##VIDEO ID:0vjjhQ4H8EU## okay here we go I'm making this announcement in compliance with the open public meeting act being chapter 231 Public Law 1975 laws of the state of New Jersey the planning board secretary has prepared a schedule of the meeting for the planning board of the burrow of Kenworth for the year 2025 and has posted a true copy of this schedule on on the bulletin board located at the front entrance of burrow Hall and has mail true copies of this schedule to the local Source Star Ledger and his maintaining a copy of schedule in bar Hall accordingly to notice that the requirements of the open public meetings act have been satisfied in regards to this meeting can we stand for Pledge of Allegiance please I pledge Ali to the flag of the United States of America and to the repblic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with Justice call Mr berera here Mr here Mr David here Mr pantina here Mr maio here Mr legi here Mr DeLuca here Mr galdi here is there a motion for the approval of the November 14th and December 12th minutes motion made by Mr D uh Mr DeLuca second by Mr David all in favor okay uh Communications C no communication ch seems like we're going to roll right along hopefully application number 22-4 minus subdivision Block 17 L 20 who do we have Natasha M on behalf of the applicant for holders thank you Natasha just one second we need to uh swear in our professionals why don't we swear Kevin and okay uh Christian and gentleman with regard to this application uh do to swear that the testimony you may give be the truth I I do okay and Natasha you said you have Mr bie back from first time B okay you you'll you'll still be under Ro when you testify thank you okay before I start I have a new exhibit um that I would like to distribute okay we're going to mark that what uh a it's A1 that's A1 that's your first exhibit right Natasha yes okay the two page and for the record from Tosh just indicate what it is and who prepared it it is um a revised grading plan and detailed sheet prepared by um eka Associates and am I correct in saying that uh our Consultants have not yet looked at this uh not probably not in detail we did send an email earlier today and it was dropped off to big size for the professional for [Music] the is Mark exhibit a A1 [Music] yeah yeah [Music] that okay so the revised plans um that the revised grading sheet that's in front of you um is some changes that were made after this January 2nd submission and takes into consideration um the harbor review letter that we got last week okay um the main changes um the the retaining wall was redesigned and implemented a Terrace a terce wall design to eliminate excessive wall Heights um the drywalls were moved to the front of the property um an added scour hole at the end of the soil between the two proposed homes a tree Street tree was added and then other minor revisions um like adding the the location of the hbx to in between both units and adding a concrete slab in the backs of a walk out basement I'll have my engineer go through the whole plan in detail okay um Natasha I just want to bring up one quick thing yes uh last time you were here uh we told we explained to you and your professionals that we wanted to try to get everything in at one time uh we already have an exhibit now changing the plan that you gave us on whatever date that was the second now we see something now most most of us didn't have time to take a look at this but that is is that because the engineering firm asked for questions after the plan was in correct so we submitted the the the review the the revised plan based on the comments that we had at the hearing at after their submission Harvard did another review letter with additional comments so we wanted to submit uh an exhibit that addresses Harbor's comments the new comments based on the reviews the revised plans so we're not saying okay we'll comply later we'll comply L we wanted to show you what it what it looks like cooperating with Harper's PL uh as chairman I'm happy with that I don't know if the board feels the same way we usually need a little more time but given the circumstances I think we're okay to take a look at that what do you think Mr David yeah I mean I think we can at least proceed with the with the application yeah thank you no problem um no other questions I like to call Joseph bot to go over the revised ra take or Vach Jo I'm sorry I'm hearing Vach for some [Music] reason yeah I think last time we had him up here right oh no he he was he was over there oh yeah he was over [Music] there yeah yeah Natasha as as the secretary said if you bring a flash drive I'll just move out of way I'll get in better camera shot anyway and then um yeah we can put you up on the screen noted for next time okay Mr Bachi just um uh you qualify at the first meeting back in December as an engineer I'm assuming your licenses are still good and in effect yes you're still a licensed engineer yes sir okay you're still under the roof and what we're looking at there is you're going to be working off exhibit a A1 or um I was thinking uh thought corre if I'm wrong I was going to just touch on what we did submit on the second um just to show you that and then I'll go to exhibit whichever you guys prefer or chase no I think we need to hear you what you say Mr D yeah we need to we need to hear you everything uh as actually as a matter of fact U if you recall last meeting we didn't really have adequate Topo information on that adjoining wall from the neighbor so I will touch on that real quick I'll just go to the survey and that was submitted with the original revised package on the second so just a quickly touch on it um you can see here along the right hand side the plan you got a ton of spot shots here um it's a unique wall it's got a lot of St to it you see the neighboring property uh there's concrete