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I'm making this announcement in compliance with the open public meetings act chapter 231 public law 1975 laws of the state of New Jersey The burough clerk has prepared a schedule of the meetings of the governing body of the bureau of Kennorth for the year 2025 The
burrow clerk has posted a true copy of this schedule on the bulletin board located at the front entrance of Barrow Hall and has mailed true copies of this schedule to the local source and the store ledger and is maintaining a copy of this schedule in her office during
the year 2025 Accordingly the notice requirements of the open public meetings act have been satisfied in regard to this meeting Please stand for the salute to the flag I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all Roll call Mayor Carage here Councilman Bole here Councilman Finella here
Councilman Jalo here Councilman Mororrow here Councilman Piper here And Councilman Stur here Okay I'd like a motion to approve the minutes of April 2nd 2025 and the executive session of April
2nd 2025 Motion Second Motion made by Councilman Finestro Was it and uh seconded by Councilwoman Gioano Perno Roll call Councilman Doyle Councilman Finrella Yes Councilman Grodano Yes Councilman Mororrow Yes Councilman Piper
And Councilman Stice Yes Okay I'd like to move on to the finance department Sure Uh Councilman thank you Uh very light tonight Now that the budget was passed last week we're at the state review period Uh we'll hear more
from them if they have any questions Uh we now work on the capital budget similar process where Ken and the administrators will all get together and talk about what the requests are and start that process now for the capital side instead of the operating side And that's it for now Thank you Councilman
Department of Public Works Councilman Bole Thank you Mayor Uh the DPW collected and disposed 225 tons of municipal solid waste for a cost of $18,15 Collected 46.46 tons of
co-mingled recycling for a cost of $1,984 and collected 9 tons of vegetative waste for a cost of $1,165 Uh regarding recycling bottles and cans we remind residents not to use plastic garbage bags Plastic bags clog the
machines at the recycling facility Um I'm just going to ask Craig to come up and explain the bulk pickup exactly how we're doing it That seems a lot of questions [Music] You have any of those questions that
people have asked you i have a copy of it right following That's a fire that we're very hard on straight water Yeah So uh the flyer has a schedule and it's a maximum of five
items per household no recycling materials which were listed in the flyer and we're picking it up on Fridays And when we say the following day if we don't run out of time or we have items that were too heavy for a twoman team to
lift we'll be picking that up on Saturday not Monday And we urge residents to only put out the items at 5:00 p.m the day before We've been going through town We're trying to knock on doors No one's
answering doors Probably have to reach out to zoning for help because residents are putting out bulk now And some of them are areas where they won't get picked up until July So and it's also some houses have
bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye We haven't announced any bulk dates So why not we just announced that flyer no I mean the way we used to do where we had a bulk in the spring and a bulk the dates are on here Um so they're deacto vault dates Right But it's May 9th May
9th Why would you put it out now but it's in parts of the town that won't even happen until July As the residents have been calling our offices they're saying "When are you doing a spring bull clean up?" Right That's what I think they're putting it out for Because we used to do it in April So they're just taking it upon themselves to to Yeah And
I think in 23 you guys didn't do it in April because when I got hired in June I was I got hired this when we were doing the Southside or something like that We were like it was like the last week of bulk pickup when I got hired So that was 18 and 23 also But it was that was the
last year we did a two years I think the last two years was it we only had one bul a couple years So that's why just 24 was like one year Oh it was just Yeah it was just 24 cuz 23 we did one right We did two in 23 Yeah cuz we were finishing up the one where I got hired go by and
then we did another one right after the garage sale Okay So Greg I I'm hearing the angst around the five item limit So I think that when we were discussing it the five item limit was five items but you said no recycling Bulk recycling is not part of the five items So
refrigerator something like that Like don't put that out Don't put that out We call up and then somebody picks up So I'm going to I I mentioned it to Laura this afternoon Um that once we get this like rolling and we're like in a smooth transition we're going to revisit the
alakart bulk um trying to really make it a little more accommodating to the residents and this five bulk item is only guaranteed for this year It this is a pilot program right now and we want to see how smoothly or how rough it goes
picking up five items per household If we feel we can accommodate more we will But if we have to scale it back we'll scale it back It's this is a pilot program Why would we pilot no I hear you loud and clear The other thing too I think uh you had mentioned to us I love how you said it if it fits in a can it's
not bulk still our rule like a kitchen garbage can size like a 13 that's now that's the thing I have complaints from my sanitation department there was a resident who put 55gallon trash 55gallon trash bag of carpeting out and they said two people couldn't even lift off the
ground and this goes back to why I was changing our ordinances I want every resident to have their garbage even if it's a small bag in a can Number one it's a health reason Number two if someone does make a can too heavy the bowel grabber can lift it and guys
aren't getting hurt And then someone was putting uh grass and leaves in garbage bag and expecting the trash guys to pick it up Plastic garbage bag So we try and follow up with those residents Is carpet considered construction material wall-to-wall carpeting is area rugs are
not Okay Area rugs are considered normal bulk So if it has a seamed edge then it's considered normal bulk But if it's wall to- wall it's construction Okay Yeah Someone that I know asked me if there was going to be a bulk pick up and
I said "We won't have a pilot program try to do this in house." Somehow they got a hold of this on Facebook or somewhere and sent it to me and said "Uh when is it going to be free?" And I said "It is free." But then I saw subject to five items So maybe that person puts out
more than five items and is looking for a So if bulk pick up someone puts out seven items my guys will decide which five they're going to take So you run that gamble And there's also a second opportunity for people to
put out bulk So technically it's 10 items I mean do people generally put out more than 10 items i mean that's a lot I think I saw they came up with a bedroom furniture It's You said a sectional is two Like a couch and a lovely is two Yep
Sure Mhm And a sectional is one No cuz it's it's it's three pieces You've got the one you got the two sides and then you got that corner That's a minimum of sectional is three Depending on how big it is it could be five but the minimum pieces required for a
section of three Well we all know how this works Everybody's friendly with neighbors And some neighbor might have nothing Okay Can you take one or two of my pieces unless we personally witness it or someone has video of someone doing it there's no way to enforce that [Music]
What about the only families uh so each floor is going to have five right so we talked about as long as sanitation is collecting their garbage they're they're entitled to bulk pickup And if it is a five family dwelling then
yeah it's we don't have any of those yet right but I'm just using as an example Two family dwelling Yes there's going to be 10 items at the curve max And there's no way to tell that it came from five from one five from the other It could it was seven and three Doesn't matter As long
as it's 10 I'm sorry As long as it's 10 max technically it was seven and three Does it matter right It's maximum 10 So let's put out one item That's fine All right Do you need a list you know the houses You going to count the mailboxes or I'm working on sanitation with that right
now so we can send out flyers because we don't want to do a mass mailing We found in the past with mass mailings that they don't put the addresses on there It just says resident of Kennallorth So if the mail carrier is walking down the road and forgets to put one in there they won't know if they forgot to put one in
there because there's no address saying that they missed it So that's why a lot of the residents are missing our recycling uh DPW flyers that we mail out every year So we're going to have to start actually putting addresses on them to make sure that every house gets one
This is a good idea for the tax records Yeah Was that one sent out this year i didn't get one So I didn't get one example Yeah Prime example How many mail I had a couple neighbors say
tonight people generally fear change we all do Um but this is positive because when you look at it to the mayor's point 10 items for this year next year if we do this once a quarter it's 20 household bulk items that we're looking at for the year That's a lot I mean when you put in
the bulk app that's a lot of items Uh as this rolls on if we can get the pilot up and running in the long run this is a better option than two volt pickups a year now Yeah Because it it keeps the town with a cleaner image Yeah And I don't want a couch in my garage for more
than 3 months and one right now To me it's two ball pickups instead of one because you have two opportunities to get rid of junk It keeps those junk I always get rid of stuff when I need to get rid of stuff and I don't care if that's why I I never really put out bulk
