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Good evening everyone. It is time for our meeting. Uh I'm Stepping in. I'm Dan Jansen, vice mayor for city of Jacksonville Beach for the mayor. She seems to be running behind a little bit. So um with no further ado, welcome to the June 15th city council meeting in

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Jacksonville Beach. Uh we'll get started with an invocation followed by the pledge of allegiance. Everybody please rise. I came across uh this statement from a from a podcast I thought I'd share before we pray. It's real quick. Says,

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"Offence is what pride does when it encounters grace that it did not earn and cannot control." Let us pray. Good and gracious heavenly father. As I lift up my brothers and sister in prayer tonight, we just ask for your blessings in making wise choices, wise decisions,

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and discernment. Lord, we just ask you that you bless our colleagues on counsel and that we make decisions that point towards you, Lord. And we ask you to look over our first responders as they go through their day to protect our peace. Lord, please bless them. And

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Lord, we just ask you to be with our military as they also protect our peace and those that are coming back from the Middle East and those that stay have to stay there and still fight and defend our country. Lord, we just thank you for all these blessings for it's in your son Jesus name we pray. Amen.

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>> Amen. >> Amen. >> To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all. >> Madam clerk, roll call. Council member Golding here. Council member Horn >> here. >> Council member Jansen >> here. >> Council member Sutton >> here. >> Council member Wagner >> here. >> Council member Wowers >> here. >> Mayor Hoffman.

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>> Sorry folks. We're we're working through this. Had to get my agenda. All right. Um, approval of the minutes. >> I move that we approve the minutes from the regular city council meeting held on May 18th, 2026.

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>> Second. We got a first and a second. Any questions, comments? >> Uh, yes. Um, I'd like to point out that on page four of five of it's in the ordinance 20268236,

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which was the extension of premises ordinance. In the vote on the amended motion, I voted no. However, the meeting minutes reflect that I voted yes. So, I wanted I want I move that we amend the

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minutes to properly reflect my vote on ordinance 2026 8236. >> Second. Okay, we got a motion and a second. Any questions, comments? >> All in favor say I. >> I. Any opposed? >> All right, moving to

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>> Now the motion's been amended. >> Oh, that's right. The motion's been amended. So, now we need to uh get approval for the for the minutes. All in favor say I. >> I. >> Any nays? All right. Minutes here.

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>> All right. Um, approval of the minutes. I mean, approve of the agenda. >> I move that we approve the agenda. >> Second. All right. We got a first and a second. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Any opposed? All right. Moving on to

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announcements. Miss Holding. Golding. Oh. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Um, I have a few announcements. I wanted to thank Mike for doing the uh presentation at the

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June 3rd Beaches Watch meeting about the property tax amendment um and how property taxes are used by Jacksonville Beach. If uh if anyone would like to watch that, it it was recorded in a video and it was very very good. helps

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um everyone understand how our tax dollars are being used. Um and also in February he did a presentation that was a basic budget 101 presentation which was excellent as well and um you can go

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to beacheswatch.com and uh both of those presentations are posted on that website. Also wanted to mention that um a few of us attended the ribbon cutting for Players by the Sea and it was uh wonderful to see the uh the theater our

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wonderful community theater reopened completely after the fire and encourage anyone to please plan to check out some of the things some of the plays that they've got coming up. Um it's we always have a great time there and I encourage you to support our local community

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theater. Um, just want to remind everybody that tomorrow we've got the farmers market from 3 to 7 at Leam Plaza and yoga at the pavilion from 6:00 to 7. And then want to congratulate after candidate qualifying this past week. I

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want to congratulate our colleagues uh, Councilman Wagner and Councilman Horn who are officially reelected without opposition. and also want to congratulate Art Graham who has previously served on the city council and will be serving district three which

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is my district when my term ends. And also want to congratulate Rep. Michael, Representative Michael and Senator Yarborough who both were also elected um to their um to represent us in Tallahassee again without opposition.

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And just want to let everyone know that city hall is going to be closed this Friday for Junth. And last but not least, July 8th, Beaches Watch is having their annual police panel uh presentation, which will have all three

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of the beach police departments represented. Chief Smith, I believe this will be his last time to do that that presentation uh since he's retiring. and uh Atlantic Beach Chief uh Guillo will also be there and Neptune Beach will

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have a representative. They'll be talking about public safety here at our beaches um status of where of of our public safety issues as well as events like July 4th and that sort of thing.

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That will be Wednesday, July 8th at 7 o'clock at the Beaches Branch Library. Thank you, Council Member Golding. Councilman Sutton. >> Thank you, Vice Mayor Jansen. Uh just piggybacking on Councilwoman Golding's

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uh congratulations there certainly to uh Councilman Wagner. It's been a pleasure serving with you for over over two years now. and um very uh very glad that um

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you'll be uh as of November uh on council for another four years. and Councilman Horn. Uh we were uh sworn in the same evening and the last four almost four years has been a pleasure and appreciate your service and glad

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you'll be uh on for four more years and and congratulations to Art Graham, former Councilman Art Graham here in Jacksonville Beach and former councilman in Jacksonville as well. After I think a 20 plus year hiatus from Jacksonville

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Beach, he'll be rejoining us. uh in uh in November. So that uh although no one can fill Councilwoman Golding's shoes, uh Mr. Graham will uh certainly be a uh a good addition. Um I believe in

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addition to um Senator Yarborough and Representative Michael's um unopposition I think here at the beach. Now I'm really going out on a limb. I believe Councilman Horvath in Neptune

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Beach went unopposed. No, he didn't. Somebody did in Neptune Beach. >> Um Jerry Wetzel. >> Okay. >> Jerry Wetzel uh is will be new councilman in Neptune Beach. And then Councilwoman Ring in Atlantic Beach, I

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believe, went unopposed. So, she will uh she'll also be serving another term. So, congratulations to them. And speaking of Neptune Beach, they had their um Jarbo Jubilee uh this past weekend, which was very hot uh but very well attended. And

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um so congrats to Mayor Bland and uh and everyone from Neptune Beach on that. And then we had the country fest here in J Beach Saturday. And uh I had to dodge some weather there in and out, but a good crowd uh dwindled some with the uh storms that rolled through. But um

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appreciate parks and wreck and certainly uh PD for everything they did in um and carrying out that event. Thanks. >> Thank you, sir. Um not to beat up all

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the thanks, but yes, congratulations to my colleagues on council. Uh you're stalwarts of the community and and continue to do the good work that you have been doing. Also to add to the list of uh local officials who ran uncontested, Congressman Bean also uh

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was uh I guess re-elected as congressman unopposed. So um so yes, and Country Fest was was a really good time. Uh my hats off to parks and recck. They always do a fabulous job with that. It keeps growing uh albeit the weather this this time. So I think the problems we may

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have in the future is how we keep it under control when it keeps getting bigger and bigger and better and better. So, but um it's a really great event. If you haven't been, you really should attend it. And also, hats off to our to our law enforcement, our partners in law enforcement because they make sure that the event goes on without a without a

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hitch, without any problems. And uh if there is a problem, they remove it immediately so nobody ever sees it. So, thank you to all that get involved with Country Fest. All right, moving on to Oh, Councilman Horn. That one was hidden

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behind my laptop. That's okay. Um no, no. I just uh um I want to say we did attend um the Neptune Beach Festival for the celebration and we told Mayor Bland if next year she could request slightly

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cooler weather we would appreciate that and she was she gonna do what she can. Um Countryfest uh was amazing and again happy to see those things. I'm going to echo the comments of my other council members and uh this weekend I had the

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opportunity slashprivilege of um cooking on Sunday well Saturday evening and Sunday morning uh and Councilman Sutton and I went down and we served uh and brought lunch for everybody from the Jacksonville Beach Ocean Rescue and the Volunteer Life Saving Corps and we fed

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about 50 hungry lifeguards and there were many full bellies and many happy lifeguards and it's always a pleasure to serve. And thank you very much councelor Sutton for your your grilling expertise. >> Apologies for being late everyone. What' I miss? Start over. No, just kidding.

