end of March. >> March 27th. >> Yes. >> Chaos will ensue. >> You win. No cut. >> That's all right.
>> Good afternoon everyone. I'm very happy uh Monday, February 23rd. This is the Community Redevelopment Agency meeting for the month of February. And uh first of all, I'd like
to have the clerk call role, please. >> Gerard Ptow >> here. >> Ron Whittington >> here. >> Megan Edwards >> here. >> Th Mosley. Kevin Meyers >> here.
>> Sydney Talcott >> here. >> Marcus Campy. >> We have uh one of our regular members and also one of our um alternate members that are absent today. So, Sydney, we're going to ask you to
step up and fill that slot as um for the day. Um I'd like to uh open the door to courtesy of the floor to visitors. I have not received any cards. I don't know if we have anybody that wants to address the board. We do not. So, we'll
move on to the next item on the agenda, which is the approval of the meeting minutes. The first meeting minutes are the January 26th um workshop meeting minutes. And um I'd uh like to ask if there are any changes,
modifications that need to be made to those meeting minutes. Hopefully everybody's had a chance to look at them. Any comments? Taylor, the only thing I would just ask is that at the top of those meeting minutes, it's noted as a workshop. And I
would just suggest that obviously it was a regular scheduled meeting, not a workshop meeting. So, if we would make that small change, I think everything is approved. >> Good catch. Thank you. >> Okay. Um, with that, I'll take a motion
to approve the January 26th, 2026 meeting minutes. >> I make a motion to approve. >> We have a motion to approve. Is there a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion to approve. Um, and a second. So, we'll just do this by voice
vote. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed? Carries. So th those meeting minutes are approved. We have the um January 21st, 2026 joint workshop meeting minutes,
which is the joint workshop that we had with city council um and the CRA. Again, are there any modifications or changes by anyone on the board that feel that they need to make?
None at this time. So with that, again, I'll look for a motion to to approve those meeting minutes. >> I make a motion to approve. >> We have a motion to approve. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion to approve and second. Uh with
that, again, we'll do a voice vote for the approval of the January 21st, 2026 um meeting minutes. All those in favor say I. I. I. opposed hearing none. Uh those meeting minutes
are approved. We'll move on to our next item on the agenda and that is the old business. Is there anything that um anyone Taylor uh Heather that want to bring up in
reference to old business? Um, I do not I did print upcoming events and meetings for everyone again, but uh we can pass those out later in the meeting just to keep everyone in the loop on what's coming up on different agendas, but I do not have anything old
um for this meeting. >> Okay. Anybody on the board have any specific items? None. Okay. We'll move on to uh new business. The uh item that we have under new business is to approve or disapprove an
agreement with the following artists for the following dumpster locations. And basically this is the u mural installations for a number of dumpsters around the u the downtown area.
>> Yep. >> If you'd like to give us a little further. >> Sure. Um, so these are our brand new lovely dumpster enclosures. Um, they are nice and clean and freshly done. So they are begging for some art. Uh, the
committee went through, we had ended up having about 18 local um, artists submit. Uh, we went through these in a public meeting um, and everyone scored them and then there was some deliberation. And I think right out the gate initially there were like three
candidates that universally across all our committee members were almost perfect scores. Um and then quite frankly the next three after that were maybe like a point or two off of those same high scores. So um it was a pretty simple deliberation. Uh staff went out
to all the different dumpster locations and tried to our best effort look at the size. I mean they're all very similar in size. Some are just a little bit different in the way they're laid out. And so how many walls are visible from, you know,
roadways, um, how many doors, the location of the door. And so based off of that information, we tried to place the murals on the dumpster shape that fit best. Um, so that's how we were kind of able to figure out where everyone
needed to go. Um, and we've got four recommended candidates, all uh from Jacksonville Beach and one from Neptune and one from Atlantic. And I'm happy to answer um any questions that anybody has. We'll open this up for discussion and
conversation by the board. Um or anybody have any specific comments or thoughts um in reference to what was presented in the U graphics that were presented to us uh for these dumpsters? anything from anybody
>> dumpster debate. >> Yeah, you know, it's >> Taylor. I I just there were three there were a number of them where the submissions were well done and and clear. There were a couple of them where
it just gave a basic graphic and really didn't lay it out on the uh the walls of the dumpster pad. It's hard to understand exactly what we might be looking at as a final end product. Do you have any more information from that? >> Yeah. So, to be frank, and I and I told
the same thing to the art committee, you know, this was not a $50,000 mural. These are $4,000 murals. And I tried to kind of set the expectation. Not saying that the submissions weren't all still great, but being it was six different dumpsters, they did not know which one
they would necessarily be awarded. Um, so we did not put as strict requirements on you have to superimpose your image. Um, some chose to, some did. It's it's just kind of everyone has a different style. Um, but I think that may be the big reason that, you know, you didn't
see that from all of them is it was not necessarily required. >> It's just like this mural as an example. It's it's beautiful mural. It's just how does that wrap on the uh on the dumpster enclosure? Where does it break? Sure.
