good evening whoa yeah it's only my second meeting with the new microphone good evening everyone welcome to the March 3rd 2025 regular city council meeting um and thank you for those who came a little early and heard the rest of our audit report I'm sure
that's why you came early because you didn't want to miss that but it was great um I want to um preface this meeting by saying I just got back from Australia and while my body is physically here my brain is somewhere over the Pacific so please bear with me um and I want to
thank vice mayor Jansen for handling the meeting uh a couple weeks ago in my absence I appreciate that and I'm going to go ahead and turn this meeting at least the opening ceremonies of this meeting over to him let's do the invocation and right after the invocation before we go into
the pledge I'm going to introduce a special guest to lead us in the pledge so let us pray good and gracious Heavenly Father tonight as I lift my brother and sister are up in prayer we just come to you in prayer of healing Lord we lost a special member of our
community a religious leader and the loss and passing of Father Kelly we know you have prepared a place for him in heaven Lord we just ask you to be with those who need healing and medical positions Lord we just ask you to be for those who have dependencies and having
tough issues in life Lord we know that you're there for them and that your mercies begin brand new every morning Lord we just thank you for all the blessings you give us put your hand Upon Our First Responders and our military as they keep our peace for us all this in
the matchless name of your son Jesus we pray amen so tonight we have uh troop Scout Troop 282 uh they're going to lead us in a prayer and the prayer The Pledge and um if y'all want to come
forward um Patrol Scout leader senior patrol scout leader uh Co Jansen is going to get us kicked off with the pledge and then it's going to be followed up by the Scout Oath I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you
gentlemen so the troop 282 uh it's a small troop but um Coulson is working on his citizenship in the community merit badge and this is one of the requirements to attend a meeting and lead the pledge and I'm pretty proud of
this troop because what you just saw were um almost all Eagle Scouts standing in front of you and Coulson is on his star ranking so he's just a step away from becoming an eil Scot himself so thank you gentlemen mayor it's all yours thank you
Mr Jansen thank you all for being here today and joining us in our Opening Ceremonies this meeting is called to order Madam clerk roll call council member Golding here council member horn council member Johnson here council
member Sutton here council member Wagner here council member wers here mayor Hoffman here moving on to approval of minutes I'm move that we approve the minutes for the regular city council meeting held on February 18th 2025
second we have a motion on a second any discussion all in favor signify by saying I I any opposed motion carries approval of the agenda I'm move to approve the agenda second we have a motion and a second any discussion all in favor signify by saying I I any
opposed motion carries announcements Miss Golding thank you mayor um as vice mayor Jansen said this past week we did lose a a very a big part of our community who is a
very quiet but compassionate part of our community Father Kelly I'm proud to say that he was he was my priest for several years at St Paul's and then when he retired he continued to do mass at Cypress Village which is where my mother
lives and even at the age of 90 he was still doing Mass every weekend and he wouldn't like the um accolades or the you know all the nice words about him but he was he was a very a very special
part of our community and and it's uh it's very sad that we have lost him if anybody it's going to be crowded tomorrow but his funeral is tomorrow at 11:00 am at St Paul's it will be streamed so if you'd like to watch his funeral online as opposed to attending
you can do that just go to the St Paul's website and also want to let everyone know that we've got got a um free parking registration for residents that's going to be going on tomorrow here in council chambers from 10:00 a.
to 2 PM so if you haven't registered for pre parking you can come here and get it done also want to let everyone know tomorrow the legislative session starts and the craziness has already begun we had a call today with the Flor League of
cities and and I think we all agree that every year we don't think it could get worse but every year it does and this year is certainly um not any different um the legislative session is going to be for 60 days and will end on May 2nd
so um based on past experience we have usually seen a flurry of activity towards the end of the session um bills that we thought were dead come back to life so um I just encourage my fellow council members to to stay on top of
what's going on in tasse because it impacts impacts us significantly here um in our local communities also want to let everyone know that there is a beaches town hall with our Jacksonville council members um Wednesday March 5th
at 7 pm and by Jacksonville council members we have five at large council members and because they're at large they represent us here at the beach too but I don't know how many times any of you have ever seen them here at the beach and they need they need to be
coming to the beach and understanding what our concerns are here at the beach so there will be a town hall Wednesday March 5th at 7 pm at the Beach's Branch Library um four of the atlarge council members have confirmed we've got Matt
carluchi Nick Howland Chris Miller and Ron Salem who have confirmed and then our district council person Rory Diamond who also repres presents us uh will be at the Town Hall as well so I would encourage anyone to be plan to come out
to this town hall it's a great opportunity to get to interface with our Jacksonville Representatives who need to interface with us and then last but not least I just want to thank the city manager and staff for responding to
concerns that were raised in our last council meeting during courtesy of Florida the visitors um I know that it's important for citizens to be heard when they have concerns and definitely appreciate all that you guys did to
follow up with those with those citizens and I just encourage our citizens to email any of us on the council if you do have concerns we are more than happy to um connect you to the people in the city that can help you address those
concerns thank you Miss Golding Mr Janson yes um to piig piggy back off what Miss golden said one of the things that I heard this morning on the the Monday Morning Call in with the Florida League of cities was there is a bill
that was filed to abolish C and I didn't think I would ever see that one coming coming across the the Das but sure enough that happened this morning so um once again kind of like what I talked about in the workshop if you attended at Senate Bill 184 dealing with requirement
for adus on any residential property I don't think either one of those bills will make it all the way to the end to the finish line and get pass I think they'll they'll die somewhere along the lines but you never want to bank on that that's one thing you just don't want to do so we have to remain Vigilant and
make sure that we fight this to to the end because those two things are important to our community uh also last Wednesday I attended I'm a member of the uh pension board for our city and I attended our courtly pension uh meeting and when I look at the numbers that were
presented in the briefing today um I'm pretty proud of our pension board uh we're doing amazing work I think that Miss Gossett would agree with me to some extent uh the general employees sitting at 85% and police officers at
99.43% net and the um firefighters at 92.3 4% if you really want to know what that means kind of take a look at what's going on in Du County downtown to look at what their percentage is and compareed to ours I don't want to say
much more than that other than do a little bit of homework but we're doing amazingly well so congratulations on our pension board thank you Mr Jansen anybody else go ahead so again like last week
I'll finish up with fun stuff instead of what they're talking about um so I had the opportunity this weekend to support one of our community business partners wasbo uh as they had their annual Barbecue cook off so Chris from was Pro
will be representing our little community in a national barbecue contest and it was just kind of a neat experience to go out and this is in my background I'm in healthcare not normally um a business I would interact with and I tell you it just filled my heart with joy to interact with folks
that care so much about our community and helping us keep it clean and the way it needs to be so it was just a really really encouraging and wonderful experience and I just want to take a second share with you thank you that's it for Council announcements courtesy of the floor to
visitors we have a couple that are not attached to an agenda item we'll start with Jim sell could you turn on the microphone please oh hello everybody I'm I'm Jam
LEL what a provement in the uh sound system 428 North 10th Avenue Jacksonville Beach um tonight I come to you and unfortunately want to point out a couple
things it's about the planning uh commission uh just small things that need tweaked first thing is that uh there's close to my house there's a bar that was going to be uh coming up for a
conditional use uh the notice was is printed on January 10th the uh postmark is 29th which the clerk has and the meeting was on the
10th and I received the letter on the 25th I called the plan commissioner and found out that it passed so that's water over the dam but I want to point out that that there is a problem with the mail system which has
nothing to do with us it's the first time I've gotten things three four weeks and back so maybe there could be a better way to notify because if you don't show up the Commissioners just to think you're not interested and that's not the truth
