all right youall ready to bring this meeting to order okay wink wink over to you uh Gavin Planning Commission meetings are Quasi judicial in nature all decisions of the Planning Commission will be based on competent substantial evidence yes I'm so sorry um my first time with the new hardware here and I'll slow down as well how about that all right thank you for that the Planning Commission meetings
are Quasi Jud I in nature all decisions of the commission will be based on competent substantial evidence including testimony provided in this meeting any person who is not an applicant or agent that wishes to uh to speak will need to fill out a speaker card located on the side table by the door and turn them into the clerk over here each member of the public will be given three minutes to speak on each item please refrain from speaking from the audience and Applause or cheering will
not be allowed except for after I finish here please silence your cell phones let's get this started so uh let's do a roll call see who we have in attendance today uh Margo Maring Dean Dean that'll be me I'll be taking the roll call thank you better David doll here Margot moing Nicholas Andrew Debbie
Cole here Justin Henderson Dean hadock here Matthew filer here thank you all right approval of minutes do we have a motion to approve we have no minutes no minutes no minutes from the previous meeting we will skip that one then um are there any correspondents to bring to attention of the chair yes so uh on the Das you should have
they're actually two versions of the same uh document one's just prepared in a a little more professional manner um these are uh site plans related to item yes sorry I don't know which one is
like this does this work all right okay I guess that's what we're going to do because we want you to hear that's why we're here uh this is brand brand new Mike's brand new AV here so it's all of our first time with the new equipment so sorry about that Christian sorry about that uh so the two items that you have are related to um PC 0425 so the last item and then I do have another document but I only have one copy so um I'm
going to to pass it around now this is related to the first item which is pc125 thank you are there any disclosures of exp parte Communications to share from the council or excuse me from the uh PC does not look like it we don't have any old business on the agenda so let's move on to new business um assuming this
is me to continue m seeing here this is PC number uh 0125 130 80th Avenue North do we have uh public comment anybody wishes to speak on this particular matter um we actually uh we're going to do through staff report first okay Dave should have any uh cards that were entered yes I have the correspondence and for uh 0125 Judith Roberts okay want
has a card speaker request for I'm going to go ahead and go through the staff report real quick and then um we can call open the public hearing okay so this is uh pc125 it's a conditional use application the property is located at 130 8th Avenue North it's an application for a 2un multif family dwelling located in the C1 commercial zoning District Pursuit into section 34342 D15 using the
rm1 standards of the Jacksonville Beach Land Development code the request is for a conditional approval to address a unique situation of a property located in the C1 commercial zoning District the property was part of a An approved conditional use uh application from 1998 at the time this property um at the time this property which is currently a single family structure was combined with two other lots and two other structures and they were uh permitted
as one one large multif family project since that time this particular lot has been split off uh into different ownership it is now currently a single family home in the C1 zoning District which is not an allowed use currently under this code the applicant is proposing to do a two-unit multif family which is the lowest intensity use allowed in the C1 zoning District the um surrounding uses are a mix of different types of residential sorry I
lost my place um sorry mix of uh residential um single family and multif family in the form of condos and single family homes uh overall a multif family use is consistent with the C1 zoning District standards and is consistent with the surrounding commercially zoned mixed use properties multif family use properties the proposed use for a two-unit multif family structure should not negatively affect
the surrounding uses based on the application and Analysis in the staff report the Planning and Development Department is recommending approval of pc125 also it's worth noting that there is a companion application for a variance going before the board of adjustments so this is not the final stop on the train cool so as a reminder each member of the public will be given three minutes to speak um when we uh open the public Hearing in just second with the gavel does any board member
have any expart Communications on this matter no uh would the applicant please come forward to be sworn in and give any presentation that they have to share all right please each of you raise your right hand and state your name and address uh uh raise your right hand and state your name and address
pleas bevard Timothy whan 1217 B Haven Lane Pon aidra do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God I do I do thank you all right do any of the Commissioners uh have any questions for the op all right I'm not seeing anyone so we'll go ahead and
open the public hearing oh presentation sorry then we'll open the public heing anything to share with us we would like to address uh the actual property on site and we provided some copies of the plans that are also on the screen um the idea here is just to have two simple units of singular families as a multi-use on the same grounds same scope of work that it was used before and also it's consistent with
the same space that the lot has nothing to be extended nothing to be changed from initial perspective times 1997 it is noted as before that the lots have been separated because they all were compounded on one um singular owner for all of them and as the years have passed the change of um owners have come to our attention as of right now again
emphasis on the fact that we do not want to change the structure further more than what it is in space any questions from the board and that you guys may have for us to address no questions uh from the commission excuse me okay I I see no questions uh Mr chair I do have a speaker request form for idith Roberts when uh when the proponents
are finished we'll call her up we have thank you very much thank you all right we'll now open the public hearing can we G in thee yeah I have one speaker Mr chair idith Roberts is she here there she is yes okay gonna have to swear in please raise your right hand right on that microphone state your name and address my name is