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Are I So we're doing council announcements. >> Anybody else besides Mr. Horn? Did anyone talk about >> Did anyone congratulate our newly reelected? Okay. Did we talk about Countryfest? Okay. Did we talk about

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Farmers Market being cancelled? The farmers mark. I got one. Farmers market tomorrow is cancelled due to projected inclement weather. Yoga is still TBD. So, in case you are going to get out there doing your pigeon pose or down dog or whatever, keep an eye on the

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weather for that. Okay, moving right along. Courtesy of the floor to visitors, we have David Mlan. Come on up. Give us your name and address and you'll have three minutes to address the council. Hey, my name is David McClean. Um, I

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live on 21st Street South, uh, close to, uh, the old Joe's Crabshack. And, um, thank you for hearing me. I've got a little thing I prepared, so I just like to read it. Um, this is about flock. Um, I'd like to say that I support keeping the community

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safe, but flock cameras are deeply concerning. Right now, under a local government, we might under our local government we might be fine. But we don't and we shouldn't write rules for the government we trust today. We should write them for the government we might get tomorrow, the one that doesn't share

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our values. Given the trend of everexpanding government, what happens when a future administration here in Tallahassee or Washington wants to know who's attending what political rallies or worshiping at particular places? Um what happens

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during the next emergency when unheard of authority is seized by government like co I realize now the access is limited to the police department but surveillance surveillance infrastructure always expands when left unchecked. This chills free speech, freedom of

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association and the right to move freely without constant government tracking. We need real protections now while we still control the decision. We need to ban sharing our residents data with outside agencies without a court order. We need full transparency in the form of public

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audit logs so we can see who's quering what and why. And we need clear rules limiting use to serious crimes only and not for fishing. If we can't put ironclad safeguards in place today that would still protect us under the worst possible future conditions and against

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the worst possible governments, then we shouldn't have this system at all. Safety shouldn't come at the cost of turning every drive through Jacksonville Beach into a permanent government record. Um, and lastly, as Benjamin Franklin said, those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little

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temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety. Let's get this right before it becomes impossible to walk back. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Mlan. Scott Oonnell, >> Scott Okonnell, 2302 Srass Road, Jacksonville Beach. Good evening, Mayor,

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City Council, City Manager, City Staff, residents of Jacksonville Beach, Florida. I stand before you tonight as president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 17. And I'm here to speak on behalf of the men and women of Jackson Beach who patrol our streets daily. And I'm here to urge you to

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select the next chief of police from within our own ranks. Choosing a police chief dictates the direction of our community, the safety of our streets, and the morale of our officers. While it's always tempting to look outward for a fresh perspective, Jacksonville Beach

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is not a generic coastal town. We do not need an outsider to tell us who we are or how to police our streets. First, let's talk about our unique culture. We deal with complex shifting dynamics every single day. From managing the massive influx of seasonal tourism

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to the highly specific challenges of downtown entertainment districts, all while maintaining quiet and safe neighborhood streets that we all enjoy, especially those who are yearround residents. a chief brought in from the outside will spend their first year just trying to understand the rhythm of this

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city and we don't have a year to spend on the learning curve. Our internal candidates already know the pulse of this city because they are the ones who have been managing it. They understand our organizational management frameworks and are ready to execute on day one.

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They aren't arriving with generic ideas and they are already possessing 90-day, 180day, and one-year roadmap specifically tailored to the real needs of our department. Second, I ask you to consider the

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absolute transparency that internal promotion guarantees. When you look at a resume from an internal candidate, you will see exactly what you want to see, the highlights and the polished uh successes of those. But when you have an internal candidate, you see their unbarnished truth.

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You have watched our leaders come up through the ranks. You know their names. You know their records. You know that how they handle crisises and how they utilize data, excuse me, data driven analytics to allocate resources to manage our city in crisis.

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They are proven, tested leaders. And I ask you consider these internal candidates. You know how they will treat their officers when their cameras are off. That's very important as a the union leader of Fraternal Order Police to me. Their histories are an open book. They

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are built right here in our community and their level of transparency is invaluable and simply cannot be replicated by a panel interview. I'm going to speed up because I want to look. Finally, second policing here relies entirely on community access. Our citizens and business owners expect their police leadership to be

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approachable and instantly responsive. Our internal leaders don't need an orientation tour or a list of stakeholders to start doing their jobs. They have the cell phone numbers and of local business owners and neighborhood watch captains and school administrators. And very important, they have stood in the living rooms of breeding families of Jacksonville Beach

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residents. They have already done the hard work to earn the trust of the people they serve. And the men and women of Lodge 17 are looking for a leader who has stood shoulder-to-shoulder with them. We want someone who doesn't just want a job as a police chief, but we want someone who is invested in leading this department. And

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I close with our internal candidates have the talent, the dedication, and the strategic vision right here. I strongly urge you to recognize the investment our leaders have made in Jacksonville Beach and promote from within. Thank you for your time and your continued support and I apologize for going over just a few

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seconds. My first time, >> you're fine. You did great. Thank you. That is it for our courtesy of the floor cards. We'll move on to a consent agenda. >> I move approve the consent agenda. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Seeing that none, all in

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favor signify by saying I. I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries. And I see some hardware up here. I think we've got some award presentations coming up. Come on up, Mr. Putman. Right on the Florida Municipal Power Agency.

