chance to to read the very concise minutes from our last uh meeting. Yeah. Any uh any comments or changes? Hearing none. Uh uh
any we'll approve the minutes. Motion to approve. Second. Thank you. Uh any old business? anything we need to discuss? No. Um, just I don't know if that's old business. It probably could wait. But just to kind of give you
guys, if I can, just a quick um FYI of just some things kind of going on downtown. Uh, I'm sure if you haven't heard by now, you would have heard very soon. All Juckle Brewing locations closed across Georgia and Florida. The Jackal Brewing no longer exists. So, our
Juckle Brewing uh is now closed. Um, there were a lot of folks that were very concerned because that is a massive, beautiful space. Um, but I told everyone at the CRA meeting yesterday, rest assured, everything is perfectly fine as far as the tenant space goes because it is already filled. Um, they have not
released the name of who, but that space where Jackal Brewing was has already been uh filled by someone else and they will be moving in. Uh and so once we can make a formal announcement um with permission of the business owner and the building owner, we will announce who that is. So that has already been
filled. Uh we've got a new seafood place, Seismor. It is where Salt formerly was. Um they are set to open here honestly I think anytime. I think they're doing a soft opening friends and family this weekend. Um in fact, I think several people have been able to sample
some of their food. So we've got a new seafood restaurant going there which is really exciting. And further down in our south end district um in the Home Depot plaza, I don't know if anyone cares, but TJ Maxx is opening this Sunday. So, that is exciting. And then there is also a virtual simulation golf uh business is
also going into that plaza. Um they just got their tenant buildout permit. So, we will be getting it's called Back N. Not really art related, but just some kind of fun development updates. Um we are moving there's a shape shack going in in that
same development as well. Yes. And then we're getting another barbecue place on Beach Boulevard as well. We got a a lot coming. Yeah. Pig. Don't know yet. Yeah. Don't know. I don't know. No one yet. No
one yet. At least that we know. Brewery or they reached out to Tai to their stuff, but somebody's going they've got somebody for that for Jackal Brewing. Yeah. Yep. For the brewing. And just briefly the concept of size ocean what used to be called salt. Yeah. I mean I
believe it's upscale seafood. I mean it's definitely sitdown dining. Um they did a interior renovation pretty much the whole space. It's very modern. It's a very modern coastal from what I can tell. Um and it is a seafood restaurant and I think at least in J Beach proper
it's the only seafood restaurant with a view of the ocean I believe. Um that's a true seafood place with an ocean view. So, uh, we're super excited and once they open, everybody check them out. Excellent. You weren't here for you. Were you here for when it was the
Atlantic? Yeah. That was the Pers. And we have a New Mexican restaurant where goat was right here. That was the Pers. They did the Atlanta. We have a lot of places to eat. Before they did the fish company, so that's why I enjoy
trying them all. Um, other than that, where art is concerned, uh, pure parking lot phase one is wrapping up. The fence is supposed to be officially coming down tomorrow. All the hardscaping is done. Um, it looks leaps and bounds better than it ever has. Uh, they're going to
continue working though on landscaping and installing bike racks down there. And then I anticipate later this year um this when I say year I'm sorry fiscal year so before October I anticipate we will start discussing um again more seriously the type of art installation
excuse me to go at the pure parking lot um because we do have funds allocated next year to do some artwork at the pure parking lot and then plaza we just reviewed the 60% uh engineer drawings for that project we are planning to have
the 90% and probable costs by about June. And that phase of Laam Plaza is going to call for once the bulk of construction is completed. It calls for a couple of different statues and some artistic elements. So I anticipate we'll be seeing that uh next fiscal year as well. Um so we are not going to be
slowing down anytime soon. Excellent. And and the new uh dumpster mural is complete. Correct. It is. Yep. And um I can honestly say Fantastic. Fantastic. With every mural and every piece, it
seems the feedback just continuously gets better. Um, we've gotten a ton of public response on that mural and it's been pretty good. Yeah. Great. Um, everybody stopped by and was really engaging with the artist. Um, again, I
was just telling Bob this earlier. Um, I don't know how it keeps happening, but we keep finding phenomenal artists for us to work with. I can truly like out of the four artists that I've had the privilege of working with so far, I don't have one complaint. I don't have one bad thing I could say. They've all been exceptional. So, please keep
picking them because you guys are doing great. It's been uh wonderful. So, we're very happy. Fantastic. Yeah, I saw the dumpster uh at nighttime from Oku uh and it looked cool, but I haven't been by there in the day. She lined it up really well. Very
intentionally. Yes. Yeah. We're very happy. So, that is all I've got for you guys. Excellent. Uh, anyone else uh with old business? Okay. And uh I didn't uh open it to the
floor, but will uh anyone uh not in the room uh wanting to make a public comment? Hearing none, I'll close the floor. Uh, new business. All right, let's get into this. So, we just got a couple of uh quick
things for you guys today. One of the first things that we would like to talk about is a transformer mural program. Um, full disclosure on this one, we are still having an internal meeting to iron out the safety details and some of the
parameters and rules that we will need in place from Beaches Energy because these are their transformers. Um, so as much as we would like to just go and paint on as many as we want and put whatever we want, we do have to work with Beaches Energy and respect safety. Uh, because some of these transformers are going to get really hot or some
might be in a weird location or be accessed more than others. So, we're going to work with them to identify the most appropriate ones to paint. Um, so basically what you guys have in front of you is the memo kind of uh summarizes the program itself. Um, we put some
parameters in there. We put some eligibility requirements. Um, compensation. We are going to base the compensation. We've got really and truly three different size um transformers from what we can tell. and we drove the entire district
and I literally mapped out every public transformer in the district. So, I know a whole lot more about transformers than I ever thought I would. Um, but we've got about three sizes and so compensation will range. What it looks like based off of the standard pricing per square foot
would make sense would be anywhere from about $300 to $500 up to about $1,000 depending on the size of the transformer. Um, and what we would like to do basically is map them out and have this whole map um, of where all these
