on the eastern
side of that building. Um those are covered structured parking spaces. Uh on on the next sheet we'll see the landscape courtyards that are above. This is a non-combustible construction type on the ground floor of the building. Uh it's concrete, so it's type one or two uh in regards to
construction, but non-combustible. And again, as noted, we have a sprinkler system, a dry sprinkler system that's planned throughout. Um the parking on the ground floor uh provides for we have secure access that provides direct access to the residential lobbies in
yellow for residents to gain access. Um we have adequate access and convenient access to the adjacent retail. Um, we also have then these vertical parking decks that are located on the rear of the building. So, these are pre-cast parking garages. Again, these are
non-combustible parking uh structures that are vertically oriented, one floor on top of another. And those floors we'll see on the upper floor plans of the building, but they provide direct secure access to the residential apartment levels or hotel levels uh of
the building on the upper floors. Again, this is common uh in a multilevel um apartment building or mixed use uh mixeduse multif family and hotel building like what we're proposing here. Um access to those parking garages are
located off the eastern road here. Um as well as off of uh the western portion of the site, I'm sorry, the eastern portion and the western portion of the site. Um, again, we're letting we're allowing for adequate ventilation and air for those parking garages. Uh, they they allow for
natural ventilation on the north side of the building and we have an area way on the south side of the building that allows for natural ventilation. U, if we advance the slide then to the next sheet, we'll move to the second floor plan of the building. This is identified as sheet AO3. So, this is
above the ground floor. ground floor we have commercial retail, residential lobbies and parking. Once we move to the second floor, everything colored in orange are residential apartment units inclusive of uh the special need affordable housing units. Um the area
that is colored in pink is residential amenity space for the building. We have approximately 25,000 square feet of indoor amenity space. Um that includes a club room, state-of-the-art fitness center, cardio weights, yoga, spin room,
uh co-working spaces, private event spaces, meditation spaces, but again, all the all the newer type amenities that we would find in a lifestyle building like what's being proposed here. Um the amenities are shared between the buildings. Um and we've designed a one-story bridge that occurs
on the second floor. We can see the pink bridge here. So, it's a it's a elevated and structured bridge that connects the two buildings for access to shared amenities and some of the outdoor passive recreation spaces within the three landscape courtyards that are being proposed. The building massing for
building one and building two allow for three open air courtyards above that concrete lid of the parking garage or podium uh that we were making reference to. Building one has two courtyards, one of which we are proposing a pool in.
pool would be open seasonally, typically from Memorial Day to Labor Day. Um, it's only open when a lifeguard's on duty, compliant with state health code. There's a 4-foot fence around it, but there's secure access for residents and guests of this building. The other two courtyards provide for outdoor passive
recreation space, some outdoor dining opportunities, congregation areas, areas for outdoor yoga classes. Um, all of the amenity spaces would have direct access, secure access out to those courtyards and there's hours that limit um access for
residents to these spaces after hours. >> Excuse me. Is the pool also accessible to the hotel? Yes. >> Uh, that pool is not that pool and the pink area, the 25,000 ft of amenity space as well as three these three courtyards are private to the 641
residential apartment units. Um so the market rate units as well as the special need affordable units have secure access to these spaces. The hotel has its own internal um amenity space, fitness center, gym, etc. as well as a rooftop
space with a pool. Um I see I see a finger possibly a question. >> Yes. Sorry. No. Oh, no worries. um the the pool being above the the ground level parking, it's going to have adequate clearance so that vehicles can
pass underneath. >> Yes, it will. So, I think I had noted that um we have so we have approximately 16 ft floor to floor on the first floor. So, that's from the finished floor of the garage to the finished floor of the second level. Um on the first floor of
the garage, we will have greater than 9 ft of clearance. So that certainly allows for accessible vans which are approximately 8 feet two inches. Um and as well as additional space, but yes, we'll have adequate clearance underneath the pool. Um naturally, when a pool is
recessed in a structural uh deck, we fold the slab uh under that area. We may have slightly less vertical clearance, but we'd have greater than 7 and 1/2 ft. So it complies for standard vehicles where we had lower height clearance. We typically put sort of crash bars or
signage that identifies an area of the garage that might have lower clearance, but the rest of the parking garage, the drive aisles, etc., all have taller clearance that complies with code. >> Thank you. >> Um, so again, very smartly planned, uh,
very smart that we're activating these roofs of these parking garage. Again, this is not unheard of. This is not uncommon. This is bestin-class what we're showing here in regards to uh outdoor and indoor uh recreation for these residents. Um this is a double-
loaded corridor design, meaning we have residents on both sides of the corridors generally except where we're wrapping the parking garage here on the on the uh western southern portion of the parking garage. Uh we can also then see the open air court uh to the motor court below
here and then the vertical parking decks um that provide direct secure access to the residential buildings in the hotels uh that continue vertically in the building. Um garage one and garage two are what we call a split level deck
design meaning that the two ramps uh are are sloped that provide for for vertical access up and down throughout the building. And then garage three here uh is a flat level uh deck design, meaning there's no ramps in that garage, but the
access to that garage is via the ramp structure in garage one in uh in garage two here. Um the building has also been designed that it could be phased and sequenced in regards to construction so that we could commence with construction on building one and its structured
parking um before we start on the hotel and its parking garage. And then building two can come then as sort of the third phase of the building where in reality probably building one in the hotel would be phase 1 A and 1B. Construction would just be sequenced and then uh uh building two then delivered
as a second phase. >> I'm sorry could you explain that phasing again? >> Sure. So building one has been designed that it it uh building one and its parking support that use. So naturally in a project like this it would be the construction would be sequenced or
phased. You wouldn't necessarily uh pour footings for all three buildings at the same time. You would start with footing and foundations on building one. Uh you would you would pour the slab for that building, right? Uh you would pour the transfer slab and build the apartment units above in the structure parking. Uh
while you're finishing units in that building and the interiors, you then next move to footing and foundations for the adjacent building. Is are you anticipating that building one and its parking would become operational, become occupied prior to the construction of
buildings two and three? >> It could. Uh that would be subject to building permit review by your building department, but it's it's certainly plausible that building one might get a TCO um while then building three, which is the next phase, is still being uh uh
constructed. Again, that's typical even in one apartment building. There's often what's called a firewall, which which separates one portion of the building. It's it's it's common in this industry and within your local building department that you might receive a TCO for half of the building um and deliver
those units to market and begin leasing them while you're finishing uh the remainder of the units in the building. So, that's really all construction >> and building one contains all of the affordable units. >> Building one contains all the affordable units. That's correct. >> And that would be phase one.