El Roberts 1328 Avenue North do do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God I do thank you thank you okay so thank you for allowing allowing me to speak I hope I'll I'll microphone I think I am you really got to get right down on it okay you can move it yeah there you go so
I was Rel to hear that basically the floor plan is the same as the one um that we currently have because those houses are very close to one another uh at the staircase area we have only 38 inches of uh distance between the two houses and increases that increasing that will be very uh bsome um just um to note that
the area between the houses is a convenience ement um so it actually serves the Tre houses so it has to to stay as as big or as small as it is and on top of that there is a sewage line um just beh behind uh that property that served the three houses now the only uh problem that we may have my only concern with
that is is uh the parking in front of the house which is very minimal and uh when we had tenant living in this house we had four tenants uh they always struggled with uh the parking and they would park sometimes on the grass in front of our house or block the street and uh since that street is the street that leads to the ocean and where uh the cat and um jet Skys
have passage so that may cause a problem so I just wanted the committee to know about that whenever it takes its decision thank you thank you I a question ma'am Mr chairman absolutely okay these new microphones are great uh what
is your particular problem with the sewage line the fact that well first is uh to keep the ismen so we will have passage there because it serves us as well as the the neighbor behind us so um I just want to be able in case there is a problem to have clear um passage there for people and some tools or whatever machine need are needed on on top
of that um I lack the knowledge but um I would think that if the house is bigger and there are more people maybe the sewer line is not adequate for as many people I don't know again it may be just because right now it's just us and the woman living behind us if there will be two more houses because if the
house uh oneir um yeah 130 hasn't been occupied for the last 10 years so this sewage line is hasn't been really tested so I I just want to avoid problem okay has there been a problem no problem in the past um not while we are there because it's Mo most of the time just us the woman that lives behind us doesn't live there permanently so she's there from time to time mostly in
Holiday days so it's basically just us out of the three houses on one sewage line so I don't know it hasn't been really tested have you talked to the developer about that nope okay thank you very much uh through the chair that uh item that I passed around earlier is from that speaker so that is the document she was referring to yeah to confirm where adding
200 square feet with this proposal right just enclosing a existing balcony square footage address on the plans and to answer your question yes the square footage answered through the plans is not to exceed what existing structure is there um and to address the we're able to address the issues with sewer lines and the intent if requested can you go ahead and and make sure that he has no more
issues with you're to please yeah no that answered my question I appreciate it so you're you're not adding you're not adding any new units been two units just your concern is it hasn't been occupied in 10 years right correct so if I may address the board towards the plan set schedule
82 on it the plan set will stipulate that the measurements of the entire property are within the walls existing also it is required by the building code for any improvements on any property to be done past of 2015 to be used in accordance to the current code We are following the code of fbac
a a vision for the Florida code building and the same requires us to do electrical upgrade Plumbing upgrade and such matter without um allowing us to extend within the property that should take away the issue with um any type of Plumbing setup as well as because we're not extending outside of the walls should not be any pertinent issue to um properties alike or aside thank you that addressed my question uh through the
chair can I just ask the applicant one thing so on the plans you have submitted uh that doesn't work anymore um in essence the existing shows that the front porch is a single story and the um proposed has that as enclosed on the second story so that I believe was his question is are you enclosing that porch on the Second Story it is correct that is the adding portion of the square footage but is would not be surpassing what is existing okay so
yeah they wouldn't be expanding beyond the footprint through the chair we're talking about the former footprint and your footprint will be identical that's corre okay but you're going to close 200 feet in on a porch is that is that so the footprint of the base of that property is what is extended those 200 square fet additional that would be used on the second floor not
additional to what is existing I believe question it it overhangs and gives you the extra 200 feet but the footprint of the of the building maintains the same is that correct no it's the opposite actually the Bas line of the building already has that extension the upper portion of the building ends prior to that extension the intent through the plans is to finish that wall at the extension of it
thank you now sewage what do you know about the sewer line and why there's a problem and potential problem and what the what the uh remedies are if they if they're needed or if it's sufficient as it stands cor so in our experience with um Plumbing upgrades you know which is Contracting and ABT construction which are the permitting companies on this we have a certified licensed plumber in order to upgrade the internal portion of
the property as that goes to be tapped into the switch of the City Line it will not increase on um the actual structure of it because it's made for that both units are ending in two different tabs options as if it was two different houses one beside the other you should not have any confliction now past that would be the scope to be reviewed by
the CD itself in regards to SSH because we do not have access to that okay I understand your response it was clear and thank you um are there going to be additional residents staying there is the capacity changing the impact on parking um how would you address that correct if we may address the survey on that property it ends exactly at the property line as it was outlined before the request
of that second I believe it's the second board that we're supposed to go for uh the zoning it's just in front of the property which in zoning is reflected as the back of the property that's confusion over there it has enough space for four complete spaces to be done currently they are not in use because there is I believe a palm tree and some old logs that used to be used used
