Order the board of water commissioners the pink uh Tuesday September 23rd times 4 p.m. We've signed most of the minutes here so we have one member but we'll get started anyways. I'm going to postpone the approval of minutes until he gets here. We have an appointment uh core in Maine on meter systems. I'm chairing Bob
Lansson's vice chair. Are you vice chair now? No, he's vice chair. He's just blooding and our superintendent. If you guys want to introduce yourself and then let's have Jim Jim Hart outside sales corn
be the specialist for corn me >> and Josh Orway I manage all of our meter specialists throughout the northeast corn. >> What's our time allotted here just so I know >> as quickly as possible. Okay. So, I'll give you guys this now.
Um, but if you don't mind following along with me, that'd be great. But this will be something you can kind of refer back to later if you want to. Um, so Paul and Jim were kind of catching me up uh with, you know, where you guys are at. I know you're currently a Census
customer. You're using the Census products, which is what Corner Main represents. Um, and I think you've been doing that for quite a long time. There's roughly 4,000 meters in the system and there you're considering going to AMI technology or advanced
metering infrastructure. Um, so we're just going to talk about what that system is quickly. Um, and then we'll obviously we keep it casual. If you guys have questions as I go, please interrupt and feel free to uh answer I'll answer whatever we got. Um,
so just I'm assuming you guys are familiar with corn main. Uh, but maybe that's bad assumption. I know you are. Okay, good. So, we'll we'll kind of skip the company information, but I do want to give you guys kind of our our team, which is the picture of these guys here,
which is like second or third page. Paul and I already introduced ourselves, but just to give you an idea, Paul's specific role within the company is uh to be completely focused on meters and and the technology that goes along with meters. So, he is your source of
information and help and support um you know, for somebody to be on site to help you guys with any problems um that that you might ever have with your metering system or help that you need. And then Dave Plutum is another resource. He's Jimmy's boss. He's a sales manager uh
for New England. And then these are the two census reps that you'll also have access to. Don O'Neal, he lives in Scar Bro, Maine, so not too far. Uh and Jason Burkard, we actually live in the same neighborhood in Syracuse, New York. Um and just a real quick background on
myself, I actually was at Census for about 14 years before uh joining Core Main. Um so I have a pretty good background and knowledge of the product for you guys. Core main, we'll kind of skip over the company information, but as we breeze
through that, we are a multi-billion dollar organization, publicly traded. Uh we just point that out sometimes that you guys know we have resources to help you if you decide to uh continue moving forward with census product branches all throughout the country. Um the ability
to pull product. So if there's ever a shortage of product, we have all kinds of inventory throughout the US. The local corn main branch um is Norwood, Mass. That's uh that's the closest one, right? >> Yeah. We have a branch in Ton that's a
little closer, but Norwood's got a majority of our inventory. >> Yep. And then there's there's 16 total locations throughout New England. So, a lot of branches, a lot of local support. We actually have two other meter
specialists besides Paul as well. So if Paul can't help you for some reason, got a whole lot of team to to pull from, as well as we have some some resources on the national level. Um, you know, as far as meter specialists go. So lots of help and lots of support we can provide you
guys going forward. Okay. So the technology we wanted to talk to you guys about is is called Flex. Um, flex is basically where we put up an antenna or a couple of antennas um within the area so that we can read all of your meters and have them
automatically come into the office. So you don't have to roll a truck to get readings. Um, you know, you can get real time information like we leak detection, um, any kind of meters that stop prematurely, you would know that immediately through the system. So it
can help with unaccounted for water loss, things like that. Um so there's a lot of advantages to the system and then the census system alone uh which again is called flexnet has a lot of unique advantages when compared to any of our
competitors. Um the first and probably most important and I won't go through all these but uh the first is we have a primary use licensed frequency band. So when you're talking about radio frequency technology that's a big deal. There's all kinds of wireless devices
out there. You know, we were talking cars earlier, right? Just on a vehicle, there's there's probably a dozen different wireless sensors and devices that communicate and and compete for that frequency that exists in the environment. So, with Census, we have
