--------- That's the um April 22nd civil commissioners meeting. Elaine I Bill Watson I anybody any anybody on? No. Okay. Um just this is just to to
give out some more options on um the special assessments put together a spreadsheet with [Music] um different tabs and everything. Bottom line comes down
to we have 865 additional EIUS to sell. And right now we have 2,850 EUs currently and then we'll have additional 865 when the plants built out
and that gives us 3,715. Uh just the the first page is just showing that what the plan expansion and the leeching field debts are and behind that is the breakdown on how I got to that
um the plan expansion and the leeching fields and then um still pursuing to see if possibly we can use the 1.5 million to help draw down that over uh 10 15 years. Right. and uh use that to with
some of the debt. Um so that's what all this is. It's a lot it's you know and listening to apparently everybody's concerns about current sewer customers paying more for the leashing fields than future sewer customers.
started taking and again this can all be decided at the special um public hearing we're going to have but sure at the public hearing we're going to have but just to prepare us for that um just took the total total cost of the project now
that we know the total EIUS 3715 divided that by the cost of the project so current users and future would all be paying the same amount of money per EIU Um, and that would leave the current
sewer customers paying, let's see, the yearly debt is 413,642. account user customers would be paying 317,192 with futures paying 96,270 but they're all would be paying
$111 per EIU. So, it's just because there's 2,800 current users, their share of the total yearly debt would equates to more percentage wise than the future ones, but they're all paying the same amount of money. So, uh it's that's an
approach we can discuss at the public hearing. We'll wait for Brian to get back, but um we're looking at probably Thursday, May 15th, the public hearing uh 6:30 because there was some discussion last time about the time we
picked. We picked like 5:00. Yeah, but I'll check the phone. So that way Genie can get it in for next week's um newspaper and that'll give us the special assessment has to be based on um how many units each household has.
Correct. It can't be based on usage because you can't calculate what you my house uses 10 times more money than another house. you know, I'm still paying the same, you
know, better assessment, right? And the thing with the usage is that that can vary year to year. Yeah. A quarter to quarter. We can't No. No. Exactly. Exactly. And if you use more then you pay more obviously for the the treatment that
we get. I get it. So, but um we'll see what happens. Brian's working with DP on some stuff. So, okay, we'll see what all transpires, right?
But that's the gist of that. So, my big thing is just to put more information in front of everybody again, right? So, by the time we get to our public hearing, um we'll have different options and robust conversation. Um Brian, we're thinking
of the public hearing for the special assessments May 15th at 6:30. It's a Thursday night. That where Genie can get it in the newspaper for two weeks. Are we still presenting because I missed the last one? Are we still presenting
town meeting articles? Yes. The way that we were talked about before. Yeah. The leeching fields, we're still going to ask for oneird. Okay. Um if we want a handout, we can put a handout together. Genie can send it out to everybody for final and we can print it for town meeting. We'll just get the moderator's
approval on it. I have a couple questions. May 15th 6:30 6:30 hearing when it's automatically typed because you put the not a good thing.
Okay, I'm sorry. It's okay. That was it. Just we're just talking about public hearing and the number of EIUs that we can pretty much settle on that we're going to have at full capacity. And that's that's it really. And I heard this is working on that the
idea of using our in in the bank still on the table. Yes. The 1.6. No. So the presentation I guess, right? just gonna I gota figure we put together a
fact sheet and you know the facts are like you've said Brian no one has paid for the leeching fields because the developer built them at his own expense so the town never paid for leeching fields customers never paid for leeching
field just go down some facts right all buildings don't pay a betterment fee right so the entire town should be paying for that percentage right as they did in the anything. Right. Right. I mean the schools nobody knows. And this was on from day one.
