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in regards to this meeting. Can we stand for the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for all. Roll call please. >> Mayor >> here Mr. >> here >> here >> Mr. Pina >> here >> Mr. Mio >> here Mr. >> here >> Mr. Mr. there. >> I'll be with you in one minute, Kathy.
As soon as I find my agenda. Thank somebody my desk. That was you. >> Is there a motion to approve the minutes for November 25th, 2025? Motion made by Mr. Gmaldi, >> seconded by Mr. Kello. All in favor?
>> I. >> Okay. Kathy, any communications? >> No. Chair. >> Okay. Okay, seeing none, the resolution for application number 225008, Nest, Mr. Rego. Yes. Um, the board heard this application, the preliminary and
final site plan approval at its November meeting, November 25th. This is one in a line of approvals for this lot, Galping Hill Road. The board may recall the Nest 15 building. I've requested approval to
do some interior work in the courtyards. um build three corridors, do some landscaping and uh some some uh drainage improvements. Pretty straightforward. No variances were requested or were needed
and the board approved this. Okay. So, if you all remember, I was not here that night. Greg David chaired this. So, I can't vote. So, whatever is in that resolution, I reserve uh the board to uh say, is that in order and everything okay?
>> Okay. Seeing that, is there a motion to approve the resolution? Motion again made by Mr. Galdi, seconded by Mayor Carlo. Roll call. >> Mayor Carovich, >> yes. >> Uh, Mr. Clementi, >> yes. >> Mr. Pentina, >> yes.
>> Mr. Matt, I weren't here. >> You weren't here. Uh, Mr. Lawy, >> yes. >> Mr. Kella, >> yes. >> And Mr. Gumaldi, >> yes. >> Okay. Moving on to resolution planning board plannings board's meeting dates for 2026 and I have in my hand the
resolution for the meeting meetings for 2026 right Kathy so that's the one that's this one right >> I have it in my hand you guys >> they got a copy of it too >> everybody you gentlemen and ladies have a copy of this and this is the
resolution approving the uh dates for 2026. We also uh talked in our workshop there. There may may be some amendments to this during the January and or February meeting because things fall around Thanksgiving, around Memorial Day, and
around Christmas. Correct. >> So, we'll look at it at that point. But if that's okay, can someone make a motion? It's a motion made by Mr. Clemente, seconded by >> Second. >> Mayor Carloic. Is chairman a motion to
hold this until January or to approve it and amend it later? >> I think we can >> I'm going to advertise it. >> Approve. >> The resolution says I have to do it by the um 8th of January.
>> So the motion is to approve. >> So the motion is to approve and then we'll amend during the next couple of months. So the motion was made by I think Mr. Kmente, seconded by Mayor Kovich. and roll call. >> Mayor Carlo, >> yes. >> Mr. Perno,
>> yes. >> Mr. >> Clementi, >> yes. >> Mr. Pantina, >> yes. >> Mr. Matio, >> yes. >> Mr. Lawy, >> yes. >> Mr. Kella, >> yes. >> And Mr. >> Okay. application uh 2409 Eric Chavez,
61 South 19th Street. >> I guess you're Mr. Chavez. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay, Mr. Sh, I'm sorry. If I may, I've been informed by the board secretary that notice of publication uh are appropriate or in order.
>> Yes. And why don't we swear in Kevin Christian. He's our planner and our engineer. Gentlemen, with regard to this to this [laughter] this application. Do you swear the testimony show you the truth uh to help you God? >> Thank you.
>> Okay, Mr. Why don't we swear you in Mr. Sho, you could raise your right hand. With regard to this application, do you swear the testimony that you're about to give show the truth? I don't. And for the record, if you could state your name and spell your last name, please. Eric
Chavez. C H A D E S. And you're the applicant and the owner of the property? Yes, sir. Okay. >> So, uh just to reiterate, Mr. Chavez, um when you don't have representation, uh to make things go a little bit smoother, easier, uh to we can so we can keep some
type of format, uh we usually ask our planner to walk you through this unless you want to do this on your own. >> Okay, it's all yours. >> Mr. Chav is I believe you were going to
make an introduction and tell the board about the project. >> Yes. So, uh the reason I'm here is I'm proposing to do a side addition to my home. [music] Uh I have a detached garage currently. I would like to remove that, attach it to the home and uh create a a bedroom above
it as well as expand my master bathroom and my uh master closets. And then coming down back down to the first floor extending my living room space and also in the front of the house I would like to do a cover for porch.
Mr. Chavis I believe you have in your possession reports from Mr. Quo our engineer. >> Yes sir. >> And yes sir. I'm going to refer to my report uh at the bottom of the first page. I
have two planning comments. Number one, uh the reason why you're doing this. Can you tell can you walk us through that? >> Sure. Uh when we first walked out in 2017 and just me and my wife, uh now there's four of us in the household and
there's possibly going to be a fifth one. Uh we just want to be prepared. So my wife does work from home. So one of the guest rooms she uses sometimes as an office which extra home. So an extra bedroom uh for the future near future will be helpful.
I also have nieces and nephews that sleep over during the holidays. So you know putting their body somewhere. >> Thank you Sean. >> Thank you Sean. Could you please discuss uh what the new front and side facing
tardy uh siding so the luxury siding that on there but nothing drastic just keep the same color palette that's on the block now Uh for the front porch of approved like do like a nice veneer something pleasing to the
eye AS the detach garage. What's going to take the grass? So, you're going to have a grassy area surrounded by walkway block, something like that.
>> Yeah, that block I was intending to remove the kids in somewhere like they're getting to engage with soccer and all that. So, we need more grass back there. Okay. The proposed driveway, uh, since this is a new proposal,
federal code does require a 1T separation from the property line. Can you provide that one foot separation? Yes sir. It could be a grass strip or some other separation. >> Yes sir. >> So you're reduction.