So, I think without I don't want to speak, you know, obviously for the artist. I'm not an artist. Um, but talking with the committee, you know, what you will likely see is maybe um the twothirds portion if you're looking at screen to the left where you've got the
fish and then that one turtle that's kind of towards the front, that will likely be on a large blank side. That will take up the bulk of it. And then what you would probably see wrapped the front. I believe the one that we put hers on has a singular door and then kind of some small space and then the other sides are blocked. Um so you'll
probably see a little more of a gap where after that turtle is some water and then the turtle in the top right hand corner would be on the top right hand side of the other side that's facing a public viewing area. Um you know so it was just kind of something that they're going to kind of have to shift and bend a little bit. These
enclosures are not perfect squares. Um, and quite frankly, even the ones that submitted kind of how they would wrap based on the dumpster they get, they're still probably going to have to pivot a little bit. Um, a good example is Deborah McKenna. She submitted hers and
superimposed it over the Sun Deli dumpster, which was great. Um, but a different mural actually fit that shape and angle a little bit better. So, hers is going to be moved to a different one. Um, so I understand because it's sometimes hard
for me to visualize as well. Um, what I am going to do, the plan was to get through this meeting, get the CRA approval because what I didn't want to do is reach out to all these artists and then we get here and then it ends up being, well, no, we don't like these. So, um, after this meeting, my plan is to contact every artist individually,
let them know exactly which location they've been selected for, and then prior to there's a bit of a gap between now and council viewing these. council's viewing them at the first meeting in April. Um, and asked the artists to really fine-tune their renderings, so council has a better visual. Um, this
meeting and the art committee meeting were just so close together. Just didn't quite have an opportunity to ask all of those artists to do that. >> Right. Well, I appreciate that. I think that'd be very helpful to go back to the artists once we if this gets approved
today and let's get a clear understanding of the ones that didn't depict how they're going to wrap it. What are how are they actually going to deal with the corners and the openings and things like that that they need to deal with? >> Yeah, understood.