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I'm not going to steal any of his his information or thunder. Um his staff did a lot of work to put this information together. So I introduced Jacob and also we have Sharon Adams head of HR or something member services. >> Yes. >> All right. Mayor, Council, and the

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leadership of uh Jacksonville Beach, it's our honor to be here tonight to recognize what a wonderful electric utility have and you have here. And um if we got the slides up, um we got some awards tonight, but before we make the award, we want to just paint the picture

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real quick. Uh I I have the pleasure of leading Florida Municipal Power Agency. uh it's the agency of which you are a member and frankly an owner of a of the the power plants that that provide service to you and all there are 33 municipal electric utilities in the

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state of Florida. There are 13 that own all the assets essentially all the assets within FMPA and another 13 communities that we provide at least some of the power to. So we're the wholesale power provider. Um Allan and team distribute and do all the customer

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service and all those things that go on. But you see the the list of cities. Municipal electric utilities represent three million c three million people in the state of Florida. Um 14% of the population gets electricity from a municipal electric provider in the

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state. Um, with that as a bit of background, we're here to recognize Bus Energy for delivering um, outstanding reliability and outstanding affordability. You are truly uniquely served by one of the leading utilities

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in the state, bar none. Um, and um, both in terms of reliability and affordability, there is not a, you know, of the big investor on utilities, there's not one that does it better than you all do by a long shot. And we'll we'll lay that out. Um and and a few big

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steps here in terms of reducing outage time this year. Uh but it's not something that's happened accident for 12 years. You've had a remarkable track record. Uh we'll talk about that. And your rates here uh in in Jacksonville are lower 14% lower than the best

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investor on utility in the state and one of the lowest in the states and you have one of the best reliabilities in the state as well. So in all you are providing great value to your customers. I'll mention just the rates real quick. This is just shows you um beaches energy

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residential rate per thousand kilowatt hour. The municipal average the municipals are below all the investor own utilities in the state on average and beaches is well below the municipal average. So you're one of the the b I think one of the lowest five or seven in

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the state. Um and so something to be proud of. you're saving your customers money and you're providing more some of the best reliability in the in the state. Uh what a deal. So you do a wonderful job there. Um the awards we're going to give tonight are based on

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actual data. This isn't kind of the contest to kind of see what you think. This is what the data shows. And the data shows um in terms of the the the big metric that we look at is the number of minutes a year that an average customer is out. That's a big metric.

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And the gold standard in the industry is 60 minutes. Well, Beaches Energy blows that away. This last year you were at 19, just under 20 minutes. That's unbelievable. There's only one other utility in the state of in your size or

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buff that does it. Um and you are right next to and and battle back and forth. And you go back to 2017, actually, you were actually lower at 18 minutes. So um you know it's a wonderful achievement uh compared to everybody else in the state. These are all the municipals that are

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below the the 60-minute standard. There are uh 16 of them that were below the standard and 12 are below the lowest municipal in in the or lowest investor on utility that being FO. So you all add significantly more value than the other

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utilities in the area. So again, want to recognize Allan and the team here. They've done a remarkable job over the last 12 years, not just a few. And again, you see the metrics in terms of where beaches is compared to the municipal average, well below, um, in

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what you do. So, um, all kinds of reasons to how there's all the planning that goes in. It's not an accident. These things take years to do. All the undergrounding has been done. All the substation redundancy Allen builds in and all that. Um, so we have four awards

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uh tonight. You won all four awards. We only have four and you won all four of them. Um, this is only the second utility to win all four awards in a year and that's because of your team uh that that that uh is here and some of the guys in the back. Um, so with that, I

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want to take you through the awards and then and maybe afterwards we can have whatever you want to do pictures or whatever. But the first is um to have the the greatest improvement in terms of reliability year. You had a 60% reduction in outage minutes uh which is

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hard to do when you're so low already. So uh beaches was was the the one that did more than 10% reduction uh in in the last year. Um the second one is how many years have you been under the gold

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standard 60 minutes and beaches and KUA CMI utility have done it for 12 years in a row. Nobody else in in the state in the municipal world's been anywhere close to that. You can see the others that are there. So again um outstanding.

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Um and then the two big awards um you all had the largest reduction in terms of outage minutes this past year. 60% reduction um is is an outstanding thing. And then finally, what I would call really the biggest award is for your

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category, you were the most reliable in the state for your size category and you were number one.1 right at right at number one in terms of the the most reliable in the state. So, um being that and low cost, congratulations. We've got all these

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awards here we'd like to give out to the team and um you'll be honored at the annual conference which is next month down at um uh down at the breakers in in Palm Beach where we give out the annual awards and all that and so you'll be the big winner there but wanted to go ahead

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and do it here for the council as well. So with that I thank you and u >> yeah why don't Beach's energy team why don't you come on up >> oh I'm sorry Mr. Jansen >> yeah quick question for you Mr. is uh so

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I have to know who is who are we tied with in reliability so I can uh I'm sorry who have you tied with in reliability >> um uh CMI utility authority is is right there with you all and they're the ones

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who've done 12 years in a row as well >> they run Mickey Mouse operations bring that back talk to League of Cities uh thank you so much for that presentation congratulations beaches energy can we all give them a round of applause It's it's one thing to receive the awards,

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but to be able to see the data and everything that goes behind it and especially how um much we're kicking everybody else's butt around the state uh is really we really I appreciate that. So, thank you for bringing that presentation. Okay, you guys come on out up front. Council, you want to just

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stand behind stand up behind the team? I consistenc and and mayor I mayor I did want to make one comment. You said the reliability remember you did this while being very low cost. That's a tough trick. You

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could be one or the other. To be both is great. So that congratulations. >> Thank you. And thank you Beach's energy team for continuing to make us very proud. We will move on to I already do consent agenda. Yes. Okay.

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Just kidding. Beaches Energy. Mr. Celely. >> Good evening, Mayor Hoffman, City Council, Molly Mike, David. Good to see you. Thank you for your time. Sorry, I it was I was like the perfect segue. So, uh not that we timed that or planned

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that, right? So, um I again before we turn to the agenda, I would like to thank the Florida Municipal Power Agency for recognizing us tonight for reliability. Um I know I share our feelings from the team when I tell you like what an honor it is to work for an organization that gets to provide this

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level of service to this community. It really is. It's just amazing. And I can't tell you, working from an investor own to a large municipal, I just it we love working here. We really do. So, we appreciate your support and everything that we do. Um, it's that commitment tonight to reliable service is exactly

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why we're here to to bring this item before you. We're asking for one thing kind of has two parts. um the purchasing or the spending authority and the purchasing mechanism to purchase a transformer 138 to 264 substation

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transformer. We currently operate three transformers that are pretty identical and the idea is that they'll be replaced by identical transformers. So if anything breaks, it's plug-and-play. We'll have the similar parts across the board for all of those. Um they're all

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1982 vintage. That was a that was three. So that was a good year. those. I love the 80s. Can't can't go wrong there. Um they're all three approaching the end of life and we've kind of taken a linear approach to wanting to replace them. Um the goal is to replace all before 2032,

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which they'll be 50 years old. And um substations normally have a substation transformers normally have a 40-year life. And we did a service life extension. So that's kind of if you're familiar with the roof and you kind of have that treatment done, you get another 10 years, but you really we don't want to go past that right now.

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And uh so they'll be approaching 50 years. So from a reliability and mitigating risk perspective, we'd like to start getting these replaced. Um if you're familiar in fiscal year 25, we had a transformer budget at the purchase and that was dependent on a grant which

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we're still waiting for. Um it's still in the works and we still expect to get it, but we're just not sure exactly when for that Diego transformer. And so, um, it's still in order to qualify, we have about a three-year lead time right now for transformers, and that's increasing

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daily with the AI data centers and everything like that. And so, um, we have a hard completion date for that grant if it gets approved of October 1st, 2029. They're not likely to extend that. So, in order to be able to make that, we've kind of had to we want to

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bring this forward. So, what we kind of want to do is the next transforming line, which was FY28. We want to bring that forward and we're asking for your permission the night to to basically authorize that purchase. Um it's not going to change our timing. This can be used in any location. The good news is

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if that grant comes through um we've talked to the manufacturer and we would come back to you to ask for permission to buy a second one with that grant. They will switch the delivery dates so that we can still be on track in order to uh accomplish this and complete the project on time. We do believe um that we would be able to do both projects

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concurrently. That was not the original plan, but we would be able to manage that. So again, why now? Why are we moving for this? Why do we feel like the urgency is now? Um the surge really has a lot to do with data center development. They're spending money like crazy and then they're cutting in line

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in some places. So the earlier we can get this in, it's straining substation transformer manufacturing sector, um lengthening lead times and increasing price. And so we really want to try to get our position in line right now um earlier than sooner than later.

