I Making this announcement in compliance with the open public meetings act chapter 231 public law 1975 laws of the state of New Jersey. The burough clerk has prepared a schedule the meetings of the governing body of the bur of Kennallorth for the year 2026. The
burrow clerk has posted a true copy of the schedule on the bulletin board located at the front entrance of Burough Hall and has mailed true copies of the schedule to the local source and the star ledger and is maintaining a copy of the schedule in her office during the year
2026. Accordingly, the notice requirements of the open public meetings act have been satisfied in regard to this meeting. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Roll call. >> Mayor Carlo >> here. >> Councilman Bole >> here. >> Councilman Finestrella >> here. >> Council Jero >> here.
>> Councilman Morrow >> here. >> Councilman Sciz >> here. >> And Councilman Piper is excused. >> Okay. I'd like a motion to approve the minutes of December 3rd, 2025 and uh the executive session. Oh, and also December 3rd, 2025 and the executive session of
December 10th, 2025. Special meeting. >> Motion made by Councilwoman Gerardano Perno, seconded by Councilman Bole. Roll call. >> Councilman Bole. Yes. >> Councilman Finella. >> Yes. >> Councilman Gerardo Perno. >> Yes. >> Council Mororrow. Yes. >> Councilman Sciz.
>> Yes. and Councilman Piper is excused. >> Okay. I have a proclamation this evening. Uh human it's human trafficking prevention month. We all know how serious this issue is. Uh whereas human trafficking is a grave violation of human rights and one of the
fastest growing criminal enterprises in the world, exploiting millions of individuals, men, women, and children through force, fraud, and coercion for purposes of labor and sexual exploitation. Despite significant legal and policy
efforts, human trafficking continues to affect communities across the United States, including New Jersey. Victims may be of any age, gender, or background, and are often manipulated, threatened, or deceived into situations that strip them of their freedom and
dignity. Public awareness and education, especially when informed by the lived experiences of survivors, are critical tools in preventing trafficking, recognizing warning signs, and responding appropriately when exploitation is suspected.
Large-scale international efforts, including the FIFA World Cup, have been associated with increased risks of both labor and sex trafficking due to the heightened demand across multiple industries. In 2026, New Jersey will
host several World Club Cup matches and related events, bringing increased attention, visitors, and responsibility to communities throughout our state. In recognition of these risks, New Jerseys law designates January as human
trafficking prevention month and January 11th as human trafficking awareness day, underscoring the importance of year-round vigilance and community engagement. The Bureau of Kennaworth remains committed to protecting human rights, promoting individual dignity,
educating residents on the warning signs of human trafficking, and supporting survivor centered traumainformed responses. The bureau further recognizes and commends the work of the New Jersey Coalition Against Human Trafficking for its leadership in education, advocacy,
and survivor support. Now therefore, I, Linda Carloage, mayor of the Burrow of Kennorth, with the support of the Kennaworth Burough Council, do hereby proclaim January of each year as human trafficking prevention month in the Burough of Kennorth, County of Union,
State of New Jersey. And I call upon our residents, businesses, community organizations, and institutions to increase awareness, remain vigilant, and stand united in opposition to human trafficking in all its forms while supporting efforts that restore freedom,
dignity, and justice to survivors. In witness whereof, I here to set my hand and cause the seal of the burough of Kennaworth to be affixed this 21st day of January. And now I have some good things. Um we
have uh an exciting couple couple people that will be honored this evening. And the first one is our employee of the year uh Richard Lockxley. Tonight I have the uh privilege of recognizing
someone who truly represents the heart of public service in our community. Richard Richie Lockxley has served the Burough of Kennorth since June of 1987 in the Department of Public Works sanitation division for nearly 40 years.
Richie has shown up day after day with dedication, pride, and a quiet consistency that makes a real difference in the lives of our residents. Richie is more than a familiar face in our neighborhoods. He is someone people genuinely know and trust. When he is not on his route, residents often ask about
him. That kind of connection doesn't happen by accident. It comes from years of kindness, reliability, and treating people with respect. Within the Department of Public Works, Richie is known as someone you can always count on. He is hardworking, dependable, and
always willing to step up with extra help when extra help is needed. He never refuses a request and it is rare to see him without his trademark smile. Both our Department of Public Works superintendent and our burough administrator hold Richie in the highest
regard recognizing his strong work eth ethic, professionalism, and the pride he takes in serving Kennaworth. I share that sentiment and I know that our council and residents do as well. On behalf of the bureau of Kennaworth, the mayor and the council, and a very
grateful community, it is my honor to recognize Richie Lockxley as the 220 as the Yeah. 2025 employee of the year. Richie, thank you for your many years of service, for the example that you set, and for the care you bring to our
community every single day. Congratulations, and please join me in congratulating Richie with a well, APPLAUSE. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR, just for Big smiles. >> Greg.
>> Greg. >> Good luck. Nobody >> superintend. I was trying to get more >> an official photographer. >> Don't we have one? Very good. >> Show up for work tomorrow.
>> Thank you very much for this award. It's been my honor to work with you. They say you love what you do. You never work a day in your life. And it's ironic because this guy's on the back of the truck. say the same thing about me that
I've never worked a day in my life. But really, this award should go to my wife kids. They're uh I signed up for this, but they're the ones that, you know, were without me whenever I had to go plow or do whatever
I had to do. But um next to my wife and kids, this is the best thing that ever happened to me. job. >> Awesome. >> A >> thank you so much. Okay, there's more good stuff coming. So, when I was thinking about um the
volunteer of the year, you know, there's so many people in our community that do so much, but there's one person that popped in my head um almost immediately, and that was uh Maryanne Gasper, and I'm a proud to honor her. Her service has
made a meaningful difference in our community. Maryanne Gasper exemplifies the true spirit of volunteerism through her consistent dedication and willingness to serve wherever she's needed. Her commitment to Kennorth is
reflected in the many ways she supports our residents quietly and with a big beautiful heart. Maryanne has devoted her time to the Boy Scouts, helping to guide and support our youth while reinforcing the values of service, responsibility, and civic pride. She
also serves as a volunteer member of the Kennaworth Public Library Board of Trustees where she contributes to strengthening literacy, education, and community programming for all residents. In addition, Maryanne has been actively involved in charitable and community
outreach efforts through organizations such as the Kennorth Unico Chapter and St. Teresa's social concerns committee supporting food drives, fundraisers, and initiatives that assist our neighbors in need. Guided by generosity, humility,
and a genuine love for this community, Maryanne's service that has had a lasting and positive impact on Kennallorth. On behalf of myself and the Barrow Council and a grateful community, it is my pleasure to recognize Maryanne Gasper as a volunteer of the year. Thank
you, Maryanne, for your dedication and service to Art Barrow. All right. Ready? One, two, three. >> Thank you. Okay. >> And I'll just note that um we did not do a volunteer of the year last year. So we
are going to be doing that to make up for that. The person wasn't able to come this evening. So, >> okay. I'd like to move on to the finance committee >> uh for the report member. >> Y council moral. >> Sure. >> Uh okay. A few current activities to
report on that are going on in the finance department and some recaps of items on tonight's consent agenda. Uh first, uh the finance office and our auditors have been working on our annual debt statement and annual financial statements. That will come back to the
council once the reviews are done. uh our finance office, auditors and bond bond council, excuse me, have been working on our bond sale. Um we do have a related resolution for that tonight. That's 2650 and 51. Uh the sale of uh this bond will permanently finance our
existing debt, taking advantage of the expiring debt, and leveling off debt service for the next year, avoiding spikes to that debt service and the budget. Uh the bond sale will be a public bid to get us the best possible interest rate, and that's being voted on tonight. Uh resolution 2659 is
addressing the mandatory increase for minimum wage requirements. And finally, uh resolution 2666 is on tonight's agenda to ensure that we have construction code coverage for all of our inspections, especially the corewave and the onyx projects that we expect to
come up this year. Uh a little bit of an emergency measure here to get some staff in. Um and that's all from the finance committee tonight. >> Thank you, Councilman. Department of Public Works. Councilman Bole. Thank you, mayor. Uh, during December 2025, the department
incurred the following time off: 104 sick hours, 254 vacation hours, and 76 personal hours. During December, the department incurred 565 hours of overtime. Much of the overtime is snow plowing and salting for the two storms.