This was from David was on the list from day one as the permanent solution to this build out treatment that's going to be coming across at least at least I have people that weren't here. Not that you weren't here guys but
completely fresh eyes see right there. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I found a conceptual map. from the late7s late that sorry the late the late 907 97 96 97 that shows the date of his
property on there you go that was that was everything was handed to the selectman to get the ball roll I think that's for the public to hear is very important it's just not we're making this up right I said nobody shows up the whole thing
up needed messing up just um to play this forward. If a town meeting the town votes for the one-third share of the leeching field debt for this year, does
that include or how does that play out with this eruation? Um I actually h the have if Tom pays one-third the sewer customers
would be paying $74 a year rather than 111 for EIU for this year for for going forward. Yeah. I see. So this this betterment right essentially or ideal is just the one year this
oneird the one correct contribution correct is for just this year correct so it would reduce it for this year. Well, that's a decision we'll have to make at the public hearing because once we set it, we're going to set it. But
this for the fiscal 26, we already have the funds to pay that debt. Yes, we can cover it by 26. So, in theory, we're a year ahead of that debt, right? Yeah. We're covering this
year's debt. Yes. And then whatever gets decided going forward on this will then be applied to 2027s. Correct. Uh so it's like we're always a year ahead. Yeah. So we do that the town if
the town was to to vote to take care of the one-third expense this year. You're saying this year's I guess all the stuff we're doing won't fly till next year anyway. So that'll just help us out with our current situation of funding this
internal. we we'll get $400,000. Well, okay. Without current users would be paying if they're paying $111 per
EIU in 26, we're going to collect $317,000. the other 96,000 we were talking about possibly septage revenue for the shortfall and all that but but so we'd be getting
317,000 in FY26 that won't be used until 27 correct so in 27 we're going to if we stay with 111 e even though the 74 whichever way
it is we stay consistent with the same special assessment. Even if the town doesn't vote it the second year, because we would have to have an article every year asking for the appropriation, we still have
$317,000 towards the debt of 413 and continuing to take in more revenue from the current, we'd have 317 in the bank. Yeah. for
FY26 funds. Yeah. Then we get to FY27. We still have the 307 317 in the bank. Yeah. And we're going to collect another 317, right? In 26 or 27 and then 27 for 20, right?
Okay. Yep. I'll I'll do that out. But that I think we're I don't want to say we'll be fine without the one-third because I I I people hear that oh you don't need the money. Well, it's not needing it's the
whole thought process. But um I think because we're collecting the money in 26 that isn't going to be utilized till 27. We're going to be a year ahead of the pay of the debt
needing to be paid. We'll have we should have money in the bank every year and by then we should be able to buy at least three or four years if not
more. I'll play it out. Um and by then the water moratorum the the well should be built. Correct. Things will start happening. Yeah. If nothing happens between now and then anyway I imagine Right.
Right. Right. So yeah, I expect that question come up. If the town votes, how would that affect betterment side? But that'll be more for our meeting in May. Yes. Than a town meeting discussion. Right.
That's another we final. We did we did a better when we did the rates rates. suggested finalized a better adjusted thing. Are we going to try to nail down
something? Yeah, that's where we get into the 40. I was I happen to be in [Music] sandwich one house away. So I said I said if you need it, I'll I'll get
involved with that too. They want to sew it. Yeah, they want this whole neighborhood wants to s. So anyways, the number that's what I'm going to the number is at 54,000. That's a realistic number. I've been I'm really glad you showed me
because it does reflect in many ways what the real cost is. Yeah. And we've always said I'm just going to pay it and that's how you pay it. So it's not it shouldn't be a surprise. Yeah. Unfortunately the world is you know all these escalation things are
under the other and that's multiple communities it's not just us you know but but even but that source system itself I think how is tying into shadow source system so there's it's not just a town by town
it's more you know geographic area how close they are you know what access they have to a treatment so is that a new um approach, Brian, that um towns can regionalize a sewer system. Oh, that's
what everybody's doing. That's the way. Yeah. I mean, it's quite a few communities have been doing too because you've got you have to I mean Abington Rockman got way as its own. Okay.
