Can you guys hear me? >> Yeah. No one. There it is. >> Down. Little down. >> Check. Check. >> Siblance. All right. It's still six o'clock, so we're on time. Uh, welcome to the May
4th meeting, regular city council meeting. And I'm so glad all of you are here to celebrate uh municipal clerks week. Yay for our city clerks. And most importantly, it's May the 4th, which means it is our city attorney's
birthday. Yay! Happy birthday, Mr. Migot. And we are going to continue to give the best gift of all, which is to not sing to you. So, you're welcome. But happy birthday. That normally gets a bigger laugh. Come on, guys. Where are we? It's a happy day. Okay, we are um
going to begin with the invocation led by Mr. Jansen. and then I'm going to call up members of Troop 63 to deliver the pledge of allegiance. So, please rise for the invocation. >> Let us pray. Good and gracious heavenly father, as I'm lifting up my sisters and
brothers in prayer today, we just ask you that you lead us in spirited conversation to make decisions that guide this city that bring glory to your name. Lord, as we approach the semi-quincentennial of America, the 250th birthday, I just ask you that you
put your blessings across our military as they're fighting abroad. Keep them safe from harm. Deliver freedom to America. Lord, I just ask you to look over our our first responders as they do their day today to keep us safe. We ask you all these blessings in Jesus name.
Amen. Members of Troop 63, if you want to come up here to the podium, come on up. Come. Just right here. Here. Here. We did not rehearse this. If you just want to press the red button, that'll turn the microphone on and just give us
your name and where you go to school. >> All right. >> Hello, I'm Hazel. I go to James Alden Johnson. You're >> welcome. Hello, I'm Lucan Wilman and I go to Fletcher Middle School. >> All right, go Senators.
>> I am John Nuke and I go to Alakani. >> Welcome, John. >> I'm Alistair and I go to Alakani. >> Welcome. >> I'm Giovani. I go to Sable Home. >> Welcome, Giovani. >> I'm Alexandria Brown and I go to Bel Academy.
>> Awesome. Welcome. I'm Zayen Taber and I'm homeschooled. >> Welcome. And what what badge are we working on? >> Um, citizenship and society. >> Citizen Citizenship and Society. That's a tongue twister. All right. Are you ready to deliver the pledge?
>> Everyone, please face the flag. >> Please join me in the pledge of allegiance, Scott and Scout. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, for liberty and justice for all. >> You guys can do the scout if you want to. I bet we have some other scouts in here. Do we have any on the deas? Um, a scout scout. On my honor, I will do my
best to do my duty to guard my country and to obey the scout law to help other people at all times to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight. >> Great job. That's good.
>> Well, thank you for obliging and letting me put you on the spot right there. We will call this meeting to order. Madam clerk, roll call. >> Council member Golding >> here. Council member Horn >> here. >> Council member Jansen here. >> Council member Sutton here.
>> Council member Wagner, >> who is joining us remotely? Yeah, he's on mute. Okay, I know he's here. Uh, Council Member Waters >> here. >> Mayor Hoffman >> here. Moving on to approval of minutes. Item A. >> I move for approve the minutes from the
regular city council meeting held on April 6th, 2026. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Any post? Motion carries. Item B. >> I move we approve the minutes from the city council briefing held on April 13th, 2026.
>> Second. We have a motion and a second. Mr. Wowers. >> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um I I noticed in the minutes that uh a lot of future briefing topics were noted, but not the one that I had requested. So, I hope uh
I know that May uh Mr. City Manager is kind of busy, but I hope we can I can look forward to that in June. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Waters. Any other discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Approval of the agenda.
