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How do you condense your book so much? I usually just leave everything in. >> Oh gosh. You can't distinguish what the contrasting colors is. >> Good evening. The time is now 700 p.m. >> and I'll call to order the town council

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meeting of Tuesday, July 21st. Going to begin with an invocation followed by a moment of silence and then the pledge of allegiance. If all those that are able, please join me in standing. >> Let us pray. Almighty God, we are

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grateful to be able to serve this wonderful community. Grant us open minds to hear differing viewpoints, humble hearts to seek common ground, and the wisdom and courage to make decisions that reflect the values and hopes of our community. In all that we do, may grace and peace be with us all. Amen.

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>> Amen. >> We'll now pause for a moment of silence. Please join me in the pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God

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indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> May we have roll call please? >> Mayor Kitzky >> here. >> Vice Mayor Choy here. Councelor Delaney >> here. >> Councelor Gisinger >> here. >> Councelor Sunstrom >> here. >> Town manager Kitsuro >> here. >> Town attorney B

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>> here. >> Okay. Um we begin tonight. We have a uh trim public hearing and I'll turn it over to staff. Okay, while we're waiting for that, um I

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just want to recognize uh Deputy Chief Shaw, our fire department. Deputy Chief Shaw's son is here earning his merit badge. Um if he could just stand up and be recognized. There we go.

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>> And Mr. Reynolds, we're on your agenda item. I do apologize. >> That's okay. Doesn't matter. Welcome. >> Again, I do apologize. My wife is not feeling very well this evening, but uh Scott Reynolds uh CFO for the town of

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Jupiter. Okay. Um, Scott Reynolds, the CFO for the town of Jupiter. Uh, this evening I'm here to present the uh truth and millillage uh the our so-called trim uh for the FY27 budget.

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uh the property valuations have increased uh by 6.4% uh going into FY20 uh7. You can see there it's a $1.2 billion increase over FY26.

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Uh what we like to point out each year is the new construction number. Uh it's less than 1% increase. The town has always uh heavily relied on the valuation increases each year. So that accounts for 5.64% of the overall

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valuation increase. One of the highlights is um that we're going to be talking about this evening is the uh millage rate uh that we're proposing. Also includes the uh Jupiter fire rescue uh for the first year. Uh

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you can see uh we've estimated that there's going to be an approximate $10 million savings to the taxpayer starting in year 1 even with the rate that were that is being proposed. Uh you can see uh on this slide the general operating

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millage of uh 2.3894. Uh the proposed uh portion of that rate that would fund the fire portion would be 1.1992 uh for a total proposed millillage of 3.5886. But this is very significant. Uh we've

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been uh working towards this over the last 3 years. Uh first year of savings for the Jupiter residents is estimated to be $10 million. The other item that we need to uh discuss this evening is the roll back rate. Um the this year's roll back rate

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is 2.2705 uh with the uh proposed rate of 3.5886. Uh would bring in approximately $70 million, just over $70 million. Uh the proposed rate over roll back brings in

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an additional $25.8 million. Uh one of the things I wanted to talk about in relation to that rate is the percentage increase uh over the roll back which is 58% uh increase which is highly unusual but

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it's due to the uh the bringing on of the Jupiter fire rescue. The other thing uh that we show every year and specifically this year we wanted to highlight was how this rate is going to impact the residents. Uh we

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show on this slide a $750,000 home, a $500,000 home, and a million uh commercial piece of property. Uh homesteaded and non-homesteaded. Uh, one thing that we've added in this slide, I know there's a lot of information here,

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uh, but we wanted to include uh, the Palm Beach County Fire uh, rescue rate, the MSTU of 1.7251 that was assessed in FY26. So, you can see here it's going away going into 27. So, you see that

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difference in the millillage uh, and the increase which is accounts for the Jupiter Fire Rescue of 1.1992. Uh but then going down into the actual tax bill, what that's going to look like, uh you can see the Palm Beach County Fire Rescue will not be charged

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next year. That's the highlighted zero amount uh in FY27. And then the total overall savings of $287 for the homesteaded property at $750,000 and then $182

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uh for the $500,000 home that's homesteaded. The commercial property you can see at $260,000 at a million dollars. When you look at the non-homesteaded property, uh you can see a little bit smaller of a savings uh because they're non homesteaded. You can

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see it's the 500 or $750,000 home, $135, uh and then the $500,000 house uh is just over $60. So, what we're asking for this evening is council's authorization of resolution 92-26,

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which will set the trim millage rate of 3.5886. Uh, this is required for reporting to the state of Florida and the property appraiser tax collector and also setting the date of the first public hearing of September 8th of 2026.

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Um if authorized all the property tax owners will be notified uh via the trim notice that goes out in August and once authorized for advertising the proposed rate will go down and we can uh and cannot be increased uh without

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readvertising to the residents but you can always go down on the rate uh going up uh we would require readvertising and the whole process over again. And I do apologize for being late, mayor, but are there any questions?

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>> Uh, depend public comment. >> No, sir. >> Okay. Uh, any questions from the council? >> I just want to um be clear for our residents, even with this proposal that you're coming forward with on the millage rate, we are still going to be less

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with the fire department included. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you. >> That was my comment. Anything else? Yes, I have a question. Um, can I speak briefly about Senate Bill 4F? So, we have a millillage that we're proposing here, but what will be the vote required

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to achieve this millillage down the line in terms of our budget discussions in September? >> Whether the uh proposed >> Yeah. What can you explain the bill and what's changing this year? >> Um, one of the things the significant changes in the legislation that you're speaking of is that the growth in

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personal income was taken away. uh which basically uh keeps the roll back static and that is your maximum millage. Uh so the roll back rate we just showed there that would be your maximum millage that you can vote on at a just a maj simple

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majority vote. Uh if you go up to 110% uh of that rate I do have that number. >> That's okay. I've got it with me. But just in theory, conceptually, if we go 110% over, we would need how many votes?

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>> That would require four of the five uh to vote for that. And anything over that would require unanimous vote of the council. Uh that's always been a play whether the change in legislation occurred or not uh because of the uh growth in in our millage rate uh even

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under the old rules would have required a unanimous vote of the council. So can I understand that before it used to be that with a simple majority it was about the millage rate. We could keep the millage rate the same. What changes this year is that we can keep the dollar

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numbers the same with a simple majority. But if the dollars go up above 110% it requires a greater majority and then beyond that it needs a unanimous vote. >> Unanimous. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Mhm. Any questions?

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>> No question but a comment. I appreciate what the town's been able to do as far as keeping the uh general operating fund CIP millillage at the 2 what 3894. I think that's been holding steady what for the last two to three years. So that's good news for the town residents.

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And also that 1.992 mills for the Jupiter Fire Rescue does does represent just so everybody knows a what 5307 millillage decrease over what we could potentially been paying Palm Beach County. So, that's where we get the $10 million savings. Is that correct?

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>> That is correct, sir. >> Okay. Thank you. No further questions. >> A few questions. Um, and I had sent those in earlier today. Did I don't know, Mr. Reynolds, if you were in to see my email. >> I did see it. Yes.

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>> Okay. Um, what would be the incremental equivalent millage rate to the non-advorum tax fee? Uh that would be 1.380. >> That's the 1.3 what?

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>> 16080 >> as opposed to the 1.1992 for the fire portion. Okay. Well, um >> that would increase to a total millage uh to fund the town plus the fire rescue

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of 3.6974. >> 3.6974. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um so realizing that on the last day we act we have to have a uh

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unanimous decision on the millage rate. I'm going to just ask my colleagues to consider if they will uh proceeding with a uh trim notice millage rate

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uh which would be the um the 3.6974. Um, in the event we were to reach agreement on not having the non-advalum uh fire tax fee in 27 and putting it off

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until fiscal year 28. Um to me that makes a cleaner case and is more consistent with um what we had represented to the public because basically the millage rate even

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at that millage rate is going down more than 9% in total uh to what it was last year. So I'll repeat that. If you take last year's millage rate for the town and millage rate for Palm Beach County Fire Rescue,

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if we were to do a trim notice of the 3.6974, which is the upper bound, um we can lower um it's more than a 9% reduction in the tax rate. making it very clear every

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single property that gets uh in the town that pays a property tax gets the same you know percent reduction in millage rate across the board. Also uh on that note I do believe it is

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appropriate that the resolution be amended uh to include the unique set of circumstances that the town finds itself in. and it is not included in the resolution. I I don't want this to end up somewhere

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and somebody's trying to take the task the town for increasing the millage rate under the historical town millage rate where what we're now doing is in having created our own fire department. We're

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eliminating the MSTU. I know you know all this. I'm kind of emphasizing this for the public. So that MSTU for the fire county goes away. >> Sure. >> It's a rate we contracted at and now I do believe that should be in the resolution I guess as a whereas clause

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or something. So it's very clear otherwise it kind of implies like you know we're increasing the rate and we're making no mention of that while we all know it up here. So that's an easy ad regardless of what happens on the millage uh trim cap. Um but go into the

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uh non-advorum and make sure it's clear to everybody. I am thrilled, delighted that um the creation of the Jupiter Fire Rescue Department

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is leading to the nine plus% reduction in millage rate. Um $10 million. I mean, that's almost what the first year of this Save Our Homes tax amendment is. So, we've doing what we should always be doing without any nudge by the

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legislators or governor. Uh, but um so I'm I'm supportive of that and um one way or the other we're going to have to find a way to uh make sure that we're we're fully funding that. Um, but I still continue to have an

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issue with the um premium uh that is the basis of the non avalorum fire tax. And um I've said this uh every time I've opposed, but I just want to repeat on the record. The town's consultant that

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we hired to establish the fire tax calculation basis took included two items that I don't agree with. Usually, as an elected official, these would be policy decisions that we could have acted upon.

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In this case, unique to establishing a fire tax. A study was done. The first time we learned what was how it was going to be calculated, we also learned that we it was take it or leave it. We couldn't we couldn't act on any changes.

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But as an example, number one is I made the case that once we saw what the rates were that they were unfair in my view in a minority perhaps with the rate being on a per square foot

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basis that increases the larger the uh residence is. So, and I know this is was mentioned I think at the last meeting that we discussed this that gee it makes sense that if you have a,000 ft home and you

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have a 40,000 foot home, not that we have many of those in Jupiter, but if you were to use that example, it's fair that the 40,000 foot home pay higher amount. Don't disagree. Um, despite the fact that no other

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municipality does it that way, but I'd be fine with that. But that would mean that the 40,000 square foot home, if we have in fact won in that category, I don't know. You'd expect 40 times the non-assessment fee and it's 80 times.

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So there's an unfair scale up that affects homes in a much much more common square footed range, which I've disagreed with. Then the uh the consultant also chose to uh establish the single family house

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fee based on total square footage including uh porches, balconies and garage. Whereas on town homes and condos they chose to use air conditioned space. And initially there was maybe

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some confusion that's all that was available. But as I reported in this council before um you know I looked and there's 15 different neighborhoods that have town homes or condominiums uh that demonstrate the widespread

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disparities between single family homes and um and I could rattle them off but uh but I've said them before so just for brevity I'm not going to. but widespread areas that because one owns a town home, they pay a smaller fee because the fee

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was based on air conditioned space. Um whereas single family home with that same exact square footage pays a premium. The premiums on the cases that I found which I considered unfair premiums

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range from 44% to 67% higher. In good conscience, I'm not just not going I'm going to continue to oppose this right up to the day that either I've lost the opportunity to influence or um andor we establish the budget and

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uh the non the non advor fire tax fee is cast in concrete. I'm just uh just appealing to my colleagues to consider going with the higher trim notice at this point in time and um

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obviously if you decide not to then that uh that eliminates one option to re would reach a unanimous decision um there is another one I have in mind but uh any event so I turn it to my colleagues for do I get any support to go with the

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uh not to act on the non nonadvalor fire tax fee tonight, but to act on the trim notice that goes out because you can't go higher than that. And if we were to get agreement to eliminate the fire tax fee, then the the uh

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property tax fee being totally advalum would need to be higher. So is there any support for what I was proposing? I'd >> like to understand maybe maybe director Reynolds can answer this. If we went down that path, what would be the risk

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to the town? I'm particularly concerned about next year in 2027 and 20 or 28 and 29 in in the event that the uh homestead exemption does increase >> to the property owners. >> Um >> could I just say I make it clear I'm

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sorry I know you asked him but I would be proposing that we redo the study to be a fair one to consider and then but that couldn't be enacted until fiscal year 28 which should be next budget cycle. So, are you saying if if we don't, you

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know, add back in the percentage of the non-advelorum into the trim, which would raise it, that if we needed a 50 vote, you wouldn't be on board with a 50 vote. And if we needed a five vote 50 vote, where would we be? >> Where would I be on what?

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>> Are you saying that you wouldn't if we need a unanimous decision decision to raise a millage rate over a certain percentage that you wouldn't vote? You wouldn't be part of the majority. We'll have to work through it. At this point in time, the easier way to get to the majority is to set the trim at the assuming that we're not having the fire

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non-anorm tax fee. >> Director Reynolds, can you tell me what would happen or this council what would happen if we didn't if we failed to reach unanimous vote given the new provision, the Senate bill? uh then you would you would go back to the the

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two/3s majority vote uh if if that's what you so could uh receive or you could go back to the simple majority. But either way uh the simple majority you'd lose uh uh $25.8 million uh the simp the two/3 vote uh just over $21

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million uh >> would we be able to fund our fire department? How would we fund the fire department as that is the planned funding for them? that would have to come from the general fund reserves. Uh and as you know, we've we've talked about that during the budgetary workshops. We're currently sitting at

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about 43 uh just less than $50 million. Uh we could do it. Uh but then we would be bumping up on uh what I would consider to be a red line below uh what we should probably have in our reserves uh going forward to be able to react to

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if there's a major catastrophe here in town. We talk about it every year. uh you lose that kind of money uh in just one year. Uh that's that could be uh considered to be uh um like I said I

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would be concerned if there was a major catastrophe in town and being able to react and then rebuilding the reserves to that level back. >> So this is planned recurring revenue to meet a recurring expense with the fire department. So if we were to use reserves that would be a single year >> that's a one time event

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>> and we deplete our reserves. And so in year two, there would be more uncertainty, >> especially with what we're facing with the legislation uh that's hanging out. Uh we we all have seen the numbers. Uh we'll be talking more about that this coming Thursday. Uh but uh you're you're

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you are correct. That's a one-time funding mechanism um from the reserves. Uh we need to find uh ongoing revenues uh to pay for ongoing expenditures. >> Thank you. By the way, I I don't think we're at

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risk of not coming to a majority uh a unanimous decision, but it may be one that uh nobody's happy about. Uh because I would I'm going to support a way to fund our fire rescue department, but I'm

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going to want to uh make call people that are being unfairly assessed. Um, so I see a way that I would imagine a motion in a second on the 18th to adopt a millage rate that I won't support

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if it includes a non assumption of the non-advorum fire tax fee on good reasons. I just in good conscious can't unfairly tax people. Uh but number two um but what I would do would be passing the gavl to vice mayor

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and I'd be making a motion on a different advalorum tax rate that would be include a significant amount for a fire a fire department is not at any risk here. Let's make that pretty clear, right? It's not at risk if we uh if we don't do the fire assessment or if we

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somehow make whole the people that are getting charged unfairly. Not at risk. I don't want any doubt about that. I I just I mean we're at the finish line here of our you know fire department the work that's gone into it and you know

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>> there's no there's no >> there's five there's five votes here majority wants a nonadville I understand why you don't I understand your principles I partly agree with you a little bit it's not exactly fair but from what I've seen it's the most fair method to get there and it gives the town flexibility I just think this is

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sort of um I don't know >> put you made undo undo pressure on the council and the staff >> for this. So >> go ahead. >> Oh, I just I do want to make the case for the other side because I do think this is settled policy. We have had a number of votes on this where the

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majority has supported the non-advalum assessment and what we understood from that is that there are two options for non-advalum assessments both accepted in the state, both tested, both legally accepted as reasonable and fair for residents. Now neither one is perfect. We did say that. So whichever one we

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chose, there would be some issues. And I think that's where we all agree um here tonight. But it's twofold, right? One is this is going to be at 15% a very small number, very small percentage relative to what we could have done. We could

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have a much larger fee. We wanted this to be debt service only. We could change it down the line. We could do another study. We could pay it off early. We could do a number of things. Um, but we've decided that while not perfect, it does give the town more options and

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stability in terms of source. Um, there may only be one 40,000 foot home, but there are a number in Emerald's Cove and other communities that have sizable square footage. And there are a number of homes they're renovating that add square footage. And relative to other communities in town, we do have a

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diversity in terms of square footage that leads to this being a reasonable approach. Um, I would say that we, in addition to costs, in addition to diversifying revenue streams, we're also doing it for transparency. The county is

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having a conversation right now about whether or not the sheriff should have a separate fund. And that's to provide transparency, a line item budget, which they don't have right now. They don't receive a line item budget from the sheriff. And so we have always spoken in starting this fire department that we

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wanted a certain level or expected a certain level of transparency going forward. Even in our contract negotiations with the county, it wasn't always transparent in some some of the line items unbudgeted situations. What does this mean? So or stations built

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outside of town, what kind, where um discretion there. So we wanted more transparency and what the NAV does is provide that not only towards the debt service but also what it goes to to pay for what the debt's paying for. And so in separating it and adding a little

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extra sunshine to it, it helps control costs helps manage how we grow. And I think that's as important as you know the cost and the diversification as we go forward, especially with amendment three on the ballot. So, you know, we

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did vote for this multiple times. A majority passed it. It is settled policy. It is hard to plan. We have enough uncertainty externally. You know, we don't necessarily need additional uncertainty internally. And so, I would

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not support um the increased millage because that assumes more uncertainty going forward on something that I view as settled policy for now because we can change it later. Um, I would say towards the resolution and amending it to mention

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fire service. Absolutely. I would support that. I know legally we're required to include certain language in this, but I would love to add if we're allowed to and would support that. So, Mayor, for clarity, would you repeat your motion?

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>> What was the question? You're you're proposing a motion for five. Repeat it, please. >> Who motioned? >> There w there was no motion. >> No motion. >> Your recommendation. I'm sorry.

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>> Well, >> we had a point. And I accept the fact you know if in fact that is settled policy I accept the fact >> but then I expect those that uh prevailed in that settled policy to recognize that that doesn't compel me to agree with a millage rate everybody else

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uh has a you know would want to go with. So I may choose to go with a lower number. That's my prerogative. Right. >> I agree. I think all that's >> and then I want to say and I want to be careful about this because we work hard extremely hard to be transparent. I don't want this to be taken out of

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context uh because this is just a trim notice. We're not going through the budget discussions whatever. But if this was a budget workshop or hearing what was presented on resident impact and commercial impact is not transparent because it doesn't include the

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non-Avalone fire tax fee. So we go forth that settle policy >> then it needs to be included so it's recognized what that's what to me that's why it was a simpler matter if it was all advalorum tax rate you could do a nice clean sheet here and everybody gets

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9 plus% reduction in advorum tax rate except I know majority rules settle policy but then we're going to have to be careful about uh rec talking about the resin an impact and commercial

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impacts because it did not include the fee that's been established here on out. It needs to be included somehow. >> I agree with that. So I don't know if it's uh if it is in fact settled policy by and that's the

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decision of a majority tonight then what I suggesting you wouldn't go with but I was suggesting to go with the higher millage rate that gave us options if the council so wanted them but that's what setting

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trim is about. So, I would make a motion to set the trim at 3.5886. >> Do I have a second? >> I'll second. >> Does that motion include the changes to the resolution?

