Testing, testing, testing. Testing. Testing. Can you hear that? Okay. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Um, I'd like to welcome you to the um Jacksonville Beach Community Redevelopment Agency regular meeting.
This is Monday, August 25th, 2025. It's 3 pm. Uh, clerk, would you please call the role? Gerrard Pat here. Ron Whittington here. Megan Edwards
here. Fa Mosley here. Kevin Meyers here. Sydney Talcott here. Marcus Campy here. Fantastic. We have the the whole board here this afternoon.
The uh first item on our agenda is the courtesy of the floor to visitors. I have not seen any specific requests for addressing the board. So, we'll just move on to the uh next agenda item, which is approval of meeting minutes.
The first approval is for the March 12th, 2025 workshop minutes. Are there any comments, additions, corrections to those meeting minutes? Seeing none, um just by voice vote, all
of those in favor of approving say I. I. I. Opposed? That passes. Um item B is the July 28th, 2025 regular meeting minutes.
Are there any changes, corrections, modifications? Seeing that there are none, again just by voice vote. Um if you're approve the meeting minutes, please say I. I. Opposed.
The meeting minutes are approved. We'll move on to our first old business item, which is the facade grant program uh fiscal 2026. I know that staff has been working on this and making modifications and
changes based on some earlier discussions by the board and um comments made. So, I think I will turn this over to Taylor and let you fill us in a little bit more. Sure. Um not too terribly much um to
fill you guys in on. We took some of the changes from our last meeting where we discussed this. Um, and quite frankly, there weren't too many things to implement. So, that was good. That means we're all obviously doing something right. Everyone's pretty much staying on the same page consistently. Uh, a couple
of things I will point your attention to. On the second page of the actual grant application, there's a couple of new little bits of information. We did add at the very beginning that this would be reviewed on quarterly dates. Um it is a little unique doing quarterly
because of where our fiscal year falls. So that September meeting is kind of before it would technically hit quarterly, but if we waited, we wouldn't actually be reviewing quarterly because it would be in the next fiscal year. Um and obviously we're going to put in there those dates are always subject to change. Something happens, we have to
move a meeting, but just the purpose of this was letting applicants know they're not going to be reviewed at every single meeting. Um, and we talked again still about that new reimbursement process. It kind of just sets the stage and gives staff and the applicant. Quite frankly,
it kind of holds everybody to a timeline. Uh, we haven't had too many issues with that, but we just want to make sure that got in there. Uh, we did make sure that we specified mural or other exterior art. Um, so those are
acceptable uses. Um, and then pretty much everything else um stayed the same. Uh, the ROI evaluation criteria, we had, like I said, just a couple of, um, minor changes to that just with the wording of some stuff. Uh, if we miss something,
please let me know because that is could very well happen. I did go back and try and listen to the meeting and make sure I caught everything. Um, so yeah, um, happy to answer any questions. I'll open it up to the board if there are any questions. Um, please let me know that.
Uh, didn't we discuss andor decide to limit the amount to $50,000? Yes, we did. I didn't hear you mention that. It was It's in here. I think I just on accident glazed over that, but it is limited to
$50,000. I do know that that is in here. Thank you. I think I see calling the attention to that in the document. I Yeah, it's somewhere. I promise. Um, thank you. Yes. So, it uh references
that the new max will be only $50,000. Oh, there we go. My paper clip was hiding it. That's why I missed it. Okay. Anybody else? Any thoughts, comments? Um are you looking for approval on the uh facade grant program
changes and so forth? Yes sir, we are. Uh so we would be seeking um a motion to approve um and then a vote and then understanding that we will be officially implementing these changes October one with the new fiscal year. Okay,
with that uh the chair will entertain a motion to approve. I just had a quick Okay, I will backtrack a moment here. Sydney, go ahead. I'm sorry. This isn't a specific or this wouldn't influence a vote, but um just a note. Um
I I'm sure you are already tracking the applications like in tons of detail. Um, but I would be curious as we continue on with this program if the nature of the applications would give us any useful information about like potential future
programs or things like that just to get some awareness of the types of things that folks local business owners are are wanting to change about their their space. Yeah, absolutely. And I think a little bit doing that, even just in the really realistically really two full years of
doing this, I think we were able to make the conscious decision to lower that full amount to 50,000 um because of what we've been seeing. Um but yes, I think continuing to track that because it could come a day where we go, you know what, 50,000's been great. Maybe we go to 30 because the projects are not these
massive full scale. you know, if we start seeing more new structures, we're not going to need to have these giant amounts and we can kind of scale back and then put funds in other um areas. So, yes, we will definitely stay on top of that. Awesome. Thank you. Again, the chair will entertain a motion
on this item. Motion to approve the facade grant program improvements. Second. We have a motion and a second. Uh clerk, if you would by roll call, vote, please. Ron Whittington,
yes. Megan Edwards, yes. Dad Mosley, yes. Kevin Meyers, yes. Gerard Pat, yes. Let us move on to the next item on the under old business, which is resolution
number 2025-04. And um sorry, I can't get to that page quickly enough, but uh that's okay. I'll let you fill us. Uh happy to. So I told you guys at some point this would make its way back. We did not know when, we did not know how, but it would
eventually come back to you. Uh so what we have brought back is again uh the verbiage of the resolution um has not changed and adding it to the downtown project chart on page 17 of the overall downtown plan. That has not changed.
What we did also add was um a little memo I worked on with the city attorney just kind of discussing chapter 163 and how preserving certain aspects of the life saving station do fall within uh the statute. And this is you know just I
know sometimes when we're adding things to a plan it kind of can get a little serious and what are we actually approving and what's happening and just you know just to make sure everyone's on the same page. Um adding it to the plan does not commit us. It does not mean tomorrow we're going to be now forced
you got to go do this project. Um this is not approving any plans. This is not approving any we haven't even we don't have funding allocated. This is just getting ahead of things and that should it come up where okay now we're at a place where we've got additional funding in a future fiscal year and we do want
to be able to preserve X Y and Z, we're able to do it. Um I'm happy to answer any questions. Uh if you have questions about the law specifically, I will answer what I can, but I will likely defer to the city attorney because I do
not like speaking to the law, but uh I can answer kind of high level things on that. So I'll open it up for uh discussion by the board. Uh then um just one question. Um, did
Jacksonville, Big Jacksonville, not Little Jacks Beach, ever make any progress on their initial u move toward providing some funding for the lifeguard station? Yes. Yep. COJ did, I believe it came in at what 1.1 million for initial
improvements. Those improvements statutoily will have to be it'll have to be a completely separate project than what we do. So, if the city is looking to, let's say, work on the inside of the building that needs interior rehab, and they use those funds, uh, per the statute, chapter 163, you cannot have a
city capital improvement project and a redevelopment agency capital improvement project that are the same. It has to come off for three years. And when we sat down and discussed this, it was understood that what the city would be doing would not be the same project. So, it's not like they're going to start some rehab and then expect us to take
over. Um, and that was another conversation with the city attorney is that if the CRA would ever step in, it would have to be above and beyond what the city would have and has done and it would have to be for much greater historic preservation. Do we have a direct contact or an
interface with the city to keep coordinated on this as they go forward? Yep. And you're in touch with him yourself or someone else? Uh, no. I go through the city manager. this I work through our city manager through our administration office here and and he deals directly with someone in Big
Jacks him and I believe our CFO. Okay. So, please keep an eye on that because it'll be interesting to see where they spend their money and at some point in time that'll have a lot to do with how we spend some money. Yep. Thank you.
