all right it's six o'clock welcome to the April 7th regular city council meeting for the city of Jacksonville Beach we'll begin with our invocation followed by the salute to the flag led by uh Mr horn please rise few bag of heads
um good and gracious heavenly father we thank you for this day um we thank you for the salvation through your son Jesus Christ lord I would ask that you would watch out for the members of this council and the city staff as they come here this evening to serve the citizens
of Jacksonville Beach lord I would ask that you would bring your blanket of comfort of peace to the family of the young man who drowned this weekend in Jacksonville Beach lord a peace that only you can
give father God I would ask for your blanket protection over our United States military our police officers our firefighters our EMS workers and Lord I would ask that you would watch out for our lifeguards our ocean rescue
lifeguards the volunteer life saving corps lifeguards the people that day in and day out battle against one of the greatest forces that you put on this planet the ocean lord I would ask that you would give them strength to continue their jobs and peace as they go about
their days in Jesus name we pray amen amen i pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for all this meeting is called to order madam clerk roll call council member Golding here council member Horn here council member Jansen here council member Sutton here council
member Wagner here council member Wowers here mayor Hoffman here moving on to approval of minutes item A bear with me in this microphone uh I move we approve the minutes from the the council briefing
held on March 17 2025 second we have a motion and a second all in favor signify by saying I i any opposed motion carries item B i move we approve the minutes from the council briefing held on March 31st 2025 second we have a motion and a second any discussion all in favor
signify by saying I i any opposed motion carries approval of the agenda i move we approve the agenda second we have a motion and a second any discussion all in favor signify by saying I i any opposed motion carries
announcements mr sutton thank you mayor um just briefly most of us attended legislative action days a week before last I guess it was at this point and uh very productive meetings I thought anyway with our state
representatives and senators in Tallahassee um may I've gone three times now and um it was I thought the best um best meetings one-on-one meetings and we even got some bonus time with a couple of them they didn't necessarily stick to the brief aotted time that we had been
given and um I think they're continuing to fight the fight there's still some really bad um bills and um modified bills and all that that are being suggested even as we speak and um you
know if you if I would encourage citizens of Jacksonville Beach to reach out to your elected state representatives and encourage them to uh vote against a number of these bills that are uh pretty harmful to our to our local community and to decision making that we uh that we make here
locally councilman Horn sort of mentioned it there in his prayer and thank you for that but uh certainly a lot of thoughts and prayers with the family of the individual who drowned yesterday here at the beach and and honestly to the JBO and VLSC uh
individuals who had to uh work on that person and and witness that um that's uh never a uh easy thing to do and um sometimes things don't go uh the way you want them to and I've personally
witnessed that before lifeguarding here at the beach and um it's never a uh easy thing to digest and move forward from and and comprehend so thoughts certainly with them and uh welcome back mayor great to see you
thank you Miss Golding thank you mayor um I'll just follow up briefly on what uh Councilman uh Sutton said as far as the legislative action days i if you if you can please email Rep keon Michael and Senator Yarborough
and just ask them to thank them for supporting Jacksonville Beach because they definitely have been doing a lot for us they've been uh communicating with us a lot throughout the legislative session they're listening to us and they are um they are definitely advocating
for us so definitely thank them for that but then also ask them to make sure that they stay strong and and uh uh vote against the bills that will not be good for Jacksonville Beach uh also want to mention that a few weeks ago beaches
watch hosted a state of our schools meeting with the new superintendent uh Dr christopher Bernier and um our representative April Carney was really really interesting a very good meeting
um it was video recorded so I would encourage anybody who would like to learn a little bit more about what's going on with the Duvall school system and particularly the schools here at the beach um you can go to beacheswatch.com and watch the video the superintendent
had a very detailed presentation so highly encourage it um also want to just mention that there's a couple of things coming up yoga at the pavilion on April 15th at 6 PM which will be at the Seawwalk Pavilion this is something new that we're doing and hope that it's u
something that will help bring people out to our downtown during the week um also we have our Easter egg hunt coming up on Saturday April 19th starting at 10 10 a.m at Windgate Park and that's always a lot of fun for the kids and the
parents um want to remind people that have dogs that as of April 1st dogs are allowed on the beach before 9:00 a.m and after 5:00 pm um otherwise during the those times between 9 and 5 they're not allowed that's for the safety of the
dogs but for the safety of all of our visitors so please respect those rules and last but not least I want to congratulate my colleagues who are Florida fans um I am an Auburn graduate and my
husband is a Florida graduate so we did not watch the game Saturday night because we knew somebody was going to be disappointed and unfortunately it was me but uh congratulations to the Florida Gator and I will be pulling for the
Gator tonight i I'll cross off deliver condolences to Councilwoman Golding i'm not going to get too cocky we still have a tough game tonight but go Gators uh Mr wagner so um to touch back on something uh uh
Councelor Golden brought up I understand that the city has received a shipment of yoga pants designed for several members of city council so I think that uh you guys are going to have quite a treat thank you guys for offering to wear those um so should make the event even
more special um did wanted to thank the city staff and and uh our all of our support uh teams police everybody for a couple of wonderful event weekends um the 904 popup LA uh weekend ago um was
the largest one they'd ever had it's a great opportunity to shop local uh you know lot of arts and crafts and and neat things there so it was it was really exciting to see that and great to be part of it and then everybody who took advantage of Bluesfest it was just an absolutely wonderful event it the