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>> Yes. So to adopt a trim of 3.5886 and to amend the resolution to include the establishment of Jupiter fire rescue >> and the fact that the net would actually resulting in a net reduction in millage

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rate and you would read that as it's currently written. >> Correct. Yeah. I believe staff under have direction for that >> and the seconder agreed to that change. >> Yeah. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All

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in favor signify by saying I. I >> I oppose. Nay. The motion carries 4 to one. Didn't need to be unanimous tonight. Correct, Mr. Reynolds. >> That is correct. This is the preliminary. >> Okay. Okay. Next, um we're delighted

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uh to be receiving a presentation uh update on the 20 2026 legislative outcomes uh by Mr. Jeff Atwater. Um welcome,

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>> Mayor and Vice Mayor, Council. It's good to be here tonight. Jeff Atwater from Ballard Partners. I do want to say that it is truly an honor for Ballard Partners, and I want to say this myself personally, to be advocating for the town of Jupiter before the legislature

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and the executive branch. Thank you very much. It's an honor. Um, Mr. Mayor, I know that uh during session I provided uh both a midsession report to the council and on late March when

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the session had ended all but the budget itself. I had provided an end of session report providing that through our town manager and through uh council sunstrom your legislative leaison and I know that it had been distributed to everyone. So if there are some questions on that

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tonight, I'd be happy to touch on those. But since that time, there were two events that took place that would not have been in included in any previous report. And I wanted to just touch on those briefly and then the outcome specifically regarding the requests uh of the town before the legislature

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through the session. Those two items were uh number one that the budget had not been passed at the end of session, the regular session before it went into extension. Uh it has now been passed and signed on uh on June 29th by the governor and just would like to say a

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couple things about that. It was uh about $17 billion, slightly less than the prior year. Um and if the questions would be natural, where did those where did those reductions come from? They came from some capital expenditures on infrastructure that would be a little less across the state year-over-year.

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Department of Corrections uh took a reduction and there was a reduction in what uh the governor approved for funding such as requests that uh municipalities and counties and special taxing districts made to the legislature. So those local requests

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were also reduced in size. Um it was a uh a record year for for K through2 education. um about $740 million billion dollars million dollars in new dollars uh over $30 billion now in K- through2

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education. A good dollar amount for teacher pay which I think most Floridaidians um would certainly support more of that directed towards veteran teachers. About $640 uh million in Everglaze restoration that continuing on on that process and getting closer

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and closer to the commitment that we had made with our federal government. um and uh significant about $450 million towards acquisitions of lands that would be in agricultural lands, environmentally sensitive lands, expanding wildlife corridors.

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Um so those would probably be some highlights. Um smaller budget again from year-over-year are still anticipating by federal by the state revenue projections that things might get a little tighter in the couple two to three years on the horizon.

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But I would like to say um and again I from just listening to this conversation, tremendous congratulations to you and the leadership and the stewardship of of the fiscal responsibility and the condition that you have placed uh in your your town's

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hands. It's it's really extraordinary to listen to this discussion tonight. Um likewise, the state of Florida is in very good shape. I just would again reiterate AAA credit rating um a very sound um retirement system

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when compared to any virtually anybody else. Uh actually I should add that in this budget there was as you may recall or know in the state retirement system since uh since July of 11 there is no COLA in retirement uh calculations but

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there was an inclusion this year for those in the retirement system eligible for special risk. So for our firefighters, there will be a minimum of 1 and a.5% inclusion of uh of cola going forward. But the the debt outstanding for the state of Florida, again, by any

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comparison, very sound on a per capita basis, one of the lowest, if not really top bottom 10 in the country for for low. Same thing would be on spending on a per capita basis. So very very sound there. Uh so uh and then in a minute I will then specifically address how that

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budget you know played out for the town of Jupiter which I think most of you are up to speed on. But the second significant um u legislation that took place was the passage of amendment three which you've touched on and I know is very important to to you and frankly to

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all Flidians. Um it is uh it will be on the November ballot. uh it will require a 60% um approval by the voters on that date. Uh just as a matter of context um the state has had this particular

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constitution and since 1968 it has been amended 146 times. The United States has had a constitution for 250 years that's only been amended 27 times. So there may be you know particular opinions on that whole process but it has now been raised to

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60%. It was raised to 60% back in 2006 by the will of the voters that that would be the required approval for passage of a constitutional amendment. Since that time, there's been 75 amendments. 50 have passed. So, it's about a 65% passage ratio. There are lawsuits that have been filed that will

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be considered shortly. Um, none of those lawsuits can take the amendment off the ballot, but what they can require because the the basis of those lawsuits is is that the language, the ballot language is not clear as to the consequences of the outcome of the

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decision. And that maybe again the argument made by the the uh petitioners of the lawsuit is is that the ballot language is not clear enough and the title is also not clear enough. And so those will be decided. What the court could require is for the attorney

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general to revisit the both the title of the amendment and the summary for the for the voters to read. So that is that is out there as well. So just uh um now if I might uh touch on uh the outcomes.

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Um, in so doing, I'd like to say that um the process that that uh brought us to the final conclusion is always a lengthy one in in um in going through the legislative approval process and the governor's veto scrutiny. Um it began

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with you. You all established the priorities. Um you handed those to your staff. the staff worked on those and developed those and uh and again the clarity of of what was ultimately provided to us to carry on your behalf

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was uh was exceptional. Um the work that was done to help any reader in the legislature understand the consequences of inaction and the partnerships that you have created strategically to see that these things get done and how important they would be um was was

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extraordinary. the narrative, the analysis was extraordinary. I uh I just can't I can't express that enough. So, we developed sponsors. Senator Herrell carried all eight of of our requests. Uh Representative Snyder carried three of the eight and

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Representative Peggy Caset Sidman carried five of the requests. And I would like to express to you that they hung in there the entire session, were very supportive of the efforts. Um, those went through all the committee processes, all the chairs, the one-on-one opportunities that we had to advocate on your behalf in front of

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budget chairs, in front of the presiding officers, the speaker and the president um uh was always granted and uh and we had a chance to make the case on behalf of the town. was pleased to share with you that um when the budget was passed

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by the legislature ultimately the two sides coming together at the end of May that all eight of the requests uh that had been put forth were included within the conference uh product and the full

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budget at uh the full ask of every item. Uh then of course the process went on to the governor's office, the office of planning and budget. They would be scrutinizing every item and then it would move on to the uh deputy chiefs of staff or the governors depending upon their portfolio of natural resources or

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transportation, public safety, whatever it might be. and we again had the opportunity to advocate on your behalf and um and ultimately when the governor signed the budget on June 29th um just incredibly pleased to have shared with

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you that um that six of those eight uh had been approved and would just um I just want again for those who might be listening and for the benefit of of your citizens again the extraordinary effort that you all that you all made and the achievement

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based on several reasons that I'd like to share in a minute, nothing short of saying the reputation of the town of Jupiter is so strong in Tallahassee that you um have with the agencies that if you are in fact dollars are deployed to you for a purpose, you get it done and

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that is an incredible reputation that you have earned. We requested A1A beach frontage drainage of $100,000. $100,000 was approved. Almost place Alma's Place drainage we requested $169,100.

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$169,100 was granted. A1A Sawfish Bay Outfall requested 125 and $125,000 was granted. Simol Bas and Water Quality, the request for $241,794.

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I loved the specifics to that one. That was granted at at full dollar. $241,794 highspeed rail safety fencing. $50,000 requested, $50,000 granted in the Tony Penn and Central Boulevard intersection. 350,000 requested, $350,000 granted for

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a total of the six projects, 1,35,84. Last thing I would say before taking your questions. I do think I'm in a unique perspective here or unique position after 25 years of being in almost every seat that one could see this process from the Florida House, the

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Florida Senate CFO, the state cabinet member in the in the hat that I wear on your behalf today that this was accomplished based on the people in this room. um the reputation that you have created over the years, uh

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your strategic direction, the quality of the work of the staff to prepare the documents that we would take forward, never seen anything like it. Um the followup, the follow through. If ever I

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was trying to reach uh Councelor Sunstrom or Kate Morettto with a need, the answer was before I got it out of my mouth, check your inbox, we've already sent it. the anticipation for the need and then the collaborative partnerships

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to think of something like um I think it was the uh the Sawfish Bay outfall where you were able to bring in early uh the Lockxahhatche River Management Coalition, the Jupiter Inlet District. Building these coalitions early sent the

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message to everyone that this was a regional matter, not one unique that the town is trying to address. But what you could do together to change the nutritional fall into that uh watershed mattered and it mattered to more than just the town of Jupiter. You were you

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were taking this on on behalf of all of us in North County and and frankly everyone enjoying the Lockxahhatchee River and the wildlife and marine life. So, um, uh, Mr. Mayor, I just I I I want you to know that I have never seen anything like this. Uh, and the quality,

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the care, the thoughtfulness, the diligence, the professionalism uh was uh was what I would think was um was a very successful run. So, it was just a real privilege to be a part of it. Thank you. Happy to answer any

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questions. I'll turn to uh I'll turn to councelor Sunstrom first as our uh legislative leaison and I allow each one of us as we go down both comments and questions. I have no questions tonight, Mr.

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Atwater, but I do want to take a moment to just extend some very welldeserved gratitude and say how grateful we are to have worked with you through this session to say that while it's very important to understand Tallahassee, and you certainly do. Um, I think what we've

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found to be even more valuable is that you understand us as a community, our town, and how uniquely Jupiter we are. And you do that because you yourself are a resident of North County. You understand our perspective. You've taken the time to get to know our staff very

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well. Um our council, um our residents, in fact, many of them are your friends, family, neighbors. So, um we're just so grateful for that and your combination, that local perspective with your experience made sure that Jupiter's voice was heard and that it was

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effective um in the session. So, I really just want to thank you for that. and the time and um you know you gave us such great feedback. It's helpful to know that it's helpful to have these coalitions early. It's helpful to know um that we have a reputation for getting projects done and that that's valued and

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seen in Tallahassee and we'll certainly carry that forward for the next session. We're grateful for how much you've taught us about the process. I think in previous years we didn't, you know, learn as much as we learned this year and certainly a lot has happened this year. But I feel more prepared than ever

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going into future legislative sessions because of what you've done for us. And so, you know, I just want to say thank you. You've done outstanding work. You and your partners have done outstanding work and um we're very grateful. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. Very kind.

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>> Council Giger. >> Well, it's hard to top that. But again, I want to thank you also, Jeff, along with our state representatives, town staff, and in particular councelor Sunstrom for supporting leading us from a council standpoint on these efforts

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and all the folks that involve preparing the documents, you know, supporting them and securing mult on the part of the town on behalf of the town improvement projects during this legis legislative st session, excuse me. So, thank you for ever everybody for

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everybody what you've done. Thank you. A little tongue tied there. So, >> actually, if I could just jump one say one more thing. Um, I agree. We certainly want to thank our staff. And I want to make a point. And if can I do this? Let's see if I can do this. Um, I

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really want to thank Kate Morettto, our assistant town manager. And I see every head nodding here. I see Mr. Outwaters's head nodding. um she has been instrumental in offering the projects that we should choose and helping to draft all of these well-written letters that we have signed to draft letters

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that our community partners have signed. So, all of our staff came together. This was absolutely a team effort. Um, but she has really been instrumental in leading staff forward. And if I could just ask her to stand and be recognized for a moment, I think it's

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>> Thank you for letting me do that, >> Councelor Delaney. Uh, I agree with everything said here. Uh, Councelor Sunstrom, thank you for being the point person on this whole process. And I agree with Kate for, you know, having all the background and the knowledge of every the issues that we the town is in

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need of. And Mr. Atwater, who better but you, you're a real local guy. You your experience, all the seats, all the hats you worn over the years. Um, I know your character because I knew who you kind of lived there. You have some mutual

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friends and I know of some personal. You're a great guy. I I appreciate all the hard work with that went into everything and just the whole staff, everybody, town manager. This is just this is sort of a new process for getting more involved with the Tallahassee issues and great job on that counselor. Excellent. Excellent work.

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So, thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you, >> Vice Mayor. >> Thank you. Again, I could repeat everything that was said. I won't. However, again, the connection with Tallahassee and North Palm Beach County, we could not have asked for a better individual. our staff and Kate leading

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it all. The sponsors that you were able to get who aren't sitting in the audience here tonight, they believed in Jupiter and Jupiter is unique and it does have a reputation in Tallahassee. So when Jupiter speaks, they listen.

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Your guiding force, the process we all learned this year. >> The homework that was done is just extraordinary. and what's presented is what comes back. And thankfully the governor saw it, signed the budget. Um,

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but we do we we thank you. We thank Councelor Sunstorm and our staff. Um, and let's see what next year will bring. I hope you're going to be standing here and telling us some more wonderful things. But I know personally you are a local man. We know your family. We know

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who you are. We know where to find you. Um, and again, thank you from the bottom of our heart because you did it with a heart. >> You did it with all your experience. Um, with everything that you've done, we reap the reward and we thank you very much.

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>> Thank you. Well, um I want to just add first of all I agree with everything that's been said. So hopefully none of this is redundant, but I do want to share a perspective that you know over the years that I've served many years we didn't

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have a lobbyist. Then we had a lobbyist mostly those uh based in Tallahassee. And uh this was the most incredible experience we have um from the get-go.

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Um I've never been we've never benefited from the customized legislative reports uh knowing what's important to Jupiter. Um because in the past we would get this massive legislative report and we'd have

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to try to decipher which ones we were impacted by. So that customized report helped us. Um I think that uh this was an extraordinary uh team effort. I certainly ditto owe

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the kudos that you pass out and and our leg our legislative lays on here on the DAS and Kate Meto and all the staff and the fact that you mentored us through a process to go ahead and you know get the supportive letters and stuff. So, we

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learned a lot this year that clearly um will help us in not only helped us this year, but will help us in years to come. And that wouldn't have happened without your mentoring us. Um so, I know

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you're the humblest lobbyist we've had and uh you deflect any compliments. Uh uh but you know, thank you. um we wouldn't have been successful. You know, when you reach out to me a few times,

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you know, near the end on um to manage expectations, I had none. No, because with the governor's veto record, everybody should understand here, right? With our governor's line item veto record and expectation on that

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to get six out of eight 75% is staggering. And that's a tribute to the team. I'm a numbers guy, so I can't not say that. There may have been years that we got more money, but under the circumstances, and I'm not that's

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not negative about the governor. He's known for that, right? This his last opportunity. And um but uh to get that success is just incredible. So, um, and then just with that, and I have a couple of I'll leave these questions as not to

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be answered tonight unless you felt compelled, but to get back with us to the degree that you understand, um, the, you know, amendment three and whatever. And I don't think um any of us

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well I think we have to wait until what's going on in the courts and what language is adopted and all that but nonetheless I just wanted to ask on three items that uh I'm kind of curious about and as a minimum if and I know we

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can ask and we will we are asking our uh town attorney to give us guidance but you know how it is everybody's going to have an opinion and I'm just curious if you could even get to the opinion of the legislators who voted on this, right? Because when it comes down to it, it

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seems to me their opinion on what I'd like to know what they voted on. Uh so there's three items in the U in the U legislative house of representative legislation. One was on in article 7 section 9 local

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taxes item A imperence 2C on infrastructure definition. I think the infrastructure definition is implied. I'm hoping there's a broader infrastructure definition but I asked

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that because you know everything related to parks and wreck was line item vetoed in Palm Beach County. And that's one of the items that you know in this town we've had three voter referendums on on an advorum tax assessment that passed

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um and it was basically for parks open space um or community center. So I know that this community values that um it appears that the governor did and based on his line item uh actions and then

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does the infrastructure include for example what does it include other than this few items mentioned? So any opinions about that you know maybe it's buried somewhere in legislation with regard to the definition of that word or is it just self-contained? if it's

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self-contained, uh, it's bothersome. And then that same section article 7 section 9 A2G talks about um

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the local taxes for advorum taxes can be defined by uh how the local government governing body funds operations and expenditures. Um, and does this include scope of

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services and infrastructure with it which we have historically funded? And I I'm curious about that because one read on this is like there's a lot of stuff that will no longer be fundable by advorum taxes. And then the

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last item is under the constitutional amendment language. And I know it's subject to all change and everything. Um but um what's bothersome most bothersome to me about that um is um

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and I don't know how a the language in the ballot amendment can override I'm not a lawyer you know can override the language in the bill but uh uh just concerned about the language

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that says um the benefit was it was going to require by through general law a schedule for full elimination. And that's the most troublesome because up till this point in time,

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some perceive that the amendment deals with increasing the um homestead exemption for in year one 150,000 and in year two and 250,000. But in that language in and if I have

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the the latest copy, which I believe I do, it really concerns me that because it says exempted homes and properties from taxation exempts the first 250,000 from taxation for all levies other than school district and requires through

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general law a schedule for full elimination. I'm concerned that the legislators were empowering themselves to go all the way without coming back to the voters. So that quite frankly that may be the most troublesome of anything in here. Uh and therefore I'm curious

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what the intent is for that. But I don't see that language in the body of the doc the legislation but it is in the de you know so you know I didn't want to put you on a spot but on the other hand if there's anything you wanted to comment on if not my expectation is you would

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just get back with us >> and and um thank you Mr. Mayor. I I will get back with you. But um and I think what would be good for me to do on our behalf would be to all all correspondence and all debate is

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documented for the ability to later determine um what intent was um if it wasn't actually in the final written document or the clarity was not in the final written document that we would be disputed later. I certainly believe that

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on at least one and two, well, actually on all three, I can work with the legislative staff to as to is there any other documentation that will be used for the clarification of of of these points and and as you

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would have seen in the in the uh in the legislation itself, it would it would occasionally refer to where in statute this item is particularly defined. And if in fact if you're reading that and infrastructure has a limited definition then you're right then it's going to be left for great interpretation uh down

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the road and much probably debate down the road. But but why don't I go back on each one of these and see if I can provide you with any other intent that was there. I do believe on number three, uh, as you recall, the governor's, um,

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narrative in his conversation in promoting the idea was ultimately to full elimination. And I think the legislaturator's inclusion of this was a recognition that that might have been where the governor wanted to go, but at this point, one and two, steps one and

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two would be scheduled. A third for a full potential full elimination would be determined by a pathway established by the legislature which could then its prerogative to take its time incrementally to if ever work there. But

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why don't I why don't I work to come back to you with something more solid. >> Thank you. >> And and again, thank you for the very kind comments and again for the honor to serve you. Uh, and I I do want you to know that uh, Senator Herold and and Representative Snyder and Representative

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Caset Seidman uh, again stuck with this the whole way. Uh, they were very encouraging and supportive and this night did not work for them. I would not have wanted to have taken their thunder, deservedly so. Um, as well as I think I'm glad your

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fellow uh counselors uh councelor Sunstrom have recognized how closely aligned you were to the guidance that I was being given and how quickly you're responding and I'm so glad that you recognized the assistant town manager tonight. I think that that is the

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defining point. Thank you all very much. >> Thank you very much. >> And don't feel compelled to sit out the meeting. Oh, >> okay. Next up is our uh

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fire chief uh for JFRD update. >> Okay. >> You had to drag it first. >> Drag it first. and then control L. I'll click on it. Control L. Now that we've made it through the

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technical stuff, uh, mayor, council members, those attending here in person, and those watching from home, thank you so much for the honor of allowing me to serve here at Jupiter Fire Rescue. Uh, tonight's update is going to focus

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on four things. first being Division Chief Ramirez and Captain Olsen's Venezuela deployment. Uh our new fire inspector 2 and plan reviewer, our fire and EMS training update, and an update on our temporary

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fire station. So, if I could have Chief Ramirez and Captain Olsen come up. On June 24th, a double earthquake struck northern Venezuela. And on June 26, a 79 member FEMA urban

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search and rescue team known as Florida Task Force 2 was activated as part of the United States urban search and rescue response which also included LA County, Fairfax, Virginia, and Florida Task Force One, which is based in Miami

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Dade. So, an urban search and rescue task force is a special team of firefighters, paramedics, doctors, and even specialized dog handlers. And they go to disaster areas like collapsed buildings, floods, or storms to find and

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save trapped people. Along with other members from all across South Florida, two of our Jupiter Fire Rescue members deployed as part of Task Force 2. Division Chief Rob Ramirez

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and Captain Kenny Olsen deployed with this team. They conducted aroundthe-clock search and rescue missions of more than a 100 collapsed buildings, including a continuous

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183hour rescue with the assistance of the Chilean USAR team to successfully remove Hernand Gil from an eightstory building collapse. And so Shawn is going to help us with this short video here, I

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think. stand. >> Right now we are digging underneath a building collapse, reaching a U live victim been here for several days and we've been working on here for over 48 hours. We've been assisted by teams from

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all over from Chile to Portugal to Mexico, Venezuela, USA international team. that we're in a very precarious position that's trying to fall in a continuous state of falling and we're trying to keep it up as long as possible and keep

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our members safe and remove the trap victim. Uh we're reaching the end of day seven for him and it's very important that we try to get him out as soon as possible. He has been receiving medical care. Thank you. Yeah.