Kevin, just one clarifying question there. Is that budget annual or is that a one time? One time. Okay. From COJ. Yeah, that's a onetime thing. Okay. Thank you. Any other comments from the board?
Um Taylor, if I understood you correctly, you said that this was reviewed by the attorneys and so forth and that was the kind of the legal description that we were given was was back from the attorneys and so forth. Yes, sir. Great. Great. Um, I I just want to add
that um this is only one of two historic projects in the in the uh city of Jacksonville Beach. And um I personally support moving forward and providing the assistance necessary to renovate this
building because it is one of only two uh historic buildings that are on the historic register. So, I think this is an important um aspect for the city and something that we should maintain and um I I fully support it. Um
if there are no other comments, are you going to be looking for approval on this item? Um yes, sir. So, since this one is a resolution, uh same as the last, just a motion uh and then a second and then a roll call, please. Okay. So, with that, uh, the chair will
entertain a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the CRA resolution number 2025-404. I'll second it. We have a motion in a second. Um, clerk, if you would please, we would uh do this
by roll call. Megan Edwards, yes. Dad Mosley, yes. Kevin Meyers, yes. Ron Whittington, yes. Gard Patel, yes. Great. Um, and Mr. Chair, if we could, uh,
staff would like to throw a surprise at you guys for old business. Is that all right if we add an item in? What? I know. I know. It's it's it's a surp you know, it's more of an item for discussion, but it's an old business item. So, we if if that is all right
with you, we would like to add one more thing. Go ahead. Um, Madame Clerk, could we please pull up the PowerPoint? See, this is when I don't like sitting down here because I don't like Jod's got it. I know she does. Okay, so this one is a little bit of
fun. Um, we have got one public restroom mural that is almost done. And once again, kudos to art committee. Um, I'll be honest, I have attended several different workshops. I've spoke at workshops on public art. I've been very involved.
I've had actually other cities now hear the success of our program truly and have called us asking for our SOP and our bylaws how we've done it. Um, and I've heard before not great stories on public art and working with artists and I can honestly say every single artist
we have worked with have been absolutely phenomenal. Um, so we are very fortunate to continue this program. Uh, we have got funding still left in this year's budget. So this does not even require really any approval. Uh we went to the art committee last month with or last
week actually with two local artists uh one from Atlantic Beach, one from J Beach that both submitted for the peer bathroom call. We I think we kind of briefed everyone. We would like to do this because of how public art is viewed in the state statute. It is um exempt from traditional procurement. So you can
actually just go straight to an artist and commission a piece. You don't have to issue a call. We've always done that because we felt it was best to kind of build a a book of artists. Um, we always knew we wanted to do the other bathroom. So, we would like to recommend uh allowing staff to coordinate with Grace
Seymour from Atlantic Beach. The budget for the oceanfront park restrooms would be $12,000. That is again based on math criteria taking the about $200 a square foot is usually what we put it at. That's where this number puts us. This was her submission for the pure
restroom. we would keep the same artwork and request that she just update her renderings and put this around the oceanfront park bathroom. Couple of reasons. Uh the art committee felt this one was appropriate for down there was the pier used to be at Oceanfront Park and this um piece of work shows the pier. We thought that was really cool to
kind of pay tribute to what used to be there. The style is very uh it stays within the embrace the beach life theme. It's very beachy, but it's a very unique style of painting that we have not done yet. It's got kind of a different flare to it and it's I hate that it's hard to see on this, but one of the end caps is
really cool. It is actually a jaguar laying on the beach. Um thought that was kind of cool to bring some of downtown out to the beaches. And then uh Sean Bono, who is actually a Jacksonville Beach, Florida resident, we would like to call him and work with him and see if he would be interested in
doing the second a restrooms. Uh if you have been to Beach Bowl, then you are familiar with his work. He did the interior and exterior beach bowl. And we thought this was pretty unique. It would be two surfers on both end caps of the second a. And then on the side that faces the actual end zone, uh it would
be this sunset mural. And the restroom side would be a plane actually pulling a banner like you'll see out over the beach. Um these were what the art committee selected out of the pool of local applicants. Um, and so we wanted to bring these to you today to see if
the agency is in consensus with us working with those artists to see if they're interested. Um, to be very clear, we have not reached out to them yet. Just we did not want to do that prior to getting approval. Um, and if so, then we would coordinate with them and see how soon they could get started. So, we were we're happy to hear any
feedback discussion. Like I said, I know it's a little hard because these images are on the pure restroom, but we're not seeking them to redo any designs. We want to use the designs they submitted and just put them on the corresponding um bathrooms. So, comments and questions from the board.