step show here and the wall kind of steps down with it um in general the wall it varies from you know only a foot high um towards the front of the property with arm property on the low side and the neighboring property on the high side as you continue down towards the rear um it gets up to about 5T high with us us on the low side neighbor property on the high side until about 3/4 of the way back the neighbor's property drops off and when you come back here this last about 20 25 ft it's actually just about a 5T High freestanding wall so just to clarify last time we had assumed we were on the low side we just assumed they were they were higher you see five wall and figur there a reason for that it's actually freestanding so we did we revised our plan um kind of based on that fact and that's why we have our our retaining wall kind of up a little bit from the rear of the property then I'll I'll go into that but just a little background on kind of how we D this [Music] uh so I'll quickly touch on uh sheet three of four again this was revised January 2nd um so the exhibit revisions are based off of this one um but just to kind of take you guys through the thought process here um the main changes on this um we did keep the drywalls in the back in this iteration um kind of the thought being we added these retaining walls on each property um kept them separated here so you can kind of have water flowing through here and and not have to deal with um our thought at the time was single retaining wall you got to create HOA um wanted to avoid doing that so we kept them separate uh with the way the grading works we kind of had to tie them back in towards the houses here as you can see thought was we flattened enough of the back area that we were going to slow down the flow enough um after receiving Harbor's review letter and having discussions with Christian um I don't like the walles kind of realized that that was inadequate you still have a lot of slow coming through the middle you know it's coming it's collecting everything from the front it's it's pretty steep here be maxing out it um 3 to one in some areas so you still have some some decent velocity there um so I will move to exhibit a now A1 and kind of show you how we how we initially address that um we added a scour hole in the middle there between the two retaining walls so everything that's coming again through the center of the property here um will kind of it'll get it'll hit that scour hole slow everything down um and protect the neighbor to the rear uh we also terce the retaining walls so they're all set four to 5 ft from uh the retaining wall here in the rear so we got 4T High Max here um then it comes up and you got about a 2 and 1/2t retaining wall here uh a little more it'll look better for the neighbor in the back it'll prevent us from having excessively High retaining walls I think um you know 6' High retaining wall is not very aesthetically pleasing so you lower that a little bit you have a little more opportunity for landscaping or green area between those two uh retaining walls um in that area today again spoke with Christian um and I agree with him the ideal solution I think here is to have one retaining wall across the back or or you know in this case terrist but still not having this this u- shape here where are coming back and you're creating this channelized section uh again we wanted to avoid having to deal with an HOA um for these speaking with Christian he indicated that there is a way you can basically have a continuous wall with a separation there so you don't have to have the hway um so I know you guys were looking for a final final design um after speaking with him as part of resolution compliance if we were approved the only change would be to just extend he's across and and have that Gap so so it's two separate retaining walls and you don't have this uh U shape there so you're still going to have two walls on each property it's just going to be straight across property line or property line correct yeah what happens to grading in the middle uh we'll be able to Flat basically cuz right now we're getting all the way down to Elevation 79 where the scour hole is if we have a wall there we don't have to get down that low so it it'll be very similar to you know the grading on either of these properties which is once you get down here you're at 3 to% so you won't have a scour hole or you'll have a smaller scour hole further east up the up the up up the property line you have a wall that goes straight across from left to right then what do you what do you need the scour hole for no exactly yeah we would remove the scour hole and then the you know one of the concerns was the velocity of flow You Can level out this area into a nice 3 4% that'll slow the water down it'll be vegetating you know with grass that'll that'll slow all that water down going to the real property um we also moved the dry Wells to the front so you have even less um you know previously we had the drywalls in the back it was collecting each house uh going to the drywells detaining it and then Beering it out slowly so still in in the you know the the 2 and 10e storm were fully contained the 100e storm a little bit was being let out we were matching um uh the existing uh Peak runoff now that'll be reduced so the neighbor property in the rear um would have would see less runoff in this situation uh shown on a one here um the other changes were made were um you know Natasha mentioned them but a minor um fixing the curb in the front repaving um you know note to repave curb to curve uh we did add the street treaty that was required we put it in the middle here to avoid any utility conflicts uh there were other other minor changes such as adding cleanouts and valves to the utilities um but again I think the main thing that the board was concerned with and um the