We kind we did reference reference a few of those. I do not like sorry. Um and we attached a link. I'm not going to pretend to ask everyone to read what's on that screen because usually I have
pretty good eyes and I can't even read that. >> I had to enlarge. Um but basically we're going to issue the call. Again, the way we've been doing it, our platform that we kind of created with our format inhouse has actually been quite um it's worked really well for us. And so rather
than pay all those subscription fees, we're going to do it inhouse again. Um we are going to follow suit like we did on some of the last murals where we are requiring they give high resolution imagery and conceptuals. Nothing handdrawn would be selected. Um, this was one that we did not limit to just
local because it is such a massive sculpture. So, we would leave that pretty open-ended. Um, and then again kept the general idea pretty broad. You know, embrace the beach life, keep it on brand. We did provide in the calls a little bit of history of the Jacksonville Beach Pier
and kind of how it got to where it is today. Uh, and then we left it up to the artist whether they wanted to have a singular sculpture, two flanking either side or something that was completely arched. And then we also added in there all the requirements for emergency uh, vehicles. And so really this was just to
kind of update everyone. I know this one's kind of been lingering in the back of our minds for a while. And so we are hoping to get this call out uh, ASAP. We're updating the CRA on this on Monday night and then we'll be able to hopefully get this out this fiscal year. Um, yeah, I'm happy to answer any
questions about it. >> Is the uh that project still within this current year's budget? >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> It is. >> That's probably the biggest project for this year. >> Yep.
>> Yeah. And I mean just because you know we'll issue it this fiscal year obviously but I don't anticipate gosh even reviewing because when you're asking for something this large and even as far as mockups go you know this isn't a 30-day turnaround. I mean this is something we will likely
need to open for 60 to 90 days. Um so we're talking we open it in the next couple of weeks. We may not sit down to actually review these until the first of the year just because I know back at the holidays it's always crazy to try and get everyone together. and I was looking at our meeting dates and the way some of them fall is smack in the middle of
Thanksgiving and Christmas season. So, um I will do a better job of looking at the calendar and try and find a specific date, but depending on how we get this issued once we get applicants in and then on these bigger ones, you know, we call all the references, we vet all of their former cities, all the other work
they've done, um it probably realistically would be January before we look at them. So what we would do is probably narrow it down and then once we narrowed it down to several or whatever finalist then they
would be required to do a mockup actual >> maybe. Yeah. I mean I possibly >> I think we would do this a lot like we did the other sculpture where we had I think originally narrowed it down to 10 the first go around and then from 10 I think we went even down to three or five
and then we narrowed it down from there. Um, obviously I think we'll know a little bit more once we issue the call and receive applications. You know, this has never happened, but you never know. If we got three applicants and one was fantastic and everyone loved it and
agreed on it, well, obviously we're not going to narrow anything down at that point. We just know. Um, if we get a hundred like we've done on some other things, then I think there would be several rounds because it's just not reasonable that at a two-hour meeting you can go through that many. I think
what Terry's asking is um making it a requirement >> as part of the criteria this time. >> Yeah. >> That the finalists um you know if it's the top three to get a a better grasp of what
>> is actually >> going to be the final product. >> Yeah. I mean if that if we narrow it down to five or 10 absolutely >> a scaled mockup >> I don't know why can't be asked to produce a scale
>> tap your buttons >> exactly >> can't be asked to reduce the scale just a a diagram to show the scale the actual scale but later on to the last like say three to five maybe they need to produce >> oh yeah so now the scale drawing that's a part of us requiring those higher
quality renderings things. Um, we did not do that with the first sculpture. We have not always done that with murals. This last mural we did, we said, "No, you've got to show it on site at the location." And so, we're doing that with this again. So, the scale part will get in all those first ones. But, yeah, if we narrow it down to 10 and and we want
them to bring a mockup actually to a meeting, then I mean, there's no reason we can't require that. >> So, yeah, that's that's fine. And has the uh has the main CRA board uh solidified I think we had big questions or posed to
them whether we were having across >> so we're just going to roll with it and see what happened. I'm just kidding. Um >> I like I like that. >> You know to be honest there was back and forth and it truly depends whether it's staff board members council whomever whoever you ask the answer is different.
