I am making this announcement in compliance with the open code public meeting act being chapter 231 public law 1975 laws of the state of New Jersey. The planning board secretary has prepared a schedule of the meeting of this planning board of the burrow of Kennallorth for
the year 2026 and has posted a true copy of this schedule on the bulletin board located at the front entrance of Burrow Hall and has mailed true copies of this schedule to the local source in the Star Ledger and is maintaining a copy of this schedule in Burough Hall. Accordingly,
the notice requirements of the Open Public Meetings Act have been satisfied in regards to this meeting. Can we stand for the pledge of allegiance? >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Roll call. >> Mr. here. >> Mayor >> here. >> Councilman >> here. >> Mr. David >> here. >> Mr. Ki >> here.
>> Mr. Mazio >> here. >> Mr. Lady, >> Mr. Scary >> here. >> And Mr. Koli >> here. >> Okay. Is there a motion to approve the minutes of uh March 24th, 26?
>> Motion. >> Motion made by Mr. Scaderi, seconded by Mr. Ladi. All in favor? Okay. Kathy, are there any communications? >> Yes. Um, I want to acknowledge that today we received 42 emails expressing
uh opinions to the proposed port data center. That's under correspondence. And we received notification from the Department of Community Affairs advising that Daniel Koli successfully completed the mandatory planning board training course.
>> Okay. Congratulations, Mr. and duly noted on the correspondence. Okay. Uh what we have in front of us tonight is a um well before we go there we have a bit of a discussion for the uh
master plan that we talked about in our workshop. So uh what do you want to do? You want to um do we need Mr. Demarco? Do we need to vote on getting that going for the 19th? I believe it was. No, that's just a calendar event. So, you
don't need to actually that just get scheduled and noticed. >> Okay. So, Mr. David, for the record, why don't we just tell the public what we're doing on the 19th? >> Yeah. Well, let me start by saying the the board discussed the draft master plan in work session. um full board
members who were not part of the master plan committee um were given drafts in advance of this evening and advancements um copies of of the plan before this evening and were asked to make any comments or questions they might have um
on the plan before we finalize the documents. So that took place again at the work session. There were no um questions or comments. So from there the um the board decided that we will um well let me step back first the master plan committee will be meeting um on May
5th at 5:30 for our final review um and then we the board is setting a public public hearing date of May 19th at 7 p.m. um on the master plan. the master plan itself once the the final document
is ready will be um posted on Burough's website uh at least 10 days before the public hearing. So for anyone in the public who would like to um take a look at it, review it, whatever um in advance of a public hearing, you should have the
ability to do that. Um just uh our uh our planner Kevin O'Brien who worked with the committee over several years um to get this document to where it is today is here during the work session.
He gave a brief overview of what the master plan is. And it's it's somewhat different than the current master plan in that the old master plan was more or less a single document. the new master plan is broken down into 11 elements.
Um, so Mr. O'Brien, if you could just give a very brief synopsis of the master plan and and maybe just touch base on what the 11 elements are and then we'll we'll wrap it up. >> Uh, very good, Mr. Chair,
chairman of the committee, chairman of the board. My name is Kevin O'Brien. I served as burough planner here for 30 years and I am finishing up the master plan. Our new burough planner and engineer doing a wonderful job. I commend them on how well they're doing.
Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be replaced by great people. Uh we are finishing the master plan as we've said the land use element of course is the core of the master plan. Uh we also have other elements including community facilities, recreation, sustainability,
conservation, circulation, climate change, economic, historic preservation, recycling and utilities. In addition to that, there is also an approved housing alone. It was adopted last year. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, sir.
>> Thank you, sir. >> That's it. So, just to close out that segment, I just want to again uh say what a great job that Kevin O'Brien and Adam and and all the members that put the master plan together and uh we're looking forward to getting this done at
19. So, congratulations. Nice job. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Okay. So, what we have next is application 26. up. What we have coming up is application 260002,
but we need to discuss a format of how this meeting is going to be run. So, I put some things together for the planning board, the mayor, governing body, our uh members of the uh the
engineer, the attorney, and the um planner and the public. so we can all follow a format. So what we have be in front of us tonight is a preliminary and final major subdivision to divide the
partial of land into four different lots. This is a subdivision application and no site plan proposed or will or will it be discussed at this meeting. So to repeat
that, all we are doing here this evening is to listen to testimony about subdividing this parcel of land. We will not discuss anything that's not applicable to the subdivision.
Any proposed site plans will need to come before this board for review and approval at a later date. There will be a time and place for that as well. the public will have the opportunity to ask questions and or provide comment on the
proposed use at that time. So, I'm making it clear. I know there's a lot of people from the public here, but I want to be sure you're in the right forum. This is only to divide the land
in order of what we have to do. So we are all on the same pl on the same page and it's a matter of record. Any member of this board that has any type of interest in this property needs to recuse themselves. So I don't see anyone
having to do that at this time. The board chairman will ask the applicant and his team to come and present their application. Our board attorney will swear in their ex swear in their experts before they have any testimony provided
to us so you all understand the procedure of what's going on here. Once the testimony is complete, I will then open it up to the board professionals. The board professionals are the engineer, the planner and the attorney.
They are the people that get asked the questions and answers to the applicant and their professionals. And then we have to open that dialogue to the board members. Then we will open it up to the public
for their comment. I'm sorry, for their questions and or comments. at that time. We'll see how that goes. There are a few rules here that need to be followed with that. Please note, I'm going to say it again. Please note that this is a formal
proceeding. This is a quasi judicial meeting and all partic participants shall act accordingly. Next, all questions shall be directed to the applicant's professionals and shall
be based upon their testimony. The board respect respectfully asks the audience to listen to other members of the public's questions so that repeated questions can be limited to the maximum
extent possible. So, if someone from the public says, "Is the sky blue? Is the sky blue? Is the sky blue? We've heard it three times. The attorney will ask you to move on. All comments and testimony shall be
directed to the board through the chair. That would be me. I am the chairman of the board. I will then direct that however it needs to go at that particular time. This way there is no crossfire. Maybe somebody has a thought in the
middle section or somebody up here wants to answer the question. That's not happening. We are going to follow the quorum. Public comments will be limited to a reasonable time 3 minutes. This is what
we normally do. However, we need to remain respectful relevant to the application that we are here to listen to. No decision will be based on information outside of what is presented
on the record on the record during this meeting. So, I'm going to say it one more time. No decision will be based on information outside of what is presented on the record during this meeting. I'm
sure you understand that. We ask that all electronic devices be silenced and that everyone conduct themselves in a respectful professional manner so that the board may complete its work efficiently. Thank you very much. I hope we can
follow these very simple rules. We are now going to hear application 2602 core incorporated major subdivision 2000 Galloping Hill Road block 182 block 10002 Mr. Heck. Yes, good evening, Mr. Chairman, board members, board
professionals, and members of the public. Steven Hail representing the applicant, Torweave, and thank you, Mr. Chairman, for that explanation. Yes, we are here this evening for a four lot subdivision to divide the property that Corweavves owns into four separate parcels. Uh, as the chair has noted,
there is no site plan included in this application, so there's no improvements. If in the future there is going to be further development of the property that would be on a site plan application on notice and a public hearing at that time. Uh we also so what our plan is
this evening is to call upon our uh surveyor to take us through that the subdivision plan and that's going to be the the limit of our presentation. We have received the reports from your board professionals and we don't have any problem complying uh with any of
those terms and conditions and will add obviously under the redevelopment plan the use uh present use of the property as a data center is probed use. That issue is not before the board this evening just the subdivision. And also
there is no variance relief that's uh requested or required as part of dividing this property into four parcels. It's totally conforming and again we have no problem with the the comments that uh your board professionals have made. So with that as
an overview uh I'd like to call upon our uh professional Matt see the best spot to go to. I'm gonna be call upon Matt Sipple from Langan Engineering, professional land surveyor to take us through the division of the property.
>> The mark um would you swear the testimony about shall be the truth? >> Yes. >> Thank you, sir. >> Okay. Mr. simple. If you could please provide the board and members of the public with your your background, license, and call, whether you qualified
as professional land surveyor before the board's import state of New Jersey. >> Thank you, Stephen. Good evening, board. So, uh, my name is Matthew Sipple. I'm a licensed professional land surveyor, state of New Jersey. Graduated 2009 from NJIT, licensed in 2012.
Um since that time I presented a few uh front of a dozen boards uh city of New York Elizabeth Park Carney been accepted as an expert. Um I provided testimony related to subdivisions very similar to this one. My license is current. I
recently just updated April 30th is the cut off for >> I think the board is satisfied with your credentials. Can you please spell your last name? uh simple s i p l e >> s i p l e p >> thank you Mr. Simple you could continue
>> and uh so Mr. Simple obviously uh well familiar with the project here if you could take board members of the public and board professionals through the proposed subdivision. I know you have a a mounted version of the plan and >> I have I have reduced exhibits so I do have some exhibits
It's pull back. Just make sure Okay. So, yeah. So, so this here is exhibit A. This is a cleaned up copy of the subdivision plan. There are a lot of utilities and a lot of other required
information. So, to simplify this, I decided to create, you know, just a an exhibit showing existing conditions. So this entire parcel was previously owned by Merc and a few years ago they had sold it to another firm which at or at
the beginning of last year we did a subdivision which created these two lots. So this application is only for the lots that are not shaded. The shaded lots are currently owned by somebody else and not application. So we have kind of an oddly shaped lot
but that's sort of based on the existing conditions out there. uh when Burke owned the entire property, they had a lot of projects. They built a lot of buildings. They have courtyards, utilities, and these prop a lot of these property lines were designed around those utilities and courtyards and sidewalks.
So, what we're proposing to do is take this single lot right here, which is 35 acres, almost 36 acres, and divide it into four separate lots, all conforming size, but four separate
lots for future purposes. >> And uh so that we want to mark both sides A and then and Bides B. Okay. >> So, this is exhibit B. Exhibit B is a proposed configuration where instead of one single lot, we now have four four
lots. >> And as indicated at the outset, there are no site improvements proposed at this time in connection with this subdivision. >> Correct. This is just for the land, just for separating the parts of the land. >> And this again is a variance-free application. It meets all requirements
of the redevelopment plan and applicable zoning. >> Yes. >> Okay. And we touched upon it. I indicated in my opening that you've received the the reports from both center and Mary Dir and HDA from MA. Uh
you had an opportunity to review those reports. I know they're technical in nature. Any problem complying or agreeing to all of those terms and conditions? >> No, no problems complying to all of those. >> Okay. And again, just briefly touch on are there technical in nature? Is that >> they're very technical in nature? Yes.
>> Okay. That will not impact the the subdivision plan itself. >> No. Yeah, it's very technical in nature. Most have to do with uh certain items on the zoning table and property corners. There were a couple property corners that were inaccessible for setting. So,
>> not to simplify, Mr. Chairman, but that's the extent of our application uh this evening for the four lot conforming subdivision. >> Okay. That's all you have now to help. >> Yep. Correct. >> Okay. Um we would talk to our
professionals um with questions. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um >> excuse me. I'm sorry. I think we need to have uh you guys sworn in tonight. >> Okay. Uh you Darren and Thank you. afraid to
tell the truth. The truth the truth. >> I do. >> I do. >> Thank you. You can proceed. I'm sorry. >> No, that's okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, as Mr. H said, our office had uh provided a memo dated March 13,
20, sorry, dated April 24th, 2026. Um, the application was deemed to be capable of being deemed complete on March 13th. Uh, the applicant is requesting about five um application checklist items, wavers. Uh given the
type of application, we uh our office has no objection before granting those wavers to deem them complete. Um and uh other than that, as testified today, there were some technical clarifications that we needed in our memo and Mr.
Cipple has provided that they will be compliant with that. >> They were satisfied. >> Yes. Thank you. Anything else? >> Board my uh the engineering review letter went out April 24th, 2026. Mr. Sipple said that he would address all
comments. The one question I did have, he did address in his testimony of why certain property corners weren't set as part of the last application, but it seems like they were not accessible. So, I just asked that the owner make his best effort to get to those property corners set as part of the subdivision.
>> Okay. Is that all you have, Mr. Massie? >> That's it. >> Okay. So, um, from what I heard from everybody right now, there is a clean application. There's no waiverss, there's no hardships, nothing like that.
It's just a subdivision. Correct. Okay. Um, at this point, I think, uh, we're we're basically going to open this to the public. >> Okay. Okay, I'll make a motion that the hearing be open to the public. Comments
and questions. >> So move. >> Uh the uh motion was made by Mr. David, seconded by Mr. Lagati. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Anyone from the public wishing to
speak on this subdivision and this subdivision only, please come up to the microphone, state your name, your address, spell your last name for the record. Seeing none,
no one from the public wishes to speak. Okay, I make a motion to >> Oh, sorry, sir. I I I saw you. I didn't see I I saw you go back and forth. >> Sorry, I was confused because I thought this meeting would be about the data center itself, not the subdivision. >> No, that's why I tried to make it
>> Excuse me. Excuse me. We're going to create order at the beginning of the meeting. I stated exactly why we were here. This way you could understand it was also posting for the data center. >> Sir, sir, stop. >> First and foremost, state your name and
your address. >> Okay. My name is Timic. I live in Springfield Town as you guys know. >> Okay. >> When will be >> Can you spell your last >> Why? >> We need it for the record. >> Okay. B O B I C I C. Okay.
>> Can you answer my question? >> What's your What's your question? >> You didn't hear it. Okay. When will the meeting for the data center be? >> So that's Mr. >> Yeah. So an application for the site plan for the data center has not been
filed because one has not been filed. There is no needed set. >> Let me ask you something. All the news reports are saying construction. Is that accurate? >> I know there's construction on >> Wait. Is there construction on the data center itself or just construction? >> I'm not the contractor, sir.
>> Does anybody know, >> sir? I I I'm going to ask you to do >> if there's people talking in the background, I'm going to ask you one more time. We don't need to have a push and pull. I know your concerns. I
understand why you're here, but just hear me one time. We are here for a subdivision. We're not here to talk about are they putting soda bottles or water bottles on the property. We're not here to talk about anything but Excuse me. We are here to talk about
subdividing the property. When the applicant, if they so choose, decides to come before the board, it will be noticed. They'll tell you when and they will tell you what. But right now, we don't have that information. If what?
And that's why I said we're here to discuss the subdivision, sir. >> Okay. So, you don't know if they started building. It's it they they can't build anything according to this application. There's nothing there's nothing going on with
this application, sir. >> Just the subdivision. >> They're ripping up all the streets. >> Excuse me, ma'am. We will not have You will have a turn to talk if you like, but we need to stay controlled. This forum here tonight is for a subdivision.
Nothing else. Nothing else. You may have thoughts in your head. what you think, what you see, what you don't, but it's not here tonight. Sir, >> can I get it on the record? You stated that they did not start building for the D. >> I'm saying that this application before
us is for a subdivision on the record. Has nothing to do what they are going to do with that future subdivision tonight. When they decide to do what they want to do, sir, they will come file an application and I think you
should come back then. And how will we be alerted? >> Well, it's posted. Everything is on the website. We the same way you learned about it tonight. >> I have to learn through social media before this is happening. >> Well, well be before we all do that again.
Okay. >> They are there is an application that is filed then it is posted and how many days is that ahead of time, Kathy? before the meeting that they're going to
be approved. It's going to be at least 10 days before the meeting where you're going to be hearing. >> Can I ask if Core Weave is a data center company? >> I can't answer any of those questions, sir. I'm here tonight to tell you that they're here.