engineer was the drainage and I think that gets solved uh in the situation and I think I covered all the major changes there Christian said that would never not that's I'm wa from um can I question I I just want you to know I'm not using my phone I'm using this as a magnifying glass no problem honey I'll be home in an [Music] hour so okay go ahead Nick I'm sorry and you might have said this already and I I just again like J said you know the reason to have revised plans up ahead of time so that we could gather questions as opposed to making questions on the pl so having said that and talking about the new wall which is going to be the third Vision or the four div Vision um after you get rid of the scour hole and you put that wall straight across the back and you collecting the roof run off into the dry Wells up front all that water that's come dropping down going in between the houses and going to the back are just open free no collection at all every Everything other than the roof drainage that's going to the dry Wells nothing else is being collected on the property it's just free flowing off the property line uh that's correct on on this plan I did speak to Christian again before the meeting he said he would like to see some sort of collection in the back in the back all right [Music] okay I I I will note and I I know you guys just for the record right now the entire slight slopes to the back so it's definitely an improvement I understand you want you know if if There's an opportunity to fix it further we will yeah and I just want to clarify on the Harbor review letter from January 9th um there is a comment that no longer applies to uh the plan since they were removed the applicant shall provide testimony on the scar holes and how it will function during larger storms events in the future correct if we connect um the retaining walls that that would so but I know we are giving you guys another revision but in in terms of what you're seeing here it's pretty minor it's just again eliminating the scour hole and eliminating these these small legs here are just coming straight across so um in my opinion it's relatively minor so um did anybody have a question okay so I'm looking at your your exhibit A1 so at the top of wall you have at 83 on both sides right at where the scal hole is up Cor okay and when you had your original mockup you had it at 85 so on the left side you dropped it down by a foot and on the right side uh you dropped it down by a foot and a half is that correct about that yep and then you're bringing your scal hole all the way out a little further and you got that down to 79 correct okay so you said that you didn't want to join the two walls together because you were afraid of a homeowners association is that your testimony correct [Music] yeah we're trying to avoid having an HOA okay that's that that's why we kept it separate but now we've learned that there's a way to have it straight but still kept keep it separate and with that we would rather do that so so you've learned that how where today right when we got here talking Christian so so course I have some theory on that as well so tell me what your theory is um just putting a like like they said separate but connected while putting a um a either concrete or metal U like divider in between and just having so on the property line at dead center you could put in a concrete bomb beam or like a uh piece of Steel and ibeam that went down and then the two walls go into their into each one the I beam would be permanent almost as if you could call it a property marker survey survey marker and then you could lock the beam the concrete wall into the ibeam the eye of the I beam would be the dividing line and this would just hold it inside that uh concrete retainable I don't think you would get an HOA resistance because with the amount of pitch that you have here going in that back that uh that scow Stone there's going to be a tremendous amount of water going to the back agreed yeah so and you'll be able to with with what this chairman suggested and what Christian suggested you'd be able to see if there's a problem with one wall on one side and be clear as to who's responsible because if you if you did it if you tied the two walls in together right now all the neighbors are nice right the two people that are going to purchase these houses but one day they're not going to away the hot dog was cooked and they're going to be the headfield and the McCoy so then what happens these walls now become an issue that would come before us again so now if they're together but apart we've just eliminated that issue okay I like that I didn't know that you were going to say Nick so either to you or or to um what's your first name again uh Jeff Jeff okay sorry uh when you come up with the next revision and you tie these walls together okay so you get rid of the the wings and you have straight walls goingo um and regardless whether you put a wall up the middle for each property how does let's say property owner one Endor two how do they maintain their property Behind the Walls I mean they jump down with a lum mow to the next wall and they jump down to the back and then Char stairs I don't know well how do you get one down stairs you still got in property yeah not stairs there's CH on here where are they currently yeah right currently access would be uh kind of through here if you can see that through that s through there again through the sale yeah but how's it going to be when you put the like I said when you put a w on from here to there how do I maintain a property on S uh we'll have to add some steps there in terms of getting Lawn Equipment down uh I'm just saying I would think that in chairman scenario Property Owners is not necessarily getting along sooner or later the people behind um this property are going to probably say hey that looks like over