Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. I'd like to welcome you all to the uh special meeting of the Community Redevelopment Agency. Uh this is Wednesday, May 14th, 2025, and it's right at 3:00. So, we're
going to um start our agenda. I would ask for a roll call, please. Yes. Marcus Campy, Miss Sydney Talcott here, Mr. Thad Mosley here, Mr. Gary Payton here, Mr.
Ron Whittington here, Mr. Kevin Myers here, and Miss Megan Edwards here. Great. Thank you. Um, we're going to make a slight adjustment to our um agenda. instead of uh putting courtesy
of the floor to visitors uh towards the end of the meeting, we're going to move that up towards the beginning of the meeting. And at this point, here we go. Sounding very loud all of a sudden. You know, listen, we're still figuring out this new microphone system. Okay. Yes,
sir. Sorry about that. That's all right. Turn me off if it makes sense. Um, we're going to move the u courtesy of the floor to the visitors up to the front of our agenda. And I have one request now speaker request form. Mr.
Ken Marsh, if you would like to address the u the board, I would we will give you uh three minutes to address the uh the board. I think so. No. Oh, Mr. Marsh, I'm sorry. Can you press
right here on your microphone? Make a turn. Thank you. By the way, great system. It really is. It's a lot better. Ken Marsh 2027 Gail Avenue. I got a couple of handouts of which Taylor and Gary both have. Uh, but I didn't have
your emails and I'm really not sure it's appropriate to email you, but either way, I want to make sure Really what I want to talk about uh today is um keeping track of stuff. Okay. And by stuff I'm really talking about two areas. One is the maintenance
downtown and the other is the projects downtown. Um I went through downtown. Well, I go through depth down a lot, but there's a lot of maintenance items that are outstanding. On the sheet there, there's only three that I've brought to Taylor's attention, and hopefully she'll
update you guys on what the pro uh pro uh progress is on those. Uh for the sake of the audience and anybody that's watching, it would be the orange barriers that just sit out there, the Laam Plaza. it would be the uh condition
of some of the signage that we have, which we do have a sign initiative, but until we that happens, some of these signs just need to be taken down. Okay? And as you leave here today, I encourage you to look at this sign right outside of city hall facing uh as you're going
north. You can't read the sign. But and then of course, we've got the the problem that's been here for years, and that is what are we doing with the the mulch around the the planters? But that's just three. I can guarantee if we did a walkound right now, I could come
up with 50. And so the challenge here that I'm asking from this group is we keep talking about maintenance items. Let's think about a database for maintenance issues so we know what's out there, what needs to be addressed so the
citizens know that a it's within your radar and that somebody's held accountable with some dates, some timelines. Um, and and in addition to that, perhaps even a QR code that allows visitors to report any maintenance items
that look horrible so that it drops into the database so that you all can keep track of all the maintenance items. This is the 21st century. This should not be that hard. So, that's the maintenance items. The second thing is the projects.
uh two weeks ago, a few weeks ago, we talked about the sixth street or sixth Avenue North project uh which is encouraging, but many time these projects sit and they languish. Um and so I sent this email out to the group
that says, "Look, where are these projects?" The citizens just can't get excited anymore. We see these plans and they don't they don't go anywhere. And again, for the sake of the audience, some of these
projects include Sydney's Behind the Band Shell, Dolphin Depot property, Johnson and Johnson redevelopment, Old Bose Coral Reef, Mango's area, the P3 L Lean Plaza, the Plaza Park itself, urban
trails through the downtown area, and now this new 6th Avenue North. Now, I sent this and Sandy Golding, just so you know, she introduced that into the council briefing on Monday and Mike did say that something would happen with
that. And I encourage this group to hold the city manager accountable to deliver to you guys where are we at with these projects. You guys are in charge of redevelopment. If you don't know what's going on, we sure don't as citizens. So
again, the the recap here is let's keep track of stuff at minimum for you guys, but ideally as citizens, I'd like to know what is going on downtown. Just improve our communications. Thank you very much,
Mr. Marsh. Thank you. Um, I would just ask be um before you leave, we were just handed a um a staff update of um a number of the projects that you had just mentioned. Do we have an extra copy of that?
Uh, you know, I'd be willing to give mine up, but this might answer some of your questions. Won't necessarily answer all of them, but you're welcome to seeing what information we have at this point in time. and then uh hopefully we can start addressing the rest of um your
concerns. Well, thank again for all the citizens. I know it's just I don't want it to be about me, but you know, no, I understand, but I just thought this would be helpful. Okay. Any other um speakers that we have this
afternoon? Not. Okay. With that, we'll move on to the next part of our agenda, which is the approval of minutes. Uh we have before us the community redevelopment agency meeting minutes uh from March 24th,
2025. Any comments, corrections from any of the board members? Seeing none, I will call for a verbal approval. All those in favor say
I. I. I. I. I. opposed. Uh meeting minutes are approved. Second item is the uh community redevelopment agency workshop meeting minutes held on April 18th,
2025. Any comments, corrections, additions, seeing none, again, verbal uh approval is what I'll seek. Um all those in favor say I. I. I. I. I.
opposed. Meeting minutes are approved. With that, um, are there any items in reference to the old business that um, we need to address at this point? Um, Mr. Chair, I'll leave this completely up to you. If you think just because a lot of the
staff updates are kind of ongoing topics that we've discussed before, if you think it's appropriate to talk about that under old business, I'm happy to hit on a couple of key points from um, some of the staff project updates. I'm also happy to wait until later in the meeting. Your call. Okay. Um why don't
you go ahead and give us an a brief um run through on the staff updates. I think that'll be helpful for everyone to uh to understand where we're at. Sure. So, um Pier parking lot phase one, the hardcaping portion is done. Uh the you
will still see the fence up. Uh we do not have our traffic signage in which is required um for safety reasons before we can remove the fence. That I believe has actually since I typed it's been delivered and that will be going up and they have the fence scheduled to come down Friday. Um crews are still going to
continue with landscaping and then we've got bike rack installation going on there. um phase two of the project, which is the rest of that parking lot, the asphalt, remilling and restriping, and then the landscape and upgrading the lights and all of the parking medians, that is anticipated and budgeted for
right now in FY26. So, we can anticipate seeing that in the fall. Um the P3, we have got our final document back from Jones Edmonds. Um we're now just waiting on the hard copy delivery because we have to have that signed, sealed, and stamped by a certified um engineer. and
we are combining that with our procurement policy document for the P3. So, as that continues to move, um we will obviously let you know, you won't just wake up one day and that will be out issued. I promise we will let you know long before that happens. Um I'm going to kind of jump
down a big one in here that I wanted to brief you on because the timeline on this one is a bit aggressive. Um, we have a meeting with the art committee tomorrow uh to talk about the pier parking lot uh restroom facility. We've been talking about doing murals on all of the large restroom facilities in the
downtown. This one right now, just because we just did the dumpster enclosure, we've received a lot of really positive feedback on that. Um, the parking lot is now wrapping up. There'll be landscaping. It seems like a really good time to just kind of get in there and finish some nice touches. Uh, so we've kind of got some details about
that mural in here. square footage, total project budget, um everything's remaining consistent with what we've been doing with all of our murals. Uh the reason this is kind of critical is in theory, the art committee will say, "Okay, yep, we're going to issue that call." That call will go out this Friday
in tentatively. Um they will then have a special meeting on June the 6th to review and make their recommendation. We will bring that to you guys. We have um and I gave you your meeting sheet. We already have our workshop scheduled for June 11th um right before our workshop.
We will do a special called meeting that same day. So, we're not going to add any extra meetings on you. We will just double up um to have you guys review that recommendation and then either accept or reject that recommendation tenatively should it be accepted. It is scheduled right now on council for June
the 16th. And much like we were kind of trying to hit the beach's opening weekend with this one, we're trying to hit Fourth of July weekend. So, we would like to see that completed before Fourth of July weekend. So, if you feel like it's a little bit of a push, it is, but that's the intent there. Um, again, once
they make their recommendation, the art committee, we will send that to you guys immediately that evening, I will send that out to you so you have ample time to look at what they've recommended. And then in this, I've asked and I'll ask again, and I'm sure I'll ask a third time in email. um any comments, questions, concerns with whatever their recommendation is or anything that comes
out of that meeting, ask me, you know, as soon as you have the question so we can make sure that everybody is comfortable and understands. Uh this one will also be another local only call. So we'll issue this again locally before we even go to looking at a mural on that
building. Um there needs to be some significant renovation of that. It's being done right now. Excuse me. It's being renovated right now. All the insides are being repainted and refinished. Um they've had to order new parts for some of them and then the exterior is going to get an upgraded
painted just like a base coat. Um in fact parks just put the requisition in like last week. Um so they're doing all the improvements. If we're doing that that's great because but when I went by there just today there's no activity. So I had No, they just put the requisition.
I walked in there and it's poor. Yep. And I, you know, I appreciate the fact that we want to do a mural, but that was, you know, the backside of that building was where we had the um graffiti and so forth and um we we really um need to take a hard look at that building and make sure that the
graffiti is gone. I can tell you that. I was just out there. There's no graffiti. You're correct. You're correct. But yes, the necessary renovations are happening. We literally just approved um the requisition. So, they'll get those done and then we'll be able to get an artist in there. Just like I said, I know it seems kind of like a push timeline. And
if at any point the vote is no, that's okay, too. I mean, we there's no must that we have to reach a certain deadline. So, if at any point anyone's uncomfortable, that's also completely fine. I just wanted you guys to understand why it may seem like it's kind of being pushed, um, that's happening. But while we're all working
through artist submissions, reviewing parks and wreck, we'll be renovating the space as well. So, it will be nice and clean and updated before the artist gets in there and starts painting. Fantastic. Uh, Leam Plaza, we have reviewed uh
staff reviewed 60% construction drawings and just to ensure at this point that it was aligning with all the design elements that the CRA and council approved. We didn't want to wait until we got to 90 and then realize that it was kind of off. Um everything is in alignment with what was approved. We
anticipate our 90% construction drawings and opinion of probable cost sometime in late June. So I anticipate we will be seeing this as a group sometime in July uh if we stay on time. And I will say right now hats off to our team over at HAF. Um they gave me a timeline and I
kind of was hesitant. I'm like that seems a bit aggressive. But thus far, they have met every milestone um that they've put on themselves. So hopefully we will bring those construction uh drawings to you guys at that 90% mark um in July. Um and then just a couple of quick
development updates. Um the former Salt is I'm sure everyone has now seen the news article. It will be a coastal Seismore's coastal kitchen. Um they're anticipating opening sometime next month. Uh Bricks Tap House has submitted their permit application for their patio. So that is all in. So soon as
they get those permits approved, they'll be able to begin construction. That'll be a huge upgrade downtown. Uh in the south end, TJ Maxx is opening Sunday. So everybody's a lot of people around city hall are very excited about that one. Um and in the same shopping plaza, um Back
9 has submitted for a tenant buildout and it is a simulated golf um company. So I don't know, it's just something unique that's going down there. So that'll be filling a tenant space. Um, Bose Coral Reef is ongoing, um, albeit quite slow. One thing I did
want to point out, I talked to the building official today a little bit about that. Um, just to get a better understanding, they chose to utilize private provider for all of their inspections. So, you're we're allowed to do that. Um, for the Florida state statute that kind of ops how the
building side operates. Um, with that, basically what we get is we get the private providers their remarks and their permits. And so our building official isn't actually going out for every single little inspection. So I do tend to agree that sometimes it may seem like
there's not a whole lot of updates. Um and it's just unfortunately because there's there's just not. Uh I do know that they did just I had actually one of um our permit techs pull it up today. They had their framing inspection. They passed their framing inspection. So they have at least got framing done. Um but
that is all we know at this time. Um, and then just kind of something we added in there just because I know this comes up a lot and it's one of those things that sometimes maybe I feel like we know what's going on a lot just because we're in this every day. Um, we do have a lot of private properties in the downtown and a lot of the properties
are either vacant or empty or it's just an empty lot. Um, you know, we engage with property owners. We check in regularly. You know, what incentives could we offer? What do you guys need from us? You know, what opportunities are there? um the final decision really
ultimately remains with the property owner. Um and sometimes, you know, in many cases that they may have plans and discussions and tenants and things like that. Um but they're just not ready as a private property owner or a building owner to make those intentions known. Um so a lot of times it may seem like
there's not a lot of activity and then kind of bam, everything hits at once. Um it's just kind of unfortunately the nature of the beast sometimes. Um, but with that being said, we are exploring creative approaches to work to identify some long-term, maybe even temporary solutions to utilize particularly vacant
lots that are just sitting that buildings have either been torn down or never built. Um, because there are some opportunities we think there. So, we are actively working on that. Um, and then other than that, I also passed out just a meeting schedule. We've got a lot coming up. Um, on your sheet, anything
in red is a special called meeting. Anything in green is a workshop and anything in black is our regular meetings. Um, so it's a little bit different. I will also make sure I send out calendar invites to everyone because there are a couple of changes. Um, and then we've got some council briefings
coming up, some council meetings. Um, and then on the last page of that are some upcoming events for the next about three weeks. And I'm happy to answer any questions anybody has. Okay. Questions from the board.
Um, yes. Um, CRA workshops are on the second Wednesday of every month. Yes, sir. We try to keep them on the second Wednesday. Every now and again it'll sneak up on us and we'll have to move one. Well, I noticed that uh July has
been moved. That had I off the top of my head, forgive me, I can't remember what scheduling conflict there was, but there was some scheduling conflict in chambers, so we had to bump that one out just a little bit further. Well, trying to leave the country for a couple of weeks sometime, and that's
right in the middle of what I was trying to bounce in between the other two. But you are actually the second board member, Mr. Mosley, that has said that date is a conflict for you. Um, let me go back to the legal team and talk. Uh, this is a training they would like to do, but it's not our ethics training or any of our necessary training that's
required by the state. So, this could very well be something that since we already have a couple board members that we know probably can't attend, we can see about rescheduling that. Just trying to find two weeks when I can. Absolutely. Waka. Yep. Um to get blunt
about it. Yeah. No, not this one. The real one. Not a problem. Quick question. Um uh the corner of um uh 4th Avenue North and Second Street North. Um we had much discussion about
turning it to a parking lot for low speed vehicles. I don't see or and I haven't heard anything about that long time. That is u my fault. I left it off the staff update. That's one of the things half is working on as well. The last we met with them. They had done
their conceptual drawings. Uh we liked what we saw, so they were going to finalize their conceptual drawings and then get us about a 60% engineered drawing to bring back to you guys. Um I'm hopeful that we will have that for us at our meeting next month to discuss. Just curious. Absolutely. Yep. That I shouldn't have left that off. I
completely slipped my mind since the deer weight crest departments are right next door. Yeah, absolutely. And how you getting in and out of there, the access, egress, and all that. Yeah. Is just as important as what these guys come up with on six. Some good ideas about how to keep things flowing. Well,
absolutely. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments from any of the board members? Sydney? Yeah, I just um had a question on the Laam Plaza and I remember that uh there was a little concern about then what uh how deck the
chairs would manifest and so I don't know if we if there are any proposed mitigations or if we'll still be able to have it. Um at this time we have not changed what was approved. Um, I mean to be completely blunt, we would have to go
back through the whole process and re essentially rethink and redo and retalk and we're about threeish years in. [Music] But what I can say is at least as far as we don't want to put decked chairs out. Nobody wants we don't put any event out
to be honest. So, you know, if these drawings and these plans come back and it's late fall, I mean, it's one of those things we're not going to recommend starting anything until after the holiday season. Um, and we will make every effort to be very proactive with all of the event promoters because we definitely want to be as non-disruptive
to them as possible. Cool. Got to say that this has been a planning process for three years and public and commercial and everybody's been invited to comment. There have been workshops about it. There's been much discussion about it and I didn't hear any
objections from this particular operation until last month. Three years is a long time to plan and spend money and time trying to get things organized and trying to get all the input we can. So timing isn't
everything, but timing has a lot to do with planning to get things done. And thank you. Well, I would just recommend we take, you know, get the plans. Let's take a look at them. Sometimes you can make small adjustments to u make some accommodations, but um let's let's get
the plans and we'll go from there. Sure. Yes, sir. I have one question in reference to uh landscaping and planters in the uh downtown area. Uh what is happening with that? I mean, we've got all kinds of um mulches now. I thought
we had agreed to the type of mulch that was going to be put into the planters and everything redone. Um I think a little bit is it's just a work in progress. I mean from third down beach to the lifeguard station is done and then now they're kind of
working back north um up the avenues which discussed quite yeah but they're starting to work their way up now. Um the Beach Boulevard corridor was kind of the priority by council and um administration. So, we hit that one first. And um I'll be really honest,
we've actually gotten a lot of um really positive feedback with how things are looking. And uh um so I will pass that along. But that's We've got we've got six different kinds of mulches. We've got black, we've got red,
we've got dirt, we've got some white uh crushed stone. when now we have some kind of uh stone that's been put in there that's uh glued together and stuff. So the white and the glued are the same stone essentially. Um the glued came from a lot of complaints we were
getting that it was going to impact infrastructure if the stone started to roll away. And so we all talked I think it was a workshop. It may have been a regular meeting. Um but that was the recommended product was to go with the um epoxy coating on that crushed stone.
Um, and you know, I I hear you that there's different materials, but there have been different materials. This isn't anything new, and it's it's unfortunately just a work in progress. Well, the way I remember it is that when we approved it as the board, it was for
a white um stone material. What's out there is not a white stone material. It's a different product. Yeah. It's a different product. And it's it it just surprises me to suddenly see that there and not have it come back to us in some
fashion where we could help um you know decide whether that's the direction we really want to go. Yes, it is white as you go down along Beach Boulevard, but there are several as you go up First Street, some of the planter areas where there's something different in there.
And I I don't know why that was put in there and what precipitated that, but um we really we really need to get we really need to get in there and look at that. I mean, it's it's been that way for several years now and we've been talking about trying to make it like
Disneyesque and uh we're far from it and well, we're you know, they're making their efforts now and and people are clearly unhappy with it. So, all right. Um, anybody else have any Megan? Um, first number one, I'm thrilled about
the pure parking lot. I think that's so exciting that we're making progress. So, I think bravo on that. Um, I know there a couple of months ago where we had somebody from Spring Hill Suites that came over concern having the Starbucks on the side. So, I think that's I actually talked to their GM today. Oh, did you? Yeah. And they actually
complimented um they said the project looks great and it was a little bit painful to get to this point, but they're happy with where we're at. Yeah. I want to give credit where credit's due. I know it's been painful. So, and it's been going for a while. So, I'm thrilled that that's moving along and that we do actually have, you know,
we're waiting for something to come in is always the waiting game, but that it's delivered and it's happening and there's things moving forward. I think that's great. Um, as far as Leam Plaza is concerned with the traffic, um, Sydney, I don't know if you've gotten a look at the plans recently. Um, but I do
think that they do accommodate they would accommodate it. And I agree with you on on that same note. Uh was it back in maybe February? We had a joint meeting with council and they had given us their opinion on some of the proposed traffic patterns over there. Y is that
for for us to make a decision? Is that going to be a part of these Laam project designs here or is that we're reviewing right now or is that going to come separately or So when you're talking about the traffic patterns like expanding the footprint to closing like second street is that kind of a little bit what we're talking yeah we were
talking about whether we're putting the the walkway through you know where we're putting the bike uh the walkway is it going to be where it's going to cross over where cars go or are we going to cut off and make it a oneway street or at this point those are not a part of these drawings. So, this is going to be
just kind of honestly right outside of city hall about a third of the way down Laam. Um, actually almost right to where the statue is and that that kind of rectangle. Um, and I think that was kind of it was pretty intentional to do that because I think that was the easiest piece to kind of digest of this and
really kind of start off on a good foot and do this piece really really well and then see how this goes. Mhm. Um I anticipate we'll have some big decisions and many many joint meetings and council in the future to work out those because those are going to be critical components of this. Sure. And I and I do
share some of the sentiment um as well as Mr. Marsh that was talking in terms of the little things and I do think it's on us to get on the city manager to do it. That's what everybody can see, right? They can't see all what we're doing here, what you all are doing. They're just seeing the little hole in the fence or the little, you know,
whatever it is. and we can do lean plaza and pure parking lot. We can do anything. So, um, but I want to applaud you all on on the efforts so far. Thanks, T. Thank you. Anybody else? Any further um, excuse
me, we have something. I'm sorry. Real briefly back to the CR meeting schedule. So, this Noug June regular meeting, is that correct? Right now, no, because we had two scheduled on that same date. Um, again, I'm I can play
around with the schedule. I know once it seemed like once we got into June and July, a lot of folks schedules, whether it be because of the summer or whatever's going, it it was very hard to nail down dates that worked. Um, and if something comes up and we need to have a regular meeting, then we
would still hold our fourth Monday in June. Okay. Like I said, I'm trying to schedule myself around when the regular and workshop meetings would normally occur. I as opposed to the other way around. Unless unless you're uncomfortable with it. I'm comfortable
just while we're all sitting here saying we can because the 16th was we originally did not have anything on July 16th, which is probably another reason you were thinking that was a good date. We originally weren't even going to do a July workshop at all. This was just requested by legal. So, I'm happy to ask
them if we can um bump that a few weeks or into the August meeting if if that works better for everyone. I'm I'm fine with that. Toward what? Take the July 16th meeting and go ahead and say that one's going to move for sure and that way everybody can just kind of cross it
off right now and I can send out the update back to the 9th perhaps or um I don't think the 9th was going to work. There were scheduling conflicts. Okay. This was the earliest in the month that it would work. So, if anything, we'll just bump that to our August workshop. And I think that makes the most sense
just to go ahead and move the legal team stuff to August 13th. Whenever it gets set, let me know and then I'll start making reservations. I will handle that for you this week. I promise. I don't have any. I'm trying to do it that way around, not the other way around. Okay.
Um, and again, thanks for all the stuff, but I know that you and the city manager have been walking around looking at things. And, um, you know, some of us are sitting here right here because of these things. And congrats on the pier. I just wish we'd started about two years
earlier, you and me both. Um, but that's huge. It's it's it's been gross. Yeah. And it'll be a lot better. Um, it's going to make a big difference when people come into Jacksonville Beach. So, now we just got to get a big old
piece of artwork at the end of that. Don't worry, that's coming. Just no arches, please. Okay, let us let us move on. Um, yeah. I do have one question about the meeting schedule also.
Typically, you know, the city clerk sends out the schedule at the beginning of the year, and that schedule included a May 27th date, which was the Tuesday after the Memorial Day weekend. So, my question is, is that meeting still on or
is that off? No, that meeting is not either. When they send that out, um, it's great that it gets sent out at the beginning of the year, but within about three weeks of that, I think every department is emailing them, hold on, that's not the right day. Don't do this, move this, move that. So, That's all that is not happening. No sir. Okay.
With that, I'd like to move on in our agenda uh on to new business. And the uh first item under new business is the uh adoption or deny resolution number 2025-04 amending the downtown
development plan um project chart. So um Taylor, I'll let you kick us off here in reference to this item. So, this um I'm gonna guess I am on the record, but for the record, this has gained far more
popularity than I ever could have thought. I don't know if anybody has looked at the news lately, but this is the First Coast and Action News picked this one up, so I uh this was exciting. Um no, the everyone, you know,
it it's a big deal. We've had a lot happen with the life-saving station in recent years and I think it's just kind of a really hot item. Um, so much like I said when in a couple of interviews that we've done. Um, this is not doing anything to historic designation. We're
not trying to get historic designation. It's already designated a historic building and it has been for quite some time. Um, the reason we actually have the objectives listed in our downtown plan that say we want to preserve any historic buildings and historical integrity. Um, so I mean on a technicality, could we have gotten away
and been fine in the statute? Probably. But why have a probably when we can very easily just amend a chart and add the project specifically? Um, so much like we talked about at our workshop, that is all this is doing. It's just calling out the specific project now that we know what the project is going to look like,
at least enough to add it to a chart. Um, and a couple of interesting facts. This is one of two historic buildings in the entire downtown. So, we really do want to do what we can to preserve this. There are not very many historic structures left. Um, and the life-saving
station has been um offering life-saving services now for over 75 years. So, we want to do our efforts to preserve and restore it so it can continue to offer life saving for another 75 and then somebody else can sit up here and do this in 75 years.
Um, I'm happy though to answer any questions. Uh, you guys had attached to your packet your resolution and then I did not attach the entire downtown plan. I attached page 17 which are the strategic projects. And if you look at the very last uh section of the
strategic projects, it has the life-saving station. It goes under strategic priority 4 for sustainability objective 42. estimated budget of about a million dollars and that is to have preservation and repairs done to the life-saving station.
Any comments or questions from the board? I have a couple of items I need to get clarified. Taylor. Um, under the state statutes, it says that the um that we can't construct or expand administrative
buildings for public bodies, police or fire buildings. This has houses uh ocean rescue which is part of the city operations. How do we get around that issue if that's uh truly what uh this building's
being used for? So there is a lot I we can speak on that. Um I would also encourage deferring to the city attorney. Um I would much rather him speak to that. Um but it's very similar to for example like the parks and recreation building.
Um there are ways under the statute and exemptions. Um ocean rescue does fall under emergency services purposes. Um much like we can fund a Cape building, this falls under that. Again, I'm if it seems like I'm speaking vague, I'll be
honest because I I am. I would much rather the city attorney speak to this. I don't want to put my foot in my mouth. Yeah. Well, I you know, I I've got some concern with that because we want to make sure we're clear from a legal standpoint before we proceed. It does go
on to say that unless each taxing authority agrees to such method of financing for this construction or expansion. So, do we have approval from the taxing authorities in order to be able to do this? Um, so this is step
one. We have to add it first and get a project added and then it goes to city council and then as always after we notify council the final notification and approval, we always send that to the city of Jacksonville. Um, and so, but it go it does go to the taxing authority last. To me, that's almost backwards. It
almost like seems like we ought to get the approvals before we start adding something because they've got to give approval for us to be able to do it rather than us. Um, so you're not necessarily approving the I mean this is these are estimates and this is just an estimate of what the project would cost
and what we are trying to add. You're not actually approving the project itself. I mean you're approving adding the addition of we would like to do this project but the project itself once we have a contractor and a scope and a fee. This is not that. This is just saying we want to add this because we added
historic preservation in the downtown plan. This project falls within that. But this is not actually approving the nitty-gritty of the project itself. You know, we are looking for approval on you know moving this project as part of um
the work effort that the CRA is going to do and based on the state statutes as I read them, we can't do it until we get the approval from the taxing agency. So, I think we either need to get the approvals or we need some kind of review by the attorneys to help us understand
what direction we're going here and that we're doing it in a format that's uh acceptable to the state. Sure. Um um the city attorney is an approver on all of our agendas and so any resolution that hits our civic clerk platform, it is reviewed by uh we initiate it. It then
goes to Heather. It then goes to the CFO. It then goes to the legal department. It then goes to the city clerk and then it goes to the city manager. So, um I'm perfectly comfortable with you guys pushing this to the next meeting or not approving it. That's completely fine. Um, but just for
comfort, every department that I just rambled off, obviously I can only speak for myself, not for the rest of the board members here, but I um I personally don't feel comfortable doing this at this time until we get some some clarification because we've gone down
this road before as it relates to the P3 development and we got to a point and suddenly the attorneys are telling us we need to do some different things. I want to make sure that we get all of our ducks in a row so that when we do move forward, we don't have to backtrack again. And I think that would be a um a
prudent thing for this group to do. And I think it would be worthwhile to bring in an independent attorney to sit down and review this with us um to help us understand somebody like Cliff Shepard who is wellversed in CRA documentation
as well as having worked with the city as well as our CRA in the past to give us a uh a reading on what we need to do and how we should move forward in reference to this item. That those are my thoughts on it.
um the resolution as it's written. Um you know, I've got some questions about the way some of it's written and then obviously the uh dates at the bottom of the resolution are incorrect because it's not the 28th of April, but um
and you know, we're looking we're looking at a million dollars from the CRA potentially for doing this project. Has the have we looked at other means for financing this uh renovation gone to the gone to the city of Jacksonville,
gone to the state, gone to the federal government for historic uh renovation of buildings? Only funding source. Um again, your concerns are completely valid. I I completely understand
um where this is, you know, why you would be concerned. Um I think maybe doing it in resolution format, you know, maybe it seems a little more aggressive than we needed to be. I just like everything to be black and white because I know when I started a lot of stuff wasn't in the form of resolutions and it
was very hard to find a paper trail. Um the reason again, you know, we did it this way is to just make sure that we have the project on our radar. um as far as you know in the end we could end up who knows getting a grant that funds it
100% but we are not going to put staff time into at least on CRA staff going after these grants if it's not even a CRA project. Um it just doesn't make sense to do that. I'm sorry it's not a CRA project.
Not until we make it one. Okay. Well, you know, those are my questions, comments. I don't know if anybody else has any other for followup in reference to that or um just one point. Um would it be possible
to consider that we could not go to the taxing authority until we had something of framework of what it is we wanted to do? You know, that they can't say yes to something that they don't know what it is. and could this be a way of
determining what it is so they can then evaluate it? So, this has happened before. That's that's the way I was looking. This happened back in 2015, maybe 2017. Um, where there was a project and it impacted the district,
but the scope of the work actually expanded outside of the district. And as chapter 163 says, if you're going to do a project outside of your district, you can. you have to have special permission from the taxing authority. So what happened is it was approved, it was discussed, it was planned for and then kind of once all the ducks were in a
row, it then went to the taxing authority and there there is a um agreement there is an interlocal agreement with Jacksonville Beach, city of Jacksonville Beach and the taxing authority that that project is and was allowed to be outside of the district.
Um, I assume if it was deemed this was something that needed that special permission, it would follow the same format. Well, I definitely agree that this building needs to be renovated. Um, being an art deco building that uh is probably one of my favorite styles of
architecture. Um, and having done some major historic art deco buildings in the past, I can see the value of doing it. I just want to make sure that we've got the um the right steps in place um before we move forward.
Gary, could we possibly approve it subject to specific legal review of the points that you've raised just to get it, you know, a little bit down the road? Yeah. I again, I am not a
voting member. I am just staff. My recommendation is that there's hesitancy. I would say either approve it as it exists or just defer till that June meeting. We already have a special planned for the beginning of the 11th anyway. I would say either do it fully
or defer once we kind of start doing things contingent. It just it makes me a little nervous. Megan, do you have some comments? I'm sorry. Oh, I was just going to say I think I kind of agree that maybe we should just defer to June. Um, just simply from I'm just trying to track
down page 16 because it shows page looks like just page 17 is attached to the proposed resolution. Um, and if we're putting it out for vote, I would like just it all to be there. Okay. For anybody here that's here, citizens that want to consider it. Um, and if we're
saying we have some concerns and now we want to put qualifiers on it, then maybe we just want defer is what I'm thinking. Maybe just defer to June. Okay. Meaning as well. Yep. Any other comments,
Kevin? Did you? I did, but I think through this conversation, I've gotten to where I need to be. Um, I was just full transparency. I was the question I was going to pose to
Taylor was really centered around if we approve it. I mean, if we approve approved the addition of the life saving station to pages 16 and 17, um, we still then are very ingrained in the process of
approving where we go from there. Absolutely right. And so I this is not I hate that the term is like approving the project. It's the addition of this ambiguous plan idea of this project. It's not the project itself. the project
itself is still very early on. Um, and I think with I think with that understanding, knowing that we will be involved in whatever comes from like this moment forward on this project, I'm other than maybe the the clerical ad
of page 16, which I think is a really important piece, I'm primarily in the space of supporting it because we will have the opportunity to discuss all of the details of the project moving forward. So, With that, I'll um I'll entertain a
motion. Uh Megan, you want to give it a try or Sure. All right. All right. Um, I'd like to make a motion um that on resolution number 2025-4 on amending the downtown plan uh
project chart to include the lifeguard savings station um that we pass on that right now and um have it discussed and voted at the June CRA meeting. I'm sorry, would you repeat the last part? Um to have it reviewed and considered at the June um 2025 CRA
meeting. Okay. Is there a second to that motion? Second. We have a motion and a second. Um, we'll do roll call, please. Yes. Uh, Mr. Thad Mosley. Okay. Mr. Gary Pel. Yes. Mr. Ron
Whittington. Yes. Mr. Kevin Meyers. Yes. Miss Megan Edwards? Yes. Okay. Thank you all. Moving on to the uh next item on the agenda, which is the uh adoption or
denial of resolution number 202505 adopting the beach alliance program. Y so this again is um just comes from the workshop we had. We talked about the previous resolution and then we talked about this one. Um, one
thing I really would like to make sure is understood in this is that this resolution adopts the program in principle. It is not something that we're going to in theory, if approved today, we're going to walk out tomorrow and this is going to start all hunky dory. Um, we're still finalizing some
key program details and once we've got those program details finalized. Um, I mean, even little things like I've got to still now work with um, information services to create a specific email account where emails go to and from for this specific program. And there's just
little things like that that we still have to work out. Um, once we've got it approved fully and then we finalize the program, we will make sure the agency is well aware. Um, so we're going to continue to coordinate with local businesses, internal departments, and stakeholders to make sure that when we
are ready to launch, it is a success a successful program. We'll entertain comments and questions from the board. Ryan, I think this is a great initiative and so I'd like to encourage the board to move it and approve it. Okay.
Any other comments? I'd like to make a couple of comments. Um, I agree. I think this is an initiative that needs to happen. Um, I I would just ask that there be a little bit more involvement in uh this
program by the CRA and member participation. We um talk about the city liaison and um designating a city staff member, but I think it would be prudent to also ha um part have participation by a member of
the CRA um with this uh leadership structure. And this is something we can talk a little bit further down the line as to who that specifically is, if it's um just one board member or um how we might want to do that. But I think that
participation would be real helpful and having our business leaders understand that um there is support for this and that um it it comes all the way from the board level. Um it's it's going to be important. You know, it's unfortunate to see the fact
that um Czechal Island Brewery is closed and that um you know, this kind of a program I hope would help and trying to figure Yeah, I know. I know there's a lot there's a lot of factors, but I and I will say since you mentioned that one,
I cannot speak too much on it, but that space is already filled. Okay. Um, so that's that's great. That's good to hear. I spoke with the building owner today. As a matter of fact, I've been told to tell everyone rest assured the space is filled and when an announcement
is ready and appropriate, they will announce. But that there is a great tenant coming into that space. We're very sad to see Jack go. I have really really good chicken wings. But anyway, I'm really sad they're leaving, but um the building owner has found a new tenant.
I would just ask in reference to the resolution that there be some slight modifications made to um the part of section two where it specifically says um you know to take all necessary steps.
I think we need to take the word all out. And then also um continuing on in that sentence it says including but not limited to. I would like to strike that portion of it too. Um I mean I'll be
honest with staff I'm not super comfortable with that. Um because that means that if there's anything that comes out that is anything other than coordinating with this steering committee and facilitating meetings um I have to then wait and come back to the CRA and ask. Uh the whole purpose of
this is to streamline and make things easier for the business and adding where essentially anything outside of basic functions for setting up meetings and talking to businesses then we have to come back and ask for approval is not going to do that and I think it defeats the point of this alliance respectfully.
Well, it's just that the um you know, going back to the original background information, it says that this is not a uh a final document and that there are still details to be worked out. And just to put a blanket statement in there that says all and including but not limited
to to me is um doesn't help us understand what really is going to be done. Okay. Again, that's completely up to agency. I Yeah, spoke my piece. Any other comments
from the board members? Right. No. Uh, with that, I'll entertain a motion. Wrong one. I make a motion to approve as as written. As written. Is there a
second? We have a motion and a second. Um, roll call, please. Yes. Mr. Thad Mosley, yes. Mr. Gary Pel, no. Mr. Ron Whittington? Yes. Mr. Kevin Meyers? Yes.
Megan Edwards? Yes. Thank you. That was item number two. Item B on the agenda. And moving on, um item C, um which is the redevelopment district RD resoning application for
1026th Avenue North for the mixeduse commercial and residential building in the downtown community redevelopment district. Mhm. I know we had a preliminary presentation at our last meeting and um Taylor, I don't know if
um you want to take this first or if we're going to turn it over to uh um I think for the most part we're going to turn it over to our lovely friends in the audience and uh we'll let you guys not sit there for the rest of the time. Uh but again, this we discussed in our
workshop um and this has not been approved yet. This is the first meeting where it will be up for consideration. And I do want to say at the meeting, we all kind of laughed and joked about, you know, can you have this at our next meeting? And we truly thought we were joking. So, props to you guys for really um pulling this together as quickly as you did and we will. Heather, do you
have anything you need to add? Nope. I'll let Cindy take it from here and then we can talk about our piece. Perfect. Thank you so much. Cindy Trimmer, one independent drive suite 1200 on behalf of the applicant. I have Chris Anthony and Andre Green from Corner Lot with me today as well as Bruce Berner from Boldline Design, the
architect for the project. I'm happy to run back through the slides if we need to go through them again, but we really don't have any changed the actual presentation that we showed you at the workshop. Since we met, we did have an opportunity to have a preapp meeting with all of the development services groups. We got some really great
feedback from public works, from fire safety, from the energy, and we're looking at maybe shifting just some things around internal to the project to make sure that we don't set ourselves up for failure for trash access in and out based on some of the things that the
groups have learned from other projects. Also had some conversations about how best to meter the utilities and where that goes. And we're coordinating with them on where that is best located, looking at maybe something off the alley. So, we may tweak some of, like I said, that floor plan just internal to
the building. Exteriorwise, weren't any comments that are going to affect what we're trying to accomplish here with having that really great pedestrian experience on first and second and sixth, still being able to wrap the corners with that retail restaurant so that we're activating all
of those corners. Um, we have advanced the discussions with our partners, still looking at the two different main options of either having the condominium product or the hotel product. Still anticipating being able to have more parking so that we
have public parking available within the structured garage and all of that again being interior to the project. So, like I said, I'm happy to run back through, but really no changes to the visuals that you saw at the workshop. We are very anxious to get going and we are
really really grateful again for everybody's support and the feedback that we have received and we hope we can have your support today. Thank you. Any other presenters or I think they're all just here for
questions. Okay. Um to the board any questions, comments about the uh design that it's really in line with what was presented to us earlier. Um, I went through it pretty carefully. I don't see anything in there that um I
have any objections to and and again, this has been a longunning situation and this looks like a great resolution to me. And the fact that they're uh proposing to move as promptly as they are, I think gets us past some of the um
concerns that have come up over the years when things are approved and nothing ever happens. Not to mention certain properties across the street from this one. I think we've approved three development plans for that in total across the street from this. Um I think this looks like something can
happen. So I'm very um happy about it. Thank you. Sydney, did you have any comments? Um, nothing specific, just that I I continue to be similar to Thaad excited by the the potential of this and I think
it would introduce a new level. It would it would raise the bar in a great way for um the quality of the architecture downtown and types of multi-use uh experiences. So, still a big supporter. Yeah.
Any other comments, Ryan? Uh, kind of ditto to the other folks. Uh, I I think it's a perfect mixed use. I mean, it's the density is right, the parking's there, you got your residential or hotel, whatever it's going to be. So, I just think it's a
it's a a really well thoughtout project for the for the space. Thank you. And the environment. So, Kevin And apologies, I was not at the last meeting. So, um, I did review before today and then the updated packet. Um,
as a whole, just going to go down the line and just echo all the comments. Um, very impressive, um, fully supportive, um, very detailed. So, appreciate all that. I I did just have a question about the
parking. It does seem like the parking that you're or I guess suggesting is above and beyond what is required, right? Um will the and maybe we just don't know the answer to this yet. Will the parking be
um like for the public? Will it be charged? Like will it be a charge for the public? Do you know? Do we have any idea of how that will be handled? This owner has multiple land holdings. So the intent is that we will have parking that will be available for shared use, but again also maintaining that we do want
to have ample for the retail that's planned for the area and to have public parking available. They're still refining how that's going to work as the overall development plan is being worked out. So I don't have an exact answer of what the charges might be for any of the
public spaces today. But the intent is again that we would have ample parking available for everything that's hoped to come online. Yeah, that's helpful. I didn't think you might have a perfect answer. So, thank you. Megan, did you have some comments? Do um it says in here that the proposed
maximum lot coverage is 100%. Um is that inclusive of the parking lot or through the chair? So, it is an integrated parking structure that would be accessed through the ground floor and then raised above the retail. So, yes,
there isn't surface parking contemplated. It would go to the property lines. Thank you. I um got a chance to really take a look at the plans after um the last meeting and again the art deco feel of the
building kind of complements what's happening across the street at Conso Marina. So, I I like the direction that it's taking. The um the thing that uh I still encourage you to do even more so because it's not
really evident in your plans or in the uh renderings is the outdoor seating and pedestrian um ways. It's partially covered and it's maybe what six, seven feet and wide. It
uh seems a little tight. if you're going to try to put tables and things like that in there that needs a little further investigation in my opinion. Um the uh rendering shows what I believe is one thing and I look at the plan and I
see something different and that is where is the entrance to this building and the plan it shows it in the center. When I look at the rendering it shows it towards the uh the eastern end of the building. Sure. There's multiple different ways to come in and out of the building. So the retail and all of the
storefronts again would frontront first wraparound up sixth and then wrap around the back onto second. Each of those storefronts has their own. The residential unit or the hotel whatever it ends up being comes off of first and that is integrated into those storefronts that would be off first. And
then as far as the parking, you see that coming in off of second and then there are breezeways for pedestrians to come out to access the sidewalk. And when you see those paths, those are pedestrian paths. Again, my my question is more about the front entrance to the building
on 6th Avenue North. And the reason I'm asking the question is that this supposedly these drawings get recorded and then they become the document as to how we move forward. And it kind of limits you as to what you can do after
that. And I just want to make sure we're all on the same page because again, it shows the entrance being in the middle in the plan. And when I look at the rendering, and I may be misreading the rendering, but to me it looks like the entrance is towards the eastern end of
the building. You can No, you have to go to the um front elevation, 6th Avenue elevation. If you could pull that one up um from the other angle uh of 6th Avenue. There you go. the it looks like
the um entrances there are just beyond the balconies. Um there's a recessed area there and that looks like it's the entrance to the building, but when I look at the plan, that's not where it is. I understand what you're saying to the
chair. So, the floor plan interior to the building is in a little bit of a state of flux, like I said, from that meeting that we had with all of the development services as we kind of move the jigsaw pieces around to see where utilities and trash and all of that need
to go. So, the exact place of that breezeway could shift along that frontage depending on how the storefronts end up laying out and the internal circulation needs to work within the garage. But conceptually the point is that there will be a pedestrian connection access off of sixth into that
interior. The the exact location is not locked in right now. So Heather, this question would go to you then. Would they have the flexibility to make that kind of adjustment um somewhere down the road uh if they need to do it? Uh yes through the chair for internal
modifications. That's well within the confines of RD resoning. it's if they, you know, had a street and needed to move it or wanted to expand or contract the building envelope, then we have a little bit of flexibility within the code. But for the most part, internal uh changes as long as they meet the intent
of the RD resoning are going to be fine. And obviously, we'll work with them. Like Cindy mentioned, the trash, we're trying to still work through that with public works and and some of the ins and outs and details with that. So, all the internal stuff will work out with them. Yeah, it's just when I read our regulations and um the recording
requirements and things like that, it got kind of restrictive as to what you could do. So, I just wanted to make sure there was the flexibility of this move that you had that ability to do it. We appreciate that very much. It's always kind of a balance when you're dealing with conceptual design and getting the
approvals on the front end and then as you fully engineer, staff has been great with working within those confines. So, but we do appreciate the question. I would just caution you about um um wind tunnel effects in the building.
Um mainly because we get a lot of north nor etherers and particularly with that front entrance wherever it may end up being. You can get some uh real strong breezes coming down through that entryway. You may want to put some doors in there to help cut down the uh wind
tunnel effect that you might get at your your entrances leading in and out. And then I guess my last question to you is I I understand that the building sits to the property lines 100%. So how are we doing the balconies?