>> I'm here tonight one more time to tell you all that this is a subdivision and we will not talk about anything else tonight. When that time comes, sir, you're going to have your Dane here to ask every question that you want, but it's not tonight.
>> Okay? >> It's it's it's it's typical to going to the um candy store and ordering a porter house steak. It's not tonight. This is not the forum. I'm sorry that you're here and you thought it was something else, but you're going to have your chance to speak. >> You you will I mean, you can speak now
about this, but >> I don't know anything about that, but now >> Okay. And and I can appreciate that. All right. >> But it's just a subdivision. I'm taking a piece of land, cutting it up into four pieces, and that's it. >> Okay. Well, that takes up my time. >> Thank you, sir. >> Anyone else from the public wishing to
speak? All right. We have a lot of hands. Can we start here? >> Patricia Fugitive on Sixth Street, Henorth. You are trying to tell us that we're all here today for four pieces of property and nothing is
accepted. Nothing is planned on this property. Am I correct at this point? >> You heard the testimony of the >> not correct. Yes. >> You heard the testimony of the attorney and you heard the testimony of the chairman of the board that is telling
you on the record that all we're here is subdividing the land. nothing else. >> There's no >> If you're just dividing the land, the property we're alone isolated to know about.
>> Then why are you digging up dirt? Why are you >> ma'am? I'm going to caution you, Mr. DeMarco. You cannot speak to whatever they're doing out there. All we are talking about, >> do you do you understand the procedure here? whatever they want and they're
going to slam us and say, "Oh, well, now we're going to put this on. We already >> can can we do this? Can we do this >> tonight? We're here to subdivide the property." >> In in the future when they decide to
come back and talk about what they're going to do, all of you should come back and talk about it then. >> It's too late. >> Nothing. Nothing gets done nothing gets
done without an approval. Nothing gets done without an approval. So, I'm going to I'm going to stop this dialogue because what we I feel like it's getting churned up. I'm going to say it for all of you one more time so we can all understand it. We're here to divide the
property. That's it. We're not saying, "Hey, go and put a ferris wheel out there." They're not allowed. They can't do anything but divide the property. They're going to take some strength. >> People come in builders with nothing. Excuse me, not builders. All these giant cranes and everything that
>> has nothing to do with this application, ma'am. That has nothing I have to caution you. That has nothing to do with this application. Please. It has nothing to do with ma'am. >> This board's jurisdiction, what it's
talking about tonight is only what was noticed, right? The only application, the only topic that the applicant the property owner for we asked for this board was for approval to allow it to subdivide the property.
>> So the property subdivided >> all they asked for of this board tonight is for approval to subdivide the property. That's all they asked. They did not ask for any use, size, scope or
anything. So all this board is limited to what was asked of this board. That's the applicant that came in. Okay. So the board is restricted from commenting or doing other things. >> We are here tonight, right? >> We are looking just like you are to the
future. >> Yeah. >> So you're digging up dirt. >> I'm This board is not digging up any dirt. >> You're dig Well, what's out there bringing up all that? >> The property owner is doing >> There's people out there with equipment built in dirt. >> Okay. You keep saying that we and we are
not digging up dirt. We are here. >> You allowed somebody to go. If somebody came on my property and dug up dirt, I'd say, "What the hell are you doing on my property?" >> Okay. Okay. Okay. We're done. We're done. I I
don't want to be rude. Your three minutes is up. I'm sure somebody else will come up and probably reiterate the same thing. But when you come up, you have to understand we are only here to subdivide the property. So if you want to hear the same thing over and over, that's what we're going to tell you.
We're only here to subdivide the property. Thank you very much. Your time is up, ma'am. >> Three minutes. Um, my name is Britney Rosa. >> I'm sorry, ma'am. I can't hear you. Could you please speak up? >> Britney Lar Rosa. >> Yes. >> L A R O SA. Um, I'm a resident. Um, I'm
here to express concerns specifically about the applicant's proposal to subdivide the property into four lots. Um, >> um, I am here to express concern specifically about the applicant's proposal to sub subdivide the property
into four lots. My concern is that the subdivision appears to be more than just a technical change. It effectively effectively breaks one large development into multiple smaller parcels. This raises the question whether the
true of whether the true scale or impact of the overall pro sorry project is being segmented in a way that avoids stricter oversight. This is if this were to be evaluated as a single unified project, the board and
the public would be able to fully assess the cumulative impacts by dividing it into four lots. There's a risk that each portion is reviewed in isolation rather than as part of a larger coordinated development. I would like clarification from the applicant on why this
subdivision is necessary and whether it is being used to facilitate phased approvals, future expansions, or separate variances that might not be otherwise be granted if the project remain whole. Additionally, subdividing the property may allow for incremental
development over time, making it difficult for the board and residents to fully understand and evaluate the long-term impacts on the community, including infrastructure, noise, and land use consistency. Zoning and subdivision rules exist to ensure
transparency and proper planning. If the end of if the end result is effectively one large data center complex, then it should be reviewed and regulated as such, not divided into small components that may understate its true scope. For these reasons, I respectfully ask the
board to carefully scrutinize the purpose and consequence of this subdivision and consider whether the application should be evaluated as a single comprehensive development rather than multiple separate lots. Thank you for your time. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE? Please state your name and and spell your last name for the record, please. I'm sorry. >> And address, I'm sorry. >> Emma N8. Um, and my question is for you. Um, >> for who? Mayor.
>> Oh, Mayor Povich, I'm sorry. >> Um, I would like to know if there is no Well, proposed this is not so much a question answer. >> If there is no proposed use for the park, why are you on Facebook talking about it as if it's fact?
AND I I JUST FOR THE RECORD, I would like to say that we what we are doing right now is participating in democracy and the attitude of everyone here as though it is this condescending attitude as though it is what I'm going to have to step in here.
First of all, I am also a resident of this town and you are not and I am very concerned. >> Let's let's let's just let's just let's just let's just let's just bring it down a notch and you and I can have a little
bit of a dialogue. Nothing gets done at this board level without the proper application, without the proper material that's brought in front of us, without everything being the way it's supposed to be. Does it
matter what anyone said here tonight? It doesn't matter that the gentleman before you said, "I thought I was going to be here for something else." It doesn't matter why we are here online. No, it doesn't matter. Why we are here tonight, why we are here tonight is for a
subdivision. And I'm going to ask you to when they come back, if they come back, when it happens, come back and voice your opinion at that point, but not tonight. This is not the forum. You're speaking. >> You brought it out. We're done. Thank
you very much. Next. Anyone else? >> Yeah. >> Hello. My name's Christine 27 Street. I want to just commend her for the denies why it's being divided into four.
And now I understand what the meeting is about tonight, but I have to echo what she said. constantly on Facebook there's talk about the tax sales tax and all that not talked about the 50 million
that there's a credited for tax for them per year for five years I think that if we're going to have another meeting to talk about this AI put it on Facebook as prevalent as this meeting has been
>> so Mr. I have to explain that to you as well. When the applicant comes before us and files an application, that's when we will know. When they do that, >> when they do that, that's when we will know. And then you and everyone else
will be notified. >> So that that's the way it is. >> Yeah, I get it. But I just think like there was a lot put on Facebook by members on this committee right here making people believe that that was part
of the meeting. So those main advertisements should continue when they're going to talk. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Anyone else? >> Hello. My name is Renee Roman. I live in
Lynon. So 716 Summit Street. Um I'm concerned about a lot of what's going on and I called earlier today. I spoke with Kathy. Kathy was crystal clear explaining to me today's discussing the the subdivide. >> Um so thank you for that. Uh cuz I would have also been sharing other things that
other people were saying. Um my concern is for the subdivide. So if we're looking at this piece of property, what is this? Exhibit B. So what's in white has the opportunity to be subdivided or what's in gray has the opportunity to be subdivided into four in white. Okay.
>> So that's a thought for the future. Okay. What's in white has the opportunity to be divided into four parts. What's the future going to hold for those gray parts? And who's holding on to that property now? M is not currently holding on to that property. So something to think about. This is a letter that was sent to a resident of
Kennaworth. And it says, "Please take note that on Tuesday, April 28th, 7:00 p.m. here in this location, the planning board will hold a public hearing on the application of core." So, this is an applicant for pre preliminary and final
major subdivision approval. So, I guess the thing that's a little confusing is coreweave is into the AI world, right? >> Well, coreweave is the name of the applicant and what it says and what it says. We're here to sub. They want to subdivide their property. Yes.
>> And that's what we're listening to. >> Thank you. Thank you. You've said that before and I thank you for repeating that now. Okay. But we obviously have concerns right here in core and they're in relation with data centers. We're all like, wait, what's going on? So even when you said, hey, we're here for the
subdivide, the subdivide, the subdivide. >> There we go. >> WE'RE HERE FOR weave and the data center. Respectfully, I'm going to say one more thing. Please don't interrupt me. No, no. I'm not going to interrupt you, but you're just interested. Really quick, >> it's interesting that you will come up
here and say, "I read it and I know it's a subdivision, but I'm here anyway because I don't like what I'm hearing." >> No, it's not that I don't like what I'm hearing. I'm concerned for the future. Respectfully, you guys have all lived your best days. A lot of people here in this room. WE
>> And I said respectfully, I'm not trying to be rude, but we're concerned for our future. We're concerned for our future for your generations that are coming after you. Right? This is a very valid concern. Yes. The subdivide. Okay. We're here for the subdivide FOR WHAT'S IN
WHITE. The subdivide in the future of the gray. All concerns. Okay. You have a resident back here that receives this letter. What is RSI? And that's not even identified what this is in the letter. So, you're sending this to a resident. How does he know what this means? He's not a lawyer. You need a lawyer to
understand this letter that went out to residents. It's concerning. We have many concerns here, but I know that the concern is the subdivide. >> Great. >> While we're here, who's next? >> Come on up. Oh, I'm sorry. There was somebody. No,
no, come on. I'm sorry. I didn't see I didn't see them. >> My name is Don Zer. Z is in zebra. E H N E R. Um, next door in Union. My dad worked in for 20 years. Um, and I have many friends that live in California. And I apologize in advance because I am going to bring something up that we're
not here to discuss, but I know for a fact we is building. I have someone who is an electrician who works for a union who is currently working this very moment at Cororeweave on the data center. Just wanted that to
be on her. >> Thank you very much. Name, address, and spell your last name for the record, please. >> Alexandra Liot, L I G G A T 800 Kemell Avenue, Westville. I'm a physician. I work in the area. I
do home healthcare. I'm here to advocate for my patients that live in K who are subject to the pollution noise pollution and studies that have shown that AI data centers adversely affect human beings
health right so I'm here I understand that this is about subdivision I want to commend this young lady for bringing that up and I hope we get an answer to her question about what does subdivision mean right for overall scope of being able to understand what's
happening. I hope we're going to get an answer to that, but apparently not. Lastly, I'd like to say that I think your attitude is confrontational. I do not think that you are creating a forum that works together with the
people that you're supposed to represent. I think using a candy store and a Coke bottle as an example in such a huge monumentous occasion in these people's lives that will affect our health, our children's
health is demeaning and ridiculous and I think you have >> Hello. >> I had better days. Actually, I'm up here to discuss this letter that we >> can Can we have your name and and address for you?
>> It's Patricia. Last name is R I C K E R. >> Thank you. >> I would really really appreciate it if you could please explain paragraph 3 because when I read paragraph 3, especially the RSI, when I read this paragraph, I read 10 times. What it's
saying to me is we can do anything you want whenever you want. Doesn't that make a difference what you say? We're gonna just go ahead and do it. So, could you please explain that to me? >> Can you tell me >> can you tell me what letter you're reading? >> Uh, notice to be served on owners of
property affected. >> Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I didn't know what you were referencing. I I don't appreciate it if you could explain to me and everybody else in this room what exactly that means. So I would have to yield to you, Mr.
Martin. Let me just >> So that is a sorry that's a standard form. It's like a boiler plate. Um that paragraph. So um an applicant has to put a notice in the paper to advise people within 200 ft who have an interest what
they're doing what they're applying for. So the first paragraph where it says thus subdivide that is there right where it says the other things that's other paragraph is a catchall. It says, "Hey, after we put our application in, should
one of the planners, the engineer, or myself say you missed something, you didn't notice a variance or a thing of that nature?" That's an attempt by the applicant to make sure that there was notice that in there.
>> So basically, it's a cover of your butt. Exactly. >> Traditionally, yes. But before everyone flips right in this application, we reviewed it. Me and the planner, the engineer, myself, land board secretary,
zoning officer, there were no variances or deviations or anything within that catchall. Traditionally what happens is if we catch one of them we will say hey you need to go back out and renotice resend redo because you didn't right so
that is standard form that applicants attorneys and that's who sent you the notice right that's their obligation to send you the notice they knew it the ca right that's the purpose in this matter there were no they they put in what is
referred to as a clean application it means It's a subdivision. It meets all of the zoning based requirements that the city, the burrow, the town has set up for a subdivided property. >> So basically, if there is an issue, we're never going to know about it anyway.
>> No. If there was an issue, we would have called it out and they would have had to put more proofs on or more detail or explanation or they would have had to ask for a variance or and held to a
higher standard or a higher proof. this lot, this application are big lots, so they meet the lot requirements, they meet the size requirements, and there is really limited review done by this board on a subdivision. On a site plan, when
you're actually building stuff or when you're actually planning or designing stuff, it's a much more deeper scrutiny, right? We do this on a lot of our larger lots in town, those older lots where people have 100 by 200 lot. They come
in, they split it right down the middle, >> right? That's This is similar. I know there's a different product that's potentially on this or that's allowed on this that's coming that everyone's worried about, but today's application is really drawing lines on a piece of
paper. >> Okay. U may I ask just a question? >> Absolutely. >> Um just a real quick question. You said that those four lots have been zoned or not zoned. >> So it's all under zoning. >> It's all under zing. Everything is zone. >> What? But they zone four.
>> Uh, I'm not familiar with that. I know this entire track was in one zone as one piece. >> Okay. But you separated into four lots because that affects where we live. So I just want to know what zone and the zone there zone four. Is that written in stone or is it going to change some?
>> That is I'm not a planner so I don't know actually that. >> Yeah. So there's a there's an existing redevelopment plan. So there's underlining zoning underlying zoning for those lots. >> You can go find out what the zoning is.
>> Obviously, they're not going to tell us. >> No, no, it's it's a whole redevelopment. There's a lot of things that can go there. >> What's it own? Is it industrial? Is it for homes? Is it manufacturing? Is it Amazon Prime Place? I don't know. That's what I'm asking.
>> I don't know if you want the planner to answer that. >> Ma, would you um just give a a and and I just want to express that um your questions are all good, valid, and that um we're giving you extra time because
that may be not that's fine. It's just there's other people that may want to speak, but we just know that um what you are concerned what is relative to dividing the law and that's why we're giving you the time. >> I wanted to acknowledge I did not say
anything else. >> So, uh this block and lot the entire known as block 188 block one is under 2000 galloping hill road redevelopment plan. uh which was adopted by the burrow. Um
the permitted zoning bulk standards under this and I'm referring to the document uh the principal permitted uses are research and development labs including life sciences. >> So research and development which means it's going to be some type of manufacturing.