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So, um, our neighbors across the ditch actually did the same process we would for this transformer for the piggyback request. And so, we wouldn't be doing anything differently. That's the nice thing. And, um, the Walker Shaw transformer, they they agreed to honor that price. It's a little bit increased because our spec was slightly different,

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but um, they still gave us a price within that, um, trend, if you will. So, again, we're managing risk right now. We're not relying on the grant. This transformer replaces any one of those three that are aging in 1982 unit that must be retired regardless. So, we're

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not going to change any of our plan. We'll still be able to follow through even if the grant does come not come through. We're mitigating our risk. We're proceeding with the next transform or replacement queue now rather than waiting again just because of the rising prices and lengthening lead times. It

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does not change our ability to complete the grant on time. Um, financially funding for this project is available within the 2020 the FY26 capital improvement budget based on the timing of other planned projects. So, the good news is we won't have to do a budget

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adjustment. Um, the purchase stands on its own merits, replacing the aging 1982 infrastructure and securing manufacturer capacity in a tightening market while keeping the grant fully available if it's awarded. Any questions?

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And by the way, I do have Nick Johnson, substation related engineer, recently got his professional engineer. Congratulations. And Scott Miller, who's substation manager, is just doing a phenomenal job keeping everything in the lights on in uh challenging times. So if they have any if you have any technical

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questions for sure. So >> thank you Mr. Celely. Can I have a motion? I move we approve the purchase of a 138 kilovo kilova kilov volt to 26 of volt 26.4 kilovolt substation transformer utilizing a

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piggyback purchasing method of JA's RFP number 1411282646 with Prolink GE Wish Incorporated. >> Second. That was a good one. We have a motion and a second. We have a couple lights. Mr. Wagner. >> So, uh, I want to start by thanking

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Director Putnham for responding to my question that I asked earlier around just kind of the risk of the strategy related to the grant. And that kind of left me with maybe just a level of question for just make sure I have the right understanding. So, if if the vote

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is approved tonight, we go forward. We have one that takes three years to build. Um, so it's 26, that's 29. And if we get awarded the one in 29, they'll swap the potentially to swap those two out or not. If we don't get awarded, we still have one and 29. Um, but with the three-year lead time, so let's assume we

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get the the grant. So, we have one being built over the next three years, get awarded in 29. That takes three years. That takes us to the end of the 50-year period. When when should council be expecting the third one to come? Would it have come at the after the 50-year

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mark per request or? >> No. So originally it would have been FY28. No, you are correct. FY25 we wanted last year and then 28 and then I believe it's

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Samson after that and 30. So yes, it would be a little bit after that. Now the nice thing is that if we take some of these other transformers out of off surface the idea is we do want to kind of consider looking at any of kind of when you change a tire taking the best one and making it your spare exact same concept. So we do want to review these

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and possibly look at making it a spare. So if we have an issue because of that three-year lead time that would be the plan. >> So that so that's kind of the risk management. Yes. >> Exactly. Good question. Yes sir. >> Thank you Mr. Ragner. Mr. Wowers. Thank you, mayor, and I'm glad you could

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make it. We missed you. Um, the honorable Councilman Jansen had alluded to something, and I'm not sure if I understood his comments correct, but you mentioned AI. Did I hear you say that, Mr. Celely? >> Data Centers. Yes, sir.

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>> Right. And it's it's my understanding they draw a tremendous amount of power. >> Yes. >> Right. And it's I've read in the news where certain municipalities and counties are banning AI centers. Is that a concern for us here at the beaches?

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>> As of now, um Florida's been pretty strongly resistant. There's uh incentives not to build here like hurricanes temperatures because they do require a great deal of cooling and um you you need real estate. Um you need transmission lines close by. So there's not a lot of concern for our community.

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Um I'm not really sure. Again, I think Governor Des Sanchez has had a pretty big stance on against AI. So, there hasn't been a lot of development, but it's more up north where you see cooler temperatures and um farmland to build and convert a lot easier. So, >> I defer to your judgment, but I just

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don't want us to be caught unawares and have things sneak up on us that we didn't anticipate as maybe we've seen in the past. Thank you. >> No, I appreciate that. You're absolutely right. Just to clarify, I think the reason it was brought up in this case is that we are competing nationally to purchase

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>> correct this type of equipment. So even if they may not be happening in in our area or in our state, we're still competing with data centers for transformers or anybody else. >> Personally, I know my hometown in Hobart, Indiana, they the uh Amazon went in there and said, "We'll give the city

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council 45 million to convert a thousand acres of farmland. Just whatever you want to do with it, money." So, and again, they're going to have to have substation redundant transformers and all that. And so, absolutely, they're they're spending big money to get this done quickly. So, >> thank you, Mr. Horn.

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>> You may I I hope you know the answer. Uh the grant we requested or were filing for, how much is that for? What would would that cover off? What's the cost or the return there? This is used 2.3 million. So, >> I'll defer to the experts, Nick and Don. Is it >> 75%.

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>> 75%. >> Okay. >> So So of the total project, 75% would be reimbursed. >> No. Outstanding. I'm just I'm a huge fan request. I'm a huge fan of us getting our tax dollars back from the government because if we don't get our tax dollars and that's for all departments whether

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it be law enforcement whether it be you know public works parks whoever uh just because it's our money and if we don't get the money back or at least try and get it then somebody will spend it on whatever shenanigans they do you know basket weaving for onearmed farmers I don't know whatever the waste of money I'd rather get it for something that

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we're going to use and be appropriate thank you >> thank you absolutely You're gonna wake up the onearmed farmer basket weaver lobby and you're going to get all sorts of emails. Mr. Jansen, >> uh, just real quick, if I'm not

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mistaken, I think the legislation legislator just passed a um a bill that does require any data centers to provide their own energy. Um, so they're on the hook for their own power supplies if I'm not mistaken. So,

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>> Mr. hours. >> I just wanted to quickly thank Councilman Wagner for having his eye on the ball and helping edify myself and anyone else who didn't quite understand it. Thank you. >> Any other questions or comments? Madam

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Clerk, roll call. Council member Golding, >> yes. >> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Wagner, >> yes. >> Council member Waters, >> yes. >> Mayor Hoffman, >> yes. Motion carries. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Okay, it is. We'll give our beaches energy folks a minute to depart. Thank you guys all for being here. Thank you for your hard work. Um we've got uh League of Cities annual conference coming up. So, we've got a couple of um motions associated with that as well as

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with the um policy committees. And I just again want to thank our council for active participation uh in those committees uh council and staff. We've got really good representation I think on every single policy committee. So um appreciate you

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guys putting in the time for that. So we'll start with motion the first motion. >> Yeah. Move we authorize all elected officials to travel to the Florida League of Cities annual conference August 13th through the 15th 2026 in Hollywood, Florida. >> Second. We have a motion and a second.

