call a meeting call meeting to to motion for Board of adjustment on March 18th can I have a roll call please John Morland yes Owen Curley Jeff
trar yes Jennifer Williams yes Matt Mets yes lney Douglas D yes can I have an approval for the minutes on February 4th I make a motion to approve the minutes on February 4th as outlined in
the documents for this meeting second any discussion if none all in favor say I I I minut passed if we can read the into the first case so I call boa2 24-10 z73
legal address 202 33rd Avenue South request gosh I sound section I too close 34- 336 E1 C2 for an easterly Corner side yard setback of 5 feet in L of 10 feet minimum for
the primary structure of an easterly Corner side yard of and an easterly Corner side yard of zero feet and L of 10 ft minimum for the patio only for construction of a new single family home if the applicant Agents come forward be
sworn in please swearing with cler sir please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm that the testimon you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth to help you God please state your name and address
is that M call sry thank you is this better um I'm the Builder the whole history of this application if you don't mind from the first application to where we are now do you want me to recap it just recap for so we're all kind of up
the speed I we've all read the notes but it helps us to go through the whole conversation uh so original application was for a 5 foot setback on the Westerly side and we came to a compromise um with the input of the neighbors and some
other people that um to SW to move the East to to keep the 10 foot setb back on the West Side move the setb back to the east to five feet and uh we approved that and then or that
that was approved at the last meeting that came back uh there was a scrier eror where it was actually reversed on the approved variance that we received which immediately raised the question because that's kind of what we'd ask where originally was a five foot
variance on the or a five foot setback on the Westerly side and a 10- foot setback on the easterly side which was not approved and we obviously made the change moving the whole moving the whole Pro uh the house 5T to the east keeping
the 10- foot setback on the west so in order to get clarity on that came back to the um the through the application process that was that was fixed but then we just wanted some clarity on the easterly side because the public work
Public Works um approved a revocable I think it's re encroachment permit or revocable type of a permit for offense and pavers extending like about four and a half ft into the easement area just kind of help us with the to solve the
problem that we were originally trying to solve uh so this variance now is just I believe more of a clarification on the fact that we can do the fence and the pavers up to the lot line and then the
Public Works has already approved the fence and the papers within the on the easement so I don't think there's really a whole lot here more than just kind of clarification on uh what we requested and what we ended up up settling on as
an approval from the last time around so is that yeah so it looks like in the last meeting December 17th we approved the easterly side yard setback of five and L five feet and L of 10 feet yes and so when I was reading for today it sounded like you were still asking for the same thing for the main structure of
the house so it seemed like we had already done that and then it looked like you're asking today just for the additional zero feet in Li of 10 feet for the patio which is I presume to be just a slab at grade yes and not like a
real structure is that correct that is correct okay yeah so we've already approved the first we are actually really only looking at the patio slab at this stage right which I I'm not even sure requires a variance
because it's at grade but I think just in the effort to make sure that we're clear on everything and that there's no assumptions on our part we just want to make sure that we're kind of following the the code you have to wait while he's
speaking and then you'll have an opportunity to speak um so this this slab that we're talking about is it permeable or is it it would be permeable papers and those are those are already factored into the site calculations with
the approve with the uh impervious coverage that was approved at the last meeting because your application Tes not discuss any more comments on uh peral surface so the application conversation eastly corn lot is zero for
the Patty papers which does require it doesn't mention permeable in it I'm just trying my clarity is on this picture we're looking at so that is where the are they representing the papers I'm just trying to understand the property line theen
zo it's the same exact site plan that we submitted the last time nothing has changed um ex I don't know were the site talks and everything updated based on what was approved on this one do you know either way the the site plan that
we submit for permitting will reflect exactly what was approved from a setback and a coverage perspective and then this just shows the fence and the papers is kind of extending into the the area that the Public
Works um approve the permit for so what is on the easterly side what is if it's going zero what's on the easterly side of that property well the setback is still at 10 feet for the house that's not changed that's or that's that's actually at 5T so that's
not changed I think the I think with the word here is just clarifying the fact that we want to run papers out in that area yeah I understand is that clear outside of that
so it sounds like you're saying there's an easement between the property and and there's not I guess I'm using the wrong word easement it's the it's the property line so the easement I guess would not really be an easement it's a city it would be the city property a city property yeah I'm using
an incorrect term apologize so the we uh the setback is approved at five feet and then just since the whole house moved to the East and it's making that outdoor patio so narrow the it was recommend you know we talked about it here at our last
meeting he said why don't you ask Public Works we can do a fence out into the uh you know pass the property line into that city property by five feet so we apply for that permit which they approved it it's actually like 4.5 ft something like that so they approved