Yeah cuz those junk collectors they just make a mess They just go picking through and it's all over I can't store things That's another reason why we're telling people not to put on any appliances especially with Freon Because if you got an air conditioner who's to say that bulk is not clipping the lines and letting the freon go out in the air
right sure We want to be able to collect and dispose of it legally And Greg this program is going to help eliminate our um I don't know what do you call them our our pirate dumpers from other towns
in people's homes So Exactly Right Ruins for everybody because we pay more tonnage and now we can't afford to do it every time Right Yeah It has an impact Yeah Cuz they could put they could just add their stuff to someone else's pile and no one's and they they'll still get all their stuff picked up I five items residents are going to be like "Stay off
my property." Right Correct I have my five already going out They're accounted for Just so people know that there carpeting wall to-all carpeting that has to be put out for takeoff That's considered construction debris that can't be put
out So then what are you doing that's a separate disposal and you would have to get your own dumpster or a bag That's another option have carpet and the carpet's being replaced generally the
carpet installers will remove the old carpet and put in the new carpet and then you don't have to worry about it Well there are yards that you can bring stuff to Yeah So this this it's a state regulation State mandates the difference between bulk and construction bulk and
it's a different cost to get rid of it and a different process I don't know the process I just know that that's what I was told by by uh someone on on the uh DCA So with that being said if you do have construction debris you can get your own
dumpster but if you have a small amount there's a thing called a bager by Waste Management and Grand Sanitation It's a canvas bag with two straps You can put three tons of garbage in it and they can pick it up and haul it away and it doesn't destroy your lawn
Notification Can we have like a phone call blast so people we can get the mail or a lot of information to put the thing is is that we keep encouraging our residents and we've advertised like crazy on it but only a thousand or so people have signed up for that and right
we haven't broken a thousand if you got 6600 residents in your town very big outreach I think it's easier for people to call the DPW instead of you trying to reach everybody if you're interested and you don't know call the DPW W you know I can reach out to the
colonel work life and see if they'll put this in there Yeah that would be helpful Yeah Yeah Yep Yeah We can put on exit 138 things you don't see in exit 138 and any other Facebook pages that are associated You know that will help
I think I think it the best place is the burrow announcements page and then share and then I if anyone puts on Facebook right yes Yes Yes Comments Let them share it and like
it street fair Comment Any questions call DVW announce it too or mention it no we're going to advertise at the street fair Absolutely Yeah I mean it'll be after the first pickup but the rest of the residents will get a good eye for it So
all right Well thank you I'm sure there was a lot of thought and a lot of work put into this program So thank you Greg DPW uh department and uh committee Thanks You're welcome Wonderful All
right Anything else okay Public safety Councilman Finesta Oh thank you Mayor Um on April 2nd the mayor and council sworn in three promotions Captain Ed Pastor Lieutenant Grady and Sergeant Anthony Tanks The
police department is very grateful for the promotions On April 2nd Kennorth Police Department had its bannual every 15inute program This program involves David Brley High School students and the Kennorth Police officers and shows the devastating effects of drinking and
driving and how it affects a whole community Recognition goes out to Sergeant uh Detect Detective Sergeant Brian Pikton and SRL Brett Bryson who headed the event Thank you to the David Brillley High School faculty for
students police officers and fire BLS personnel who participate in the event And as always thank you to the Munipal Alliance for their support Starting this month you will see new shoulder patches and car decals on
our soldiers and vehicles We recently redesigned the P Kennard Police patch and vehicle decals This involves our officer's input which I guess is the reason Oh can you please we see it it was presented Here we go That's our new
patch The new patch Very nice Very nice We brought a we brought a little bit of history to that Original patch was a triangle So we reverted to go back with it This is obviously long Try to fit it in there We went with the elongated top
If you look at the patch you obviously glue the camera castle and uh little bit of the previous patches The flag is a baby blue which when I first got hired here we had those big baby blue patches So we tried to tie in a little bit of commerce history with those patches So
it involved uh involved my officers We had a contest and everybody voted Nobody else and uh it was uh actually was Sergeant Kra Lieutenant Grady actually his patch was one that selected Um we're trying to do some changes here and there
and uh that was a collaborative effort amongst everybody So that was a fun little thing to do just to see what everybody's ideas were Mhm Very nice Very very nice The patch for the best res Yeah All right Um a message from the chief resident
advised that the parking lot behind the Kennwood City Market 488 Boulevard is not a burrow municipal parking lot is privately owned The property owner has employed a towing company remove vehicles not using stores in that
complex from the lot So I guess yeah I mean I guess people can be confused Which store can I go in which one um the issue that we have here is that parking lot is in a prime location People use it to drop park there to drop
from school Uh residents use it to park uh overnight It's also used by several of the stores in that area A lot of restaurants over there don't have parking But uh that is a privatelyowned lot It' be like somebody parking in your
personal driveway The person that owns the lot has to maintain the lot He cuts and cleans it He's got guys out there we uh weed whacking the the the weeds Winter time comes he's paying for uh snow removal So he's got a lot invested in that So I understand he wants to make
sure that his his uh tenants tenants are represented and taking care of their there's parking for them Um I have received multiple calls from several of the companies uh should say storefronts that are not in that kind of camera village complaining
about this I advise them it would be in their best interest to try to come together as a whole speak with the owner on it maybe come with a financial agreement of some sorts where if they contributed to some of the maintenance of the property that they would allow him to stay But he's doing everything by
law by ordinance He has signs posted Uh I cannot say it uh enough I explain to people you can't just park there and go to I want to just name a restaurant but if you a restaurant on 20th Street and expect your car not to you know to be towed there's they sometimes they have
what they call us by He sits in the sits there He watches where you're going If you're not walking into the kettle market or walking over to Jimmy Buffs which is the connection of the Kennorth Village they see you walk into get your hair done or go getting a sandwich at one of those other places They will have
your car towed So um I'm doing everything I can to keep a lot of the people from exploding on this but we've been parking there for years but doesn't make it right Mhm Property owner that owns it has a right to to maintain his property and try to keep the parking
spaces available for his own tenants So I know a few people along the council have talked about possibly getting together with him trying to come to a compromise I do believe it's more of the responsibility of the storefront the store owners on that area to sit with him because I'm sure if they come
together with some financial if I own a restaurant there and I don't have parking I'm going to talk to the guy who has the parking is okay if I give you so much a month Yeah I think the problem is the rest the businesses that are part of that village
are complaining or were complaining to the landlord that their customers couldn't park and that's where it all started So I don't think they have enough parking really to share That's the issue And I don't blame them for saying "Listen if I'm paying if you were
the the landlord and I'm paying a few and you have this parking lot and my patrons can't patronize me because there's no parking because other people are parking there I'd have a problem with that right uh so I I think that's something that would be uh it's got to be an effort of everybody to come
together This happened probably 20 25 years ago Uh we had a similar issue They came to a compromise There's a new landlord now maybe and they come together and work together Hopefully they can you know make this make this work where people are just trying to drop kids off to go to school If the
storefronts are closed maybe they can work on some some sort of compromise Yeah But it's not a burrow issue It's not a police issue right so that's why I try to get people and a good place to park for especially picking up younger children is David Brley parking lot cuz
that's where I used to always park You can walk around the tennis courts the high school has already gone and there's always plenty of parking there So that's a great alternative You don't even have to cross any streets um for people picking up their kids I'm glad you said
that There's always going to be my next comment For those who are dropping off kids at Harding School uh I grew up here Uh I raised a family here I've never once parked anywhere I was supposed to I parked in the the Harding School street