Um, first I didn't mean to chuckle. I guess this predated me because I thought you were going to show us art inside the restroom. So, I was glad glad we didn't see that. I mean, I can get some of that meeting if that's what you want to see. I don't think that'd be wise, but might be a little scary,
but I but the these look I I think they're they're very very nice. Yeah. So, and it's a chance to feature um yeah, more local artists. We've we've received a lot of good feedback from folks on not only the artwork at the pier, but just again that it was someone local. Um the
community really liked that. So, we were really happy to find some other ones. And the way we got to this point with these two, we took on Thursday to the art committee. We went back and I keep all their rubrics. They always laugh at me that I take them, but this is why I then was able to go back to and they scored every local mural and I pulled
the top five um across the art committee and brought them to their meeting Thursday and said, "Okay, these are your top five. Pick your favorite two." Um and they were able to rescore and again unanimously come to um two artists. The other question would be if we I guess you're seeking approval today. If
we approve, what's the time frame on installation? I'm gonna be blunt. I have no idea. I have not spoken to either of these artists. Um, we were just using their work that they had already submitted. And both artists in their bios when they submitted or in their letters of intent, if you will, said, you know, we're very
interested to work with the city. So, they were very open, it seemed, to doing murals on other buildings. So, if they were to receive approval, then first thing in the morning, I would call um both artists and get a meeting with them, figure out what their timeline, and then update you guys as well as the
art committee on, okay, this artist believes they can start this date, and this is their timeline. Um, but just right now, I have no idea. And you said this is the fellow that did the creative on Beachville. This is the artist who did Beach Bowl. Yes. All right. Thank you. And he is a Jacksonville Beach U local,
Marcus What is the art budget as a whole for 2025? 300,000. Okay. Um, what kind of parameters will we put up
potentially for others that would maybe want to graffiti it? I mean, you mean like somebody coming and like truly just tagging it? I can say we've had murals now for almost three years and we've not had one tagged. Beautiful name.
And you know to be fair to be fair it knock on wood. God please don't let it happen tonight now that I've just said that and jinxed us. Um but uh another class that we've taken and I've you know worked with our cape department on is step which is crime prevention through environmental design. And there's been
studies where it shows you know you put public art up you put murals up it actually deters graffiti and tagging. Um, knock on wood again. So far, we have not had a single issue with that. Yeah, it was uh very nice the way they incorporated the graffiti on the back of the pure park.
Well, we we said, you know, do you need us to clean it off? And he was like, no, my paint will go right over it. Don't worry about it. And so, it was kind of interesting to watch as the days went by. I'm like, that is not And then one day it just disappeared. And I'm all right. Trust the artist. He knew what he was doing.
Um, just back to Ron's point. Um, when you do talk to the artists, of course, if you're not comfortable with the timeline that they can provide, Absolutely. I would come back to you guys. You handle it. Yep. Yes, sir. Then you handle it. Okay. Happy to. You know, I'm trying to be realistic
that they're not available for six months. I doubt it. Absolutely. Yeah. If somebody came and said, "Hey, this is great, but I can't start on it until June." Like, okay, that's really to Ron's point, I'm asking you to Yep. I will make sure we take care of that. We won't uh we won't commission
something that someone can't start on for months and months and months. Super duper. Thank you so much. Of course. Megan, I had a I guess to Ron's point about the actual condition of the restrooms. Um where are they at? Because it starts to
feel a little we're dressing up all the outside and not doing So these will these will fall in line just like we kind of did at the pier where those two restrooms are both slated now for the interior upgrades that we did at the pier. So, they'll get the new floor coating, new paint, they'll clean up sinks and mirrors, if they cannot be cleaned, we'll have to
replace them like we've had to do on a few. Um, so as we're moving down the line and doing the interior improvements, we'll simultaneously work on the exterior. Okay. So, these will be hand in hand. You said simultaneously. So, it's not the restroom six months down the road. Yes. Necessarily. Okay. And if you haven't been in the pier, I'm
be really honest, I um was afraid of those bathrooms for a hot minute and they look a lot better. Yeah, they look great. I mean, they're listen, they're still a beach public bathroom. So, like, we're not we're not the Ritz Carlton here, but they look great. They're clean. They function. It's a lot. That's all people are looking for. I think it's just clean and functioning, but they're not even doing that. And
then we're just painting the outside. Like, what the heck's going on here? I just the bathroom. I care less. We replaced um several lights at the pier. Once we got in there, we realized a lot of the lights weren't working. So, kudos to our parks department. They really helped with the interior improvements there. Um and they are leaps and bounds better than they were.
Okay. And then I have because I always have to ask about this is the maintenance with it. I know typically the artist will leave behind extra paint, right? And then who is the actual person? It's not the artist. I understand it can be because these are local. So like our local artist that's doing the pier right now. He said look if if
something gets damaged or messed up or scraped like just call me. I'll come in. I would think they'd want to. Right. So with local um usually it's the artist. If they're not local uh it's me. No, I'm just kidding. Um, it's someone in our maintenance department or if I got to, I can take a paintbrush and fill
in where we need to. But with the local team, we prefer and we do ask that like, hey, is that generally have you had responsiveness from the artists, like once they do the art, we pay them and then later down the road if you say, "Hey, can you come touch us?" Granted, it's not a massive thing or what's the
first step? Is it to go to the artist or is it to go with? Yeah. Well, with um like Seawalk Pavilion, for example, because that was Stuckco damage and actual like chunks missing, we still had the paint left over and we had art committee members that were familiar with having to repair things. So, we kind of made a team
effort and it was actually our maintenance crews that helped to fix that because it wasn't a super intricate detail. Uh on the pier restroom, if something happens, I will call the artist who lives in Atlantic Beach and he will be happy to come down and fix whatever. Um I haven't spoken to these two, but I would bet that they would be
the same. So, with these three, I would call the artist first before we would try to do anything. And if for some reason they say, "I can't do it," or, "Yeah, yeah, I I'm out of town," or whatever the case may be, do we then involve the art committee to say, "Yeah, I mean, and suggestions, some of
them, I mean, will come in and do it." Yeah. We've literally had committee members be like, "I can touch that up, no problem." Oh, great. Um, we've had just kind of even miscellaneous, actually, things throughout the city that aren't even necessarily art. They're like, "I know how to fix that. Let me like explain." and and honestly they're a great resource. Like I can't say enough good
generally aren't having issue with keeping it up with the artists and all that. Okay. Knock on wood. No, we have not yet. Sure. And is it possible if any of them come back and say, "Yeah, 12,000 isn't appropriate or it needs to be more then we'll address it then." Right.
We could. Yeah. I mean, again, usually our our numbers have been pretty good and pretty spot on because we're pretty much right in the national average, like almost dead center at 20 a square foot. So, um, thus far with any of our projects, we have not received any feedback that it wasn't sufficient funding. Most artists have said, "No, this is exactly what we would expect for
this size." Um, if that ever does happen, then we would just reevaluate our formula and try and figure out what works best. Sure. Okay. Thanks, T. To that point, they submitted these applications at that same pricing level, right?
