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in regards to this meeting. Can we stand for the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for all. Roll call please. >> Mayor >> here Mr. >> here >> here >> Mr. Pina >> here >> Mr. Mio >> here Mr. >> here >> Mr. Mr. there. >> I'll be with you in one minute, Kathy.
As soon as I find my agenda. Thank somebody my desk. That was you. >> Is there a motion to approve the minutes for November 25th, 2025? Motion made by Mr. Gmaldi, >> seconded by Mr. Kello. All in favor?
>> I. >> Okay. Kathy, any communications? >> No. Chair. >> Okay. Okay, seeing none, the resolution for application number 225008, Nest, Mr. Rego. Yes. Um, the board heard this application, the preliminary and
final site plan approval at its November meeting, November 25th. This is one in a line of approvals for this lot, Galping Hill Road. The board may recall the Nest 15 building. I've requested approval to
do some interior work in the courtyards. um build three corridors, do some landscaping and uh some some uh drainage improvements. Pretty straightforward. No variances were requested or were needed
and the board approved this. Okay. So, if you all remember, I was not here that night. Greg David chaired this. So, I can't vote. So, whatever is in that resolution, I reserve uh the board to uh say, is that in order and everything okay?
>> Okay. Seeing that, is there a motion to approve the resolution? Motion again made by Mr. Galdi, seconded by Mayor Carlo. Roll call. >> Mayor Carovich, >> yes. >> Uh, Mr. Clementi, >> yes. >> Mr. Pentina, >> yes.
>> Mr. Matt, I weren't here. >> You weren't here. Uh, Mr. Lawy, >> yes. >> Mr. Kella, >> yes. >> And Mr. Gumaldi, >> yes. >> Okay. Moving on to resolution planning board plannings board's meeting dates for 2026 and I have in my hand the
resolution for the meeting meetings for 2026 right Kathy so that's the one that's this one right >> I have it in my hand you guys >> they got a copy of it too >> everybody you gentlemen and ladies have a copy of this and this is the
resolution approving the uh dates for 2026. We also uh talked in our workshop there. There may may be some amendments to this during the January and or February meeting because things fall around Thanksgiving, around Memorial Day, and
around Christmas. Correct. >> So, we'll look at it at that point. But if that's okay, can someone make a motion? It's a motion made by Mr. Clemente, seconded by >> Second. >> Mayor Carloic. Is chairman a motion to
hold this until January or to approve it and amend it later? >> I think we can >> I'm going to advertise it. >> Approve. >> The resolution says I have to do it by the um 8th of January.
>> So the motion is to approve. >> So the motion is to approve and then we'll amend during the next couple of months. So the motion was made by I think Mr. Kmente, seconded by Mayor Kovich. and roll call. >> Mayor Carlo, >> yes. >> Mr. Perno,
>> yes. >> Mr. >> Clementi, >> yes. >> Mr. Pantina, >> yes. >> Mr. Matio, >> yes. >> Mr. Lawy, >> yes. >> Mr. Kella, >> yes. >> And Mr. >> Okay. application uh 2409 Eric Chavez,
61 South 19th Street. >> I guess you're Mr. Chavez. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay, Mr. Sh, I'm sorry. If I may, I've been informed by the board secretary that notice of publication uh are appropriate or in order.
>> Yes. And why don't we swear in Kevin Christian. He's our planner and our engineer. Gentlemen, with regard to this to this this application. Do you swear the testimony show you the truth uh to help you God?
>> Thank you. >> Okay, Mr. Why don't we swear you in Mr. Sho, you could raise your right hand. With regard to this application, do you swear the testimony that you're about to give show the truth? I don't. And for the record, if you could state your name and
spell your last name, please. Eric Chavez. C H A D E S. And you're the applicant and the owner of the property? Yes, sir. Okay. >> So, uh just to reiterate, Mr. Chavez, um when you don't have representation, uh to make things go a little bit smoother,
easier, uh to we can so we can keep some type of format, uh we usually ask our planner to walk you through this unless you want to do this on your own. >> Okay, it's all yours.
>> Mr. Chav is I believe you were going to make an introduction and tell the board about the project. >> Yes. So, uh the reason I'm here is I'm proposing to do a side addition to my home. Uh I have a detached garage currently. I would like to remove that,
attach it to the home and uh create a a bedroom above it as well as expand my master bathroom and my uh master closets. And then coming down back down to the first floor extending my living room space
and also in the front of the house I would like to do a cover for porch. Mr. Chavis I believe you have in your possession reports from Mr. Quo our engineer. >> Yes sir. >> And yes sir. I'm going to refer to my report
uh at the bottom of the first page. I have two planning comments. Number one, uh the reason why you're doing this. Can you tell can you walk us through that? >> Sure. Uh when we first walked out in 2017 and just me and my wife, uh now
there's four of us in the household and there's possibly going to be a fifth one. Uh we just want to be prepared. So my wife does work from home. So one of the guest rooms she uses sometimes as an office which extra home. So an extra bedroom uh for the future
near future will be helpful. I also have nieces and nephews that sleep over during the holidays. So you know putting their body somewhere. >> Thank you Sean. >> Thank you Sean. Could you please discuss uh what the new front
and side facing tardy uh siding so the luxury siding that on there but nothing drastic just keep the same color palette that's on the block now Uh for the front porch of approved like do like
a nice veneer something pleasing to the eye AS the detach garage. What's going to take the grass? So, you're going to have a grassy area surrounded by
walkway block, something like that. >> Yeah, that block I was intending to remove the kids in somewhere like they're getting to engage with soccer and all that. So, we need more grass back there. Okay. The proposed driveway,
uh, since this is a new proposal, federal code does require a 1T separation from the property line. Can you provide that one foot separation? Yes sir. It could be a grass strip or some other separation. >> Yes sir.