>> I move we approve the agenda. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries. Council announcements. Miss Golding. >> Thank you, Mayor. I have a couple of
announcements. First of all, I wanted to let everyone know there will be a town hall with our Jacksonville City Council member Rory Diamond this Wednesday night, May 7th, at 700 p.m. at the Beaches Branch Library. This will be a great opportunity to it's open to the
public and it's a great opportunity to come and uh hear what Councilman Rory Diamond will be talking about and also ask him questions and interface with him. And then I'm a little bit uh a
little bit delayed on this, but I wanted to mention that we had National Volunteer Week the end of April and the city of Jack Beach has some amazing volunteers that I really feel like we need to recognize. First of all, we have
our Citizens Police Academy alumni association that works with the Jack Speech Police Department and uh they support projects at the police station. They help within the community and they assist in the offices and they
contributed in 2025 2,454 hours. And then we also have the citizens on patrol which also support the Jack Speech Police Department. They allow our our officers to focus on
higher priority calls and they assist with more routine tasks like handling minor traffic crashes or crash reports. And they maintain uh vehicle tow logs, direct traffic, and they manage simple
found property cases. and they donated uh 1,399 hours in 2025 for a total of 3,853 hours that were donated to our police department. And then that's not all. We
also have the volunteer life saving corps and um we got a briefing from them in our past briefing and um they spent 2,600 hours in training which is a lot when you think about it. And then they
also volunteered 3,695 hours primarily working on the beach for a total of 6,295 hours. So when you put all of those
hours together, um there is a uh a a value that's a national value that's assigned to volunteer hours. And for 2025, that volunteer hour value was $36.14. So when you calculate
how me how much those hours were valued to the city, that's $366,748 worth of volunteer heart and effort and commitment. And I just want to thank all the volunteers,
as I said, the CPAA, the coops, and the volunteer life-saving corps. and um look forward to the amazing things that they're doing in 2026 as well. >> You miss Goldie, Mr. Sutton.
>> Uh thanks, Mayor. I just wanted to take a minute. I don't think we have mentioned this. Um and it didn't just happen, but it happened recently, the passing of Bobby Jolly. And uh Bobby um volunteered his time uh for quite a few
years in Jacksonville Beach on a few of our boards. I know at least the board of adjustment. I can't remember if he was on the planning commission back before me, which would have been a while ago. Um but uh Bobb's uh certainly served the
city of Jacksonville Beach uh well for quite a few years. His service is a week from today, I believe, at St. Paul's at 11 o'clock. So, >> thank you, Mr. Sentin, Mr. Rogers.
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, Mike, are the uh pictures from Seabbze available? I had the pleasure of substituting as a gym teacher at Seabbze today and I got a first look at the chicken coupling
approved and the little ducklings. And um the assistant principal gave me the pleasure of naming three of the ducklings. So I named them Sandy, Chris, and Wags in their honor. But
things are full steam ahead. They've had those there at the school in the classroom. So, I'm really proud of the das for approving this and I think it's going to be the great thing for the kids because these animals uh the gifted kids are going to get to work with them so
they learn to love things and you know serve others and it's a beautiful thing. So, I wanted to share that with you guys because it just all worked out. So, thank you very much. >> Thank you Mr. routers and also for that
honor. I think um nice to share uh any other council announcements. I can't believe no one got to this. I get to say um amazing opening of the beaches weekend. We had um a weekend full of activities and we've got u members of
our parks and wreck team here. a few of the many people who worked really hard to make that whole weekend a big success. From I think silent disco and fishing contest to the sand castle contest out on the beach. Um that was apparently spectacular and then uh it
did not technically rain on our parade, but it rained for a full hour before the parade started. So um luckily everybody was in good spirits and got out there. I think we probably had it felt like the longest parade we've ever had. And I'm not saying that in a bad way. there was just a lot of um a lot of great entrance
and floats and uh participants in the parade. So, thank you to everyone who made that possible and as well as the um inspection at the uh lifeguard station early that morning. So, the beaches are officially open, but as we all know around here, they hardly ever close. So,
we're excited to welcome people out to uh the beach and start their summer off with us. Any other council announcements? and we will move on to courtesy of the floor. For those of you who are attending for the first time, um just so you kind of know how this flows, the um council announcements are, as you
saw, for us to share um things of interest, upcoming meetings, things like that. Um courtesy of the floor is an opportunity for anyone who wants to to come up and speak to the council. Um they receive three minutes and they can come up and talk to us about any issue that they want to. It's typically not a back and forth. It's just an opportunity
for um citizens uh or and you don't even have to be a citizen can come up here uh and be heard by the council. Um before I get to that, um city attorney pointed out, Miss Golding, that you said Wednesday, May 7th, but Wednesday is actually May 6th. So, is it Wednesday,