Pretty much. I mean, it was $20 a square foot. Yeah. That it would have been right there. So, yeah. Okay. So, these are both a little bit smaller, but it's the exact same math. Yep. Okay. So, thank you. Uhhuh. Just a couple of comments for me. I totally agree with Megan's comment about
making sure that we're putting forth the dollars necessary on the interior as well as the exterior. whatever we need to do to improve them. Um I'm full support of uh of doing that because it makes a amazing impression on
people on you know what this community is and uh what we're all about just by the quality of our bathroom. So yeah, um the only thing I would ask I see us, you know, that makes sense to approve
and maybe move forward, but before we finalize things in reference to the design, I'd like to see some similar sketches for those specific um bathrooms that they're going to be working on. Um the ones down in Oceanfront Park are a
little bit different. It's almost a square versus a long rectangular structure. this um I'm not sure what's on the back of 2nd Avenue North up to um you can't even hard you can't get to it or see it back you can't see it or
really even access it. It backs right up to the property line with the hotel next door and the way the landscaping is and their fencing um after looking at it we just couldn't justify painting the back of that um because I mean that's a big dollar amount for a building that long.
So the second a would be three sides. So like this would be the two ends and then the front and the back would just get a fresh coat of the cream color paint that the building is because it just um it's not accessible and it's not visible. Mhm. But we'll paint we'll we'll just
paint repaint the backside whatever the color is or something. Yeah. Just a clean coat of paint. There won't be any decorative on the backside. Okay. I just I couldn't remember if it backed up to um Oh, listen. I had to go out there the other day because it was driving me crazy. I couldn't visualize it but
it would just be good to see what that final design really looks like on that specific Yeah and I think with them it should be relatively easy once I talked to them and asked them if they could superimpose those images on the actual restroom structures at second a oceanfront because they already have them over this
restroom. So I would think that within a few days hopefully they could just take these images and put them over those bathrooms so we could get an idea of what it would look like there. And um once I get that I'll send that to you guys. Okay. Any other comments from the board? I see none. So, we'll
if we could just get a consensus from everyone that everyone is good moving forward with these artists and these designs and uh getting these restrooms going. Yeah, I think there I believe I was hearing consensus. Um I'll just look one more time. Yes, I think uh we do have
consensus on the board, but uh we see that move forward. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. interesting ad to the agenda. Yeah, sorry. I don't I usually honestly I really try to not do that, but um I didn't want to have to wait another
month, so I decided we'll throw a little curveball. Okay. Well, let us move on to uh new business, unless Taylor, you have another old business item. No, not right now. Stay tuned. There might one might come up later. Um new business. Um the public arts
advisory committee bylaws amendment. Um there were some revisions uh changes proposed for that and you might be able to fill us in a little bit more on the reasoning for doing it and why you needed to be able to move forward.
Yeah. So um it really is not anything too honestly crazy or in-depth. When we created this committee, this was completely new to us. We truly had no idea what we were walking into. Um we originally thought, okay, we probably would need seven members. So the bylaws read that we could have seven members.
Um, we have learned that five is really the sweet spot. It's it allows for the perfect amount of debate and conversation and thought and it keeps everything it everybody's on task. Everyone really brings a lot of good creativity to it but without it getting too overwhelming. Um, so we would like
to uh in article three of the bylaws under membership change that uh bullet a to say five people instead of seven. And then bullet b um we left this open-ended and originally had members kind of a
very broad beaches members that could kind of be from all over. Um, and just to as we're making a lot of changes with consistency across the boards and council meetings and how things operate, uh, we discuss this internally with clerk's office, administration, and it just makes sense to change our bylaws to
specify just like every other city board, you must be a Jack Speech resident. And thankfully, everybody on the committee is a Jack Speech resident because that could have got really awkward if somebody wasn't. We had to kick them off. Um, so everybody is a Jack Speech resident. We have verified that. And what we are looking for is
approval of these new bylaws. And then with again the start of the new fiscal year, we will then open up applications to fill that fifth seat. And actually, I think Mr. Chairman was the only one around when we did the first round of
creating the committee. Um, this one was a little unique. Myself, Heather, and Mr. Gilmore and team um actually took in the applications. We handled preliminary interviews and sat down and talked with people about why they fit the bill. Um
what experience did they have in the arts community? Uh and then this was the actual only committee where we made staff recommendations to the CRA and council on members. And so once that time comes, we would probably seek to follow that same format because it worked really really well this first time and we would like to get a fifth
member in as soon as this fiscal year starts. I'm happy to answer um any questions. Taylor, thank you. Any comments from the U board? None. Taylor, just going back on, you know, historically when we did it
initially, one of the things that we look for were for individuals that had good art experience. And we thought at that time it was important to maybe even go beyond just just Jack's speech, but to look at
the art community within Jacksonville, and we're now talking about, you know, reducing that. Uh I thought we had gotten quite a some very good input from the art community, the members that were uh not ne specifically from Jack Beach,
but uh who were part of the art community within Jacksonville. Does it still make sense to to really incorporate others because art is something that uh you know is is a challenging thing. It's one thing to
you, it's another thing to me. Uh right. Yeah. I mean I think that's where selecting the members that were selected. They were so carefully chosen. Uh we very intentionally did not choose five muralists or five sculptors. Every single person on that committee serves a
different realm of art. Uh, and I will say that every um recommendation that's been made so far by the committee has been from Jack Beach residents only. And we have a massive population of artists that we didn't even realize we had. Um, and I think most importantly just to
maintain consistency with all the other city boards. Um, it makes the most sense to make it Jacksonville Beach only. And I I don't foresee and you know, Heather or Jim, either of you feel free to chime in. I don't foresee any issues or running out of potential members. I
mean, there's probably honestly I would say what 15 just Jackson Beach that are interested in this fifth seat easily that are all very wellqualified uh to serve on the committee. So, I don't see it being an issue. Um, yeah.
So, as long as we continue to consider artists who are not in Jacksonville Beach, I think it's just fine to have the committee members be in Jacksonville Beach. I think it's very important that we consider artists who are not necessarily in Jacksonville Beach. U Thank you. I
think what we saw too is, you know, it was a learning curve and trying to figure stuff out, but um it doesn't I would say makes sense, but for a lack of better terms, because I can't think of the right way to phrase it. It's almost hard to justify, okay, we have this one group that's from all over Duval and St.
John's County, but every other board is this small niche area. I think we need to mirror that kind of across all of the city boards because none of our other boards have members um from outside of Jack Beach. Any other comments? Megan,
is there uh when the art committee is selecting artists, is there any requirement to give difference to Jack Beach residents? It depends on the call. Um, when we did I think it might have been the it was
either the Cape Building or maybe it was the back of Seawwalk. It was almost like a box to check like are they local, yes or no. And if they were lo like let's say we got down to the final three and it was like 25 25, but one of those three was local then they would have gotten precedents over the non-local.