Think of it. MW goes from Boston all the way out to frame beyond Framingham all the way to Nic Firmingham Welsley. Really? Yeah. Oh, I thought they were just Boston. And they go all the way to Lyn where another regional linus regional plant up there. Okay. And
on the southshore, Henry goes all the way down to Wayne. It's huge. It flies a two billion gallon a day treatment plant. Boston was was involved with this. They're stupid. NBC they kept trying to defer the pre,
you know, do it right. Yeah. You know, until 199 Boston collected the sewage into a tank, waited for the tide to go out in the top while the har was it was a third world
country into the 21st century until we spent a bazillion dollars. Now it's all fixed, you know, but the regionalization, it's the only way to go. Situ has its own, but they only have onethird of the town. Mash has one half the town. actually has nothing and they're going to be paying, you know,
Plymouth only has one third of the town, not even one, but population wise, it's one third. Pine Hills is going to treat plant. Yeah. Which is 150,000 gallons a day. It's a it's actually 350,000 big. So, this is half as big as that. Then the Cape has been fighting this all and
now they're through the nose. But to answer your question, that's the only way the economics really works because trying to find a place to discharge this in Massachusetts, you can't have a what makes Chattam work is they have one of the few remaining surface water
discharge students. You can't discharge to an ocean by law. Now Boston had a pre-existing one. Sus had a pre-existing one. Mosfield did. Situate did. Um but what we did what I did in situate we ra ratcheted up the discharge so it's point
two 2.5 mg per liter of nitrogen we did a whole base wow see so it's all about nitrogen it's all about but that's how you mash qualess has their own s they basically
said we did our job you're on your own and they have green ponds They're color your shirt starting in about a month every not every pond almost all of them because of the septage from all the either the small sewage treatment plants that aren't run properly because I fixed two of them
right that's why I know that and all the septic systems and ces that are in all the cottages that are still in you and that's possible they now spreading out but it's you don't solution you can't afford to devel
development plan. That's why Chadam, everything's going to Chadam. They had their own sourc plant. So, they're just in lodging one bringing our chin in, bringing rooster in that leeching fields become that much more valuable. I was so adamant that treat we got to get those
leeching place to put it. Yeah. And as Dave knows down in the Cape, they changed all their modeling. And the problem is they can't they can't find enough land to get the sewage in the ground and have the mounding effect not
be prohibitive because it starts to affect wells that people have in the you know systems. It's it's it's we have I'm telling you K is so far ahead what we did. It's amazing and I wish more people
appreciated that I'm talking right it's so crazy that things come full circle. When I was in college, there was a professor I had who were very involved with politics and he was saying because
of the limestone layer all the septage getting down and it's not it's just kind of sitting in a giant bathtub. So all the wells that were getting cold and stuff, they're going to start failing and they might even have to come off Cape for fresh water. Oh wow. So that's
why it's so important for these treatment plants to come in play because that's great. you want to help out with their water situation. And that was just a few years ago, but still 1992 was a time. Yeah, that was
Wow. with gray hair. You go on and on. Yeah. So, yeah, it all comes around. It's been circle. and Kingston is way ahead even though we have this, you know, financial deficit for paying for some of this stuff. It's
um it's something that'll last the community for at least the next 20 30 years. I've said this in public this I've said this in public that this treatment plan isn't what the what Kingston really needs. Oh, I would agree with this plan
we just talked about has civil like Winggate all those street plants are up there in the directly adjacent to Silver Lake major water supply in the watershed headworks of the Jones River. We're going to be all put into one plant that the town would run
properly and discharge to the sand that's up there that also take in all that area that has other failing systems. But then you got I wait kicking it came down the road and they where they going to put it. Oh, that's why I was asking
them on their own. Yeah, on their own. If they try to find a place to put a discharge, there's no place. Everything they have that's woods is also their drinking water supply. Okay. So, they can't put the treatment there. They can't put the dishes there. They can't put in the house because that doesn't
sell anything. And about the only place left that has to say we have it. I mean, you see how big the leeching is up there, right? You're not talking the whole thing. Find 16 acres and that's for us. That's what he's looking at. Three times that try to find three times that size,
you know, three football fields of sand that's 20 30 ft that thick to discharge treated waste water at that level. And according to the math on this, we have 865 additional ERUs. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, that's not a
whole lot. No, it isn't. Look at, you know, we're at 2815 and there's only 865 left. Yeah. And that's with um us having to find revenue to pay debt. So like like you say all the time,
we're open for business. Yeah. You know, I mean, if if water's an issue, then crossing the line doesn't seem to be unheard of nowadays. Part of the effort that Aaron's doing along with associated with um financial side of what we're doing. It's
