Okay, we'll call to order. Thanks everyone for joining us. And I think we're here to uh to judge or give our comments on the latest submission for the pure parking lot restroom.
Yes. slides, I assume. Uh, yes, I am. I am. Let me give me one second, everyone. Let me tweak some of these microphones, make them work because we're not picking up a lot of sound.
Sorry. All right. So, we'll dive in. Before we do, do we offer public comment or not at this? Uh, yes. If we can see if anyone from the public wants to address those. Anyone from the public? You guys don't have any opinions back
there. Okay, we'll close the floor to the public. Awesome. Okay. Can uh Trey Phillips, I need to um leave the meeting and I just wanted to get on record that I have done all my scoring for all the submissions. I can
leave all all my notes here and um I have them I've showed Taylor how I've got them tagged and I have to leave but um I know that the call had um
specifically said beaches residents and we had a larger number. I think we had 21 12 that were specifically Jack's Neptune and Atlantic. Um I started in my scoring with the weakest possible submission and
starting with that as being like one point for each category and then I added points as the submissions were better and better or when I got to a point where I had to use my opinion on which I liked better with my then I then I added points for those. We had 15 points and I
had two submissions with 15, two submissions with 14 and two submissions that scored 13 and of those six, there's four that are in the 12 that were considered
um local and two that are not. So, I don't know if we're going to judge them separately, but maybe that would help if there's an extra point or a half a point or an opinion that's going for the local or do we go non-local people out. either
way. But I'm gonna go ahead for the record and say that my top six submissions were number one, number three, number four, number five, number 15, and number
20. I think one through 12 were the local people. And I hate to say it, but I have to leave. And if there is a somebody looking for an opinion, I have some things in here, you know, not enough
info, you know, building's not rendering, you know, didn't show the building, etc., etc. on all of them, but I got to take my wife to the airport. Okay. Well, thank you for doing
good luck. Drive safe. You're going and you're on your own tonight. So, it's party at trade. What? What time? Oh, that's awesome. What? What time? Um So, Mr. Chair, if it's all right if I
kind of give a little intro. Um, please. So, again, kind of reiterate what he said. We had 21 apply. Um, they were all wonderful. Um, however, of the 21 12 applicants, and on that sheet that I sent out, you know, again, they're
numbers 1 through 12, those are the ones who were the three beach communities. Um, in the call, we did specifically say those three beach communities. Um, I had artists reach out to me to say, "Well, I live just across um the bridge. Can I apply?" And my response was kind of a
blanketed response that said, you know, the call um says what it says. We were seeking artists from the three beaches. Uh if you feel so inclined that you have a tie to the beaches and you really want to put that somewhere in your application, you are welcome to apply, but there is no guarantee the committee
will even review your submission because we did request local only. um you know it's it's at the committee's discretion. Um but again, you know, we've got 12 that are truly local and that is what the call stated was Jacksonville Beach, Neptune Beach,
Atlantic Beach only. Um and then just a little reminder is, you know, if let's say the committee does decide to only judge numbers 1 through 12 and select from those truly local applicants, we do still have two restroom facilities that we are wanting to paint. Uh, and as a
reminder, Florida statute exempts public art from the standard procurement process. Meaning when we get to those other bathrooms, we could in theory go back to this stack and let's say this person from Jacksonville that we liked, but they weren't truly local, so they didn't fit this call. We could give them
a call and say, "Hey, could you do this one for us?" Um, so we are able to That's a conversation though, you know, for another day. But just FYI, if we do decide to throw out numbers 13 through 21, it does not mean they have to be thrown out for every future call.
Cool. Um, if I could make a comment this morning, um, actually the other day I called Jack's Beach and um, well, flashback to 1966. Okay. I got arrested at the pier
for back when it was on Fifth Street South. amazing. And um you know, we were just youngsters. They released us on our own recgnissance. It was no big deal. But I never did it again. And there were signs that said no surfing within 500 ft
of the pier. But I went to the pier this morning to see and it's still on the books, fellas, as an ordinance. It's just not strictly enforced from what I understand, unless somebody complains. Um, I went to the pier, saw Wayne works
at the pier, taught the kid in 2000 or something, gave you a cool hat. There's a story. I was looking around. I was looking around for signs. There is nothing nothing that indicates that
surfing too close to the pier is basically against the law. And I asked Wayne um in his opinion because he's a great surfer. He says over the years and I've realized this too, the fishing community has dwindled.