Yes sir. >> Sir [laughter] the front porch is proposed to approach 5 ft into the front yard. Uh the purpose of the covered front porch is to improve the functionality and character of the home while
remaining consistent with the surrounding neighborhood. The covered porch provides weather protection at the front entrance, making the home safer and more usable during the rain and snow. Uh it would also uh encourage the use of the front door entrance uh rather than the rear, which will promote us
talking to our neighbors more and whatnot, and it would keep more eyes on the street. Uh for the front porch, I really want to keep it as close to grade as possible, so it wouldn't be an eyesore looking from the street curb. And um what's there now is protruding
and encroaching into the setback as well. All I'm asking for is just to widen it the width of the house. Uh it create a bigger blueprint for my kids when we run out there in the rain. They're not slipping and falling and whatnot. Push them to the side and let them not rain on our snow and whatnot.
uh and it it won't mess with any of the uh drainage away from the house or anything like that. >> You had mentioned the neighborhood. Are there other porches such as what you're proposing? >> There are there are a couple porches. I brought some pictures. I didn't uh provide them an application, but I have
some pictures of some of the houses on the block. And also I wanted to show you a house on South 18th Street. Basically really what I wanted to do. They have the same layout, a garage up top as well. If you'd like to show those, if the board wants to see those, we can.
How many photos do you have? >> I I brought 10. I didn't know how many are going to be here. I have 10. >> 10 of the same picture. 10 sets. Yeah. 10. Just mark the A1. And how many photos per per set approximately?
>> There's photos of a couple houses. And then uh for another question, I made a packet for each one uh of the parking issue. I took a couple pictures of that. Why don't you want to pass them both up? >> We do the first.
>> We'll do the porch is A1. Bring the parking on those. The parking will be A2. So, first we'll focus on the porch. Sorry about that. I also have uh smaller copies print outs you guys want. We'll just
share share for you this way. cover. >> Oh, that's the just so you guys don't have to. Does anybody want a reduced set of plans? >> Yeah. Yeah, I do. Okay. Yeah, that was great. Sorry, you're not hearing that on
the microphone. >> Thank you, Robert. reduce. >> What do you want? >> No. No, you don't get it. That's right. >> Do you ever see an attorney here? >> Oh, this
is okay. house. >> No, sorry. >> Oh, this is just another M Mr. Chavis. Well, everybody's getting organized. >> I know that this is your house 61. These
two pictures are front and side. And isn't this house right here right next door to you to the right? >> It is not. >> It is up. Where is this? There's Oh, this is what you are saying it's you want it to look like, >> right? Okay. The garage aspect of that house. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Got pictures. Mr. Chavez, if you could >> tell us about the pictures, who took them, when you took them, and then I tell us why they're important. >> I took them today after reading over your report. I wanted to give you guys as much info as possible. Uh just to see
where my mindset is. There's also a house that I couldn't get a picture on. It was burned out on Google, so I couldn't drive over there due to my job, but uh it's 22 South 18th Street. It's really basically describing what I want to do. Older house, but just wanted to
try and connect to Wi-Fi to show you. I think we're getting there. See if I can find it. >> 22 South 18th. >> Yes, sir. >> [clears throat] >> So right now in front of the board we have three different pictures in front
of us only right where there's no other pictures floating around right the front of the house the side of the house and the one on coolage correct >> correct >> anything else about the photographs Mr. Um
for for the examples of what I want to do, it's basically what I want. Okay. >> Question number six. What happens to the existing landscape for the house? Wherever I can see, I'll try to not
>> number seven. Can you talk about your neighborhood? Are there other homes that are going to encroach in that front yard they're aware of? And I do note for the record that I did see several covered entrance ways of
mayse back. I was unable to tell that, but it appears as though they do. There are some. My neighbor has a purch and it's covered as well. Mine wouldn't be as high.
Item number eight, one side of the new sideyard setup is proposed four units. The other is at 4.84 currently and will continue as it is. Kevin, you're on item number eight. >> Yes, sir. Item number eight.
>> Okay. Um the new setback to the south of the house is at 4 ft. Uh the existing and proposed setback is at 4.84 a portal is 5 ft on the right side of the door side of the house. So, Mr. Chavez,
there's a pool, there's a road, backyard, all that stuff back there. Just an observation, not a judgment anyway. That stuff's got You sound like you're talking to a police officer. [laughter]
>> Yeah. or don't drive on the Parkway. You got a lot of stuff back there. How are you going to maintain that stuff if you have to replace pull out? I mean 4 ft. You're not getting anything up that 4t stuff almost
five. You're not getting much up and down that 4.8 4. 4T size. It tells what you're going to do. Uh if that's what it comes down to. I have great relationships with both my neighbors. I'm doing the south end. Uh I'm sure
they would be okay with me fence panel to get that stuff out of there. >> So to talk about the future, if your neighbors move, you get other neighbors in there and they're not quite as cooperative and you're on your own. You
got to deal with it on your own property. What do you do? >> Uh for what's back there? Uh I would say the 4T would be sufficient enough for me to take it. Um I do have the other side on the other side that I can take it out
whatever is back there. Okay. [clears throat] On the left side, south side of the house, what are you proposing next to the addition to access the backyard? >> A wall if anything. >> A wall. Okay. And then in the front
where the latch uh is for security purposes >> and that also has to be set back for your existing AC units. >> Okay. So they're actually within the 5T step
back there. No new ones are proposed. Uh item number 11, five bedrooms requires three parking spaces. How do you accommodate three scient ones that are with you? >> Yes.
>> So, so this is also the park. >> Okay. Got it. >> So, tell us which picture you're looking at. >> Uh so, the one you have in front of you right there is a Dodge 2500, which is a pretty massive vehicle. To the right, that should be a 40 black. Mhm. And then
there um there's a picture on my email third which is a Nissan Rogue just in front of my Ford Explorer. And then I didn't have a fourth car to put in there, but you could uh probably fit a small compact sedan in front of my uh
this white vehicle, the white truck that you're talking about there, that's on the southernmost part of your driveway and that's your neighbor's car to the left of that. Correct. Now,
>> okay, I'll let you finish your testimony, okay? So the will those four vehicles fit on your property? Yes. >> Or will they extend to the right of way? And I not
uh you've got 20 ft that got to be 18 ft long. >> So you have a foot long. No, I don't. But those are my cars right there.