Can can you touch a little bit on maintenance and cost also because I'm I'm concerned that we've got all these murals now and how are we going to maintain them over the a duration of time. >> Yeah. So the life of a mural is about
five years. >> Yeah. >> Um our cate building mural is at three and some change and it's still stunning. Um so concerns are definitely valid. Um, I will say these artists, at least the ones we've worked with thus far, they know what they're doing as far as using
a protecting coat. Um, knock on wood, the Cape mural is our oldest mural and it's still as vibrant as the day it was installed. Um, so from that aspect, I truly don't have a whole lot of concerns. Um, and then just to kind of speak again a little blunt as it relates to art, when you're talking about
murals, to me, $4,000 sounds like it's a good chunk of money. Um, but in the arts world, these are very small scale, lower budget murals. Um, I believe what we'll see is that these artists in their contract for a year, just like everything else, will come out and make
touch-ups, but beyond that, um, as they fade, it they fade and they go away. And then you slap a new fresh coat of cream paint, and then in five years, you seek out another mural if you want to do that. Yeah. >> And my concern being more so with these murals mainly because they're dumpster murals and I know what the dumpster
trucks do when they get in there. It's not pretty >> and it, you know, they beat up on those things so easily. And I'm just concerned that, you know, are we, you know, looking at this completely and making sure that we've, >> so to speak, protected ourselves as best
we can. >> Yeah. I mean, I I feel like we do. Yes. um you know, but again, these are smaller murals. It was an opportunity to get some more focal points out of the just that really core of downtown and kind of expand further south within the district. Um like I said, in our
contracts, it's standard a year for them to come back and do touch-ups and, you know, anything crazy happens. And then beyond that, you know, if we get two and a half, three years in and something catastrophic happens to one, it's unfortunate, but at that point, we
would, you know, it would probably be up to the board and the council and the art committee, do they want to reach back out to that artist and say, "Hey, this was damaged. Do you want to start from scratch?" Or at that point, you know, you paint over it and you put a new mural up. >> Um, murals are great. They're lovely,
but they don't always have the biggest lifespans. >> You know, again, I would encourage the um the art committee, you know, to look at other art other than just murals because that seems to be the only thing we're
getting now is murals. And I think there's more that we can do in the city other than murals. >> Well, no, they're um they've got the sea turtle sculpture that's coming that the public voted on. um the big sea life in the city that is being done by Havoc Studios which is local team um Jenny
Hager and Lance Vickery and that was the one probably came to you guys it's it's been a minute um and right now we're working with D because the location is within where D will have some say so on what we can and can't do and the type of
concrete footer we need for an 8 foot tall sea turtle sculpture requires some approval there. Um, so they've got that. And then the last time we took the pier parking lot, um, the pier entryway sculpture to council, that kind of got put to the side and shut down and we were told not to focus on that until the pier was fully complete. Now that the
pier is complete, at the next art committee meeting, they will be revisiting the call to artists um, for the massive pure and joy sculpture. So murals are great and lovely and, you know, not in a bad way. They're just lowhanging fruit and they seem to be really popular. people enjoy seeing
them, taking pictures with them. So, we do tend to see those more, but we do have one sculpture under contract and probably before, well, not definitely before the end of this year, um, we'll have a second one that'll be pretty massive under contract as well.
>> Any other comments from anybody on the board? Seeing none, uh I guess I will entertain a motion to approve or disapprove the agreements uh for the artist for these dumpster um murals. Is there a motion?
>> Motion to approve. >> We have a motion to approve. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> We have a motion and a second. With that, um clerk, would you do a roll call vote, please? >> Ron Whittington. >> Yes. Megan Edwards,
>> yes. >> Kevin Meyers, >> yes. >> Sydney Talcott, >> yes. >> Gard Patel, >> yes. >> We have approved um six murals. >> You're going to have fun dealing with six different artists.