>> So you're reduction. Yes sir. >> Sir the front porch is proposed to approach 5 ft into the front yard. Uh the purpose of the covered front porch is to improve the functionality
and character of the home while remaining consistent with the surrounding neighborhood. The covered porch provides weather protection at the front entrance, making the home safer and more usable during the rain and snow. Uh it would also uh encourage the use of the front door entrance uh rather
than the rear, which will promote us talking to our neighbors more and whatnot, and it would keep more eyes on the street. Uh for the front porch, I really want to keep it as close to grade as possible, so it wouldn't be an eyesore looking from the street curb. And um what's there now is protruding
and encroaching into the setback as well. All I'm asking for is just to widen it the width of the house. Uh it create a bigger blueprint for my kids when we run out there in the rain. They're not slipping and falling and whatnot. Push them to the side and let them not rain on our snow and whatnot.
uh and it it won't mess with any of the uh drainage away from the house or anything like that. >> You had mentioned the neighborhood. Are there other porches such as what you're proposing? >> There are there are a couple porches. I brought some pictures. I didn't uh provide them an application, but I have
some pictures of some of the houses on the block. And also I wanted to show you a house on South 18th Street. Basically really what I wanted to do. They have the same layout, a garage up top as well. If you'd like to show those, if the board wants to see those, we can.
How many photos do you have? >> I I brought 10. I didn't know how many are going to be here. I have 10. >> 10 of the same picture. 10 sets. Yeah. 10. Just mark the A1. And how many photos per per set approximately?
>> There's photos of a couple houses. And then uh for another question, I made a packet for each one uh of the parking issue. I took a couple pictures of that. Why don't you want to pass them both up? >> We do the first.
>> We'll do the porch is A1. Bring the parking on those. The parking will be A2. So, first we'll focus on the porch. Sorry about that. I also have uh smaller copies print outs you guys want. We'll just
share share for you this way. cover. >> Oh, that's the just so you guys don't have to. Does anybody want a reduced set of plans? >> Yeah. Yeah, I do. Okay. Yeah, that was great. Sorry, you're not hearing that on
the microphone. >> Thank you, Robert. reduce. >> What do you want? >> No. No, you don't get right. >> Do you ever see an attorney sheriff? Oh boy.
>> Oh, this is a tree photograph. situation. >> No, sorry. Oh, wow. >> Oh, this is just another house. >> M Mr. Travis, while everybody's getting organized,
>> I know that this is your house 61. These two pictures right front and side. And isn't this house right here right next door to you to the right? >> It is not. >> It is. Where is this? >> There's Oh, this is what you are saying it's you want it to look like, >> right? Okay. the garage aspect of that
house. >> Okay. >> Got pictures. Mr. Chavez, if you could >> tell us about the pictures, who took them, when you took them, and then I tell us why they're important. I took them today after reading over your report. I wanted to give you guys as
much as possible uh just to see where my mindset is. There's also a house I couldn't get a picture on. It was blurred out on Google, so I couldn't drive over there due to my job. But uh it's uh 22 South 18th Street. It's really basically describing what I want
to do. Older house, but just wanted to connect to Wi-Fi to show you. I think we're getting >> 22 South 18. >> Yes, sir. So, right now in front of the board, we
have three different pictures in front of us only, right? But there's no other pictures floating around. All right. The front of the house, the side of the house, and the one on Coolage. Correct. >> Anything else about the photographs, Mr. >> Um,
for for the examples of what I want to do, it's okay. >> Question number six. What happens to the existing landscape for the house? Wherever I can see, I'll try to but if not
number seven, can you talk about your neighborhood? Are there other homes that are going to encroach in that front yard they're aware of? And I do note for the record that I did see several covered entranceways in the front. They may have
said this setback. I was unable to tell that, but it appears as though they do. There are some uh my neighbor has a a purch and it's covered as well. Mine wouldn't be as high.
Item number eight, one side of the new sideard setback is proposed four, the others at 4.84 currently and will continue as it is. Kevin, you're on item number eight. >> Yes, sir. Item number eight on H.
>> Okay. Um, the new setback to the south of the house is at 4T. Uh, the existing and proposed setback is at 4.84 is 5 ft on the right side of the north side of the house. So, Mr. Chavez, there's
pools, there's a grow back, a lot of stuff back there. So just an observation, not a judgment. Anyway, that stuff's got to be >> You sound like you're talking to a police officer
or don't drive the park. >> You got a lot of stuff back there. How are you going to maintain that stuff if you have to replace, pull out? I mean four feet you're not getting anything up that four feet size almost five you're not getting much up
and down that 4.8 4.34 ft size. Tell us what you're going to do with uh if that's where it comes down to. I have great relationships with both my neighbors on the south end. Uh I'm sure they would be okay with me
fence panel to get that stuff out of there. >> So to talk about the future, if your neighbors move, you get other neighbors in there and they're not quite as cooperative and you're on your own. You got to deal with it on your own property. What do you do?
>> Uh, for what's back there, uh, I would say the 4T would be sufficient enough for me to take it. Um, I do have the other side on the other side that I can take it out, whatever's back there.
Okay. On the left side, south side of the house, what are you proposing next to the addition to access the backyard? >> A wall, if anything. >> A wall. And then in the front uh where the garage uh is
for security purposes >> and that also has to be set back for your existing AC units. >> Okay. So they're actually within the 5T step back there.
No proposed correct. Uh item number 11, five bedrooms requires three parking spaces. How are you going to accommodate three scient ones that are with you? >> Yes.
>> So, so this is also the park. >> Okay. Got it. >> So, tell us which picture you're looking at. >> Uh so, what we're going to do have in front of you right there is a Dodge 2500, which is a pretty massive vehicle. to the right of that should be the Ford Explorer black and then there um is a
picture on my email third which is a Nissan Rogue just in front of my Ford Explorer and then I didn't have a fourth car to put in there but you could uh probably fit a small compact sedan in front of my uh
this white vehicle the white truck that you're talking about there that's on the southernmost part of your driveway and that's your neighbor's car to the left of that. Is that correct? >> Now,
okay, I I'll let you finish your testimony. >> Okay. So, will those four vehicles fit on your property? >> Or will they extend to the right of way? And I know
>> uh you've got 20 quail about 27 feet that g 18 ft long. >> So you have a foot long.