there I saw proper I'm AAL AAL okay we we would add stairs on the side so that way they can access the back off the off the sides off uh again we're we're we're suspect because we don't have well I understand I understand I we just didn't know that could happen connecting without the best way to be connected but separate know that was thing yes I would recommend stairs um in terms of lawn equipment there's a I personally have an electric mower that's nice and light Mr Question I'm asking question I can't see no not there can't see here I can't see here doesn't exist Robert why don't you come up closer so we can hear you I think he'll hear me you do let me see what happens just can you speak up please just to clarify both walls are going to come and a butt or just the back wall both walls both walls both walls both walls yes so to the north side of the north property and the south side of the South property you're still going to be able to walk around the first tier correct correct um or should say to the right side of the little tough actually so we have to TU that in no I think he means between the house no between the corner of the house and the retain if you don't mind far right side and far left side yeah these are well the house is in line with the first retaining wall so you can over here think so we have to tuck this in no but right now there's wall there's yes yes I'm sorry over here you have space between this wall and that wall yeah so you could get to that tier now getting to that would be a problem but these walls are connected yeah we would only connect them here yeah thanks for clarifying that yeah we would still have the the kind of and whether follow the Chairman's recommendation of an I beam or you do a return wall and they just but they'll be separate walls so when the hot dog incident happens that was our main concern was hot dog related incidents um with that with that though whose tree is it uh tree is on oh that's a good question it is down we we could little yeah techically it looks like right now when it's only a 4 Tree on okay Joe we don't like so please put it on the property orang sign okay a lot of money on we like trees we just don't we just don't them understood thank you pick one of the houses problem [Music] um the only another question Mr the retaining in I'm sorry the storm water collection in the front is that connected to the storm lines in the street or is it just perking perking up we have a a great proposed there is no storm water um up there up there okay yeah elevated spot so in in large storm events it'll per through the yeah okay anyone from the board have any other questions from Mr Bachi Mr with your calculations for R how much rof was reduced by giving us these CED walls I notice that you're still at an 8% slope so many 12% and then you flatten it out 3% did you calculate and the watered how much did you actually reduce run off coming off that's property did you redu it all or is it just the same amount of run off to slow down same amount slowed down so same amount is last time it's still coming off it's going to tear down onto these construct walls are they going to be designed like block Keystone block they're not going to be deted door Home Depot Home Depot blocks [Music] yeah yes so let me clarify sorry just because the total run off the site uh wouldn't change but we did direct you know the drywells were in the front before they were um in the 100e storm event they were abely to get back that and the ACT progression of that water is cool up on the street and it's going to back flat back water running downhill if you can make water uphill I but it's not going to happen um Mr Duke is the question by putting these two houses on this slot and doing what they're on these Lots by doing what they're doing would the volume of water increase or decrease or with the pressure of water or the amount of water go down this basic prise my question is is uh you engineered how did you improve it for the residents cuz the the thing is is water the same amount of water in the same storm that you calculate is still going to come down onto somebody else's problem now if it's going slower small storm event 25 years you get a 100-year flood that's still has been a terrorist down we don't have any process for holding it other than putting it on the catch bases which you said going to percolate anyway so what type of soil is this what type of what you can use I mean it's still going to perol come up and go back down again well the driveways are pitched towards 20 21st Street though just going back to the drivew so the houses are being collected going to the drivew anything that comes up is going to run down the driveway you look across the street the huge house that's right the front of it all that water is coming towards your houses right there I concern is is your solution presents itself great for this property in itself I don't know how it's improving and my question is how is it improving for everybody else i e the neighbor behind NE FL water is not just going to go straight it's going to meander it's going to go across you create Terraces now that's going to create pooling that's going to create certain type of things cuz the soil is not going to stay flat uh so what's going to happen is is there's still going to be a certain amount of water that's going to be collecting down here where down where Tony the west side of the property which would be the D behind Okay water is still going that way no matter how we slice it yeah that that's that's the way way the water's going my question is what is your solution to hold some of that water which you're not CU you don't have any detention or are you holding some of that water on this property are you saying 50% is going to be held um and trickled out in the front I mean when you size these did you did your Dage C and