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Part 1 (Video ID: 1sI1LhiYXS0):
- 00:00:04: Meeting Opening, ADU Assessment at 94 Summer St
- 00:06:51: Water Cremation Facility Proposal by Eric Carvin
- 00:19:07: Commitments: High Water Usage Investigation and Abatements
- 00:25:10: Wipes Clogging Sewer System: Investigation and Solutions
- 00:46:13: Staffing Updates and Generator Performance during Storm
- 00:52:37: Wastewater Treatment Capacity, Title V, and Future Planning
- 01:05:56: Financials, Budgeting Issues, and Marramma Letter Discussion
- 01:09:46: Update on the Drive Project, Board Meeting Adjournment


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Open up the March 17th civil commissioner meeting. Elaine Fiori I. Bill Watson I. Ryan Donna. >> Okay. Um we can start off. We have two appointments. So why don't we start off with 94 summer street. >> Okay.

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>> This is about um the additional >> Yeah. There's an ADU that uh supposed to do some work in the basement. I believe is it half finished at this point?

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>> Yeah, it's half finished and turning and one bedroom. >> Mhm. >> So, the plans came through the building department. Uh, currently it's a two family >> upstairs, >> six bedroom and then downstairs he wants

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to put a ADU in the downstairs apartment in the basement one bedroom. one bedroom. >> Okay. So, we it would have its own bathroom, kitchen. It would be like a whole separate unit. Yes. >> Okay. So, basically, it's going from a two family to a three family.

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>> Uh two family and you I don't know if that's the same. >> Yeah. Neither do I. >> But living. >> Yeah. Third living with a bedroom and a kitchen. Yeah, that's correct. >> Okay. And two bedrooms, you said one bedroom. Two bedroom. So we need to

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discuss how to assess that. >> So let's go back to the beginning. It's already been assessed. It has betterments on it. Are they paid off? >> Yeah, I have the pyramid and they paid off. >> Yeah. Okay. So it was it would benefit two u right?

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>> Well, how many how many bedrooms are in the existing house? >> Mine now six. >> It's a sixbedroom two family residential. So they would have been assessed for two years next day and they're all paid off. >> I don't know if they're all dead and it's paid off.

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>> Yeah. So then we're just adding a bedroom, >> right? But then it's a with I think we need to talk about ADU as a general because one bedroom is one bedroom. But if it's being defined as an ADU, that's a

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completely separate living area with bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, not adding one bedroom door. No bedroom. >> Yeah. Yeah. So wouldn't it be um

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I'm thinking out loud now based on our rules that would from a betterment point of view that's really what we're talking >> exactly >> it would be would it be one EIU or would this fit into as we just modified our rules to be an exception

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not exception but there's a a >> individual right because it's a Right. It's not a separate structure. It's not a separate building. It's >> Yeah. >> within the the house already. >> So, anybody that added an extra bedroom

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to a house, we just assessing one oneird, >> right? >> Yeah. >> What is that current? >> Yeah. >> So, and if we go by the >> 40 >> 40,000. >> Let's see who gets there first. This is this is why I can't if they do

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and we get different numbers and I throw this out the window. >> We have a calculator 13 333 >> $13,333 would be the fee for us to allow you to have one more bedroom as a better

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>> over 20 years. $13,000 just what >> that's insane. The only other question here. >> Wow. >> Going back to our rules. I'm I wish I I didn't bring up. >> This is a house that's in the existing sewer area,

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>> right? >> It's phase one main street. Yeah. >> And um >> is this phase one, phase two? This is phase two. >> 94 summer. >> Yeah. We go to 20 stay 24. >> 22. We went to 22 with 24. >> 24. 24.

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>> Oh, 24. Yes. 24. Really? >> We're doing we're doing small math. >> This This is the first time we've had this situation. >> Yeah. Straight out. Anybody new coming in? >> That's why we're talking >> building house three bedroom house. It's 40 It's $40,000.

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>> Wow. That's putting a septic system. So >> here you are bettering property by >> You're just adding one. >> Eight. >> Huh? >> Eight. >> 24,000 divided by eight. The buy free is over $8,000. >> $8,000. If I do just no bedrooms, just

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the um studio, what happen? >> So $8,000. >> That's over 20 years. >> And I understand what the >> over 20 years. So you're going to retire me yearly? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Is no interest on that? >> Um two to four. >> Two to 4% a year. >> Yeah. Oh, 20 years.

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>> Just so it's clear what a betterment means, what a betterment does to you. >> Mhm. It actually makes the value of your property >> much more valuable. >> Okay. It's not 8,000. It's going to be more than 8,000. That's that's what it is about.

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>> That's why I ask. I had no idea that. >> I know a lot of people don't understand that. >> And I want to make sure it's clear that it's not about >> it's not a giant fee for just the hell of getting money. It's it's we had to run a stream plan to pay off the debt. >> You made a new plan. But you're going to get the benefit of a betterment because when you go to sell it,

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>> you're going to be able to say it's on sewer completely approved and all that. >> Yeah. >> It would probably cost you a lot more to expand and accept. >> I definitely don't want to. >> So the 8,000 would be $400 a year plus

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interest. >> Okay. >> I was thinking >> unless you want to pay it off. Unless you want to pay it off. I can at any point. I can at any point. So I would say I would say do the 400 and I pay at any point. I would do it soon after I renovate and do dry and

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whatever I have to do. >> Okay. So you need I'll make a motion to assess the ADU at 94 Summer Street $8,000 betterment over 20 years plus interest. >> I'll second that.

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>> All in favor? Beautiful. >> Good to know. >> So, I can get the permits now because she was holding my permit because of this. >> So, I have it here. I'll sign off on it. Um, she need put a letter and we can add to it as a part of your apartment. >> Okay.

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>> That will be assessed at $8,000 over 28. >> Oh, that's fantastic. Thank you very much for everything. Thank you. >> Good luck. Appreciate. Thank you. >> That's been challenging. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> You got somebody ready to move in yet? >> Uh, me. didn't cut that in.