I mean rightfully so. It's personal preference. So rather than limiting it for the call, we are leaving it open to the artist. As long as they fall within the parameters of what is needed for emergency access. So if something obviously wouldn't allow ambulance to access where it needs to, it's obviously a non-starter. It can't do that. Um but
as long as it can provide the dimensions that we need, then we would consider anything. >> Yeah. Great. Okay. We've, you know, I know some artists don't necessarily like when it's an open-ended call, but at least for what we've done thus far, leaving it a little broad, it's worked really well and we've gotten some really
great work. So, we'll do it and till it doesn't work. >> Super excited. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Agreed. >> And the pier parking lot looks great. So, super happy. Yep. >> Everything's good down there. Coming
along nicely. So, any other questions on that one? >> Any other questions on the the >> I'll make this easy. >> Great. >> Okay, moving on to sea life in the city. >> Yes. So, uh we decided after meeting with Jenny Hager with Havoc Studios for
budget reasons and just proximity to the salt air um that fiberglass would be the best option. So, we're not going to do a solid bronze. It's going to be a fiberglass turtle um sculpture and it will be by the lifeguard station.
And it's not okay. So, this on the right is the small scale kind of mockup of that's the one that we had selected with the two turtles kind of swimming in the what is that? Kilk coral. Yeah. Swimming. Uh those colors are not the colors that
they're going to be. We had decided that it was going to all be very bright and vibrant and very colorful. So that is just the colors they happen to put on the little mockup. Um but so this is going to be about $45,000 which was again we kind of compared that across a lot of averages. This uh sculpture will
be somewhere in the realm of 8 to 10 feet tall. And so now at this point, um, this was just kind of showing the final design, updating everyone, and we're going to again remind the CRA on Monday, just because it's been a long time since we've selected this, refresh everyone's
memory, and then once the CRA takes a look at it Monday, we will then enter into a second phase of contract with Havoc Studios to begin work on getting our turtle friends sculpted. And this uh is the first of the sea life
in the city project that will eventually fill hopefully the city and the boardwalk with lots of different sea life sculptures. This was voted on by the public and turtles won by a landslide. Um, and the reason we selected kind of at the beach boulevard street end by the lifeguard station is
one, its proximity to the dunes and where, you know, turtles would be, but also we felt it was a really good place where we could kind of put this and have like a nice plaque that would talk about the program itself. And then if we extend these animals kind of various places down the boardwalk, that's really where the boardwalk starts. So, it
seemed to make sense that that's where this one will go. And then otherwise we'll just continue to coordinate and work with artists and uh keep everyone updated. >> Now was the Thank you. was the decision to move fiberglass again
one how did that come about? Because I thought we had all decided on bronze >> budget. >> Budget. >> Yep. >> Okay. And is the fiberglass going to be strong enough to have a little child climb up that? >> Yes. Yep. and it'll have to withstand
people, hurricanes, wind, rain, elements. Um, I would have loved to been able to go with the solid bronze, but for budgetary reasons, it just >> not possible. >> No. >> Yep. Just asking for >> Yep. We'll um Yeah, we'll have a
maintenance plan. We'll have a maintenance plan in place where we'll >> touch. >> Yep. Um, what are the size renderings of of this particular sculpture? Has that been >> Yeah. So, it's going to width I'm not 100% sure just because it varies, but
the height of it is going to land somewhere between 8 and 10 feet. So, about 9 feet tall if we average that out. It's going to be pretty substantial. >> And so, just jumping on that width more the four to six range
>> probably. Yes. Yeah. Um, Should we have the ability to raise it slightly? >> Yeah, >> I think and I think there will be there's a little bit of a pedestal at the bottom just because of how we want to make sure it's affixed properly into like a concrete and have footers and a
structure there. So, it will be a little bit elevated. I don't think it'll be very much. Um, >> at the UNF um at the UNF sculpture plaza there at 6 South, there are concrete. Yeah, it'll be like that >> that they poured and there's anchor
bolts and all kinds of stuff that >> they secure those with. >> The question is >> if if we have the ability to raise it up higher, >> if we have the ability to raise it up higher, um, do we want to exercise that
by just >> do we want to do that? That would just be the base like this, like you said, making the base maybe 2 feet higher, something like that to make it more impactful. >> Yeah, if that's even a word. >> Yeah. I mean, I think we can definitely talk to the artist a little bit. Um,
bearing in mind we don't want to get it so elevated that, you know, if this thing is sitting at 9t tall, you know, that first turtle is already pretty high. We want it to be something where we're trying to kind of tread lightly on, okay, we want people to stand on it and lean on it and photographs and it's
really cool, but we also don't want it to be a tree to climb on. And then, you know, >> if we put it a little high, like where's that sweet spot? >> So, if this So, if this line are we saying this is about 10T
ceiling, I mean, right here. >> I'm gonna be really honest. I have no idea. a zero perception of height. But probably >> yes, because that door >> if you can touch the rim, you're dunking the ball. You're not dunking the ball. >> Okay. >> You get getting another.