Uh, 125 tons of road salt was used. Uh, we disposed of 275 tons of trash for a cost of $22,000. Recycled 29 tons of co-mingled bottles and cans for $2,125. Recycled 48 tons of cardboard and paper
for a rebate payment of $717 to the burrow. The next bi-weekly burrow cardboard and paper recycling will be on Tuesday, January 27th. The next bi-weeklywide recycling of bottles, cans, and type 1 and two
plastics is Tuesday, February 23rd. And the facility is open on the second Saturday of every month from 7:00 a.m. to noon. The next open Saturdays will be February 14th and March 14th. And that's all I have. >> Thank you, Councilman. Department of Public Safety, Councilman Finestrella.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh for the month of December, Kennorth department police department responded to 1,361 calls for service and 249 911 calls. There were 326 hours of overtime for the month, and the OT breakdown is as
follows. 158 hours for scheduled patrol overtime, 108 hours of dispatch overtime, 18 and 1/2 hours of DB call in, 27 hours of SWAT call out, 4 and 1/2 hours in municipal court, and 10 hours
of arrive program. Kenworth Police Department completed 160 hours of training, issued 139 summones, and seven arrests for the month. There were 24 sick days, zero sick occurrence, and there were 16 on the job um
injuries, hours of 16 hours. Uh police department received 50 flock hot list alerts from the stationary cameras throughout the burrow. Uh message from the chief. Uh count police
department is requesting residents to work with count police department and the DPW during snowfalls with accumulation. We are aware that parking is difficult in several parts of town. Please follow B borrow ordinance on parking during snowfall. Please move
your vehicles after snowfall to avoid becoming snowbound. The KBD KPD officers are issuing summones to snowbound cars and vehicles parked for extended periods. Please clear snow off your vehicles to ensure safe driving for you and other drivers. Uh please notify the
Conro Police Department to report a complaint or nuisance. We can't help if we don't know about it. And that's all I have. Mayor, >> thank you, Councilman. Planning and zoning. Councilman Scarice. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um December was quite
month for construction permits. Only 27 applications taken in, 33 permits issued in December. uh 2000 Gap Road also known as the little M property nest currently now it's keeping our inspector super busy
going be a lot of flow permit coming from there one code enforcement one complaint uh two notice violations issued one for offense one is um failure to remove a gibo u
from this process we got seven applications rece for December gas. Um in another main market street, Fairfield Avenue, South 31st Street, West Serot
as far as finances, uh total fees for December, $13,557. Building fees $13,784. Trust state fees 98. Uh miscellaneous 1365
road opening fees 11,500 and 5,000 for foreclosure and vacant abandoned meetings. And that's all I have to report. >> Thank you, Councilman. Uh recreation and fire. Does anyone have >> Council Councilman Mororrow has Councilman Piper's report?
>> Okay. Thank you, Mayor. Um, for wreck, uh, no report, but I know basketball is in full swing and if you're ever in need of something to do for 45 minutes and you want to see the most heart put into about 22 points total score for the entire game, uh,
that's where you want to be, Harding Gym. Um, it's like every Tuesday and Thursday, uh, pretty much. >> So, boys are Tuesday and Thursday, girls are Monday and Wednesday. >> I I do not lie. The most heart you ever see in 45 minutes is on that court at every single game. Um, for the fire
department, I do have uh Chief Scaderi's report. During the month of December, the fire department responded to 38 calls. During these incidents, the fire department traveled 104 miles and utilized 115 man-hour. The fire department rescue squad responded to 44
calls, traveling 584 miles and utilized 380 man-hour. During the month of December, the fire department and rescue squad completed 72 hours of training. Additional manhour utilized uh for the month include the following. 275 for
administrative work. Uh 1426 related to stipens. Uh 25 on building maintenance. 15 for vehicle maintenance. 28 for the rescue squad administrative uh uh function. And no small feat and greatly appreciated 408 hours going into the
Santa Express. Uh that is one hell of a service that you provide for the kids in this town. Thank you. Uh total calls for the month uh were at 82. Total miles traveled with everything 688. Total manh hours uh 2744. Thank you, mayor.
>> Thank you. Health, education, and welfare. Councilwoman Gardano Perno. >> Thank you, Mayor. uh this the past couple of meetings uh for January for board of ed health and library were reorg meetings so they're kind of quick
um and not much uh new business uh handled. However, I want to remind everybody especially in this cold weather, our library does have a vast array of activities for children and adults both during the day and in the
evenings. you should go online or call them or stop in. It's a great place. There's so many um new activities that they are presenting and a lot of renovations have been done there in the last couple of months. It's really a
beautiful um spot to go to get out of the house a little bit, but of course in the cold weather uh you're not walking the boulevard. And the same with the senior center. I want to remind everybody next Thursday is the American Revolution Gala at Angelo Steakhouse.