our own primary use license frequency band. So, we are completely protected from any interference from outside radio devices. There's no other company in the industry that that has that. Um, we also have the highest power
output in the industry at two watts of power. So, with the two of those things combined, it allows us to get really, really good transmission distances, right? So, we've got a clear radio frequency and then we've got high power to transmit that frequency on. So, the
the Flexet system is very efficient. Um, we also have real time ondemand functionality. Um, so if your teams need to get a real time on demand read, they can literally click a button in the computer. Um, and the longest it takes is up to 90 seconds to get that
information back. So that's a, you know, if you have a real estate closing, something like that, you can get a real time on demand read. And we also have meters that, one meter that we didn't bring with us, but we have a meter that has a remote shut off valve inside the meter. Um so
basically you can se send a signal out from the office and either turn the water off or you can just slow down the flow. Um utilities use this for a variety of reasons. Sometimes I think
right >> everything's okay excited about that heard that that feature. >> That's right. >> Um so the true two-way communication capabilities is huge. >> Quick question. So you talk about
spectrum. So you using your own radio spectrum are you using cell spectrum or what kind of what's the like? It's our own proprietary well it's it's licensed through the FCC but it is a primary use license frequency band. So Census about
15 no I'm sorry more about 21 years ago I bought a paging company that had this frequency data >> and census knew it was going to be valuable for AMI technology in the future. They had a primary use license through the FCC. Census gained access to
that. Exactly. >> So you don't use cell towers. You have to do something different. >> Correct. We we typically use uh vertical assets that the water utility owns. So it could be water tanks. Um you might have a you might have your own lattice
tower somewhere throughout the system. But that's one thing we would want to do for you folks is something called a propagation study. Propagation study will take your potential vertical assets. We take all of your meter locations and then we do an RF
propagation study and that would tell us exactly how many antennas we would need to cover your entire system. >> Does um weather have any effect on any of that frequency stuff there with rain, snow? >> It does absolutely. So anytime you have
water involved with RF, it can affect that signal negatively. Um, but we take that into account during the propagation study. Um, so if you have meters in pits, then we're going to tell the RF engineers there's meters in pits. If you
want to put the meters in basement, then we can take that into account and study. Um, but you will see a little bit of a degradation in signal when you have, you know, 3 ft of snow on the ground or something like that. this picture of uh the Patriots stadium.
I hope I picked the right stadium. Sometimes folks up here are Giants fans. Um but this is just an analogy for what I was talking about the primary use license frequency band. This first one with a full stadium is like our competition.
If if Paul is sitting on, you know, 150 yard line and I'm sitting on the other during a packed game, there's no way we could communicate to each other back and forth. But if we have an empty stadium, which is what census is, because there's no other radio interference,
Paul and I can sit easily across the field from each other and we both got really loud voices, high power, right? You can talk to each other, no problem in an empty state. And that's what census has, which allows us to have minimal infrastructure to cover your
entire your entire system. I think that's where we differentiate ourselves from competition that in that we use less infrastructure to cover and that saves cost. Uh our competition has to use various devices to get that kind
of coverage guarantee and one census does that propagation study they own it. So in other words, say we transact and we say, "Okay, we only need two towers." We come out here and we install the two towers and put them up uh base stations.
I mean, we put them up and we say, "Wait a minute, we need more coverage." Census would pay for that third base station, not you. So we don't come back with a change and say, "Well, you know, we need another one." It's guaranteed. And that's why it takes us now that it might take us a month and a half to get that
back. They really put their time into it. They got a lot of them to do but they they focus on that guaranteed propagation study and that's the main player in this to get it right and others you'll have to you know add multiple uh infrastructure where we
don't uh have to. >> So any questions on the network side of things? >> What's the space that you need for the equipment? Let's say you put on the water tank. >> Yep. >> What kind of equipment space you need? power you need? That's a great question.