May 6th or Thursday, May 7th? >> It's Wednesday, May 6th. Sorry, my bad. >> That's what we thought. We just wanted to make sure that was clarified for anybody who might have put that right on their calendar. Um, so we're going to start off with courtesy of the floor. I think everyone who is here has done this
before, but I'll say again, come on up to the podium, give us your name and address, and you will have three minutes to address the council. Victoria Y. I'm not sure. Excuse me. I'm not sure. I think I'll leave these on. I have a detached retina. Victoria Ye, 1575 Marsh
Inlet Court, Jack Speech, and I'm here again to address the happenings and activity at the Discovery School. We continue to have safety issues along uh 15th and shutter all the way up. And
I've noticed that the traffic coming down 15th Street has grown, not just specifically as part of Discovery, but traffic in general is expanding. And just last week, I saw a couple of near
misses at the stop sign. People trying to go around. They're in a hurry. They don't want to wait for the four-way stop to get through it. So, they go around, they get into the other lane, the oncoming lane. And then I also saw the other day trying to come out of our
street that at 3:00 a parent trying to pick up their child was coming down but they all parked on that side of the street and so they just came around did like a four-point turn and to
get parked over there and again they're blocking traffic and again near misses because people are impatient and in a hurry and at that time of day, especially at 3:00 with children out and a lot of additional traffic coming down
that street. And I imagine it's only going to get worse when the land at Adventure Landing is developed and there are people living in those um apartments and condos because people no longer want to go down Third Street. Traffic is bad on Third Street and they don't seem to
want to go down Ninth Street either. So, they've determined they've identified the 15th Street as another alternative to get out down by South Beach. Uh, the other thing I wanted to address is again privacy. Uh, my house unfortunately sits
right behind uh the new building that they built a year and a half ago. And I would invite any one of you at any time to come and see what I live with every day. Mr. Wagner came and I think he was
really surprised at how close that building is to the property line and I don't seven days a week there is activity happening at that school. I cannot comfortably sit out in my deck on my patio and have coffee in the morning,
read a book, have dinner at night because I can never be assured when I will have privacy. There is always lawnmowers going, lawn leaf blowers, maintenance, cleaning, uh after school hours and on weekends. And the third
thing that I would like to address is property values. My property value has absolutely been reduced since that building has been there and all that activity is happening. So again, thank you for your time. I would invite any one of you if you would like to come and
see the neighborhood and you more than welcome to come see it behind my house. >> Thank you, Miss Ye. Cheryl Brasa. >> Hello again. Cheryl Brusca, 538 10th Street North. I've been up here a lot. It feels like
we tried talking to the city attorney. He says there's nothing he can do. He knows of no law that he can use to stop this. We write him a good letter. All the laws right on all the documentation of the discovery school plans. When he writes us back, he could doesn't
refer to the law anymore. Now he's throwing the person that was head the planning department under the bus because they're gone now. And it was her sole thing that did this. and obviously he has no um what would we call authority over her
to change anything so they can't do it. We've talked to the city manager. His response was quite uh interesting to me and he said it in front of a bunch of people so obviously he doesn't care if I repeat it here. He said I'm afraid to
enforce the conditions against Discovery School. They may sue us. I thought, well, how interesting is that? Because the only time that someone has, not the only time, but the only lawsuit I know about is when someone sued the city
because of preferential treatment was being shown by the city to discovery school. So that looks again what's be happening here. They're getting preferential treatment. So we come to the council because the staff is not
going to do anything. And in this form of government where you have a council and you have city manager and a city attorney and they won't do what they're supposed to do for the people of the great city of Jacksonville Beach, then you guys have to stop in and now is the
time. You've been waiting on this. You've been delaying this for months. You shouldn't know who I am. I should have spoke one time and you should have looked in it. You should have made a decision already. These are our constitutional rights. This is this is
where you get to feel good about being a politician. You have to step in and do the right thing. The right thing is we're not going to let bureaucrats mess with the citizens of Jacksonville. And the way that you do that is you say
order them to pause construction, send it to the planning commission, and if it doesn't go with the original plans, then you stop it. you stop it and if you don't stop it
then we have to wonder what is your relationship with discovery school and we don't want to go there we are trusting you to defend the interest of the citizens not the interest of
discovery school they've added 150 students you know how much 150 students make them in one year 3.5 5 million million. So I ask you, please do your constitutional duty.