people are very interested and a lot of times they just don't show up because of peer pressure they know the people that are asking for a variance or conditional use but I want mention that on the
Planning Commission the rarely ever put conditional uses when they pass something and as a result the plane director when they put the uh recommendation and it was not accurate
because the fact that conditions weren't put in the first the first uh uh applicant for this was poor craft beer who before they even opened changed her name to really good beer so that is just
one and they were supposed to be a uh God what do you call it uh Growler only no bar but there they did the whole presentation where they're just going to have a tasting so anyway that's how that came
about that's a long story so that was what was supposed to be a grower I asked for that particular time to have a conditional use one member uh wanted to put conditions that they were asking
for and uh it never got pass so anyway the main thing I'm trying to point out is the fact that having conditional uses I understand we have as Bill man always pointed out to these boards the fact that they do not have what do you call
it um enough code enforcement to go through this but if you if there's something if the conditions were there then they would have found out that this Growler bar had turned into a bar that
had Set uh 30 they had two parking spaces and they use the residence for parking and my house unfortunately was was subject to uh I don't have to tell
you anyway and this next one like the spruce plant that turned out to be a good neighbor but that one acted just like that like a small small bar whatever I'm hoping this next one will be the same
but the fact that that there was no conditions at the beginning it was classified as alcohol drinking establishment and not a growler tap r and that's why I just want to point out is that the need to put this in there
and unfortunately the Mission had used a lot of personal opinions rather than facts and didn't think that was new because the fact that we have two restaurants with bar three restaurants with bars in the same shopping
center all right thank you Mr sell thank Kathy Hall good evening uh Kathy Hall 16 1839 6 Street South Jacksonville Beach I have a question regarding flash vot or job
form I'm not sure what name it's really going by and wondering what the status of This was um in the end of October I communicated with Jacob Bard um with some questions and concerns about the
survey and he immediately responded and completely responded to me um so thank him for that um he did indicate in that communication that the results of the survey would be immediately and done and
in a timely manner um and the public would receive a summary of the results in the end of October I took the survey and I think this has been the only survey that has come out of this cont
thus far but I have heard nothing um about any summary of what this survey said it was on the urban trails and I'm just wondering we've got three months into this contract we've got one
survey um I'm really not sure I didn't go back into last into the budget to see how much you're paying this group for this but I'm just wondering what the status of this is thank you thank you we will get some
followup from Mr Bor for you all right that is the last courtesy of the floor card uh next up consent agenda I move that we approve the consent agenda second we have a motion in a second all in favor signify by saying I I anyos motion carries and just
to if you're following along that was the um the audited financial report that we reviewed prior to this meeting okay next up we have a proclamation for flood Awareness Week um and we do not have anyone here to accept
the proclamation but I've been asked to go ahead and read it so my reading glasses are on standby whereas the city of Jacksonville Beach has experienced severe weather in the past in the form of extreme rainfall or tropical system events resulting in flooding in both
Coastal and riverine areas and this flooding cause damage and flood losses to homes and buildings in all areas whether they are high risk special flood Hazard areas or low to moderate risk flood zones and whereas the city of Jacksonville Beach is a voluntary
participant in the National flood insurance program that provides residents with the opportunity to protect themselves against flood loss through the purchase of flood insurance at reduced insurance premium rates as well as setting higher regulatory standards to reduce the flood risk and
potential flood damage to their property and whereas the city of Jacksonville Beach has been a participant in the National flood insurance program Community rating system since 1992 and maintains a class six rating which provides a 20% reduction to all
residents on flood insurance policy premiums and whereas the reduction of loss of life and property damage can be achieved when appropriate flood preparedness control and mitigation member measures are taken before a flood and whereas as public education and
awareness of itial weather weather hazards and methods of protection are critical to the health safety and Welfare of residents the Florida flood plane Managers Association have declared the week of March 3rd through 9th 2025 as flood Awareness Week to promote
awareness and increase knowledge of flood risk and the availability of flood insurance flood protection methods and how to prepare for emergencies now therefore we the city of Jackson beach in coordination with state and federal agencies do hereby Proclaim March 3rd
through March 9th 2025 as flood awareness week I don't I don't know if we applaud for that or not but if you want to all right moving on to uh city manager new business item
a I think we have Alison Riley here to present good afternoon my name is Allison Riley and I'm the events coordinator for the city um I'm here tonight because last year city council expressed interest in doing a pilot program for a fully ticketed
event um as you all are are aware our policy right now does not permit for fully ticketed events um right now we only permit uh free events that can only ticket for half of the seawalk
lawn um after the intent was laid by city council um a evaluation committee was put together and an RFP was put out the RFP was sent
out to um our database of event producers as well as advertised nationally at the conclusion of it we did receive two applicants um the commit the evaluation committee reviewed both and ultimately
decided that our team um produce the best RFP so we would like to move forward with them I do want to express a couple of things um not everything that is in the packet is concrete and will
happen that's just a concept plan um I know that it's for a two-day Festival in March which does go against our current policy so we would work with them to make sure everything that happens applies to our policy and is good good
to go that way um but overall we felt that our team had the best uh safety plan Transportation plan and had the best experience that was comparable to the events that we know can be put on at the seawalk
Pavilion um so if there are any questions that you guys have I'm open and look forward to it thank you thank you Miss Riley and a motion I move that we award RFP number 01242 for ticketed special event to
realtime entertainment and management second we have a motion in a second any discussion from councel Miss Golding Alison can you clarify you you said that they proposed a two-day event is it actually going to
be a two-day event or is it going to be a one-day event no ma'am it'll be a one- day event to comply with our festival or with our Festival policy see okay thank you Mr horn um as I look at the VIP viewing
portion there so when we looked at um reworking this area in the future one of the things that we actually looked at was having the south side of the main stage area the big big Plaza the big
Pavilion area there was normally access there for pedri that are not involved is there still going to be that like say I'm riding up First Street and I don't can't get through is there going to be a way or do I have to stop and go around does that make sense is there I
mean I'm trying to see is there is the whole area here going to be inaccessible to the general public where where was where will the person who's riding their bike on First Street be limited I guess I was trying to figure that out yes sir so it would be a similar uh road closure
to most events at the seawalk ion that have First Street closed um this one is a little different because it would have First Avenue closed but the boardwalk would remain open um and if there were any safety concerns put place by the fire marshall who's part of the events
committee we would work with the producer to make sure that any avenues that need to be open are open um this is just a concept plan for what the producer would like but it doesn't mean that the lay will be exactly this okay just yeah because conceptually I mean a lot of times I think if there's
a festival going on people can still get through on their bikes like hey you know and they'll just kind of hop off their bike kind of walk through and hop back on their bike on the other side whichever direction they going on first I just want to ask that okay thank you Miss Golding sorry just a quick revisit so I was just thinking about
this and I it sounds like this was distributed pretty far and wide and the fact that we only had two respondents kind of makes me wonder why we only had to do we have any do you have any thoughts as to why we didn't have more
people app I me we were a little shocked too to only get two back I don't have the slightest idea why it was only two but we did circulate it as much as we could on our side and then nationally as well okay thank you I can't put my fingers on it but one
of the requirements was a proven track record of experience within Jacksonville Beach which is a pretty small Universe even if you're throwing it out nationally is that correct it's correct okay and I think um I just want to say our team does a great job they've got especially fin Fest um they've done an