So, we could just use a typical um 120 volt power. Um and then the box itself is 22x 22 by 8 in deep. So, we can mount the box anywhere on a wall, on a pole. Um and then there's a coax cable that's
usually by inch in diameter that runs up to an antenna, which is a it's an omni antenna. It's just a a single pole hand and that can be at the top of a tank. It can be mounted to a handrail. Um, but we have lots of different options.
>> Do minimal minimum elevation needs to have or >> Nope. Um, whatever you guys have available, we're going to we're going to take that into account. But then if it's not high enough and we're like, "Hey, this, you know, if you've got a 20 foot hillside tent or something like that, we might suggest, you know what, we could
install a 55 foot pole and get a height of 75 ft out of that because we can put some extenders on top of that. Um, so it just depends on what you have available. Then we can make adjustments if necessary. You >> know, is the radio equipment is that a
web approved enclosure?" >> Yes, absolutely. Yep. We used to have units that had air conditioners in them, but we don't need that anymore with the new technology. So, it's pretty, you know, it's a pretty small box. I mean, I'm giving you hand
gestures here. That's pretty accurate. 22 in by 22. >> Um, the meters, which you see on the table in front of you, the one at the end there is the micrometer. That's a So that goes from 5/8 to one inch in
size. Yep. There you go. That's the the register display. That connector on top just would have a wire coming out of it. >> And the wire goes to that white box that you see there. That's the radio. Um but that water meter, do you guys do you
guys have any perfect soy is a great meter. It's got the the biggest feature I think on it is the warranty. Um it's it does have a 20-year warranty on the battery as well as a 20-year warranty on accuracy of the
meter. So the accuracy warranty is a full 20 years. The battery is a full 15 years and then the last five years are a prrated cost. So if it fails your 16, you pay a small percentage of the cost.
But if it fails in year 15, then you get a brand new meter. And unlike our competition, when you get that brand new meter as a replacement, you get a brand new warranty with that as well. So that's a big deal. Nobody else in the industry has a published
15year full and fiveyear prrated warranty on the battery. So that's a big deal. >> That came in about 2018, Chris. So, as you know, 10 and 10 prior to that because we do a lot of returns for you. >> Yes.
>> So, but the new ones uh 155 as well as the radio uh has the same the new new radios have the same warranty at 155 >> that Jim Jim took was 40 MX last [Music]
>> hours for us. So, we have what was the problem guys just having recently? We can talk about that after they point. We have problem. Um the other meter that's on the table here is that is the Cornell. So this is for commercial industrial size water
lines. It right now uh we're manufacturing up to 6 in. It'll go up to 12 inch eventually. So inch and a half to 6 in. Again a no moving parts meter. It also has pressure and temperature sensors built into the meter, so you can
take advantage of that and build a pressure profile on the entire distribution system. Um, it does have a 15 and five uh warranty just like the radio and the IPO meter. The sensors are a little bit of a different warranty.
That's a fiveyear uh warranty there on the sensors. So, if the sensors the pressure and temperature failed for any reason, the metrology still works. still reads the the water flowing through the meter. Um, so those are the two those are the two
meters we want to talk to you guys about today. Any questions on those? >> Spell. >> Yep. C O R D O N E L. >> But I'm going to give you again I have
product sheets for all these products. So you guys when we do the photo we'll give you have the products have the data sheets on those. >> Now those white boxes I want to touch on those. Those are the radios. So those are what read the meters. And then on this page you can see there's a there's
a black one that's for pit set units as well. The key with these boxes these white ones is that you guys have we just we did a count. I don't remember Bobby was in here. you took your uh all your a list of all your meters, you already
have about 850 of these radios that will work with the Flex Net system. So, out of your roughly 4,000 meters, you you've got almost a quarter of them already set up and ready to go. And there's nothing you have to
do to those. When if we put an antenna in, it'll send out a signal to those 850 radios, tell it, hey, now you got to communicate to me and now you're you're reading um you know, as an AMI system. >> Now, is that because the MXU or because the meter itself?