Protect the citizens from the bureaucrats who don't want to do it. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Brusca. Barbara Black. Hello again. I'm Barbara Black. I live at 1516 Marsh
Inlet Court. And uh for all the scouts that are here, this is a real lesson, I think, in civics. and we're here appealing to our council members who
were voted in by us to please help. You've appointed a planning commission and the planning commission uh I I tried to log in and see minutes and where have
has anything about Discovery School come up? There's nothing in the minutes about it. They cancelled meetings. They cancelled the planning commission on March 9th, April 13th, April 27th, and the upcoming
one May 11th. How are citizens supposed to meet and present their concerns when there's no meeting? So, we have a kind of erosion in public
trust. You know, it's not unusual with the federal government, but in our sweet little city of Jacksonville Beach, I guess I expected better from a small town kind of thing where we're
neighbors. So, I would hope that uh you would take a look at how Discovery School has been bending the rules and seems to be not agreeing to what the planning
commission uh had set forth. They're way outside the bounds. The number of students is almost double. They agreed to 200 students. Now they're at 350,
which means more traffic, more buildings, and they keep expanding. So now they want an athletic field in our backyard. We are surrounded by athletic fields where we are. The city has a huge
one. You can hear the kids. I happen to like hearing the children, but not that close. It's not in my backyard. So, we have systems, we have rules to prevent chaos and keep
the order. I just wish you had the authority. And again, I'm going to echo, please do your jobs. Check with that planning commission. I don't know how Discovery School seems to
be doing whatever the heck it wants to do and there's no stop on it and there's no input from its neighbors. There's a process to be followed and I hope that you would do that. How does it
affect me? the traffic. As Victoria um explained, my sprinkler heads, I constantly have to replace sprinkler heads because people come, they t turn around. I'm on the
corner and as they're trying to get in line for the parking lot, they run over the sprinkler heads a million times. So, it's an ongoing problem which might seem minute but I shouldn't have to deal with it. The other thing the danger
>> Miss Black your time is you can just wrap it up. That's okay. >> Well, I it's dangerous. If a policeman was there, we wouldn't get uh people who are in a big hurry cutting out and around. It's very dangerous. So, I
appreciate your time. I appreciate being able to speak. Yay, America. This is what it's about. Thanks. Thank you, Miss Black. Donnie Brza. >> Good evening, Mayor, council. My name is Donnie Brza. I live at 1511 Marshian
Lake Court, directly adjacent to Discovery School. My son Sander was almost hit by a car in front of the school during aftercare pickup. There was no crossing guard present. Discovery School operates under a conditional use approved by the
planning commission tied to a specific site plan and a set of conditions that govern the operations to keep our residential neighborhood safe. It covers things like crossing guards at every single drop off and pickup. These conditions exist for a reason. public
safety, traffic control, buffering and protecting the sound surrounding neighborhood and property values. What's happening today does not match what was approved. The layout has changed, the use has changed, the intensity has changed, and the development has
expanded areas that were not part were not included in the original approvals. And it's happening right now every day. Dump trucks. Dump trucks bring more and more sand and more and more fill. The land development code is clear. If the
site conditions change, the plan changes, it must go back before the planning commission. That has not happened. We've requested review. It didn't happen. We asked for enforcement. It didn't happen. We submitted complaints. They were closed without
resolution. 1582 shattered which is central to the development plan was acquired four years four years after the planning commission approvals. There's no public record that shows that the variances conditions or
the site plan were conveyed to the new property. We've tried to follow the process. We've gone through the city staff. We've submitted complaints. We've requested records. We've asked for planning commission review. At every step, we've
been ignored, misdirected, or denied. At some point in time, when the administrative process breaks down, the responsibility shifts. Under the land development code, the council has the authority to take action necessary to ensure the code is properly
applied. And the planning commission is the body uh with reviewing and deciding conditional uses like this one. We're asking you to please use your authority to refer this matter back for proper review because if the process isn't followed, then the conditions mean
nothing. And if the conditions mean nothing, then protections for our neighborhood and every single neighborhood in Jacksonville Beach are meaningless. This is not about stopping a school. This is about enforcing what has already
been agreed to, what was already promised to our community. We're asking for three things. Pause construction, initiate planning commission review, enforce the conditions. That's it. That's the process. That's all we're
asking for is to follow the process. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Brusa. We have Daniel Negret and uh Daniel does not wish to speak. Uh it's indicate that you support Discovery School expansion.
