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Heat. [music] Heat. [music] >> [music] >> This meeting is been being held in accordance with public law 1975 chapter 231. An adequate notice of this meeting has been provided by notice sent to the

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star ledger local source and posted in the main lobby of the municipal building and on the municipal website. Accordingly, the notice requirements of the Open Public Meetings Act have been satisfied in regard to this meeting. Please stand for the salute to the flag

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to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Roll call. >> Mayor Carlo >> here.

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>> Councilman Bole >> here. Councilman Finistella >> here. >> Councilman Mororrow >> here. >> Councilman Piper >> here. >> Councilman Scarice >> here. >> Councilwoman Gerardano Perno is excused. >> I'd like a motion to approve the minutes from June 3rd, 2026.

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>> Motion. >> Motion made by Councilman Finestella, seconded by Councilman Bole. Roll call. >> Councilman Bole. Councilman Finstrella. >> Yes. >> Councilman Mororrow. >> Yes. >> Councilman Viper. >> Councilman Scare. >> Yes. Swag woman is excused.

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>> All right. One of the greatest privileges we have as mayor and council is recognizing individuals whose dedication has made a lasting difference in our community. Tonight, we have the honor of recognizing two people who have done just that. First, I'd like to honor

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the uh retirement of Eileen Keading. For many years, Eileen Keading has served the Bureau of Kennorth with professionalism, integrity, and an unwavering commitment to public service. Through her work with the municipal court, she has earned the respect of her

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colleagues, the judici judiciary, and the countless residents she has assisted with kindness and compassion. As Eileen begins her well-earned retirement, we pause to thank her for her years of dedicated service and to wish her every happiness in this exciting new chapter.

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I'd like to read a proclamation. Where is Eileene? There she is. Come on. Come on up to the front. Whereas Eileen Keading, CMCA, concludes an extraordinary career, spanning 39 years in the New Jersey municipal court

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system, including the past eight years serving the Bureau of Kennorth with with exceptional dedication, professionalism, and heart. And while it is no small feat to build a career of this length and distinction, it is even more remarkable the way Eileen did it. quietly raising

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the bar, leading by example, and making what is often a complex and demanding envir environment fun with consistency, integrity, and grace. Canoworth was truly fortunate fortunate to welcome Eileen to our team and what

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we can only describe as a win for the Barrow. She brought not just her expertise, but a steady hand, sound judgment, and a level of institutional knowledge that cannot be taught, only earned over decades of service. Beyond her professional accomplishments,

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Eileen cultivated something even more meaningful, genuine relationships. She connected with colleagues, court users, and the community in a way that reflected both her character and her care. She earned not only the only respect, but true affection, something

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that cannot be mandated, only inspired. She has been a trusted leader, a reliable partner, and for many, the person you hoped was in the room when something needed to get done right, and maybe just a little faster and smoother than expected. Her presence will be

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deeply missed, not just for what she did, but for how she did it. As Eileen begins this well-earned next chapter, we recognize that while the burrow is losing a remarkable professional, she is gaining something far more valuable. time with her family, with friends, and

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for all the moments that a long and dedicated career sometimes requires you to put on hold. Now therefore, I, Linda Carloage, mayor of the bureau of Kennaworth, on behalf of the governing body, do hereby extend our deepest gratitude and appreciation

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to Eileen Keading for her 39 years of distinguished service to the New Jersey Municipal Court system and her dedicated service to the Burrow of Kennaworth and do hereby honor her on this occasion of her retirement. We wish Eileen and her family continued health, happiness, and

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all the best in years ahead. And while retirement is welld deserved, we suspect that she will still somehow manage to keep things running smoothly [clears throat] wherever she goes. Congratulations, Eileen. We [applause] [applause] thank you, Laura.

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Um, I just want to keep it short, but I do, um, this is such an honor. Uh, wasn't expected. Um, I have to thank um the Burough of Kennorth for their support, their leadership,

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um, for choosing me as their port administrator. I've been doing this for 39 years. Uh, Kennaworth has been my work home and I couldn't have spent a better place for the last eight years in

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such a supportive um, era. Thank you for interviewing me and giving me the chance, trusting me, and um obviously I've been doing this for a long time, but this has been the best

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eight years of my career. I also have to thank my staff because without them, I would not have done the successful job that we were able to do. Um Taylor Garcia is our deputy and

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um she is now be going to be the new court administrator the start of July 1st. I wish her all the success. I know she will do a phenomenal job. Um Debbie Weiss who is also a retired uh deputy court administrator from Union has been

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with us for the past two years at least >> uh giving us uh phenomenal uh knowledge and um we we have an ace team that's for sure. My judge uh Judge Rosenloo is been so supportive. Without him I would have

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been such a success. I uh my family who's just entered the room. >> Come on in family. >> My 3 a.m. phone calls never bothered us which is wonderful. I've never worked with the federal police department and

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um I I just thank everyone that has uh stood beside us and guided us, gave us um the trust to um move forward even through co that was like one of the biggest in the judiciary that we've ever

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uh accomplished and we did it with a uh very smooth process. The prosecutors, our public defenders, I just want to thank the council members here. Um thank you. This is you're so supportive of the staff and your leadership is wonderful.

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I really my this has been the best eight years of my career. I want to thank you all. Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] ALL RIGHT. We'd also like to honor the retirement of Joseph Ferry from the DPW. >> There you are.

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For three decades, Joe Ferry has served the residents of Kennallorth with pride and integrity. Since October 26, 1993, if you spent any time around the Department of Public Works, you know Joe's reputation. He's known for his strength, his willingness to do whatever

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is needed to be done, and the wealth of knowledge he shared with everyone around him. A former superintendent even affectionately referred to him as the mayor of the DPW, a fitting tribute to the respect he earned throughout his career.

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Whereas more than 32 years of dedicated service to the Bureau of Kennorth, Joseph Ferry will retire from the Department of Public Works effective July 1st, 2026, bringing to a close a career defined by hard work, commitment, and an unwavering dedication to the community he proudly

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served. Joe began his employment with the burrow on October 26, 1993 as a driver labor and quickly became a fixture within the Department of Public Works. Over the years, he earned the respect of co-workers, supervisors,

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elected officials, and residents alike. Although his strong work ethic, reliability, and willingness to pack tackle whatever task was placed before him. A former boxer in his younger years, Joe carried the discipline and determination of an athlete throughout

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his career. He took pride in staying physically fit and remained known for his remarkable endurance and strength. Even after decades on the job, many would attest that Joe could still outthrow just about anyone in the sanitation or road

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department, setting an an example through action rather than words. While his work ethic was impressive, Joe's greatest contribution may be the wealth of knowledge he accumulated over three decades of service. He became a trusted resource for

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generations of employees, offering practical advice, historical pers perspective, and a deep understanding of the burrow's operations. Whether it be a question about equipment, a street, a procedure, or a problem that needed solving, chances were Joe had the

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answer. His experience and presence within the department became so well recognized that a former superintendent affectionately referred to him as the mayor of the DPW. A title that reflected not only his longevity but also the respect and admiration he earned from

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those around him. It was a nickname that spoke to his influence, his institutional knowledge and the important role he played in the daily life of the department. Joe leaves behind a legacy of dedication, professionalism, and public service that has helped shape the department of

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public works and contributed to the quality of life enjoyed by the residents of Kennaworth. His co-workers will miss his guidance, his stories, his sense of humor, and the steady presence he brought to work each day. Now therefore, be it proclaimed that the mayor and

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council of the burrow of Kennorth hereby express their sincere gratitude and appreciation to Joseph Joe Ferry for his more than 32 years of faithful service to the burrow and extend their warmest wishes for a long, healthy, and well-deserved retirement filled with

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happiness, good health, and time spent with people and activities he loves. Congratulations and thank you [applause] FOR YOUR AS YOU KNOW, my name is Joseph Ferry. I work for the department for a long time. Uh, I would like to thank the Baron

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Council for this evening. My boss for being here, my current boss. I'm going through quite a few bosses, quite a few uh foremen and uh you know, a couple of councils I think too.

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>> But anyway, uh I I really enjoyed I started out as a laborer, not a driver, and worked my way up. However, um I enjoyed working for Ken for the residents of this town. There's quite a

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few an overwhelming amount of good people in this town and sometimes it took convincing to my guys that uh there's a overwhelming amount of time in this town. People treated me well, gave me respect. I got respect from my

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co-workers which I greatly appreciated and I also got respect from the KP. They were always there for me when I reached out to them whether it was home because I am a Kenworth resident or on the job. And there was a lot of help from the

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Kenwood Fire Department too with with different storms and and hurricanes and things like that that we've had blown down trees in the middle of the night. you know, you can count on these people and they were there, you know, and uh I just enjoyed all the aspects of and the

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different things that had to do with my job and learn and uh I'm going to miss my job. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. I'm going to [applause] miss you. [applause] >> All right. Congratulations. I think the there's people talking in

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the hallway and it's it's louder than you think. >> Right now anyway, >> thank you. Beyond way beyond >> way beyond. >> Can Can that be addressed? Can we get our fire chief here? Is that

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>> okay? All right. Over the past several week weeks, I have conducted extensive reviews of existing data centers to better understand these facilities and their impacts. Understanding the potential impacts and benefits of Corweave data center project is a top

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priority for me and I am doing my due diligence as mayor to learn as much as I can about the types of facilities Corweave is proposing to construct. The council and I remain committed to ensuring that Corweave is held accountable throughout the remainder of

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the redevelopment process, which means gaining a better understanding of how best to manage the town's facility and ensuring that the information we are being provided is accurate and true. That being said, last week, Senator Cryin and I joined Corweave for a tour of one of their data centers in New

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York. While different from the one being built in Canoworth due to the fact that this is the first time Corweave is building a data center from the ground up, it was an eye openening for me and quelled any concerns I had regarding disruptions to residents. Specifically, I was able to gain more insight into the

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sound study and learn that the facility will compare to the sound of your refrigerator as the new building and technology. [applause] >> All right. [laughter] Okay. All right. >> As the new build build in technology has

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acoustic barriers around all the equipment. Senator Cry and myself also to a data center in Piscataway. Corwe facility will be engineered with nuclear power which eliminates localized combustion noise completely trading a

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low lum frequency neighborhood rattle for a silent self-contained energy footprint. I understand the concerns Kennorth residents and our neighboring communities are expressing regarding potential harms to our community and I want to confirm that the safety our of

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our residents is crucial and emphasize that environmental concerns are at a minimum as this data center will not house hazardous substances nor will they be there be any pollution coming from this data center as Mr. Mayor, my responsibility is to

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advocate for the residents of Kennallorth and ensure any business, big or small, serves the best interest of our town. I am committed to ensuring that any project coming into our town complies with state's environmental standards and addresses the safety, noise, and traffic concerns that we all

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share. That I'd like to move on to the finance department uh finance report. Councilman uh Mororrow. >> Yeah, thank you, mayor. Uh tonight, council will consider the 2026 capital budget, which invests nearly $3 million in critical infrastructure, public

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safety, and quality life improvements throughout the burrow. We have also secured over $473,000 in grant funding to help offset costs to the taxpayers. Key investments in this budget include upgrades to the police dispatch center, new equipment for our first responders

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and public works departments, long overdue HVAC replacements at Burough Hall and other municipal facilities, a half a million dollars for roadway improvements, more than 300,000 for sanitary and storm sewer infrastructure improvements, and $250,000 for park

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improvements. These projects will help maintain borrow services, improve public safety, and continue investing in the infrastructure that supports our residents. That's all from uh the finances committee. >> Thank you, Councilman. Department of Public Works. Councilman Bo, >> short and sweet tonight.

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>> Uh Friday, July 10th will be the next bulk pickup for homes in the Monday, Thursday sanitation routes. This is for the southside east of 19th Street. And on Friday, June 19th, DPW will have two bulk dumpsters available for free bulk drop off at the Kennorth DPW recycling

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yard. And they'll take them until they fill up. And that's all I have. >> Thank you, Councilman. Department of Public Safety, Councilman Finestrella. >> Thank you, Mayor. On June 4th, the Kennorth Police Department along with Union County Prosecutor's Office

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concluded investigation into A&J Cosmetology at 720 Boulevard. [clears throat] Kennorth Police Department had received reports of prostitution happening at this location. After investigation was completed, one person was arrested and charged with

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prostitution. And the Kennorthoning Department is looking at other borrow code violations. On June 4th, Kenwood Police Department participated and assisted with traffic for the torch run. The torch run was successfully run from one end of town to

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the other passed along from Rosel Park to Cranford. On June 7th, the police department assisted with traffic control for St. Teresa's Church for their Corpus Christi procession in the neighborhood surrounding the church. Um on June 6,

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the uh PBA sponsored fishing derby, I heard was a huge success. Uh quite a few people I heard over 120 people >> and uh fund was had by all. Uh please notify police department report any complaints or nuisances. If we can't

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help, we can't help if we don't know about it. >> And that's all I have. >> Thank you, Councilman. Planning and zoning. Councilman Scarice. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, I don't have any uh new reports to report. >> That's it.

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>> Okay. Thank you, Councilman. I didn't real know the >> I'm sorry. >> Recreation and fire. Councilman Piper. >> Thank you, mayor. I also have no report, but there was a house fire on Coolage Drive this Sunday. We had two

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firefighters who were treated for a heat related illness. One at the hospital, one at the scene. Both are okay. >> Okay. Thank you, Councilman. Health, Education, and Welfare. Councilwoman Gardana Perno is um excused. I have her

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report. Uh for the library, Thursday, June 18th at 700 p.m., Principles of Hip Hop. All ages are welcome. Tuesday, June 23rd at 6:30 p.m. is Family Fun Night. Ages three and up.

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Wednesday, June 24th at 11 a.m. is Good Time String Band. All ages are welcome. Yarn's bingo for children, Lego at the library, and lapsit call for times and dates on you can also go on the uh burrow website on the library website.

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The health meeting is tomorrow night uh at the board of health at 7 p.m. And the board of education has a special meeting on Wednesday, June 24th at 7 p.m. Uh for um the senior center, Monday, June 22nd at 10:00 a.m. free blood pressure and

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sugar testing. Tuesday, June 23rd at 11:30, lunch and learn, sun protection and medication safety. Free shuttle service Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Call for reservation at 908868-4180. Thank you.

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All right. Burrow engineer. >> Thank you, mayor. The DOT uh project for this year is uh still ongoing. Uh they finished most of the concrete work and they will be paving after uh school uh finishes for the year. Um I was trying to schedule the striping for the senior

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center uh for Friday. Unfortunately, it's not enough time to have u to get DPW to put up some no uh parking signs. So, I'm going to try to reschedule it for early next week. And that's all I have. >> I just wanted to ask about the sidewalks. Has PSCNG um given us what we

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need to do to put the electric on the poles. >> Um I'm unaware, but I believe there was still working on that. >> Okay. And then the path between Lincoln Drive and the boulevard. director. >> Okay, thank you.

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>> All right, CFO, Mr. Blum. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, Councilman Moral summed up the uh, capital program very nicely. So, uh, that's all I have for this evening, >> and your path is on. It's in this capital program. >> Great. Thank you.

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Attorney, >> I have nothing new report. >> Thank you. Uh, burrow administrator. The only thing I have this evening, mayor, is there are two changes for the consent agenda. Um, resolution 26-155.

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I was able to get a tax clearance certificate. So, we do have an additional liquor license on for renewal this evening for the Canorth Inn. And also there was an emission um 26159 appointing a dispatcher. The

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dispatcher is going to be starting on June 20th. I apologize mayor that that omission was my fault. >> That's okay. Thank you. >> So we just need to put that on the consent agenda by motion when we get to that point in the meeting. >> Okay. Uh the only other thing I have is that I did forward to the rec committee

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for their consideration um some options for a scope change for one of the rec grants. >> Okay. Thank you. So, next up for council consideration is the consent consent agenda which is there is a resolution to be added to the

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consent agenda 26159 appointing KPD dispatcher. Is there a motion to approve the addition uh 26-159 to the consent agenda? >> Motion second. >> Motion made by Councilman Morrow, seconded by Councilman Piper. All in favor? >> I.

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>> Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> Motion second. Motion made by Councilman Piper, seconded by Councilman Scurice. Roll call. >> Councilman Bole. Yes. >> Councilman Finestella? Yes. Councilman Mororrow? Yes. >> Councilman Piper? >> Yes. >> Councilman Scareice? >> Yes.

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>> Councilwoman Jerro is excused. The consent agenda consists of resolutions 26-146 through 26-159 that have been approved by one motion. All items will be recorded individually in full in the minutes. Next for council consideration is the

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introduction of ordinance 2026-13 bond bond ordinance to authorize the making of various public improvements in the acquisition of new additional or replacement equipment and machinery new information technology equipment new communication and signal systems equipment new automotive vehicles

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including original apparatus and equipment in buy and for the burough of counter county of union state of New Jersey to appropriate the sum of $2,976,000 to pay the cost thereof to appropriate various grants to make a down payment or partially fund an appropriation from the

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capital improvement fund to authorize the issuance of bonds to finance such appropriation and to provide the issuance of bond anticipation of any in anticipation of the issuance of such bonds. Okay. The or this ordinance authorizes counterworth to fund a variety of public improvements and

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equipment purchases using grants, capital funds, and municipal bonds. Is there a motion to approve ordinance 2026-13 on introduction? >> Motion second. Motion made by Councilman uh Bole, seconded by Councilman Finestella. Roll call. >> Councilman Bole. Councilman Finestella?

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>> Yes. >> Councilman Mororrow? >> Yes. >> Councilman Piper? >> Yes. >> Councilman Scarice? >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Jer is excused. Ordinance 2026-13 will be scheduled for public hearing and adoption at the July 1st, 2026 council meeting at 6 p.m.

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>> All right. >> Do you guys have people in the hallway and I can't hear you? We'll try to talk louder. >> There's a TV out there. >> Okay. >> All right. >> All right.

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Prior to me opening up uh the meeting to the public, I I'd like to say that I have spent many hours listening to members of the public, answering questions, reviewing reports, and sharing information from experts in their fields, including engineers, environmental experts, regulatory

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agencies, and project representatives. I understand that many people remain concerned, and I respect your right, your right to ask questions and express your views. Listening, however, does not always mean that everyone will agree on certain conclusions. My responsibility

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as mayor and members of the governing body is not to tell people what they want to hear, but to make decisions based on verified information, expert analysis, and the long-term interest of our community. I recognize that some citizens feel frustrated, and I

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understand why emotions can run high on an issue of this magnitude. But I reject the notion that providing factual information, even when it is differs from someone's beliefs, is evidence of not caring. In fact, it is precisely because I care about our community that

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I research and seek to learn and communicate facts. Transpar transparency and respectful dialogue must guide these conversations around those facts. I will continue to listen, continue to answer questions, and continue to share accurate information as it becomes

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available. While reasonable people may disagree, I hope we can all remain committed to a respectful discussion based on facts rather than assumptions. >> At this time, I'd like a motion to open the floor to the public. >> Motion second.

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>> Motion made by Councilman Morrow, seconded by Councilman Piper. All in favor? >> Does anyone have anything to say for the good and well-being of counterarts? Please come forward and state your name. [applause] [cheering] Just one second before I begin. Ladies

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and gentlemen, >> couple things. First, this is a quasi judicial meeting. Even though we're not in a courtroom, there are certain laws and regulations and procedures that apply which must be followed. Secondly, everything is being recorded. If

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everyone speaks or claps at the same time, it will not be picked up in the reporting. It's very important to let one person speak and once they're done then let somebody else speak. Everybody will have you turn. Thank you. [clears throat]

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>> Can you hear me? >> Is this on? >> It's on. >> Yep. Okay. Hi. Uh my name is Ben Jobeck. I'm the executive director of Climate Revolution Action Network. I am from Asbury Park. Um, my organization is the

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largest Gen Z organization in the state of New Jersey and has defeated six data centers in the last month and passed over 13 bans and municipalities across the state. [applause] >> So, you know, I've been hearing complaints from local community members

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who are voicing their concerns specifically around whether or not they are from Kennallorth. And I think it's the perfect explanation of how we explain this energy issue, right? And it shows that you may not understand the electrical infrastructure needs of a hypers scale data center that you are

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blindly following and going along with. Right. And first I want to make a comment on what you said in the beginning. Um core reef has not applied for an SMR permit and they are looking to make inter changes with PSEG. So, I don't understand how there's the

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possibility of a nuclear reactor, especially when permitting that Senator Cryan voted on was just approved like literally two weeks ago. Um, but you are in a grid system with PJM, which is 12 states plus DC. So, any data center

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built in that grid system affects our energy bills, right? So, when we have residents of Cranford and neighboring communities, that's because this is our data center. This is our utility bill increase and this is our headache. Right? The site has a capacity that

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you're saying is able to handle a large scale data center, but it only has 50 megawatts worth of capacity and 25 of supply. And so that's another 200 megawatts of additional capacity that's needed redundancy which is standard and

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higher voltage lines which you are already moving forward with putting in. uh and all of us are paying money on the delivery fee of that energy coming onto our grid, right? And that's why people are concerned because their bills are going up, right? And we know that this

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closed loop system that they're proposing, the law of thermodynamics does not change. Increased energy usage will be needed to cool down that facility because they are not letting that water go. Right? So there is this

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idea that you being fed misinformation and alternative facts from private equity organizations is us. >> And when we do research, we do not just go to the primary source, which is you taking a walk with private equity

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billionaire companies who are getting $2.2 million per job in state aid for this facility. Right? You have representatives in your area calling to strip uh state aid for incentive for these communities. And it is really

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really unfortunate that you start this meeting telling residents that the research and the knowledge that is happening around the nation is wrong. And just a reminder, two of you are up for election and there are the ability for recalls in this county. Thank you.

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[cheering] >> [applause] [applause] >> us out. >> Let the speaker, please. >> Good evening. Good evening, mayor, council, and residents. My name is Sean Keeon Foley and I'm a former councilman here in Union County

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and a husband and a father. And tonight, I'd like to talk about trust. Trust is earned through experience. And for decades, we've been told that technological progress would make our lives better. We were told it would connect us, make life more efficient,

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and create more opportunity and prosperity. And every step of the way, we were told the same thing. Trust the experts, trust innovation, and trust the process. But after all these years, I think people

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are wondering if all this progress was supposed to make our lives better, why does it keep getting harder? If all this progress that we talk about, we handed our children technologies that we promised to help them but have caused them

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immeasurable harm on a scale we are only beginning to understand. We were told technology would make it easier for families. But software systems are driving up housing, health care, and grocery cost. At the very moment, affordability has become one of

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the greatest challenges facing people throughout this county and state. And now we're being asked to trust again. This time it's AI and data centers. And maybe that's why we all are pushing back. But because we've heard this story

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before, not because we hate technology, not because we fear the future. It's that we are being told the same story and being promised prosperity again. And as a former councilman, I understand

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the need for investment and economic growth and the tough choices you all make. But some questions deserve more scrutiny than a simple vote. questions about energy and environmental safety, questions about affordability and infrastructure,

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and questions about the kind of future we're building and who will live with the consequences. And finally, maybe the lessons of the last 30 years is that we've confuse speed with wisdom. For decades, the technology industry embraced a simple

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philosophy. Move fast and break this. A lot of things got broken. And it's ordinary people like all of us who are always left cleaning up the mess. So I think people are asked for something profoundly reasonable. A pause. A pause to ask difficult

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questions. A pause to understand the long-term consequences. And a pause to make sure we are not repeating the same mistakes. Because progress is not measured by how quickly we move. Progress is measured by how responsibly

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we act. Because years from now, what will matter is not how quickly we embrace the next big thing, but what will matter is whether we have the wisdom to ask the right questions before we did. Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] >> 715 Avenue.

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First of all, I just want to I see the community is involved. This is a great day. I've been up here. I've been probably in every chair on there and uh we haven't really had this community involvement. I'm glad to see so many people are here for a concerned issue. Whether I agree or disagree on the

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topic, it's irrelevant. What's relevant is that you're here. You're speaking up. Congratulations to you guys taking time out of your lives to be here. You can be doing other things. So, kudos to you guys. And I I noticed there's this this clock here. What's this clock? This two minute thing here. What's that?

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>> It's three minutes. This this timer. What is it? >> It's the 3 minute talk. >> 3 minutes. >> 3 minutes to talk. >> Wow. I have never seen you with this clock before, Linda. Why is it >> I didn't put it here. >> I didn't put the clock here. I know

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you're posturing because you're running, but I didn't put the clock here. >> You listen to the people >> and the uh the uh Pennsylvania president has all the power, not the mayor. You're wrong.

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>> No, I'm not wrong. You've changed. Time out. Time out. Everyone's going to have a chance to speak, but it's going to be done. NOT THIS TIME. >> STOP IT. >> COME OUT. COME OUT. YOU GUYS ARE RUINING HIS TIME.

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>> GUYS, you don't have to take my word for it. All the council meetings are on YouTube. >> Yeah. >> I have not seen her enforce that threeminute rule ever. And I sat I sat next to her for years. She never enforced it. >> And that take the clock down. Does everybody on council want to take the

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clock down? >> Come on, council president. Should you take the clock down? >> Come on. >> This is your guy. This is your guy. >> That's not the point. THAT'S NOT THE POINT. >> We're going to take the clock down. We're going to take IT DOWN. THAT'S IT.