>> Because of the MXU. So, you have two types of MXUS in your system. You've got M. Those are the new ones. The M stands for migra. So, it could be read walk by, drive by, or via the antenna. And then you have Rs. The RS are old. They're
most of them are 15 years or or older. Um so those would have to be replaced. They can't communicate to the antenna. Um we do have a nice tradein program going on right now though. um not just for the RS but even some of the older meters that anything that has batteries
in them you can trade the old R radios in and get a a pretty good discount on those meters roughly what 16% discount I think is the number the uh and we sent a report to Stacy which takes those older
um radios and um tells you what year they are and how old they Stacy sent that report. So when we brought in one of our technicians in for a visit, um he sent that over. So that kind of information can always give you a start as you go as we try to migrate
over in the in radios. That's a good place to start. It tells you the age of the radio, how old it is, you know, the old it's not just a reading technology brought us to this point, but it's also
the existing meters. and the accuracy dependability of those meters why we're at this point now by uncountable water meters that have been there 25 30 years
a lot of failures more more frequent >> so it's a lot of those radios the MX that are out there they're coupled to an old brass meter bronze meter so we're still in the same of having to replace that meter. >> Y >> not necessarily the radio, but the meter
itself is really what we're going after. >> Yep. And we can get a list of those meters and tell you the age of those as well. Um I don't think Bobby did that last time. I think there's a report. >> Yeah, >> we've been using the eye pearls now for
three or four years. But before before that, they're all sensors that are just just dying. >> Yeah. >> What kind of information can users get from these things? Is there a portal for them to use or is it just for us?
>> So we we do have So you have both. You have a a part that you access as the utility and then there is the availability to get a customer portal. That's something that, you know, it's another piece of software that has to be paid for. Um, but that one can allow
customers to log in, view their consumption on their meters on an hourly basis. They can see what they've used every hour. They can set alerts and alarms. So, if the meter shows a leak in their house, maybe a leaky toilet or a dripping faucet, they would be able to
see that. They could do things um like set alerts when hey geez my bill is about to go over you know $120 for the month I want to know so I can be consciously trying to use less water so
it can help them conserve a little bit. Um and there's all kinds of other features that that another big alarm actually this happened to my family I gave it up is a a burst pipe alarm. So, if the water line breaks or maybe freezes, you know, maybe there's a
snowbird and the heat goes off in their house or something, pipe breaks, water's gushing into a basement or maybe the first floor of a house, this system can set off a burst pipe alarm so that they can know your house is like in the process of potentially getting flooded.
>> Is it is there a temperature reader on that too or just the burst pipe? So there is a there's a ambient temperature reader. >> Ambient temperature. >> Ambient temperature. Yes. So the other meter though that I mentioned. So this this meter the Cornell and then also
that ally meter which has the remote shut off valve in it that also has pressure and temperature sensors in that meter. So and that gives you the temperature of the actual water itself. You would know before you know
>> uh this was just a picture of that station you guys asked about the equipment for the antennas. So this is what that looks like there. So that's the box that gets mounted on the ground and then the coax cable goes up to an antenna for that equipment.