Is that Donnie, >> you support Donnie. I will update the card. Thank you for being here. And then the final speaker, Mike Abernathy. >> My name is Mike Abernathy. I live out 1780 Marsh Inlet Court. Um, so as back there, we said the pledge
of allegiance, right? that last line, liberty and justice for all. And it's like really is it really justice for all or is it justice whoever has the biggest pockets? Because as you guys heard, we have pleaded and pleaded. It's like our rights mean nothing when we challenge the Discovery School.
And with that said, the one thing I wanted to mention is how many veterans do we have out here? All right. One thing I learned, you know, I spent a good part of my life in the military and leadership. Doing the right thing isn't always easy. Sometimes it's that path of least resistance that makes the best leader. So you've already
heard the cases for safety and money. Our property values are shot. All we're asking for is who in our council is going to be that leader who steps up. You might take on the chin, who's going to speak up for us, you know, help us do what's right. That's all we're looking for. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Abernathy. That was our final uh courtesy of the floor. Um we do not have a consent agenda today and um now we're going to get on to something exciting. We have our citizen information academy graduation. Um so you see them here
throughout the room. They've uh gone through an intensive course learning all about how uh the city of Jacksonville Beach operates and I just want to thank you all for taking your time to um learn about the city. Um, some of you are employees, uh, citizens, a a range of
people who have been here their entire lives, people that are new to our community. So, we really appreciate you, um, coming out, taking time, um, that you could be doing other things to learn about the city. And I hope that it was a worthwhile experience. Okay, I see some heads nodding. Uh, I haven't seen you
since your the first day, and it seemed like it was going to be a really dynamic group. you guys really um did a great job asking excellent questions of finance. I mean, they really dug in uh with the CFO on some really good questions of all of all the departments. That's not what I expected, but it just
shows me you guys were um ready to pay attention. Um and thank you as well to the city clerk's office who really works hard to put this together and make it a really special program. So, we um cue the uh pomp and circumstance. No, but
no, we need let's pipe that in next year. Um, so I'm gonna come around and we're going to call your name and come up and get the um certificate. Is someone taking pictures? We'll do the grip and grin and then you can go over and get your bag full of wonderful gifts
from some I think local businesses probably Jacksonville Beach businesses. So, um it'll be worth all that time you spent learning about uh fats oils and grease. I see you. Okay. Oh, no. I got an order. Thank you,
though. Um, Brock, ask you Alex Bigale, >> Melissa Harvey, Bridget Jordan Martin Kennel, Zyra Dudson, Robert Nudson, >> Wendy McDonald Dave McCann,
Mabel McQueen. Daniel Mica, >> Dorothy Mullins Ronald Mullins, >> Deb Naples, K. ODM, Carol O'Donn, Barbara Quinn John Shelby,
>> Kurt Skate. No bean walker. And we have four graduates who couldn't make it today. We have Art Graham, Diane Hollstead, Lindseay Hagga, and Kevin Folsam. um
recent graduates, uh we do welcome you to stay for the meeting. We actually don't have a huge agenda and they're in my opinion interesting items um that you can probably all relate to, but uh you don't have to. You might have graduation parties to go to. I get it.
It's It's the season. Um, and I do thank you all for filling out your surveys so that we continue can continue to improve uh every year. Okay, we'll let everybody we'll give everyone a second to
clear the room. Okay, we'll go ahead and get started with uh resolutions. We have Mr. Fatitis, Parks and Rack. Come on up. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Jason Fatitis, Parks and Recreation.