>> That's phase one. Yes. Yes. Um so then if we move to the next slide uh I believe this is sheet A4. So this is the third floor of the building largely and substantially similar. We simply see where the roof drops below. Uh so the
onetory amenity space here that um uh was only one story. So that that just sort of uh maximizes light and air within that courtyard and you know allows for greater visibility. So that's sort of a smart design. And then we can see the roof uh connection here. This is
only on the second floor which is the primary amenity floor. So that that one-story bridge on the second floor. We can see the roof below and we'll see it later in some of the perspective renderings. If we move to the next slide, please. This will be sheet A5. This is the typical fourth and fifth
floor of the building. Again, units generally stack for construction efficiency and mechanical and structural efficiency. We can see the vertical parking garages on the on the northeastern portion of the building. Again, stacking vertically and providing secure access. Uh you generally park on
the floor that you live on and you have uh secure key fob access into your building or hotel. Um advancing to the next slide then sheet AO6. Uh that then brings us to that brings us to the sixth floor of the
building. again substantially similar. Um and then advancing the next slide to sheet A7. This will bring us to the roof plan um for the six-story portions of the building. Um so as noted that the two multif family buildings, building one and building two are six stories in
height. They're approximately 71 ft. Uh measured from the average grade plane around the building to the highest point of the roof deck. We are proposing a small passive uh rooftop amenity deck for both building one and building two. So, we're extending an elevator to the roof that provides for accessible access
to residents. We have two means of egress via stairs that complies with building code um and safety and opportunities for views of, you know, a treeine views beyond and and passive recreation. So very smart plan here to
utilize some of that roof area uh for outdoor wellness for residents of this community. Um now this is the roof plan of the two of of the two multif family buildings. We see building three in the center. I noted building three is eight
stories in height. So that's a little bit taller. So while this is the roof plan of those two buildings, um this is the seventh floor of the building. So this is the seventh floor of our hotel building. So we can see the hotel keys that occur on this level. Right? These
are all hotel keys either standard king units, double queen uh bed type units. We can see the corridor and the vertical access providing access to these floors. And then the area in pink is banquet space. So you know we were we were calling this a sky lounge. Uh but
certainly we would have exterior glazing on these three walls which would offer views. Um and uh we're showing a double height portion of that building. Again, this could be used for small wedding space. Uh you know, event space or banquet type space um for this use.
>> What's the anticipated occupancy of of banquet space? >> I don't have that. I don't have that right now. I mean, I'd have to uh reference the chart in the international building code. Um if and when we're back, I can share that. But it would it would uh comply um with with building
code um you know and health and safety. Obviously the egress stairs the size of them etc would all be sized to accommodate that. >> I'm sorry what did you say this what did you say the square footage is? >> Uh the square footage of banquet space in total is approximately 38,000 square
feet. >> Thank you. >> So that's inclusive of banquet space on this floor, the next floor as well as some ground floor space. Um if we advance the slide then to sheet A8 this this brings us to the eighth floor of the building. So at the eighth floor of
the building uh the the area where we have the X here is open to below. That's where we allow for taller ceilings. You know approximately 20 foot ceilings or so for a larger gathering space. Um and then some prefunction and meeting room spaces on this eighth floor of of the
hotel. And then at the eighth floor, you can walk out onto the roof of the building below. So, um, there was a question earlier, but the hotel and banquet space has its own outdoor rooftop amenity deck that has direct secure access from the hotel that's
accessible to hotel patrons and hotel guests only. So, residents of the community would have access through the hotel, not through their own private buildings. Um, outdoor passive uses for seating and dining. We are we are proposing a small rooftop pool area for
that building. Um that building given its height would be a non-combustible construction type. So that uh building would all be uh likely light gauge steel over over concrete on the first floor. But the hotel building would be non-combustible construction type. Um if
we can advance then the slide to the next sheet. So the next sheet is the uppermost roof plan of the building. So everything in white or light gray now is rooftop area, right? So we can see the rooftop of of the actual hotel itself. Uh that's just
mechanical units that are screened, but there's no pedestrian or not pedestrian, but there's no um there's no access to that upper rooftop. Right. So at the eighth floor is where we have outdoor walkout space for hotel patrons. Um so
with that, I'll move to sheet A10 and talk a little bit about the exteriors of these buildings. Um, and what we have here, um, we submitted these in the package. These are the exterior of building elevations of the building. Um, we can come back to these and reference
these if we need to. They call out the exterior building materials. They have, uh, dimension tags. They'll call out the building heights. They show the articulated and varied uh, cornice lines that we're proposing, punched windows for the residential apartment units. But what I'd like to do is move to the
illustrative perspective renderings which I think better describe the exterior architecture massing and character of the building. So I'd like to advance to um it's it's page 15 or slide 15 of of of the
package and it's identified as sheet A15. So, as noted, we have several um we have several illustrative perspective views of the proposed project uh mixeduse village that shows it in context with some of the existing uses that are
constructed on site and some of the other uses that Mr. Bordon made reference to that are either already approved or being modified as part of this application. So, the first view we have is a low aerial view here looking east. We can see the existing dome in the foreground and some of the
commercial retail that is constructed and built out there today. We can see the hotel that was being made reference to earlier, the Hilton Hotel which has frontage out here on Mammoth Road. And then the Marriott Hotel that is being proposed to be relocated here adjacent
to the sports complex for better proximity and use. We can also see the vertical pre-cast parking garage that Mr. the Bordon made reference to earlier that is conveniently located to that hotel in the indoor sports areas and then for further context again the
outdoor ball fields and playing areas that are located on site. So if I orient you here to the center portion of of uh the image again we can see our proposed mixeduse village that we're proposing. So we have building one which is a six-story mixeduse building, building
two which is a six-story mixeduse building. Then building three in the center which was our eightstory hotel building and structured parking. Um we can see the small passive uh rooftop amenity spaces for for both building one and building two as well as the rooftop
amenity space uh at the eighth level for the hotel. And then the open air courtyards right in the center of the building here. These cutouts we can see the residential apartment units. The windows allowing light and air to the residential units of this new community. If we advance to the next slide, sheet
A16, this is a perspective view. It's an aerial view looking northeast. Um, we can see where building one and building two here are separated with with the main entrance coming into that uh European style motor court in the center
of the building providing direct access to the lobby of the hotel and the secondary residential lobbies. Again, we we get a sense of those open air naturally uh naturally landscaped courtyards on top of the parking garage as well as a small passive rooftop
amenity space. Advancing the next slide then to sheet A17. This is a low aerial view looking north. So in the foreground are the existing ball fields and playfields. Um again on the left side of the image here we can
see the vertical parking garage which is proposed uh and associated with the uh the dome or bubble and the Marriott hotel being proposed to be constructed adjacent to that. And then on the right side of the image here we see building two in the foreground the mixeduse
multif family building two. It's its vertical parking garage here adjacent, the two open air courtyards, then the hotel in the center and building one beyond. Advancing the next slide then to sheet A18. Uh sheet A18 is a aerial perspective
view looking east. Um we're now looking at the corner um the corner of building one right here where we have a outdoor plaza space. This is a gathering space where we could have functions and events. We can see some of the new ground floor retail that's being
proposed here, right? Where we have tall activated storefront windows at at the ground level of building at the human plane. We've designed these buildings uh such that we have a base, middle, and top reading. So, we have a weighted base at the ground floor. We'll see that in a minute here with the articulation of the
storefront windows and the exterior exterior building materials. um large punched windows for the residential units. All of the residential floor levels have proposed ceiling heights of 9 ft. At the amenity levels, we have a little bit taller ceilings. Um the
window head heights are approximately 8 feet. And the glass in the units are either six or eight feet in height. So um and and often either six or nine feet in width. So that allows for adequate light and air to the the proposed residential apartment units. Advancing
the slide then to sheet A19. We have a couple views uh that bring us down to the human scale down to the streetscape. Um so now we're looking at a street level view. This is a view looking east from road B. This is that same entry corner of of the project that we just
saw from uh the prior image. So we recessed the building here to create a plaza on the corner. There's some outdoor green space um you know to to help articulate sort of the hardscape area, planters and benches and seating areas, new street trees to to to line
these new pedestrian streets. And then we have the storefront windows here um that define and provide access and visibility to the ground floor retail and restaurant spaces that are being proposed. Um again we can see some of the vertical articulation and massing here. Some of
the corner architectural tower elements um and some of the vertical signage for the building. Advancing the next slide then to sheet A20. Um this is an exciting view. This is a view looking northeast from road B. So on the left
side is building one. On the right side is building two and then in the center here beyond is building three which is the hotel. Um we can see the uh the uh pedestrian bridge connection here on the second floor where cars pass underneath.