This last page is is just something to make you aware of, but you know me has a lot of partnerships with different companies, service companies. Um so we can offer software solutions, services. This last one is a installation company
that we work with called me Metering and they have a work order management software where they can they track everything. So if you guys decided that maybe you didn't have enough people to do a meter change out as fast as you wanted to, we will subcontract this this
company or another company um and utilize their software to help track all of the water meter change outs. They'll make all the appointments to get into people's homes. Uh they have a call center, they have an online scheduler. Um you know, they they track all the
inventory for all the product that comes in. Um and we would basically babysit them and make sure that uh they're doing the job properly to uh to get you guys changed out. So a lot of a lot of benefit there to having the ability to to get these changed. That's more money,
right? But if you don't have the manpower to get it done, then we certainly can bring in the right folks u that we've worked with in the past to help with that. >> It's a critical piece of a project that doesn't get talked about a lot. Installation. If you choose
installation, we really try to encourage you guys to consider uh the having that partnership with uh the distributor because if something goes wrong in the installation, then it's TI's fault. I couldn't program the
media when they're out in the field. When we work with a company Corine chooses them really carefully, they're a partner. That's a national partnership and we're one of the largest distributors in the country. they're going to want to have they follow the rules. We're accountable corine, but
when they separate the bids and you go, well, let's see if we can save some money and get a separate installer, it can be a nightmare uh because of if mistakes are made and it's not coordinated. So, we really encourage that partnership. Uh it's it happens more frequently that you think that uh
installation cults a project once it gets going because of it didn't communicate with customer the right way and so forth. the work order management system. You know, customers will know who's coming. They'll know where the guys are in the field at all times from the office. They'll know where the crew is, where they stand on installation,
what they did today, where they went. It's a it's a much better process. >> Radios are inside or outside. Is that the difference in the pit or pit? >> So, how do you guys do it now? You put them inside the home or >> Yeah, they're all in a crawl space. >> Okay. So, we would probably follow suit
with that, but we we always recommend actually putting the radio on the outside of the property if you can, >> just because the hardest part of any piece of the meter project is getting inside the home. So, if something goes
wrong, you can troubleshoot it from outside the house if the radio's out there. Um, and then that helps you figure out if you actually have to make an appointment to get inside. However, that means a wire has to go through a wall, right, to get to the outside of
the house, and a lot of people don't care for that. So, if you guys wanted them to be inside, we would take that into account in the propagation study. And that might just require a little bit more infrastructure because you're, you know, walls to get the RF signal out.
>> We had stuff outside and didn't hold up well, you know, the cold temperatures. people work on your house do sidewall and then it's gone and you're out the cost of that device because they threw it away because they didn't know what it was they didn't want on the front of the house or the side of the house. So
>> yeah, >> we put it inside and protected from the elements. It's going to get disrupted with house renovations or anything like that. So >> yep. Yeah, if that's like I said if that's your guys preference then we can certainly do prop that way.
>> Sure. to your question, that radio that you're looking at, that's for if the if the it's in a pit setting where you're putting the radio, that bottom one you're looking at. So, this would go on the outside or the inside of the house. That one you have your pen on you were
asking about. The difference is that's that's set in a pit and and we don't only that's the only place you would use that. Yeah, they're more popular in the southeast where people's water meters are in their front yard. >> Yeah. Sometimes >> and here in New England >> sometimes.
>> Yeah. Know where we run into in New England is uh really fancy homes with a long long driveway and it's way down and they'll have a pit in front of their house with see what the I don't I don't have one in my house. >> What I consider a long drive is the same
as those. The last page is just just a few of places we have in New England that are kind of using um Flex Net. We have literally probably 30 35 different flex net systems in in
New England, maybe even more actually. >> And Paul, I think, mentioned at the beginning of the meeting, you know, we're working with uh uh Portland Water District now to do they're doing 61,000 meters that they're going to be changing out and go into the flexet system.
um getting like samples, pilots, how do you guys handle those sort of ideas? >> Yeah. Um we can do it. The the base station is the piece that has to be installed. You guys actually already have some of the radios in installed.
So, we could depending on where they are. If they're spread out throughout the entire system, that might be a little tricky. if if they are in a particular area um then we can put up an antenna closest to that area and and then you could see how the system works
that way. We're also happy to take you uh to any other system in in New England. So you could see it work there. >> Sure. >> But right here in Massachusetts I mean locally uh Yarmouth has had they've had AMI. Another thing about census flexet
and their fixed network with network systems most our competitors has done within the last six or seven years to have that uh they census has been doing this since 2008. So we have some older systems uh Darmouth on the Cape is is
one of the first ones. Um we are in River uh Chelsea trying to think of the ones who are local to this area but we have some where you can go right in and see the system and our relationships are strong there where the guys from
that's where uh that's brand new that system but I like a little bit of that experience system in there that they've had time to really get to know it and >> they can tell you what they love and that they don't want. >> Josh, can you touch a little bit base of
XR infrastructure just a little bit about what happens when you go AMI training with how that works once it happens, how we support that. >> Oh yeah, absolutely. So, if you guys move forward with the system, there's there's going to be a software application called Census Analytics.