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Heat. Oh yeah. Bye-bye. Right now we are digging underneath the building in collapse. At the beginning of this video, you heard the uh person interviewing a

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person and the person responding. That was Division Chief Ramirez. Chief RmIrez and Captain Olsen spent 12 days in Venezuela digging through rubble, climbing underneath collapsed buildings for 12

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days. So, our thanks go out to these extremely brave gentlemen for representing the town of Jupiter in this deployment. And I want to turn it over to each of them just to speak a little bit about their experience.

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Thanks, Chief. Barlo. Uh, thanks, Chief. And thank you to the council. Thank you to the town leadership, our command staff, and the family supporting us back home. I've been on this task force for 21 years. I've had my share of deployments uh

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international, national, all over the country, Caribbean, uh Haiti, 2010, and this was up there with uh the worst of them. Uh the amount of damage that that country suffered in a short period of time was amazing. Uh unprecedented

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completely. Uh it was like 1,000 surf sides in in an area that was no bigger than the beach area down here. And uh I got the honor of working with a lot a lot of brave men and women who took extraordinary risk uh to themselves the

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entire time we were in that country. Uh from the time that we deployed that we were activated to we landed in Venezuela, it was a continuous 36-hour effort. Uh once we got there, we have to fully support ourselves. It's not like we show up there and there's a hotel waiting for us and vehicles waiting to

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valet us to to and from. Uh once we arrive, we're fully we sustain ourselves in country. Wherever we land, we set up our own logistics, communication, water, electricity, uh shelter, and food. And on top of all that, we we're able to sustain a very high level mission. This

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team is uh one of the 28 teams in the federal system. We deploy local, federal, international, and the team itself is made up, like the chief mentioned earlier, firefighter, paramedics from across the tri county area, Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach County. And these are not we're not

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doing any fire fighting at all. We're not even doing paramed. We're completely focused on a different form of rescue that that we normally don't have an opportunity to do to do back home when we're answering 911 calls. uh that adds and brings back tremendous value to the organization and

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the people that we we're going to be serving uh come October 1st. Uh they're going to be getting uh 21 years of of international national deployment history plus captains Olsen's and Chief Shaws on the team as well. And we've all been on the team for a very long time and this was a great effort not just by

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the two members standing before you by all 79 from different agencies represented and I was just privileged and honored to be part of their leadership team. Thank you. It does mean a lot having support back home. Uh we couldn't do without support especially of our families, our wives,

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um the village um that makes the world go round. Um the support was unwavering. I had multiple multiple guys from my past apartment and my new home here in Jupiter reach out to see if there's anything I needed and they even went as far as reaching out to my wife knowing

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that she was probably not going to be able to talk to me for the next 10 10 to 14 days. Um, we were just two lucky guys that happened to be in the right place at the right time and answer our phones and say we're available. And uh we couldn't the whole mission took all 79

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of us from the guys building showers to the guys building tents to us moving concrete with our hands. And in that video you can hear Chief Ramirez talking and in the faint background you can hear a little shovel digging moving concrete. That was me digging concrete and I heard him talking behind me and I thought he

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was this a little lighthearted. I thought he was asking me questions or talking to me cuz he was in charge of pushing my rocks back as I moved rocks to him. And I looked back and he was doing an interview while I were in the hole. And it's, if you know, Chief Remirs, it was spot on. All I did was

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smile. And then when he got off camera, I said, "Okay, it's time to start moving my rocks out of my way." Um, again, it's a pleasure. Um, right place, right time, and it's a it's a gift to be able to get a phone call to be able to go do that. It's a feeling like no

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other. Hopefully, no one else gets to experience what we had to go do, but if that phone call rings again, I'm sure there'll be more than one of us answering our phones to go. So, thank you guys. I just wonder if uh Chief Ramirez learned that little trick from uh Deputy

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Chief Shaw when he saw camera. >> Uh no, listen. Um as they both said, um this was a team effort. There were 79 members of that team that went and put themselves in harm's way. um people from

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all over this tri county area and each and every one of them deserves our thanks. Each and every one of them. But these two guys are special because they're ours. And so thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> I'd like everybody to stand and give them applause. Okay, moving on. Uh, so along with assuming fire and EMS services, the town will also be assuming responsibility for fire prevention inspections and new construction plan review. and under the

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leadership of our fire marshal, division chief Drew Armus, we're finalizing the build out of our fire prevention and community risk reduction division. So, council recently approved our fire prevention code ordinance. We're working on an ordinance to help reduce false

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alarms or unwanted alarms, which we'll be bringing to council in the month ahead. And we're also in the process of hiring our fire inspector one positions, which should be filled in the next few weeks. But uh tonight uh what's special is most recently uh we brought on our

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new fire inspector to and plan reviewer, Mr. Jason Funk. Uh he's joined our team and is making a huge impact already. He's a seasoned fire service and code enforcement official with over 25 years of experience. He comes to Jupiter from

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the Chicagoland area and he has prior ties to the South Florida Fire Service. significant experience in life safety enforcement and education. He served as a fire and life safety plan reviewer. He's conducted numerous public education campaigns and programs. He's also a

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youth fire setter intervention instructor and uh has extensive experience in fire investigations. So, I'd like to invite Jason up to introduce himself and say a few words. chief council. Um, I'm excited to be here. Uh, looking forward to working

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with the partners in the community and most importantly, uh, looking forward to the warm weather and getting out of the cold. So, thank you for the warm welcome from the town of Jupiter. Thank you. So, moving on to fire training. Our crews are making excellent progress.

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Phase one is nearing completion. Uh they've been covering the fundamentals of things like PPE or personal protective equipment familiarization, apparatus orientation, and truck checks. Uh this is the groundwork that ensures every firefighter knows their gear and their equipment and their rig inside and

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out before we ever roll up on a call. And from there, our people have moved into hands-on high-intensity training, including working with saws, ground ladders, advanced forcible entry, search and rescue, hose operations, and timed drills. These are the exact skills that

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separate a good response from a great one. And our crews are training on them under realistic and demanding conditions. And mind you, the weather's been a little warm out there. Uh what you're seeing in these photos on the screen is our founding class

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building muscle memory for the moments that matter most. I'm proud of the discipline and work ethic e ethic of this group. They're bringing it every single day and Jupiter is going to be well served by it. I also want to highlight the work our

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crews are putting into EMS training. Every shift, our people are training towards one goal, delivering the highest level of clinical care to Jupiter's residents. Over the past month, our personnel completed their American Red Cross basic and advanced life support

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training along with pediatric advanced life support, critical certifications that are needed to treat all ages of patients, especially our youngest residents. They've also trained in advanced airway management, cardiac and respiratory emergencies, cardiac monitor

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operations, and they're working hard every day on operationalizing our EMS treatment protocols. This isn't classroom time. It's hands-on scenario-based training so our people are ready the moment they walk into a

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call. I'm proud of this team. They're building the clinical foundation of this department months before we ever answer our first call and our residents are going to feel that difference. Uh an update next an update on our

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temporary fire station. So the remaining work on that station is mostly administrative. We're waiting on a few final permit signoffs. Physically the station is in great shape. The furnishings and appliances are all installed. Exterior canopy and gear storage shed are up. and our station

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alerting system is being installed now. We're tentatively targeting a move in by the end of July or possibly the first week of August, but the bottom line is our personnel, apparatus, and equipment will be ready and in place well ahead of

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October 1st. So, as you can see from tonight's update, this department is moving forward on every front. Our people are already answering the call at the highest level, including halfway around

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the world. As Chief RmIrez and Chief and Captain Olsen have showed us tonight, our fire prevention program is standing up. Our founding class is deep into fire and EMS training, building the clinical and tactical skills the community deserves, and our stations, the

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temporary and permanent alike, are on track to be ready well ahead of October 1st. This photo here says it all. a station built and ready to serve. So, my message to you tonight is the same one I'll bring every time I stand before this council. The Jupiter Fire Rescue

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Department is on time, on budget, and ready to serve. Thank you. >> Any uh questions or comments, Vice Mayor? >> No, I think everything has been said. Congratulations. Welcome back, gentlemen. Thank you for everything you

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do. >> Council Delaney, >> no question. Just uh keep moving along. You're getting close to the finish line. Great work. >> 71 days to your count, right, >> Council San? >> I really just want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart to Chief Ramirez

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and Captain Olsen. Um I was in Haiti shortly after the earthquake. I know uh that you responded to Haiti as well, Chief Ramirez. I understand and or I've seen just a small glimpse of what you've done. Um I was surprised by how long you could look for patients and rescue

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people after to be there for 12 days um doing what you did not giving up. It really meant so much to those families that country. So just thank you >> councelor Gasker. >> Yeah. Uh chief again thank you for a very good presentation. I've always got

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a lot of information you share and I appreciate the update you provide to the council. Also want to special thanks both Chief RmIrez and also Captain Olsen. U thank you for representing Jupiter with such distinction and for making our residents proud through everything you guys do on a daily basis.

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So thank you. just uh to close. Number one, I um so grateful with uh how our fire department has been staffed. Uh you know, we're thrilled on council that uh

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we have the capabilities we have to participate and that's what we would have wanted, but didn't necessarily expect we'd be able to do it. So, it says a lot. Thank you for bringing that bringing uh two professionals here tonight so we can thank them and to show

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us the video of the success. I almost didn't want to have asked that question. So I was delighted, you know, that uh we were able to hear learn about uh somebody who had been saved like what was it 8 days in or whatever. Um the um

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we all wish the coordinated effort in transition with the county was going to be better then and I'm still holding out to that. So, I know it's not 71 days till you're ready. As you said, you're ready now if we'd have the opportunity.

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And um you and I know that there's it's been a range, has it not, with Palm Beach uh Gardens uh to potentially begin to at least ride along with them. Correct. >> Yes, sir. >> And when is that going to begin?

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>> Uh we're working that into the training schedule now. Uh we wanted to get our folks through a few basic things first. So, uh, >> okay. I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but I'm delighted because as we heard from, uh, Admiral Cove as a

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community, 50% of their calls, uh, are responded to by the garden. So, uh, we're delighted that maybe we can't do ride alongs with uh, the county, but we can do ride alongs that will wind up being in Jupiter uh, with the garden. So, that's exciting. And then just

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lastly, the plans reviewer. Again, I wish the transition was more practical. I know that the county is holding their that they're responsible for plan review up until quitting time on that last day. But at that moment, whatever was left on

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the desk becomes ours and and even before even more importantly, whatever they wind up approving has to be inspected uh by, you know, our staff. So just about everything being reviewed right now is going to be under construction

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when it's fully within the town. So I just I would hope um that somehow they're getting into getting from our building department plans so they can be doing it he can be doing it in parallel review. But I'll just leave it at that and I'll try to put you on the spot. But

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>> you know I I I just do want to say that um you know this transition is moving forward very very well very cooperatively. Uh, Chief Rowley, tremendous, incredible, incredible guy. Uh, very helpful. Uh, Chief Woodside, we've been working closely with them.

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They're working closely with us. Their fire prevention division, Chief Darita, again, incredible partnership there. They've shared all of their data with us. They've developed a transition plan uh that will include working side by side. Uh, good. So I I will tell you

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that uh you know everything is on track on schedule on budget but this transition is also working smoothly. >> Awesome. That's good to hear. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to citizen comments. Uh do we have any citizen comments?

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>> Yes sir. We have nine speakers. >> We have one >> nine. >> None. Okay. Moving on to minutes. >> Nine. >> Nine. >> Nine. Okay. On this that's for non-aggenda items. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. This is the uh u this is the time for non-aggenda items

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and it's limited to three minutes uh per person. Anyone wishing to speak is asked to state his or her name and address for the record prior to addressing town council. We don't typically discuss the items this evening, but the issues are referred to staff for followup and uh

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then we're we get a report and we go from there and citizens are commented with the outcomes. With that um go ahead begin calling them up. >> Yes sir. We have nine speakers and two additional speakers who did not wish to speak. Um as your name is called if you'll please um utilize both podiums

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that we have. Our first speaker is Mark Watson, followed by Albert Garesa. Mayor Kinsky. Um, Miss Troy, my name is Mark Watson. I live at 1013 Sue Street. Uh

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after I got drafted and came out of the army, I moved from Chicago to Florida. Uh I heard that Jupiter was the most amazing place to live and it is. I moved here in 1980 with my wife and I. We opened a business and had successful

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time. Um I moved to Jupiter River Estates and the river that's behind Jupiter River Estates has always been exactly the same. It's got a lot of silt in the bottom of it. Always had some overgrowth on the tree from the trees and everything. You hired a company and

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and uh we are all paying quite a bit of money uh taxes to keep that river clean and the branches and everything. The first trip that they made down the river and everything was pretty extensive. They had to get a lot of branches and everything out of there and everything,

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but it's clean now. Uh the silt has always been there. The tide goes up and down about 4 feet there. There's nothing we can do other than, you know, the river is got fresh water coming in, but the silt is the problem. Uh this past

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year, they had some uh a tree trimming crew come in and they spent about one week, maybe uh maybe nine days, excuse me, trimming the branches out of

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the uh river area. Um, the problem is is that now that they got trimmed, there's not much to trim. Uh, they were there for only about 9 days. Uh, what I pay with my homes, uh, the amount of money that I'm paying

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paid for the entire crew to be there for the nine days. Okay. You're charging a 100 homes or 80 homes the same thing that I'm paying. Where is all that money going? All that extra money going. I think you're concerned about overt

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taxing uh the people in Jupiter. I think you're overt taxing us for this service. You're charging us way too much money for what has to be done. It's never going to change. Uh the the Boers who go out trim the branches so

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they can get out except where the Indian Town Road is that never got cleaned out. But uh the Boers themselves in order to get out, they trim it out. Uh, I think you're charging us way too much money to, but you know, I pay $3,000 a year and I'm retired. A retired

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Army veteran. I got drafted in ' 67 and I can't afford it and I think you're charging us too much. Please do me a favor. See if you can't sharpen your pencil on that. It needs to be dredged. Uh, the trees, don't worry about the trees. They'll get taken care of. That's

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not the problem that we need to get that dredged out. Okay. Thank you very much. Have a good day. >> Our next speaker is Albert Albert Geresa followed by Linda McDermott and Heath Wentz. >> Hi, I'm Al Jeresa, 2011 Bless Diles

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Lane. Um I have two miniature daches. My wife and I have two miniature daches. We walk them at night at approximately 9:15 9:30. A few weeks ago, I went out and there was a pitbull off of leash and uh of course we one dog's 10 pounds, the

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other one's 13 and thank God the the owner there was a woman out there took took him back into the house. Uh Saturday the same thing happened. uh took the dogs out and the same dog was off leash pitbull and um of course we

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heard horror stories about what goes on and I'm not labeling the dog as as being all nasty but um what when I came back in with the dogs my wife had gone out to take a picture for the HOA and the uh

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owner male came out again walked the dog before we were even done toward our dogs instead of in the other direction. He was very loud and arrogant. I had to call the police and the police informed me that if you could have the dog off leash if it's under voice control. How

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the heck are you supposed to know that a dog is under voice control? So, I loo I did a little research online, looked up the Jupiter, Florida animal ordinance dog leash laws, and one of the summaries said Jupiter requires all dogs on public property to be leashed with a maximum

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6ft leash under PBC ordinance 98-22. And then I looked under um the mu uh munic MUN code codification and under section 533 says that you can't have it under

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voice control. So I called co code compliance and dean got back to me today and she said yes the county is much more strict. Uh Jupiter can be less strict but can't be more strict and the dogs can be off leash on in Jupiter according

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to the Jupiter ordinance that we presently have if it's under voice control. We are not in line with the county code. So I am proposing that we before anything drastic happens and we have to call fire and rescue because

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somebody is seriously injured, please amend our dog leash law so that all dogs have to be leashed when they're walking in in Jupiter. I would really appreciate that. Thank you. >> Our next speaker is Linda McDermott

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followed by Heath Wentz and Nick Gaffiti. Please, if you've have your name called, approach one of the podiums and be prepared to speak. >> Good evening. Linda McDermott, 107 Chadwick Drive. I also wanted to commend uh the captain and the chief of the fire. Um it is really remarkable when

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they go over to Venezuela. It is the best training that they can get. I am so pleased that our fire department has that. Many of you know that I oppose the fire, but I see such greatness in the command staff and um I'm extremely proud

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of them. Uh and just a reminder that FEMA pays every bit of the dollars that are spent for them to go there and their training is immeasurable that they give to now our new staff. So I think it's important to have enough budget for