curly parking lot walked up 18th Street and brought my kids There's a path right around the town It's like really nice to do that You just got to use your feet and walk That's a short-term solution because they're starting the middle school at the same time they're starting the
elementary school next year Have that luxury of there's no activity in that lot So that's another thing we're discussing Well that'll be another Are they getting out the same time the bells will they're getting out I think 5 minutes after the elementary So the middle school is going to have a different schedule It's going to be a slight stagger as
they start later and end later and then they come We're going to try to make it so the drop off isn't so congested So we have a full plate here This has always been an issue with drop offs with the school We're doing our best to try to keep the kids safe You know anybody's walking We're doing our best to keep the traffic to a minimum But if they have
the ability to park legally I stress legally and walk That would be the best interest for everybody It keeps everybody safe Of course Thank you Chief If you're dropping the kids off the school go as early as you can All those problems are not they're not in existence It's only within 5 minutes of
the bell You might get a little bet on the corner They tell you to leave But part of the problem is there's no time limit there So I went to the store Can I get my kids am I getting towed there's two more That's what we uh announced We got to meet with this guy
and say what he wants to do cuz you got you got a half hour parking You have to have something cuz that's where people getting caught in this nap So I went to the store and I went out the front and I went to pick up my kid All of a sudden I didn't get towed His businesses are going to be adversely affected So we
need to store cuz people like I'm not I'm not going there I'm I'm going to use it Austral if if he continues this That's what happened the last time Exactly Where people are just like I'm not going to deal with this They went other places
But if the town I don't like it's not a barrel issue but before that if you guys can come together and possibly have I I believe everybody should speak on their part and say what they need to say because what you said there isn't a time frame on there but what it comes out to
still comes on I don't see a time frame Is there a time but it's private problem I think it's just be told I don't think it says 30 minutes parking or 15inut parking signage is according to the burrow ordinance and if they're not I believe you have to have a time sub I believe it just comes down to it's a
private lot and it could be 5 minutes it could be half hour it could be two two hours who knows but that's something that could be negotiated with the uh business owner so hopefully uh the property owner and if that's something could be you know get in touch with I have a number if you want to call so
thank Thank you Uh lastly I want to mention um Chief I did see they erected the um mobile radar thing again on the west end near where I live at Eping I'm sorry They the radar
thing the the the mobile one That's the sign that says you're speeding And yes we have that out We'll see the mobile ones out I have several of them I like to try to deploy them out there especially this time of year The snow is no longer going to be a problem for us So you're going to see that we're trying to do everything we can to deter Peters
I have active uh aggressive driver uh details going on We're doing everything we can I I I feel a lot of calls I know you guys get calls I live in town I bump into people in the Acme They're speeding down my street I get it all the time We're doing everything we can to try to deter that type of behavior Those street
uh those uh speed signs that you see they're they're great Some of them will light up Yeah You know we have to catch your attention Yes You're doing 45 slow down Uh and in the very near future they already poured the foundation uh for the one permanent radar sign that's going to be on the west end So hopefully uh they
can get once the materials come in they'll be uh erecting that thing And hopefully in the next several months we can do the one on the other side At least the west end people will have a permanent radar sign so they can see hey I'm going too fast to slow down So I have my guys are doing what we can to try to we have a lot of guys that live
in Korth that work on this department that catch the same phone calls and you know people are I get it It is what it is but we do our best to try to be everywhere We can't be everywhere at once but we do our best and I think comparison to other towns like I said several months ago to be used as a
comparison for other towns to use as you know a pinnacle I think this is what Kenworth's doing that to me I took pride in that So it was nice to hear So we're doing what we can We can't make everybody happy but we'll try it Yeah that was going to be my next question When's the permanent ones uh uh that's
when the materials come in from the vendor Uh hopefully in the next few weeks I was anticipating it would be done by now but uh I believe uh Lieutenant Brady reached out to them and they their last uh correspondence was possibly another month when they once
everything comes in they'll put it up and then we'll have one there Then once the capital everything is unable to purchase the next one that will get uh erected in the very near future So thank you Thank you Anything else thank you That's it Thank you Councilman
Uh planning and zoning Councilman Scarice Thank you Mayor Uh I haven't received any reports It's midmon but we what's um there's a lot of action going on down at the um the new Nest property Onyx formerly Merk property and glad to
see that the planning board is um adding extra special meetings to keep this going We want we don't want to stall them cuz um I want to get them up and running And so we have um April 22nd there's a special meeting
on that Tuesday Um um May 15th May 27th um quarter weave is on the 15th and then starting um June 24th meetings will be moved to the fourth Tuesday of the month They've been Thursdays for years but now we're going to resource Yeah it says
fourth We're say last the last It's in May It's changing in May right last Tuesday The last Tuesday Yeah last Tuesday I read fourth last Thursday doesn't know Kim [Music]
Five said forth in the in the emails I didn't do the math Um and it's um that's all I have to report Okay Thank you Councilman Recreation and fire Councilman Piper Thank you mayor As you
know we had bad weather last weekend so the Easter egg hunt has been postponed till uh to this Saturday April 19th at 10:00 a.m Be sure to arrive no later than 9:45 in the morning to receive your hunt bag and get the designated hunt areas for the children Information has
been emailed and posted on Facebook as well as the burrow website Registrations are required for community pass Uh keep your eye out for upcoming crafts and summer events that will be emailed posted on the Kennorth Rec Facebook page as well as on the barber website Please
remember registration is required for all rec events programs and activities If you do not have community pass account please be sure to create one and register for in the no to get updates on all things that rep will have coming up That's all
I have today Thank you Councilman Health Education and Welfare Councilwoman Gordano Piso Thank you Mayor Uh the Senior Center has a special event Um and they're really focusing on
enlightenment for the Medicare Social Security a new ways of having to sign in and um get information sign up for Medicare or Social Security So they have a lot of outreach going on at the center
Uh they have one on April 23rd another one on April 28th Uh and there will be another one I'll remind everybody on May 27th where they have professionals coming in speaking with seniors and
explaining the new procedures um that have been put in place Aside from that there are your traditional arts and crafts ceramics lunch and learn Um so please call the senior center to get all the dates and times and that number is
[Music] 9082761716 The health department has completed its move up into Burough Hall and it's been working great as the burl uh clerk was saying residents are coming
in and there is now somebody there all the time to assist with whatever uh the needs may be Um so the building department is now where the health department was which gave them ample space for people coming in for various
things pertaining to uh building and zoning And the health department is located in Burough Hall Uh there were free COVID kits that were given to the senior center to be dispersed and uh there were three welfare checks and four
um inspections last month All the inspections came back satisfactory and uh thankfully the welfare checks all worked out um to be okay The next meeting is tomorrow night at 7 o'clock The library has its uh traditional array
of events for toddlers to adults I would say to call for specific times and dates and if registration is required and the number is 9082762451 And the last is the board of education I'll piggyback what
um um Joe was saying about the every 15 minutes It was the first time I saw the video last week and you could hear a pin drop in that auditorium It's very real It brings to light um the dangers of
driving when you're impaired and not just for the students I thought of myself as an adult You go out to dinner you have a couple of drinks whatever Think before you get behind the wheel Um but and you could see that video on YouTube So I encourage everybody to look
at it I had my staff look at it as soon as I got back Um it it's a a great a great collaboration between the EMS fire department police department the students and it really resonated um very
important There was also the budget meeting um that was aired for on March 18th I urge everybody to look at that It was very detailed very precise of where the board of ed is with their budget Um