also to find out confirm some of those numbers, you know, and then how many are on we start adding up. She's counting all the ones on South Street, you know, on Elm Street. Yeah. How many houses are there? How many might be added to that? You know, it could be lots that get subdivided in the future. Yeah, we have
to take our capacity and add it take it away from that 865, right? And I'm telling you, count this, go to that map that we did, you know, that's updated. There's like 300 on that whole area. It's like a mile and a half long. And that was set aside to protect those
wells. And if there were vacant lots and those are not used, they better jump off before it's not available and not build right more than likely. Yeah. You can't
tie into the either that or when we get down to where we actually have the real numbers. I mean, I know you did the adjustment of it's not 330, you know, 10 bedroom. It's actually that water the water people think 50 50 is the optimum. It's actually 60 was a real number. So
I've always used 60. So that gives us some more wiggle room. But we won't know that till we get these guys hooked up. We get, you know, table play. The flow doesn't stay steady. You know, you have Super Bowl Sunday, you got, you know,
goes like this. But so that's what we got to think about. We only have to think about it seriously as we get closer to the end. But we have 300,000 gallons. 300,000 town capacity above the permit which is
another really important thing and I like David all the time but I mean that's at least we have thought about the safety factors and that put the money in the bank next phase exactly
exactly so yeah the the hearing on the the 15th would be setting the special assessment all the leeching fields and determining a um
current number for anybody who would be buying the additional capacity for the 825 EIUS and and that's that's right when Aaron's done we can have a more concrete number but that's what we've
got based on everything we know today what we currently sell 22 was the last one. 22,000. Yeah. If you look at the um which is it? This one right here. This one shows that
the plan expansion is 22,000 and the leeching fields is 22,000. He had the admin fees for another half a million. and the interest of 800 million. Both projects combined
is approximately $32 million. So if you divide that by the remaining EIUS, it could be in the ballpark of 36 just to pay the debt with no uh room for capital funds going
forward. So that 36 is more of a starting point than an ending point, right? then that's well at some point soon that's a new that's a new betterment for for so that at least gives us some place to
start the discussion and to give you perspective I think Brian touched on this but the numbers around 50,000 when you go on the cake to sign on to sew system 51900
is it 50,900 for how and I think that project was like over $60 million their project and to go at 36 you're getting I mean quite a discount considering a lot of our stuff is already set in place a few years ago and
that's it I mean we've been very fortunate to get the SRF loans at 2% interest the mass works grants for $4.5 million I mean we I mean state's been very good to us I mean considering We've always been ahead of everybody,
you know, shovel on the ground. Exactly. And and CDM was big part of that, too, because now these projects are unaffordable. I just want to go back to something Dave said, you're right. If you look bare bones it that 36, right, just a bare
bones, what how the water management act in those in the way we do, you have to think about it this way. Everybody coming into the facility you get we have our base core
rockina nuclear they got a good deal really because we had a lot of money coming from the state. Yeah. And we had a 13 pound. But all the other people come in, they are required the logic. It makes a lot of sense when you think
about it. They are paying for the capitalization, the improvement of the treatment plants they already have been paid for. The cost of those is escalating. the 22,000 paid down here, but the cost of those and to maintain them and repair them, not through on
money, through capital veter money goes up. So, we're actually that's why you take that 36, which is the starting point, right? And you add on to that, what do we need to put in the bank so that you're not coming to the board begging for money? No, it's right there.
That's the way it's supposed to be. And we don't go back to the users because we've done the fair thing of capturing it as we grow. When we get done and mature then it's it self sustains. You have no more bed coming in but the rates
now become floating number to fill in that you know but it's it when you talk to the customer the new buyers it's a new you can't make us do that. That's the first question. That's the first thing. No no no this is how it works. You know, it's
like it's like buying a car in a way. You know, you you have to do the maintenance, you got to do all this stuff, then you sell it and you still make some money off it, but it's appreciated. You want a brand new car, have it run the same way, you got to pay a lot more money. It's kind of the same logic. You're not selling an old car,
you're getting a new car. And these people coming into a car, a treatment plant that we've maintained as a new functioning thing. So, they got to pay for it. We're using the the car analogy, a new car is easily 50,000 and that only lasts you a few years. But I mean, even even with the
plan expansion, we've been very lucky to have the the uh SBS completely rebuilt at the cost of the project. I mean, what new roof, right? HVAC units. I ran the uh 12 15,000 gallon small
waste water treatment plant unit for the west in Weston for private school that was right on the native power line. Western does not have sewer. Everybody's on separate system, believe it or not. That's how they Yeah,