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>> Eric, you'd like to join us. >> Thank you. >> If you'd like to tell us, we know why you're here, but there's something. >> Yeah, absolutely. So, uh, looking to potentially open up a operation facility, a water cremation facility, uh, for pets in town. Um so this

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facility would be um both servicing the direct public as well as veterinary clients so direct to veterinarians as well. Um I did have a facility like this in Sandwich uh for the last 5 years. Um so on Cape obviously you probably know that they don't have much sewer. Um so I

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was actually tanking all this eth material. Um I had about a little over 4,000 gallon capacity. Um and so basically I tank it all. I'd have a big punk truck come and it would take it to um an anorobic digestion facility down that ended up being very cost

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prohibitive um and some other reasons. So end up closing that facility but we were looking to um do a round two if you will. Okay, >> but looking to get find a town that actually has a sewer um that we would be able to hook up to. Now I did send some information to everyone as far as some

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background um some testing some analytic data um on my waist stream and sandwich. So I do have some actual hard data. I do also have contacts with other um wastewater department. So certainly if you had a questions we could reach out to them and they could uh also you know

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address anything directly. >> Okay. >> But certainly I'm here to answer any questions and just kind of start the conversation. Um ultimately I think we would be trying to obtain a variance for the pH. Um and I understand that also the baud um cod potentially would be um

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I wouldn't say an issue but uh something that you would be um looking at the values potentially alarmed at. Um but that is just a testing artifact. So the cod and bod levels are actually lower um than what those values state. >> Okay.

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>> Dave's the superintendent. >> Yeah. This is the first time I've had to deal with anything like this. So, it's it's a little tough to u a little crazy lately with all my other interruptions going on. So, it's been a while since I looked at you or as far as pH. Can you

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remind me what the the TH was, you know, off hand as far as discharge? >> So, we can regulate it. Um, we use CO2 to kind of bring it down. Okay. Um, so what I was doing at my facility in San I was bringing it down to 10. And so that's that's what I'd like to get to.

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>> It's like a hydroxide, is it? >> So So the um the process is called alkaline hydraysis. Um so yep, you're you're adding an alkali. So either potassium hydroxide, right? >> Um and so during the actual process itself, all that chemical would be consumed. So when you're discharging,

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there is no um alkali present. So the the residual is just a higher pH and you adjust it with CO2 to bring it down. >> That is correct. Y >> we don't have any industrial connections. This is kind of a quasi industrial connection. That's where

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we'll be a little bit concerned. I think the way we we deal with it is monitoring at particularly when you first start looking at the data just uh as long as it's you know I think we're at eight is our permit.

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Yeah. So, six to eight, I think. >> Yeah. We we typically have uh somewhere in the range of six to seven coming into the plant. Uh I think it's more like 65 and we're typically adding

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to bring that up to closer to a seven. So, this may part help out, you know, with our pH. Uh yeah, >> as long as nothing's, you know, getting damaged and you know, you probably got more of a environmental sadness of

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>> it won't have a problem. We have all PVC pipes. There will be nothing to PVC. So that's a good thing. The the question is just uh how much flow you have a certain amount going down the cape, which is probably limited to a certain extent because you have to crank

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it out. It's expensive. If you have this, do you have some kind of volume in mind? The demand? >> Yeah. No, absolutely. So, at max capacity, so if we're basically running six days a week, um 24 hours a day, you'd be looking at around uh 250 gallons average um per day.

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>> Okay. >> And this is located where's it going to be located? >> We haven't found a location yet. We wanted to kind of start the discussion with you since it is such an unknown technology for a lot of people and just kind of you know start here.

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So, PH rules and regulations calls for minimum six and a half maxing at 8.5 >> 8.5. >> So, this kind of flow

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would this would this would neutralize >> the side >> once it gets diluted in there too. It's >> know it'll further dilute it. should probably pretty quickly once it gets to a station or to be be to us. >> I mean in typical waste water plants

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that have this sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide is commonly used just for that reason. So it's not like it's a weird chemical. >> I think the location, you know, the closer it is towards the well right on route three somewhere

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where you can go where more you know it's not like out the very end somewhere >> just just because the other the only other thing that I get concerned about is is gases that you know you get you get a gas production. It shouldn't happen. And it should be in

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your facility before whatever that gas production would be. I'm not talking about something flammable or explosive. Just >> no. >> Yeah. All that would be happening during the the process itself.

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>> Yeah. >> Otherwise, I mean, I don't see there's nothing we no other chemicals except the hydroxide. >> Yeah. >> Just CO2 and and hydroxy. I mean it sounds like it may may

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actually be a benefit. >> Yeah. >> With the with the 250 gallons per day. Now if that increases it could >> but if you ask anything that's >> So what you anticipate is max >> that's max with one tool. >> Um if we end up expanding capacity we would certainly come to you first um and

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talk about that potential certainly before doing anything >> and that would give us some history to >> absolutely >> what you're doing now. >> Yeah. Well, dep depending upon where you located and how much the location that you have depends on how many you know you know how how much flow they have at

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that particular site. >> Yeah. >> As you heard with this the gentleman before you in addition when a use changes on a property >> then um betterment is typically assessed. >> Okay. >> So depending on

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what structure you may end up in will depend on how much they're paying for betterments. if they if they're if you need to if someone needs to purchase more capacity at the plant unders so >> okay >> most of the places that you're going to be looking at storefronts or whatever

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commercial residential or commercial area industrial areas they're probably already going to have the plu >> this is about what a a house does in a day >> yeah exactly >> not not much >> exactly so that's where >> how the the cost will just be whatever

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structure You may be fortunate to get into >> just buy yourself a house on commercial. >> We don't do zoning. >> Still looks like a house. >> It is quiet. There's no cells, so you wouldn't even know I was there.

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>> Yeah, he's got an apartment. No, >> so we should take a vote just so he can move. I'll make a motion that we approve the uh the uh allowance of Eric Carvin and what cremation

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consultants to go forward with establishing a business somewhere in Kingston on the sewer and that subsequent to you finding a location just come back to us for final approval. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah, I'll second that.