for parking for that same reason a car cannot be parked there but the intent of the owners as reflected on the plans is to clear out that area to provide proper four parking spots so if four adults were to be in these two dwellings they have a parking space that doesn't conflict with the Main Street nor any other property alike the uh parking issues um that were presented just a moment ago um are they
caused by the uh the tree and the issues you mentioned or is it because there is a constant flood of people there you know lots of traffic in and out so we we're only able to speak to what is current um because the property just became part of the owners at hand um but it is our understanding that that can be a big factor because truly there's no way a vehicle could park over the those
logs now if they were to be removed as the plan States there's more than enough space within the lot to have four vehicles there's four parking places correct they can be currently there's only three but when you're done with your development there'll be four spaces that is correct sir Mr um poy um if I may uh please thank you so currently the structure basically occupies the entirety of the lot the place he's talking about is in the
RightWay so from a code standpoint we wouldn't count those as required parking because they have to be on the property this is one of the reasons he's going to the board of adjustment in essence to ask for use of the RightWay parking in lie of being able to provide it because again the structure was built in the 30s and it's takes up the entirety of the lot but that's for the board of adjustment to figure out if they want to allow that or not I just have a question a clarification um so it's a single building now and you're turning it into
multifam structure too how are you doing that are you just putting a wall in between as you're keeping the footprint so I'm a little I'm like confused it's okay it's okay if I may uh So based on the structure you can see on the copy of the plants um provided the structure on the first floor as Illustrated would be the equivalent of the structure of the second floor so the division becomes the ceiling of the first floor to be the flooring of the second
floor nothing further than second floor and I am looking at the plans but I'm not good at this so there's a couple of bedrooms from each floor is that right two two is it three bedrooms it's a three two on both sides three bedrooms gotcha okay the accommodation is made for a parenthood family with two different kids basically you repeat that please the accommodation of the plants is made for example two parents and a boy and
a girl or kids that require different rooms that's the intent so each unit has one one parking place how many parking places for each two two per unit is that correct Mr Poley that would be the required amount whether or not the r of way can handle that I really can't tell from the okay that's good conditional use and sorry I'm still not clear the original uh buildings that are
there now are they a two or three bedroom um we couldn't say because the structure itself from the inside was already with this type of structure when he was in possession of Mr wall oh so there's no change in that correct okay cool confirm there's never an existing interior stairway right it was always the second floor is always accessed by the exterior stairs no um that staircase was falling apart when he was taking
it's still available for the interior or the exterior that is stairs both of them actually but are you getting rid of the Interior set of stairs because two separate units in this case yes okay understood thanks now if the board requires us to have both sets of staircases kept the owners are more than ready to accommodate accordingly Christian that would not be a
requirement would it it would be a a call for the building official I'm not sure typically multif family falls into a couple of categories some require interior access some require exterior but um I can tell you from experience the fire marshal is probably going to want a second egress from the second floor so an exterior staircase would at a minimum be a fire escape okay okay thank you is there anyone else from the audience that wishes to speak that did not fill out a speaker's card
all right not seeing anyone so we'll go ahead and close the public hearing if there are no other questions from commission uh and bring the item back to board for discussion all right any discussion or motion Mr chair me uh I think we've got two uh two items that have been
disced disc this evening that include uh the potential for sewage and the potential for parking the new uh Land Development code and the old one both of them say the same thing the standards in 3453 553 section F that uh the use the the approval to move forward from the planning department uh commission uh would
be one of the reasons we're here is to to find that there's adequate public facilities and services uh pursuant to article uh four adequate for public facility standards now Mr popley said we have we have sufficient parking is that correct Mr popley I would say practically um from a code standpoint they would have to go through the board of adjustment because they can't fit it on okay so we will we will if we were
to vote for this we would vote for it with one of the one of the uh public facilities parking being dependent on the what they get from the board of adjustment that's correct okay um I don't know how to address the sewage issue but I know somebody uh named Edith Roberts came tonight and told us that there could be problems there because there's going to be the potential for more waste than the current system can handle and this is a
I've been doing this for a long time I don't ever recall here in one of these what would we do to ensure that the sewage facilities that the new development is going to hook into are sufficient um typically for a project like this it'll go through a development permit review building permit um Public Works Beaches Energy myself the Fire Marshall and the building official all review those so if there's an issue with the existing sewer system either on their property or the cities that's
going to be handled through public works during that process if there isn't they have a process that the developer would have to go through to help increase that capacity I don't know the conditions of those lines there they probably don't either they'll have to you know put a TV Camera down there and see what they look like um because it's an older part of the city but that's that's part of the process for the review of the actual construction thank you Mr Poley thank you any motion a motion to
approve we have a motion to approve do we have a second second Mr Mr chair yes sir I wonder if we could amend that motion before we go ahead and everybody vote on it is we include um the two conditional uses from the code that I just read uh and make sure that both the parking through the Board