transformers are. And we would like to for maybe the first five when we get them identified from Beaches Energy, what we can and cannot use. We would like to as a committee pick five and say, "Okay, these are going to be the first five we do." We kind of want to spread them out so it's not just a cluster of five murals at once. Um, and
really kind of use those as kind of the gold standard for the rest of the program. And then after we get those first five done, basically at that point, we would open up the call and do a certain amount at a time, but we would more so allow the artist to say, "Hey, I really like the transformer on the
corner of this street and that street, or this one is by my house, or this one is by my favorite restaurant. Like, can I paint that one?" And then allow the artists when they're submitting and requesting to paint one to actually pick one out of our map of the program. Um, so the first five, we wouldn't necessarily go about it that way. we
would probably target the five largest and get those done and then the remaining large ones, medium and small ones, we would let the artists choose. And so really at this point, we would just like some feedback um on the program itself. And then we
also would like to get a definition from you guys of local. Uh that's a big one. You know, that is a very um a gray term. Local can mean just the zip code. local can mean from Pontavra Beach all the way up
through Neptune Atlantic. Um kind of opened. Yeah. So, we would just like to get some parameters on local and comments and feedback on the program as we continue to develop it. Okay. I'd like to start with a a question. Um the first five, the way
this is written, it would be $3,000 to do the initial five Transformers. So, are we imagining that we will have one artist rather than five artists or three artists or what have you that are divying up that $3,000
which is an amount but seems like a small amount to be working with multiple artists if that if it ended up coming down to was three of the ones selected when we did the square footage were basically about that
$500 range. So that would be the stipen for that transformer surface would be $500. So there were three of those and then two were a little bit larger and when we did the per square footage it was about $750. So this was just assuming two would be 750 and three would be 500. Whether that was five
artists, two artists, one um the amount per transformer when we map them out we're going to tag those values to them based on the square footage. Okay. I would ask the committee, do we want to be determining five different artists for
each or a different artist for each transformer or are we making it a group? Um, train to the chair, I guess. Um, that local thing was something I really thought about a lot and of course
been confronted with it as well. But as far as the five, like when when I read the thing, the $3,000 for five, that's $600 basically. And some of the transformers are pretty small, you know, um like a table almost. Yeah. Some of
them are kind of like a part of a trailer or something. Some of them are taller. Um, I think letting people pick like their one on their street corner or like you say a restaurant or something, they may only want to paint one and they may be okay with $800 or whatever, like you
were saying the $20 a square foot or whatever. So, um, I think for this to probably work, people are going to have to be interested in just painting one. Mhm. So, I think we try to just wait and like the question is, do we find more than
one person to do the transformers? I think the only way is really going to work. We I'm afraid if we get one person to paint all five of the first ones, they're all going to look the same and it's not going to be anything interesting, you know, like I agree. You know, they're trying to do
the garbage cans on the beach and the kids are going to put the artwork in and then they're going to print a wrap and they're going to wrap the garbage cans on the beach all of the kids different ones. It wouldn't it wouldn't be anything if they all look the same. So, I just wanted to bring it to the bring
it to the the committee. I think that definitely if we don't get enough people that are interested or somebody says the only way I can do it is if I can take three and get $3,000 then then then we can maybe change but I think I think we'll get ample. I mean I maybe not but every time
we've issued a call I have been shocked by just the sheer amount of so I just think it maybe and as far as the locals out one way I thought that we possibly could work the local thing would be in our rubric
where if we had and we put it in there in in the call if you live in our three communities you automatically start with 10 points or five or whatever the rubric can if you live outside the community, you would be less points. So that at
least there would be some margin of local that would be a a benefit to a local artist and then then of course we have to see what their subject matter is. But I'm just thinking maybe on the
rubric or and then the scoring we put in the column if you lived in our three neighbors you're five points ahead on the score or something because let's just say my daughter was at was was in
Savannah at the graphic arts school and she's living in Savannah because she got a job there. She's no longer local when she went to Fletcher, you know, in UNF. So, and she wanted to paint one of them. Yeah. She's as local as they get. She
just happens to live in Savannah. And I mean, like I know the guys with the artistry that I've worked with, they're they're businesses at the beach, but the guy who owns it lives in Hidden Hills. Yeah. We can't do
something like currently resides in. So when they apply they do have to the way we have it set up is they have to put their address. Um now I will say like in the last call I think one or two of them the address was their business address which to be fair we put was fine to
either I kind of we kind of treated it a little bit like with um CRA board members for example. They either have to live or have business in Jacksonville Beach. And so when it was the art submissions they either basically had to live locally or have business locally. And um it it was a little tricky because
it was like you know some people would call and say well I've done murals at the beach. I'm like well that's not your business. Like where is your business? Oh well my business is in you know Green Cove Springs. Well okay then you're not local. Like you don't live here. You don't have your you know brickandmortar
facility here. And so when we did local we kind of opened it both ways where if you're brickandmortar business is at the beaches or you live at the beaches that by beaches that's Jack's beach. So the last poor Atlantic and last call
Paneavidra as well Oak County through through the chair but what did you what was the last thing you just um paned. So actually the last call was more than just the beaches. last call was Jacksonville was local and it was
Jacksonville we received and the only thing that is uh ju just for numbers purposes and so everyone is aware we received right about 20 applicants some submitted more than one proposal. Um, one thing we would like to see while we're on this is when we have future
applicants, maybe not for transformers cuz that's a little different, but for a standalone mural project, one artist, one submission, um, because we were having some that were submitting 15 designs and then you look it up and they've submitted these designs seven other places. So, it didn't seem quite