>> Okay. So, there's two different things then. Uh they're technical. There's a line of there's a property line that shows what you are. So, for that property line and towards the street there's there could be 8 10 11 ft
depending on how the 10 ft Mr. Quato up through the engine here and he knows between the curve and your line. So that 10 ft means that whatever you park there is technically on the property, but
you're saying you could fit your vehicles on that driveway on your side of the curve line, not necessarily your side of the property. Does the garage count as one of the spaces or no? >> Yes. So if I use the garage as one of
the space, the two would be 12. >> Okay. So we thread. Yes, sir. >> So one in a garage, two together, no tandem. >> Correct. Okay. >> Two side by side. But if he had two tandem, it's a single family. Oh,
>> that's their problem. >> Mhm. >> We don't worry about that. >> Right. Okay. >> I'm just getting a visual to see if it's proof. I I still think in that picture you can see that the bumpers are well within the house. You can still see the house. You
see the plans the setback for that garage is too deep. >> No, but I I get it. Oh, I get it. >> Okay. So, did you have a question? >> Did you want me to finish this report and hold your question or do you want to get
>> I just want a clarification on what you told me. >> Okay. Go ahead. So, um, we work by numbers and on your numbers on your plot plan, you have 14.85 ft from the southernly edge of the existing dwelling to the property line. You're going to
put an addition on it, whatever numbers work out to, you have 4T left over. So, you're saying that in 14.85 85 ft with no freeboard at all. You can get two cars wide and not be on that your
neighbors to the south struggle. The middle's tight, but I guess that's >> So if you look at the picture, Nick, that's why he's got one pulled in one the other way so the door. >> No, I see that. I just don't I don't I don't know. 14.85 ft is kind of tight.
14.85 85 winds up being like shorter 15 ft. You know, parking space is 9 by8. That's two cars by 9. And even if it's 8 ft wide, it's 16 ft, which more than 14.85 ft. Just saying. >> No, no, no, no, no. That's what we're
here. >> So, I've asked a number of factual questions. I'm going to turn to Mr. Cleo for factual questions. >> Does the board ask factual questions? And I want to come back to Mr. shave. Okay. We'll talk about groups that he
needs to put on the record and then we'll toss it back to the board. >> Okay. All right. Sheriff, sounds great to me. Okay. Um, so you're in receipt of my letter dated December 10. So um on the first page, comment one
just goes through um what you are proposing which uh you spoke to. Uh comment number two um goes into uh your the increase in the building coverage you addition uh which is based on
numbers on your plan. Um on to my second page. Um comment three uh refers to the um decrease in impervious because as you said um you will be removing the uh detached garage and adding open space
there and um that will decrease the amount of uh of impur site. So overall the amount of runoff from your site will be will be less. Yes sir. Um, comment four has to do with the front
side setbacks which you already uh discussed um uh with Mr. O'Brien's report and my last comment has to do with again the parking and um I will say I do kind of I do agree with Mr. 19 15
14 actually less than 15 ft is a little short for a tip for two parking uh spaces. A typical parking spaces 9 by 18 so 18 ft wide. Um, I know it shows you.
Um, yeah, it would [snorts] probably be even probably better if you had them hand them side by side cuz even even on this this picture, it looks like you're slightly over onto your neighbor's property. It's it's kind it might be a
little deceiving because I believe your um driveways uh kind of connect or at least stay in touch um along the property line. Um that is that is what I >> those are factual questions
or back to the board if you have any questions in those uh >> before the board um is going to take a question. Do have any questions. Are you wrapped up? >> Uh, I want to wrap up after questions. >> Okay. >> In a summary, I'll go over the summary
with them. >> Okay. Um, I'm sure we have a litany of questions. Um, who who can someone show me hands cuz it's hard to see. Who would like to have a question? >> Mr. Pantina. >> Yeah. Hi. >> Um, so
looking at Mr.'s 's last comment regarding the parking. I know we already spoke about it, but the new uh RSIS standards um requires I guess the maximum number of
spaces is going to be three, right? >> Yes. Right. Regardless whether you got four bedrooms or five. >> Uh no, the five requires three. Okay. So, just because it's on the plan and nobody's asking a question, I'll answer a question. So, if I look at the seller
for a plan, um, you have a bathroom down there, you have a closet, you have a window, and I think I'm not a planner. I'll prefer Mr. O'Brien. I think the only other thing that would define that
as a bedroom would be a open frame door, which you have, which can be the access door that comes in from the garage into the steps into the basement. So that being the case, um that that that doesn't up the does that up the
parking one and two um I just want to open up the the floor because uh we all know that you know rooms in a
basement welcome other qualifies as a bedroom contain it because it does not have two means of egress as we are reading this.
All right. Uh and some labels a bedroom. Um many of us have bathrooms in our basement. Uh some because we're all others because they're very convenient. Um so that in itself is not in the hand
but I don't see Mr. That is how many regress from that? It's one there's only one left. So therefore, it's not a can't be labeled a bedroom in accordance with the construction code. Um what they
do now there is between them and their mayor. I I only raised a question which comes up in other discussions that I have with other people that you know closet uh closet and window and access point is a bedroom. Uh the bathroom just
serves as luxury >> but that that bathroom is existing correct >> it is. Yeah. Okay. I think we can conclude it's not a good if he was proposing a bathroom down there, I would say that
that might >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So, to me, it's the Pantina's point. It is not ever going to be used as a bathroom because it doesn't have two means of egress. The bathroom as Mr. uh um O'Brien says
um that we uh all have two bathrooms or most of us have bathrooms in our basement. It is not going to be used as a bedroom, but I would also, if approved, put that down there into our into our resolution that it will not be used as a bedroom to not only to protect
the burrow, but to protect Mr. Chavez uh from think not thinking that in the future, wow, this is a great space and then god forbid something should happen, we're all protected should this get approved. >> Good. Okay, we can move on.