>> So the turtle if the turtle would be past that or would it be >> the top of that? Yeah. One of them Well, the whole thing from bottom to top is about 10 ft tall. >> Yeah. >> So it's above your hand.
Yeah. So, we want people to be encouraged to take pictures and hang out with it and >> whatever. Um, but I it will have some kind of a pedestal underneath it like it does at the sculpture garden. Uh, we can ask how tall exactly and I can let you know and we can kind of figure out what makes
sense. >> Could we do that? And could you do a u a scale? >> Yep. >> A scale, you know, with a person standing next to it or whatever. >> Right. >> An adult and a child or whatever. >> Yep. That's that's simple for them to do.
>> Mhm. >> Super simple on the on the >> Yeah, I will email them tonight. I'll ask them. That shouldn't be an issue at all. So, uh but just honestly really excited to see this. We're kind of happy this is picked back up and is moving along and we can get >> No, it's exciting.
>> Another sculpture. >> Yep. Looks great. It's going to be fun. >> Yeah. And they're great. I'm I'm excited. It's It's really cool working with a local team. >> Fantastic. Okay, other questions? >> Nope. >> All right, >> continue.
>> Moving right along. Okay, so bathrooms. Uh, our most recent mural has gone wonderfully. Um, again, kudos to selecting these artists. Like truly, at this point, we have had nothing but wonderful luck. So, please keep that up.
Makes our job super easy. Uh the other two bathrooms in the downtown district, rather than issuing calls based off of state statute chapter 287, it has a couple of sections that say these are not held to the procurement laws by the
state of Florida. So we're able to just procure certain services, just go straight to that person and public art is one of those. So when we did our local call, we received a ton of great work. Um I went back and looked at how everyone scored including Trey. Um, and
the candidates provided for you guys are the top ones other than the artist who won. So, what you're seeing in here, um, they're not drawn on the other two bathrooms. You know, I didn't want to reach out to these artists and be like, "Hey, can you redo this again?" And then, you know, we've already got their
mockups. We've seen what they're capable of. So, really today, we wanted to get the what we provided, the top two, your favorite ones, and then we will reach out to those two artists and say, "Hey, listen. are you interested? We have these two other restrooms. Do you want to do them? Um, and you know, we'll kind
of look at whatever the two favorite are, which one maybe makes more sense for which bathroom. Um, I think a good example would be like Oceanfront Park, for example, is where the pier used to be. And I know one of the murals had a pier in it. So, like in theory, if something like that were selected, okay, well, maybe it makes sense to put this
pier mural where the pier once was or, you know, something like that. So we can kind of um So this was one of the finalists from the other call. >> Oh, lovely.
>> And we used the rubric with the total of 15. >> Yes, >> that's the one I used. Sorry y'all. There we go. All right. So, this was one. This is
obviously a lot of tribute to surfing, which there's been a lot of that happening out and about today. And then this is kind of the drawn rendering. And then this would be the another side of whichever restroom. Uh again, it
would probably make sense like for this one for example to paint the one if they were selected at Oceanfront Park because the one second a does not it's blocked completely on the back side. So there's no point in painting the back. So because this one had such a strong front and back, it would make sense to go to
the other restroom that has four sides. And there's the other mockup of that. That one was ranked highly. All right, I'm gonna click through. This is Jonathan Lynn. Um because if that's sideways, Yep. then that means the renderings. Okay, so this one, one of
the sides had a massive turtle. I know it is cute because it looks like you're a puzzle. Um and then our seal and like this one having the pier, you know, some lights were selected. Would it make sense to put it at Oceanfront
Park where pier once was? This is John Lan. All right, this is Grace Seymour. Again, another one with a pair in it. Really cool. And then this one also was one that had the Jaguar lounging on the
beach. Uh, and so this was her mockup. It's actually really good how she kind of superimposed it over the existing structure. And there's the Jaguar. That's really cool. >> Uhuh. Okay.
And then um Philip Walker. And so this kind of pays tribute to really old Jack Beach. It's pretty cool. and Sean Bono. He is a
All right, here we go. Yeah, this one was cool because it was like the airplane was pulling the bathroom sign. Um, and like I said, these were the ones that everyone had unanimously ranked somewhere in their top for the last mural. >> Um,
>> okay. So, those were all of the top finalists from the last mural. um are for anybody like does we want to treat this like we've done our other ones and everybody kind of just says their top two thus far and then we can
kind of dive into those or if somehow the top two line up perfectly again we don't dive into anything and we move right along. So and if anybody needs me to scroll back to any specific person or mural just let me >> go school and back to Grace Seymour
again please. Absolutely. >> Right. >> There we go. Right. Thought that was hers. >> Do you want somebody to start? >> Yeah. Go right ahead. >> I had um with my top two were Nicole >> first one. >> Yep.