as genuine. Um, that's something to consider. And then also, you know, we had about 20 applicants. I think three were truly J Beach proper like lived in Jacksonville Beach, one Neptune, one
Atlantic. So of 25 were truly only the beaches were five applicants out of 20. But through the chair, um I think the rubric uh is a good idea. I I personally I put a lot of thought into the locals too and I and I come back with
Jacksonville Beach proper um that local would be Jacksonville Beach not Neptune Beach not Ponder or not Atlantic Beach they don't necessarily include us in their projects um and and the only reason I say that is for this small project not for the larger projects that
we RFP etc but for this smaller project I could see um limit it to to to Jacksonville Beach. And um and quite frankly, what I don't think we want to do is is have 20 applicants times five
for these transformers. I'm not sure we want to sit here and go through tons and tons of applicants like we do for the larger projects. So, I would be tempted personally to to limit it or to use the rubric um that Jacksonville Beach would
be uh an extra point or extra five points. Yeah, I think if we were to at least staff's recommendation uh would be for the transformer program, I'll be honest, when I first heard you say Jacksonville Beach only, it was like, oh my gosh, can't do that. But for the
transformer program, yeah, it may be the one where it might make sense to do that because because it's beaches energy. It it just it it may make sense to do that there. And but to your point, I would agree that on our bigger projects, even on the bigger ones that we're saying,
let's keep them local. We expand local just a hair. Absolutely. Just because we want to make sure quality. Yeah. Right. And you know, broaden that applicant pool a little bit. But I I do actually um I think you actually changed my mind right here in real time for the
transformer program. I think it would I could see that one being appropriate to keep it to Jacksonville Beach and to maybe use our friend Bob here who has connections at the high school and really encourage a lot of up and cominging and younger artists to apply for some of these. That's interesting
because years ago um the beach's leader um wanted us to decorate their their paper boxes, the newspaper boxes were scattered all around the beach and
they offered, you know, so many to a school you had to go pick them up. But the beach's leader was a local newspaper. We didn't they didn't bring, you know, newspaper boxes to Sandalwood,
you know. So, yes, it's the same kind of, you know, artist like you were saying. Yeah, we could do that with the kids. Your neighbor neighborhood may want to come together for that transform. There's a
lot of things I I do not think we want to get bogged down again in the same kind of commitment that we have to larger projects. No, I would I would agree. Agree. I would agree. I think the one submissions per person is definitely
a Okay, I like that. and and for this yeah I like the idea of building into rubric rubric but I'll remind everyone in our last uh submission uh
there was literally a half a point between the top five applicants. So a fivepoint lead would disqualify everyone else. Oh yeah, we would have to try that. So I I like how you're thinking, but that would be nobody else could we
wouldn't even need to look at the I would almost recommend instead of making it a point value, how on when we get to the next item, we have an actual rubric attached to that one. That's a simplified version, but some of the questions on that rubric are simply just yes or no. Um, I would almost add local
as a a yes or no, uh, to where if it comes down to it, rather than someone being five points ahead of somebody just because of their zip code, I agree. It comes down to, okay, there's a point between these two were really, really torn. We love both. Let's look, oh, this one got a yes on this box because they are local. Okay, well, that bumps them
up. I think that way it keeps the quality of the art, it keeps that playing field the same, but at the very end it gives you that ability to award one locally without attaching a point value without penalizing someone you know unjustly, right? Because you know
I'm not a local and you know there you're going to have drama. I I felt, you know, was exactly what you're saying whenever I went through like for the pavilion and if it wasn't in Florida, I just glanced at it just to see if it was really spectacular
because I I personally narrowed down to Florida because I didn't think we wanted to get somebody from Texas, New York. So, I did have that same feeling like you're saying, well, kind of regret. I mean, may maybe I missed something that
could have been great, but at the same time, we know we started with Florida. Just like I think maybe adding a yes or no category to the tail end of that rubric where okay, you've got these scores added up. So, you've got your point values and you can really see at
that point kind of okay, who are truly the top candidates? And then out of the top, if it's five or eight or whatever, and maybe out of those five, three are local. I think then it makes that decision a little bit easier. adding a yes or no box to the rubric on if they're local. And I think on the
transformer program, it almost might be hopeful that people it might even there might not be any um competition. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We may only have one submission for one particular box in Seabbze subdivision. You know Oh,
no. We're only doing downtown, right? Yeah. So, just like in downtown, somebody in downtown could be like, you know, I want that box. That's the Salt Life box. And there may only be one submission, right? So, will there will there I think that's a good point. And
will there be pictures of the or locations for all the boxes in the RV? Not yet. I mean, I have them on a piece of notebook paper, but I have not. So, I'm going to work with our communications manager. I actually invited him to this meeting for the record, and he did not come. I'm just
kidding. But um um he and I are going to work together to basically create, if you've ever looked at some art committee's websites, they'll have an interactive map where it'll show you kind of like an overview aerial of the district and then it'll map out here 40 transformers and when you hover over it,
it'll tell you the size, the shape, how much that one will be, you know, whatever dollar value is added. And then as we paint them, our goal is to add those and our current public art and do one big art map to be able to have on our website where people who are visiting can scan our QR codes that are out there and it'll take them to the
website and they can see, hey, you like this piece? Okay, we'll go over here and check out this one. And it will have everything digitally mapped is our long-term goal. So, but we would offer um it may or may not be interactive, but when we issue this call, we will offer a
map of all the locations. um whether it's an aerial screenshot with X's and the X's are different colors indicating the size. It may have to be something that simple depending on how soon we issue the call, but we'll we'll have a map.