Um this is an early early evening or dust shot which shows lights on inside some of the cafe spaces and retail spaces. Um it shows some of the pedestrian walkability. um you know the new um the new sidewalks and crosswalks that are being proposed uh to provide
convenient access to the other uses that are being proposed on site. Exhibit A21. Then moving to the next slide, we we we zoom in within that entry motor for building three or the hotel. Um and this
is where we have the main our main hotel entrance. So we have about 14,000 square feet here on the ground floor where we have the primary hotel concierish. Um some small banquet space, some pre-unction space, some meeting space. Uh on the left side of the plan and
right side of the plan, we have secondary residential lobby entrances. Uh secure key fob entrances for residents to conveniently uh take an elevator down to that lobby and gain access uh to this motorc court and to the retail. And just behind me are the
ve are the vehicular garage entrances uh off of this road um into those uh two garages. Um the the upper two floors of the building here uh are where that banquet space is that's being programmed and planned for the hotel. And again, we
can see a stately and attractive uh boutique hotel style entry here with an architectural slum canopy and signage uh for that proposed use. Um the next slide, exhibit A22. Again, this is another human scale view,
but this is a view looking south from road A. So immediately in the foreground here is the primary residential lobby for building one. So we have that pulloff and drop off area that is here that's outside of the cartway. That's long enough for several vehicles for
three or four vehicles to to queue or stage uh for convenience delivery and drop off to that main residential lobby. Again, articulated residential windows and massings here to define the base of the building at the human scale as well as the upper portions of the building
offering relief. Um, next slide please. Exhibit 823. Exhibit 823. I believe this is our last perspective viewing, but this is a view looking north now from road B. So, we're looking along building two, building
one, and then the um the roadway which goes into that motor court. We can see the new storefront windows along the ground floor for the retail um the garage entrance into building 2. And then just to the right of that is where the entry motor court and main lobby for
building 2 is programmed. Um, exterior building materials consist of two different masonry brick veneers. We have a darker maroon brick that we're using and a lighter slurry gray brick. Um, uh, dark architectural windows, um, black aluminum storefront windows at the
ground floor where the commercial retail is. We have architectural slung canopies with raised dimensional letters providing signage and branding for the various retail uses and/or hotel uses. Um, and as you can see from the facade
here, we have articulations both in uh both horizontally and vertically. Right? So, it's important here that we're breaking up the mass as you're walking around these buildings or experiencing the buildings. You don't see a stat a static flat facade. We have ins and outs and a rhythm that's being created here
with some of the vertical treatment on the facade. Um, we're also defining the first floor of the building with a sub cornice line or belt band here. Um that again relates to the human scale at the first floor of the building. Um lastly,
just to close out some of the architectural testimony, um we are pro we are proposing some building signage. Uh the building signage conforms with the ordinance, but we have four residential entry canopy signs uh that are located at the four residential lobbies for the building. Those are
raised channel cut letters affixed to the edge of the architectural canopies. We have one residential wall sign. We saw that in one of the renderings. Those are pin- mounted letters um that are mounted vertically on the facade that would identify the name of the building. At the garage entrances of the building,
we would have signs whether you call that a formal building sign or it's more it's really more wayfinding. But at the garage entrances, uh the very uh six garage entrances, we would have signage identifying parking, entrance, exit, etc. Um, and then for retail signage, we
we are permitted one sign per tenant per frontage. So again, as the retail were to be broken up and carved up at a later date, uh, we would have one sign per tenant. Um, and then lastly, the hotel and banquet signage. Right. We we have two hotel banquet entry canopy signs
that are being proposed at the main lobby entrance for the for the hotel, as well as one wall sign for for the hotel, again, which are pin- mounted letters. their LED halo back lit which provides for soft ambient lighting uh uh
tastefully designed. Um and just to conclude, you know, the building again smartly planned in regards to the ways we're activating the rooftops, um how we're providing access to the building. The building will include Energy Star appliances for the residential apartment
units. We have Energy Star lighting fixtures throughout um auto off movement light sensors in the parking garages and corridors. uh windows with low E coating, lowflow water fixtures and the EV parking uh that we were talking about earlier. Um so again, very smartly uh
planned. Uh that was a lot of information and hopefully you heard a little bit of excitement. Uh but the applicant and design team is excited here for this mixeduse village and how it nicely complements the existing uses on site and the permitted uses in the ordinance.
>> Two quick followups and then I'll turn it over to the board. First is you mentioned mechanicals for the hotel on the rooftops. How are mechanicals handled for the apartments? >> Uh so the apartment units would be split systems. Um so they'd be split systems.