excellent job very professionally managed well-run not just here in Jacksonville Beach but they do events Nationwide so I'm really glad that that's the organization that Rose to the top um with this Review Committee any other questions or comments from Council Mr Wagner quick comment and this and agree
with uh the mayor and her comment just then so my comments have nothing to do with who applied for this and or who accepted um one of the things just going through the process as a member of council and kind of sharing um I'm going to encourage that as we go forward with
other pilots and other more Innovative programs that we contemplate a more inclusive process for all those involved including Council I understand the legalities of gonus Island and everything else but um I think those are not put in place to um they're put in
place to protect certain things and they're legal reasons for them and I get all that but they also don't encourage uh Innovation and inclusion as we start to do more Innovative different types of things in our community so um one of the things I I'll continue to advocate for
is a is processes where we all get to be involved at different levels than we would if this was more blocking and tackling type stuff so again not a comment to you and the great work you and the team have done or the wonderful people that have uh applied to support
and create a great event for our our city but just in general a process based on Mr suton thank you Mr Wagner I agree uh just a followup Alison or Jason on what
councilman horn brought up so if pedestrian or bike traffic were headed north on First Street there will there'll be an opportunity to get to the boardwalk or would traffic have to literally turn around and go back to Beach
Boulevard I believe that's something that we could make happen if it's a concern and it seems like it is I'm confident that the producer um would find a solution for that so we'll make sure that that's um a big Turning Point with this with this permit
thanks I don't share that concern because a bike could still pass on the boardwalk or Second Street with this layout and we do have at least one event already that blocks um that because they have one entry way and with a ticketed event you need to have a little more
control of access than we do with our current events so I I do think we need to view this one a little bit differently than we View kind of the way we always do it to your point to encourage some creativity um I do appreciate the fact that this was done
with a committee outside of the council because I do think we need to keep um that separation and who who's getting something like this especially since this is a somewhat um controversial Topic in our community so I appreciate the work that was done by um the Review Committee as well as the applicants that
uh did take part in proposing an event any other questions or comments Madam clerk call sorry one thing I want I sorry I thought councelor Sutton was gonna say something so I was waiting for him and then uh one thing I was just gonna one no one thing I would say is
that I guess and yes this is a little different than what we've done in the past so let's make sure that our team or you know whoever's putting on this event number one that there's good signage and that everybody knows and then we also let the citizens know ahead of time just so that you know hey they may not be paying attention to the schedule but they might get something that says
you're going to go out for a bike ride this weekend you know there's you're not going to be able to get through if there is a big Festival so just again so the citizens are aware ahead of time that this is a departure from our normal but if it works out everybody likes it maybe we can do it again I think that's a great point the
communication plan from not only the event organiz organizers but from the city since this is going to look different um and maybe throwing it into a council briefing prior to the event would be a great idea Mr wers do you know what day in March this is being considered
for March 26th or 27th since it was applied as a two-day they'll need to pick one day thank you any other questions or comments Madam clerk roll call council member Golding yes council member horn yes
council member jansson yes council member Sutton yes council member Wagner yes council member wers yes mayor Hoffman yes motion carries moving on to Item B Mr Baron you're normally already at the podium by
now um I've got a a three-part approval tonight compared to my normal two-part approval um this is involving replacing servers at the um Water Reclamation facility which is formerly our
wastewater treatment plant um several years ago we moved away from our agreement with our comites to provide support for our computer controlled processes at the Wastewater Plant uh with with Mr ryer moving in and helping
um the city taking on additional it responses we moved that to inhouse so this is something that is kind of a combination project between me and um is Department simply because I don't mess with servers I just have to pay for them
so um so we anyway we this uh decision was was not taken lightly there was a couple of different choices we went back and forth a whole bunch um I apologize for getting the sole source letter to you so late we were still rounding that up today um which is basically the
agreement between AWC and the city so that we don't allow other people to get into the networks because this controls everything that goes on at the wastewater treatment plan so um the first part of course is to approve the contract to actually buy the servers the
second part is for the mayor and city manager to execute the contract and then the third part will be for approving them as a sole source for that's purchase thank you Mr Baron and a motion on part one please I move that we approve the proposal from AWC for the
upgrade to wind CC at the Water Reclamation facility second we have a motion and a second any questions or comments from Council Mr horn Dennis in April of 23 we did approve for purchase of I think it was
similar through AWC is this a replacement for what we had then or that's what I'm trying to figure out um we didn't replace those but I think at that point time we were doing some equipment upgrades there and so that was for that work and then what we
found is our new um process software requires us to have a brand new server so we actually had a set to approve um a purchase of a server that would ultimately require us to purchase a new server after December of this year um
that didn't seem to make a lot of sense to spend a big pile of money to wait and then spend another big pile of money in seven months so uh we worked with is to be able to come up with an appropriate solution to be able to upgrade once instead of having to do it twice and the
purchase price for that one is I want to say one like close to $139,000 almost similar to this what what prevent I mean is is this going to be something that we're going to see every couple of years now or what prevents this from uring get two years so I'm not sure if I can
answer all of that as part of our moving away from having this as a contracted service and move it uh to it or is to be able to handle it's taken a significant amount of bandwidth for um their department to get up to speed over the
last couple of years and then right now unfortunately every time we have any kind of an event at all we get locked out of our own server and we can't keep track of what's going on at the Wastewater Plant so the good thing is it continues to function and run like it's supposed to whether or not we can see it
or not we just can't see it so it's usually a fairly involved process to get there okay and like I said my my concerns I'm sure they're shared by my council members is you know number one obviously the you know the proper functioning of our equipment and everything going and providing the
services to the citizens that they that they need um these are not just wants these are needs but then at the same time I want to make sure that we're making sure the citizens are getting for their tax dollars you know what they're paying for thank you mam
clerk Mr rer was there a question for me I didn't hear your name was referenced in Mr Baron's answer but perhaps Mr rer can chime in with u yeah I can comment I'm sorry about that um Dennis was talking we had a contract previously with a company called
Archimedes and they managed the hardware um and software to some extent um we have had to um cancel that they were not providing the service that we needed so we got a new company AWC as Dennis was referencing they came in to the uh Water
Reclamation facility and did a complete review of all the technology that's there for this um and they recommended some intermediate steps where we could use the ex existing Hardware that Archimedes originally purchased the problem with that was Archimedes was now
out of the picture and they had all of the access information the username password administrative passwords and we couldn't get any of that the technology was about six years old so at the end of the day what we decided to do was buy new Enterprise technology put it over in
a Water Reclamation facility and have our internal Services install that and manage it going forward say that seems reasonable it's about three or four iPhones back so that makes more sense thank you any other questions or
comments Madam clerk roll call council member horn yes council member Jansen yes council member Sutton yes council member Wagner yes council member wers yes council member Golding
yes mayor Hoffman yes m carries and part two I move to authorize the mayor and the city manager to execute the proposal from AWC to for the upgrade to Wi CC at the Water Reclamation facility second we have a motion and the second any
discussion Madam for call council member Johnson yes council member Sutton yes council member Wagner yes council member wers yes council member Golding yes council member horn yes mayor Hoffman yes motion carries item three I move we
declare AWC as a sole source second we have a motion in a second any discussion Madam clerk roll call council member suton yes council member Wagner yes council member wers yes council member Golding yes