you know, along that I I was thinking about signage that uh you know, said you're entering the uh art district of Jacksonville Beach or something of the sort that designated let people know
that, you know, hey, keep your eyes open. You might see something you like and take a picture. Um, I'm not sure where as far as the downtown district we're working with, you could put those
signs, but it was just something I thought of on a lark. I would um you know how the historic Yeah. areas of normally I would be all for it. The only reason I'm maybe hesitant is because we
do have a CRA workshop coming up and we're talking about the south end district in that workshop and one of the things we are trying to write into an updated south end planned is actually public art in the south end now. Um so remember how minute ago I said that our workload was only getting busier. We're
expanding. We're expanding hopefully. It has to pass but if it passes we're going to try to also identify opportunities for art in the south end district as well. Did they happen was talking about where there was a certain amount of percentage the lease
or something or whatever they do that has to be towards public art. Remember I don't know it would be in it would have to be in the CRA. I don't think so. Tata was telling us something about some of the cities who would put put aside like a certain
amount of a of a buildout or a certain amount of a permit. Right. Right. Right. You can build this, but you have to add 3% for that would be something we would have to look at with more the planning and development department because those would have to go in with different fees that we would charge when people are
developing. So, not saying it won't happen, but I'm just saying it was a good different beast that that one is. Yeah. Um, well, I at least what I'm hearing, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that we're all comfortable with staff
continuing with our meeting with Beaches Energy, getting their parameters in place, having them review this, and continuing to map out these transformers with the intent to get ready to issue a call to artists for the transformers. Um, I to be completely honest, I don't anticipate this will be anything we do
here in the next week. We're not going to issue a call, you know, tomorrow. It's going to take some time with Beaches Energy just to make sure they're comfortable because they have a lot of requirements that we're going to have to make sure we're able to meet. Um, but if everyone's comfortable with the direction now that we are going and then
I will add, was everyone in agreeance on making the Transformers Jack's Beach only? Where did everyone stand on that? Was through the chair. Is that was that deadline on the 30th? Because one of the deadlines was May 30th. Oh, the next one. That's
the next Okay. No, that sounds good to me. Okay. All All in favor? Any other commentary? All in favor? I Okay. All right. Well, I've got some direction, Jack Beach. Thank you. Um,
and do we all agree that uh one submission for artist? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank And does that RFP go out to the existing list that you have or how? Probably maybe um
we would probably do like we did last time and place it on all of our social medias. We sent it out to everyone who receives the Jack Speech newsletter. And I did not realize how many people received that newsletter. I was blown away. We have over 20,000 people subscribe to our newsletter now. Yeah, I was floored. So we would put it in the
newsletter. We'll put it on the website. We'll put it on social media. Um, so we'll make sure it it gets out and I also every time we issue a call I email the cultural council as well. If somebody asked what would be the what is the address of the newsletter or does it come by email? I mean how Yeah, it comes the newsletter comes by
email. You can go to the website and just sign up for it. Just go to Jack Spe just tell them to go to the Jack Speech website um and look for newsletter. Yes, there I mean they're literally I think at the bottom of our website there's like a ribbon
that scrolls and I'm pretty sure right there it says sign up for the newsletter here. See this would have been good meeting for communications. It's at it's at the top and under if you like hover over that it'll it'll pop a link to and then you just enter your email address sign up or you can just look at them.
But you sign up you're gonna automatically get a look for and it's not obnoxious though. It's like once a month he doesn't send one like every day. Okay. So, I can just tell them to do that and they'll get updates and the RFP will be within that at at the very least
the RFP when when these go out. Yes, we'll make sure we do a good write up in the newsletter for sure. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, thank you everybody. I've got some good direction and we will keep chugging along on this one and um after we have our meeting with Beaches
Energy and we kind of fine-tune their parameters, I'll send you all an updated version of where we're at with this. Right. They're going to make sure and tell them like what type of paint or something. They may have something. I don't think it's super particular because they've already painted them
green. So, whatever paint's on there is is the right kind of paint now. They just need Exactly. So, so we will make sure though, like I said, is everyone um as we continue to develop this, we'll keep you all in the loop. Um let's see. All right. The next one
is, and I don't know why, please forgive me. We were having a lot of issues with civic clerk and for some reason this printed as a board of adjustment uh memo. It's not. Nobody can figure out why it did it and we couldn't reverse it. So I promise this is intended for
you, not the BOA. Um this is actually for us to issue a call tomorrow for the first public restroom facility. The first one we would like to do is the one at the pier parking lot. We are kind of at this very transformative stage with
the pier parking lot. We've got a new dumpster mural. The new landscaping is going to start going in. All these bike racks. Uh we went the other day and took a look at it. We've cleaned the graffiti off of it. The lot next to it is completely barren and vacant. And so when you're coming south along First
Street, all you see is just this um big blank uh wall. That's what you're looking at. God, that's really small. Sorry. Um but that is all you're seeing. And so what we would like to do is issue a call to artists um to paint the entire structure, all four
walls. And it's approximately about 900 square feet, all four walls, and to maintain consistent with all of our other murals, that would be about $18,000. Uh we briefed the CRA on that last night, and they were completely fine with issuing the call. Um the
eligibility right now as we have it would be to artists currently residing in Jacksonville Beach, Neptune Beach or Atlantic Beach. We could expand that to Paneavidra Beach if we want to and we can keep it these three. Uh we are fine with anything. We put in there that they
have to have prior experience with large scale outdoor murals or similar projects. Uh, one of the things that we added this time that I've never added before is going to be that first bullet under submission requirements. And we are requiring that they have a high quality tocale digital mockup of the
proposed mural, preferably superimposed on the exterior of the building. I think a lot of times that just helps everyone visualize what it's actually going to look like. I think it's um unfortunate and I feel sometimes that some people maybe haven't made it as far along in the process just because the submission
was not as quite the same quality as some of the others. And I think sometimes these artists that maybe draw things by hand, you know, it's colored pencils and I look at their portfolio and it's like, oh my gosh, this artist is actually phenomenal, but their submission's just lacking. So, we kind of changed that a little. Ran across
that in our last Yeah, I think we ran across that almost every time. um portfolio was fantastic and the submission was less than and I'm like, "Wait a minute." Yep. Uh and so we would like to request that. Uh this one we're going to leave open again for two weeks.
