Okay, we're going to pass the bills around. Anybody would like to take a look at him. >> That's not your copy. We're supposed to sign that. >> It's an error in it. Ah, >> that's why I had you look at it. >> The editor,
>> that's why I had you look at >> Okay. In the interest of uh >> you still find it. >> What did you Excuse me. What exactly did you find here? >> You have a um
two paragraph. You have a paragraph broken in two paragraphs with a uh see the >> I say it's the spacing. I know the spacing came out weird >> description errors >> okay but isn't there any error with >> no contentwise there isn't format wise of it
>> okay all right >> and it's >> it's simply do d do d do d do d do d do d do d do d do d do d doy noted we can still sign it >> we're just starting >> the content of the letter is fine >> okay maybe after this maybe you could run down and get a clean copy can you print
a clean copy >> um if not I the original. >> Oh, >> I can sure. >> I can swing by things up. >> Okay. >> Rosemary, do you want to pass back in
the lecture? I'll look at it. >> Oh, sure. >> Mr. Dan, yes. >> You are here to represent Mr. Tomsburg of a situation at 360 country club. Would you like to come up and chair? >> Sure. Sure. Thank you. >> How are you, sir? >> I'm good. Good. Thank you. Good.
>> Good evening. Good evening. Good afternoon. Right now, right? >> Thank you. Yeah. I um I represent Fred Hollinsburg Jr. Not Junior. Sorry, son. Um he's not even just to let you know. Um and we were appealing the
um decision um by I guess the complaintant who was the town manager who was now moving on. Um, and I think the reason and the basis for it is is um that if
you go to the site and you take a look at it, uh, the property is owned by by the sign, right? And, um, somebody illegally dumped, okay? Um, and so,
you know, there has been stuff going on between the father and son litigation a lot. If you don't know about it, I won't bore you with the details, but I suppose you probably heard a lot of different things. And um the way that this felt from Fred
Donsburg, June, the son, okay, is that the town administrator or manager, I'm not sure what the title is here, but um may have put his thumb on the scale of justice, so to speak. >> I don't understand what you mean. Well, in other words, that he's partaking and
and taking a side on this this issue. >> In which direction? >> Uh in the direction of trying to suggest that there's some problem on the property. It just came from the site itself. You can't see anything. Uh other than maybe a uh two pieces of of what
belongs to looks like a piece of furniture. Uh that's it. The rest of the material you can't even see from the street. And the only way you can see it is coming in a slight direction which is going towards the clubhouse as opposed to going away from the clubhouse. So you really have to kind of go on the
property and see anything else that's there that had been dumped >> out of sight and not necessarily out of line. >> That's very true. But there are a lot of places in town, not here, but I know my town where people are hoarders and they put a lot of stuff that we might consider junk that they consider as
treasure that's on their property. And um you know I think the issue is that that was a concern that was raised um by Mr. Donsburg about, you know, why is it that the town administrator who was paid a great deal of money decides to take a
complaint out against a resident on a street that has a buildable lot that hasn't been built yet just doesn't really settle well considering that um you would think that it would be manager's position other things to deal
with in town instead of having to go onto the property. That's the reason why there there's this feeling that there was singling out by maybe the town manager of Miss Johnsbury. Now, we're not denying the fact that there's stuff on the property and we're not denying
the fact that the stuff's got to come off the property, but given the nature of how this came about, seems that it's unfair because he's victimized in the first place because somebody dumped in there. It's not his stuff. It's not know >> somebody dump stuff. I prop I have
things dumped on my property all the time. and is my job to maintain my property. >> That's true. >> Okay. And the board of health is not involved with whatever family dispute may be going on. Yeah. >> And we were not involved. The town administrator at the time did not come
and lodge this complaint to us. We moved forward in a way after giving multiple chances to and being ignored. And this is why we are at the situation we are at currently.
