You guys ready? Good evening. You're attending a session of the Jacksonville Beach Board of Adjustments. The Board of Adjustment meetings are quasi judicial in nature. All decisions of the board will be based on competent substantial evidence,
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from the audience. Applause or cheering will not be allowed. Please silence your phones. Uh can we have a um roll call, please? John Morland here. Owen Curley here. Jeff Trul here. Jennifer Williams,
Matt Mets here, Laura Tierney, Douglas Dell here. Okay. If everyone's had a chance to review the minutes from May uh 20th, 2025, can u can we have a motion, please? I make a motion to approve the minutes
from our meeting on May 20th. I wouldn't second. Okay. Okay. It's been moved and seconded. All in favor? I opposed. Okay. The meeting uh minutes have been adopted. Uh do we have any correspondence?
No, no correspondence. We have no old business. So uh let's go ahead and call our one new business case. Board calls case number BOA25-100034. Property address 133 North 7th Avenue. Motion to consider sections 34-614
Echo3 Charlie 2 for a corner yard setback of 13 Excuse me. 11.3 ft in L of 12.6 feet minimum. 34-614 Echo1 Charlie 1 for a front yard setback of zero feet in L of 20 ft minimum. 34-614
Echo3 Charlie 2 for a sideyard setback of 6.8 ft in L of 10 feet minimum. 34-614 Echo3 Charlie 3 for a year rear yard setback of 14T in L of 20 feet minimum. 34-76.140
parking spaces at a twounit multif family dwelling in L of two spaces per dwelling unit requirement or four spaces total required to rectify non-conformities for renovation for staircase addition. New seconds story deck on the west side of the structure
and expansion of an existing second story deck on the front located on two non-conforming lots of record. Okay. Does any board member have any exportations? I've had none. I've had none. I've had none. None. And I've had
Would the applicant please come forward to be sworn in and give? Will you please raise your right hand? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So, help you God. I do. Please state your name and
address. Anthony Martinez 2009 San Piper Point, Neptune Beach. Um, so as you can see there, the the things that we're requesting are the variances for the setbacks in all directions, the parking, and um the decks, which I'll kind of expand on
those things. This is an older building that we purchased, and the building structure is how it's been for as far back as I was able to look up. Um, we are requesting to keep the setbacks the same in all directions.
Um, the parking, there was no parking on the property. Um, so we're requesting to have parking on uh the easement to the south of the property, which I have print outs. It looks like you guys have an overhead view as well. And you'll be able to see that's consistent with the
neighbors as well. Um, to the east. Um, this is actually very similar if I'm able to reference a property from the last meeting. It was uh uh 130 North 8th A. Uh same thing. It was an older building. The setbacks uh were different
because of how old the building was and there was no parking on the property. Um so we're looking to be granted this the same thing to be able to keep the building as is, no changes to the setbacks, and to be able to uh park on the easement expanding from the parking
spaces you're will see that our neighbors have to the west in front of our building. Um, in terms of the deck, I don't think you guys have an arrow view. I actually brought something if you guys want to see what it looked like in the past. Um, am I able to Sure. You could give it to
the clerk, but then it becomes a a record. This is Google images. Just you guys want to see what I'm talking about in terms of the deck because it's covered up by a tree there that was actually growing up through the deck. So to the west there was a staircase that
went to uh Second Street um and actually ended at the sidewalk in Second Street. So there was a deck, the sidewalk jutted out towards Second Street. We would like to expand the deck on the south side that was already there. Expand it east
and west still within the same um setback. So, we wouldn't need additional setbacks, but that would allow us to move that staircase to the south and allow us to put it inside of that deck, which would keep it from jutting out outside of kind of the envelope of the
of the property boundaries. Um, so in reference to that other property, that's the only difference, but other than that, it's just an older building that we're wanting to keep as is, just renovate the inside of the building and uh the outside to keep the the footprint the same. Um, and like I said, the
parking as well. We would just like to have kind of the same uh I guess benefits that our neighbors have in terms of being able to park in front of the building on the easement because there's nowhere else to park. Okay. Uh, any questions for the applicant?