That's what we do with the last one. And it really was a pretty good sweet spot timeline. It wasn't too terribly long, but it gave the artist enough time to come up with an idea, generate it, and submit it. Uh one thing in this one that you'll notice is a big difference from the last one is it is a very simplified
rubric. Um, the last rubric I think was Yes, overkill. Maybe it was a little much. I apologize. I got a little carried away with the last one. But, um, I think we found a sweet spot with our rubrics. So, for this one, we made three
categories up to five points a piece. So, as many points as they can get is only 15. Um, and it's very simple artistic quality. So, it'll show their creativity, the visual impact, and just their overall artistic merit. Uh, their connection here. So, their alignment with the coastal, vibrant, and community focused theme, their professionalism.
This will be kind of looking at that quality of their submission, including their professional mockups and concept description. You know, again, sometimes we'll get a good concept, but they'll put three words with it, and it's like, okay, come on. We got to give us something. Uh, and then experience. We didn't even tack a number to that one. It's just yes or no. Do they have the
experience or do they don't? And then I made a note when we were talking in the last one. I will also add a number five. That will just be local, yes or no. Um, so that'll be super easy uh to follow. And the only other thing I would like to
request is if we move today to move forward with issuing this tomorrow, can everyone check their calendar and see if you are available to move our June meeting to June the 5th. It's the first Thursday. That would be the best thing
for me. I leave June 12th. I do. I don't have a calendar, but I think little too fine with mail. Uh, the only reason I ask is what I would like to see happen is you guys review and recommend June the 5th. The CRA looks at this June the
11th. I've already got a special called meeting on their calendar. And then June the 16th, council would see it. And then the goal with that is to have it awarded contract sign start and completion prior to Fourth of July weekend. Nope, I'm wrong. I live July 12th. Okay. But is
June 5th still okay? Yes. Okay. June 5th works for me. Okay. June 5th. All right. I got three out of four. All right, Terry, it's all on you. I hate my wife. You're good. Yeah. Okay. I hate my wife. June six. All right. So then with that being said, we will plan
to we will not have our third Thursday in June. Our meeting will be June the 5th in here from 3:00 to 5:00. And that meeting will be to review applicants uh for this mural. And with all of that, I will
quit. rambling and take any questions. Yeah. So, question the you'll open it up tomorrow. Yep. And it'll be up through the 30th and we'll have time to review before the 5th. Yep. So, my goal is to close it at 10 a.m. on
site. I'm going to close at 10:00 a.m. on the 30th, maybe noon, depending on how I'll talk to our communications manager today. But when we issue the call tomorrow, it will be clearly written. I won't change the deadline at the last minute, I promise. But it'll be sometime early on the 30th. And then what I will do is I have literally
already blocked out my afternoon on the 30th of uh this month to do nothing but go through these. And I will then send them all to you guys that Friday or Saturday, sometime over that weekend. And then you'll have that week to look at them ahead of time. and then uh in a
perfect world score them kind of like we did last time since this rubric is 15 points versus like a th000 points or whatever I did to you guys last time. I'm sorry that was a bit much. Well, it was the number of artists as well. That that was like it was intense. It was
very intense and having such a broad range, Heather pointed it out that having you know zero to 50 points versus zero to five, it's it's very hard to attach a number to that. It's much easier to go zero is worst, five is best. It's very easy to tack a number and that um but I will have those to you
prior to the meeting. So what we're saying is we should expect an email from you on Friday the 30th or Saturday 1st sometime. Yeah. We need to have make a
decision by the 5th. We will have our two-hour meeting to make a decision. That's when we're going to meet. Yes. We'll have our twohour time slot on the 5th to make a recommendation. Okay. Did we set a July date as well? It
would be the third Thursday, but depending on where things are, that meeting may or may not get cancelled because I believe we've got some people that are not here for that one if I'm remembering. So, we're saying what date is that? That would be the 24th. Yeah. No, I'm sorry. The 17th is the third
Thursday. Oh, yeah. You're right. Would be the 17th. I am tempted to believe. I'm in Asia then. So I will not be in I'm in Ecuador. Okay. So then I'll go ahead and say it now. No July meeting because we won't have a quorum. I'm in South Jack.