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I HAD TO I had to come up here. >> You're taking the clock down to her and explain to you guys that all of a sudden she's enforcing this time. >> I am not enforcing it. I DID NOT PUT THIS CLOCK HERE. The administrator put the clock here. But we're going to take

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it down. WE'RE GOING TO LET EVERYBODY SPEAK AS LONG AS they want. From now on, [applause] you see Linda. Linda, when you pick, Linda, when you pick and choose who gets to talk and for how long, especially the free speech type of scenario, it's not

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good. It's not good for liability wise. It's not good for a lot of >> It was not I didn't put the clock here. Like I said, did not put the clock here. >> Rule all of a sudden administrators enforcing the threeinut rule. >> You have to g

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the powers with the council president. You never did because you know what? You briefed those people. Apparently you it's on video. Okay. [applause] >> Uh hello. My name is Shima Aoya. Good evening everyone. It's great to see you mayor. I did get to see you at the last

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meeting. >> Um so I'm a little curious as to what is going on right now. Today you said that you've talked to corre about what they're proposing to construct. At the last meeting, I heard that it's like I don't I don't know if anyone takes notes on the meetings, but he said it's on

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YouTube. It it's like too far to do anything. There's nothing we can do. So, what exactly is happening right now? Cuz I think the big issue here is the transparency. So, like is it being >> You know what? I at the last meeting um I did read the whole history. >> Uhhuh. >> And if you'd like, I can read that

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again. >> I just mean like currently right like Right. Right. >> Currently, right now Corweave has received their approvals. Uh-huh. >> And that's where we're at. >> So, they're not building anything right now. >> They're not building the data center right now. >> Okay. >> They listen, they are they are emptying

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an existing structure building. Um, but there's not I don't believe data center equipment being installed. >> Not building. I I don't can't really answer that correctly. >> All right. Thank you so much. >> Thank you.

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[applause] I need about three quick questions. >> Can we have your name and address please? >> Christine and it's Kennallorth. I come from Kennallorth. The um the data center had asked for four independent buildings and that was quite a few meetings ago.

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So now since you're on top of it now, will you guys be following up to see what they're going to put in those four independent buildings? My second question is you already did the finance and where it's going. Will you be

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looking at the sidewalks that are broken, uneven, and everything else because there are wheelchair people cuz you have the corners, but you can't do a wheelchair or a carriage. In the past, I have called the Pharaoh. They told me to

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call the police. The police said they don't handle it. I called the Pharaoh back. They tell me to call public works. That way when you guys do the garbage, you report that. >> So sidewalks, sidewalks at a municipal building or the municipality's responsibility in front of a home. It's

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the homeowners. You can contact zoning and we can we can go and contact the homeowner, >> but you don't have people that audit that do checks on this. >> We we do not have people that walk the streets to look for cracks. We we rely on the residents to tell our bur administrator or code enforcement. And

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then we swiftly go out there and tell the homeowner what's going on. >> So it's code enforcement >> or or the or send an email to the borrow administrator. Yes. >> Yeah. But when I call them, that's what I was referred to the cops from. The cops I was referred to. >> Code enforcement will do the leg work to contact the resident and have them fix

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the sidewalk. But again, it's a municipal building. Uh that's us. So wherever it is. >> And then as far as I understand during the holidays, you're planning to do decorations this year, but they weren't. Will you be doing them all on the boulevard to enhance the aesthetics of

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the boulevard or just in front of the this buildingoulevard because a lot of renovation goes on in front of this building but >> like all the pavers and stuff there's a lot missing like it looks tattered the boulevard. >> Okay. >> So are you doing anything to enhance

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that? >> Yes. Yes. We have uh talked extensively over the last year with the engineer here about the sidewalk issues. Multiple things are going on. And money is going that way cuz I didn't hear that. >> Well, the gas company had ripped up some of the sidewalk when they were doing their high-pressure lines last year. I'm

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sure we all remember the boulevard being chopped up all winter last winter. Uh that work when they were connecting to the businesses on the boulevard was repaved with black top, not with sidewalk cement or the the paver stones. So PS, excuse me, yeah, PS&G, I believe

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that's a G, uh, or Elizabeth Town Gas. They're the ones that are taking care of of those issues. And I believe on the south end, um, what is it? South 21st and 22nd. That's where we have some some work that the pavers are being replaced. That that was in I believe last year's

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budget if I'm not mistaken. The decorations will be extending throughout the boulevard if that was not answered. >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. Bob Herbert, 14 North 12 Street. You guys all know me. I just You guys can

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be long. Uh I just want to clear my reputation. Okay. Councilwoman Gioano back on May 16th stated to me that I have no facts. So I took the liberty to get the facts. I didn't have them

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present with me. Okay? Such as redevelopment agreement, the fi, you know, the finance end of it, the reasonzoning of the overlay zone that's been approved but not finalized, all those things. So I put open request in

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and I also asked for the minutes for that meeting when it was open to the public but unfortunately you know the town hasn't been able to provide it because the minutes have not been you know finalized and I understand that there's a lot of talk a lot of stuff going on and other activity during the

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course of the day. So it takes a little extra long longer time but I will have to say I did over the building department and we don't have a data center going in. Daddy, that's what we just heard tonight. We heard from the attorney the last couple meetings that

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we don't have a redevelopment agreement. The finance and things of that nature are not done. The attorney has said it several meetings. It's all in the minutes. But I just want to clear my name. I'm sorry that the council owner is not here tonight. But here I have

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copies from my opener request. 2000 Gallopin Hill Road, CW Nest Property Owner LLC. There's 16 permits out on this on this property. Four of them has a final inspection on

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building, electric, fire, and plumbing. Okay. The other 12 permits, the electrical, plumbing, and fire only have rough inspections done. So, I'm a little confused if there isn't. Not that I'm for or against data centers, but you

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know, we're making statements that there's nothing going on there. And that's been the problem from day one when allegedly a year and a half ago and I believe that it was a year and a half ago that the uh planning board approved this project, but we've been told time

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after time that there's nothing nothing being developed at this time. So, can somebody explain why our building department printed this out for me and saying that some finals and rough inspections are done at CW Nest Property

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Owner LLC? Did somebody answer that or get back to me in the next meeting? You know, whatever you want to do. But I just want the council to know >> I do have my facts correct and as a zoning official in other towns, >> I do know what I'm doing in spite of

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what a lot of people think up here that I don't know because I don't usually talk unless I already know the facts. I just didn't have them on May 16th when she stated that, but I have them now and I would love to show them show it to her. If anybody would like these copies,

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you're welcome to it and you can check with your building department if this is factual. That's all. I just want to make the record straight that I was correct and I did have the facts. Thank you. [applause] [applause] My name is >> closer.

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Okay. >> My my question is about the the heat. I understand you address you say the environmental concerns have been looked at and checked and that you're satisfied. Have you done the analysis with the heat? The reason I asked is

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because the studies show with a this is supposed to be a mega data center, right? On the order of a gable wide of power. Is that correct? What's this what's the magnitude? >> I would have to look that up. I will the burrow will will um I don't have the numbers right in front of me. The burrow

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will the bureau will do our own studies once it's completed to make sure. >> We'll do all our own studies. We can't study it now because it's not >> it may expand. First one.

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>> The question is the heat island effect. Have you studied this? And if you got assurances that you really understand the assurances, the heat island effect because it could be severe. The studies show four or five degrees >> Fahrenheit, not centigrade, Fahrenheit.

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And that you add that on to the temperatures you had last week with the heat and humidity effect. You you have EMT huge problems in that area over in Union, you can have you can have a lot of problems. You're going to you're going to get some mortality from that.

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You think about the the amount of heat. There's no river. There's no fish to cook. It's going it's going to go locally into the environment. That's an extreme heat source. And >> well, but your analysis you say the

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analysis your concern for the community and that has to be. So what what do you have from that side? >> When the when the project is completed, the bureau will run all of our studies. >> We can't study something that doesn't

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exist. >> The numbers the numbers are there. >> No, there are studies for this. This a closed loop system. The cooling system is the closed loop. That's a hot that's going to be a hot effect >> on the area.

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>> It's serious because you're going to see death. That's what you have to consider. That should be in your plan. I don't I'm surprised it hasn't hasn't come up. >> That that's that's where your EIS should go. Looking at the heat, the local

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you're going to have an effect there. EMT is going to you're going to have calls. That's if you I can't I I don't understand from what people people on the on the who study the data centers that's one of the big big issues. You

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you have a closed a closed loop cooling system. It's going to heat up a lot. So you better get questions answered and something written from there, the guarantee and the spec and then maybe that that will be a constraint on the

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operation. I would say at a minimum get a constraint, a guarantee and then a way that you can verify and then go and enforce. If you don't have that guarantee, then you're going to have Frank, you're going to have to pop. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. [applause]

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Hello, my name is Tony Johnson and although I'm a resident of Union for over 46 years, I can say safely that I lived closer to this data center than any one of you living up here, sitting up here. Any one of you.

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>> I'm going to make a lot of assumptions because I agree with the three minutes even though I don't agree with the data center but anything and I'll run it once. So I'm going to assume that like I've read about other data centers

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there's no big outdoor lights that annoy the neighbors that live nearby. I'm going to assume ambient air tension will air temperature will not rise within a certain amount of space from this facility.

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I'm I'm not going to assume that these 70 foot poles look good because they are disgusting and they and they are put [applause] they have put on Ginger Road Ches Street but the worst of all there's a street in

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Union Kimberly Road all residential houses right down the street. >> How much you think those people lost on their houses? >> [applause] >> I don't agree with PSCG putting those polls there and I've been fighting with

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them and with Senator had many meetings with them. I don't >> they don't come to us and tell us what they're going to do. >> I'm not trying to admonish anyone. I don't do your job. I don't know what's involved. But you should have had all the facts

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before you gave them the procedure. Okay. Anyway, the the closed loop system from what I understand does create waste water that are laden with heavy metals that are dangerous to

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agriculture, animals, people. I wonder where that goes. >> There won't be waste water coming from this project. Just wait a minute. I I support it, >> but I'm going to run out of breath, so let me talk. All right. >> Okay.

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They still are going to use millions of gallons of water in here, right? Or did they tell you they >> they're not going to use millions of gallons of water? >> It's the engineering of the project. Once they fill it, it will it will be sealed for the life of the unit. I've

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been saying that over and over. That's in their the engineering of what they're building. It is it is truly a closed loop system. >> Well, there are different types of of those things. So, I can understand >> they can build something else. They

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can't because our zoning officer will make sure that they build what they promised. And we're going to do all our own studies after and make sure. If they don't, >> I think it's really disrespectful to the person speaking. Everyone, let her speak. Let her speak

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>> to do your own studies afterwards. It's ask >> But we can't study the because it's not it doesn't exist right now. That's exactly why you don't approve it when you have all your constituents asking

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you to do otherwise. [cheering] [applause] >> I'm not going to get into everything. >> You look at me. You can see why I'm concerned. Of course, >> if they put any air pollution >> more than what we have

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>> into the air, I'm going to be dead by Christmas. Well, I won't be up by running by then, but I'm not going to make it through. All right? And I'm sure I'm not the only one in this area who has breathing issues. And my other thing is, do I need to buy a generator for my

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house? Now, I'm on oxygen 24/7. When they start blowing that power grid and the air we lose electricity, >> you're going to give me 15 grand to put in house generator. >> They have their own power grid.

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>> No, they do. They do. >> You have the whole country, the whole country and other countries that are banning these data centers. Do you really expect us to believe that here in

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cattle only [applause] [applause] just to interject a little lemon? If you all really believe that I got a bridge I got to sell [laughter] I [applause] come on. All right. Listen

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for most people. Home ownership the biggest investments they'll ever make in their life. They just retain value by a huge sum of money. So now they're locked in. to

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living what could be a dangerous situation in the long run because you don't know. Nobody knows. I don't blame you. Nobody knows. They're not around long enough. Just like saccharine was safe until it wasn't, right? Then they

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say cancer. Well, the same thing is going to happen [snorts] here. But you know, one other thing before I close. If we give every one of you out here a house for free and the only thing you

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pay for is your food and your whole family, your wife, your husband, your children, your grandchildren, your in-laws, they all live in this big beautiful house with you for 10 years and it's 500 yards from the data center.

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Do you put your money where your mouth is and move in or do you just force it down? you and one of your new game. You know damn well you say no and I don't play >> anyway. >> You are saying yes. You would live next to the data center.

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>> All right. >> She's speaking. >> How much are they? >> How much are they paying you? >> Don't make a false accusation. Listen, I don't agree the disaster center, but

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she did take down the threeinut thing. This is a public forum for all adults. Act professional. That wasn't right. The way you yelled at people. I'm a man, so I can tell you that. But anyway, anyway, just be courteous to each other. Last one.

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We all know and I'm in business so I know too every single contract can be broken RIGHT [applause] [applause] nothing is ironclad we all know that all that we've lived long enough to see it

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all we kidding Now, your continued involvement with corre is akin to wrestling with a pig. >> They like it and you get dirty.

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>> All right. >> Now is your opportunity to clean yourself off. Protect your legacy and your situ. The people that voted you in power to protect them and your town.

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and to give yourself the ability to put your head on your pillow at night to go to sleep with a clean conscience knowing you did the right thing. Hear your people. See your people. Stop

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the data center. [cheering] >> [applause] [applause] >> She knows what she's talking about. [applause] [applause] This party is just getting started. This council previously stated >> we have your name and address, sir.

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>> This council previously stated that no NDA related to this project exists. In an email obtained through Oprah between Michael Ash, other burough attorneys and the mayor regarding the four project. Mr. Ash wrote, "We all signed the NDA exclamation point exclamation point."

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>> That wasn't me. That was the professional sir. No, no, wait. I did not sign an NDA. did not a false accusation 2025 considering the revelation can this

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council now state on record whether any official attorney employee or anyone else associated with the burl of kettle has signed an NDA or any other confidentiality agreement related to the core project or the redevelopment at the open park property if so who signed it and who and will the burrow make that

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information public. >> I can affirmatively and explicitly say I did not sign anything. >> I did not sign anything. >> I'm reading the email. >> I'm reading the the email. >> Who did that? >> Then who did not?

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>> So, who did >> who signed it? Who signed the who signed the NDA? >> And what was it for? >> You have you have the Oprah information. We don't. I can tell you that I didn't sign anything. I have no idea what you're talking about there because I didn't sign anything. >> WE'LL MOVE ON. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO

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QUESTION NUMBER TWO. >> WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON to question number two. Like I said, >> the the party's just getting started right now. >> This is not a party. This is a public forum. Let's have some decorum. >> Okay, there's plentum here. We're state.

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For the past two months, residents and neighboring municipalities have repeatedly asked whether the current conversion of Nest 11 into a data center is the full extent of the planned development on the site. Public records obtained through Oprah show that Corwe has plans to build two additional data centers and a large electrical

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substation on the remaining vacant land. Those records also show that Corin's application to divide the property into four lots was intended to support those future plans. Burough officials were informed of these plans as early as July of 2025, and the plans later appeared in

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subdivision related documents. Can this council explain why these additional planned facilities have not been disclosed to the public or neighboring officials, even when you were repeatedly asked and directly asked about the purpose of the subdivision and the future plans for the site?

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>> I'm not aware of the planning board approving any secondary projects. I'm only aware of the subdivision. >> No, I'm not. But I'm not even aware of there being an application for it. >> There was a council close session of the council that brought up future development plans on these four lots. >> Yeah, they have to apply and the

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planning board has to approve. It's all speculation before that. Right. >> It's not speculation because the subdivision documents clearly state >> you asked if we're aware of the approval or that we're aware of the project. I'm not aware of any project being approved. >> Okay. No, for the record that the councilman is lying about his knowledge. >> Councilman is not lying. You're asking

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about You're asking about things that after a subdividing happened if there have been applications and approval. >> I am not aware of that >> the application for subdividing. >> And by the way, I'm not lying. >> Every time we say something, we're told that we're we're not talking the right

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way. We don't know how to speak. We don't know how to think. I'm sorry. I'm answering your question. If you don't want answers, I'll stop answering. So maybe I I'll just stop answering. >> The the woman in the front would prefer that. Strike question number three. Residents

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have repeatedly asked the bureau to obtain independent analysis of the potential risks associated with this AI data center, including impacts on infrastructure, utilities, the environment, and quality of life. However, public records obtained through OPA again show that burough representatives instead began seeking

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public relations firms to help with public messaging about the project. discussions indicating that those services would be paid for through Corweave's own development escro account. >> Can this council explain why resources were directed toward public relations

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and messaging efforts instead of obtaining the independent expert review that residents have repeatedly requested? And does the council not recognize the inherent conflict of interest created when the applicant themselves is paying for the public relations services that are being solicited by the bureau? Sir, do you

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have names? Because as council president and chairman of the finance committee, I'm not aware of any money being spent in that fashion. >> So, I mean, if you have names of who these council represent or governing body rep or borrow employees are, that would help. >> An email between Michael Ash and the

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mayor on April 30th regarding a proposal from PR firm CL partners and a discussion about having Corine pay for it through its escrow account. >> The mayor must know about that. ever been discussed. >> Mayor, >> no. >> How about an email between Michael Ash and the mayor on May 26th confirming

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that PR for a mad global strategy is quote unquote on board? >> Wow. >> I guess the mayor doesn't talk to it. Is that going to be >> I haven't spoken to them. >> I have I was not made aware of what you're saying.

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>> You guys can discuss anything like that. >> No. >> Yes. Yes. had some interviews planned recently with that that uh that firm character enlighten us for life if you wish. >> Don't

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>> I didn't. >> How about an email on May 6th? Burough attorney here, Marker. Am I saying your name right? >> They're not just council members talking. >> Hold on. Let me read through this. set

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member uh council members talking points defending the approval of the poor project. One of his provided talking points claimed that the substation for the new AI data center is not new and has been on site for decades. This claim is flatout false. Application 25-004

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submitted by core in April of 2025 granted approval for the construction of a new substation specifically to serve the AI DAX center. So here we have an email in which burough attorney is giving false information to the council about the substation for an S11. Can you guys explain to us why we should trust

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anything you have to say here publicly about this project when you're spreading falsehoods amongst yourselves via email? >> There's a power station has been redoing it. >> You keep saying amongst ourselves. >> None of us are on these emails talking

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about you. You have them in front of you, right? You're citing it's from from burough attorneys. I don't have plausible dability. I have deniability because you even have the paperwork and none of our names are off. >> That is beside the point because we're not here. >> It's besides the point.

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>> You're literally saying you guys, you guys, you guys. You're accusing us of things that you in your own paperwork can show is not the fact. We are talking the burrow, excuse me, of Kennwood official of which you are all officials, correct? I just want to make sure

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>> we are the governing >> pretending like you don't know what's going on in your own burrow. Um, how about an email on May 21st to Cory's community partnerships department, Cory's community partnerships department. Mayor Carla referred to members of the public opposing this project as quote unquote agitators and

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others that have an agenda other than to seek information. Mayor, Mr. Mayor, do you stand by the comment and believe that the people coming to these meetings and opposing this project are quote unquote agitators and have some kind of ulterior agenda? Is that >> Well, I did hear that there were people some people here that were getting paid

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and then getting paid FOR THE HEARD. I heard it. I heard it. Hold on. >> I I just want to make sure I have this right on the record. You uh you you heard

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>> you heard you heard that PROTESTERS ARE GETTING PAID. >> I heard that. >> You heard that? Okay. What was your source? >> I I I don't even remember. I heard that. >> Everybody sort of thinks it. >> I got I got one more. Thank you guys so

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much. I mean, I could be here for hours, but got to pick the juice. >> Thanks to Fred. >> On Mayor 9th, a resident messaged the mayor expressing concern about a reported explosion at the nest site that occurred the evening prior around 8:00 p.m. seeking information about the incident uh emergency response

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capabilities and future risks. The resident also raised various other concerns about project. The mayor responded claiming no knowledge of the explosion, but nonetheless basically claimed it couldn't have been [clears throat] warme. Additionally, the mayor's response was not provided in over materials. So, I have a two-part

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question for this one. Can the mayor explain how she knew that the explosion had nothing to do with Cory's project while simultaneously saying she had no knowledge of the explosion? And can you explain why this exchange with the resident was not disclosed as part of our request for all communications regarding the four

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project? >> I don't know what email it is. >> My house. >> The explosion shook my house. You know, I'm on your own site. I don't they I go by what our fire chief told me. He told me it was a turbine that malfunctioned. And the the reason why I say it's not

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the core site is that the bu the building is not built yet. It's not operating. But well, there's there's Onyx Onyx owns 70% of that property. Corre only has 30% of that property. So there are other companies and other things happening on

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that site. And it my fire chief told me it was a turbine that malfunctioned and I believe him. >> You had nothing to do with poor. >> He didn't he didn't say that. He said it was a turbine that malfunctioned. It was >> it was coming from the uh coming from

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the cogen the cogen. Uh >> but you told the president well because the building is it is not built. They're not operating. So I don't see how there could be an explosion. Or maybe I you know

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>> I just want to before I got get out of here I know I've gone way over time so I appreciate that. Uh >> I just want to reiterate the burrow of Kennorth whether the folks up on this uh lecture here want to consider themselves the burrow of Kennorth and acknowledge that or not. The burrow of Kennallorth

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is aware that there are plans by Corine to build two additional AI data centers on this property a large substation. They were made aware of this fact or this intention. It is on the subdivision applications that were submitted on and approved on April 28th and it is

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documented that that was the purpose for those subdivisions. And we do know that this bureau has not disclosed this information to the public even when we directly asked you to your faces. So I just wanted to reiterate that as a final point. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> [applause] >> One second. One second. One one second before we speak. >> Ladies and gentlemen, I've been advised that the capacity in this room is >> it it it's for 95 people. There are presently 103. in order to

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>> you never said anything about this. >> In order in order to avoid a public in order to avoid a public health and safety, what we're respectfully asking is after you're done speaking, you don't have to leave. Just please wait in the hallway so that we are compliant so that we are compliant in here.

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>> But not true. Smaller and hotter. What about the executive room over there? >> It's going to get bigger. >> The police and the fire department. Let's get them going. >> Next time we'll have it somewhere else. >> Yeah. Is it possible to open that room

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back there? >> Protect our community. [applause] Let's turn the clock back. >> Okay. Hi, my name is Kay Henry. I was here last month in May and I spoke to all of you. Um, tonight has really

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caught me off guard with the way that you are regarding your residents. Now, if I were to remind you something is that you are the mayor. >> Did you know that you are the mayor? >> I do know that. So, because you are the mayor, you should know about what's going on in your community. You are also everyone's public servant. This is your

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job. You're supposed to listen to the people of Kennorth and listen to what they have to say and not say what that what they have to say is not educated or they're not facts or they're not they don't know what they're talking about because you tore a facility owned by a private equity company. What do you

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think that that private equity company is going to tell you? Facts. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Okay. That's what I thought. So instead of listening to your community members, you're still listening to a multi-millionaire company. Billion. Because still once

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again, quarter of a billion dollars. Remember when I said that last time we got all heated? That's all right. Um but then we start talking about how you're going to look at things after it's already built. Look at the environmental concerns. Look at the water concerns. Look at the noise concerns after it is built. When that's not how things work.

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You can still do environmental studies even before a project is built. I'm an environmental scientist. I have a degree in this. I also come from an organization in which I volunteer from. We have taken down six data centers, one that was just like this in Monroe Township, New Jersey. And I was the one

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who helped them do that. And you're sitting here and not listening to community members saying that they want to pause. You don't even have to. That's what they >> I'm going to stop you. I don't have the power to pause. No, the council has the I do not have the power. I am a weak

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lawyer. A weak mayor. BUT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO HEAR THAT. >> The council votes. They can cause it, not me. >> She's not just happened last time. Again, this is my public comment. You guys asked for respectfulness for us to listen to you

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while you spoke and I am speaking and I apologize. I'll speak after you. Go ahead. I'm sorry. >> I appreciate it. Um, >> that's basically all I have to say. Just once again, remind yourself that you are the mayor. You work for the people for you. Even though they're doing all the research and working on all of this for

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you and you're still not listening. Thank you. >> [applause] >> before he speaks up. I our I one second. Our form of government is a weak mayor form of government. Specifically, the

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man running for um council that was on council actually rewrote the bylaws, long-standing bylaws to circumvent and neutralize me. And you can all open request that, okay? And read the changes. And then again this year, this

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council voted to change those barriers again to take additional power away from me. So if you want somebody to stop this and vote for it, you're not Don't look at me. Look right here cuz they're the ones WHO with all that deflection and what we

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heard from the gentlemen about the operation, the things you've been involved in, I think you should maybe reconsider how you're acting. My name is Joseph 17th Street Kenworth resident, former employee of the Department of Public

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Works. I have a special request, a personal request from my heart and soul about drivers in Kenworth and people who drive through Kennorth that when you see the sanitation trucks going down the street, just remember when the flash

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flashing lights are on, there's boots on the ground behind those trucks. So, please just have a little bit of patience. The only thing between my guys and you is a reflective vest. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause]

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>> The cosmetic thing's not ours. >> What is it? Do you have another microphone? >> Hello. Testing. Okay, I think it works now. Thanks. >> What is that that's hanging from there? >> I don't know. >> Somebody else. >> Hi, my name is Meline Lee. I've been up

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here before. I have a basic question. In reviewing the OPRA documentation, it appears that the deadline, including the 60-day extension of April 13 to designate core week. Okay, can you hear me now? >> Okay. [laughter]

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>> Okay. So, in reviewing the OPRA documentation, it appears that the deadline, which includes a 60-day extension to April 13th to designate Core Weave as the redeveloper, has expired. Does this designation process start over

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again? So, I was just curious about, you know, what what happens now? I'm not sure I the federal attorney interject there. >> What? >> To be to be quite frank, I'm not involved in the redevelopment process

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>> to be able >> to designate Cororeweave as the redeveloper. >> Yes, I understand. And I'm not the redevelopment attorney, so I'm not in a position to have access. I I haven't analyzed all the documents to be able to answer your question accurately and I

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apologize for that. >> Can we get back to her? >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] >> Hi, Mary Savino. Uh 20 North 23rd in Kennorth. Uh, councilman and uh, mayor,

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I have no doubt that when you made these decisions to okay this data center that you were you had the best interest of Kennallorth in your mind and in your heart. But now that you have seen the will of

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the people, I don't know why you consider us the enemy. >> We don't. >> Why are you on the other side? Mayor Carloich, >> come to our side. >> We are on your side. >> You're not. >> So, ma'am, there's been a data center.