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>> All in favor? >> I. >> Great. Thank you. And then as far as trying to get a variance for the pH, would that be something separate? >> We'll put that in a permit. And just let that we'll make that put that in a permit. We'll make sure that's a specific permit. >> Okay. We can talk about it later.

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>> Yeah. But you already have CO2. >> Yeah. >> So those are gas cylinders. CO2 gas. >> Exactly. Um we were using just the regular cylinders. You know, if we start running at higher capacity, maybe a doer. Yeah, I think getting specifics of how you how you actually inject it, how you

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monitor it coming in and going out. That's something that Dave was going to want to see and some kind of monthly monitoring, you know, just to so we have a record of it. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> But that that's be for later. >> Sure. >> Just get you going to >> Yeah. Yeah, that's perfect. Thank you.

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>> You're welcome. >> Um, anything else? >> No. >> No. >> Great. I'll be in touch >> just so the other alternative >> with the emissions and stuff I reg my business we regulate about 15 crematoria

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for people in >> and the emissions and all those are way a bit worse than what you're talking about >> you might want to talk to either planning board or the building department about what zones your usage can be done in >> yes absolutely >> a matter of use of special permit right

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planning board just really going through all that right now So, especially in the commercial areas. >> Okay. >> So, you might want to talk to Val and say if we put this where can we put what part of town >> explain what we're trying to do and then go from there. But it sounds like uh

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what was this near route three would be potentially >> 3A is all the sewer. But I'm just saying >> closer to three would be better. >> That's where most of the that's most where the big tours are close to the pump stations. It's where most of the flow is everything is tributary. Industrial Park area, Maria Drive within

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that area. You know, somebody might >> drive right now. I don't think any of those other than the mall. >> Yeah. So, >> no one else is connected. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, no. That's um >> No, >> that new area where

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he's all connected, too. If you're familiar with that >> very lightly, but I'll take a look. >> Yep. >> That over at Mary. So you know where the train station is. >> Yeah. >> Have you had the train station

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left Marian Drive rather some business days back there. So that's the only area over there. Anyway, he's like, I'll give you a general sample. Okay, >> we have things. >> I know you've been in touch already, but

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I'll just give you just in case anyone needs to get in touch with me. Well, best of luck. You always welcome business to down. >> We'll be in touch. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thanks, Eric.

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>> Okay. Commitments. Do we have a total for the commitments or are these still looking for? So what they want to see is if we can reduce the bills. They had a new heating system put in. Um I guess it

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was causing extraordinary water usage. >> 91 Main Street >> 20. >> So their bills have always had current usage like before 21,000. Where did the water go? Yeah.

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>> Well, Dave had looked at this is this guy that has the the um two wells driven. >> It was oil burner. >> So, it seemed like from the discussion that the homeowner provided that it was somewhat related to they were

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>> burning >> basically steaming off a lot of this uh this water. That's all I could get from it. >> A lot of steam. That's what I like that whole house should be like sludge, >> you know. So, and I don't know

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I couldn't gather from it other than that they the kept calling for the order and it was blowing out at the other end somewhere. >> Now, is this one quarter or >> there were two quarters? um things of

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>> Washington. >> So two quarters, one was 2,9139 and the quarter before was 117741. >> Yeah, it was running through a ton of fuel. So it seems like they were just

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doing makeup water that makeup water leaking out. >> No way that or if it was steaming off >> they could have inventing outside confident. >> I mean they ident apparently this

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problem's been identified and would imagine that they fixed it. They did put in a new furnace. >> Did you put a new bar? >> So, I mean, I I'm fine with adjusting this and then if the next quarter continues, then

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there's a bigger problem. >> Yeah. So, we're talking how many thousands of dollars? >> Um, 4,000. >> The water department checked their meter, right? Yep. >> I believe they did accord to the documents.

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>> Yep. And the water department um charged them the lowest tier rate of both orders per thousand. Um >> Yeah. Because based on what they they typically pay I mean this is astronomical. Yeah. I mean you

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>> So water pump has been made already. >> Yeah. Yes. So, has any adjust any suggested? Has anybody figured this yet? >> Nope. I do not figure it out yet. I was using the 21,000 gallons

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because that's what the previous four quarters had used. >> So, is the adjustment made down to what they would have normally used? that >> typically we take an average of the like the last four quarters >> and then um adjust it accordingly. So

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I'll make a motion to adjust these two quarter bills based on their last four quarter average. >> I'll second that. >> All in favor? Hi. >> I know a tremendous amount of water. Um 91 Main Street. They had a weekend and a

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frozen pipe. It looked like a vacant home. >> Yes. So their water and sewer bill was $18,91243. >> How long was it running? >> Their out of town. They didn't >> not have

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>> I think in this case it wasn't going into we weren't treating it. >> No no we weren't treating it but still they're going to charge the lowest tier possible but they give a break. >> Yeah they charge they locked it and charged them the lowest. >> That's still a lot.

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>> So for the the sewer portion it's um the 401. >> Yes. for the $9,596. >> I'd make the same motion that we adjust accordingly based on the last average of the last four quarters. >> I'll second that. >> All in favor?

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>> I now number three. All these abatements are what? >> So the um was not updated to the last upgrade. So all of the seasons account were on um the bills that we just sent

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out. So there will be an adjustment made of $462 because those bills shouldn't have been issued. >> Okay. So where these people are getting a credit of the $42, correct? >> Okay. There's 11 properties involved,

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right? >> Yeah. Okay. make a motion to give these a >> I'll second that. >> Come on, David. >> I Dave, you want to give an update first and then we'll get into everything else?