$65 and I think we there's still tickets available, right? >> So you could either uh come to Burough Hall and get your ticket or at the senior center. Um and >> they have till the 23rd
>> till the 23rd. Till the 23rd. So, I believe they had uh space for 75 and there are still seats available. And uh let me think, is there anything else? No, I don't think so. So, that's all I have. >> Thank you, Councilwoman. Uh burrow
engineer. >> Thank you, mayor. Uh just a couple updates. Um not much going on this time of year. Um the uh you know we awarded the contract for the sidewalks board sidewalks. Um we have all the paperwork in hand bonds contract assurance
certificate at this point. We just need the weather to break. So as soon as the weather turns we can get them in right away. There's nothing delaying that. Uh all the paperwork's in order. Uh the paving on Monroe Avenue also got delayed because the weather obviously that's
getting all ready to go. We have all the bonds uh you know paperwork's long order just got once the weather breaks we can we can start that also um the walking path of the Mario substantially complete again due to the time of year they weren't able to do the restoration uh
along the side of the path which is just replanting the grass. Uh we're doing what's called a uh to reinforce earth. It's a mesh that goes into the grass which allows uh vehicles to drive on it. Uh so that will be done again at the spring. Um and we also we've just
continually answering um or responding to complaints for them again regarding flooding and drainage. Um you know they just come in on a regular basis. We address them as they come in. Uh we work with DPW trying to evaluate what's going on. Uh unfortunately
a lot of these are just a function of um capacity in the system. uh got the function of again we've talked about this a 100 times the levels of the stream uh you know when the stream rises a lot of times it searchcharges through the pipe gets into the street and again there's really nothing we can really do
with that. So you know we look to see if there's anything physically going on a clash basin a collapsed pipe um something like that because if it's something physical going on we can fix that. Uh but things like again just uh capacity large storms rising streams
again as we've discussed there's not much we can do with that. So but you know we we look at them as they come in we respond to them and see if there's anything that can be done. So um we don't we don't get we don't um leave them hanging. We look at them see what if anything can be done. Uh sometimes
you can sometimes you know you can't. Depends on on what's going on. So do >> we have an update on the sidewalks? What's that? >> Sidewalks. Yes. >> When will they they're they're still supposed to be getting done in the spring, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. They're they're Yeah, they're they're all set up to go. Um
it's been awarded again. We have the their bonds insurance contract that's in place. Just a matter of weather. So, you know, >> soon as the weather's good, they can come. There's nothing holding them up at this point. They're good to go. >> Okay, great. >> Yeah, we'll get them. And um as you
know, it was awarded um to AAR once we've done the work previously. So, we're pretty confident they'll do a really good job. >> Yeah, they do. They are good. Okay, >> Tony. Um, cold weather, does that affect the striping that we need to do over at the senior center? I realize snow would >> unfortunately. Yeah, that's going to get
delayed till we get uh the snow's gone. I mean, it can be done in a certain not like too cold. If it's high 40s, you know, we can probably do it. If it's freezing, you probably don't want to do it. >> We might have to wait till April. >> Yeah, it's probably have to wait. I mean, if the snow melts, we get a warm
spell, we can do it. But at this point, we're getting more snow. It's not look like it's melting anytime soon. So, we we try to get that in before the weather, but um there just didn't get in. So, as soon as that that's another one, as soon as the weather breaks. Uh but that's one. If there's a even if
it's the snow melts, we get a warm week, we can get in there. Long as the weather's temperature isn't like 45 plus, we could probably still do we could do it. Just can't be stuck on the ground. And this contractor is coming back to do it over, not for another fee.
>> No, no fee. No additional fee. There was a just a It has to be adjusted. He understands that. There's no no additional fee. He was he was ready to come back and do it. He just couldn't get it scheduled for the snow. So, no. Okay. No additional fee tomorrow. >> Thank you. No problem.
>> That's all I have. >> Thank you. >> I got a question. Regards to flooding. Is there possibility probably rerouted? I know everything drains into these little streams that they way full capacity. Um, and now we're saying that the the residents have to clean up
themselves, but is there a way I mean like nothing really ties into the ballpark? Is that is that like a large mirror? Is that something possible in the future? Maybe could give a little stream some week or something. >> It depends on the pitch. You know, anything that if it drains anything that
drains away from the boulevard would would be great to get it into the boulevard. It just depends on elevation wise. Um, keep in mind the boulevard is that's a county system. So, we would have to get permission from the county to tie anything in. Uh, if the
water if they probably would be very um reluctant to want to take additional flow that's not going in there now. So, if we were trying to divert water that wasn't going into their system currently, take that water, put it in there, they would be be reluctant. But, I mean, it's
always a possibility. It would be pretty a task though I think but um may be the only solution. >> Yeah. I mean this question came up probably 10 years ago and uh you know there's what could be done you know
globally or the problem is everything drains to ultimately go to the railway river. um once once the level of that river rises it just there's no river water. So even if we were, you know, put
a whole new system in, run out, run into the river, it's the river rises, it searchcharges through the pipe. It's it just it's nothing. There's nowhere for it to go. Um that that's the problem. Um again, I said before, the ultimate solution here is is if they ever can
implement a uh flood control project for the entire basin. Uh and you know, that's been a discussion for 10 years. And you know that that's that's really the solution if they can ever get that get that done lower the lower the flood level of the
river which will basically allow all these systems to drive. So you're saying coordinate South Mountain with all these other like the less cuz they seem to release randomly like and it actually caused flooding one time. South Mountain must have released a lot of water and we
were fine but they had waited a little longer. maybe they couldn't and they kind of released it and it's like it flooded the way after the event. >> Nobody was like where did all this water come from? >> Yeah. Part of the solution is to um drop the level of the reservoir prior to an
oncoming storm, right? So if there's a large storm predicted there were a hurricane event. The plan was to drop the level of the reservoir that would create storage. So all that water can be stored in the reservoir and not be sent downstream. And that that's part of the
plan. Again, never plan was never never fought that bill. >> Where does the law begin? It's just funding. But how do we revive? >> It's funding. It was funding. It was first proposed on the federal level. >> They dropped it. They wouldn't fund it. Then it was attempting at the state to
fund it. Uh the mayor, I know you were a lot of those discussions also. Just it just kept >> getting dead dead ended. Uh it's funding. I mean, it's design. They know what to do. The core of engineers spent years studying it, their alternatives. They came up, >> everyone along the river agreed. We finally had a plan.