weather was great and it was really a lot of fun so just want to thank everybody for their involvement in putting those on for our community and then lastly um if you know somebody who is working with a nonprofit who focuses on public service which most do on April
23rd from 11:30 to 1:30 at the Carver Center in Jack Beach uh the community development block research grant program will be there it's from 11:30 to 1:30 and there will be GL grant writing training explanation of the programs lots of great opportunities to uh see
and evaluate how you can get involved and pick up a few uh developmental skills so uh we really think that that's a great opportunity and I will be there but not wearing yoga pants thank you Mr wagner mr wowers
good to have you back and thank Councilman Horn for his beautiful invocation it was very very powerful i just want to alert the Fletcher family out there and all the military in our community i know there's a lot of y'all including our sister cities in Atlantic Beach and Neptune
Beach that on April 12th at 10:00 at Beach's Veteran Memorial Park we'll be honoring uh a former member of the Fletcher family uh United States Marine Corps the late Sergeant Randall Hansen uh with a memorial tree i hope we can
come all pay our respects thank you thank you Mr waters mr wagner did you have a Okay no worries i'll just real quick Mike before we go to you I crossed off all the announcements as they were made but I wanted to add um congratulations
to the 50th class of the Citizen Police Academy who graduated last week on Thursday and on Wednesday uh congratulations to the first session of the fourth citizen information academy so thank you to all of the staff
involved in that both the police department city clerk all of our department heads who and uh folks in our various different departments for their help with both of those programs they are tremendously successful and impactful and nobody did this one
congratulations to one of our newest Jacksonville Beach residents Ruby Matilda Mesa turned one week today this is the brand new baby girl of our former colleague Fernando and his beautiful wife Helen
Mesa please pass on your congratulations to the Mesa when you see them and uh that's it for me and we'll go to city manager Stapopoulos thank you Mayor Council wanted to give you all uh an update regarding special events because you've
probably seen some news articles about unauthorized events more specifically uh several weeks ago we were made aware of uh three individuals who began promoting an event in our community on April 12th um without authorization from the city
of Jacksonville Beach uh more specifically they had submitted a permit application within the 90-day window uh that is considered too close to an event and their permit application was denied since that time uh they continued
to uh promote the event online at which point a cease and desist letter was sent to all three individuals the three individuals are not from the city of Jacksonville Beach nor the Duval County or even Northeast Florida area they are from other portions of the state uh but
we sent out certified uh mailings to these individuals on March 27th uh through US Postal Service they certified that they were all received no later than March 31st we wanted to make you aware that over this past weekend on both April 4th and April 5th they were
still continuing to promote the event for our community on April 12th therefore based on uh conversations with our police chief uh and also in consultation with our city attorney we are going to send them uh another mailing likely tomorrow that will let
them know that we are going to start tracking all of our time and expenses associated with responding to the potential of their special event uh all of this falls under the state statute 3161891 and at the end of such if we
feel it necessary we will take the legal action necessary to try and recuperate those costs from the individuals so again this was to bring you up to speed as to where we are uh but at this point in time we need to prepare for a possible event on the 12th as they continue to promote it
thank you Mr stfopoulos and to city staff for taking strong action i really appreciate that um any other announcements from council moving on to courtesy of the floor we
have Barbara Bayer come on up is it Bayer or Boyer bower you give us your name and address and you'll have three minutes bye on just hit the little Just hit the little red button there on the
There you go oh Barbara Bower 604 13th Avenue South good evening okay um I was pleased to see that the CRA is proposing uh planters to to enhance the downtown area and I would
like to ask that the city look into starting a citywide street tree planning program for canopy and shade um and that means lovely as they are no palm trees because they don't really shade um white dogwood a little
messy but very pretty red maple is native to North Florida but I don't know if that's a good coastal tree the University of Florida Extension Office could help with uh picking out the tree that would do well you can also maybe check with the Arbor Foundation to see
if they have any grant money available i checked a while back and they were still funding proposals for quote overall canopy growth um stating the obvious we are a beach community so I thought maybe the city could try to enhance the beach
experience for us citizens and I've got a few ideas like maybe put in some rinsing stations in the end zones as well as some bicycle shelters these nice ones that shade and keep the bicycle safe from the rain
because right now our citizens are putting their bikes here on the dunes because that's where the shade is and that's where they're protected from the rain um also in the summer months I wonder if you could look
into putting portaotties into maybe some of the endzone areas several years ago i called some company that's did that kind of thing and um they said it was $50 a month and all the liability would be
with the company for cleaning it for vandalism for anything and I know St john's County has them right on the beach so that's just a suggestion and I would like the city to maybe revisit the interlocal agreement about
the pier it says here and this is from I think 2002 this interlocal is I'm not sure the pier must be an attraction to as many diverse crowds as possible as such the pier operator should propose
additional activities amenities and facilities that would attract visitors to the pier and generate profits i doubt if the pier operator has ever been in compliance with that provision i don't know of anything it's
ever done on the pier except charge a dollar for people to walk on it which is not really an enhancement but maybe you could form a committee to look into making the pier more of a vocal point for the city of
Jacksonville we don't have a really downtown center but maybe you could make the pier a focal point and we could have activities and stuff on it um after a festival I thought maybe you could remove the banners in a more
timely fashion they sometimes stay up there for three four weeks or maybe till the next festival and they put the new banners up it's not a nice look when you're looking at a a banner that the the event happened a month ago