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Any discussion? Madam clerk, roll call. >> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Wagner, >> yes. >> Council member Wowers, >> yes. >> Council member Golding, >> yes. >> Mayor Hoffman, >> yes. And the next one is to regarding

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the voting delegate and the backup delegate. And I don't think we need to make any nominations. It's traditionally been the mayor and the mayor prom. Um, do you want to just go ahead and make that motion, Mr. Jansen? >> Sure. I move we authorize the following elected officials as the voting delegate and backup delegate at the Florida

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League of Cities annual conference. It would be the mayor and mayor prom. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Madam clerk, roll call. Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Wagman, >> yes. >> Council member Waters, >> yes. >> Council member Golding, >> yes.

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>> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Mayor Hawkman, >> yes. Motion carries. And the next one is regarding uh travel to the League of Cities Policy Committee meetings in Orlando. Um if you want to just flip your lights on if you would like to be included in this motion.

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That is everyone except me. Mr. Jansen, if you want to make that motion. >> Okay. I move we authorize the following elected officials for travel to Florida League Cities Policy Committee meetings in Orlando, Florida. Council member Golding, Councilman Jansen, Councilman

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Wagner, Councilman Walers, Councilman Horn, Councilman Sutton, and Mayor Hoffman. >> Not me. >> Oh, not you. Yeah. >> And city manager has his light on. >> Go ahead. Yeah. I I just wanted to point out there are six lights on, but there's only five policy committees, and the

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Florida League only allows for one person per committee. So, if all six of you go, only five of you are going to be participating. So, so what we what we had discussed was there is the policy or the the education and communication committee that I attend. So, I represent

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two separate committees and that one uh councelor Wilders would would represent us on that committee, right? It's not one of the policies, but it is an active committee at each of the meetings. >> Yeah, I I volunteered based on my discussions with Councilman Wagner as we

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talked about in our briefing. Just wanted to make sure we didn't have a double. >> I mean, if I don't have anything to do, I don't want to go, but I mean, if I can help, I know. I've never gone. So, >> did we get a second on that motion? >> Second. We have a motion and a second.

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Uh, any discussion? Mr. Wagner, lights on. >> Madam clerk, roll call. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Wagner, >> yes. >> Council member Waters, >> yes. >> Council member Golding, >> yes. >> Council member Horn, >> yes. Council member Jansen. >> Yes.

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>> Mayor Hoffman. >> Yes. Um item four. >> I move you authorize all elected officials for travel to the Florida League of Cities Legislative Conference December 3rd and 4th, 2026 in Orlando, Florida. >> Second. We have a motion and a second.

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Mr. Jansen. >> Yeah. Just real quick, I I do want to thank my colleagues on council and mayor. Um, we we have a unified front when it comes to these policy committees and fighting for legislation for our

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city in Jacksonville Beach. And I think I'm I'm very proud to to stand and represent Jacksonville Beach along with my colleagues. It really takes a lot to get over there and fight for what we believe in. And I look around at uh other cities throughout the state and

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nobody shows up like Jacksonville Beach does. So, uh, thank you all for for being committed to a great stalwards of our city. >> Thank you, Mr. Jansen. Madam Clerk, roll call. >> Council member Wagner, >> yes. >> Council member Waters,

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>> yes. >> Council member Golding, >> yes. >> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Mayor Hoffman, >> yes. Motion carries. Thank you. All right. I think Mr. Taylor, you're up.

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>> Good evening, Madame Mayor, council members, administrators. Um, again, Joel Taylor, chief information officer for the city of Jacksonville Beach. I'm here to present two connected initiatives that are essential for the safety and reliability of our water reclamation facility. First, our current network at

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the water reclamation facility is more than 5 years old and was never designed for emission critical utility environment. As our SCADA systems and automation needs grow, the aging network is creating real operational and cyber security risks. Upgrading to an

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enterprise class switching platform will give us the reliability, security, and stability needed to support our essential services now and into the future. The network upgrade is also a prerequisite for the second project, installing a model modern security

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camera system at the water reclamation facility. There are high value, high-risk sites, and cameras provide real-time monitoring, improved safety, regulatory compliance, and crucial visibility during emergencies and incidents. The new camera system depends

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on secure power delivery, traffic separation, and consistent connectivity capabilities. the current network system cannot provide. The new network platform will ensure that the cameras can operate reliability reliably and securely for years to come. From a financial

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perspective, both projects are responsibly managed through respective piggyback agreements and are part of the information services fiscal year 26 capital improvement plan. The network replacement project totals $15,491.51, slightly above the original CIP

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allocation, but fully offset by savings from the camera project. The security camera initiative is significantly underplanned, coming in at $194,4212 against an approved capital improvement plan of $300,000. In short, these two projects work hand

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in hand. The cameras enhance our physical security and the network ensures the technology behind them is stable and secure. Together, they strengthen the resilience of some of the city's most critical infrastructure. I respectfully recommend approval for both of the network and upgrade to camera

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installation. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Taylor. Can I have a motion? >> I move we approve proceeding with the replacement of the network gear and cameras at the water reclamation facility. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Mr. Waters.

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>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um, when I we approved uh or were looking at approving bunch of money for the filters and the tanks, I took a tour which I believe was Mr. Phil, if I remember his name correctly, who I've known over the

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years. Um, I was observed, you guys were showing me the whole facility, and while we were looking at the cameras, they they turned off. They were blinking on and off. they were not functioning properly and I thought that was very concerning. So, I want you to know you have my full support and I hope we can

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move forward on this. Thank you. Thank you. >> Any other questions or comments? Madam Clerk, roll call. >> Council member Wowers, >> yes. >> Council member Golding, >> yes. >> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton,

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>> yes. >> Council member Wagner, >> yes. >> Mayor Hoffman, >> yes. Motion carries. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Taylor. Okay, moving on to our ordinances. Um, we will start with our LDC

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ordinance. Um, Mr. Mr. Pole, do you have any updates for us? >> I do. And once again, uh, oh, thanks to Council Member Golding for pointing out some really, uh, in the weed stuff that

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needed to be addressed. Um so as this is the second reading uh you've seen most of this before and we did make some changes last time. Um the uh biggest change when um we were looking at uh what I thought was

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relatively small change in the commercial business district uh regarding how we deal with um the boardwalk um and allowing buildings to address the boardwalk as their front. Um once I realized the intent from talking to uh the city attorney, it became pretty clear that there were a bunch of

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unintended consequences that ran down the chain. So uh I think we've captured all of them to basically preserve the way we've been treating First Street, but also allowing this additional option um by containing the architectural requirements and facing requirements on

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First Street to maintain that pedestrian design, but also allowing it to exist on the boardwalk as well. So, it's a lot of changes. It's a lot of little changes, but it's intended to sort of make sure that allowing this doesn't cause this. Um,

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the other uh changes. So, um, Council Member Golding pointed out that the footnote that we put in for how we notice um, residents for uh, land use actions doesn't need to redundantly say three feet or 300 feet because it's

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really just referencing the method, not the distance. And I agree with her. There may be a reason at some point that we changed the table above and rather than having to track those as well, we would take that out. And then um the next section is basically directly

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related. So we had put the notification requirement in for uh short-term vacation rentals, but um since it's not a land use action, it's not covered by the previous table. So she suggested we put the same language in for how we

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measure that distance into that section as well. So that's basically what we did with the removal of the distance requirement. So that's the majority of the update. Um I'm assuming you'll have some questions, so I'll be available for those when you need them.