>> So, >> good luck, Taylor. We've always I I know I've sang their praises and and the art honestly the arts professionals in this area, but knock on wood, they've been truly nothing but incredible to work with and I'm grateful and um it's worth
noting that one of these we've already worked with. So I do know his work and how that is. So I've got five new people and I'm I'm excited. I think it's going to be great. >> Great. Thank you. The um next item on the agenda is items
for discussion and the first item that we have under there is urban trails. And um I think this comes out of u our uh joint workshop session where we had conversations about the possibility of
doing some further development of urban trails within the CRA districts. And so Taylor, I'll let you present that if you would please. >> Yes. All right. Um so as the chairman said, um council did confirm for the CRA
to explore um some segments of the urban trail. Um we do have statutory requirements that we have to meet when we do a CRA capital project. Um given that and just kind of the master plan at this time, what makes the most sense and
we've had some internal meetings already to figure out what makes sense and uh what's feasible this fiscal year. We all feel very confident that the uh threshold along South Beach Parkway makes the most sense. It will connect to the passive park which then connects to
the Jacksonville Drive segment and then it also connects to the park and the playground that the CRA funded and paid for. So, we feel that makes a lot of sense. Uh, we do already have a contract in place with Mayor Construction who did the Jacksonville Drive segment and they
did the Pier parking lot. Um, from staff's perspective, they were extremely responsive, on time, did what they said they would and were wonderful to work with. So, we have asked them to give us a quote. um if we utilized our continuing services contract, what we'll be looking at to do this trail segment
once we get that number and figure out, okay, is it in budget or even if it's a little over, you know, where can we kind of pull some money from? And I anticipate and then I fingers crossed, we will probably bring that to you guys in the March meeting um to go ahead and get some approval and hopefully get
moving on that South Beach Parkway segment. Um not saying that downtown doesn't have segments that could be done. And it certainly does. They do get a little more complicated because of a number of things. One being they all
pretty much connect to a portion of the greater city trail plan which crosses Third Street. Um which we cannot touch. Um I also had to get really, you know, we have to be cautious. If it's in the city CIP, we cannot do it unless it's come off of that CIP for three years.
Uh, and then they all also connect all the way down to First Street, which I did get back all of the data from the traffic study. I got that and was going over that this morning. So, we will also be bringing that to you guys sometime in March or April. Um, I've got to set up a meeting with the consultants to help
digest some of that data and make it presentable. Um, so, you know, Beings is now First Street is going to potentially be a project here in the very near future now that we have that traffic study data. it just doesn't seem um fiscally responsible to kind of dive off these two block little chunks until
we've kind of got some of the bigger picture done. Um so I'm happy to answer questions, take any feedback, comments, concerns. Um but that is the staff recommendation would be to proceed hopefully with that South Beach Parkway section and hold off on anything
downtown at this time. >> Open it up for um feedback to uh to Taylor. Any thoughts, comments from anybody? >> Have a question? >> Yes, sir. >> I want to make sure I'm looking at the map. So, we're we're are we talking from
uh we're looking at the section from Third Street uh I guess west to uh South Beach Parkway. Is that >> No. So, Third Street West Southeast Parkway is done. That's Jacksonville Drive. >> Okay. >> So, that's the portion that runs behind um >> the mobile
>> runs behind Nordstrom Rack Home Depot. Okay. Okay. >> And that was very recently completed. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. >> And actually what um I call it the South Beach Parkway segment, but what it would be is uh in blue from the Jacksonville
Drive up to the orange portion of Oyola. >> Um our district does not go to the right down Oyola, but we do go to the left kind of there along the park. And we would also include that left piece as well in front of the park. Yeah. So >> Okay. Um I'm I'm glad Jody, thank you for pulling the section up. But it we're
calling it South Beach Parkway, but it is that additional little chunk from um Oyola to I can't remember what road that is at. >> It's like Horn or something like
>> That's right. It's Williams. cord >> ultimately that that makes sense because maybe that's William Street because William Street is the one that ultimately runs along the school. Yep. >> And that way we tie into the school that allows um you know students the ability
to get to the school at least from that segment of South Beach Parkway. >> Right. And I mean, at that point, it really does give them from the school safe transit from the school down to Oyola all the way down South Beach Parkway to Jacksonville Drive in any of these neighborhoods where they may or
may not live, you know, places they can go. That really does tie together two huge pieces of this overall um trail segment. And you know, with that being said, again, we will make sure if this is the route we go and everything goes
smoothly, um, again, really big on making sure we're communicating that to the public, making sure people are aware. We don't want anyone to be surprised. We don't want to just one day someone wake up and they're like ripping out the sidewalk that's currently there. So, um, we will work very closely with the communications department to make
sure that the public and the residents in that general area are very aware of what's going on. >> Okay. Thank you. So ju just help me understand in this depiction that's up on the screen right now. Do you know what the difference is between the green, blue, and orange
color? >> I do. And it trying to think of a like a nice way to they it doesn't matter. It's all the same thing. It was just when we had the master plan done, it was just coded differently to uh the blue I believe was
considered like the major loop segment that kind of took you all the way around everything and then the orange were connectors. The green was called something else, but it's all the same trail plan. >> If you go to the other map, it doesn't show a depiction of the I know.