Uh this item we asking council to approve a slight adjustment in some of our rates. Uh this uh rate resolution was last um increased I'm going to say about 3 years ago. Uh the increases are
not significant but not significant in terms of the amount but necessary uh for us to keep up with the times. Uh for the tennis center, we are asking for a slight increase predominantly to cover
the cost of the card processing fees. Uh we'll be able to start charging by credit card uh come June 1st. Uh other rates in our sports leagues, we just simply eliminated the deposits that we
require for our adult softball and flag football. And the other rate uh was for the community center rental where um we're just keeping up in time with the increase in the security fees. If you
approve this tonight, these rates should become effective on June 1st. >> Thank you, Mr. Fatitis. Can we have a motion? I move we adopt resolution number 2208-2026 amending fee schedules for use of city
parks and recreational facilities. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Mr. Wowers. >> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Good evening, director. I was just curious, will this affect the little league kids who plan
their games at all? >> No, not at all. >> Okay. I didn't think so, but I just want to clarify that. Thank you. >> Any other questions? Thank you for keeping an eye on this. I think it's um especially the convention center is still a really good deal or the
community center is still a really really good deal. So hopefully it's utilized quite a bit. Um we know the parks are we we definitely all see it. So um they look great and I'm glad to see so many in our community out there enjoying our our uh recreation spaces.
So no other questions. Please for roll call. >> Council member Golding, >> yes. >> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Wowers, >> yes. >> Mayor Hoffman,
>> yes. Motion carries. Resolution B. So, this item again, minor adjustments to the resolution, mostly to keep up with the cost of the um bronze memorial plaque uh that went up from 450 to 650.
It's basically covering the cost of that and then one or two other just minor things that give us a little bit more control uh in the future. So, that's all I have. >> Thank you. May I have a motion? I move
we adopt resolution number 2214-2026 amending the memorial tree and bench program. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Another great program. So, thank you guys for the work involved in that. Madam clerk, roll call.
>> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Waters, >> yes. >> Council member Golding, >> yes. >> Mayor Hoffman, >> yes. Motion carries. Is um Mr. Wagner
not available to vote or >> We're having connection issues. >> Trying to work through behind the scenes. >> I'm sorry that I brought it to everyone's attention, >> but I don't know at this point is if he hasn't voted can
vote on the next item. >> I can chime in. Yeah. No, >> the minute should will uh indicate that he stepped out of the meeting for anything he didn't vote on because state law still does require him to vote if
he's present. So, uh just like if one of you had to step out of a meeting when you're physically here, the minutes, we'll just have to note not note that he was not here for certain votes and then he's welcome to come back in if he's able to. >> Okay. It does look like I got him back. John, are you there?
>> I am here. >> Nice. Okay. Okay. >> We voted on the two resolutions and are now moving on to the ordinance. >> Welcome back. Okay. We are going to move on to the final item. Um and I will
throw it over to city attorney. Mr. City attorney. Are there any updates since our last meeting? >> No updates since the last meeting. This has been publicly noticed and advertised for its second hearing tonight. I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Will you read
the ordinance by title? An ordinance of the city of Jacksonville Beach, Florida, amending chapter 12, streets, food, and food products by creating section 12-34 establishing a food truck rally pilot
program in the central business district providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances, severability, cotification, and an effective date. >> Thank you. This ordinance is before the council for a public hearing and consideration on its second reading. I will now open the public hearing on
ordinance number 2026-8234. I do not have any comment cards on this item. Would anybody from the audience like to speak in favor of or against this ordinance? Seeing none, I will close the public hearing and request a motion. I move we
adopt ordinance number 2026-8234 in the second reading amending chapter 12 streets food and food products by creating section 12-34 establishing a food truck rally pilot program in the central business district >> second. We have a motion and a second.
Is there any further discussion? Madam uh Miss Golding, >> I I don't know if Mr. Wagner can hear me. Can he hear me? because I have a question for him. >> I can hear you.
>> Okay. Um, in our meeting on April 20th, I believe you said that Duncan was going to follow up with the businesses that had concerns about the food truck rally pilot program. And I just wanted to
follow up because I spoke with Mr. Dhy who is um he's the manager of Lynch's Irish Pub um and he had expressed concerns. He actually said that he never
heard from Duncan. So, I wanted to bring that up as a concern because I I was under the impression that Duncan was going to follow up with the businesses that had expressed concerns to talk with them about the
about the program. >> Yeah, I received a note. He had said he had tried or he had tried to talk to some of the folks just not successful. So we know that
we know what they were. >> Okay. Um that's that that's really my you know my concern again is just the communication with the businesses and and in particular the ones that have
concerns because I was hopeful that uh was I mean do you have anything to report out as far as like any of the other businesses that had concerns >> you know 18 business
that I don't assume I hope that everybody's going to be for everybody and all of that complex and emotional issues. So um you
know I think that's why I know that some time some other business folks within central business district a lot of time and some other folks that talk about how
you make how you activate downtown businesses. So I know some of those type of discussions not really as much issue really make that thing work so it benefits all the businesses. So I I do
know that that's occurred and I've gotten a lot of good feedback from those discussions. But regretfully, you know, we you know, that's part of the downside of getting, you know, lots of people involved that also have day jobs. They uh you know, not always able to pull everything off.