So they would have condensers located on the roof. The condensers are approximately 42 inches in height. They're generally located along the center corridor of the building. So that's that's 25 to 30 feet set in from the exterior parapit of the building. uh walking and driving around the site, you
would not perceive that given the height of those condensing units and uh given the setback, but again to the um extent that they were visible, the applicant would be willing to screen them. Uh but in my experience, again, given the height of them and given the position of
them on the roof, largely not visible walking and driving around these types of buildings. >> And then uh refues, how is refuge handled? >> Great question. um spent a lot of time talking about refu and recycling, but um it would all be handled internal to the building. So
the two residential buildings, we would have multiple trash shoots uh within the buildings. So on each residential floor level, we would have uh refuge rooms that provide access to trash shoots. One trash shoots and recycling shoots, one dedicated for rubbish, one dedicated for
recycling. They terminate at the garage levels of the building uh where we have a large refuge termination room where we have a compactor, adequate storage for two cubic yard rolling containers and recycling. That's all brought curbside and picked up by a private hauler uh one
to two times a week, right? You know, uh depending on how many rooms we have um and capacity, but again that's a scheduled and coordinated event with a private hauler. Uh similarly, the hotel would have trash shoots. Again, there's maid service in hotels, but they would
utilize trash shoots. Uh, and we have large holding areas on the ground floor of the hotel. And then lastly, the retail, which backs to the parking garage, right? We have service doors and loading doors for the retail and dedicated storage for that retail, whether it's food use, and we're talking
about wet trash. That's condition spaces or dry, you know, a dry goods and cardboard boxes with a cardboard bailer, but all stored internal to the building, brought out by building management importers, um, and managed with the private hauler.
>> That's all we have of the architect. >> Question. >> I got a few, >> Mr. Tremor. So, I'm not totally up on the exact code. You're saying 90 feet is code and
70 ft is code. You realize we don't have fire trucks that could reach this. So um in terms of code and what's permissible, the zoning code that uh municipal
professionals put forth permits that height um that height then is also permitted in the international building code, right? Um which references and conforms with NFPA code. Um so the two the two residential buildings are 71 ft
to the roof, right? Uh we are proposing we have four levels of woodframe construction over two levels non-combustible that conforms with code. The center portion of the building that's eight stories is all non-combustible that complies with building code, local code, state code.
Um how those buildings are egressed complies with with code in regards to fire suppression, stand pipes, etc. That all complies with code. I'm not I'm not up to speed on the municipal the
municipalities fire department and their apparatus and vehicles, but we're providing or adequate access to these buildings, access to the egress stairs and the stand pipes and the fire systems um that we typically see uh see for buildings like this.
>> So, will each apartment be fully sprinklered? >> Each each building will be fully sprinklered. So, let's let's break it down. >> Building one is a six six-story mixeduse building. Um, it has 409 residential
apartment units, ground flooror retail, and parking. It will be fully sprinklered. It'll be an NFPA13 sprinkler system throughout. The parking garage on the first floor is a dry sprinkler system. Why is that? Because there's some cold air that goes in there. We don't want the pipes to freeze
and break, right? in the event that there's a fire, obviously water is provided to that, but there's wet stand pipes within egress stairs or rated shafts within that parking garage. Um, the vertical pre-cast parking garage is on the back side of the building. Uh,
they would also have a dry sprinkler system throughout that's required by building code with wet with wet stand pipes um in the egress stairs. We would have FDC connections on the exterior of the building. Um certainly as a condition of approval, we could work
with the fire department on if they had specific areas where they would want FTC connections on the building, right? Um we also would have knockboxes at the primary entrances to the building. A knockbox is a secure box that only first responders, fire department, police
department have access to, but it essentially provides a master key and access to garage and all floors of the building. Building two is very similar. It's a six-story multif family building. We had 202 residential apartments. Ground floor retail parking same design.
Building three in the center of the building, uh, eight stories, all non-combustible construction type. Ground floor would be concrete, right? And then the seven floors above would be light gauge steel. So likely type two, maybe 2B construction type. That would
be fully sprinklered with an NFPA 13 sprinkler system. Um, again, the garage associated with the hotel of a dry sprinkler system. All of this is required by code. Um, some of what I describe is above and beyond code. >> The garage height, what do you
anticipate that being? >> The garage height >> inside each level. >> Well, um, great question. So, so the ground floor is a little bit taller, right? Because the ground floor is a podium design and we have retail. So, I had noted earlier that we had approximately 14 feet to the underside
of structure. Um, but then we have some plumbing drops and we have um other other mechanicals and we're insulating the residential apartment that's above. So, the vertical clearance in the parking garage on the ground floor is probably between 9 and 10 ft.
>> So, you're not going to be able to get a fire truck in this garage. >> No, you would not get a fire truck in the garage. In my experience, you don't typically see fire apparatuses entering garages like this given fall zones and fall protection, but also just given the limitation of vertical heights that you
would see in a parking garage. The vertical pre-cast garages also um we would have at least 8 and 1/2 ft on the first floor that conforms with accessible van vehicles. On the upper floors, we could have anywhere between 7 and 1/2 ft to 8 feet underneath uh the
beams of the garage. But again, the garages are fully equipped with a dry sprinkler system, wet stand pipes for fire department or first responders to hook up hoses to um and connect. >> No, I mean it's a great concept if you
had a bigger fire department. We're small town that's going through a lot of growing pains. I mean, I could see a potential nightmare, especially if Do you anticipate any EV parking inside this garage?
>> Yes. So, um, state code requires EV parking. We're proposing EV parking. Um, I made a testimony earlier, um, where we would typically locate that EV parking within the parking garage, as well as the sprinkler heads that we would use that provide for a greater volume of
water, specifically where the EV parking spaces are. Um the garages also would allow access for lithium battery vehicles, right? So um even if we restricted EV parking, there's no restriction for lithium battery
vehicles. So it's it's it's a you know it's a challenge that we have to navigate within >> safety. The roof is the spot for it as far as I'm concerned. Anywhere in between the floors, you have a nightmare. A sprinkler is not going to put an EV out,
you know. So, it's something to consider. But again, like you said, we'll let leave it up to the fire official and you'll agree to any and all that he he would insist on. I I would hope
because th this is something that I mean it's the future. I get it. But I mean, you're talking a lot of hand stretching, a lot of limited access, EV vehicles, bikes, whatever else.
They're they're becoming a major issue that really can't be inside a building. I mean, look at New York City. They're banning everything inside a building, including EV parking, you know, for certain areas. Um, you know, the standpipe garage, I get
all that. Um, the garages will be six stories and roof parking. >> Uh, yes, they will. Yeah, the >> that's a total of seven stories. >> The vertical pre-cast parking garages. Yes. >> Okay. Um, what's the height of
pedestrian pedestrian uh bridge trucks? I I assume we'll be able to get underneath them. >> Yes. So, uh, we would, so the height of the pedestrian bridge, we'd we'd have approximately, uh, just under 17 feet underneath that. So, that should provide
adequate clearance for an apparatus or emergency vehicles to get underneath that. >> Doesn't fit under there. It's not going to get there. >> Correct. >> Right. Um, no balconies or fire escapes on these buildings. >> Um, there there may be some balconies on the interior courtyards. Uh, the the
exterior facades, we're not showing any walkout balconies. I I think we had suggested some Juliet balconies. Um but uh no uh no fire escapes. I think that was your question. That's not required by code. That's not typically how you
eress these types of buildings. But >> well, I'm thinking about it as a fireman. There's a fire in a building. >> Somebody runs out, the door is open. These people are now stuck. How are they going to get out? So a balcony >> will be where they're stuck and then we have to figure out how to get them out of there.