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>> Sure. Uh so here uh the major uh discovery recently was this uh three rivet you have has been the culprit of uh flushable wipes

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ending up in our wastewater system. This problem has been going on for quite a while. Um, it seemed like it progressively got worse and worse. And if I go back as far as October and look at our records, kind

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of alarming. Um, just think I sent you guys around pile of the rags that we found coming out. 31 rags just in one pull of our little device that was sent in their

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lateral. So, we've been tracking this for a couple months now, and we we've set a couple of traps in different manholes throughout the neighborhood to narrow it down. So, as we started moving up throughout

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the neighborhood, um eventually we discovered that uh it was this one particular house causing all this problem. >> The furthest one away from the >> very last house, the furthest one you can get. would put a chain with hooks on

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it each manhole. >> And as we did after two days, we got that much activity. Wow. >> And that was only 10 houses upstream of that. >> So we eventually sent the cameras in, televised the line,

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figured out which house it is. I spent the last uh two days in my free time tallying up all the visits that we paid. Each one's itemized in terms of how many manh hours and how much money it cost

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us. We made over 45 trips out to this neighborhood just pulling pumps and trying to resolve this issue. Uh, at one point back in I think it was December, I went house to house

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delivering letters. Um, when the homeowner came out from number three or the resident, I don't want to say the homeowner, but the resident came out the other day and admitted that they were putting rags down the line and u

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also admitted that they got the letter. So, this is the kind of thing I've been dealing with. Even though you get a letter saying don't do this, >> right? It's blatant. >> They're admitting that they're putting back in. So I did a grand total on the expense that this has set us back just

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since October, $17, $536.73. And I'm sure I missed a couple of others. So >> even though they've been notified, stuff keeps happening.

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>> Okay. Uh >> so I wanted to bring this to everyone's attention and see if anyone has any thoughts on this. I have my own thoughts. Um >> just to make that that's additional time spent beyond the normal

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day is yeah all overtime kind of thing. >> This was um not all overtime. So each event, if it was a day activity, um it was above beyond our normal duty. >> So to give you an idea,

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all our pump stations in town, say there's 16 of them, I might go to one pump station once a year because of a problem. >> That's good enough.

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Many pump stations don't even have to do anything to the whole year >> other than take down our hunts. >> And you've had 45 chips in a matter of months. >> Oh yeah. Since October. >> So this includes overtime, regular time.

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>> Didn't indicate what they were using them for. It wasn't Um, judging by what's going on there, I imagine it was to clean themselves out today, take care of it. Even a human being doesn't use that many breaks in a

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day. >> Something's going on there. Well, my first thought would be um they continue doing it um and knew otherwise.

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I say we send them the bill for the 17,000 536. >> Get their attention. >> I got a motion. >> Motion. >> So I don't disagree nor agree, but I think

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>> I I went back and looked at our rules. We don't have a real any we've never had an idea with this because it's never been someone reaches like this. >> So I went back and did a little research and what other other school systems have done and I just pulled this one out. North they have a long list of like on

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their web page and what not to do. It's actually a lot bigger than I would expect is some of the things they not going down. The whole idea here is to get to I think we should look at a a fee schedule, right, that deals with some of the stuff, but most of what I'm thinking

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about is like 200 bucks, 300 bucks where you know, we warn you once, we warn you twice, the third time we give you, you know, and then it goes up from there. This is a bigger thing. And what we do have in our rules is if anyone sends stuff down that causes trouble, it's

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it's like un it's enough open to us. Um on that point I think um two things one is a letter that number this is what it's

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cost us above and beyond our great staff's ability to run the sewage treatment plant and this is what it's cost. We are charging you some number. It's our number, a different number, and

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uh we extract you in here. Uh we want you to seize the system immediately, like something to that, this is like new territory, but something that gets their attention and gets them in here, >> right? >> And a big number in front of them. And we may negotiate it from that point down, but really get their attention

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because this is one out of what 4,000 customers. Yeah. Whatever it is. >> Well, and and even more so, it took them away from doing other >> Yeah. maintenance on other areas just trying to figure out what's going on and

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I think that's a good approach. >> Yeah. So, do you want to bring them in or >> um I I want them at all? >> Yeah. A letter saying please call to make an >> appointment to attend our next meeting. >> Yeah. And send them a letter that we

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have >> his daughter. Yeah. >> First of all, the other question just not that who is the owner? We're not sure that they're the owner and the tenants or whatever. So, find out who the owner is just to make sure that's clear because that's who's responsible rental. You can find out the rental

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property by looking them up and seeing where the bills get sent to. >> So, he does have a the homeowner does have a 2026 motor vehicle excise tax at that address. Check for the assessor's office.

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>> Okay. and they haven't um registered for the census in the clerk's office since 2024. >> Okay. >> But what they're saying is if you if you were to look up where the tax bill goes, >> it goes to the person that has the voting >> at that residence. Okay. So that

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confirms that >> they're the owners. We do have a portion of our rules and regulations on page 13 that talks about uh you know what you can and can't put down the the line and part of that does talk

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about you know no ash and sand mud straw shavings metal glass rags disposable wipes dental floss disposable gloves so it is spelled out a great >> you know Jeanie's posted all that stuff on our website so and then on top of

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getting the letter. It was December 10th that they got the letter and continued. You know, here we are three months later. >> I think sent him a letter with the that assessment, >> right? >> Just saying, "Come on in. We want to talk to you." And let it go from there.

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I agree. I'm just >> Well, we've already we've already proven that there's been over $17,000 worth of manhow put into this budget. >> Yeah. Labor cost. And who knows what other problems might have happened to that pump. And it's, you know, like the

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pumps got clogged up me multiple times before the you start tracking it back. So you start jamming up a pump Yeah. >> impellas and start Yeah. you're talking things and you're doing you know bearings go and >> life of the pump is going to be cut in half or very much cut shorter.

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So, we had we had some issues resulting from this that the U controller that runs that station, they don't make it any longer. >> So, we were thinking there was a problem with controller. So, we changed out the

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controller so it wouldn't just all of a sudden die on us one day like it did on May's sister station. So, we changed out the controller uh because the prior controller wasn't calling us out sometimes when it failed. So, we'd show up in the morning and

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luckily nothing overflow. But, you know, to your point, >> you know, it wasn't just a simple, hey, you know, it's tying us up, you got >> for that to run down to, you know, Jones River and out to the ocean because

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someone's not paying attention to or not caring to pay attention to what a big adult or uh yeah, so I I feel definitely a cease and desist um letter And if you could have

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it delivered hand delivered by Cosmo, get that done. >> Yeah, that'd be good. >> Questionable is better than certified. >> I didn't get the letter. >> You can ignore certified. >> That's my take on it. And then then you know it came into the hands.