Um, for the sculpture, no, because that wasn't part of the criteria wanted nationwide. Um, and then for the bathrooms, we didn't even have to add that because even though people from outside of the three beaches applied, those applications were thrown out. Um, the committee didn't even review them because it specifically said you have to be these three beaches. So, it just
depends on the call, but sometimes yes. Okay, fair enough. Thanks. Any other comments? Seeing none, I assume that we've got to do um vote on this and Yes, sir. a motion and make the actual approval. Yes, sir.
Dad, thank you for your comments. I appreciate what you said earlier and that totally agree with you. So, um with that, uh the chair will entertain a motion. Uh I'll make a motion to amend the bylaws um of the community redevelopment agency public art advisory committee uh
via resolution 2022-03. Is there a second? Second. We have a motion and a second. Um, if the clerk would please by roll call. Thad Mosley, yes. Kevin Meyers,
yes. Ron Whittington, yes. Megan Edwards, yes. Gerard Pow, yes. Thank you. that uh we have two items for discussion and the uh the first item under
discussion is the uh peer entry sculpture. Um yes, I'm assuming that this is just a discussion. It's not necessarily an approval, right? Or Nope. Um so this was more than anything
just kind of bringing this back to the forefront. Um, you know, and I've I try to be more uh as we're all learning, I'm also learning what works for us and I'm learning like like, oh, we talked about this five months ago. Like, how come we you know, you're not in this every single day. So, I'm just trying to be a
little more mindful of that and things that we've talked about before. Just bringing back and kind of refreshing everyone before we do something that surprises everybody. Um, so we've always planned all the way back in the 15, 16, 17 years of all the Dicks height stuff, which Gary, you're
probably one of the few that remembers all those fun documents. Sorry, you're getting picked on tonight. Um, this has always been one section that like every plan we've ever had has called for some sculpture at the actual entryway to the pier on the boardwalk. Um, obviously with that being said, there's a lot that
goes into this. Um, it would be great to throw some crazy giant, you know, lifeguard chair out there, which was contemplated in one of those plans somewhere. Then you have think about safety, like, okay, great. So, at Friday about 1:30 a.m., what's going to be happening on this giant chair? So, there
have been multiple iterations of this. Uh, we've kind of had to bring it down every time we've taken a look at it. So basically what we just wanted to bring to you guys was looking again at national averages um from literally all across the country
of art of this scale. It really seemed that on the low scale end 125 $150,000 high scale end in large metropolitan areas. I mean we we even saw some calls as big as $800,000. Um looking kind of what's normal around Florida 175 really
seemed like a sweet spot for us to fall in. That again is right in the middle. We don't ever want to be too high and be like paying 50% more than everywhere else. We also don't want to come in and artist like I'm not bidding on that. That's not enough. Um so this was a really good sweet spot. Uh this again much like all of our other projects is
all inclusive. So artist fees, fabrication, materials, installation. If they have to travel here for two weeks, their boarding costs, everything has to fit within that. And we're always super clear about that in the call. Um we're not asking you to pick any artwork or commit to a design. and we just wanted
to bring this back to you guys. We want to get this call out. Um I don't know if you were able if you followed the link. That link was to our form that we would be submitting. It listed out the criteria also in like bright red in that it says this is all inclusive. This must include all of your costs. Um and just,
you know, really happy to answer any questions. We don't need to modify anything. We have sufficient budgets to issue this call. If for some reason it doesn't get issued before October 1, we'll carry forward the funds for this project from this fiscal year. So it won't eat into next year's budget. Um, and quite frankly, we're in a really good spot with our arts program this
year. So, I'm happy to answer any questions. Questions from the board. Um, couple of thoughts. a monolithic base with sheer sides or even
um outward sloping sides and appropriate um uh ornamentation at the very top of that. Maybe something that's not very friendly to hands will keep people off of this. Oh yeah. Yeah. Monolithic base will keep people off. Yep.
Anything that starts at a reachable ground level is going to get climbed. Yep. Um, so a monolithic pace is probably almost a requirement. Secondly, and we've been through this before, this arch banner sort of thing since the pier
is up against that hotel and is not really centered in anything. I think that no way. But a really nice structure on one side could even be set back into the edge of the parking lot as opposed to actually on the seawalk
or could be set perhaps even at the very base of the pier. I don't know. But something nice and monolithic. Yeah, I think it'd be great. Yeah. And we left the call open. Um, you know, again, everybody does it a little different with their calls. What's really worked well for us is kind of
providing some guard rails and then allowing the artist to kind of express what they think fits within those. And as a part of those guardrails, we did say it could be one massive monolithic structure on one side. It could be two pieces flanking either side. And if someone thought within the parameters set forth um by our emergency services,
they could do an arch that we would review that as well. Um, we did add in there there are certain parameters that they obviously have to meet to be able to safely get, you know, emergency vehicles underneath that should one ever have to go on the pier. Um, I don't expect we'll get a lot of those, but
I've also made assumptions about calls before and then been proven completely wrong. So, we will see what we get. Okay, Marcus. So, this is really my ignorance in some aspects, but what other sculptures do we
have in Jack's Beach other than the park? Um, so we have our sculpture at the roundabout and then probably what 30 years ago, we have the dolphin and the boy that's in the center of oceanfront park. Okay. So, those are the only two sculptures that have been funded by the municipality. So, and this program, our
art program is only two and a half years old. Okay. So, I know that we also have coming up the sea turtle sculpture. So, are you going to have like do we want this to follow that series?
No, I don't think so. So, this is going to be a standalone. This is going to be a pier entry. So, this is going to be you're at the Jacksonville Beach pier. Welcome to this. Um, one thing we do put in all of our calls is kind of our city slogan, which is embrace the beach life. So, if someone
brought us a giant skeleton, that's probably not going to really embrace the beach life, unless it's surfing. I don't know. Um, so while it'll be separate, if you will, um, we do put the same theming, if that makes sense. Whether it's our
murals or our sculptures, they all have to somehow tie to what the beach life is. It's not going to be just them. It's just interesting that the next item, you know, to some discussion is only 45,000. This one is now 3.8 times. Sure.
That that's a very easy answer to that's a very easy answer. Um so that the other sculpture was never intended to be a gateway sculpture. It's continued to be a singular sculpture in a series of sculptures. Okay. Um it's going to be fiberglass. It's not going to have lighting. It's not going to require structural engineering. It's
an 8 to 10 foot turtle that is a part of the sea life in the city program that was voted on by the public. The reason it's a turtle is because that's what the public voted for. I understand. Um, so material, structural engineering, um, the way it has to be affixed being an 8 foot just
singular turtle sculpture. Um, we never anticipated that one being more than about 50,000. So, this sculpture and what we're talking about is going to be 12, 15t tall. I don't know. I I that I can't answer. Um, like the roundabout sculpture.