It used to be huge back on they had a voice. I mean and I mean fishermen were loading up 10 ounces of weight and throwing casting at surfers to get out of their zone. and and now I think
there's maybe a little more respect. The fishing community has dwindled. The surfing community has just boomed. So, um I thought to myself, I said, "Well, are there confrontations?" Um and this is all
leading somewhere, trust me. land. He said only when generally he said only generally when there's an out of towner like if it's an out of town surf surfer or an out of town fisher there's been confrontations. Um, my point is that
I didn't credit a lot of the surfing themes as much as maybe some of you did because I was sort of cautious about us um kind of, you know, contributing to,
you know, something that might get somebody in trouble because it's called the fishing pier. Jacksonville Beach Fishing Pier. That's what the sign says, you know, and I kind of like was approaching it from that and
there was very very little if any themes that dealt with, you know, fishing. So, I just wanted to put that out there. I didn't I didn't really um I wasn't drawn to the surfing themes
that much just out of sort of a caution that um you know that's not a problem because I balance you out because I was you were of course knew that was coming. We're
fine. We're fine because we kind of balanced each other. I was definitely drawing. I wanted to get that out. Okay. That that is a I mean that's an interesting perspective for sure. Yeah. Something I honestly didn't think of. I think the problem we run into when we
issue these calls and the broad um intention is just to embrace Jacksonville Beach and our history. You know, I think being that the bathroom is in such close proximity to the ocean, even though it's in the pier parking lot, I think a lot of people go for the surfing theme because we have so many
surfing competitions and all the surfing competitions say, you know, by the pier. They're all down by the pier. Um, and so I bet a lot of people don't even know that it's not technically an allowable thing to surf right there. Well, tra
traditionally waves have always been better in peers throughout throughout the country throughout throughout the globe the waves are better. So you have a gravitation towards the peers for surfers everywhere. Huntington Beach Pier so famous and stuff like that. But
that's just because it breaks better. Yeah. So you always have that dynamic of surfers and fishermen. I was back there like you said when it when it was a when you had to paddle to the county line to escape the police. Um
sorry you you this meeting just gets better and better today. No. No. Just don't come out of the water. Oh my gosh. Yes. We tried to get back on track. You know, I think there's there
there were different themes and there were some surfing themes without a doubt. Yeah. And it's one of those things too where it's such a valid point. Um but it's almost hard a little bit too to I don't want to say judge or critique because that's literally the whole point
of doing this, but to maybe dock an artist for having that theme because on a technicality from the scoring aspect, it is on theme for what we asked for. You know, I think if it were something where we had talked about it a little ahead of time or I had thought, honestly, I didn't even think about that
being an issue, but you know, maybe it was something that should have gone in like, hey, maybe steer away from the surfing component because you're technically not supposed to surf here. Um, then you know, it's interesting. Yes. You know, from what I from what I observed, in fact, there was a a
competition this morning. Um, I don't know if it was the uh the girls cowg girls of the sea or whatever they but they their tent was set up. It it appeared to me that it was you know a
good 500 ft away. So I know there's organizations that understand the dynamics of fishermen versus surfers. It's always been there. Um and yeah, we surfed as close as we could. you know,
we could poach a wave and then paddle out real get out of the way real quick, but um you know, it was at your own own peril. Now, I'm sure if a fisherman hauled 10 ounces of lead weight to somebody, he could get charged with, you
know, some form of battery or violent act, but back then it was just part and parcel of like, you know, taking a chance at at things, you know. So, um you know, and and he said, said there's
the the confrontations are are few and far between, you know. So, it was uh it doesn't seem to be a problem. Maybe people are, you know, respecting each other's space because, you know, they don't allow
bthers to swim because you could get hooked. You could get I mean, and that's serious business, you know. So, it's there's definitely a thing there. I went I went through the pier yesterday. Just FYI, I went through the pier to the
other side yesterday. I got sucked through by the current. Um there's the fishermen are out there in certain times when it's really calm and stuff like that. You get a lot more fishermen. You get a lot more uh conflicts possibly the surface rod. Stay away from the lines, the distance, the lines. A lot depends
on the conditions, the currents, and the number of fishermen, but it depends on the the fish that are running and stuff like that as well. So it can get it can be it can be both ways these days. But anyway, well let me ask this. Does everyone at least have up numbers? Well,
first do we want to consider number applicants? Yes. And I'm going off of Yes. this sheet that has, you know, the numbers beside them. Do we want to discuss and review all 21 or do we want to throw out anything past 12 because
they're not technically the three beaches? I think we start there and figure out how we're going to review these and then we'll narrow. You let us know. Oh, no. Okay. What worked last time and correct me if I'm wrong was doing exactly what you said. We took the top one and
discussed those. Yeah. And I think we'll do that. There's no reason to discuss I don't think every single one. Well, we've got to decide the question. The question at hand is, are we considering the Jacksonville and Green
Co? Got back to that question or local zone or local zone. Yeah. To be fair, the call said the three beaches. So, and did the call say that they have to be living at the beach now or is that just the assumption? It was the assumption,
you know, because several of them said, "Oh, I grew up at the beach and I live across the way or I Only thing I would hate to see happen is, you know, kids have zoned beaches. So, I was I thought it's