Between the images, I'm trying to understand uh where the survey shows the entirety within the lot and the Google image with the black square around it sort of shows that that southbound covered concrete balcony is out of the
the box. I don't know if that's just Google has the Yeah, we have a we have a survey there. Um I think we actually had two surveys done and that deck which like I said was present. We're not wanting to go any further south, just expand east and west. Um it was within
uh the setback to the south within the survey that was was created and the current set. Yeah. And we have we have recent surveys in the last few months. Just confirming uh when we talk front rear sides the front is the west side of
the no sorry the the south is where this deck is. So that's that's correct in terms of north, west, east, and south. So the south those green highlighted areas is just showing the expansion of that front deck east and west. That would allow us to move the staircase
that's now on the west just outside of the yellow highlighted area. If you can see the staircase that juts out to the sidewalk, it would allow us to fit it inside of that south deck. And that's the only way to get up to the second story unit. So there needs to be a a
staircase, but I think I mentioned that there was a tree that had grown up through that deck. So, the deck was pretty much destroyed. So, instead of reconstructing it with that staircase going out to the the west out to the sidewalk, which is kind of unsightly,
I think it would make more sense to put it on that south inside that south deck. Like I said, there's already a deck there. Just expand it, include the staircase in that south deck. And as you can see from the overhead images, it's pretty uniform to the other properties. So, the other properties have the same
parking that I'm kind of requesting. You can see some of it kind of goes in front of this property to to the south of this property. There's like one spot there, but just to be able to put I guess three more to the west of that um to be the same as my neighbors and also the deck
widen that which would also be the same as as my neighbors there as well. Is the residence currently multif family right now? It's It's a twounit multi-an and I know well you're not putting the spots on your lot. How many spots will you be
creating in the rightway? I'm sorry. How many spots will be created in the right away? Uh so there would be four is I think what we're required to have and what we're requesting. But in the rightway not on your property, right? Saying what the capacity parking is. Yeah. Then there's
you had no option of putting parking. I just looked at one picture with the car in the back. There's no option addition. Yeah, that car. It's not You're talking about the one in the pitch northwest corner. Yeah, it's kind of just parked in the grass the corner there. It's not. Yeah, it's actually kind of almost encroaching on the sidewalk there.
That's why I thought it was nothing. Okay. Yeah. And these these, you know, this is an overhead image which I included in in that packet of images. And you can also see the street views from back to 2007 and current. So you can kind of see, you know, how it looks um in terms of uh where the setbacks
are. Based on the images provided, it looks like on the north side of the property, there's a concrete driveway and a garage. Is that So that garage was enclosed. There was a door to the right of that driveway that you could enter in
from the yellow highlighted area and it only went in, I think, like 10 ft. Um, so we'd like to enclose that that garage fully and not leave kind of that storage area for the garage. Um, but also I
think we would still remain with the same issue of the driveway is not big enough to fit a car. So even that garage would only be able to fit one car and that's assuming most people have so much stuff in their garage that they can't fit a car in there anyways. They end up parking somewhere else. But that would be one spot. So the garage was modified
or the garage was always that small? the garage. It was kind of like a a workshop. It was like cut in half, so it was a workshop. So, you couldn't really fit a full car in there. If you destroyed the workshop, you know, I guess you can go in further, but
it wasn't deep enough to fit a car. It looked as though there's been fair amount of construction. Yeah. So, we started in construction. Um, we were allowed to do the demolition, allowed to do some of the framing because there was drywood termites and some water rot. One
of the walls was actually completely floating. Um, so we were allowed to do things just to shore up the walls, but the inside currently sits as just gutted. Um, and the exterior we've been allowed to do because we had water intrusion. We were allowed to do the
roof, allowed to uh tie back the outside of the property. Um, but with waiting on some of these, we're informed from uh members of of the city to wait to do any more construction until we had approval on these things. I have a question about the garage. I'm
still a little confused though. I think I know where it is now. Um, it's on the west northwest side of Yeah, I see it. I'm sorry. I was Yeah, I was looking at it. Um, this you're saying is a single I'm sorry. This is a single car garage.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's not a twocar garage. I don't think there's any way you can fit two cars in there from the width. But I mean, that's a twocar garage door, right? Yeah. And then you can't fit two cars in there because of the workshop and the other stuff. Well, the workshop affects the depth of it.
Uhhuh. The width of it. I mean, I I have a truck. You couldn't fit, you know, I have a not even double cab truck and you couldn't fit two of those widthwise in there and be able to get out. Um, but in terms of the width of it, I'm sure I'm sure it does say the
measurement up there. Um, if we would be able to zoom in, but I'm not sure what the width is off the top of my head. Is this enclosed now or you're proposing to enclose? So, we got rid of the garage door and we just put plywood up. Okay. Yeah. So, and we waited until whatever,
you know, these proceedings. So, I mean, is it your plan to enclose? I would I would like to enclose it. Uh, I was informed that the new 2018 FEMA flood maps shows it in the flood zone. Um, so I was kind of instructed that it would
make sense to enclose it, uh, lift it up to get it out of the flood zone also for insurance purposes. Um, so I guess at that point it would just be storage. Either either that or we would have to put uh I think like grates to allow water to exit if it were to enter into
the garage, which we did have a big rain not too long ago. I did take some video and wonder if water did enter into the garage. So the garage is lower than the grade of the house. Yeah, I actually have video of water that whole second street water completely flowing over the curb uh over the sidewalk and flowing
like butdding up against the house. The rest of the building is concrete block. That garage section is wood frame. Um, so we did have water intrusion there. So that's part of the reason why I'd like to fill it up, raise the level of it.