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>> Come to our side. >> We've never been against you. >> We've never been against you. >> Never been against you. >> Listen, >> it is not you verse us, ma'am. It is not you verse us. You know, it is not. >> But you're listen, >> there's a lot of hyperbole and there's a lot floating around on the internet.

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There's a lot of studies and counter studies. Whether we are right or wrong, >> you see the will of the people and you continue to act like we're the enemy. >> We do not >> Mr. Come to our side, Mr. Piper. Come to

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our side. It's not to You keep digging your heels in. >> You keep digging your heels. this this governing body there's been a data center operating on this property for probably for decades had a data center

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but it was an approved use already I do I do >> AI centers take up incredibly more >> uh energy than the data center that was there when shared >> it's the planning board that they came to the planning board for their approval not to this governing body okay

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>> whatever I'm asking for the people who are in charge of taking care of us to come to our side. That's all I'm asking. >> We're not We're not against you. And there was not >> against us. Well, I'm sorry you believe that because we're really not. We're we're looking at the facts. In fact, I

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don't know if anybody saw nj.com over the weekend. Sir, why are you interjecting so much? >> I'm sorry. You're wearing you're wearing a press jacket. I've never seen the press do that before. But ma'am, I'll I'll let you know that NJ.com put out a piece last week and they addressed the

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energy concerns and they specifically cited the the Kennallorth data center talking about how they are going to be paying their own way for the energy infrastructure and when that happens the energy prices don't spike and go to the consumer. This is not me speaking. This is NJ.

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>> Okay. See, every time we talk about a counterargument to what you all hear on the internet and what you're researching, nobody wants to hear it. You attack us. You demoralize us. You put us down. You tell us we're corrupt. You tell us we're on the take. It's unbelievable.

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It's wild that we keep having this conversation. We're trying to talk to you and then we get told that we're not we're wrong every single time. And I'm not against you and I'm sorry you stop attacking us. >> What I'm saying is So why don't you

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>> Where do you want me to go? >> We've approved the project just like that young man said who had all the paperwork that he operated. It was approved over a year ago. >> The site is going up, right? So you have it already happening. If you want to

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talk about perspectively the new sites that are going to come, those have not gone before the planning board yet. So we cannot comment as a governing body on them just yet. We they have not been approved. So when the subdividing happened because a company bought the

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land and in America you have the right to do what you want with your property and they came to the land board. They followed the process of owning the property and got it subdivided. >> And when you approved it, can I ask what was your mindset in thinking what is the benefit to Kevin? What what is the

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benefit? >> Yeah, thank you for asking that. We've we've gone over this a few times and there is substantial ratable benefit for the people of Kennaworth and there will be more community benefits that will come. >> There were no tax breaks issued by the

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by the burrow of Kennaworth. That was from the state of New Jersey. Misinformation has been at this podium and screamed at from the side of the room for a very long time, for months. And we've we've been clearing this up. >> We've been clearing this up that Excuse

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me. Okay. >> When the speaker's talking to us, I don't know why that involves you. I really don't. But you're allowed to come up here and have your time just like she was. So, we'll respect your time. I'm going to ignore that. >> There are significant ratables. We have

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permitting that goes on. The town sees revenue from these types of things that revenue. Are you a Kennorth resident or are you from a different town? So, right down the street. So, you know, four years ago, we had a tax increase probably about $1,000 on an average home when you added up the school and the municipality that now because of all the

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activity and all the work going on, we're going to have a $80 tax increase for the school, for the county, for the burrow. Um, >> if if you lived in this town and cared about affordability like we all do, you would care about how your property taxes. So when you're talking about four

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years ago seeing a thousand increase because we did have merc leave at that time and now we're seeing more activity come onto the site because it's an industrial park. We needed to be occupied for our town to survive. >> Live up to everything that they say. >> We get every single right to have our voting officer go there and correct

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every problem. >> Yeah, we absolutely >> the state D also has the right to do that. So everybody keeps saying that they're going to do this whether they told us what they're doing or not. They don't get to do that. They have to follow what they say. >> $1.8

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billion enterprise. It's not going to be that easy to shut down. >> It's significant. It is. And it's beautiful to see that coming to Kennallorth. The surrounding areas are benefiting as well. I PERSONALLY RESOURCED.

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It's onethird of our town. probably makes up about half of our taxes. >> You know, I don't want to see that unoccupied. >> I I feel you sold us out. >> I I I I feel your soul. >> We don't control what a German company does with their property.

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>> If you followed Merk's news, you'd know the answer to that. They decided to stay in Raway, not Kennorth. >> We're not allowed to put housing on that site because there's a deed restriction. So, all all these suggestions, thank you, but they're not reality.

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>> Hey guys, um I don't know if you guys remember what I said last time about all the nature stuff. I'm not from here. I'm 30 minutes. I'm from Newark. And I just want to finish what I had um written. Um you know, the people from Newark are the

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same way, too. I I see that New Jersey, you know, I I really I love New Jersey. I truly do. And I love Newark. um despite all the corruption and it it's getting worse and um you know I really wanted to say it's a spiritual warfare this fighting back and forth is

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getting angry it's really just a distraction and we're all we really do have to pick a side you got to pick a side good or bad so if the people and one of the girls said is you're working for us the money that you're getting paid is the money that the the hard

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workers and who am I to say cuz I'm a stay-at-home mom these people work their bones off to to they will die for their families. So that money is not just nothing, you know. Um I would just a question, you know, a rhetorical question where how much do they pay you

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for you to literally shut down your soul? I'm I'm not asking anybody but just somebody anybody that I can relate to because you know we're all pay anything. >> That's um that is question. I I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT.

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>> IT'S JUST A question that only GOD CAN ANSWER. ACCUSING US OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY >> cuz I got a family at home and I can't be here fighting back and forth cuz like I said this this fight is God's fight and he's already >> right. But you're accusing us of criminal activity. You realize that,

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right? You don't have to ANSWER IT. IF IT IF IT RELATES to you and if it if it hits you somewhere, then it might relate to you. I'm not pointing fingers at nobody. I just wanted to say that that it's a it's a spiritual warfare. You got to pick a

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side. And whatever side you pick, you know, if you're content with it, then it just it really separates the line between two people cuz there's a lot of people that don't feel like that and and they're going to hold on to their soul. So, I'm just going to finish what I have to say cuz I really do have to go. This

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is in Spanish and I'll say it in English. It says Pedro aliso. It says, "It is not that we are small. It's just that we we are on our knees. It's not that we are small. It's just that we are on our knees. Pedro alis

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Puerto Rico. Lolita Lebron. I didn't come to kill anyone. I came to die for Puerto Rico. Lolita Lebron. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and into

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and to institute a new government. The Declaration of Independence, 1776. And the government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth. Abraham Lincoln. I'm going to say that again. And the government and that government of the

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people, that government of of the people, by the people, for for the people shall not perish under God from the earth. Abraham Lincoln. My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me and I and I give to them

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eternal life and they shall never perish. Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27-26. I'm just going to say it again. My sheep hear me and I know them and they follow me and I give to them eternal life and

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they shall never perish. Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [clears throat] John 10:27-28. For you know that I that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your

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ancestors, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. Peter 1:18-19. I'm just going to say it again. For you know that it was not without perishable things. It wasn't with silver or gold. It wasn't with money. It wasn't with

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checks. It wasn't with under the counter. It wasn't with, oh, um, you know, I'll buy you a new house and I'll build you an underground home so when everything goes to [ __ ] excuse my language, you got somewhere to go. It's not with none of that that I bought you

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or and redeemed you from the empty way of life, which that is an empty way of life, handed down to you from your ancestors. Our people have been living like this for for ancestors. Our answers have been living like this and that's why we we live like this now. But with

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the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. So, we're saved by Jesus Christ if you believe in him. I just want to say, yeah, God bless America cuz I love New Jersey and I love America despite how we got it. You know, this people will die for what they

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believe in. And um I love my country and you know it might be a lot of bad things going on and people are getting angry but if you look at it it's a lot of good things happening and God is always going to win. And you're going to get distracted by all the yelling and all the screaming, all the angry and all the

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the people with no souls in their heart that that that it disrupts the people that do have souls because they get angry and they don't understand it. Um, but there's good things happening and I saw online that a lot of places in um, New Jersey and I think New Jersey but

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around the United States that they're banning AI data centers. So, you know, in New Jersey, we have luscious lands. We're not like any place in this country and um we should protect it and um yeah it's it's a spiritual

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warfare and I just hope that something some I hope somebody changes and you know I think we should think about God and just like thank him. [applause] Hi, Will Del from Bloomingdale at Cranford down the street.

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>> Hello. Testing. >> So, I I think a big problem that happens in uh government at all levels is uh people who are elected um as you've stated try to make decisions that they believe in their point of view is the best for the community. Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes they're making decisions

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not with that in mind. But let's suppose that is what someone thought. Uh I think that's that's a mistake because the role of someone in public service is to do exactly what the residents think is best for them, not what you think.

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[applause] >> Even if you disagree with those residents, it's always better to respect their will. >> Yes. And this begs the question, why was a referendum not put in place for an issue that is so controversial? [applause] >> That no referendum that no referendum

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was had or uh offered can give the optics that the decision uh would not be in agreement with that referendum. >> Right. when I'd like to know uh when did this

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committee inform Cranford of the AI data center plans? >> So anytime some project for zoning gets approved, I believe all the bordering towns are notified of it. So when the planning board would have done what they had to do, the planning board secretary would have notified your town of what's

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happening. >> Do you know who that uh would be have been notified in Cranford? Uh Laura, is it the burrow administrator of each town or the township committee? The if it's not a burrow, who is it? The clerk. >> Yeah. Okay. So, that's who it would be. Do >> you know the approximate date of when this notification would have been?

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>> It would have been right when that was going to be heard by the planning board and then right after it got approved. >> When was that about again? >> You had the dates right there, sir. Oh, I thought you did. Um >> May 15 last year. >> May 15th last year. Okay. I let this for the record and all media here to know that our our own town committee has

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publicly stayed our last meeting. They were never informed of this. >> It's pretty procedural that we we send those notices. It happens every time. >> I would I would agree. >> Sorry. That >> I'd like it to be on the record that our uh Thompson committee when asked when we

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brought it to their attention a few weeks ago said the first they knew of the AI center was when I myself brought it to their attention. That's odd because I get in my mailbox all the time things from Springfield and Cranford and Rosel Park and Union all the time about what zoning changes they're making. So

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the same reciprocity happens from us to them. >> Yeah, I I would I would think so. I'm sure I'm sure they would know. Um Cororeweave has been in their brochure, are you aware have been advertising no businesses in downtown Kennorth. Their uh Cororeweave brochure is advertising

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its proximity to the Crane for downtown. >> So that's the Onyx brochure. That's not Corweave. Just so you know, it's on their website. Just clarify, right? It's on the Onyx uh Nest website. I I did see that. Yeah. Onyx website. Yeah. >> And uh and how and thank you. How is uh

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attorney Michael Ash involved in in this uh arrangement? >> He's one of our town attorneys. Development attorney. >> Your redevelopment attorney? Yeah. >> Are you aware that he's also Cranford's redevelopment attorney? >> It's pretty common for these lawyers to >> have jobs like that across townships.

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Yeah. Are youware are you aware that there's a lawsuit against him because he >> is being accused of hit, hiding, and doctrineing the financial documents pertaining to the uh 30-year tax exemption given to the billionaire developer in Cranford, Harts Mountain. And he hid and he is being accused of

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hiding and uh doctoring these documents from our own township committee in order to pass this 30-year exemption. >> I'm not aware of that. >> Not aware of that. It's been it's a a three. [laughter] >> So yeah, so I think it's um uh it's not

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about listening. No one cares about anyone listening in the service industry. You place your order, they bring you your order, they don't tell you to order something else. So I think the biggest problem with government today is the uh misunderstanding that I'm elected to decide for you. And and I

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would reiterate the the purpose is to find out listen to what the residents want and do nothing but that other than give your opinion [applause] [applause] [music] my >> [applause]

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[applause] [applause] >> I thought we were asked to take this seriously. [applause] [cheering] >> [cheering] [applause] >> Well done. >> Residents deserve access to independent

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third party analysis and testing. >> Sure. My name is Dominique 107 Meadow Road Clark. So, it seems that you want us to just accept your points and and we do not

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want the data center. But not only are we not wanting to accept your points, we deserve access to independent third-party analysis and testing, not solely information provided by Coreweave. It's very obvious that when you read points to us, you are reading

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talking points. you are not, you still have not provided us with independent testing, which we are asking for over and over and over again. How are we supposed to trust you when you're sitting here repeating the same talking points and then not having specific answers for our questions? And when we

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bring up valid concerns, you state that this is internet propaganda or things we found on the internet. When we know how to do real research, we hear concerns of other citizens in other areas that live near data centers. We see their lived experiences and what are happening to

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them and we also see the data that is coming out from people that are living near these data centers. You're continuing to just throw brush this under the rug and repeat talking points. There still has been no independent testing done at all. So

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>> that's you you're not even giving us a little bit like take like give and take here. Like not only do we not want this center at all, you haven't even offered us anything that can make us feel okay about it. Just what they've told you to say.

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And um so something came up earlier with the water how it's a closed loose loop system. These computers create so much heat that even though the closed loop system is cooling them that things need to move

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the heat around. And in the plans there are there's a chiller yard with 30 chillers. >> Are is that chiller yard using water? Evaporated water is it evaporating or is it using fans? >> I believe it's glycol. >> Glycol to chill. And this is not an

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evaporated system. >> This is not evaporated. What we can >> Didn't you say there was no hazardous waste coming out of the warehouse like when they started this? >> It needs to be flushed and it evaporates. >> It does evaporate.

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>> It doesn't work. >> Thank you for your time. [cheering] [applause] My name is Riley Kuklo. I'm from Cranford. It's nice to see you're here in person. Last time I was here, you were not here. Last time I was here, it was in May. Since then, I've turned 18.

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I've taken my APs and I'm getting my diploma in less than a week. CONGRATULATIONS. [cheering] [applause] >> I'm sure we would all love to move on with our lives. I would like to go home. >> We are still here. We are still fighting this data center. state that will

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encompass 400,000 square feet. It is expected to demand up to 250 megawatts of energy, electricity, I'm sorry, which could you be used to power 500,000 homes. A data center that was dropped on residents without an adequate warning.

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And you can say otherwise, but an entire town claiming to not know about significant plans like these is pretty damning against your point. So, you could say it all you want, but we that we don't know. We don't know. Okay. Regardless, in light of me graduating next Tuesday, I'd like to give a physics

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lesson. The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. If we if we apply that to our closed loop system, what you'll see is that as the water circulates through the system, it is continuously using

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thermodynamic energy to cool the servers. So then in order to recool that water so it can continue to circulate and do its job, the system requires an immense amount of electricity. I'm talking like a lot a lot. You don't

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understand that. You you don't you don't understand that. And more it's more than a substation can provide more than that whatever substation can provide for a long period of time. How long is this thing going to be running? Probably for the foreseeable future. Am I correct? >> It's been running for decades. No, that in the data center the data center

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>> the proposed the proposed data center. >> I don't >> you don't know. Okay. >> I assume it's going to be running >> um sorry I lost my point. Um >> sorry I lost my I lost my place. >> This will drive up electricity cost per priority. I'm sorry I lost my I lost my

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place. Which brings me to my next point. You seem to have an issue with people from neighboring towns coming in and giving their input. >> I do not. >> You did say that. You did you a couple meetings ago you did say that I saw the video agitators? >> I I did.

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>> All right. >> You mean I have I have a video. You want me to show you the video? >> Have any issue from >> You want me to show you the video of you saying it? >> I'll pull it up later and I'll send it to your email. >> All right. You can. >> Um, so that was really frustrating to hear. Hello. Hi. 10-minute drive away.

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If your empathy and capacity to think of consequences cannot extend 10 minutes outside of your town, it should not be your job to p to not pass but to be in charge of overseeing things like all of you. >> Exactly. >> There is not some invisible line that

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stop that will stop this data center from affecting Cranford or Springfield or Roso Park. So yes, I and everybody else in this room who happens to not be from Kennorth can come in and we can talk to you. And cuz last time I checked, you're not paying my parents electric bill.

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And forget my parents for a second. What about everyone in the PJM grid region? 12 states plus DC. Ben mentioned it. All of our utilities are connected. If a data center is built in Virginia, utilities go up. If one is built here, utilities go up in the entire region.

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this and this hypers scale data center is shaping up to be one of the largest in New Jersey's recent history. It is absolutely insane to me that you don't seem to know this or worse you don't seem to care. Is that what you want your residents to think that you don't care >> cuz your about your town, about your community? Cuz that's what we think

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right now. Union County, we're all connected. All of us, one county, we're all connected one way or another. I don't blame you for prioritizing Kennorth. That is your job. But does your empathy for me end and for other people who have to pay their bills when I cross that imaginary line and take that short drive back home? As soon as I leave your town, all these people leave

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your town. Does your capacity to think of consequence end there? >> Absolutely not. And I want to just mention that that Quir is spending $150 million to pay for that grid. That's not going to be passed on to any rate.

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>> They got PSEG has told me that over and over. >> They got $250 million in subsidies. Where do subsidies come from? Can you answer that? >> That's from the state of New Jersey. Those are tax credits. >> You pay the state of New Jersey that was published in the NJ. >> That's the state. We did not do that.

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You take that fight out. You have proved it. You have proven time and time again from your statement on Facebook to your childish behavior in THIS ROOM. WHEN I WAS LAST HERE, you left the Zoom call. You quit. You said, "I'm out. You didn't like what we were saying to you. You

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left. You can't do that." Correct. >> I was in the middle of the ocean on a cruise ship. >> I was in the middle of the ocean on a cruise ship. So, >> and no, I had Listen, IF EVERYBODY SAID I'VE BEEN ON A CRUISE, YOU'LL KNOW WHAT THE INTERNET is like. HOW MANY HAD SO MUCH FUN on your cruise

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ship? Yes. >> I want I I did not have to come at all. Okay. I did not. And I've never missed the meeting and I wanted to show up because of what was going on. >> SO I I JUST let you took over and you did a terrible

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job. I'm sorry. He did um you did a good job. >> I'm sorry. You're You're being very disrespectful. Okay. >> All right. >> You're being very disrespectful. You have somebody shouting from the side saying that she's yelling at a teenager.

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You're being disrespectful. So, I mean, you you're making your points. They've been said many times before. Please finish. >> Wow. >> I mean, it's beyond irresponsible. You have high schoolers telling you to do your homework. >> No. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY TELL ME IN

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HIGH SCHOOL ENGLISH TO DIVERSIFY your sources to ignore bias. Use sources. You're getting all your information from Corby. What are they going to tell you? The negatives, LIKE KAYLEE MENTIONED, NO. THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU, "YES, we would love to put this data center in your town. Here is everything good that's going to happen, and we're going to conveniently ignore all the terrible

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things that are going to come of this." They are playing you, plain and simple. YOU ARE A PUBLIC SERVANT. YOU WORK FOR US. >> WAKE UP. THAT IS YOUR JOB. THAT IS ALL YOUR JOB. [applause] DO right by your community. DO THE RIGHT THING AND listen to us. You can DO

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SOMETHING. SO, SHUT IT DOWN. >> SHUT IT DOWN. >> [cheering] [applause and cheering] [applause] >> MAYOR, I'M NOT HERE to berate you or or to counsel, >> but [clears throat] I do have a question for you. You said you're a weak mayor. Okay. And again, I'm not here to to

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berate you >> form a government. >> Donald Trump would never say he's a weak president. You have the power as a mayor, just like he has the power as a president of this great nation. All right, Mr. Marorrow,

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>> you you've been talking. So, I I respect that. But a lot of the other council members, Piper, same thing. You've been talking, but I haven't really heard much from Mr. Bole. I I don't know much about you. I don't know much about this town. Like I said, we just moved here not too long ago. You're saying it's going to bring a lot

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of money to the town. You basically sold your people out. And I know you've heard it before. I don't know a lot about these data centers and I know the experts that were up here. So, I'm not going to continue to act like I know. But I do know that the fact is your people are asking you, they're pleading

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with you to stop it. >> Can you stop? >> And I know you can. You can stop it. Am I right? There there has to be something in law that you can shut it down. If you said I could put anything where my house is. So if I want to put I don't know a a

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fine dining shop where my house is, I could put it there. >> You have to go to the planning board for a variance just like Corweave did. >> But again, why after all these people are telling you over and over and over, are you doing your homework, Mr. >> I am. And thank you for being so respectful up here. The planning board

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did approve the project. I'm not aware of any avenue we can take to shut down a pre-approved project. The reason for that would be there's a liability on the burrow and if you're a resident here, I'm sure I don't want the bill for the lawsuit. So, we're not going to be in a position to shut down money.

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>> You're putting money over health. >> I'm not putting money over health. >> I'm sorry. I've cited Northern Virginia before. I got a lot of people that just pulled out the hyperbole that they found on the internet. Northern Virginia, Prince William County has more data

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centers, hypers scale data centers, than anywhere else in the world. We do not hear about the horror stories the way that we're all talking about them here. >> Just like you all said your living experiences of the people that lived near these facilities. These facilities

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existed before Corwe came to Kennorth. We've looked at them. The mayor's talked about going on site tours. Everybody just wanted to discredit it. >> But but she doesn't she doesn't seem >> All right. There's one man up here talking. Can we just have the conversation? >> Mr. Mo, you you seem like I mean you

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seem like all of you seem very intelligent. However, you're lacking you're lacking something right now. >> Mr. Piper, I don't know what your position is. I'm assuming it's something within the city. I again I don't know. But again, if if you're part of this planning, zoning board, mayor, I mean,

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you should be able to shut it down. You were concerned last month somebody did mention I guess it was either Nutley or it started with an N. I don't know muchly. >> So with the brown water you were concerned for your family, right? So now what happens when you have I'm assuming

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you're from Kennallorth. What happens when you have brown water or >> Can I can I tell you that the water was brown because there was a major water mane break in Clifton. It had nothing to do with the data center and I did research that it had nothing to do with data center. >> But how long have you been mayor? I did my homework. Is it six years now?

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>> No. Six years? Yeah. >> Six years? Yes. >> Do you think you're going to get voted back in again? Not that you probably care, but do you think you're going to be voted back in again after all of this? >> Do you Well, I'd have to decide whether I was running or not [clears throat] again. >> I wouldn't run. I wouldn't want a weak

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mayor. I just wouldn't. >> I I I'm not going to even answer that question. That's a personal decision. Like all these people, all they want is answers. >> And the only one that seems to be answering is Mr. Morrow. He answers somewhat in in a different way.

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>> I have answered as well. >> Well, I think you're just given a lot of lip service to be honest, mayor. >> Oh, I'm sorry you feel that way. >> Well, thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Piper. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] >> Hi, my name is Chelsea. I'm from Cranford. I just want to say hell yeah

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to Douglas Piper for supporting some of the people coming up here and talking and clapping [applause] for us. CAN WE GIVE THOSE HYPER A ROUND OF APPLAUSE? HELL YEAH. OKAY, first of all, I want to say I'm so excited that you think I'm an agitator

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and a paid protester. That's so cool. But I just told you. >> I'm from 1 and a half miles away. I can walk to the Kennallorth BFW. I also used to live in this town. Um, okay. So, I'm not going to run on the hamster wheel and try to convince you guys that this

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is bad. everybody else is doing that. You clearly know it is okay. But what I want to know is when the news was here, if this is a groundbreaking facility where you know it's [clears throat] not going to use any water, it's not going to pollute the environment. It's um not

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going to drive up our electric bill. News12 was here. Why didn't you go Why didn't you have like your own little press conference? >> They did have a press conference with News12 and they picked and chose what they wanted to put in there. >> This would be international news. The

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first EVER I SEE THAT AS the first ever first ever groundbreaking data center is is coming to Kettleworth when there was an innovation. >> This should be a huge deal. This should be international news. Linda, >> I think it is.

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>> I THINK IT IS. >> WHY isn't it? >> I think Kettle Worth is famous. Why is it? >> For the wrong reasons. For the wrong reasons. It's It's news for the wrong reasons. Linda, you know it's bad. Everyone's telling you it's bad. We've told you for like 6 weeks now that this

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is bad. That do you think there's like that much misinformation out there that this is all just made up? I don't think I don't think all data centers are created equal. >> Do you think that everything we're saying is made up? >> No, I don't. No, I don't. And I think

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there probably are some bad data centers out there that I absolutely >> And this one's different. This one's different to be. This one's different than all the other data centers >> from the engineering reports that I've read. >> It's the first of its kind. You're you're telling us this is the first of its kind. >> Well, it's not the first of its kind.