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training for police and fire to do the same kind of exercises because if we should have a hurricane, knock on wood, not this year anyway, um that's immeasurable experience. So I'm really pleased. On the other hand, for the

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state, I'm saying no to the property tax uh bill because uh government just cannot stand that big of a reduction and I believe the state's taken away from the home rule. We are very different

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than some northern uh counties are. What we can sustain in reductions, others cannot. It is not fair to say as a whole that the state can make these kind of reductions. All they had to do is go back to roll back. We did it years ago

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in recession. I was part of that cuz I worked for government. There are ways to do it. They did not think it through. I urge people to say no. Vote no. Thank you. >> Our next speaker is Heath Wentz followed

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by Nick Scaffiti and Steve Masano. Thank you. Heath WZ 1114 Sue Street. Uh mayor, vice mayor, council members, Mr. Kithro, uh I came before the town council on February 17th representing Jones Creek Restoration Group. As

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council members may be aware, there have been some questions among property owners as to the extent of mangrove trimming which has been performed over the first bianial uh trimming event in 2024 and 2026. In February, uh I noted that as a

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condition for substantial completion, the general terms and conditions required that final asbuilt drawings be submitted certified by a professional land surveyor. While I appreciate the town's willingness to conduct a drone survey to determine the level of completion, the survey baseline did not

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match up with the project baseline, and as a result, percentage completion could not be determined as I hoped uh uh it could provide to ease the concerns of my neighbors. As part of the project cost, each property owner had a horizontal

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control point set in our backyards from which the contractor or surveyor could objectively measure and establish the limits of trimming. While we understand the town feels that the work has been done, many note that the creek has not been trimmed to the extent permitted and

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contracted for which we are now paying the maintenance of through a nonadvalorm assessment. We understand that the town's arborist made calls not to trim certain mangrove prop roots and not to fully open the canopy to the 30-foot width prescribed by the contract

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documents. As a result, some of my neighbors feel they're not getting the value from the project for the tax dollars being paid. So my question was, has town staff relieved the contractor of this contractual obligation? If so,

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when and by whom? At this point, I'm not sure that it matters. Uh, I've volunteered to meet with the contractor, engineering, and the town's arborist at least half a dozen times over the last three years. Personally, I was never given a voice in the matter or a seat at

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the table when judgment calls needed to be made. So, I have difficulty in explaining to my neighbors what happened. Based on LRD data, fecal and deform fecal indicator bacteria levels initially showed improvement. However,

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over the last year, bacteria levels have persisted at 3 to 30 times higher than would trigger a beach closure. Thus, the signs remain posted at the Kousa Hatche Bridge and the foot bridge in and out of our neighborhood. So, while we are

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incredibly grateful for the town's assisting in developing and executing this project, I must ask the question, where do we go from here? Is there a way forward in which we can work together to improve the bacteria levels to a point

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where the poor water quality advisory signs would no longer be required by the health department? Thank you. Our next speaker is Nick Scafiti, followed by Steveo. Good evening, council. Uh Nick Scapiti,

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691 Pony Street. Also on the Jones Creek topic. I sat here over two years ago uh voicing my concern that a project like this wouldn't work and that we were taxed really without a say. We've said you

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have to pay the tax. So here we are. We've paid the tax. The job wasn't done. Simply all I want to say tonight is stop taxing me. Give me my money back. Do something. Let's get this job done and done right. Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Steve Masano, followed by Rosemary Keller and Eric Ellison. >> Good evening, council. My name is Steve Masano. I've lived at 10005 Sous Street since 1981, and I've seen a lot of good things

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and a lot of bad things. Reference to tree trimming. Um, my first questions would be, is Jones Creek a natural waterway or a man-made waterway? Just because somebody digs dirt out of the middle of a creek and makes the level of the land higher so

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they can build homes doesn't turn it into a man-made creek. It's still a natural waterway. Back before the Jupiter River States was developed, it flowed through the land. Indians used to come up with canoes, old-timers tell me. But my concern is

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over the past 45 years, we would mandated to hook up the city sewers because our septic systems were polluting the creek. that cost us 25 grand. And 30 years later, the the creek's more polluted now than it was back then. We all know that it's the

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rotten vegetation under the on the on the bed of the creek from millions of mangrove trees dropping billions of leaves and rotting on the bottom. We all know that. My concern is when this project came up, we were asked

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to vote and if they got 60%, they would go on with the project. Well, myself and my six neighbors at the end of Sous Street, we weren't even afforded to vote. We said, "Don't worry about it. You're on a natural part of the creek. You're not going to be involved." Well,

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wasn't the case when I got my tax bill. Um, the way the people of Jones Creek, the property owners are are taxed, is so unfair. I've been maintaining my mangroves per EPA regulations for 45 years. If they're

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20 ft or higher, you can't cut them down, but you can make windows. If they're below 20 feet, you can cut them down to six feet above the mud, which is what I've been doing. So, when I sit there on my dock and I watch the tree trimmers go by, they wave and they go right by my house and they trim everybody else's stuff. But yet, I'm

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being charged $6,000 over 10 years to trim the mangroves. They haven't touched any of my mangroves, but I'm paying six grand. Come on. The fair way to have done this would have get would have gotten the the supervisor from Jupiter and the

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supervisor from Shamrock Trees to get in their boat, go down the creek, and give each individual property owner an estimate of what it's going to cost to trim the mangroves on their now private property. Since Jupiter has given us all ownership to the middle of the creek,

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all the mangroves are on private property now except Jupiter own property like Todd Street Preserve. So that's my only concern. Every property owner should get their own bill for trimming their own mangroves on their own private

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property, not go by 107 ft of of of uh creek front that I have in my backyard. I'm being charged because I have 107 ft, but yet I don't need any tree trimming. And I think that's very unfair.

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So that's all I have to say. and I hope you guys look into it. Thank you. >> Our next speaker is Rosemary Keller, followed by Eric Ellison. >> Hi. >> Well, we've lived on the creek since

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1977. And when my kids were little, they used to swim in there and have a wonderful time. And it's really sad to see a waterway in Jupiter go downhill the way the creek has gone downhill. It gets a lot of I mean drainage from the around the creek but also surrounding

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areas drain into the creek and that's a lot of the sediment that's ended up in the creek and it really doesn't need dredged but as far as trimming we had all paid taxes to have the creek trimmed and it

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wasn't trimmed the way it was supposed to be trimmed. It was lightly trimmed instead of what we were told they would do. So, and we were told that was signed off on by the

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town. So, I don't know what to say. I just mainly came to say give some support. We used to have manes back there and otter. And when we did have a dredge, there were so many fish back there. I mean, you would just hit them

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every couple minutes. you would hear the fish hitting and it's just that. Next speaker is Eric Ellison. >> This works. Hello. Um, my name is Eric Ellis. I live at 220 Colony Way on the Jones Creek. Um, I've

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lived in Jupiter 62 years and I've lived on Jones Creek for 20 and I'm in agreement with the creek was not trimmed based on the

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proposal that was made. The the it just wasn't done. um my house when they came by to do the other trimming. I mean, they just went right by my house again. They don't, you know, I got no trimming at all on the

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second go around. But more importantly, I think is Jones Creek is uh if you look, we don't I don't have to convince you how bad Jones Creek is. If you look at the Jupiter Inlet District website or the Lockxahhatche Environmental Control

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website, they both state that the problem is is the leaf and the muck and everything on the bottom of the creek. Um, when I first moved here, there's portions of Jones Creek that was sand bottom just like the beach. Now it's a

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foot and a half of muck. So, the only solution is to dredge it. I mean, you can trim back the trees to where they were supposed to be trimmed, but it's still not going to fix the creek. The only thing that's going to fix it is dredging so it can naturally flow in and out. And I just think what's

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being missed here is the importance of Jones Creek being a major tributary of the Lockahhatchee River that's supposedly wild and scenic and and our beautiful blue Jupiter inlet water. I mean, this thing is it's never going to

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get better, just going to get worse, which is going to feed into the Lockxahhatche River, which is going to feed into the Jupiter Inlet. And not to mention, u it's a tributary for all the fish. When I first moved there 20 years ago, you go

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down to my dock and there's like thousands of little minnow. And you could tell by looking at them, there are all different species that end up going into the locks of Hatchee, then out to the reefs where people catch them. But now, you go behind my house and look off a dock, you're lucky to see a few

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minnows. So, it's just a shame. And like I said, I'm not an expert on how to get it done, but somehow someway they need to get the funding to dredge Jones Creek or it's going to be one of those deals

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where you pay me now or pay me later because it's not going to get any better. Thank you, >> Mayor. That was our last speaker. We do have three individuals that did not wish to speak. Len Bernie, Dave and Julie Love, and Elizabeth Tilly who um

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provided written comment for Jones Creek. >> Thank you. Um, and u, I know what I said about normally we don't discuss it and we're not, but I just want to recognize I appreciate residents coming out and uh, voicing your concerns

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and um, we were council is and we have been copied on some recent correspondence about this and um, I think all of us were waiting to understand the outcome of that uh, those requests that had been passed on. So, we

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we've heard them tonight. Um, you know, staff will be getting back and, you know, as I had indicated and we'll be responding and then we'll be uh report comes to us and we'll be able to have some conversation about it. But

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just want to say uh that um as a reminder, you know, there was nobody I thought Lock Hatche River District I know I myself went to the board asking if they would contribute once upon a time they would have

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contributed something like this. We made the decision uh to do the original um trimming u using count of Jupiter funds. We couldn't get anybody else to contribute.

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I just want to make sure for the record everybody rem remembers that and the fee that is being charged was uh to maintain it if you will. Um my recollection, but it can be wrong. we're probably at the

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end of that contract anyway and it's time to kind of consider, you know, what would be a logical next step on that. Um, so again, I'm going to just ask that that's something our town manager will have our staff look at, get back to us

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as a council, and we can discuss it when we're better informed. And mayor, if I may just quickly, um I typically give my comments to my responses, if any, to public comment at the end of the evening and council comments because we don't typically comment on this um at the time

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of public comment. But I will say it's bianual just for um the benefit of everyone here. It was going to be every year and it was made by annual and it really was an organic development of this community. We've been so grateful at how organized the community is, how

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proactive they've been. They came to us, I remember the vote for it, um, wanting to get this done and so we did make it by annual. And there is a lot of flexibility and it really is something that we can work with, you know, with the residents. So, we hear you um and

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we'll look closely. >> So, thank you. Uh we're going to move on to the regular agenda and um I uh make sure residents that came to speak on that top topment feel welcome to leave or to continue to stay. Uh moving on to the minutes council, we have before us

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the minutes of the July 7th meeting. Uh I don't see any revisions on the dis. If there are none, I'll take a motion and a second to approve the minutes as presented. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Motion a second. All in favor signify by saying I.

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>> I. I motion carries unanimously. Um moving on to consent agenda. Was any member of the public that would wish to pull a consent agenda item? >> No sir. >> Any member of the dis? Seeing none, there is one uh quasi

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judicial item number six. Uh does council have any exparte disclosures? I have none. >> I spoke with staff. >> None. >> No disclosures. I'll take a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda. >> So moved.

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>> Second. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. All in favor signify by saying I. I. >> And I'm sorry. I need to get uh the town attorney to uh read two ordinances on uh for the record. Ordinance 2926, an

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ordinance of the town of Jupiter, Florida, creating article 9 of chapter 24 of the town of Jupiter code of ordinances entitled fire rescue impact fee providing for the imposition of an impact fee beginning October 1, 2026 on

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land development that town of Jupiter to provide for the funding of capital expenditures associated with the construction or improvements of public facilities and fire department and emergency medical services vehicles. necessitated by new development. Providing for intent and purposes

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authorized by one section 16331801 Florida statutes. Providing for computation of the amount of fire services impact fees. Providing for the payment of fire services impact fee as the prerequisite for issuance of a building permit. Providing for the

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periodic review and adjustment of the impact fee. Providing methods for payment of the fee. Providing for the placement of revenue collected from fire rescue impact fees into a fire rescue impact fee trust fund established for that purpose. Providing for the limitation of the expenditure of funds

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from the fire services trust funds to certain capital costs. Providing for exemptions and credits. Providing for refund of unexpended fire rescue impact fees. Providing for codification. Providing for the repeal of laws in conflict. Providing for severability.

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providing an effective date. Ordinance number 3426, an ordinance of the town council of the town of Jupiter, Florida, approving an amendment to the Bears Club planned unit development authorizing the conversion of a portion of common area track B to facilitate the

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widening of Bears Club Drive and the development of a maintenance area, providing for waiverss regarding setbacks, and providing for an effective date. We have a motion, a second. All in favor signify by saying I. I. The motion

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carries unanimously. Moving on to the regular agenda item 12 resolution 7226. This is quasi judicial. I'd ask uh if there's any declarations of expporte communications.

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And with that, I will say in reminder that uh we're supposed to both indicate who we may have spoken with and the substance of that communication. And I went ahead today and spoke with uh

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uh our engineering director, George Asma, uh CJ Lane, our traffic engineer, and Doug Kenny, our uh town engineer. And the subject had to do with the traffic impacts from this project and the perspective uh you know solutions uh

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that uh were being proposed for our consideration. Any other experte disclosures? >> No. >> Yes. I spoke with planning and zoning staff um about the elevations and materials used um about the planning and

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zoning conditions and about the traffic solutions um and concerns there. Um I also drove by the site >> and I visited the site and that was it. the um

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I'd ask for uh those that uh both from staff and the representatives, the applicant, uh any parties that would be given uh public uh testimony to stand and be sworn in by our town clerk.

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>> Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about to give in this hearing is the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Okay, I turn it over to the applicant uh to present its application. Um,

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reminder, this is limited to 15 minutes and you can reserve time uh for closing argument or rebuttal if there's any left. over here somewhere. We have a stick if you want a power. What's the

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>> Thank you. Thank you. >> Hi. Thank you. Good evening. Ken Tumo with Urban Design Studio. My address is 610 Clomata Street, West Palm Beach. I've been sworn in this evening here tonight on behalf of Ram, who is the the

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owner of the shops at Jupiter. The item in front of you this evening is a significant change to the center. The center, which was established in late 1978 and and stayed pretty much the same through 1991. And many of you may recall who've been around town for a while

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recognize that where the Bells is today. It actually was a Publix up until 1991. Well, the item in front of you this evening is to convert that Bells back into a grocery store. That grocery store is Whole Foods. also as a secondary part

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of that there is we are modifying the architecture for the entire center with the exception of the area within the movie theater and north of that. So I'm going to walk you through a quick presentation. I'm going to tell you a little bit about our client. I have one condition of approval that I'd like to discuss with you afterwards and I'd also

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like to reserve time after public comment for any rebuttal. So the subject site is owned by Ram. Mam owns about uh 14,000 apartments and 10 million square ft across the country. They purchased this center back in the fall. The last

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time that there's been a major update to this center was 2004, 22 years ago. So, this is going to be a good upgrade for the subject site. Ram is located in west, excuse me, Ram is located 3 miles down the road in Palm Beach Gardens in their site which is called uh the

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Borland Center or the Borland Center. So, the subject site, which you're you're familiar with, the location is located at the northeast corner of Indiantown Road and US Highway 1. Again, it's been established for many, many years. We did have community outreach with our neighbors to the east, which is

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O Ocean Parks Condominium. We met with their board of directors, and we also held a community outreach meeting with their entire community this past week. I know that you have received a letter of a comment from a resident. I will address that during this uh presentation.

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So, the items in front of you, there are four. They're on the screen in front of you, but primarily architectural changes, an additional of a,44 square ft loading dock, uh, the rearrangement of some parking and some cart corrals, and then also a change from indoor fitness

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to general retail. The big change is we're actually adding nine whole square feet to the center, which is an enclosure of what is a staple entry. So this is the existing architecture that sits out there today. In fact, in 1991, there was actually a development order

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amendment to make this arch here from what was at that point flat across the front. So the proposal is to bring it into a little bit more contemporary with some themes here with what is being proposed is the Whole Foods. Starting on the right hand side of the screen, you

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will note that this is the that these are cover areas over uh pickup areas for uh drop off shopping. And then you'll notice the twostory uh store glass and this bronze architecture and then these metal uh uh uh coverings. And interesting enough,

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there's nothing really being changed except this roof line is really going away and these metal awnings and this double story of storefront is being added. So this is just a little more view of the colors being uh projected. You'll note that there are some stack

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stone here along the bottom left hand side that goes along the frontage. The entire center is getting upgraded with these storefront centers to the movie theater. And so why does it stop at the movie theater? The reason why it stops at the movie theater is because our client, the owner of the movie theater

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still has lease controls over that. We are currently and continuing to work with the movie theater. our client can address those specific items. However, we've agreed to a condition of approval that if they if the movie theater doesn't come in for renovations prior to January 1st, 2029, we will go ahead and

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paint those uh paint the rest of the building. At this point in time, though, they do not have control over that to make any changes. Request number two is an addition of a loading dock in the back of what is the Bell store. It's exists today. It's not formalized. It's not hidden. It's out in the open. So,

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this is the proposed loading dock. There'll be a covered area. This red line indicates a 12t high wall that's being constructed to to uh allow or to not allow the neighbors to be able to see what's being proposed there. Here on the screen in front of you, starting on

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the right hand side behind the future Whole Foods, this is an additional 12t high wall that will block that loading dock area. You'll note the addition of landscaping along the base of that wall. We're including trelluses with vines along the back of the building. And also

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importantly, we're having dumpster enclosures added to the entire site. Today, there aren't any dumpster enclosures on the dumpster enclosure for our neighbors, but I want to make sure everybody hears this. The dumpster for Whole Foods is on the furthest south part of the site, as far away from the

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condominiums they can be, and it is not a dumpster. It is a compactor and a sealed compactor. And that's how the Whole Foods handles those situations. So this is the other dumpsters on the left hand side of the screen is exactly what's out there today. Uh luckily RAM

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is taking control of this bringing it up to today's code and also adding dumpster enclosures throughout the site. So everything will be enclosed moving through the project. Um so a couple quick things that are changing. Request number three curbside dropoff place here on the south side on

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the east side of Whole Foods. We've added cart corrals uh throughout the site. I'm not sure if I mentioned them. More important still are that total wine is coming which will be replacing the staple site. And this is the proposed condition for the cart corells. You'll notice the

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protocrus hiding it internally in the site and then a significant amount of trees around the uh cart corrals. And then here on the screen in front of you are the curbside pickups, the Alexander palms and the existing palms. We're going to be adding some trails features

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to create this look along the south side or excuse me along Indiantown Road today which is absolutely bare. Uh we are requesting to modify one use indoor fitness the general retail and a request to enclose a small space here that's about nine additional square

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feet. Um there are other improvements happening on the site. So a lot of changes first thing on the mangroves. They have entered into exotic management plan. They are working on cleaning that mangrove area up. Also, from a storm water standpoint, when Ram purchased the

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property, and I know many of you have been in that property, note that they drained the water areas and the parking lots are always full of water. Well, guess why? The lines were clogged up. So, uh, Ram has effectially cleaned that area. And then our civil engineer who is in the audience, we are going to be

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adding a filter. So, the water that gets discharged into that mangrove area, today it is just discharged without filtration. We will be adding a filtration system to that. Also identified in red ovals are areas of landscape improvements to keep the to

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keep everything moving. I'm not going to dive in that in detail, but the areas and ovals have additional landscaping along our back. And for our neighbors, if there are neighbors here, this was an important item for them. For those of you who've been to the center, you know that in the rear access of Ocean Park

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and this facility, there is a wall that separates the two. The driveway on the right hand side goes to Ocean Park. It's their exit. And then this is the rear of the uh which will be the future Whole Good Who Whole Foods. There's an existing wall there today. That wall has no landscaping on it. We are going to be

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planning on the east side a protoarpus hedge. So meaning that along the ocean park driveway, they will have a hedge in there. And then on the left side, we are going to be adding landscaping where we can. You'll note that there's a significant power line here. And that power line obviously limits what we can

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plant in that area. So identified on the screener, the area we'll be adding some Simpson stopper trees and a cocoa palm hedge. And then here's that power line that impacts it. The letter that you received in the mail or in the email today was about the access of the wall

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in the back. And for those of you when you drive out of that site, you will note that there is a wall and there are two stop signs. that stop sign. One stop sign is on one side of the wall and one stop sign is on the other side of the wall and they're back. And your staff

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made a good suggestion to us because when you have two stop signs that are behind a wall, you can't look over and see who is coming the other way. So your staff made a good suggestion and we agreed to it. We are removing approximately 20 to 32 feet of wall

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depending on the on the final design of it and that will be removed and that way you'll have a condition where you'll be able to have a safe stop area where you'll be able to see who's coming and who's going on the site.