Is it habitable now or I mean is that or the garage or it's all completely empty. So it's just wood frame. Um, luckily we do have a good height in there. I have the exact height on my phone, but it's something like 9 and a half almost 10 ft. Um, so I think what we would need to
raise it would be about 12 in. And so that would still leave us with plenty of headroom. I I have a question about the green area up there. Yeah. So on the on the aerial view that was provided to us, the box that's around
your your lot doesn't include that. That actually is to the south of it. Is that is that that's on the That's on your lot though, right? I'm sorry. What was the question? The green section there. The green. See? That's it right there. See that picture? Yeah. So, you see how
there's a deck there to the south already? Yeah. So, I kind of highlighted the areas to show that we want to widen it, right? We don't want to go any further south. So, we wouldn't need any more set back to the to the south. And we also wouldn't need more to the east and west because we're not widening it
past the boundaries of the building. just to that boundary and that would allow us to fit the staircase inside of there. I think that box is skewed a little bit. U that that box should include that deck area that the green area the property the property appraisers is usually not accurate with the lines. What's that? The property
appraiser is not is usually not accurate with the lines. Okay. All right. You're seeing the black line there. Yeah. Yeah. That's black line does like you can kind of see a tree line and that black line goes probably five feet or or probably even more past that. So, it's it's definitely skewed north and east. That's
right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're on the other person's house. Uh on the north part of that that lot, is there room for parking up there on the north part? Yeah. No, I mean there's we have a a a
water tank for uh one of the AC units functions off of the water tank that's there. Is that the pump house that's on your survey? Yeah. Yeah. What is that? There's also palm trees there that you can kind of see like you see how the car isn't uh really to the north. It's kind of like outside of of the north part to
the west. Yeah. Um so there's foilage there as well. And also there there's definitely no room for another car to come up behind and get out. And also even even going that way, they'd have to turn. Even if we were to remove everything and get rid of all that, they'd have to turn because
there's a curb there. So they would have to turn to get out of there instead of being able to back straight out. There's actually a public parking right there that goes all the way up to the driveway on both sides. You can kind of see there's a car parked to the south of that driveway. To the north, there's also public parking.
So, uh, our decisions don't have presidential value, pre presidential presidential value. Um, and and the decision that we made, I think the one that you were referring to on 8th Avenue North was different in that they didn't
have any parking. There was no place to park at all. I believe that's correct except the rightway. But here, I'm looking at this and there there are places to park. You just don't want to park there, right? I mean, you have a garage technically a garage that you could I could I could destroy one of the
I guess rooms in there to go further in, but that would be different than the layout that's currently there. I'd have to I'd have to remove a wall to deepen in. And part of that wall is concrete block. This concrete block on the bottom half and it's raining on the top half. And then there's a side there's the the
yard area to the north, right? I mean, you could get at least one maybe two cars in there if they park. I definitely couldn't get two cars widthwise. And even getting one in, they'd have to go around. They'd have to go between the h the garage and that palm tree. And then
coming out, they'd have to make that turn into the driveway. are going to be going over the back of the curb. Even in the street view that you guys have from previous examples, a car that was parked parallel in front of the garage because they couldn't park in the in the garage
and they also couldn't park behind the building. Widthwise though, that concrete area that goes into the garage, what might be the garage? I'm sorry. that that concrete area. How wide is
that? I didn't have a tape measure with me, but I saw it. The concrete which concrete area? The on the west side. Oh. Oh, the driveway. Yeah, that driveway. I mean, you can kind of see the reference of a car there. If you were to
park a car in that driveway, like, you know, like I said, I have a small truck for instance, it would reach from where the garage door is, and the the end of the truck would be almost to the street. So you'd completely have to obstruct the sidewalk. Yeah. But the other solution
would be that you could open up the the garage area, right? I guess I could I could remove a room in order to be able to to park one car in there, but I still don't have a solution for four cars. And um it also
seems just from a uniformity standpoint, being able to extend the parking in front, I think it'd be more visually appealing. And you can also see on the south side it'd be more uniform that it's the same uh on the north and the south side of the street. Um in terms of
I guess closeness to the the stop sign to the west uh one of the street or the overhead views that I included also showed the east side once you get to first street how far those parking spaces ex extend. So I don't even think we need to go that close um to second