you size what did you calculate the hold for uh so I ran through hyro P it basically so these in 100e storm event you got at 008 CFS and again that's coming out the front no um I don't honestly recall off hand what the what was going to the rear but with these in the rear I'm going to say it's probably a lot but okay yeah yeah but but according to my calculations when these were in the rear and they were still a little bitri on out I was matching the existing conditions so I think with with bringing them to the front I'm now reducing compared to what's what's there your professional thinging you're reducing it that's yeah we're reducing the amount of the the PE run off to the neighbor my concern is my concern is like again we have a huge rainfall and unfortunately in that area we we have frequent rainstorms where it the next street is completely flooded that's direct result of that huge slope the water just comes down and once it starts running it's not there's not much holding that path on huge RS more buildings create less chances for soil slaying down the soil so now you're creating more of I think when you look at theph that's there we do the walls have a so we're going to be that's going to slow it down itself thees and solution you're using what type of block you using [Music] nesa question Mr gal sorry oh I'm sorry not mral you're going to have to come up closer cuz I can't see you first of all I I did review the original drawings I think it's a great idea moving this what you the retention that you've moved to the front um and it's just a particular site that has a great slope right now um and I don't know if this is our pervy or not but I'm sure the person in the back probably having water today but I I don't know that men I would imagine they they're having a water issue today I think bringing and connecting the whole house and draining it out the front is a great change from the previous but even taking Mr deluca's uh statements about the water in the back and it's still there when we have the you know those nice half hour bursts of rain that we get now maybe on that first tier individually on each side we have another cap Bas in there so that we have another form to hold it before it goes down those Hills and now the last hopefully the last hopefully the last comment um just check with and make sure your client understands I I don't know what off the top of my head but a retaining wall of such height do you need a guard rail around it because now this is going to be something that the impact the look of the backyard the the salability of it the you know so that's just something you may want to think about in your final design is retaining ball I think it's 3 ft but I I can't SP that yeah I don't I'm not sure but I check that I knew this an hour ago too that track okay that's before the meaning it's it's it's around 3 or 4 ft hopefully it's four yeah well we we did we did um kind of discuss that internally at our office uh one solution would be so the First wall is 2 and 1/2 ft we don't need fall protection there we could put a row of ARB lighs or something to prevent access to this wall um and I'll have to check that might need for um any safety measures inaccessible basically you know in this area where it is 4 ft kind of breaks up the it makes it so you can't stand right next to that 4T high wall and actually the the other reason why I was suggesting the um additional retainage on the first tier rather rather than the back tier we have that in a couple locations in town and then it goes back to the hot dog in in it because this neighbor saying that neighbor's not cleaning it out and my backyard's getting flooded CU he didn't clean out the cash basing so if it's purely on his property you can't have the cross complaints right Joe goad I'm sorry um I'm going to go on a Lim and say that you have a typo on the lower left corner probably of that drawing on the dryw on the left side your excavation unless you couldn't do it that way I don't know why 11 12 it should probably be 8915 instead of 7915 it says the bottom bottom of drywall is 90515 and the bottom of re excavation should probably yes thank you for I looked at the other ones the ones that you you you had provided and it looked like the note was just transferred so when it was in the back it was 79 so yeah that was me missing my drafter it's okay not blame the draf problem good ey ni I have a question for you you have your first retaining wall closest to the house before you get to the second retaining wall That's 5 ft away am I correct uh so Bas face face of the of this wall to the base of the lower walls it's five yeah so so it's 4 ft from the back of the wall from the back of the wall so after that wall I think it says 6 ft there right in that white space uh nine n NT I'm trying so you got 9 ft and that's where your um your scour scour wall was scour drain was in the beginning that line from where it says um 50 right there at that black line what is below that how many feet is below that do you know what I'm saying 50 here either side 50 got 50 so where it's is 50 the line the property line what is the drop below that what is that on the neighboring property yeah uh we weren't able to access their property on for give it take uh I went out there myself relatively flat out okay in then English property um I I would say it's still pitching uh towards uh the whatever Street's parallel there 20 of um so that's flat yeah Rel so there's a 4ot basically a 4ot drop off the top of the furthest wall correct and I guess you were worried about drainage Mr galdi in the back there well I was worried more so like Mr the is talking the volume of the water coming from the whole property down there that's why my suggestion just to suggestion not engineered but to put the additional catch on the top tier so you're catching everything from