>> Board questions. >> Board questions. Anything else, Mr. Gone? >> On a recent application um with somebody doing a similar type of additions, we had a lot of talk about increasing the width of an existing
driveway so that um cars did fit better and we had similar because the amount of bedrooms that were in that facility as well. Um I don't think we did worse, but we could maybe recommend. You might want to think
about widening the driveway. There is a telephone right next to the driveway. >> There is a couple feet there though. >> You can request it. Not that they act in a timely manner, but they they usually
make accommodations for homeowners. But again, keep pushing the rock up, you know. Um, but I I would almost recommend that we widen the driveway. I don't think he's Kevin uh Christopher uh I
don't think he's that close to, you know, dealing with an impervious cover at all. Again, he's right now going in the negative direction. Um, so if you wind it a little when your kid gets in and he smashes your truck, he doesn't smash your truck
as much. Um, but uh the only other thing is this is maybe more of a generality for that street. This street typically has when we have flash rain, you're probably right in the nice flooding area, right?
Just Okay. Um, would it be a big truck? >> Would it be appropriate to talk about any type of uh water management or >> Well, because he's reducing the amount
of impervious. I'm not recommending him put a seage bid uh on his property. I mean, he's reducing >> if if I may, Mr. um if he is reducing the amount of
imperous coverage in the rear but equals that impervious coverage where if he was to widen the driveway and that equals out then it's a non-issue. >> Yeah. >> If it gets greater than then then it becomes an issue. So should you get in
other words you know what I'm talking about right? If you move it over 3 ft and you go 20 ft back, you got 60 square ft, it's nowhere near what you have in the back. So, it's kind of a nonissue. >> Yeah, it should still be a nonissue. Removing a complete garage, but I mean,
assuming the garage is say 10 by 20. >> Yeah. Be a lot less. >> Yeah. So, you should still be good. Um, and if I could finish your thought on the parking. So, up until this moment, um, Christian and I have looked and it
would appear that a parking variance would be required if everything stayed as it was because uh, he would require two 9 by18 spaces for cars and he's only got 14.85
across one garage. But if you were to widen that driveway by saying 4T or 3 and 1/2 ft by the what is this about
15 or so maybe if for the proposed walk the proposed walk you that I mean that would be much less impervious it's being removed. It would make a performing parking space. Um, but we really want to be
careful about the utility vault if we want to be mixed. >> Well, that was my question. Do we have to be away from utility? Is there anything I'm sure you can't Well, >> there utility poles in driveways and there
>> we don't want to do that. No, >> we want to give a separation. Okay. He has on his drawing he has 19.7 from the face of the uh proposed porch to his property line. So that would give you your 9 by18. >> Yeah. >> Um
personally from an architectural standpoint I would tell you a little bit deeper. >> So so with that in mind I kind of feel like we're putting the car before the horse. We're trying to figure out what you can do with your cars before we're
trying to figure out [clears throat] if the setbacks uh have a good taste in the board's mouth without Let me digress. It's not our job to say no or yes here. It's our job to take a look at the ordinance and see how we could adjust it
to make it work for you to get what you need and what you want. But at the same time, we're we're not out of balance of what's going on on your street to your neighbors, to the community, and all that kind of stuff. So, I think before we start redesigning the driveway, let's
start talking a little bit more about your setbacks, your garage, what you're removing, what it's going to look like, um what happens to the rest of the houses in the neighborhood. Um for instance, um I go up and down that block quite often. My friend used to live up
on uh on the corner, George and Barbara Mesco. Um and if you look at the continuity of the homes that are there on your side of the block, they're somewhat in line, right? They're not budding out on the opposite side when you come down from the bank. It's a
little bit different because there's some newer things going on in that side until you to get to that one house that I'm sure didn't go to the permit department, but the house has a breezeway that connects the garage with a driveway in a horseshoe drive. And I
know that doesn't fall into the criteria for sure. So, uh, what we don't want to do as the board, as the burrow, or whatever we are at this point is to make matters worse. We want to make them better. So if we take a look at your
plan and we figure out how we can make it work as a team rather than rather than uh a denial or an approval, but let's say rather than a denial, maybe kind of going back
to the drawing board a little bit and taking a look at what may be able to be looked at as a compromise. Mr. the maldi >> to that point and you're right. I I jumped to the thing in the front of the building. His garage right now is 3 and 1/2 ft off the property line. It's
there. It's not ideal. Um he's bettering that nonconforming by moving it over. But for us to call a garage, it has to be wide enough. Exactly. Um, so it's going from a
non-conforming three and a half to a non-conforming four. So he is trying to better it. Um, the garage I may point out factually a detached garage has a 3ft.
>> So that is conforming. >> So the detached garage presently is conforming. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. >> Well, so that's okay. A principal structure has to have a fight for setback and that's the variances as well. But the perception
there's a building that's only 3 and 1/2 ft away from the property line. Now there's going to be a building that's four feet of property and um from Christian's uh calculation we are going down in in
we're going up in floor space but we are going down in impervious and I think even if you did the balancing act with widening the driveway it might still be there. So the look of the property, yes, it's moving forward, but it's functional.