street to be able to fit four spaces in front. Um, and like you can see there's already one space in front. Um, so I'd like to just expand that three to the left. But but that area right now is public parking. Correct. Right. Right. Okay. Yeah. Every every neighbor has the
same the same issue where there were smaller lots and everybody's uh parking there on the north and south and even on the on eighth a. So, the other side of that same block is the decking uh on the west side of
the home and the stairs on the rear not going to have any sort of um roof over it. It's just going to be open for water to pass through because it's not included in your pious calculations. It looks like there's no roof. There's no roof on either one. And um I'm sorry,
you said something about the north side. So, it's only the deck on the west that was kind of that little yellow sliver and then the staircase you can kind of see held out of there and that actually entered into a bedroom rather than entering into living space. So, and it
jutted out to the west. So, that's why we'd like to encompass it on the south. Just confirming the stairs on the north that you have blue there. That's not going to have anything. I'm sorry. That was that shouldn't be in there. that was not something that we that was something that we had previously been talked about doing as an option that we weren't able
to include it in the green. Um so that's So you're not putting the second set of stairs to the second story. You'd only have the existing stairs to the home. We would only have the one there was only one set of stairs to the west and we would just have the one set of stairs to
the south in the green. Okay. I thought staff notes had something around you needing the second set of stairs to get access to the second story for fire code or something. I'm not familiar with that. But if we do need to do the blue set, that was a an
option that we had. Says a staircase is needed for secondary fire access. to to the city plan. Do you have comment on that? Is the blue like a requirement to make this to bring this house to
code? Do we know? I included the blue because if you guys could see from the previous uh view, there was a deck over that garage. We were able to redid the roof. When we redid the roof, we didn't reinclude the deck uh over the garage,
so we left that off. So, if you don't need the uh blue uh staircase, then do you need the the rear yard set back of 14 ft of 20 ft? Well, that that blue would be asking for even more. So,
we did the roof since then and we decided not to do that that blue uh staircase, right? So, it's just a setback to the the survey seems to show there's 16 feet from the rear of the property to the existing structure. So,
with the and if I'm reading the it might be it looks like it's 18 feet actually when I zoom in versus the request that I think the rear yard set back 14T and 20T minimum
and that would be the 18US 4 blue. So, you don't need to. I guess that's up to you guys. If you're telling me I need another staircase, then that's an option. Unless you tell me I need to put it somewhere else. But we're not telling you. Okay. We're just trying to understand the request in the context. I haven't heard about the secondary
staircase, so that's why. Yeah. If um if it's a fire code requirement, then he probably has to do it. Um but will that uh rear yard setback like be affected or would you have to ask for more? Um, if I need to put if if you're saying
it's a fire code requirement, I wasn't told that I needed to put that there and there was only one staircase before. So, if I'm needing to add a second, but yeah, but that was in the request that we sent you. It looks like the request includes the staircase because if you assume a 4 foot wide staircase that
takes them from 18 to 14, 14 being what was requested, 18 being what's existing. I in either case, there's a rear yard setback variance that would be requested. It's just a matter of if the staircase is there, it would be 14. And if it's not, it would be 18 in 20. So, we just want to make sure we understand if the
staircase is going to be there or not. And if it has to be there, the fire department's gonna is going to want it to be there. Okay. Okay. Well, then I'll I'll keep the the setback with the staircase if I if I'm required to do
that. Okay. Now, if I understand correctly, if we approve this, you would not have exclusive use of the parking places. I'm sorry. The parking places are going, if they're on the easement, are
basically going to be available for anybody to work on, not just the residents that are living in the house. If that's my understanding, um, that that wasn't my understanding. I was told that I needed to request um to be able to park in those spaces and then go to I
guess public works for the next step of that. I think it would be similar to people with driveways that cross the can't park in somebody's driveway. They don't own that we're not familiar with. Yeah, I would ask the city.
That's how it was explained to me as well that we'd be able to park there specifically. So, that looks like it's the majority of what would be the yard space the tenant would use. Um, not necessarily within the survey, but will you be what will you be doing for
parking on the front? Are you going to have them park on the grass? Are you going to pave that? Are you I would I would uh pave it the or I would do concrete just like the neighbors. So, just make that continuous in front of our house. Um, so yeah, just concrete parking spaces.