There you go. That's easy. So no July. South Jack. Send me a card. But that clearly delays the um transformers. It may it may not. If we if we have to we may do some shuffling. Um, the
transformer thing is going to kind of be very fluid until we can nail down some stuff with Beaches Energy and administration. But I will make sure I keep you guys in the loop via email. And it may be that we decide to start that program, we get everything approved and we start it more in the fall because it's just so hot, right? And I don't
know how, you know, if that's going to affect the ability to paint on these surfaces when the surfaces are feel like the surface of the sun. So I will I will have a put a tent over it. Yeah, I'll have a much better update. You could you could do some kind of you
could make something out to work for for a transformer. Yeah. Do we have uh what questions or am I missing anything to add to this call for the pure bathroom? You know, we really wanted to still keep this one similar to the last one where it's pretty broad for what they can
submit. As long as it is vibrant, coastal, um the unique spirit of the beach's communities, we kind of wanted to keep it do we want to keep it to the four sides uh plus the doors uh and limit say the roof line or the roof or
the inside? Okay, I can we're going to definitely have to highlight restrooms. That to me would be like, you know, a smart move for Oh, yeah. That is a good point. Right. We do any submission would be like, "Yeah." Right. But the but it
looked like from the picture that the roof is red and it and that the coping around it is red. And so do we specify that they could at least adjust the coping or does that have to be part of
I will follow up with our um chief of maintenance for parts? Those are metal. Those are metal roofs. Yeah. And they're already that color. So the I'm asking a question. The fascia should stay sort of like roof colored, I would
say. Okay. Right. Okay. I think they need to leave it. I doubt anybody will put a submission in where they've included it. Okay. And I will say as far as the doors go, depending I think these should be fine because I think they're like our cape building doors and that was pretty easy to paint. Yeah. Before I
100% say, "Yeah, we'll do that. Let me I will I'll text him actually right now and make sure that he thinks those are a good surface to paint on. Um the reason we didn't paint them for the dumpster enclosure was because the material it was it just did not make sense to paint
that and so that's why that one stayed blank. Um but I will get the recommendation of parks and if it makes sense to include those we'll make sure we the Cape Building they primed and painted them and I think on this it may be up to the artist. It would be a creative it would be a creative
submission to include the doors in my book, you know. I think I mean that continuity to that that wall's broken up by six doors. I mean it'd be hard to but but through the chair if we just like the eaves um if if we start painting the
doors when people are opening and closing the mural is going to be handled more than any other place on the building. Right. So you're gonna So what you'll have is you'll have something that potentially needs to be touched up periodically more so than just the mural. I mean, yeah, this will be
touched way more than the cape. Leave the doors and the ease alone just because people will be pushing pulling kids door knobs. Good point. Maybe minor, but I Good point. But I think that uh that I think that we may be getting ourselves into a little bit of a
maintenance problem. Maintenance. Just a little bit, but just enough to be a problem. Yeah. Doesn't have to take much, you know, and as you look at around the doors, there's little scratches and things like that. There's no question about it. I think that's I think that's a good point. And I know on
the other end where the shower is, it's really a mess. I mean, some there's water that splashes on that wall 20 not 24/7, basically. There's people leaning against the wall attacking their stuff. Yeah. You know, I mean, I I live in this neighborhood.
Yeah. So, in the direction would we exclude the door in the direction of the artist exclude the doors and the eaves and and how would we approach that wall that you're discussing? I'm thinking I don't know if we can get the artist to do it or but there needs to be
some type of waterproofing on the east wall. Right. I I think it has to be included because it's a vital part of the whole mural. But I do but I do agree that that it needs it needs additional waterproofing. Okay. Absolutely. Is
painting the shower pole part of the deal? It's not. No. Is Could we Would there I I like your I like your comments on the doors. Everyone's comments on the doors. Okay. Could we suggest that the doors have to be a
single color that from a maintenance perspective would be easy to repaint rather than, you know, so it's at least clean and fresh as a single color? Yeah. Rather than some mural on
it that we'd have to pull the artist back. Well, that's another good point is that if if then we're leaving if we don't allow the artist to to pick a color for the door, then we're leaving the door maintenance colors to the maintenance department.
And if we allow the artist to paint the doors, but not, you know, but in a color, a solid color, then they can they can tie in the color into their top color scheme to to
your point. So then we the mural doesn't overlap except in a solid what am I trying to say a solid color solid background color so that it can be easily painted and then we're not relying on the maintenance crew to
choose the paints for those doors and is it a would it be a possibility to to maybe put plexiglass over that wall by this shower to keep I don't think they'll keep it'll mold. That's way worse. That's way worse
to keep water. I think requesting that and I just made it in my notes to add to the call that waterproofing on the surface of the eastern facing wall will be required because of the proximity to the shower. Yep. Okay. So ideally just when they prep the wall if they if they
power wash that off and put some primer on there then that when they paint the mural on there that the fact is they just need to have something on top of that like you know how often they maintain these bathrooms anyway like how often would the city paint the doors?
Oh, 10 years. 10 years. Okay. So, the artist wouldn't have to submit the color they used for the doors to the city to make sure they got the right color. That's right. You know, if they were going to maintain it after, you know.