>> So, I I didn't know if that had to do with phasing or if it was >> No, unfortunately. I I wish it did. I wish we had something simple that it was phasing or something like that, but unfortunately it's not. It just had to do with the way they categorized trails and what parts of town they connected
them to. That's all that meant. Well, going back to that other diagram, um, one thought that I had was it would be good if there was some way of, you know, doing a portion of that
orange uh, segment that's uh, from JT Butler to Jacksonville Drive. so that you can kind of tie in the uh the retail into some of that because there's a lot of people
that use that sidewalk to pedal over to the retail. >> Okay. >> And if we're doing this, maybe it would make sense to extend it and >> finish it off at least some to JT Butler. >> Okay. >> Um
>> that's just my thought. I >> I think it would as long as we're in the process of doing it, I think it would be helpful. >> Okay. to just finish that segment off. >> Yep. >> And again, that segment along Marsh Landing Parkway doesn't show up in the
larger plan. It only shows up in the smaller plan. So, I don't know if there's a desire ultimately to do that along Marsh Landing Parkway. Um, you'll have to help me there. But um again, if you look at that diagram, it
doesn't show anything going, you know, over towards JTV. Really? >> No, it doesn't. And the orange I should have printed out the whole plan, but it's a lot of paper and I did not um these orange may be just like
existing areas that were high traffic. I'm not entirely sure. I'll look back and see and I'll see why it's on this plan and not on the proposed network map and I'll let you know. >> Okay. >> So, I'm sorry. I just I do not have that answer right this minute. >> Taylor, I'd like to just, you know, I always like to make sure that we do
everything complete and and one thing that you that you may need to know. I just had a conversation with Mike and it was a very brief brief conversation. I'm not exactly sure how that ca how it came up, but we were talking about the
intersection of South Beach and uh what's called Riptide or Ocean K. That pedestrian crossing that's at that location. That thing is doesn't function. It doesn't function well. It's
difficult doesn't stop the traffic, let's put it that way. >> Okay. um coming down South Beach. I've crossed that intersection numerous times and the cars do not stop. I mean, you really have to be careful. And that's where the school buses drop the kids
off. So, the conversation kind of went, well, what if we did an enhanced uh pedestrian crossing there, similar to what's done on Third Street. >> Okay. and you know the new ones that I guess it was the state that put up the uh and I don't remember the exact
locations but uh is it maybe Third Street North and further up I don't know there's several of them on Third Street, >> but maybe it it's something that we need to look at possibly at the same time. I don't know.