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>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Will you read the ordinance by title, please? An ordinance of the city of Jacksonville Beach, Florida, amending articles 3, 5, 6, and 7 of chapter 34, land development code, providing for legislative

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findings, repeal of conflicting ordinances, severability, scrier's errors, codification, and an effective date. This ordinance for the amendment of the land development code is before this council for a public hearing and consideration on its second reading.

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Under the laws of the state of Florida, an ordinance which changes the actual list of permitted, conditional, or prohibited uses within a zoning category or which otherwise changes the text of the land development code is a legislative proceeding. A legislative proceeding means that a governing body is acting in its rulemaking capacity. It

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is the duty of the council to arrive at sound decisions regarding the use of property within the city. This includes receiving citizen input regarding the proposed uses within the zoning category. The application has been reviewed by the staff and the planning commission for consistency with other portions of the land development code

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and the comprehensive plan. The council may hear from all interested parties in the legislative determination of an amendment to the text of the land development code. I will now open the public hearing on ordinance number 2026-8237. We don't have an applicant in this case. We already heard from staff. I do not

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have any comment cards on this item. Would anyone from the audience like to speak in favor of or against the ordinance? Seeing none, public hearing is closed. May I have a motion? I move we adopt ordinance number 2026-8237 on the second reading amending chapter

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34 land development code articles 3, five, six, and seven. Second. We have a motion and a second before opening the floor for discussion or questions by the council. Please be reminded that our decision will be based on the criteria set forth in the land development code, staff's report, the

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recommendation of the planning commission, and public input at all hearings. We'll open the floor for discussion by councel. Mr. Wowers, you madame mayor, Mr. Papoli, has there been any changes to the side setbacks in

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RM1, RM2 or RS 2 and RS3? >> Side setbacks. I'm under the impression there has been an R in RM2, >> but I may be mistaken as I often am.

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>> It's there's a lot. Don't don't feel bad. Um now we did not make any changes to the setbacks. We simply changed the um lot coverage and impervious service ratio for two-unit town homes. There were no no intended changes in the

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setbacks for that section. >> Thank you, >> Miss Golding. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, first of all, I I want to thank Christian for being so quick with your responses to all of my

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questions and very good thorough responses by the way because um they they help me better understand the proposed changes. So, I do appreciate that. Um, I do want to make a statement. I am a I am a little bit concerned about the process the way this the way this

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has come about in the in in two two particular things. One, uh when we got this agenda packet, it was not obvious what the changes were between our June 1st meeting and tonight's meeting. So to, you know, there was a a

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mention in the memo about there being some additional changes, but in all honesty, I had to go page by page to do a direct comparison to the June 1st ordinance. And so

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that's concerning to me and I I just want to make a statement that I really feel like we need to address this. This needs to we not just for us but for the citizens whenever we have changes like this because these weren't discussed in our previous meeting. So it's all brand

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new to us. I think we need to do a better job of uh explaining the changes but also making those changes obvious. Um and uh I think that was all I was going to say

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about that. Um so you know I I mean after having talked to Mr. Papoli I I feel comfortable with pros changes but there are some things that I still would like to see changed. So um like and and

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I I want to make sure that we don't lose sight of a few things that we discussed in the previous meeting. We did discuss in the previous meeting that we wanted to discuss limited retail how we were going to define that and we kind of forgot to do that in in the meeting last

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in in the last meeting. So I want to make sure we we cover that this meeting. Um, also I want to follow up with the city attorney about the digital sign concern that was raised by Mr. um, Delo.

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I know you did some research um, since the last meeting. So, just wanted to ask you to please share that with us. And then I have another change that I wanted to to bring up as well. But we'll go ahead and cover the digital sign

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research that you did. Sure, I'd be happy to. Um, yes. In response to council discussion two weeks ago, um, this relates specifically to page 30 of 32 under section 21 of the ordinance. The proposed changes to

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34755X, new paragraph 2 saying, "Changeable copy signs strictly for governmental use, owned and operated by the city to serve the public, may change message or copy once every three minutes. Contrast that with the previous section where all

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other signs are once every 24 hours. So, I did conduct the research um as I said I would and um very interesting case out of out of Florida and I I know I sound like a nerdy attorney saying that, but it was actually a very interesting case. uh

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came out in 2015 and uh they had they they adopted what had just come out earlier that year up in Atlanta in the 11th circuit and that was that um pardon me they this was the 11th circuit adopting another a supreme court president from that year that in 2015

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the supreme court found that the free speech clause of the first amendment does not regulate government speech. It does restrict government regulation of private speech but it doesn't apply to government speech. So therefore, we are perfectly within our means and is it is

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permissible if we want to allow government signage to be able to change more frequently. That is not a violation in any way of the first amendment. So it's perfectly permissible. So as a result, I recommend leaving the exact language in there the same as it was at the first reading. Thank you.

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>> Okay. Thank you, David. I appreciate that. >> Um the other thing I wanted to bring up, and I talked to Mr. about this and this is um on page 15 of 32 in the ordinance

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um subsection B building facade where we're adding the sentence no blank excuse me I have a little note here and I can't see it no blank unadorned walls shall be allowed along first street and my question there was okay how do we

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define unadorned And um Mr. Papoli mentioned that we probably should reference um section subsection 7G. That's and if it's not in this ordinance

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that we have before us, but if you had the LDC, you would see it. Um and I have it. And it basically provides um criteria or general design features that all buildings shall utilize at

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least three of the following design features to provide visual relief along all street facing elevations of the building. And then it lists several things that um three three of which could be chosen to

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make sure that the the building is not just a blank wall. And so I think it would it would be good for us to just add that clarification or the reference

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to that section. Um I would move that we amend section 34-623 F7G to read, no blank unadorned walls shall be allowed along First Street. Buildings

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must utilize the general requirements um or excuse me must utilize at least three design features in subsection 7G for any design feature other than varied roof

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lines and copas and Mr. Sorry, I'll just >> second. >> We have a motion to amend and a second. Discussion on the amend proposed amendment. >> I have one question. >> Do in the beginning of your um motion, what code section did you reference?

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>> I said 34 623 F7G. >> Okay. And those >> or sorry F7 B >> B. Sorry, I apologize.