and lastly I was wondering if you could put some of those flashing lights in the school zone signs on 9inth Street between 4th and 1st Avenue because I know once you don't have kids you don't really pay attention to what time you're
driving or if you're like me you have a car clock that's only right during daylight savings time so I never know what time it is thank you Miss Bower i'm sorry the clock wasn't working but your three minutes
has exhausted i'm done okay wonderful um and and it again it is our somewhat policy to not engage in debate from the day to the podium but I do want to say on behalf of the pier because I did hear some rumblings up here from my colleagues but the pier has
never been more active in my this pier has never been more active than it is right now and I cannot say enough good things about Kurt Dwit and Beach Life Rentals that operates the pier they have the contract with the city of Jacksonville they do silent disco out there there will be hundreds of people
just out there dancing away on the pier they do all sorts of fishing events he's gotten very involved in the Sand Castle Festival which is is coming back um I mean I could go on and on um but I I would check the pier out again it's it's clean it's tidy they've made the the
bait shop into a little bit of a store so and you don't have to respond i just wanted to Well may see I didn't know i've never seen it advertised maybe that's a problem i'm not sure where a pier would advertise but I do I do want to just for the audience and anybody listening at home just want to
say I cannot say enough good things about the pier and hopefully that'll encourage people to go check it out because it is having a little bit of a a rebirth since it uh after it was under construction forever um and soon we'll have the nice pier entryway parking lot
done we're not calling it a parking lot probably Taylor's not making eye contact with me right now okay um I will say too I just uh visited not to not that we're doing compares but I did just visit the Pensacola area and paid 250 to just walk
out on their pier so you know you can afford it all right our uh the only other public uh courtesy of the floor we have Janice Smith you want to come up give us your name and address and you'll have three minutes and I apologize is I'm going to time it on my phone because we have not
fixed I guess I haven't maybe said it publicly but this uh timer is not working good evening the little button to turn it on there you go there my name is Janice Smith my address
is 410 4th Avenue South my I'm a resident of South Jack Beach i stand before you today to rep to respectfully ask your support in fulfilling a promise made to our community a promise to update and improve Carver Center as many
of you know and are aware Carver Center has been a cornerstone to our community for years providing a space for recreation relaxation and community engagements it is a place where children play families gather and neighbors come
together unfortunately over the years the playground facility has aged some parts have become unsafe and there is an urgent need to revitalize the playground equipment last
year May 2024 we were promised that improvements would be made during the next fiscal year 2024 to 2025 beginning in October 2024 a promise that brought hope to our
many to many of our citizens who value the park we were excited about the potential upgrades which would not only enhance the park's appeal but also make it a safer and accessible and more enjoyable place for all there has
been no progress and many of us in the community are still waiting for the muchneeded new playground equipment i am here today to respectfully request that the council honor that request that commitment we understand
that budgets and priorities are often tight but the promise made to our community should be upheld our children seniors and families deserve a part that reflects the love and care this neighborhood has for one another i ask
you as our elected officials to make good on the promise to update improve carbon center please allocate the necessary resources and provide a timely a timeline for when we can expect to see
tangible progress our community is watching and we are ready to see this vision come to life thank you for your time and consideration we look forward to working together to make our community center a better place for everyone thank you thank you Miss Smith
mr wagner wanted to follow up real quick so Janice thank you for your advocacy and it's really important to have people like you stepping up and representing our community so thank you for that um I got a recent update on what's going on there so they just finished surveying so the folks that are installing the
playground equipment now have confirmed that the final design will fit it's all there in about six weeks is the start date on installation and that was because of some delays in getting a manufacturing parts uh shipped in and it just you know it's just what it is it
got delayed and we've had kind of had that issue with every park sunshine Park was really delayed gonzalez Park's really delayed it's not a good excuse and I'm not saying because they weren't it's doesn't you know it it minimizes what's happening at Carver Center because we all want you to have that beautiful park we cannot wait to
celebrate the day that Can we I know I'm not supposed to talk again but can we at least get a blueprint of what it's going to look like because we We'll follow up with you post posting thank you yeah if you can you turn the microphone off sorry we're going to have to get used to this thank you we're all still getting
used to the uh new AV system all right that was it for our courtesy of the floor moving on to consent agenda i move to approve the consent agenda second we have a motion and a second all in favor signify by saying I i any
opposed motion [Laughter] carries thank you Mr stfools okay moving on to city manager new business item A we have Miss Mobs good evening Taylor Mob CRA
Coordinator tonight we are requesting approval for the pure parking lot dumpster enclosure mural i believe on the next slide there is an image of the most recent version um or it was provided to you there we go so um on top
is what was initially presented and the art committee requested that the artist make the um jaws more vibrant and more of something that people are going to be heavily encouraged to stand in front of take photos uh the artist also updated the font you can see in the second one
and she did that and that is more reflective of the time period of the neon vibrant bright colors that font she said goes better with that aesthetic um and then something that is not on this but around the side the artist will have her signature on the bottom and then
they'll put um hashtag you know visit Jack's Beach #Jacks Beach basically whatever our communications manager decides is the most appropriate hashtag to use uh so we will make sure that Jack's Beach is also on there as well because I know that came up in meetings um so I am happy to answer any questions