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So in conclusion, I do want to come back and bring one uh condition of approval up. Uh but your PL your planning and zoning board recommended approval, your staff's recommended approval, and we have met all the criteria. I recognize there is one condition of approval. That

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condition of approval is number three. Your during the planning and zoning board, they made a comment. One of the board members made a comment and that in that comment was there's not enough coverage in for one of the tenants spaces in the internal courtyard area.

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That comment and then your staff did exactly what your staff was supposed to do. They added a they added a condition of approval that said we shall install uh shade covering trelluses or whatever may occur in that area. And our position

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on that is yes there is an existing tenant there today. We want the flexibility in that area. We don't want to create a structure that is a permanent structure, but we want to create allow for flexibility in the future. We don't think that condition fits in there because we don't know what that tenants's going to do now or when

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their lease is up. We want to have that flexibility for the future. And with that, I'll conclude my presentation. We have our whole team assembled, including our transportation engineer. I suspect there may be a few questions. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh moving to staff.

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Good evening, council. For the record, Jenna Johnston with planning and zoning. Um, as stated, the application for consideration tonight is a site plan amendment for shops at Jupiter to revise their architectural elevations, add an enclosed loading dock, reconfigure a

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portion of the parking lot, and modify their uses. The proposed application requires review through the public hearing process. one due to the significant increase in traffic resulting from the addition of a supermarket use um as well as the change

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to the architectural elevations. Staff reviewed the applicant's request and determined the proposed is consistent with the comprehensive plan and the town code subject to the conditions of approval included in resolution 7226. The subject property was originally

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approved before the Indian Town Road Overlay Zoning District, which has resulted in existing legal nonconformities. Due to the scale of redevelopment proposed as part of this application, it is eligible for the incentives for redevelopment section of the town code and is not required to

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bring the entire site up to today's code requirements, but it is required to bring the site closer to conformance, which the applicant has made efforts to do. Staff has included conditions to further bring the property conformance, including revising the landscape plan

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for additional perimeter plantings, removal of exotic vegetation within the mangrove area, and storm water improvements based on planning and zoning commission recommendations. Additional conditions have been included to require monitoring and maintenance of the mangrove area, replacement of

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existing dead and dying landscaping, and the addition of the covering for um one of the outdoor seating areas. As discussed in the staff report, there have been access concerns identified primarily at the southeast entrance into the plaza, which is an access point

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anticipated to see greater uh use with the addition of the supermarket. To address this concern, the town's traffic engineer has drafted a sketch concept of an elongated roundabout, which has been included as attachment D. The elongated roundabout is intended to create safer

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access to the subject property as well as the plaza to the south. To accommodate this design, staff has included conditions for necessary construction and utility easements. The applicant has proposed a financial contribution to support the future completion of this improvement that is

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based on their volume of traffic and this monetary contribution has also been included as a condition for town council consideration. Uh with that I will conclude my presentation. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh with that um

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I turn to council uh for any questions of uh staff for the applicant. Uh I'll start at my left. Councelor Gisinger. >> Yeah, I have a few questions. Uh the applicant uh noted that regarding community outreach that you did reach

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out to Ocean Parks. I assume their PA. What was the result of that outreach? >> Sure. We we we actually had a good time at the meeting. I had a lot of new friends there. It was interesting. They So, we spent a lot of time going through the project. Their big focus was one,

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the removal of this wall, two, how trash was how trash was going to be handled, and three, if there were going to be any light shined within their area. I will tell you the general consensus, as you can see, I don't think there's many people in the audience from there. We did a good job. We answered all their questions and I thought they I thought

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we left that meeting in a position was very Now that meeting was July 7th so we did not get a letter of approval from them but we did have a very good meeting with them and I think they if they were here the majority of the residents would say they were in support of the project. They particularly like the total wine.

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>> All right. Thank you. Uh go ahead and stay there. I got a couple more questions. >> Yes sir. Of course. >> Regarding the loading dock area. >> Yes sir. Will that be a slope dock going down? So, the tree trucks come in level then with the first floor Whole Foods or >> It does level. It It is a high dock and

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it does go down, but I don't know how far it goes down, but it is a high dock. >> Okay. >> Meaning the truck backs into the dock is approximately this high. >> Okay. So, the loading area itself is level that you don't have any type of downward grading to get to the uh

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>> our civil engineer just confirmed. I just want to double check the answer is yes, it is level. >> It is level. Okay. So have a raised dock at the end that you offload. Will that backside of that load dock also be continuous with that 12 foot wall? >> It is it's it's 12 feet, but actually

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where the unloading occurs is enclosed 100% with a roof structure. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Uh loading dock entry will I assume these are semis coming in for Whole Foods. Uh will semi trucks be permitted to enter the plaza

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via the alleyway? or will they be required to go all the way around alternate A1 way come east on any west on any town road then turn right into it? I >> I understand the question and I know where this is headed so I'm going to ask Mr. Kerr to get up because he could do a much better job at explaining it than I can.

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>> Okay. >> Good evening. Adam Ker with Kimley Horn Associates. The trucks would come in from the east on Indian Town and then enter that sort of that back driveway. >> So make a right turn. >> Make a right turn. Yes. How's that going to be enforced? >> Uh >> cuz we can't enforce people turning left

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in there right now. So, >> right. You usually it's through the um through the management uh working with the vendors and working with the deliveries to establish that plan with them. Um they're certainly, you know, certainly are still not allowed to make the left turns in there. So, they would

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be restricted to to all the the rules and regulations as well. >> And it is is in it is in their lease. >> Okay. So, right now there is no restriction for a left turn in there. There's a restriction for a U-turn to go back, but not a left turn because there was a restriction there. You couldn't

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get access to the back of the alley, nor could you get access to the apartments. I mean, the Ocean Park condominiums back there. So, >> right. So, so it'll be written into the lease. >> It is. All right. >> It's in the lease. >> Okay. And I assume when trucks leave,

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they'll go all around the perimeter of the uh plaza and exit out through US1. >> Correct. They could access the traffic signal at US1. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. I was concerned why reason for my question was a semi sitting there waiting to turn left would be a lot of congestion

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backing up a lot of traffic there. So Okay. Um I think any more questions? I have a couple questions of staff now. Thank you. Relative to the $96,000 contribution, how will this contribution

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from the applicant be, I guess, uh, bookkeep and earmarked for these improvements? Do we have a how do we capture that money and where do we fund it or capture the funds? >> Stephanie Thburn, assistant director, planning and zoning. um they're

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earmarked in an escrow account specific to the usage for the project. >> Is is there any timeline on when that funds have to be used >> for return? >> We if there's a condition of approval to limit the time. Yes. >> Mhm.

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>> Right now there is no condition as far as limit >> correct. >> Okay. And we do have, for example, we've collected monies through contributions, through development approvals throughout the years for undergrounding utilities,

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and we still have that money um to to do that work at some time in the future when we have a project. And regarding the um the conceptual roundabout that was provided in the package that our I assume our town engineering did that. Do

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we have an a guesstimate what the cost of that roundabout might be? >> I'll let >> I'm looking at perspective relative to the $96,000. >> I'll let engineering answer that question. Yeah, we worked with uh with your traffic engineer on that and the

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estimate was around $1 million for the $1 million for the construction and then an additional $200,000 for uh the design component as well and permitting. >> All right. Um, and one last question to

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staff. Um, regarding the, uh, my big issue is traffic in that area and how do we mitigate the access to the plaza off of East Indiantown Road. I read where that u

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um that the property itself is located within the CRA and that access concerns off any town road could be a potential CRA project. Is there any limitations as far as going forward with a CR CRA project for this?

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>> It is >> only looking for direction from the CRA commission. >> Yes. So, the town council sitting as the CRA can provide that direction to staff. Um, we're upcoming on our uh budgets on that. So, it's based on your priorities and we'll be happy to move forward with

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whatever our direction is. Well, I would support that the council uh take this forward as a CRA project just to get it moving that we can always worry about the cost later on, but I think at this point I support pursuing this remedy to improve public safety and

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ease of access to the plaza. So, and with that, uh that's all the questions I have. Thank you, >> Counc. >> Thank you. Do you have a question for the applicant first and then staff on elevations? Um, from the resident's perspective,

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uh, there's a Whole Foods in Palm Beach Gardens not far from here and, you know, it has a very distinct look. That shopping center has a look. Um, this is very different from that. Can you go over kind of what your process was for deciding on these elevations and color palette specifically?

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>> Yeah. So, first thing I'm going to ask Mr. Weber, our architect, to come up and give a little bit more define on the architectural style, Bob. But the the short the let me back to some pictures here, though. So, the contemporary look and the clean look was the design concept to allow for the double story of

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storefront and then also for the metal and then the canopy. So, the concept was to create a bit more modern look and I'll let Mr. Weber identify from there. Bob Weber, MWA Architecture, 1701 West

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Hillsboro Boulevard, Deerfield Beach. So the intent was to create a a more contemporary uh look to u uh enhance the uh the image of the Whole Foods as a

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contemporary and uh modern uh groceryer and to provide um invigorate the center as far as the existing tenants and carry that theme throughout the rest of the center. We're using metal canopies, a

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white u u pallet and a a gray and neutral color palette for the balance of the center. >> Thank you. And staff, if do we have a sample of the materials for this?

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They're typically provided by the And could someone just hold that up so we can see it? It's hard on paper. I'm losing my voice. Sorry. But thank you. Sorry about that. >> Thank you.

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Yeah, maybe we can pass it around. >> Thank you. >> And then one of the questions we saw, and I'm losing my voice in real time here, but um was regarding the portion of the wall that would be removed for visibility, which I completely understand for safety. Um there was a

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suggestion at one point of um lowering the wall having maybe two feet of height so it's not the full height but it kind of creates some separation. I just want to kind of understand the perspective there and if that's an option.

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>> So so there there there are specific engineering criteria. I know the town engineer is here, but typically a line of sight is 36 in from a vehicle. And if that if that's acceptable with staff, I know it's acceptable with our client. I just want to make sure that that is something that we could do. I would

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suggest, however, that you we do remove a component of it and not cut the whole thing down. I don't know what that exact number is, but I think you want to back it up some so there's a complete clear line of sight and then maybe cut it down for the other portion of it. And we can work with the town engineer on that.

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>> Okay. Thank you for ma'am for that. >> Um >> okay and you had mentioned that um there was some you had wanted flexibility regarding the shade but you are just to confirm okay with the restoration plan

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condition put in place by planning and zoning. >> Yes, we are in in agreement of all conditions except condition number three. >> Okay. um on traffic and this might sound a bit out there but

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um you know we recognize that we need to do work on our side and I agree on the CRA project um and that's exactly what I asked staff and discussed with staff earlier today but you know I think there's a lot of uh you've made you've

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made you've become a discussion in town uh you've gotten some notice and you've been in the press and I think there's a out of um wondering you know what kind of timeline or what to expect with this center as a whole and we understand that you're looking you know the movie

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theater may be making changes you had spoken to that during P&Z um you know just trying to understand the timeline of you know bringing in future tenants you know named or unnamed just to understand what type of traffic impacts because it doesn't end here right it's

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there are future changes and what that's going to look like and what we might be ble to expect so that we can get our house in order here. Can you speak to that at all? >> So, our my cl our client is in is in the audience. I'm going to ask him to come up and talk about the future plans, but what I can tell you is as of today,

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there are no plan changes to the movie theater. They're just there isn't it's under lease um and it's under has a long term left in it. I do know they're negotiating but at the end of the day that's still under control of of the movie theater group in and

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>> I don't mean to give that impression in case I did I the conversation during PNZ was just reducing the number of seats with as related to shared parking so no the theater's here to stay understood um but just you know take a big picture at this and what what we can expect over

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time and what that timeline is is it 10 years is it three years so that we can understand the traffic impacts that's going to have on this part of town. And you know, >> I'm gonna ask Mr. Maloney to get up and kind of talk about his vision for the center and what Ram's vision for the future is. >> Thank you. >> Yep.

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>> Oh, there he is. >> I I mean, the short response would be um Total Wine is uh we expect to open late 2027. And um there's a a couple of small shop

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tenants that would open um at the time they open. And and then Whole Foods we expect to open, call it spring of 2028. And um there will be a few other tenants that that open, smaller tenants, small

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shop tenants um that open between call it mid 27 to to mid 28. Um, but but as far as like the the u those anchor tenants, that's the kind of the timeline. Um, and then I I I think we'll

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work something out with the theater and I think that that um our intention is to downsize the theater because the um they're really, you know, large theater, a little bit oversized, have, you know, more more uh seats than

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they need and um to retenant the remainder of that box. And that's probably um you know we're not there yet but that would be probably late 2028 would be a you know the intensity of

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user would would go down um not up I mean based you know based on the parking code. Thank you for thank you for offering that because I think just understanding the uses or some of the vision can help us understand the intensity and um

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number of tenants timeline intensity. So thank you for that. Um staff question for staff. Um, so it's my understanding that because of these traffic impacts that triggered a review, uh, that to

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remedy them, the applicant has offered a payment and that this has been put together using a methodology by the traffic engineer. Is that correct? It wasn't required, it was offered or what's the mechanism by which like how

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do we look at um our businesses in this area contributing to traffic impacts and solutions like the one presented in attachment D. going forward. >> Um

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there are uh in principle there are some u methodology needs to be determined. Um uh the the most common one is according to the statute there's a uh traffic concurrency

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um u massage to determine the so-called fair share price um proportion. Um however in this case here the roadway is not failing uh even though uh as of

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today's uh traffic conditions uh the the the size three traffic coming from both um shopping center has the substantial delay is uh will be rated uh level service F but as the combination of the

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overall uh uh performance in terms of the delay Hey, after you balance out the east and west uh uh traffic uh performance on the Indian town road, the delay measures the the average delay

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measures is actually acceptable because side street delay even the the uh delay per vehicle is high but the side street uh traffic volume is low. So when you combine the delay measurement all

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together the intersection is operate at acceptable level service. So the methodology we adopt for to assess the uh the uh uh price share here is based on the the traffic impact coming from

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this particular the net traffic impact coming from this particular development divided by the overall uh the traffic enter into the uh future uh uh the uh traffic control

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mitigations. So is the x number of the uh trip increases due to the whole food divided by the projected overall uh entering uh vehicles uh entering traffic into this

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proposed uh median uh mitigations. >> Okay. And um you know if the southern um strip mall were to do major renovations would they contribute in a similar way

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and if this center I mean these are anchor tenants we're talking about now but um and we did hear that intensity may actually drop but depending on future changes to this center would there be additional payments as traffic

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is added? to the center. >> Um if the if the mitigation was not built constructed and there's additional um tenant add into we can potentially also ask for the contribution based on the

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similar methodologies uh and and escrow money for the futures uh uh construction. Yes, that can be do and and all of this can be additive is all the uh contribution from the future tenants will be considered additive to

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the uh to the whole uh the the uh part of the uh the uh the money that can pay towards the future design and the constructions. >> Okay. And so we saw a few different remedies proposed. one was the elongated

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circle that you had an attachment D um which does can I confirm that doesn't require right of way from the center okay so um but there are two additional options two different roundabouts one the applicant is not okay with um where

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it would enter their property I saw a couple of different exits and then um another roundabout that would not um but it would push traffic potentially to the southern property is the thought that it would make the most sense to start with

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the elongated and then graduate as traffic grows to a roundabout or what what's the traffic solution vision for this area as traffic increases or what plans are being discussed at staff

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level um around that? >> Um yes that uh is excellent questions. So originally we proposed the regular roundabout. Actually the d

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uh dual dual lane roundabout that that would uh as you can see also from the conceptual plan the original proposed roundabout was um extruding into the property on both the north side and south side. And the Rosa actually had an

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a reverse impact on their uh parking lot and um also make the the ingress outgress uh the the moving or navigating through that parking lot a little bit more difficult although it's not it's not invisible.

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Um so that that configuration to be honest with you is it has the uh best uh traffic operation performance. However uh given the uh the uh

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sacrifice on the right uh right away um the the imination of the parking lot. It was not consider considered both a feasible alternative after the uh applicant uh shifted the entire ball on

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the south. So um down south uh the one of the deficiency is you making the east uh uh westbound traffic at the much more the straight uh straighter movement and without need to negotiate the accurate

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uh uh entry uh angle into the roundabout. So it kind of defeat the purpose of the roundabout because of the higher speed uh of the westbound traffic is proposed to the uh enter into a roundabout. So it does it will impede it

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will impede the north and south uh the traffic um that has already inside the rotary completed their uh the uh traffic movements through the roundabout. So it it not only impede

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that but also will impose the some kind of traffic uh safe movement within the roundabout. So that is not that due to that uh deficiency that is not considered uh the the the the feasible

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alternative as well. That's why the third um option was proposed. I suppose that given the offset of the two uh uh driveway that is considered the the uh one of the best configuration for for uh

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the um uh real line that the north and south uh north and southbound uh uh traffic enter into the uh roundabout and then safely navigate through the roundabout area and and um

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safely making the northbound left turn and southbound left turn out of the area. However, however the uh off the the um the the offset from that is it it does

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increase the size delay if s but compared to the current level service f uh you need to stop for uh more than like um couple minutes it it actually

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reduces s delay down to uh a minute range. So unfortunately if uh the traffic operation efficiency is not comparable to the regular roundabout uh but the the is is a it's a

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compromise solution between the regular roundabout and the current uh um two-way uh uh stop control. >> Thank you for that detail because I know that I think Panzee did say we have to keep looking at this or studying it. We

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don't know if either one is feasible. So it is helpful to kind of understand that a little there. >> And finally allow me to add one thing. Those uh proposed uh the the session delay uh close to minutes that was the worst case scenario.