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>> The letter will be 17,000 and change that you mentioned as a number. >> Right. >> Right. >> I'm just thinking now we round it up. What did the controller cost to replace? >> Oh, I've got that. Well, the controller I didn't put in there, but the labor for the electrician I put in there.

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>> Controller few bucks or >> I planned on upgrading the controller anyway. >> So, that's fair. Yeah, whatever that number is. Yeah, >> we going to feel like I was lenient with some of the stuff that, you know, if I dug deeper, I'm sure there were a few

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more days that we went down there, but >> please cease and assisted prohibitive items from the sewer line, >> disposable wipes, >> which is give them a copy of rules and regulations with the paperwork they get,

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the letter that we provide on to them, and some word. >> I did also notice that in our rules and regulations uh on sore rates charges, civil fees and penalties, we've got violations of any

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article the sore rates, charges, fees, and civil penalties should be subject to a fine of not less than $50 or no more than $1,000 each day in which a violation occurs. It could be considered a separate violation. You have that in

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there then already. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Maximum >> kind of just making the connection to the >> this was I thought this was worse. I mean this is like a unique thing. That's why I was trying to figure out how do we get to that point but now that you've articulated if you go to the thousand

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times how many times you're up there? >> 45. >> Yeah. 45,000. >> Yeah. So >> um Yeah. I feel like that, you know, once they're served, I feel like I should put my catch device in their manhole again. And I I feel that we

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should do it, you know, every time I pull that out, if we find a rag in there, >> how many how many >> how many houses going into that manhole? >> Just that, not just that. >> So that be interesting. How many h how many how many houses at that location

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are going into that manhole before flows out to the next man? Oh. Um, they're the last person on the line. >> All right. So, there's this one stump coming into that mantle by some. >> So, it's a dead end manhole. >> Yeah. >> They're the first ones to tie in about 4 ft in from the end.

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>> Okay. >> And then there's another one. There's probably seven more on that next >> line going beyond it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, they're the only ones dumping into that that last. >> They're the last ones. >> They're the last ones in the 10. There's

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10 coming in, right? is on that street. There's probably 15 houses. >> Okay. So, they it's flowing back and then it's blowing out. >> They're on the top of the hill, let's say. >> Yep. That's right. >> Up there and everything blows down from them. >> So, they wouldn't be blocking anyone

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else. They'd be blocking themselves if 100%. >> I'm surprised that hadn't happened. But when those things all make it down to our pump station, that's when our pumps clog up and can't handle the whole neighbor. >> Okay.

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>> Which is over 100 spreading. >> Have you had any since this last time you had other since you talked to them and you had this? >> Uh I don't believe we pulled the pumps this weekend. So we went out Friday

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um when I discovered all this stuff. We went over, pulled the bar screen up that we installed to catch all the rags. Pull that out, clean that out, clean out both pumps, reinstall them. >> It's still going to take a couple of weeks for that all that's in that system

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to blow all the way back down. >> It may. >> So, they are the furthest person upstream on that run, >> right? at last put us a name. So that's a house there. >> Yeah. There's a house here in front of them

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before 3A >> right on the corner. Yeah. >> Yeah. So this is the second one back in there back in. >> Yeah. The only they tie in about four feet in from this manhole that everything out. That means >> 3. I was here. This is

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so >> I'm I'm thinking at this point once we have them observe their papers that we throw our little catcher in there and leave it in there. >> Yeah. >> And anything everything gets caught on it, >> you've been served.

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>> Right. including the letter that you know going once they've been served that it's going to be $1,000. >> So you could go in the mail hole and push it down and catch right in. That's good for >> Yeah. In fact, uh

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she actually did better. >> Yep. That much volume seems like doing something in there. That's the dead end. >> And you can see that connection from manual if you go with me. >> Man looks pretty good for 20 years old.

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>> Get out of it. >> Typical engineer. So yeah, we just tie that off to >> Yeah. Who came up with that? >> That was me. >> Ingenious. >> You make a million dollars on this. >> I sp there for a couple of days and I was going to swing by and say, "You guys catching anything today?"

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>> I didn't go fishing. >> But I was impressed with this. Those those are like worse than a towel. They're like really heavy woven things. I mean, I don't know. You buy them. They're like They're not like for babies or anything. These are like work on a truck, you know? Look, they're really heavy. That really thick. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Like a mocket when they were all wrapped together. >> This is other >> for liquid. >> I showed this the day earlier. This is the kind of grinder pump that they have to put in when they because this is a problem everywhere. They have this new each pump. This is for a very low flow.

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They're called razor pumps. They're they're selfsharpening. Each one goes around 3,500 bucks. >> And even they only have a one-year warranty on them. >> Oh, really? Yeah, because you thought, you don't know. There's grits and all kinds of stuff. Even they're very sharp. They can cut those things up. But they d

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so fast. You got to take them out. So, they recommend you have three of these on standby for each location. If you got to take one out, you can you eventually have to take the impeller and get a whole new one. >> They're like tungsten steel razor sharp and they still get double. So, they're not talking a cheap fix.

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>> No, they're $10,000, >> but they recommend three. >> Yeah. It's crazy. Mhm. >> Well, thank you Dave for finding that out. And >> so the motion is to send a letter of cease and assist and 17,000 and whatever number they've gave

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us and >> and uh going forward that they'd be fined the maximum fine >> when they're coming in here. >> Yeah. >> We're going to talk to them. >> Yeah. If you have an issue with this or do we just ask them to come in? I ask them to come in anyway.

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Um, so what sort of uh process would this go through if we held them to a dollar amount? Does that get How does that We'd have to go through attach it to council

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>> tax bill council. >> Yeah, >> probably. I mean it lean on the property. >> Yeah, that's what I Yeah, >> the lean on the property. All right, we'll get something together. My time will free up if I don't have to go out there 45 times in the next three

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months. >> Just discussing though, I would be able to deal with important stuff. >> Take the data you did and and say that you know based on a thousand dollars per day for our regulations. This would be a considerably higher number. Something to that effect. Just to put it in context.