>> These are all I'm just reading all the permitted uses under this redevelopment plan that anybody developing this site would be allowed to do. >> Okay. So this paragraph basically says even though I know what you said, we can go almost anything and that zoning means
really nothing because it can go almost anything. No. So ma'am, uh the the zone is going to allow somebody who's going to come to develop this site. The zone kind of lives what are the uses you're permitted to do. It doesn't kind of say
all right, you're permitted to do so go start construction. The the general law, land use law requires every applicant, especially commercial, industrial applicant, they have to file an application with the municipal planning
board, come before the board, uh do a review, the uh board professionals do review, have a public meeting. If there are variances, they'll have to put testimony. Once they have approval, uh they go through the whole uh you know,
kind of adjustment. based on I get what you're saying. I just don't trust you guys. Sorry. I don't know. >> Okay. >> Thank you for your time. >> Thank you very much. >> Anyone else from the uh public? >> Good evening.
>> Good evening. Cindy Mola, 731 Bergen Avenue. So the other day I looked out my window and I saw this massive thing of smoke coming out of the Merc location. Looked like a nuclear bomb went off and I'm wondering what is this?
So with your zones and whatever you're doing, what have you actually committed to in that area? So have you committed to them moving in with that 720 that seven football fields worth of AI in there? Have you already committed to
that? because this is a waste of time. Like they're putting all that electric in. They're ripping up all the streets. They're doing everything around me. We're not blind. And what are they doing then? If this is not committed to, what's going on? I'd like to know because I don't want to be looking out
my window and seeing this massive nuclear bomb blowing up every freaking month with your water bill and your freaking electric and all this stuff. So, what's going on? Like, have you committed to this already? So >> to the zoning wherever you put it in
there. >> So I can only answer you this way. >> Okay. >> The application before us is to subdivide the land. >> We can't we cannot talk to that. >> We have to follow we have to follow a
rule here. >> And when you're going to have a chance to talk about all of that. >> Is it a secret? What was >> No, it's not here for that reason. And now you're blowing it off. We should have We're not blowing it off. What have you committed to? That's all I want to know. I'm only asking what have you
committed to? >> And you ma'am one thing and Ma was reading from the redevelopment plan. >> What? >> Ma was reading from the redevelopment plan which is zoning. >> I'm sorry. >> So where I'm going to get at is the redevelopment plan is located on the burough website. There's up to 15
permitted uses for the site. The applicant has >> I don't want to hear about the burough website. I want to hear from you guys. What what is the commitment here? I didn't get a letter. I didn't get to 200 ft letter. >> Yeah, but I go on the website. >> You want him to >> The reason why I'm trying to bring up
the website is a lot of your questions of what's permitted here, what can be done. Subdivision is in that document that's already been adopted. It was adopted last year. The subdivision is based off of that. >> You know what the only thing I heard about is the real estate management bought that that land and then all of a sudden I'm here and oh, they're putting
an AI thing on there. I Where was the where was the notification? I I couldn't even see where that Where did you notify us? Did you send letters that we're putting an AI over there? What did you do? How did you notify us? I live like I could see it. I'm I'm a quarter mile
away from I didn't get a letter. We're putting an AI in there. What? Where did that come from? >> So, at this time, the applicant hasn't presented their case if they're going to put A on or not, but it's a permitting us. >> What I'm trying to say, let me finish, please. >> True. Because there's a whole list of things done already.
>> Let me finish, please. What I'm trying to get at is the permitted uses are listed in that redevelopment plan. I'm trying to let the public know. It'd be very beneficial for you guys to look at the plan as well before they come back. >> What plan? >> There's the redevelopment plan on the burough website which Mika read. I'll read the name of it for you.
>> Have a PhD to read that. Why can't you just simply tell me what you have committed to? That's all I'm asking for. There is not a commitment the AI over there. That's >> it's a permitted use is what I'm saying. But they haven't presented their application. >> What have you committed to to all these subdivisions? What? What? What's
committed on Facebook? Obviously, it was the AI. So, what you're telling me it wasn't? >> They haven't committed at this time. >> Oh, they haven't. >> Who's paying for the substation? >> Yeah, >> that's a question I I could not answer. >> Can somebody answer something?
>> I didn't hear you question. >> I didn't hear you question. >> No, it was his question. It was her question. Who's paying for it? >> Well, you're not. >> Ma'am, you're at the podium. All right, >> your time is up. >> Well, she had a good question. >> What? She couldn't come up. >> All right.
>> Thank you very much. >> Hi. >> Hello. >> I'm Christine Bennett. You need me to spell the last name? >> It would be helpful. >> All right. B E N E T. And I live at uh 368 Coolage Drive in California. I only
have one question and I'm assuming it would be for the attorney. Um, is anyone on the council or the council as a whole beholden to an NDA with >> Core Wave?
>> So, I'm the planning board attorney. Um, so I would not know about the council. That's their only soil. This is the planning board, not the >> Okay. Revised. Is anybody on the planning board beholden to an NDA with
corre? >> Planning board does not operate that way. The planning board is one of the other problems with why this board is hesitant to talk about uses and other topics is because it cannot prejudge
that application before it gets here. So the application that's here is all we can talk about. We can't say but if they come next month I'm not gonna blah blah blah I can't do that because they haven't presented their case right it's like a it's almost like a little mini trial >> okay
>> so this these members do not do NDAs or applications get submitted they're put up on the website all the applications all the exhibits 10 days before and that is not okay it's a different format
>> got it and so the application that we're discussing is 26002- 0002. Right? So it is a submitted application. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> And you can submit an application even if you have no contract for the land.
>> You can get permission. You don't need to be the property the actual property owner to submit an application for a subdivision. Contract purchaser. You can get permission from the owner to do it many ways. But that is That could occur.
>> Okay. Um, so is Core Weave the applicant the owner or they're requesting on behalf of somebody else? >> I believe they're the owner of the property. >> They're the owner of the property. When did that happen? >> To clarify the this because this is a
redevelopment plan, only a designated redeveloper can develop this property. >> Okay. And I believe the applicant um has mentioned that core ve as the applicant is the designated redeveloper for this
property. >> When did that happen? >> Um that's an action done by the municipal council that was done last year. >> When's the next uh municipal council meeting? >> Does anybody know?
>> No. No plans, no general time that the next municipal >> first and third Wednesday of the month. >> First and third Wednesdays of the month. All right. May 6. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Anyone else?
>> Introduce myself. My name is Will Philly. I'm running for office in Cranford, New Jersey. And I came here >> Excuse me, sir. Can you please address the board? Can you please address the board? >> Thank you. Are you done? Are you finished? >> Oh, no. >> Okay. Then address the board and not the
audience, sir. Address the board and not the audience, sir. >> We want to know where we want to spend our time. >> We want to know what your questions are for the board, sir. >> Thank you. We want to know what your questions are, sir. Can you state your
name and your address and spell your last name for the record? >> Can you please state your name and address? Kick back to these deals. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. TWICE A
MONTH. >> Good job. >> Anyone else? >> See you twice a month. >> My name is Clara Halt. H A L T at 362 Franklin Avenue here in Penelorth. Uh, I
am deeply curious why a single owner of a property needs to subdivide a location into four separate locations in order if they're not planning to sell them. If they're all going to be under the same zoning, it does not to me seem like it
is necessary to split it into four additional properties. >> I mean, there are many reasons why a property owner may want to subdivide. It could be for financing purposes. It could be for to your point future sale. It could be to uh it will get developed
differently. There might be joint ventures, maybe different ownership structures on each property, different that is beyond the purview of this board. We do not get into the finances of a project. The planning board does not look at the financials or the
financing or how a financial structure of property functions. What it looks at is whether or not that is a proper subdivision. That's it. >> Thank you. Uh I do also want to add that you are deeply condescending. I do not
appreciate. >> Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Good evening. >> Good evening. Deborah Graham, 7-Eleven Vernon Avenue, Kennorth. I have two questions. The subdivision where the
four white um pieces are. Is that closer to Union or is it closer to Market Street? >> Um Mr. Stipple. >> So, it's on the Gallop Hill Road side. It's closer to the parkway. >> Closer to the Parkway.
>> And I also wanted to ask I know that you said that right now nothing you don't know that anything's going in there. If Core Weave decides that they want to ask the council to put in a data center, will the town's people be notified prior to that?
>> They will have to file an application. And then once they file an application, that starts the clock. They have to go through all the procedures. Once they go through all the procedures, then yes, it is public knowledge. >> And how will we find out? Will we get letters in the mail? How will we be notified?
>> Mayor's Facebook. >> No, I'm not going on there. I want something so I could see it like in the mail or I want to be notified. I don't go on Facebook every five to to see that. >> Right. Only property owners within 200. >> I'm a property owner. >> Are you within 200 feet of the
>> I'm on Vernon. So I'm I don't know. I don't know. I can't personally answer that. But property owners that are within 200 ft of the property will be notified by letter just like the woman who came up with who's asking the question about the paragraph. Other
people will have to get notified through the website through public you know discussion things of that nature. And it is advertised as well. >> Okay. And will we will the town's people have a say on whether we want it to go in or not or it's just the council that
makes the decision? >> No. If it's an application before the planning board, this board will decide whether it will approve or not approve that. >> So the planning board approves it. The council has nothing to do with it. >> If a application is made before this
board, then yes, this board will hear it. >> So it's the planning board, >> right? >> Okay. That's all I had to ask. Thank you. HI, MY NAME IS SOPHIA JARRETT. I'm a resident of Elizabeth, New Jersey at 751 Westfield Avenue. I don't know why that
is applicable because everyone can attend the council meeting. So, Corweave is going within a 5m radius to my home. I have a few questions. The first one being who's paying for the substations.
>> I'm just going to say one more time. This board does not deal with the financials of the project, >> right? So there are supposedly all these bills through the state of New Jersey that's going to cover our behinds,
right? None of them are passed. You can't get blood from a snow. You understand that? We we we have $15,000, most of us, in housing taxes. We have to feed our families. We have to
pay over $4 in gas. And now you want us to take the I don't know the electricity bill. That's incumbent. And you can't answer these questions. I would like another question answered beside that. My second question is with this closed
loop system, it's going to power all of Union County, which is over 220,000 houses. So, I remember last summer when it was a brownout and PSEG who are
very good fiduciaries for their stockholders, but not the social network that props them up, right? We have to pay for the people who don't pay and we have to pay for the background deals that we don't see. Correct. Yeah, I know.
Who is going to pay for the brown outs and suffer through the brown outs? And who is going to take the load of the lowered electricity that they do to power other things? Would it be the consumer who
pays the way or would it be coreweave who has a lot of capex >> and oh the water? Well well let well we could talk about the water as well. >> So >> so what >> this board >> Uhhuh. cannot discuss.
>> So you you can't discuss the financials that you're putting on people. >> This board's jurisdiction and it's the rules that govern this board. The statutes that are given to it, the financial considerations of a project are not considered in determining
whether or not to approve a project or to approve a subdivision. Those are the regulations that the board does. >> They have already bought the property. They already are getting substations. You could dance around this all day. >> I'm not dancing around it. I'm just I'm
explaining to you that this planning board has limited power, limited jurisdiction, and limited things. So, >> YOU HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE THIS go first. >> It's a subdivision application. That is what's here.
>> I Okay. Because on Core Weave's website, they have already put in the subdivision. I mean the the substation and they're going to have two permanent PSEG employees there. So like what you're telling me is a lot of rigomearroll. Okay. No, this is New Jersey.
>> I know where I am. I do. And I know you asked a question about the financials of the project. What I keep trying to explain to you is this board is prohibited from having a discussion on the financials of the project. I understand what you're saying, but this
is New Jersey in the same rigomearroll and people are taxpayers here. Regardless if you think things are good for your city, remember that other people around here live in different areas. We won't shop in Calorth. We will not support your businesses. This is
done. >> Anyone else in the public wishing to speak? Good evening. >> Good evening. >> My name is Anati Mandopelos and I live in Cranford, New Jersey. I just want to say
that I have hope that we can stand with some semblance of unity here and some sense of humanity because I watched the April 24th, 2025 meeting when core in regards to this
division future division pitched a data center. I listened to the questions asked by this committee. One of which was, "Do you have plans to
expand into the other areas?" And they said, "Yes, we do." So, I want to encourage everyone here to go back and watch.
And I am going to ask you to consider very deeply what price you will put on lives, on children's lives, on your parents' lives, on your lives.
What dollar amount is worth a life? We will all pitch in from every town to make this town work if we need to. Please don't sell us out because this subdivision
is for the very reason of expanding someone's pocket with complete disregard for the health and well-being of all the individuals that live near it. I want
you to consider the future because there is no future after this data center goes in. Thank you very much. ANYONE ELSE? >> Good evening. Uh, my name is Bob Herbert. I live at 14 North 12 Street,
Kennaworth. I am not a resident within 200 ft of list, so I'm not familiar what was uh advertised. And I heard people say an S1, S2, some things I couldn't hear because it was noisy in the back.