The detach garage was what we did 50, 60 years ago. That is what we do today on these. So if I'm hearing you correctly, everybody correctly, you have a detached garage that is conforming because it meets the 3-FFT criteria setbacks. But
to his plan, he now wants to put an attached garage to his house, which does not conform because it doesn't meet the 5ft setback on the sideyard setback to the south, which would really need 5 foot, which would make this a lot easier
than what it is now. >> Plus, it's not just a garage. You've got residential above it. So, the whole residential use >> above that is within the 5 ft section. So that footprint carries all the way up. It would have to come back. And then
we also have the encroachment to the front of the house. And that's what we should be talking about to figure that out. Again, I think the front encroachment is a a beautifification and a betterment to the neighborhood and to the house. I'd like to see them on the rest of the
street. >> The problem is the ordinance. I can I know this is not regarding the setback, but I'm just really confused about how you're not going to address the HVAC. I mean, how are you going to heat and cool the the addition the rooms? I just can't
wrap my head around that. Like, >> uh, it would just be the bedroom and then your bathroom, >> right? But you have to change the heating and air conditioning unit to accommodate the space. Uh, from what I I'm not right now, but they said the
three ton upstairs was sufficient for that. >> Is that what you currently have? >> I'm sorry. >> You currently have a three ton. You're just going to >> I do. It was upgraded from the 2.5. >> So, it's as as the house sits now, you have two zones. >> I have two zones. A 2.5 >> and they're both on the side of the
house existing. >> I'm sorry. >> They're both existing on the side of the house. >> Both existing on the side of the house. >> So, you have a 2.5 downstairs and a three >> and a three upstairs. >> Upstairs. Yes. So, so it'll accommodate. >> Okay. >> So, placement that's there. We don't
have to move that at this point. It's it's already in its position. >> Part of this application. >> Anyone else? I'm just curious how how like I just don't see how the impervious goes down by that much where it's almost like would you how it's done
>> because we had the existing uh garage where it was and you had the impervious driveway that went all the way up into into >> the black top of the driveway was the black top of the driveway getting covered by the addition. So that's still storm water
>> but the old garage is coming down. >> The old garage is coming down. That's a 200 ft rate. >> No reduction. >> I mean reduction is gone, but the impervious >> you're just going from driveway to all that.
>> So the math works. >> Yeah. The math if the math works. It works. >> Um, >> are you redesigning any of the patio in the back? >> It's all coming out. I was just all those papers are coming out. Coming out.
>> Okay. I was going to ask that because did you um >> because it doesn't look like the pergola or the pool are conforming. >> Um well definitely they're definitely not. >> What's that? >> They are being moved.
>> You're I I'm maybe I'm not up to speed. You're removing the pool. >> Yeah, it's all coming out. >> That pool is coming out. >> Yeah. Okay. So that makes a lot of sense. >> Okay. All right. And it's all going to be >> So the pool and the pergola are coming out >> and the papers. >> And the papers >> and no pool going back. No pool going
back. Soccer. >> Exactly. >> Pave paper blocks or surface. That's going to be grass. Grass. And the pool is going to come out. That's going to be grass. >> Grass. >> So that increases even more
not and the pool. increases per >> they're considered impervious. >> No, I understand. >> They're built right onto the property line. Not supposed to be, >> but we don't know how they got there, >> right? >> You would not approve it today. >> That sheds a different light on a lot of
what we're looking at here today. Board members, what else you have? >> Okay, Kevin, board members have discussed some of this. Go on. >> Everybody's got their questions in. Okay. Um before you talk about the um elevation floor, please go ahead. So
just to um you're redoing siding and doing going with upgrading the Hardy. Yes. Is that what he watch? Yes. Right. Not >> okay. All right. Um so okay. So I guess that would be important to know, you know, as far as
what we're seeing on these plans. The um it's going to be a clapboard. See, you're you're hoping for Hardy, could be um could be vinyl and but the whole everything's getting refreshed, right?
>> Okay. If you go all the way around the house, will >> I'm sorry, uh Frank. >> Yeah. In line with what we're seeing on these plans. All right. You have anything else? >> Any other questions for the board?
May I go through the summary um with the applicant? >> Well, I have one more question before you go through this. >> All yours. In order to keep consistent with the uh ordinance
with a little bit of give and take, would you consider reducing that structure by a foot, that garage structure by a foot to meet that sideyard setback of 5 ft? And what does that do to your plan and
your structure and your car and everything else? >> So I didn't look Mr. Galdi, did you look into that at all? >> Well, you you have right now from this property line to the existing building is 14.85.
You take 4 ft for the wall, it's 10. You take some structure, your the overall from inside, you're looking closer to nine. So, you're going to have a garage door basically bought
up to the existing. It's it's a bit of pressure. Yeah. >> You won't be able to use a garage. More than likely, you won't be able to use a garage parking space. You really need a parking bar. >> It's It's just right at the minimum
right now. >> Okay. I had to ask a question, right? I guess. Anybody else? Okay, we we see that that that it's not because you're not willing to do it. It can't get done structurally
because you can't gain access to the garage. That's that's how we'll address that. Okay. >> So, please the board um perhaps the applicant would care to discuss the uh
the the master plan and required proofs. Please work. Mhm. So, Mr. Chavis, the uh Pearl Master Plan, which guides all of our actions, excuse me, has a couple of goals in it
talking about residential development. Uh there at the top of page three of my report, ensure the new residential development is consistent with and compatible to existing neighborhood character and encourage the
preservation and maintenance of all residential properties. Can you discuss how you think your applications I'm sorry sir they are top of page three of my report
there are two passages from the master plan >> yes >> okay you see those >> yes so can you discuss uh how you think those passages are compatible or consistent with
uh those passages from the measurement your application just looking at five very top page three. Ensure the new residential development is consistent with and existing character
and maintenance of old res. I would just say with these proposed uh things I think itself like it um I I didn't catch his name
started to be very pleasing. I think uh I see a lot of houses coming up for all these types of uh renovations and whatnot. So I think really nice again I just went back and red
neutral palette and I'm going to drop down to item five a alpha number two um I think as a planner that you would be saying that there's not a hardship based upon the size and shape
could formulate by itself, but this could be granted uh if you're advocating because the benefits of granting these variances outweigh any detriments.