of adjustment and the sewage through the regular permitting that takes place within the planning uh of the city for sewage is addressed so I would like to modify that amendment to include code code code acceptable parking and code acceptable Public Services like sewage over motion amended would you
be willing to restate the motion um motion approved upon conditional uh on conditional of parking and sewage yeah for sewage and parking do we have a second second all right can we take a roll yes Debbie Cole yes
Matthew fer yes Dean hack yes all right the motion carries the application is approved do I gabble on that one I don't want to do it too much it's kind all right um okay so item two is there a staff report yes give me one second our system's a little slow
thanks again for everyone's patience we'll pick up the pace here I'm certain of getting close all right through the chair uh this is planning or sorry PC application 0225 it's a conditional use application for outdoor seating the property
is located at 1368 Beach Boulevard Unit number 1396 the request is uh basically to transfer the ownership of an existing outdoor seating approval um for an existing restaurant in the C2 zoning District this property most recently has been the crab cake factory and a number of other uses under the current code outdoor seating is an approval it's nontransferable without your approval so the is
a new owner with a or a new tenant with a new restaurant concept and they are requesting to um have the outdoor seating approved once again they're not making any structural changes to the outdoor seating that's already there it's already fenced it meets all the requirements for alcohol sales um the uh property is located within a very large commercial center that has many uses so any use related to um restaurant retail uh professional office all those are accounted for in the
parking design so um the adjacent uses are uh predominantly commercial um both interior and outside uh the only thing that's um somewhat unique is across uh um Penman is the uh Kirkland cemetery and then to the South is the police department building but again this has been used repeatedly for outdoor seating so we're recommending approval all right as a
reminder each member of the public we'll be given three minutes to speak when we open the public hearing uh to the commission does any board member have any expart communication to divulge all right uh would the applicant please come forward to be sworn in and give any presentation please raise your right hand and state your name and address my name is Sal Shany 1309
John Bluff Road North Jacksonville Florida do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God yes I do thank you now I hear what the senior plan and say this have been several restaurant there I know a couple of Might represented for the same use uh we just coming back in with a change of owner trying to make sure that we get the same use back again and if you all ever have a go visit this place this is
totally different concept on the inside and what it was before it much more family friendly and it's very nice way they lined it up and everything Ste the fire Mar and the building people all know what's going on in there now have all the approve the architecture drawings and the plants and and and the season Lo for their application thank you do any of the Commissioners have any questions for Mr yansy yes sir
I just have uh one question if you have any awareness of like the amount of seaing there uh compared to uh its previous use know it's the same amount of seed seed we can get this cool had a feeling on that any other questions I do do you plan to have any outdoor music no we're not if they do if they haven't said they will but we understand the orders that we do to go back through the city to
get get another Vance for that to have out door see that meet to M outo NOS okay thank you very much Mr YY I don't any other questions from the commission uh we'll now go ahead and open up the public hearing do we have any speakers cards on this item yes Mr chair I don't know that it's really the card we need but it says Lawrence yansy on it so that that's already complete
so there are no further speakers all right any uh one else from the audience who has not filled out a speaker card wish to speak on this item all right we'll go ahead and close the public hearing and bring the item back to the board for discussion any discussion or motions from the commission who wants to motion to approve all right we have a motion and
a second can we go ahead and read the votes please Debbie Cole yes David do yes Matthew fer yes Dean hadock yes it looks like the application is approved and congrats on the new rest thank you sir thank you all right moving on to agenda item C
do we have a staff report yes you do uh through the chair this is PC 0325 it's a conditional use application for a drinking establishment for a property located at 323 North 10th Avenue uh the request is for um a proposed drinking establishment for a property located in the C1 commercial limited zoning District Pursuit into section 34 342 D3 of the Land Development code the property is uh a single liutenant unit inside of the
commercial center uh the location um was the previous use of the spruce plant store which did have beer and wine service and prior to that it was the really good beer stop Tap Room which also obviously had um uh on-site consumption uh the site has been um reviewed several times for compliance with Section 34393 which is the requirement for um distance for alcohol consumption from other uses um so so it's uh
we're confident it meets that still the the proposed use is basically connected to a retail bicycle shop that will serve beer and coffee uh the proposed use is a relatively new trend in the cycling Community but if you've been to North Carolina or South Carolina they're pretty popular um the store uh will predominantly sell bikes um but will also serve beer and wine to the patrons while they're in the store um the can is strictly for the um Al consumption the retail sales is an allowed
use uh the adjacent uses are the other tenants in the commercial center um a mix of residential and Commercial uses behind the structure um to the north the commercial restaurant use across the street which is melow mushroom uh the applicant's request should not negatively impact the existing shopping center um character or parking as the proposed shopping center the parking is consistent with the um uses allowed in the C1 zoning District
um there have been no previous issues with the last two tenants that I'm aware of that had a similar use uh no code enforcement based on the information in the application uh and the analysis staff is recommending approval of PC 0325 thank you very much Mr bubly uh as a reminder each member of the public will be given three minutes to speak when we open the public hearing uh does any board member have any exart a communication on this matter