>> No, I don't. But those are my cars right there. Okay. So there's two different things then. uh they're technical. There's a line of there's a property line that shows what you owe. So for
that property line and towards the street there's there could be 8 10 11 ft depending on how the 10 ft Mr. Quaido tells the engineer and he knows between the curve and your line. So that 10 ft
means that whatever you park there is technically on the property, but you're saying you could fit your vehicles on that driveway on your side of the current line, not necessarily your side of the property. Uh does the garage count as one of the spaces or no?
>> Yes. So if I use the garage as one of the space, the two would be well. >> Okay. So you Yes, sir. So, one in a garage, two together, no tandem. >> Correct. Okay. Two side by side. But if
he had two tandem, it's a single family. >> Oh, that's their problem. >> Mhm. >> We don't worry about that. >> Right. Okay. >> I'm just getting a visual to see if it's approved. >> I I still think in that picture you can see that the bumpers are well within the
house. You still see the house. You see the setback two? >> No, but I I get it. >> Oh, I get it. >> Okay. So, did you have a question?
>> Did you want him to finish his report and hold your question or do you want to get >> I just want a clarification on what you're talking about. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> So, um we work by numbers and on your numbers on your plot plan, you have 14.85 85 ft from the southernly edge of
the existing dwelling to the property line. You're going to put an addition on it. Whatever numbers work out to you have 4T left over. So you're saying that in 14.85 ft with no freeboard at all.
You can get two cars wide and not be on that your neighbors to the south struggling. >> The middle's tight, but I can get the squeeze. So, if you look at the picture, Nick, that's why he's got one pulled in one the other way so the door hit.
>> No, I see that. I just don't I don't I don't know. 14.85 ft is kind of tight. 14.85. Winds up being like short of 15 ft. You know, parking space is 9 by8 that's two cars by 9. If it's 8 ft wide,
it's 16 ft, which more than 14.85 ft. Just saying. >> No, no, no, no, no. That's why we're here. Okay. So, I've asked a number of factual questions. I'm going to turn to Mr. Cleo for factual questions. >> Mhm. >> Let the board ask factual questions and
I want to come back to Mr. Chavez. >> Okay. >> We'll talk about proofs that he needs to put on the record and then we'll toss it back to the board. >> Okay. All right. Shar. Sounds great to me. Hey. Um, so you're in receipt of my uh
letter dated December 10. So um on the first page, comment one just goes through um what you are proposing which uh you spoke to. Uh comment number two um goes into uh your the increase in the building coverage
that's new addition uh which is based on numbers on your plan. Um on to my second page. Um comment three uh refers to the um decrease in impervious because as you said um you will be removing the uh
detached garage and adding open space there and um that will decrease the amount of uh of impur site. So overall the amount of runoff from your site will be will be less. Yes sir. Um,
comment four has to do with the front side setbacks which you already uh discussed um uh with Mr. O'Brien's report and my last comment has to do with again the parking and um I will say
I do kind of I do agree with Mr. Tina 15 14 actually less than 15 ft is a little short for a tip for two parking uh spaces. A typical parking spaces 9 by 18
so 18 ft wide. Um I know showers um yeah it would probably be even probably better if you had them hand side by side cuz um even even on this this picture it looks like you're slightly over onto your neighbor's
property it's kind it might be a little deceiving because I believe your um driveways uh kind of connect or at least they um along the property line. Um that is
that is what I >> those are factual questions or back to the board if you have any questions of those >> uh before the board is going to take a question. Do have any questions or you wrapped up? >> Uh I want to wrap up after questions.
>> Okay. >> In a summary I'll go over the summary with them. Okay. Um I'm sure we have a litany of questions. Um who who can someone show me hands because it's hard to see. Who would like to have a question? Mr. Pantina. >> Yeah. Go ahead.
>> Um so looking at Mr.'s last comment regarding the parking. I know we already spoke about it, but the new uh RSIS standards um
requires I guess the maximum number of spaces is going to be three, right? >> Yes. Right. Regardless whether you got four bedrooms or five bedroom, no five requires three. Okay. So, just because it's on the plan and nobody's
asking a question, I'll answer a question. So, if I look at the seller for a plan, um, you have a bathroom down there. You have a closet. You have a window. And I think I'm not the planner. I'll prefer to Mr. O'Brien. I think the
only other thing that would define that as a bedroom would be a open frame door, which you have, which would be the access door that comes in from the garage into the steps into the basement.
So that being the case, um that that that doesn't up the does that up the parking one and two um I just want to open up the the floor because
uh we all know that you know rooms in a basement welcome other residents. I don't know if it qualifies as a bedroom container because it does not have two
means of egress way this uh and some labels a bedroom. Um many of us have bathrooms in our basement. Uh some because we're all in frail, others
because they're very convenient. Um so that in itself is not in here but I don't see Mr. How many regress from that? Takes one. There's only one. So therefore, it's not
a bedroom. >> So it can't be labeled a bedroom in accordance with the construction code. Um what they do down there is between them and their mayor. I I only raised a question which comes up in other discussions that I have with other
people that you know closet uh closet and window and access point is a bedroom uh the bathroom just serves as luxury >> but that that bathroom is existing correct it is yeah
I think we can conclude it's not Okay. Thank you. If he was proposing a bathroom down there, I would say that that might >> Yes. >> Yes. So, to me, it's the Pantina's point. It
is not ever going to be used as a bathroom because it doesn't have two means of egress. The bathroom, as Mr. uh um O'Brien says, um that we uh all have two bathrooms or most of us have bathrooms in our
basement. It is not going to be used as a bedroom, but I would also, if approved, put that down there into our into our resolution that it will not be used as a bedroom to not only to protect the burrow, but to protect Mr. Chavez uh from think not thinking that in the
future, wow, this is a great space and then god forbid something should happen, we're all protected should this get approved. >> Good. Okay, we can move on. >> Board questions. >> Board questions. Anything else, Mr. Gone?