>> Yeah. >> And the funding was dropped on a federal level. >> That's the problem. You know, they've never figured out how to get funded. That would be the that's the sol that's the solution. And I tell people that, you know, >> pressure your uh you know, pressure your
representatives. Try to get it uh you know, try to get that funding in place. >> Tony, that funding was uh cancelled a few years ago. >> Yeah. It was never put in place actually. In other words, they the core came Army Corps came up with this plan. They put a dollar figure on it. I forget
what it was. It wasn't cheap. >> Um, but never could get it never could get Congress to agree to to, you know, to allocate the the funds. So, the funding was never actually in place. It just never got never got there. >> Do you know if any of our congressional reps along the river here are making a
case for this? >> Yes, they are. >> Which ones? Cuz those are the ones I think we want to call. >> Yep. I know Cy Booker is I know I know Cy Booker is Malinowski had his finger on the pulse on this and that and then
he lost the election. That really was when it stopped pretty hard and I know Cy Booker has picked up picked it up again but I don't know how much Malinowski was driving it really hard. >> I've reached out to Cy Booker just sending a constituent email to him. no
response. Um, but he usually comes months later. Uh, if there is a list of any congressional reps or Senate reps that are pushing for this on behalf of the constituents in New Jersey to represent, I'd like to know who they are. If you have the list, I because it would be great for all of us to tell
them what's going on. It It's a regional problem. We'll take a regional solution. At that point, we need the federal funds. >> Yeah, I agree. I mean every I tell even residents should be you know should be putting pressure you know share that with them
>> I tell people when people you know call me I got to talk to them about the plugging and all that I tell them like this is where the solution is >> right >> call your representatives tell them you know we we need this we need this put in place I mean it's a lot of money but in the grand scheme of things it's really
not considering you know >> New Jersey gives more than we get back It's time time to make the calls. >> And the amount of money that's spent by by the federal government, I mean, this project is is a drop in the bucket at the end of the day. I know it's it's I forget what the number was, like 100 million. >> It's a lot.
>> It was a lot of money, but a lot of money for a town, not a lot of money for, you know, the federal government >> 100%. >> A lot of money to spend probably a lot of things, not stupid things, and this was really a project that really was important important to a lot of people.
I agree. I I can, you know, I can let you know. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh what's the official name? Rowway River. Uh Rowway River. >> Rowway Valley. >> Yeah. >> Uh River >> River shed. I have it in my phone.
>> Yeah. There's actually that website still up. I know it was up. >> And Dan Ashen back in Kennorth. I mean in Cranford really spearheads it. >> I I'll have it. I have it. Uh >> I have it too. Pull it up. >> Distributed to everybody actually. Just information. It's a little dated now.
They haven't really updated it lately, but it'll show you >> railway river flood mitigation. >> It's sitting there. It's on the shelf. I mean, it could be it could be implemented. You know, it's designed. They know what to do. Know how to do it. >> Um, Army Corp, they know what to do. You know, they're good with this. They know
what to do. But it's all down. >> Uh, one last question. Um, remember I know over summer we talked about uh Sixth Street there was a pipe that might be collapsed and it's causing flooding on Six Street. Did you guys ever get a chance to look at it? Is it is the pipe
collapsed? You run the camera there? I haven't got a chance to get to >> those. I wasn't aware of that one but yeah. Yeah, there's in the middle of Sixth Street, there's only two grates, no other grates, none on Seventh Street,
that drains into like a 14inch pipe, and there's a low spot uh in the property, which maybe it's collapsed, which could be causing it to back up cuz it never backed up as bad as it's done now. >> Okay. >> Like a river crested, which obviously back, but it's
>> as the street flows and it's just not even reaching the stream. So, it could be. I mean if it is then you know at least with that little subsection issue can be okay. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Uh brow attorney. >> I have no report. >> Okay. Thank you. Administrator. Burrow administrator. >> Thank you mayor. The 2026 license review for all personnel authorized to operate burough vehicles is currently underway. The $50,000
county infrastructure grant closeout report has been submitted and approved by the county. The onboarding with the burough's new IT services provider, NSG, is progressing well, and the owner, John Luchich, will provide a status update during executive session this evening. Um, I was able to identify and apply for
a community challenge grant. Um, again, I'm kind of chasing funding for the um propo proposed greetings from Kennallorth mural for the side of the wreck building. that's going to be announced probably I think that was in May. So, I'll keep
everyone posted on that one. Um, I reached out to the rec department and the rec committee for input for the upcoming local improvements grant submitt. Once I get their information in and start to formulate a plan, it'll go to the finance committee because that's a matching grant. And um, with support,
there'll be a resolution on for the next meeting uh, authorizing the submittal of the grant. See if anyone's interested in purchasing Amrav 250 challenge coins or tickets for the gala. Please see me after the meeting. And lastly, if there's no objections, I'm requesting approval for
the Kennallorth Historical Society to hold its annual Sup fundraiser at the senior center on March 19th to conduct the communitywide garage sale on October 3rd and 4th with a customary waiver of the garage fe uh sale fees and for the senior center to host a Valentine's Day
senior line dance on January 31st. and the senior arts and crafts show on May 17th in conjunction with the street fair. Is everybody okay with that? >> I'm okay with that. >> Garage sale. >> And that concludes my report. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Uh, next for council consideration is the consent agenda consisting of resolutions 26-49 through 26-66. >> Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> Uh, one one item before that. Laura, were you going to explain the Eagle Scout project that was on the consent
agenda tonight? >> Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, yes, there is an Eagle Scout project on for this evening approval. I do have the Eagle Scout here if anybody would like to ask him any questions. But the project itself is to
purchase and assemble benches from Kit and to be installed along the new walking path that was recently installed at Deario Park. >> Nice. Very nice. Sounds like a good project. >> Yeah, >> it's a great great project. Thank you. >> Okay.