>> And Grace Seymour. I I felt like uh Nicole was >> Okay, let me go back. There's a lot going on. There's a lot going on in the mural. There are a lot of things that are indicative >> this one >> uh to to Jacksonville Beach, to Florida in general.
>> Um it's kind of it's got a little whimsical >> little whimsical feel to it. It's kind of fun. Um and that's why she was kind of in the in in my top pick. U Grace Seymour was a
similar theme. It just wasn't quite involved. if you wanted something a bit cleaner graphic wise. The um >> yeah, just if you wanted, you know, basically they're a little bit the same
in the sense of the waves and stuff, but >> hers was a little bit more again whimsical. Yeah. >> And it had a bit more Florida >> elements to it and that's why I picked her as my first choice. >> So, Grace was your number one out of the
final two. And Nicole was number two. >> Nicole was number one. >> Oh, sorry. >> Was number one. >> And >> hello. >> Do you want to see these? >> The other two. >> Wait, hold on. You'll like this end.
Hold on. Wait for it. >> I'm not I'm not going to influence this group at all. It is your decision. This is why you're here. [Laughter] Um, okay. Noted, Bob. >> Yes. Um,
I had, um, Nicole and Shawn Bono. >> Okay. >> I had Shawn scoring the highest and Nicole next. um with with so few submissions I was able to take a deeper
dive into um their professionalism >> and their experience. Um Sean Bono has a tremendous uh a tremendous portfolio online.
It's almost a kind of a another example where the submission for the bathroom isn't as good as his whole body of work, one of those because he's just highly skilled. >> I agree. >> And um and he has prior experience.
Um um which I did not find with you know many of the others. In fact, most I did not find prior experience. Um, Philip Walker, um,
I he I think his I think his work was like onedimensional with the the colors and the theme. Um, Nicole I liked. Um, and even though she,
you know, didn't have a, she kind of had a mid-range score on her professionalism and experience, but art kind of won out with me. The final product I always kind of like lean towards. Um, I had Sean
um, scoring the highest and I had his work pegged for the Second Avenue North because of the layout of his linear and Nicole I had as number two and was kind
of recommending her for the 6th Avenue South. >> Okay. I had uh Shawn Bono number one and I struggled with number two, but uh uh as I'm seeing them again, I think uh Grace would be my number two.
>> Okay. >> I like I like the activity. I like the the variety in uh in her piece. But I just I love the I love the airplane pulling the >> the uh the sign along. Yep.
>> That got me. Where does that leave us? >> I don't remember. >> Yeah. >> Well, so fun fact, uh there's been three names thrown out and each name has two votes. So, we got to go from three names to two. Um I could I
>> But we have two number ones, right, for Sean. So, is that a higher score? >> Yes. But if we want now, we can't vote on behalf of Trey, but I can go grab that binder off my desk and see what he Yeah. >> Deliberate. I'll let you click.
>> Yeah, that's a good idea. >> I'm going to go grab my notes from the first meeting. >> Take your time. >> She's going to come back huffing and puffing. >> She will run. She will run. If this does this one doesn't If this
one doesn't get picked, I definitely want to find somewhere to put this jaguar this anywhere. I'll just find a wall. I don't know why I love this so much. >> I took in account >> Terry Terry Terry that strike two for you today. you know, even though it wasn't a scored item, I took in account
the experience um of of prior, you know, work and um you know, maybe maybe that should have been a a numerical um score added to that, but it was just
a yes or no. Um but uh yeah, I mean, you got to get experience somehow, right? It's got to start somewhere. Yeah, she has a partner. You can tell. >> You can tell the one the the front and the back were definitely different.
That's that's a Nicole and the other one is the other girl. >> I literally >> her name is on the >> scared. >> Yeah, >> that's a completely different style. See what?
>> Okay. >> So, up of of the three names thrown out. Let me catch my breath. >> Um, let's see. We've got Nicole, Grace, and Sean.
Okay. So on Trey, he's got Grace as the highest out of those three. And then Sean and Nicole are the same. >> I wanted to know.
>> Um >> Grace and Sean. >> Um I picked No, I picked Nicole as my number two. Sean as my number one. Your your number one was Sean. Your number one was Nicole.
>> I have >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. So, then Trey has Grace higher than Nicole. >> So, it's it's Shawn and Grace.
>> I think >> I'm >> I would with with Trey coming in. is, but we gave you three points or two. >> Yeah. I mean, >> because you both had Sean as number one.