I hear that's how people do it. It's a big It's not very It's not really a hidden thing. That's how they do. They have water um so I took over the plant without compliance. They were getting $30,000 a month
fees penalties. took it over, fixed it, got it running, and I said, you know, not that I didn't want to work for you guys, but the block sewers right there. So I said, I mean, literally on the property, they had sewer. They didn't
right there. They own the whole building, but they couldn't tie in. They investigated first. So I went back and I knew all the people at NWA. I went to the rate increases. They said, "How do we how do we come up with a way to do this?" And through about a year's
process, um the they paid us about I'm going to say 90,000 a year to run that plant with my staff, which is pretty cheap for the city and keep them in compliance. So
went through the whole process and this all back to the water management act and the intervas transfer act and a bunch of other acts. But all the communities have been on the NWA system. They just got re they just built a $2 billion treatment plant. They just upgraded and got all the leaks out of their system. They just
did all this money. Get that school into that system was $14 million just for the right not done anything yet. Just for the right pay off all the other communities who
had been paying in for decades into the system. And they were right. I mean, why we pay all this stuff up front? Then you got an easy you got a pass to come in here. You're going to add more flow. You're going to have to have relief sewers because now the sewers up. No, you pay into the kitty. So then we have to go for a bigger sewer line or relief
sewer over here. It's already there. You paid into it. Then they had to go and figure out how to get rid of infiltrate info in the town of Nic. Oh jeez. That was all added on top of the 14 million. I think it was 14 million. But it was, you know, but in the long run they got
rid of $100,000 or 90,000 a year going forward. All the operation and maintenance cost of the thing and it fall out of place to buy build a new plant was 2 million. But that's that's the way these things go. So everything I do is in context. The
public gets the context because argu short stories. God, my dad used to say that all the time. They call you short stories. So, Genie will get a hand out out here for next
couple of days and provide whatever input and we'll run it by the moderator. Um, this is good. This is good. Any other things? We should the um meeting with legal
m you did. No, the we're in the schedule of what's coming up. Oh, April 30th, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's next Monday, right? Next Wednesday. Oh, Wednesday. Yeah, I got something. I I forgot about that.
Yeah. Refresh. So, um the whole discussion is supposed to be based on the whole special assessment. Okay. Factors. Uh I was in on a meeting the other day and it involved just making sure that
the verb verbiage for the betterments I mean so the uh articles for town meeting were all agreed to um some of the the stuff we're doing this year on our articles
written differently from prior years. So Jay was fine with all that, but also what came up was the special assessments and um it was decided that we should probably meet with Jay and speak with
them directly. So I set up a meeting for April 30th. Uh and I believe that's at 4:00 and that's here. So one of the concerns that popped up during that meeting was the
percentage that would be applied and how it would be applied to current use future users on the systems of a reaching field so that it's fair for current users that they're not covering the whole uh expense and then obviously
a way to charge future users. So, so there on the percentages and I think that's where we're kind of leaning towards more based on how many erus the legion field is designed for and then dividing
it by the whole number of potential use that we will pull. Yeah. Rather than just um looking at what we currently have, it's just right like you said planted full capacity. This is what everybody would
pay. It doesn't matter if you're current user or a future user, it's the same price. And that's somewhat in your numbers. Yeah. Yeah. That's what triggered me to put this at I'm sorry, what time? 4:00. 4:00.
Yeah. Yeah. We covered that. be hitting in the next couple of weeks. Yeah. Oh, kick kicking off with tile meeting. When is what date? Saturday. This Saturday 9:00. Yeah.
Just um I've continued to work with the water department water for the last two weeks since we met. They seem to be receptive to the concept. I can't say that. Sorry. I think
um it's a the state will allow it. What I do know is that they this was in the meeting I had t Thursday last Thursday that was meant to be a technical meeting to try to figure out how to help the water
department understand that they really had they didn't have the dilemma they think they have. But what I was told at that meeting is based on a request from town council for an opinion a moratorum that it would
be inadvisable by the by the town council based on a question that was asked of him and so I'm followed up try to clarify that and
inform members for the law of commission and I just left the meeting in which that decision was confirmed and I will continue to work with DP to help the water department get out of
this hole to the best of my ability. I'll leave it at that. Okay. And with that then, unless somebody has anything else, I'll make a motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor? Part: 2
Good afternoon. It's Tuesday, April 22nd at 5:24 p.m. I'd like to call the board water commission meeting to order. This order of business will be to approve the minutes of March 24 and April 8th. Do I have a motion on March
24? How is there a time for all move to approve events? Moved in second to approve March 24th. Do I hear a second on April 8th? Second.