Yeah. We But I mean, 10 years is we might get repainted by that. Be another mural in in place by then. Okay. I mean, yeah. That's where, you know, I' I've had these conversations with the CRA as well, is that sometimes when murals, we're talking about it and we start talking about the
longevity and the maintenance and it's like, you know, it's it's kind of hard to put this in words, but murals aren't going to last forever. There's not. We may have a mural that lasts five years. We may have one that lasts 10 if we're lucky. But the lifespan of most murals from what I have learned working with
other professionals across the state, they is about five years. And that's what they see out of their murals. Um, the paint they're using on the can says 5 to seven years. That's great. And if you get more out of that, then you're really lucky is what I've been told. Depends on the sun and the direction of
the wall. Like I believe our cape mural is going to last probably longer than the back of the seawalk just because of proximity to the ocean. Um, you know, who knows? But when the artists use a really high quality paint and they weatherproof and they waterproof and
they put that special UV coating on it, you can see it. I mean, I think I think on regular surfaces, I agree, but but to Terry's point, on the doors on the door on steel doors that are uh handled repeatedly, okay, uh they're going to
have more wear and tear. Yeah. And it may be something we can leave the doors off of the call and kind of what we did a little bit with because we didn't specify in the call for the dumpster enclosure anything about the door. We kind of left that up to the artist and then once the artist got here, myself
and the artist and our superintendent over at parks that really spearheads all of our maintenance, we went out and looked at it and everyone kind of agreed. It just didn't make sense. And so I think this would be a really appropriate approach is to not necessarily reference it at all and look at kind of what we get in the calls and
then sort of almost make a game time decision with the artist. Um, I will say our bathrooms are about to get painted though. We already have a requisition in for that just to do a fresh coat. And so one of the things I can talk to our parks department about is with the timeline of everything, it could potentially work out where the artist
says, "Yeah, these would look really good. A soft blue or a soft cream or whatever color works. And if we're already going to be painting the interiors anyway, do we just go ahead and paint the doors?" Um, but I I'm happy to kind of work with the artist and make that be a little bit of a fluid
process just to kind of see what works best. that would the square footage of of the door areas if that was eliminated from the the doors are not factored in our square footage. Okay, I will add that. That's all I need. That was the I'm glad
you said that cuz I literally wrote that down somewhere to add, but when we did it, we calculated that 900 is very approximate, but we did take out the six doors. Gotcha. Okay, that's what I was thinking. And anything else we need to have in the
submission? the the picture of the west side that I'm looking at has number 10 on it. Does that is that something for fire or for some other code thing that the city
is I don't know I will I will get clearance from honestly with this kind of thing I'll get clearance from PD and fire on why the number 10 is there and um it's there the pure see that little 10 that top right hand corner top right
hand corner that thing could be the address. Yeah, I was wondering about that, too. That it gets mail. Well, I mean, if someone calls 911 from the bathroom. Yeah, it's um but that's the address is nowhere close to bathroom
number 10th. I'll check. Okay, we can. So, we'll figure that one out, but we're not sure what that may have to stay there in some fashion. out. That's a question. Yeah. Great. No, that was a great point because to be honest, that's one of
those things signs back up. I just missed that on the doors. And then now like obviously, you know, this box on the end, there will be things that we can paint over. There'll be things that do have to remain as they are, but I will work with police department. We'll make sure if it's not something important for the address.
We'll make sure it's not something for the fire marshall. We'll work with parks. We'll make sure that all of those kind of internal to organization boxes are checked and we don't accidentally do something we're not supposed to. Right. The cast marina side is really the focal point. I mean, can they Yeah. would
through the chair. Is there is there any thoughts about um are those universal bathrooms or are they are they guys and girls? I think they're universal, right? Yeah, they're unisexual. Okay. Took took care of my question. They have the stainless steel like jail toilets and
stuff. Yeah, the salon is It literally is. Yeah, it's all metal in there. Okay. Okay. For lasting. Well, one thing that was funny is I actually, as I was developing this call and we were having meetings internally, I did get the request more than once like, "Hey, can you just specify that this is an
exterior mural?" and they're like, you know, the artist is going to know when you look at the pictures, but if somebody's just quickly reading the headlines, bathroom mural, they're like, we don't need people thinking we're painting the inside of those. And I'm like, that's a great point. Um, so
that's another thing. It will be very, very specific when it goes out that nobody thinks that we're going to paint the inside of these bathroom stalls. I want to add that. Okay, other questions, comments?
Well, we will um turn this live tomorrow. Fantastic. Great. So, we should um expect something by May uh either May 30th or or the Monday, either the Friday, May 30th, or the following Monday. And then we'll have just to be
clear, we'll have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. We'll have three days to trip. And we are keeping this to J Beach, Neptune Beach, Atlantic Beach. That is it. Is that what you guys decided? We want to keep one per person. Yeah, one submission per everybody on
board with that. Yes. And we're going to have on both rubrics, both projects, we're going to have a um local local Jack Beach box. Is that correct? It says Well, so for this one, no, because local for this one would be Jax, Neptune, or
Atlantic. Um for the restrooms or for the for the restroom? For Yeah, the restroom one. Right now the the transformer one we're we're still going to have to kind of the restrooms we're going to go further out but but the for the restroom but the transformers we're going to we are going
to have a box that says you live in Jacksonville Beach. Yes. Okay. Okay. Um and so but is everyone comfortable with calling local the three beach communities? Everybody good with that? I'm good with that. Okay. And then are
we also fine saying that when you submit please submit one proposal only or you know I will add a caveat and there's one proposal only and you know only the first proposal submitted by the artist will be the one reviewed because you know inevitably someone is going to break the rule and submit one and then submit three after and we'll add that
caveat. One only whatever you submit first that's what your submission is. Yeah let's do that. first impressions, you know, make it count. It's kind of a time crunch to try and go through these. So, we want we don't want
to have Right. And I don't know how would it submission that there are more bathrooms that are going to be done. We have two more. Right. So, I don't know how you write that, but the submission for this is one submission. Yep. Per
artist. Yep. local which is beaches here. Okay. Yep. I'm good. Other comments? I think that $18,000 is a good price. It's one-story building. It's easy to get to. You can park right next to it. I mean, I think
what's 18? Yeah, I think it's a really good price. It's It's not easy work, but it's, you know, no ladders. You don't have to worry about uh using the restroom. Parking parking is available. You have to you have to pay for it.
Sometimes you go to a place like Queens Harbor. We can't find a place to park Queens. Okay, cool. Go ahead. So, uh this afternoon I'll make those couple of tweaks to the call and I will review it again with our communications manager. We will update our application and then
we will put that live tomorrow. Perfect. The uh the compliment on the details to the transformers. There was a lot of details about uh security, electrocution and etc etc. And that was um you covered all the bases on that I
felt really well. Yeah. Okay. Because any other any other items we need to discuss. I don't have any but I believe we might have does anybody else? Is there I'll just ask one quick question and that is
is there a time that we can we we looked at the this submission this this um it was um a friend of mine sent it to me and they Costa Rica and it has it has photographs within the
letters which the which you guys seem to like. Yeah. And is there when when can passing around I guess you can get a better look at it then when can we move uh when could we start looking at that if how do we do that? I think what would make sense is
to really treat it kind of like a workshop type item and look at it and and get consensus like okay we would like to do Jack's beach and then I think talk about because I believe what you were wanting to do is almost do a photo a photograph contest correct and then fill those with photos.