>> I understand. Um I guess the thought was I know according to Mr. Hanssburg, he asked who was the complaint and I thought I'd heard and I thought I may be wrong that it was the town manager who was the complaintant. That's what I thought I I'd received. I may be wrong, but if I
was then I so be it. But that's my understanding. And if I'm correct, it kind of begs the question, why is the town manager getting involved in a situation like that? >> Okay. First of all, just so to correct your terminology, no other reason, he's
we have a town administrator. >> No, no, just that's all. Don't take any. Um, >> so >> help me out with this. >> Okay. So, how this all >> the health agent? >> Yes. Actually, I want to say she was very helpful. I met with her. Um, very cooperative. doctor really. Yes. I want
to say you got a good health board to help patients. >> Thanks. Appreciate that. I'm trying to be helpful. Uh so the reason it came about is we actually were um myself, the building inspector, town administrator,
um electrical inspector, all were on the country club property. We were at at that neighborhood um to investigate an illegal what was described as illegal electrical hookup
and some issues with a building on the golf course. So, we actually parked um I believe it's next to this property at a neighbor's propert because it was easy to access through their gate. Um, I'm not sure the people's name, but I know
they love racing and they were taking off. They were quite lovely and they let us proceed through their backyard and we walked up to this building. Um, and that's why we saw this. So, there was four people in the car that saw this and
the pictures that were taken were taken by me from the street as is. Um, I'm not allowed to enter anybody's property without permission. So, I can only take pictures from the street and that's what's visible from the street. So, that's how the pictures were obtained.
And the reason that the town administrator um issued the complaint, apparently, he had neighbors say something when they saw him there. uh neighbors did speak up, but nobody wants to get involved because
they, as you said, there's this issue and nobody wants to get in between it or ruffle either either party's feathers and so he put it on paper so that I would be need to go and do this. And that's how the collection order issued.
Uh there was no intention to um incite or tip the judg the scales. Um in fact, we were there for the other Mr. Johnsburg. Um and this just happened to be seen. So once it's seen, I can't
unsee it. So that's that's how the whole situation is started. >> What is it you're looking for? I we would ask that you know um we would ask that um we will remove it
um at the time that we'd be seeking which we're going to be seeking soon um board of health approval to be able to put a system what that timing is but tell you but um that's that's what we'd be seeking from the board
>> so that I understand you that it's this stuff whatever it is is going to stay there until something else happens. >> Um, that's our position currently. Correct. >> We got to kind of change that.
>> We can't We can't really live with that. I mean, >> I understand. >> So, first things first, I'm not one minute, sir. And first things first, we've requested on a number of occasions that this situation be cleaned up. I
don't think that's an unreasonable thing for us as a health board to say get it taken care of. What's the big deal here? And there's been no action to that. None. And we both agree to that. But now
to ask for further delays to do what we've been asking to get done, you know, that's I'm not hearing that good. So what else can we do for you? Um, well then I would probably say then we
would need some time to to get the stuff to move out. I'd ask for for time. >> We got a chair and some trash. I mean, what what what this isn't look like some insurmountable thing to me. >> Yeah. Go ahead, Dennis. >> Um, it looks to me unless there's
something I'm not seeing those possible. uh a pickup truck and two guys to put it on the back of a pickup truck and haul it to the transfer station, you're looking at maybe a half an hour to 45 minutes worth of uh effort involved. And
I don't understand the need to protract this any longer because it's, you know, once it's cleaned up, it's not an issue. It's not an issue. As long as it remains there, it remains an issue. And if I were you, and I'm not you, and I'm not
going to give you advice because that's not my job, but if I were you, I would just get the damn stuff out of there and say, call it a day and move on with the rest of your life and other plans that you have as opposed to leaving that there, which just creates a an ongoing
situation that is not to your advantage. It's not to ours. You know, we have other things to do, too. The first rule that we try to follow as a board is first do no harm. But we also have to maintain a standard
once we put a stake in the ground and say this, you know, this is got to be rectified. We're not going to pull the stake up and say, I guess I guess guess we're not going to enforce that portion of the law. Well, that's that's not that's not a viable option for us and nor is it for you. So just just have it
removed. take care of it and go on with your life and your business. And uh two people, pickup truck, maybe 10 or $15, if that tipping fee at the transfer station, probably nothing.
You're done. Half a day. It's all gone. >> Can I see that? >> Can I see the package, please? Because this isn't it's not like this is a new issue. This has been going on since June and we are in October.
>> This is four months later that we have been asking for this to be cleaned up. >> I feel for you. >> What else would you have us do? >> Um I think we're ready for a decision at this point. I mean I had one before you sat down.