council member horn yes council member Johnson yes mayor Hoffman yes motion carries item C Mr Johnson uh good evening mayor members of council I'm Nicholas Johnson I'm electrical engineer with Beach's Energy
Services and I'm coming to you tonight for the purchase of 11 26 KV Breakers and more specifically the sole source to allocate Meers controlled power LLC as a sole source provider of these Breakers
uh currently we have 51 26.4 KV Breakers throughout our distribution system um they operate on five substations from the Northern end to the southern end currently on the Northern end of our uh distribution system okay I got up there
um we have six Breakers that are currently out two of which reside at pinman substation the other four at Jax Beach we already plan to replace the four Jack beach this summer and we need to immediately move forward with replacing the ones at Penman substation due to the two recent failures uh we did
a diagnostic kind of interpretation of like our 10 years of data and we found that all the breakers are close to an operational end of life uh a little bit sooner than we initially expected but the data is definitely pointing that way and during testing
some of the other Breakers were starting to exhibit the same symptoms as the fail Breakers so without tying too much more of the system together and operating in a safe and controlled fashion before we put anything else at risk uh you know
customers alignment more equipment what whatever we want to go ahead and proactively replace all the breakers at pinman substation uh we're requesting to move 411,000 to make this purchase for the long lead time items
which is specifically the breakers and the relays that would be associated with each breaker thank you Mr Johnson and a motion I move that we approve the purchase of 1126 KV Breakers from Myers controled power LLC second we have a
motion on a second Mr horn just to make sure I understand so how many are I know we're replacing these 11 are these the rest of them of the 51 that are currently in operation are all good to go or did I understand you saying that some of those are nearing end of life or
looking towards that direction uh the breakers that we're replacing would be specifically at pinman substation out of the five distribution substations that we have uh the other one is Jack Beach that has four failed uh currently it's a different style of breaker it's like an
outdoor uh just by itself where these are if you go back the previous slide you can kind of see that all this is in a metalclad switch gear uh operation so each of the bottom doors on the right and left side of this hallway essentially um house an individual
breaker um and if you if you look at the agenda pictures that were uploaded you can kind of see the unique situation that we're in as far as looking at a very specific breaker that that goes in there where most of our outdoor switch
yards that you might be more used to see you can see the highlighted yellow area oh no those I know the main reason we asking the question yeah not that I'm questioning you I just when I looked at this and it said 33 we lead time in the back of my mind they said do we need to get more are we going to have failures
in between now and the time that these get here that we're then going to need that that's my question is like are we anticipating others to fail in any kind of near future we anticipate them all to fail in the near future uh due to the operational count so breaker
specifically how many times you open and close it that's what what we go on and currently they're all approaching a very close margin as far as operational count so how many times we've opened and closed them um this count kind of suffers if you're open and Clos it with
no load on it it's one condition it's way worse if you have a full load like a fall Al and it opens to protect the system so that's more strenuous on the breaker itself but the two that got repl or two that failed are specifically the highest used Breakers at the substation we're replacing all of them because
they're within 15% or so of the operational uses so we're ordering all Breakers right now and this will be the 30 plus weeks before they all come in I mean again I just want to make sure that like if there's something else that you guys see that's going to fail in the future come to us I mean looking at 33
weeks that's a concern to me is that you let's get as many of these fixed or anticipated as we can get done I'm very um fiscally conservative as you guys have figured out over the years but at the same time just to add to that I don't want to see three years ago the
lead time on these was approximately two months so that just shows you where we're dealing with post pandemic and those materials and Supply chains so that's why we're acting now to repace all no that's why it was like if you guys need more let us know I'd rather
have the system I've and running for those watching at home that was Alan Pam director Beaches Energy Mr Wagner I'm sorry Mr Janson oh um Myers control Power did did they put
the breakers in to begin with uh no control Power Corporation was the original manufacturer the company has been bought out and now it's currently Myers control Power same company any different name yeah okay and
um so they have done work for us prior so we know they their work product so to speak um and I guess that's why they're sole source and nobody else makes these Breakers except for them uh that's correct there can be retrofit options that are available but it's at a much
higher cost and longer lead time it requires a you can either replace the breaker like we're going to do and you just slide and plug in this one plugs right in um or you can buy the entire enclosure which is the entire cabinet structure and everything buses all that
for a much higher cost okay so thank you Mr ragner okay so I'm sure it's just me being confused so there's if I followed the conversation there's a sum total of 51 Breakers was that correct
did I hear that correct yeah so the 51 Breakers are throughout the whole system okay and then there was a comment that said all of them are end of life and we're ordering 11 so is there a game plan that you can share with us at some point for the other 40 or did I misunder
am I tying things together that shouldn't be tied together might have been confusing on my end but uh basically we have five substations the two on the North End have had the most failures um four of which have a very similar Breakers setup
and type uh the fifth substation being pinman substation is a very unique substation is metal clad switch gear uh which looks like that and there's only a very specific breaker that plugs right in you can replace the whole thing U enclosure everything at a much higher
price longer lead sign a lot more engineering but this is just to replace the ones that Penman substation specifically that that are failing okay so then if you'll help me with my understanding again I'm sure it's me the comment can you kind of do the interplay
between the comment of is it all 51 or at end of life were just the two substations we're talking about because I just specifically pinman substation uh Jacksonville Beach was another one that we've identified and put in the CIP budget for this year and that's going to take place in this summer and we're
proactively doing this one at pment substation okay so the other the other three substations all of those aren't at in life good to go okay so just to speak on Alan P director of beach energy we do have those other other substation breaker Replacements in the five years
where needed and then further on we'll be planning after the five years so yeah I figured it was me and my understanding that's what I was asking Miss goldon so to follow up on Mr Wagner's questions because I was I was wondering
the same thing as well since we're getting 11 will those are those 11 totally designated for replacement or do we are the are we getting any extras so to speak in case
anything I mean I know they're expensive right so I'm sure we're probably not getting extras but what happens if we have some failures that we weren't expecting before we get these circuit breakers what do we do so for some of
the other configurations with our substages we do have a few spares however in the past it's really not something we've done carry a whole bunch of spares on site but we do have some for those other substances but are we I mean I hate to ask this question but
do we have in the event because this is a long lead time that we had some failures that we weren't expecting are we going to be okay based on every our analysis so far we should be fine yeah we've looked into this very deeply we're
pretty confident so okay but like I said you know something can happen that we don't expect we don't for that we will keep the a few of the lesser count Breakers that have not had as many operations because pend and substation again being very unique and because
we're ordering like for like replacement through Meyers we would be able to probably you reutilize one of these Breakers in the event of a failure okay okay thank you Mr Jansen so you you said that there was a significant cost increase between
um just doing a replacement versus a complete overhaul yes um is there a op obsolesence factor in these other words are we going to end up having to do that anyways in 10 years because this
technology is not going to be supported or is this something I mean I'd hate to throw money away now versus all right let's bite the bullet and get something better if there's a planned obsolescence in this system well well there's always a risk
of obsolescence uh but the breakers that we ordered have a 30 to 40 year life expens to see it good answer you good good use of the word obsolescence gold star uh any other
questions okay we had a motion in a second on this one right Madam clerk roll call council member Wagner yes council member wers yes council member Golding yes Council m horn yes council
member Johnson yes council member Sutton yes mayor Hoffman yes motion carries uh item two I move that we declare Myers controlled power LLC Soul Source provider second we have a motion