the front and as he said from the street coming across you're catching that there this second tier and the back tier you're only talking about 15 ft of ground but if you catch the water from the other 85 ft from the front curb back that's a lot more water to catch that last 15 ft will take care of itself and you're talking about on each property of catch catch on each property no no sharing anything yeah well I was thinking on the back of that wall where that 9 ft is what if you put in 2 and half in stone or the goose egg Stone act as a channel that will will retain itself you don't have to worry about putting steps and maintaining it anymore because once the rocks are in there you could probably get that for up to three fet it'll be nice and high excavate it out put a drainage pit not a drainage pit a drainage stone with a a AI cloth 140n or something like that put the goose eggs right in there your problems really go away you'll have water seing [Music] on sorry that was our quient toldes I agree I feel like SoDo I just hit at our park I think that's a good idea as you heard you follow me Mr David you guys are talking like above my head with this with this drainage stuff I'm more concerned about the two homes yeah that's way over my head too but chairman engineering Solution that's a solution chairman I would say yours and mine yeah they both work no have both of them not either or no no I I I'm I'm going to agree that because that is then you're correct it it does if look uh I I could only imagine you know swimming in dark water in that pool in the backyard and it's it's got to be a way that we could try to correct it uh if we're going to make this happen we got to do everything we can excuse me try to keep peace the next year are you following yeah like I said I leave the details the detail my concern is obviously the neighbors and how the runoff is going to affect them that they're not get flooded out I leave the details up to you professionals who understand how to best mitigate those issues so if the board members who know this stuff are comfortable with the solution then I'm comfortable with the solution do you have um any anything to say about what Mr Gali and I'm saying about the just so no I agree um I think because of the unique layout of the site you should probably have as many fail safes as you as you possibly put on here we we're damning it damning it and damning it and before it gets down to the pool yeah it it'll probably start to go down I think it makes sense Y and you still have to you still have run off going off the whole 100 ft of width of the site yeah instead of this narrow Chapel right and that can be graded as such though it does that it it automatically works so the ground becomes per I'm not an engineer I'm with you yes it works yeah and and just to clarify um Kevin found that no guarding guard GRS requireed prote they are not according to our ORD okay thank you I think it will be a moot point once we got the um the goose eggs back there because it's going to raise that elevation up even higher by virtue of those stones going in you're probably going to have a 24 in heye wall at the back if you put enough down just wanted to put that on MAR though okay but it's got to be enough of stone you can't just C you know not not just cover you got to he he can provide a well I would recommend providing detail of what the wall and the stone would look like and just just to show with the fabric just so that whoever's constructing it knows exactly what they have to do that's an easy fix so just to summarize everything that's been discussed And to clarify we're conjoining the wall making it the making it separate but connected um and then we're going to add as if the you were okay with adding the additional dry well on each property and the goose eggs as you said well goose eggs you know the decorative River Rock so won't be offensive to the neighbor but they look pretty and at the same time they're serving as a channel sometimes we'll use that in in a culvert or something like that I just I just wanted to clarify that's but that the that's going to be a a trench drain essentially so it's going to it's going to make have stone below it so you have some additional perk in there is that the is that the concept that we're like a rip W yeah yeah exactly actually chairman the township just did this on the connection between Tulip Court and whatever the street is behind it yeah um they we built a new sidewalk um the town built a new sidewalk and alongside of it because the properties are relatively flat and the street flows into that sidewalk they built about a 30in wide area filled with the goose a uh to convey the water to the back street so it's something that the town is already familiar with good good I feel much better with that than what we looked at when they came in now Lou just has a whole list to write down well I have a question what I have so far similar to what's everyone's been been discussing the two the two rear walls will be singular in the middle on the property line will have concrete metal um so it would differentiate the property ownership of of the walls just um scour holes will be removed in the back will be removed water collection at the rear of each lot and similar to Craig I will leave the details up to um Christian engineer um how about we discussed possibility of stair stairs or is that no longer I don't think you need them anymore yeah if you're doing the gravel there's no I mean I there's no gu we unless our client maybe would want stairs if you want put it in it's not going to hurt but I mean I think it's important I think it's important to have some access back there and even if it's a long side yeah yeah yeah I think around the side we don't need to make make that condition right getting at um and the return walls will be eliminated uh in the center