>> Um >> doesn't hurt to look. But I just wanted to make you aware of that that that was he like had indicated that he was going to have a conversation with with public works because he had some questions that he needed to get answered and I don't know where that
stands. That's kind of as far as the conversation went. >> Yeah, I am happy to follow up on that and yeah, see if we can do something. >> Okay, thank you. >> I don't know who uh signed in here, but Megan, why don't you go ahead? I apologize. Sure. Um, no, I I agree with
Gary in terms of uh it make kind of makes sense we're going to be finishing it all the way in JTV. I mean, it's a straight line, right? It's I know it's not that easy, but um to finish it all all the way. I think that makes sense. Okay. >> Um and I agree. I think in other areas
where this is going to be, right, where it's a larger area, it's set to be a a a trail clearly. I still think that that there needs to be more of a distinction to Gary's point right where that right where we're talking about where it's like a game of Frogger. Like every time
you see people going by there I'm like oh my god oh my god. Um so I even if we finish it out we're basically creating a a runway for people like use this walk here. I think we need to make sure that we're taking that extra step. Are we putting something extra to slow the not
necessarily slow the traffic, but make it I I don't know that just making it wider right now is going to be enough. I would like to see a little bit more because we want people to walk it, but it's still it's dicey. Yeah. >> Um, but I'd like to see something
something more there. >> Yeah. Just as a point of clarification, I pulled the um the master plan and that JTP stretch is on there. So, looks like we've got two different >> like the the copy that's in here is a
little different than the one that's on the website, the city's website. So, >> um it looks like it is in scope, which is good news. >> Yeah. >> Um but yeah, I'll just add that and then concur with the safety concern however we can make it the safest for folks. Okay. for
>> anything else. >> Um, yeah, just going back to the uh conversation around phasing um and how that's communicated out to the public. I think that I'm I'm sure our marketing team is will be all over it. But um if
there is an opportunity for the um for the CRA to contribute to how the phasing is communicated or you know future planning I'm sure it takes it'll include many parties in addition to us but um maybe it would just be something for us
to keep in mind to consider for future agendas. >> Oh yeah do not worry if I ever need help putting door hangers on people's doors again. I promise I will call everybody. That is a real thing. I've done it several times. Uh usually we time these really bad too and it's like the dead of
summer when we decide to put door hangers out. So that's never been fun. Um but I mean we've literally gone as like grassroots basic as just putting hangers on people's door with QR codes to set up meetings to learn more about certain things. And honestly it worked
really well. Um, so we will take several different approaches to this because we just want to make sure that everyone feels like they know what's coming and no one's surprised and shocked and we know that not everyone gets their information from the internet. They just don't. Um, so I will keep everyone in the loop on kind of what that plan looks
like and then any opportunities to go doortodoor with me. also. >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. Definitely. Okay. >> Any other thoughts, comments from
anybody that um they want to provide? >> Taylor, does that give you enough to go on? >> It does. I mean, yes. Thank you. Um like I said, I'll take some of his feedback, add a little bit more length there on the end to getting a number from the contractor and then probably have this
for you guys in March or April. Um but yeah, I think we've we've got enough to keep this moving and I anticipate this one hopefully we'll be able to move on pretty quickly. >> Is is it the intent to dubtail this with the um construction of the passive park? >> Great. Y that be that'd be
>> we may or may not have asked for a quote on the pass park. >> A fantastic addition to the community. That was really the uh the last of the agenda items under items for discussion, but I see in our audience, Curtis
Loftess, is there something that you wanted to address to uh the CRA? I know you walked in just a little bit late, but >> yeah, if you would. >> If you would just >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Hello everyone. Curtis Loftess, do I to
give the address? It doesn't matter at this meeting. Okay. It's good to see you guys. >> The chairs, that's all. >> Pretty informal. All right. >> Uh yes, you know me as the executive director of the chairs. I I was just I
guess um I went looking for an update on the park space um laid them from just a general redesign and I've heard a couple things related to timing just in meetings early in the season with parks and wreck. It it sounds like
there could be I guess a bid going out and if that's happened um really for us as an organization just trying to prepare if there is shovels in the ground and stuff work getting done. I've kind of heard it might be western third
of Laam you know where the the statue is and that sort of thing possibly going under construction. So what I'm doing right now is just planning the best I can for what might be available. So, I just kind I thought I come on down and I
know I probably could get Taylor and say, "Could you provide maps or anything, but and I certainly want to continue to be an advocate for this as it moves forward. We just as an organization that space gets to be pretty tricky and we want to handle it
properly with our visitors and the partners that we have and all that sort of thing. I fig I'd stop in and get a status without chewing up a bunch of time. >> Taylor, can you just give a quick update as to what you know is to where you stand with that?