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Okay, perfect. Thank you. >> And I guess could you just maybe just explain because I know when you and I were talking out of the list of things the three the three design or the design features you suggested that we exclude

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roof lines and and koopas. So just a brief uh background on this. Those design features are intended to focus the design of the building along First Street and ensure that it is uh pedestrian oriented, pedestrian friendly

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and has a degree of variation from story to story to make sure it's not just the standard monolith of a building. Um the this applies to the entire district but particularly along uh those noted

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streets in the beginning. Um that is a pedestrian centered area. It's the same area that we exempted the parking from. Um my only concern with the way the code currently is written just for that area is that it's such an enclosed space. were encouraging awnings and things like

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that that things like changes in roof line and copas aren't going to be visible or really make much of an impact. So my thought process at least was for this this section here that's referenced would be uh basically just those elements taken out and then any of

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those three should be able to provide that uh characterization of the property for pedestrian experience. Um, there are other elements built into this that require some things to be done naturally and so awnings and shade structures and

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things like that. Um, window height, those are all also covered, but these are specific to that area. And then this would basically ensure that if you're fronting on the boardwalk, your rear, so to speak, would also be of a similar design to make sure we don't lose that

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corridor along first. >> Okay. Yeah, thank you. And and I don't know if everybody got the email, but you put some really good examples of Margaritavville and um

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>> Springville >> Spring Hill Suites. Yes. To show the difference. Uh so >> I think I think everybody was for those. >> Did everybody get that? Okay. Okay. And and I'm I was glad to see that because I think we definitely want to see something more like Spring Hill

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Suites as opposed to just the flat wall that you see at Margaritavville. So, thank you. I appreciate that. >> Any other comments on the motion to amend? Madame Clerk, roll call. >> Council member Golding,

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>> yes. >> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. Council member Wagner, >> yes. >> Council member Waters, >> yes. >> Mayor Hoffman, >> yes. Amendment passes back to the original motion, Miss Golding.

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>> And I believe, do we also need to amend the ordinance per the changes that are outlined in this in the June 15th memo? >> Yes. >> Many changes pass by us, which includes this whole section. So, I would also

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like to I'd like to make a motion to amend the ordinance with the changes as outlined by Mr. Pulley in the June 15th memo. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Madam clerk, roll call.

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>> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Wagner, >> yes. >> Council member Wowers, >> yes. >> Council member Golding, >> yes. Mayor Hogman. >> Yes. Motion carries. Any other comments,

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Miss Golding? >> Um, I'd like for us to discuss what what is limited retail? I wasn't going to forget it this time. Do you have any thoughts on that, Mr. Polei? >> So, I had gone back and listened to the

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audio from the briefing and there was generally a consensus. we were talking about some kind of small rack of things for sale. There wasn't really a clear drill down on what that would be. Um I think the intent is that like most merchants there are, you know, racks of clothes or purses or something that they

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want to put out. Um but I think we could probably tie it to some specific categories or maybe a size of the rack or square footage or something like that, but um I don't know that there's a good way to specifically define what the retail items will be. So, it's really

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kind of a you can't define everything. So, you keep kind of general, but if you have some concerns about limitation, there is a total square footage that's limited on all of these outdoor uh displays. And um if you want anything more detailed or more restrictive, we

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can explore some options. As far as like what limited retail means though, I don't know that that's a exhaustive or productive conversation to really get at the individual thing. I'm a little bit concerned about opening that box and having limited retail

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without it being better defined. And if we if we aren't comfortable with coming up with a definition tonight, I would be willing to remove it for now and then we can add it in later. >> I I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. So,

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I would I'm not sure what section. Let me find that section again. Well, you're looking for that. I I will say that I would support keeping it in at this point. We've had enough call from our um business owners um that are really

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trying to find a way to better advertise and promote their businesses. And I think that this is in response to that. I think it would be really hard to define it. It's I mean we we know it when we see it, which is not how the land development code should be applied, but I think that this is one that we

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need to watch um for potential adjustments, but I do think that we need to to give our business owners a reasonable accommodation for advertising their their goods out, you know, outside. They're limited by the by their storefrontage, by the sidewalks, by handicap access, all of these things.

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So, um I I think this is something that we need to to have some flexibility on. And a bunch of lights are on now. I'm not sure who came on first, but I'll go with Mr. Wagner. >> Yeah. Um just want to show my support for your comments. I think they're right

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on. And you know, I think opportunities for us to be pro business in our community should be seized. um you know we implement something like this and we see through uh a year of experience that there's there's some way to make you know there's something that's

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unanticipated that we can address we can address it then but I'd sure hate to forego the opportunity for businesses in these difficult times to uh to to to survive and do better um because we can't you know define it. I think it, you

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know, they're only going to sell what they carry. So, >> thank you, Mr. Wagner. Mr. Jansen. >> Yeah. So, I I I think Council Member Golding has some good points as far as the definitions are concerned. However,

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I would also say this just as a reminder that we review this annually. So, we do have an opportunity to see which direction this goes and if it ends up being a problem, you know, somewhere along the lines and we certainly can address it. Um, city attorney, this is also something that we could address in

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the interim if it came to be a real problem. Or are we kind of handcuffed to the annual review? >> You all could review this as often as you'd like. So, it's not limited to once a year. >> Thank you. So, that's the point I was

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trying to make there was just that if it really becomes a problem, we certainly could address it. But I would recommend just keep it in there for now and then if we see a need to tighten it up by definition, we certainly can do that. >> Thank you, Mr. Jansen. Mr. Wowers. >> Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to ask Mr.

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Papoli a quick question related to this discussion, and that is it has been my experience that the planning director and code enforcement have wide latitude in interpreting this code. However, they

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their judgment wherever their judgment leads them. Is is that true? >> I mean, to an extent that there's limitations and there are, you know, other elements written to the code that help with generally defined terms versus specifically defined terms. So, there are reference points that would guide

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them. >> But just to be clear, they do have wide power here to interpret this and imply it as they see. >> I would say they have some power. I don't wouldn't say wide power. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Golding.

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>> Um, so Christian, just a just a question. So if a smoke shop wanted to put stuff out in front of their shop, would that be considered limited retail? >> I think it would depend on what it is.

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There are some state and federal regulations on how you can display certain items and where they have to be as far as like access to minors and things like that. So actual, you know, consumable products might not be able to be put out there. Um, if it's, you know, cigar cutters and humidor boxes or other

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things like that potentially. Um, but that would really be a we'd have to look at what it is and then what the potential implications would be, which is, yeah, I mean, in essence, that they shouldn't be able to put actual tobacco products out for display on the street, but they might be able to put out any of

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their other other products. And just as a comment, there are restrictions in here, but those are applied generally to all of these items. If you think that there is a restriction that would help with this in some way to, you know, smooth out the decision, we can certainly put some other details

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in this as well because right now it basically limits it to the storefront and no more than 200 square feet plus all the ADA sidewalk issues. So that's really the the limitation. It has to go out go in at the end of business hours. signal at the beginning of business

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hours. >> Okay. I I'm I'm willing to um to see how things go. Um given the given the option that we can address this if we feel that there's a problem. Um, I

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just I just want us to be careful about what we are allowing to be um out in front of the businesses. >> Mr. Sutton, >> uh, yeah, this is a tough one um because we can't call out everything for every

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sort of business. Um, and you don't want it to get out of hand. Um, so I, yeah, I'm sort of with Councilwoman Golding willing to move forward with it, but I would like, um,