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You know, there's over 80 data centers data center FOR NEW JERSEY. >> NO, THE DATA CENTERS THAT USE water and they pollute. Is this the first data center of its kind that's like this? >> I I can't answer that question because it's not. And you know it's not. And you

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know that these data centers that we're talking about are the one that you're talking about. Okay? We are not dense. We are not obtuse. Your constituents are smart. Okay? These are smart people that

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know how to research. Stop treating us like we're not intelligent. We know that this data center is the same as the other data centers that people are complaining about. This is not a groundbreaking brand new data center that's never been

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seen before. Okay, stop acting like it is. It's not. It is not. That's all I have. [applause] Hi. Um Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I was up here a moment ago and I forgot to introduce myself. My name is Aqua. Um, and I'm 15 years old and I live in

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Union, New Jersey. Um, I don't want to come up here and start like yelling at you guys and what you guys may deem as disrespectful. Um, but earlier a woman in this room said that we are all adults here. I am not. I'm a child and I'm a teenager who can't even vote yet, but I'm forced to stand here at this

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microphone because I feel as if the adults in this room aren't protecting my future. I want to take a second for you guys to think about the future. You're saying there's nothing you can do now. We can't look at the future. I have grown up in this community my entire life. Um, I live less than 15 minutes away from the site. In fact, this u

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multi-million dollar data center is being built just a five-minute walk from so many people's home, a 5-minute walk from my sister's door. And I look around this room and I'm almost certain that none of you live that close to this project. And I wouldn't wish that anxiety upon any of you. But because I have to live with it, I'm standing here

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tonight to ask you one simple question. Why? What is your justification for putting this um into our backyards? And how can you justify this when you have done almost no independent research, choosing instead to be handfed corporate talking points straight from the company profiting off of our neighborhood? I

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understand that you're sitting here and you're saying, "Oh, we've heard this a million times." But I don't want to stand here and call you corrupt. I don't want to say that you're demoralized or undermining the people you serve. But I will tell you that this is heartbreaking. It is deeply disheartening to spend my childhood, the years where I should worry about school and being a kid, watching a state built

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on community, family, and genuine connection slowly but surely sacrifice its people for profit. Towns across all Thank you guys. Towns across all New Jersey and the entire country are banning these data centers because they know the toll it takes on these neighborhoods. Even

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Union, where I'm from, has already banned them, Mayor Frasier. Yet, you are choosing to build this right on our border. Look at me and look at our neighbors. We are the ones who have to live in the shadow of your decision for the rest of our lives. Please, moving further, even if it's too late as you say or there's nothing you can do,

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remember what actually matters and protect our home. Thank you. [cheering] [applause] >> [applause] >> Hi, I'm Christine. Uh, I live on Koolage Drive, McKenna's resident. I've been here before. Um, and on that note, a

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burough attorney. What's your name? Because you're not somewhere. >> Greg Asadorian. >> Hm. >> Greg Aidorian. >> Aidorian. >> Yes. I work with >> Greg. Yes. Uh, I made that mix up with you the last time I was here. So, I'm

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actually going to uh mirror Matteline's point that as of April 13th of this year, there's no designated redeveloper. Um, and you said you're not sure about that because you're not the planning board attorney. >> No, that's not what I said. I said I'm not the redevelopment attorney.

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>> A redevelopment attorney. Thank you. Um, I asked you that question on May 20th. So, why didn't you come back with an answer for this one? Do we have a designated redeveloper? >> I don't think I was here on May 20th.

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You may have asked Mark, but >> do you remember me? Cuz you said, "Oh, yeah, I'm the better looking coworker." >> Yeah, >> you made a joke about Mark. >> I did make that joke. I don't know if it was you, but I don't know if it was me. >> But, >> but I asked you that question. No,

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>> wait. Have you made >> Yes. And I'm not the redevelopment attorney. I'm not the proper person to ask. That's what I'm trying to tell you. >> Okay. So, when do I get to talk to the redevelopment attorney? Where do I get

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these answers? >> Hello. >> The mayor made the extension. She should know. >> I didn't make any extension. I mean, >> everything that I do is voted on by the the council does

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>> and it's irregardless because it lapsed. So, you don't have a designated redeveloper. >> You could Oprah Oprah >> Oprah Oprah your question and you'll get the answer if there's a redevelopment

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designation. >> Right. So, there isn't one. >> Okay. So in relation to what we want to see from the redevelopment agreement, this is the right avenue to do it. Correct. >> Our attorney, I mean, he doesn't

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generally come to these meetings. >> Maybe >> for you to get the answers, you should really file an Oprah as >> Oh, no. Not the answers to pose an adjustment to the redevelopment plan. Is that is this

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>> you're looking you're looking for an amendment to the rebuildment plan? >> Yes. >> Then you plan >> out. There's no designated developer. There's no plan. >> I mean the redevelopment plan is pretty

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much not being followed at all currently. Um so I want an amendment to it. >> How do I do that? Well, I'm not here to provide you with legal advice. You'd have to get your own attorney. >> But if you're looking to pose an amendment,

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>> then you should put that out on the table seeking it. But it you are not if you're not the redeveloper, I don't know how you would amend it. There's certain processes and procedures that >> the redevelopment plan is not for the redeveloper. It's for the

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>> It's for It's for the area. >> Yeah. It's for the area. It's for the town. the municipality makes it and then they assign a redeveloper. Correct. >> I understand that. Yes, that's correct. >> But there's processes and procedures to

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follow. >> What are they? >> You if what you're looking to do is set aside or looking to overdo, you have to avail yourself of the appeal process just like anybody else would.

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It's no different for anybody else. It's the same set of looks. I'm not here to provide you with legal advice. That's not my job. >> I put it here. >> Correct. >> I put it here. >> Believe so. >> No.

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>> I don't believe you can go ahead and challenge the I don't know. I don't know what the law IS HERE. >> WELL, THAT'S COMPLETELY FUNNY. >> What are you here for? >> So rude. You're so rude.

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If a redevelopment plan >> passes, and a redevelopment plan has been passed and if you showed up and objected and I mean you, I mean anybody in the public, it's a public hearing, they have a right to show up [clears throat] and voice

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their opinion. If it passes and the rebound plan gets adopted and the members of the public do not agree with it, their right is to file a complaint in progative writ. You take the jurisdiction to the superior court and you ask them to overdo it for whatever reasons you think are improper. That is

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the process >> to the superior court. >> Okay. Thank you. I will note that. Um I will say [clears throat] um now this was something that I did get from an open request. Um it's not the first time that

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Cororeweave has been doing work. Sans being the designated redeveloper. Um citing Brian Nelson. So that's redevelopment council, right? Um in May of 2025, he expressed concerns that

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Cororee was not the designated developer and was getting applications approved. Of course, the response to that was redacted from the Oprah. [snorts] Um, now Horweave was approved for a

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subdivision and that was April 28th. That was the day like a week or so after designated redevelopment has lapsed. >> Any thoughts on that? >> Well, you make it seem like we don't want development at that property, and

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that's where I would disagree with the premise here. I want activity and development at the property. >> Right. But they're them being the designated redeveloper has lapsed. Correct. >> They said you said so. I don't have the facts in front of me over there. >> That's concerning. Um

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>> is it I mean it's development that's going to go on. It was the developer that we thought was going to be doing the work. So they're continuing to do the work, >> but they're not supposed to be if they're not the designated redeveloper. Oh, also I would like everybody to know that representatives from Core Reeve are

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here today. Say hi. >> Back row. >> So if there are things that our council won't answer, I guess we can start sending it their way. And with that,

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I'm all done. >> [cheering] >> Sh. Thank you. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. >> Something. Thank you. >> All right. Um, if nobody saw, the Intercept came out with an article. Um, and in that article, it admits that the

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Philadelphia Police Department has been properly instructed to highly surveil anybody online opposing artificial intelligence. I'm not saying it's happening in New Jersey, but what I'm saying is we have concrete data that shows that these people are being told, "Watch these people on social media,

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watch for them in your town, etc., etc." So, if there's people in the room who maybe feel like they've been followed or they keep seeing the same people everywhere or the vice chairman of the Union County Planning Board is pointing at you and saying what town you live in when you've never mentioned it in this room, just keep your head on a swivel

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because I would hate for anybody in here to be being surveiled for using what I believe, unless I'm wrong, is your first amendment right. Right. >> Yeah. Um, so >> this is in Philadelphia. That's why >> I'm trying. I'm sorry. [laughter] MIT.

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>> So MIT did a study um over four months. They had one group of people who used generative artificial intelligence to write essays, do research, look at articles. One group used Chat GBT. One group used the library and regular

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Google because just so everybody knows, you don't need to use artificial intelligence integrated into your browser. You can get duck.go. No AI. It's a little old, but it works, right? So you don't have to have artificial intelligence. So this group right here,

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excuse me, this is the group after 4 months that use no chat GBT, no generative AI, no artificial intelligence. See all that activity, the brain moving around, neural connectivity, good thing, right? >> Siri,

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>> four months of chat GBT. You see the problem? The brain's not connected, right? Neural connectivity is down 47% in 4 months. So just a theory, if the people in this room, most of us, don't use AI and that's closer to our

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brain and people up here are very pro AI and this is closer to your brain, maybe that's why we have more questions because our brains are literally functioning. [applause] What is currently? Thank you, Mr. Piper. What is currently occurring at the Nest

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11 building? Site prep, demo, or construction? >> Site prep, [laughter] demo, or construction? You >> literally told us we can't think one second ago. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. AND I GOT TO SAY, anybody resisting AI,

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you're in for a world of hurt in the business community. >> SO, OKAY. THANK YOU. NO, thank you, Mr. I'm talking. It's like I'm using the internet. So, Misso, Missaro, let's have the debate.

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>> Um, I I didn't really want to like delve in, but whatever. I guess I will. um on the October 15, 2025 meeting when Mike Turizi was here and he was proposing more about um the water going through all the cooling servers and all that stuff right Mr. tomorrow asked a question along the lines I don't want to

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misquote you but you know tech moves fast like what happens if this all goes away like what can you do with this area and the answer was they can it can be leased out to other places that need to hold store data like very large corporations possibly the way it happens in a lot of other areas right like I'm not misquing I don't even remember you

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don't recall as a year ago where was AI a year ago where it is now we've seen major advancements >> I'm not major advancements um >> in fact we saw a whole war get fought with AI just in Iran >> oh Not not a good pull. I DON'T THINK IT [laughter] major event. You may like it or not. You

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can't resist. It's holding your hand up to stop a wave. It's not how it works. >> Would you stop screaming out? I'M SORRY. IT IS not your time. HAVE SOME >> DECORUM. Please

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stop lying. Please. >> You can leave if you don't like how this works. >> Does cor have like insurance yet? not like builder risk and stuff like that, but like for when the when it's finalized and everything like normal risk insurance and things like that. Are we aware of that or are you not you might not be sure cuz it's not finished?

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I don't know. Like do they have some form of insurance that is past builder risk and like construction all that type of stuff like for the corporation stuff? Any anybody? >> It's a major corporation. I think we should assume they have risk managers as well. >> Yeah. >> Um >> it's a multi-billion dollar corporation.

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>> I I'm just trying to ask for the record. It's not like I really am not being argumentative with you. Like >> I'm talking to the woman who keeps interrupting. I'm sorry, Miss Panel. I'm sorry. >> I'm up here. I'm not I don't know why you're acknowledging that. >> I I just did it. >> Position senior vice president.

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>> You keep telling me >> senior vice president at Varys, New Jersey City, right? Is that correct? I don't want to be wrong. >> My personal life. Go ahead. >> I'm not looking at personal life. It's so public. I literally do one go no AI search and you can find it. So all I'm asking is can you very briefly just

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explain what that position entails? Is it analyzing risk for companies to then have or is it analyzing risk for insurance companies themselves? Like I know you guys cover for State Farm and things like that. Like is do you do insurance for companies? >> I work for another public company. >> I know

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>> they work there's thousands of employees. You're citing customers. I don't >> But you're the senior vice president of the commercial lines, right? >> Of of many different areas of this company. Yes, I am a senior vice president of one. >> I Okay, thank you. >> Yeah, you're welcome. [laughter] >> Um,

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have you ever been to the Nest 11 building as of May 15th, 2025, Mayor? >> Nope. >> Is anybody up here aware of any of the conditions currently of the Nest 11 building as of today, 2026?

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Is there any unions or anybody at all working in the seller or the Nest 11 building currently? Okay, so I'll tell you um May 29th seller shut down. No more basement work. Crazy flooding, right? Nobody knows

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about this. >> No. Um No. Does anybody know about the Legionnaire's disease? confirmed cases of Legionnaire's disease in the Nest 11 building from workers,

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>> sepsis, two to three uh respiratory illnesses every month where people are being hospitalized. Nothing. No. Okay. Um there's a lot more that I can get into, but I won't. I'm just going to read this text from somebody that unfortunately

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has to work in this building. Um, it just it made me really concerned. My friend was in the hospital after 2 weeks and he's still at home recovering. Most people are so ignorant because they keep saying that people getting sick have these underlying conditions, but everybody in that job that's getting

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sick is getting the same type of upper respiratory infection and being hospitalized. Um, they didn't have underlying conditions, but they're trying to put this blame on the people because they don't want to make it look like coreweave or possibly the general contractor has anything to do with this. >> Wow.

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right there. Uhhuh. >> The building is making them sick. I don't know what it is, but this building is a bad evil building and it's got something very evil in it that's making everybody sick. So, if you guys are not aware, I don't know if I'm just not being told, but if you're not aware of

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the conditions currently at this facility and it's not even close to being done allegedly, you should really have contact because there are OSHA reports. >> Something that has to do with that left over from the shark plow >> well leionaires. Yeah, it's a it's a vat of water. That's where the disease develops, right? So, this would have

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been developing long before Onyx and Corbin got, >> right? But my thing is is to allow a new company to come in and start working. Maybe we should like try to bridge that gap or like solve it a little bit. >> Industrial site. We've been trying to say that for meetings now. That's what happens at industrial sites. And this is

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Legionnaire's disease. You said that literally happens inside of water. So, this is you said flooding with the conditions would make sense. Right. >> It's not It's naturally forming, too, isn't it? It's not like it was put there. >> I can I can email it to you, Mayor. I have the evidence on it. Um,

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>> I don't think it's so uncommon to find Legionnaires, right? That that happens from the water cooling towers. It happens on the cruise ships, right? >> No, it's just a concern that if it is possibly coming from who is now in charge of that vicinity, that there should be some control or don't just

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close the basement down and let OSHA >> come up with department OSHA. This this happens everywhere, right? I mean, this isn't >> I think unfortunately a lot of the things are not unique to to even sheering or merc or uh the data center. So, I I guess I hear your point. There's

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things going on at the site >> current construction and I guess we're dealing with what happens at construction sites. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Mayor Council President. I can shed a little light on this. >> The federal clerk is going to uh she has a response. >> So, I can shed a little bit of light on

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on the Legionnaire's issue. So we were notified the one whenever there is a positive hit of certain communicable diseases one of which is legionnaires it's the responsibility of the medical facility to notify the state the state at that time then notifies the local um

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board of health >> we have at we have taken all our due diligence we have notified that the the property the property owner OSHA has been notified at this point in time there is um one confirmed case >> um from what We understand postings have

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gone up. The developer, the property owner has taken steps to remediate. However, they do not feel that that's where it has come from because there has not been any other consequential um positive cases from that. But steps have been taken. The contractors have been

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notified. OSHA has been notified and they are also taking steps as well. So, as far as the health protocol, um, everything is is happening in accordance with state regul state, county, and local regulations. >> Thank you. I just wanted an actual

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answer. I wasn't trying to be physicious. [applause] >> Hi. Uh, my name is Lori Wade. I'm a resident of Union. Um, however, I lived right across the street from the Merc site when it was sharing and I currently live

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right across the golf course. So, I will be able to see here all of the the data center will affect me and my entire neighborhood. So, my neighborhood and we've actually discussed it as a neighborhood and we also have a lot of concerns. Um, so as was previously mentioned, the union proactively banned

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data centers at their last township committee meeting. Uh, Cranford has banned data centers. Roso Park has moved to ban data centers. Summit discussed an ordinance just last night to proactively ban large data centers. Um, and they provided a ton of transparency to their

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constituents. There were tons of people in the room. I was there for two hours hearing u opposition from summit residents. Um, like the well-informed, intelligent, well-ressearched people who spoke at this meeting and other burough council meetings, um, they knew a ton about data centers. So they actually,

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some of them actually reference this data center as one of [clears throat] their concerns. They also have a pharma site, the Bristol Myers Squibbite that's up for sale. So they see a cor, you know, there's a little bit of a corlary here where they're concerned the same thing could happen in their city. Um, some of them were also from other towns.

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Some of them were angry. Nobody was accused that they were paid to be there. >> Um, interestingly though, all of these ordinances have been introduced in the past month or two. um they're proactive for these towns, but they're clearly bu with based on timing reactive to what's

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being built over at 2000 Galping Hill Road. It's quite literally across the street from Union. It backs up to the fifth ward of Rosel Park. Um these other Union County towns are hearing the outrage and opposition, not just from their own residents, but from residents all over Union County and the residents

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here. Um they're listening to the people who elected them. That's what they were hired to do. Yes. >> So, the priority here should be the health and quality of life of the residents of your town and the greater Union County, so the surrounding towns, and the environmental impacts to you and your neighboring towns, because the

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environmental impact is what's going to uh affect us in the future. Low property taxes won't matter when the property values plummet because there's a loud data center nearby. [applause] Uh so these other cities and townships are listening to the people moving to

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protect their residents, the residents of their towns, the residents of Union County, and the residents of our entire beautiful Garden State. All we want to know is why aren't you? >> We are. [applause] >> Hello. Good evening. >> My name is Jimmy Matthews. I'm a

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resident at in Rosal Park. So, a couple things before I read what I uh planned. So, Mr. Councilman Marorrow, to your point about Prince William County, so I grew up in Northern Virginia, uh spent

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18 years there and I lived in Prince William County. It's my personal opinion that you do not want to model your local development plans on anything like what happens in Northern Virginia. It's a very soulless depressing place to live in suburbia there and that's why

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everyone leaves. All everyone all my friends my family left. They moved to upstate New York and uh so that's one thing. Okay. The other thing is you indicated that you gave the impression to this audience that the sorry you Mr.

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tomorrow gave the impression that it's just kind of procedural formality that information about developments of this size would be shared with neighboring townships and municipalities. Let me tell you how I I found out about this. I am one of the rare people who I'm not on

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any kind of social media. I go to all the town meetings since I moved to Roso Park. Maybe I missed one or two because of extenduating circumstances. There was the big meeting, planning board meeting here where the news broke. It was about two months ago and my

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councilman was there. Thank God he was because the very next day at the council meeting in Rosal Park, there was an ordinance for introduction. Do you know what do you know what it was? It was just to desperately get information from Kennallorth about this project because

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they didn't know anything. All of our zoning law changes, anything that we do in that regard goes to all the neighboring towns. I I get them myself from Rosel Park. I read them. >> So, I would know what's happening when you guys make a change like that. >> You have the same reciprocity with your

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town. >> I completely believe you and I I'm just pointing out that there must be some gaping hole in that system. >> You should ask your councilman and your burough administrator. >> Okay. >> Listen, I'm I I appreciate the way that you approach us. You did this last time

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as well. You were extremely respectful. Thank you for that. >> Look, I understand you have a really hard job. Honestly, it's obvious. >> It's just unfortunate that everybody in the crowd has to scream out when they hear something they don't like. >> I understand that. >> It's very unfortunate. But please keep going. You're you're being very

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respectful. I appreciate it. >> So, let me I I went to the Italian festival >> in Rosal Park and I spoke with Sigella, Mayor Cinderella. He said it was for the AI center. Of course, it's just like, >> okay, >> what what does that have to do with anything?

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>> Well, you know, >> I want to tell you and I I got the information we got from the lawyers. Uh, yes, some of them weave and and other lawyers, you know, and so now we're listening to all of you. We're trying to gather information and

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>> see what's going on and you're all accusing us of like selling our souls out. All right. Anyway, >> all right. Let's let's let's let let's let's give uh respect to the speaker right here, Doug. Council, let's give respect to the person.

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>> Sorry. >> Okay. So, in in business and economics, there's the phenomenon of the principal agent problem. And what the principal agent language refers to is that the agent is delegated the authority by

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another party to act on its behalf. this the other party being the principal. And the reason it's considered a problem, you learn about it in economics 101 or whatever it is, is because it often happens that the agent and the principal have grossly misaligned values when it

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comes to the discretion of agency that they're entrusted with. So typically the remedy available to the principal is to reassert primary agency. In that case, for better or for worse,

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our democratic form of government is one in which the government as an agency is an agency of the principal which is the constituents the in this case the

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residents of Kennallorth, the burrow of Kennallorth. I don't personally have incontrovertible proof that there's this kind of gross misalignment between the delegated agent and the principal, the people of Kennallorth in this case. But

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the usual thing that would take place in a scenario like this is that a referendum would be held. >> And Clerk Reiner, this is probably for you because for matters of voting, the electoral commission, etc., It's not usually within the hands of the council

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to make decisions about that kind of thing. This is more of a procedural issue. Uh please, I request, work with the whatever electoral commission authorities are appropriate to make preparations to hold a referendum on this matter on the matter of prohibiting

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[applause] AI data massive AI data center uses in all zoning districts in the bureau of Kennelorth. It's something that's there's a precedent for and your neighbors in Rosal Park, they have something the ordinances moving forward to do just such a thing.

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So, if there's no motion on that, and I don't expect, it's not really a question. I don't expect you to uh contemporaneously say something about holding a referendum, but if no motion is happening on that front quite soon, I think it would probably be

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the people of Kennallorth may be obliged to hold a referendum of their own and it would probably be admissible in court. And if it passed and the prohibition became law, the police here would be obliged to enforce that law because the

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primary agency here is the people of Kennallorth. [applause] Hello, I'm Melissa Dia. I'm also from Rosel Park. Thank you for taking the time to let me speak. I know I'm not from Kennallorth, but um I just had a

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quick question. I just wanted to confirm I understood. I've been uh in and out during the meeting. Um Mayor, I you said that it's not possible to study something without like the data center without it being fully built. Am I understanding that correctly? Agree.

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What would we We once the data center is complete, the bureau will do our own independent study of everything that they said they would do and we will hold them accountable. So if something that they told us that we believe is not correct, we can stop them from

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operating. >> Okay. Uh one second. Uh can I ask people just to be quiet just so I can hear? Um please. um I'd get distracted. But um if that's the case, I I don't really understand that point because it

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so you're saying that uh the town is committed to studying the outcomes of the data center because I assume you don't want say some of the things that people are saying to come to fruition if there are harmful effects or stress on the grid or anything that would negatively impact the residents.

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Correct. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. So usually and I'm not um an environmental scientist but I am a scientist and usually when we do tests and everything that is done at either a smaller scale or you look at other centers or other areas that have the

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same sort of systems and you come up with estimations and assumptions from there to get a general range. So my question is if it's possible to take data from other centers or other electrical grids or anything like that,

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would the town be open to either passing limits on maximum capacity of energy usage if it is determined by data that that capacity is negatively impacted even if the center is not built yet? Is there an upper limit that the town might

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say we know from data in other places that this is harmful and move to correct that before anything is built at that scale? >> I'm sure we can have a conversation about that. >> We we could I just want to draw a parallel because I think something is getting lost here. So we'll take it down

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from this huge hypers scale center and we're just going to build a house. Yeah. and we're going to say that the house is going to be three stories. And when that house gets built and it's four stories, we as uh as a town because the approval was given for something and it was a planning board variance, they get to

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stop the operations. They get to tell them even if it's finished, you need to bring it down story. So the same thing happens here inside the data center. If they're telling us that the noise has to be the what you say was a a hum of a refrigerator. If it's anything more than those decimal levels, we go back to them

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and say that you you got approval for 0.8 whatever it is and you need to hit that and you have to cease operations until you do. Same thing with the water that they're telling us and the closed loop system. All of these requirements get approved by the planning board through a variance. That variance then

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the construction office here goes and inspects. And I think that's what the mayor is talking about when it's post construction inspection. It must live up to what they said they were doing in the application and if not they need to remedy. So all of that is very true and I think it's it's procedural just like

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the mayor is saying that after it gets built we get to do that. They don't get to lie to us. So if they're telling us they're building you you can you can groan all you want. They are legally submitting these documents. They testify under oath at

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our planning board about what the documents say. Their engineers come, their architects come, everybody at a professional at their site is coming to tell us what's going to happen, even even the lead contractors. And then we then approve the planning, I shouldn't say we, it's the planning board at that

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point. Here's their application under oath. It's in a legal setting and they have to oblige by what they're telling us. If they don't, what the mayor said is how the procedure will play out. So, we have these asurances from them. >> You can believe them if you want. We do have the asurances from them and they

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must live up to that. >> Are you willing to put ordinances or anything else in place to limit um like ambient temperature or anything like that? >> So, if they told us that there's going to be light at whatever candle light

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decimal or however they measure that, then that's all on record. whatever it is that's there that's being approved, there's no need for another ordinance because they have to do what they're saying. That's what the ordinances and the laws in New Jersey already say. Okay? >> So, we don't really need anything extra. They had their day at the planning

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board. They got the approvals. We have one building going up. They must do everything they told us. That's how it works. And everybody's bemoning and begrudging uhly trying to say it doesn't work that way, but it does. So, I I appreciate the debate. I appreciate the

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chance to say that here. Uh and that is the procedure that will happen. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. [applause] >> Good evening. Good evening. It's tough crowd. >> My name is Donna Jackson. I am the New Jersey Hail Raiser. I

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[applause] love you. >> I hail from Essence County, the great city of North. Now, I understand obligations. I understand vacant property, but let me tell you something right now. The autism rate in the state

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of New Jersey is through the roof. You I came in here, I see all these power lines. That's a problem. That's not a regular line up at the top of these tall towers that public service has put in. They're increasing the

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wattage. Now, facts. I got four data centers, small ones in north right now. My public service bill went from $275 to $785. >> Okay. It's only me, my son, and my

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granddaughter in the house. I don't even have an air conditioner. We got two fans. Two. My washer and dryer been disconnected for the last 10 years. Okay. Just giving you, you know, basement got to be redone. So, I have nothing.