>> I think we did too. But I appreciate your at least hearing us at this point. >> Oh god, no. >> You have that right. I mean, you killed >> I've been I've been doing this 30 years and I've been on boards myself. So, I know exactly what your functions are. I do appreciate your opportunity. I'm just
trying to explain to you what you know you're looking at. I do appreciate your consideration. I really do. >> But you can speak to me. No, I can't. >> I I understand. >> I don't expect that you would. >> I I I I understand from where you folks are coming. I just think um um
sometimes things have to go in the direction they have to go just the way it is. But you can't assure us that this will will get done or not. >> Uh >> during that time frame even
>> I wouldn't say that. I'd say what is the time frame? I certainly could try it. We're at $450 right now and I have not made it out this week to confirm it would be $600 worth of fines at this point that you guys instituted the date.
>> I don't know how you want to approach that. >> We had multiple times we've had this on the agenda. >> Right. The other issue that I think more importantly isn't being addressed is that there's the potential for vermin um to be and in animals to be nesting in
that the weather's getting cold and that makes a great space for critters and so now you're you know attracting unwanted guests in a neighborhood that other people live nearby.
I there's a view point that I hadn't considered. >> I just want to put this is not meant to be punitive. This really is in the best interest of public health to get this cleaned up. And I know that um I'm sure you're not thrilled about it, but
>> I have and that's really not the that's not the issue that we're talking about here in >> the um >> the the problem is is that the longer this sits the more potential and My understanding is that people pass
through this lot. Kids >> they shouldn't be. >> That's trespass. Trespass. There's signs of >> but represented here tonight by ask 2008 to 2018. Please.
>> Before we get to that, >> as far as the bags go, the bags are are they're contractor's bags that they're built. As far as animals nesting in there, I don't see that. There's like glass and there's like So, it's it's definitely I don't want to say rubbish, but it's
it's certainly contractor CND stuff. Um, as far as the notice went, this is the you know, obviously we asked the hearing. I don't know what the notice was the other time you've had hearings on this. Did you indicate we have good records on that? I suspect you probably just put something on to say an update
is what I >> hear. Yes, that's true. Sir, how about this? >> Yeah. Right now, we're looking at what? A $450 fine in this matter. >> That's what it sounds like. Okay. What
if I was to make a motion that that if this matter is cleaned up within the next 10 days, there'll be no further fines issued because if she goes back up there tomorrow and inspects us again and finds it there, technically the clock's running,
>> right? So, if I was to make a motion, and I'm not guaranteeing that it would pass, to give you an additional 10 days to clean this thing up and get it off our desk and get it out of here. Do you think that would be a reasonable course
of action that you might be able to get him to take? >> I I'll make a motion that we grant 10 days and I was aborted. I'll make a motion that we grant five
days grace during which time because I know that the transfer station will be open over the next five days more than twice. Um additional five days and if it's done within that time frame there won't be any further fines. You pay the fine you
got and get out of here and be done with it. I make that motion. >> Second. >> Motion's made and seconded. Is there any further discussion on this before we ask for a vote? >> No. Good. All in favor? >> I >> I There you go, sir. You've got that
now. >> Thank you. >> You could take that and >> that's what I'd do. >> I um thank your conservation. >> Thank you very much. >> Choose carefully the hill on which you wish. >> Come on now. Five minutes.
>> Thank you. >> All right. from 2008 to 2019 what was in what was on those two lots were foundations for that were window smashed graffiti that's board of health issue >> Mr. No, you you've been treated very
fairly. Please. >> I really haven't been treated. >> Well, okay. In my opinion, you have. Please >> comply with this. Let's move it along. >> Thank you. >> Attorney, it's nice to meet you. I'm glad I do. >> Thank you, Dennis. >> Okay. Next.