Move second. So voted to approve April 8th meeting as well. First appointment for tonight is Chris Burger. Good afternoon. All right. Good afternoon. Thank you. So, um we have some updates on the main street water
main project. Um the two engine paperwork has begun. Um we met on April 8th as you know we the boards met since then or that day. After that meeting I
provided some meeting notes with um a mockup of drawings with the paving limits. So highlighted out gave here do this some notes based on our discussion. So everyone's clear with what needs to
be done and I um delivered a copy of those a fulls size set. Um so Mitch has a set so reference when he's over there and everybody else go a picture of markup. We had a check-in meeting on
last Thursday the 17th. Um so you know just to touch base about weather any other issues um and things look promising. So each day the weather seems really close. So their plan was to mill
do the do the milling yesterday and then today which they did tomorrow they'll raise structures and then Thursday pave on the um south side of the Jones River down you know where the school is. And then
Friday will be for the uh they're using the traffic management plan that we had used last year for water works with um diverting traffic to the school property. Um so
after you know just a brief communication thing yesterday morning um that got resolved before they got through that portion that's up by Cancun that you can't use a detour around anyway. Um so that detour got in place
and everybody was back on board with what needed to be done. Um they haven't done a ramp closure yet. They didn't need to do that yesterday for the the milling work. they were able to stagger it with having the two ramps there. Um,
but they do plan on using that Thursday morning. Um, couple things came up today once they did the mill work. There's um the landing road apron
um is not very thick with the pavement, the existing pavement. So once they milled it, they could actually see the gravel. Um, so there was only a couple inches there. So yes, but no. So in the permit they
managed to sneak in anything that comes up within the road is you. Even if it's our pre-existing issue, you have to fix it. Yeah. Um so they're requiring an extra um approximately 50 feet by seven
feet um by 5 in of pavement. So then they'll have a total of seven inches. So that's I think that'll approximately be like $4,000 extra. So it's still within the contingency, but the contingency is
getting pretty small. It's maybe 10,000 right now. Um, so the other issue that popped up was there's a drain structure that was paved over also at Pling Road and again
a DOT issue but since it's part of this project they managed to get you know um so fortunately it seems like it's just going to be replace a few courses and uh place a new frame cover so it'll be
accessible won't be paid over roofs. So, the highway department has a spare frame and cover to provide and Mitch and the guys are going to do the courses to raise it tomorrow morning. Um, otherwise that would be a 6
to10,000 change order from CC. In hindsight, it does make sense come across something like that. come across a paving and it's that from what it should be that somebody's got to pay for the fact that we're doing the work. You know, yeah, maybe at some
point, you know, we could go to and get a transfer or capital funds, but you know, if we've got the money, we might as well spend it, do it right, and bring the structures up. It wasn't, you know, we didn't do it, but you know, we've got to
repair it anyway. We didn't do it, but we are. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. That's pretty much it. Yeah. And as long as there's still that the budget left in that oper that's great to have a better end product that's going to hold up better
long term. Um so and then at the once they're all done with all that, there'll be some list items to do and Z repairs. Some sidewalk work as well. They're doing the sidewalk work as part of this.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Do they expect to be finished with the paving for Friday? Um not before Friday or Friday. Yeah, by Friday. It seems like it. Yeah, because I hate to think of Monday anybody there Monday. Today was supposed to be a bad weather day. So
they trying to get this extra 5 in repair between today and tomorrow. Um, so if that's the case and they've made it through all the milling so that's
that's right. So it should and I mean if anything they'll make it almost all the way where there would just be like another day but just no other way the fact that they can start when they want to start go through
the whole day. buses and everything. So, cooperation from the state and cooperation from the local police and fire was very important. Very much so. Thank you on top of it. Yes. Welcome. Yeah, it was
good. And fortunately, um, yeah, the highway has been very highway department's been very helpful past few days with checking asking if they can help with just, you know, making calls or resolves issues where Chris is So
that's been John Turner has been very helpful. Glad to hear that. I hope anybody that's on Zoom is listening that in fact highway and the water department have been working hand in hand. So that's it for the few projects. We
have any questions. Oh, we uh the other thing sorry was the the state had requests required CC and Lawrence Lynch to do to zero out or ramp the transition points um for the billing which they hadn't
done yesterday. So um DOT called them on it today. They should be doing that. So the next rest of the day and tomorrow like that. Yeah, there will still be some bumps with the structures once those get raised, but um at least the