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for the the planning department along with possibly um, council to begin working on something now um that would sort of define, you know, some criteria around this as to whether, you know,

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it's going to have to be pretty general. to cover all retail, but you know, I don't know, may maybe something along the lines of goods that are normally sold at that business and maybe not to exceed a

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certain number of categories of items. I don't know what all it could be, but um I'm sure we can, you know, create something that would at least put some guard rails around it to a degree. So, >> and I concur with the city attorney. You can adjust your code at any point in

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time, however many times you like, you know, linking to how many staff hours we have. But practically speaking, if this doesn't work or if we want to look at it and come back in a couple months with some ideas, absolutely do. >> Well, I'm asking for some work to be

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done around a recommendation. >> Mr. Wagner, sorry. Sorry to revisit, but um just kind of piggybacking off councelor Sutton's comments and kind digesting councelor Golding's m maybe the solution isn't to

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define everything that could be but to define the things we specifically don't want. I mean for example, you know, alcohol, firearms, and tobacco and things like that, you know, like things probably a bad idea. um maybe a shorter

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easier list to a identify and b to reinfor and to enforce >> items. Yeah, you're trying to define beauty because it's, you know, it's a little more difficult. But I think we all know what we don't want probably within some give or take. Um and that

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may be an easier way to come up with something that we would all feel really good about. and this year or some time period between now and then would would probably allow us a little bit of kind of testing and seeing what what folks are willing to do trying to do. So, and

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I think that kind of sounds to me like it kind of addresses everybody's thoughts, but maybe not in the exact same timing. I'm also fine with looking at this and keeping an eye on it and seeing if we can come up with some reasonable um guidelines here, but I don't think we

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need to duplicate the things that already would be prohibited by law from being out front. You cannot put a cooler of beer out front of your store. And I'm glad we have some police officers here nodding in the background. So, there's controlled items that you cannot put out

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for that that cannot be self-s served that are is not up to us. that is up to state and federal law. So we don't need to define we don't need to further define that because that is something that we are going to have to then keep up with any changes there. So I think anytime we put something specific in

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here we open ourselves up to you know there's a can of worms of what well we can't limit this but we can limit that and we're having to pick and choose which retailers um we want to allow to do this. The other thing is these store owners are are going to have to watch

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shoplifting, shrinkage, damage, weather. There's so many limitations here to what they would be willing to even put out front um that I think that that's going to be self- selective, too, as well as um the entities that even have the space

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to do it or the space within their control. And I just remember how big of an uproar everyone got about Home Depot putting plants outside and now it would look crazy if there weren't a million plants and trees and mulch and everything outside of Home Depot. So,

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um, so I think that's the kind of thing, you know, stores putting out things that they would like to let the community know they're selling. I don't know how to define that. I don't know if we're going to be able to find a way to define it. I do agree that we should keep an eye on it. Are there any other questions from council?

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>> If I can just one second just I know we have briefings pretty much scheduled through September, but maybe this is something that could go on a briefing which basically be after the summer where we might have some data to work with. >> Any other comments? We have Mr. Roberts.

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>> Thank you. I'm still, you know, learning the procedure here. After if we close this discussion, are we going right to the vote? Okay. Well, I did want to take this opportunity to thank Councilwoman Golden for mentioning the difficulty in understanding what the old code was

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versus the the changes because when this code first came out, there was it was a monumental task to truly understand all the changes that took place because they were wary there were so many.

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So, I'm glad we we should be keeping an eye on the LDC and thank you for doing that. >> Thank you, Mr. Waters. Any other comments from council? >> Madam Clerk, roll call. Council member Jansen, >> yes. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Wagner, >> yes.

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>> Council member Wowers, >> no. >> Council member Golding, >> yes. >> Council member Horn, >> yes. >> Mayor Hoffman, >> yes. Motion carries. Thank you, Mr. Papoli. We appreciate your work and we will see you again every month when we're going to revise the land development code again. >> Sounds excellent.

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>> Just kidding. I'm not I might not be kidding. I don't know. We'll see. Uh all right. Moving on to uh item ordinance B. We have uh a food truck related ordinance. And I think we're going to hear from Mr. Migot on this one.

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>> Council, you all discussed this at a recent briefing. Uh presently our food truck um ordinance states that food dispensing vehicles must be removed from their approved locations during impermissible hours of

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operation. Uh you you had a detailed discussion as to why that might uh be extended to allow certain trucks uh to be able to stay up to six nights. And when I say certain, it would be um only those vehicles who sell only prepackaged

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food, not have all necessary support equipment located in the unit with property owner permission and documentation of that. They could stay up to six consecutive nights is what's proposed. After which time they would have to be the food truck would have to be removed from that piece of property

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for a minimum of one night. Uh and that one additional requirement is that permission documentation that permission would have to be updated with the city at least once a year. So very minor change. You all discuss this, but I'd be happy to answer any questions uh

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regarding this. This is the first reading of this ordinance. >> Thank you, Mr. Migot. Madam Clerk, will you read the ordinance by title? An ordinance of the city of Jacksonville Beach, Florida, amending chapter 12, streets, food, and food products,

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section 12-33, hours of operation, signage, and noise to provide an exemption for overnight parking for mobile food dispensing vehicles, providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances, separability,

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cotification, and an effective date. Thank you, Madam Clerk. This ordinance is before the council for a public hearing and consideration on its first reading. I will now open the public hearing on ordinance number 2026-8238. We have already heard from city attorney

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and we have discussed uh this item a couple of times in briefings. I don't have any speaker cards. Does anyone from the audience wish to speak in favor of or in opposition to this ordinance? Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing and request a motion. I move we

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approve ordinance number 2026-8238 on the first reading amending chapter 12 streets food and food products section 12-33 subsection 3 hours of operation signage and noise to provide an exemption for overnight parking for mobile food

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dispensing vehicles and schedule a second reading for July 20th 2026. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion from council? As I mentioned, we have talked about this a couple of times in briefings. Uh, so we've had a good opportunity to

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discuss and thank you, Mr. City Attorney, for uh, coming up with what seems to be pretty reasonable solution. Mr. Wowers, >> I just wanted to ask the honorable Councilman Horn, to explain the genesis of this idea. I guess I put my This was brought to me

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by um somebody who had some concerns about um the fact that our local ordinances similar to what we were discussing a few minutes ago are a little bit more restrictive than what the rules are at the state level. And so as I brought this out is the goal was to make our ordinance more in line with the

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state ordinances and the state rules uh specifically again uh supporting it with small local businesses. Uh that's where we are. >> Thank you. I just wanted to get that on the record and say you have my full support. Thank you, >> Mr. Horn.

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>> I just want to say thank you all council for, you know, just being willing to listen and um again support small local businesses. Thank you all. >> Any other questions or comments? Madam Clerk, roll call. >> Council member Sutton, >> yes. >> Council member Wagner, >> yes. >> Council member Waters, >> yes.

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>> Council member Golding, >> yes. >> Council member Horn, >> yes. Council member Jansen. >> Yes. >> Mayor Hoffman. >> Yes. Motion carries. All right. I made it through. It was a rocky start, but we did it, guys. Thank you all uh for being here this

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evening. Can I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Move to adjurnn. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries.