calling that meeting to have pleas David do here Mar Mor here Nicholas Andrews Colleen white Justin lurman Justin Henderson here deie Cole here and Madam cler I'm just confirming we do have a we do thank you um in order to open the meeting I'd just like to give you kind of an overview of how we do it here um so we base our decisions on competent substantial evidence including testimony provided in this meeting any person who's not an applicant or agent that wishes to speak will need to fill out a speaker card located on the side table by the door um and turn them into the cler that regardless of the type of issue we are asked to decide upon each member of the public is given three minutes to speak on each item and that's this this read out here um we ask that you refrain from speaking out from the audience applauding groaning Etc um as we just try to keep an atmosphere there wh in listening or in attendance is is comfortable um and we ask if you silence your cell phones so with that um maybe consider the approval of the minutes from February 12th 2024 do we have any changes any motion motion approved second and remind me do we need a roll call V for this or just all in favor please indicate by saying I I any oppos pass is unanimously thank you um Mr poy do we have any correspondence no correspondence thank thank sir um do any of my fellow Commissioners um have any expart Communications toose I hear none uh do we have any old business no old business um with that maybe begin with um new business yes I did just want to say one quick thing uh just to remind you guys that you need at least three members to have a quum which you do and anything to pass uh your board requires a simple majority which in this case would be three members thank you sir okay your first item is PC number 0224 it's a conditionally use application request the owner is Parish Rentals LLC the applicant and agent is Brett Parish the location is 725 North 3rd Street which is the site of the former seahorse uh Florest traditionally used application still allow for the renovation of a multi family commercial structure um into multif family under the rm1 standards in the C1 zoning District pursu to section 34 342d 15 of the Land Development code as I mentioned the property was formerly um a Flo shop on the ground floor but has always had multi family units on the upper floors um at this time it has currently three units of multif family as well as the downstairs commercial space which was most recently a florish shop um there was a variance granted for a beauty salon to go downstairs which just did not come to fruition but it did address all the non-conformities with the landscaping and um setbacks and those sorts of things um The Proposal is basically the structure has three units of multi family which is the maximum density maximum allowable usage for residential on that property but they would uh convert the downstairs which was the commercial space into living space and then expand the up upstairs units into more room so you'll still have a total of three units but they'll need to be larger um the uh location of the property is on North Third Street basically mid block on the east side between 6th North and 7 new north um access has always been by a a driveway SL alley that's um runs along the side of the property the structure was built back in um believe the ' 50s so it's a an older structure obviously um the adjacent uses include uh retail commercial space to the north multif family structure to the east beaches United Methodist Church to the west across Third Street and a private gym um to the South that by the applicant uh as the property previously had three dwelling units in a commercial space the proposed three dwelling units are in fact less intense than its current setup um and they will now include uh dis space that were previously used for retail the proposed use is consistent with the C1 zoning standards and the rm1 zoning District uh conditions of the Land Development code and has been found to be consistent with commercial development in the surrounding area and based on the application provided stated in the report the Planning and Development Department is recommending approval of pc22 24 thank you sir would the app please come forward and US wife and I please rate your uh raise your right hand state your name and address BR Parish um currently in transition of living quarters sell 13236 Grand Logan Lane Jackson Florida 32225 do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to get in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God yes I do thank you um much to say as Mr B said we uh we purchased the property my wife and I we've own the business next door for about 10 years have uh tried to continue the growth we purchased it with the intentions of uh turning into a multif family um and and really just trying to you know uh renovate the the area renovate the the building um and turn it into a longterm uh rental investment for my wife and I uh we plan on living there for a while as uh we do intend on building a home so outside of that you know we we did greed and research and and hope that it'll conform to all the U all the existing codes that apply question thank you sir I'll not I will now open the public hearing I don't have any speaker cards is there anyone who would like to um who has not filled out a speakers card that wishes to speak seeing none um I will close the public hearing and we'll bring the back to the board for discussion do we have questions for St I have to one um I guess the only question I have is parking you said there's there's six spaces there with the garage and the alleyway is there anything looking forward is like that's going to create an issue as far as parking going know it's right through there um so when the variance was applied for for the floor or the yeah sorry the beauty salon um a lot of those inconsistencies with the code were addressed during that VAR application because obviously they don't have a proper amount of turning and maneuvering space and things like that but the board of adustment felt that even with the commercial use that there was enough accommodation that it wouldn't create an issue with the reconfiguration that they're proposing um they will have uh six spaces one of which will be a handicap and then the two spaces will be in the garage so that's allowed for residential use so I don't really anticipate any more intensity than what's there currently because again it's just going to be three units and it's been three units fur discussion heing none to have a motion motion to approve second may we have a roll call please David D yes Justin Henderson yes debie Cole yeah Marg right yes so your application has been approved thank you guys I appreciate your time Mr we go on to pc34 yes a uh next application is 0324 this is also a conditionally used request um the owner is the orander Group LLC um the AG is Paul phas that wrong um the location is currently listed as zero St Augustine Boulevard um oh have a map for me um it's currently a vacant lot uh as you can see there it's kind of oddly shaped so give you some location this is third this is St atin Boulevard obviously North is this way the request is for the construction of a 2un multif family structure located in the C1 Comm zoning District pursuit to section 34 342 D15 under the rm1 standards in the C1 zoning District of beach jackon beach Land Development code um property is located in the C1 zoning District which allows multif family use with conditional use approval uh using the rm1 zoning standards for dimensional standards the subject property comprises one full lot of record and an additional half lot the property is located on the northeast corner of the intersection of s Augustine Boulevard and Alam monster Street um the property is currently vacant the applicant is proposing to build a two un multhy family structure with one unit facing St Augustine Boulevard and the other facing Alam moner Street each unit will have a two-car garage with a two-car driveway surrounding uses include medical office to the east across St Augustine uh Boulevard a commercial office to the Northeast and adjacent um professional office to the north and adjacent and a multif family structure to the Southwest AC Alam Ser Street the proposed use will have limited impact on the surrounding area as two un multi family structure is one of the least intense uses allowed in se1 zoning District the proposed use is consistent with the C1 standards of the Land Development code and will be consistent with the surrounding commercial development based on the application and Analysis stated in the report the Planning and Development Department is recommending approval thank you sir with the applicant please come forward uh to beor in and give us any presentation please raise your right hand state your name and address nich Nicholas rard 160 Crossroad Lakes Drive Beach Florida 322 Paul 212 East Street St atin Florida 328 do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you go thank you um I think Christian summed it up fairly well of the intent we had a meeting with him to discuss the setbacks and the implications of going from se1 to the residential with the conditional use and how these setbacks and my coverage would be applied to the site um from that meeting we actually originally had both units designed to pH do mon but because of some of the setback constraints we rotated one and got them both to fit within the setbacks um beyond that not sure happy to answer any questions once you guys have it do we have any questions so is each unit a single family unit or is it multi family unit and within two units no it's a single family it's just two units attached the UN the unit facing down I mean you can the unit facing down thank you that's one unit and then directly above bu okay so essentially two Town Homes other questions for the applicant anything else theant would thank you J I'll now open the public hearing again I don't have any um any speakers cards would anyone like to speak please raise your right hand and state your name and address uh Charles hson 359 s Austine do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth that help you got correct that's my opinion would you like us to know sir U since I live right down the street um the the entire Street's a single family residential street okay the house that's the White House that's right there on the corner of St Augustine Allen master um right now there's it's a single family house and never got approved to be a multif family house and the neighbors there are very nice it's not a matter of that it's a matter of the guy who got permission to buy that house or or to keep it a single family and then the town homes that were built you know just ignored you guys it wasn't you guys it was different people and just went ahead and make it a multif family house um my according to what I got in the mail was this was going to be a multi- uh family unit which I'm 100% opposed to CU when that happens then anything the doors open for anything else to happen to be multif family on St Augustine Boulevard and nobody wants that um so that piece of property was a um a showcase property way back in the day maybe 10 15 years ago to be a perious parking lot for the doctor's office that was there and then a couple years ago somebody went in there and sprayed the lot with a buy 2 minutes material to make it imperious of course it was done without a permit um so everybody here knows that that little intersection floods all the time I'm not saying it's directly because of that but it's that does contribute to it so I don't know what the impervious rule used to be 35% it's um that parking lot right now is is probably 70% 75% impervious is that correct anybody imp doesn't imper doesn't leak so yes that's correct but it was when it was built it was built as a perious parking lot therefore right it was going to absorb without having all the drainage requirements that an impervious parking lot or anything impervious requires so whatever happened to that how come how did that ever get done it the owner just did it you know that's my point um so the the other guy who who built the town homes tried to build another story above it uh who came and protested that and then he threatened me out in the parking lot um uh whoever that Builder was it was the same guy who was in cahoots with the guy who buil who bought the White House at some dentist from Avendale I want to have assurance that none of this is going to happen with this I'm not opposed to development you know and if it's right and it's and it's by code and it's by you you know what what the city um your 3 minutes is is abut okay so I'm going to on record oppose this okay since my time is out and I didn't get to really say everything I really wanted to say thank you sir is there anyone else who would like to address the commission please raise your right hand and state your name and address Sam SC 344 St Augustine Boulevard do you swear orir with the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth you yes thank you so on 344 which is you can see it right up there cat corner to the property um and I'm in agreement with gentleman that just came up my other neighbor in regards to this being that um we put a duplex here on St Augustine Boulevard he gives an opportunity later on for someone else to try to follow his suit and I want to try to avoid that as possible I built this house three years ago knowing that there was just only homes along the STP and I want to keep it that way now if I have a duplex there that might hurt the value of my home I don't know but I don't know what's exactly being built and with the qualities of of it being built as well the last thing I want to see is a duplex from my house house I don't mind seeing another beautiful home cuz that's what I built there um you I SP spent a million dollars just on my lot and home and I'd like to see something similar to you know I don't mind it being a single family home just at home but when we're talking about a duplex that's uh gives it another sight that I wasn't expecting I have a rental net tune that I was going to tear down and build a house but I chose not to do that because of all the duplexes in the area and all the rentals in the area so then that's when I found this property and I found myself feeling comfortable about my decision but now with the duplex being put up uh I really would prefer that it doesn't happen so I really wish you guys would thinkk this thank you thank you sir hello everybody please raise your right hand and state your name and address uh Brett Morgan 403 St Augustine Boulevard do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in the matter in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yourself you go yes ma'am thank you thanks um thanks for everybody being here today I am the person who has a house right there on the corner the White twostory House um that the previous owner had the duplex the guy who bought the property behind there so I've been there for seven eight years and I've seen the issues that happen with everybody with the building process I used to build homes for a living it's my forte so when I was talking to that crazy Builder they parking lot that they did for m on the unit was the biggest issue too and the county um agreed to be able to have the structural engineers be able to have a level so high that the trenching of the water will not Escape but it does not Escape unless the water level's that high right so my biggest concern that corner there's no Central drainage system there's no gutters there's no curving um we get flooded out all the time our next door neighbor now they just redid their property I'm not sure if they talked to you they did asphalt they did Rock they did sand six or 8 in above my property I get flooded out 2 ft in my backyard just from that multif family unit the stops sign that area gets put flooded out on a hard race storm at like 6 in so my biggest concern not only be having a new child so I don't want to hear construction all the time single family unit that's great multif family unit the parking alone just from those four properties is about 12 to 15 cars they take over the commercial parking lot area P 40s right so we're dealing with that on our own um that' be my biggest concern for everybody here you know um and then everybody in that neighborhood being against that and also feeling all those effects too so just wanted to voice that to you guys thank you thank you sir would anyone else like to address the commission see none I'll have discuss um Christian so the parking lot which would be I guess to the north that they're referring to here that was attached to the doctor's office so what became if that doctor's office needed that parking lot for their customers when did that get detached from the doctor's office able to purchase it turned into this situation even to begin with that they no longer need that working I'm not familiar with the history of this particular property I can tell you that in theory didn't they require that booking and then somewhere along the line they decided everybody we don't need that anymore they sold it um so this this particular parcel the one that we're talking about the zero parcel here has been an individual property going back to the 70s at at least so it's been under unique parcel number unique property address whether or not it was attached to the doctor's OB I don't have the history of that but at some point it was sold off it doesn't necessarily mean that the doctor's office is deficient in parking but I don't again I don't know the history of it at this point property was sold and has been bought by somebody else so if the doctor's office has some degree of nonconformity that's really them for selling it off um if I can I just want to touch on a few things um so this area right here this is all commercial one zoning so although these are single family this is literally the line between these two zoning categories you've got an office uh plan unit development project here so that has its own unique zoning and then everything here is C1 and then across over here is C1 as well um so there is a a zoning difference that happens at the street corner um as you know for C1 um there's a lot of commercial uses that are allowed one of the uses that is not allowed in C1 is single failing so the lowest intensity thing you can do in C1 is basically a two unit multi failing which is what they're proposing question for Christian please Christian you how long that that demarcation line there between the C1 and the residential has been there that way uh very long time I couldn't tell you exactly but at least as far back as the current Land Development code I don't remember it ever being any different yeah I'm not aware it has been but I couldn't say before 92 if it was and then the second question I would have is you probably don't know it would be about flooding and there's flooding all all over um Town everybody about everybody has spots where there where there is is flooding or flooding occurs uh do we know anything about the infrastructure over there as far as storm sewer um I don't I know it's one of the older parts that hasn't been uh updated in the recent projects uh it wouldn't surprise me that at Peak rain events there's a lot of flooding in that area um but uh I can't say that the new project is required to account for its own storm water so anything that is currently flowing into that property is technically not the uh obligation of that property owner it should be you know staying on the right away with roof impious material right right so anything that they would generate they're required to deal with through a drainage plan and that becomes a conversation between the building official and public works as far as how handled thank you right but it also sounds like that hasn't happened in that neighborhood so if they that parking lot's there the townhouse across the streets there this goes up where's the water go uh they may have to direct it to on-site storage they may have to direct it to a city storm water drain that's really that level of conversation happens at the stage of the development plan where Public Works in the building and myself I'll sit down and the applicant and work out those utility related details but um I guess the point is if there's a known flooding issue it's not an individual property's responsibility to absorb that water if it's coming off the city street so in summary it meets the zoning code and that's not a single property's responsibility as far as flooding if there is any or isn't correct if it was an issue and the city had to address it they would need to buy the property in essence understand what what the uh comments were about but I I just want to make sure they understand what our requirements are we have to go by the code I'm not talking to anybody in particular right we do have to go by the code you I just wanted to touch on one other thing real quick um so I had mentioned in the report there is a two car garage for each unit separately and then each driveway is also big enough to meet the qualifications for two paring spes so technically each unit can park four cars so even if the garage is used for something other than parking there are still at least two parking spaces per unit which is the minimum requirement in the Land Development code I have a question um so there's no way a single family home could be built there without without resoning it in essence yeah um you might have noticed the large building built behind the in case recently um that was in essence a one single family one story home that was there that burned down and the only thing they could build on that property of the least intensity was a 2un multi family so it's a nature of the code right now unfortunately can I just ask the question given that we're looking at our comprehensive plan and we're looking at our Land Development RS this is something that we see with some frequency that a single family home has been you know not used for six months or whatever but they're kind of they're around and they they've been around it's not something that we hard ever see and it seems to me as a plan that they can be compatible as mix yeah noly something that is under consideration ABS no under the C1 category we're definitely looking at um some changes to the nonconformity requirements to allow existing single family to continue if they're there be be it historic or you know built before the 92 period and then going forward it'll question the council if they want to allow new single family in C1 or just allow the Legacy ones to continue but it's something that's being discussed we haven't quite got to that stage yet with the Land Development code in this case again there's nothing there other than you know perious surface there's no structure so I don't know that it would apply in this case but I to ask a point of reference question to the chair just a is it sort of just a factual question no no just yeah what your conversation is going about like Mike has a concern of the height level what's tell us no sewers either the my biggest concern and you know if it does qualify and there's no way ground getting it okay the problem that happened with that multi family behind us right they the structural engers passed almost 2 feet above you know where they should have been for drainage so if they built and are they just going to be able to go as high as they would like to almost as well to where now the drainage and there's no Central sewage you know are we able to address that problem because it's already an existing issue right so if the people that already live on that street want to address that issue and we can't you know unfortunately stop someone being being building a place especially since they're going to back into my driveway right we might hit each other a little bit I'm might more concerned is like at the Builder putting so much dirt putting so much Foundation there and not having a place for it to go it's not their issue right so maybe touch on that a little bit I think I understand what you're asking so the developer responsibility when it comes to elevation is going to be based on the uh FL building code and the requirements for how high the bill needs to be at a minimum so they will probably end up being higher than the current level of the property right because the foundation has to be so high there has to be so much filter to level the property correct and then so with with the building of the multi family unit behind us they put in a drainage ditch and a sewage ditch right um but as that Builder even said to me he wanted to lower it 6 or seven in and the building unit was not allowing you know everybody was not they already had past it let's just say that right that it was so now it just created this convection of a you know funnel from everybody over in that corner so that's what a big issue is I think for everybody as well right so thank you sir yeah thanks do you mind if I just add one thing to your commercial zoning thing just real real brief super brief since I someone else it has nothing to do with the residential but it goes with the C1 it goes with the C1 uh when they built the gate gas station uh we as the community uh made sure that the when they empty the the uh garbage cans they would come at 3:00 and 4: in the morning and create this unbelievable Racket and wake the whole entire neighborhood well they went hey you can't do that anymore and it stopped for a while and then it comes back so you know us as a neighborhood even though there's a C1 we still have the effects from people in the C1 right there abusing the rights and the Privileges that you know that we as a community ask not for them to do and they agreed and they continue to do it anyway thank sir I just it's across the street you know the zoning changes across the street making for mix ofes I that we're looking at the possibility of family potentially being appropriate one under whatever circumstances in future just I I would add Madam chair that the proponents would just need to watch when you or your contractors in there doing that info because I see them do it all the time not this one in particular but uh I have seen people try and put in complete impervious all the way across their lot line when they weren't watching and also raise it up one of them over on my street was raised up about six feet so I would just say to the people that uh were here to oppose keep an eye on what's going on well there's nothing else we can do so sorry thanks any fur discuss just like the last time right when like if it's passed through the board they're not allow to keep speaking no they're thank you I have a question for you're done okay okay great good Fant well based on the uh discussion I move to approve motion to approve second roll call vote please David do yes Justin Henderson B CLA yes no Marga Mor yes your appliation has been Pro sir guys if we can discourage you from Whispering we still may we have the planning department report please sir sure so um right now we have no items for the April 8th meeting so going to cancel that one just because there something to discuss we do have things lined up for the 22nd and uh hopefully by I would say the beginning of April we should know um what date we're going to set for the hearing for the draft comprehensive plan so that'll be coming up relatively soon we're just working on plan Kinks with the consultant on some last minute tweaks so once we have that set up we'll have a date we'll get it advertised you guys will get it uh well in advance so you can look at it that's all I have