Yeah. Being as it was multiple different columns. Um, they're concrete. So they had to be fixed with a different type of footers. We had to go down with rebar. It was handdone mosaics. That sculpture was $150,000. Uh so it just depends on the work itself
and the size. Um I think a gateway sculpture usually it has some kind of lighting component. It's usually uplit. It's going to be a lot larger. Likely it'll be two pieces on either side. Um and I can tell you it will not be fiberglass. So,
and had we gone with bronze on the turtle, I can show you the quote. That would have been 140,000. I understand that. Um, so, but we haven't allocated where we want that. It's not our care and in my
understanding like where this is going to be allocated on the pier. Yes. The Which one? The turtles or this? No, the pure entryways. So, this is going to be in front of the pier entryway. So, when you're walk up to the pier on the boardwalk, it's going to be
literally sitting right there. Yeah. Okay. Megan, go ahead. So, I understand just what we're reviewing here. So, it looks like the estimated, right, including the fabrication, materials, and installation is 45,000, right? is what it's
for the turtles. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, but it's 175. So, we're saying another 130,000 is going towards the design and insurance. I think we're on two different things. The peer entryway sculpture and the turtle is not the same thing.
Correct. Oh, I got that crossed then. Yes. So, the turtle is by himself. He's just a fiberglass turtle that's going by the lifeguard station. So, he's hanging out down here. Okay. The peer entryway one is um a completely separate one separate of the
sea life in the city program that will be a structure that literally like says you know think of what is it Santa Monica Pier is that where it is like how they have that massive archway over that's like you're at the Santa Monica Pier and it's massive design um the pier in
oh where was I St. heat. They've got a massive structure like that. So, on a beach and Yeah. Same type of thing. But on this sea turtle sculpture, it says that it's Does it not Am I It's $45,000, right? Yes. Okay. Yep. Okay, that helps. I was
like, explain to me how this turtle got to be No, I was trying to understand. I was trying to understand he's saying anything. If that was the case, that would be probably a little I'm looking at the I got it crossed. I was just trying to understand more of
a 3.8 times value. What is the 175,000 really giving us in relationship to the 45,000 that we've already allocated for the series? Sure. And then where does that take us going forward
as as continuity? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. 175 is for a much like I said more along those gateway lines. I mean you're talking 15 maybe even 20 feet. Um beings is where it is and the high we already know the building official there's going to have to be
plans submitted. They're going to have to have engineers. If there's lighting there's going to be FD permitting involved. We're going to encourage lighting because why have a massive structure and not have anything on it to show that hi this massive structure is right here uh as part of the call and it's always been contemplated since the Dix height days that this needs to be
visible from A1A. So when you're driving down, if you look down fourth and you're looking towards the pier, this needs to be so large you see it all the way from A1A. Um I'm afraid our little turtle friend won't quite be visible from A1A, unfortunately. It's going to be great. It's going to be cool, but it's not
going to be Yeah. Um are we specifying that it be placed on the boardwalk? It Yes. Yep. has to be on. This will be on the boardwalk and it cannot go past the
sorry cannot go past the end of the boardwalk into the anywhere onto the actual pure structure or that way towards the ocean because that is not our district. But it could not be on the very easterly edge of the parking lot space. I think I'm seeing it from
because of emergency access. They use that lane closest to the buildings and the parking lot. We've got to maintain that 10 to 12 foot of right away for emergency. Okay. And I guess the only other thing and we can't tell them what to propose but um aluminum anodizes beautifully.
It's stable. It's self oxidizing film structure and it's a little brighter color than a bronze. Yep. though it can be actually procured um in a darker shade, but I've had a lot of
I think someone on the art community naturally weathered anodized aluminum on my I think somebody said that. That's not the first time I'm hearing it. And it really holds up well in the salt once it glazes over. Yep. It's kind of a dusty looking finish and it's done. Okay.
Hell of a lot cheaper than bronze. Well, listen. the $140,000 bronze turtle about took me out when I saw the first quote and I was like, "Oh, we are not doing bronze." Okay, no way. Um, I will say though, the beauty of the this is it's the call and
if we got hundred responses and not one of them is sufficient, there's absolutely no reason we have to move forward with anything. Uh, we can issue this call 10 times until we feel we have a sufficient entryway piece. Um, so that's kind of one thing I always like to throw out there. We're never committing ourselves to something even
if it got narrowed down to artists that art community preferred and you guys don't. Okay. Well, take it back to the drawing board. Um, you know, it doesn't nobody's being held to anything. So, and this is an important piece. Go ahead, Marcus.
Where you check in on the right hand side or on the south side of the pier and then you have the gate basically that for entrance onto the pier. Yeah. You go through that new entryway. Yeah, it's going to be right there. It's going to be right there. Okay.
And that was always the goal. We always knew all the way back in 2017, eventually we'd have a good entryway. About eight years later, we got there. Um, but it was always assumed that we would have this nice driveway in. And as that driveway ends, when you're turning into that parking lot, there would be some massive piece of artwork leading
you up to the pier walkway where you walk on to go to the pier. Okay. Okay. Newness showing newness slash ignorance showing why did this stall for eight years. So listen uh we let's go get coffee. No,
I'm just kidding. Um no truly so my there was not ever um a designated CRA person. So my job did not exist before I came here. So it wasn't I don't even think a function of someone being intentional. We did not have an art committee. No one really knew like, oh, this is great. We want a piece of
artwork. Well, how do we get art? Like, what do we even do? Um, we came in like a month apart from each other. Kind of started digging through these plans realizing, oh wow, there are a ton of projects that have just never gotten off the ground. Um, and art committee kind
of came a little ways down once we had them submit. You know, we got that committee filled. Then we started working on the lowerhanging fruit with some of these murals. Um, then we knew the pure construction. Yep. We were waiting on that. And we knew once we got through that we would be at a good enough place and hopefully feel experienced enough with doing some of
these calls that we would be comfortable going forward. Okay. So just and this is no knock on anyone but just there was lack of process back then and we've learned a lot over those years and there wasn't there wasn't some major issue that stole it. That's a great phrase but yeah
fair Jim. Thank you. Yeah of course Marcus. And then one last thing, this falls back under the 300K. Yep. And so out of that 300K of the TW, this is of the 2025 fiscal year budget.