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>> Yeah. >> They want to fight it. We can say, "Well, we can fight it all day long, you know. When we have the draft letter, we can run it by legal. >> Yeah. >> Because to that statement to enforcement,

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I think uh yeah, this is crazy. Absolutely crazy. And then to be told that, yeah, we've been doing it. We should be better. >> One last thing on that subject is there was a bill was passed. I think this is actually becoming law in January of next

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year. But this is one I didn't see our representative on here, but I know I sent the letter to her to sponsor this to support this bill a year two in a row now. It's been off, but I think it passed. But this is for the manufacturer

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gives them until next January to stop putting stop making them. Oh, >> and that's not not sorry. We stop selling them saying they're disposable to put on them. They're not disposable. They cannot be put down blah blah blah. And then there's a 10-year enforcement

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to the manufacturer. So, it's a very slow process to get them. It's like getting people to stop smoking. >> But the the law, I think, has been passed, but it doesn't really help us. >> Question. Do you want to take on that

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question? Um, so we've got the we're sending a letter with the details mentioned. Um, so that's the motion. Do we have a second? >> Second. I second it. Yeah. >> All in favor? >> I don't. >> So it has been written. So let it let it

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be done. It shall be done. >> Uh, staffing. So I got some interaction this past week with HR about our admin position. So, I'm hoping there's going to be some movement soon. Uh, there's questions about how many hours a week

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and what the hours specifically would be. So, uh, looks like that might be the next step is that go to the union getting people from the union before it can be posted. So, I'm hoping I don't want to get too excited, but I'm hoping something will happen soon.

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>> Um, individual that's been out on injury for over a year now. Um actually have a meeting this Thursday with HR regarding that position and to see if we're going to uh

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offer him light duty and then if he doesn't get light if he doesn't come back as light duty the discussion Thursday is what we do at that point. So I'll have some updates. Um I think the next time this person goes in for assessment is April 10th. So

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by April 10th, we should know if we're going to be posed in the position operating this person back on. So I hope that um hope we can get to the end with a good result by by next month. So hopefully we can get our staffing back in order.

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Um one of my other guys went out and had his appendix moved on Friday. Oh, she's she's back to work. Light duty. >> Light duty. So here we have someone who can handle light duty after getting an appendance out last Friday who was in

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into work on Monday morning. Someone else is not able to do that after a year. So I'm hoping we get some less on that. Um other than that everything in the plant is going business as usual. Drove

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chaos. What about the >> We're not fishing for rags. We're uh just dealing with other emergencies. the plant position. >> So, um plant position was discussed.

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She's gonna push that through the union as well, but there was no question about manh hours because all that squared away. So, I'm hoping those two positions the intention was both would go through. >> Okay. So, that discuss the same track. >> Okay.

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>> And how'd you make the snowstorm? >> Uh snowstorm was quite a challenge. We had just about every generator in town on um either backup, you know, whether it was gas or propane. I mean, natural

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gas or diesel. So, the ones that were on diesel, we had to just go continually feed them through the through the whole store. Uh we had an issue is issue on Mar and drive that the battery backup system that functions when you lose city

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power and before the generator kicks on that saw unequal voltage coming in. There must have been a power surge shut down the brain for it and it never came back on. >> And once that happened it didn't measure any levels in the Marriott drive pump

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station. So the computer system had no way to tell us that the station was filling up. So luckily it was caught following morning. Uh was it Monday morning? >> Yeah, Monday morning it was caught

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during regular routes and Dave was able to go in there switch the UPS from normal to bypass. So we bypass a UPS, generated power, powered everything up and powered it until the film end. So

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after it was ended, then we got a technician in, he came in and reprogram the thing. It's not something you can just reset yourself. There's a program that has to be set into it. So >> we had a lot of problems with that conversation, haven't we? >> Yeah, we've gotten to the end of the

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pump in there. But there's been and I imagine when the whole system started that each one of these stations along the way had their own idiosyncrasies. This one here being more high tech

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is also going through all the issues and you know it's everything's so computerized and sensitive nowadays electricity. So a lot of the stations when we've learned about these problems we put in

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uh an emergency float that becomes called the ocean float that this thing is set at the highest level that even if all the computer stuff stops working once that flow trips it'll then immediately send power to the

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pumps and it'll pump it until the trigger goes out. So, we've done that at a few stations to get around some things. So, when I get freed up, that's probably going to be a plan for management. Sure. That's a great thing to have. We

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had I ran a clean print in this very exclusive condominium stream was at the highest point. So, if the tank overflowed, >> it went down through all the houses. >> Okay. >> So, we had exactly the same thing. It happened once when I wasn't running it. Except no, I'm putting that in there.

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Yeah, million-dollar condos. They don't like sewage going down the street. >> That's not a good >> Yeah. So, there's probably out of the 16 stations we have, I'd say five of them right now have that extra float in it. So, we just, you know, as time permits,

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you try >> play whack-a-ole with some of your problems. It's just a matter of, you know, then you get distracted with something like this that's completely out of line and it's frustrating because you can't deal with the real things you need to be dealing with at the time. So,

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and we've been short staff for over a year now. So, this stuff doesn't help. Oh, and then one other thing uh which is on here I believe is um just make sure capacity I haven't gotten

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to the bottom of it yet but um I know with our discussions with select board that will be forthcoming about assets in town. Um, I just want to make sure that what we collectively figure as our capacity jives with everyone. So, I know

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Elaine had done some stuff in the past on capacity. Brian, you've been working on some stuff. Jeie and I are going to compare our numbers, see where we're at for current users and future capacity. And I was talking to CDM about it um

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recently and have them doing some computations as well. So everything I'm seeing looks like we're all on the right target and we're on the same page. But just we're speaking about it select board. I just kind of want to wrap that. >> Yeah.