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Uh bad uh given you have in the a close proximity to the signalized intersection where the intersection was uh was was not in the right away and uh uh your

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proposed um gap for the side street to access into the elongated roundabout is actually uh that that that traffic need to be stopped for the signal lines the sanction nearby does

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create the higher number of the gap for the side street traffic to get access to it. So so in that situation if you average out the potential size delay will be less than what has been uh suggested in the in the conceptual

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drawing. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> And that's all I've got. Um, I've got some questions. Uh, some of which have already been answered. I may just kind of refer to them. Um,

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you know, this is one of the most complete packages of information. Kudos to the applicant, the applicant's uh consultants, our staff. Um, because it really had everything there for me to really understand it.

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Um, and it becomes more of a in a public hearing is this, it becomes more of just to pull out into the public record the points on which I'm really going to ponder and make my decision as one of five up here. Uh, but um, I appreciate

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in particular the uh, estimated COOD date for Whole Foods because that's a significant date because that's when the significant traffic impacts happen. Um again in this thorough package it I mean it refreshed my memory on a lot of

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things. So uh you know a decade ago I sat up here um and we were pondering about what could be done to improve access into and out of this site. And we didn't we didn't have a solution really that

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was a good one. And we left it at that. We we were going to do something but we didn't have a good solution. And so I'm kind of delighted that our staff never gave up even after the P&Z meeting came up with

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a plan that makes to me good sense. Um so I'm I'm grateful for that. Never giving up. Um, so, uh, I want to ask staff to just come up and I just to me for for brevity I'm going to just say some things and

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I'm going to ask this either be CJ or George to confirm that what I've said was correct on the record. Um so the first thing which you don't have to comment on but

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I'll share that you know I learned over two decades ago that a TPS approval from Palm Beach County never considers any ingress egress to the site because they they they said it's a site plan issue.

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When we were doing Publix and Chasewood, they didn't care about stacking distance or anything like that because it was an issue for the local government and most local government officials don't understand that. They think, gee, the county approved this. So, I'm just want to make sure that I'm emphasizing that.

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So, with that and going back and I go to the I've gone to the center quite a bit over the years. I've gone to Miss Bells. Um, I appreciate uh um that the ongoing improvements that you know have to be made in today's business environment.

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Uh but um so um I know well how to get in and out of that site if you're coming from from the west and you do what's not quite a fully legal left turn or a U-turn. I mean, that's what everybody does.

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At least I'm guilty of it. Um so CJ you know I look at the traffic numbers excellent job by the applicant in the there and uh so if we go from the the existing center to the proposed center and yeah it might have had a Publix but

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that was 20 30 you know four years ago. So what's been there for the last couple decades is what's uh existing and what's proposed is from an ADT. It's an increase of average daily traffic. It's

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a 46% increase. I just want to put in perspective what the 3575 means. It's 46% more than existed. AM peak uh it's 175 more. It's a 69% increase in peak.

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and uh in peak hour PM it's se 77% increase of what's there now. Um so that's a significant traffic increase. You know, you look at this and the most significant thing is the change of use. Quite frankly, I just don't want to, you

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know, you could be kind of lulled into believing there's not much of a change here, but the change of use is striving, you know, the 46% daily and 77% PM peak, which is a level of service F condition, which we can't I can't uh agree with and

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accept as as a comprehensive plan obligation. Um, and then all of this increased traffic generation by and large is created by Whole Foods, which is at the southeast section of the shops at Jupiter Center. And so I think the

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increase in the percentage of traffic to from Indian Town Road, um, it's really going to be more than it's estimated here. Um, so you know, I was at the position and I'm and I follow these things when

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they get to P&Z and whatever, um, and how they react and they they help in the process. And, uh, I was at the position that I would never approve this change without solving this much of a increased traffic impact when I really

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think we have unsafe conditions now. So that's why I was, you know, delighted to get the engineering solution. Um that I think makes sense. Um did I do you agree with what I said as far as factually with regard to the impact from these

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from the change of use? Yeah, I agree with the in uh increase percentage uh before and after >> and you know there is you know when you look about the rules that are on the book on fair share contributions there

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really is no nothing they're really for roadways arguably what is the purpose of this elongated roundabout >> it's for turning movements >> yes for >> it's not for the movement you know east and west on the road it's on the turning

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movements that are either going to the shopping center to the south or the shopping center to the north. So they're this entire project is entirely you know attributed to this the the traffic to those two centers.

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Um, so, uh, and I don't want to put the applicant on the spot, but, um, and I don't know how my colleagues stand on this, but you know, I was, again, I made it pretty clear, I would not support the

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project at all if we didn't have a solution for the traffic impacts. And I do believe that uh and so if I'm to support it, I'm certainly going to support it knowing that we need to move ahead with the elongated

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uh roundabout. Um because I I in good conscious both as an elected official and as a professional engineer could not allow, you know, this really to happen without without really addressing it. Uh, I don't think that the and I while I do appreciate the applicant's offer of

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the $94,000, I I don't think it's a it's it's a fair amount. I'd ask the applicant to consider a higher amount. Um, and um, you know, I think it's it's important that we if we were to approve

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this tonight that we're committed that we're going to be coming up to the balance, you know, to make this happen. Um, so I I couldn't I wouldn't support it at the 94,000, but I I appreciate at least the willingness to, you know,

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consider something. But, um, you know, that was based on kind of ADT. And to me, it's the it's the turning movements and the impact of the 77% increase in PM peak that really drives us to do something.

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Um, so thank you, CG. I don't have any more questions, but uh on the um so going back to the uh open items then in my mind to be able to support it. Number one, did I hear

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councelor Sunstrom ask the questions about the lower wall? Um and the applicant's rep had indicated you were familiar with the letter we got. Well, the letter we got suggested a lower wall would be satisfactory. And then to the

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degree that lower wall does not impact site view, then it seems like that would be acceptable and it sounds like but I want to put that you were acceptable for that. Um, so is that is was that not the case what you agreed to?

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>> Yes. So, I mean, I what I what I stated, Mayor Kretzky, is that we uh potentially may have to tear a portion of it out for view, but the balance of it we could trim down and we will work with your engineering department >> and I'm fine with it being worked out with engineering to try to accommodate what the resident had asked for.

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>> Yes, sir. Um then um and you know the way this can work up here is first of all um I could be in a minority and it doesn't matter but uh um again I'm not going to be supportive

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unless I know there's the the solution can be implemented and uh and that would mean that there's a reasonable cont you know what I think to be a fair contribution on part of the applicant. I don't know how my colleagues here feel. There's two ways we have up here to do

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things and again I don't know where they stand. we're going to be deliberating after these questions, but um we could put a number in and then you accept it or not, but it's subject to the condition or you know um if we not if a

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majority were not to feel comfortable with the 94,000 we would always give option. Do you want us to reject it? So I just ask is is the applicant willing to up their percentage contribution and if so how much?

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>> Mayor Kitzky, I'm sure there's some caucusing going on in the back. Could we maybe pivot to some more questions to give them some time to finish up the conversation? >> Sure. Yeah. Thank you, sir. >> We could come back to that. I appreciate if those conversations are happening. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. >> Thank you. Then my comments are being addressed. >> Uh counselor.

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>> Yeah. Uh couple questions for the applicant and some for staff. I'll start with the applicant. Um, could you uh the truck ingress are did you state I was taking some notes that the the trucks will be heading heading west and then turn into the back of the plaza?

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>> Yeah, that's correct, but I'm going to get Mr. Kerr to confirm that. >> But their route were they are they going to come down Indian Town, make a U-turn some are they going to go down all the way around from Route One or >> allow them to come up and address it. I

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know the answer, but I'd rather have it come out of the professional engineers's mouth. >> Sure. No, no, they would not be making a U-turn on Indian Town. They would have to access Indian Town from from uh A1A. >> From A1A, >> right? They would circulate around the long way. >> So, they'd have to go through the the uh

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the inlet district area or or come up through the beach and all that. that's, >> you know, >> until until the point at which the the the elongated roundabout allows for the left turns. >> Um because the left turns are prohibited at that location. That's how they would have to come in.

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>> Yeah. >> Um and then excuse me, I appreciate the filtration of the storm water. Does all the storm water from your parking lot go into the mangrove area? >> The answer is yes, but we'll let Mr. Ralph come up and confirm that. Okay.

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>> Good evening, Kenneth R. Thomas Engineering Group. Yes. All the water from our parking lot goes through civil inlets and makes it way to the mangrove area through three separate outs. >> Okay. And you said they they've been cleared out or they're clogged currently. >> Yes, they were clogged and I believe the

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majority of the cleaning has taken place and there's still some ongoing cleanup taking part as we preview our videos. >> Okay. Um I appreciate the enclosed loading dock. It's um it's safer. It's better for your products obviously. Um

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and how are you folks set for emergency generators and can you withstand a hurricane event and for how long? >> Great question. >> I don't know. But >> what's your policy with your other

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stores? Whole Foods. >> Um, I would have to look at the Whole Foods work letter to see if it calls out the generator. That would be part of their um requirement. Um, but I I don't know

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off the top of my head and we can kind of dig it up and and find out. >> So, was it a So, you probably wouldn't know if Whole Foods has a policy where if there's a hurricane, they're prepared. they have fuel or they're tapped into a natural gas line where they can keep their operation running,

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bring trucks in when they can to feed the local population. You're not sure about that? I'm just >> I'm not sure. I mean, I know I know they've they've been operating. >> All right. Go ahead. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> So, there's a a life safety generator which uh handles all the life safety

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aspects and then there's capabilities for a rollup generator where they plug that generator into the electrical system. >> Okay. like an event, you know, it's coming, they bring it in if they can and all. >> Precisely. Precisely. >> Okay. Diesel. >> Uh I would imagine so.

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>> Okay. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um I guess uh staff question for staff. Anyone? >> How you doing? >> Hey, what's going

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>> Haven't seen you in a while. >> I know. That's good. >> Um, regarding the roundabout, the the um 94,000, what is any what's the idea of the cost of the roundabout? Any idea? >> It was a, as I understand it, it was a

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mutually agreed upon methodology based on the traffic coming in and out of that side street. So, there was a percentage applied to it. I believe it was 8% total project cost of 1.2 million design build. That's where the 94 came from. >> Okay. And so we we the mayor mentioned

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10 years ago, but I think it was more like four or five when they did some drainage improvements on that part of Indian Town Road. We looked at this, but it didn't it didn't come to fruition to >> Well, and it was refuge in the year 2016. We were looking at it. >> I just didn't think it was that long ago. Maybe it was. >> Time flies. >> Time flies.

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>> Yes. >> So, but um we we never got that done. So you you think this would really help that situ the the flow of traffic? >> I based off of the town traffic engineer, this is an approach to to one

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not have to use additional right away to make those turning movements much safer. >> It would definitely make them safer. >> No doubt. Okay. Um, and is in regards to parking, this is this is going to require much more

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parking flow or capacity than the bells obviously. Correct. Are they are they are they fully parked or are they is it all involved in the shared parking or is it is there a deficit in the whole plaza as it is constituted now with the Whole Foods going in? Would it be a deficit in parking or they parked

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>> there? They do have shared parking. Um, I believe the reduction is somewhere around 5%. Um, overall >> it was it was 5%. >> A lower percentage for how many parking spaces they have on site. Certainly, I'm sure uh Whole Foods will generate more practical more practical parking than

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Bells does it today. Um, but there's pretty significantly large um field there and the percentage as I said being 5%. Um, the code allows you all to approve up to 25%. So, it's a pretty minor reduction and a lot of uses are changing back and forth. So, there's some eb and flow to the parking demand

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going up in some areas and down in others, >> right? Okay. Um, let's see. Um, yeah, I I agree with the mayor. I would have liked to see a a higher donation on the roundabout. If it's you said it's how much was it? One

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1.2 >> uh total project cost is anticipated. That's design and build. So, that's 1.2 million in total. >> 1.2 million. Okay. Yeah. I I would want to see a larger donation on that. So, okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Councelor Dean, can I piggyback off of something you said because I thought you had a good point with truck turning

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movements with this round maybe staff likely staff the roundabout the elongated roundabout. So, it's not just car movements, car turning movements, but we're saying that the truck um the trucks pulling in would be able to use

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that as well and they wouldn't be going through our inlet village and wouldn't be going on A1A >> and they would be able to use the traffic improvement. >> Good evening, George Zman, director of engineering at public works. I figured I'd take a turn. um everybody else has.

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>> So um this is just a plan, a schematic plan if you will, um a concept plan. So this is subject to engineered design uh which will incorporate turning movements for for trucks and emergency vehicles. >> Sorry to interrupt. Can we pull it up on the screen actually while we're talking

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about it? Is it possible to pull up attachment D just so we're all looking at the same thing? >> Uh and I had a follow-up question related to this too by the way. So, cuz I don't think it was answered uh >> fully

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um to counselor. >> I know. I I see the mayor with it on the desk and I'm like I don't want to go through the 200page document. >> Well, it's in the >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's attachment D, by the way. >> I print mine. >> Understand.

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>> I'm I'm trying to navigate quickly. >> It was attachment D. >> Good. It's good for residents to see and throw it up as well. >> Agreed. >> Yeah. But as you're pulling that up, you know what this does compared to what we had looked at before um being some years

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back is we were going I was going to have to drive further down east and then do a U-turn. So it was never a practical solution we had. Not too long. >> This now when you pull it up >> provides for a Uturn

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>> that would enable me to go into the normal entrance as opposed to the back of the center which is where the only place people can now left turn into the back of the center. But as we're pulling that up then I question from a from a u

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the uh which is councelor Sunstrom is asking I question isn't just design of the roundabout because uh the the direction in place that the semis were going was to the back of the center and the roundabout is

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is really intended to accommodate the regular general public. Y >> and if even if that roundabout now were designed for >> a semi, then the semi would be going into the entry

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further west and then have to maneuver through the shopping center. So when that question was answered um to councelor uh Delaney, I not sure I I I question whether or not and and really should be applicant actually answering that one.

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You can answer it, but because that's within their site, right? One thing is the roundabout design. You could see where the turn is. >> Yeah. >> But it's really within the site. Is it going to be accommodate a semi moving to to get to the back?

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>> That's why I think they had a right turn in. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And this, like I mentioned, this is a concept design. Um we would have to we would go through full engineering for um access for accessibility.

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Obviously safety is the most important. Um but u we would even look into this area here. Um obviously there's access that's required into the rear of the property um as well as the adjacent

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residential properties. So that would be you know those there would probably be I would anticipate a couple alternatives during early phases of design. >> But if it was to be presented as it is

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then uh then basically the right turn in for a semi would be at the western more uh the western entrance and then they would have to maneuver through the shopping center. So, I'd like to ask the

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applicant's uh traffic engineer to comment about that. >> As presented here, if if this were exactly how it were were constructed, the trucks would still have to continue to come in from the east and use the Yeah, Stan corrected on my previous

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statement. They would still use the east entrance and have to come in from the east as as it stands here. But again, there could be ways to to look at alternatives to allow the trucks in from the west there. So it would be the same it would be the same circulation as as as today.

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>> What time do you your stores your stores usually get deliveries from your trucks? >> 7 a.m. >> After 7 a.m. >> After 7 a.m. That's a pretty broad spectrum of time. 7 a.m. to

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>> They're usually early in >> like 9 or 10 or >> No. No. Deliveries usually occur in the morning. There are like little smaller trucks that might >> come throughout the day, but that the big trucks usually come early in the morning. Okay. >> Here, I think we've already agreed that

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it it would I think 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. are the the hours, you know, since there's nearby residents and so that's why I said 7 a.m. >> Okay. >> There's some locations where they come at 5:00 a.m., but not here. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Thank you,

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>> Vice Mayor. Um, mine are pretty much comments. I'm hearing a lot of what I have written for notes, but have you given any thought to the traffic that already exists with Maltz Theater and the church and how it

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could impact traffic going east and west as well. I suspect some of the patrons at the malls or going to church are going to be going in and out of the plaza. just want to be

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sure that thoughts have been given to the existing businesses that are um patrons that are there. Now I can see peak times with the theater could get very dicey. I won't even go through this elongated

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roundabout because I still conceptually I need to see something in the safety realm. I don't see it right now. So, um I won't go into that, but I do want to be sure that existing

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businesses and even across the street, I suspect they're going to start doing some upgrading um which will add more traffic. I want to flip back to um other shops or what else is going into the

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plaza? You said smaller things. Help me envision that. >> Thank you. Guys, I love talking about landscape and design. So, let me get Oops, we're on a different slideshow. So, I'll just I'll just walk you through. So, basically at the intersection at at the northeast corner

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of the site, which on this slide would be over here on the left hand side, there'll be significant landscape improvements by the sign area. We'll be removing the trees. We'll be placing new trees, new landscape in that general area. Also along the south along the east side today on the bells where

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there's absolutely no landscaping there'll be landscaping a foundation landscaping placed in it. And then also on the entry on the northern side along US1 will also be improving that area with landscaping. >> And what I was really referring to is future tenants um small shops.

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>> Oh well that part I can't get as excited about. But yes, I I'll ask Miss I'll ask Brian or the landlord to come up >> and talk about >> thinking about what kind of small shops, what kind of traffic >> from a traffic standpoint. Yes. And that I believe that's what >> And did I hear the word restaurant or

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did I just make that up in my mind? >> You mean are there restaurants? There are restaurants on the site. >> Anything new coming in with a bigger restaurant? >> I'll defer to Brian on that one, but I know the answer is no. Anything bigger, but I do know that there potentially could be some restaurant space. >> Okay, great. I'd love to hear that. or

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new restaurants opening. >> Okay. >> Hi. Um I I think the proposed tenant mix would be similar to other kind of grocery anchored shopping centers you see in, you know, like a Chasewood or you see in Palm Beach Gardens or other parts of Palm Beach County. Um, as I

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think through, um, tenants we're talking to, there's a a a coffee shop, uh, a cosmetics retailer, some services, um, you know, typical service tenants you'd find in that kind of shopping center. Um,

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let me think what else. Uh, fitness. there's there was a big fitness operator and I think fitness whether it's um smaller boutique fitness operators or or a a larger fitness operator in the future. Um and then other retail I think retail's

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harder to to get these days. you know, you you have like a Gardens mall that sort of >> ends up being where people go. But I think with um um I think we'll have some kind of boutique retail, you know, local

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regional operator type retail. >> And you said the total line is 27 with Whole Foods 28. When does construction actually start? with your uh approval, we would um start the pro process of permitting and I

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think we'd begin uh by the end of this year um on on renovations and then I think I said total wine would be the the kind of mid to late 27 would be the first. >> All right. Um and I agree with my colleagues on this donation. Um I think

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we need to have further discussion on that as well. And again, back to that, oh, elongated roundabout. I need to conceptually see a little bit more as time goes on. >> Just um just to wrap up on the I believe

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on the open questions um or followup. So as a project manager I know and would expect on the timeline which was the question council Sunstrom asked to start with the significant con construction.