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What's $800 of public service? >> I don't know. >> In one month, I did a live at PSENG because of the increases in people's public service bills. I had a lady from Orange, New Jersey, who lives across the street from Orange

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Park in the senior building. She has a onebedroom. Her public service bill went from 215 to 620 for one month. This is the reality in Arizona right now. 75% of the fresh water is gone.

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It's gone. Can't It's not coming back. The fresh water now near and dear to my heart in North because we got eight reservoirs. We probably sell you guys water cuz we sell water to American water. So just imagine we got eight reservoirs today and by the end of next

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year we only got six and then by the end of that next year we only got two, right? Because we're not thinking about that. They want to put a data center at Anheiser Bush cuz these boys are cool. That's 87 stories you 103 108 whatever

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it is over here. So, we ready to give them 200 acres of New Jersey land to suck up our water that they don't pay for. Let's be clear. I know you don't have anything in that contract that say they paying for water. And I know you don't have anything in that contract that say you're paying for electricity

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because it clearly says in all of their contracts, that's why they shut them down in other municipalities, that it's going to be passed on to the rateayer. YEAH, [applause] >> there was a story in nj.com that counters what you're saying. >> Not a problem. I thought what you're

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saying. You want to show what you mean, black and white. >> I I I believe we we do have it here. >> That's fine. Okay. So, so a data center currently, that's why they put these high blockers up. I hate what the contract says, but y'all better watch our public service mess. It takes

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anywhere from 85,000 to 200,000 homes to power one of them. I just told you I got four little ones in New York. We didn't even know we had it. >> Thank God that you're having a little council meeting and you had your

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planning board meeting. Kudos to that cuz every town doesn't do it. But what we do understand in the state of New Jersey right now that's going on with our government is you're anti-residents. Because every time we come in opposition to anything, you guys are like, "Hey, I

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got my pay to play check already. I don't care what y'all talking about." >> And I didn't say you got >> I didn't get any pay to play. I'm not >> Nobody got pay to play. >> I didn't I didn't I didn't say you did, sir. >> Don't accuse us. You >> I didn't accuse you. >> You said we got >> I didn't say you took anything, sir. I

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merely said, but you won't put words in this mouth. I'll say >> I said that it appears I didn't say you took anything. I didn't accuse the mayor either. >> I explicitly said I didn't. So I was >> I didn't say anybody took anything. But it appears to us John Q public

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>> when these things go through after so much opposition. >> It went through before anybody showed up. Just so you know that >> it was advertised in the same way that this meeting was advertised and you're all here. So I just >> because of the volunteers that post

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about this to keep us all informed, not because of what you guys do. You don't >> you could check the actual you COULD [applause and cheering] listen and I and I agree and I disagree, right? So agree to disagree. >> Okay. >> We should be able to come in the middle of the room and meeting of the minds.

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>> There are many of us in this room that are concerned about our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren. Not saying that you're not, but we are. We have done our due diligence in terms of talking to other people, not just in this community, but across the country

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as to what's happening with these data centers, as to how much noise they produce. And I hear you that you're going to have them follow the ordinance. You're going to shut it down. If it's over nine dB, cool if that happens. So now if you go through all of this and it

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does violate everything and you shut it down, you right back where you are. You got a building sitting there with nothing. You have a community and businesses that you remove from there if they need that space that would not be there anymore and it'll be even more

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empty than it is now. All I'm saying is all I'm saying is that you guys need to be up to speed like they are. They need to be up to speed like you are. We need to share documentation in good faith if we have not. Okay? Because I don't know

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if we have. All I know is my inbox is full. My outbox is full from across this state where we talking about putting in 81 new data centers. And the residents of the state of New Jersey are saying to every council and this governor who has

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lost her mind and the state legislator that we're not doing this. We got AI cameras in our schools and there's already issues. I don't need my child that didn't do anything having his picture because the principal don't like

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them >> and infusing them in the picture with his son. I'm just using >> I agree with you. >> And putting them into that photo. That's a problem. That's a serious problem.

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Now, this municipality may have not have dealt with that yet, but I know we got a lot of hate violations across this whole state. We got a lot of bullying going on. And when Miss James right here makes too much noise, she now's the target. And they are going to terrorize her

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child. And they now have the equipment to invade her child's life, her child's life. this young lady's nephew holding up to six kids and we we have to be careful. We keep opening up this door and just let

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everything in everything. You might not be the fan of the president. I don't know. But Kennedy is talking about the effects of these vaccines, about the effects of what's in the school. And I know you're talking about the data center, but this is your

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council meeting. We need to start looking at stuff like that because let me tell you something. The state of New Jersey used to have a great educational system. We're not up there no more. We got a lot of challenges. We have a lot of special need children. Our special

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need population in this state has quadrupled in the last 10 years. And I know it because I do IEP hearings as well as go to administrative law court. And I don't deal with justice county. I do it all across the state. And there's no color barrier when I assist people.

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>> There's a lot of reasons for the >> Absolutely. >> Yes, sir. And a lot of reasons. And we don't need to add these radio waves because somebody wants to make money cuz they're not building because they're not going to make no money. >> Yeah. >> Right. So what's the taxes to the town?

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Is it worth it >> for us to come back? Come back to I'm just asking. I want to tell you about the line >> PSCG planned after Sandy to upgrade their to 69 KV and you can go on their website and read the whole plan.

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>> It's all on there and that happened before this center. >> I'm just thinking of the transformer fire that just happened 3 years ago on one and nine >> and they had to let it burn for seven days. >> I don't like seeing those flames in the sky up in Essence County, right? And I'm

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just saying public service has to be responsible as well. >> There used to be a time when these high tension warriors wouldn't come to a community. This is a community. You're the community, >> right? And our children now, these listen, they call them the Kobe babies, whatever. They hyper. They a little more

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active and they got the strength of Hercules. I want to see a kid in any community trying to climb up one of these poles. One of those wisest come down with all these hurricanes getting ready to come through here. All the effects that we had through the last storms we've been

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through. I'm just saying let's take a minute and you maybe you did, but I'm just asking call pause and just make sure it's worth it. Talk to some other towns that happened. Talk to some other states. Go to some other states. See

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what it's looking like. Is it worthless for us to drain the resources that we have here? For us to just let somebody come in here and be a triple billionaire. That's all I'm saying. Listen to the people. Let me tell you something. It is worth it to hear us.

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>> Man, with all due respect, I am doing that. >> No. >> And I'm reading articles and I'm researching. >> Yes, sir. >> So, that's >> And I'm not saying that you're not. I'm just uh just a word to the just a word to us all because we're learning about this as we go going through this process

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too. And I'm not saying that you're not >> not saying that anybody >> getting to this point here. >> Yes, sir. And so as you're learning and you're getting more information for me, it's a it's a cause to pause. What's the rush? What if we push it off a year and

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get all the data together? >> Why would we let them put a whole building up? [applause] Let's let's do something. Let's do this part. and let's see what it looks like. Let's see what the water looks like. Let's see what the the PSEG bills look like versus them telling you they're going to pay. Let's

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see if the actual because we know how big business does in New Jersey. I'm closing with this. We know how they do. This is a political football in this state if no place else. That's why all the New Yorkers are coming over here because this is a payto-play state. I didn't say you did. I didn't say you

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did. I didn't say any of you did. This is a payto-play state. I'm talking about the governor now and the state legisle. This is pay to play. They lobbyed well in Trenton to ask the state of New Jersey to put these 81 data centers because you know what the other states told in Virginia? We ain't doing that.

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You know what they told Pennsylvania? We ain't doing that. That's why they in Utah and other places. But let's look at what's going on there. It's worth it to save a little bit of water so that we don't have to go in the water shortage during the summer because that's already predicted for the state

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of New Jersey with what we already got going on. Thank you for your time tonight. Appreciate you. [applause] [cheering] [applause] Hi, my name is Lily. I'm from Fwood, New Jersey. I've lived here all my life and I plan on living here for less than two. I want to thank you guys first for doing

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the unenviable work being here, spending your Tuesday nights. Thank you for all the work you do. I'm not looking to change your minds. I'm not that persuasive. Um, there's been many more people uh more capable than I, but I'm just looking for some assurances that my community and I will be protected even

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after all of this attention phase. I know public attention is fleeting, but I plan on being here for several more decades at least, and so is my family. Um, I will take your arguments in good faith. I want to believe as well that this will be good for our communities. Um, assuming that you really can't do

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testing on something that hasn't been built yet and that you will do it after all is done and paid for. Um, I wanted to know you may you stated that um an independent study will do the testing for the data center after it's built. We

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will we'll test everything to make sure independent we'll we'll hire independent Laura um you can respond to that. Do you have a plan like what are the criteria for passing already established?

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>> The um we're talking about the uh test that we'll do after the data center. We'll hire our own professionals. >> Yes. >> Okay. Of everything to make sure that everything that we're promised has happened. >> Thank you. And then Councilman Maro, you

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had some great points about stopping it if they do not if they, you know, violate any of the terms and agreements. Um, what kind of leverage does Kennworth have? >> The law. We we have the full force of the law. Correct. >> If they violate what they told us was

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going to be done at a hearing, >> we have the full force of the law. Our zoning officer will put out loads of violations. We then get to take them to court just like any other property dispute or anything like that. >> Thank you. And I'm not too familiar with law. That's not my specialty. What is

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the timeline like for any kind of litigation if it were to go to that? >> It's immediate after it gets put up that it has to perform the way that they told us it would. And uh there is time period for responding to a notice of violation.

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I want to say it's 45 days, but I can't be sure about that. So, uh I'd have to get back to you on that. But they do have time to to remedy the situation. And I believe the second notice then goes out if it hasn't been remedied in that time and then you can take court proceedings if Greg I don't know if I have that

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correct. >> Yeah. All u all municipalities in New Jersey have enforcement authorities. So when somebody files an application for site plan approval before a planning board or a zoning board regardless of

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barrenes are involved what happens is they make representations that are before that board. All of those representations that are made are then incorporated into a resolution which gets memorialized adopted by the board. In addition to the representations made,

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the board also incorporates preference any exhibits that were relied upon and any conditions of approval that the um board imposes. So when I any example would be any property owner, any developer or this or this people. So if

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they go before the planning board and they get site plan approval, all the representations they made get incorporated into it. All the conditions of approval that are uh set forth by the planning board are deemed part of the approval. So if any part of the approval

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or the conditions are violated, then the town has enforcement authority and they can find them, they could shut them down, they could file superior court seeking injunctive relief. There's a whole host of uh options that are available to a um to any town, not just

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town, but all towns when somebody violates their site plan approvals. >> Thank you so much. And then mayor, you also stated you weren't sure if you were going [clears throat] to run for re-election again. And I understand that. What I'm worried about is the kind of accountability I can expect in 5 10 15 years when this data

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center will outlive all its council people. As much as work you put in, but we will still be here. I'm worried about the options for us. >> We'll all still be here, too. We might not be on council, but we'll still be here, too. Can we still trust you to fight for us and our communities? Of

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course. Thank you. [applause] >> All right. Uh, good evening, mayor. Good evening, council. Uh, I will not be giving my name. I will not be giving my address. Um, unless you guys want to give your address, I don't think anybody should be giving their address nowadays

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cuz government has a way of retaliating against the people who say things that they don't like. Um, so you should probably remove those words from the policy from the sheet that talks about the public comment portion. Uh, less intimidating barriers for the public to get up and speak would be better off for

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the process. Um, we also have freedom of speech, so you can't really force our speech and try to get make us give up our fourth amendment. U, so with that being said, this also should be uh turned around. I don't know why it's in this position.

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Um, that bothers me tremendously. The little the little things kind of I don't know are like big to me. Um, I like to lean when I'm talking and this doesn't really feel right. Um, if I wanted to come up here with a laptop or something to read, I can't do it. So, I don't know

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why it's positioned like this. And >> we can turn it around myself. >> Well, listen, please don't interrupt me. That's the other thing. No, no, no. Listen, listen, listen. We're not going to interrupt me. I'm going to ask you not to interrupt me. If I ask a question, then you're feel free to answer. Um, that's that's actually what

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brought me here. What >> you did ask? Yes. >> No, no, no. Do not interrupt me. Do not interrupt me. >> You asked why it WAS THAT WAY. STOP IT. >> I asked you not to interrupt me, so please don't. See, this is what makes people so aggravated. It's your conduct.

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It's all of your behavior. That's why I came here, right? I'm not I'm not even going to be talking about the data center. Okay. >> Every single one of you, right? Well, not every single one of you. That's another problem. I don't know why Councilman Bole has not said a word. I don't know why Councilman Finestella has

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not said a word. I don't know why Councilman scores said it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Well, I did watch the last meeting. Don't Don't cut me off. I did watch the last meeting and I want to say that I'm absolutely disgusted with your behavior, Councilman Morrow. Uh the way

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you speak to your residents is vile. It's disgusting. And you should be ashamed of yourself. Uh, I watched the meeting last time and there was a young lady Katie who spoke followed by a young lady named Far and the way you spoke to them was so

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despicable that >> I don't I honestly don't know how you could even walk out of this building and show your face uh speaking to the residents like that. Uh, I will say coming to a meeting and seeing this room packed makes me feel like an American.

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The best thing you did was get rid of the clock and let the public speak for as long as they feel is necessary. That's the best thing that was done, right? I like coming up seeing the chalk on the ground with the stop AI data centers. I like that. I like seeing the

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room packed. Um, and that's a good thing. It's good. These rooms should be packed everywhere. The problem though is Aiden went outside for a cigarette break and you know you're hearing the the eruption and the cheers and stuff and that's what it should be at every single meeting except for we should be getting what we want. You should be representing

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the people, right? You have not been you don't have the right to lead. You have been granted the privilege to represent and the public is not being represented properly and they're not getting what they want. So um that's that that is an

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issue. um the behavior and the conduct is appalling. Um if residents are shouting and they're, you know, responding in that way, it's because they're frustrating. You know, when the things you say are making them frustrated, right? You said that the

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data center will have a hum, the equivalent of a refrigerator, right? So, you want us to believe that a 1.8 8 billion data center is going to have the same hum as something that keeps our milk and our eggs and our cheese and our cold cups cold.

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That air conditioner is louder than a refrigerator. So what you're saying is that the that the data center will not be as loud as that air conditioner. How do you expect the people to respond to that? If you treat the public like

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they're ignorant children, right? What do you expect's going to happen? I would really like to see the conduct and the behavior kind of dialed back into gear. Maybe this could act as some sort of a reset button. Okay. But I have been all over the state. I've went to multiple

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council meetings. I've probably been to more council meetings than most elected officials all across the state. So, I can serve as a resource of uh policies and procedures and behavior and conduct. And I can say hands down the behavior of you people, especially the mayor and

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Councilman Morrow, is the the worst, most abominal, vile behavior I have ever seen at a council meeting. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. 100%. You take that away, mayor.

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The way you speak to your residents is 100% the worst way I have ever seen a mayor speak to their residents. The way that you speak to the residents, Councilman Morrow, is absolutely the worst, vile, DISGUSTING WAY I HAVE EVER

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SEEN. SO SPEAK QUIET. NO. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COME UP TO ME WITH A GUN AND INTIMIDATE YOU. YOU GOT EVERYBODY ALL the energy of last meeting was all intensified because OF THE WAY YOU WERE BEHAVING. YOU MADE IT

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WORK. YOU GOT NO RIGHT. THE CHIEF HAS NO RIGHT TO GET INVOLVED. NO RIGHT. [applause] start acting like elected officials cuz again you have been granted the privilege to represent. You do not have

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the right to LEAD [applause] this year if any other resident this will be in the pen of the people's G [applause] HELLO, council and mayor. Um, I'm here I agree with uh the woman who spoke earlier, Miss Jackson, about the utility

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polls. I mean, I might be wrong. I mean, I've been hearing a lot of conflicting information online about why these 69 cable polls are going up. All I know is that it just looks terrible. We can go back and forth about if it's beneficial, how all this up is progress. To me, it doesn't look like progress. It looks

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like union is being destroyed. I mean, it just seems like no coincidence that all this stuff is happening at the same time. I might be wrong. >> You can go on PSCG's website [clears throat] and read. They started this plan after supertorm Sandy. >> I mean, you know,

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>> it's available now. Please read it. It's all, >> you know, like I said, I I was looking at Westfield, seeing the polls that are going up over there, and when I drive through Westfield, it doesn't give me the same jarring feeling when I'm driving through Union. So, I don't know what they're doing differently. And I know Westfield did successfully fight and I know it's not your problem about

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Union whether they're fighting or not, but you know, you have to realize what the plants here are causing to other towns and stuff like that. You know, we can we don't have to be nasty to each other. Like this is real stuff going on. Before people scoffed that this is not affecting people's mental health. I

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mean, you might laugh at me, but I you know, it breaks my heart what those polls look like when you're driving through Union now. My family has been here for 400 years. My family bought this land from the Indians. You might think I'm, you know, I'm BS, but you know, my family was, you know, here from

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uh they came from Connecticut and they bought this land from the thing. They were governors here. They have a museum over in Hillside. You know, they they contributed a lot. My family's still here contributing. And you know, I don't want to stay here anymore of how this place is looking. >> And that's pretty cool. My family came

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here in 1627. For me, it's >> Yeah. So I mean you should be you should be upset about how these you should be upset about how these towns are looking if your family has been here for so long >> you know like what are we going to do with this it's being industrialized you know this place is a suburb and all this

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stuff these and this is just generalized stuff of these apartments all this it needs to be more well thought out it really does you know everything's too rushed you know I'm a little I'm aggravated that's why I'm a little I have a neurological issue that's why I'm a little off right now but I And uh I

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just came cuz I had to say something. I was here watching on YouTube watching everyone go back and forth, but I mean we can argue about what's going to happen and what's not going to happen. But these polls and stuff and stuff is already it's already done. Like the I live in Roso Park, so like they're changing the water lines. Like I don't think that's any coincidence either. I

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think it's all for the the data center. [applause] >> I just wanted to come to show how like emotional call and ask them. You should call the water company and ask them. That's not my job to do. I'm a citizen. This is I I'm a citizen. I don't have to worry about this stuff. This is all your

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guys' job to make sure that the citizens are happy and that we to make sure that this doesn't happen. >> This This is >> I don't know what water line you're talking about. I don't know. Not Park. >> You can choose to go to your governing

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body in Mosul Park and ask them about these water lines in Mos. >> They They don't know what's going on either. So, I mean, no one knows what's going on. Like I said, I had to do my research more, but I just came cuz I'm I'm really upset about these pools and everything that's going on and changing. Like I said, they can put a brothel over there on that property as long as they keep

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the trees over there on Gallop and Kill Road. As long as they keep the trees up and as long as it's not, you know, affecting us, but those poles are what's seriously affecting us already and stuff like that. You know what I mean? So, we just need to make sure that we can preserve union and we can you you guys

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can make tax money off that property. You know, we're not saying leave the property abandoned. It's been a factory for a long time. We understand that. You can put something there, but make sure it's not something that's going to seriously affect these towns. >> You know, I need to go home and take a nap. All right. Good night, guys.

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[applause] >> Good evening. >> I'm Dr. Herd. I'm from Newark, New Jersey. I came to support the people of Kilaworth and surrounding communities. Water [applause]

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water doesn't stay in one place. It moves. I think some people say water seeks its level. So, it moves throughout the earth. It is also finite. So, I'm not here to talk about all of the other problems that happen with the data

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center, but there are three things that we cannot live without. Air. Obviously, we're living without clean air, right? So, we don't have quality there, but we we're living we cannot live without water.

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And data centers take water. And they don't take just any water. They take drinking water, the water that we humans need to live.

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That is my primary concern. And I ask you to review your agreement or your agreement that's in process regarding the this data center to ensure

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that it will not negatively impact the viability of our capacity to continue to exist. Because data centers ultimately are an existential threat. >> YES.

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[applause] >> LASTLY, regarding procedural concerns regarding the data center, if you have, would you please share with the people of Kennleorth and surrounding

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communities your emergency plans? your fire plans [applause] and how you plan to deal with concerns that might cause for people to be moved swiftly away from that data. I thank you so much

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for your time. >> I know it's a hard life. [applause] >> Hi, my name is Isabella. I am a union resident. I didn't have anything prepared tonight. This is my second time here and the first time I came the meeting was canceled abruptly. Um, but I

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think from hearing everybody's concerns, which I have felt as well, and you know, seeing the way that you guys have been responding, I think I wanted to come up more not with any research that I don't have tonight, but I think just in a place of concern for the way that

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unfortunately this these conversations have been going and in regards to the immediate reactions um the um you know tension, animosity, I feel like that has been displayed back to Um, like I said, I am a union resident. I live 4 miles

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away from the AI data center in Kennor. I live 4 miles away. During the weeks of April 14th, I believe through April 25th, there was construction on my street. I'm a resident of Five Points in Union, New Jersey. And I don't know, I don't know if anybody agrees, but I feel

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like it's not a coincidence that there was construction, random big holes being installed into the streets. And now, you know, the street that I live on person personally is literally all bumpy, all out of nowhere. When my family and I asked regarding why there's construction

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on the road, they said it was easier for it to get they were easy um it was easier for them to access behind the roads versus the parkway. And we were at that point unsure of what was going on. And then we come to realize on Tik Tok because residents of Penwork and Union

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County area were able to inform us before we were ever informed by anyone else that there was an AI data center being built right here right behind the parkway. So I was able to put two and two together and kind of see what is possibly going on and that there has been some construction being done. And I

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don't know if that's true or not. I don't no one has said anything else as to why the construction has been done during that week. why the roads have been left bumpy. I don't know if anybody has seen five points since April. It's been horrendous. Absolutely terrible. But I just wanted to say I don't have

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any research. I'm hoping next time they can come up with some more information to maybe, you know, try to give. I just really wanted to say that after hearing everybody's concerns, I really hope that next time there could be, you know, a more professional and better way to go

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about things. the yelling back and forth between the residents of Union County and the residents of New Jersey with you guys. It was just really unprofessional and really embarrassing as somebody that was point4 miles away from here. So that's all I wanted to say. [applause] [applause] Good evening. My name is Rosa. I'm from

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Elizabeth. I heard that Kettle is now working with a PR firm for crisis management. Uh, MAD Global Strategy, a major public affairs firm, has been hired by data center coalition to manage community

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relations, handle public affairs, and protect the reputation of proposed data center developments amid surprising community push back. The firm works with state and local lawmakers to ensure new data centers are viewed favorably as

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critical infrastructure rather than industrial burdens. We already seeing some posts telling the idea of how safe the bene beneficial data incentives are to the communities. I'm also seeing comments in my own posts

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from people from fake accounts actually that ask me how much is China paying me. Okay. So um the PR firm will sell you sell the Kore data center as one one of a kind data center the first of its kind

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safe bringing prosperity to the town a must. They will paint the data center as an all contained entity. A magical bubble. No pollution. No noise. No humming. Hardly any water usage. No increase in electricity. No cancer. No

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asthma. No kidney failure. No child or senior will be affected. They will paint everyone who will oppose them as agitators. I heard that a lot. Um that's why they are hard to do when they are done with the crisis management that we

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have packaged the data center. I would hit a 22. That's how pretty it's going to look. But we know better. The PR agency is the higher help to protect the data center. We are out here protecting everyone who will be affected by it. We

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are not safe. [applause] >> Hi, I'm Jennif Rose Park and I just have a couple questions to ask. Mrs. Mayor, um, with the one of you that's watching, uh, you talked about data center and there's no noise in the backless,

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but I need to know before we honestly tell you that it would be the sound of your home. I need to know >> it was in the report. >> It was in the report and I want you to know that I stood outside the building for weeks building in upstate New York on Friday and I heard I heard birds

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chirping. I'm I'm not lying to you. I heard >> Can I ask you a question? Where was where was the first one? Where was the first data center you went to when you said okay and is it was it a regular traditional data center or was it an AI? >> It is it is an AI data center.