talked about state aid and what was going to happen this year Unfortunately there was a reduction but it was somewhat offset by an increase in funding that came through the choice
program without having additional students enrolled we were um given additional funds through that program so it offset some of the reduction of the state aid Uh there is going to be
another budget meeting open to the public April 30th 700 p.m I urge everybody to go or at least go on and and look at the March 18th meeting It really um explains everything in very
clear detail of where we're at and uh that's all I have Thank you Councilwoman You're welcome Uh federal engineer Thank you mayor Uh just really two quick uh updates Um obviously the sidewalks in the front are pretty substantially
complete Nice Uh there's some punch list items they need to come back and do There's some cleanup stuff Uh they're going to do that when they come back and do the flag pole So they'll come back all at once and uh take care of everything in one shot Um last meeting was a question about the sidewalks on
Vernon Uh they've committed or told us they're going to have them done by the end of the month Great So that's next two weeks I mean it's an easy job It's probably it's like a one or two day job So uh once they're here it's not like they're going to be be out there for a long time So we just got to get them there And any news on the the the
sidewalks that have to be redone those bids are due next Thursday Okay So we'll know next Thursday where we stand So um there's been a lot of requests for bids Uh so you know we'll see Okay Um that's all I have I I have a question I noticed
all the benches are still not secured So the idea was we put them out there just to kind of see what they look like and then once everybody's happy with the position then we'll bolt them down So we did that intentionally just to kind of get a feel So we don't want to bolt them
and somebody says I really wanted it over 2 ft or whatever So you know once they're there for I'll check out the benches now meeting Yeah I would think that should be done before the street fair Yeah We again if everybody's good with them and no comments We want to
kind of see how they look get a feel and then they'll they'll bolt them down So that's okay Thank you Thank you Next one CFO [Music] Thank you Mayor Uh as council finance
chairman Morrow had mentioned uh the budget is submitted to the state We're waiting for their review Our public hearing is on the May 7th meeting and uh we're diligently working on the capital program for this year That's right Thank you Ken Yes
I had a question Um any idea when the county and uh say board ad whoever is going to lay their levy so we kind of know what we're dealing with or uh the board I believe will be adopting their budget at their April 30th meeting because usually they have to be done by then So
uh and I didn't get a chance to look at that meeting yet So I will try and do that And uh the county will probably be uh adopting the first week of May also just like us So uh the county will never release any information until their
budget's adopted I don't know why but that's just the way they've been forever So they like surprises So uh so by the end of May we'll know exactly what we're dealing with Yeah But they we won't get a tax rate I mean we'll all have our budgets adopted
hopefully and uh but we have to wait till the state adopts their budget for the county tax administrator to strike the tax rate for the barrel So but from once I get all the final numbers we'll be within a hundth of a penny So we'll have a very strong idea of where we are
then So Okay Thank you Ken Thank you Thank you attorney Um so just one thing Um earlier today the uh was actually that dovetailed to affordable housing although I'm not going to get into the weeds So I'm not affordable housing
council but earlier today the affordable housing subcommittee uh met as part of the uh affordable housing process by June 30th Towns are supposed to adopt their fourth round housing element fair share plan Um the bureaus's affordable
housing council did submit a motion request to extend that deadline by 60 days which the statute permits um if it's granted that'll provide more time to draft the plan If it's not um Mike Mreda from Harbor who's the the
burough's consultant planner on this um as well as well as Eric Nolan from the Serenian law firm are in position to continue to prepare the plan with input from the subcommittee Um I don't like I said I don't want to get into the weeds of what was discussed and what will go on but generally
between now and June 30th Um the plan will be prepared um which will take into account [Music] whatever mechanisms are available to limit the impact of what needs to be done to be uh legally compliant while also you know maintaining uh sound
planning and and things that planners have to keep in mind when they're putting together these plans Um between now and June 30th the planning board has to adopt the plan and then the governing body has to endorse it Um so there's some moving parts between now and then although I think the governing body's
June meeting is June 18th from what we discussed earlier or thereabouts which that will probably be fine There might be some planning board machination of moving dates to make sure that timing lines up Um but that's really where we are in the process Um the affordable
housing subcommittee will meet to kind of continue to meet to discuss um you know provide feedback on the plan formulation how the plan should look before it's then presented and and can be analyzed and looked at and to see if that's the way the burough wants to move
forward Um so that's a little update on that I don't like I said um yeah nothing else to say Okay Thank you uh burrow administrator uh the Union County Board of Commissioners announced the capital
grant opportunity I met with the CFO uh the engineer as well as the DBW superintendent and we were just brainstorming different ideas because it has a very quick turnaround time This grant is um there's no matching funds required and it has to be fully expended
by September 30th of next year Um we have to hit the ground running on this right now Uh Greg I believe is waiting for a few more quotes to come in just to kind of firm up some numbers for us but we expect to have that in by the
deadline We also met for the street fair We had a pre-event planning meeting Street fair we've been doing this for a number of years I don't want to say it runs itself but uh it it everybody knows what they're supposed to do what's expected of them There's a few things
pending Um the board of ed met I'm just waiting to hear from them confirming that we can use the property But otherwise uh we're doing pretty good there Unfortunately Union County normally we use their band stand They weren't able to provide it to us this year They had already promised it
to another community but our friends over in Union were able to uh accommodate us So shout out to Union Thank you guys for that And um I'm going to be Councilman Finola to the bunch and wish everybody a happy Easter
[Applause] Thank you I'm sure you'll come out Right there Now uh next for council consideration is the consent agenda consisting of resolution 25-114 through
25-120 Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda second Motion made by Councilman Bole seconded by Councilwoman Gardano Perno Roll call Resolutions 25114 through 25120 have been approved by one motion All items will be recorded
individually in full in the minutes Councilman Bole yes Councilman Finella yes Counciloman Garerno yes Councilman Mororrow yes Councilman Piper yes And Councilman Scurries yes Motion passes Next up for uh Next up for the public is the public hearing and adoption of
ordinance 2025-3 ordinance amending chapter 15 departmental structure sections 15-2 police department table of organizations Okay The purpose of this ordinance is to amend the police department's table of organization Is there a motion to open
the floor for public comments on this ordinance only motion second Motion made by Councilman Mororrow seconded by Councilman Benestrella Does anyone have anything to say for the good and well-being of
Kennelorth i'm sorry for this on this anything to say on this ordinance and this ordinance only Please come forward and state your name and address the [Music] track Okay seeing no one is there a motion to close the floor for public
discussion on this ordinance only motion second Motion made by Councilman Ski seconded by Councilman Mora Roll call Motion Sorry Is there a motion to adopt ordinance 2025-03
motion second Motion made by council memorial Seconded by Councilman Finstrol Did I get that right okay Roll call Councilman Bole Yes Councilman Finella Yes Council Grio Yes Councilman Roy Yes Councilman Piper Yes And Councilman Scurryies yes Motion passes
Okay Is there a motion to open the floor for public discussion motion Second Motion made by Councilman uh Morrow seconded by Councilman Scur All in favor i Okay Now does anyone have anything to say for the good and wellbeing of the barrel please come forward and state
your name and address Hi we're in Kubac 47 South 18 Street Hello Hi How are you good How are you um first of all I want to say that we're very very happy at the senior center Awesome With Shirley She is a complete
turnaround from what we had before And we just want you to know that we think she's doing above and beyond her job That's Shirley Everything Shirley does is above and beyond She's she's wonderful Yeah I agree The second thing I want to talk
about is the parking lot behind the senior center A lot of people tenants from the side streets are parked there overnight I went there this morning at 9:30 There was no place to park
Um there used to be a sign that said there was limited parking time there Wasn't there no overnight parking in that lot at some point in the future i I mean in the past I think in the past there was a no overnight Well there was a sign that was like I think limited to