unfortunate, but it's going to be one of those things where we've got to just kind of figure out where are we willing to draw that line and do we draw the hard line? I love the cover letter on all of them. And if it said one of the three beaches, then I check. And so, the city that's listed on that cover sheet
is the city that they have listed as their address. So whether and whether it's their studio or their place of business or their residence, um that did not that wasn't taken into account. It's the address that they listed as the artist when they applied is the address that's on the cover letter. Okay? So if
someone has a studio in Atlantic Beach, but they live somewhere, but they work at Atlantic Beach as an artist and they use that address, then that's what's listed. Okay. So, do we have a motion for beaches only as in residents or
business? I don't have a problem with that, honestly. I mean, I mean, it remains consistent with what you asked. My one of my top the only my one of my top people, in fact, my top person was one ones in
Jacksonville. Um, but if we want if we want to restrict it, we can. I mean that's well I think that's where we could potentially run into some kind of gray area issues is because the call did say explicitly Jack Neptune or Atlantic and
what I the only thing that concerns me is if we decide now on the day of like oh well we did get some good ones from Jacksonville and we were to consider awarding that and then someone else from Jacksonville who listened to the application and did not apply they're
going to go well hold on wait a second you said it for these three. But now you're awarding it wherever. That's not good point. And it it's just I mean there's not anything really that could be done. It's just I want to make sure we stay in line and have best practices and we're staying true to what we're
asking for. Um I just don't want to muddy that water and then we go to issue a call down the road and someone's like, "Well, remember they did this one off the rails and we're not going to apply anymore." You know, whatever. Like me, there's other opportunities for Yes.
Absolutely. I agree. And it was part of the criteria before the meeting even started. We were discussing how how frequently people do not follow instructions. This it blows my mind. I mean, I saw it as a
teacher, but it's just prevalent so much. Yeah. So that it's like it's a it's a game changer for me. It's like I'm not even going to look at your work. You didn't follow instructions. Okay. So then if we're going to start with that knowing then that we're taking a look at
numbers 1 through 12 and so I don't think we have to have a vote that it's the submission or the uh requirement was uh beaches. Yep. And So good to me. So then from there uh Taylor the
U or to the to the team are we going through one by one or are we I say throw out top three and let's start small and see because if there's three between because I've got trays and he's already verbally for the record stated what his top are. So these can be
counted as part of this process. know, um, if you want to give me the top three for the beaches community only and I can and if there's unanimously one person has the highest score amongst all of you, then this is going to be a short and easy meeting. Um, that's what we did
last time. If not, you know, and we'll start, like I said, maybe with three and then if we don't have three that line up, we'll extend to five and we'll kind of work through them and see until we get to a point where everyone lines up. So, um, oh, I guess I can Trey's top three that are local
are candidate number one, Michael Kulick of Atlantic Beach. And on Trey's scoring, he had a 15 out of 15 possible points. Uh, his second place person is candidate number three, Jonathan Lynn,
with a 14 out of 15. and his third place candidate was let's see uh Joy Swendell also with a 14 out of 15. What number applicant was that? Oh, I'm sorry. Joy was number five. Five. Okay. So, his top ones are
candidate one, three, and five. Joy was I thought candidate six. Six. Did I mess that up? Number six. I have one. Then it's I'm sorry I misspoke. Okay. Yep. Yep. So his candidate five which is
excuse me Philip Walker had a 14 out of 15. Candidate three Jonathan Lynn had a 14 out of 15 and candidate number one Michael Kulick had a 15 out of 15. Okay. Do you want to go one by one? What were your top? So, uh my uh top was uh
number one uh and my uh my next two tied uh my number one had 15 points. Okay. My number two and number three were uh candidate five with
13 points and candidate 10 with 13 points. Okay. Next. Go ahead. Um, my top scorer was number one. My second scorer was number three. And then
I had two tied for third highest at number four and number nine. Okay. Do you want the scores? Sure. I mean, uh, yeah. My top score, number one, I got 12 points. Number
three scored 11. Okay. And number four and number nine scored eight each. Okay. I think this is going to be a short meeting the ballpark here. Michael uh the first one Michael Kle
um is in my top score and I think that's how you pronounce it. Kick k the first one. Yeah, number one. So I had him u at 14 and quite frankly I think and I and I
had Jason but I think all of us had him number one number one. So, I think that's it. All four of us. Yeah. So, this is I don't think ever happened. I think everyone's usually in the realm. Hang on. I'm getting to him. Bear with
me. But I don't think we've ever Yeah, I definitely didn't see this coming either. Now, he wasn't my top score, but he in the 12 he was my top one of my top scores. I I just thought the overall package was
was impressive. I like the design, but just the the way that he thought through and presented to the committee, his plan, his vision, how it's going to be executed, how it would be touched up at
the end with or in the future, you know, with paint my numbers. I just thought this was brilliant and and and supplying the city with a color chart for the paint. I mean, he was for professionalism and
uh, you know, quality of submission. The reason top score for sure, the reason I didn't give him a 15 was because it still spread out and there wasn't necessarily in some of the others there was this more definite selfie
location and some of the other murals um that one could stand in front of and get pictures and things like that. And that was the only reason I didn't give him a 15, but it was my top score of 14. Yeah. In in the 12. Okay.
