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I got a phone call last week saying that it was my field trip. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> That's good. >> Mhm. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> This meeting complies with the Open Public Meetings Act. Notice of this meeting was published on the municipal

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bulletin board and the applicable website. >> Roll call, please, Kathleen. >> Mr. Hyman. >> Here. >> Mr. Martins. >> Here. >> Mr. Rosol. >> Here. >> Mr. Tremmer. >> Here. >> Ms. Cusano. >> Here. >> Mr. Selecky. >> Here. >> Dr. Hofstien. >> Here. >> Ms. Bradley.

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>> Here. >> Ms. Cipriani, I believe we have a resolution this evening. >> Yes, we have one resolution. It's 2026-14, granting two one-year extensions to the previously approved preliminary and final site plan approval Um

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with use variance for modification of previous approval for the retail center and existing gas station with convenience store for property located at 330 Whitesville Road. This is simply a memorialization of the board's decision. I need a motion and a second to approve

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the resolution, please. >> Make a motion to approve. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Roll call, please, Kathleen. >> [cough] >> Mr. Martins. >> Yes. >> Mr. Trummer. >> Yes. >> Ms. Cusano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Salekia.

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>> Yes. >> Dr. Hofstein. >> Yes. >> Ms. Bradley. >> Yes. >> We have minutes this evening from the June 3rd, 2026 meeting. Again, I just want to say Kathy, thank you for them being so prompt. We need a motion and a second to approve the minutes, please. >> Make a motion we approve.

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>> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Hyman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Martins. >> Yes. >> Ms. Rozell. >> Yes. >> Mr. Trummer. >> Yes. >> Ms. Cusano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Salekia. >> Yes. >> Dr. Hofstein. >> Yes. >> Ms. Bradley.

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>> Yes. >> Okay, [clears throat] and I have the voucher for this evening's meeting for the recording secretary from the Township of Jackson for in the amount of $175. I need a motion and a second to pay the voucher, please. >> Motion to pay. >> Second. >> Roll call, please.

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>> Mr. Hyman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Martins. >> Yes. >> Ms. Rozell. >> Yes. >> Mr. Trummer. >> Yes. >> Ms. Cusano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Salekia. >> Yes. >> Dr. Hofstein. >> Yes. >> Ms. Bradley. >> Yes. >> Okay, we have announcements this evening, Ms. Cipriani? >> We do not.

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>> Okay, so we are now going to swear in our professionals. >> Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you will give before this board will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Please state your name and position for the record. >> Matt Wilder, board engineer. >> Ernie Peters, board planner.

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>> Gina Tumolo, zoning officer. >> Thank you. We have no executive session this evening. No matters for discussion. >> Um actually, if I may, Madam Chair, just very briefly, um I just it seems not appropriate as an announcement, but but um

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a number of board members, and I think we discussed it previously, have talked about um the fact that it would be useful to have some sort of identifying um badge or uh something when you go on to properties, that sometimes when you go to visit properties, although the

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applicants have consented to your being there as part of the application, they don't know you're there, and it's an uncomfortable thing. So, I I was in discussion with the township administrator today, and you are going to be provided with badges, um and the administrator, who is also a former

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police officer, suggested that if either as a regular practice, or if there's a particular concern um that you think that someone might object, you can always call the police beforehand, let them know just that you're going to go there, so if someone then contacts the police department, the police department

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will advise um that you're there from the zoning board. Thank you. All right. So, we are going to move on to applicant number one, Raymond Torres Jr., variance 3556. That's 8 Dante Court. You can come to the microphone,

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please, sir. >> [cough] >> Uh there's no microphone there, though. Oh, whoops. You can put it in the stand if you want, Brian. >> Mr., are you here on your own behalf? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Um so, I'm going to swear you in just because when that happens, sort of

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you're giving an application [clears throat] and providing testimony at the same time. Do you swear and affirm that you will give before this board will be the truth and nothing >> I do. >> Thank you. >> State your name one more >> Raymond Torres Jr. 8 Oakley Court. >> Mr. Torres, why don't you tell us what you're looking to do?

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>> Sure. We're going to put in a 30 by 80 by 12 pole barn. Um because I have wetlands and wetland buffer, I tried to manipulate it the best I can, but it kind of every time it encroaches on everything it varies regardless of where I put it. So, the position in which I put in right now, I don't know if you guys have a copy, I can I'll bring it with me if

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you'd like to see it. Um it's 15 from the fence line and 35 from the rear >> Mr. Torres, I'm sorry I'm going to stop you a second. It's just it's really hard to hear in here. If you could speak um in the microphone and maybe just a tad more slowly. You could sit down at the table if you

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want. >> No, I'm originally from >> [clears throat] >> I I grew up in North Jersey, so I talk very I'll slow it down. >> And if it's more comfortable for you to sit, then you shall free. >> I'm I'm comfortable. >> Okay. >> Um 15 ft off the fence line from the left side of the structure. I'm sorry,

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from the left side of the uh property line and 35 from the rear setback from the property line. When I manipulated it, it would encroach on the I would need a variance for the left side or I'd need a variance from the back either way. >> And what will the pole barn be made of, sir? >> I'm sorry. >> What will the pole barn be made of?

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>> Sure, it's a it's wood footer I'm sorry uh concrete footings with uh uh >> wood uprights >> Yeah, it's it's wood uprights with like slat it's slat metal on the outside. Um >> [clears throat] >> it's just a pole it's a pole pole structure and then the bottom of it the

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flooring will be 4 in concrete 4,000 PSI. 4 in. >> Water or electric? >> I'm just putting electric. Or I would like to put electric rather. >> [cough and clears throat] >> Forgive me, it's allergy season. Um what will the pole barn be used for?

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>> Storage. I have my basement is inundated with children's toys, uh Christmas and Halloween decorations. I have a home gym I'd like to maybe move that out of my basement into the pole barn. And then just handfuls so I can actually utilize my garage for my cars. >> Madam Chair.

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>> Yes, Mr. Chair. >> I'll be the bad guy. Um just for the record so there's no confusion. It's not being used for non-residential purpose. You're not going to run a commercial business or operation out of there. You're not going to have a school or a house of worship or going to be a

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residential garage for you. >> Yeah, it's it's just storage. I'm not even putting vehicles in there. >> Thank you. >> [cough and clears throat] >> Any other questions or comments for the applicant? Mr. Selecky? >> I I just have one. So I was there this morning. >> Sure. >> Um the iron fence that you have there. How

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far from the front of the the fence in the front, how far back will it be before this pole barn starts? Cuz I was trying to figure out. >> You're talking from like the front on like that when you're on the curb of the house? >> I was on the left side. >> Yeah. >> We have the >> I'm saying the right in the front where that double gate is? >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Um don't actually know the answer to that. >> Approximately. >> And I didn't think to measure. Uh but when I went back there each of those sections are 6-ft sections. So maybe >> That's what I That's what I I tried

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counting 6-ft sections to >> Besides getting my my long tape measure out that's how I was counting cuz it's standard 6-ft. >> [clears throat] >> It's a question to Mr. Wilder. Will there be any drainage problems on to his property or his neighbors?

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>> So I I do have some questions. I'll run through them and I think that might answer your question, Dr. Austin. Um So you noted that there's sort of wetlands off to the side of of where you're proposing the pole barn. Is any >> in the back? >> Yes. >> Yeah.

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>> So I guess first what led you to this particular position? I mean the the the rear of your lot is heavily wooded. Um and I estimate it's probably like 200 ft back beyond the limit of the house if if not a little bit more. Just why so

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far into the back? >> Uh the closer I get it to the like to the front of the the the uh the fence line, it's I know on here it looks like it's huge when you go out there in person it's it's like right in front of you. It's like this big eyesore that's going to be right there. And on top of that, um even if I move it to the right diagonally

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this way this way, I'm I don't have much room to either put a pool eventually in. So I'd like to keep it as far back as possible so I can maybe utilize this area for a pool in the future. >> Okay. So any tree clearing would need to be in accordance with the township ordinance with with respect to the number of trees you're removing.

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Um I assume uh the property drains from where the pole barn is towards the wetland area so it drains left to right. Is that correct? >> I believe so, yes. >> Okay. Are there any drainage issues that you're aware of currently in that part of the site? >> No. Um I'm actually I'm putting in a

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There's going to be gutters on the structure itself. >> Okay. >> Um if I have to put a dry well in I'll put a dry well. >> Okay. Uh I think it's a You beat me to it. I would recommend gutters. I would recommend a dry well. >> That's That's inside. If you'd like to see I have it inside the uh uh the contract with the

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>> Okay. Great. Um As any condition of approval you'll be required to submit a plot plan to the township. Um the you may need DEP permits so that the the conservation easement that was established with when the site when the

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property was created by subdivision. Um wetlands do change over time. You're going to need to hire an engineer to do a plot plan. They may be able to do a a site visit to delineate where the wetlands currently exist. So when you get a freshwater

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wetland permit, they're good for a period of 5 years. This has since expired. Um you may not need DEP permits, but when you submit for the plot plan when you retain the engineer just I'm sure they'll guide you as to what may be required from the DEP for >> Even though this

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>> is not even anywhere near it, it's just like on the lot. >> So, wetlands change over time the location as well as the required buffer. So, every wetland body or at least this one will have a buffer associated with it. The buffers are typically 0 ft, 150 or 50 ft or 150 ft.

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So, where the wetland 10, 15, 20 years ago could have had a 50-ft buffer, they now might have a 150-ft buffer. So, the engineer that you retain will likely be able to provide that guidance. Hopefully, you don't need any permit from the state, but just keep in mind that depending upon the information they

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provide, you may need a DEP permit. >> Okay. >> And that would have to be addressed at the time of plot plan. >> Okay. Did you >> Yes. >> Yeah, um in your pictures that you submitted, uh it looks like you have a couple of bays.

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>> Yep. >> Are those bays or those windows? >> No, those are just garage doors. The way that the this company does it, it's all garage doors. >> But you're not storing any vehicles in there? >> No. It's just storage. >> And can you just tell us what the need

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for such a large pole barn is? I mean, if you >> basement is completely filled with Christmas, Halloween decorations. I can't even utilize it. I've children's toys. I've a full gym in my basement that I'd like to move into there. In my garage, I have hand tools. I just want to get it out of there so I can actually park my cars. >> You're saying that you need such a

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massive one because if you minimize it just a little bit, you wouldn't necessarily need those same side, you know, setback uh variances. If you minimize if you made it a little bit smaller, you wouldn't necessarily need, you know,

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the side yard or the rear yard setback. >> I mean, it wouldn't change the the 30, maybe the 80, but I I mean, I my dad has one. He's right down the block from me and >> I know. >> his is filled up too with a bunch of stuff that, you know, like storage for

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him as well, so. >> But now actually I was there um today and I went through it. Uh you know, I just drove down the block. I wrote down in my notes somewhere. I noticed that there's about like three or four homes that

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actually have similar ones. That's why I was just I was just there. I don't know if they needed any variances for theirs, but that's why I was asking you if you needed that size specifically and you could just avoid that variance. >> No matter what it I would have to come

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anyway cuz depending on Are you Are you saying if I rotated it the other way? Like 90° from what it's at now? >> Either that or make it a little bit smaller. That's what I was >> Yeah, cuz it it would still sit in the middle of the entire lot and then it would have to be 100 ft back which is like right over here and then it would still encroach either way cuz I went down from 80 to 60. I would prefer the

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80, but even with the 60 it's going to come on onto the side setback, too. And then it limits the amount of space I have in the future to put a pool in the backyard. >> All right. Thank you. >> Martens? >> Yeah. Two things. Um So [snorts] one is

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the amount of um the setback that that you're basically eliminating, right? You said a 15 versus 50 which is the required, right? [clears throat] So that's roughly 70% gone, right? That's what you're asking

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for. Same thing on the 35 versus 100, roughly 65% 70%. To me that that's a lot. The um it's not like you're at Okay, well, I'm a little bit off what the setback is required. If let's say it's 100, all

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right, I'm at 75 or something. Usually that's okay, but seven um why so much? Why do you need to use so much of the setback? >> Like I said, like depending if I would prefer it to have the other way oriented this way, but

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even if I Why that I have to come all the way up and on top of that like I said, like I don't have a lot of space. That what I this wetland buffer in the wetland adjacent to the wall a lot. I know it doesn't look like a lot here. When you go out there and I actually like stood where it would go and put the spikes out, it's like right in the middle of my property.

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>> Right. Right. Okay. Um >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um on the size, right? You know the rule when it comes to storage and finding junk that you can put in there, you build it, it will come. Right? So, the bigger it is, the

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more junk you're going to find to put it in there. Um even if you have to go on Marketplace and buy new stuff. Um I was You consider that. Consider the size. I hear you, right? The your basement is full right now. And you're going to unfill you know, take all that out, put

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it in there. And if there's any open room, you're going to find more stuff. >> I have full I have a full-size nativity and I haven't been able to put out since I'm at my parents' house, which is down the block. So, eventually I'd like to get that here so that I can actually utilize it. in front of my my lawn for Christmas. So, they have a bunch of my stuff in their garage that I need to

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bring it to mine and takes up a bed. It's it's huge. >> Right. >> a little obnoxious. Like it's like 7-ft tall, but >> [laughter] >> Yeah, I hear you. Okay, thanks. That That was it. >> Palmer? >> I get what you're doing. You're trying to minimize the effect on the yard for

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the pool and all that. Um Is there any issue if you had to move it a couple feet into the yard? >> I'm open to suggestions. Like I I literally was sitting there with the I cut a little piece of paper out. That was what I I used the scale to the best

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I could. I was trying to manipulate it and it just every time I moved it, it kind of just didn't wasn't working. >> Totally get it. I I would do the same. >> open to it. >> If it was up to me, I'd be trying to shove it against the fence. >> Well, I would have liked to see that, too, but I don't think that's possible. >> [laughter]

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>> I I tried to do the same thing at my my other house. Um you have There's no neighbors back there or anything. This >> It's woods and woods. >> So, it's not affecting anybody. So, it really doesn't affect anything. >> If it did, [laughter] I I would have found another location for it. You see like I love my neighbors. >> Yeah. No, that

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I I don't see any any issues there. It's It's The squirrels don't like it, they can move on. >> I'm okay with that. My Yeah. >> I know you are. >> [laughter] >> Questions or comments? >> There is one more. Sorry. Um [clears throat] just for our engineer, is there any

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issue with the water runoff due to the size of the structure? Is there any issue with the water runoff? >> No, so the the applicant testified and it makes sense that the site drains, if you're looking at the plan, left to right towards the wetlands. Um so, any

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additional runoff would naturally flow into the wetlands. He did agree to put gutters in a dry well. So, I'm not really concerned that he'll negatively impact any adjacent properties. I Again, I do think it's really far from the house. I know if I had to walk that far every time I wanted to work out, I'd work out even less than I already do.

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>> [laughter] >> Even the wind through the cold to wake me up. >> Yeah, yeah. Um so, it really is tucked back there, but to the applicant's um credit, what he says there are no adjacent really neighbors. It is just woods. >> Thank you. >> Questions from the board? I'm going to

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go ahead and open it to the public. Anyone wishing forward and comment on what you've heard this evening, please do so now. No one come forward, I'm going to go ahead and close the public session. Board is up to ask for uh discussion. >> [cough] >> You [clears throat] still required

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>> Excuse me, I'm sorry. Oh, no, you can come back. Yes, I'm sorry. >> Uh so, the conditions that were discussed that it would be uh for storage only no residential commercial or institutional uses obviously complying with the tree removal ordinance and obtaining any necessary

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outside approvals. That was that you heard the uh testimony on the C variant standards. I described the hardship due to the physical conditions of the property with the wetlands and also the uh benefits and that uh

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testimony indicating there would be no substantial detriment to the public good. There's no adjacent property owners or uh neighbors basically not property owners but neighbors. Um and uh therefore the the granting would not substantially impair the intent of the

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zone plan but obviously that's for the board to decide. >> I've no problem with it. Can I make a motion? I'll make a motion to approve it. It makes sense because it has zero effect on anything and water runoff and everything. So I make a motion to

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approve. >> I second that. >> We have a motion and a second. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Hyman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Martins. >> Yes, because of what Mr. Tremor said. I I agree 100%. >> Mr. Rozzall. >> Yes. >> Mr. Tremor.

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>> Yes. >> Ms. Cristiano. >> Yes. >> Mr. Seleccia. >> Dr. Hopson. >> Yes. >> Ms. Bradley. >> Yes. >> That's been granted. Thank you. >> Thank you for your time. I appreciate you hearing me out. >> Thank you.

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>> Joy, fill that thing up. Sorry, Cathy. >> That's all right. I was going to manage to choke that out. >> [laughter] >> All right. We are going to move to what was listed as number four on the agenda which is applicant 528 LLC

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time extension of preliminary and final site plan 845 with minor subdivision 1412 with Us Variance 3333. I hope I got all of it. >> Good evening. Stephen Leone Schram of the law firm of Schram Leone Diamond

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Doyle, Guttman and Petro. >> And you got all of that? >> Uh thank you Madam Chairman and Board to allowing us to jump ahead a little bit here. Hope you won't take much of your time. We're

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here to seek an extension of an approval uh number 2022-18, which for was for a site plan and subdivision of lots block 13801

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lots 4.015 and 6.01 on East Veterans Road. The last extension the first extension granted by the board expired April 20 25. So, we're seeking a second extension and

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a third extension. The second extension and that would be the final extension, the third. The second extension would be retroactive from April uh 2020 25 to April 2026

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and the third extension would be from April 2026 to April 2027 I have one witness, Mr. Ryan Murphy, the engineer for the project, come forward and explain why we haven't been able to

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conclude. Thank you. >> [cough] >> Mr. Murphy, do you swear or affirm that the testimony you'll give before this board will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> I do. Ryan Murphy, M U R P H Y, 1856 Route 9 in Toms River, principal of the DWG

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Associates, licensed engineer and planner in the state of New Jersey. >> This board accepts your credentials. Thank you. >> Thank you. The Some of you were here the last time we had to come back for the extension. We're here for the same reason. The county is is doing a

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master change to uh Cross Street. This is right at the intersec- end intersection of East Veterans and Cross Street. They're still playing with it. Uh we're realigning our entrance to line up with theirs. We've added an additional

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turning lane. We've added some additional lanes on our side of the street as well. We believe we're very close to matching what their final product is going to be, but it's all dependent on their final product. That's why we can't finalize

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with the county. Uh so we have all of our approvals in place. We've gotten extensions for many of our approvals. Uh the last thing that we're waiting for is county. We're close. We're not there yet. We're still waiting for the county to say, "Yeah, you're good. You're finalized." Um and that

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that's really all we're waiting for is just the county. We we We'd be built by now if we could have been. >> Thank you. >> [cough and clears throat] >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Murphy, uh this is a request pre- preliminary and final site plan and

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the minor subdivision. >> Yes, sir. >> And the use variance. >> Yep. >> The zoning for the property has not changed. >> That's correct. >> That's all I had, Madam Chair. >> And I was on the board when we had granted the previous extension, and I know that we put on the record then, and at actually at the original hearing it

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was put on the record about the county doing the road work there. So unfortunately, as you pointed out back then, that this probably would happen, and here we are. So I, you know, I'm I know nothing's changed the zoning or anything. So any other questions or comments for Mr. Murphy? Mr. Hyman?

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>> As you wanted uh uh I have no issue with the time extension. Uh you know, obviously as you stated, you know, time on your hands from the county. I was just wondering why waiting till it was expired to come to the board. >> We've been going back and forth constantly with the county

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and every time we think we're kind of close where they're finalized, they keep pulling it pulling it back and changing their mind. Uh so, that's why we're back now. We're We do believe we're actually very close. Uh so, we want to >> Uh so, we only really needed a 1-year

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extension, but once you're here >> Well, that would put us to April, so we would just want to be safe. >> Got you. All right. Thank you. >> to waste the board's time coming back again. >> And last time you were here, you thought 1 year would do it. >> We did. >> [laughter] >> Apparently, I was too optimistic. >> Any other questions or comments?

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I'm going to open it to the public at this point. Anybody wish to come forward based on what they've just heard about the time extension? Seeing no one come forward, we're going to go ahead and close public session. Board accepts us for discussion about the time extension.

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>> If nobody has any comments, I would say it's appropriate to grant it and I would make a motion to approve. >> Second. >> We have a motion [clears throat] and a second. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Hyman? >> Yes. >> Mr. Martins? >> Yes. >> Mr. Rozell? >> Yes. >> Mr. Tremor?

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>> Yes. >> Ms. Cusano? >> Yes. >> Dr. Hofstein? >> Yes. >> Ms. Bradley? >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. That's probably your easiest insurance forever, [laughter] right? >> Thank you. >> Can we get him on the phone one? >> Now, we are going to move on to what was

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number two on the application, Matthew and Elizabeth Flanigan, variance 3557, 616 Ally Burke Road. >> [cough] >> If you could both I my guess is you'll both end up talking at some point. Um do

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you swear from the testimony you'll give before this board will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> Yes. >> And could you each state your name into the microphone? >> Elizabeth Flanigan. >> And Matthew Flanigan. >> Thank you. >> Let me just say, I'm sure you heard us

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say before, the acoustics in here stink. It's very hard to hear up here, so just yell if you have to. Okay, so why don't you tell us what you're looking to do. >> We're we're looking to make a small addition to our home to get a single car garage with a room behind it, so we can

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have some space in the house that we purchased. Um currently do not have a garage. We have a driveway leading up to an empty space where a garage might be. Um and because of this request, I guess we are requesting a variance for the property structure. Um we're kind of limited in space the way the property

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currently exists. It's about an acre, but it's goes pretty deep back and on the angle. And the only other opportunity to get an addition built would be to go up, which would require us to invest a lot more money than we have. With plumbing and additional electric work and everything like that,

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duct work for HVAC and stuff like that, so we're trying to minimize the project and obviously avoid plumbing and stuff like that by doing it this way. >> Madam Chair. >> Excuse me. Yes, if I might. Sir, thank you for your testimony. I thought your bride would do all the

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talking, but good for you. >> She likely will. >> Um your property, is it a perfect rectangle? >> Uh it is >> kind of sideways, right? >> That that bottom right corner right there? >> It's kind of a rectangle out that way.

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>> So, it's it's not a perpendicular, it's not where the side of the house is >> equidistant to the >> side property line, correct? >> Correct. >> So, they have a an existing irregularly shaped lot. Um without testifying for the applicant,

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they're also in a uh zone where their lot size and the bulk requirements are pre-existing non-conforming. So, anything they do would be an exacerbation of the pre-existing non-conforming condition. But, if you look at the property, if

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this were a perfect rectangle, they may not need as much relief and may be able to do something a little different. But, I would again, without testifying for the applicant, suggest that because of the irregular shape of the property, they've done a a pretty good job of

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taking into account the physical limitations on the property when placing the proposed improvements. >> [cough] >> Thank you. >> Mr. Miller? >> Thank you. I would also like to add just for the record and for the board's awareness that uh the uh setback

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requirements are um more restrictive because of the standard septic system. Uh the code allows for less stringent setbacks should he put in an alternative treatment, but that's also um a

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pretty big ask financially. So, just wanted to make sure everybody was aware of that that the zone does offer two different sets of conditions depending on the septic system on the property. >> Well, thank you. Mr. Wilder? >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Just a couple of questions to sort of run through. Um you

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currently have an air conditioning unit on the south side. And I know the plan indicates you're going to I guess do mini splits instead of that air conditioning unit. >> No, we're going to add a mini split to the back room. >> Okay. So, um on the south side, on the neighbor side, or towards the pool side? >> It's going to be towards the pool side.

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>> Great. Um and the house is currently served by well and septic? >> Uh septic and city. >> City. Um do you know roughly where the septic is? Will the addition impact the septic system? >> Not at all. >> Perfect. Oops. So, the off-street parking that you're

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required to provide as well as the size of the septic system is based on the number of bedrooms in the house. Just want to confirm that the room that's labeled great room on the architectural plans won't be used as a bedroom. >> No, just a couch essentially. >> Perfect. Might be your bedroom sometimes. >> It's going to be your man cave.

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>> [laughter] >> Are there any drainage issues that you're aware of on that side of your home? >> No. >> Um, and as any condition of approval, you'll need to apply to the township engineer with a plot plan that sort of shows how you're going to grade the land. Do you take any exception to that? >> Not at all.

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>> Madam Chair, that's all I have. >> Do you have any questions or comments for the applicant? >> Just to clear up a couple of things. Um, on the application, you have is both of you as the uh, owners. Who is Miguel Hernandez?

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>> He's our architect that has uh, quite a substantial amount of money for this this drawing here. >> [laughter] >> He's the architect in the room. >> Yes, sir. >> And why do we have so many pages about septic system?

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>> That's what Miss Timko >> Yeah, I I Yes. >> Well, I don't know why he added so many pages to the plan, but the septic system, the type that is currently servicing the property is important because the zone has different requirements should these the property

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be serviced by standard or the alternate design treatment system. >> It's It's Is it a pine lands type of septic that they need? >> [clears throat] >> It is in a PV zone. So, if you have uh, standard septic, you have one set of

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zone setback regulations, and if you're if you want to upgrade to the alternative treatment system, then you would have a different set of regulations. >> pine lands tells you to to put in. >> Well, this is our our own township code,

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Dr. Offstein. >> We're not changing the bedroom count at all. It's just just a man cave, so it shouldn't affect the septic. >> So, it's definitely not a man cave. >> It's not a man cave. >> [laughter] >> She corrected that real quick. >> I'm a little jealous. Hold your ground. >> Our home is a small ranch, so our family

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room now is right by the front door. It's really just meant for us to have bigger space for the four of us to, you know, watch TV and hang out. Definitely not a man >> a very I have a very similar [laughter] house. I I get it. >> She said, "Honey, are you paying attention?"

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>> I got it. There's no basement underneath this, right? >> Sorry? >> Underneath the new space, no. >> [clears throat] >> Any additional questions, comments? As you heard me do before I'm sorry, Mr. Wolf, forgive me. >> It's okay. I honestly thought you would

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have brought this up, but I want to talk about the shed. >> Oh. >> That we have that is marked on the survey of the property, so um you know, our our records aren't really that great, but I'm not showing anything in our system, so I did want to

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at least have the board address that. I'm assuming because we have the setback distances marked that we're intending to keep that. >> It won't fit in the corner there. It would be kind of jammed in, so we're going to move it. >> Okay. So, we're moving it from where it's located on this survey.

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>> Yeah, in this back corner here. I'm sorry. I think if either we're going to move it to the opposite corner or in the back like beyond the fence line. >> Okay. Cuz All right. So, there it is going to be to be relocated. So, if we can have that on the record, that will require a

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zoning permit. We can do it all at once on the same zoning permit, but it will require zoning review. So, just wanted to put that on the record. And depending which side you put it on, obviously that 10-ft um setback cuz as it being an accessory structure, accessory structures are

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required to have a 10-ft setback from the principal. So, that would also still apply. Okay? Thank you. >> Any other questions or comments? I'm going to go ahead and open it to the public. Seeing no one come forward at this time, we're going to go ahead and close [laughter] the public. Um board accepts

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for discussion. >> Make a motion to approve. >> This was easy. >> I I second. >> We have a motion and a second. Roll call, please. >> Oh, I'm I'm just >> Mr. Hyman? >> I'm sorry. >> Yes.

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>> Mr. Mortons? >> Yeah, I just want to say um so, all the un not testimony from our planner from our experts, I think is very good and then basically made the decision for me. So, thanks. >> Ms. Rozell? >> Yes.

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>> Mr. Trimmer? >> Yes. >> Ms. Cusano? >> Yes. >> Dr. Hofstein? >> Yes. >> Ms. Bradley? >> Yes. >> Approved. >> Thank you. >> Do you want a not man cave? >> [laughter] >> It'll be a a rare day.

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>> I'm sorry. Mr. Hyman just >> Um pointed out, it appears that the next person is not there unless there's someone in the hall. I I think that's I believe uh the last application is Mr. Corniola. So, >> Oh, you're right.

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Well, Mr. Hyman's right. But, I don't know if we have contact information if we want to reach out. So, we obviously can take Mr. Corniola and just give his as we go an opportunity to

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It that would Yeah, thank you. Please don't. >> Let us just move forward. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> While Ms. Tumalo reaches out to that applicant, we're going to go ahead and move to applicant number five, David Corniola and Tracy Luisi, variance 3559,

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2 Chopin Place. >> [clears throat] >> Waited so patiently. Thank you. Oh, wait. Wait. Wait. >> [laughter] >> I'm sorry. Are you Ms. Uh Gazanigo? Okay. That's okay. We're just going to take this application first.

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I'm sorry. >> Sorry, Mr. Corn. Go ahead. >> No problem. >> Yeah, let's get it together. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you give before this board will be the truth and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> And could you state your name once more for the uh record? >> David Corniola.

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>> Thank you. Mr. Corniola, why don't you tell us what you're planning to do? >> Sure. So, I'm proposing to build build have delivered a 14 by 30 wood shed storage shed. It'll have two overhead doors rather than barn doors, but I submitted a

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notarized affidavit saying it's purely for storage. Can't even fit a vehicle. It's just that I prefer the overhead doors for like lawn mower access and pool storage, that kind of stuff. It'll have uh kids toys, pool storage, lawn mower, tools. The main reason for the variance [cough]

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is that I'm requesting a 15-ft setback and move to a 25 by 40-ft primarily because of I'm a corner lot. Uh so, I have two front yards, no backyard. Uh we have a proposed pool which you can see on the the uh survey. Uh if I move it to

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being compliant with the setbacks, it would be in that corner, basically on top of my well, or in the pool, or on my deck, basically taking up a very large portion of the usable space in my yard. I have two small children. I intend to keep as much free space available for them to use as possible.

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And I don't believe that there is any opportunity on the other side of my property to place the shed where it would be in accordance with the rest of the setbacks. >> [cough] >> Excuse me. Abutters? >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um Mr. Corniola

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must have taken a land use class before he came here tonight. >> [laughter] >> He sort of He gave you all the proof you needed to hear if the board's um >> [clears throat] >> finds a reason finds in the affirmative on the application. He's spoken about um

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the two frontages, um the fact that he's in a an R3 zone and has a pre-existing undersized lot, um and he's reconciled some of the existing and proposed improvements on the site. So, from a planning perspective, I don't take any exception to the testimony

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provided by the applicant. Abutter? Thank you, Madam Chair. If we could just run through a couple of questions, um what utilities will be run to the structure if any? >> Just electric for overhead lights and outlets for like trickle charger, lawn mower.

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>> Um from the plan that you submitted, it appears that all of the the grade goes towards Ross Lane. >> That's correct. >> Um so, the construction of the of the shed will not negatively impact any adjacent property with respect to storm water runoff. >> No, and it will be placed on top of a gravel level pad for drainage. And I

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think may have told you as proposed that I install a gutter system on that, which totally fine doing as well. And that will also drain out towards Ross Lane. >> Um is the property currently served by a septic system? >> Yes. >> Do you know where that is? >> Yeah. So, if you're looking at the plan, it's on the Ross Lane side. I can't tell

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you the measurements exactly, but >> unimpacted by the proposed shed. Perfect. Um Uh any issue with putting gutters on on shed? Um and the reason I think it's important in this circumstance is 3 ft is not a lot of distance. So, my

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preference is that you provide gutters that direct runoff towards Ross Lane to ensure that you don't have any detrimental drainage impact. >> Not a problem at all. And I'm also fine with running that drainage out a little bit further towards Ross Lane and moving it into like a pop-up vent or something to make sure it's nowhere near that.

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>> Okay. Madam Chair, that's all I have. >> Oh, any comments? Yes, thank you. Um I'm just pulling up an email back Friday, February 20th, 2026. I was assisting your pool company

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with a pool permit and I did make it known and provided prior approvals in regards to the fence that is was installed outside of the fence permit approval. We have plans to move that back to the property line.

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>> Yeah, so I was intending to wait until this resolution so that I >> I know you and I had discussed it previously, but just so the board could hear and it could [clears throat] be on on the record. >> I'd rather do it once. >> There you go. So, not to speak for the applicant, but it was previously discussed, but so it would be

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on the record, he is intending to move the fencing. >> Moving the fencing to to the property line or what was where is it being moved to? You're going to move it to the property line? >> As long as that's allowed directly on the property line. >> Yes, it is. >> [laughter] >> That's where it was originally approved

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for. So, he it did he did apply and receive a fence permit at that time. It just was installed uh a little bit too far over. >> As As As far as the side setback, it's 3 ft.

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But there's a an area your your neighbor has a fence up, but he hasn't he has not put it on the property line. Correct? So, there's more than the 3 ft. So, you have access to get a lawnmower down. >> Yeah. >> I think it last time that is something like

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9 or 10 ft between >> Cuz well, cuz he just said he was going to move his fence to the property line, so Yeah. He's talking about on So that yeah, so that's Sorry, I was looking at a different plan that shows So he does have fencing along

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the adjacent property to lot 37. So if you're looking at this picture to the left, talking about that. His is. You're It's not shown on there, but it's shown on the pool plan. >> They They drew a a fence of mine on that

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on the left side that is not there. >> Oh, so this doesn't exist. This is incorrect. That's what I was trying to say. Got [laughter] you. Well, we corrected one of us, so I'll note it. >> That's what the That's what the site visit showed. >> My understanding is that after the pool is complete, I have to do another

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survey, so at that point I'll just get it all corrected. >> Yeah, your pool needs to be completely enclosed, yes, that's a that's a state safety law. Yes. 4-ft aluminum open fence, got you. Okay, thank you. >> It's very It's not easy to look at all of it. >> Mr. Chair.

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>> Mr. Heimann. >> Sir, I know this is not may not be a popular question. Um would it be better for the applicant to put the shed in the front yard, meaning on that corner property, rather than putting it 3 ft off of the side yard or rear?

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Meaning putting it in I mean, he's a corner property, so from my site visit I didn't see that there would be any kind of line of sight issue at all. Would it be better he would have a more of a setback from his neighbors if he put it on the other side of the house.

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And it's a different type variance. >> That side does contain the septic system, which is why I tried to stay as clear of that as possible. And my understanding previous to us speaking today is also that I have absolutely no ability to build anything there. So, if you were to build there, I would still

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unfortunately require a variance to not put it as close to the septic system. >> Uh, thank you. >> I have a question. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Being that there's no other questions or comments, I'm going to go ahead and open it to the public.

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>> [laughter] >> Oh, I'm going to open it to the public. Anyone wishing to come forward to make comments about what they've heard this evening? Seeing no one else come forward, we're going to go ahead and close public session. Board of Appeals discussion. >> The only conditions that I heard

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discussed was putting uh the gutter on and to direct the drainage towards Ross Lane and the defense would be moved to the property line in the rear. >> Is there going to be any uh plumbing or electric? >> Just electric, he said. >> Okay, thank you. I missed that. >> For lights. So, it'd be like when he

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goes to store stuff. Sorry. I was probably coughing, that's why you didn't hear it. Sorry. >> I make motion to approve. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Hyman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Martins.

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>> Yes. >> Mr. Rozell. >> Yes. >> Mr. Trummer. >> Yes. >> Ms. Cusano. >> Yes. >> Dr. Hofstein. >> Yes. >> Ms. Bradley. >> Yes. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Have a good night. >> Good luck to you all with the shed, lady. >> [laughter] [cough]

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>> I apologize. >> Okay. We are going to move to what was listed as applicant number three, Mary Gazzaniga. If I butcher your last name, I am so sorry. >> okay. Thank you. Variance 3558 5 Dante Court.

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Please feel free to come to the microphone. If you're more comfortable, you guys can sit at the table. But Ms. Cipriani, we'll just You'll have to swear right. >> Is it okay if my husband speaks? He really knows the >> Uh absolutely. >> Yes, I'll swear you both in. So, if you could both raise your right hand,

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please. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you give before the sport will be the truth and nothing but the truth? And could you each say your name for the record? >> Mary Gazzaniga. >> Anthony Gazzaniga. >> Thank you. Okay, why don't you tell us, Mr. Gazzaniga, what you're trying to do with

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your property? >> So, my wife and I are looking to put a detached garage on the property. Uh approximately 45 by 45 wide by about 42 deep.

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Um and we're here tonight to ask for a variance uh to encroach the side um uh line. Uh we're able to stay the 10 ft off the house. Uh we have a 50-ft setback on the side

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and we're asking to encroach uh by about 20 ft. Leaving 30 ft. Um that side of the property is all wooded. Um we are on a corner on Dante Court. So,

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the way the house the way the builder had built the home, the house is all the way looking at it to the right side of the property. That's where the driveway is, our other garage is, and um the rest of the property is all fenced

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off going down the street. Um and that's really the only place the garage can go. >> All right, so I just want to >> so I can utilize the the uh same driveway and um and not be right behind my home. >> All right, so the original application

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said it was going to be less than 10 ft from the house. You said you're going to you're able to keep it at 10 ft from the house. >> Yes, we're able to keep it 10 ft from the house. >> And I know I saw oh, okay, on the drawing that the um the garage will look the same as the house the stone and stucco?

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>> Yes, it would be stick built. It's not a pole pole barn or anything like that. It's going to be uh the front of the garage will match the home in stone and stucco uh aesthetically pleasing to the street. >> [clears throat]

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>> The way my all the houses in on Dante have a walkout basement, I believe due to the water table. So, the driveway comes up. So, the only thing you really will see from the street of the home of the garage would be the uh the the attic. The the roof line where I'm going to

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have uh dormer windows. So, it would look nice to the street. Most of the garage would be hidden by the level of the of the uh driveway. >> [clears throat] >> There's no living space up there, just dormer windows? >> Pardon? >> There's no living space. You're just

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putting dormer windows for effect? >> Correct. It's just uh attic attic storage. Yes. >> Yep. >> Yeah, just uh storage. Yes. No living space. No. >> Nice looking building. >> Questions, comments? >> Yeah, so so it's beautiful building. Um you know, I first look at it, I don't

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even think it's a garage. It looks like a house to me. It's got a little little door there on the side to go in and stuff. So, um you know, I'll be totally frank. My my concern is that at some point you're going to use it

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and maybe even rent it out or something like that. Um. >> You know, so I'll take you I'll take you at your word. You say that that's not what it's going to be. You know, is it electricity is the only thing you're going to have in there? >> Yes.

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>> No no no plumbing anything like that? Okay. Ah, you should have brought those pictures. >> I I have four classic cars that are going to go on the car side. >> Okay. >> And that big garage we have a travel trailer. That instead of we use three four times

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a year. >> Right. >> We purchased it in November. It's been sitting on our driveway since November. And that's what's going to go in the big garage and stay. Instead of looking at it >> Right. >> from the street it'll be enclosed and cars would be on the other side. It's

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not being rented out at all. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Is there a second? >> Thank you, Madam Chair. I'll ask the the rest of Mr. Martin's tough questions. Thank you for your testimony. Thank you for making an improvement to your house here in town. We appreciate

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it. Um, unfortunately none of us is going to be here forever. So we need to make a good record about what you're proposing to do in here and almost more importantly for future what's not going to be in there. So this is meant to be complimentary or accessory to your house.

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Not meant to be a business, a school, a house of worship. >> No. I I am in the auto body business. >> You're not going to run your business out of here. >> No. >> Um, so there is no habitable second floor space. It's attic space. >> All attic space.

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>> And you're not providing sanitary sewer or running water to the building. >> Not at all. >> I think that probably gives us the comfort we're looking for. I apologize for being so straight forward but it's not you. It's just to make sure that when someone looks at this 20 years from now they say, "This is a garage."

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>> Absolutely. >> A really nice one, but it's just a garage. >> Yes. >> Thank you. That's all I have, Madam Chair. >> I'm in. >> Thank you. Uh Mr. Martins beat me to it. I was going to ask what the need for, you know, I see you have a beautiful house, three bays, you know, for a

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garage already, and you're proposing another four. I was like, "What are you storing in there?" So, the thing is that this new one would be full, and your regular daily vehicles would be stored in your existing garage. >> The three garages that are at the house

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is actually It is a three-car garage. There are three, but the last garage is unusable because the stairs come down into the garage to get to the first moving, you know, in So, that the third garage is You can't put a car in there.

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Uh I My everyday vehicle is a a pickup truck. It does not fit in the garage, height or width. My wife's car barely does fit in the garage, but she will utilize the two that are left up there for her car, and pretty much everything

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all my other cars and my pickup truck will be in the new garage. >> Got it. Uh and I was just, you know, curiosity, you mentioned the topography before saying how, you know, you got that pitch over there. I was wondering I got I went by today. I was like, "Wait a second. That

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RV is like, you know, looks like it's about to go down that How are you going to access this new garage? >> That Well, if you if you were at the home, you saw the the gates to the to the right.

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The the the trailer can will not be able to go My neighbor put a garage behind his house, and he drives up and down with his pickup truck and his cars. The trailer will go on actually on the bottom on the grass at at level and go right through through, you know, right into the

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garage. Straight on in. >> And you're not proposing any kind driveway to So, you're not proposing any kind of driveway to get to that garage. >> I'm trying to utilize the driveway I have. If I need to, it may come off the other side of the driveway with stone,

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possibly, but everything is concealed to that side. Trying not to put another driveway in. >> No, I'm just trying to see if there's any kind of setbacks or, you know, additional impervious coverage um that I'll be involved with this use. >> Uh

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is is there a setback for a driveway if it was needed? Is that a structure? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that. >> Yeah, a driveway is not a structure, but it does have its own requirements. >> Mr. Miller. >> Yeah. >> It is not my intention to put another

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driveway for obviously the expense and and you know, hopefully I don't need it. But, should it arise, um I I guess I would have to cross that >> So, so how often are you going to be going in and out of this garage with your classic video cars and

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your RVs? I just want to try to understand if there's a need for a driveway. >> Understood. The the the the RV goes out three, four times a year. Um so, very it's not going to go in and out often. And the cars are the same thing. They they're they used here and

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there. That's Uh my pickup truck will go out on a daily basis. But, that'll drive right up and over like my neighbor had them. >> I just said because, you know, if you don't have any kind of uh impervious coverage going there, I don't know if you I don't know if your RV's going to get in and out. It might get stuck in that wetland, you know, in the wet

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>> No, I'm pretty I'm pretty dry where I am, thank god. You know, there is a lot of wet uh properties in there, but no. >> Uh sort of to to piggyback on that, your you want to just drive over the grass to get into the garage? >> I do it now every time I have to go in

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the back of the house. >> That would not be my recommendation. I think you're going to have maintenance issues. Um Even if it's just gravel, I would propose some sort of permanent surface, especially if the grade is sloping down towards the garage. You're going to have to do some sort of grading

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improvements to ensure that you're not draining water directly into the garage. Um I would recommend some sort of surface leading to the garage, especially if your pickup truck's going in and out of there every day. >> Mhm. >> It's just the area is going to become a mess and you're going to continually clean it up. I I I do think you should

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extend the the driveway in some fashion to that area. Um and based on the size of the of what you're proposing as well as some sort of improvements to uh from an impervious cover standpoint, um I recommend putting gutters on the structure, which I'm sure you're already doing. >> Yes. >> And then proposing [clears throat] a dry

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well to capture the roof runoff and recharge it into the ground. As any condition of approval, you'll need to submit to the Township Engineer a plot plan showing all of those improvements. >> Okay. >> Um And you said only electric is going to run to to the structure. Um the attic

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space, how is that going to be accessed? Drop-down ladder? >> No, it'll be There's going to be a a staircase going up on the side. Inside, not outside. >> Yeah. Um >> I don't know if they can have a drop a a drop-down. It's going to be the ceiling

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First floor is going to be almost 14 ft plus a the track. So, I don't know if drop-downs can >> Can I jump in on this? >> with a commentary? >> Uh um so, in in standard submission for uh if this were to come before my desk without requiring a variance, I always

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require some type of interior layout architectural plans so I can see um the interior. I had notated on that that on your original denial that nothing was submitted. Do you have anything? >> Well, I have met with the architect, but I was waiting on >> Right. So, okay, so it is in the works.

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So, at at permit stage, we'll be able to review something along those lines. >> as is on the absolutely >> Okay. >> architectural So, we'll be able to see it that way. So, we have like loft storage space and pretty much just open bays on the bottom. Essentially.

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Okay. >> I I just want to clarify something. So, as you go up the hill, you have you have a paved driveway. >> Mhm. >> It's and it does it it stops at the top, right? >> It does. >> And you're not going to continue it down to this garage?

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>> Originally, that is what I was planning on going up and over. That's what my neighbor had done with his driveway. His stops at top and then the rest of it he did in stone. He continued it down towards the back of towards the back of his property. >> So, you're going to do that?

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>> That's what I wanted to do for my pickup truck. >> Question came is for the for the mobile home going around. >> through the grass. It would never make that. That that that that is >> But it's not all the cars are going through grass. You're going to be able

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>> the just the the trailer. Just the travel trailer will go through the grass. >> I don't know if that changes any. >> No, I mean it's not a bad idea to do like maybe like a stone shoulder. I again, just the the >> I'm okay with that if that's it's allowed. >> Yeah, I don't

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I don't The The problem is the drawing that we have isn't entirely to scale, so I don't know what the where the driveway would fall, but I think at the time of plot plan maybe show some sort of graded stone area so to make it easier for the travel trailer to get into that garage bay.

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>> Absolutely. >> If it matters, where he's talking about going on the grass, that's almost street level. So, our driveway comes up. So, where he wants to go in, we're kind of driving straight. If there is >> You'll have to have some sort of permanent surface. >> Yes, I understand.

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>> Stability. >> Right. >> If you spread it out, you're going to end up >> Yes. >> draining onto someone else's property will become a maintenance issue >> with the holding portion. You're going to have big vehicles like that, especially classic cars, you can probably just spend a few dollars and put some

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gravel surface on. >> That's fine. >> Yeah, [clears throat] can I just ask our expert um as far as drainage, right? I would think gravel is much better than blacktop or anything like that, right? Is is it is it much less

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Let's say I have grass versus gravel. How much less water is going into the ground if I have gravel? Would you happen to know that? >> Gravel is closer to asphalt than gravel is to grass. Um to put like a percent on it, you're

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probably getting 30% more runoff from gravel than you are from grass. And asphalt is probably giving you 10 to 12% more runoff than gravel would. Um so >> Okay. >> And the way this site drains, there's sort

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of a common swale in the in the side property line between this property and the neighbor property that directs the runoff to Dante Court. Um but to that to that end, that swale is really meant to convey the water, but also infiltrate it into the ground. And if the vehicles driving over the area create silt and

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sediment runoff, it's going to inhibit the ability for that swale to perk the water. So, I definitely think we need some sort of permanent surface. I don't have an issue I prefer gravel myself when compared to pavement just to have a little bit less runoff. And I think for an area where your

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it's not being used every day all the time, I think gravel makes sense here. >> Okay. >> Would that be okay for an RV? >> What's that? >> Would that be able to handle the a large RV? >> It would be. I mean >> The weight. >> We've seen gravel pad get prepared for

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fire access lanes. Um it needs to be properly compacted. Um but it's in some respects the RV driving over the gravel will tend to do that. Um, so I don't I think for how they're intending to use it, I think the gravel will be able to support the the travel trailer.

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>> If you do an impervious surface anyhow, it's going to pitch down towards the garage, so you're going to wind up putting a drain right in front of the garage so it doesn't go into your garage. You're already saying a dry well, so that catches the same amount of water that the gravel would have anyhow. You're just going to put it right in the

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dry well, so it's all good. I would think. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. And and it sounds like for the for the cars no expense is too big, so you'd be willing >> [laughter] >> uh, to do that, right? As long as again the code. >> Oh, absolutely no expense.

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>> Right? All right, thanks. Are you going to put any heat in there for those the cars? >> I was, yes. It's going to be climate controlled. >> [laughter and cough] >> So what are you running out there, gas line? Or would it be electric heat? >> Uh,

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it's a good good question. I haven't thought that that far ahead. >> Yeah, cuz my only concern is with the actual physical stairs that lead up to the loft area. If it goes from electric to electric and gas, we're not far from >> Yep. >> it being used in a more permanent basis.

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>> Yep. Yep. Yep. >> I'm going to on the table. There you go. >> I think that would work. [laughter] >> Just just So on my garage I put a splitter, which is electric, right? It cools and heats. Works great. It works

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great. It though I didn't need gas. >> The reason I'm asking is I'm a car guy, too. I'm in the middle of building one, so you got to have heat. So that's why I I I just wanted to see what your response was going to be. >> Yes. >> Thank you.

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>> Any questions for the applicant? >> Applicant? >> Is too much? Thank you. So, [laughter] are we committing to the the sizing, the 40 by 40 by 25? >> 45 wide by 42 ft.

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>> That looks like it's 20 by 40. >> That's just that's just a generic >> It's two cars deep. >> That that picture is actually, believe it or not, about 60 wide. That's just a generic >> It's just a big concept plan.

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>> But it's going to have the three doors in front and the one big one, the dormers, but it will be uh no larger than 45 wide by I believe 42 deep is going to do it. Again, it's your architect will draw it up. I'm looking to put two cars

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>> And the height you're looking at? >> The The height of the garage is going to be 14 ft. >> No, what's the height of the building? >> I was told it cannot exceed 25 ft. >> Right. That's why I just I just want to get something on the record for the actual

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>> I'm sorry, can I just clarify cuz the application it said 40 by 40 by 25. You're now saying 45 by 42 by 25. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Any other questions or comments for the applicant? >> Just give me 1 second. I just want to do that. Brief math. I should probably ask

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Matt to do it. >> So So with those new measurements, are we still >> That's what they're doing now. >> Okay. Yeah, cuz it says 35. >> So, is your intent to offset the garage sort of behind the house or right next to the house?

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>> It's going to be pretty much right at the house. >> Okay. So, >> is going to be the front of of the garage. To answer your question when I first put my paperwork in, I was really asking for to encroach 15 ft. And I had met with Dawn, I already had

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my papers out. After talking with the architect, he felt we needed another 5 ft. That's why I went from 40 to 45. And that's where I got to the approaching 20 ft instead of 15. >> Right. So, what Matt's trying to clarify is the position of where you want it

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placed. So, you're saying it's >> [clears throat] >> essentially going to be connected to this It's going to be 10 ft off, but by your condensing units and that concrete pad. It's going to be right here? Right. Cuz we know the the original submission wasn't to scale. That was

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really just a concept. Right. But, that's what I'm talking about. So, it's So, right. So, you had you had changed it originally cuz originally we denied it cuz it wasn't 10 ft off the house. So, then you amended it to being 10 ft off the house. And then it gave no dimensions on this

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drawing and then it said 35 with an arrow. So, now that we're changing from 40 by 40 to 45 by 42, what I had asked Matt Mr. Wilder to do is just verify that the existing space at 89.9 will fit and

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that we can actually get the dimension the exact um Excuse me, the exact setbacks of what we're what we're asking for variance-wise. >> So, if we position it 10 ft from the house, the garage is 45 ft, that would

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leave about 30 34 ft from the western end of the garage to the property line. >> That's not taking into account for I know you said you want to run electric, so um if you're doing your your cooling heating system

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depending on on what you so choose, that what that's also subject to those setbacks. So you can either put it on the rear if you want to. I'm not sure conceptually where you want to put it, but I just wanted to mention that for transparency. Um also in your permit history is showing a

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shed, which is not disclosed on any of the these drawings. Um saying 40 ft from the right sideline to 70 behind the fence. This was previously issued. So not only do we I want to also make you aware for

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awareness and for the board to know as well, there's the chain link fence will also have to be moved. And um I know you there was a picture that you had put in, but Right, but I'm saying on your surveys that you submitted it wasn't disclosed

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on there. Right, so just for awareness for the board there is a a a shed on the property that will be behind this. Um structure as well. >> The shed is far enough back. >> There is a permit for the shed, yeah. >> All right, and that will be able to stay

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in the same place. That won't have to be moved back. >> Right, that's not being adjusted at all? >> No, that's going to stay there. >> It's a 10 by 20 shed? >> And what about the chain link fence? Do you see >> We're just going to have to address that because where he's putting it conflicts with

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where he's suggesting this is going is conflict is pretty much going to conflict with that. So that will have to be addressed on his own permit, too, because we're going to be we're going to be changing the fencing. So if you're going to >> coming out where the front of the building would be, but the rest of the fence would be to the corner. Well, it's going to come out and go back on, but

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yes. >> We'll just make sure that we add it on. We can all be on the same thing, just I wanted to put it on for awareness and then we can amend that at that time. And it's going to be chain link also? >> Yes. >> Still going to keep in consistency with what's there? Okay. >> 34 Madam Chair, >> Yes.

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>> I you noted in the plan that you're going to have to relocate your existing well? >> That's already been moved. >> Okay. Um and you pulled whatever DEP permits you need to drop the new well? >> The the well had gone dry when we first bought the house.

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>> Okay. >> Um the war it was on the warranty. The builder >> The builder uh the >> That's fine. >> Grand, we bought it from them. >> Okay. So so the well that's marked to be moved or or it's already been relocated. >> move it already behind the pier.

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>> Um where is your septic system? >> In the front of the home. >> This will not impact the septic system. Perfect, then. >> [clears throat] >> Are there questions or comments? Given that we have no other questions or comments, I'm going to open it to the public. Anyone wishing to come forward

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>> [laughter] >> at this time, please do so. Seeing no one in the public, I'm going to go ahead and close public session. Board adopts as for discussion. Would you like to lay out the >> The conditions that I heard would be there would be a no residential, commercial, or institutional use. There

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would be electric, no plumbing, no running water. Uh gutters will be installed uh as well as a dry well, and there will be access to the garage uh with some permanent surface, gravel, or otherwise, which will be shown on the plot plan.

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And at that time the um location of the chain link fence will be addressed. That's all I have. >> Thank you. >> Mr. Brandi has laid out the conditions. Any questions, comments? >> So,

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Mr. Chair, I just comment that normally I would be a little bit concerned with such a large shed, such a large structure, such a gorgeous development, you know, large houses with so many bays, like, you know, who would need it, but applicant has eloquently

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explained the need for it, specifically for himself, and I would just note for the record as well, 3 Dante 16 and 7 I noticed also have very similar size structures, so it's not that it would be out of the character of the neighborhood,

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although they're such nice houses and I would think that you wouldn't want such a large thing here, but the applicant is really matching it up to the house and I think that they're doing great job with the design and it would be appropriate in this case. >> Yeah, let me Actually, I just thought of

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a question and I don't know if it's for the professionals. So, um 10 years from now he sells the home. And the new and the new owner uh wants to take advantage of those of how beautiful it is and maybe rent

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some of it out. >> That's an enforcement issue. That's not a zoning issue. That's an enforcement issue. >> Okay. >> Code enforcement would have to >> Keep an eye on that, right? >> not used as a living space or commercial, residential, or institutional. I mean, not residential, commercial, institutional. >> Right. Okay, thanks.

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>> [cough] >> Excuse me, I'm sorry. >> I would make a motion to approve including all the conditions listed by our attorney. >> Second. >> All right, we have a motion and a second. Roll call, please, Kathleen. >> Mr. Hyman. >> Yes.

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>> Mr. Martins. >> Yes. >> Mr. Asal. >> Yes. >> Mr. Tremor. >> Yes. >> Ms. Cusana. >> Yes. >> Dr. Hofstein. >> Yes. >> Ms. Bradley. >> Yes. >> It's been approved, sir. Mr. and Mrs. Gazzaniga. Thank you. Good luck with your cars. >> Thank you.

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>> I make a motion to close. >> Second. >> Motion to close. All in favor? >> Aye. No one's >> No one's approved. >> [laughter] >> Listen. >> It's 8:18.