that but then the and obviously the permit the pavers too they approved the pavers and the fence in that area which if something were ever to you know construction needed to be done there it would be the owner's responsibility to remove it and replace it but and they're
aware of that as far as I can tell Bas this application is really only referencing the P the permeable pavers in the on the actual lot going up to the zero lot going right up to the to the edge of the property
line and so that's on that is actually the 33rd Avenue South yes right that the front in front of that is 33rd Avenue South the front is that the the the um East West is 33rd right
okay second so the easterly the easterly street is second yeah so the yeah the easterly street is second toct the East West Street is 33rd and then North South Street would be second like that's really hard for me to
tell yeah I can't really see here's the house yeah W so we're talking on the side that's 212 no no on Second Street 212 nothing changes that that's the Westerly side
there that's the Westerly side that uh the 10- foot setback is what was approved we were asking for we asking for five and you recommended we move it to the east to satisfy the neighbors um concerns so uh that was that's what we ended up
doing and then just a little bit of confusion because the the actual written approved variants came back not reflecting what we had decided or what was approved here in the meeting so we wanted to just make
sure everybody's on the same page what is I'm trying to get at the only reason why we um put the easterly last time you guys amended and improved it you guys changed the two setbacks you guys changed the East and the west and you guys W permitted to do that so that's the only reason why he has to
come back in asked again for the Easter and then we had to add the uh the patio the patio because um of the um papers why weren't we permitted to do that um because um you're not you guys aren't allowed to change his original aggress cuz you guys literally changed what he
wanted to do instead of like amending or approving it because it wasn't notice notice to the public because we asked during the meeting and he said yeah that works for us and we asked you like the city and you said Can amend it and then you had the problem with the H works right so that's why we had to revert it back to
the easterly instead of how they changed it to the Westerly or then well what that's what we discussed and what what you guys recommended as an alternative solution to going to a 5ft
setback on the west side which is very close to the house recommended just taking the whole thing and moving it 5T to the east which we like fine we can make that work but now the patio there on Second Street became like 5 feet wide
so we went at that point to the s to the public works and said will you approve a permit for us to go into the you know past the property line by 5 ft with a fence and pavers and they said yes no problem approved permit so I I think this is probably
more just clarifying uh for everybody what was agreed to the last time and unless somebody has a like a applicant are you the applicant I'm the the applicant here okay because we
could swear her in and she can speak to because it looks like she wants to that's you read paragraph one line so the board switched two setbacks which result in a proposed new dwelling being on existing easement on which they cannot construct on that did you want to square her
in can you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth to help you God I do please state your name and address Maria Doran 202 33rd Avenue South Jacksonville Jack
Beach I had raised my hand just because you had asked the question and I wanted to answer the question at the previous meeting December 18 or 17th um like Ted said we were told to just move
everything 5 feet to the East and we all thought that was okay a good solution but as it turned out it was 5 feet outside of our property so we followed up with public works like Ted said and that's when they approved the four and a
half feet as far as we know everything that we had asked for was approved except the five feet to the West so the reason why we're here is just to confirm what had already been approved in December which was just move your house
5 feet to the East and the papers and the fence and everything else we already showed it in the December 17th site plan and nothing has changed we just moved 5T into the eastment and the reason we did that cuz you told us just move at 5 ft
when we left here 5 minutes within leaving I'm an engineer I realized goodness you just told me to build in the Eastman now I need to go figure out how to do that so ideally I would still get my five feet on the west as I had
asked originally but if this is what we have to do go to the east you already approved what we think you approved back in December so we're just here to
confirm okay now I see where she's coming from so originally we he asked for to set back on the on the west side which you guys switched to the east side and then when she realized she would be um building into the easement right so however she went our sight plan you
would see that we had 5T on the west and we had 10 feet on the East because we wanted to build in our property like any homeowner would want sure so because you said and it was just a very fast uh
solution that I mean our architect our Builder a 35y year engineer did not catch and I don't think anybody on the board really realized when you said move everything five feet to the east that you were asking us to move outside of our property line yeah I remember because I remember thinking that we
should keep on the west side and somebody was like no we have to do it on the East what was the reason why we had to move it to the east the neighbors well the neighbors didn't want the house to be 5T from their house because they kept saying that we have so technically the reason why she
is here is because last time she didn't ask for that and we approved it so now she's asking for it so she can um so she's able to build with we official official I read through yeah it makes sense what I my question yeah I'm done
the only thing in the easement is the pavers and a fence and that's where you're saying Public Works would have the right to come in and basically bust up your papers and fence if they needed to run a water line or a cable line or whatever that would be on you unfortunately but the the home itself