anybody has thank you let's go ahead and get a motion i move we approve a Can we wait till there's a motion on the floor thank you go ahead i move we approve a mural by Lauren Claus on the
dumpster enclosure facade in the pier parking lot second we have a motion and a second mr wowers thank you i apologize for um procedural things miss Mobs um I was just curious the artist awarded this are
they from Jacksonville Beach they are not they are from Pontra was there any Jacksonville Beach artists who There were three okay thank you Miss Golding I just want to make a statement i looked at all the proposals
that this that I was amazed at all the all the proposed designs that people submitted there were a lot of really good ones and it was obviously I I think a hard decision to make um I'm glad to see that we have so many artists that
are showing interest and I was really impressed to see that we had we have so many artists that are local to this area it seemed like all of them were either Neptune Beach J Beach Jacksonville or Paneavidra yes right maybe one Atlantic Beach even we had one Atlantic one
Neptune three J Beach eight Jacksonville one St john's County two Pontabedra and then two one was in like Green Green Cove Springs and one was in Puerto Rico okay but anyway it's really good to see
that we're getting so much interest in this and I love seeing all the all the art that's that's popping up throughout the community the I I want to just thank the public art advisory committee for all the work that they're doing
any other comments i do encourage especially um our newer new newer council members if you haven't had a chance to watch one of the public art committee meetings um it's really interesting to see the deliberations especially local versus not local and uh and on some of the bigger projects too i
think the one that I watched was the big mural behind the Seawwalk Pavilion so we've got a really good group of um art experts and uh other folks on our public art committee so it kind of takes the burden off of us to have to look through all of those but it is it is pretty
interesting to see the breadth of talent that's interested in in being on display here in our community seeing no other questions Madame Clerk roll call council member Golding yes council member Horn yes council member Jansen yes council
member Sutton yes council member Wagner yes council member Wowers no mayor Hoffman yes motion carries uh item B Miss Bennett good evening mayor and council i'm Kimberly Bennett the director of human
resources to give you some context on this the city's pay and class pay and classification study was last fully updated in 2022 however because of the changing economy the workforce it's not uncommon for pay inequities and
compression issues to occur mike you're making me laugh so to address these issues and to ensure that our pay and benefit plans remain competitive the city issued an RFP for a new pay and classification study we sent it to 14
companies received seven responses a committee consisting of myself the deputy city manager the CFO and the director of public works reviewed these and rated them based on experience methodology qualifications requirement and cost so I'm here today recommending
that city of Council award the contract to Evergreen Solutions the highest rated firm they have been in business since 2004 they've completed over 1,400 similar studies including over 200 in Florida they also did our study for us
in 2019 our experience with them gives us competence in using them again and I am here for any questions you may have thank you Miss Bennett we'll get a motion on item one i move we award RFP number
02-2425 pay and classification study to Green Solutions LLC second we have a motion and a second any discussion miss Golding thank you um Miss Bennett I had asked you so I had talked with you prior
to the meeting about what we paid Evergreen when we when they did the pay classific classification study previously this is $5,000 more than what we paid them previously do do you know
why i mean other than you know that everything has gone up i mean is is there any particular reason that it is $5,000 more i would say it's just inflation they're going to be doing a similar study they did less last time um
this time we're So it might actually go down some we're not going to have them perform the um job descriptions they last time they actually wrote the job descriptions for us this time they're not going to do that but it was included in the amount so it could potentially be
less than what they proposed in their response to the RFP okay thank you Mr horn but sorry was but did we not just say that we're we are going to award them
with that payment i'm sorry I got to go back to Okay sorry I missed it um I just started to think about something else i was going to actually ask the same thing thank you Councilwoman Golding um although if you really want to nerd out and I just went down the rabbit trail here on page 89 of 89 on the their
submitt I just happened to find the word fringe benefits our price is all inclusive includes travel cost meals lighting transportation fringe benefits indirect cost overhead etc etc I just thought that was you know when you sit there and read 90 pages might as well stare at the little stuff that's all I had to say I just found some funny stuff
in there thank you Mr horn any other questions comments from council madame clerk roll call council member Horn yes council member Jansen yes council member Sutton yes council member Wagner yes council member
Wowers yes council member Golding yes mayor Hoffman yes motion carries item two i move you authorize the mayor and city manager to execute any contract as a result of this RFP awarded second we have a motion and a second any further
discussion or questions madam clerk roll call council member Jansen yes council member Sutton yes council member Wagner yes council member Wowers yes council member Golding yes council member Horn yes mayor Hoffman yes motion carries all
right moving on to resolutions we have uh a couple options here we're going to start off uh with an update from our city manager Mr stoplos thank you mayor and councel this item is a continuation of the discussion that we had at briefing last week on the 31st uh
talking about establishing an official name and logo for the uh station for those that might be watching at home just to give a little bit more background to this when the station transitioned from ownership of the American Red Cross to the ownership of the city of Jacksonville Beach the
American Red Cross put some very specific provisions in place one of them was that their name the American Red Cross and their actual emblem which was the Red Cross at the top of the peg could not remain on the building those are considered copyright trademark i'm
not an attorney david would know the difference between the two uh but they indicated that neither of those could remain on the building going forward more specifically they indicated that anything that involved a red cross would also be viewed as an infringement on