>> On a recent application um with somebody doing a similar type of additions, we had a lot of talk about increasing the width of an existing driveway. So that um cars did fit better and we had similar because the amount of
bedrooms that were in that facility as well. Um I don't think we did, of course, but we could maybe recommend. You might want to think about widening the driveway. There is a telephone right next to the
driveway. >> There is a couple feet there though. >> He can request it. Not that they act in a timely manner, but they they usually make accommodations for homeowners. But again, keep pushing the rock up, you
know. Um, but I I would almost recommend that we widen the driveway. I don't think he's Kevin, uh, Christopher. Uh, I don't think he's that close to, you know, dealing with an impervious cover at all. Again, he's right now going in
the negative direction. >> Um, so if you widen it a little, when your kid gets in and he smashes your truck, he doesn't smash your truck as much. Um, but uh the only other thing is
this is maybe more of a generality for that street. This street typically has when we have flash rain you're right in the nice flooding area, right? Okay. Um,
but would it be appropriate to um talk about any type of uh water management or well because he's reducing the amount of impervious
I'm not recommending him put a seage bid uh on his property reducing >> if if I may um if he is reducing the amount amount of imperous coverage in the rear but
equals that impervious coverage where if he was to widen the driveway and that equals out then it's a non-issue. >> Yeah. >> If it gets greater than then then it becomes an issue. So should you get a in other words you know what I'm talking
about right? If you move it over 3 ft and you go 20 ft back you got 60 square ft it's nowhere near what you have in the back. So it's a kind of a nine issue. Yes, it should still be an option because he's removing the complete garage, but I mean assuming the garage
say 10 by 20. >> Yeah. >> Be a lot less. >> Yeah. >> So, you should still be good. Um, and if I could finish your thought on the parking. So up until this moment, uh Christian and I have looked and it would
appear that a parking variance would be required if everything stayed as it was because uh he would require two 9 by18 spaces for cars and he's only got 14.85 across
one garage. But if you were to widen that driveway by staying 4T or 3 and 1/2 ft by the what is this about
15 or so maybe if for the proposed walk the proposed walk that you that I mean that would be much less impervious it's being removed. It would make a performing parking
space. Um, but we really want to be careful about the utility vault if we want to make anything. Well, that was my question. Do we have to be away from the utility? Is there anything I'm sure you can't well >> utility poles in driveways and they're
>> okay? >> We don't want to do that. No, >> we want to give a separation. He has on his drawing he has 19.7 from the face of the uh proposed porch to his property line. So that would give you your 9
by18. >> Um personally from an architectural standpoint I would tell you a little bit deeper. >> So so with that in mind I kind of feel like we're putting the car before the horse. We're trying to figure out what
you can do with your cars before we're trying to figure out if the setbacks uh have a good taste in the board's mouth without Let me digress. It's not our job to say no or yes here. It's our job to take a look at the
ordinance and see how we could adjust it to make it work for you to get what you need and what you want, but at the same time, we're we're not out of balance of what's going on on your street to your neighbors, to the community, and all that kind of stuff. So, I think before
we start redesigning the driveway, let's start talking a little bit more about your setbacks, your garage, what you're removing, what it's going to look like, um what happens to the rest of the houses in the neighborhood. Um for instance, um I go up and down that block
quite often. My friend used to live up on uh on the corner, George and Barbara Mesco. Um, and if you look at the continuity of the homes that are there on your side of the block, they're somewhat in line, right? They're not budding out. on the opposite side when
you come down from the bank. It's a little bit different because there's some newer things going on in that side until you to get to that one house that I'm sure didn't go to the permit department, but the house has a breezeway that connects the garage with
a driveway in a horseshoe drive. And I know that doesn't fall into the criteria for sure. So, uh, what we don't want to do as the board, as the burrow, or whatever we are at this point is to make matters worse. We want to make them
better. So if we take a look at your plan and we figure out how we can make it work as a team rather than rather than uh a denial or an approval, but let's say rather
than a denial, maybe kind of going back to the drawing board a little bit and taking a look at what may be able to be looked at as a compromise. Mr. the maldi >> to that point and you're right. I I jumped to the thing in the front of the building. His garage right now is 3 and
1/2 ft off the property line. It's there. It's not ideal. Um he's bettering that nonconforming by moving it over. But for us to call a garage, it has to be wide enough.
Exactly. Um, so going from a non-conforming three and a half to a non-conforming four. So he is trying to better it. Um, but I may point out factually
a detached garage has a 3T 7. So that is conforming. >> So the detached garage presently is conforming. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Well, so that's okay. A principal structure has to have a fight for setback and that's the
variances as well. But in perception there's a building that's only 3 and 1/2 ft away from the property line. Now there's going to be a building that's four feet of property and um from Christian's uh calculation we
are going down in in we're going up in floor space but we are going down in imperous and I think even if you do the balancing act with widening the driveway it might still be there. So the look of the property, yes,
it's moving forward, but it's functional. The detached garage was what we did 50, 60 years ago. That is what we do today on these. So if I'm hearing you correctly, everybody correctly, you have a detached garage that is conforming
because it meets the 3-FFT criteria setbacks. But to his plan, he now wants to put an attached garage to his house, which does not conform because it doesn't meet the 5ft setback on the sideyard setback to the south, which
would really need 5 foot, which would make this a lot easier than what it is now. >> Plus, it's not just a garage. You've got residential above it. So, the whole residential use >> above that is within the 5 ft section.