Would you be open to something more permeable? I I think right now there's grass there that would take on some rain water and to there's already a lot of concrete across that neighborhood. If you just went with a solid concrete slab, that that creates some more water
run off into the the neighborhood, I think. So, I'm just curious. Yeah, I'm open to whatever you guys suggest. Um, I know, you know, gravel could potentially be an issue. I've heard that before. Yeah, it has to be completely paved or you can use turf blocks or permeable
pavers. Okay. Yeah. So, I'd be open to either one of those options. The uh like I said, I already have a concern of the the water there, seeing it flood all the way hitting the house. Um, so I would definitely want to make sure that we don't have any other issues
like that. I'm less concerned in the front because the front of the building concrete, but the west side, like I said, with it being framed, um, the water issues, I definitely want to make sure there's not an issue. Have you already worked with the city for approval to
put concrete or pavers in that area? And are you aware of, you know, they're essentially right on the ement to tear that up at any point? That's back to you to replace it. Yeah. To the to the south. Yeah. They told me that I need to
go to you guys first, ask for, I guess, approval, and then go to public works. And I understand that, you know, plumbing and electrical and things like that might run into that you're referring to that might need to be torn up in the future in order for them to do their maintenance. Yeah. So, I I understand that. I'm just trying to, you
know, I think find the best and most aesthetically appealing solution to renovate this place and have parking as well. So the uh the staff recommendation that was sent to us is obviously concerned
about the parking situation. And one of the recommendations is to remove the garage or convert it back into parking spaces. If you removed your garage, would there be four spots to park in there? I mean, they could be like front and back, you
know, that it could be front and back parking. There's not enough depth. Even if you were to remove that wall, there for sure wouldn't be enough depth. Not not in the garage, but if you remove So, I'm just trying to trying to think out the staff's recommendations. One of the
recommendations just to remove the garage. If you remove the garage, would you get off streetet parking there? If I remove the garage, I would still only fit one car in that spot. So, I don't think that would change anything. You know, if I if I remove the the wall that's inside of there to be able to
park deeper, it's one spot. If I remove the garage, it's now one uncovered spot. Um, if you if you remove this two twocar garage door, you're saying that you would just have one spot. Like if you remove this area, you're
saying there's just one spot for it to park in there. I guess I guess within the boundaries of that garage door to me, I think that's one spot. I don't know. I don't know how you guys respond to be able to open the doors and not hit the the car to the side of you. I mean, the standard is 9 by7. Can you do a 9
by7? I would have I would have to measure it. Um, also it's a structure that is already there and has been there. Um, so I don't want to tear down a structure that's historically been there and
and um has interior space. Is there a way you can restore the garage and turn? Is there a way you can restore the garage and possibly see maybe you can fit two in the garage and then one on the outside or something similar? Fit two.
And I don't think there's any way to fit two in the garage and be able to open the doors because it's not like even if it's restored and then they get rid of the workshop. Like I said, I could remove that room. Also, the it's it's it was the the opening for the garage, the workshop,
and then there's a bedroom. So, it doesn't extend all the way through there. I may I maybe should have clarified on that. It doesn't go all the way to the east in case you thought it went all the way through because I certainly would be much deeper. There's steps that go up into a bedroom there and that's all concrete block. So, maybe
that's why you're thinking too too deep. If it was the full depth of that west to east, it's not. There's there's the opening. There's a half wall of concrete. Then there's steps that go up into another room of concrete that's, you know, surrounded concrete block.
It's part of the original structure. It's a bedroom. So if this was not a a two unit or two dwelling unit, it would just be two spots, right? Yeah. But multif family,
it's a um you have to have two spots for each for each unit. Where did people park when you were before you bought it? Um, to my knowledge, there were no It was an older man that had owned it and the other unit
was vacant and he just lived in the bottom by himself. So, that's probably the one car that you see parked in the the northwest. Um, I think there hadn't been much occupancy in a long time. Um he actually passed away and his uh
relative sold it to us. Is that public street parking on the west side just just west of the sidewalk? Yeah. So just west there's one to the south. Um and it's it's pretty tight. It goes from
kind of where the curb kicks out towards the street all the way to the driveway. There's one spot there and then to the north. I think there's one or two spots um until you get to the driveway for uh the neighbor to the north. Will you be tearing up that driveway if
you enclose that garage? Uh tearing like removing the concrete for the driveway. Yeah. Um I hadn't planned to, but if that's something that you have concern about, I'm just curious.
It's not It's not affecting anything. Um so I would I would would I just leave that there. In theory, and I I don't know this to be true, but in theory, that's why you don't have more parking on the side is because there's a driveway that has to have clearance
that's also concrete that's eating up permeable space if it doesn't have a use. And all all this is just not relevant to the approval of this. I'm just calling out why I was curious what your intention would be there. Where's the um entrance for both units
in the yellow? So the downstairs is in the front. So it's under the or sorry it's in the south. So it's you know you go you go under the the deck there to the south to get into the downstairs. The upstairs was um you entered in
through the west staircase through the yellow highlighted deck. And like I said, you actually entered into a bedroom and then the living space. Um that that was and those were the only entrances. Who uh accessed the garage? Was it the
lower unit or the upper unit? There's I think it was I think that Well, there was a workshop, but there was also um like laundry, you know, like a washer and dryer in there. And there was a door
on the north that you can get into it as well as the south through the yellow. So I didn't see anything indicative of washer and dryer upstairs. So I imagine that was for the upstairs tending to be able to come downstairs and do their laundry.