Can you identify any detriments to this application to the neighborhood or to the bureau? No, again I I for the stairs are existing already uh for that uh sideyard. Um I I feel like it's required
above it and the garage. Um I'm not sure what the minimum square footage of garage is, but I I want to make sure it's there. It's got to fit a 9 by Okay. Do you see any negative impact to your neighbors or the bureau as a
whole? I didn't give this application regation in any way or you rest and then we toss it back to the board. Mr. Chairman, all yours. Thanks.
So, um before we go too far into more discussions, I think it would be prudent uh to open the uh meeting to the public and then come back to us so we could do that. We get that out of the way. So, would someone make a motion here?
>> I'll make a motion. >> Motion made by Mayor Carish, second by Mr. Mazio uh to open the meeting to the public. All in favor? >> Anyone from the public wishing to speak about this matter? Look at them all. I get a couple run. [laughter] >> Seeing none,
>> motion to close. >> Mayor College, close the uh meetings uh to the public. Seconded by Mr. Mazio. All in favor? All right. We do that as a formality because there could be people here that would be against or for um uh your application. Okay. So, now it's
before the board. We heard your testimony. We heard the the engineer and the and the planner. Now, it's the board's job to figure out if um we think this application could be tweaked if uh we think that this is going to be
approved or denied. So, at this point, I'm going to need a little bit of help from the board on your thought processes, Mr. So, I just have one question. So, you're going to come out 5 ft for the new porch, right? Basically on the existing house, correct? So, the
walkway. So, we're going to be so tight that the car is up to the garage if you're trying to park. And there's going to be a walkway in front of the porch to get in. I didn't say it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. I missed that. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, I'm
disturbing. >> Yeah. I got it. Hey, >> I mean is it can it's probably be widened a couple feet. >> Can we make that? >> I think we're allowed to make that a condition. >> Absolutely.
>> The board is allowed to impose reasonable conditions on approval. >> So if we have 14.85 and we have to take the one foot clear spot on the side of the property line, it brings us to 13.85.
And if you're needing 18, so we need about around 4T. How? Didn't you tell me that there was 19 ft there? >> No, I was going side to side. 19 from front to back. >> Oh, okay. I misunderstood. Thank you.
>> You can't scale that off the plan right now. >> No. >> Well, they don't show the they don't show the hole. Oh, that's that's the issue. >> You look at the picture. >> However, I think he's got it. >> I think he does. >> I think I think he's got it. But I think you can also maybe
>> because how close the utility is to the curb, you can keep the driveway with and have play out on the side and come around. So, we have another concern, right?
I'll just wait. >> Gentlemen, we have another concern, right? Let's just say we do make it as a condition uh if we were to approve the application to increase the width of the black top. Let's say we'll use a number 4T, right?
>> Make it so it's works because even if you don't make the full apron because of the telephone pole, >> you can still sneak behind >> which where I was going with that, Mr. Raldi. Let's just use it as sport fee for now and we could widen it as it goes up
towards the walkway or the front porch. But then that impacts another thing. Does the porch get shortened so you can have the walkway because right now that's what I was getting at much very very clever with
the picture is that one car is facing this way, one car is facing towards me. Now, he really doesn't have to do that if he pulls all the way to the right and the person can get out of the car in between the two cars going this way. Correct, Mr. Chavez? But people getting
out of that car on top of the grass where there have to be introduced a walkway on that side getting to the front porch. Correct. >> You follow me? >> Yes, Mr. Pantina. >> So, >> yes, I did make a very good point, right? discussing with discussing
district um >> yes you don't have discuss >> okay so short short of moving the poll okay one PSCG and Verizon and their uh Mercy will
move the pole and eliminate it yeah right okay so >> you got to wait a month of Tuesday the curb opening the same and you move over uh the driveway you take the curb out you wipe the driveway whatever whatever it takes. Okay. So, Mr. O'Brien was
saying you need a little parking bar two spaces 18 for two 9 by 18 spaces, but you can make this 18 ft and it'll stop at the front of the porch. You don't have to reduce the size of the porch because if you open up this
package, which I just realized that it's in our package, um you got 19.77 ft from the front corner porch to the property line. And even if it's skewed and it goes over 20 ft, you'll have 18 ft from the front of the porch.
>> Okay. So, the person in the passenger seat, >> should there be a walkway to the right of that to get to that? >> Well, there's still a walkway in front of it. There there's a walkway being from where the curb is now and going
north for x amount of feet. Probably it's 30 ft. probably uh 17 ft maybe to walk away. I mean, I'm not going to explain. What I'm just saying is that you have this in your package. I But I don't have a
>> No, I don't have any [laughter] for you. >> But I mean, like, we don't know. We don't know how much he's going to have to widen. But if you don't if if the board the board's in a position to decide on a bearings for two 9 by8
spots. Okay. He doesn't have 9 + 9. He doesn't have 18 ft wide. He has 14.85 at the house. But it be 14.85. He's got to go three more feet or four more feet.
Move four feet into the grass. add four more feet of impervious probably a wash with the back coming out. >> Can I interrupt you for a second? >> Sure. >> I now have the survey in front of me. Right. The existing paved driveway is 14.85. >> Correct.
>> And to the right of that I see a proposed walkway that is touching the 14.85. Correct. >> So shorten the walkway. Shorten the length of the walkway by max amount of feet. Mhm. >> Don't shorten the porch.
Because from the front of the porch to the rightway line >> is 19 >> is 19.77 ft from the north north north north north north north north north north north north north north north north north north north north north property corner right you see that >> right >> you only need 9 by 18 so even if you overhang into the rightway which
realistically nobody's going to care >> no that works that way >> but you know what I mean >> no that works >> I'm sorry grass It's easy when the kids graduate high school.
[laughter] >> Sometimes it works. >> So with the conversation that we just had, Mr. Chavez does not need a parking variance. >> We make this >> a condition that would be a resolution.
Wide in the drive. widen the drive of the widening. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Mr. >> I just wanted Mr. Chavez to to know that um there are several builders, engineers, and architects on the board
in addition to our consultants. So, what you're hearing is not flipping a coin. These know what they're doing. I'm smart. >> [laughter] >> So, the first thing uh that we talked to you about today when you came in, Mr.