right in the center all right that's what I have on this so Mr chairman the the other thing so if we're done with the drainage component one of the things that the board and I in particular are always interested in is the actual homes being built on the property in the original plan there were plans of the type of home that they were going to build I don't know is anybody going to speak to that you know we have I mean Natasha we get um Mr David uh was saying that okay we understand the drainage now we have a list of things that this could probably work the tree is going to move on one property or the other we get that we need some information is there's somebody here to give us testimony on the style of house what you're going to do how that's going to go up because we have some um I don't know if yeah they are ordinances of two houses can't look alike or something no no cookie cutter houses we need to know what's next first of all is all the board members okay with the drainage as it sits now well we hav seen the final no in detail Sol yeah we're going to have to see the final okay on that topic does the board want to see the final or you going to leave it in the hands of I listen I I I shouldn't say listen that's not nice I know this pretty well you know I do this for a living I know what that's going to look like I know what the detail has to look like um I would trust that for my other my board members I would trust that if the engineer is perfectly capable of taking a look at this and for as the admission of even some of the board members don't know what we're talking about at this point it's basically a big scour pit in in in essence it's just a big bunch of rocks that look pretty on those two beds so if you're not going to do it in landscaping with brush and low um bushes be doing it with rocks to stop the water I mean I for me I don't see why we would have to do that that's repetitious over and over and over again I I think I think as long as it's in the transcription and uh the resolution in the resolution excuse me in the resolution that Mr R is going to put up and that that um our professionals are more than capable of doing resolution compliance which they do anyway and this is just deep other details that you know otherwise going to have to come back and going to have to do another hearing okay I think it makes sense you got a supply detail let the engineer it's not the first time that we left it in the hands of our professionals okay so now are we good yep you good okay talk about the houses elevations need elevations so was elevations not submitted for the original the yeah in the original plans there were some but I just wonder if anybody was going to provide any testimony or anything else no um however we would make sure that they look independent on their own and not identical and comply with the ordinance is your [Music] architecture you may want to look those Clans and see if they satisfy you for the yeah I me it looks like they just reversed yeah the porches and the and the garages so I guess yeah you want different color different soci well I mean that to me yes it should they should be differentiated what what we're we're willing to take your comments and make those changes it's just we we would do whatever change that to that you think would be necessary to make sure that they don't just do just give me one minute I want to go into the architectural oh you got them up you guys have it so who do you have there is that the one on the left this is the one on the right yes this is the one driveway driveways are in basic and that's we don't work okay so Natasha yes um I'm not speaking for the board I'm speaking basically what we're looking at here and this is why sometimes it's very important to have an AR here you have exactly the same house as a Mir gentlemen Gentlemen please because this is being recorded and if we have to play it back there'll be something okay thank you so you have exactly the same house but it's just a mirror image and that's against what we have in our ordinance that you have two identical similar yeah it's two similar and um that has to be changed no problem okay um so you know you know what we have to do with that right we have to see yeah so Natasha you you hit one out of the park here with us going to the engineer and and that but with two similar houses we can't leave that the engineer CH no I I understand we would we would in resolution compliance if that's all right submit Revis architectural renderings that are that are not similar that make them look independent [Music] not I don't think that's going to fly with the board I want to see it before I vote they're going to want to see it before they vote because it's happened more than one time um in good faith not that you would not not do that but or whatever I just tried to say I think you got it the thing is is that um we have something in place that uh that we have to abide by with that and if we don't see it then we're signing off on nothing the detail detail is one thing for the uh the drainage that's simple but this if you just move that little piece over to the right and said well I made it different then we would we would take issue with that the but the board has to say it I hate to say you started off the meeting with this is what we typically do we don't accept en Vision so close to the meeting I mean we will try to help I'm just saying but as you get through it how many changes like I know yeah it's it's unfortunate that we didn't get to this part of the you know hearing the meeting the last time so that it all could have been done tonight and with that being said I would also say if I may if you're going to do the detail we might as well see it that night too right just carry it do everything Chris and the comments on the dra at the same time so the exhibit a should get on to