>> Sorry, mayor. >> Nope. Thank you. Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> Motion. Second. >> Motion made by Councilman Finnish. Seconded by Councilman Marorrow. Roll call. >> Councilman Bole. >> Councilman Finella. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Verano Perno. Councilman
Mororrow. >> Yes. >> Councilman Sciz. >> Yes. >> And Councilman Piper is excused. Motion passes. >> Okay. There is an ordinance for introduction. uh prior to that ordinance there there hasn't been any council discussion on this ordinance uh before
tonight. So I know that there's several people including myself have some questions. So just so everyone understands what we're talking about. It's an ordinance that clarifies and standardizes the rules for storing recreational vehicles in residential zones by allowing one owner occupied RV
property per RV per property requiring it to fit entirely on the driveway or rear yard stay out of the sidewalk and comply with size limits to protect neighborhood safety and residential character. So um so currently
uh we allow uh 18 ft by 10. Uh the proposed ordinance would allow a 38T type by 15 vehicle. >> Um >> yeah, if you don't mind. Um this this ordinance did come from me so I can give you a little background on what's going
on. Um the current size restrictions are not the size of RVs. I don't know when they possibly were, but when you look at something like a Dodge Ram pickup truck, it's currently at 19 ft, which is longer uh than what we currently had as an RV,
which doesn't really make sense. We all know what recreation vehicles would look like. They're somewhat large. These were not RVs that we had inside the organ. >> Can I just stop you that this also includes boats and and trailers just so everyone knows >> it's
>> it's not just >> ordinance. >> The self-propelled recreational vehicle is you're saying includes boats in the same boat and vans, >> but we're only revising paragraph C of said ordinance, so it only applies to the recreational vehicles. We weren't
really touching anything other than the >> So, it's only going to apply to a an RV. >> An RV. Okay. Correct. Okay. >> Yeah. And you can you can drive around town and you know, I don't I'm not putting anybody on the spot, but with the current height and length requirements that we had in the
ordinance, we have people violating these things. And, you know, I'm a resident here in town and I would love to have an RV and I wouldn't want to make the mistake of buying one and then violating the policy. And it looks like a lot of people have already done something like that. So, what we were doing here was trying to have the
ordinance match what average RVs actually are uh in today's day and age. So, that's where the height and the length requirements are coming from. Uh the notation that we're adding here is actually a clarification about where they may be parked. There are two
current ordinances or or sections of our code that apply to where an RV can be parked. And Greg, I don't know if uh Mark's given you background on this, but I may need to call an audible and have you explain this, but it seems like there's a section that applies to all vehicles where they can be parked in permitted parking spaces. And the the
code goes on to explain what a permitted parking space is. What we're trying to do here is ensure that these vehicles are in those permitted parking spaces, which would not include the sidewalk or touching out into the street. So, while we're going to allow for the larger
vehicles, recreational vehicles, they have to solely be on the property of the homeowner here. So, nothing is now getting into what would be the sidewalk or uh street parking. There's nothing we're doing to change the rear yard uh
on the grass permission that's given here. I'm not sure anybody's doing that now. I wouldn't be in the back of their homes to see them. Uh, but it just seems that if you have an RV and you want to park it in the back of your house, we already gave you permission for that. We already gave you permission to park it on the side of the house. This just
clarifies it cannot extend into the the sidewalk because of these length requirements. Now, >> so I do have a question though. 38 ft is longer than your average driveway. So, how would they accomplish that? If you
have a 20ft setback, your driveway is 20 25 ft. So, you would not be able to park that RV on your property. So, that that resident would be in violation of the the ordinance here. So, I don't know if they should be buying one of these RVs if they don't have space on their
property to put them. >> So, why are we going? So, because at 18 ft, you're allowing that twoft right of way for sidewalks or whatever or visibility of your neighbor pulling out of their driveway.
>> That's my question. allowing another 20 ft. >> We're not allowing any RVs to extend past the person's driveway. So, if you're in a situation that you're describing where it's a 20ft driveway and you've purchased a 38T RV, you have to find a place to park that. You cannot
park that in that driveway. And that's why we made that clarification here that uh the vehicle cannot extend past the driveway into the sidewalk for that exact scenario, Tony, that you're bringing up. >> Yeah. So, I'm just curious, why are we going 38? I have a question. >> I don't know anybody in Coworth that has a 38T driveway.
>> I do. Um, it's happening. >> So, what h how does this apply to homes that don't have sidewalks? Because there's a lot of them. Most of the properties on the south side of town do not have sidewalks. So, now you have a
in essence a vehicle that's parked all the way up to the street. So, how does that work when a neighbor wants to pull out of their driveway and how there's it blocks their visibility? So, I think that this works if there's sidewalks, but if there has to be some kind of
provision for homes that don't have sidewalks, and technically 10 ft off the curb is a barrel rightway, whether it's your driveway or not, it's still the barrel rightway. So, nothing should be parked from the curb to 10 ft up to your
property. So there's a separate portion of our code that deals with the things that you're talking about and we are not changing that. So you have to read this in conjunction and maybe Greg this is where I'll ask you maybe to come in and explain some of that. This can't be read inside of a capsule because what we're
saying here is that it needs to be in a permitted parking space. what you're describing is somebody not parked in a permitted parking space because if it's on the burrow right away or if extending out into the street or even the sidewalk, you're you're violating the other section of >> Well, if it isn't, it could possibly
even with the 38 ft. If you have a driveway and you have a 4ft sidewalk and 2 feet of median between the sidewalk and the street, that first four feet of your driveway is the burrow rightway. I I
mean, look, I I have a basketball hoop on my first four feet of my driveway, and the burrow does not own that basketball hoop, and I'm not saying I've looked in code to see if I'm able to put it there. Uh, but I I would represent the resident in this situation and say, >> "So, how do we enforce this? What's the
rules for people that don't have a sidewalk? Can this vehicle be parked all the way to the end of their driveway, which in my case, in my house, is the street. my driveway. I have no sidewalk. >> Well, the way this is written is that
the vehicle can >> be parked so long as it's lawfully parked where it's allowed to be parked. >> So, if there's a sidewalk, it's clear that it cannot infringe upon the sidewalk. If there's no sidewalk and that part is part of the parking area,
then under this ordinance, it would be allowed to park there. But I think what Bill is saying, there's a separate ordinance which addresses that issue and the two have to be read in conjunction. I think I I'm I just want to understand if someone has a 38 foot RV and they
have a sidewalk and someone on that doesn't have a sidewalk wants to buy the same RV. How are they allowed to then park all the way to the end like you're saying that 4T of your basketball hoop? So, you're using that property. Are we also
allowing the people that don't have sidewalks to use that right away for their >> I I'm not sure that what you're you're talking about is really specific to the RVs because I you know plenty of places in town I've seen two pickup trucks one in front of the other in a smaller driveway like you're describing and
these are 18 to 20 foot beds on the back of these and they're extending out. So this is this is a this is not this ordinance. This is the one that's two pieces above it in the code and I don't have the exact number. I have it. I don't know how we're going to enforce it
if it's not being enforced already because they're being parked in driveways when they're not supposed to be two that I know of. But they're not big like that. They're maybe the size of an SUV. It's a smaller, you
know, you you would pull over. That's a good question. >> It's not that high. I mean, you're going it's almost like you're into the second floor. >> If five people on the same block have a 38 foot RV, what does the neighborhood look like? >> Well, I you know, I could tell you that it's happening already. I could tell you
that I don't think that we're going to have a flood of folks buying RVs out there. >> Well, I'd rather get in front of it to sort of protect the residents that are buying things to keep on their property. I, you know, as a libertarian, I think that that's the right way to look at it. >> Think about it, Billy. If you're saying it's happening already, so people are
already violating the law where it's a smaller vehicle and now >> No, it's not a smaller vehicle. Uh what's happening already this size? I am also not aware of any complaints made to code enforcement because of it. >> Of course, because we're nice neighbors, right? But now we're changing it and
saying you could go 18 ft high and 38 ft long. >> 15 ft high. 38. Yeah. But >> 18 >> 15 >> the court the ordinance we're voting on tonight is 38 >> 15 to 38 we're now 18 ft long and 10 ft
high. So we're going 5 ft higher and 20 ft longer. >> Yeah. Like I said these are these are the RVs of today. So in 2026 if you're going to be buying an RV and you're looking at the averages >> where to park it. >> Yeah. See >> it's going to snowball. Well, can I can
I play devil's advocate and ask you if we had uh one of those Mercedes Sprinter vans that are this size? Like what what would we be saying at that point? >> FT long. >> You could buy them where they're pretty long. And >> I don't think they're 15. >> No, because it does >> they're over 10 ft high. That that
that's the thing that this current ordinance, the way it was written, would would not work for common SUVs that you buy today, like a a suburbanized vehicle. They're big, they're long. the extended bed caps
>> 20 ft not 38 I mean it's because we have in E it talks about limousines that shall not be not exceed 25 ft in length for on residential premises but
they're also not you know 15t high 18t high 15 I'm sorry I mean 15 you're in the second floor of somebody's window that's big >> I don't disagree Um, >> but they're already here. Like that's the thing.