So, if I may, I'd like to ask the planning board attorney, what was that notice that was put in the paper or sent out within 200 ft? What was it for? >> So, an applicant has to publish. Um, >> I understand how it works. All I'm asking you is what what did it say? Uh
it said that they were appearing here tonight for an application for a preliminary and final major subdivision of block and lot for this property which is four lots. >> Okay. Right. >> Nothing else. >> Then what it has what the woman was
speaking about was there's a generic boiler plate paragraph that says if should another variance or another issue come up that be on notice that that might also occur. Right. What I explained to her back then, I'll repeat myself, is during the review by the
professionals, none of those other issues that would have been in that boiler plate did come up. >> Okay. So, >> did say >> it says that in the notice >> ma'am, can I ask you to can I ask you to refrain and you'll have another chance
to come up, please? Just just so we have some order. You can see that everybody's getting a fair shake with questions. No, >> I'm just asking what I heard in the background. Is that true? Is that in the air? >> Was that in the air? >> I took the letter back so you don't read
our property. >> Bob, what is the question you're asking? What I'm getting at is as I as you know I'm involved with zoning and I sat up there at one time or another for the best interest at Kennallorth right politically now I can't be up there but
my question is when you come to the board you have to advertise what you're coming for and you don't add anything to it and Mr. Chairman, with all due respect, and you know I have respect for you, is you've said many of times in
front of all these people that came up before me that this is here for subdivision at this time and that's all you want to hear. So my question is to this board is why is this being heard tonight? Because it was only supposed to
be for a subdivision and now I'm hearing I don't see it. Nobody's providing it to me or a copy of the newspaper article. It's stating about everybody's concern. It's in that notice. So to me, this meeting should be tabled and revisited
just for the subdivision. >> So the the notice does say the first paragraph at the bottom, and I'll read it. >> Thank you. I do get it. The property is in the burough's 2000 Gallop Hill Road redevelopment plan zone district and is currently being developed for a data
center and related uses including the chilling station and electrical utility building. So it says what the property is being developed for but the application is for subition. >> Okay, got it. Thank you. Thank you very
much. Thank you very much. So, with that said, the board understands everybody's concern. And correct me, Mr. Chairman, if I'm wrong, when you guys make decisions, yay or nay, in favor of an application, either way, isn't it part
of this board and any board in the state of New Jersey to be consistent with their yays and their nays? as an example what we're talking about tonight the subdivision right and I believe
somebody I believe yourself said other bigger partials not as big as this but like maybe 100 by 200 people can come for a subdivision and as long as there's none of those other bulk requirements that are impacted
it could be heard right so all I'm asking you guys is to reconsider due to the and maybe reschedu this and get the proper advertisement in the paper. Number one. Number two, be consistent because not too long ago, another
subdivision, not in the redevelopment agreement, but in town and it was conforming. And the applicant, all they wanted to do was make two buildable lots. They weren't proposing any building or anything. And I don't know if it was the planning board or the
zoning board, but it was denied. So, all I'm asking is be consistent tonight. taking strong considerations to the taxpayers of Kennaworth and the property owners of the adjoining town of Kennaworth that's going to be
impacted by potentially what may be. I'm asking there before you vote on that when you have your discussion, but when it goes to a vote, I'm asking every member up there, be independent. Think for yourself. Don't don't follow the uh deficient. You
know, that's what you're up here for. Think for yourselves. That's all I'm asking. And that's on the subdivision. My last and quick question, if you want to answer it, fine. If not, but I'm putting it out there. If this was only we are only here for a
subdivision, I want to know why is why is the board allowing other literature from Facebook and our active mayor next to the applications and what's being heard tonight. Why is this document even out
here talking about AI? It shouldn't be there. That table is there for the information of what's on the agenda and what's going to be happening. So in the future, let's not put out other things that additional, you know, uh just let's
have the proper paperwork out there. There shouldn't be this additional stuff talking about uh core wave and the electric and the water and they're going to have a a special water thing. It's not going to impact
our water. So, as some of our residents said, we know if this subdivision is approved, what's going there and just take that in consideration. We can't All we can do is ask you to vote the right way for the people. It's your decision. It's on you
guys. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, MR. >> I I just want to comment on something. Um, Mr. Herbert made a statement. Now that your time is up, I just want to address something. Uh, you did make a statement that the board denied an
application on a subdivision. Um, I I have to say that I remember a couple of denials of a subdivision, and we may be going off track here, but I want to make it clear. Denials of subdivisions are either because they don't meet the
criteria or an applicant may come before the board that has the room to do it but is asking for waivers and the waivers are not necessary in order to make that
application go smooth through. So, um, that's the only thing that I could remember of a denial of someone, an applicant having the appropriate amount of land to have a subdivision. So I
would say if a lot is supposed to be 50 by 100 and they have and they want let's say it's greater than 100 by 100 and they want to subdivide but they want to
adjust lots in order to make it work. Well, you need to stay with the criteria of 50 by 100. And if you can make it work on that parcel then you don't need a waiver. You don't need a hardship. You don't need a variance. You just do it
the right way. So, Mr. Herbert, when the board takes a look at that, and I appreciate you saying that because that tells you that we are looking at every application and we're making sure that it's done the right way. And so, we will look and scrutinize and ask the
question. So, thank you for that. >> Anyone else? >> And thank you for explaining. >> Okay. I I because if I if I may, >> I just wanted to say thank you. >> Yeah, ma'am. If I just if I may, sometimes
sometimes what happens is a buzzword gets out there and all of a sudden, you know, we we look we we look like, oh, he denied him, but he approved him. No, it comes before us. We look at it. If it meets the criteria, this is what the
board is here for. But we have to hear what's going on and we have to be very rigid in where we make how we make our decisions. Ma'am, >> if I may point. >> So again, please reconsider. It was not advertised correctly.
This should be it was advertised. I >> I don't I don't know I don't know your statement to be true, Mr. Herbert, but I will uh ask the attorney to look at that and then we will look at it from that point. Ma'am, please.
Carol, Agui R. I'm in Rosel Park. Um, I would like for the record for the planning board to state whether or not they're going to consider the questions that we started with of why should the subdivisions take place? What's the
impact of everything we've heard tonight? Is that something that the board's going to do? And if you are, when will the public know? >> Okay. So, it's a it's a pretty simple answer. And and and please, I'm not coming off as condescending. I
understand concerns. If an applicant, for whatever reason, comes up here, it doesn't matter to us what that application is. If it meets the criteria, it will then be approved. If it doesn't meet the criteria, it will be
denied or discussed. We'll go back to the drawing board. We can't just say no to something that we may think that they're going to do. If they come in with the application, they're represented by council. We have to take a look at what's in front of us. And I
and if I came off strong or heavy, I apologize to you all. I don't mean to. I think there'll be another time for you to state everything that your concerns are. And and they are not going to be you can't say it. We have to make sure
that we follow the rules that the attorney has state forth with his witness and that you you all understand what we're up against as the board only looking at what's in front of us. >> So the question would I I'm assuming the
answer is yes. It's going to be approved because the planners and the engineer said there's no concerns. >> I can't say that because we did not vote on it. All I could say is you asked what the criteria is and I tried to answer. >> I was asking will the board reconsider
the application the of the questions that were we started with at the beginning of why does it need to be subdivided? Why does one owner need to subdivide one property or one what they already own
into four parts? Will the board consider that before making their decision? And if they do, will those considerations and the reasons of what that outcome of the vote be made public? >> I will tell you that it's the board's obligation to make sure that every
applicant is feed trail treated fairly and that we have to take a look at the application in front of us and we can't determine what anyone is going to do with their property because then it looks like we are just saying you can
and you can't. If an application is clean and it can and and an applicant wants to do it do what what they want with their property and it meets the criteria then I have to say it will be approved. If not it's going to be denied.
>> When will the planning board vote >> on this application? >> Yes. >> Tonight. >> Okay. And then the other part I want to say like it's been mentioned before, there's a lot of residents that are not from Kennels Worth, but we shop here, we come here, we come to the parks, there's
we have family and friends here, and the mayor's reelection is coming up next year. So that is something to consider. As it's been stated, we are able to choose where we uh spend our money like the porch salon that the
mayor owns in Cranford. So please be aware that these are public officials. There are it's a mixture, right? There's residents on this board, they're municipal members, they're all their information is online. So just stating that that is something that as residents
near and neighbors were able to do and it's something to consider as this vote and the continuing votes that require any construction as the data center that it's zoned. That is one of the zoning. I read what's online and what the other
lady mentioned that that the previous meeting where this um uh property owner or planner came and spoke that they will be building a data center. Those are things to consider and
I hope that as we continue everything the um the impact to our water sources, the environment to the noise pollution, everything will be considered and I look forward to coming to more meetings. Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. >> You know what? I have one more question. of other people. >> Can I just ask one question? >> You know what? I'm going to give you that leeway because >> Oh, thank you very much. I'm not so condescending. >> I'm just curious because the federal
government doesn't want any um incumbrances upon AI or data centers. Okay. Um and as a state level, we have everything that's blocked up. Nothing's passed, right? So you can say to your blue in the face that this that the
other thing's going to happen that's not true. What insurance will you give to the populace of this county that you are putting guard rails? Like what what are you doing to ensure that it's safe for us like environmental impact? I mean I
know you did a noise study. Um, I I'm curious where the guard rails and where this will be because the man who invented AI said this could be an extinction event. And I'm just curious as to, you know, it's okay for you to
get your tax dollars. It's not going to impact the citizens cuz you're just going to fund your city, right? So it it or your burrow or whatever. It's not going to lower their taxes. Let's let's be honest. >> If I may answer your question, I >> I would like that. >> Okay. So, you you're asking about
guardrails. >> I I am. >> Okay. Cuz that that guards the guardrails are just this and and I think you may have um watched me put them up all night long. Not only for the applicant, but for the board and for the
residents. I'm sure you're going to think that we're not doing that, but we are. We ha we have just let me speak out. We have we have a criteria to follow. We have a um uh a system in
place that tells us what we can and cannot do. There's positive and negative criteria which falls under the question that you're asking about guard rails with an application for a subdivision that meets or exceeds the criteria.
You're going to say, is it a yay or a nay? It's a yay. If it doesn't, it's a nay. However, another application that may come before us at a later date will be scrutinized, will be handled with a fine tooth comb.
Probably, and I hope I don't get a big murmur out there, before the public asks them. The same questions that you're going to ask, this board is going to ask them. Everything that you recited before, we are going to ask. Sir. >> Yes, ma'am.
>> I'm sorry, but we've all seen the videos from Vinland. We've all seen the people outside of Austin who their water comes out brown and different things. I understand that there are different AI data centers. What I'm asking you and I understand you're the planning board. You have no parameters. You're almost
saying like right now as long as they meet your qualifications, they'll be the testing station. No, I didn't say that. I want to reiterate that. And if that's what you heard, that's not what I'm saying. But you said going further. Excuse me. You You >> ma'am, that's not what I said. But if that's what you're heard,
>> let you speak. Please let me finish. You said after then we'll go through it with a fine tooth comb. Why aren't you going through this with a fine tooth comb? Now >> that's not the application that's in front of us. Ma'am, what's in front of us is a subdivision. If the subdivision meets a requirement, then we handle
that. Then when another application comes in, whatever it's for, and I'm sorry I used an illustration that may offended someone, but I didn't mean it in that light. I >> cannot tell you. I was >> asking for clarification. I >> I can I cannot tell you what somebody is
going to do with their property, nor am I allowed to tell them they can or cannot. All all I could do is follow the rules of the board that says when an application comes up here, we need to handle it professionally. We ask for
documentation and we do whatever we can. Whatever happened in Texas, I can't talk to, but I will talk to this. Anything that comes before us, we will scrutinize 100%. >> Well, then why are they getting the two substations already? And why are they
getting permanent employees? Th this is now a dialogue that I can't delve into in this evening. But when this >> I'm sorry, excuse me. That's what you keep saying, but it really seems like a big runaround. >> It it could seem that way, but if you could just just bear with me a minute
here. We are on a threshold of maybe um not being able to do our job properly. And the more be and the more we speak about what may happen, what about this, what about that, makes it much more
difficult for us to do what we do. Now, we're just citizens here in our town here. We are have we have in front of us an application that states that they want to subdivide their property. We are not empowered to say that they can or
they can't unless they bring the documentation. And that's what they did. We didn't vote on it yet, but we're listening to your concerns. But I think your concerns are better displayed at maybe the next meeting. This one, this
one, it's not >> We don't know, ma'am. We We expressed that. I I will say it again. We don't know. It's not in front of us yet. >> If I had the documentation, I'd give it to you, but the application has not been filed. Sir, I understand what you're
you're you're saying, but if you you go through um everything you you've pushed this through until now and >> um >> what you're voicing right now doesn't equate with what's happening. You can say the planning board, oh, we want to
do this, that things are moving forward regardless of what you say. Y >> So, no, no, no. Please let me finish, sir. I let you speak. Please let me you are trying to defend something which
is fine. You you need the planning board looking at things but it's already moving forward and I think that's a bit indefensible regardless if you want people to go to the other meeting. And as for the mayor, she posted twice on Facebook. And I'm really tired of
officials going on social media to explain things to the police. It's not right. It's not right for your neighbors. It's not right for people in the town. >> I have to say thank you very much. I
gave you a second chance to >> You gave me a second chance. I have all the chances. You You chose to be there. Nobody said, "Oh my god, we need Mr. Pecarino and the Pecarino.
>> Okay, I'm sorry. No, even you and everybody. I mean, this is ridiculous to me. >> Thanks. Thank you, ma'am. I THINK >> anybody else. >> Good evening. >> Good evening. >> My name is Danielle Palmy. That's P as
in Peter. A L M is in Mary. E. I live on 25 North 6th Street. Um I wasn't able to see the grass from back there. My question for the subdivision is before any of the dividing can take place,
how are we approaching the existing infrastructure in terms of things like the storm water drainage because we've already been dealing especially like on my side of town, we've already got a flood issue that is out of control. Great question. So how are we going to do that? And because it's technically on
Galloping Hill Road, does the county have to weigh in on that as well? And are they going to be able to either approve and deny this just like it's going to be planned for here? >> Fantastic questions. All of that will be addressed when they decide.
>> I'm sure that's hysterical, but now maybe you're going to get a little bit of an education. All of that will be decided when they file an application for what they want to do right now. May I? Right now, all they're doing is putting pencil on paper saying, "I want to make these four little boxes and this
is what we want to do." Now, when they come back and they file an application for whatever they want to do, they will have to meet every criteria that you stated. >> Okay? And be including like fire access lanes, on-site parking, all of those things to accommodate whatever influx of
people might be equipment. everyone, everything that you're thinking, everything that you just said would have to be presented in their application. Their attorney will have to talk to it. Their their um their uh professionals will have to speak to it and they will
have to have affidavit that will document it. >> Perfect. >> Thank you. >> I hope I answered your question. >> You did. And then I just have one one more. So then if the subdivision is approved and they then come and say, "Okay, we want to build XYZ on whatever
parts." Um, do we as a town hold them accountable with next steps in terms of if there's contamination found on the property? You just be, you know, we all know that there's contamination popping up all over. Do they have to present to us a plan on how they're going to
remediate it? What does that have to pass through in terms of them getting an approval to build and just how are we handling that? >> Again, everything you just said will be part of that document. It has to be we we as the board need to see everything
that's going on and that we have to make sure that their professionals, their scientific professionals, whatever they're doing there has to meet a certain criteria. Now that would mean
that we also have to engage in other people other professionals other other members like uh um Mr. Massie will pick up. >> Just one thing with in terms of any contamination on site. The site's going
to have to be approved by the NJP. There are some open uh site items. Now, what the once con once any construction starts in terms of application, they're going to have to have an LSRP of record and there's going to be a whole list of areas concerns and studies they're going
to have to do and remediate with the under an LSRP's uh direct provision. >> And then just one more question to tie into that. you have good ones. >> Um, with the Okay, so we say this. We say yes on the
subdivision. They now have to come forward with the four individual plans and all four for whatever they might want to build or do we'll have to go through the same levels of scrutiny before. So maybe buildings A, B, or whatever could be great, but C and D, we
can say no. >> They may not come with four. They may come with one. What? whatever they come with, they have to meet the criteria. It's it's I don't want to say it's simple, it's convoluted, it's in it's entwined, but we have to see what
they're going to put in front of us. That's and and that's it. I mean, I I hope I answered your questions, but they're not just come no one's coming into this board and saying, I'm doing X, Y, or Z as Mr. Herbit just said that we denied an applicant for whatever the
reason was, but the reason had to be valid and it had to be justified and this board had to make a decision. >> Answers my questions. >> Thank you very much and have a good evening. >> Good evening. >> Good evening. >> My name is Victor Gomes. I live in Union
uh about a mile from the site, maybe less. Um, and I'm here because, uh, what is happening on the property is of great concern to me, my family, uh, the potential environmental impacts, uh, and health impacts. Um, I want to say, and
I'm going to relate this to what this meeting is about, which is you've made clear is about the subdivision. Um, but I just want to kind of maybe speak a little bit on behalf of the folks that are here because I'm not sure that they're quite articulating certain things. Uh, one of them is I think one
of the reasons that so much of what's happening on that property is being brought up at this meeting, even though that's not what this meeting is about, is because there was a lack of transparency around the approval of what
is coming now. Um, which included at some point obviously uh approval from a from your board. So I think what folks are looking for on this evening um is
some transparency around this process. We know that the purpose of what's going on there is the building of a data center, an AI data center. So I think what folks are looking for is transparency
and um you know trying to get ahead of uh what's already kind of taken place. uh now right so what that means is if we have the owner of this property now asking to subdivide this plot of land into four spaces why do they want to do
this and if we cannot if we don't have that answer we should be voting not to so that we can assess the purpose of what they're trying to do there they already own this land so we should be able to make some kind of assessment of what they want to do what impact it will
have on the community from an envir environmental health standpoint before we approve splitting it into four zones. Because the concern is that splitting it is an attempt to circumvent perhaps regulations, perhaps circumvent uh you know some other rules, some you know
some other factor that might inhibit them from doing what they want to do and that is certainly or should certainly be of concern to a planning board. So I think I'm speaking on behalf of the folks here today in expressing that that is what our concern is. That's where it lies and that this should be voted down
today because additional assessment is needed and we need to understand much better what the environmental and health impacts among many other things are uh in regards to what they're planning to do on this property and how them
splitting it into four zones may or may not impact that. So that is the statement I want to make. I wanted to clarify I think on behalf of the folks here. Um and that's really all I had to say. So thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Good evening. Hey, how you doing?