two or three or three or four hour parking that was taken down when they paved the parking lot I don't know why or whatever but um I know I go to the foot doctor next door He says he comes there sometimes five o'clock in the
morning and parking lots fall So I think we have to look into this De definitely because it's um you know the senior with Charlie there she's running so many more functions and there's no place to park
Well parking is a problem Um is is there no is there parking allowed overnight in the municipal lot does anyone know was anyone aware of that yes and no That's been an ongoing thing I think we have to review that I think we should uh maybe the public
safety committee can meet and discuss this together because there's supposed to be 2:00 on I believe some of them have it where you're not supposed to park in the middle of the lock I can tell you a question from the BFW They say from 2:00 on in the evening
you're not supposed to park there Over the years uh you mean 2 a.m Yeah I was thinking for that particular we're discussing now has been an ongoing thing for many years Depends on where we are up here what we
allowed to enforce because certain people were using certain certain spots So if we can come together as a police committee and we have a chance to discuss it yeah I think it should be visited do I have no problem enforcing at 2:00 Uh no parking in that lot And
that's a very simple thing for me to do I can What would it be 2 to what though uh 2 to 6 I believe it is I think it's 2 I have to double checks because I believe it's 2:00 a.m to 6 uh to 6 a.m Is that a lot of uh what happens is because
Yes Which reminds you pull up the ordinance right yeah I got it Try to pull it up No person shall park a vehicle or a parking lot number one aka or behind senior center for more than two consecutive hours between the hours of 7 a.m and 7:00 p.m Monday
through Friday That's for discussing overnight right so we already have an ordinance that says after 7 it's 2 hours but then after 7:00 p.m I guess from 7:00 p.m to 7:00 a.m there is it's not discussed I guess for
that particular uh the next the only one that says you can't park overnight disappear allowed and that's only between 2 a.m and 5:30 a.m All right So then police committee can um not after 2 a.m the police committee can
uh meet perhaps and discuss this Well if we have it already and it's a municipal lot why don't we just put get a sign and put it up clear cuz like they're saying it's very clear W it's somewhat ambiguous for after 7 you have no regulation Does it mean you can't park
or does it mean there's no reg to me it means you can park I would say you can park I think the big thing is the overnight Yeah I agree But it's not clear that the after 7 but doesn't mean I can't park at all It doesn't really say that So I don't
force that The issue that we found I've been here 27 years and over the years there used to be all across the board that things have changed for some specific lots So like the signs on the library right i know I know Yeah The
library the library people park in the senior lot I know that's because because there's no place to park if they don't park there lot there parking is a problem everywhere I understand what you're saying but I know the lot specifically behind the seniors uh that
has been changed because otherwise it wouldn't have been noted in that ordinance that that lot according to middleman is model one which is be a double would have the same rules Um the signs did come down I don't know if they're back up but also let's keep in mind that the ordinance I know that but
the ordinance does specify specific spots in that lot because we only own specific spots We would have to to to say complies the ordinance We would have to physically number those spots on the pavement and
then post the signs in court in in conjunction with the ordinance like has ordinances written We own all the spots in there We actually went through this because we're going to rest What spots so wait a minute The doesn't own all the spots We own all the spots
in the lot There's private property that we don't own And understood So we can't lock down the thing about the new fish store They can't be landlords There's yellow striped parking back there That is private property I understand what you're saying Then you have the foot
doctor where that that is now All all the white stripes are borrowed Um and we have to restripe it Now if I was just going to suggest I think let's get the lot restriped first and then we can introduce what we're looking to do If we're going to get the lottery strike
then if we have to remember the uh spots if we have to then we can come forward with very solid inspect It's I'm sorry I misspoke They're referring to lots in a block So actual property not spaces like people's houses
like lot block number That's actually what they're referring to I misspoke I apologize Okay So we're going to get a strike done So why don't we start so we can do this properly So back and forth every other we we could
do it in parallel I mean you probably might do it before you restri well if we have the fans we should Yeah we do it I actually have them on me right here and I want to let you know we we're actually going to restripe that parking lot back there because there's
dumpsters that are taking up spots see them There are uh businesses that have reserved spots for themselves on burough property that they can't do that and it actually takes away from people going to the senior center and for the businesses over there Tony Tony had restriped it all I think what did we get about four
new spots and then three new handicap spots So uh there's going to be more handicap reserve parking and then we're going to have more parking overall from just the resting that we're going to do So it's an additional seven spaces I don't know the exact number I spots I
think it was six or seven It was there was a lot Plans right here There it is Here it is Handicap just by the way I think you got 11 Oh well let's see Um that's huge
11 That's huge Yeah 11 spots So I I definitely agree If we're going to do this we do at the same time cuz I wasn't sure if we actually had counting Now you're saying the problem is the overnight parking that's only going to be applied to residents You're saying residents
parking in a lot because there's no street parking lot taken up to you guys as council How you going to decide to do that that particular lot is right in the middle of a multif family Yep You got 21st Street and 22nd Street They have a
lot of Well somebody works from home for 3 days That car might not move That car might not move Right So I would defer to you guys How do you feel about it i mean I think it should be addressed At least the conversation should happen Would you get on those spots council they get six with three handicaps So
that's excellent Nine spots That's That's it That's the excellent And then reserve spots for the dumpsters So they're not taking up parking spots anymore Right Excellent Could I could I um bring up again the side of the um rec center that
parking i I mean remember we talked about Were you here or was it Chris i think it was you last meeting the way it's patched up and it's never been cleaned and it should be striped because now we have the construction
department down there and in the summer we're going to have summer camp and all of those spots need to be defined and a sign up there It's a very tiny sign and that patching he has like a hump Yeah it doesn't it's really it looks terrible
We're handing over Oh Moren Oh wait Where's What was that thank you Moren Were you I'm sorry Moren Were you done let's Let's Let's wait for after the public discussion and then I'm sorry Yes No I I'm done As long as
something Okay we're going to look into it We're going to the committee's going to meet and and have conversation about this and report back Anyone else from the public have anything to say okay seeing no one I'd like a motion to close the floor for public discussion
Motion second Motion by Councilman Fenrol seconded by Councilman Scurice All in favor i Okay Now general business that we'd like to discuss Let's talk about the side of the center I I I know you're you're saying about
capital but the way they patched it I think that's unacceptable They're coming back to fix the patch That's one of the things we have It's like a big hump and the stansions are all pulled up and whatnot but the parking lot itself needs
to be redone or or at least fixed up Yeah I think it should just be should be resurfaced It does need to be defined It's got to be something this year you know we didn't wasn't something was in the capital budget Well maybe we
can get it in the capital budget if you can get some estimates over to Ken Give me an estimate so we can see that I mean we've done this and then maybe we can get some more spots over there too Who knows right That's what I'm thinking I mean we we did the whole front Let's take it around the side and really clean
it up Well that's that's another thing It's been brought to my attention that a lot of people that have been uh patronized some of the businesses over there have been parking over here So trying to get a bagel on the Saturday Forget that Well at least Bur Hole is not open at that time But when you have Burough Hole
is open um I I have my guys I personally walk over there I'm taking plates down making sure that this burrow officials that are that are parking those spots So we're trying to make sure those spots are stay open Uh we are limited to parking in the rear headquarters
Everybody's aware of this So yes I do have a couple of police people parked there Um you know it is what it is I mean at this point parking is everybody's it's the problem that every single municipality yes everybody's experiencing the same
issues parking is it right parking but as long as we don't have a parking deck like the town to the south of us they're we don't want a parking deck oh man we don't really have anywhere to put a parking deck it's a monstrosity