>> I have not seen any RVs this size. I mean, maybe um >> 38. >> No, I haven't. >> You could drive around and and pay attention and look and you'll see them. >> So maybe maybe a small one. >> Why are we moving the bar instead of enforcing the audience? >> Well, because I think that people work
hard and people want to buy themselves toys and things like that. And I don't think we should have restrictions in our town. It's It's not something like having jet skis that you're going to use maybe once in a while. It's an RV. Uh this is where I think >> there all winter long. So every time you
have a snowstorm, it's piled up on there and your neighbor next door can't see. >> I I I know of a few places in town where it's happening already. You can hardly see them. It seems that you all didn't notice them as you were driving by these very popular streets. um where it's not
a problem that I'm aware of. I'm just uh pointing that out because just because we're going to extend the length requirements and the height requirements, I do not expect a flooding of RVs to be showing up in town. This is a purchase that you would really spend time and thought to make. It's not like
us changing this ordinance is going to flood the streets with them. So, I I won't I won't really think they'll there'll be a reaction like that. I think what we would wind up doing >> is looking to do that. So, that's why this came up. What if somebody says, "I want to put my boat there. I want to put
I have a uh 22 foot pontoon." >> But we have separate codes for that, right? >> No, it's right in the same place. >> It's not what we're revising, though. >> What? >> It's not what we're revising. >> But I could come up and say, "Hey, now I want to start parking boats there." And
>> and we should talk about it, right? >> A truck. >> Well, I mean, I don't think it's fair to say that you can park an RV there and not a boat. I mean, that's not fair to say that. That would be >> So why is it fair to say that you can have a large Sprinter van but not an RV? That would have to be smaller than a
large not 38 ft. That >> So the current requirement again is 18 ft smaller than a Dodge Ram and the current height requirement is 10 smaller than a Sprinter. >> So maybe could we have conversation of of possibly putting I don't know 25 ft.
>> So where would you be pulling that number from? Because 38T is the average for the RV. It's they they extend to be far 35 to 40 when you do your quick checkping. >> Okay. >> So that that's what this number is really rooted in the sort of the common
features of an RV if you were to buy them today. >> So we didn't really kind of just grab these. Uh but we're happy to talk about them. >> Resident on 17th Street and she had one of these and she had a parking. There was a place when you when she bought it
that the um the dealer had a place where you park your RV for the months that you're not using it and they service. I kind of like when you storage and you pull your boat out. I just think it's an issue because we also
have um when I started reading about it, you have people with vans with 10 ladders stacked on top parked in front of their house that when you're coming down the street and making the turn and there's two commercial vans with ladders
start stacked on top, you can't see around the corner. So, we're not enforcing and we start moving the barometer is my only fear. It's, you know, >> I don't know what the requirements are for the >> we all want to keep. >> I don't know what the requirements are
for the vans that you're describing, but us not changing this doesn't do anything to those. >> 18 and 10. That was the for trucks, vans, recreational vehicles. >> Well, I think we should look at that, too, because again, the Dodge Rams 19 ft when you're buying it straight out of
the factory. Um, and then the extended cabs are even longer than Maybe we should we should revisit this and let's take a look at all of that and let's take a look at boats and and how big is you know >> it could be whatever you want your boat to be >> right I mean I you know I can't imagine
a 38T boat in someone's driveway but >> exactly >> you know I think that it's only fair to say that if you're going to allow an RV >> somebody's going to so what if you what if you had this requirement apply to the driveways along the side of the house. So, cuz I can hear your your concerns
are that it's going to be in the front and extending out into the the street. >> I just also think it's unsightly >> if it's on the side of the house. >> I mean, cuz if you're on the side, >> this is where I would disagree and I would want to use my property the way I want to use my property. >> I mean, the side of the house to me is definitely more palatable
>> than the the the front of the house. >> I think that I you know, >> but somewhere you're somebody's neighbor, >> right? Then there's a neighbor, right, that's going to walk out of their side of the door and your RV is going to be there.
>> Um, last motor home is 30 to 40 ft. Average is 35 ft. >> A van, camper van is 22 ft. So, >> I mean, you can buy any buy a fifth wheel one so that when it's unhooked from >> Well, camper van is to me, I take that
same thing as an RV. >> Put a limit on it in a certain property. You're not going to do the work. curious. Now, older houses, they're they have a maybe a garage in the backyard, so they have a long drive, right? >> So, maybe >> that's more palatable for sure. I think
>> only those properties will be able to utilize this change if you have a like a like duplexes that became two cars before they're not parking in there. No way. >> Yeah. >> So, it's only only a few people can benefit if they have that property. So, we're trying to address the unsightliness of it being stuck in front
of the house where it's extending out into the street because that's a violation of some separate code. The >> same thing with boats. I mean, if you don't have the length of your >> But it's We're not saying that it has to be on the side. We're saying that it's >> the way this is. >> We We can add that through motion right now.
>> 25 ft. It's not going to fit. >> So, older house, if you have a side property and your driveway goes down the side, >> then you could you could stick it in. So then could we say that it's allowed as long as it's in on the side
um side or back of your house, right? That makes sense, right? >> That's how it was in the back of your >> Well, it only allowed the back of the house on grass. So if you had a patio back there or any black top, it actually violated this ordinance. It was out of date.