Correct. Okay. So then that So then the rest of the murals that we just looked at, how much is left then for the arts budget going forward? So, with all three
bathroom murals, we're at 325 and then 45 with the turtle and then 175 with this and then whatever's left, we're going to carry forward. Um, I can't I can't math in my head numbers, but it's under 300. We're under 300. It's under three. I do know that. I did
it the other day. We're under 300. So, we've still got wiggle room in the budget for this fiscal year. And that does not eat into next year. It looks like 475. That sounds right. Sorry, Taylor. Just for my clarification, it's out of the 2025 budget, not the 26 budget. Okay.
That was one clarification that I needed. Um, you know, I would just say that, um, you know, I think this is something that needs to move forward. It's something that's been sitting there for a while. We now have the peer entry done and it
is lacking something. When you drive in there, there there's not the statement of of a peer entry. And I think the art piece can do quite a bit. It I think will become and if we, you know, find the right piece. Yeah. It can be a real statement for
Jacksonville Beach. I'm encouraged to see us moving forward with something other than murals and looking at some true some true art pieces here that uh can help um develop a real interest in art. Um, you know,
the only thing I would caution us on right now is until we see the piece, to me, it makes it a little bit difficult to determine exactly how it should be located and where it should be located. I think we need to look at that along with what that piece truly is because
unfortunately um I think dad said it earlier that nothing really lines up out there and it's a little bit difficult. If you look to the north side of the pier, there seems to be an area just off of the
boardwalk that really makes sense for an art piece. But not knowing what that piece is, I you know, I hold my reservations and and just wait and let's see what that piece is and and really find the right location. Where does it make sense? Yeah. That it becomes a real
visual element looking all the way from A1A down Fourth Street to the entry of the pier and so forth. Yeah, absolutely. Overall, yeah, it's it's great that we're moving this forward. I think for us, as long as the artists
stay within the parameters of don't get in the emergency vehicle lane, don't, I don't know, make something ridiculously offensive. Don't make something that is absolutely nothing to do with the call. Location wise, I think when we kind of submit and we have images of the site as a whole and kind of redline like, okay,
this is emergency travel, can't be here, and if you're going to go archway, you got to have this much distance. Outside of that, to your point, anywhere they want to go within kind of that overall footprint of that in front of the pier area, I think we would be open to a staff and we would take that to the art committee and I know the art committee
would be open to wherever it makes the most sense because if one piece is a singular piece, well, maybe it makes sense to go to that northern side where it's massive. If it's two smaller pieces, well then, okay, it's going to make sense to flank either side, you know? So, I think we'll I think we'll get a lot of um really interesting
submissions, I hope. And uh yeah, we'll see where see where this lands. Great. I assume you're just looking for some consensus here. Yeah, just that everyone was aware and comfortable with the call and that we're going to move forward and and try and get this out. Uh we do want to give council an update as well. I don't want
to surprise them with, hey, by the way, this is out on the street, so we will update council as well. And then we want to get this out. Basic consensus from the board. Um cool. Yes. So I see the consensus here probably a good job for you to come up and tell us these things you're talking
because we're so new. Listen, you know, so if you see something like that, listen, I am guilty of it. I know I am guilty of being like, "What do you mean you don't remember something we talked about 47 months ago?" Huh? Like we talk about it all the time. Listen, thank you. We will be better with that.
The um just one thing, Taylor made a good run at this about six months ago or maybe seven months ago at council and uh they didn't want to hear about it. So yeah, that's why it's being re rerolled now. Um well, I not say all them, but one or two of them were very vocal about not
wanting to hear about it at the time. Um and the other thing is I understand the access to the pier and the emergency and all that, but depending on the scape, the size and the scale, and this gets back to what Gary just said, that hotel is right there. Yep. So, if we end up over here, we
could well be clear of the emergency access and still come back a little bit depending on the type of piece it is. We at least need to keep our minds a little open to that. Depending on what comes in, if something comes in that's really big and really large and on one side
with a hotel right here jammed up against it, you might could bring it back a few feet westward of the walkway as long as you didn't interfere with the emergency access. If the fire marshall says I'm good to go, I am going to roll with it. As long as he gives me the green light,
I completely agree. We just need to keep our minds open to that possibility on what comes in. If something comes in that might look good there, we need to at least ask the fire marsh. Oh, yeah. And he will be very heavily involved whether he's happy. All good. But yes, we want to make sure we stay within
the rules. Doesn't necessarily absolutely have to be in the boardwalk. Yeah. Okay. Good. Absolutely. Yes, sir. Taylor, you just need um you know, you got basic consensus, so you you have what you need to uh to be able to move forward. Great. Um, you know, I think
um, well, I don't know for sure, but I think council would support this. I think now that we have the peer entry redone, I think everyone sees that uh, we need to do a little bit more there to to make it that exciting active space that it needs
to be in and this will definitely help and I think we would get council support on it. Um, another item on the items for discussion. Um, yes, believe it or not, we're going to talk about sea turtles. Another sculpture. Are you guys so
excited? I brought three different art product. Actually, technically four because it's two different bathrooms. So, just going to throw all the artwork at you guys today. Uh, so this just a little bit of background. Uh, this is from we issued a survey back in 2024. I know it's been a
hot minute. Uh, and we said, "Okay, we're going to do a sculpture series of smaller fiberglass, very vibrant, bright, crazy sculptures. What do you want to see to the public?" And the absolutely overwhelming, I mean, like 85 plus% of the responses were sea turtles.