before they can put those tops of the market You got jokes you know going back to parking and even school Everyone used to walk to school Now everyone driven to school So that's a whole social change that why is
just so much worse U nobody walks to school It seems from one part If I just recently had somebody complain about uh similar uh issues problem is every day something changes The weather affects the the flow of uh the flow of traffic
in front of the school in Los Angeles as well If a garbage truck is doing their job people are complaining blocking congested garbage truck They're doing their job I mean unfortunately there are things that are going to take place every day Everybody's too busy Everybody's in such a rush And you're
right nobody walks to school tonight Everybody's got the mom and dad dropping them off They got to make sure they get out have the book bag on I love your kids and all that stuff I love that stuff too But you know a lot of us have park and we walk And most of us that do that don't complain We're not the
competitors The ones that are ones that are late running late for school because they're they're behind the child was not ready Then they're getting into this long line and they're the ones who are complaining We're doing what we can That's controlled chaos out there Every
town in New Jersey every town in the country has this similar issues Just maybe the middle school entrance will actually help because it'll divert some There isn't but but it'll be a drop and go You're not going to put your kids
back on It's not it's not going to be utilized at all So where are they going to be dropped off dropped off That's what they're trying in school uh parking lot and then they're going to walk how they can they're going to walk around So the way
I understand this is that the the entrance that they're redoing will have a branch in in the inside So the middle schools go to the left the high schools go to the right I don't know that might be clipped That's how they're going to separate them There's no middle school There's a annex that's been built So now
there's room for the middle school to be on the second floor and the high school to be on the first I also might have that mixed up So that's how they're going to separate the kids in the school But there there won't be a separate school There won't be separate entrances Okay It's all going to be the way it is now Okay Good Because that little tiny
[Music] part for the most when I saw that I approached uh the school board Uh you know I said "Are we dropping off?" That's just going to be a a mess I'm wondering if it's a truck route
I mean it could only be one way in one way out and this No left turn into into there I think Superintendent Davies has a really sharp head on his shoulders looking at all these things I know he's
in conversations with you as well He's trying very hard to get this right uh before school opens next year Well are the are they getting out at the same time or are they staggered staggering that as well They are Is that staggered now or it's going to be staggered stagger I think the high school might
get out a few minutes earlier than the middle school but stagger maybe a little more So everyone's coming out Well they share a lot of the same teachers and things like that So they're not have to be on the same bus uh bell schedule at least Harding maybe earlier because of
the older kids coming to pick up the younger siblings Okay So older ones get out first All right This is um I have one more thing Yeah Let's get back to the barrel cath The issue with the single camera here I was looking at other meetings
that are recorded one in particular our planning board and there's a second camera So when people approach they're able to be videoed and viewed But aside from that like you guys are standing there talking you're out of view All you see right and people are
you're talking to everyone at home's back I thought about that I was actually going to ask the chief really looks to turn around and talk speak at the camera Well if you're not right up here like you can't even see Tony You see from the first bench us and that's it You don't
see Ken Tony or There was a time where we did have a second camera I think it became a cost issue That's exactly um that it was changed How about how about we be a little more radical why do why do we need to record the meetings with technology like
Facebook doing live uh streaming and everything uh if it's legal why do why pay for this anymore we have that new owl camera It looks like an owl Laura I don't know what it's actually called It's an owl It's called Okay it looks like an owl It is an owl And it's supposed to be able to pan the room and
capture whoever's speaking So um I think we should look at this We're going to look at it We should probably look at this as a cost savings measure not an increased expense measure And I think we already bought the technology that could do it for us So it would be streamed on
YouTube and on Facebook Yeah Well streaming Well if cuz if that would be really great if it could be but it has to be I think on both not just Facebook Well maybe the law department can weigh in on this one Like where do we have to
post these things well it would be nice I'm not talking about the law I'm talking about people that are not on Facebook should still be able to access the media Yeah Even when you look at I'm not sure you have to be on Facebook to watch a live stream of a public event You go to
facebook.com You don't have Oh is there you don't have to log the best I think work But I the point I'm trying to make we should think of this in a cost savings approach not actually just added cameras cuz we did just buy that owl thing I mean it's a pretty cool piece of technology Um it even translates right
for into the captioning and all that What it has to be done even the board of ed when you get up at the podium you see whoever is speaking very clearly you could see the the audience like you get
those different views Our meetings are the only ones that all you see is us right here Well we should get a table next to you guys Where's the board view where's the camera i don't know There's no way in the ceiling I have to ask Now it's on
it's on a tripod We have used it for some of the meetings that we've had Um so some of the council has seen it in operations where I've used it in the conference room and we've held Zoom meetings and um yeah we have one here and it does a panoramic of the room as
well as of whoever's attending virtually the uh I wanted to do a trial run with it today as a matter of fact just to see how it would work um not just on the smart TV but here in in this setting The problem is Zoom went down Zoom servers
were were down this afternoon sometime I don't know exactly when they went down because we did have our meeting this morning and it was functioning fine at that point but I had a county meeting as well this afternoon that I was supposed to be chairing and we couldn't get Zoom up the uh and it wasn't just here cuz at
first I'm thinking well maybe it's our servers we're having an issue but it's not it was the Zoom servers that's the only place I was going to say that well you have to keep minutes of it if you don't there's no magic way you can choose YouTube
Facebook it doesn't really matter And if people are not participating in that way if it's just to show it to them you know if it goes down it's not the end of the world You know the meeting can still proceed even though you just have because Yeah you could just keep it that way It's really just as time is
modernized the ability to get the public to be involved and to show them what's going on right but there's no as long as you're keeping the records of the the minutes of the meeting that's that's really it We have the tools and it's a better way for the public to be engaged Yeah I think it's great We should
explore it Definitely Absolutely I imagine Laura I could try doing another trial run as long as the Zoom server's up We could do that the next meeting Let's check it out Sure Yeah It only uses Zoom I guess you're saying Yeah So where
where would the meetings be saved for people to be able to go into Zoom it can be live streamed or it can just be downloaded and I can post it to our YouTube channel like we do now Okay that's great Awesome Okay I like that [Music]
Oh I didn't have anything else I was just going to suggest two things that nobody mentioned Um one of those holidays that gets quickly forgotten when I told him and I've worked you've been googling at Good
Friday My boss says you're off Joe Even though the market's closed you're off Don't work So happy Good Friday Hopefully everybody has off And between now and our next meeting is Cinco de Mayo So happy single deco Yeah really You're right Joe Happy
birthday Thank you You're right Joe Cinco it was 2 days before our next meeting and happy Easter to everyone Yes Happy Easter to me I want to add one more thing because I you guys will probably see the bill So if you guys have questions I want to get ahead of it Um
I'm going to be doing a new program as far as like as like a health aspect We're hiring a company uh Garden State Bins They're going to clean our our borrow trash cans for us at a very very reasonable rate and our garbage trucks do Great Um we're going to be doing this
as a monthly service and the first run is going to be right before the street fair So he takes out the inserts bags takes out the inserts steam steam cleans them Awesome Cleans the ground around it Bags it all up Garbage is gone No residual food waste stuck to the cans or
anything like that Good It's so nasty in the Hey did you ever find out the secret dumper yeah I was just going to ask our meeting So he he really for us on this one I think him warning everyone in that area
I think he kind of slowly So hopefully it stops The mad dumpers on every every Monday [Music] Well that's good The trucks will look nice for the street fair Yeah I look at