Chavez, was that the board is here to try to help you and walk you through these things, not to deny anyone except when it just doesn't work. However, we don't still don't know whether we're approving or denying this, but we're trying to shake out the leaves as they
say. So, right now, we worked out the driveway situation. We have to talk about is the board comfortable with the uh setback on the south side of the property being less than five and it's what four foot.
>> Yes. Yeah. So, I mean, I think if you if you look at the existing house and what we're proposing and especially with the um the pickup in um uh in or the reduction in impervious
and um the fact that along the lines of what Mr. Grimmaldi was saying before, there there was still a garage there. We're bringing it up, but it it expands that expands that elevation and by the addition of the front porch, I think it's an overall win. And I think that the the one foot setback variance on the
sideyard is a is a decent trade-off for that, especially if we're if we're if we've taken care of the drive the parking issue. The other plus is that where he's putting this, the neighbor's driveway to the south is a driveway. It's not the 5ft setback, so you don't
feel like you're crammed. It has that feel of a wide open space. >> Any other questions? >> Okay. I just want to make sure for purposes of a resolution if this is approved >> the the language for the driveway we're
going to widen it by not to exceed 4 ft is at least at least 4 feet to make the >> 4T we just say 18 for a wide driveway >> 18 for a wide driveway and we don't care if the cur the curve remains the same
and I'm assuming it's going to taper in or >> a minimum of 3.15 ft 4.12 >> 18t wide driveway a minimum of 4.15 increase >> right
>> okay >> but that's also if Mr. Chavez agrees to that. >> Yes. >> Well, well, it's that versus I just want to highlight that. >> It's pretty simple. We'll explain it to you. >> So, Mr. O'Brien,
>> is it from the curb to the house or not or whatever he wants to do as long as it meets the >> So, we don't know if it's from the curb to the house at this point because we know we need it 18 ft wide because we don't know where the pole sits. But with the pole doesn't matter the picture anyway.
>> You're going to you're not going to change the curve opening of the driveway. >> Well, if you can you can change the thing, but but you're not going to achieve the 4 ft. You should make sure that the pole is within the 4T.
>> We can we say that to his people. Can we say that? Yeah, >> we would like the curve opened up as much as we can fe feasibly can to accommodate the 18, but the 18 wide should be from the 1 ft set back to the
neighbor 18 ft over. >> So, so, so what you would say is you would say that the driveway has to be wide enough to accommodate 18 ft plus 1 ft offset, which is 19 ft total on the southern property. >> I like that. >> So, aesthetically, how's it going to look? We're going to widen that
driveway. There's going to be a pole there and the porch is coming out, right? You're going to be five more feet in the front. In front, right? Yeah. That going to How's it going to look? It's going to look good. Aesthetically, is that going to look good? I mean, it's not going to look bad.
I know it falls ap trying to say like, are you going to be happy with that? I would love to keep that block there because when you look at it from the street, it continues with the house lines. Um, Yeah. So the left side.
>> So if you can keep it at the curb and then open it this way. >> Four more feet. >> I would like I would like I would like to just create order because there's four conversations going on at one time.
So, um, gentlemen and everyone here, we have to have one conversation at a time. You're I and and it's very important because we can't get this for her to listen to. So, Mayor, you were saying something first. >> I was I was saying that I think that if
he can, he should widen the driveway um along the street line. >> I think what we have established that we would we will put in as a condition if it can be done. He can widen the curb to the north as much as he can. That's
allowable. Maintaining 18 ft from that 1 ft set back towards the neighbor from the neighborhood north and south. We'll iron that out for you. Mr. Gormaldi, you were having a conversation here. Would you like to share? >> He was he was he had brought up that he was trying to maintain you're trying to
maintain this building block. >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. that that's just by by the evidence that the professionals brought up that we have to have the one foot inside our setback and then the driveway that building block is either that or
you have to ask this area or I just got you can put go in here with on the new >> now we heard you guys we need to Mr. Donnie was, >> you know, but your question really wasn't answered yet. And you asked, "How
is that going to look?" And we just said, "Well, it will look great. It'll look okay." But if he takes that Belgian block and he makes that curl to come up as a defining or a deliation between the grass and the black top and he gets
creative with that concrete walkway, I think as somebody's thinking that my driveway goes up right to my porch just like this, it doesn't it looks good. Uh who was next? Nick question. I feel like I'm
the motion. >> All right, Mr. Chris. >> No, I was >> Are you yielding to Nick? >> Don't point that thing. It has a nail on it. >> Mr. Chas Chavez had asked, "What is the meaning of a variance? What does it mean?" So,
I'm confirming that to you. Okay. >> I know that you >> I didn't hear that. Okay. >> Because everyone was talking, Mr. >> Kn is why you need white. Can I make something up? >> It gets me out of 4830.
Roger that. >> A variance means that a variance is required when you're proposing something that does not meet the application. >> In this case, your setbacks don't meet the variances got to be approved for
that for the application to go forward. So guys, >> it's funny. You asked about the parking bearings and [clears throat] before we started talking about this and I said, "Mr. O'Brien, tell you what if you needed the parking bearings and why it would be such a big deal to get one."
That's what I'm saying. >> If the board poses a reasonable condition of requiring a widening the driveway, any parking variance would not be needed, which is a win. But if you need a parking variance, you'd have to
take a photo. That would be >> So that's parking variances 101 variances up for your approval for denial as you wish. >> And with that being said, I will we're
going to move on and we're going to tell I'm going to explain one more thing to you. any conditions or anything that this board um complies with or you need to comply with, you will not be able to get your CL unless all them conditions
are met. So, you can't just go ahead. That's part of our package that that you will need to have that portion of the driveway if you agree that you want to do that as part of this application. You must have it done before your CI. We've
done this before. other similar type [clears throat] applications. >> Okay, with that being said, we have uh in front of us one condition on the table right now and that is to widen the driveway to 18 ft
>> plus 1T plus one >> plus that 1 ft on the other side. >> Right. And we also have as much of the curb that you could take out as possible. And um >> basement not to be used
>> and the basement not to be used as a bedroom unless you come back before the board to do something like that. And um you also made a statement that there'll be no new pool or anything in the yard. You're removing all of that. That's part of the
plan. Okay. Is there a motion to approve this application? >> Or may wish a couple of other questions. >> Board may wish to consider a couple of other items. >> Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't know there was more. I'm glad that I'm not here. >> If you wish. >> Yeah. No, please. Uh please do.