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What's uh Bell's departure date? >> Bell's lease expires April of 2027. >> Okay. So unless unless they move that earlier that really becomes the date that really the significant construction happens.

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>> Yeah. and and that's where the uh time that was given for the Whole Foods opening was sort of built off of that timeline. And why >> you said spring 2028, so that makes leaves for a year construction time. >> Yeah. Um

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on the curbside pickup spaces, again, I know the shopping center pretty well. I know when it's raining where to run to get under the o overhang. and you're limiting the overhang which is fine but I imagine the curbside pickup which is

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covered the in the service from that is from now going to be from the side of the building from except from the front. Is that correct? >> There's a you're talking about how the um Whole Foods employee gets the goods to the Yeah. customer. Yeah. I believe

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there's a on the side but close to the front there's a entryway there >> which is under the overhang or whatever. So there's a practical way for that to happen in the rain. >> Okay. Because from the entrance now you're eliminating some of the overhang.

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It sure seems like it. >> No sir. Um and I'll ask Bob to come up and articulate it even better. But we the the the replace Oh, I can't get the drawing up. Um but Bob, come on up and explain. >> Well, you show you talked about the elevation that showed the two, you know, the glass >> where the roof was and where the roof

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isn't. There's actually an overhang that comes out along the frontage of that. >> Okay. I didn't notice that. But if it's >> It's a white line there. >> Yeah, it's it's >> it's lower now. >> I'm sorry. >> I think it's lower now. >> It's lower. Yeah. It's it's a a flat

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canopy that's between the the uh walkway storefront and the clear story above it. So that it's still covered. And there's actually intended to be some u um outdoor seating area at those locations.

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>> Okay. And then um I understand there was caucusing going on on uh an increased uh amount of contribution any any uh decision made on the part of the applicant. >> Lots of caucusing going on. So, our our transportation engineers had the

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opportunity to work with this with the town's engineer this afternoon and they've come up with a a formula for a for a more fair share. And I'll let Mr. Kerr come up and address that and then we'll put the number out there and we'll go from there. Thank you. >> Thank you. Yes, we did add back into the

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the methodology the the left turns, the illegal left turns. before we had not included those in our methodology. Um recognizing that they do exist and when the the elongated roundabout is uh is constructed those are additional left turns that would be coming into the the

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property. So that increases the uh the proportionate share and then we also looked at the uh not just the daily but the AM and the PM trips as well and and looked at an average there. So that came out to in working with uh with CJ that came out to a 12.6% 6% uh proportion

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which is $151,200. >> Okay. Thank you. Um CJ still here or George? Does that you agree with that estimate with the new formula? >> It's 12.65%.

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>> Sorry. But but the uhund $151,000 which is the number he just threw out. You agree with that, CJ? >> Uh, yes. Uh, 150,000. Um, >> okay. >> Simon. >> All righty. Um, if there's no other

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questions, do we have any public comment? >> No, sir. Seeing none, um I'll u ask um because time had been reserved um if the applicant wished to make any

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closing arguments, >> Mr. Mayor. No, thank you for your time this evening. >> Okay. Uh turning to council for deliberations. Does anybody want to begin?

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If I could begin. Um, so I agree with the mayor on the contribution and I accept the proposed contribution and could make it or include it in a part of a motion down the line. Um,

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I do agree that the number one focus on the on this project should be traffic. I do think the improvements need to come not after but along at the same time um as projects we've been pretty consistent about that over recent years with Bush

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Road and other things. Uh so I do think that we need to make this a priority on our side and would support the CRA project down the line as was mentioned earlier. Um I do look forward to seeing how the design evolves. We did bring up

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the discussion around accessing the back of the property as well as the condos back there. So that may change this design a bit. Um and recognize that it could evolve. Um but overall I I am supportive but I I do

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have a couple of other um kind of concerns I want to raise. One is the elevations. So, I did ask um that you see the materials and I do just want to raise that because um we just recently looked at a contemporary style building and it had coina, it had natural native

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stone material. It had more neutral, more warm coloring to it. Um a lot of the buildings that we have in this style have this warmer, more inviting tone. Um, and the one in Palm Beach Gardens

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has similar color palette as well. Um, I don't want to throw too much at them tonight. I do want to say I re I do love the window at the entrance, the double window. I do love and I'm okay with the

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contemporary style, but I want to ask um and discuss here tonight if we can look at this gray coloring because to me and I I use Whole Foods and G I you know I don't know I shop for my family at pretty much every grocery store because

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there's always one ingredient you know that they have that the other doesn't but um so I feel like I'm an expert here as a mom to young children but it feels very cold and I don't feel like It's Jupiter. Honestly, I think it needs a few accent like the natural

658
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um that's not the color stone we use. Those aren't colors we use. Um we use pastels or with whites we use a like a natural color. Um we used coina on another building recently. You see it everywhere. Um that color, it doesn't

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have to be that exactly, but that coloring warmer woods. I saw um in the color sample here a very cold wood with gray coloring. Um so and it and we've got it on display here. So, you know, I

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don't know if it's possible to add uh like warmer wood accents, add more planters, just make it more inviting, make it warmer, make it more specifically and uniquely Jupiter if possible. It doesn't have to be a

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wholesale change, but just accents and color. And that's I mean, I may be in the minority here, but that's what I see around town. And I really want to make sure that our architecture fits. And this council has the right to review

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elevations. And so, I just want to raise that because we do get comments like I get comments around the Abakcoa Plaza with Publix. Um, black and white is very popular, but warming it up with landscaping, warming it up with accents is really important, too. So, I'd be

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curious to what my colleagues would say to that. Um, and if the applicant would be willing to make tweaks to make it more inviting and welcoming in the beginning, um, with planters or greenery or somehow a more natural native

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coloring. Well, I'll just weigh in on that. When everybody starts commenting on things they're talking about that'd be part of our action, I start thinking about how we would do that. Um, and I historically have never really weighed

665
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in much on color, but I know color really is significant to a lot of people. Um, so I respect that. Um, I think the only practical way to deal with that if you really feel strongly about it and I would support it would be that uh that would be an item that would have to come back because I don't know

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how you can delegate that feel that you're concerned about. So, we could make it a condition of coming back in the meantime. They would be working with staff, you and whoever else weighs in up here to come with back with something and then we it would be subject to our

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approval. staff, could I get an understanding of what that would involve if we like I don't I don't want to hold this up tonight, but I do want to see what improvements could be made there for fit. Um,

668
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>> so if you're talking about um changing materials, they have material boards, modifying those to be warm colors, to have more uh natural uh colors, na more natural stone. Um, that's a pretty

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simple request. Um, we could also look and and um, you know, address planters. There's already some planters proposed. So, we could look at areas where feasible and we can put those in as a condition where feasible adding

670
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additional planters um along the front of and if you're looking at Whole Foods versus the rest of the plaza, we can look at Whole Foods themselves. Um but it isn't, you know, the if you go back in time, this used to be the indoor

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mall. So there's a lot of there's been a lot of modifications and evolutions over the years. Um, and if you're comfortable with staff doing it, we'll be happy to do it so it doesn't have to come back. Um, we could generate a condition and we

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could read it to you um, if you'd like. >> Um, >> that's what I would prefer because I don't want to hold it up. Yeah. And I do just want to make tweaks that could make it more inviting and a good fit. Focus on fit. Yeah.

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if that's acceptable, I can >> yeah, if I have any support and I know I may be in the minority on this, but um it is it is something that I'm very sensitive to and that I do pay a lot of attention to and that I do get comments from from um from other moms, from other

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people that care about just the aesthetic fit across the community and the style of the town and is it Jupiter and is it a >> So council, you're okay with the architectural style correct just looking at the color palette that comes with it. Okay. Yeah. Fine. Right.

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>> Like you had two items that was that it >> that's it. >> Okay. Um moving on down. Councelor Gisinger. >> Yeah, I agree with your recommendation, Mayor, and the proposal to increase the contribution to 151. Uh obviously traffic is my main concern. and I

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support a potential uh CRA project in the future to make this a more accessible and and u from an access standpoint and from a public safety standpoint. And um so based on that, I'd like to see us accelerate whatever that

677
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concept is was elongated roundabout. I like to see that accelerate so that design and potential construction is more in line with the eventual given a CO to Whole Foods at the end after all construction. So, as far as what the

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applicant, a lot of detail. I appreciate it. I support what you're doing there. I really appreciate the the enclosed dock. The sealed containers, I think, is a plus. Um, in the added uh landscaping improvement overall, I support. Um

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I do also uh appreciate uh the additional landscaping of the uh cart corral that you're putting in the shopping cart corral and also the ef efforts taken efforts taken to improve the drainage and um the water qual

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quality being dumped into the uh the lockahhati river. So and and I understand that's all going to be in a routine maintenance plan also to ensure that there's no lapse in that maintenance. So, I support all that and I commend you for a I thought a very detailed presentation that you provided

681
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and I thank you for that amount of detail made my job a little bit easier. Again, my big concern is the traffic and I think we've addressed that with elongated uh or a near concept of what that uh roundabout might look like in the future. >> And I do just quickly want to add a note

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of praise. The cart corrals are wonderful. Thank you. Um there is a the Gardens Whole Foods does not have them and people park in the uh what should be accessible parking and they do block spaces and they do create traffic issues

683
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and blockages. So thank you >> again. I want to just reiterate everything that's been said. I appreciate the detail. I like the fact that you've taken your landscaping. You're open to adding more. That's very

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important. the drainage in the Lockach River and it I can't even tell you how good it feels going in there when you can just park and not have to worry where you're parking. We've seen that with other um parking lots contribution.

685
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I have to tell you, I was hoping it was going to be a little higher quite frankly. Um but I would accept the 151. Um can't fight a girl for trying. Um, I would also agree with um, councelor

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Sunstrom that a little bit more jupitter feeling, not such a sterile kind of look. Um, whatever we can come back with with staff, we'll put put it in their court. Um, of course, the traffic and safety is my

687
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biggest issue. Again, I'm slow on that elongated roundabout, but I I also want you to be cognizant of the Maltz Theater, the church. It's going to add traffic at different times. Um, and

688
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traffic just puts people in crazy moods. We don't want to open it up to anything that could happen. And of course, I would love I support the CRA effort. Let's get that going. Um, but thank you. It was a great presentation. I think it's going to be a bonus to Jupiter. Um

689
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interested in seeing what else gets in there and also interested in the longevity of the smaller shops quite frankly. Um we see them coming and going and and that's that's not easy for the shop person or the residents are always

690
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asking why can't something stay. So I put that out there. Um and wish everybody good luck as you you bring in new tenants. >> Yeah, I I like the um I like the project as a whole and I think that plaza needs

691
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definitely needs more traffic because it seems kind of quiet over there. Would help out some of the other um ancillary businesses in there. Um I I I mentioned in my last comments I appreciated the the storm water. Um, I I'm still I have

692
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a lot of concerns about the truck ingress and like tonight I mean I don't have a guarantee that trucks heading east on Indiantown Road can drive into the back entrance of the plaza. So I'm not ready to vote for this

693
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application. I mean, you know, I know we've looked at this before. It didn't come to fruition. I can't remember why. And I'm not sure if you know I I don't think I agree with the with the contribution from the applicant. I think it's too low. I mean, are we ready to approve this and then

694
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spend a million dollars out of the town coffers to make this happen for them? I mean, or was this in the like councelor Gisinger mentioned, was this um planned at the CR? Is this something that's been

695
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brewing in the CRA to get this elongated roundabout? This is that's news to me if it is. So this >> it isn't in there now to me. >> Yeah, >> it is not in there now. >> I mean I not in there. >> I can't approve this as as proposed right here. I'm looking I'm looking at

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the roundabout and you know like the mayor mentioned you'd have to come into the f western further west entrance to the plaza brings you to the front of the plaza. Now the trucks meandering all around. You can't get to the back efficiently and I'm very uncomfortable with rrooting trucks through the inlet

697
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village or along the beach road. So I don't know I'm not I can't >> let me let me I mean bring up >> and I don't want to hold it up unintentionally. >> No no but let me just regarding that topic because I was kind of inventorying what we uh would have to make as conditions.

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So yeah, I think all of us are uncomfortable with uh semi-truckss now, increase in semi-truckss going through the inlet village, you know, with uh and the adverse impacts on that. And I'm also uh think the contribution is too low, but I certainly also want to make

699
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sure and people may think this funny, but I've said this many times in my day job when I was in engineering that an engineer can do anything. It's only money. Well, I want to make sure that this uh as uh uh our engineering director said,

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while this elongated uh roundabout could be engineered to potentially deal with the trucks, that's would result in an increase in cost. All of that cost shouldn't be borne by the town if it turns out it was driving the cost up. I

701
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still think it'd be beneficial to do. Uh but is it practical because this could be a condition to limit semi-truck ingress to US1 and I know this is closed here to the

702
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really normal discussion but that could be a condition that we could do that eliminates >> the right turn in >> real to the degree that >> realize that to the degree that uh the normal delivery times is really before

703
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this shopping center business. >> Is it feasible to meander through the parking lot to get into the back safely? >> I want to ask the applicant about that because that could be a condition >> that we could make it then that resolves our concern about the impact from this

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>> with the right to only. >> So I think they're kind of conversing about that. But that would be a condition you know and we've done conditions like that. I don't remember but when but I think we have >> that would that would address that.

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>> Can that be enforced? >> Yeah. >> But I wanted it addressed two ways because again it could be removed if in fact there was the elongated roundabout provided provisions. >> It doesn't now and I wouldn't but if that happened then they'd be paying

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incremental cost. >> Yeah. This design will evolve. >> Yeah. I I never liked horse trading on the dis like this, but I'm not comfortable with that right now. I can't vote for that. So So, >> but I think the issue you brought up is it's about the trucks.

707
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>> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> And and I'm just asking if there's an alternative condition that would mitigate that. >> Yeah, I agree. >> I think what um

708
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I just want to make sure like we're all understanding the same thing. What I think what we regardless of the roundabout or no roundabout, we we were already saying that we would agree to a condition that trucks have to come from the east and come in. And we've required

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that in the in the leases and we have the truck paths to show that that works because basically the they come in, they make a right turn in coming from the east and they back in and they drop the goods and then they leave via uh US1.

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But the site geometry or in the in the buildings and the exist locations of the loading docks don't allow for the trucks to only come in at US1. We'd have to start >> I totally understand that. >> Okay. Okay. I just want to make sure that >> I I can completely understand it.

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>> Yeah. >> But this facility is you're going to you're going to be getting a lot more deliveries than the Bells. You're going to be getting daily and probably, you know, I don't know how many two or three semiis. And then you said smaller trucks. It's going to be much busier. So

712
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I I don't want that traffic going through our inner village. It gets it's it's a it's a it's a small speed tables. What is it? 20 mph >> pedestrian. It's it's a walking funky fishing village that was designed many

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years ago. I don't want more 18 willows going down that road. That's all. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I think I now I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. You just like it's it's >> and I think that's unanimous. I think that's unanimous up here by the way. I would suspect. >> Yeah. >> So, we all share that concern which is

714
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why I didn't think it was like you could go through the center. I was trying to find the only condition that I could think of that would at least uh but um so that's an open issue. Then we don't have a resolution for >> um

715
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>> yeah this is >> well >> sorry one clarification on that we're talking about inlet village this is Michael Trimble also with Ram uh the trucks per the lease documents are actually required to come up from the south so they would not be going through that northern section from inlet village so they would be coming up from the

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south on US1 not crossing the inlet village which has a lot of speed tables and doesn't really work for semis So, >> so then >> but so they're going to have to you'll have to go down Fred Small and come up the beach road. >> Uh they would load the store in Gardens

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and then cut, you know, go down Donald Ross over to US1 and drive drive north there in the morning during low traffic times on that road. Well, >> yeah, but you still still have to go around. >> Yeah, I'm I'm confused. This doesn't have to make

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>> you're going through car. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You would come up A1A is what they're now suggesting, not down A1A. >> Right. Right. >> If that's the case. Yeah. Is that what you're suggesting? >> Correct. They're they're not coming through Inlet Village, which is to the north to the north of Indian Town,

719
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unless you're talking about also to the south. >> Their their distribution is in Pompo and then they have they drop at stores on the way up and then come. But the only way to get into your parking lot safely is coming west going west on Indiantown

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Road coming from Beach Road down near Jupiter Beach Resort. How do you get there? >> You're coming now you're coming up along the beach. You you'd have to come down Donald Ross or Fred Small. >> Correct. Am I right? I mean, >> correct. >> There's no other So you now you said

721
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earlier I don't want you coming up the beach road or through the inlet village. It's just too many that I just I don't think it makes sense. But I mean, I would want this taken care of here. >> Um, can I make a recommendation?

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>> Sure. You know, there's issues with not really having a concept for this elongated roundabout yet and not really understanding how these trucks are going to get there without going through the inlet village. Does it make sense to have staff have to go back and look at

723
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this and rework it, maybe postpone this item? >> So, I was going to recommend >> it does. Uh but let's try to make sure >> that we identify all the issues >> that we would want to want addressed >> so that we have clarity coming back.

724
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It's after a postponement >> or continuation if you will that it's limited. So I would just suggest and I'm just the one that I try to keep track of these here. So first number is on the color chain this aesthetic changes that

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was something that could be a condition or if this is coming back they could come back. So that's item one. Item two is the uh existing wall removal scope changed to the height reduction that was agreed upon. There would be a

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condition about that one. That's item two. Item three is with regard to the applicant contribution to the elongated roundabout. Um, in the sense I think there may be majority that that's too low for the

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applicant to give consideration to that. But if if this was continued to give the opportunity and I'm comfortable, by the way, with the round the elongated roundabout design as I see it, except for uh

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semi-truckss >> and I was concerned that if the semitrs were to impact the scope of that that it ought to be to the applicants cost. So I think the continuation then is that would be to further look at the with the

729
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applicant the elongated roundabout to see if there was a way to allow for um the uh semi-truckss to enter the back area with a left turn movement as opposed to

730
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a right turn. then that would preclude them from having to go down A1A which isn't desirable to the town. Um, so, uh, the, um, I' I'd ask staff,

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um, and then separately the applicant, what what do you think's a reasonable amount of time to come back to address those items? Because if we're going to, you know, continue, we'd like to have an idea of the reasonable amount of time to continue it.