it from a healthy because it's it's food It just attracts insects and animals rodents So we keep it clean and we keep them away And a quick review of this I'm sure it's just a draft or did it get official no that's that's not a draft
That's fine All right Well mattresses must be placed in a mattress instead of need And I wonder what the price of $16.98 They're going to bring us to Home Depot and say "Hey $16.98 not $25." You know the US number on the
website to ask the price Believe it or not people will do that They will say "Hey my dentist Where is this made?" That's another health reason why we're doing that because you don't know what's in them Okay Yes absolutely Yeah When
you pick it up Yeah that's I love that idea When I saw that I'm like excellent Sorry didn't you just put money in there i wish But the word must have got the idea from um from uh London I um had a good relationship with the guy who runs
Sandy Farm there and he said one of his guys got contracted with lice from picking up a mattress Mhm So that was uh that was one of the reasons what sparked that conversation That makes sense And I came up with that Yeah Bugs and
license So good idea Absolutely When they wash the truck when they wash your truck is it ceramic coat on it or what kind of you going to put a ceramic coat on those trucks or [Music]
spoiler just want to give you guys a heads up Thank you Thanks Thank you Any other discussion items Nope Well we have executive session or is that just on there we don't have executive session Okay No need Um it
says flag Oh we have to we have to address the flag pole The whole issue with this right oh that's on there I thought it was going in We bought it The footing's in Laura had some other ideas that maybe we
should we are able to return it We do not have to keep But you don't get all the money back There's a restocking We We've opened Pandora's box and I think we should Why it doesn't mean because you have you could have 10 flag polls doesn't mean you have to fly Well listen I think there must be we
already discuss I thought the discussion was whether or not we were going to fly flags Uh other than the American flag this is part of the streetscape Um it was paid for Footings have already
been put in We appreciate all that but we don't have to pay as much And I think everybody is talking about how it's been paid for but we can return it and pay a small restocking fee and not have weren't the footings already put in the ground So then that's fine We'll just do it Well listen I am in favor of keeping
the streetscape the way it's supposed to be We don't know in the future The um the way this the the whole front of the barrel hole has been redesigned If you don't want to fly certain flags I that's
fine Um we can I know that the committee was working on that the flag committee but I don't think we should change and take away that opportunity in the future And we don't know what's going on in the future Sure Well we can put a new Kennorth municipal
flag up which would actually be very nice A New Jersey flag Well we have the two flags The one was for this the US uh flag and and the P flag underneath it The Fle P So you're saying just a municipal flag
well we can put another flag pole to try to make a decision on what goes on the flag pole No we have two flags that we want to fly The third one is now just optional I think that's how we're all talking about this Let's remove the debate Why do we need a third flag pole it was part of the design It wasn't a
debate Problems with the design in the first place cuz I don't actually remember voting on it and if it was happening and we're spending all this money on it We need resolutions just to you know go up the stairs We didn't do a resolution for the cityscape from what I'm I'm uh aware of So who made that
decision first off that we were going to have three flag poles because now we're trying to get in front of a decision that I don't even know who made So if we're going to talk about it was done because it was done Well who did it i mean of the design Yeah So when did we
vote on on the final plans do you know the year maybe I wasn't on council at the time This was this was designed way back when back to a committee four or five years ago I wasn't on but I think we've we've created a situation where
we've opened up Pandora's box If a hate group comes to us and says "I want my flag flying." Well Dustin I think it matters Wait a second Wait a second I think Dustin but we this came up before and correct me if I'm wrong but you said that if it was a hate group we could
justifiably because it's a hate group say no There there's very limited So let me just start What you can do is you can have a time place and manner restriction So you can't pick out individualized groups but certain hate speech if it crosses a line there's things that you
don't have to permit But you could just say that the flag pole is a municipal flag pole for a municipal flag Correct Not you only get I don't want to say run into a problem but you only open up the doors when you open up what's called a public forum Whether it's a limited
public forum like a library is limited public forum It's public but you're not there to have a concert You're to read or public forum a place where you could express your ideas If the government decides they're not going to open up a public forum So the flag pole is just to fly the flag of Kennallorth or you know
some municip municipal a state whatever flag then that's fine It's not a public forum at that point is when you open it up to the public and you're saying "We're going to put flag polls of members of the public on here." You can't then pick and choose The only thing you could do at that point is to
say "We're going to fly a flag you know between 7:00 a.m and 7:00 p.m only on weekdays Time place and matter." So like I said by solely by putting it up as long as the bureau decides it's just a has a municipal flag or state flag in
New Jersey you're not opening it up to the public at all And so you don't you don't go down that road I understand that I guess the way I'm thinking about this being proactive in not having the poll you don't have to have the discussion about whose flag can go on
the poll There's no poll there Right So so you could come up by you're going to come and go here This this flag pole is going to be here for generations So you're making a decision for your what you want what you want to see and not I
think the we decided to put this poll in The footings are already there We have the poll So who knows what's coming down in the future In fact we are all elected here because the public thought we should be here to make decision Correct Correct So to say that but this wait a
second but this was voted on already Councilman to say the decisions we will make will be more lasting than we would is a good thing for our democracy Correct However this decision was voted on by a governing body that's still now it's still in flight and if there's an
opportunity to have the debate again we owe it to the public to have this debate again cuz I don't want to see hate flags thrown and if we're going the attorney made it very clear that while I'm speaking you have to let me finish If you're going to say that an opinion is
what is going to determine the hate group your opinion is going to be different than the person sitting next to you and that's fine The courts need to come down and say what's a hate group You need to have a perfect storm of what you've said to have a hate group So there could be groups that you don't agree with and I don't agree with that
we would have to let fly the flag So that's what I'm saying No I'm saying you don't but we don't have a situ attorney We don't have a situation right now where we've eliminated the what you're saying We've got a situation right now where we've let groups fly the flag So
So let me ask let me just ask you would flag you're saying Dustin we have used we have flown the pride flag So let's say another a hate group comes Would we be open because we allowed the pride flag would we be open to that hate group
having to put their flag on it was just a flag that had their insignia It was whatever just whatever it said just insignia will probably be okay But if it's some if it says something defamatory or if it says something that's inflammatory like I'm going to I can't say anything you
know I'm going to kill a certain you know group of people that you couldn't do up there But if it was just a you know someone's insignia you know presumably yes So what about a Confederate flag somebody says "Hey you know I'm from the South." That I believe I don't know that
for a fact but I believe that's something that the courts have said crosses the line But I I don't know that for a fact I don't want to you know but I believe from things at least in certain situations Now if you go to southern certain other states that's not always the case but it's also not on
governmental property So that's why I would hedge my bets and say what I said there on I'm saying that if we have an opportunity to eliminate because it's polarizing everything out there uh this conversation is polarizing in and of
itself Um we don't want to encroach on these types of or approach these kinds of conversations in the future My thought is to take the poll away We passed the ordinance about we supply state flags municipal flags flags state or municipal flags But
now we don't have a poll for the future polarization But Bill think about it The issue started with even do we allow something under the main flag pole where we fly where actually the chief does not agree
with that So no So maybe we use a third pole for the W come up even with that one there So to say "Oh let's take all flag poles down." So it can what I'm suggesting laws on
how the US I agree So we're already not we actually need the third flag pole to put up the P flag then Am I right america Yeah that's not true So that is we can have the P flag underneath the American flag What is allowed under the