>> Sure. Um there's no street parking. >> Uh well, we do have on street parking throughout the site. We have some convenient street parking or surface parking throughout the site, but the structured parking that's being proposed here is for retail patrons, um residents
of the community and hotel patrons. >> Well, I said the street parking again will limit the height of an apparatus, what it could reach. Uh let's see how many elevator banks.
>> Uh we have multiple. So I mean uh the residential each building one has approximately four elevator cores. Uh building two has um approximately three elevator cores. I'm just looking at this here. Has has two
elevator cores. The parking garages associated with them have a vertical elevator core. The hotel has uh three elevator cores associated with it. >> So, multiple. >> What did you say the window construction was going to be out of?
>> So, um the window construction for the residential levels of the building likely would be a vinyl window. So, it would be a vinyl window. Typically, we have three pieces of glass in a living room. So, it's about 9 ft wide, right? And you know, typically at least a two-ft sill. Window head heights are
about 8 feet. So it's roughly 9 by six feet. >> So vinyl laminated windows that are >> vinyl laminated window >> pretty much indestructible. >> Um the ground floor the ground floor retail obviously is aluminum storefront, right? Um and the hotel portion likely
would be more of a composite window or you know or a extruded extruded aluminum window given you know the construction type being proposed there. >> Right. Like I said, I can see the fire officials struggling with this only
because of our capabilities today, but again, I guess once we get to that point, we'll go from there. >> Thank you. Thank you, >> Mr. Martins. >> Yeah.
>> Oh, sorry, Mr. >> Um, okay. So, uh, I have a bunch of them, but I'm going to group these into, um, one comment that you made. So, according to you, this is not uncommon,
right? Yeah. It's broke. Um, not uncommon. Bestin class, right? So, in your experience, this size of
development, um, have you seen it put in a relatively small town like Jackson before? What type of towns, what type of locations have you seen this type of development with the two
residential and a hotel? Uh, >> it kind of goes back to the fire issue and this the structure of a small town. Can it handle this type of best-in-class development? >> I personally and our firm, we've
designed numerous communities of similar size, between three and 600 residential apartment units in suburban towns like Jackson. Yeah. >> Uh we've designed projects from Massachusetts to Baltimore, but specifically around New Jersey in similar scale and size suburban
communities like Jackson Township. >> Okay. Have you seen any in New Jersey? Similar scale? Yes. Other towns? Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that answer. Um let me see some other ones. >> So, so the hotel, if I understand it,
the hotel is in the back the way I kind of see it, right? Um, the residentials are on the side. When you drive up to the hotel, you need to go through the residential areas, you know, I call areas, the sections,
building one, two. To get to the hotel, you got to go through building one, two, and so on. Am I right? Or is there an entrance somewhere else where I don't I can go right to the hotel. I don't need to pass all the residential areas. if if if you knew where you were going and
there's wayfinding signage on site, which there is, and you wanted to park yourself. So, yes, there will be wayfinding signage throughout the site that will identify public parking, will identify parking for the hotel. If I wanted to park myself, I could go right to the parking garage. Uh I could take
my bags out of my vehicle and I could walk to the front door of the hotel. If I wanted to utilize the valet service or drop off, uh I've done this myself where I dropped off my spouse and my children, I went and dropped the car off and then met them in the lobby or met them in the
room, right? Bellhot, maybe brought up their bags. It's not uncommon for again a hospitality use like what we're proposing here. Um the hotel is centrally located, centrally located. There's adequate visibility for it being seen entering into the community. Um,
and it's an attractive stately entrance. I don't think it's hidden. I think we're actually celebrating that. And by being in the center where that entry motor court is, where we have commercial retail, um, it actually creates for a nice and inviting entrance that's well visible.
>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because when I saw your great renderings, um, to me, just stepping back, it was kind of difficult to determine what's residential, what's the hotel, because it all blends in, which is good. you don't want it to stand out too much, >> but then if I'm someone who's going to
use it, like where the heck is the hotel, you know, which door do I go in? Um, >> plus the fact that I have to pass two other hotels before I get to that one. Um, so they're kind of together, right? You got a Hilton, I think a Marriott,
and then you got this Motel 8. Whatever you're going to have in there, we don't know. >> Well, there's three motel there's three hospitality uses being proposed on site. They're in distinctly different locations. Uh and again through key wayfinding signage on site and through
branding signage, you know, some of the building mounted signs that are being proposed. Uh whether they're canopy signs or building mounted signs on the upper portions of the building. Driving down the road, I think it'll be pretty clear if it says Marriott or Hilton Garden or Hilton Tapestry through
branding and wayfinding. If someone has a reservation ahead of time, there will be clear signage where if they're interested and want to identify which is which building is which uh the wayfinding signage and the branding signage on the buildings will provide that. >> Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do see
signage being a very important part because >> it it needs to be done tastefully and it needs to be done correctly to be successful. >> Right. Otherwise, it could look like a maze and you get lost. Okay. Um, so my next question on that is this this specific hotel, who do you see as the
the customer, the client, who's going to want to go to this specific hotel? Maybe not the Hilton on this side, the Marriott on that side. What what type of um client are you trying to attract with that hotel? >> Well, I think they're each different, right? um when my wife and I travel
versus when we travel with our children versus when I travel for business, uh I might stay in a slightly different hotel, a slightly different size room, I might be looking for slightly different amenities. So, I think the three hotels and the hospitality uses cater to uh a
variety of product, right? And and the way people live and the way people travel, whether someone is here for a small corporate convention, right? Um, right. When I say a corporate convention, I'm I'm I'm headed to a uh I'm I'm headed to an event in a few
weeks time that's for senior living. Uh active adult independent living, memory care, etc. Right? It's at a hotel. There's pre-unction space. It's a professional event. Uh there's a discounted room rate to stay the night before. Right? That's a different clientele base versus maybe some of the
sports and entertainment uses that are here on site versus someone maybe vacationing Um, my kids are off to school this week, Thursday and Friday for a teachers convention. We were looking at maybe getting away, right? So, um, the the market is there for it.