and a second any discussion Madam clerk roll call council member wers yes council member Golding yes council member horn yes council member Janson yes council member Sutton yes council member Wagner yes mayor Hoffman yes
motion carries thank you Mr Johnson and Mr putam for the backup there um moving on to ordinance a this is uh the Land Development code and unfortunately director Ireland has been called away and um will not be able to join us this
evening but we have Mr pooi who will be giving us a staff update a got most me anyway uh good evening Christian boli uh senior planner Planning and Development um I'm not going to do a big song and dance because you guys have heard this
over and over but um just to touch on uh the basics uh this process has been going on since April of 2022 so we've been at this a while I think we've uh gotten to the point of a pretty good um draft code
um we did have the meeting on uh 20th of last month um there were a number of recommendations or concerns that came out of that as well as the ones that we had heard from you guys and the Planning Commission so I'm just going to kind of go through our current recommendations on those
issues um the first one which came from the Planning Commission uh which was to remove term limits for the boards we did that prior to the uh February 20th meeting um obviously their second recommendation to defer you guys did and
we had our meeting on the 20th um the question of changeable digital message signs uh we have changed that back to 24 hours and if you guys have a alternate time you want to suggest we're happy to entertain whatever you guys
like um we did get some comments on uh accessory dwelling units uh at this time staff isn't recommending anything different than what's in the current draft um the same thing would go for the residential um lots and setbacks um lot
coverage and setbacks um we've we're pretty confident with what's in there will work well for the community um other than that uh I'm happy to answer any questions or you know I I went through a lot of uh comments with some of you guys individually and tried
to capture all that so I know there are some things they probably want to discuss and I'm here to answer questions thank you Mr papoi U Madam clerk will you read the ordinance by title an ordinance of the city of Jacksonville Beach Florida repealing and replacing
chapter 34 Land Development code of the city's code of ordinances in its entirety providing for legislative findings repeal of conflicting ordinances separability scrier errors codification and an effective date thank you madam clerk this
ordinance for the amendment of The Land Development code is before the council for a public hearing and consideration on its first reading under the laws of the State of Florida an ordinance which changes the actual list of permitted conditional or prohibited uses within a zoning category or which otherwise changes the text of the Land Development
code as a quasi legislative proceeding a quasi legislative proceeding means that a governing body is acting in its rul making capacity it is the duty of the council to arrive at sound decisions regarding the use of property within the city this includes receiving citizen input regarding the proposed uses within
a zoning category the application has been reviewed by staff and the Planning Commission for consistency with other portions of the Land Development code and the comprehensive plan the council may hear from all interested parties in the legislative determination of an amendment to the text of the Land
Development code the council's decision on a text amendment is based on the criteria set forth in section 34-21 of the Land Development code each member of the council has been provided a copy of the criteria I will now open the public hearing on ordinance number 2025 80
8220 um we already heard from staff kimley horn Representatives do you have anything to add at this point and thank you for being here um and with us through this whole process we will um start with the uh public comment cards we have a few uh and I'll start with
Casey brwn come on up you know the drill Casey Brun 804 13th Avenue North Jack Beach okay I have a couple primary concerns that I prevented presented before and still see as potential issues to our beautiful neighborhoods the first
is strength of wording the city's trying to be fair to homeowners but being flexible to them opens doors to developers and their lawyers coming in and nailing you to the wall overusing these same variances my second concern is the
multiple ways that codes can end up changing neighborhood it's important to understand that anything that is put into our development package can be implemented in different directions section 34604 is a section that applies to this
concern my initial thoughts were that this could be better controlled if variances were restricted to homeowners living in their home with a homestead exemption I was informed that this process would almost certainly violate the equal protection Clause of the US
Constitution this provision requires that all persons similarly situated should be treated alike if this is true would removing the homestead exemption portion of this clause and just requiring the applicant
to live in the property change this if this is not workable could we limit requests to one variance at a time with the limit of one per year this would help hold back radical Chang to our neighborhoods while still allowing
homeowners to upgrade their properties another possible help in maintaining the neighborhood character is when considering administrative approval of a modification to a front of yard setback on a residential property
if there is an established prevailing setback along the immediate block is to review the Landscaping on the properties in that area and require match in these to avoid the Stark naked home fronts that we're
seeing more and more okay um another thing that I saw that I would like to add is that newspapers are considered the main source of uh communicating with the public but our Beach's leader recently
closed and we've also upgraded our communication with citizens through a newsletter that's pretty good and I wonder if this could be put into the uh format to use as communication with the citizens and the last thing is
intersections where they want to reduce the line joining points along the right of way from 20 feet to 15 feet and then the CBD uh to 10 feet from five 15 feet and I think that due to the dangerous
prevalence of electric bikes that pop up out of nowhere that we probably shouldn't do this anyway thank you for the time thank you Mr Braun uh John Tipton I used to be able to just jump up taking a little taking a little longer
these days John Tipton I reside at 5036 Street North I've lived at Jacksonville Beach for 70 years just I watched it go through from a naval Seaport Liberty town uh I lived in the blighted
area and I was here when we had to start giving away Street ends so we could get anybody to invest a dime in Jacksonville Beach uh a little different from what it is today uh I think what we've got in this U
new version is fine it has some errors still in it and I understand we're going to change have the ability to change it uh yearly if we necessary uh there are a couple of things uh in all any y'all who served on either the board of adjustment
or any of the other boards have seen me up here uh fighting against overdevelopment for over 30 years I'm a little worried that six months from now I'm gonna be back well I'm sorry not six months but when the
new LDC takes V and I'm going to be back up here fighting against somebody that wants 52% or 54% I certainly hope that's not going to happen the other thing I'd like to see is if we're going to make all of these new requirements the one
thing we do not have is a Code Enforcement person or or group that have teeth um as you have probably know if you drive up and down Fourth Avenue on the weekends there are cars parked all
over front yards all over those sidewalks and if you open these sidewalks up and make it part of a urban trail I'm not sure how you're going to keep all of these cars off this urban trail quite often in my neighborhood
there are seven and eight cars parked in front of these houses these are you know the the airbnbs so if we're going to do this let's put some teeth in the code enforcement group have somebody working on the weekends because that's when it's
going to happen have somebody Cod on the weekends and have them come down make whatever they have to do whether it's recommendations or giving out tickets or whatever they have to do to make this thing stick other than that like I said there's a few other eras in
it that I'd like to see corrected but we got to get this thing done because we can't live under the one that's 40 years old thank you very much thank you Mr Tipton Terry Delo hello um my name is Terry Delo 405 32nd Avenue South Jacksonville Beach
Florida 32250 honorable mayor City Council Members um as I've mentioned before I've served with Mr Sutton and uh some other people 23 years on the Planning Commission I also served on the board of ad on the board with Bill Brenton Scenic
Jacksonville and of course digital signs were his um were his Forte he was he was probably one of the Premier attorneys in the country fighting billboards signage Etc um I just did an AI search um
digital Billboards especially those frequently changing content can capture driver's attentions more than traditional static signs increase attention particularly during transitions between advertisements may lead to driver to sttion glare invisibility issues bright electronic meas message signs can cause glare
potentially overwhelming driver's perception of critical regulatory warning and guide signage um Reg research found that drivers often look at these signs for more than two seconds a duration associated with increased
crash uh risk research analyzing crash data near digital signs and billboards in Florida and Alabama revealed significantly higher crash rates 25% in Florida and