American flag i believe just the P Just the P flag is the only thing that should the only flag Okay I believe under certain circumstances you may be able to fly your state flag underneath that but those are the only two flags that under this flag Okay So I'm just saying to
take the the debate away of the polarization that will come from any group's flag that goes up We just don't need it We don't have a third flag pole The conversation came when nobody even knew we were going to have a third plan They were they were looking inviting it
to just continue This is what I'm trying to say And uh granted to your point Mayor Carlo we don't outlive everything but if you don't have a poll this is one way that we can ensure that we're only going to fly the municipal Well you can ensure it and someone else another
governing body can install a pole They could It's a It's a bit more work if you will than just stroke of a pen passing an ordinance to undo what we might do So that's what I'm trying to say I'm not trying to lock anything in I'm being reasonable here and trying to think into
the future a little bit And if we don't have to spend the money we can get a little bit back We're not we're not spend money going out There is money It's not putting in Yeah Okay If you tell me that I could spend 80 cents or a
dollar I'm going to spend 80 cents So that's what we're But it's already done It's already budgeted No it's done The footing's in and the pole is in The pole can be returned We can And you're going to lose money So you're spending money in the long run You have to send it back
and 80 cents If I can return it and get my 80 cents back then I I'm up 80 cents And what about the money you spend putting that footing in that wasn't a couple of thousand But you to your point it was already budgeted I'm saying that we could because it was part of the
overall design We could debate this for a while I I think the way I'm trying We have to know by overall you'll looks like obviously we're not ready to make this call How much time is there to even think about it cuz it seemed like this guy sprung like "Oh it's already here." He's like "Oh well I'm sure the
contractor can finish their job and get paid." Well I mean we got to make a decision already told her no right to hanging the flag when she came in Are we going to have anybody hang it yeah that's for saving any bit of money we can I mean if it's going to save money I
don't want to tell her to put up a flag Oh sorry Sorry Nothing I don't know how much money we've been talking about But is there a way that we're But my understanding is the school uh also has the same policy They only fly their flags like the government flags and
that's it Uh before all this happened I was actually had Mark looking into it cuz I know other a lot of other municipalities had done that and then um now this all came to a head But before this we were look I was having Mark look into it because I know Clark
did actually a couple years ago and and like I said her our school did So my concern is litigation and you may win in court you still lose cuz you got to pay for defense So um if there was a way to like you said we we're just going to fly
out if you want to put your camera flag on but that's it We're not going to be able to get into this There's hundreds of flags There's a flag for every cancer There's that and we can fly We can fly the counter flag and that's it I don't want to get into picking and choosing because eventually
it's going to be a problem Someone's going to make an issue Someone's going to make an issue We're all the same about what you should fly I Let's start there right because there is bipartisanship here We're all in agreement that official flags are what
we should fly at the official Kennorth I think we've all gotten there Now the question really is if there is going to be a third flag pole what do we put on it or do we not go to a third flag pole and I think that's that's kind of where I think we should fly the camera
How much are we going to have there's going to be a uh between the restocking fee and to have them uh take the footing back out probably about $2,000 that we would have to have to eat Yeah that's a lot of money But how much
do we So okay $2,000 because of the extra work and the restocking fee How much is the flag pole flag pole is about $5,000 So we're saving $3,000 There's the way I'm looking at this I'm not looking at this as us eating $2,000 We would finish the
project $3,000 less than budget That's how I hear this You're losing 2,000 You're spinning what's happening and you're changing something that was designed [Music] How close are they to complete it looks
like they're pretty close Well the footings in I mean every footing's in hole is bought It needs to go in the hole We would get $3,000 less expense on the project overall if we don't put the flag pole up
where we sit Have you Tony 2 months ago 5,000 My question is do we have to make a decision tonight or we got time to debate this beyond tonight if we don't we have to stay and figure it out It's on hold but you know we'd have to close out the job I mean we have to make a
decision either install it or not install it I don't think we want to hold off another two weeks because we got to close the job Um so yeah it's not fair to the contractor Yeah they're not going to hold the pole forever So we got to figure it out tonight
So it's like finish Well I'd like to see the project go forward as a flag If we do a third flag pole I would You got to pass ordinance or something cuz that is just these flags municipal camera flag and nobody else's flag That's government
flag Just the government flags I could compromise on that I agree I agree with that Then we'll have to have ordinance and um like I said Mark was already looking into I don't know if he has it ready to go I I don't know Mark already did one sound like you know if he just copied that I mean it's
like I said it's just you're not you just the governing body decides they're not going to open up the third flag as they called before you very looking at it but that's it So that's which is acceptable I've said my piece I think you've all said something very true Greg
you just can't clean the garbage cans or something We'll have three I'm just joking All right So let's uh let's get a vote of moving forward with the flag pole but but limiting it only to it will not be open to the public Well that has to be a
an ordinance that we'll make Right Right I'm just saying I just want to get a sense of where the governing body is right now Doug I feel like I think that we should designate it for a specific just just for government You're okay
with the president with restrictions Poll with restrictions Poll with restrictions I guess we're you're no poll I want to take budgets as seriously as possible So I'm going to say no poll for that reason Okay Tony Definitely I'm I'm in favor of the poll
No I definitely do not agree with council [Music] Poll with with restriction I can live with a polar restriction without restrictions Me too
Sorry I have a popular opinion All right So we're doing the poll but we will have we will talk with uh our bureau attorney who will uh write up an ordinance that it is not for public use Okay
$5,000 already has picked out right i did We do have a draft of a design of what we have here The only difference is it's the updated on that flag So what's the
difference of that so the only difference is the wording that's on there will not be on the new flag and the um seal that's in the center will be the current seal that we use So our flags very nice It's not going to have the gold fringe It's not going to have
the wording It'll just be our most recent updated um and it mimics the new patch on it does police department give us a view to redesign
Oh wow That's a good idea Give him a boat That's a good idea Oh design 250th anniversary I think that'll be fun There you little sweetie you actually
Okay So anything else to be brought before the barrels does anyone have anything else they'd like to do one last thing I like um living near the business district and stuff Any stuff been sitting there um I guess you can call a point I would
like to see businesses there not just housing is we want in the center of town Right across from K Market there's that building there used to be the gas station What I want to see I mean we talked about having a a vibrant downtown If we put housing there it's there's no
business Is there is there a project for housing there do you know something i don't know about it Could be But but what I'm saying is we'd have to change the zoning I don't think it's zoned for uh what you're trying to do with two stores downstairs or something and then three Well I think apartments are
already apartments are already allowed if you're going to on top of stores Yeah they are Um that's what I'm saying Like we're going to add businesses and then maybe something on top Well listen I'd like to see something there It's a
pollated piece of property right now lights So I like the drive-through Duncan but then right next to it that's business area We're just putting housing So I'm like that would have been a good opportunity for some other business maybe Well we already know I know but I'm just saying a uh a 17-year vacant
strip mall I think it's 17 years that outside of the Chinese restaurant and a few flight by night places in and out All right Well we'll take those uh those weren't our decisions to make Um Yeah I know I just thought Yeah Does anyone
else I wish everyone here a happy Easter I think we had a good meeting tonight and um we worked well together and we don't always agree but we respect each other and I think that's great Um and I hope you all have a wonderful uh Easter
and a happy Cinco de Mayo and um and a margarita and Cinco de Mayo Okay if there's nothing else to be before the burl I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn Motion second Motion made by councilman scari seconded by councilwoman Persona Thank you everyone
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