>> Um so that needed to be addressed. So, >> so what about saying >> so I see what you're saying. If you have a long driveway that goes all the way to the back of your house, I mean, I grew up in a house like that. And you could easily have parked something like this
in in the house I grew up in on 22nd Street back to the garage and it would not I don't know how the neighbor over there would would like that in their backyard. But you could have done that and I don't even think it would have hit
where the house begins. There was a decent amount of property back there. So, um, but that definitely is more attractive than having these big RVs and boats and everything parked all over the place. So,
um, could we make that kind of revision where it's it has to be in the back of your house? Like it can be parked on the driveway as long as it's in the back of your house >> side to back. >> Well, it would be like I would not be able to get a vehicle into my backyard.
I've got a fence back there. We've got a pool. So, I have to have a fence back there. And it's not a fence to get cars into. So, I would be sensitive to that just how this would apply in a practical situation. But the side of the house, I hear what you're saying. And if we we could motion
>> and that'll also also prose >> help the situation where people that don't have sidewalks and they're not plopping like in my neighborhood this big RV >> right >> in their driveway and you can't even see down the street because when you look down you see this big RV.
I mean I'm I'm looking at them online now and that's big in the front of your house or in your driveway. Not in the front of your house in your driveway. I mean, 38 ft is long, but I agree with Billy. I mean, the average SUV is 18 ft,
19 ft, >> but it's not as high. It's not as bulky. Now, you're adding another 20, >> almost another 20 ft. >> It's a house. >> Some Some capes in town are 38 ft long. You're putting another house.
>> That's my only concern. I would not think if you're buying one, you figure out where to park it. I would be open to having this revised uh through a motion to talk about it specifically being uh the side of the driveway as a permitted parking space
for these not front driveways. >> It wouldn't fit in the front driveway. >> Well, that's I think the point, right? That if it's a 20ft driveway, it's going to extend out further. So the side of the driveway >> like on Sheridan they have >> I'm just thinking about you know where
our drive the driveway butts up right to the neck person's property and someone walks outside their house. I mean obviously this is not going to be an issue for anyone that has a lot of property but most people in Kennorth do not have a lot of property. So, if
someone's walking out their side door and there's this RV right there, um, you know, I I could see people not being happy about that. However, I am definitely I definitely like the side of the property better than the front.
Definitely. You know, I don't think it's that attractive to see these big vehicles. And I and I agree with you. I don't think we're going to have a run on RVs. However, it isn't attractive. I feel the same way about boats in
people's yard. You know, it just isn't >> down the shore. >> It doesn't down the shore, right? All over the place. Everyone has a boat right now on their front lawn. >> Um, however, it's a water community, so I you know, we don't have that kind of
demand here for that. I don't think we have a great demand for these RVs either. >> Well, we had a couple years ago where somebody had a boat on their commercial property and they were told to take it off. >> Yes, I remember. >> And then they put it on their lawn.
>> Yes. >> And then it had to come off of there. So, >> yeah. >> I'm just, you know, if it's all in one uh code and we change one, it's going to open the floodgates. Mayor, if I may,
um, chapter 120 is a land use ordinance. So, anything that's introduced here tonight, tomorrow, whatever, also needs to go to the planning board. They have 30 days to review it and make the recommendations to make sure it's compliant with um, >> Right. But I I understand. Thank you. I just want to make sure that what we're
sending is something we're all >> we're all in agreement about or or at least we've we've come to the conversation or had the conversation where, you know, we've worked out all the kinks or the questions that >> Well, how about this? Why couldn't the
person who wants to buy that vehicle and thinks they have enough space to house it go to the planning board like you would if you want to enlarge your driveway or put up a shed and present
your case and then have it decided there. So, it's on a case-bycase basis and we don't change it. >> I think we should ask our attorney, Greg. Would we be able would a would a resident be able to go to the planning
board for a variance on the size of a vehicle to park on their property? >> A variance is basically in its simplest terms a deviation from the zoning ordinance. So, if you have an or a zoning ordinance, that's the important part. If you have the zoning ordinance
that prohibits something and you're looking for a deviation from it, depending on the type of variance, it if it's a C variance, it would go before the planning board. If it's a D variance and there's six of them, one of which is a use, it goes before the zoning board. When you go before those boards, what happens is depending on the type of
variance, the um applicant has the affirmative has to get the affirmative relief. But when you go before a zoning board which has D variances, you need five affirmative votes. when you go for bulk variance which could be granted by either a planning board zoning board you
need basically the majority of the form. So the answer is an absent can seek a variance if it violates the zoning ordinance. However, that burden may switch depending on the type of variance it needs. >> For this specific portion of our code,
would it apply to what you're saying where they can it is a zoning ordinance and they can go >> here? It would most likely be a D1 use area because the use would not be permitted. It's not a bulk where you're saying you need 15 ft side yard, 10 ft
front yard. >> An argument turn into a D1 use variance because the use itself even though it's permitted to a certain extent, it's not permitted entirely. And then if that's the case, they'd have to go before the zoning board, not the planning board. And then they would need
um five affirmative votes. believe our zoning and planning are the same, right? We've merged all that. Yeah. So, >> well, even though even if it's a combined board, the u the relief that's required still remains the same if it's depending on if it's a COD. >> All right. So, that is an ambient Tony.
That's an interesting one. >> Yeah, because they just heard a a thing uh about a bedroom, a garage conversion, because also in here it says you have to have a garage and you can't convert one. >> Yeah. I mean it is it is very big. I
mean I am looking at it right. It is very big. That's an advantage. I mean um an alternative way >> and if they have the property I don't see why they wouldn't be granted it. >> So I how about this? Uh let's table this
because I think we need to work on this because what we're saying is an RV is smaller than my SUV. So that's just off. Um so I think it needs some updating. Uh the the application to the zoning planning board is an interesting one. Uh so why don't we take another bite of
this apple um with maybe looking at >> some of the things that are already in town. Well, I'll talk to some of you offline about that. >> Um just so we can see what we're dealing with. >> Residents first in my opinion. I hear you about the neighbors, but we already have people that have these vehicles.
They're not causing a problem. I don't see this causing a run on RVs in town. Uh but I I I can understand motion to table. >> All right. >> Um yeah, I think >> I have a motion to table. >> Motion to table. >> Second. >> Motion made by Councilman Finn, second by Councilman J. Yeah, let's take take a
look at it and then we can maybe uh what we normally do is Mark will draft up something. He can send it around. He can give we can send feedback or or call him with questions and then put something together for our next meeting. Okay.
>> Uh sure. I don't think it's that intense, mayor, because we're really talking about changing size requirements on this one. Um, so, uh, it's not a legal issue. I think it's a policy issue for us to decide on. So, um, happy to have Mark routed around, but this is what it's going to wind up looking like
with different size requirements and maybe something about the side. >> Okay, fair enough. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I would be a guest having people come for the planning work for this. This is an added expense and time, you know, in the meantime. Where's Where's your parking?