So that footprint carries all the way up. It would have to come back. And then we also have the encroachment to the front of the house. And that's what we should be talking about to figure that out. Again, I think the front encroachment is a a beautifification and a betterment to
the neighborhood and to the house. I'd like to see them on the rest of the street. >> The problem is the ordinance. I can I know this is not regarding the setback, but I'm just really confused about how you're not going to address the HVAC. I
mean, how are you going to heat and cool the the addition the rooms? I just can't wrap my head around that. Like, >> uh, it would just be the bedroom and then your bathroom, >> right? But you have to change the
heating and air conditioning unit to accommodate the space. Uh, from what I I'm not right now, but they said that a 3 ton downstairs was sufficient for that. >> Is that what you currently have? >> I'm sorry. >> You currently have a three ton. You're just going to >> I do. It was upgraded from the 2.5.
>> So, it's as as the house sits now, you have two zones. >> I have two zones. A 2.5 >> and they're both on the side of the house existing. >> I'm sorry. >> They're both existing on the side of the house. >> Both existing on the side of the house. >> So, you have a 2.5 downstairs and a three and a three upstairs. >> Upstairs. Yes.
So, so it'll accommodate. >> Okay. >> So, placement that's there. We don't have to move that at this point. It's it's already in its position. >> Part of this application. >> Anyone else? >> I'm just curious how how like I just don't see how the impervious goes down
by that much where it's almost like >> would you feel how it's done? because we had the existing uh garage where it was and we had the impervious driveway that went all the way up into into the black top of the driveway was
>> the black top of the driveway getting covered by the addition. So that's still has storm water, >> but the old garage is coming down. The old garage is coming down. >> So that's a 200. >> No reduction. I mean reduction is gone, but the impervious
is just going from driveway to building all that. >> So the math works the math as long as the math works. It works like >> um are you redesigning any of the patio in the back? >> It's all coming out. I was just saying
all those papers are coming out coming out. >> Okay. I was going to ask that because did you um >> because it doesn't look like the pergola or the pool are conforming. >> Um well definitely they're definitely
not. >> What's that? >> They are being moved out. >> You're I I'm maybe I'm not up to speed. You're removing the pool. >> Yeah. It's all coming out. >> That pool is coming out. >> Yeah. Okay. So that makes a lot of sense. >> Okay. All right. And it's all good. >> So the pool and the pergola are coming
out >> and the papers >> and the papers. >> And no pool going back. No pool going back. Soccer. >> Exactly. >> Pave paper blocks or surface. That's going to be grass. >> Grass. And the pool's going to come out.
That's going to be grass. >> Grass. >> So that increases even more not and the pool. increases. >> They're considered impervious. >> No, I understand. >> They're built right onto the property line. They're not supposed to be. >> Well, we don't know how they got there,
>> right? >> You would not approve it today. >> That sheds a different light on a lot of what we're looking at here today. Board members, what else you have? Okay, Kevin. Board members have discussed some of this. Go on.
>> Everybody's got their questions in. Okay. Um before you can we talk about the um elevation floor please. Go ahead. >> So just to um you're redoing the siding and doing going with upgrading the Hardy. Yes. Is that what I all
watch? Yes. Right. Not >> okay. All right. Um so okay. So I guess that would be important to know you know as far as what we're seeing on these plans. The um it's going to be a clapboard.
It's either you're hoping for Hardy, could be um could be vinyl and but the whole everything's getting refreshed, right? >> Okay. If you go all the way around the house, will >> I'm sorry. Uh Frank.
>> Yeah. In line with what we're seeing on these plans. All right. You have anything else? Any other questions from the board? May I go through the summary um with the applicant?
>> Well, I have one more question before you go through this. >> All yours in order to keep consistent with the uh ordinance with a little bit of give and take. Would you consider reducing that
structure by a foot, that garage structure by a foot to meet that sideyard setback of 5 ft? >> And what does that do to your plan and your structure and your car and everything else? >> So I didn't look Mr. Baldi, did you look
into that at all? >> Well, you have right now from the property line to the existing building is 14.85 85. You take 4 ft for the wall, it's 10. You take some structure,
your the overall from inside, you're looking closer to nine. So, you're going to have a garage door basically bun up to the existing. It's it's a bit of pressure. Yeah. >> You won't be able to use the garage.
More than likely, you won't be able to use the garage as parking space. You really need to park. >> It's It's just right at the minimum right now. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I had to ask a question. Right. >> I guess
anybody else? Okay. We We see that that that it's not because you're not willing to do it. it it can't get done structurally because you can't gain access to the garage. That's that's how we'll address that. Go ahead.
>> So, please the board um perhaps the applicant would care to discuss the uh the the master plan and the required proofs please the board. >> Mhm. >> So, Mr. which has the uh
rural master plan which guides all of our actions. Excuse me. Has a couple of goals in it talking about residential development. Uh there at the top of page three of my report. ensure that new
residential development is consistent with and compatible through existing neighborhood character and encouraging preservation and maintenance of all residential properties. Can you discuss how you think your applications
I'm sorry sir top of page three of my report there are two passages from the master plan. >> Yes. >> Okay. You see those? >> Yes. So can you discuss uh how you think
those passages are compatible or consistent with uh those passages from the measure and your application just looking at five very top page three ensure the new
residential development is consistent with and compatible to existing government encourage preservation and maintenance of all res. I would just say with these proposed uh things I think
it houses like it um I I didn't catch his name started to be very pleasing. I think uh I see a lot of houses coming up with all these types of uh renovations and whatnot. So I think from perspective
really nice. Again, I just want to emphasize red neutral pallet and um I'm going to drop down to item five a alpha number two. Um
I think as a planner that uh you would be saying that there's not a hardship based upon deciding lots that's not a hardship by itself but
this could be granted uh if you're advocating because the benefits of granting these variances outweigh any difference. Can you identify any detriments to this application to the neighborhood or to the burrow?
>> No, I did I I the front doors the stairs are existing already uh for that uh side guard. Um I I feel like it's required what's above it and the garage. Um I'm not sure what the minimum square footage of garage is,
but I I want to make sure it's there. >> It's got a fitted 9 by 18. So no, I don't think so. That's really okay. Do you see any negative impact to your neighbors or the bureau as a whole? I didn't give this application
reg. Mr. Chavez, if you wanted to summarize your application in any way or you rest and then we toss it back to the board that you guys Mr. Chairman.