>> Okay. Um, so I just I want to I want to say that, you know, if the if this is approved, I sincerely hope that when we loop back
around to the businesses and the residents to follow up on the program and to get feedback on the program that we make sure that we are talking to these businesses, especially especially the ones that had the concerns because
you know my hope would be that afterwards those businesses say you know everything was fine but if they had concerns and then they still have concerns or have still have issues after the pilot after the first year the pilot program I think we need to know that um
so I just want to I want to make sure that that's noted and um and publicly shared that That's that's what I think we need to do. >> So, Sy, um I'll make a commitment to reach to attempt to reach out to
everybody and make myself available uh the three businesses and if if there's more more businesses, uh to have have a discussion with them, uh make sure that we're connected and uh to make sure that there's a connection with them and whoever's kind of helping to
orchestrate these at least the majority of these events. So, I I I have no problem reaching out to these folks. >> I uh I thought that was going to be handled, you know, certainly and it just it didn't get
pulled over. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Wagner. Mr. Wowers. >> Thank you, Madame Mayor, and thank you, Councilman Golding, for your thoughtful comments. And Mr. Doherty is a good man, and I do appreciate him greatly.
Councilman Wagner, can you hear me? >> Awesome. Listen, so just to clarify my understanding of all this, this will only be occurring once a quarter. Is that true? >> The most that can occur is once a quarter.
>> Okay. So the impact should whatever if there are any negative impacts, it should be quite minimal. >> Correct. >> Okay. recent what the recent data has showed us is in cities where they've done this because of the traffic because
of the limited nature of what the food trucks offer it actually improves traffic to the local businesses it doesn't detract from it but you know we'll have to see what our own experiences and and that to your point counselor that's why it's a a very limited pilot
>> well thank you councilman Wagner and just as a small aside were you able to hear my announcement Was it was it related to chickens? >> Yes, you you had the honor of having a chicken named after you. >> Thank you so much.
>> You're very welcome, friend. Have a good night. >> Thank you, Mr. Waters, Mr. Sutton. >> Wow. I can't top that. Um, I just wanted to say I agree with uh Councilwoman Golding and share the same concerns.
Um, and you know, I wouldn't be in favor of moving forward with this if in fact it were not a pilot. Uh, and we're treating it as such. And I would hope um that members of this council um, you know, and and I'll take Councilman
Wagner's word for it that he will be circling back and I think it's imperative on all of us to continue to seek and listen to that feedback. um and assuming that it's um you know valid and uh you know feedback that that
has some legitimacy to it um that we can act on um hopefully um that we incorporate that into anything going forward uh should should we decide to extend it which is not a guarantee.
>> Thank you Mr. Sutton. Mr. Horn. >> Hey Mayor. Um, again, I've read this, we've discussed it, read it again now that I've got some other things popping through my head. Um, section nine of uh,
section three, pardon. So, yeah, D39 when it talks about the food truck rally hours may be only permitted within the following windows of time. Fridays 5 to 10, Saturdays 12 to 10, and Sundays 12 to 8. But I don't see a specific time period
on this as far as is this that whole Friday to Sunday. What is the when we have the window for this? I I I went back to look through this and I didn't see it. So I'm trying to make sure I understand that and make sure we're not um I just I I was starting to think
about it again. I started processing this but also trying to listen to everybody in the background. So this Oh, there we go. The food truck is a single day event that may occur no more than once per calendar quarter. So I guess so so it would be a single day. So either Friday, Saturday or
Sunday. One of those three. Okay. Now I I saw it again. That that makes sense to me. Um because I thought that's what it was, but I wanted to make sure. And I would think that if we have some of our local businesses who have significant concerns, I would think that if we are
doing this on a single day versus three full days, you know, like a whole weekend, like a festival, like a food truck rally festival as it were. Um the only other in the back of my head that I wanted to ask about. Um, and this is for the city attorney. In section K, uh, of
the last portion there, it talks about expiration January 1st, 2029, unless the city council of the city of Jacksonville Beach amends this by extending the expiration or repealing the section in its entirety. I I'm assuming this is the kill switch that we discussed. >> Yes. And it's it's self-executing. So,
if you all do nothing, this will expire December 31, 2028. But do we have the and we also have the ability to prior to that time say come to come together with council and say okay this is not working we've had complaints we've had problems we're done no more.