>> Grace would have fallen out of those as Trey's number one. Grace was your number two. >> She was >> and Okay. So then, yeah, if that's the case, then because Grace was also in yours, then that would make it Sean and
Grace. >> Sean and Grace. Now, who who gets the what I let >> Grace I believe has the pier which probably Yes. So our I mean staff at
least because Heather and I have talked about this before. The recommendation I think for hers would be and because all four of her sides are so vibrant probably to put her down at Oceanfront Park where all four sides are extremely visible and that used to be where the pier was >> and they're they're smaller. Yeah.
>> It's almost a square building. >> Yeah. >> So yeah, she could that would work. Um, >> so if everyone is okay with that, we can request see if Grace is interested and being the one to do oceanfront park. And
then because Sean also had that really cool airplane pulling the sign that said restroom. I think that would also look really good on the other building along that front facade because the back
facade is not worth painting. And so I would >> I would posit and I'll put it up to the group but I would posit that >> his airplane goes on what's visible >> okay versus the way >> and the building's pretty much the same
size as this is it not >> Taylor yes they're not very far off um it's just longer but the amount of square footage they would end up painting because of one painting four sides one painting three the square footage almost ends up the same but the
one not at Oceanfront Park is much longer, >> right? >> So, if the group prefers this image, then this would be what we would ask Sean, hey, are you comfortable and would you be interested in painting this piece on the front facade and then his two
ends like this? >> Yeah. >> Is everyone good with that? >> Okay. >> Okay. So, the plane and then two ends. Okay. So then Grace for Oceanfront Park, Sean for Second A, I'm saying that
right? Yeah, Second A. Um, painting his airplane, pulling the restroom sign with the birds and the palm trees. So now we will reach out. I'll reach out to them both um and let them know, hey, under statute, we're able to just commission a piece of artwork. Are you still
interested? And if so, kind of get a timeline from them. And we will keep everyone updated. >> Excellent. >> It's exciting. Yeah, it's a little too Okay, flip the screen back.
>> Thank you. Asking people to do stuff. Okay. And next up, this is um a pretty straightforward one. Uh we've been at this a couple years now and we've kind of figured out some things that work and some things that don't work. And so we just took a quick
little look at our bylaws. The way our bylaws work is the CRA will have I don't know what's happening. Um final they'll have to approve the bylaws. It is actually on their agenda
for um Monday night. There's only two changes to the bylaws because quite frankly it's working pretty well how we've got things structured. So if it's not broke, why bother fixing it? We do want to formalize in the bylaws. Uh right now it reads seven members. We would like to formalize five. Uh we feel
like that's a really good number. And then when the new fiscal year rolls around, we will open this up and interview for our fifth member officially. And we would also like to require, this is not something we did initially because we weren't sure if we would need to. Um but we would like to
require that all the board members just like the rest of the boards are residents or have a brickandmortar business. They operate in Jack Beach proper. And those are the only changes. >> Okay.
>> How does that call to a committee member go out? Uh is that something that we should be active in as well as you? >> Um so these lovely ladies next to me up here will help us. Um no, it'll this was
the only committee that was a little bit unique in comparison to other boards. So other boards, they fill out applications any time of the year with the clerk's office. They kind of get held on file. There will be interviews kind of uh in batches throughout the year and then council appoints someone. With this one,
they gave staff um they gave us a little more creative freedom with this. So we actually handled all the interviews and we made a recommendation. So I will work with the clerk's office. We will open the same application again. you someone that has experience in some realm of the world of art and we'll leave the
application open for however long we decide 30 days for whatever it is. We will conduct interviews again and then make a recommendation based off those interviews to the CRA and then to city council and then hopefully fill a fifth member.
>> Excellent. >> It's going to really like change up the dynamic. We haven't had a fifth person in a long time. >> How long have we been doing this? >> Two and a half years. Three almost three years. >> Almost three. >> Yeah. Losing track. >> I know. Exactly. >> It was great. So, I think that's why
they are letting us still have a little bit of creative freedom because it's worked so well this time. So, we'll pick one more. Um, but we just wanted to make sure you guys were comfortable with those two changes. And as long as you guys are comfortable and everyone's in consensus with that, we will take it to the CRA Monday night for final approval.
And then, uh, October, we will plan to roll out an application for a new board member. >> Rob, you good with that? >> Yes. some great with that. Okay, >> great. Proceed, please. >> All right,
>> Mr. Chairman, that is all staff had for you guys. >> Any other things we need to discuss? New business? Nope. >> Done. >> All right. 3:30, you guys. >> Amazing.
>> Yeah, you got something.