another plan with the detail of the uh drainage and another look at a different style Home Ex exhibit a is going to change because [Music] change we have [Music] A2 I'm sorry is there anything else that way oh yeah did we want to just look through this real quick is there anything else that the board wants other than Natasha let me say this I I'm sorry you keep running away let me say this to you A minor subdivision shouldn't be this difficult we should this is cut and dry you got 100 by 100 you're going to split it down the middle and we're going to go away but we have drainage issues now we have house issues um that's why that's why when we originally came for the board we didn't have our architect because we didn't think um St like no need for it it's very simple plain simple so that's why I've never addressed that those issues so those issues must be addressed before and the engineers and the plan can't take care of that at the next meeting to describe the I mean the architect the architect should be here with you um just to run down what he's doing how many rooms what does that look like North Side Southside where's the water going to go what it looks like and all that kind of stuff maybe a colorized uh sort of colorized houses next we yeah chairman this was addressed in our m of the Senate it was addressed oh yeah yeah and and I put on record that we will comply with the whatever the ordinance requires if it needs to be different that we would do it differently but since drainage was the main concern at the last meeting we just focused on the drainage for this meeting since that was like the main main okay um so our next meeting would be February 13th that's our next regular meeting MH so we would carry this hearing to then correct yes do they have they don't have the notice right we carry is that enough time for I I would have to contact the architect I I I assume that should be to avoid further notice you want to carry it to a date speciic date specific Natasha given the length of what's going on this is a a pretty easy fix for the architect 1 2 3 he'll probably pull something out in get it going meting okay we would some of the board members all would want to see what you're going to do a few days ah had a ton make sure we would comply with the 10 days prior to the hearing that we so we avoid you coming back you're talking about one house change the other one stays the same [Music] the dog St that's fine they wanted to they can change yeah just changing one yeah that works Mr gal just one last thing just so that we don't have to bring something back up again and I didn't see the original architecture plans are there rooms indicated in here because remember this is a walk out lower level okay so you just want to make sure what's a bedroom what's not a bedroom again this is a walk out lower [Music] not could beused is there anything else for us in Natasha Mr planner thank you um the calendar works best when um Christian and I have our stuff two weeks out that way you get your reports a week out if we have it by the 30th of January that would keep us on that calendar uh that you we is that should it should be I mean my concern is his revised because if we're doing revise plans you guys want to probably see like we discuss the changes to the drainage so you would have if if this issue didn't come up he would have have have had to have them anyway here's what we will do we'll give you if the board accepts a little bit of latitude that if we didn't see the drainage on the same [Music] uh night that Kevin just said and it took you a little bit longer that's an easy part of the puzzle if you needed more time to design and get that trage in because then we can look at that compliance but the architectural stuff and everything else would be on the plan yeah okay come back car to the 13th and without further notice and if they can't make it then we'll then just put it all on the plan and carry it to so our meeting is February 13th February 13th so you have to have the plan in Kevin by the 30th yes sir let's skip a little eway we'll live with 10 days we'll live with the 10 days we only dealing with revisions third of February okay few more so now you have more time too Mr v vachi um you Jumping Joe Vach so you have more time I think you could get it all together you got till February 3rd to get him the information we'll have a little bit less time to V it it's not a big deal we look at two things us the board yes I told him he has the 301 to get it to me for me to get it to you guys it's doest that um let's do color versions both the architecturals and the engineering we have some great talent in this board um among them are Architects and Engineers we have other great talents who are not Architects and Engineers so maybe you guys are thank you so much well of business um and just to so we can get this out of the way now if we can open for public comments now if possible or you would you want to wait until the architectural well one of the public members who's a property owner just left because she heard that it's being carried to the 13th so I don't think we can do it we would want to do it at the end yeah okay okay so is everybody satisfied with this yes okay can we go with is there a motion to carry this meeting to to February 13 so move move by Mr David second by Mr U maio all in favor I I no further know at 7 o' okay soon thank you very much natashi Mr um [Music] okay uh moving on comments for the good of the board anyone seeing none uh is there a motion to open a meeting to the public Salute by Mr Davis s Mr Maia all in favor I anyone from the public wishing to speak no seeing no one I make a motion to close the public portion of the meeting close by Mr David second by Mr DeLuca all in favor I okay motion I make a motion to adjourn Jour by Mr David second by Mr Mano all in favor all right sh