matter all right no uh would the applicant please come forward to be sworn in and give any presentation please raise your right hand and state your name and address Alex Brown 655 Silver Lake Circle Atlantic Beach do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you got yes thank you goad um yeah so first of all thank you guys uh I know it's
late I appreciate your consideration for this um like Mr poy mentioned uh we are intending to kind continue the use of the space but in a different way we've just opened um just a few months ago a Endurance Sports concept store uh which is similar to like you've seen in other places and we're really trying to drive a community focused environment that welcomes athletes and Riders and
just community members to experience what Endurance Sports and cycling is all about um and so yes we do have a coffee shop inside which has been really cool and does help encourage Community within our existing Community it helps kind of serve as a gateway to bring new people into experience what we have already know and love and yeah I'm happy to answer any questions about how serving alcohol will also help this as well
um truthfully I don't anticipate selling a whole lot of beer and wine but um on the occasion that somebody's hanging out getting their bike worked on that's the intention is to be able to offer a beer or a glass of wine or something and then also be able to serve beer and wine during certain events like bike races which truthfully um knowing that almost all of them happen in Europe these will be in the morning so um we don't anticipate a large conflict with any other events that are happening around
Us in the immunity Community um but we're excited to continue to grow and kind of introduce a seemingly New Concept to the community uh thank you Mr Brown uh any questions from the commission Mr chair I have a question are you going to allow alcohol sales at any time during opening hours of the store is it going to be limited anyway currently we don't have plans to necessarily limit it just due to the fact that like I said um on
the occasion that there's a race um in Europe these often happen at 9 or 10 a.m. um but that said um most of our existing customer base is often riding during those times as well so we do anticipate kind of a more traditional schedule for when we would be selling alcohol um we'd be open to considering something like that but I would anticipate similar to brunches and things like that that we're not
anticipating a large volume of sales early in the morning or midday even what's your current uh operating hours our current operating hours are 8 to 6:00 pm during the week on Tuesday to Friday and then on the Saturday is the only day we're open on the weekend we um open at 10:30 to 6: pm. so we're trying to capture those early morning coffee sales more than likely cool thank you three chair Please Mr Brown this sounds
great I love it it's a great idea what are you going to do when the pelaton rolls in and there's 110 bikes you got a place to put them um So currently the landlord has allowed us to park a bike rack that is removable and we just take it in at the end of the day and put it out in the morning that allows us to uh Park almost 20 bikes in that single space um so that is one of the things that I think is good about what we're doing is that large majority of our customers
you know can maybe comparatively large majority do arrive on bike um which is nice from a parking perspective um the other end of that is in my experience and I've been in this cycling Community for a long time um we're currently seeing on a Saturday morning which would kind of be our Peak um traffic at most about 20 riders coming back all at once um throughout the day we tend to see people come back in not everybody wants to have a
drink when they're sweaty yeah that makes good sense my question is are there going to be any any uh issues with the public getting through in front of your in front of your space sure when you when you have a bunch of bikes but you said you have a place to keep 20 of them correct um and then obviously we have space inside as well um and as we have previously already done with the space by we the plaza submitted for an event per MIT um around the holidays when
we were anticipating more traffic and I think if we were to encounter a circumstance where we were anticipate more traffic we would certainly apply for a permit to it seems to me that if you if you were if you had a large group of cyclists arrive after riding 20 30 40 miles uh they they would want something to drink and so they would probably send people in and stay with their bikes I mean how would they how would you secure the bikes we yeah
so we do have um uh more or less a long um cable that we can lock more than one bike up if necessary uh there have been a few instances where people do come and linger for a little while and we're always willing to help people secure their bikes um they that's all i' be worried about is public transit in that space if they can get through thank you through the chair just to kind of give you guys a little bit of information you don't normally
see um commercial uh entities are allowed to have basically a tent permit six times a year where they can have basically a weekend outdoor sale Festival kind of thing um and with that there's a bunch of stipulations that go through with the fire marshall for Ada access and and that kind of stuff so it does get reviewed pretty thoroughly um and that's what I was talking about is free free passage of the public it just not get get people caught in a clog up where they can't get through yeah no Ste make sure it's all right thank
you thank you Mr Brown uh Mr Brown just um I'm a fan of this concept uh just like Dave um so uh my point is a little bit of the opposite I just want to you know while I have a little bit of a bully pulpit here just to encourage you to have these events and bring people to that area of town because that particular parking lot on your and that that particular uh parking is a little bit of a ghost town during some parts of
the day so I'm really glad to have some life in there and so we just really look forward to you um you know just bringing more people to that area and uh bringing Community together it's great thank you for that um so uh just to keep us moving here um if there's nothing else to share uh from your behalf Mr Brown or any other questions from the commission I'll go ahead and open up to public hearing if there's any comment thank you Mr all right
uh we'll now open the public hearing any speaker cards on this item no Mr chair there not all right anyone in the audience who has not filled out speaker card wish to speak on this item we are not seeing anyone so we'll go ahead and close the hearing that was efficient and bring it back to the board for discussion is there a motion or discussion seeing no motion Mr chair I would
uh motion to approve do you have a second second all right can we please read the roll call Debbie Cole yes David dah yes Matthew filer yes Dean hack yes uh the application is approved congratulations and we will now move on to item D staff report please through the chair this is application 04 424 25 excuse