I don't even know what to say. Usually, we're all kind of in the realm of the same, but I don't think we've ever had a meeting where every single member had the exact same number one. Yeah. Um, so at this point I guess then we need a if you guys are comfortable
with this and and this uh proposal somebody can make a motion and would it be would it be out of the question to ask for maybe variations of the theme? Yeah from the artist. You know, the only thing I would
the only and Heather and I were sitting here just now talking amongst ourselves about it is the only you know, we've got a couple of selfie spots, the dumpster enclosure one was a little bit kind of like it's a trash can. The only thing is like this is the bathroom. Do we want people lingering trying to take selfies while people are using the bathroom?
Just just just asking. Um, you know, I mean, it it's a beautiful piece and I'm sure people will still take photos in front of it anyway, but you know, do we need a designated selfie spot at the toilet? Yeah. I was kind of thinking on some of them they had by the shower they had something and I was actually
thinking of the back more than the front. Yeah. Um, and that was but anyway. Yeah. It's just unfort. I agree with you though. We don't need a selfie a designated selfie spot with every mural. I mean, after all, we're an
art committee. It's not, you know, you could pick a tree that looks cool. I mean, I don't care. But Oh, I think people will absolutely still stop. They're going to find a spot on there that they that they like. No, I I I concede that not every mural has to have
a selfie. If if it is there, it's it's great because I see people because I'm at the pier surfing all the time. I see people taking photographs, you know, like in front of our son, our jack speech sign and stuff like that in and different places. So but anyway, so um
one question that I had uh with this submission and most of the submissions we had talked in our last uh meeting about painting of doors and most artists painted the doors and I'm good
with that. But I think we also need to make the artist aware that that's going to be a higher traffic area at least for the doors themselves. Number two, uh, Mr. Kick didn't, at least, as far as I could tell, didn't have a restroom sign. I
don't know if that was a requirement or a city requirement. Yeah, it's got blended in. Yeah, he does. Okay. Yep. Um, and on the as far as the doors are concerned, I'm glad you brought that up because if the committee is okay with giving um staff a little freedom on that
one, I would like to after this meeting sit down with our chief of maintenance over at parks. Uh, We're getting ready to repaint that the entire inside of those bathrooms and all the doors are getting a fresh coat of paint and then the exterior. Uh we're going to talk to the artist, but we've got plans to give
it a fresh clean pressure wash and a flat coat for them to have a clean surface to start on. Uh, and I would like to set the artist up with our chief of maintenance and talk about the types of paint and the doors and how high traffic they are and kind of allow them to decide if it's in the best interest
of the longevity of the mural to paint them and if it's not allowing them to kind of modify it and go with a color that matches the palette, but leaving the doors out. Um, but kind of allow them to work that out because what I don't want to happen is they say, "Yeah, we're going to paint it." And we just kind of let them do it without looping
in our maintenance folks who deal with these every day. And then we're six months in and the mural looks beautiful, but the doors look horrendous. But could it be uh could another solution be that there was a yet several coats of the outer varnish
on the doors that aren't on the rest potentially? Just Yeah. some plexiglass where you push, you know, they're normally metal, but if if they were made of of plexiglass where you push Oh, and I I do want to point
one thing out, you know, something like that. But I agree, Chad, that several layers of a finish would at least add some longevity. Right here where this lovely little red dot is, these are signs that we put in at the request of our police department
probably a year, year and a half ago. Those are the little white settings that have red writing that say if you're in this bathroom too long, we're going to come in because you're doing sketchy things. We had to legally put those there so PD could go in there and stop things happening that weren't people just using the restroom. Uh those will
go back up. So, it's going to be beautiful, but there will be those white signs, you know, they're about this big that say we're going to come in here too long. I I think two things can be both of you can be right on this. I think it's a good idea to put extra
coating of lacquer or whatever finish on the doors, but I also think that the artist should meet with with maintenance maintenancees and communicate with them about what they're doing and then let them make the decision on what how they should move forward, whether the doors