>> Yeah, I might know a thing or two. Just just a few. Uh, so I've actually met with Allison and Parks a couple of times and truly the only reason you guys and the majority of the event promoters haven't been contacted yet is we're just still waiting on that final timeline. I wish I had a better update than we're still waiting. Um, but what we've ran
into is to get our permitting, we're having to do a lot more in-depth electrical engineering work than we anticipated initially. Um, because of our requirements to protecting our marine life. We don't want to do anything that damages them. But with that does come a lot of permitting. So, we are still in the permitting phase
with um, Fish and Wildlife and D right now through our consultant. Uh, we'll have a meeting with them next week to kind of see where things stand there. Uh we're obviously very aware that several events have already have events planned and contacts with parks throughout the end of the year. Um
our goal is to time this where we're being as minimally disruptive to you all as possible. Um until we have that meeting with our consultants to see where our permitting is. I'm just not super comfortable giving a timeline just
yet. Um, but we and myself in particular are very aware of decked chairs and what it brings to the community as well as all of our events in the fall. We have October Fest. We have several. Um, and if it's something that, you know, we do have to hold back a few months to be less disruptive, then I think that's
something that, you know, we would take to the agency and to council that everyone would be open to. And when we do have that timeline, uh, one of the first things we're doing is anyone that has an existing event, which you would, we will be reaching out and setting up individual meetings with those people.
>> Yeah. And again, just to be clear, we this thing for years has been going on. I've been tracking and talked to Gary and talked to everyone and had, >> you know, early on just concerns, worries, all that. But I tell you, the more we've looked at it
and just imagine what could happen with the space and all the things that trying to do, I mean, for us as a community partner, we want to, you know, we want this win-win. Obviously, I just >> was like, okay, do I design >> the space because I have to kind of
think that now. >> Yep. >> As just all right. Yeah. >> Sorry, Jody. >> My bad. So, so what I've done Initially the board as we've met have shared you
know concepts how the park could look with a third of it gone and kind of that's how I'm approaching it. Is that foolish to think that way? >> Um no >> because I don't want to show someone something.
>> I mean I would definitely say no. I will say this deck the chairs is one in particular that we're doing everything in our power to not be disruptive to. I mean we just are crazy things happen things happen we could get under construction and something happened delaywise but to the 13 you are
absolutely correct the first phase is only the western third from pretty much the the statue is a good point to city hall >> I took my layout I just went to the sidewalk that's ahead of that so to >> we'll call it to the east of the statue
there's that first sidewalk right >> I just kind of took all that away Yeah, I mean that seems probably appropriate. Again, I'm hoping that >> it for me if it happens >> that could be the plan, the backup plan, kind of the emergency plan, and hopefully we won't have to do that at all. Um, but as far as having a backup
in case, I would say that yes, that's a very safe option. >> Okay. >> Um, and again, I'll I'll reach out to you after our meeting next week with our consultants just to kind of provide just some more answers and a better comfort level. >> Cool. Um, and we can kind of chat a
little more offline just about the process and realistically what we're looking at timeline when we'd like to be under construction. And >> um, >> yeah, >> we'll we'll help you out. We'll make sure we can, like I said, I I can't I'm never going to promise anyone we're not going to cause a hiccup because >> I'm just not willing to take that bet.
We've we've had projects, you know, you always run into things you're not expecting, but we'll do everything we can to >> I think this one has been on the slate for quite a while. And and yeah, and we're after last year thinking it might have happened and then this year early enough
in the year hearing, well, there's a good possibility. >> You know, my recommendation to the board is we imagine that, you know, that third of the park is probably gone. Even if it doesn't happen that way, I just wanted to if I get a map from you again that shows something updated, that would be
great. But that's kind of how we're proceeding. >> Yep. >> I think that's safe. And like I said, I'll I'll reach out to you. >> From my perspective, I think, >> you know, you've got some basic parameters at the moment, right? You need to maybe develop your plan as you see appropriate and then as staff gets
additional information from consultants and contractors, we'll develop our plan. And sometime we got to sit down and mesh those two plans and decide exactly how to make it work best for for everybody really. >> So yeah, a little bit further down the
road from what I'm understanding, but uh hopefully fairly soon that can happen. >> Yeah, and all of us I know are all about public safety. So that's kind of the ultimate goal we have is just to see the space well in advance so that
we're not making some kind of promise to people it's doesn't work out. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Yeah. >> No, thank you. Appreciate it. Uh we were on our items for discussion. Um, are there any items from any of the board
members that they'd like to bring up um for discussion? Any thoughts? Of course, I've got a couple. Um, I'm going to I'm going to bring up First
Street. I don't know if staff is aware of it. Maybe you are because there's a couple of cones sitting out there but in front of um Spring Hill Suites where the dumpster um goes into their enclosure.