The balconies project beyond the property line and from a airright standpoint that's acceptable for the city that they extend into city right away. So yeah, that is allowable um by the code but with approval from public
works. So some of our storefronts we have on First Street have overhangs and balconies that do encroach into the ride ofway and it just requires public works approval to do that. So this would be no different. Okay. So it just requires public works approval for for the balconies to project because in some
cases they project quite some distance almost to the street line particularly on u first street as well as um second street. And to me, that is a little strange that we would allow, you know, the balconies to
project that far. Um, and I think that's something that really ought to be looked at a little bit closer. Any other comments from the board members? With that, uh, chair will entertain a motion in reference to this
resolution. I'll make a motion that we approve it. I'll second. We have a motion and a second to approve um the uh redevelopment of the um 100, excuse me,
1026th Avenue North project. Um roll call, please. Mr. Thad Mosley. Yes, please. Mr. Gary Pay. Yes. Mr. Ron Whittington? Yes. Mr. Kevin Meyers? Yes. Miss Megan Edwards? Yes.
Thank you. Thank you so much with that down I think to the last item on our agenda items for discussion. Um I don't have anything major but talking about this and when you mentioned outdoor dining Mr. Chairman you made my thought pop in my head. Um we have
officially received our first outdoor dining application from an applicant in the new expanded uh avenues. So uh I reviewed it. We have turned it over to public works. We're going to get their feedback and then we will proceed with that. Okay. I'm sorry. This was where um
it is I guess I can say they turned it in so it's public now. Uh V Pizza. Okay. Yeah. So, uh we're very excited. What they're proposing looks great. Um so with the addition of an a new restaurant right here, uh we have Waka that already
has their outdoor dining. Uh V Pizza now will in theory have some outdoor dining. It's really really exciting. Thank you. Mhm. Mr. Chair, could I add in regards to the sidewalk dining for this project as it relates to it? Um, we
did talk with the applicant about outdoor dining in the public ride of way, like Taylor said, we expanded it to 6th Avenue North. Uh, and so we kind of told them to hold off on that piece until they know exactly where a restaurant or restaurant tenants might go in this space. And then we can look
at that parking on sixth and kind of see where it makes sense. Maybe it's the end caps, maybe it's just one end or the other or right in the middle. So, um, while they don't necessarily have it on their property, we now have the sidewalk dining program in place that they will now be able to take advantage of. So,
ample space for them to do that. Okay. Thank you. Anything else from any of the other board members? No. Just that we may love that extension over the street when it's noon in in July. So, just letting you
know, it may work out. It may work out. Well, nor the good thing is the building building faces north and uh east. So, the amount of sun will be limited. Um, one of the things that I would like to have us do at um as our
next meeting is to have some further discussion about how we move some of our projects forward in a better manner. Um, some of these projects have taken way too long to get to the point where they're at. And I appreciate there are
sometimes circumstances that make them a longer process, but uh, we need to take a hard look at what it's going to take. What do we need to do to improve how we deliver our projects? I'm not sure that I have all of the answers, but I think
um discussion among the board hopefully will help us facilitate whether it means um how we manage the projects, what we need to do from a staffing standpoint, um other project management tools that we can use. I think we need to take a
hard look at all of that and and really um figure out how we move forward. So, I'd like to add that to the agenda for our next meeting. Mr. Chair, if I may, uh, the council briefing on June 9th, I would encourage anyone that can to
attend. I know you were at the retreat. One of the things that came out of the council retreat, and we have now had two meetings, one of which was three hours yesterday. Uh, hope city manager is not listening. Uh we had um a meeting to go over our priorities and really take that
as you know was an all day meeting the council retreat and take what they discussed and really make up clear objectives. One of those objectives is our structure and additional staffing and how things need to work because as the workload has increased substantially
in four years the staffing has not. Um, and that is something um, just as a reminder, those those are council decisions. Um, how things are structured, the organization, staffing needs, those do come from council, and that is something that they're going to be looking at and discussing on June
9th. On June 9th, that's on their agenda. Yep. Their new council priority review. They're going to be discussing what came out of the retreat and how to prioritize. But one of those topics is basically everything you just mentioned. Well, one of the things that
um you know has come to um been presented to me on numerous occasions is that um there there is a real frustration level at the council that we're just not getting projects done and uh it's taking way too long and I I want
to figure out where the stumbling blocks are. What is it going to take to move things forward and I think that conversation needs to happen at this board level. um they they've requested us to uh to do a better job of delivery
and um I want to follow through and follow up on that and maybe it's after the 9th but let us let us all sit down and put our heads together and figure out how we do this um in a different form. Um, and I'd appreciate a lot of
input from uh anybody sitting here at uh at this board um on how we make that happen because you go downtown and it's frustrating and it's you know I can understand why our residents are not happy with the downtown. I look around and it's not the level that we all want
it to be. So what is it that we need to do to move things forward and they don't take years of time to get accomplished? Gary, on that point, if I may, um, there was a long period during the
transition between city council, city government, city professional staff and very little continuity between the two. And we lost a lot of time there, a lot of time there. In the last 18 months or so, we have picked up speed a little bit
on some things, but there was just a gap. a gap. And then you get down to the small stuff. The small stuff, that's another issue. But I'm talking about the big projects. We spent over three years messing around with the plaza. And then
we have somebody come in and, you know, have an objection to it after all these meetings and meetings and meetings and meetings. And council is to some degree responsible for that because we recommend they approve. Um, and they are listening to
all these voices that have opinions that might come in on time or a little late, too. So, it's it's really a joint problem. It's not just us. Really isn't. Uh, we have a good inventory of what we own now. We didn't have that before. I mean, a lot's been done in the last 18 months. Prior to that, it
was sluggish. Well, it's not just at the um at the level of um design. It's also looking at the whole process of delivery of the project, making decisions and getting them done. Not only decisions, but uh how do we get construction underway in a
timely manner and how do we make sure that construction does is done in a timely manner that we have schedules that we adhere to and we get the projects done. Same thing with the design side. It'll be interesting to see how quickly our design team can put
together the uh project that we just approved and how quickly that can go up versus what um unfortunately we tend to see on the uh on the public sector side. But I think it it's conversation we need
to have and if it's things that we can't accomplish but we can make some recommendations to city council and have them understand what needs to change then maybe we can finally make some improvements. I think there could be some potential there Gary because we
don't really set the pace on this stuff as much as we would like to. Mhm. We don't um but perhaps we could recommend ways that could be done better. Exactly. With that uh any other comments from
board staff? No. Um if no other comments then u I'll adjourn this meeting. Thank you.