Um, so I I think we can make it pretty simple today. And if everybody likes this idea and we would like to see something unique, we haven't done a photograph contest yet with our art. Um, if everybody would like to see us expand on that here in the next over the next month before our next meeting, I can
honestly just start looking at calls at our photo contest and I can draft us a call for it. Um, and we and then I can have a call ready to review. That'd be great. Okay. Okay. because that's got it's got, you know, it could have the it could have the pier in there. It could have seagulls, it could have surfers, it could have beach people, it could have
you name it. I mean, and well, it opens a whole different pool of artists. You know, we've had muralists. Our muralists are wonderful. We've now done a sculpture. Our sculptor was wonderful. We haven't had um photography yet. So, I think this could also be really cool to open up a new avenue for um artwork and
different artists. So, do you need this? Um I'll keep it. I'll happily keep it. Yeah. And then what I can do between now and one of our future meetings, like I said, I'll draft up a call um for, you know, a Jack's speech
photograph contest. And I know other places have done this so I can also reach out to some of my professional colleagues and just kind of get quotes on like, hey, who did you use for um fabrication and what was your process? Because this would be the one
thing that would be really unique about this is going to be we would probably be the lead on the project management and installation component because there would be essentially a contest for photos where then we would have to get the photographs in. They're awarded.
We've got J A P eight, right? Am I right? Eight letters. That I'm embarrassed how many times I've had to count. Yeah, we do. Uh so eight letters that we would have to do and we would pick essentially eight photographs, get the rights to those and then we would work with a professional
fabricator. So it would be kind of almost two calls in reality. I think that's considered a that's considered a digital sign and it can't change only once every 24 hours.
I'm yelling at you. Just kidding. That is beautiful though. Panama. Ecuador. That's cool. This though, I mean, seriously, this is this is a great idea. This is incredible. Is that lit 247? I love it. I love it.
That's cool. So that's on the river. Thank you. I will though I will work on a call between and so I think what it sounds like this will end up turning into is um essentially two calls and I would think we could issue simultaneously where one is a call for
photographs and then one is a call for fabricators who can build and do the letters and then what we would do is award the eight images and then award the fabricator and installer and then that person would be responsible for taking the high quality high resolution
images and then superimposing osing them on the letter. So that that is no idea beyond our pay grade. That is way yeah way over my pay grade. No clue. I mean when you have these wraps on vans and stuff like that they don't necessarily fade. Correct.
They do. They do. Yeah. They same thing. They only last a few years. But I mean this could be something where we talk to again like I'll talk to some of my colleagues that I've met through the Florida Association of Public Art Professionals which by the way I am now a member of. Um Heather just approved
the invoice today actually. So I'm a member of the Florida Association for Public Art Professionals and we have a whole network where we can ask questions just like that like hey you have these letters if the lifespan of that rap is I don't know this is three years let's say and then that could be something where we have a contest every three years and
we change out the imagery. Um, I I think it could be, you know, the letters themselves are probably going to be a very permanent installation, whereas the imagery on them, especially if it's a wrap, I think could be changed out every couple years. I think that would almost be even cooler to plan to change it out every few years, right? It could evolve.
Yeah. Okay. So, we we will uh this will be something we'll talk about in the next or your your basement moving forward on it. Yep. I will I will draft both calls, one for a fabricator, one for photographs, and uh we'll go from there. and and the and I know you guys want to get out of here. The uh is there
a place where we could put um you know that the Florida driver Yeah, the Florida the surfer license tag is the most requested tag in the state of Florida. The one with the surfer on it. Is there someplace we could maybe put that tag as a mural?
Paint a wall with the with that tag, the Florida tag with the surfer because it would be it would be a selfie spot as well. there. I I believe it would be a selfie spot. It is the most requested tag in the state of Florida. I would
assume there would be again our favorite copyright laws somewhere, but I don't that is a question I will ask legal for the attorney. I'm just not I don't want to answer that yes or no. I'm sure there is some type of a copyright with that tag because it's the same piece of
artwork. Um but maybe simply maybe we simply have to get permission. Yeah, I was going to say it could be because it would it would be publicized in that town. Yeah, I mean because it is on t-shirt, things like that. So, okay. Well, it's in the prison domain. Sorry. Okay. Um, yes, I will ask the city
attorney. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. I've got other things, but we'll wait. I've got pace myself here. Working on the fountain at 16th Avenue South. We're trying to get that bigger. working on a a marker, a historical marker, and
trying to get the Paul's Park's name changed to the original Paws Park was supposed to be called Sandy Paws, supposedly supposed. And it was a much better name, but somebody didn't. And the person that made the park an actual
park, brought it to light, was Sandy Golding, right? And somebody had I won't name names. I was there, but they they had an axe to grind. They're potentially going to kill the project. And so Sandy graciously uh uh pulled her pulled her
name off the tag and it just became Paul's Park. So that was 20 years ago. So they had a 20-y year anniversary. So hopefully we could come around and maybe rebring it back to the original. She had t-shirts and everything for the park. And it was going to be Sandy Paws, which
I think is an fantastic name. Okay. For the dog park. Did you guys like that? At that time it was actually muddy paws because it was just a fence with a retain with bond in the middle. Let me let you guys get out there. I'm sorry. Any other items for discussion? No, we
are we are good. No. All right. Cool.