>> Fantastic. Can you state your name and address for the record, please? >> Sure. Uh John C. Havens. I actually live in Westfield, but I'm a Union County resident. Uh first of all, hi Kennaworth. How you doing? And second of all, I want to say thank you. This is my first time coming here.
So, mayor and all of you, I really appreciate, as I assume, how much work you've done for Kennerworth in so many ways over the years. Um, if helpful, and I speak for myself, not for my employer, I've worked in artificial intelligence and ethics for about 12 years. If uh I'd
recommend a book if you haven't read it, it's called Empire of AI by a well-known journalist with the Atlantic named Karen How. and what Kennorth is experiencing. And I say that for everyone. Uh, and by the way, again, I want to be respectful. I'm learning about the zoning. So, I'm
I'm going to talk for a minute and then if there's a question, I'll get to it quickly. Thank you for listening. Um, but a pretty common thing that's happened globally, you can read about it in the book, is with one type of artificial intelligence that's called generative AI that came about November
of 2022 with OpenAI and Chat GBT. These are the tools that made artificial intelligence sort of intelligible to the public. But I want to talk about the moral aspect of generative AI, which may sound like, why is this guy talking about it when we're talking about the
hypers scale data center? It's because the hardware and the technology that drives generative AI is why we're here today. So hypers scale data centers need water to cool the computer servers. I'm not sure if this is going to be a closed
loop water system, but even when there's a closed loop water system, what happens is the water, the silt from those computers goes into local groundwater. I'm sure people have talked about that. But the other aspect that often isn't talked about is the fact that the water in the water treatment plant for however
you're getting your water is going to be affected. And then there's an additive effect of water in aquifers all over New Jersey. There was a great report from the New York Times in 2022 about the aquifer depletion from 1945 to 2022.
It's massive. There's a lot of ignorance about hydronics or hydraulics and water which I work in as well. This idea that we have as much water as we have and it's never going to change. That's not correct. Water that gets evaporated into the air above Kennorth goes to other
places. It doesn't come here. Also, recent reports from the World Bank talk about water actually changing. The point being that water scarcity is a thing. Uh, generative AI, just to give you some lessons if you're not a geek as I am, uh, the tools are not designed
necessarily to find facts. They use what's called large language models to gather massive amounts of data. And that's why they need so much water and energy. But you've probably heard this term, which I don't like. I say this respectfully. my father uh passed away from complications of Parkinson's.
Hallucinations is a term that you'll hear that AI people or geni people use. That is what's called anthropomorphism. Making a tool that is not human or alive sound alive. It's not alive. It's an error. Generative AI as compared to
something like deep mind uh deep learning. Deep learning is a type of AI technology that's been used for years. If you want to get your cancer uh MRIs uh uh uh uh x-rays examined, ask for deep learning AI because it examines photographs and you know how many
computers it needs? Maybe two computers like you have ones at home. Generative AI, just to also let you know what your uh the moral aspect of what this thing is that's being built that I haven't heard discussed yet. I heard on WNYC a great report yesterday about Google
Chromebooks going into elementary schools being outfitted with generative AI. >> Sure. I just got it. >> You want to wrap me up? Okay. Just the things that haven't been said. The AI revolution, what you heard about Kennorth. The last thing I'll say and
thanks for listening. The AI revolution, the geni revolution, what you're actually feeding into is something that's immoral. And I also want to point out before we forget, I read about this Kennaworth uh data center. I know it's not specifically
about this, but I want to say please support Congressman MacGyver's AI data center site selection transparency act of 2026. >> No, I understand. Thanks for letting me speak. >> Thank you, sir. >> I'm in Union County. Thanks. Thank you.
>> Good evening. Good evening. Uh my name is Terry Seuss. I live on Chestnut Street about two blocks from Merc uh by the Crow Flies. Right. So um you know I've been driving by and looking at that place ever since
they put up the sign which is Northeast Science Technology Center thinking I got to look that up. Well, finally got around to it and um they have on their website exactly what they want to do and they list all the data centers and you
can look up data centers across the country that are owned by the company that wants to come in there. So, um I guess I'm just disappointed that this has gone on for like three years and you
guys are I don't know how long you've been on the council or the planning board or been the mayor, but you know, you would think that you would try and reach out to people, maybe call a hearing, be just as the gentleman said, much more transparent. This is a huge
development that's going to have impacts on us. Um, and we're hearing things, we don't know if they're true, we don't know if they're not true. Um, so it's really pretty pathetic, you know, and and case in point, which which opened my
eyes to this was when they knocked down a dozen trees on Chestnut Street and I'm calling them saying, "Where where are the trees? Why are they what are they doing to this?" Oh, no. You have nothing to say about this. This is PSEG.
They can do whatever they want. Okay. So then what happened on Chestnut Street? Do you ever drive down there? Have you seen what's going up on Chestnut Street? They're giant poles. They're about I don't know. They've got to be over 200
feet tall. And they're metal. They're about this big around. Don't Don't have an accident on Chestnut Street and hit one of those. They're solid metal. Right. So, so they're going to put up these
these high power wires coming down there. You can already see the insulators going up for them and it's like what? How is this happening? So, I guess you're just hearing from people all over the region that are not
informed, you know, and it's like, how can you help us? You know, not just helping the businesses expedite whatever they want to do. I mean, in Union, they just approved, well, they approved a year ago and we didn't know about it. Uh,
drive-thru Dunkin' Donuts on Chestnut Street. you all going to be able love to get your coffee without getting out of your car at five points where there's all this traffic. So, how did that happen? You know, this is a pattern for all these small towns and the fact that
you are operating kind of in a bubble with only the businesses is a problem. So, uh you need to be much more transparent and you need to have much more input from people because we live here. we happen to be the ones who elect you and
it seems like you should be talking to people like us instead of only the businesses. So that's all I have to say tonight but thank you for listening. >> Thank you very much. >> Good evening. >> I couldn't hear. Can you speak up, ma'am? We can't hear you up here.
>> Oh well. Maria Miguelis m i g u e l e zel park New Jersey I mean park um I know we're the subdivision you guys are voting on that tonight right >> correct
>> correct so based on what that young lady said at the beginning said very eloquent like you did your homework um the owner of that property is not here right tonight >> I don't think The council's right behind
>> the council. >> Yeah, but the council doesn't really speak for the owner. >> He does, >> but he can make decisions for the owner. >> So, I mean, trust me, I work in finance. It's all up to the So, my question is,
regardless of what we say here, there is no way for you to do your due diligence tonight to make a decision because you're not taking away anything from what she said. I don't know if anyone even took notes while she was speaking.
That's not a here or there. So, at my point is you already made your decision. >> You're just having this meeting. Check your box to say like the um toilet plate. You had to
have a meeting with to say this. But are you going to talk to the owner before making the your decision to ask why are you subdividing them into four? Why can't you just do one? >> That's a question. >> Oh, you can answer.
>> I I didn't know when you were done. I didn't want to interrupt. >> Well, I want to hear you answer. >> So So am I going or is this board going to ask the question? Um what are you doing there? No, we are not going to do that. And I'll tell you why. We're not allowed to do that. All we are allowed
to do is take a look at the property and find out if it meets the criteria. Some people do subdivisions. Some people do subdivisions. I'm not saying that's what going to happen here and never do anything with them. It is not our job to
ask anyone what they're doing with their land except meet the criteria for their No, that's not good enough. >> No, that's not what I asked. I didn't ask you what they're going to do. No, no, no, no. >> I just asked, >> which is a normal question for anybody.
Mhm. >> All right. If I have a piece of property and I want to separate it into four divisions, >> yeah, >> and I need to get approval from someone. >> An engineer or whoever should be able to question and ask, well, why would you want to subdivide it into four? What's
you know, that's just plain curiosity. Now, whether the owners wants to answer, yeah, that's on there. >> That's another that's another story. But since you are the councilman of Kimorth, you got voted in, it's your responsibility to ask these questions
cuz ignorance is not an excuse. Can't plead ignorance after >> correct. >> So my question is you have plan A, plan B, and your plan C after you approve the subdivision tonight. Let's be real
again. We're approving it tonight. So sorry guys, we all lost it. you you've you've given me a hypothetical so I want to give you one back. If an engineer myself or or Kathy here asked what are you going to do with those four things that you want to
subdivide and he said or she said I haven't decided yet. Would that be a good enough answer? >> At least you get an answer. >> Well, you ask the question but you ask the question. The thing is to me is >> you need to ask the questions, right?
You can always plead the fifth, but the questions need to be put out and then you can hold people accountable for the answers. What I'm seeing here is s that gentleman did the survey. Now the other four I mean it worked for Mer before
when they had one giant building. So why can't work for I don't even know the company name for the new owner. Why does he need to subdivide? Because again, if you're subdividing it, that means you're tearing down structures. So that's an added expense. If I'm an owner, I'm a
builder, I'm going to try and keep as much as my operating cost and building cost as low as possible. So >> and and wouldn't we say that's your prerogative to do what you want to do with your property as long as it meets the law and the criteria? So why is it
not good for another applicant? If it's good for you, ma'am, why is it good for someone else? I'm I'm just I'm just listening to what you're telling me. >> I'm asking you if you ask the question. >> Okay. So, you want me to ask the question to an applicant? What are you going to do with your property? >> And he say none of your business.
>> I'm asking if you asked any of those questions. So, engineer the planning board member, you never just out of curiosity. Damn, you know what? Don't you want to use the whole piece? That thought never answered your minds like never even
you know what A B C D E F G all the boxes check that's fine I have no care I see a don't care was that like the whole >> it's not that people don't care it's not what we're allowed to do we're not allowed to ask those questions you have
a piece of property you want to subdivide it your property now it's yours you want to subdivide it Okay. >> I I have to look at what's in front of me, right? >> So then you have just concluded the whole thing and we wasted 2 hours. >> We didn't waste anything. We heard every
one of your your concerns and I also said that you have an opportunity to do this again when they come back. >> But you already decided that the subdivision is approved. >> I never decided anything. We told you that three times. We have to vote on that. >> All right. So you'll vote on it tonight.
When does everybody find out? >> Tonight. >> Tonight. >> Tonight. tonight. >> Who wants to bet $100 that gets >> Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. Come on up. >> Hi, good evening. My name is Nile Cruz
and I live right in front of um the site also um in Union. So, when I found out what was happening here a few weeks ago, obviously I was very upset. This is not with these subdivisions. I think you already know what's going to happen.
That's why you're raiding the questions here. You You don't want to ask why this is being divided because you already know what's going to happen here and obviously you're going to vote on that yes today. But as a resident of Union, that greatly affects me because I'm
closer than anybody here in Kennaworth. I'm closer to that that facility. So you didn't take in mind when you approved this last March 2025 when you approved car weave coming you didn't do your research of who they were
what were they doing you did not so you approved that at that time a year ago almost a year ago and now you know exactly what's going to happen so I really hope everybody here that was voted in you could get voted out just like in Missouri everybody got voted out
EVERYBODY THAT KNEW SO I'M NOT I'M A VOTER of of Kennelorth, but I hope that everybody that is, you take that into consideration in the next voting sessions because you are obviously doing the wrong thing. This is AI centers are
being stopped all over the country. We all know this because we know what the negative impact has on communities. So, obviously, you didn't care for the people around Rosa Park, Union, uh, you guys are are farther away than I am. I'm
in Union. So now I have to breathe in pollution. I have to hear noise. I moved here so I can have a tranquil life. And now that's going to change in the near future. That's not fair. And just I'm just telling you that in the future you might get sued. There's a lot of things
that are going to happen if this goes through. Thank you. >> Hi, my name is Chelsea Selby. I'm from Cranford. I used to live in Kennallorth. You keep talking about the vote like you have to say yes, but what happens if you say no?
>> We are not saying that we have to say yes. >> You're saying you you're not loud, but what happens if you say no? >> What do you mean? What happens? >> What happens if you vote no? You're saying you can't vote no. Why not? >> Okay. So, are you saying a hypothetical or what we're going to >> I would like to know what the consequences are of you voting no
because you're saying you have to vote yes. >> So, let's let's do this. Let me try to answer that in another for in another forum. >> Just like in the exact forum >> like the exact forum. >> Go ahead. >> Yes, please. What happens if you know
>> our attorney can explain the applicant's rights if the board denies? >> I'm asking why you you >> we haven't voted yet. >> Why you're saying I'm asking what would happen if you voted no >> and I'm asking the attorney to explain what the ramifications. >> Is he in charge of the town?
>> He's the attorney. Do you want an answer to your question or not? >> Sure. Please let me know what would happen if they voted no. >> You can't ask them what their vote is. >> I'm not asking what their vote is. >> I'm asking what would happen if they said no because they're saying we have
to say yes to what's allowed. >> This only works if when I'm speaking. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Speak. an application saying if the application is denied they get a bill they have a
right to go to court and be >> great let them do that say no nobody wants this not in this TOWN NOT IN CRANBER ANYWHERE IN YOUR ACCOUNT IF YOU DON'T WANT THIS YOU guys >> he's still speaking man the attorney
>> you guys represent THE PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT THE PEOPLE NOT CORPORATIONS YOU REPRESENT THE MICHELLE, >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. I'M SORRY I didn't hear you. >> Michelle Fagan, I live on North 20th Street in Kennorth. I am so disappointed in this.
That that young woman that came up here and saw all the age young guys, all How many of you guys are going to be here in 5 years? You're leaving this town in ruins. Your property value is going to dive >> if an AI center pulls into town. I have news for you. It's not a good look.
>> Nobody is going to want your town. So, if you think it's bad now, it's going to get even worse. My property taxes have skyrocketed. Not appreciative of the skyrocket. And I understand, but there are much better uses for that Burke property than what they are planning on building. So your
first responsibility should be to the taxpayers of this community as well as the surrounding towns that are even closer than some of us >> because the noise, the cost to the electricity and the cost and the damage to our water is indescribable with these
things. It is up to you. We This is the first step. I get it. But you can say no. You can find a reason somewhere along the way. but not changing the master plan to allow a data center without telling any of the residents. >> That was really scummy. Do you know why
there's no residents here, Harley? Because nobody knows about it. >> My daughter sent me something from from Instagram that had popped up. I'm not on Facebook to watch the mayor. I don't I don't really care about that stuff. But the town should be getting newsletters. They should be getting something when
it's this big and going to be this impactful. >> YOU'RE A DISGRACE. BE FREE about speak. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Sorry. Go right ahead. behind the center. Um, we already know that there is an AI
center built. You guys approve the plan. There is one on the side. We're asking you deny to split this property to divide it and make it bigger because we're the AI which we all see as the want to make a massive one. Please deny
the slope of the property. So we can't put additional things closer to our homes. That's why sorry I'm taking so long. Take all the time. I got too many. Robert,
I live on Walton Avenue. Uh 52. Molton Avenue is a one-way street. Bonito's restaurant is on it. And the first half of it is a oneway where the homes order parking.
The second part, the property's border what used to be murky. I look out my window and see a gigantic crane just two crosses down. Okay. So, somebody is building somebody. The point
is that you're going to make a decision that affects a lot of people. And I hope to God make the right one. I don't have a fancy line to say, but I just pray to God that you make the right
one cuz you're going to be impacting a lot of people's lives tonight, especially people that live practically on poverty cycle like I do. Thank you for your time. Thank you. >> Hello.