And this is just my looking at it seeing you know kind of what made sense because the downstairs inside had its own washer and dryer. Just a question on the garage again. So you said you remove the front the door of the garage, right? So you've enclosed
it with plywood or whatever, right? So effectively the the driveway becomes a parking area on the on the on the west side. Correct. Um I mean you can tell me if you think different, but I don't know how you would park there without
sticking out across the No, not not out. I'm talking about if you if you're telling me that there was a parking area to the south of the of the house and then two to the to what would be the north on the west side. My
ask or question is the the two sorry the two to the north on the west side are on the street. It's not it's not on the property. There's two parking spaces to the north on the street. Correct. But are they not next to the I don't but next to the where the driveway is right now is what I'm asking. Because you're
not going to use a driveway. Does that become parkable space on the street? Before and after the driveway, it's parkable space on the street. Without the driveway, there might be a third spot there. I think that would be have to go back and remark it. Are you saying to parallel park on the driveway? No. No. Um to parallel park to in front of
the drive where the driveway is right yard instead of driveway. Would the city have another open? Oh, that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. So, thank you. But then you'd be on the sidewalk. No, where the cars are now before and after the driveway, there's gap where the driveway exists. If there is no driveway, that
gap might be another public space the city has. Oh, I see what you're saying. For public Okay, I'm sorry. I misunderstood. Right. So, we wouldn't need to pull in there. So, that could be another public space as well. And honestly, I think that would make more sense because if you see the the south space, I mean, it butts right. It's like
right to the edge of the driveway. Yeah. So, nobody's parked on that side. Makes sense to just put another one right in front of where the driveway is. Just question. I saw a note you replacing the deck above the garage. Is that correct? Yeah, we redid the roof
and and we didn't redo the deck that was on top of the garage. Did you add that living space on that area? Look at the view picture. This picture here shows the deck open. Is that space above it? No, it's just a flat roof on top of the garage. Yeah.
And how many square feet is the upstairs unit? Um off the top of my head, I don't know. Um, I want to say it's like 16,800 feet. I have to look at the the survey. I don't
know if it's So, what would be the square footage for the first floor? Um, the first floor would be the same as the second floor and I guess more
because there's the other bedroom and enclosing of the of the garage. Uh, so like I said, I don't know square footage off the top of my head. I can certainly get that from our survey or or you know, property phrase or something, but I don't have that number off the top of my head.
So what happens if we follow the staff's recommendations with respect to parking? Where where are you going to park them? I'm sorry. Can you tell me the staff's recommendations again? Yeah. City staff says
um the garage be removed to allow for off streetet parking or convert it back into parking spaces. So, I guess if I'm required to convert that back into a garage parking space and I have it below grade, potentially a
flood, which I guess garages are allowed to be below grade. And, you know, to me, I I think you could only fit one car in there, you know, whether it's if you don't even take into account people fitting stuff in there, I don't see two cars being able to both open their doors and and be able to get out. Um,
I guess that's just my take on it. Um, And like I said, it's already a structure that was there existing. I'd like to not have to tear it down or or do something different with it and be able to just close it in, fill it up so it's outside of the the um I guess FEMA
flood zone grade. And you can kind of see the dotted line is the the FEMA flood zone uh grade there. So I'd be able to fill it up so that we're outside of that and just have it as um probably storage for for those two units.
And then you mentioned another one to the what was the other staff recommendation? Uh sorry I scrolled off is uh yeah pretty much we're saying you can either tear it down and try to add those spots or just restore it and then cuz you're
trying to base it off of your truck. The parking standard is based off like a regular car. The only thing is just as long as that's provided, it doesn't really matter what can fit in there, if that makes sense. Yeah. I mean, like I said, you have an option to defer, so we can sit back down with me and Christian
and and get this last part taken care of. Yeah. I mean, I' I'd like to not have to convert it back into a garage. Like I said, I'd like to raise up the the level of that. Um, and raising up the level of that, I think it was recommended we raise it 12 to 16 in. I think we're
going to struggle with zero though, especially What's that? We're going to struggle with zero parking spots right now. Your recommendation, your request is zero parking. Zero parking. Yeah. Well, and I I guess there's one there already in front. I don't know if that was included as one of the parking spaces that we already had, but there was one there in front just as we
purchased it. That looks like it was in the rightway. In the rightway. Yeah. For our application purposes, it reads a zero. It reads a zero. Yeah. So, I guess I guess I would be including that one that is already there. I don't know if that was approved already or not. it was just there. Um, and be able to do three
in front and really make the the front of the building the south. Um, and like you said, even get rid of the driveway to the west and allow that to just be the side. Um, you know, yeah, I I don't I don't see how the garage is a solution, not just, you