transition to the milling out of the milling. There still should be some vertical transition um as the new pavement meets the old pavement just so that when they they roll it, it cools and it becomes a smooth transition. Yes,
that's right. They'll have to so on um Thursday before they do the paving um they do have to do a little bit extra to get those extents. So there will be some more of that. So like what you're talking about
there will be [Music] more to it. Um so the next thing is the the new well project and uh the site that sitewalk with Mar services did occur to show them
the test wells the existing test wells and the update from Kleinfelder was um that they've gotten all their sub consultants under contract. So that's Mar services and the surveyor. He's just they're waiting to
hear back from Mar Services on the schedule. They're hoping to mobilize for the pump test in the next week or two. The survey is ready to go and they're just waiting on a crew to free up from another job. They have a tenative start date of Friday, but that change depending on how their current job plans
out. So maybe next um not that long. They're still they should be able to fly some of it where there it's not a full week cover yet. There's you know the waves are pretty small looking around out here. Um that was their hope to be able to fly a bunch of it to get some of the survey done
that way which would help expedite it. Um so it's exact time of field work. I wouldn't think it need more than a week. They should have conf survey tomorrow or
Thursday. Once all that fieldwork scheduled on the way, they're going to shift their entrance to developing framework for the site exam and p test proposal for D and begin preparing what they can with
the data that they have. And we've also set up every other week after meetings with the team. So I propose we do those Monday afternoons. So some of those will line up so they're right before this meeting. Sometimes we might get off
schedule a certain point, but we have our other week is helpful just to have remote meeting where the next day you absolutely date. Yeah. Yeah. say over the next two weeks, here's what our plan is. We're going to
get done so keep everything keep everybody informed. The other thing with that project is still tracking that u one-stop community growth um grant
application. The grant application period is from May 5th through June 4th. And like we talked about at the last meeting, to have a viable application, we would need a
development partner. And I don't know if Chris had a chance to talk [Music] to Thank you. before he left, but we'll have a little bit of time next week to do that.
ask before the 5th there's a window of opportunity if we have questions for the onetop program people they'll talk to you once the grant application can't talk
to so that's still there be able to do it this well it seems like it was not be wouldn't be quite as successful this cycle because we don't have
a power court and with just the contract time that we might not be able to comply with what they're looking for for that. Every battery I own has died today. I must have changed three different things on the walls.
Mark, mute. Mute, please. Oops. Thanks more a um learning experience and the last time we talked to you about it wouldn't be vertical construction would be ineligible. So it would be the
the well itself that would be installed constructed under a chapter 30 project and whatever else with that the site work there'll be some you know the road an access road to get in there that we
could have as a separate how far is I'm not sure the distance is a good way though it'll be a decent amount of access roads. Yep. That and there'll be there's tree clearing work to be done. There might be
some site work right around the well, you know, just to make the well, you know, accessible to build the building. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But but until such time they've had a chance to do the survey and do the pump test so that we
know exactly where the well's going to be. You really can't stop the vertical construction right for the well and you know you can't do the well you can't do the building can't do the building until you know where the well's going. Exactly. Yeah. And given the
the schedule that we have, we won't be ready to even start the well for another year anyway because of the permitting involved, the test work and then the permitting work that's involved. So that's why the one stop print this year
doesn't make as much sense. But will we wind up though in the right place next year? Yeah. Come comes along again. It's still worth talking about. I don't know what Chris actually got a chance to talk about last week, but I was under the impression that we weren't
doing it this round and that's what may have been his assumption. Okay. Based on our last conversation. Um but yeah, it'd be worth just talking to her about because um I know he's definitely talked about it. I just don't know if it was after
our last meeting. Okay. So yeah, when the year goes by so fast, you know, sometimes it takes some time to get all the all the Exactly. Uh, next on the list is the
the moratorum discussion update. We had our separate little subcommittee meeting on last Thursday, April 17th. I had given you guys two things
for the packet. One was the hand out with the graph and one was the handout with this Q&A based on some of the questions that we knew were being thrown out there about the moratorum and um you know