732
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Well, I would just like to clarify once again, George Zama, director of engineering and public works. I would just like to clarify that that town staff proposed this plan, this concept plan, and the applicant is amanable to

733
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it and they're willing to provide the proportionate chair and contribution to develop the plans for this concept. Yep. >> So with that in mind, the town would control the infrastructure project. So it's in the town's control to develop

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the plan for accessibility. Um and with that said, and if this project were to go forth, that the uh applicant would deposit funds in escrow at the town's discretion for use for infrastructure improvements. We would

735
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most likely use that for to to begin design. We can start that relatively soon utilizing our continuing services consultants. And um so we can move this project forward somewhat

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concurrently uh with the applicants project. And uh as council, you know, traffic is a priority. Traffic's a priority to council. Traffic's a priority to us. But um and with that said, you know, we

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would have to uh program the project. We could also program it in the CIP uh for planning purposes as well. >> But the condition would then have to be that the truck could make that left turn going east. >> Well, and I'm not ready I'm not ready to go there until

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>> Yeah. How would that be certain? >> Yeah. I'm not ready I'm not ready to go that way. number one, and I appreciate you're explaining it that way, but if the lumps if the applicant uh contribution, no matter what it ends up being, was a

739
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lump sum, then I'm concerned about the 1.2 mill billion million dollar project going to 1.5. >> Yep. >> And they're only paying 12 a.5% or whatever, rate or whatever it turns out to be. I do believe that and we don't

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know as we're sitting here whether or not you could work up a design um to allow semi-truckss to do a left turn back there. Um, so I do think it's the first step whether we the town chooses to get a consultant involved but

741
03:34:58.560 --> 03:35:16.160
working with the applicant before you come back to show us and I this addresses the concern except for the semis what what's been presented which is a significant concern that I had but the

742
03:35:16.160 --> 03:35:31.760
semis have to be addressed. So I think what needs to happen is the applicant can look at work with you and see how if there's they can find a way to uh enable a semi to come in their back entrance uh the easternmost entrance on Indian

743
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town but doing a left turn lane. >> Yeah. Because it >> because then they wouldn't be going up A1A. >> That's what needs to happen. That that would have to be we'd have to know it's feasible, >> right? >> Yeah. And I look at it, you know, we looked at this years ago. We didn't do

744
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it. If we're going to need to get this right, this is >> Yes, we do. >> This has given us a push to get it right. Obviously, it has to be right for the applicant. So, >> well, and maybe we should just maybe we should just uh move to uh postpone and then the applicant staff

745
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can get together and try to come up with a solution for this. >> Yeah. So under state law, uh you know, if if you do postpone it without a date certain for the continuation of this hearing, then it would have to be ren the hearing would

746
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have to be renoticed, >> which is why I'm trying to get a continuation date. >> Well, it it sounds like that's going to be difficult to nail down. So I my suggestion would be that you continue it and then renotice it when

747
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>> the professionals have gotten together and >> hopefully work something out. >> That's what we usually do, right? >> Yeah. Well, sometimes we do both. So we okay with just postponing it? >> Did you say continue? September,

748
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>> postpone, continue, but >> Okay, gotcha. >> I mean, >> but they're going to have to readvertise when it comes back, >> right? >> For those four specific items, most significant one being the semi-truckss. >> It's in your best interest, folks, because if you get denied in Jupiter, you're out two years.

749
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So, trying to help you. I know it's disappointing, but >> so there's more caucusing going on in the back and they'll come up to me in a second. First thing, uh, council member uh, Sunstrom, thank you for your comments and we will work on a we will work on it. We understood the warmer the

750
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warmer comment. We will do more planters. We'll probably look at a Wayne's coat on something particularly on like the water table. Understood your comment. Our architects already thinking of different ideas in regards to a timeline. and I I kind of know what it's going to be, but I just want them to to decide and come come up here and discuss

751
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it with me real quick. >> But I think but but I think it almost doesn't matter. We we're going to continue it, postpone it, but then it's going to have to be advertised when it comes back when you're ready. time now >> if we continue date certain to

752
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>> so the the council's kind of decided that they don't need to identify a date certain because there's a lot of moving parts >> and so they're going to continue it and when you all fix the moving parts it'll be noticed and you'll come back

753
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>> and I just yeah I do think I mean this is such a major transition for a part of town that hasn't been looked at a long time with a lot of traffic impacts. And so in a re in a way, you're kind of going through this because you're first. Um but we have to get this right because

754
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this will impact circulation. Um this is our beach. This is our inlet village. It's kind of the gateway. I was talking to staff about this is the gateway to the beach in a way. So it's just so important to us as a town to get this right. Your location. It's a very

755
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special location. It's a great location. Um, but we really I think it's it benefits all of us to get it right here. >> I think just to emphasize my comments and other comments you heard, great application. We're excited about the project, but we really have to make sure it's right before we we approve it. So,

756
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we're we're not uh we're only concerned about the items that we've identified, those four items, but other than that, we're hoping a solution is found that can avoid, you know, semi-truckss going wrong, A1A. Um and um seems like that's something

757
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you can you should be able to resolve knowing that that's a that's a limitation that we're establishing that you didn't know about, you know, now you now know about. >> So, with that, I have one comment just for the applicant.

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>> When it comes to traffic anxiety from the residents in this town, >> the spot that you're looking at, the the the elongated roundabout, that's like number two as opposed to in Indian Town in 95. >> Yeah. >> So, it's a real hot spot. You may or may

759
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not have known that, but that's what we're dealing with. So, like every the my colleague said, we need to get this right. Okay. And I agree, this is this is you're a great fit for the plaza. Could use it. So, but we just we need to work this out and you don't want to get denied tonight,

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postpone it, work with staff, come back and we'll look at it. >> So, with that, uh, I'll u make a motion and a second to postpone with those on the basis of those four items. >> I'd like to make make a motion to postpone based upon the four items discussed to give both town and an

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opportunity to go address them. >> Second. >> Motion is second. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. Motion carries unanimously. >> Thank you. >> Moving on to uh public business item 13,

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resolution 100-26. Kate Morettto, assistant town manager for the record. You have before you resolution 100-26, uh, showing opposition to the plan for Palm Beach County to begin charging for parking along our beachfront and beach

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parking areas. Um, you also have before you as an attachment to the agenda item a draft cover letter that could go along with that resolution if passed um, and if transmitted to the county. Um the resolution outlines some of the uh

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parameters of Jupiter's uh support for its beachfront, ownership of its beachfront, um and the makeup of the beachfront. Um and um indicates the long-standing policy decision of the town contained in its comprehensive plan

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to maintain uh no paid parking at the beaches. So with that, if there are any questions, be happy to try and answer them. I think we had one public comment, but uh And I think despite the fact that the county

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has potentially taken some actions on this, uh, still has some going forth legs or could have and I think staff did a tremendous job on it and I'm grateful for that. Thank you very much. Um, and about the only thing that I

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could add, and I'm not suggesting it needs to be added, but just going to what is uniquely Jupiter, you know, when we did Riverwalk, we made sure we had parking all along Riverwalk for that very reason that fundamentally the town's track record

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has always been that we think our residents should be able to brown bag it and enjoy a park without having to pay. And so really that just just reinforcing we've done that with Riverwalk. That's why Harborside has two hours of free parking.

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Um so this is consistent with that. So even if the county were to well this is you know it could come back again and this is our opportunity to uh emphasize you know our policy and I'm grateful for referencing

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the comprehensive plan um so that if if this is ever to be considered again then they would hopefully have some conversation with the town but we would be opposed and uh so with that I don't know if

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anybody else wants to comment about it. Um, >> I will say um that I was watching the board of county commissioners meeting and I did thank commissioner Marino for her position um reversing it, but um the

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understanding on the commission was that Jupiter residents wanted this and then when um the commissioner received over 2,000 emails, uh the course was reversed. So, you know, I think they may

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not know until we tell them. And so, I want to make sure we're telling them. And I think that it's helpful to share some of this information about how, you know, a one-sizefits-all approach doesn't necessarily fit in Jupiter and all the unique contributions we've given

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to beach reourishment, our approach to public access to the water in this town. Um, you know, this has come up in the past. I remember Dubo Park discussions before I was on council. I remember watching um you gentlemen up here but you know so it could come back again

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because it's it's you know come before and it's important that they have this context. I think we share it and a spirit of wanting to inform and help them make good decisions on behalf of all of us um especially in district 1 and in Jupiter but um no this is not

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something Jupiter wants. >> Did you say they thought Jupiter residents wanted >> correct? Where where in the world would they ever come up with that idea? >> The thought was so if you think about it like Palm Beach Gardens doesn't have a beach, right? Like a lot of building is happening in Palm Beach Gardens and a

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lot of visitors are coming to um our beaches, not just from Palm Beach Gardens, but other counties out of state. You mean to charge visitors or did >> the thought was um a lot there are a lot of out of you know if it's a county

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parking spot it has to have you can give discounts to county residents but you can't necessarily separate Jupiter in that you can't give there can't be tiered based on Jupiter and then county and then outside of the county. Um, so the thought was, you know, there's not

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enough parking because a bunch of people are visiting and taking it and maybe there would be more parking available if it were paid for the benefit of all. Um, >> I would say people that very strong response. >> They're they're going to they're going to pay for parking no matter what it is.

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The Jupiter Jupiter Beach, when I came on council, the whole vibe up here and I agreed with it was Jupiter Beaches are open and free. This is open and free. You know, I know there's different levels of um maintenance and who who controls what beaches. I know it's a

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county road, but uh to charge to for charge anybody use the beaches, I think is absurd. >> We can we can generate revenue elsewhere. So, >> but if you look at the social media conversation, I could see how there'd be misunderstanding because some people

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>> when they heard that uh oh, parking will be free for residents, oh no issue, we're fine. because then they think that, okay, they're going to be guaranteed a spot and we're not going to have as many >> out non-residents here, but they didn't stop to think about the practicality of

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how do you even implement that, >> correct? >> And and um and so what'll happen is people won't know to get a pass or whatever and you're still going to have that issue. But by and large, I saw people once they said free for residence,

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we're going to pursue it non-residents, people stood down and were happy. So that could send the wrong message. >> Yeah, >> we know better. >> That how do you even enforce that? How would you even do that? And even if you could, there's going to be many residents that are then not going to have the pass.

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>> Correct. >> Right >> now, they want to go to the beach with their kids >> or whatever family. And >> and so there is no practical solution. >> I can see where the chatter came from though on holidays when you can't find

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parking. So people get a little annoyed and it could be misrepresented what they've said. >> But the enforcement is also big like JPD enforces parking. So that's a lot of scope increase with or without our permission with funding associated with

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it. Um and there was a lot of talk on the commission about um tickets collecting on those tickets. Where does that money go? And it goes to the collecting agency. I think it could go to JPD. I'm not I'm that's kind of what I heard on the dis there and so then

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there was concern of okay well we need to make sure the sheriff can collect that and reactivate >> it just creates more >> it's going to be a lot of logistical concerns and up here in our part we have all these different jurisdictions which we've recently learned about. So if you apply a rule you're applying it to some

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small percentage of beachfront or parking and then 100 ft down the line you have another jurisdiction. So, it's >> regardless of uh uh charging for parking or not, during season, the pe beach is going to be very busy. You got to drive down to get there early, find a spot,

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wait for people to leave. Regardless if they're charging or not, it's not going to solve any issues. This is going to cost money to go to the beach. To me, it doesn't make any sense at all. It's there's a and you get to the point if you're just taxing tourists, you get to the point where you're gouging people too much from out of state to come here.

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And I bet there's there's probably a um a a limit to what people are going to put up with, but whatever. >> I think that, you know, the combination of the resolution and le letter covers everything, but to the degree they could get separated, I think there's just one

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condition I' or one topic I'd like added to the resolution, and that is about this being there. there'd be no feasible way to really, you know, allow it resonance but not others. Um, and I think that point needs to be driven home

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so it doesn't continue with some life >> that they think we're going to be satisfied that residents don't have to pay. There's no practical method and and then further um and this doesn't need to be added, but it it'll sit in my car like anybody else that was up here.

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might have been councelor Delaney that you know many years ago the sheriff when he didn't get the budget he wanted just said I'm not going to patrol parks anymore. >> Mhm. >> And uh when that happened I think our

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town manager was the police chief. We became we started to patrol county parks and know and have ever since. >> That's that's correct, mayor. As a matter of fact, I still remember sitting in my office and getting the call at about five or six o'clock at night and

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asking when is this going to start and they said tomorrow. >> And we didn't even have jurisdiction in those parks at the time. >> Yep. >> So, this is right along the same lines. And I can tell you right now, and I'm, you know, I'm not speaking for the chief. We've had these conversations.

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Um, he they don't have JPD does not have the capacity to go up and down writing tickets. along. >> No, understand and we wouldn't have any motivation to do so, but uh >> we're not going through. >> But when I read the RA calls that we're doing all this without funding, it

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reminded me just the fact that that was the sheriff's accountability. And to the degree they he has the privilege, different sheriff, just saying, "Okay, you don't give me the budget, I'm not going to patrol that anymore." Sad, but that's the way it was. Uh but

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you know but adding any language for that really doesn't serve any purpose other than might make me feel better but no purpose leave it out. But I think the resolution should just emphasize about this isn't feasible so that there's no

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misunderstanding that that's a significant point here. So any thought of continuing to consider it just you know we oppose So, mayor, do do you want us to bring this back or do you want to approve it?

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And then we'll >> do we have a motion with a >> I'm hoping to make the direction to add um >> the point. Can you remind it's it's 10:40 that not being feasible to to charge non-residents

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>> because it would it wind up residents would be adversely impacted that don't have a a ticket or way to demonstrate it or whatever >> in their own future. >> Before we go into a motion, I'd like to personally thank the town staff. I thought there was a quick turn on this

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letter and resolution. It's very professionally written and I think it captures both the concerns our residents and the town council's position relative to paid parking at parks. So, thank you uh >> uh Frank and your staff. This was a really a quick turn on this and it's

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really appreciated. >> Excellent job. >> So, we had a motion. You finished? >> Yes. Motion. >> I'll second. >> Motion a second. All in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. Motion carries unanimously. Moving on to reports. Town attorney.

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>> I'll be quick because you only have 12 minutes to your curfew. Uh we filed the nuisance complaint on the uh cat property on Friday. Service of summons has been arranged. We'll be filing a motion for preliminary

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injunction next week. Uh previously distributed to you with some talking points on station 16. um you're not compelled to talk with anyone about it, but if you choose to talk with any county commissioners about it, which was a suggestion made at an

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earlier meeting, then I hope you find those helpful. Um if you would like to call and discuss those before you discuss them with anyone else, uh that's fine, too. I'm always available to you. And I would hope that you would excuse

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me from Thursday's workshop since I could not determine that there were any particular legal issues involved in that workshop. >> Excused. >> Thank you. >> Hold on, >> councelor Gisinger. Oh, excuse me. Town manager.

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>> Thank you, Mayor. Um, we started off tonight with hearing some of our from some of our neighbors at Jones Creek. Uh just want to let you know I had about an hourong uh conversation today with Mr. Wentz about the project and we we've gone back and forth on a few things. I'm

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really not sure in his current condition what we can deliver um you know to to the residents that could change what has already been done. I did offer an opportunity for him to be involved at the next trimming which is in about 18 months to be involved on the front end.

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But just a couple of points in that conversation. If you remember, this this was a trimming project, not a dredging project. Um, there were, if I recall correctly, there were conversations when this was going on about dredging, but it

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was too costly and and the residents did not could not bear the cost or didn't want to bear the cost of that. And so um so really the purpose of this project was to address um you know the the water

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quality and uh and the desired outcome was to remove exotics, trim mangroves, clean up debris in the creek and um and so the Lockxahhatchee River District um as you know did an assessment based on

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the drone footage and they found some remarkable um results uh associated with that in including the fact that they confirmed there's a 100% increase in canopy openings. Um you know light reaching the

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creek surface more than doubled. You know the removal of extensive overgrown and flood and floating vegetation mats improved flushing and water flow and the area of visible water increased 100%

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from 1.7 acres to 3.4 acres. There's a whole list. I'll put it in Friday's report to to provide this information to you. Um, and so it just seems to me that based on my conversation, based on, you know, re reviewing everything that we've

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done, the LRD is an indep independent audit and came up with those results. you know, it unless the council wants us to do something different, I think we're meeting uh the desired outcomes of the plan and we'll continue to do so in the

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future with the caveat that we will uh include Mr. Wentz a little bit more proactively on the front end as we get ready for the next trimming if that's okay. >> That's the question. When does the contract or do you have a contract will end at some point?

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>> Um we have a contract now. I don't know what the date of the ending is, but I know we have another trimming coming up. So, um, and certainly if the council wants, we can cancel the contract or do whatever whatever you want to.

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>> I think that, um, just speaking for council, I' I'd like, you know, for you to in total give us some kind of report on that so we can have some dialogue, you both, you know, may perhaps individually oneonone. Um but um I think

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that for what I'm hearing from the residents and I agree with you it's been a very successful project but what I'm seeing both from the emails and what I heard tonight it's a fundament the biggest concern or

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one of the concerns is the fact that their interpretation of the contract was it was relaxed based on an opinion on the arborist that you didn't have to remove as much or it was harmful. And I remember reading that well if that's the

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case if the arborist felt no you and that's I'm sure it was also a contract condition that you would do less then the basis then that is part of the dis disconnect on expectations and then quite frankly if less is being

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done then the costs should be lower. Mhm. >> Um, so I do think that before we proceed and and we had discussed this with them and we went down this path. We said, "Look, we're we're investing whatever it was a half million dollars, whatever we did >> to do the initial one and then we were

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going to see how the trimming worked." >> Um, and so I just want to be convinced that I think because that was a part that we've seen in emails. Um so if you could address that particular issue and get back that is it possible that in one of the conditions by because I read it

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clearly in one of the responses the arborists and others said that you trim anymore you're doing harm and uh well then that made stock potentially you know shorter than

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what they were expecting. We heard that. Well, then if that was the case, is it not possible then that the amount gets reduced if it's less trimming? >> But that's just one of the things. But, you know, so this isn't an urgent followup, but it's a followup to engage

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us so we can decide whether or not, you know, to proceed with the next round of trimming or not. >> I'll get that information to you, mayor. I I'll just put it in the Friday report. You're you're you're exactly right. The arborist did play a role in this. >> Yeah. And so I'll get that to you on the Friday report and then I'll go over it

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in my one ones. Y >> um just a couple other quick things for me. Last Thursday the Questa Village Council approved an interlocal agreement for fire and EMS mutual aid with the town of Jupiter which is another big milestone. Uh this ILA will come before

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this council in August for approval. Um I also want to take a moment to congratulate the winners of the town's annual employee awards. I know the mayor and vice mayor were there. It was really a great a great celebration. Um but I I did want to acknowledge real quick the

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human resources department for winning team of the year. Uh senior director of community development Roger Held um was named the town's leader of the year. Tyler Alonszo was the first time uh who works in information systems uh

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department won the first ever first light award for brand new employees. And finally, congratulations to Sandy McCriedy from community relations for being named employee of the year. So really a great day. It was it was really just a remarkable ceremony. Reminder,

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next Wednesday, July 29th, the town will host its next connect with council over coffee event here at town hall in the community room at 9:00 a.m. And then just for information purposes, next week from Monday, July 27th through

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Wednesday, July 29th, the Jupiter Police Department and Jupiter Fire Rescue Department will be conducting joint active asalent training at Beacon Cove um elementary school. So, we do this every year in anticipation schools.

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And I think that's my cue. I'm getting a hook. Um, and so, uh, that'll be my report. Mayor, >> any, uh, significant items anybody wants to bring up. >> Seeing none, the time is now, uh, 10:56

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and we'll adjourn the meeting. >> Thank you. >> I don't know what's going on. I know he's back there. He's back.