>> Moving on. >> What part of you understand? >> Hold on. Let's just get through this agenda. >> Yeah, you health agents. Um well seeing how Zion have been annoying for last week um I don't have a lot to report I can tell
you that um I have been cleaning up today and we have already started to receive uh renewal permits. It's like amazing. This year is going swimmingly to start off with. But yes, we've we've
gotten a lot of septage haulers. Um, oh, and we got Republic's reporting for the quarter. Amazing. Yeah. So, that's that's happened. Um, there's been a few septics that have been finished up. I am still waiting to hear what the
interest rate is going to be on the new septic loan. Um, apparently there's still in discussions about this. As soon as I find it, I'll let you know. Um, but it does feel like uh some of the septic stuff starting to slow down a bit. I'm
assuming because of the change in weather. Um, but other than that, we're on schedule with inspections. There's we've received a couple of really weird complaints over the last um week. One to
do with the restaurant that when we come back, they wouldn't answer. Uh when we went in to do an inspection, the restaurant told us they're like, "Oh, you know, we had this person in the spring that said they had a spider." And
so we gave them all their money back. And they were in here recently and tried to say something else, but this time we didn't give the money back, so you're probably going to get a call and we're like, "Oh, that's probably where the call came from." But none of the violations that none of the accusations
um could be verified even remotely. Um inspection was great. So uh just things like um sort of a vindictive I didn't get my money back so I'm going to make a
complaint kind of thing. Um but other than that it's been remarkably quiet. >> Oh, you said the Q word. >> Yeah. I not I not but you know I'm sure that will last >> but at least um you know everything's caught up with
>> peaceful >> yes peaceful um the reclassification has been um approved by the for Lor's position um has been approved by the union and sent over to HR so it will
proceed from there um I am reviewing the budget with a fine tooth comb to see how things can be moved around. We do have some savings from the changing of the nurses because the pay grades are not the same which is
reflective of experience. So they're both they were both fair. They're just different. So we'll have a little bit of savings there that may be able to be moved into the pot that would go into Lor's position at this time. Oh, that's pretty much where
we're at with, you know, my report. Anybody got any questions? >> No. >> We're on a lab clinic, right? >> Yes. >> It's on Thursday, right? my but I'm speaking with um
CVS, the fellow that um organizes it and we've really been looking at how can we better utilize the CVS um immunization program they have going and we're going to I'm going to talk to the wreck
department and look at maybe um holding like an immunization clinic early in the summertime right after school or right before school for kids that are either going to summer camp or kids that need vaccinations to go back to school to do
like sort of a one-stop shop if it could be maybe at the rec center where kids are already there to try and make it easy for parents to really encourage people to make sure that they're up to date on stuff. So, as that proceeds,
I'll let you know. Um, in conjunction with CVS Health has secured toothbrushes and blast for the what's it called? Book and bag and treat treating >> book and treat book and treat with the
library. >> Yeah. So, we're um giving them toothbrushes and floss to give out at their book and treat >> um and promoting it as you know something through the health department
in conjunction with CVS for the donation. >> Oh, that's nice. >> So, um I am going to be attending legit terminator class in November. I finally got in that and I will be going to um
the final final piece of um housing inspection certification for the state and I think it's going to be at the end of the month. is still working off the dates and then Lori and I will be gone um
Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday of the first week and look at the ancient wave blueprints. >> What I'm going to suggest we do is to sign this on the back and then make a clean front that way you get it all signed. Okay.
>> Other sign the back. >> Copy. Yes. >> Okay. because it's just a threat you want to hung up. >> Oh, I guess that ship sailed. >> Yeah, >> I'll tell you it's it's surviving an
awful lot of stuff going on. >> I have um we need to review our minutes. I think it went with that clean >> second page.
>> Want to start over? Yeah, sign it. >> In the meantime, take a look at these minutes as I pass this around. Please accept the minutes of uh October 6 as presented. >> Second, please. >> I'd be
get a second. She did. >> Okay. Now, I'm going to send this down. It was all fake. >> We're not going to put it down. Just you want >> away with you. >> Okay. We had a motion on the minutes. Did Did it get a second? >> Yes, I did.
>> Okay. Any questions or reading or corrections? Anything? All in favor? >> I Okay, clear of that. We've done the health agency report. The next regular schedule meeting is November. Is that a three? Yes.
>> Thank you. And um is there anything else? Any other business? >> Welcome back, Joyce. I >> Oh, yeah. Welcome back. >> If there be no other business, I make a motion to adjourn.
>> Second. Yes. >> Are you all set? Did you meet with >> I did not. I will be reaching out. I thought he was going to reach out to me. He has not yet. So, I will reach out to him. Nothing else that I can think of. Anybody? No. Good. All in favor? I
>> Okay. Okay.