We're going to train you on on how to utilize that. That's where you'll be able to pull, you know, all of your reports. You'll be able to look at customers consumption. um you'll be able to answer customers questions and all the data that you need comes in through there. So we we train you on that. We'll train you how to do
the installation of you know the you guys already know how to do the the meters and the radios for the most part but we would just go through that with you one more time. Um we would train you on uh you know troubleshooting issues. Um so anytime something stops working um
we would show you how to identify it. So instead of guessing as to what might be wrong with it, with FlexNet, we have a lot more capability of identifying what the problem is and being able to to troubleshoot it a lot more efficiently and figure out what's wrong with it. Um,
anything else? Yeah, I think the the key what I think you guys have already learned is after the fact when Corine, we had a good team and of experts, but so the job's finished. We give you that upfront training, but we're not going anywhere as when we came in here, we
wanted to talk about what Stacy's going through dayto day with that those readings and we brought in one of our own people to work with her and that's included in your support. get support from uh the census product that we pay for it annually, but that includes us
and we don't charge when we come out. So, I may not be the guy solving the problem, but I am your point guy to say we're going to get it done and we're going to get it fixed and that's what we're really good at and we promise it and we deliver. You know, we go into these towns like yours to introduce
ourselves because we're new to this. We're not new to the census line. Like Corine is new in New England to census, but we are the sole distributor of this product in 20 27 out of the 50 states right now. So throughout the country in the Northeast, New York, New Jersey,
Pennsylvania team, when we took over the line, everyone said, "Oh, they're going to they're not going to be able to handle this." We got products. We got training mostly from our peers that came in and worked with us in the field. So we have a great team concept to support you guys and we promise it. You know,
it's not always perfect, but we get we do get it completed and we don't you don't have to wait two weeks to have somebody come out and see you when there's a problem. We'll be it'll be shortlived, you know, to get somebody out here to fix it or do it virtually over the phone sometime. We can pick up a telephone and go into your system and
and do it remotely. Whatever it takes, all you guys should care about is it gets done because things will happen inevitably no matter what. You know, things always come up. >> Um, I have a question. So the census analytics is the software that we use to
pull in these reads that come in and then from there does it do I treat it the same way I do a regular file like when Chris would go out with it dumps into auto read and >> y >> gets translated into is anything
different about that process or >> it's much easier but it's very similar um you just select the the routes that you want to create a billing uh read for a billing file for >> and then it creates it takes all the reads out of the system puts it into an
SFTP site. >> Okay. >> And your billing software can grab it automatically right from there. >> Okay. >> Who is your billing software? >> Yes. >> Yeah. We work on that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So that process >> you thinking of making
up to size six now? >> Yes. What's the availability of anything beyond? >> So the the eights and the tens will be next year in 2026. Um the twelves are going to be towards probably the
beginning of 2027. We do have other you guys are probably familiar with the Omni meters meters. Um those are available now too. They're not going away. It's just this is the latest and greatest meter.