their copyright uh so or trademark whichever so we needed to come up with a uh with a logo for the building that was different more specifically at the top of the peg so people would know it was a life safety facility um a previous briefing that had been held with council
we talked about doing an inverted cross red background with a white cross uh that was ultimately put in front of the American Red Cross and received their blessing they said as long as it is inverted and contains text that would be considered acceptable and not infringe
upon their brand of uh the Red Cross so with that being said we're now at the point where we need to actually call the station something very similar to what you did with uh Fountain View Park last year or two years ago where you renamed that to be called Fountain View Park
going forward uh so when we discussed this with the council on the 31st you gravitated towards u a very specific design that would go at the top of the peg and that was the uh red background with the inverted white cross and we've
got uh the image to show you here so the options between the two are really to decide what you will call the station whether it will be at the Jacksonville Beach Life Savings Station or the Jacksonville Beach Lifeguard Station and the two resolutions that you have in front of you or I should say the two
motions with the same resolution number really just denote what name you will go with moving forward we are aware that at the end of last week um there were requests from the volunteer life-saving corps to see if there was a way to put their information
up on the building as well um in anticipation that council might want to see something more than just the inverted cross at this point in time we also reached out to Harbinger at the end of last week and asked them to update their quote to include what it would look like to put both the VLSC logo and
the JBOR logo on the east side of the peg not to say that that's where they would need to go but if we wanted to put those two logos on the building we now have a price to do that as well all of this would still fall under administrative authorization of the $25,000 which means if you gave us some
direction tonight on what you'd like to see for uh actual markings on the building other than the inverted cross at the top of the peg on three sides uh we could likely make that happen uh post haste if it is something that we needed to bring back to council we would not be
ready for opening of the beaches but again we'd want to make sure we get it right so with that we also have our communications manager Jacob Bour here who's been working with Harbinger and we have our deputy city manager Karen Nelson who's also been involved in the process if you have any questions at this point in time
thank you i also want to recognize the members of the VLC board uh and leadership who are here today as well and have vested interest in this issue um so we've been given two uh two motions uh to consider i've been advised by our
city attorney that we've been reading our resolutions by title and we don't actually have to do that so that'll save us a little bit of uh fumbling around at this point so uh I'll ask for a motion uh whichever whoever wants to go first to make the motion if it gets a second
we'll have discussion if it doesn't get a second I'll ask for another motion uh and we'll keep going until we get a vote i make a motion to adopt resolution number 2189-2025 establishing the official name and logo for the Jacksonville Beach Life
Savings Station we have a motion and a second to adopt the name of Jacksonville Beach Life Savings Station any discussion Miss Golding um I would just say that that really
isn't my first choice but I'm not you know if if this is what the majority of the council wants you know that's that's totally fine i just wanted to mention that um you know I just feel like it's it the building has been
referenced as the lifeguard station for many many years um I see it on the news referenced as the lifeguard station um the Atlantic Beach Lifeguard Station is called the Atlantic Beach Lifeguard Station in my communications with some of the BLSC members they've been calling
it the Lifeguard Station so to me it just seems that the Lifeguard Station is what everyone calls it i don't I would support calling it Jacksonville Beach Lifeguard Station so I personally
um would would not support Life Saving Station and that's my reasoning and I just wanted to share that with everyone so that you would know why mr sutton um thank you mayor just a more of a procedural question for the city
attorney if um I would like to offer amendment to the resolution would this be the appropriate time or would you suggest after we have heard from public or either time is legally permissible so however you want to proceed
okay and just to follow up on Councilwoman Golding's comments I um I I think in in informality people do refer to the station as the lifeguard station i I would contend that um I think the
historical name has been lifesaving in the past I believe and it's a little more representative of exactly what goes on um you know with both VLSC and JBORE um out of that facility so um I support
life saving um I'd like to make a uh amendment amended motion on the resolution and I guess this would apply to either one um specifically under section naming of the Jacksonville Beach
Ocean Rescue Building and adoption of the logo the city council hereby formally designates the ocean rescue building located at two oceanfront north as the Jacksonville Beach Life Saving Station and adopts the official temporary logo attached here to as
attachment A the only change there is to insert the word temporary uh second paragraph branding of two oceanfront north shall be considered temporary until such time as structural modifications and repairs of two
oceanfront north have been completed at which time a complete repainting and more permanent branding will be evaluated and accomplished paragraph three temporary branding shall include the placement of the temporary
life-saving station logo on the top three that being north east and south peg window facades previously windows way back in the day but they're covered now placement of the wording home of the
volunteer life saving corps across the south side of the building and placement of the JBOR logo on one of either the east or the west side of the building and I would envision that that would be between the
first and second floor along the white areas that exist there and then finally all temporary lettering and logo shall be of same color second we have a motion to amend and I'm not going to repeat that but if anyone needs
uh Mr sutton to answer any details on his um amendment we can do that so we have a motion in a second um flip your lights off unless you have a comment on this amendment mr wowers yes uh Councilman Sutton would you uh
please consider adding the words since two 1912 thank you i'd argue it has not been that building since 1912 this is the third the Isn't this the third building building certainly