Thanks. So, um before we go too far into more discussions, I think it would be prudent uh to open the uh meeting to the public and then come back to us so we could do
that. We get that out of the way. So, would someone make a motion here? >> I'll make a motion. >> Motion made by Mayor Carage, second by Mr. Mazio uh to open the meeting to the public. All in favor? >> Anyone from the public wishing to speak about this matter? Look at them all. They're getting a couple run.
>> Seeing none, >> motion to close. >> Mayor College, close the uh meetings uh to the public. Seconded by Mr. Mazio. All in favor? All right. We do that as a formality because there could be people here that would be against or for um uh
your application. Okay. So, now it's before the board. We heard your testimony. We heard the the engineer and the and the planner. Now, it's the board's job to figure out if um we think this application could be tweaked if uh
we think that this is going to be approved or denied. So, at this point, I'm going to need a little bit of help from the board on your thought processes, Mr. So, I just have one question. So, you're going to come out 5 ft for the new porch, right? Basically
on the existing house, correct? So the walkway is so tight that the car is up to the garage if you're climbing. There's going to be a walkway in front of the porch to get in. I didn't see it. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. All right. I missed that. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So disturbing. >> Yeah, I got it. It was >> I mean is can this probably be widened a couple feet? >> Can we make that?
>> I think we're allowed to make that a condition. >> Absolutely. >> The board is allowed to impose reasonable conditions on approval. >> So if we have 14.85 and we have to take the one clear spot
on the side from the property line that brings us to 13.85. And if you're needing 18, so we need about around 4t. Didn't you tell me that there was 19 ft
there? No, >> I was going side to side. 19 from front to back. >> Oh, okay. I misunderstood. Thank you. >> You can't scale that off the plan right now. >> No. >> Well, they don't show the they don't show the pool. Oh, that's that's the issue. >> If you look at the picture,
>> however, I think he's gone. >> I think he does. >> I think I think he's got it. But I think you can also maybe >> because how close the utility is to the curb, >> you can keep the driveway with and have it uh play out on the side and cover out
if need. So, we have another concern, right? I'll just wait. >> Gentlemen, we have another concern, right? Let's just say we do make it as a condition uh if we were to approve the application to increase the width of the
black top. Let's say we'll use a number 4T, right? >> Make it so it's works because even if you don't make the full apron because of the telephone pole, >> you can still sneak behind >> which where I was going with that, Mr. Galdi.
Let's just use it as a sport fee for now and we could widen it as it goes up towards the walkway or the front porch. But then that impacts another thing. Does the porch get shortened so you can have the walkway
because right now that's what I was getting at much very very clever with the picture is that one car is facing this way. One car is facing towards me. Now, he really doesn't have to do that if he pulls all the way to the right and the person can get out of the car in
between the two cars going this way. Correct, Mr. Chavez? But people getting out of that car on top of the grass where there have to be introduced a walkway on that side getting to the front porch. Correct. >> You follow me?
>> Yes, Mr. Pantina. >> So, >> yes, I did make a very good place. Right. >> Mr. Um >> yes you don't >> he has >> okay so short short short of moving the pole okay one
PSG and Verizon and their uh Mercy will move the pole and eliminate it. Yeah right. Okay so >> you got to wait a month of Tuesdays the curb opening the same and you move over uh the driveway you take the curb out
you widen the driveway whatever it takes. Okay so Mr. O'Brien was saying you needed a parking bar to two spaces >> for 29 by 18 spaces, but you can make this 18 ft and it'll stop at the front of the
porch. You don't have to reduce the size of the porch because if you open up this package, which I just realized that's in our package, um you got 19.77 ft from the front corner porch to the property line. And even if it's skewed, it goes
over 20 ft. You'll have 18 ft from the front of the porch. >> Okay. So, the person in the passenger seat, >> should there be a walkway to the right of that to get to that? >> Well, there's still a walkway in front of it. There there's a walkway being
from where the curb is now and going north for x amount of feet. Probably it's 30 ft. Probably uh 17 ft maybe to walk away. >> I don't I mean, I'm not going to read. What I'm just saying is that you have
this in your package. >> I But I don't have a >> No, I don't have the way for you. >> But I mean, like, we don't know. We don't know how much he's going to have to widen. But if you don't if if the board the board's in a position to
decide on the bearings for two 9 by8 spots. Okay. He doesn't have 9 + 9. He doesn't have 18 ft wide. He has 14.85 85 at the house. But if the 1485 he's got
to go three more feet or four more feet 4T into the grass, add four more feet of impervious. Probably a wash with the back coming out. >> Can I interrupt you for a second? >> Sure. >> I now have the survey in front of me. Right. The existing paved driveway is
14.85. >> Correct. And to the right of that, I see a proposed walkway that is touching the 14.85. Correct. >> Walkway. >> So shorten the walkway. >> Shorten the length of the walkway by X amount of feet. >> Mhm.
>> Don't shorten the porch because from the front of the porch to the rightway line is 19 >> is 19.77 ft from the north north property corner. Right. You see that? >> Right. You only need 9 by 18. So even if
you overh hang into the rightway, which realistically nobody's going to care. >> No, that works that way. >> But you know what I mean? >> No. No, that works. >> Mhm. >> I'm sorry. Thank you. >> It's easy now.