me uh this is a conditional use application to allow for the construction of multif family dwellings town homes in the commercial limited zoning District Pursuit into section 34 342 D15 using the rm1 standards um a quick correction uh was pointed out that this was noted as four units on the application it is actually three so what you're looking at is the both the handdrawn and the new site plan that
was presented so it'll be three town homes um the uh under the C1 list of uses multif family is an allowed use with the approval of the Planning Commission as a conditionally use request the subject property is 75 ft and width and 125 ft deep with an overall area of 9,300 Square ft the actual area uh is still the sorry the actual area will be determined by a licensed surveyor uh so it might be slightly different the property is
currently occupied by a quadplex of apartments or condos and was constructed in 1943 uh the the property is located in the AE flood zone district and will require uh flood Hazard ordinance compliance which will involve elevating the structure um since the structure is very old and needs substantial work any renovation would likely trigger the need to elevate the structure to meet this requirement which isn't really practical given the age of the structure the applicant is proposing to build
three town homes following the dimensional standard criteria in rm1 um for Town Homes uh the property is located east of Third Street and therefore based on the densities established in the comprehensive plan would be entitled to 40 units per acre based on the minimum lot size the property uh could be built for up to six multif family units uh if it were true multif family condo or apartments uh this would be the maximum so the reality of the building footprint requ requirement parking and things like
that might dictate a lower number but again they're only asking for three uh fee simple Town Homes uh it's worth noting that with Town Homes the property will go through a plat process to subdivide each lot um and as new construction it'll go through a fairly rigorous uh civil engineering review as well as the full building plan review so any issues with uh utilities or um design will be handled at that stage um so and actually um not
that it's 100% relevant but um technically speaking the way this is laid out would meet the requirements as proposed in the new land development code so uh this shouldn't run into any issues as the code transfers from the old one to the new one in the next coming coming months excuse me um So based on the application and Analysis um the Planning and Development Department is recommending approval of p424 uh and one moment will open to the audience for comment um as a reminder
each member of the public will be given 3 minutes to speak when we open the public hearing uh does any member of the board have any exp parte communication to share at the moment I'm seeing no uh do let's see would the applicant please come forward to be sworn in give any presentation please raise your right hand and state your name and address fuse on ell 712
shipw watch Drive East Jacksonville 32225 and John nagie um 3572 Richmond Street Jacksonville Florida 32205 do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God I do I do thank you please proceed got three minutes actually we don't sorry we don't we don't put a time
limit on the applicants oh we don't okay you have however much time you need we brief we'll be briefing in three minutes basically we're just asking for the condition of use to do three town homes Fe simple in lie of some of the other opportunities that we could uh go after and there and um we understand the uh facts of going through the building review and so forth the public works I've done a bunch of work in Jack Beach I know all the guys at the public works department I know what I'm have to do to the alleyway we're taking care of
the parking by using the alleyway and driving into the rear of these units that would put the garage because in the front window the development turned up was improved uh they put we allow them to put six parking spaces on the uh side of 11th Avenue South so if we that's why we're going to put the driveways in the rear in lie of doing away with the six parking spaces and allow the city
to continue to have those public parking spaces in the front which would be the front facing 11 family South um obviously we're going to keep up with the architecture in the area and not do anything crazy which I've done before in Jack Beach but that was another lifetime ago thank you if there's questions I'd be glad to answer them but I'll let FAO speak for us right now yeah we might have some
questions for you anyone on the PC have questions um just one question for me um you're aware there's a restaurant next store and all that stuff and uh you mentioned um keeping up with like the vibe of that particular area could you just elaborate a little bit more on kind of what you envision from that I don't need any specifics you can do yeah I
built the restaurant back in ' 05 I also did the Marb on theum and back in 056 and uh yeah we're aware of that we're going to keep the the vibe if you will for JA speach I appreciate that and told to add actually I own 11 South beastro and I actually own the property that we're talking about now so um my intention is to absolutely make sure we keep the vibe the right way uh a lot of fans of that right restaurant so I mean that was my um that was my
primary concern in asking that question and actually I appreciate that for the record because 11 C been around for 20 years and I know we get supported by the community like there's know tomorrow we appreciate that we always have absolutely thanks for being here uh no other questions from the commission we can go ahead and open it up for public hearing all right thank you gentlemen cards Mr chair first one is uh Lisa Brown three minutes Lisa come on down
please raise your right hand and state your name and address Lisa Brown 11:15 2 Street South and do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing about the truth so help you God yes I do thank you um I sent an email to Mr poy and he was a wealth of information I just want to make sure that's acknowledged um and you all just answered what really was my biggest concern and that I just want
to have it on record that those five parking spots on 11 South right at the right in front of this um this lot are public spots that are used by the restaurant in the evening they're used by duban Clark the business across the street during the day used by residents used by people going to the beach all the time so my concern was really to keep those part parking spots there and it sounds like