been redone since that was lifeaving prior being just volunteer maybe that would that would possibly be something for the next like the big reiteration the final branding I mean I
think I can see that coming down I don't have a problem with it right now I mean I would you know I don't have a problem with it Mr jansen yeah so two things on this mo on this motion in of itself um there was communications with
some of the some of the board and staff of the VLSC who um agreed that they would be willing to fund some portion thereof of their logo and then the second thing that I'd like to see also on that on that motion is that the logo
whatever logo is going to be used that it's agreed upon mutually between the city and the BLSC so that it's consistent and that there's not an issue that you know well you didn't say it couldn't be a mural so we point paint a mural you know so uh those are the two things that I'm
concerned about can can you clarify Mr jansen your second concern or the the second concern is that that the logo is agreed upon mutually between the BLSC and the city are you talking about the logo this logo that's been presented to us no not on the BLSC that you read in
the motion um yeah i I didn't specifically talk about a logo for the volunteer life saving court it was just verbiage okay on the south uh south side well okay i I I stand by that that whatever verbiage
is used that is mutually agreed upon in the city miss Golding Mr sutton could you for the benefit of everyone go back through and it doesn't have to be in the form of a motion but just explain in
plain terms the main things that your motion is proposing to do just so that because I want to make sure I'm very clear I understand um my first point in referring to this logo that we're looking at as a temporary logo was that
um to reinforce um what we discussed at the briefing which was that um once the structural repairs and modifications had been done to the station that we would then essentially whitewash the station
and decide on exactly what makes sense and how do we want the station to look so um I therefore want to refer to this it's not to say that this logo would not be used um but I would like to at least at this point in this resolution refer
to this as a temporary logo um I the second paragraph uh just sort of pointed that out that um everything that we do at this point would be considered temporary until such time as the the modifications and updates had been completed and then at that point
whatever the permanent branding is going to be which I would this is just me talking out loud but I would anticipate would include possibly this logo certainly the JBO and BLSC logos we will decide at that point whenever that is um hopefully sooner than later but we all
know how things go and it could take quite some time and then um it's basically saying that this logo that we're looking at today would be placed um as was presented to us on the
peg on the north east and south sides in addition to that on the south um white border between the first and second floors the wording home of the volunteer life-saving corps would be
placed and then at at their option the city's option or their option the JBOR logo would also be placed on either the west or the east side on that similar white band that
wraps the station between the first and second floor and then finally that all such lo all such logos and painting or whatever the material is going to be made of will be of the same color in hopes that that would help reduce costs
at least for this temporary branding okay so thank you i really appreciate that because I was trying to keep up with your motion earlier and and kind of lost a few things so I appreciate the the clarification
um is there any reason why you're not proposing that it's say the home of the volunteer life-saving core and Jacksonville Beach Ocean Rescue because both of those entities are operating out of that building
uh not not particularly other than that is it is the historical home of the volunteer life saving corps um but um in an effort to also recognize JBOR certainly want to include their
um logo um on whichever side they would they would like for it to be included on i would like to amend the motion to amend that we add the home am I able to do that Mr
city Attorney not at this point but perhaps okay okay maybe I could maybe I could include another motion okay thank you that's no fun all right i think uh Mr wagner was
next thank you um couple of quick points and I won't belabor it too much i I do support the the proposed amendment um many similar ideas i I think we could make that work with you know there's a
few tweaks here or there that's fine i totally get that um I did want to kind of circle back to Councelor Jansen's comments around making sure it was mutually agreeable i can't get anything from any of my graphic artists that I don't sign off on and they work for me
so I do want to make sure that there's a formal signature process that everybody says before we go ahead and paint this on the building you guys are like I'm all I'm good with it so really would hope that that's that that does occur as a matter of process uh and then last um
I I don't really think and I listened to some of the discussion around um the volunteer lifeguard core and and their offer to help with the funds i don't think I'm really in support of that um mostly because so many of them live here at the beach and um it's a service being
provided to the residents of the beach and I feel that and you guys do so many good things with with your resources and I really think that this is probably something that the the city should um should all of and take care of so um I would like to advance the concept that
um that this is a a city responsibility and liability and with that I'm done thank you Mr wagner mr jansen i guess my question is similar to uh Miss Goldings is if I were to make a motion about
uh the mutually agreed upon verbage and the and the expense of the BLSC would that come on the original motion or would that come now if I may or is that an administrative right now what is on let me go to
procedure first and that question first and then if you have other questions I'd be happy to address them want to this is getting expansive and I want to make sure I have it under control so right now what is on the table before you is a motion to amend that has been moved and
seconded uh you all can either choose to approve that or deny that by your vote if it's approved that means we just now have the motion as amended before you and at that time it would be proper if anyone wanted to propose any other amendments to make those amendments now
you just can't amend a pending motion to amend if this motion to amend passes then that's where we're at we still haven't had a final vote and more amendments will be in order then okay i hope that's somewhat yep that helps helps a lot um so I have one other
comment um it's so at the expense of the BLC though I am the one asking for it um this wasn't brought up by me this was brought up by the VLSC they're the ones who uh suggested it and offered it and um so if they really didn't want it then