Sometimes when your kids graduate high school, >> sometimes it works. couple of towns. >> So with the conversation that we just had, Mr. Chavez does not need a parking variance if we make this
>> a condition that would be resolution widening. >> Yes. >> Okay. Mr. I just wanted Mr. Chavez to to know that um there are several builders,
engineers, and architects on the board in addition to our consultants. So, what you're hearing is not flipping a coin. These know what they're doing. I'm smart. There's nothing. So, the first thing uh that we talked to
you about today when you came in, Mr. Chavez was that the board is here to try to help you and walk you through these things, not to deny anyone except when it just doesn't work. However, we don't still don't know whether we're approving or denying this, but we're trying to
shake out the leaves as they say. So, right now, we worked out the driveway situation. We have to talk about is the board comfortable with the uh setback on the south side of the property being less than five and it's what? 4 foot.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So, I mean, I think if you if you look at the existing house and what we're proposing and especially with the um the pickup in um uh in or the reduction in impervious
and um the fact that along the lines of what Mr. Grimmaldi was saying before, there there was still a garage there. we're bringing it up, but it it expands that expands that elevation and by the addition of the front porch, I think it's an overall win. And I think that the the 1T setback variance on the
sideyard is a is a decent trade-off for that, especially if we're if we're if we've taken care of the drive the parking issue. The other plus is that where he's putting this, the neighbors driveway to the south is a driveway. It's not the 5ft setback, so you don't
feel like you're crammed. It has that feel of a wide open space. >> Any other questions? >> Okay. Because I just want to make sure for purposes of a resolution, if this is approved, the the language for the driveway, we're
going to widen it by not to exceed 4t is no at least at least ft to make the >> 4T we just say 18. 18 wide driveway. >> 18 wide driveway. We don't care if the cur the curve remains the same and I'm
assuming it's going to taper in or >> a minimum of 3.15 >> 18t wide driveway >> a minimum of 4.15 increase >> right >> okay
>> but that's also if Mr. Chavez agrees to that. >> Yes. >> Well, well, it's that versus a barren that I just want to highlight. >> It's pretty simple. We'll explain it to you. >> So, Mr. O'Brien,
>> is it from the curb to the house or not or whatever he wants to do as long as it meets the >> So, we don't know if it's from the curb to the house at this point because we know we need it 18 ft wide because we don't know where the pole sits. No, >> but the pole doesn't matter. under the picture that way anyway.
>> You're going to you're not going to change the curve opening of the driveway. >> Well, if you can, you can change the thing, but but you're not going to achieve the 4 ft. You should the bolt is within the 4T.
>> We can we say that to his people. Can we say that? Yeah, >> we would like the curve opened up as much as we can fe feasibly can to accommodate the 18, but the 18 wide should be from the 1 ft set back to the
neighbor 18 ft over. >> So, so what you would say is you would say that the driveway has to be wide enough to accommodate 18 ft plus 1 ft offset, which is 19 ft total on the southern property. >> I like that. >> So, aesthetically, how's it going to look? We're going to wind that driveway.
There's going to be a pole there and the porch is coming out, right? You're going to be five more feet in the front. In front, right? Is that going to How's it going to look? It's going to look good aesthetically. Is that going to look good? I mean, it's not going to look bad. I I fall ap
trying to say like, are you going to be happy with that? I would love to keep that Belgium block there because when you look at it from the street, it continues with the house lines. Um, is this a municipal municipal? >> Yeah.
>> So, if you can keep it at the curb and then open it this way. >> more. I would like I would like I would like to just create order because there's four conversations going on at one time.
So, um, gentlemen and everyone here, we have to have one conversation at a time. You're I and and it's very important because we can't get this for her to listen to. So, Mayor, you were saying something first. >> I was I was saying that I think that if
he can, he should widen the driveway um along the street line. I think what we have established that we would we will put as a condition if it can be done >> he can widen the curb to the north as much as he can that's allowable
>> maintaining 18 ft from that 1 ft step back towards the neighbor from the neighborhood north and south we'll iron that out for you Mr. Mald that you were having a conversation here. >> Would you like to share? >> He was he was he had brought up that he was trying to maintain. You're trying to maintain this building block.
>> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. That's just by by the evidence that the professionals brought up that we have to have the one foot side back and then the driveway that building block is either that or you have this
areas or I just got you can put go in here with on the new We do it again. >> Okay. >> Now, we heard you guys, we need to Mr. Ladani was completely, >> you know, but your question really wasn't answered yet. And you asked, "How is that going to look?" And we just
said, "Well, it will look great. It'll look okay." But if he takes that Belgian block and he makes that curl to come up as a defining or a deliation between the grass and the black top and he gets creative with that concrete walkway, I
think it's too old. >> Modi, as somebody's thinking that my driveway goes up right to my porch just like this, it doesn't look good. >> It looks good. Uh, who was next? Nick,
question. I feel like I'm motion 25. >> All right, Mr. Chris. >> No, I was >> Are you yielding to Nick today? >> Don't point that thing. It has a nail on it. >> Mr. Chas Chavez had asked, "What is the meaning
of a variance? What does it mean?" So, I'm confirming that to you. Okay. >> I know that you >> I didn't hear that. >> Okay. >> Because everyone was talking, Mr. know what a bar is and why it needs white. >> Can I make something up? >> That gets me out of 4830.
>> Yeah, that >> a variance means that a variance is required when you're proposing something that does not meet the application. >> In this case, your setbacks don't meet the variances have got to be approved
for that for the application to go forward. So you guys, >> it's fun. You asked about the parking >> and before we started talking about this and I said, "Mr. O'Brien, sure tell you what if you needed the parking bearings and why it would be such a big deal."
Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. >> If the board imposed a reasonable condition of requiring widening the driveway, any parking variance would not be needed, which is a win. But if you need a parking var
that would be >> So that's parking variances 101 variances for your approval for denial as you wish. >> And with that being said, I will we're going to move on and we're going to tell I'm going to explain one more thing to
you. any conditions or anything that this board um complies with or you need to comply with, you will not be able to get your CL unless all that conditions are met. So, you can't just go ahead. That's part of our package that that you
will need to have that portion of the driveway if you agree that you want to do that as part of this application. You must have it done before your CF. We've done this before with other similar type applications. >> Okay. With that being said, we have uh
in front of us one condition on the table right now and that is to widen the driveway to 18 ft >> plus 1T plus one >> plus that 1 ft on the other side. >> Right. And we also have as much of the
curve that you could take out as possible. and um >> to the north basement not to be used >> and the basement not to be used as a bedroom >> unless you come back before the board to
do something like that and um you also made a statement that there'll be no new pool or anything in the yard. You're removing all of that. That's part of the plan. Okay. Is there a motion to approve this application? board may wish a couple of other
questions. >> Board may wish to consider a couple of other items. >> Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't know there was more. I'm not here. >> If you wish. >> Yeah. No, please. Uh please do. >> The applicant uh will attempt will contact public service and ask them to
move forward to make life easy and he will provide the board with their response. >> Is that a condition? Because then if they say they'll move it in six years, >> I don't want them to hold off at this project. >> All right. How about the condition is
that the applicant contact public service and provide us with some evidence that he contacted me either an email or a note or something like that. >> Can I ask a question then before we go through this? That pole there, is that
your pole service coming into your house? So that means they would have to move that pole left, right, or whatever or whatever they deem necessary and then they would have to run that service back to his house. >> They can move it to the one foot buffer.
>> Well, that's crossing. >> I don't think that needs to be I only mention it because the board expressed concern. If the board wishes the applicant to try to move it, you can ask them to or we can just leave it alone. >> I think the chairman is going to ask the
board members to leave it alone because you're never going to get done. You're never going to get >> Well, you can ask, but that's not your >> ask if you wish, but we're not going to make it a condition. There's a transformer on that pole. There's a lot going on. >> There's a lot going on.
>> There's the poll. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Chairman, there was one other thing mentioned whether you wish to make it a condition or not. >> Yes, >> Mr. Chavez did mention that he was going to resign the entire house. >> If you want to make that a condition as opposed to just doing the side of the
front, >> the entire house, that's up to you. >> Well, yeah, that was in his testimony. So, it should is it is not on the plan that he is siding the whole house. No one saw that. >> I was going to I was going to make that condition not >> substantially consistent. That's very
common. your addition and the rest of the remaining house should be consistent in terms of Mr. Charlie. Are you going to reside the whole house? You going to take it down to it? Put it in as a condition and he will have it. That's it. New signing throughout. >> It says new signing throughout.
It's not a condition. >> Not a condition. Take it out. >> I would rent. Anyone else have more question? Just know you're not like renting this into your family or anything like that. Okay. Thank you. He's poking out kids two and
three. We're going to make a condition. Okay. So, you heard the conditions. You're comfortable. Is there a motion? Someone want to make this motion? Motion made by Mayor Kovich, second by Mr. Grimmaldi. Roll call, please. >> Mayor Cerbridgeidge. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Berno, >> yes. >> Mr. Clinty, >> yes. >> Mr. Pantina, >> yes. >> Mr. Mazio, >> yes. >> Mr. Lowi, yes. >> Mr. Coll, yes. >> And Mr. Galdi, >> that was painless. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. board and uh you're going to provide after
that mayor. Mr. Chalice, if I may question. >> Yeah. Okay. If I may, um, I just want to say on behalf of myself and the board, thank you for staying in Kworth and making this your home. Um, we're very proud of our small little town that we
call home. And, uh, we wish you a lot of luck with your your addition and your family and everything that you're doing over there. And I'm sure it's going to be beautiful. >> And the new baby and you're welcome. You have a merry Christmas. Merry Christmas.
>> Any uh comments for the one question. Um we have all these variances. We're working on a master plan. We seem to be like always giving in on these variances. And I know it's it's a personal property and all of that stuff, but you're okay. You get two and three variances. Four variances on
that. You know, >> that's why it's part of her job. You brought this way, but you're reducing this one. I look at it as you reduced it. That house, it's like it's it's like a toothpick stuck standing out there. So,
he as a homeowner is stuck. He you know, he can improve the backyard, but the only way to improve the backyard is by getting a garage of overall particular case. You know, >> I know it's just in your case, but it seems like we're lately.
Well, I think your spot is unique if I may and make the bird approve and if you disagree with it, >> I Yeah, I will. I for sure. >> So again, I think you're spot on. Um, however, when it becomes the residential
side and not the commercial and industrial side, I think there may be a little bit more leniency to try to make things, you know, >> more lenient for sure. It's more lenency and I will tell you in the front yard. Yeah. Yeah. >> I will tell you that prior to coming
here tonight, these were all the things why I was going to deny this application. >> And then listening to the board, listening to everybody pan it out. I swayed my decision based on the professionalism in the board. Disney
World I said I'm not thing was huge. >> Yeah. The pool and the parking lot like Disney World. So that's a good thought. Okay. No more comments. Okay. That was the comments for the good report of July. >> Okay. Someone want to make a motion to open the meeting to the public?
>> I'll make a motion. >> Okay. A motion made by Mayor College, second by Mr. Mazio. All in favor? >> Anyone from the public wishing to speak? Seeing no one? >> Motion. >> Motion made by Mayor College, second by Mr. Mazio. All in favor? >> Okay. Before we adjourn, I do want to
make a comment for the good of the board uh or a comment to everyone. I wish you all a merry Christmas, a happy new year, healthy, happy, lovely, prosperous, all of the above. And I can't thank you enough for being your chairman, uh, for
running these meetings. And right up until tonight, I've learned something else again that this is no one man, one woman's job. Without all of you, it doesn't work. And that's why I expressed exactly what you said tonight, Tony. Are we being a little lenient? Well, I came
in here with a full denial before I record and you can see it. So, I I appreciate it. So, thank you and merry Christmas to all. >> Merry Christmas everyone. >> Merry Christmas. >> Happy New Year. >> Good morning to >> Now, is there a motion to adjourn?
>> Motion made by Mr. Clemente, second by Mr. Klo. All in favor? >> Is there a motion to go to Lillia for cocktails and linguini? really massage it nicely with the applicants. I've seen boards try to power these things through and the
applic Heat. Heat.