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>> It was an AI data center. >> Okay. What about my load? >> Well, there's a big difference in Milin and I'll tell you what it is and I think it's 39. Actually have it right here. So, Vinland is actually they have 36

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onsite medium gas engines and they're actually um fueling the data center with natural gas and these engines. So, that it's very different than a a closed loop cooling system. And I and you can look

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this up yourself and and I actually I actually researched the difference um and they're saying the primary difference between existing vinand setup and a hypothetical nuclear power data center is where the noise is generated. While both systems

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rely on quiet closed loop coolings at the chip level, the violent facility is incredibly loud because it must generate its own electricity on site using fossil fuels. A nuclearpowered data center would eliminate this localized combust

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combustion noise completely, trading a low a loud low frequency neighborhood rattle for a self-reliant uh for a silent selfcontained energy footprint. >> You can look that up yourself. I'll looked

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at >> I have a challenge though. You know what I'm concerned about? You guys are a hook line saver, right? And like you said, oh it does meet standards and they they won't close down operations. >> Well, ma'am, you need to address us. You

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can speak with her after what was supposed to have this. >> Okay. But I'm really concerned that we're buying a blue line and I'm concerned that it's not going to be what you say to me and our electrics are going to go up and things are going to

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happen. >> When those things happen, we're going to shut them down. >> People are going to get sick. So, let me tell you this. When it doesn't when it happens, when bad things start happening, who should we direct our legal action for? personality.

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>> I'm not the city council can shut it down right now. They have the power to do that and the fact that they're not >> you can come up here. >> I just don't understand why you can't stop it. There's got to be ways to stop this. >> There is 100%. >> And can I tell and I just want to add

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one thing. Honestly, I've had people, you know, they call you to sell your house. I thought, "Oh, yeah. Really? You give me a good price? There's a data center moving less than two miles from you." Oh, sorry. Click. All my life, my adult life, I moved out here to New Jersey. Picked these towns

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like Kettle and Roser Park that remind me of my hometown. They're small. Your community not to come out to this industrial AI. >> This industrial site has been there for decades. >> Yes. But it wasn't bringing out pollution. You're not right about that. It was a

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form of >> There was no sounds. There was no problem. Well, I'm just saying I'm sad that it's going this way, but it's it's I just hope to God what you're saying is going to happen because if not, it's on the council and it's on and there'll be

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a lot of issues with [applause] >> Hi everyone. >> My name is Catherine. I'm from Ventown, an hour away from here. Last time I was here, I cried. I cried again because you're really a bully. I'm sorry. It's not people.

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[applause] I have A QUICK QUESTION. WHY ISN'T THE MAY 19th video on your YouTube? >> That was when we were here. We were really grilling you and you That was when you were on vacation and it was >> I think it is on. >> It's not on YouTube.

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It should be up there. >> There's parts of it. Regardless if it's up there or not, a lot of your videos do not have the full meaning. You're cutting out what certain people are saying to make yourselves look better and ending it on. >> We do not do that or >> Okay. Well, the part that I was speaking

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at is not on YouTube. The part that when I was here last time is not on YouTube. Okay. >> Okay. All right. >> Yes. You know what? The May 19th meeting was Flanning Bird. That might be why you

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can't find it. Where did she go? Planning. >> It was That should be up there, too. The planning board meeting should be up there as well. But it wouldn't be under the same these are council meetings and the >> when I was here speaking to you and when you were on vacation that meeting is not

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on YouTube. I have not seen it. Regardless, that's not why I'm up here. I don't need to tell you a 100 times. You've already heard it. It's an environmental crisis. We're in a climate crisis. It's a health crisis. It's a humanitarian spiritual crisis. You've heard every reason these things are bad.

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and you still do not care what your city is saying behind you here. >> That being said, I have documented how many times you have lied and how many times you've been trying to manipulate meeting is supposed. It's a planning board. It is why you

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interrupted. I'm trying to answer her. >> She didn't ask you to do that. >> Okay. Last time I was here too, I gave you facts about the climate crisis, right? We're 1.47% over Earth's self-regenerative limit. Did any of you do research after I asked you on the climate crisis? And if so, what have you

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learned? >> This this will impact the climate crisis that we're all facing. The United Nations just declared global water bankruptcy. Are you all aware of that? You're aware of that and you're okay with this project. So, okay, good to know. It is obvious and apparent that

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regardless of whatever horrific information is presented to you again on how much of a crisis this is on many different levels that you will ignore facts, you will ignore science. Dave, you're doing your own research, which you're clearly not. I just asked you if you did climate science research since

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I've been here. None of you answered me. So again, you're ignoring your public outcry and all of these facts to lie. I have a whole page of lies just just as I've been here. at the last meeting. Again, manipulation is considered a lie. You're trying to make unsafe assumptions

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and claiming them as fact to your people here. That is a form of manipulation. Lying and manipulation are considered harassment when they come from professionals like you. Harassment. Sir, yes, you're nodding your head at me. That means if you are here harassing us,

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as per what I just explained, you've proven you're corrupt beyond reason. You do have intent to hurt all of us because you have intent on building this and letting this go up and you have lied that there's nothing you can do. There 100% is something you can do. Mr.

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Attorney, is it true that the city council of any city, if there is a business that has interest going up that is deemed a nuisance, a harm to public safety, or a threat in any way, that the city council has the power to kick that business out? Yes or no?

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>> Yes or no? Yes. No, ma'am. With all due respect, I do not represent you. I cannot provide you with legal advice. My firm represents to the governing body. If all [laughter] you ask me question, let me answer. You already answer. >> If the governing body has a question,

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our job is to answer questions. All night you guys have been asking me legal questions as a currency and trying to be transparent. I've tried to answer those questions to the best that I could. But we need to understand my question. >> Thank you, >> Mrs. Mayor. Are you aware that you have the power, we can look it up right now,

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that you and the council here have the power to still stop this data center from going up if it is deemed harmful to the citizens? Yes. Yes. I think we would be if it was deemed harmful. >> Exactly. So, stop telling us that there's nothing you can do about it.

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We're telling you it's going to cause a crisis on many levels. We backed it up with science. People have been in here talking about different health concerns. We had doctors last time I was in here. None of that is registering with you to the point that we're all still here. You have the power to shut it down right

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now, no matter what any type of contract says. All right? And I'm I'm going to be honest. The amount of lies and the harassment, that's really why I'm still here because I've never heard public officials speak to the town the way that they have that honestly it it weren't

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going to the police. I called the police department about this because I could not believe how many times you have tried to lie and harass people like this. And if it continues, I will be fine and I will be filing a police report against every single one of you, unfortunately. And if I am asked, and I

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have plenty of facts to back up what I'm going to be submitting to them. If I'm asked to press charges, I absolutely will. And I'm not the only person that's going to be doing this. You do not get to stand up here and lie to us and try to manipulate us. You don't get to just not do an independent study and just

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build a bit a business THAT WE'RE ALL IN HERE telling you is going to be absolutely horrendous. [applause] I'm also going TO BE CROSS [applause] I'm also going to be connecting with a local umbman to make sure that you are

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all checked as well because again you're not upholding the law as you should. You're lying. Um, and again, just please, we we still have faith in you. I still have faith in all of you that you can do the right thing and you can stop this, Mr. Finestella. I don't know

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what's so funny. You keep like making faces around. I don't understand what you're doing. Um, again, please, like, I don't know what else to say to you. I've cried in here twice. Your people are so upset.

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There's nothing else to say. You're either going to sell us all out and harm every single one of us and we're going to hold you accountable. Absolutely. We will hold you accountable when this does in fact poison all of us and you acted like you knew nothing about it. But in the meantime, we will have hope.

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We will hope every day that you do the right thing and you do your jobs and protect the people and listen to what we're saying here because that's your job, not to listen TO A POLICE REPORT FOR YOU. DEFINITELY, MR. TOMORROW. EITHER WAY, EITHER WAY, YOU'RE

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GETTING A POLICE report for me 100%. 100%. [applause] You're right with it. >> Wow. You're my hero. >> Right. And your fans like these. Now, before I get started, I just

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spontaneously CAME HERE BECAUSE NOW, I spontaneously came here because my colleague with a tiny little press pass Mikey social justice order by putting the debacle out and I want to right up front say I am not a paid

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agitator. I am not paid to be here. >> I am an investigative journalist >> and I investigate an EXPOSURE ON A POLITICIAN. >> [cheering] [applause] >> AND I HAVE NO AGENDA except the truth. That's why my monitor in my investigative journal journalism work is

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me white truth. I have no no animosity toward any of you. I don't know you. But I do know the circumstances as I've been watching this meeting. I live. I don't even live here. But I have been investigating New Jersey Union City Mayor Brian Sack for the last 30 months.

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Extremely corrupt. And because of me speaking out like I'm doing tonight, I have had 31 false criminal charges put against me of which 28 have been dismissed. I exposed the most massive sexual predator TEACHER RINGS

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IN NEW Jersey and IN NEW YORK CITY. I WAS ARRESTED AND set up charged WITH A FALSE FELONY LOOKING AT A FINE STATE OF prison for exposing a massive jean and so now getting to the hand here. >> I'm going to keep this very simple. I

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want you to remember in fact I invite you to write and suggest you write these letters down. C N E I R E S B E C T

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like song. C N E I R A S B E C. And what do you mean? CN contra from the Latin. It means against nature. And it sounds like this local poison

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center being called the new data center. It is conjuring the Torah not just against the nature of all the fine residents here and guests but for all of you who live here. Why would you agree to something that there are already many

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many studies throughout the world about the environmental impact on local municipalities and the residents you live here? Certainly hope you do. So CN teach you some Latin contra

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ei environmental impact. Yes, you heard it probably a thousand times today. But what will it take for you to really put yourself in the shoes of a person that is not a politician but a resident and not just them but their children and

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their children's children. I was told $1.8 billion is the number, right? That's a lot of freaking money. >> You can buy a [clears throat] lot of politicians and a lot of a lot of for that money.

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>> Now, I don't know any of you, so I have nothing negative to say about you. I will assess and judge you by your decision after the people of your fine town have spoken. Which comes to the next part?

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Do you respect the residents >> as you are in the public service and they are literally the service and will you vote as they say mayor college and everyone else here? The people have spoken. >> Yes. >> At this point there should be no argument.

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>> Yes. >> EXACTLY. [applause] And if I were to be the mayor, I'm make believe they all want to be in this mayor. I'm mayor for a day. And so you can call me mayor truth just for the next 10 minutes. Would you do that?

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[laughter] You hear me? >> All right. Mayor Truth here. So after hearing from the people and me being a responsible mayor, I would have made sure to study all of the environmental studies before I came to this meeting. And I would say, listen, I've already

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studied this. This is not new information. There's information all over the world about how data centers poison the local community, cancer causes, and so forth. I was saying, you know, everybody, you're all right. We

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will not move forward with this. [applause] So, in closing, I ask each of you to take out the $1.8 billion, whatever you've been promised, perhaps. I'm not saying anything is true. I've heard I've heard things

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allegations. put yourself in the position of the person who lives next to that data center. >> And if you vote to move this data center forward, I suggest you also pass an

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ordinance simultaneously that you would trade houses with you and your families with every person who is going to be directly impacted by the data set. [applause] THAT'S FAIR. AND THEN LASTLY, RCT. I caught a bit of

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Mikey's presentation speech on the way over here. And I only saw a portion of the meeting, but it sounds like there was a lot of disrespect that came from the deis to the people. Remember, they're mass represent

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disrespecting the people who you serve. and start serving this generation and generations from doing the right thing. I will pray that you do the right thing. God bless you all. [applause]

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>> Hi. Um, my name is Catherine. This is my first time here. Um, I've been a resident of Kennallorth for two, three years now. Um, and I'm a high school teacher. I teach uh AP Lang to my students. I was actually really proud of that girl that was in her earlier. She

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did a fantastic job. She did a lot of what I tell my students to do all the time and pay attention um to their sources and where they're getting information from. Uh there was an independent study done um on the the sound uh pollution for core. Correct.

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from Gorewave. >> We will do a sound study. >> We will do well. We can't study it because it's not building. >> Well, you did have multiple people who are experts in the field tell you that that was inaccurate. But well, >> I don't know what's what they studied

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and what their they did tell you their degrees actually, >> right? But but every every data center is built different. It's cooled differently. There's it's different. It's not the same. So there will be >> Did you listen? >> Of course I heard it.

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>> Did you hear it or did you listen? >> I I I heard it. Of course. >> You heard it. You didn't listen. >> Right. So my my issue is do you know what confirmation bias is? >> Do do any of you know what confirmation bias is?

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>> My students do. >> You want to take a guess? >> You can tell us. >> Okay. bias, right, is when we we have a a direct um tie to or a um involvement in the the outcome of something or we

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have an idea already in our minds when we go into an investigation. And I tell them whenever you're doing research, you need to think about what you already believe, what you think you know, and you need to check that before you start looking at sources because you are going to look for something that affirms what

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you already believe. Now poor do you think that they are going to tell us something that is going to make their data center look bad? >> Right. That's not what I asked though. >> That's not what I asked. >> It's not rhetorical.

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>> I asked do you think sir do you think you're asking for my opinion? >> That's not what a rhetorical question means either. I am the teacher. Correct. I can give you any answer you want. Right. >> You can. And you've been giving the answers that you want all evening.

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>> You have to know what you're telling us to do. >> That's the law. >> Yeah. That's the law. I could go out there and start streaking all of a sudden. That's that doesn't stop me from doing that. The law is after the fact. We are concerned with what's going to happen to us. consequence

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that they'll face. >> So you're willing to risk that? >> What is there? >> WHAT IS THERE A RISK? >> THE day the deck is the day that it gets turned on and there's a louder than they told us that

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there would be violation to fix it. They have to fix it. I tell my students they have to write their own papers and not use AI and some of them still do. >> Ma'am, I'm sorry to interrupt you.

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Please just one at a time. That's all I ask because there's a record being made. Everything is being recorded and it may or not be one. All I ask is that everybody's taking one. That's it. >> I will say as this is my time as well, I I would appreciate if the record would

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show that there is this much upset in this room. I've been here since the start, right, for 3 and 1/2 hours. Okay, you've all been here too, right? I've noticed a lot of people in this room have notepads and are taking notes.

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How many of you are doing that? >> Okay, cool. I I've been watching >> every due respect. We've heard over and over again many of the same types of comments. We we

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>> right my my concern sir is that you have heard this over and over again. >> Yes, we're hearing a lot of the same comments. >> Right. I said my concern is that you are hearing this over and over again. And yet when I hear that you guys have been

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doing a lot of your own research and you've been doing your due diligence, we have yet to hear what your sources are. Anytime we tell you something is so >> Can you tell me now? >> Every time. >> Can you tell me now? >> What would you like to know?

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>> I would like to know where are you looking when you're getting all of this research. >> What? >> We opened this meeting. No active like >> are you

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>> because it sounds more like you are happy to tell people that you don't have an answer. I have heard I don't know or we are unaware. We will look into that a concerning amount of times for a council that has been having meetings on this for a while now. To my own, I tried very

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hard to answer everybody's question. As you scream at me, >> you really don't speak with respect. >> I'm trying to answer your question. This is exactly what happens. Like I said last time, I tried to interview

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only only the attorney general of THIS COACH. He's the attorney general that can be Everyone, please please everyone will speak. I promise you. >> This is my last comment. Let her speak.

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>> I have heard that you care about what happens to this town and what happens to these people. And I will tell you the emotion that I have heard and I have seen this evening. I have seen panic and distress, but it feels more

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for yourself. And I did see one moment where you looked genuinely stricken and concerned. And it was when that woman was up here that had that that oxygen that she was hooked up to. And you did. You looked devastated.

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I want you to think about that woman and that woman tonight. And I want you to think about it tomorrow when you go to do your research again. And I want you to think about that when you come to the next meeting with the research and with the sources available so that people can

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actually have real answers and not just comments that have been fed to you. Also, this is truly my last comment. My apologies. I had to leave with this and my feelings got the best of me.

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We are trusting and by we I mean you are trusting that Corey Weave is going to do what they committed to doing at the planning meeting. Correct. That's what we're hoping. >> That is the hope. Yes.

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>> Okay. >> When we say that we have to, I want to acknowledge the fact that have to means that they are required to do so, but it does not literally force their hands. You're acknowledging the possibility that they may not actually do this. Correct. We don't hook that. We know that there is a law.

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>> Not acknowledging. >> You're not acknowledging the possibility. >> I don't believe that they will. >> Okay. That's different than acknowledging the possibility. >> Then we will take action and we will hold you accountable as >> the reason I'm saying this is because

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aren't we aware about the class action lawsuit against Warweave? >> We've had comments about it. department. >> No, but here's my my concern is that their public statements were materially false and misleading.

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>> False and misleading. >> Misleading. >> That's my concern. >> Yes. As have been the last three and a half hours of concerns that we've been listening to. So again, please think about that woman

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before you go to bed tonight. And then hopefully after that tomorrow, you can think about the rest of the people that are also in this room. Good night. [applause] request. Sorry, I hate these microphones. You have to speak directly into the mic or the um stream that goes up on YouTube. They won't hear anything

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you say. I think we should uh maybe work to improve the microphone. Yes. >> Please. Um so I have to lean like this. I don't like doing this. Um but yeah. Uh so yeah, we submitted an request. Um uh you guys are aware of the lawsuit. The

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um former lawyer uh for the council, Frank um who apparently is a criminal and alleged stalker um >> not my words. >> Um yeah, so he's he sent the mayor if

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I'm not mistaken. I'm sorry if I got my facts wrong. You know, it's hard to keep up with everything. Um, so basically, um, yeah, so there's that. Uh, so I met with, uh, Senator, uh, John Ramnik. Um, he basically said I should contact Senator Cry in for him to

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bring in the D to investigate the construction of the facility. But if you guys want to show that you're on the side of the people and you want to kick Corweave out without getting a lawsuit, just bring the D in cuz they'll find a million like 50 tow will run scared. You know what I mean?

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So you can avoid the loss of a little and then just bring the DP in by asking asking of yourselves to come in because you know there are there are measures we're creative people you guys I'm sure are creative people there are ways to get rid of this because right now um there's a study uh by Northwestern in

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conjunction with Princeton and they found out that the US is an oligarchy and that means that um the politicians do not um actually exercise the will of the people the will of the minority right so um you guys unfortunately and I hate to tell you guys this

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That's really alarming. AMERICAN. [applause] [applause] UM, so there's so many way to like not have the city be sued and still get rid of you. Like the

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people I've met here are so genuine and just equalist and like amazing. And I just want everyone to, you know, give themselves a hand. We're all sacrificing so much for ALL THEIR [applause] JOBS. STANDING there [applause] like tearing up like real like please

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just help our own man should not have to cry to get something done here. Do you UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN? THAT'S NOT WHAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT LAND USE ORDERS are are telling us that it's

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going to cost $500 million sorry half a million dollars if we want to meet these guys. Meanwhile you guys can just call the DA and get this done on our behalf and show that you truly care about us because we should not have to try to go

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viral ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO FIND a we land use. This is not what America is supposed to be. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO US. Thank you. Every time you say, "Oh, not a lot of people from HANNAH DO." EVERY TIME I COUNT that more people from Kennaworth do come and tell you guys

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that they don't support it as opposed to the ones who support it. That should tell you something. And when people go canvasing, they talk to people from Kennaworth and guess what? They don't know about it. You guys are not publicizing it. This is such a great thing. THEN YOU GUYS WOULD LITERALLY

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SCREAM FROM THE ROOFTOPS. BUT YOU DON'T BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT you can get away with legal technicality where um you put it in some little house like $20 to subscribe to the fine that um at the top of that uh you know 200 ft away are the

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only people that um so please you guys shouldn't have to do this it's not okay and I know [laughter] I was reading some articles I knew what you were talking about while

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you were running. You said you were actually the development I was talking about. >> I I understand it was a smart development. I think that industrial >> am I am I understanding correctly that there's going to be

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left? >> That's okay. Everybody got a right to speak. Can you help me with the facility? >> What's happening now? >> PSG produces power through nuclear energy. There's three nuclear plants in

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New Jersey, but it also burns very clean as well. [clears throat] >> And that's all we've got going up with. >> Correct. Yes. >> Correct. And >> um um I I just want you guys to make a

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commitment to at least try out like hey there's an outbreak of just construction like you know sketchy things going on over there have a look you know I'm guessing some of you guys usually like one or two people and they

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everybody else someone like right Um, so, so maybe now's the time to stop, you know, say like, you know, totally on board with this, but like, you know, I kind of did it every just try something to be disruptive to

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show that, you know, talking like, you know, >> I understand the emotions. I really do. And I appreciate you coming up here. Appreciate all of you coming up here. We are being told by Corweave. They applied

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for what they applied for. They have to do what they're saying they're going to do. We're all very nervous about it. I get it. I get it. But there's there's law in the great state of New Jersey. It's got centuries of evolution and it

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will work for us as the people of the state. >> But other other parts of the country are having problems. I don't know how zoning laws work in other parts of the country, but in New Jersey when an applicant asks for a variance and they tell us X, Y, and Z. And I think our attorney explained how that gets memorialized

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into the resolution, it becomes the law. It becomes their foundation of what they need to respond to. The law is on our side. all of the all of the decibels. It's on the side of the people of New Jersey. Your courts are going to protect

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you if they do not live up to what they told us they're going to do. We have a zoning official. Very good. And he is going to be out there inspecting this and he is the code enforcer as well. He will be the one that will go out there and tell them that you have 45 days or whatever it is to remedy whatever they

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get a notice for if they even get a notice for something. It's not like it just happens. We turn our backs and walk away. That's not how it works. The law is on our side. We We pay We pay for the building department here. Part of that

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salary goes towards code enforcement. This is a paid job. The person's job is to go out there and inspect these things. It's exactly what we want inside of the governmental system. And then we get the right to shut them down or to take other measures and fines and all these types of things that no

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corporation is. So they'll try to work with us. It's in everybody's best interest to do what they said they're going to do. I understand the emotions. Everybody needs to back when I try to say this. You can believe it or not. It is the law in the state of New Jersey.

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Well, then you need to talk to your state legislators because that's where this law comes from. It's the land use laws in New Jersey. The ML, if you would like to look it up yourself, THESE ARE THE LAWS. SIR, I'M SORRY. There are things that we

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I'm not talking to you. I I hope I hope you can believe me. AND IF YOU DO NOT, IT IS the land use laws in the state of New Jersey that you can look up. This is outlined in those laws. Are you at all concerned that the EPA head uh on the federal level literally

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said that he's not going to enforce we have a state EA concerned that Mike's guard rails we're in identical states are being interrupted very I listen to him before he's at the

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lecture I absolutely listen to him right now to I want to talk TOWARD I have I have faith in the laws of New Jersey. >> I actually took an oath to uphold those laws as well as everybody else up here

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because I'm not listening. Today I was like, okay, I'll say just about the crazy PEOPLE [laughter] SAYING THAT right now. We're talking like the corporation just gets away with it.

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HAVE A NICE TO YOURSELF. Did you really believe in the laws of the state of New Jersey? [screaming] HUMAN [screaming] right to help us. >> [applause]

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>> THIS IS JUST ME AND utter nonsense and other nonsense head hiding behind legal technicalities talking about the law. WE HAVE A STATE I'M TALKING WE HAVE A STATE THAT HAS A HISTORY

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THAT HAS A HISTORY OF TOXIC SITES THAT WERE NOT PROTECTED BY THE LAW. THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS ARE NOT UNHEARD OF. WE have a history of this thing happening where big tech, big companies, wherever they are, whatever industry they're from, they come into these places, they come into port towns, they

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come into uh uh just regular residential areas and they do these kinds of things. They play these stupid games. They tell you these stupid lies. Then they poison people. They create cancer clusters. They create super fun sites. And the law did not protect those people. And those

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people get sick. Those people get sick. What the hell does that any of this that YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? HOW DOES THAT HELP PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY been sickened? Listen to yourself. It's disgusting. IT'S DISGUSTING. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY GOT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ANSWER. [applause] YOU'RE TALKING

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ABOUT YOU think Jack [ __ ] SOMEBODY ANSWER? NO. NO. I'M TALKING. >> I DON'T CARE THAT you're gonna say you agree with me, but I don't care. I don't care. You can't even tell the truth to to each other via emails. You're over

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there telling each other lies about what the substation is for. Freaking pathetic. It's pathetic. And I don't care if it wasn't you on that email. I don't care. It was the burough attorney talking to the mayor and apparently mayor the mayor doesn't talk to the council. Apparently, even though council closed meeting notes saying that you

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guys discussed future region redevelopment plans on THE SUBDIVIDED FOUR LOTS, SOMEHOW YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT was going to be built on those four subdivided lots. Somehow you don't know EVEN THOUGH THE ATTORNEY told you this is a MULTI-PHASE PLAN. PHASE [screaming] ONE currently ongoing phase

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two to come but magically you don't know what's going to happen on PHASE TWO. OH MAN that's incredibly convenient when we ask you is more stuff coming. Why are they subdividing these lats? We said we see communications that say they're planning to build two more data centers

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and a large substation on the fake land right next to Galloping Hill Avenue. We see that you guys know you guys is in the B of words. Just so that you don't interrupt with some kind of technicality that Oh, it wasn't me specifically. This is pathetic. You You guys know

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exactly what is going on. You know that there's more data centers coming. We asked you on the April 28th planning board meeting. Then we asked you in meeting subsequent to that in these council meetings, what are the plans FOR THESE SITES? WHY ON EARTH is this company subdividing this lot for? And you pled ignorance. Pathetic. Pathetic.

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Utterly pathetic. And all of this is going to come out. >> We got people here on social media. >> We have the real media here. >> Just pathetic. Absolutely. You should be disgusted with yourselves. >> Talking about rather talking about people being sick.