29% in Alabama at sites near digital signs and billboard Billboards compared to areas without them um study in 2018 examine the effects of LED Billboards luminum size and location on drivers that concluded that high luminance
levels especially at night could cause glare potentially impairing drivers visual performance and creasing risk of accidents particularly with those High brightness frequent content changes or certain flicker characteristics can
distract drivers and impair visibility therefore posing safety risk as such it is crucial for city planners and policy makers to carefully consider these factors when evaluating regul
regulations related to electronic signs and the frequency of content changes I could go on without that was just a simple AI search um but if you think about it I mean driving up here today
um excuse me I'm I'm texting and there's a sign and then I look around that's all it takes to get to have an accident that's all it takes and we all know that people are texting a lot more than they ever have um we've got to be the adults
in the room because the generation that's coming up are being seduced by the ability to text and then we're talk then we're going then we're trying to ex ract them again with digital signs
you've seen my pictures there that is stop that um that um that is a possibility it doesn't take many digital signs in a row and again if you reduce the the the signage frequency the
changing it it it it flies in the face of common sense to think that CH signs changing less than 24 hours will be easier to control than signs that change 24 hours
and just that that doesn't make common sense a sign that changes every 24 hours will be easier to control than signs change and again they're not all going to change at the same time so they're
going to change at different times and I'll wrap it up here we are growing you want that growth but you want it to berser ve what really is Jacksonville Beach we can all agree flashing signs do not Elevate the experience of being at
the beach we can find that in Orange Park on Blanding Boulevard and across the ditch in Jacksonville thank you so much I appreciate it thanks for all your work thank you Mr do Brian Blanchard Brian Blanchard 1224 First Street South
Jacksonville Beach thank you city council mayor very nice to be here and uh express my uh thoughts on this issue um I just wanted to give three quick perspectives on new
Land Development code 20 22882 um when asked asking someone who's leaving Jack Beech if they care or want city council to have their or their
neighbors or their own property to have no front yard or no backyard or their neighbors right next to them they probably wouldn't care they probably would think whatever gets me the most money and then when you conversate with people that do want to live here
continue to live here raise their families here they would overwhelmingly say no do you want the house next to you to be right now in front of you do you want all the houses in your neighborhood to have no front
yard no backyard or very little and then the third perspective I wanted to share is I've Been In This Very Room when people come in with their family and
friends and want of various variances on on their property their building and they asked for all kinds of variances they promised to live here and raise their families here and as soon as the building is completed there's a big
for sale sign and it's really aggravating to people that were trying to prevent that from happening and and it does happen and I've witnessed it I'm sure you have too um overall I just want you to somehow confid consider all three
of these um issues when looking at the building code and enforcement and so forth thank you thank you Mr Blanchard Fernando Mesa good evening everyone uh 1621 6 after North I still got to remember that
new address um first of all I won't be here the next reading so I'm here today but I do want to begin by thanking Mike SA is Karen obviously you know mayor this has been a long awaited update on our Land Development code it has been an
ongoing battle finally 30 4 years later it's getting done so it's thanks for uh agreeing and doing this also I want to thank uh former council member Jette deont Cory Nichols Chad Stokes everyone on Council that has worked on this given
input uh this is an important document um so it's not perfect but I do believe this is a better document than the one we have right now I think it'll help the planning department it'll help the growth here in Jacksonville Beach uh if
this document was up would would have been updated years ago I think some of the controversies we've had here would have not been possible so I'm glad this is getting done um I know council member
Dan Jansen brought it up at the workshop how this document is a breathing document um if you guys on the D can elaborate to the residents not just tonight but maybe on the last reading that this is a breathing document that
it will change if there's some sort of glitch um I think that it is great for the residents many residents probably believe that this is a done deal which it is but it the document can change um so I think
explaining that to the residents would be great um I know the mayor has been here since 2012 and has seen some very uh difficult challenges uh but also updating the Land Development code is not as easy as changing a letter and uh
when you're type in a letter to someone uh this has to go through the state so if you guys can explain that to the residents that some of the changes that I even wanted or saw Heather had to explain to me that this can bring some
legal consequences so This Land Development code has to be in the same guidelines with the state so if you guys can explain that to the residents so they don't think that you guys are ignoring their their their ass for some
of the the changes that are not possible because the state tells you you guys can do it um how much time do I have 23 seconds and then one last thing I know you guys are going to Tallahassee to advocate for us uh it's greatly
appreciated that everyone's going um if you guys I know you brought that uh the Senate bill I think it's imperative you guys speak on behalf of us and against that bill I think it's going to be a detriment if it continues to move on
forward uh we need to protect not just Jackson Beach but everyone here so uh thank you guys for everything and uh good luck thank you Mr Mesa Matt beers can't wait to hear how this is actually
pronounced you were close it's Matt beersy oh is that a d be that's on you all right thank you Mr beersy 726 9th Avenue North here in Jacksonville Beach um I am requesting and delay on the ordinance uh vote I I believe that it's
uh it's irresponsible to vote this quickly on what we just saw for one month on its final version The Devil is in the details um I understand that you guys all think this is going to be a living document but look how long it took to process it this far I if next
year I don't see this happening is something that's going to be revised by you guys it's going to take a long argument again on this so of the items that were raised um in the workshop on the 20th uh I see none of it even being addressed in what was just addressed
today um items that you guys are asking us I love Kim Horn they're an engineer that works for on projects that I've got throughout the state um but in nature they are civil engineers and I'm the
person that has to take it from ground and bring it up and you guys are asking me on certain limitations like the driveway with the the footprint of the building as a ratio on that for coverage these items do not relate and you're asking me to do apples to the ratio of
oranges and make bananas on this at the end of the day uh it's it's not easier for us to create a final product for a client at the end of the day and it becomes more difficult um this is not a standard I designed throughout the entire country this is not a standard
anywhere else that I have run into and this was an item that wasn't kimley horn I believe it was the city that defined it at the end of the day and unfortunately it's something that's too custom that doesn't work you can't create something B um at the end day I
just think we should extend this further have additional workshops on this where we can actually go into this true verbage on this um stupid little things like I believe I saw the first complaints on signage um I know there's a sign down at the end down towards the
um south end of town that that is so bright at night that it actually blinds me um and I'd like to consider I'm a little bit younger right so it's still bothering my eyes while I'm driving down the street uh Lumen output should be a restriction both daytime and nighttime
included in on signage if you do allow for digital signs to Contin or not um but certain little things like that should be incorporated and nothing has been included or addressed based off of the 20th meeting that I
saw that's pretty much all I've got thanks thank you Mr beersy Kathleen Lewis Kathleen Lewis 24 31st Avenue South Jacksonville Beach the there was an error on the board that at the workshop for the
setbacks and we tried to look them up today to to be sure that they were corrected and we could not find that and so I just want to be assured that as you're reading through this you double check and it had to do with the um 2530
and then the side setbacks they had it written as five which it wasn't supposed to be so I'm just here to remind everybody to check that and I also want to say I don't think we need any more votes this kind of gets to something that psychologists call mental
masturbation we've been doing it enough so we need to move forward and the only people that are really really really against it are the people that have self-serving business is involved thank you thank you Miss
Lewis um that is it for speaker cards is there anyone else that would like to speak in favor of or against this ordinance seeing none the public hearing is closed can I have a motion I move that we approve ordinance number 202 202-828-8303