>> The applicant uh will attempt will contact public service and ask them to move forward to make life easy and he will provide the board with their response. Is that a condition? Because then maybe they say they'll move
it in six years. >> I don't want them to hold up. All right. How about the condition is that the applicant contact public service and provide us with some evidence that he contacted me either an email or a note
or something like that. >> Can I ask a question then before we go through this? That poll there is that your poll service coming into your house. So that means they would have to move that pole left, right, or whatever or whatever they deem necessary and then they would have to run that service back
to his house. >> They move it to the one buffer, not just >> Well, that's crossing. >> I don't think that needs to be >> I only mention it because the board expressed concern. >> If the board wishes the applicant to try
to move it, you can ask them to or we can just leave it. I think the chairman is going to ask the board members to leave it alone >> because you're never going to get done. >> You're never going to get Well, you can ask, but that's not
>> Ask if you wish, but we're not going to make it a condition. There's a transformer on that poll. There's a lot going on. >> There's a lot. >> There's the poll. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Chairman, there was one other thing mentioned whether you wish to make it a condition or not. >> Mr. Chavez did mention that he was going
to resign the entire house. If you want to make that a condition as opposed to just doing the side of the front, the entire house, that's up to you. >> Well, yeah, that was in his testimony. So, it should is it is not on the plan that he is sighting the whole house. No one saw
>> I was going to I was going to make that condition not >> substantially consistent. That's very common. Your addition and the rest of the remaining house should be consistent in terms of Mr. Chie. You're going to resign the whole house. You're going to take it down to it. Put it in as a condition and he will have it. New
signing throughout. >> It says new signing throughout. >> It's not a condition. >> Not a condition. Take it out. Highway. >> Anyone else have no time renting making this late or anything like that? Okay.
Thank you. He's smoking out kids two and three. [laughter] >> Okay. [laughter] So, you heard the conditions. You're comfortable. Is there a motion? Someone want to make a motion? >> Motion made by Mayor Carovich, second by Mr. Grimmaldi. Roll call, please.
>> Mayor Civage. >> Yes. >> Mr. Bernao. >> Yes. >> Mr. Clanty. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mr. Pantina. Yes. Mr. Mazio. Yes. >> Mr. Dowy. Yes. >> Mr. Chloe. Yes. >> And Mr. >> Congratulations. Congratulations. >> And you're going to provide
Did you say Mr. Mayor Mr. >> Yeah. Okay. If I may, um, I just want to say on behalf of myself and the board, thank you for staying in Kennorth [music] and making this your home. Um, we're very proud of our the small little
town that we call home and uh we wish you a lot of luck with your your addition and your family and everything that you're doing over there and I'm sure it's going to be beautiful. >> And the new baby. >> You're welcome. Have a good Merry Christmas. >> Merry Christmas.
>> Merry Christmas. Good luck. >> Any uh comments for the boys? One question. Um, do you have all these variances? We're working on a master plan. you seem to be like always giving in on these variances and I know it's it's a personal property and all of
that stuff but you're okay two and three variances for variances on behalf you know >> that's why it's part of her job but this one I look at it as you reduced it that house it's like it's it's like a
toothpick stuck standing out there so he as a homeowner is stuck he you know Yeah, you can improve the backyard, but the only way to improve the backyard is by getting a garage of overall fun, you know,
>> I know it's just but it seems like they're lately. >> Well, I think is unique if I may and make the bird approve and you disagree with it. >> I Yeah, I will. I for sure. So, again, I
think you're spot on. Um, however, when it becomes the residential side and not the commercial and industrial side, I think there may be a little bit more leniency to try to make things, you know, >> more lenient for sure. It's more leniency. And I will tell you,
>> the front yard, >> I will tell you that prior to coming here tonight, these were all the things why I was going to deny this application. And then listening to the board, listening to everybody pan it out, I swayed my decision based on the
professionalism in the board. Disney World I said I'm not huge. >> Yeah, the pool in the parking lot like Disney World and that's a good thought. Okay, no more comments. Okay, that was the comments for the Disney 4th of July. [laughter]
>> Okay, someone want to make a motion to open the meeting to the public? >> I'll make a motion. Okay. A motion made by Mayor College, second by Mr. Mazio. All in favor? >> Anyone from the public wishing to speak? Seeing no one. >> Motion. >> Motion made by Mayor College, second by
Mr. Mazio. All in favor? I. >> Okay. Before we adjourn, I do want to make a comment for the good of the board. Uh or a comment to everyone. I wish you all a merry Christmas, a happy new year, healthy, happy, lovely, prosperous, all of the above. And I
can't thank you enough for being your chairman, uh, for running these meetings. And right up until tonight, I've learned something else. Again, that this is no one man, one woman's job. Without all of you, it doesn't work. And
that's why I expressed exactly what you said tonight, Tony. Are we being a little lenient? Well, I came in here with a full denial before I before I left and you could see it. So, I I appreciate it. So, thank you and merry Christmas to all. >> Merry Christmas everyone. >> Merry Christmas. >> Happy New Year.
>> Good morning to >> Now, is there a motion to adjourn? Motion made by Mr. Ki. Second by Mr. Kalo. All in favor? >> Is there a motion to go to Lillia for cocktails and linguini? really massage it nicely with the
applicants. I've seen try to power these things through and the applic [music] Heat. Heat. [music]