know, from personally not wanting to uh get rid of that and convert it back and then not have any any storage and that be required for one of the spaces because also if it's shared storage, person parking there or not. I know that's just me talking about my own, you know, complaints not wanting for two people have to share one garage for
storage, but only one car be able to fit in there. Um, but also we we need four spaces. Um, because it's a two unit. I guess we're being required to have four spaces. So, I think just having it in the south of the property would be more
uniform, more visually appealing. And um like like I said would solve the issue of the parking but just I mean on the parking so right now you have the parking on one on the south side again it's not yours dedicated to yours but it's available
right and then you have um what looks to be uh one then your garage or your driveway excuse me and then two after that if the if you were to uh I guess remove big driveway, if you will, to create another space. You'd
have essentially four on the western side of the house and then the one on the southern side of the house. So, I see the one on the southeast side of the house. You're saying where are the other three? So, I'm saying where that So, I'm just looking at the I'm looking at the
picture the Yeah, picture that's a little easier to look at. Yeah, that one. So, if you look at that um there's car parked there right now. Then there's your driveway right after that. And then there two spaces after that. Where where the
So, and second avenue right there. Um so I see the I see the one car to the north. Yeah. So the one on the one park there that would be to on the west side right now, right? You then I see what looks to be your driveway. Correct. And then after that I think there were two
more there. So my my only point is Am I incorrect about that? No, I see where you're saying the one that's parked to the north right now looks like it's it's onto the sidewalk. But even if you stack three cars that way, I don't know how anybody's able to get out because the cars can't move horizontally to the west
to get out. Oh, I thought there parallel park, are they? That's No, sorry. So, that's So, it's it's the driveway coming across the sidewalk and then there's a little grass strip, little piece of the driveway, and then another little strip.
If the cars were fit in that in that orientation from north to south, there'd be no way for them to move horizontally to go out to Second Street. Okay. So, I'm I'm struggling on this parking issue. Okay. Uh the the the
problem I have is that you're asking for for no parking um and just park in the city right away. you have a garage which you don't want to convert back into a garage and it appears that there's some room still on
the property. Um, I think the city just offered you a lifeline of saying, "Would you like to defer and go back and talk to them about it?" Because I'm just circling back to that conversation that I'm not the expert in this, but you were saying something
about public. They wouldn't let you dedicate those for the house only in the right way that I know of. I don't think public work or allow you to take their property and dedicate the parking for a residence. It's kind of assumed in by location, but
I don't think the city would sit there and say that's you're now you're parking. Yeah, I think the staff said explicitly, and I I meant this at the start, that that would be public parking. It would not be dedicated to the resident. There's nothing that would be able to change that.
I just want you have an assumption. You were referring to that earlier that you could talk to public works about that. I just want to make sure that what we're reading, we're helping you get trying to figure a solution out. And if if there's another solution like mentioned, another another one. I'd be more than welcome to to learn more about that. Um, you said
something the city would Yeah, like I said, um, if you want to go back and talk about this again, um, set up a meeting next Wednesday and then we can come back to to the next meeting, which would be on July, um, 15th, but I know it's going to be conflicting a little bit because, you know, you're also going for the um, conditional use
on the 23rd. Yeah. And I I know this is kind of outside of this, but I've been trying to resolve this issue for months, and I've already had one person I've had to kick out of there that broke into the place. So, I'd like to try to resolve this issue to not have to worry about that again. So,
um what um I don't I don't know what those other options might be, but and I understand they're saying it's not exclusive use for us to be able to park on the south. Are you saying that that might conflict
with somebody parking there and us not being able to do anything about it? Because I know that the neighbors obviously that's their only parking and you're saying I might have other other options, but I don't know how somebody would be able to differentiate between one house and another house being exclusive and non-exclusive in terms of
parking. And all those houses, as you can see, that's that's their parking on the south side. So like I said, options me and Christian really came up with was just um removing the um garage. We can discuss to see if we move the garage how much parking
space we can put there or we can see any options of like u restoring the garage or parking. Like the thing is it's not about what what you know how big a cart is or what it can fit. It's just being able to provide the park and just having it there. Yeah. I mean I'd like to not
have to tear down a a perfectly fine structure. Um, and like I said, they were they were using it for for interior space for, you know, laundry room and things like that. I'd like to not have to tear that down if um if you guys would consider the option of being able to park to the
south of the property, the open grass area right there. Yeah. and pave the aerial and and those images and you can kind of see to the east, you know, those parking spaces go um a certain distance from the stop sign. If
we did that identical here to the west, that would be plenty of parking. Just going to the edge of the building to the south um that would be plenty of room for four spots, four cars and would be uniform with the neighbors.