I think the demand is there for it and but by having a diversified product, I think you're catering to the market, right? >> Um, and that's something that the applicant has researched with various hospitality vendors. >> Right. Right. Yeah. Well, so so the three categories you mentioned of clients is exactly the three that was in
my mind and why I asked was because of the residential nature that's surrounding it, right? So, um, if I'm a resident and I'm living there, um, do I want a bunch of sports guys coming in, whatever, going into the hotel, uh, you know, kind of invading the the area at
this one spot. Um, or if it's a convention, more businesslike. I saw that on some of the pictures you had a gentleman with suits on so it looked like it was kind of a business type client. Um versus a vacation which is a lot of kids you know
when people on vacation totally different and what that does to you know to the residents um around it. That's why I asked that's why I asked that question for that specific hotel. Um so so so back to this not uncommon. So
it's not uncommon to have a hotel and then residential ne right next to it or or around it. >> That's not uncommon. >> It is very common multif family and residential living is very akin to hospitality living in regards to types
of amenities, lobby experience. Um we see it very often in again suburban mixed juice uh developments like this. >> Okay. Okay. I'll leave that to the experts who understand the market. Uh my my real concern was about this the
Jackson structure and util you know fire police all that whether it can handle something of this magnitude. Do we have in place, Jackson, um enough resources if something goes wrong or even for
police, right? Um will there be guards or anything like that that from the development or it's all reliant on uh public police to police this whole thing? >> I'm not I don't know if we've gotten to
any plans for security. I guess that' be as needed. >> But I wanted to just supplement um my client indicates that the ball fields this year for 40 weeks had 1,200 need for,200 rooms. Um so they would take one
of you know any combination of the three. You have banquetss and weddings that would occur in the facility. They would need rooms. You have great adventure we're hoping draws people who are there. So you depending on the type of person and what kind of room they have, do they have three different hotel options, right?
>> Then whatever other reasons that people would need hotels, >> right? Right. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that. Um Okay. And then I'll just touch on because time is running out. I'm sure other people have other questions. So the special needs, right? Um
so special needs means each one is a little special and might have a different need. So, are each one of these special needs apartments are they catered to whoever that resident is going to be depending on on their special need?
>> I I could tell you that in just a first before the architect, there's um there were 24 units which are in six quads. So, there were four units per quad that are administered by one um company that
approved by the state. Um and then there's a separate group that's administered by a separate. So each it's typ not typical to have each resident handled by one service. It's usually combined like a manalop and they have 24 I believe it's 24. Right.
Yeah. Right. So that's how that's how it's done and that would be broken out and we have to get DCA approval for all of that because um they control the number of units and how they're handled. Um but I'm not sure from an architect's point of view. >> So I mean they're largely independent
living, right? Um I' I've designed I was before a municipality just the other evening for all supportive housing building and we had a gentleman from the United Way there talking about the tenants and the operations and how that all works. But we're anticipating veterans perhaps someone with MS or Down
syndrome largely independent living, right? So they don't require a nurse aid or a tech or you know um someone to administer medicine. That's not the type of special needs we're talking about. Now, okay, if there was a group home unit, there are state codes. There's a
full-time nurse tech that's there. You have two individuals there in a fourperson group home overnight hours. That's a different that's a different type of uh unit versus most of these units are typically independent living units, >> right? And the goal is that these patron
or these residents can work in one of the resale facilities or the hotels. That's that's how Manalpin was designed too. So they could just walk and have jobs and and a lot of the businesses try to >> bring special needs people to work. So
>> that was that's always the concept we had with any commercial related project. >> I I understand. Yeah. I was picturing like some kind of physical >> No. Um Okay. >> And they also have to income qualify too because they're affordable units. So,
not only do they need So, there's usually a spa state aid and other things associated with the residence. >> Right. Right. Yeah. So, to your point, having the retail there is a good place for a job or even the hotel. So, okay. All right. I'll leave it at that. Thank you, >> Mr. Peters.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Johnson, thank you for your testimony. It was a whole bunch better than listen to planners or realtors or appraisers. Thank you. Welcome. Um,
my questions will be to you. They may be to the entire team, but I often counsel the board that it's nice we see what we're getting. Just want to make sure what we're not getting as well. So,
as it relates to what you're calling phase one, is it your understanding that the intent of the parking is that all of the parking for these uses are meant to be within the bounds of this building or do they rely upon the park parking deck
across the street? Um, yes. So, so for for these uses, my understanding is all the parking is supported with the structure parking we're proposing here, including the retail is my understanding. Um, again, I think we're here for Mr. Bordon that we
do have a parking table that breaks out all the parking that we're providing by building, by floor. We will provide that to you. We will >> My concern simply is is if we get to the point where I don't have any comment about yield. My
concern is If part of the parking is across the street, how is that managed? >> Yeah. >> So, at some point in time, you're going to run out of parking. Understood. >> And so, I I I heard you sort of generalize and we're here for quite frankly, the applicants applied for
amendment, preliminary, and final approval. >> So, I'm trying to figure out how to how to set this up to do resolution compliance and get you to construction drawings. If the parking in the raised deck in the rear of the building is meant for
the residences, which portion is intended to be for the hotel, which portion is intended for retail, commercial, and then when we get to that tipping point, is some of it meant to be across the street? What I don't want to get into is that, well, if you don't have enough, you have to
assign it. That's just a terrible idea. Um, but I understand that this applicant at the beginning is going to own it. But if there's a lease for the hotel and there's an entity maintaining the rental apartments,
>> let's try to avoid that conflict before we get there. >> Understood. >> Simply by having the plan correct. >> Understood. We can we can provide a chart that breaks that out. And to just answer a couple of those questions or concerns, we have dedicated assigned numbered spaces for the residential
apartment units. We have dedicated spaces for the hotel. There are then uh retail spaces that will be signed as two-hour spaces or signed accordingly. Uh but going back to wayfinding earlier, there will be there will be signage throughout the parking garages that
identify that. We also have on-site leasing and management for the two residential apartment buildings that are there during business hours. The hotel is fully staffed. So, as there's a problem that arises, it's addressed in real time, right? Um I I always wish
that >> the project is so successful we have that problem. But the Friday and Saturday night >> people coming to the hotel, they're coming from the ball fields, they're going to eat at the restaurant or they're going to go shopping at the at the retail. And then I have this sort of
did we plan this correctly? And do we have a direct route to get across road B over to the other area? more of a planning issue than the safety issue, but I sure I want to make sure that the board understands what is being
designed with this sure nicel looking plan. >> All good comments will provide a parking table and chart that shares that. Um, >> sure. >> Um, Mr. Tremor on the end had started to ask you about um porches or balconies. So, I'm going to ask it a little
different way. Um, are there proposed patios, decks, or porches for any of the units in this structure? >> Yes. So, the um the units that are on the second floor of the building that
have direct access to the roof of the parking garage would have a small walkout terrace space, right? They have a a man landscaped amenity courtyard, right? There would be a fenced off or landscaped area with private secure
terraces at the second level of the building. I had provided testimony that within the courtyards, some of the residential apartment units may have walkout balconies. Yes. Along the exterior of the building, currently we're not proposing any exterior walkout balconies. In my experience, sometimes
balconies can be difficult to control what residents maybe put out there in regards to lights or in my experience with multif family, if you put if you give someone a space out of doors and you put a bar around it, they're going to put a barbecue out there. You're