that's what their plan is and instead put the driveways in corresponding parking areas on the south side of the um the lot off the alley so that is really the news I was looking for so we're anxious to see what it is going to look like what architecture is going to look like we live right across the street we will be very glad to get rid of the building that is currently there
um but that's our common at this point so um that's if we can keep keep the five parking spots that were there that would be great thank you thank you may I respond let's get your second speaker first and I can read his name he can come on up and speak uh Bobby welon are you here Bob there he
is can you hear me Bobby I'm gonna I'm going to speak into the microphone Roger that and I would like to request I've been to Council meetings zoning meetings these kind of meetings and the new system is better but the reason you are talking is for people in this room to hear you not for you to communicate with yourselves necessarily so you need to speak into the microphone just like like you was singing a song you can't talk
over here and lean over here and do that that doesn't work I'm just yeah just like that so it's help to us that did we did we swear you in or do we Okay um please raise your right hand and state your name and address your name and address Bobby Welton uh 10:32 11 well 10:32 1st Street townhouse 2 P do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this
matter is the TR truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God yes thank you yes okay um we're we've been the residents by the former speakers uh and myself that live within 100 feet of this site I have been concerned for 15 years about the decrepit deplorable condition that the owner I think Mr nag has allowed this property it should
be condemned it should have been condemned five years ago it is rotting falling apart and is UN really it's not acceptable for Human Habitat but the city did not go inspected for the mold and Decay it is allowed to become therefore that sets a precedent about the attitude of what the property should be secondly the five parking spaces on 11th Avenue South are not going to be removed that's part of the infrastructure plan that has nothing they're not allowing any benefit to
the city cuz they're not going anywhere they've been there and that's part of the master plan and they're not leaving it is imperative that they do enter from the alleyway because there is no possible entrance on 11th Avenue South that's good but they want three separate units they don't want it to be a condominium so the three separate units there there should be some Unity amongst
the um uh painting size decoration or appearance of these places the homes that are for sale across the street from this location cost anywhere from 1.8 million to $2 million so we can't have the uh Community to be degraded in spite of the fact that this is the worst looking house apartment facility in Jacksonville Beach
so we must be attuned to what the standards should be and give some uh elevated interest in what's going to happen there and at the present time the restaurant only has about uh maybe 18 to 20 parking spaces on its property and 50 cars come there every day so the whole Community is affected
by the traffic going to the restaurant and there is no accommodation with the property that he's talking about that he owns to facilitate proper parking so the parking is going all over to what the residential streets are required for for the residents and uh use by uh train activity in the area rather than be consumed every day uh for lunch and dinner through the traffic caused by by the restaurant so all of
this should be considered in this application thank you very much um would uh the applicant like to address any of these concerns and um let me just remind you to please address your comments to the board um and uh just thank you speak into the mic there you go yeah in no particular order I would uh bring up a couple things so when 11th Avenue South was being that street was being reconstructed I think due to the storm Sur or sewage and
all the other things we're trying to upgrade in that area um we came to the point where that was all being rebuilt and we got to the section of the property that we own which is the property we're talking about right now and we put those I think it was seven but maybe six six parking spots six parking spots into that spot that was actually not necessarily the master plan because I sat there in a meeting myself personally with the different uh Jacksonville Beach people that were involved from the
city and we're deciding whether we're going to put curbs up there to protect the property versus allowing slots to have um six parking spots or seven parking spots um at the time I very easily had a quick decision to make it was like add more parking why would we not add more parking so I actually allowed our property to have those parking slots put in and then that's what became the reality of that it wasn't actually a part of the pregame because I was asked the question what what do you want to do with your property you want curs and you want parking spots let's grab parking spots so
I just want to say because I I I do feel very strongly that 11 South and the property next to it that were're you know we want to you know put tow houses on you know we want to be part of the community we've been part of the community for 20 22 years 22 years sorry um and I think that what we plan to do is put three units that'll be very akin to the units that were built across the street for months the very to the units are built across uh
Second Street going toward First Street that are then on their way to marbay all those units are wonderful and we want to be part of that and add some wonderful units we have held that property uh for a long period of time approximately uh 13 years 12 years don't quote me on but about about something like that my wife and I bought that at the time with the intent to maybe expand 11 South at one point um after 21 years of 11 South being the business that
it has been we've decided sometimes you don't mess with something and you don't want to sit there and change the footprint of a restaurant and maybe not have it feel the way it used to feel so now we decided to use that property to do something better and actually add some better living space have it improved and have it look good and do all the right things in the community so anyway that's how I feel about it that's you know that's our plan for it and I that I guess that's my comments and as a contractor a developer I would love nothing more than be able
to sell those units for $2 million plus believe me it's not going to be anything less than what you see across the street and it'll probably be more thank you hear me so don't make me bang the gavel y'all um so uh next thing um looks like we don't have any additional speakers are there any other questions from the Mission okay um so we'll go ahead