So, you know, I I think that that would that would make more sense and and I would prefer that rather than having to tear down a a building for So, you're saying on Seventh AB North? Yeah, on 7th AB North, you're able to pave that and provide at
least two to four parking spaces. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um just south of that building. And it would only have to extend, you know, from the east from that one spot. That being one to the west, the edge of the building, that would be enough spot for
the other three uh cars. I mean, as long as you could provide, but that wouldn't be the parking requirement by you'd still need the variance of zero spaces because that's that's public parking at that point. Yeah. And again, those those variances is not something that I'm requesting in
addition from what was there, but is to maintain the building structure that was there with the variances. Um, so, uh, the city has, uh, is willing to talk to you about it if you want to defer it or we can just
go forward today. What would you like to do? Um, I'm not really sure how to proceed from here. I guess you're telling me that either I might be denied or required to tear down the building. You go back and start process again. We're trying to get you to stay on track
somehow. Yeah, we're pretty much telling you to come and sit down with us and then discuss the next option because you said you wanted to use that spot on the seventh a you talk to me and Christian to see what options we have and come back here again to be seen by the board. Okay. Yeah. Instead of restarting all
over again stay all the same application. Okay. Yeah. If that's an option to keep it on the on the south that'd be that'd be great. So I guess whatever track to keep it Yeah. I guess um Oh. So would in terms of the variances and other questions
would those be able to would we get any feedback on those now or I I mean I can't speak for the entire board obviously we haven't voted on it but I think you've made a interesting uh argument for your variances that are
there I I mean just speaking for me I don't really see the only problem I see with your application is the part okay yeah would you be interested in us amending your request to remove the ask for zero parking spaces and then you would be required to find a way to
provide four parking spaces in the footprint that you've provided not including off-site parking. So you'd have you would basically have to work with the city to figure out how to put four spaces in that footprint with the variances that were provided.
Nothing outside of that footprint would would be counted toward those four spaces. So, if you're saying you'd like to get the sideyard back set back, the rear and the front yard set back and get that in place and then go figure out how to execute parking.
We could potentially amend the request to not have a variance for parking. You would have no variance for parking and you would have to resolve we can't do that. We can't amend what he asked for. It was not meant to just remove that from the request. Right.
That's what you're saying. Yeah. Could he defer his parking uh request and then we could vote on the rest of it? You have to repost them. Then you have to reposting. That's why we're trying to go through the whole put a new application if you can't make it work.
That's what we're trying to prevent from we tight. I guess I definitely want to talk, you know, about what the options are for parking. Um because if you do, we can't really move the other parking right there because then we have to talk to public works to
make sure they'll be okay with it too. So, we probably go back sit down and like talk this over again just to make sure we're 100% on the parking. Okay. Yeah. So, I'd like to talk about that see what the other options are um to be able to progress with the parking um
and are we are we able to approve the or or get your uh I guess say on the on the setbacks and But if I'm mistaken, if we do remove it, then you would have to apply for a new variance for the parking spots to hold on its own independent,
right? That could set you back. Then you have to repost it calendared out. That's what I'm trying to from. I mean, I know. So going this route would that that wouldn't set me back completely. I would just need to wait for my Yeah. Otherwise, if you break that, you'd have to apply new variance, a new application for those four spots. Again, the
posting's two weeks plus three weeks out. I'm trying to do the bestation. Thank you for for explaining that to me. Um I'm sorry. When would the next meeting be? Is it once a month? The next one will be July 15th. 15th. July 15.
That's where Do you you want to step back and talk it over? Yeah. Sorry. Is that okay? Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I don't make any decisions. Any conditional use applications under planning? The 23rd. I think we're multif
family. Okay. Yeah, I was looking at I didn't see it. Jen, sorry. In terms of removing the parking because obviously we have to do construction on this building. You know, we're planning on doing a lot of work to it. Is it something where we can address the other issues, take the parking off
and maybe that get put, you know, since it's one application, we can't defer the first three. Okay. And then have you go for the second one because we have to revert like you were saying. Okay. Um, well, if there's no way to to separate
these um issues, then I guess yeah, I would wait until the the 15th to readress it. She'd like to defer. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, uh, do we have to vote on that, do we?
I don't think, uh, we're going with not over there. No, no, I don't think we vote. We don't I don't think we vote on that on the We vote if we want to extend the time, but if they defer it, then we we don't. Oh, okay. We don't have to do it. Okay. So, we're not going to vote on it. Okay.
Sir, you can step back. Okay. Okay. That's it for our new business. We're on to the planning department report. Um the next meeting will be on July 15th. We'll also have training that meeting. We have one new item and then um one old item.
And we'll have this one again. Yeah, this one. This one's the old one. Oh, okay. And then one new one and then um training. All right. Perfect. Okay. Uh all right. Uh next is adjournment. Uh motion to adjurnn. Move to return.
Second. All in favor. I. Okay. It's moved and seconded. And all in favor? Thank you all.