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>> That makes me sick. [applause] >> [applause] >> Mayor Moss, Came president, my whole life. I think all you should be held accountable for anything that happens personally or anything in the future regarding this and

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>> that's it. So when it comes down to shove, you should all be personally responsible for the decisions that you're making for generations to come. Now, when it's all said and done and this generation has passed away and there's another generation taking our

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place, they're going to have to deal with the results of the decisions that you're making now. So, I feel in my heart as though you guys are making the decisions, which you shouldn't be. I thought you guys were getting paid like $300,000 a year. I had no idea. And I

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thought you were working eight hours a day, 5 days a week here. But I come to find out that I didn't know that. I thought the sky was blue because the sun was bouncing off the ocean. I was wrong my whole life, just like you could be wrong, but you won't know until the next

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generations. So, I feel as though you guys should be making decisions on where mailboxes are going, what streets need to be replaced, and who you're going to hire to change the light bulbs on the street lights. I don't think you guys should should be able to make decisions that are going to

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affect generations to come where you get the power to do that. [applause] with the mayor. We went to the same school together. And I remember in class when we were voting for the class president,

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the best looking guy and the guy everybody liked always was the president. Didn't matter. And that's all I have to say. Thank you so much. [applause] Jennifer from Union.

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By your own admission, mayor, you indicated that this is a weak government and you have poor weed here and you are definitely showing that you are a weak government. So since you won't say, I will get the [ __ ] out. >> [applause]

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[cheering] >> Wait, what did you say? WHAT DID YOU SAY? [cheering] >> [applause] >> WILL NOT BE BUILT. IT WILL NOT BE BUILT. >> KEEP GOING. I'm happy. [laughter] >> My name is Vic. I am a resident here in

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Kennallorth. And I would like to say on record, >> I oppose this data center for a multitude of reasons. And I do not know why you guys think that your opinions are more valuable than the opinions of

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your people. [applause] You need to remember who you work for. You work for us. [applause] Your job is supposed to be to represent us and represent our town. This does not represent our town. And it's embarrassing. >> We don't want it.

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>> We don't want it. You hear it over and over and over and over again. Every single person who has come up here has opposed this. Where is the public support? >> There isn't any. >> That's not true.

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Where you guys WILL STAND TO BULLY [screaming] US. >> AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WE ARE EXPERIENCING. OKAY, FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU KNOW THE

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DEFINITION OF THE WORD BULLY? >> DOITU, >> MR. Scores easy. Councilman, >> do you know the definition of the word bullying? >> In order. >> NO, YOU ARE NOT. HIM, SIR.

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>> AND YOU MOCKED HIM in order. >> You mocked him when he said POWER TO THE PEOPLE. >> EVEN ALL PEOPLE ARE UPSET. YOU DON'T THINK IT'S A JOKE. YOU THINK PEOPLE HERE

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WANT TO BE HERE. >> PLEASE STOP YELLING. PLEASE STOP YELLING. PLEASE STOP YELLING. EVERYONE IS GETTING A CHANCE TO BE HEARD. YOUR OPINIONS ARE BEING HEARD. STOP YELLING. STOP INTERRUPTING. STOP IT. STOP IT. NOT ONE. I'M TELLING EVERYONE TO STOP. I

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WANT EVERYONE. >> I want everyone in here to be civil. Everyone >> absolutely everyone for you to correct him. everyone to be so guest anyway in this room.

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>> THERE IS NO POWER TO THE PEOPLE. >> WE RUN THE SHOW. >> BUT YOU DON'T LISTEN. >> YOU'RE THROWING AROUND WORDS. SIR, it's my time. You're throwing around around BIRDS LIKE [music] >> this is not this is not the point of

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this is ma'am. This is not the point of a mayor council meeting. >> Meaning you are allowed to express your opinion but not to bang and yell and scream. Please scream. I'm not I'M I'M SCREAMING CUZ I'M TRYING TO get you guys to hear ME BECAUSE EVERYONE'S YELLING.

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>> I'D RATHER LISTEN TO THEM THAN LISTEN to you. >> Anyway, COUNCIL >> council point of order to go against >> the gentleman that brought the gavl up. He had cited Robert's rules. In accordance with Robert's rules, the only

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one who has the um jurisdiction over the meeting is the mayor. are the only one who should be banging the gavvel and leading this discussion. So, I would appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> It's nice to finally hear your voice.

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>> Okay. So, you want to throw around words like bullying? No. Sit down. >> I have to go to THE MAN'S ROOM. >> OKAY, GO. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU. [laughter] >> Is that what she's all just going to right now? Councilman Lynn, we're going to take a

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5m minute recess after she speaks. All right. >> You want to throw around words like bullying. In order for it to be bullying, you have to be in a position of power. So by that definition, every time you guys come at us yelling at us,

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condescending to us, you are the bullies. >> I just My only point here is your opinions are not more valuable than ours. Get rid of this freaking data set. Thank you. [applause]

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>> Officially good night to everyone. Pretty much no longer good evening. Um it's going to be a little bit of a vibe shift. I talk a little differently than everyone else. I'm very impressed and grateful that everyone is different than

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I because I don't h possess that in me. But I have some words here. So once again, I'm here at this meeting and like I said on the last few ones, I'm still confused. Um I I come confused, I leave

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confused. The answers are I feel like it's just I'm running in circles trying to figure out what's going on. And there are people behind me who are infinite infinitely smarter than I. And we're all still confused. Confused meaning people know what's going on. We

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we know what's going on here and how the power is being used. I'm confused with the answers. I feel like it shouldn't be this difficult to understand what's going on. But anyway, more importantly, I am absolutely exhausted. I have been at work since 6:00 in the morning, as

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I'm sure many of you have. And now I have spent my last four Wednesday nights here at these meetings. This is not my preference to spend my Wednesday nights. But it is my job and my duty as someone who lives pretty much my backyard is

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going to be the data center. Other than being here for nearly 5 hours and being exhausted, today was my students last day of school. It was a really fun celebratory day. We got to clap all the students out. And part of my job is working with all sorts of

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teachers. All teach teachers who are not like me, who don't see the world like me, who don't talk like me, just like the people behind me. And more importantly, I support all kinds of students. I do support students with special needs. And what that entails is

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they certainly do not see the world the way I do. They do not know how to regulate themselves the way I do. me and my colleagues are constantly bered and you know we we have to deal with very emotional small humans.

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It's not easy. It it's not easy to stay calm and regulated when facing such heat. And I'm sure you relate to that because that's that's what's happened the last four meetings. You're you're receiving a lot of heat not only from

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children, someone called themselves a child earlier, but from adults. But just because it's not easy, that is not an excuse. I would get fired immediately if I spoke the way that some of you have spoke tonight immediately. I

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would probably lose my I don't even want to think about it. I love my job. Um, but what I'm trying to say is I I recognize that is very very difficult to do. It it it really is. It's hard not to let your emotions get the best of you. Um,

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what was my point with that? Oh, then don't do the job. Like, I would not have signed up to be a teacher if I knew I could not regulate myself. [applause] It's pretty simple. >> Can you pay ATTENTION TO THE MEETING, PLEASE? >> It's okay. >> On your phone back there. >> It's okay. I I see who's paying

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attention, and I actually want to call that out. Um, I want to keep the door open. I'm going to shout out C Councilman Piper here. I I remember my first meeting. >> Shout at me. >> No, I'm going to shout you out. My first meeting here, I I remember being very

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confused again. Um, and overwhelmed by the agitators. Um, I I was so confused at how everyone was speaking to each other. It's not what I expected as a as a young person now into politics. And I remember being a little frustrated by some individuals

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on their phone the whole time. Piper. Um, and now that >> why I was on my phone. >> Yeah, it's okay. I don't need to know. I don't need to know. What I'm trying to say is over the course of the last four meetings, I have watched you truly truly it seems you're truly listening. It it

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it feels truly genuine. And I just want to encourage others to to leave that door open. We we we can't shut down the councilmen who are really it appears to really want to listen to us because it's just human nature to get defensive when

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someone's, you know, aggressive towards you. And Councilman Piper, the door's open for me because I have seen growth through you. I I sincerely hope is genuine and I appreciate it. >> It is. As a matter of fact, the gentleman that was screaming at it and I told him I agree with him. You know, I I

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agree there. There's been all types of uh companies that have done wrong and people have died and been sick and I agree with that. And this could this could possibly be who knows? I don't know. And that's what we're all doing here trying to figure things out. >> We know.

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>> Well, that's why I'm here that's listening. I mean, he's everybody's listening now. Everybody has their own mind. They make their own decisions, but >> we don't need you to listen. We need you to take action. We need you to shut this project down. recent. Now, I'm going to be honest with

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you. When this whole thing started, I didn't realize how dangerous these centers were. LIKE, [applause] the mayor has said and Billy has said and I've researched, there are different types and they're built differently here

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and there. So, I'm old and I'm still trying to understand everything, but some people are just yelling, screaming at us and not giving us the opportunity. I >> I totally hear that. Unfortunately, I I I think it just it just comes with human nature.

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>> Okay, my turn. Um I I think that just comes with interacting with people in general, even just in public when you go outside, but especially in a profession like this. Like if I got help at any time a kid said something to me that was out of pocket, I need to go work in retailers. Actually, no, that would be

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worse. Um anyway, moving on. Um I I'm keeping the door open. I at least with Councilman Piper. Um okay, with that in mind, with the yelling that's been going on, history I mean a quick history lesson is not hard. You can just look it up on

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YouTube. History and change has never happened quietly literally ever since the beginning of mankind. It's just again human nature. It does not happen quietly. Um so yes decorum is amazing and I would love to have it but this

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right now is a historical event. We've never faced something this grandocious before in technology. So it's not going to happen quietly. It it's it's just simply not. Um, okay. A little bit about me. I'm just a very skeptical person in

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general. Um, and a big part of that was actually being really into history growing up. All the history I learned in elementary school was very simple. You know, like the pilgrims and natives got along and everything was great and now we got land, right? Then you go to high school and they're like, "Ah, just kidding. That's actually not what

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happened at all." And you're like, "Oh, that's weird. Why was I lied to for so many years?" Okay. Then something a little more that I feel relates slightly more is, you know, Agent Orange. It was a tactical sort of thing that was

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probably told to everyone on the war front. This is just for defense. Don't worry, it's going to be fine. Guess what happened? It was a lie. Now they are sick and unwell. And that again it's it's just

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not difficult to piece those pieces together and see how a pattern is repeating right now. Um think about just people you interact with. You overhear just a little gossip at your job that oh like this guy is not reliable. You're immediately skeptical like ah he's a lie, he's a fraud, whatever, whatever.

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If I heard the company I wanted to team with, even just a sl even before hearing anything, but a sliver that there's a lawsuit or something or whatever, I'm immediately distrustful. Guess what? I'm distrustful before that even happens because we know historically

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corporations do not serve us. They do not want us to be happy, healthy, and well. They just want money. It's not hard. Like look at where the money goes. I my students are struggling to get their services. There's no money going to education, but it's going to AI. It's

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making people stupider, STUPID, MORE STUPID. AH, WHATEVER. SO, I I I just cannot understand, not even for one sec. And that's I I leave here feeling genuinely like maybe I'm just dumb. Like what is going on? Cuz I

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cannot understand for a second how I've attended four meetings. Maybe the first one. Okay. And every single meeting there is mass like more people are coming disapproval. I learned again

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I know you know they lied to you in elementary school but I learned in elementary school that the the government's supposed to help you and serve you and whatnot. So if this many people are saying they don't want it four meetings later and I'm sure there was more before I even joined. I cannot

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understand how this is still happening. I can't it it then my skeptic brain goes and I'm like, "Well, what what are y'all doing behind the scenes and I'm a nice person. I don't like to accuse at all and I'm already thinking that way. >> That's why everyone's thinking that way." >> Yes.

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>> And Marl, you got to talk kinder, man. I know. I know it is difficult to receive heat. I really do. But I don't know. Meditation something. Find an outlet. Pickle ball. My mom loves pickle ball. That That's probably a good outlet. Something because

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people are just going to keep coming at you because they know they can't. >> Um, >> yeah. So, Corweave, you guys just have bad energy. You're dressing all dark. You're mad quiet in the corner. Like, what's going on? I'm

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so confused. And we already know technology is messing up all our brains. Like, kids are on iPads at the dinner table. Yo, and we want to promote AI. That makes no sense. That makes no sense to me. Anyway, officially good night.

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[applause] >> Hello. Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> Okay. My name is Nepa and I'm a Kennawwood resident. Um before I go into my um little shapil, I wanted to ask um

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we we keep hearing the rhetoric over and over again that the data center is already approved, but that is only data center one. I know there's two or three other data centers that needs to be approved. If we already know that the data center one, we are not we are no

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one's happy about it. Are we still going to go ahead and approve the two or three or four data center that's going to be on the site? >> The planning board will hear the application for the data center, not the governing body. >> Okay, that's where how it works. That's

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how they would be the ones. >> So, so there's no way that they will see, okay, let me see how the data center one goes up and how they're doing before I approve two, three, and four. >> I can't speak for anyone on the planning board. Okay, >> you're asking you you have to ask the

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question to them. >> Okay, sounds good. I'll move on. >> Okay. As a resident of Kennallorth, we expect our official to place the interests of the community above all else. Public service carries with it a

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responsibility to listen respectfully, engage constructively, and represent the voices of the people who entrusted them with the office. Councilman William Mororrow has publicly stated that he sought office to be a voice for the actual residents of Camelworth, not the

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interest con uh convincing our burrows to appear projects the town overwhelmingly rejects, which is great. Those words set an important standard and residents rightfully expect commitment to be

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reflected consistently in both actions and conduct. Many residents and others have attended meetings to express concerns and to participate in it in the democratic process. Regardless of different opinions, we deserve to be treated with

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respect and to have our concerns heard without any hostilities or dismissiveness. Healthy debate strengthens our community, while divisiveness erodess public trust. uh as an executive in the technology and

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AI data data industry, Councilman Mora brings valuable experience. However, with that experience comes with an even greater responsibility to ensure that the decision involving major developments including proposed data centers are guided slowly solely by what

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is best for the Kennallorth residents and and the others that in the neighboring towns especially when three or four data centers being built not just one. >> I don't work for an AI company. I don't know where you got that from for the record.

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>> Okay. Sure. Public officials should not merely evaluate opportunities through the lens of economic growth, but also consider long-term impacts of quality of life, infrastructure, transparency, and wish of the community they serve. Leadership is not measured by who speaks

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the loudest, but who listens, who treats others with dignity, and who demonstrates that public office is about service rather than personal or corporate interest. Residents are not asking for perfection. We're we're asking for accountability,

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civility, and assurance that our voice matters. Ultimately, elected officials are stewards of the public trust, which is earned through transparency, respect, and commitment to putting community first. The interest of Kennallwood

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resident must always come before the the priorities of corporations, outside special interests or any personal or professional consideration that create a conflict of interest. In the end, public office is a public

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trust, not a side hustle to anything else. That's all I have. >> Thank you. [applause] Hello again. Um, Marcelo, I know we've spoken a few times. Hope you guys are doing well. Um, I really didn't have anything planned again to say cuz I felt like I said it all, but I just kind of

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wanted to keep the party going in case anyone else wanted to talk after me. But >> um I also wanted to I I I rejected your beer offer last time. So I would get a beer with you actually. So um I'm sorry about that. I do apologize.

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>> You know, it's all good. We all make mistakes and I think you guys are stepping into a big one. >> You're buying. >> I am buying. Don't worry. But just for you right now cuz you're kind of the chillest one so far. But um uh yeah. Uh, but yeah, I think I have the

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ability to to realize when I may make a mistake and I think you guys could see that too. I don't know it like again like I also feel like I'm crazy sometimes. Like the entire room is out here being like don't do this, don't do this. X reason, Y reason, Z reason, a thousand billion reasons. One is not

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more important than the other. They're all important. And at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what XYZ and ABC reasons are. It's just like the fundamental piece of government of of democracy. It's like listen to your constituents. And again, it's not black and white.

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It's not like everything gets held to a vote. I understand that. But if we were to hold a vote right now, I'm pretty damn sure that it wouldn't pass. And we just really hope that you guys have our best interest cuz and again, people are confused because we don't understand where this disconnect is and why. And I

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also agree and that's also why like my demeanor up here is is chill. I'm actually like like I have a or a ring so whatever surveillance state stuff but um I check my heart rate and I'm sure mine is like through the roof right now but I know in order to break through to you

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guys I cannot always like like I have to keep my own cool and I hope that that resonates and I hope that at least like people coming at you sometimes everyone has their own way and reason and and and feelings behind that and they're all valid and just I just know that I can

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regulate myself and I'm not going to do that and it's not that that that that they're not justified in doing so cuz they have every damn right. They come here to speak and it takes a lot of balls and I don't have the balls to sit in front of you and yell, but like I kind of want to, you know, but like like

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I really just want you guys to to to to to hear us out as like a group here and just speaking on behalf of people from a tone that isn't offensive. And I hope you guys reconsider. Again, this thing's going to be right in my mom's backyard. I love Kennallorth. I go to the gym. I

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go into Kennallorth like four or five times a week. I love the town. I go to the Acme like like like I you guys are my community and I hope that as as much as I see you guys as good neighbors, I hope you would treat us as neighbors just as well. And it doesn't feel like

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it's happening in this direction, but at the end of the day, you guys kind of have a cool opportunity. Everyone's here, right? Everyone's This is going to get a lot of eyeballs. And from a political standpoint, I feel like if you guys do like your jobs, maybe you don't like it anymore, cuz I wouldn't if I were in your shoes, but like uh this is

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kind of a cool opportunity when you think about it. I know it's going to be a lot of hell and and and and high water to come if you do back out because there's going to be lawsuits and stuff, but we the people will support you. And if you guys got to fund raise and do like a carnival down the street or whatever and we got to we got to put our money together, we got to start a

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GoFundMe, it is what it is, but like [applause] we don't want it. And at the end of the day, um, like people all act in their own self-interest, right? And, and I understand the position you guys are in because I, it logically makes sense. There's something that's not there,

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right? And you guys need money and you're trying to find a way to do it. And the points that you're getting fed by Corby and that guy over there. Um, you have to realize also like like there's a really good Charlie Mer quote. I can't I'll probably butcher it, but it's something along the lines of like, "Show me the incentive and I'll show you

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the outcome." And um if you don't know, he's one of the best investors of all time along with uh Warren Buffett. And if you're going to make an investment in this community, right, or or if they're going to make an investment in our community, I think we should be able to

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see that that their incentives aren't aligned with yours. It's it's to line their pockets and to to to to make as much money for their shareholders. That's their legal obligation. And so I don't even blame the dude, but I don't like him because it's going to be in my backyard, but like I have to speak up

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and say something about it. Um, that's it. I don't know if anyone wants to keep the party going, I'll I'll I'll take back my my time or whatever. But I appreciate you guys also like taking the timer away. It takes a lot of the pressure off and I appreciate that. So, thank you. [applause]

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>> Hi, my name is Rebecca Davis. I'm from Cranford. I spoke once before. I'm the person who has a a daughter who's um sick and I'm concerned about health issues um for her and for every vulnerable person in the community. I just want to say two things

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based on what I've heard tonight. Um, one is I'm worried about the whole idea of it being built and then holding them accountable and possibly having them pay fines because a very wealthy corporation

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can probably afford fines. And if what's happening in the community is damaging people's health, causing a cancer cluster, um, whatever, uh, the fine doesn't matter really. you know, it's the health of the community

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that is, I think, the most important. I know that I understand that that Kennallorth needs money from that place, but I wonder if there's some other kind of company that could build there. The second one is I'm an editor, so I do a

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lot of research. Um, I know how to look at what's um a good resource versus a good source versus a bad source. And I've been doing research on the closed loop system, which has made me concerned. I know that you you keep

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saying that the water keeps recycling and so there's no danger or whatever from, you know, big water use. But what I'm reading is that in order to keep recycling the water, they put chemicals in it. And so if there's a

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leak, if there's an accident, if something happens, then that chemicalized water can go into our water systems. And then our cleansing plants, our water plants that that take care of

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the water, the sewage plants, whatever. Um it's too much for them to handle and then you've got a poisonous water problem. And so I just want to make sure that

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um everybody's thinking about all the possible problems here and planning for all of the possible problems including leaks, including you know dangers to our water supply and everything else. And

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then that's that's all that's just based on what I want what I've seen tonight. And I I thank you again for listening. Thank you. [applause] Hi. At one of the uh planning board meetings, they said that they were

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subdividing the property into four. >> Tonight at this meeting, I've been here for four hours. >> I think it's three. >> Three. >> Three. >> Okay. I thought they said four. >> I'm wrong. It's four. >> It's four. Okay.

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>> Um I thought tonight they're saying that a bunch of data centers are going in or is one going in one and something else is going in the other three? >> We don't have any applications for any other data center other than the one

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that is currently been passed. >> So there's still three. >> There's three lots. Okay. They're empty. They would have to come to the planning board and they would have to get approval for that >> because I heard tonight them saying that there were data. >> They can't just go ahead and build anything they want. Okay. With that

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approval. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Hi, I'm uh my name is Heather. I live on North 14th Street in Kennorth. My family's lived here for a little over 70 years. I live with my grandmother. She's um 84. And um I really care about this

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town. I love this town. I want to live here forever. Um you said it yourself that it is your job to concern yourself with what is in the best interest of the people of Kennaworth, but you're not listening to us. And we don't want the data center to

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be built at all. These AI companies have financial incentive to deceive you and the public, and they'll say whatever they have to in order to leech off our resources and our town. And as evidenced by the um um the what was it? It was the

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>> Yeah, the uh the lawsuit. They have a history of um lying to people and deceiving people. >> Um I'm sure you know that there have been other towns in New Jersey that have stopped their plans for constructing data centers due to the significant amount of residents that don't want

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these to be built in their communities. And um Mayor Signarella of Rosel Park uh I think you said that you met with him and he said he was approving of that data center, right? >> Well, I didn't actually meet with him. >> I meant like you met with him in public to him and and we had talked about

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>> Right. And he though he had his like his own personal feelings about the data center was positive. He still heard out his community and the concerns of the people and still uh introduced an ordinance for prohibiting AI data centers in the town because that is his

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job to do is to represent the people and not his own personal feelings. RIGHT. [applause] And then uh there's the there's the change.org petition. I don't know if you guys have looked at it recently. There's over 11,000 signatures on it. There's so many people that do not want this AI

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data center in the town. I was really hoping that um you guys would represent the interests of the people. We are the people and I would hope that you do everything that you can to execute our will. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. [applause] Perfect timing. I don't even want to talk today, but I have to talk. I just can't keep my mouth quiet. So, here we go. Um, so really quick in regards to that subdivide, this is a map in regards to

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that site. Um, the purple for the people at home, the purple is where they're currently working. Okay, Debbie G. Hey. So this red here, this gray blackish, these are gonna these are intended, right? Corre give me a wink if we write.

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So this is intent when they put in for the subdivide they have to put like what they want it for and they said their intent is to put two two more data centers and a future substation. I will if you want to review this, I'll give this to you closer.

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Okay. >> Okay. So, >> but that's that's from an Oprah request. We didn't make that up. That's not CH GPT. That's not AI. That is our request from the Bureau of Kennorth. Um, so I want to firstly thank you guys because you guys have literally created a

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community. Coreweave, I guess we'll give you a little flank here, but um, you literally created a community. from April 28th, we didn't know each other and now you have over 60 people working on this. It's amazing. And so genuinely, thank you. You created a community and I

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feel like more of an American using my voice, speaking up and coming together. I don't even think I'm qualified to be like giving out posters and emailing people. It's so odd for me to be honest, but here we are. Um, in regards to the brown water right from Nutley, there's

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one article saying that an AI data center was approved in Nutley. It was originally the applicant put in that it would be a truck depot, 44 or 41 truck depots there. Then all of a sudden, the applicant changed their mind because Nutley added zoning for data centers

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prior. So, they were like, "Oh, okay. Well, we're going to change our mind and do a data center." Okay. And yeah, maybe the information of what I said last week might have been leading, but look what's going on here. This went on without any transparency in count. Most people only found out about it about an Instagram

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post prior to the plan board meeting on April 28th. So, it's weird, right? But also, the Nutly site, they're in lit, well, they were in litigation and actually what happened, the applicant won because of their big tech money. They can afford big good good lawyers

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and they actually won the litigation. So, it's more than likely going to go through. And Nutley will not even say anything additional about that site. I went up and I was probably the best council meeting I ever had. I'm going to council meetings all over the place. >> So, [applause] maybe I'm following your footsteps. I

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don't know. Maybe not. Maybe not with a gavvel, whatever. But it it needs because respectfully, this is not against you guys. The council boards are not providing transparency. It's across the board. all the councils I think in the state of New Jersey respectfully y'all need to go because

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there is no transparency there's no care consideration for what the residents want and I have many details so we going to be here for a while and telling you and and why so that's why yeah maybe the information about Nutly brown water was leaving but it is a little bit odd that that data center is likely to go through in Nutly you can't get any other

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information on it besides that article I sent you um and also we're talking about we're going to hold them accountable go weeave You guys know you know that you are not going to be held accountable. That's why you're sitting here on these benches these hours

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because you know you're not going to be held accountable. Let's talk about Jeff Basos for a second, right? He lives in LA. He has uh whatever hedges at a certain height, right? And with that certain he height, you can't go a certain height for the town. Okay? So, he don't give up. So, he's going to let

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those hedges go as high as possible. Guess what Homeboy does? He just pays the fine. He just pays the fine. Guess what? Corweave has so many people in their pockets. Guess what they're going to do? They're going to pay the fine. Okay. So, you you guys are smarter than

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what you are saying. You know, once this goes through and they're putting down more things, once it's up, it's up. The best time to stop now. The best time to do something was yesterday. The next best time to do something is aki now. This time. OKAY. [applause]

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Most people when we come up here to talk it's awkward because the podium is backwards. The mic you have to be really close to it and then you sound like you're screaming or you can't hear us at all. So really quick, the terrible air conditioners, the mics, the lights, the the noise that goes in the background

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the whole time. Tell me you know nothing about AI without telling me you know nothing about AI. You're about to have an AI data center, but look at this crummy council meeting room. Respectfully, I'm sorry. I'm just pointing out the truth. It is what it is. Um, so yeah, maybe cor you want to

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donate to upgrade the room. >> Anyway, um, and also >> can I ask you, you just said we had a council. >> Yes, go to other council rooms. I mean, I don't know, you weren't here earlier, but there was way too many people here

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and the fire code came and they had they expressed their concerns how to go about it. I mean, other places they have additional seats. They have additional rooms that, you know, that the medas can continue on. So, >> TV on in the hallway. >> Yes. And and it was weird because when I was in the hallway cuz I couldn't get through because there were too many

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people in the room. I'm trying to sit in the back and trying to listen, but there's music playing in the back and I had to ask the officer to turn off the music so I could try to hear what was going on. Anyway, um also the last meeting, Joseph, it was cool to hear you speak for the first time. the last

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meeting like you said, why would she say that? Why would she say that? Well, because when I went down and Maline came up, the mayor and Marorrow had a little how do you know it's a deep fake about the the brown water and not like how do you know it's not real? So,

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I had to send her the metadata to let her know that it is indeed real. It's not AI. And so, Joseph leans over and he goes, "Why would she say that?" Linda was Yeah, why would she say that? I said, "I don't live in Nutley." Because at the end of one of the previous council meetings,

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mayor, you walked back and the clerk walked you back to your office. That far that far office all the way on the right hand side. Is that your office? See or no? Yes. >> I don't get the nature of your

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>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Good. Am I speak? Do you guys understand? >> Okay. Thank you. All right. So on the if you go down this hallway, the door on the right hand side, the clerk walked the mayor there and and I guess she was upset or whatever, just to make sure she got to her office safely. I support that. That's great. And then the mayor

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looks back and SHE GOES, "AND I NEED TO KNOW WHO SHE IS POINTING AT ME, pointing at me. And also, let's also identify. [laughter] Let's also let's Okay, whatever. Whatever. I I dreamt about it. I really don't want to.