>> Don't Don't they pay? Don't they pay? They They pay an application. >> I don't know. >> Well, yeah. I mean, they go through the whole thing. Maybe survey everything. >> Well, you build they >> I mean, I don't help you walk through before you pay anything.
>> But if it's that level, it has to go. I mean, yeah, it's in the zoning. They don't need to go. and there's a chance they may not >> that's not so bad. It's in the back. >> It's not effective. >> I tip it the other way now.
>> So maybe now I don't want to keep it in front. >> Yeah, that's like positives. I think >> look at these people. Jeez, that car was anticipating. >> Yeah, it just doesn't look great in the sense
>> and they have a sidewalk. So, like like let's say my neighbor, we don't have sidewalks, right? So, it could be like in the driveway. >> Sorry about that. Thank you for that. >> They'll give us a week free weekend. >> All right. So, we'll we'll we'll let this all marinate. We'll do our
homework, take a look, and Okay. >> Expect it back in two weeks. >> I'd like a motion to open the floor to the public. >> Motion. Second. >> Motion made by Councilman Skiri, seconded by Councilman Finestro. Does anything have anyone have anything to
say for the good and well-being of Canoworth? Please come forward and state your name and address. Okay. Seeing no one, I'd like a motion to close the floor for public discussion. >> Second. >> Motion made by Councilman Bole, seconded
by Councilman Fenistral. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Is there any general business uh other that additional that anyone would like to discuss? >> The holidays, Joe. >> Um Joe, >> February. >> Well, that's not that's a general
business. Not general business yet. >> General business with the snow coming. I don't you guys go out. >> Hold on. We have holiday. >> We did good. We weren't here. You know, >> got to do that. >> How's that work? >> It's technically not a holiday is uh
when you're talking about Everidge. >> Yeah. >> Very limited. How many people actually have >> So, we have gone out of our way at the police department along with Laura at the burough to try to put things out on social media. That seems to be the best platform to get that out. Uh I have
repeatedly put on my own personal page but the uh the burial ordinances regarding that. I work in hand hand in hand with the DVDW make sure that we're trying to enforce those uh constant problems of people not moving allowing that. My guys are out there running
summones and we are towing vehicles. Um as I had council you know stress in my message work with us. We understand some people live in parts of town that the parking is is tight. We understand that. But do
us a favor by working with us so we can get these guys in there to plow clear out the one side, get the cars on the other side and clear it out. The problem with with the Everidge is we have correct me if I'm wrong. We have like a thousand people that are >> We used to have a lot. Yeah, we used to
have a lot of when we had the the old system, we had a a lot of residents sign up for that for whatever reason. I even brought this to the street fair giving out flyers to people. Sign up, sign up, sign up. And you know, honestly,
>> I think more people are inclined to go to social media today for their information as opposed to their own phone. >> I have a question. >> Use their own cell phone. Can we put a like a when you go on the burrow website right on the top sign here, click here
to sign up for alerts because it's it's on there, but it doesn't jump out at you. I mean, I'm going to look right now. >> Believe it's just the the way um people have more adapted to using their cell phones as opposed to their own phones and stuff like that for messages.
you know, they want to get their information instantaneously on social media and we're doing our best to put it out there. Uh we have I know we have this upcoming tour. We're concerned about it already. Uh downstairs we're going to come up with some
logistics to make sure that we do our best to make sure that the service. >> Yeah, I'm waiting for mine so I know >> see right here. Oh, I see. It is right here. Sign up the last few. >> You know what? When the pictures there
You don't see it? Like I didn't see it at first and then it changed. So maybe we can >> Can we do that where it's >> It stays here. So >> like I didn't see that because Hall was. >> So it's just here.
>> I don't want to make any of the website. >> Understood. All right. Okay. >> I mean, it's there. People just need to >> Well, what happens is Tony, I just went on there and there was Farah Hall there. So it's not always on there. It
fluctuates between Black Park and Bur Hall. >> Okay. >> They still I can tell when moving their cars is anybody. >> I think people are really confused about where their car should and shouldn't be and the ordinance has changed
>> in many many times. Um >> this is how it used to be years ago and then it was changed to we're really changing it back. >> There's no signs are off. Mhm. >> They are up. Okay. >> Yep, they are up. I've seen them >> since middle of December.
>> It's been It's been probably It's gone back and forth so many times that I think people are confused. >> Anybody's phone rings any more than when it comes to >> I'm sure it doesn't council are all the biggest problem. It's not just park cars.
>> It's residents throwing snow. >> It's residents what? >> Snow back streets. It creates a huge hazard, especially after, >> right? >> Yep. >> I personally responded to calls. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I've seen that. >> And and the cops do respond to it. They they work with us on it. But after we've
left and then it freezes, it's it's not complaining to get into accidents, right? >> What does Michigan have on the boulevard in that or they >> But they can't do that do it there either. >> Can't do it anywhere. >> You're not allowed to snow throw take snow from your property and throw it on the street. parking sides.
>> What's that? >> Parking side for county roads. >> Oh, do they do they have to move? >> I'm sorry. >> Our snowness doesn't apply to Michigan. >> Our there really isn't that much parking on Michigan Avenue. That's you don't have they don't have to worry about
Michigan. >> We don't. >> Yeah. It doesn't apply bas if you live on Michigan Avenue and the county doesn't do a good job. I think I got a phone number for you to call >> I can't I can't put a plow down on the county.
>> No, we we can't >> but it's not a side of the street thing like >> what's that? >> It's not a side of the street thing like the town. >> No, >> no. The county would prefer us not doing that. if they then if once we start
opening up that door, you're going to see them wanting us to do more of their job. >> Yeah. Know, it's it's true. If you start asking the county to like put ordinances out for restrictions on whether it's parking or whatever, they'll be like, "All right, but you got to maintain
those signs. You got to maintain the parking. We don't want to fine. >> They do it to Rosa Park. or the part administration's on county roads counties like >> okay let's let's stay on point here I don't care no disrespect
>> it doesn't matter what they do there I'm just saying >> is there any any other business anyone else would like to discuss >> no okay >> there's no need to go into executive session oh there is
>> the old abandoned bank. >> We have uh >> we have not taken care of their snow >> at all. >> So, it's all it's all ice corner. >> Okay. I'd like a motion to go into executive session. >> Motion. >> Motion. Second. >> Motion made by Councilman Gardo Perno.
Seconded by Councilman Finestrell. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. >> Happy uh Groundhog Day between now and the next council meeting. Um I just want to say that um after executive session there will be will be no formal action taken by the council. The council will
reconvene solely to adjourn.