>> Hello. My name's uh Robert Payne. I'm from Rosel Park. So, I just recently moved over here. So, um just to let everyone know um recently moved over here, so still learning about the area. So, thank you Ken for having me here today. Um I am a investor
um worker. I've worked with um Toll Brothers, Dr. Horton on big development projects in North Carolina, New Jersey, and in New York. Um the owners probably know who they are. They are very big development companies. So, I'm used to
seeing something like this. Um I'm still learning about this uh future project you guys are having. Uh just for you to answer a couple of questions so that I'm better aware. If you could just look at me, sir, that would be greatly appreciated. Um, excuse me, sir. I was
just getting a motion from from a police officer, so please >> conduct yourself. I give you I'll give you all the respect, but give me the same. >> All right. Awesome. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. So, just kind of want to know, has this plan been built
yet or I mean, sorry, has been planned been um approved yet for the site or you you guys are just going through the process of what you want to build. Like has it been? So it's so so it's been so it's been approved. So it's been
approved. So it's been approved already. So from my best understanding is that before you build something, you usually have all your plans set up already. When it comes to subdivision, engineering, um you know, just everything that goes with it. just kind of want to know
what's the reasoning of subdividing this kind of late into the process if you already approved it and what's the benefit that's going to bring the community of the subdivision. >> So it wasn't approved. >> Okay. >> You said plan, right? Was the plan
approved? So there's a redevelopment plan which puts the zoning in place that was approved March of last year. Then there's a thing called a site plan which is what the buildings look like where the the size where the roads are with
fire trees are that has not been sight plan. >> Okay. >> All right. So this when you said planned I didn't >> No, no, I know. I just I just want to get my best understanding to what's being >> So it's not unusual to get the
redevelopment plan first, then subdivided property second, and then do the actual site plan third. That's not an unusual method on how you would do this. >> Okay. All right. Awesome. And then with
the subdivision that you guys are um asking for, how is this plan supposed to be helping out the community of Kellen Worth and just the surrounding towns with this uh project you guys are planning? >> Well, we're not planning anything. What
we are doing is here to hear about subdividing the land. We have not approved anything going forward. That will be at a later date, a next meeting, and all those questions could be asked and answered. >> Okay.
>> We are not approving anything here of what they're going to build, if they build, when they build. >> We're not here for that. >> Yeah, we we kind of we kind of already know what's already going there. Um I mean, there is no question about it. I understand legally you guys can't
physically say it, but even though you can't physically say it, I think we all have the paper in front of us of what's already going to be built um from the mayor, Linda. So, you know, $1.8 billion project. I don't think you guys are going to say no
to this. Um we all know how this works. Uh and like the older gentleman, Robert, I'm going to repeat the same thing that he said. I hope you make the right choice. think about your own people and your town and um yeah, thank you.
>> Thank you, Rob. >> Anyone else from the public wish to speak? >> Hi, my name is Megan Donnelly. I am a Union New Jersey resident. Um I actually just bought my house four years ago. uh right down the street. Uh I live on
Chestnut and I moved there with my husband and my little boy, 6 years old. Um and I just found out about this a couple weeks ago. I'm pretty devastated. Um I didn't I didn't hear about it except
for the the Facebook post and and and rumblings and murmurss, you know, rumors. You say you're going to announce the meeting, the next meeting in the paper, right? You make an announcement in the paper. >> It needs to get advertised.
>> It needs to get advertised. Okay. What paper? >> So, the state of New Jersey now says that it needs to be put on the municipal website. >> Okay. All right. Sounds good. >> So, so people actually fair enough. I just want to make sure. Sorry. I just
want to make sure that we all are aware of where this is going to be posted, when we should be looking for this so that we can all attend the next meeting to voice our concerns.
>> Like is it like just a just go to the website every day and check? >> It's okay if that's the answer. >> The It's not an everyday thing, but you would probably go once a month to >> Okay. if something is listed. Okay. And I just
want to make a request that if anybody sees that to make it very very public because I know that it isn't going to be made as public. >> Thank you. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. I'm right down the street. I
can see it happen. >> Ma'am, did you want to come up? >> Good evening. My name is Leah Lyens, L Y K Ns, and I live at 625 New York Avenue, walking distance from here. Uh, I just wanted to say that I'm a resident. I
invest in this community. I own my home and I work really hard to continue to own my home. I send my kids to school right here in Harding Elementary, which has been wonderful for me. My son is less than a mile away from this nest or Merc center. And
I also feel like completely caught off guard, especially since I have been following this. I am trying to stay on top of the world news. As challenging as that is, to stay on top of this local news should not feel so challenging. and
I feel a little taken back by that. My only request is that you take into account all of the children that we have in this community. I'm investing every day and I want to keep investing here in this community and I think that voting no right now till we have more
information is the best option for us. I think that the information is out there, right? We don't want to be negligent. We want to make the best decision for our community and to be able to do that we need to take in all the information. Corv has not hidden their final goal and our mayor has thankfully actually
confirmed that for us and given us some transparency. We know exactly what they want to do and so we should not turn a blind eye to that. It's all out there. It's been publicized. It's been confirmed and knowing that there are additional consequences that we should
look and make sure that are in place. And if they're not currently in place, we should slow this down. It's moving too fast. The entire community feels that way. >> How's it going? My name is Quinton Rodriguez Harrison. I'm a resident here of Kennallorth. I've been here for about
three years, come May. Uh we I'm born and raised in New York. I came out here with my wife uh with my one-year-old uh now we have two kids, a dog. We came out here to sell that and just help get away from you know the the busyiness of single life but being close
to it. So uh I'm also a uh software engineer. So I've been like right in the middle of this whole AI boom where my job we pretty much have to use it. So I've learned a lot about it. I have to interact with it. I understand all the pros and cons. And as much as it's a
transformative technology, like anything that's new, um there's clearly lots of unknowns, uh you know, there's no long-term studies yet on what what data centers will do to us in the long term. uh but we can tell for what's already out there, the amount of noise
pollution, potential water pollution, uh you know, just the damage to just the nature around us that we have uh and our fellow, you know, community members, right? So, a lot of people saying uh some great topics, there's some great
talks like clearly you guys have in your power to vote no, slow us down, that'd be incredible. Uh this should not be so hard to understand like the lead for me just said like uh this local news I found out about it on change.org when I went on next door and I was like this is
happening here because I've been reading about everything happening across the country and I'm looking at these websites too to see what works are going up what communities are doing to fight back and how they're being successful. Uh and I had no nowhere in my mind that I imagine it would be less than three
miles from me too. So, uh, once again, uh, this technology is transformative, but in terms of what it's bringing to the community, like is it bringing in a ton of jobs? Is it bringing in some kind of stability that we need here? Like, I
don't understand the purpose for the data center so close to where this technology could be done in areas where there's nobody. You know, we have plenty of space in this country. We have plenty of space in the Midwest in the deserts
and areas, not Midwest little towns, not near other people. We have plenty of space to just have these things be on their own, have their own water source, have their own like community just for this technology without rather affecting other people's lives. Uh so it just seems like a big oversight. The
technology is basically a big beta test on the world. uh where we we just don't know and it feels like you're drowning in uh you're drowning in this because you can't control anything. Like you guys are pretty much our first line of
defense in giving us this information and helping uh helping the mission trickle through for us to digest and be able to reach out to you as a representative. And as someone who's on the internet a lot and dealing with technology a lot, I didn't know anything
about this here and I know everyone else here is here because we're all surprised. So these data centers are going to be using tons of memory. I don't know if you're into computers, but memory used to cost like 50 bucks. Now it's like $500. Graphics cards are impossible to find
for people who play games. These data centers get stocked full of them. the technology depreciates too fast for it to have any kind of sustainability. You can have memory, you have graphics cards that burn out from three to five years, need to be rebought, need to be restocked, and you have this continuous
cycle of once that data center is built, it's already it's already uh possibly >> it's already old. They'll never catch up. >> I I got I got to say your time is up, but can I ask you a question? >> Yes. >> You've been before this board before, correct?
>> Yes. Do you think this board treats applicants fairly? >> I feel like you have. Yes. >> Thank you. And we do our research and we make allowances where they need to be made and we and we look at we look at
everything. Did we not or do we not? We we we try our best to do our best. So, what I'm asking the community here tonight is that we have an application in front of us that has really everything,
pardon me, I'm sorry, everything but nothing to do what you're telling me right now. Everything to do it but nothing to do with it because this application doesn't sit on what you're telling me tonight. In the future, everything that you just said should be brought to us in the in this forum and
everybody and everyone should come up and say and speak their peace when we could answer the questions thoughtfully, intelligently and give the community what they want to hear. Whether we like it, we don't like it or or approve it or
not approve it does not matter to us. We have to make sure that we answer every one of your questions. And I appreciate that you were truthful with us for the people here to to hear that we treat the people fairly. >> Thank you.
>> One last thing before I set that down. Sure. >> I understand in terms of like dealing with uh individual uh matters that I've been treated fairly. However, I'm not a corporation getting tax write offs. >> Absolutely not. And I didn't allude to
that. And I just I can't relate it the same cuz they're not, right? Is one's commercial and one is government funed money and one is like my property, a hard working property. I'm trying to guess >> I don't want to go back and forth with dialogue, but it's your property and
this is their property and we're looking at the property. You hit the nail on the head. We're just looking at the property. No, >> give us a give us give us a chance. give us a chance to do our job here. We heard you. We didn't say no. We heard you.
>> From what I've heard, since this is all new to me, it seems like it was approved in 20 something was approved in 2023. Then last year, something else was approved was approved. And then this past week, we've all heard about the latest. So, I guess that's where, you know, and I've only I wasn't I just
moved here in May 2023. So, I guess that's what the erosion of trust is where like it's already been signed up to that point. So that's where it seems like everyone has the issue where we're hearing this now on the, you know, on the 23rd hour, but it's like no one was
there from the beginning of the songs. And I think that's the main dispatch here where it's like people believe that you have their best interest in mind if it feels like you were brought to the table with someone that's going to affect them directly from the end. So thank you for your time. >> Thank you very much. Thanks for coming
up. I don't know if it's okay to speak again. Um, if you would indulge me just a moment. >> It's really not. If you want to if we want to be fair to the other people that are here and at the end, if there's more time, we would love to hear from you. Again, just to be fair to the other
public. Thank you very much. >> Hi, good evening. My name is Gabriella Ruda. I'm a resident of Clark. uh and uh certainly a resident of Union County. Um I wanted to come tonight to express my opposition um to the data center and uh
you know encourage other people to come out um to do whatever is possible to stop it. Uh over $156 billion dollars worth of AI data centers have been stopped from being um uh built in this country uh in the last year and a half.
And I think that uh people of New Jersey could band together to try to do whatever we can to um prevent this from happening or mitigating it. UM I also feel like a very informed individual and I just found out about
this days ago from a woman I admire on social media who I usually follow to look for lost dogs in the community. So, it is um you know, we're all the responsibility is on all of us to share this information and to come out and to hold you folks accountable. One of the biggest concerns I have about the water
usage from this AI data center would be the overburdening of the Rawway Valley uh sewer authority. Have you ever been there? >> Yes. >> Yeah. All of you have been there. >> I sat on the board. >> Okay. That's not all of you have seen where our wastewater goes. Um or the
amount of um microlastics that are continuing to cycle through that as they have moved more and more uh metal um gears uh out of that system into plastic. I can only imagine the environmental damage that will happen to
the Arthur Kill when this contaminated water coming from the town of uh Kennelorth will be pumped through the system uh from the data center and we'll do uh irreversible damage. So uh whatever can be done to hold um these
people accountable is necessary. And also, I got a chip on my shoulder against Core Weave when they're coming here to the Garden State and they're going after Lancaster, Pennsylvania. I don't know if you're familiar, but the most fertile land in this country is in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. And there is no
need to to to turn the land in Lancaster or the land in Kennallorth into the next super fund site, which is what's going to happen. So, um, please don't allow them to subdivide this property without knowing what they're going to do with it. Um, and uh, and otherwise if you
guys let it go, I hope everybody votes you out. Thank you very much. Have a good night. Thank you. >> Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Don Fall. I'm a resident in Union on Prospect Street, less than a mile from this site. Been there for 40
years. It's been good to me. And when I found out about this uh enterprise that was going to be uh developed certainly caused me concern as as everyone else here this evening and I've been standing in the back couldn't hear everything. I might have missed a
few comments and concerns but I think I certainly just um and I'm standing there thinking about everything that's being stated and you're following the procedures. you know, we're just here tonight for the subdivision, all that. And there'll be subsequent meetings where you get to
evaluate applications and decide and guide the owner with how they need to do things because that's essentially what you'll do. Um, and it it feels like you're just kind of
falling back on process and forgive me for saying, but just hiding behind it because what should have happened and I don't know if it would have been your group of people or someone else in town a year ago when apparently this property
was was purchased by the company. That was the point at which question should have been asked. Not now. It's like there's a couple of expressions that come to mind. The horse has left the barn, right? The train's left the station. It's going down the
track. It's a done deal. That's what it feels like. And I'll be shocked, pleasantly surprised, but shocked if what comes out of this meeting or subsequent meetings is to knock this development proposal down,
>> right? to do what's right for the good of the community, not for the almighty dollar. It's always about the money. I'm a sinner. I'm a sinner, but it's always, no matter what it is in life, it's always about the money. And I understand it'll be
nice taxable for Kennaworth. Uh helps everyone out, you know, with their positions and you can pat one another on the back. You know, you did a good job, whatever. from a town perspective, but not for the community. And that's what
everyone's voicing their concerns about. And one of the ladies that spoke a little while ago now raised a point about asking questions, and I heard you saying, well, you don't have the right to ask questions about
what you're going to use this property for. But it made me think of an ex a situation that my daughter and son-in-law who lived in Springfield recently encountered. They want to put a fence up on their property. It's a corner lot and they've got to get
variances from all the neighborhood right within 200 feet, whatever it is. And then explain what they're doing. and they and apparently there's some kind of uh aquifier or some environmental concern underneath their
property that is restricting them so far on what they can do. So something as simple as that, right? A residents they're being challenging questions about what they're planning to do. Why couldn't all of you question this
company? What do you plan to do? and then think about it and evaluate is this good for the community because it's not I mean I think a blind person can see it's not so I wouldn't want to be in your seat
frankly it's not an easy job I don't have any doubt about it but you know you got to stop and think about what's right for the community and >> I don't think anything with this that's the scenario that you created is interesting I'm sorry.
>> The scenario you created is interesting about the fence and the that's totally hysterical. >> The fence and the variance. So at that level, of course, they have to go to the permit department. Well, first they go
to the zoning board. The zoning board asks them what they're doing. And then when they show them what they're doing, because it's a property that is existing, right? and they either get an application that says yes, you have enough of room to do this or no, you
can't. You have to go either before the board. But if they had the room and they had were able to build your daughter's fence, it would have ended there. They would have signed the permit. What I'm telling you here tonight, it's a much larger scale than the fence, and I get
it. But if they meet a criteria of subdividing property, it is not the business of the sport to ask what they're doing. Now, it it it is resonating that, hey, what are you doing over there? I'm not saying that we're
naive. We're saying maybe it's a question that we might ask in the future, but right now, if you're asking me if the question was asked, I'm going to say no because that's transparency. because we are not in a position to ask
that question. They're coming for an application that says they want to divide their land and they have the right to do so if it meets all the criteria. >> What are the >> that's all we're saying at this point >> and you we could respect each other for that. Right. >> I I hear what you're saying and at this point in time I get it. Again, my
earlier point was the opportunity was missed a year ago before they bought the property and I don't know who has purview over that. I really don't. But somebody should been asking questions when Corview with a reputation as to what their business is all about. They
want to come and buy what are you gonna do with it? I I'd be hardressed to think you somebody wouldn't be entitled to ask the question and stop and think and pause. Is this good? And that that was the time it should
have been stopped. But >> maybe I'll be surprised. >> Thanks. Thank you very much. Thank you for coming out. Anyone? Anyone else? So, can I ask you people um who are still out there, I would like to give
the lady a second chance uh to speak. So, if there's when we come to the end of this, just let me know and then I will give you the opportunity to come up again. Okay, ma'am. Thank you. Yes, sir. >> Hi, my name my name is Ben Joel from Brazil Park. I've been here for about 30
years and we all know you certainly know the city of New Brunswick could halt their deny their data center. So it seems I was engineer so I understand all all those all this
process how it goes. It seems what is going on right now been built, been digged, been electric. >> The city of New Brunswick denied what? >> The data center. >> The data center. I'm sorry I couldn't hear you. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> So, uh, yeah, that's a fact. Um no one can blame Canor this con this board from those high electric pole and for the because if as long as they are digging outside of can works it's not your
responsibility of course you can deny the that the purpose maybe maybe they haven't uh announced it yet but we see that is the process of creating effect on the So eventually everything already in in
place and money spent. How can you say no? >> So the stake is pretty high. My question is where are we in the process? Are we still able to something like New Brunswick to happen here or is already
too far gone? >> So I'm going to answer what I think I heard. Okay. I think you told me or told this board and everyone here that New Brunswick denied the data center. >> Correct. >> Right. But prior to that, uh, they had a
piece of property that they may have subdivided. You didn't give me that information. You you you you went right to the data center. And we're not talking about a data center tonight, right? But somewhere but somewhere along the line, they had a piece of property
that they had. We we could shout out or we could have a great dialogue. Folks, come on. Let's let's try to be civil there. Look at what he just told me. The data center was denied by the board. I don't know why. It could have been a a multitude of
reasons. >> Yeah. Because this student, >> you know why? Because you were there. I don't know why I wasn't there. Why was it denied? It's probably because they didn't supply or give enough information and the board saw that this was not a
fit. I don't know. But I do know this. Prior to that happening, that parcel, that land had to be either divided, subdivided, or an approved use for them to even come in with an application. And
that's all we're doing here tonight. If it's an approved use for an application, that's all we're doing, sir. We're not approving anything except that if that happens, >> it was denied because all the Rogar students plus the New Brunswick residents opposed to it, right? So they
say, "Oh, build your data center in the in the desert." So so nobody get bothered. And here is concerned the property value of the resident nearby not necessarily only kind of the union ro park or in close by and so many small
business around and the electric bill will go up and the the geological local geolog geological factor I'm not sure if the not not necessarily contamination but
the heat generated where do you get loose, you have to v vaporize in the air or or or you you you use a a heat how do you call that? Um heat pump to to get into the groundwater. So where does the heat go when that time comes? Yeah. You
ask those questions and they will be able to be answered because that's the forum in which you can ask those question. >> I'm happy to hear that what you said that means we are not yet too far gone. >> We're not there. >> Thank you. >> We're we're here. Thank you. Anyone else
from the public wishing to speak? >> Yeah, you can. >> And I say that, sir, with respect. I I try to say it with respect that we're not there yet. We're here. You know what I'm saying, sir? >> Good evening. This is Ray Reynolds. I live >> Can I just interrupt one second?
>> Yes, sir. >> Sir, uh people in the back, uh sir. Sir, we have a microphone and a camera there and it's going through. I you know, thank you, >> sir. Uh this is Ray Reynolds. I live in Rosa Park. I live very near two houses
away from Kennaworth and I previously lived in Canorth for 15 years. And last summer at the around the end of September, my wife was very upset. She heard a loud
sound and uh we drove around looking for the source of what it was and it was the property in question and I recorded it and I just want to play it.
Now this uh you can hear a robo >> and I recorded this audio. It's it's what you and it was I'm probably saying expletives on the recording, but it was quite a shocking
thing to hear and it's something that if any neighbor of mine did things like that, we think of them as a bad neighbor. And it just in my take, this company, whatever they're doing there, they're a
bad neighbor. And I understand you know you have your criteria and hopefully at the next session we'll be able to address this. Thank you. >> We will. Can I ask you a question then sir? >> Yes sir. >> That sound that you heard did that happen one time or every night?
>> It happened several times and then we it it was almost like you know what is this sound? Is it the parkway? is it you know and then finally we got in the car and drove around looking for it was several nights in a row and I must say that I haven't I don't think I've heard it
since but it was some kind of a release that was happening. It was like a giant pressure cooker that if you I don't know if you've ever cooked with a pressure cooker, it has >> not very well, but yes. >> Right. So, uh it was like that on this
giant scale and there was a cloud of possibly steam coming up which is also on the recording and it was very shocking thing to see and it it makes you wonder like what is that? The place used to be a pharmaceutical plant. So, uh,
>> did you ever hear or see that when it was a pharmaceutical plant? >> Well, I used to live actually I grew up in Union up off of Washington Avenue >> and I never saw anything like that. You you smelled some terrible smells coming from it, but uh I've lived in this area
my whole life and this is like the gaug. >> Thank you. Thank you for your time, sir. you were already up. >> I think I can show you what he's talking about. >> Yeah, but can we just wait a while for that? But I I appreciate it, but I want to be fair to the others.
>> Okay. >> Um, is there anyone else who has not spoken from the public, please? >> Turn back for me take a fivem minute recess. >> You want to do that now? >> Ma'am, would you mind so much if the board took a fivem minute recess? >> Okay,
>> please. I guess you know why. Motion. >> Yes. A motion for the board to take a fivem minute recess. Motion made by Mr. David by Mayor Kovich. All in favor? >> I few more minutes.
>> No. I could go. >> Um, we're just waiting for Kathy. We're just waiting for our secretary to come in here and then we'll get it back under way. >> Thank you. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Um
uh I'll make a motion to reconvene the meeting. Motion made by Mr. David, second by Mr. Mazio. All in favor? >> I >> Okay. Um, we are still in the public portion. Can we see by a show of hands,
how many more people would like to come up in this public session before I um ask the the woman in the back and the other lady um to come up because that would end our public portion. I just want to see how many we have. Ma'am,
>> I'd like to go, but it will be my second time. >> Well, I'm only going to allow two people, so you figure on who um did this. We had one come up already. We went against the grain. We're trying to accommodate. If you would like to share your information with another person,
that would be fine. But after the session's over, I have the lady that's by the door, and I saw another lady who wanted to show me her camera. Where is that lady? >> Is she still here? If you want to yield to someone else, we're going to take two of whoever is
here. Show of hands who have not come up. >> Okay. All right. We are open. Um, whoever wants to come up first that has not been up here, please come up to the podium and state your name and address for the record, please.
>> Uh, my name is Christine Belle, Kendall Worth, New Jersey. I think a lot questions that I had have been addressed, but the common theme that probably really strikes me the most is a
lot of people seem to be been taken by surprise. So, I did a little due diligence, saw an article. Um, Mayor Kurovich, there was actually some quotations from you and I guess one of the things with Merc, it's gone.
And um there's something within the quote that you know we're we're building for the future. My question is because right now the future I'm getting more and more concerned scared what the future would be with this AI center.
What does my town council think the future is going to be with an AI center when you're hearing everything about concerns about cost concerns about the environment and
it's not just in Kennorth it's it's all over the country but we're I know we're talking about Kennorth now but we can't help but absorb outside information to to for me to learn because I knew nothing about I don't know what a closed
loop cooling system is. I don't continuous use of local water. I don't really know what that means. Does that mean you use water, you recycle it? So, I'm hoping that we can get educated by our town council, but
I would like to know what you think the future would be with an AI center. >> You're asking the board what we think the future would be. >> Yes. >> We're not the council. council. >> We planning board, but what does the planning board think the future is?
>> I can't voice an opinion in the position that I'm in at this point because I have to have I have to listen to the case that's in front of me and the ones that may come at a later date. So, I can't voice an opinion because then I would
have to recuse myself from the board because I made a statement. We've had some issues like that where board members may have said, "I like this. I don't like this." And well, you've already drawn a conclusion and we have
to stand on the evidence and the testimony that's brought to us at that particular time. So, I am certainly not evading your question. I'm telling you why I can't answer the question. >> Okay. But one one comment and then I I
will be done. is counterwork did a I can use an example of the snowstorms we had. I knew when to put my garbage out another day. I knew when to put my recycling. My mailbox gets flooded and everybody else's when you want to get when a
council want somebody wants to be elected to serve their community. Maybe our boxes, mailboxes should be flooded with information just like when somebody wants our votes because nobody should be caught unaware of the subject.
>> I appreciate this and thank you very much. >> You make good points and thank you very much. Was there someone else who hasn't been heard? I think the gentleman in the back was first, sir, if you don't mind. >> Oh, he goes first. Okay. Please, please
come up. May I use my time totally? >> I'm sorry. I can't hear my time. >> No, sir. >> No. >> No. >> No sir. >> There's a gentleman that needs to speak first. >> Of course. That gentleman after
let gentleman finish first. Sir. >> Good evening, council. My name is Pedro Shamasu. I've been a resident of Kenny since I was four. Um I just have a question. Um based on the previous the response you gave to the previous one.
Uh you had stated that you can't give a response or a statement yourselves. I would just like to know when we can ask the council um about this project that is being approved. >> I I'm going to answer that. First of all, we are not the council. We're not
the governing body. We are the planning board. Okay. We work under different rules and guidelines. Pardon me, it's been a long night. Um, when the woman asked about the the question that she asked is what was my
opinion, my opinion is not what's important here. It's I can't speak to that. If you're asking me when you could speak to this or when you can ask the questions, if and when the applicant
comes back before us and he has to file an application, you will have another forum just like this where people could ask the questions that you are ask trying to ask tonight that we can't ask because we're here for a major subdivision. I hope that answered it.
>> It didn't. You want me to be more clear? >> Yes. Okay, my opinion does not matter because I can't voice my opinion because I can't lean to one side or another. I can't say I like it or I hate it because then I would already have a position and
that's not fair to the applicant nor is it fair to the burrow. So I have to remain neutral until I hear all the facts, the board hears all the facts and then we decide what we need to do at that particular level. I hope that cleared it up.
>> Is there any Do you guys have any idea as to when that would happen? >> So, I'm going to say there is no idea when that's going to happen because no application has been filed at this point. If and when an application is filed, then a notice will go out. It'll
be on the website. You will see it from there. But no, I cannot give you that answer because there's no application. And would this board be able to provide that information to the town of Kennorth? >> The board will follow the Robert's rule
of our body, which would mean that we will have the secretary uh send notice in the 200 foot radius as we always do. And in addition to that, it'll be on the website and it'll be on is that right? The website or I don't
want to see social media. It'll be on the website. So that's what we are required to do. But I'm sure that the 200 applica the 200 people in the radius will inform other people and also help to get the message out. But that's what
we are required to do as as our planning board. >> Thank you. That's my question. >> Thank you. Thank you for coming out tonight. >> Can I ask are you Oh, you have something. No, >> you left. >> Okay.
I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. Anyone else from the public wishing to speak? Because when I call this second lady up, in fairness, I'm closing the meeting to the public after I see you. Okay. Is that fair to
everyone out there? We We're following. >> Yes. >> I have a couple objections. >> You have a couple of what? >> Objections. >> Um >> or legal legal questions for you. >> You have legal Did you come up and speak yet? >> I did briefly. Yes, >> you did. >> I'd like to speak again.
>> Okay. So, I I don't I don't know how to answer that, ma'am. Maybe the attorney can help me, but I am going to make an exception tonight to hear the lady in the rear. Um, please come on.
>> No, you were second. I think she was first. And we hold we heard everybody. I want to give everybody a fair chance. If we didn't hear somebody tell me now, please. >> Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. >> No, no worries. Annette Diamandopalos uh
from Cranford, New Jersey. Um there just some questions that came up after listening to the conversations and to some of your responses and I would like some clarification please as it um I I think it pertains to this subdivision.
Um I guess my first question is I being a resident of Cranford I I didn't I wasn't privy to any information. I understand that and I did see the mayor's post. Um, but now that I think about it, I I feel that there's some conflict of interest that in the post it
was clear that there was a $1.8 billion welcoming of a data center, yet we're here just talking about subdivision. It It just doesn't Something's not sitting right. And I was wondering if um the attorney could possibly clarify that for
me because they just just doesn't seem right. I I don't have the legal ease to say why, but there's something that doesn't sit right that you would be making a decision tonight and not pausing considering such a conflict. You just mentioned Mr. um is it Prescerno or
Pera? Presso um that you know you don't want to appear biased, you know, but these two things were put together. So I'm just curious if you can respond to that or offer clarification. >> No problem. the the applicant had a
choice. They could have come in one complete package, which some people do, which is a subdivision with an actual site plan, which shows what they're building, what they're proposed to build, and then that's a fuller, more indepth hearing on all the issues that
everyone's working with, right? Traffic, noise, operations, water, electrical, all that is all the fuller The law also permits someone to just come in and cut that in half or
bifrocate it and just put an application in for the subdivision. So the subdivision application is what was given to the board to move on and that's what's there. the with regard to the
data center and all the reports the data center and other types of uses were approved in a redevelopment plan. So the use of the data center uh or the use of a property as a data center or warehouse
or other commercial research labs started to go through the 15 different uses that were permitted or what is permitted there as a permitted use. Okay, I appreciate the explanation and I don't mean to be contradictory. It's just I did watch the video and they made
it very clear that they wanted to expand and it seems to me that this is some sort of strategy to divide us and keep us from seeing some information. Um I'm not saying that's your intention, but it seems to be clear to me.
>> Um okay, >> I can't >> I know you can't speak for them. I can't speculate with three judge meetings in the court as to the motivations behind why they chose this particular path as >> I I did speculate a little bit before
where I said you know sometimes there's finance reason financial reasons >> they're they're pretty they're pretty rich people they can afford they they made that very clear how how big they are and they were pounding their chests
and so and so they made very clear in that meeting that they wanted to expand. And so I'm asking you to pause. It seems so bizarre to me that you would be forced to make a decision tonight. My second question is, and it was offered
by someone else, um is if you do not vote tonight or if you vote no. My question is if you vote no tonight, is there any um legal consequences for Kennallworth? Is there a violation of
any contract or legality signed by the town with this particular business? So, as I was trying to say earlier, any applicant that receives a no vote or
result that they do not like has the opportunity to appeal that to a judge in the superior court and the judge will look at the same body of law and the same rules and regulations that govern this court. And you need a basis, right,
to make for the denial. cannot be what the phrase is arbitrary and capriccious which essentially means that it's not just because the board doesn't like it. Hence why the chairman and the board are very cautious to say what they personally think.
>> Being a juror to a jury I might not like what's going on but I have rules I have to apply. Is it arbitrary if it's put in the contract that you have to say yes or if >> there is no contract here that says that this board has to vote. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. >> No problem.