you know I wouldn't be opposed to the city paying for it but it was a suggestion that came from their uh from their staff thank you Mr jansen are you finished miss Golding did you have a revisit let me go to Mr waters first real quick mr
waters thank you Mayor uh one thing that I haven't heard mentioned and I appreciate all the thoughtful comments of my colleagues um is that we all know we're really talking about life saving here and having this emblem and this
verbiage will help them to recruit more people who will be available to save lives for free in addition to all the other beautiful benefits it instills in our young people service to to something bigger themselves and so on so I think
it's vitally important that we see this through and make it happen thank you Miss Golding thank you i I I apologize but I just wanted to say that um in followup to the discussion about the
language in the amendment that says home of the volunteer life-saving corps I just I feel that that there is a sensitive situation because we have Jacksonville Jacksonville Beach Rescue lifeguards
that are working in that building on a daily basis and if they go into this building that says home of the volunteer life-saving corps but it does not say and Jacksonville Beach Ocean Rescue i think that's doing a disservice to them and and the hard work that
they're providing every single day um so I just want to say I'm I will have heartburn in approving the amendment without the Jacksonville Beach Ocean Rescue being included in it so if and
and here's the thing if we have to vote on your amendment and then then the next step is I I make an amendment there's no guarantees that it will be added so at this point I can't I can't support the amendment because I would like to see
Jacksonville Beach Rescue recognized in that in that language as well speaking of Jackson Beach Ocean Rescue I'd like to recognize Captain Rob Emahheiser who's here i'm sorry I didn't recognize you earlier i didn't see you
your shirt's not bright enough just kidding all right Mr horn i guess I'll touch on a couple of things here um my support and there's going to a few things we'll go back to the beginning with the life saving station
um that building has had the words American Red Cross on it for the last 50 years and nobody called it the American they called the Jack Beach lifeguard station but it had the words American Red Cross volunteer life-saving corps in two foot high letters on all sides or I
think on three sides um so the words life-saving station to me um kind of you know give something back to the community um you know I don't I think that
councelor Sutton's effort to put the the JBO logo on there is great you know I want to um support Jabbore but I also want the community the community that fought so hard to keep that building
that fought so hard to support their sons their daughters their family members their husbands and wives that went down there and still do work down there um because there was a volunteer life-saving corps before there was a
Jacksonville Beach that group has been down there since 1912 started in 1912 and now it's 2025 this I think is the real importance
of not only that building but the legacy and the 113 years of service that that group has and continues to provide um so again I I support putting the words home of the Volunteer Life-Saving
Corps on there and the big thing is that this is all only temporary um but at the same time I think one of the things that's been causing me heartbreak and we've told Mike Mike you've heard it you know we thought it was going to be three to six months that we were going to have
something on there and it's been this big white building if I'm a family member and I'm on the beach or if I'm walking down and I I I don't want to look and see just a blank wall for the same reason we're covering up the the dumpsters you know people don't want to
see a blank wall um people need to be able to see and recognize that building and then I think putting the volunteer life saving corps logo name um I wish it had been on there as soon as we started our working again with the volunteer
life saving corps and recognizing the effort and the support that they've done for our community for the last 113 years um it's a you know that's that is I think what um that's how I feel and I think that's a lot in our community that
still feel that way that still support the volunteer life saving corps um and they're still providing a good service and honestly you know even though we had a problem this weekend on the beach we we could have had much more had we not had volunteer lifeguards on the beach
okay i want to support any organization that wants to number one serve the citizens of Jacksonville Beach and number two make our beach safer so I support the Volunteer Life Saving Corps um and I support the resolution
thank you Mr horn uh Mr jansen and we're still commenting specifically on Mr sutton's amendment yes uh so Councilman Sutton on the you're saying on the on the west or east side the JBO logo and
that's what you keep saying or are we talking about verbage on that as well um my language said the JBR logo i was just thinking outside the box if we have home of the Voluntary Life Saving Corps on one side could we have
home of the Jackson Beach Ocean Rescue on the other side it's both their homes are you finished with your comment Mr jansen miss Golding thank you Mayor i apologize for the the
additional revisit but um I I just want to be very clear please don't doubt my appreciation for the history and all the work that the the Volunteer Life Saving Corps has done for 113 years i'm not trying to diminish that at all with my
comments i'm just trying to acknowledge the fact that we do have Jacksonville Beach Rescue lifeguards that are in that building several days a week if not seven days a week i don't know maybe Rob you can correct me
yes and so I just again just want to reiterate I feel we're doing a disservice to them if we don't include them as Mr jansen said in saying that this is their home too and it has been their home for quite a few years i want
to say at least 50 if not maybe more so I just wanted to clarify that so and I I did not feel that you felt that way but I also I would have I mean I also recognize that the Jacksonville Beach Ocean Rescue was not left out of
this if if councelor Sutton's motion was just put home the VLC on there I don't think it would have gone anywhere but you know putting both of the logos up there you know and recognizing both organizations but I Yeah
Mr wagner um so I'm going to try to help a little bit so uh so it it as I was watching heads nodding at the recommendation of saying home of uh uh the volunteer lifeguards on one
side and the and the andh bar the other it sounded like it looked like just by watching folks in the audience and and with vested interest there was some support there and up on the das did as well it's my understanding that if you if we agree to
that I can amend my motions yeah your emotion's not formalized it won't be formalized until um the team formalizes it right so changing those words the city attorney will confirm that I can still amend my motion before we vote on it right that's my my point i just want