Land Development code on of the city code of ordinances and schedule second reading for March 17 2025 second before opening the floor for discussion or questions by the council please be reminded that our decision will be based on the criteria set forth in the Land Development code staff's
report the recommendation of Planning Commission and the public input at all hearings um discussion from Council Mr Jansen yeah sort of sounding like the um Echo chamber I'm going to kind of repeat what I did say at the workshop um it has
been 34 years and it was a static document up to that up to this time and there has been two years of work uh put into this land liment code um if we're going to sit and wait for the perfect document to come across the dis before
we approve it it'll never get done so uh another factor that we have to consider is when we're looking at the bills that are filed at the state level when we look at the Adu bill Senate Bill uh 184 or um and quite frankly a lot of them um
we Face preemption by the state if we don't ratify our own land liment code and put it and bring it up to speed um like Mr Tipton I've been here grew up here 51 years ago when the numbered Avenues were paved and the numbered streets were dirt and so we've come a
long way since that time but now it's time to have the living breathing document of Our Land Land Development code that we can review annually and I'm not saying that we will have changes every year but at least we have that opportunity to make a change if one is
needed and we can Rectify or remedy any issues that we have because there's always unintended consequences when you're when you're doing a complete overhaul of a document such as this that's it for me thank you Mr Jansen the
Golding thank you um to follow up on what Mr Jansen said um I do want add it has been 34 years but there have been changes made over those 34 years I think what's really an issue here is that that we really need to update the code to get
it up to today's standard so to speak or you know I think over the years with the changes that were made it's like anything it gets cloy it gets patchy and so things
are not as cohesive or um not not necessarily uh where it needs to be so I don't want anybody to think that the code hasn't been touched for 34 years because it has and but that's part of the problem is that we've got to get the
code in a better place and so that's the purpose of what we're doing here tonight um I do want to uh recognize what the the concerns that Mr Doo has about signs uh digital message signs I just got back
from Palm Springs California i' never been there before and wow what an amazing community that is and they did not have any digital message signs there at all um and you know what their businesses were like thriving and and
doing really well so I think you know it's um I I'm glad that we've pulled that out of the code for now if we need to discuss it we need to have a more robust discussion about that um I also share Mr
Tipton's concerns about what's to keep people from now saying well now we wanted now we want 52% lot coverage or 54% lot coverage um and I I guess I don't know can somebody maybe respond to
that concern um what we how we feel we you know what we may see in the way of requests over 50% uh sure um I think kind of the critical point that relates to all these
issues is that um prior to the changes we've made to this code related to things like lot coverage lot size density not density but setbacks and things like that um a great majority of the Lots in this city were considered substandard because they didn't meet the
minimum requirements for that zoning District uh after a lot of um review we've uh tried to adjust those sizes to match what's actually on the ground so step one we've eliminated the question of whether most of these Lots even have
a hardship anyone's welcome to ask for a variance but staff stance would be there's no reason to approve this we've also gone through and clarified um the criteria for variants and made it very explicit that this this is something you want to do that is ultimately a
self-imposed hardship unless there's a literal uh deficiency with the lot maybe it's in shape maybe it's in size or some historic structure or older structure that's not conforming there has to be an actual reason why you need relief um I think that over the years that hasn't
been the case but we're going to do a lot of training with the board and like I said From staff's perspective the recommendation is going to be no unless there's some extraneous circumstance certainly people will ask for more our answer would be no well I I I do appreciate your point and I
appreciate all the work that's been done to analyze the lots that we have here in Jax Beach and try to make our code match what we have you know in in the lots and I think um that's I hope that that's
going to make a big difference with regard to these variances that we've been getting um also the Miss Lewis who asked about the error that was pointed out in the workshop with regard to the setbacks can you can you talk to that
Christian has that been fixed yeah um part of that confusion was me because I had an older version older draft of the code we were having that meeting um but yeah so under um rs2 and RS3 residential single family has a combined setback of
15 feet for the sidey yards with one being no less than five which is what's in the code currently we've just carried that forward I don't think so we're getting better but we're not that good so and then the gentleman's concerns about the lumens um I totally
agree because I've seen that sign and it is it is definitely a blinding sign do we have anything I don't remember seeing anything in the code that has anything to do with the lumens of the signs the digital signs that are permitted and
then and if we were to have that how is that enforced and regulated um I think our language currently is pretty Broad and talks about flashing or distracting or blinding I don't think it has a specific movement standard but let me just double
check real quick if you can't pull that up easily um since this since the change has been taken out I I would suggest and I agree with you if this is something we're going to discuss we need to do a deeper dive and focus on it specific because that particular sign is is quite
offensive to the eye as you drive by um and probably dangerous so I think we can do I'm I personally think 30 seconds is very aggressive 24 hours is too long there's a lot of time in between there that we could um discuss as a council
and a community but but the brightness and the safety factor is something we need to do that I think altogether a little more holistically kind of what we did with the charter perhaps we have a parking lot where we put some things like um
like vacation rentals that's another one because I I do like some of the changes that were made but I don't think that as a council we've had a good opportunity to talk about things that we can do things that
other communities are doing um that sort of thing so that's another one I'm fine with where it is right now and with the changes that we're made but I do believe we have some opportunities for additional improvements so um yeah I and I will say
that I do appreciate all the work that's gone into this particularly um all the time that Heather and Christian has taken with me to answer questions and go over a lot of the the questions that I had um
so and I also do appreciate you listen in to um the community as far as like some of the changes that were made as a result of some of the comments and the workshop so and appreciate holding the workshop because I think that was a very
important piece of this process thank you I do like the idea of a parking lot if there's a spare whiteboard in the planning department yeah actually we've got kind of a running list of what's like we can do now what we can do later Mr
horn um yeah I say thank you everybody for being here um and in reference to what council woman Golding just mentioned about short-term vacation rentals yeah you know I'm happy with some of the things that we as a city have done we're actually doing a lot
more than a lot of areas do but that is such a fluid type of a thing that yeah it's going to take a lot of work down the road um it's and we're going to continue to see issues with that regardless of how we make this Land Development code um one thing I I want
to ask and this is maybe more towards David um procedurally we vote tonight and then tomorrow Landmark Harvard study comes out regarding uh lot coverage and driveway size and uh you know signage
lumens and so we want to change that in between now and the next reading how does that work if there's something that comes up in between now and the next reading what is the process is there a process or is this how does that work so you all would still be able to
make make changes the legal standard is relates to the title of the ordinance the law said says it has to be read at two different meetings the title's very general not specific in this case so legally you're fine um common sense and best practices
is to you know broadcast in the event something like that happens get it out to the public that hey this big change came down we're we're going to be looking you know at completely new stuff that wasn't contemplated a few weeks ago you know highly unlikely that happens
but we'd still be fine and we should just be as proactive as possible and get the word out okay I just didn't know the procedure thank you Mr suton uh thanks to kimley Horn for sure and to Heather and Christian and any other staff that were involved in this
and um I think the the uh LDC as it's been amended here and presented is uh just a vast improvement over um what we've had and
and been having to apply in all of these variances and um you know planning uh applications and everything um that Terry and myself and David do and people all the way back for
the last 17 or 20 years that I can remember have been having to deal with this um really outdated document that's been to to miss golding's Point amended and patchworked together um forever it
seems like and so it's it's frustrating for the um boards and um and I agree with what Christian says and the issue you brought up Miss Golding as as far as um because that is a concern on lot coverage and