and close the public hearing at this time and bring the matter um back to the board for just wait a minute I signed up for General comment and on this issue is that correct will you look at the paper you can sign the forms I don't have the form you took the form there were two reasons to speak right we're going to close this item first and then we can go to the second one after okay okay so we'll go ahead and close
public comment um and bring the conversation back to the PC so um anyone have any questions commentary discussion items I do Mr chair yes please I'm looking at the Land Development uh code standards applicable to conditional uses item uh there's a couple items in there that talk about the character of the of the development fits the neighborhood
uh design propos development minimizes adverse effects including visual impact and the proposed use of adjacent properties and and provides adequate screening and buffering uh parking I think that's all been dressed tonight um I get the feeling that um Mr Welton is not happy with it but I I didn't really understand when he was speaking
what the problem was I so I I didn't I didn't see a clear problem it seemed like he felt there was a problem but I didn't see any I didn't understand it so that's my comment on where we are here I think it meets the conditionally used standards and I would be in favor of it you have comment um did you have a comment that's cool so um what I heard uh
from Mr Walton uh was related to parking primarily um looks like that is remaining unchanged for this um the other item I heard was related to uh quality of the environment of the neighborhood and the surrounding um buildings I take the applicant of their word and their investment that they want to um create something of value uh in that space
so uh that was pretty clear to me um perhaps uh Mr Poley uh you could remind us uh on what we're specifically voting on here because the PC um would be approving the use correctly uh correct excuse me but not um the further details that would be handled um through other parts of the process correct that's correct you're approving a conditional use for multif family in the C1 commercial zoning District in this case
three units so I I wanted to make that clear just just to be very clear on what we would be voting to approve in this conditional use versus the remaining Delta there which is outside of the authority of this particular uh commission um so is there a motion motion to approve we have a motion to approve do we have a second second could we take the roll call please David do yes
Debbie Cole yes Matthew fer yes Dean hadock yes the application is approved congratulations and now to the planning department report moving on to next business I know we had a general comment um do we need to work that in here as well yeah I'll be quick and you can handle that at the end um so uh I don't know if you guys watched the meeting but um Council uh agreed to postpone the
review of the land of belon cod proposed until after February 20th when they're going to hold another public Workshop so that'll be um in council chambers will obviously notice it and advertise it but um they'll be able to take comments in from the public prior to them actually going through the first and second reading so they took your recommendation and and went with it great thank you um just a reminder everyone new Land Development code coming up there is an opportunity
for public participation in that process highly encourage everyone to go or watch the videos participate in that Workshop it's on the 20th of February time Mr popley is it six o'clock on on the 20th it's 6m 6m thank you I misplaced my agenda so we have a new Land Development code that's moving uh through this is the next workshop on that before it goes to the first reading uh at the city council 20th yes sir 20th Fe right into
the microphone it's the 20th of February 6 o'clock right here see you there I think I just spoiled your second announcement as well um well again this is tentative uh Council has tentatively scheduled the first reading for March 3rd and the second reading on March 17th so if everything stays on schedule there's no major
changes um by the end of March we should be uh in a position to have an adopted Land Development code and then we'll spend um April training boards and staff so that's kind of the plan right now um one additional item on the Das I gave you guys what is a currently very rough draft of our proposed uh bylaws we are still working through it you know if there are changes on the code side when this goes through there may be changes here but I just wanted to give you guys an opportunity to look at it um the
next meeting we're going to have will be your organizational meeting for the year so for elections and things like that um my goal is to have you guys have some input uh or feedback on this at that point um we'll probably postpone the actual adoption of bylaws until after the code is approved but this would give you guys a working document of procedures and uh it takes a lot of the detailed specificity out of the Land Development code so you are free to set your meeting dates and meeting times as long as
you meet the requirements of meeting twice a month um and spells out a lot of the details we've sort of talked about but have never really been formally adopted so the intent is to be a road map but obviously if we missed something or you have comments please take a hard look at them being the old guy here uh I didn't hear the beginning of that how are we going to transmit that data to us uh so we can chop it you're going to give us a draft to look at correct right
it should be on the the Das there I'm going to email it as well and it'll be in the attached um uh agenda for that next meeting um but we took a lot of what was in the code and moved it over here we played a little bit with the words tried to clear up some of the known issues that we've run into with how the process worked um but again the idea is to give you guys the flexibility to have your own process and amend it as you see fit as long as you stay Within confines of what the Land Development code says so hopefully this is a good step forward I see
the document um thanks for helping me find it no problem do we have a date for our next meeting yet uh yes yeah yeah the February 24th sorry the week after the um 20th yeah thank you I think we have a handful of people out that week I know I'm out that week so um
but I'll coordinate with you email um great do we lose our public comment yeah I would still open the courtesy of the floor just because we did have a card even if he's not here and there's nobody here okay um we will now open the floor to public comment hopefully you have a speaker card uh guess officer and Mr Brown if you have any public commentary for us no close
it I appreciate that uh we'll go ahead and uh you didn't see Mr Walton out there we'll go ahead and close the public comment but he knows our next uh uh workshop on the LDC so we might see him uh I suppose if there's no further Ado I gav us closed all right system shut down thanks every