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>> Some current data. >> I'll put out what I've been I I don't have current flow but that the the key that may that we just have to remember to take into consideration are the people who bought the extra capacity have paid for the extra capacity and not

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using it yet. So >> yeah, which is a very important number. >> Yeah, for example, um, Stock and Shaw Plaza, they bought extra capacity. Big Wide Plaza bought extra capacity. They haven't maxed it out yet, but they still bought it. So they haven't reserved at

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the plant >> and the mall had some. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> I know my number, we talked about this many months ago for the same reason. >> Yeah. And there's a it's a little amorphous what actually this because you have EUS are probably one number based on a it's

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a calculation it's not actually flow >> right >> and that's where we got to be careful because we're going to think we have no capacity when we actually do have >> well I I say we we sell at title five capac formula and we plan on afroof

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>> some people not us >> they're here Whoa. What are you talking about? >> Yeah. >> How does state look at that? Do they look at the actual flow or do they look at that number? >> Actually, title five. Okay. >> Because it's totally different.

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>> Yeah. Title five is >> right. >> Better just title five is for septic system, but it's based on really good data. I know this because I was involved with reviewing it all for many many many many years worth of data from all kinds

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of facilities monitored by my staff and a rule of thumb that we had until recently is that take everything in title five cut in half that's the actual flow >> is it's based title five it says right in title five it's 200% of the average flow >> oh okay because

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>> so it's a peak flow number okay but that's for septic systems but it also works for everything in sewer it's sewage is sewage you know If you whether you're on a sew or you're using septic system, those people still flush those same, still do showers, whatever they're going to do, it's okay. >> But that's the rule of thumb. >> Well, that's

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>> but with the kind of things that been going on with the state for 20 years now that report that we sent to the on the moratorium. >> Yeah. >> So, if you look at the number, it's more like 70 gallons. It should be 55. So, take 110 divided by half is 55. Okay.

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That's where we should be. But in real terms, we've been at 70 85 actually. It's been going down to 70 now and it's going to potentially go to 55. So all the phone numbers from our number should actually go down. So my point here is

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that our capacity is actually going to go up over time as people put in low flow washing machines, low flow showerheads, low flow whatever. >> So yeah, title five based on three bedrooms. They bas basically basing it

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on two occupants per bedroom of six people in that house. I tell you what, children use more water than adults do it comes to laundry. >> Exactly when they're 15y old girls. >> 20. I can watch this.

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>> How long you going to take a shower for? I'm not done yet. >> Yeah. >> Want to showers a day? >> Yeah. Twice a day. >> Well, I got up. I get I was dirty but I just I get clean for the day and I get

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dirty. I don't really go in bed 30. So that's why you wash your shoes once you get the dust off. >> Dave mentioned this. Did it go back to the assets? Couldn't you discuss with SL? I know Dave went to that. Um I'm just a general question. Are we going to

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you think we're going to be getting some kind of a notification and a kind of an agenda of what we're supposed to be ready to talk about? Is there any theme? >> I haven't heard anything. >> Okay. Just from what I witnessed at the selectman meeting last week was just a

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general mention of that. Okay. Uh it was brought up that they they want to extend the invitation out to water above and waste water and and highways both streets trees and parks to discuss the assets in town and they all agreed. So I

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imagine it's coming. Um, I'd love to have that discussion >> and I just want to get ahead of it so that I'm not scrambling down the road and especially with the Marramar stuff and other things coming up. At least, you know, we got some fresh information

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and we're all at agreement. We are >> that's a couple months away or a month away or something. You don't know. >> It's hard saying, you know, the budgets are all coming up. Everything else is coming up. >> Town meeting, elections. >> Yeah. So, and that's now that

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town meeting coming up. Um, you know, we have to have our audits for town meeting the deadlines next Tuesday. But we typically we have the operating budget that over the years they've also

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combined um free cash number in that as well, but we don't have that yet because 25 hasn't been final closed out, right? >> Yeah. So, >> yeah. So we're we're going into the budget season not knowing

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what our revenue is this year. So FY27 is a >> yeah without >> estimate. We don't even have we don't even know what our final revenue numbers were or anything yet. So that's um a challenge. So we can put a placeholder

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in for the operating budget because the town allocated costs. I want to see what those are going to be this year. um in have a um a discussion on the numbers that we're given.

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So operating budget, free cash number. So Dave, if there's something I'm making it up because we have no idea. Let's say there's $100,000 worth of free cash. I know you have your estimates, but let's just use that number. What you may want to use it for

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so that language is correct. So the number can be plugged in. It's the language whatever you want to use it for or just carry it over. So yeah, and I will say like last year it seems like all that wording

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was changed >> and that's when everything got >> exactly >> very confusing. >> Right. I personally like how it's been done for the last whatever 13 years I've been here to write it out that way, but I imagine if we do that, it's going to

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get spun back around to something similar to what we produced or what was written before us last year. So, I don't know what your thoughts are. You go with last year's form. >> How about we submit our form that we

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have for the past 20 years? >> Okay. And if there's any modifications to be made, we sit at the table and talk to them because based on the language that was in those articles confined and restricted us for the use of money.

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>> So we can't have that happen. So that would be my thoughts. Go with the the format that we've always used. >> It was easy to understand as far as I see. >> Right. So, and it doesn't do us any good if we don't if the numbers can't be

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explained. >> It opens up a door for the discussion we've had many times, which is the buying the water s commission and our own account. >> Well, that's why I want to see what the town allocated costs are between us and and uh water. Um, I think ours were like

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500 5400,000ish and there's going to be at least So, for $800,000, what are the two enterprise funds getting in services? So, yeah, >> we have to still do it all over again. That's what we get. >> Yeah. So,

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>> that's that's the simple answer. You'll get anything, >> right? >> So, that's that's why the getting it these numbers are critical so we can plan accordingly. and argue for opposition. >> Yeah. >> I just the more I look in this and I've

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seen this in other towns. >> You see >> and then probably put that article back on for the $137,000 to go towards the leeching field and you know if if Tom meeting supports it fine. If not

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at least we've we've added again. >> Yeah. So the leeching field then we have to look at um our FY26 current year that if we have to augment

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that to to cover any shortfalls. Uh Jeie and I talked today about just kind of giving that a fresh look over the next couple of days to make sure, you know, it's hard to know if we don't have a number for free cash from 25 going into 26, but we're going to have

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to kind of make some assumptions. >> Well, and that's it. And and at one point we had allocated $300,000 to pay for any outstanding debt. And we don't know where that amount ended up. Correct. >> You didn't use it.