So, we were like, "Well, all right. That is what we're going to do. We're going to do a turtle." Uh, we feel it makes the most sense to put this basically at the Beach Boulevard street end. when you're driving, you dead end to the lefthand side. You've got the lifeguard station, your right-hand side, Joe's. Um
because the intent of Sea Life in the City was to kind of have various sea life sculptures strategically placed kind of along the boardwalk to encourage people to walk down and look at our sea life in the city. Thought what better spot than at the start of our boardwalk. So, that's kind of how we arrived at the
location. Um we are working with local sculpture team Havoc Studios. It is Jenny Hager and Lance Vickery. If you are familiar with the UNF sculpture garden, that is who is responsible for the lovely sculpture garden. They are wonderful. So, we're very excited to again have an artist that's local and
this is going to be the first sculpture team that has been local for us. So, really excited about that. Um, we will be doing a fiberglass sea turtle and this is the my sideways turtle picture. Sorry. That is the kind of small mockup of what it
would actually look like. I want to be super clear because Jenny was very clear. Thank you, Jody. Jenny was very clear. The minute she showed me this, she was like, "This is not the colors. This is just the colors we had in the studio. This is not what we're doing." Um, so this was the design voted on and approved. Um, so it's going to feature
two turtles swimming. Uh, one thing that our committee did talk about is, um, that I think to your point of having structures like this, having a nice thick hefty base to keep people from wanting to like hang off of the What is that? kelp hang off the kelp. Umasses,
seagrasses. Uh so that was something the art committee recommended was building up a nice base. And if you go down to the UNF sculpture garden, all of those are on really nice, hefty concrete base foundations, which also helps to protect them in the event of a storm with really heavy winds. So we're going to uh get a nice base underneath that. But again,
this was really just kind of update you guys. This was the design that was already approved previously. Um we've got the funding in this year's budget. It'll be our first turtle or our first ocean animal in this project. Um, and it will not be green and orangey yellow. It
will be nice, fun, bright colors. If you look at Galveastston, Texas, I believe, could be wrong. I need to Google it, but I believe it was Galveistston, Texas, along their boardwalk, they actually have nothing but sea turtles. And they are all kinds of like fun, bright, vibrant colors. There are these massive
photo ops. People love them. And so the Galveistston turtles are what we kind of use as examples of hey like make them fun like these not literal just green. Um so just kind of wanted to update you guys and then like I said am happy to answer any questions.
I don't see any questions. How many sculptures are we looking at in the series? It says it since the first piece in the series. How many are we? So, to be determined. And when we kind of created the series, we were like,
let's honestly see how this goes. Um, being realistic on the boardwalk, we're not going to get 37 sculptures down the board. That's crazy. Okay. Five, maybe five to seven uh different sea life. And so, the way we were kind of thinking of is once this one's done having a nice, you know, plaque honor,
you know, sea life in the city, you check out the rest of our sculptures. Um going back to that public survey and the number two animal commissioning that piece and then you know further down commission the second. What was the list? Do you recall?
Oh boy. Sea turtles was number one. Sharks was last. Okay. I remember that. I was we had we had we talked about Reich whales too. Yeah. Actually there was there was a shocking amount of
flamingos. That one threw me for a loop. There was a shocking bingos. Yes. Um but the top were fish. Literally fish, dolphin, sea turtles, and close to fish was octopus. So I I didn't vote. I'm not I didn't
vote because I've seen so many here. So um but to be honest, and I was actually just talking with this about our communications manager about some other ideas I had going forward for surveys to involve the public more because it's it's I mean, you know, it's fun. and it makes people feel like they have say in it and have skin in the game
like, "Oh, okay. This turtle is here and oh, hey, did you know like we voted on this? This is why it exists." Um, honestly, it's probably just going to be smart to do another survey and say, "Okay, we have a turtle. Let's pick another one." So, the survey was done through the publication through Jack Speech
through the email. Yep. It went through the email, some newsletters, posted on social media, on our Facebook and Instagram. Um, and actually for our surveys, I mean, listen, we don't always get great. We had close to a thousand responses, which is a lot for us. Usually we're like, oh,
we have 150. Great. Um, this one had a lot. So when we're now incorporating the beaches business district and the relationship that we're building with them, is there a way to incorporate
them into using their people at the different restaurants to maybe enhance um response? I mean, yeah, I I definitely think there's room for that. Um I where I came
from I started a program there. We were known for owls and we started an owls on Osborne program. It started with one bronze casted owl and then we actually got to a place where we were able to sponsor casting owls for businesses. It was like a grant program. So we had like an art studio
and that owl has a painters hat and a paintbrush. And then at the school because there's a school down there, it's called the principal. All the owls have a name and it's a little principal with a ruler and a notebook. the restaurant district has an owl with like a plate of spaghetti or something like um there's an owl in a cemetery. That's another story. Uh but we've got all
these different owls and so I think something we even talked about was maybe with the turtles getting to a place with this where we do smaller fiberglass turtles that businesses can sponsor and the businesses can paint their own logo and then it kind of becomes so for us where I came from it was a scavenger hunt, find the owls and all the business
has the cards. So, that would be the long-term goals of this is getting to a place where we're able to have businesses sponsoring turtles or sharks. Somebody sponsor a shark. I'll sponsor a shark. Different animals. And then having a, you know, a scavenger hunt where you go
to a business and it's like, okay, you get a sticker for you found this turtle and you found this one. Um, we would like to be inclusive. Yeah. Okay. I I think that's great looking at I looked up what you said with Galveston. It's turtles about town. Yes. So there's all these smaller
sculptures and it it makes people move through the town. Exactly. And that puts more people in front of a business like, "Oh, let's go in here for a shop. Let's go in here for a drink or a snack." I love that. I I love that. Yeah. I think that's really great. Chicago did a similar pro similar
program, but it was cows. Well, yeah. A Georgia has bulldogs everywhere. Yeah. There is and I think it's Greenville. I could be wrong. I think it's Greenville. They have uh look at it. It's called Mice on
Maine. And they did little mice because they would have like little field mice running around. They're like, "You know what? Instead of having people be grossed out by them, lean into it." They literally did an art project with mice. So, they did. Any further comments? I assume just
consensus is what you need at this point. And I believe we have consensus from the board to to move forward with this. So, we appreciate it. Um, I'm going to open it up just briefly for any comments or thoughts from anybody. Um,
any issues that anybody wants to raise. Thanks, Taylor. Thanks to Taylor for coming so prepared with all this. I know this was a little heavier one, so I appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you guys. I have one item, Taylor, that um I'd
like us to figure out how we attack this issue a little bit. And I shouldn't say attack, but address it. Um along First Street, there's a couple of the hotels put their dumpsters out the day of
whenever they get picked up, and usually happens what, twice a week or something like that. They get put out there at uh early in the morning and then they sit there for quite some time before they're picked up. They block the sidewalk. So if anybody's walking down First Street sidewalk, they've got to walk out into
the street and then, you know, around the dumpsters and then back in onto the sidewalk. And then the dumpsters once they've been the garbage has been picked up, they sit there for almost a better portion of the day before somebody comes
and finally moves them and gets them out of the way. However, we can work with our businesses to uh somehow address that and you know even if we have to work with the uh folks from the uh garbage company sure
to you know on pickup and maybe get a little better scheduled so it it doesn't sit there all day long I think would make a much better impression on First Street. Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you for pointing that out. That's all. Unless somebody else has any
other further comments with that, I'll take a motion to adjurnn. No, no motion. I mean, if you guys want to hang out, we can hang out. I'll definitely second. Second. I'll second. We will adjourn this meeting. Thank you.
We can be sitting here looking to the left and right.