would still be within your property proper absolutely yeah it's it's not ideal as a homeowner I want to build in my property and I know that um you know if they want to put a new line in there hopefully it'll be directional drill and
they won't mess up with my papers but yeah I understand any other questions from any board M at this point I have none okay you could have a seat we have a couple thank you the speaker card I think that's and I presume you
are Maria so you spoke okay okay one okay Steve Williams please raise your right hand do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth to help you God I do
please state your name and address uh Steve Williams 3731 duall Drive Jacksonville Beach Florida I'm I'm here on behalf of the Neighbors on the west side of the subject property for this conversation uh which is T and Diane
Hunter they couldn't be here and they asked me to speak again they are in support of what was amended on December the 17th moving the house 5 feet to the east per what is requested in this request tonight they're fine with that
because that will keep the 10 foot on the westand side okay so we're okay with that the thing that they were concerned about and the reason they asked me to to come here this evening is what was submitted as the attachment is still the original site plan I would think that
they when they resubmitted this they would have redrawn this to match what was amended on the 17th and per what is the request tonight per What U Public Works is asking and and everyone else is
affirming tonight so far so that's I'm just here to confirm that and to tell them we're in support of their request as written but we want to make sure the 10 foot difference between the Westerly of of the home they proposed to build is kept
10 feet from their property line um and as buil survey will be required after um the variance is granted and everything's completed so we will confirm everything is um done correctly and I I felt that was the case but I just wanted to make sure and speak tonight uh on the record
to that effect sounds good say that in different words and then have you confirm that what I'm saying is the same thing you're saying which is what is in writing in the variance or request is what they are held accountable to not the attachments there to uh yes correct because at the end as
under the construction they have to provide an as Bill to reflect the variance okay if we could just read this record okay well he's still are are you finished I'm done okay thank you so and there's no other speakers
today anybody wanna did you want to speak or anything okay so we have one email from Diane Hunter me see where this is in reference to case boa 24-100 z73 for variance for
building at 202 33rd Avenue South for Maria and James Duran we sent in our concerns with the last variance application for this property and it appears this is a similar request to be 5 feet closer than is allowed in this space between our houses the houses are
already closed and as stated before our concerns are with noise and privacy any closer than how it is now and we would be able to look right into each other's houses we are still trying to be fair neighbors but the extra few feet really does make a big difference thank you
Diane and Anthony Hunter would you like to respond to that just well I think she misunderstood what we were asking because we're not five feet closer to her yeah okay thank you anybody else
from bring me to close the public bring to the board I make a motion to approve Boe 24-10 z73 it meets all the criteria as
outlined in section 34-20 or 286 second first and second discussion seems reasonable yeah I know we recognize a hardship of the property size L size just a confirmation really confirmation think we've hit all the points that was requested for us to have
this meeting so bring to a vote I don't think she heard you oh can I bring it to a vote sorry John Morland yes Jennifer Williams yes Matt Mets yes Douglas Dell yes Jeff TR yes motion has
been passed okay then on okay building department review the bylaws any new business no other um no new business but um did you guys want to review the bylaws or did you guys you guys are able to go over them and read
them um proba should bring over one the chairs here no any of you guys do you guys want to review them or do you guys review them already because this is only a draft Christi want me to tell you guys this is only draft the um it's not all the way done yet but we are having training in April to um cuz we will have
new um ways to uh uh get new criteria from um motions and stuff like that so we will be doing training in April so we have more learning to do huh I saw is that a is that the red was the comments I saw the change in see it in voting yeah and that's
going to be in the um I can't even say the word right addendum yeah okay addendum all that stuff's in theendum theendum hasn't been posted yet okay the new um ways for the um motions the criteria for um different codes and stuff like that and all that will be during um our training
in April um we'll probably discuss it tomorrow me Heather and Christian to see um when we'll schedule each board but April will be the date for that um as of right now I do have like three or four boa applications however I have to review them to make sure they're able to
um be seen by you guys since we did adopt the code last night so right now I'd say May 20th latest maybe June 3rd for our next official Bo meeting but in April we will have like a a training session okay I'm sorry when's
our next meeting May May earliest May 20th new development so we can't meet on anything earliest May 20th and then the latest June 3r but um for the next few weeks all of April and probably some of May we're going to try to Train everybody or the staff and then um the
board just to make sure everybody's on the right page and just question is that an option of virtual participation meetings coming up is that something new I read through the bylaws what's that virtual participation of meetings yeah that's that's new thing in there
okay it would be hard to hear I mean sometimes I've logged in before and it's really hard to hear so no this is a new system I guess I haven't logged in since we have the new system and yeah this be upload as soon as leave
no this no this is really good now with that nothing else motion to adjourn I move second we're done