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>> That did not happen. Once once I start, it's not going to stop. >> That did not happen. >> All right. So, I'm really trying here. >> That did NOT HAPPEN. >> YOU WERE NOT THERE. I SAID THE COURT WAS THE MAYOR. YES, I WAS. >> GO BACK HOME or wherever they just came from. Okay. Let me talk.

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>> I really DON'T WANT TO DO very rude and disrespectful. >> Really quick, guys. Guys, stop. Stop. Your perception of me is a reflection of you >> AND MY REACTION TO YOU IS AN AWARENESS [screaming] OF ME.

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[applause] >> So anyway, here we are. With that said, so the mayor is actually needing to look into people. That's why they said, "What's your name and your address? What's your name and your address?" Because they were looking into people to investigate them. It is true whether you believe it or not, you spoke those words the same way you spoke the words, "I

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don't want to be mayor anymore." Um, also, so another note that I'm going to make Oh my god. >> They like to retaliate. >> This is crazy. >> It is crazy. It is crazy. I I It [laughter] feels like a nightmare. Yes, it does feel like a circus. It feels like a nightmare. And every day I don't

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want to come here. [snorts] I don't want to come here. I don't want to speak. I don't want this to be what it is. But here we are >> because of you guys and your corruption. >> We're not corrupt. >> Okay, then cancel the data center. THAT'S GOING TO HARM ALL OF US.

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>> I REALLY think you're all being very disrespectful. EVERYBODY, don't tell us you're worth being disrespected. >> People's the people's g. >> We are not doing >> has entered the chat. >> Speaking to you politely, trying to

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answer questions. YOU JUST SHUT UP. YOU JUST GOT HERE, >> GUYS. GUYS, let's let's not let's >> And here we are. I was 4 hours late. >> You're proud you were late. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Me too. Me too. Anyway, so um

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really not really quick. I got time. Um so I don't know if you guys know I truthfully I don't want to be here. I don't want to talk. But the thing is I can't not after the research that I've done. I shared this before. I cannot take action on this. I am the one canvasing. I am the one planning the canvasing. I will go door to door. I was

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the only one at the street fair burning down. Like I was sweating. I was in black. I was so foolish. I don't know. It is what it is, but I had amazing connections and I don't know, maybe my purpose right now is to help spread awareness on this. It is what it is. Um, so we've been canvasing and I personally

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have spoken to over 200 people. I want to identify one woman again. I spoke to over 200 people, residents of Kennaworth, and most of them do not know. One resident opened up his door on Saturday on Sunday and he goes, "Tell me what you need and I'll be there." And I said, "Be at this

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meeting." as another woman, another resident walking. I I stopped her and she's like, "Tell me what you need. I can't be there at this meeting. I'll be there at the next meeting. Here's my personal line. Text me." I got so many people I got to call. I ain't got time for it, but here we are and I'm going to do it. So, canvasing. We met Jimmy. Hey,

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Jimmy sitting next to the creepy Cory people. Um, Jimmy's amazing. And we went canvasing and we met Mary. And Mary was watering her tree. She's a 77year-old woman. She doesn't look 77. I'll tell you that. She loves active and uh she threw her we were like hey can we

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present you with a flyer regarding the AI data center in Kennorth. She threw her holes down and she said finally I've been waiting for you guys to come here. I called assemblyman Ed Rodriguez. Was that his name guys? >> Okay. Ed Rodriguez. And he told her it's

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a done deal. There's nothing she can do. She said she stays up at night thinking about this. She she doesn't have kids but she's concerned about other people's kids. Then Jimmy spoke with another resident. I'm sorry, Jimmy, I didn't get her name, but she's an older woman and she they had like a 15-minute conversation. And

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this woman, she said, "I can't if they do anything else, I can't afford to live here." Right? Did I miss anything else? That's what she said. I mean, there the stories are numerous and I try to make connections with everybody whether I knock on their door, I'm like, "No, thank you. Whatever." I'm like, "Okay, have a good day." I'm not I'm not

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attacking them like you claim I'm attacking you. Meow. Um, but it's it's about the connection and it's about the transparency. I don't live in Kennallorth. I'm in Union County, but here I am doing the leg work because people deserve to know what's going on.

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I'm going to Thank you. [applause] I'm going to ask you TO PAY ATTENTION. YOU HAVE SOMEONE SPEAKING TO YOU. >> Is he Can you really not hear me, Mr. Finola? He might have a hearing concern. It's okay. It's all right.

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>> We'll give him the benefit of the doubt. >> It's okay. I don't care. >> I love the way that he drank the the water the last of his water and then crumpled up his water bottle close to the mic. I don't know if you guys caught that. >> Crisis. >> Also, anthropic, right? That's one of

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the companies that was interviewed in that AI doc. Okay, raise of hands. Anyone on the council, anyone I'm looking at, did you guys ever watch that documentary called AI Doc on YouTube? >> No. >> If you if you need $10 to watch that documentary, I will give you money. I got money. I got cash. So, if you want

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the $10 to watch it, I will give it to you because I think it's beneficial. If you're making decisions as such in regards to AI, three AI data centers in a future substation in your town, in your burrow, the least you could do is take the $10

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and watch that documentary. What station you >> YouTube.com? I will send it to you. I will email you. I will email you the link and everything. No worries. Okay. Um, but in that documentary, people from anthrop people from anthropic are interviewed and that's one of the people

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that says, "We do not expect you to make it to high school." And you know, Mr. Morrow, you said there's 12 a dozen kids between all of us and like eight grandkids, whatever. Shouldn't you guys be concerned about their future? I don't know. I would. I don't have

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kids, but like Mary, I'm concerned for other people's kids. Um, so in that documentary, Anthropic mentions, "Are you that kids are not going to make it to high school?" And recently, Anthropic actually just had to suspend their latest model of according to the government. The government had to ask

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them to shut it down. Speaking of shutting it down, bad boy. Hi, Exit 138 Facebook page, right? You you run that? >> Yeah. So, >> nice. Good job. I think there's like 7,000 or 6,000 people in there or

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something. That's great. That's great to create community the same way that you guys have created this community for us. It's just interesting that like some of our people try to like uh how do you say go into the group and they get denied. We've had people multiple times do it and they get denied several times. We've

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had people here that are already in those groups that post about our opposing view about the AI data center and it gets rejected, deleted. And so that's I just want to say that's interesting. >> So I try and leave up whatever I can, but it just there's 50 a day of the same

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thing. >> Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Let him talk. Let him talk. Go ahead. There's 50 a day. >> Yeah. >> You're not the only moderator. You're not the one. >> Oh, okay. So what is it? You and WG, right? >> No. >> Are you also a moderator? >> I am. >> Okay. Thank you. >> No. >> Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you for

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pointing that out and admitting. We appreciate you. >> Why are you saying I'm a moderator? >> I'm not saying you're a moderator. I said is it also Debbie G? because people have said his wife is the one that responds to it. >> I do. I do answer. >> So, so I mean that's that's that's what it >> that's what they said. So, I'm just

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repeating that. I don't know if that's factual or whatever. Um, okay. >> Mr. Attorney, is there something you can do to make sure that they're actually listening and paying attention? We're here because of them. The least you can do is have respect to listen to.

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>> It's okay. >> Everyone's listening to everyone that's being said here. All right. So, this is what I wanted to say a long time ago, but I never had the time to do it, and today we do. It's okay. There's a considerable. Take a nap. One. Okay. So, one exit after

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another at companies like open open AI, Anthropic, Google, Microsoft, from employees who work in artificial intelligence. There is a joke going around when those who quit working for AI, they say, "I'm going to become a poet, a find a new passion, travel the

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world." Whereas those who leave from working on AGI, they say, "I'm leaving to spend time with my family and loved ones." That's a joke that's going around in the AI industry. I'd like to highlight this is somebody I mentioned before who uh his resignation letter was

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public from Anthropic. And just this one part, he says, "Nevertheless, it is clear to me that the time has come to move on. I continuously find myself reckoning with our situation. The world is in peril and not just from AI or

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boweapons but from a whole series of interconnected crises unfolding in this very moment. We appear to be approaching a threshold where our wisdom must grow in equal measure to our capacity to affect the

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world less we face the consequences. It's cool to be in this room because you have different sides, right? or maybe you're learning so you're not really on the side or you know same thing some of the residents I meet they love AI until they come until they do their research and like Janice when she came last week

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she's like oh my god I got to stop using it and she came here and she spoke up and she was actually here today so I don't know what else to say continue to do your research I'll I'll send you links it's terrifying I I feel like personally I feel like I've done everything in my life that I want to do

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there's nothing more that I want to do I've traveled the world I've had my own business I I've my life has been rich and not in money. I don't have money. I plan accordingly and I enjoy my life. I feel like I've enjoyed it so much that

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if my life is to come to an end, I would be grateful because I did everything I wanted to do. Even the things that scared me. Speaking up at a council meeting, shout out Nea. I think she left. But if my life was to be over, fine. But now I'm speaking in purpose.

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And this is for all of us, whether you guys see it or not, whether Corey sees it or not. They're probably sitting really comfortable right now with wads of cash up their ass. But, you know, I I hope all of us can feel that way, you know, and if you don't go after speaking

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up or your fears, whatever it is, but I've done everything in my life needed, and this is just an additional belt match, I guess. But I don't even want to be here truthfully. But somehow God led me here. Thanks for listening. >> [applause]

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[applause] >> UM, [clears throat] after my first time here, I emailed everybody on this panel that this should not even be taking place here. So, what's the procedure to have this meeting at David Burley?

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So everybody can have a seat and there's no fire code broken and everybody's comfortable. I don't know that we can. >> It's a good idea >> cuz it turns people off cuz they can't hear.

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>> Tell everybody there's going to be a fireworks show and everybody will show up. Oh, sorry. We're going to talk about this. I >> I think this is done purposely. It gets hot. You have people standing like cattle in the hallway then. Oh, we hit

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over 95. People got to leave it. It's very strategically >> boxes. >> Other towns have done it. We have a football field. We got a high school. We got a grammar school. You under you you emailed me back. You understood my

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point. This is a control method. What we're doing here, >> you only have 95. You don't have 500. dead air. >> This is the room we have. >> Okay. And we don't have David Pley.

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>> We can talk for you. >> No, I don't. I emailed every single person and the only person that emailed me back was Mr. Spice. >> You have the email. >> And then we have the burrow attorney here. It's not even your name. We can't

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we can't have the correct name. I find these things very strange. >> He's on vacation. >> Yeah, I know. But you should have your own name here. >> I get it. But we don't know who you are. >> Correcting them either. >> I'm only substituting. >> But you can correcting us. You're not correcting them. They have been lying.

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They've been lying. They've been very rude. >> People are writing notes and they're writing the attorney's name thinking you're >> It's the same firm. >> Okay. Conspicuous. It's not you. >> Yeah. I mean I don't I DOES MR. BOY SAY he's the William Warro and he

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it's not to say that I'm identify the position >> I find a lot of things weird that's going on in here >> rude >> it's rude >> very rude who's dozing off who's rolling their eyes so why can't we have this forum in

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a bigger place so elderly people could come could sit down and people with children could sit down. >> My friend in a wheelchair was going to come but he couldn't get through the front door cuz there steps so it turned him off. He knew the room was going to be hot box so

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>> Oh yeah, they do. >> I'm sure during court we have an elevator but there's room for a person in a wheelchair which you're just dismissing right >> there is room for a wheelchair in here. >> Man in a wheelchair couldn't come tonight because it's in this room.

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>> He could have come. There's an elevator right there. >> Have you been in a wheelchair? You spend a day in a wheelchair. You can't even get through the front door with dignity. >> There's a wheelchair access on the side of the building that's lighted that automatic door. There's the wheel. Okay.

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Besides the wheelchair question, let the book answer question. >> What do we do to have the next meeting of David Burley >> and let everybody know who's going to be there and what day? It's a completely different governing

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governing body. I I don't know what governing do. Yeah, >> you're the mayor. >> No, we do not. >> You can't move it. No to rent out. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No. The the board of education is the government for the school and we are the

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government. So, we don't pay for my tax. >> Two separate governments. I am sure. >> Two separate government. We could shut down the boulevard for a fair, but we can't have a meeting that affects everybody in this town at David Burley. >> I would have the burrow administrator

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look at into that. >> Who do we who do we call? >> You wouldn't call anyone. The burrow administrator would call >> the board of ed. >> So we have to propose it because we do not trust any of you to propose it. >> So we will do it ourselves. >> To propose that idea.

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>> We'll take it upon ourselves. Who who do we call? >> So I could tell you that the meetings that they h they they have at the board of education their meeting room is probably onethird the size of the >> auditorium is it >> if you do it in a

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>> we have a gym. We even have a special gym for the wrestlers. >> Okay. I'll I'll answer when you're done. So, in order for all of this recording equipment to be moved over >> is a is a task.

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>> You don't have IP. I'm >> I'm trying to answer you >> intelligently. So, it's not just us showing up. All of this equipment would have to be moved >> for one meeting.

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>> I will help you. I will move it. >> I will guide for you. Not. It's not. I work in it. I can't. It's not that hard. >> Carry on like that. I'm trying to answer. >> I understand. You have to move the equipment. So, you move the equipment to benefit the town and to be fair to

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everybody in the town and for them to have a seat. >> Mhm. >> You move the equipment. >> If that can be done. >> Oh, it could be done. >> Why can't it be? >> Absolutely. >> We voted for you. So, if it was done for one meeting, are you proposing that

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every single council meeting? >> Maybe. Yeah. I have a feeling people aren't going to go away. >> Okay. >> Now, but this made everybody awake >> do this anymore. >> We actually trusted you to do the right things. And now that we see you didn't,

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I think a lot of people are going to keep showing up because what else was done? >> We're going to grow. >> We are not going to drop THIS UNTIL YOU DROP THIS data center project that's going to harm all of us. You have the power to stop it. Please stop it. I don't know what's funny, man. Why are you smiling? What's funny? You're trying

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to poison all >> You're acting hysterical. >> NO, I'M NOT. >> WHY is a data center that's very harmful still going up? >> I'm not going to shout. >> Okay, ma'am. Why is a data center that's going to harm all of us still going up

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if you're not doing anything wrong here? Nothing's impossible. >> You're going to harm all of us. Thank you. >> If they could build >> no position being in power. >> Nope. [applause] >> Okay. >> So why don't all of you people run for

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office people all manipulating and people trying to have intent on harming us. >> No, that's not true. >> I'VE DOCUMENTED EVERY SINGLE IT'S ON VIDEOTAPE. It's on videotape. >> What's on videotape? >> How many lies in the manipulation that

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you guys have been pushing here? >> No, we not. >> You may not like the answers you're getting, BUT THEY'RE NOT us because you said that there was nothing we can do. The mayor said that there was going to be no TOXIC WASTE

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COMING FROM THIS THING. LIES, LIES, LIES. >> What was that? >> You know what? I do have another question, too. >> When you pull up the core weave, cuz I did, and I have video of it, they're digging up dirt. >> Is that dirt contaminated? >> All over my car.

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>> Is that Is that dirt contaminated? And we're just like pushing it up in the air. >> I don't know. It's probably the same dirt that's been there since, >> but we WEREN'T DIGGING IT UP. We weren't digging it up and contaminated. >> No, it's contaminated. That's why >> I don't know. Do you know it's contaminated?

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>> Have you thought you're in charge of the children if it's not contaminated? >> You guys, somebody said, I'm not going to mention I don't remember exactly, but I did read the soil's contaminated and that's why we couldn't have apartments. We couldn't make it a park. There was

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very little. >> No, that was not what was said. That's a manipulation of a of a comment that was said. What was said was that is an industrial area. Okay? So, it is not appropriate for housing just like a lot

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of other industrial areas that are on Michigan Avenue or in the back by u soil or you would have been building apartments all over the place like every other town making money. >> It's not zoned for residential development.

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>> It doesn't have to be a data center though. So I'm confused. Why can't this be? >> It can. The city council could stop it right now. >> No, no, just even move the meeting. They can't even do that. >> Oh, no. They do. They do not care about the >> I mean, the first meeting I like to I was in the hallway and they can't even

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put the meeting on a TV screen. >> But then we trust that they understand what AI is and they can't even put the meeting on a screen. For what it's worth, our budget does include money to fix the H track, so it will be cooler in here, at least when that's done. >> Well, I I don't really I'll sit here and sweat to death. It's fine. >> Okay.

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>> Uh but you know, elder older people can't take it. So, you're eliminating them from being here. >> Well, we're not doing it intentionally. >> That's why there's central there's something to fix the problem. Move the meeting. >> We're trying to

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>> Oh, so you are trying to do >> No, we're trying to reate the budget. But there's only 95 people allowed in this room. So is that fair? Like only the first 95 get a seat and everybody else stands in the hallway and then it's a fire hazard. >> Yeah, we do need a new municipal building, but

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>> the answer is not to knock down a building and build a new building. I thought we had no money. >> We don't. That's why you're still here. >> We we have space. >> We have we there there's proper space that people can sit >> besides the gym. Where else? >> Auditorium. How about Harding School

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people? I saw other towns having it right outside. >> I'll at least some everybody could hear. >> I It's hot in here, so we'll sit outside. The point is it's possible and it's your responsibility to all of your

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constituents are heard. >> Wait. >> So, who do we call >> do? >> I'm sure they could give you permission. >> I don't think it should be a problem. I mean, we all pay taxes. We're high school. We use it to vote. We use it to

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vote. Everybody is, didn't we? >> We see what they say. >> I just think it's more >> want to get paid. >> Yeah. >> I mean, of course, the lawyers want this. >> Like, oh, yeah, they don't do what they say. They're going to buy them and then

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you're going to pay the lawyer to fight with Cory. The lawyers are just making money >> and you guys just bought right into this. >> Look at these two people. >> How can you >> How do you even think? >> How does it feel to be

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>> like nothing? >> Poisoning children and not a care in the world. >> I get it. It's their job. They're salesmen. >> They're probably taking notes on, you know, their next talking point. >> They taking notes on every scooter basically.

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Whatever. I mean I think we're all smart. >> Oh yeah. Why is there a meeting with >> Corby? >> You said do. >> I don't have any meeting set up with >> you. I I did want to

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>> It didn't get put together. So they don't want to do it. I it just didn't put to get put together. And >> I mean, I get it. You wanted to do it because you did mention it. I mean, you did throw it out there. So, >> I think you wanted to do it, but I guess

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Puerto R does it. >> They want to do it. They want to do it when they feel it's in their interest. They feel like it won't be in their do it. It's that simple. Just that simple. >> No, you know what really upset me? Listen, if you got if you're going to

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talk to each other, we're going to adjourn the meeting. You're going to whoever's going to come up >> is has is can speak. >> Okay. So, the board met I will be calling them tomorrow and I will cop you. >> Thank you. [applause] Hello.

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Um, I'm probably like the last person you guys care about right now cuz I'm disabled. Although it's not visible, I am. And it's 10:55. I've been here since like 4:30. I did the rally outside.

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Um, I had to wait outside because I couldn't come in here because it was way too hot. It made my heart rate go up to 120, so I had to sit down outside, which I think is really unfair. More to her point, like we should have this somewhere else. That's besides the point. I also don't think it's fair for

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someone to come in maybe like an hour or so before the meeting's about to end, clip-clopping up the stairs, and then coming here and laughing at us and making comments about us. I find that very unfair. Okay. So, I was at my grandson's high school graduation.

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>> That's okay. And I really don't >> when I drove past and saw the lights still on out of concern for the burrow. >> Then move the meeting to a different date. You know, it's June. Everyone's having graduations.

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>> I still came. [applause] >> You can shake your head all you want. I worked in the school system. Graduation is always in June, always in May. You knew that, right? You've known that your nephew's graduation, whatever the hell that is. You knew his graduation was

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happening. You could have scheduled better for that. And maybe >> Scheduled what? >> Move this meeting to a DIFFERENT DAY FOR YOURSELF. >> YES. THEN DON'T MOVE IT FOR >> THEN. Why did you come in here acting like it was so important? >> It is important. That's why I find it important here. I could have gone home. >> I find the lives of the entire town and

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the surrounding towns more important. So you're twist you're twisting a good deed. So you could just go back to the [applause] faculty. That's terrible. >> Graduation present. >> If I may. >> Anyone else have any other comments?

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>> If I may, mayor and governing body, if nobody has anything new to say, something that's not repetitive, I would ask that you make a motion to adjourn. Let the record reflect. It's now been 5 hours and a lot of the testimony and opinions have been repetitive itself. I

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would let it play its course. >> I wouldn't suggest that. >> That's my personal opinion. Play it course. >> So me and my mom and a friend that has come here before. We by foot handed out

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f flyers, 200 flyers. We talked to 200 people about what was going on and not one of them knew what was going on. And that was weeks ago. That was weeks ago. Still no one knew what was going on. And still to this day, like not a lot of people know or understand what's going

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on. You had a 100 people take time out of their life, out of their day and night to show up here. Over a hundred people. And you're worried about moving some equipment like that's going to inconvenience you? Over a hundred people took time to come and listen to you. Like I don't think the equipment is more

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important than that. I think >> I didn't say it was an inconvenience. I I was saying that I don't know if it's possible and legally if if it can be just moved. This is a legal proceeding to a public school. I don't have that

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answer is all I'm saying. So I'm trying to respond politely to a question that was given. It is something that could be asked, but I don't know if it can be had. That's all I said. >> I think it's possible. We shouldn't even

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be having another meeting. It should be tabled and done right now. End the data center project. You have the power. [applause] >> I'm going to make a motion to end the >> else just because she wasn't here prior singular question on the left.

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>> Go ahead. Okay. >> Is is the most is the most recent bid that you and your husband for Perno Jadarno Construction in Rowway the Orchard Book Stream Capacity Restoration Project. Did you win that bid? >> No. >> No.

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>> No. I don't even And what? >> No. I'm just It's just a question. Yes or no? >> I said no. >> And I don't know what that has to do with this proceeding here. What do you do for work? >> Excuse me. >> What do you do for work? >> Business. It gets none of your business.

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>> Anyone else from the public have any? >> Here's what I DO FOR WORK. I'M A CREATIVE. I'M AN ARTIST. I DRAW ON MY HANDS and I use my brain. WHEN YOU HAVE TO USE CREATIVITY AND PHYSICALITY, something AI cannot ever do. And all they do is trademark art. Art art. Right. I STARTED THIS ABOUT CHILDREN.

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MARA WANTS TO MAKE A JOKE TO HER ABOUT THE deep fakes. Right. Cool. So there we go. Right. Awesome. Love that. Cool. So, what I'm going to say is when it comes to creativity and it comes to something like artificial intelligence, it makes you a dumb person. Makes you quite literally a dumb person because what are

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you GOING TO DO? HEY, CHAT GBT, can you draw me Mona Lisa? Yeah, sure. LET'S JUST STEAL EVERYBODY ELSE'S ART on the internet, throw it in here, and not tell any of them. Is that creativity to you, ma'am? >> So, is that your questions on me? [applause] >> Okay. >> Does anyone else have any comments from

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the public? >> Okay, seeing no one, I'd like a motion to adjurnn. Motion second. >> Motion made. >> I'd like a motion to adjourn the meeting. >> 100% [music]

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