>> Yeah, >> somebody dropped something there pretty heavy because it create it broke the um the pavers in that area and there's at least 12 to 18 inch deep hole there. um
just starts to bring more to my attention the fact that we're going to need to really do something with First Street pretty quickly because there's things I think that are undermining the pavers is a lot of now dips and
>> jogs in those pavers. Um, and I don't know what we're going to do on even on a temporary basis, but we may need to do some things temporarily >> to take care of some real bad conditions we have out there. >> Yep. >> Um, but again, I just wanted to bring
that to your attention, but please go take a look at that because there's two cones that's kind of out in the middle of the not in the middle, but on the right side of the drive aisle going north. Yep. >> And somebody's going to hit that with their car and uh it's going to be
>> public works is I actually talked to public works right before this meeting and they're actively trying to figure out what to do with that situation. So they're very much aware. >> Okay. >> Um but as you know it's it's it's never easy trying to fix anything in a roadway. It's really not easy when it's
papavers. Um, so but public works is actively on site trying to figure out what exactly happened and what we're going to do about it. So I anticipate in the next couple of days I'll have a better update for you. Um, but right now I just all I know is they're actively trying to figure out what even happened.
>> Yeah, it's really surprising me because it almost looks like somebody dropped something very heavy in that location and >> there's no telling. And then of course there was no subbase or something underneath it which broke through all the pavers, >> broke up some of the pavers. Um
>> yeah, it take it takes a pretty hard hit to make that happen. So >> I I think I'd like to take a minute and just try to I don't know that I can address the situation from this past weekend.
Um, I think it is important for all of us to really come to understand the the issues that our police department is having to deal with. I know Ron and I are getting firsthand experience in the uh CPA program that we're going through
right now in understanding the difficulties of dealing with something like what happened this weekend. And it's um it's really unfortunate. I I think our police department works hard. They do a lot of investigation,
a lot of uh foresight, and uh sometimes things get out of control no matter what you do. Um it's unfortunate that and I'm going to use that we've got these kinds of thugs running around and destroying what we're doing and what we're trying
to improve in this city to bring it to a different level. And I think we as a board need to make a commitment that we need to help and and figure out how we can make this downtown a better place
for everybody. And over the next months, I thought I would hope that we're going to have some conversations through our workshops and things to talk about that. What do we do to mitigate some of these things that we we've been seeing over
the last couple of years? Um, I know we've done a lot in providing funding for the police department. Uh, uh, but there may be some other things that we need to look at. We need to work together as a as a team, not only us,
but along with staff, along with city council, along with the police department to find the solutions that are going to hopefully bring us the better downtown that we all want and deserve because I think, you know, I'm hearing from residents very quickly that
they've had enough. It's it we're not going to deal with this stuff anymore. But what is it that we're going to do? How are we going to change? And we need to have some very serious conversations on how we mitigate it.
Those are my personal thoughts. Um not the board's thoughts. Those are my personal thoughts. Um, I um I hope that uh we can continue to find the right avenues to uh prevent things like this
from happening in the future, but it's going to take some work on all of our parts. Um I don't know if anybody else has any other thoughts or comments. Um I see none. So with that, um I'll
entertain a motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> We have a motion and a second. Is there a second? >> I'll second that. >> And a second. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed? We