going to put a table and some chairs. They're going to store their kids bicycles >> or beach umbrellas. It's going to become what >> the storage area that's not provided internally will be provided externally. >> Sure. Well, that's a great comment and again that's largely why when you look
at the exterior renderings of the building, you don't see those spaces on the exterior facade. We're cognizant of that the look and feel of this building. >> And again, I I apologize. I'm not I'm trying not to be nitpicky, but at this point, this is the set of plans that the board's being asked to act upon for both
preliminary and final site plan. >> Yes. And if we haven't gotten to the detail of, you know, are there areas where, and again, I understand in the second floor, it's a walk out, >> correct? So to speak, I'm talking about the the floors where there is no access outside. If you put something outside,
people are going to store crap out there. They're beach towels. They're something. >> We're not proposing any on the exterior public facing facades as shown on the renderings, as shown on the elevations, as shown on the building plans. That's our testimony. We agree with your concerns and comments. interior to the
courtyard. There may be some outdoor spaces. Those are managed through leases. Again, there's on-site leasing and management that's policed by the building. It's not visible from the out outside, right? Um but yes, the what we're proposing here is what we're
seeking approval for. So, I agree with your comment before is that the plans and the rendering of the elevation and the density and the height and the testimony provided is what the applicant is seeking approval for. >> Thank you. Um, we had this I wanted to
get an understanding of the uses on the amenity decks um up on the eighth floor. Um, the renderings that we had at one meeting. I don't think you were here. Um, Mr. Bordon and I went a few rounds about what's out there, who can use it,
what's it for, is it really permit. Can you give a little detail on I assume for the eighth floor it's for the hotel only. >> Yes. Um yes, the eighth floor is for the hotel only. Correct. >> And that's where we may have outdoor
pool. >> Well, we show >> I think I I think I shared extensive testimony earlier. I'm happy to repeat myself and we can go to that exhibit if we would if it makes sense. Um maybe we can go to sheet A8 which is the eighth floor of the building. But at the eighth
floor of the building where we have indoor banquet space associated with the hotel, we have walkout roof terrace space. This is accessible by hotel patrons and guests only. It's secure access that's limited to hours and
operations associated with the hotel associated with uh the municipality and ordinance. Um, we have a small passive on I use the laser pointer here. Uh, on the eastern portion of the building here, we have a small passive outdoor
seating area where we have some outdoor uh we have some outdoor couches and chairs that's off of some pre-unction and meeting space internal to the building. Again, common in my experience for a boutique hotel of 150 keys like this with some events space and
gathering space as well as a slightly larger amenity deck space here in an L-shape that provides for outdoor seating. Um, again, a places to congregate, you know, what perhaps places to dine seasonally associated with that indoor event space. We are
proposing a small pool. Uh, that's that's only associated with the hotel. Um, again, the testimony that shared earlier, the pool would be operational seasonally. It would be operational when a lifeguard was on duty. It has adequate fence and security and access to it that
complies with state health code as well as local code. Um, so we think these are smart amenities that are tastefully planned for the hotel. And then separately from the hotel on the sixth floor of the building, um we could zoom out. We see it on this plan, but um I
provided separate testimony earlier that we have passive recreational amenity space for building one and building two at the roof level where we extend an elevator to the roof which provides accessible access for all. Um, and we
have some opportunities for outdoor dining or gathering or sit and enjoy soda or a glass of wine with a friend or a spouse or, you know, a colleague, right? Um, so smartly designed spaces
that allow for wellness and being. So the sixth floor amenities are meant for >> sixth floor amenities are for residents of the two multif family buildings only. It's secure and direct access from the residential building. So unless I have a
key fob and I live in that building and I have a lease, I I can't gain access unless I'm a guest of a resident there, right? It's not it's not open or accessible to the public. It's not accessible to patrons of the hotel. It's not accessible to patrons of the retail.
just a residence uh of of that apartment community. Thank you. Um there was discussion about the location of the special needs units and I I apologize. I wanted you to correct me if I was if I didn't hear correctly.
They're meant to be on the second floor of the building. So, no, I don't I don't know if I said that. Um the 58 special need affordable units are all within building one which is the anticipated first phase of the building. Um and they
are located if we advance the or if we move to sheet A7 please. So I let's go back to A6 because A7 is the sixth floor of the building. Let's go to the this is the sheet A6. We're now looking at the sixth
floor of the residential building. I noted that the residential units generally stack for efficiency and plumbing and structural efficiency, but the the supportive housing units are located in this quadrant of the building. And they occur on every floor
of this residential building. So they occur they occur on floors two, three, four, five, and six of the building. Again they stack vertically because the unit plans stack uh their plumbing and structure etc stack for efficiency um again which is typical for a building of
this nature and I believe Mr. Alfie started to discuss how the special needs were made up and he indicated that there are quads that are proposed and I know that I'm
familiar with >> Yeah, >> I'm familiar with the product of your client and other locations and I just want to make sure that at some point we'll get more specific plans that show that as opposed to having a number of one-bedroom units, whatever the number is,
>> that it'll be the number of beds and they'll be made up of onebedroom units as well as quads because otherwise when you guys leave here, you're going to have an approval that you don't want to build and someone at the zoning department or the building department say, "Wait a second, we didn't we didn't approve quads."
>> Yes. I mean, I I believe what we're seeking is approval for a certain number of beds. Um now um the applicant we had made reference earlier that there would be a operator right for specifically the
special need affordable housing units in terms of how that lease works how you qualify rent structure etc. um as we identify that some of the beds could be grouped to your point there could be a quad but it's the same number of beds. So we're not concern is that in the in
the land use ordinance and out in the real world sometimes they don't match. So, if I get a zoning officer says, "You guys said you approved 50 units. Was it 50 units or was it 50 beds?" And it's I want to make that clear because
>> understood. I think I think we should be clear. I think we should be clear in the record in the resolution. >> And it's definitely beds. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Um, and as it relates to the hotel drop off area, um,
while I certainly appreciate the layout and I'm married to an architect, so sometimes I call them the pretty pictures, at some point in time, will there be a more detailed site plan from the user as it relates to the drop off
area, the street furniture, the vehicle circulation, the landscaping? Is that something that once we get a a user because again respectfully yours is a a very nice layout and Mr. Bordens is sort of the same but there not a lot of
specificity in that location and I would assume because Hilton wants it one way and the sheran wants it a different way. >> Sure. Well yes I think once once a user is on board some of that specificity would come on
board. We have a we have a vision for this and this is something that will stay. So we we the motor court we're showing uh Mr. Bordon provided testimony earlier but we have adequate turning radius for vehicles and access. Uh we envision a flush curb right with raised
ballards that provide for pedestrian safety and delineation and signage in regards to the drop off and where the valet is and how that queuing operation works. Um, but I agree some of the specificity will come once an operator is identified. Thank you. Those are all
questions I have. Madam Chair, >> just to sum up on the affordable uh housing units, you're saying it's 58 beds, not 58 units. >> 58 beds. That's correct. So, it's 58 beds total. >> Two-bedroom apartment, two-bedroom
apartments. Or that that means 29 could hold 58 beds. >> Yeah. So, um, currently in the plan, we're showing them all as one bedrooms, right? Uh, so if two onebs were combined together, uh, that could be a two a two
bed unit, right? Uh, if we combined three of them together, we can get a quad, right? We don't need uh because in a in a quad, they're sharing a living room. So, it's not like a a one-bedroom unit has a living room, a bedroom, and a kitchen, right? A quad has four
bedrooms, four baths or maybe three baths, but a shared living room. So, the width is smaller. So, what we're seeking approvals for is 58 beds. And then as we identify an operator, we'll work with them in regards to the breakdown of
singles versus doubles versus quads, if that makes sense. But that fits within the same area that we planned in the building. >> Sounds like dorm rooms. So you could conceptually have 58 one bedroomedroom apartments.