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>> That got put on to contract >> services on a line item on our operating budget and that's when I had gone to do and they said that that was not how it should be handled. >> It should >> and it hasn't been moved. Yeah. >> We asked for it to be moved

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>> because if it stays in the line item in the operating budget, then it inflates our operating budget by 300,000. >> Correct. and then it would roll over into free chaos when we allocated it to a specific article for the unrestricted

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use based on the voter town meeting it was for debt uh and then I think we had an any other so could we write an article if this thing doesn't get moved can we write an article to move that 300,000 that was inadvertently moved to the wrong account to be put in the right

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account >> I would say yes >> sounds good to me too. >> Yeah, you tried every other avenue and and again it's March in the FY25 books are close. Yeah. >> Yeah. Just reinforces the >> get it fixed before the town meeting

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before the article. All right. You don't have to move it. >> But it also maybe I wouldn't just hold it because it may be something wanted to reaffirm that way. The fact they had to fix it is one question, but to make sure that from now on or take what we were

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doing before and making sure that that's the way the article always is written, >> right? >> So that it doesn't get lost in the translation next year or the year after, >> right? >> It all goes back to the um accounting thing. What we've been burdened with is

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twofold inaccurate accounting and fixing it, >> right? >> Yeah. Once the problem has once the issues have been identified, it's getting them rectified so we have a clean book >> when we don't have a clean book because we don't know what's

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we don't have a clean up. >> Can the director of accounts at do say the that the person you can't take an article literal you have to see what the whole article states >> what it was voted for

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>> for. >> Right. and the person was just taking very literal, not thinking it through. >> So, we'll need an article for the 300,000 get switched to where it should, then

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we'll have to look at supplementing the FY26 budget if there is a short ball, which we don't expect there to be, but if there is, just decide time to roll it in. We'll have to kind of come up with a number and figure that out between me or next >> Tuesday.

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>> Well, even if we don't have the exact number by next Tuesday, we have a language and a placeholder >> place. Yeah. >> Because we're not going to have any exacts anything until they close 25. >> Yep. Okay. >> And then our FY27 budget will just

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format it like it used to be. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Okay. So that takes care of the financials, uh, the warning articles. So now it looks like we're down to Marramma letter in discussion.

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>> Okay. So a couple things in Marma. So everybody should have gotten a copy from CDM of the CDM's separate contract to be overseeing. Yeah, >> I think that I looked that reminded me. It's a not to exceed.

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So that can be separately agreed to with us once we get the other pieces of information. >> Right. >> Second part of this is uh the letter that we agreed to and drafted is in in the hands of town council for review

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>> and um I followed up with uh the proponent of the project at Marramar >> and was informed this afternoon that the letter has been drafted, the agreement has been drafted. They were still creaking around. They have our number.

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So they had a placeholder, you know. So this is where we're going and we should have that final for us by Friday. >> Oh, good. >> This week at that point, we can then what I would say is we let Genie and and Dave just uh pass it on to town council.

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This is what we got from them and we'll take it up at our April 7th meeting, but Jeie can send it to us just so we can have something to look at that looks like. I was going to say we can even I mean I I know um we're on the fast track with this. We can even call a meeting

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after we get it if we don't have to wait till the seventh. >> Just see that's a better idea actually. >> We want to get get that going. Once we get that going the time is going to be with the town council and if they see the two things together three things now. Yeah. >> Got a separate contract agreement on the

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number and agreement on the whole package. The contracts with CDM will be they'll review for form not content. The other letters with Mara will be >> the legal ease and all of that. So at least CDM budget and then when the

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money's in place then um town administrator can sign off on it and the accountant can sign up on it. >> And I guess that let Dave and Jean deal with an administrator and all the various people that have to sign it. You'll see

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it's there was a question that that contract proceding it and Yeah. Okay. And that's fine. I mean that's >> that's what we've been doing. >> Chair commission. >> Yeah. That's what we've been doing. >> Okay. >> That's fine with me. That's just

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>> Yeah. Just >> Yeah. So it's it's superintendent, town administrator, accountants, and legal. >> Yeah. >> So >> did that move. That's going to be that's going to be the critical path. I think it's easy.

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>> Yeah. Exactly. >> We have to hang up. >> Yeah. >> And and it's a very uh just public statement, but it's a very low key kind of thing at this point. uh in Ducksburg.

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It's a I don't know if you're here know what you're talking about. Just uh it doesn't happen until it happens. >> Yeah. >> So, >> getting it expedited is critical for a lot of reasons. >> All right. >> So, those are the three things that I

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had to say that. >> Anything else? Bill, Jean, Dave? Um, we have Mark. Would you like to say anything? Do you have anything to ask or could

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>> he muted? >> Yeah, he's muted. Mark, >> did he just >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And nobody else is on. >> He's all Okay. >> Actually, there's one thing that's kind of related. Um, Jean, you know about uh

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it's another project that's going to come before us is that we've already talked about on drive. >> Yep. >> And that that's that's not going to go. >> So, what they what they um decided to do is they didn't want to extend the extension on their comprehensive permit

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>> who didn't want to extend >> pushment bond. >> Okay. >> Um they want them to close it, deny it, and let them go to mass housing. >> Okay. they go through mass housing that's they don't want to give any more updated information they'll be that when

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they go to mass housing >> and that decision will be made next week or something tomorrow they are coming before um the zoning board and uh Jay will be there from legal counsel from the town um

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and we'll see what happens >> good the sense that you have the administr person there is that the s board is not going to move forward approving it. Right. So most likely

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>> they have gotten um recommendations um but that's something that they'll have to >> Yeah. Okay. All right. >> And that's why Jay is going to be there to give legal guidance to the board. >> Good. Good to know that he's coming.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. You good? >> I think I want you to return. I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I I