So this is the ultrasonic technology that mostly go through. However, like the omni meter and I got in here a packet on the Omnisse too and they go up to 12 inches currently and that's the that's the workhorse of census that meter. Um but today with uh no moving
parts and the lowflow pickup where you're picking up every drop. That's where you guys get that cash. If you have some better, you don't have a lot of them in town but you do have some bigger customers. Those are the ones you want to get the most return from and that's where the ultrasonic can really
come into play. Not just because you don't have to maintain it, just the accuracy is the same from day one to year 20 guaranteed. So that's huge. >> Yeah. When the batteries failed and the whole thing needs to be replaced or is it just battery sw? >> So for 6 in and larger, you can swap out
basically that gray measuring chain that'll pull out. For the smaller ones, you have to replace the meter. Any questions? >> You know, obviously the bigger the meter, the more potential loss of it. So, we better start looking at, you
know, certain priorities on what we do and how we do it, where we get the funds. you know, looking at the lodge meters either for recalibration or replacement needs to be, you know, up front.
>> We're also we're also going to town meeting probably hopefully in the spring of 26 with a multi-million dollar new well. Okay, count all that water. >> It counts for all that water, but also
being able to justify the town meeting why we need x millions of dollars to do not only do well, but also upgrade and modernize the meter system so that we can account for the the loss water in time.
>> That's right. When utilities spend sometimes millions and millions of dollars to clean water, treat it and distribute it. Now you want to make sure you can recapture that investment and get that money back through the water.
When we met with Chris and Stacy here a couple months ago, we were talking about this and I think the the take is really you want to be we encourage you to be I think you want to be proactive, right? rather than reactive with your system. So there's a couple ways that the
funding doesn't flow, the town's not ready. The key then would be to build toward it. That would be your second option. The second option would be to grow those M radios, upgrade your drive by. There's some new technology there that we have available. That's another
maybe another meeting down the road. You have other options. It can't be shouldn't be well, we can't get the funding from the town. Therefore, well, what are we going to do? You should be replacing those M radios, those R radios, the older ones we sent. Stop
working on that with your budget. Even no matter what, get those going so when it does happen, you're ready to go. These meters you've already put in these radios. We would leave them in the newer I pearl meters and the new N radios when we do a fixed network that you have
right now. So, if you go forward now, next year, whatever, we'd leave those right where they're at. you don't need to get new ones. In the meantime, we've had other cities just like you in towns and I'm telling them, hey, let's and they're making that move going toward this is not uncommon. What we see in these smaller towns as we
visit all our customers is uh let's get those M radios in and that's something you can handle in the interim and it doesn't hurt you no matter what. It only helps you and rather than wait for them to die, they're going to 16, 17, 18 years old, they've had their day, get
the new ones in and uh and uh take advantage. So when you're ready to move, if the town's saying, "Hey, we got to wait." That would be another option for you to consider. That make sense? >> I see information on what would be for propagation study, what the cost is for
that, and other sort of possible pilot sort of things. I think that makes us what we're looking to do is possibly see what works best for our systems out there. There's a possibility of seeing some in in real time on ours. I know you talk about other
communities like that, but um yeah, we'd like to see some information. You guys have any other questions here or >> I think you question the one I had was about. So >> yeah, >> and that propagation study too, uh, when you do it, probably five, six hundred
bucks to do that. Once we do it, if you go AMI, that gets credited back. So, um, we can do that for you. Uh, get it running when you guys tell us. We'll get that takes a while to get it done. So, we need to get it back. So, good to have. Then you're using real information. You'll know what you got.
We know what we got and we're not guessing. And get it accurate. Any pricing you need down the road here? Chris, Stacy, just ask me for Jimmy for pricing and we'll get it right out to you so you know actual number for you.
>> Think we're all good then? All right. Appreciate you guys' time. >> Thanks for having us. We'll definitely reach out for the questions. >> These these package for you guys just for that info that we all the meters >> all the all the products that we talked
about and it's like >> I'll just leave this here. I didn't give you >> that's fine. >> Um and we can follow up with you guys too on the propagation study just to let you know more information you didn't know but
>> appreciate. Thank you. [Music] >> Thank you. >> Just one question. >> While you're still >> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. If we were going to an outside vendor as far as installation >> cost per meter without the cost per
meter, what's the installation cost for >> it's it's roughly about 160 to 170 bucks per meter. >> Okay. >> And that's if we're I'm assuming there's prevailing wage in Massachusetts. So >> definitely there is. >> Yeah. And
>> union shop obviously. >> Yeah. It it just depends on what that prevailing wage is. That's typically what we see in New York where we've got pretty good prevailing wages. >> All right. >> Thanks, guys. >> We'll go back and set the motion to
approve the minutes. >> Second. So voted to approve August 26th. Uh Kristen's sick today, so she's not with us on her behalf. I'm going to just go over her notes. >> Who took the motion to >> motion for the minutes?