>> Um and um another question about um bifurcating or you know separating these divisions dividing it. Apologies. Um I just found out that it's a flood zone coming from Cranford. We're highly sensitive to flooding and I wanted to
know what the uh ramifications are for dividing a flood zone and if it's possible to subdivide a flood zone in this manner. >> So the subdivision has no limitations on a flood zone. >> It doesn't there's nothing
>> building within a flood zone. It's got the drawing of lot lines right there. uh some people actually somewhat get rid of the flood zone and make it own separate lots. So whether or not it's in the flood zone or not in the flood zone not a basis
whether it's a separate lot. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. And then very lastly because I I know you're all very taxed today and we really appreciate that you open this up in this way. I just want to offer this again because I did watch you know in the past and one
of you asked about the decibel levels. I heard you and there was a gentleman with some map and he's like oh yes we're within the parameters of 50 decibel decibb uh in the evening and 65 during the day. But no one asked the
ramifications of what that does to your health. And so I want you to pause and I I want everyone to, you know, if you haven't done this study or looked into this, I want you to understand that long-term exposure to 50 decel noise
environment is recognized by the health authorities as a chronic low-level stressor that can cause significant health problems over time. The individuals that are most affected are our children,
our parents, the elderly, and individuals that have health issues. These issues that are accelerated include cardiovascular disease, mental health disorders, cognitive decline,
metabolic issues caused by the chronic disruption of sleep which can also lead to obesity and diabetes and immune system dysfunction. As someone who studies neuroscience, I can tell you that everything is connected.
So, I'm just going to take my moment. I'm going to thank you again, but please pause. Doesn't this give you pause? If you don't know this already, don't you want to know more before you subdivide? Because we know they want to expand and
all of this will be expanded. I mean, that is the nature, right? If we multiply 2 by two, it becomes four. So everything that is already going to happen with this data center will be exponentially
um increased. Please consider that and I thank you very much for your time and your attention. Thank you. >> Thank you ma'am. Thank you very much for coming. >> I I don't think that was the lady. I think it was the lady with the phone. Correct. You said you said I could refuse to let someone else die.
>> Who who said that? >> You said >> Oh, I'm sorry. The hour. >> Good. >> Pardon me. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> So, I was up before >> I remember. >> Yeah. And I kind of asked a question of what we committed to and nobody could
really give me an answer. So, somebody handed me no no disrespect for anything, but Linda's post that we are proud to welcome a 1.8 billion investment by Core Weeb to develop a state-of-the-art AI
facility on this site. So, is that one of them or is that all? Did you give into one or four of the the splits or how how is this being incorporated into this since we we are proud to welcome the investment?
So, I'm just curious. >> So, um Mr. DeMarco, I think you uh said with the last person that was up that this was part of a redevelopment or I think Mr. Massie, somebody said that. Yeah, this is part of a reveling plan that would permit what you just read,
which was the $1.8 billion AI center. Um, the application does not lay out where that or what in that property where it's laid out or
what type of buildings or what they do. Do >> you don't know the acreage or anything? I don't know if they're taking over the subsidies. All we know is the acreage of the four sights. >> So they're taking one of them for now with this. I guess >> nobody knows like we we wanted it
though. So I'm just curious. >> You're you're put two different things together. >> So there's a subdivision. Yeah. >> Four lots, >> right? >> There's an article or statement that says what they want to build. >> Okay.
>> They can build that. And we don't know yet because they haven't submitted their plans yet >> on two of the four lots, three of the four lots, all four lots, one of the four lots, >> right? So I can't answer that. And there is no commitment to what the actual
layout, size, scope, how big, where, how it operates, how the water system works, how the electrical system works. that plan and application has not been submitted to this board to be reviewed and to be considered.
>> So nothing's been approved then. So we're kind of in there. We're not >> like they're doing all that PSEG work around us ripping up all the streets. >> But that's for them. >> But it's on a different block, right? >> Yeah. you as the question.
>> Yeah. >> That development is on a different block. >> Okay. >> Not one of these. >> Okay. >> Okay. These four there is a redevelopment plan that lists 15
permitted uses. What that means in in like a residential neighborhood you can do one family, two family or three family, right? So you can do three uses. In commercial or retail, they will list multiple uses. So, there's a redevelopment plan that was approved by
the municipality last year that lists 15 potential uses. So, a combination of those 15, one of those 15 can be put on this any of these four lots once they're subdivided. if
they're where they put them, what they put them, how big they are, what they look like, how they operate is the subject of another type of application which is a site. So they're permitted as a use. One of
the uses is a data center. All right. But to answer your question, I could not say to you that where it's going with what that commitment is does not exist. >> Could that be null and void that decision? Like could this all go away?
>> We are not allowed to prejudge that because that case, that matter has not been put here. So that's why the board, it's frustrating. It's really really frustrating. Right. But it it is similar to a traditional case here in the court.
The judge is limited to the case, the testimony and what the person is there for, not the other stuff that they might have done or they going going to do next week or anything else. This board operates in that same type of capacity.
An application came in. They have to look at the application. Not whether or not they personally like it or not, whether they think about it, but whether or not it meets the requirements of the local zoning, state requirements,
whatever, DP, storm water, all those things. This board is tasked with doing that. The challenge is a subdivision. The bar for that is really low. You just take a lot, you go, did you
make the lots permittable sizes? And when you have a big piece of property at a 40 acre parcel, it's really easy to subdivide because it's 10 acres, 7 acres, 8 acres, right? It could have been 11 acres, 6 acres, 5 acres. That's
a low bar. The higher bar that you're all chopping at the bid at and I respect that is when they come in to say this is what I want to do with those 10 acres or seven. >> They're going to group it and just take it all over. They may just be massive mess.
>> They may or they can come in pieces and we'll we'll we'll deal with it as it comes. But that's >> my concern is too is my property value because who's going to want to live next door to that? I'm like I'm like a quarter mile away from this monstrosity that's blowing like a a nuclear I
couldn't believe what was coming out of that. I'm like so how many times is that going to happen? The noise hasn't started yet. It it just doesn't make any sense to me. It's like nobody's going to want to live near this. So what's going to happen to people with their homes? Like if I want to retire and sell my
home I don't I don't want to live next to that because there's several towns that deny this like band it like get out of my town. But there's >> and I don't understand like how it went really smooth here. >> There's a process and one question ask
what happens if you say no to report traditionally courts say it back or say you can't do it right so there are a lot of cases where people do not like religious institutions are starting to be built because people who moved in prayer for
God or things of that nature. So seven years ago, meetings like this were dealt with whether or not somebody was putting a temple in or a mosque or things of that nature. >> And some of them were said no different >> and they wound up in court and judges were like, "Hey, there's a process.
There's rules. There's case law that needs to be done in a process. If you want to deny something, you have to state valid reasons. You have to have the basis for it. It has to make sense, right? We can't just say you don't.
That's the system that that's laid out in New Jersey. That's the process. >> I mean, again, there's a lot of factual things that are wrong with these these AI areas. I mean, >> we're not there yet. >> So, that's what I'm saying. So, they vote. What are you voting on >> whether or not there should be one lot
or four lots? >> So, it's already a done deal with these people coming in whether it's one or four. And that's >> No, that's the application that hopefully We are welcoming >> 15 minutes. >> So I was just want we are welcoming a
1.8 billion investment. So this is false then I guess >> that is not part of the testimony that was given. >> Okay. I I think I have to step in. I think Mr. DeMarco answered all your questions
>> and I think we gave you a second chance. It's actually a third >> third one. >> Yeah. Right. >> I think we did the best we could to try to answer all your questions and I was smile. Excuse me, ma'am. I was smiling
at the lady in the back who raised her hand before who who gave over your >> to do with what she was saying because I live on burn and it's a two second video. Like it's not I'm not going to ask them any questions. I just want to show you what the video is that I took that I've been there 25 years.
>> How do we even know if it's >> What do you What do you want to do, ma'am? >> I want to show you the video that I took from my house to what's coming out of her that I've been here 26 years and I've never seen this before in 26 years which led me to take the video.
>> Sure. Not >> sorry to stress disrespect and credit but >> that really has no bearing on this. I mean we're at a point in time where >> are we at general comments? >> When I called Kathy said we were going to be talking about subdivide and then
you'll call for general comments. So that's why I didn't speak up in regards to this. Everyone else kind of openly shared about the AI data center. So I was waiting for general comments. >> Well, we have combined the two. >> I didn't know that. if that's possible. Can I >> So, you want to make a comment?
>> I would love to. >> I'm not going to deny you up before. Oh, you've been up here before, though. >> Yes, but I was up in regards to the subdivision parts. When I called, Kathy said there's parts about >> sub. I'm going to I'm going to give you three minutes. Go right ahead. >> Thank you so much. Okay, so um
>> these are comments now, right? >> Comments, I promise. >> Go ahead. Um, so when I got here it was 6:30 and this was before the AC was on, but there was like a very low annoying hum and I was like, "Oh my god, I'm going to get a headache just sitting here." So shout out to putting on the AC. It's cooler, but that hum is louder.
I'm very sensitive in that regard. Um, a lot of us have seen the video in Vinland, New Jersey about their data center about that low hum. I can't imagine being close to that place. So that's why Kennorth hearing about that this potentiality of it being here, I was like, "Oh my god, I got to go today. I don't even know what I'm going to say,
but here I am. So, um I also wanted to say that um I grew up in the 90s, so technology has constantly advanced and changed from rotary phones to cordless phones to the Nokia brick phones to Blackberries, uh to simply now Apple or Android. Um remember AOL dialup, Direct
TV, TV to all these things. Uh it's like we're living the Jetsons now. Like I can heat up my oven with a voice command. Um I don't want it yet it's here. So what's next? I realized that there's a New Jersey Next program that gave uh according to online according to AI lol
um that the state of New Jersey gave $250 million uh tax credit to Coreweave for this center in in Kennallorth. Um it's just unsettling cuz I grew up um watching, you know, you stay up late at
night and then you would see the commercials come on or whatever the infomercials and one of the things that I saw was like don't live near power lines. it's bad for your health, blah blah blah. I remember that cuz I was a night owl, so I always saw that on TV as a kid. And then like now seeing it as an adult, it's like, oh, is this our
version of power lines? You know, the data centers coming up and it's it's said that in the state of New Jersey, we're going to be in the top five for AI um infrastructure, which is scary because between Vinland, um Williamstown, and and Kennallorth, I didn't think this would be so close.
Like one of the previous gentlemen said, I didn't think it would be like in my backyard. Um, so you know, just in that regard, you know, saying like don't live near power lines. And now here we are in 2026, there's apartment buildings under power lines and on top of contaminated lands. I realize my being here may seem
a little of a waste of time as a deal is already done. However, within a 30 mile radius, I feel like everyone in this area should be concerned for their health, for their sleep, for their water and electricity usage and property value. I think there should be more people here. I think we should be here
even later. I'm thankful for you letting me say these last comments, but I think this should be a bigger concern than what it is. Um it it was said it'll bring in 140 jobs, yet right now there's um 71 teaching jobs available in Kennoworth alone. We don't need this, you know, and it's likely those jobs
more than likely will go to people that are already working for Core Weave, you know, going to be remote workers from like Tahiti. They're not going to be Kennorth residents. So, I ask that you reconsider this rapid data center and put an ordinance in place for traditional warehouses warehouses as
they did in Williamstown. Thank you for your time. I appreciate you guys and I just want to say I appreciate everybody being here because our voices do matter. So, shout out to you guys. Thank you very much. >> Okay, that now concludes uh the public
portion we gave. I'm sorry. >> No, I was making a motion to close the public. The motion was made by Mr. Ladi, seconded by >> Mr. Mazio. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. So, um the board has heard everything
from our professionals, the public, and it is now um a determining factor of what we do up here. We have heard the public and we've heard the public loud and clear. So, um Mr. help. Can you can
you help us out here a little bit? One of the one of the things that were constant in the public portion was don't you ask what's going on with the four lots and um what are they doing
there? So I was um speaking from the board level that that's not what we do. We don't we don't ask that. Uh I I guess it might help the uh public uh for me to
ask you, do you know what is going on here or can can you explain to help us uh understand what you may know about the subdivision? Okay. Well, first of all, I'd like to thank the board, the
board professionals and staff and the members of the public for their their time uh and efforts this evening and and the concerns that were expressed. Um, as far as the uh applicant/owners of the property, they looked at the redevelopment plan, looked at the uh
what could be done in so far as the subdivision and and created the subdivision plan which was testified to that meets all of the criteria under the redevelopment under the redevelopment plan and under the applicable zoning
ordinances. as far as uh what may occur uh in the future. If that point comes, as aptly noted by by both the board and council, we would be back before this board for a presentation. But again, the
subdivision was done to meet as your board professionals indicated all of the criteria under the redevelopment plan. And again to emphasize what uh what you indicated as chair council indicated the board members
if there's future development uh of this site we would be back before this board on notice and the like. So, and and just reiterating uh it is a totally conforming subdivision under a
wellcraftrafted redevelopment plan and the applicant uh worked within the parameters of that. >> Thank you, Mr. H. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. And again, just to indicate that we would request that the board grant
the application again because it's totally conforming as council has indicated and indicated by the board and as confirmed by your professionals. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Hill. Um, okay. Members of the board, u our professionals, um,
Darren, Mika, Joe, do you have anything to add to this here tonight? um before the board uh makes their decision. >> Not so much but not so much in this decision but for any future applications as I know Joe said to check the uh
website once a month just so everybody's aware the planning board is every Tuesday the last Tuesday of the month. So you should probably check like the la like about 7 to 10 days before the last Tuesday of the month just so everybody knows when to look for the information if there's any future information out.
Okay. Good. Okay. So um on the floor we heard the um major subdivision. We heard from the public. Um it's been a long night and we hear uh
what you're saying. However, we are here to um vote on a subdivision that's before us that uh seems uh not seems that meets all the criteria as in their testimony. Is there someone to make a
motion to approve or deny this application the way it's been presented? >> Postpone. >> I'm sorry. >> Can you postpone? >> Oh. Oh, I didn't I I thought somebody from up here then I saw you
>> postpone your decision to >> I made a motion to approve this. >> The motion is made by Mr. Clemente to approve this application. Is there a second? >> Second. Um did you get them?
>> Who is that? >> Oh, okay. So was approve motion made by Mr. Kathy, second by you. Right. >> Okay. Roll call, please. >> Mayor Carlo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Perno, >> yes. >> Mr. Scarice. >> Yes. >> Mr. David? >> Yes. >> Mr. Clementi?
>> Yes. >> Mr. Mazio? >> Yes. >> Mr. Leowi? >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Okay. The application um has been approved. >> Um >> big surprise.
Thank you again for your time. >> I'm sorry. Yeah, >> we could wrap up. >> No, no, that's it. >> That's just Just wait. >> Yeah, just wait here because
um we are >> Yes. shameful. >> Have a good night. Thank you for coming out. Thank you. >> Just for the board just >> just for the board members, the the the people are exiting. So, we're just going
to hold off a couple minutes because we can't hear one another. Comments. Yeah, we're going to do that. We can't hear one another while they're actually meeting. >> Excuse me folks out there. Um, our meeting is still going and recording. If
you stay, you can stay, but we need to either exit or we have to keep it down because this is all being recorded. Okay, >> this is now just us closing the meeting. >> Is there um any comments for the good of the board?
I don't know if anybody >> that's for us, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. For the board members, are there any comments, >> Mr. Scar? >> Board members. >> Board members, >> we're still in session. >> Is there any comments for the good of
the board? Anyone? No. No board members? >> Okay. >> Okay. Make a motion to adjourn. >> Okay. Second. Okay. >> All in favor?
>> Thank you everyone for coming out.