you know we're just going to keep raising the bar and what comes next but I think it's imperative to put on you know staff and the board of adjustment that you know what we used to do is not the norm anymore and um now that we've
updated the code and then the combination of modifying the minimum lot size I think will for the most part take care of that there's always going to be you know be a few exceptions but um the um I think the code as it is been presented is a great
Improvement thank you Mr suton Mr ply just a process question and I'm asking this on behalf of two little boys in the South End who are hoping for a swimming pool by the summer this passes today sounds like it will passes again on the 17th I know we have a moratorium on variance
applications right now what what's the timeline from there you think that we can kind of get back in business um well if you guys pass this on the 17th um I assume there's some period of time before it goes into effect I'm not really sure David might be able to
answer that better but in essence if it's a pool and pool decking that falls within that 15% it would just be a building permit that we would review so in essence they could start you know or four days later yeah they could put in their building permit application on the
18th and that would go through its noral process the only um you know caveat to that might be the um if there's some reason why they might need a Varian for you know but honestly they could put the pool in right now and just wait on the decking if that was an option too
because those take a few months um because we don't count the pool as lock coverage but yeah they should be able to do that pretty quickly once this passes I think that's the key there though is if they need a variance if that I think would get protracted out if I recall the um
moratorium thing I believe that the reason it's being held up is that with the new code they wouldn't need a variant so I don't want to speak on behalf of that's part of their dad is here so I wanted to go ahead and ask on on their totally fair um but also to um councilman s in this point um we need to
train these boards on the new code so that's part of the delay as well because we don't want them kind of doing what they've always done with a code that doesn't make sense Mr Wagner so I think we can uh probably deem this work somewhat successful because nobody likes the
outcome and I think they say that is the definition of good work completed so um so so I I take some resolve in that that that nobody got all of their own wishes um and and to kind of uh kind of
reconfirm what was said um like personally I guarantee we will be looking at this once a year there are things I want to look at um and so um there are things that and I know that you know if we're doing our jobs we're listening to our community there's
things out there that are still um in in a state of limbo for folks so I don't think we could not look at it if we wanted to so I'm very very confident um one of the things that um I do I do think we need to to
formalize prior to voting is a timeline on when the moratoriums down when people are trained um I do think it's it's very appropriate for us to set factual expectations with our residents on what happens next so I do ask um City staff
to make sure that on the 18th that is documented and and we can talk through that at a at a very specific level um and then lastly uh again I'll tell you this been a great process uh for Community involvement the number of people that have been here understanding
all the the the different items that are important to people the the research folks have done uh so I really want to just thank all of you um all of you on line L I know there's hundreds out there listening because this is much CTV but um really do want to appreciate it and
and then to City staff and our business partners thank you so much thank you Mr Wagner Mr wers thank you mayor and welcome back um first of all uh counselor David
is this a legislative matter yes or no this is legislative it is not quasa judicial thank you David um I think there's a lot of good in this new LDC but I think it can be
improved and um I have several concerns regarding the new LDC namely the reduced side front and rear set backs bearing it in mind that the new structures built under these rules will be in our community long after we are all gone I
ask your patience while I express my concerns for your consideration let me ask this is Honorable Das a question would you like it if the distance between you and the chair or chairs next to you was cut in
half not so long ago our citizens overwhelmingly voted against the height Amendment and I believe that if the side setbacks in ront and rear expansions in RS3 rm1 and rm2 were put to a vote they would be rejected by a similar
result firstly the the current residents in the affected areas have had the protection of 10 feet side setback since they moved in or built unlike short-term rentals this is a change we can protect them from also having walls 5 feet from your property
line with the EES and gutters extending another three feet causes storm water to blow and splash on the adjacent property settling against society and causing rot it also creates drainage and flooding issues and wind tunnels that increase storm winds causing problems as the Apex
of a roof can be 40 feet tall given the way the 35 height amendment is applied new structures block out sunlight and Sky they stick out like a sore thumb and they do not fit with the character of the neighborhood as required by the comp plan additionally having aligned windows
with a view of each other's rooms causes a significant loss of privacy in addition there's no room for kids animals or people to play diminishes our small town community feel most folks are against buildings right on top of each
other uh plus as an aside during the year or two it takes to build these uh new structures with a scaffolding being right to the property line adjacent properties are bombarded with all types of construction debris the front and rear setbacks I leave for another
day as stated this is a legislative matter matter I respectfully suggest that the most of the residents are against these changes the comp plan's first chapter first sentence reads FL uh future land use Vision
flu1 ensure that the character density intensity and location of all land uses provides a system for sustainable smart growth and the Redevelopment that enhances the quality of life and safety for all residents of Jack
beach in my view these changes are contrary to the comp plan are not smart growth reduce the quality of life increase density and fundamentally changes the character of our neighborhoods therefore I make a motion to amend ordinance 2025
8280 in that the pr uh the proposed new reductions in the side setbacks found in article 6 chapter 34 section 613 RS3 as it pertains to tow houses section 6 14 rm1 as it pertains to single family and
Tow houses in Section 615 rm2 as it pertains to all uses to strike the five- foot setbacks and retain the 10- foot side setback protections found in the current code thank you so very much for your patience and I yield the four to this honorable
Das we have a motion to amend is there a second seeing no second motion to amend fails any other comments from the council Mr Mr wer is your light is still on oh I'm so sorry Miss Golding I I just want clarification
so Christian is the RS3 rm1 and rm2 those were those side setbacks were reduced from the current code is that correct that is correct um reduced from 10 foot depending on the use um so
predominantly the issue would be Town Homes um they were reduced from 10 on the outside of the group of buildings to five um but that was in a response to trying to be able to provide additional parking on each lot we've made the
minimum lot requirements bigger for all the units and requiring a two-car driveway if you've got a 25 foot wide lot with a 10-ft setback you've got a 15 foot wide house one car garage and likely not a driveway that's going to fit extra cars particularly um in the
middle units so that was the intent and when we did that for any form of attached housing the single family made sense not to penalize someone for wanting to build one unit by making them have to meet a larger dimensional standard as they could build
two town homes and have more setback relief so we've tried to make that consistent so there's no disincentive to building single family as opposed to multiple units multif family is still 10 ft we haven't changed that because those are individual buildings that have multiple units they're looked at
differently um but yeah in rm2 they have a 5-yard setback as well but again rm2 was our densest residential category and it was a question of parking over space
and I guess I guess perhaps the biggest concern would be properties say single family properties adjacent to these properties that are being built as multif family is
that is that maybe your primary concern Mr Wilders my primary concern is for the people who have lived here their whole lives or forever whatever amount of time I don't think that it is in the
best interest of our community or the people who live here to allow these new buildings to um just overshadow their property it destroys your privacy I mean I I don't want to repeat what I've just
said but I know that people in rs1 and rs2 have not exp uh experienced this but for the people who live in rm2 which is almost 50% of our residents this is a real problem and when it's in your face
every day you might consider other any other comments or questions from Council Madam clerk roll call council member Golding yes council member horn yes council member Johnson yes council
member Sutton yes council member Wagner yes council member wers no mayor Hoffman yes motion carries our second reading will be on St Patrick's Day um thank you Blair and Mark for continuing
to partner with us on this project thank you Christian for representing the planning department uh can I have a motion to adjourn I make a motion to adjourn second second all in favor signify by saying I I I any post