>> Currently the plan shows 58 single units or onebedroom units. Yes. But that but that still is 58 beds, >> right? And that's what we're seeking approval for. And what we're saying is that we may combine some of those, but that doesn't increase the density. They're still
>> uh you know they become two occupancy units as opposed to single occupancy. >> 58 residents, 58 beds. Single beds. Yes. or residences. Residents. Yes. >> Any additional questions for Mr. Johnson?
>> Mr. Heyman, >> can you give us some more detail on the exterior design of the garage buildings? You have some, if you go to A13, there's some picture design, some green design. Um, if you can just give us some
detail of what those are. Are those >> Sure. Sure. I'd be happy. more like so on the vertical on the vertical pre-cast parking garages where they're not lined or wrapped with residential apartment units. We've designed an architectural louver um system that screens the
parking garage. We're also then showing some vertical green walls as well as vertical signage or artwork. It's not really signage, it's more murals and artwork to to to activate that facade. Um that facade is largely not visible
from the public circulation on site. It faces the industrial use adjacent to us. Um but again we've attractively designed that or screen the parking garage levels where they're exposed on a internal road on the site. >> Right. So my question really is are they
considered um the building design are they replaceable? Are they going to be changed? meaning for example uh they are facing the bullfield are they going to be changed for the teams that are playing there are they signage or they considered part of the design
>> no it's part of the design so it's not it's not intended to be signage it's really art right so it's it's a screening vertical vertical green walls and then sort of a mural system could we make that a condition of approval that it's not to be like banner type things
>> yes >> okay >> I think that would require separate approval if it was signage and banners. >> I'm just making sure that's all. Thank you. Um the other thing I had was for the hotel parking the only access to that is from the rear of the hotel.
Um so the hotel parking access is either on the ground floor of the building in building one and two which then has direct access into the lobby or via garage one or garage two. So, garage one and garage two um have vehicular access
from on on the ground floor of the building. The testimony was that there's a ramp system. It's a split level ramp system where you go up a half level, then go up a half level, right? So, garage level one and two are ramping up seven floors to the roof level. And each
floor then provides access to garage three, which is immediately abutz. Um so, again, we'd have wayfinding signage. I think that was uh the testimony I provided earlier, but there'd be signage throughout the parking garages and on site identifying
where to go to park for the hotel and then where your convenient accesses from the secure structured parking into secure access points of the hotel. If I'm a resident of the hotel and I'm staying there for multiple days and I have my key fob pass, I can probably
enter in on the various floors of the hotel. If I'm arriving for the first time, I have to go check in at the front desk and show my identification and get a key pass and access, right? So, there's that typical operation and access that occurs. >> And lastly, uh the amenity decks. Are
there any playground areas for the residents being proposed or they're just open areas? >> Uh they are open open areas, open passive areas. We have some synthetic turf and some lawn areas as well as pa areas for passive recreation. Um the
site has more than enough adequate ball fields for ball play and that type of use. Um that is also an amenity. >> Are those accessible for the residents of these buildings >> during off hours >> in general? I mean a normal typical
development would require some kind of play area throughout the day. I think there's many residents that can reside in these buildings that they should have play area throughout the day. >> That's something we could certainly look at. Uh interior to the building, we have
children's playrooms, right, that are that are age targeted towards younger toddlers. We have club room areas with gaming systems, uh you know, old school Pac-Man games, fooball, uh billiards tables, etc. Right? that
that again is age targeted more towards tween. Uh and then we have passive recreation within the courtyard spaces. In regards to outdoor recreation, residents of this building, residents of the community would have access to uh community park system at large and some
of the other space on site, but that's certainly something that we could study. >> Yeah, I think that would be important for the residents to have access to >> We could study that. I mean, again, >> playground area. >> Sure. I mean that's a great comment and as as there's a demand for that in the market I think the applicant would
certainly address that. >> Thank you. >> Anything else Mr. Johnson? >> No. Thank you. >> Um I would just like to say I thought you did a phenomenal job. I have a lot of information. It's one thing to look at the pictures but I thought you were very clear. I definitely think it made
it easier for me. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Let me open it to the public. Although, we know there's nobody else here but your team. >> Um, we're going to go ahead and open it to the public. Anyone wishing to come forward and question Mr. Johnson on his testimony. Seeing no one come forward, we're going to go ahead and close public session. Um, it is now 10:28. Mr.
Alfuri, rather than get started, um, we all realize you're going to have to come back. So, at this point, do we want to find a date? And then if you want to make any closing remarks for tonight, you're more than welcome. >> S, do we want January 21st, February
4th? >> Just let me check with our team. >> Sure. Yeah, it's enough time for us to plan. January 21st >> works >> January 21st. >> Yeah, that's a meeting that's already been established. Then you're
>> sorry, Miss Go ahead. >> The January 21st meeting has already been you already established your calendar for that time. >> We have one applicant on currently, correct? >> No, but it's okay. >> Yeah, >> that's a date. That's already established. Okay, fine. So, yeah, January 21st would be perfect.
>> And um Mr. Al, you wave the stat >> granted extension. Yes. >> And you'll announce that to the public that there's no further notice. >> No further notice is required. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you everyone.
>> Thank you. >> Wait, I'm The question of the density. >> Yeah, we're going to address that. >> When are we going to address it? >> At the next meeting, January. >> So, it is at the next meeting. Yes. >> I thought it was going to be at this meeting. >> No, that's what we said at the beginning. >> Passing it.
>> No, it said at the beginning. It was not going to be at this meeting. >> Definitely at the next meeting. >> No, because we have three new members. That's the difference. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to I was waiting for them to finish talking. So, motion to adjurnn. All in favor? I.