>> Stacy's in Krist's not feeling well, so she's unable to attend the meeting today in person or on Zoom. So, she put together a quick little um update on some of the things that she's been following with the Main Street Water Man project.
Um, change order number four has been processed to pay police details from an invoice uh from April for flaggers. Um, wasn't previous. So, that was just a housekeeping matter that's been taken care of.
The details police details of utilized in August take care of the punch list items. Those uh expenses be covered by CC. they had to come back and do that.
She said that pay requisite requisition number eight has been reduced changed to 1% and the work remaining from the punch list is there is form in the area three summer street the travel lane and they need to establish the
seated areas along the roof. So that's the update with Main Street. Everything seems to be going well up in there. The repairs and backing the tons of stuff would be great. They did, you know, very satisfactory. So I'm happy
with it with the new well updates. Um Matt's EP request for site examination is ongoing. Clinfeld is in correspondence with mass reports. The response letter will be issued soon. get out on
last week. That was what the status was. And the geotech they went through the test pits and the borings last week and finish up with that. So, I'll be out next week. They're going to send a couple of reps out. We're going to walk the the site, see what's going on out there, see where the road layout's going
to be, where the uh test well that they just did. So, that'd be good to get some more progress with that. So that's what I have for yourself. Uh we conducted collected the lead copper
third quarter samples. Those are off the lab for analysis. We have very good turnaround in cooperation with the residents. This time I think it was one bottle that didn't come back 30. So that's a much much better rate than usual which is great.
The fall town meeting is coming up. The meeting the warrant closes I believe tonight was tomorrow. The only thing we wanted to have on that warrant was the housekeeping stuff with the articles that were worded
or misread or whatever the uh Engle town meeting and we cannot proceed with that until the town says until we have our retained earnings certified by the state. I don't know why we need to wait but that's what she says. So we're
really kind of dipping into our general operating budget to make end right now to get those housekeeping done the fall time that's explained in the springtime that we expected of that earning certification proceed with that.
So we'll we'll hang with that on a tight ship right now. Make things work to cover expenses. Uh the performance new truck is expected hopefully this month by the end of this month which would be great. So that's kind of getting moved into that be good.
>> So there's no no warning articles that we have for the fall time meeting. >> Well no just the new ones correct but that that'll be in the springtime meeting because we can't proceed with that. Yes.
And today is uh Keith Hickeyy's last day. He is all done after the sub meeting tonight as soon as temporary. >> Uh >> George, no. George, I can't remember his
last name. send me. >> Yeah, he's currently the interim temporary town administrator and um Haven would keep going. So, they're just kind of swapping seats. So, >> what's the search process be like here?
You know, start again. >> Yeah, kind of looking around trying to get together few select people from town that have a committee. They don't want to do a um >> search >> a search with an outside agency to save
money. >> Yeah, because you guys you're running this all you guys happy. >> I think they already have. Didn't they already figure out what the body was going to be? I think it pulling in the police chief,
the fire chief, >> couple select and think that it members >> somebody else I get too If I want to reach out to
the office >> who's in charge of it. >> I think the be anything else >> just No. No. Kristen just submitted.
yesterday the uh information that they were they requested. >> Okay. >> So they're in the process of health concern. I'm sorry Kristen's illness. Just got anything we should be. >> No.
>> Okay. That's fine. >> Cool. Well, nothing else and I move to second. Okay. All right. I'm so good.