will be included or whether the doors will be a flat finish that somehow they incorporate. But if they if they do incorporate it through the maintenance department, I think it's a great idea and and then also add additional uh
protection. Yes, absolutely. Um and so with the dumpster enclosure, you know, that's what we did with that one. That's why the door ended up not being painted because after we talked with maintenance and we kind of looked at the material, it was going to just absorb that paint too much because it's that wooden door and it didn't make sense and it would fade a lot faster than the rest. Um, and
so we'll set up another meeting and we'll talk with maintenance again and let them figure out the type of paint the artist is using, what kind of a varnish or finish we can put on it, and figure out how we can make it work. And if not, what color will we paint them to kind of seamlessly at least blend it
where it doesn't look obnoxious? Okay. All right. So, are we Is that what we need for today or do we need a final? I think we voted already. A motion and a second. And then all in favor motion to approve Michael Kullik uh for the
bathroom project. Second. All in favor? I I approved. All right, that's and before we adjourn, so to speaking to
the other applicants uh from the city, uh I would I would I don't know if we need a motion, but I would uh suggest what you had already suggested that for the next bathroom, we just commission one of these. We
commission uh uh from this group. Yep. I completely because we have I was imply really really cool applications. I had another I swear they keep getting better every every call we do. Terry, what were your number two?
Actually, I had um I did have Jonathan Lynn with a 14. I did like his turtle. I I I liked his turtle. Wasn't sure about some of the stuff, but I had I did have him there. And then I had Grace Seymour.
Um, who was just under Jonathan Lynn. Grace Seymour. Jonathan Lynn. Which what number was Jonathan? Jonathan Lyn was number three and Grace Seymour was number four. Yeah. I had Jonathan in my top three. Yeah. But then I But then I
dropped down and tell you David Webster down in Jacksonville. Um, it was a very realistic with the dogs and the with the dogs swimming underwater and all. That was my number three. That was insane. That was that was my number one.
Actually, I uh I didn't I wanted to take out the shark though. I thought the shark was a little much now. Y'all know how I feel about sharks. I love me. It's a happy shark because it looks like he just he just ate.
Oh my. So, um so for our next because we will not have our third Thursday meeting this month. So you guys get a break from us. We will reconvene in July. I will send out that date. It's our third Thursday per usual. Off the top of my head, I can't remember what day that is. Uh and then something
Heather and I will look at the budget and kind of uh July 18th. Okay. So our next meeting is July 18th. And then what we have noticed um amongst pretty much all of you is July 18th is a Friday.
17th 17th and and I will I will be out of the country on the 17th. Okay. But that doesn't mean that meeting can't happen. Okay. Um that I will not be here. Okay. We will take a look then and see. We can always
check it too with Trey because I know he goes back to Ecuador a lot as well and I believe he's gone at the same time as you. Okay. So, no July. we will reconvene and send you a date and we'll do a poll and see what works for everyone. Um, one thing I do want to point out before we adjourn is kind of
unanimously, uh, you guys had candidate three, which is Jonathan Lynn, and candidate, uh, let's see, it looked like we had Philip Walker in there as well. Yeah. So,
um, those were the next top one. So maybe it's something that we kind of take a look at the budget and we can see the square footage of those other restrooms and maybe at our meeting in the next couple of months. We could even consider just commissioning those artists because those were the next highest two candidates. So that could
also be another really easy process. Um but we'll do our homework and verify the statute and make sure we're good proceeding with just commissioning a piece and we'll bring that back to you guys at the next meeting. Okay. And we're clear that the other that the other artists are going to be aware that
The reason we didn't discuss them was because they're they were outside the Gotcha. Yep. I always usually the day or two after one of these meetings, I notified the person that was selected to move on and then I notify the rest that they were not selected at this time, but encourage them to continue applying.
Great. Any movement on the sign that Jack the Jack? No, unfortunately not yet. We got to we got to amend a plan before we can add that to it, but we'll we'll get there. Okay. Okay. Any other business? We're awesome
everyone.