to make sure everybody's aware mr mcgette so the proper the perhaps the easiest way uh to keep things clear is
to and you all can ignore my advice if you want but vote on this motion to amend that's pending if that's approved the item is still before you and then another amendment could be made uh I think that's just probably for for the
record that's a clear way of doing it you feel free to ignore that if you want but I think that's the most concise way i only disagree because it's my motion on the floor and I think I'm entitled to amend my motion before a vote's taken
if you want to proceed that way I think that's an order it's what in order i'm gonna amend my motion the the third paragraph will read "Temporary branding shall include the
placement of the temporary life-saving station logo on the top three north east and south peg window facades placement of the wording home of the volunteer life saving corp across the south side of the building and placement of the
wording home of Jacksonville Beach Ocean Rescue on the west side of the building second we're going to give the city attorney a second to and we'll just deal with logos when we do
permanent branding if I may so so yes it's I don't have all 500 pages of Robert's rules memorized unfortunately but I wanted to so I didn't have that memorized so I wanted to go the safer route but your your motion is permitted uh it's been
seconded so we now have a new motion to amend on the tables is everyone on the same page does anyone need any clarification so it still just counts as one motion to amend yes one one vote and then if it if it's approved then The board can vote to
approve it if they want all right it was a lot easier just to amend the amendments before you came along okay and now we know it was out of order mr wagner do you have a comment on the amendment no no i was Okay so we have an edited amendment on the table any other
discussion on the amendment miss Golding i just want to thank you Mr sutton for amending your motion and I was gonna suggest the other option would have been you could have withdrawn your motion and then made a whole new emotion that would have been proper procedure too i think I
mean our the game starts at 8:50 we don't have that kind of time at this i think we're good so it's slightly modified but Mr wowers do you have a comment on the amendment as proposed yes i'm sorry i would ask the honorable
Councilman uh Sutton Mr sutton to please consider adding the words since 1912 mr city Manager just a question for clarification first motion said either west or east for Jay Boore new motion is
just west correct okay okay we have no more lights on the board we are going to vote on Mr sutton's amendment madam clerk roll call council member Sutton yes
council member Wagner yes council member Wowers yes council member Golding yes council member Horn yes council member Jansen yes mayor Hoffman yes uh Mr city Attorney has turned on his light
so now the now the original motion has been amended now an amended motion is before you all for formal approval i know that part i got that just Okay so we're back to discussing the original
motion as amended mr jansen okay i think this is the perfect time to make a motion on the original that um the verbiage be agreed upon by both the city and the VLSC as far as how it's going to look and for the branding the
branding whatever you want to call it yeah second and do I do one at a time or I'll do them both and that um the portion belonging to the BLC is paid at their expense
we have a motion to amend is there a second seeing no second the amendment fails any other comments on the original motion as amended mr jansen your light's still on okay
um before we vote on this I do uh want to say that while it may seem a little tense and and some of the procedural things here um please know it's because we all care very much about this um and I know that you all do too and I want to
say as well that after a really tough couple of years I feel very good that we're able to have this kind of dialogue and that we're taking maybe small maybe slow steps forward but we're heading in the right direction in our relationship between JBO the city the
VLSC so um I'm glad we're at this point it it did take too long but I hope that some of the formalization of communications and that relationship have benefited along the way um through some of these uh procedural things so Mr
sutton I'm not sure um exactly what the concern was with Mr jansen's amendment i'll offer an amendment that the placement of all logos or lettering uh be approved by
both the volunteer life saving corps and the city second there's a motion to amend and it has been seconded any discussion mr stopoulos question on the motion when you say
approved by the city or amendable to the city legislatively or administratively I believe administratively and it's mutual mutually agreed upon i have a question for your question yeah i just wanted to make sure that uh Mr
emory and I would be able to sit down and say "Yep this looks good." And we're able to move forward was my intent any other discussion on the proposed amendment madame clerk roll call this is just on the amendment by Mr sutton
council member Wagner yes council member Wowers yes council member Golding yes council member Horn yes council member Jansen yes council member Sutton yes mayor Hoffman yes motion carries back to
the original a original motion that has been twice amended any other comments or discussion mr jansen yeah I just want to um kind of reiterate what was discussed at the briefing uh last week i I did make the
comments that um everyone calls it the lifeguard station and if I were to go knock on doors campaigning um every door that I knocked on and I asked them what's that big white building at the end of Beach Boulevard in front of the ocean they'd probably say that's the lifeguard station i made those comments
at the briefing um I also went back and I looked at some old old photos dating back into the 50s and maybe even earlier beyond that and I did see where where the verbiage across the building was the life saving station so that did exist
back in time as well i think everybody's still still going to call it what what they believe to call it and and that's fine with me so but I did want to put that put that out there because that I did make those comments during the briefing and I and I stand behind them any other comments madam clerk roll call
council member Wowers yes council member Golding no council member Horn yes council member Jansen yes council member Sutton yes council member Wagner yes mayor Hoffman
yes motion carries that is the last item of business can I have a motion to adjurnn i move to adjourn second second Mr horn i was just going to mention that I learned the basic tenants of Robert's rules at age 15 in that
building with the lifeguard station because this is how life saving station sorry station sorry life saving station because this is how they run their meeting uh all in favor of adjournment signify by saying I any opposed meeting
adjourned