>> Yes it's it's being enacted by an ordinance. So it would take an ordinance to do such so public hearings. >> Okay. So okay that's that that's the only other thing I want because so since it's quarterly I wanted to make sure that Okay. So all we need are two meetings basically a month and we Okay. Good. That's I wanted to verify that and I wanted to put it on the record so that
everybody can hear it. Anybody who's at home listening have might have concerns. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Horn, Mr. Wowers. >> Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate uh Councilman Sutton and Councilman Horn's comments and all of y'all for trying to
look out for the people who live here or do business here. And um the scrutiny that we're applying to this food truck uh pilot program, I hope we'll keep our eyes open and aware of the our new program on the boardwalk and give it the same scrutiny. As we know, we have
concerned businesses, Bill and Gary and others who are worried about the impact on their business. And so I understand the the opportunities on the boardwalk will not be quarterly, but be much more frequent. So I'm asking my fellow
council members to have the same spirit while we investigate and see how that plays out. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Wers. Miss Golding. >> Thank you for the followup. In in followup to Mr. Horn's point. Um, I spoke with the city attorney about that
section uh, regarding the hours and it's a little technical maybe nitpicky wording thing that the fact that it says the hours would be within Friday until blah blah blah, Saturday
until blah blah blah, and Sundays until blah blah blah. And because we know it's one day, I really think it should say or. And I think that would be more appropriate. So I would like to make a motion to amend the ordinance to change
section D 3 9 to say or instead of and. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion on the proposed amendment?
Any concerns, Mr. City Attorney? >> None. >> Okay, Madam Clerk, roll call for the amendment. >> Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Wagner, >> yes. >> Council member Wowers, >> yes. >> Council member Golding,
>> yes. >> Council member Horton, >> yes. >> Mayor Hoffman, >> yes. Motion carried or amendment passes. Any other discussion? Mr. Wagner, since I don't have a light for you, do you have anything else to add before we vote?
>> Um, no, just not not as much, just a little bit of just in summary to to kind of re kind of restate what some of the uh some of the other counselors have already brought up. But the one day limit really does is really intended once a quarter to really kind of put
some really strong constraints on this to make sure that we're monitoring it. And then the commitment from at least one of the folks that have said they would step forward and try to organize these is to bring data forward to us so
that we get both the quantitative what what's the real impact number of people some surveying on satisfaction and that type of stuff. and then the qualitative of the different business owners and the impacts and maybe even quantitative from their their respects as well if it's
significant enough to actually improve or detract from their their business. So, I do think that this is a nice balance and to councelor Wilders's uh uh kind of cautions to the council, you know, I do I do think that us being
really careful and deliberate and putting solid constraints on things so that we can test and learn and then move forward either with or without one of these things because we have people in our communities who both support and don't support. And we we should not we
should challenge ourselves to find a proper balance so that we're representing both groups of people and not just one. And so I I think this in my my humble opinion, I think the way this has been crafted, I really do appreciate David's uh all David's
efforts on this because I really do think it strikes that balance and uh and really do appreciate the dialogue that everybody's had on it and the fact that it clearly there's enough difference of opinions that it's that we are striking uh kind of the right chord on this. So I
do appreciate everybody's attention to it. Uh thanks so much. Thank you, Mr. Wagner. See no other lights. Madam clerk, roll call. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Wagner, >> yes. >> Council member Waters, >> yes. >> Council member Golding,
>> yes. >> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Mayor Hoffman, >> yes. Motion carries. Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> I move to adjurnn. >> Second. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. I. >> Any opposed?