give some more information with regards to some misinformation that I was hearing. So, I'd like to just run through those with you. Sure. The first question was, you know, what is the real need for a new water supply
and why is a water service moratorium necessary? Now, mass D requires the public water suppliers be capable of supplying the max day demand with the largest source offline or out of service. If a public water supplier cannot meet this requirement and the
large source is out of service, the risk is the available supply will not keep up with demand and the system could run out of water causing a water supply emergency and risking public health. For Kingston, this threshold is 2.484 million gallons per day. The maximum day
demand for the Kingston water department has exceeded this threshold since 2014, which is why the search for the new well started um when it did and trying to get the How much does our water demand increase
in the summer? Um before 2022, the average day demand was about 1.49 million gallons per day. During a during 2022, the average day demand increased to 1.6 million gallons per day in part due to an increase in the unaccountable
water that we'll talk about more in a second. From 2014 through 2023, the maximum day demand has ranged from 2.65 to 3.06 million gallons per day. The highest maximum day demand during that
time period was in 2020 when the unaccountable water was 11% and mass DP's goal is 10% or less. For Kingston, the maximum day demand is about two times the average day. Will reducing the unaccountable
water eliminate the need for a new water supply? The unaccountable water increased in 2022 to 19% and then in 2023 to 22%. While reducing the unaccountable water would help reduce the maximum day demand
uh this alone is not enough to decrease it below the mass DP required threshold. For example, in 2016 the unaccountable water was only 6% and the max day demand was 3.02 million gallons per day which
still exceeded the mass D required threshold by about.5 million gallons per day. Then in 2023, the unaccountable water was 22% and the max day demand was only 2.69 million gallons per day. So um
again that's in 2016 unaccountable water is 6% max day 3.02 and then in 2023 unaccountable water went up to 22% but the max day was less than in 2016 at 2.69. So the max day demand is more
impacted by weather than on a particle water. 2016 was a particularly drying year, more so than we've seen even in the recent years. In 2024, Kingston Water Department was able to reduce the
unaccountable water to 17% by repairing leaks and adjusting the flow rate of water quality feeders. These repairs were performed during 2024. So the the unaccountable water might be lower after benefiting from a whole year of having those repairs in
place during 2025. Any estimate how much lower or is that too much? How much lower than 17%? I'm not sure. Wait and see. Yeah, probably. Yeah, I don't know. only say, but we'd have to look at when
it was done, whether repairs were done. We've done a pretty extensive um WY investigation. Yeah. Yeah. There could still be others. So, the way that um the water services are in New England, they're mostly in
people's yards and buried. So, they're not accessible to listen on every single water service. like you know the mainline gates are in the road and as long as they're not paved over when they do the listening they can get right on top of the
box or open up the box and listen inside and hear what's going on with the services unless there's if there's a leak that's close to where the mainline detail is they can hear if there's a service leak but otherwise it'll be too
far down the Especially with there being mostly AC pipe and PVC pipe doesn't travel. It takes a rate payer to call and say there's water that shouldn't be here. Yeah. Because otherwise we don't really have
short of like digging up on their side. Right. Again, you continue though don't um with the the testing to find out whether we have leaks on the main line because they may not be a leak today, but there may
be a link tomorrow. It might not even be leaks. It might be um related to maybe older meters homes that are not registering correctly or or all of the radio reads that we still have like 75 radios out
there that we've been slowly trying to dig down to get converted if those aren't being read or estimated accurately. Yeah, there can be like those kind of paper losses. Yeah. And everything I've ever heard since I've been a water commissioner is u
meters never over report, they under report. Right. Which which so if we have a number of meters under reporting this potentially where a lot of your unacountable water is. Yeah. The other thing you have and it's something that we need to get to recognize happens that
you were the fire department that regularly, you know, trains and part of the training is to run, you know, their equipment, you know, with water going through, you know, the hoses and out the pipes. I think that's not me. That's not me. It's not me, but um Chris does a
pretty good job of knowing when that's happening, but you can't really assess the volume of how much water. No, but if you figure out what the downs per minute is and how long it was that
that 10% it's all part of that. Yeah. Is there possibly someone poaching? No one's really do that. Yeah. I mean there is that potential of theft where someone might have tapped before the meter to
save water or they're swimming off the hydrant specialized equipment and things like that. So it's not like it's likely should be widespread not like the average Joe can do swimming pool people in town. There's some you know some communities have
had swimming pool people or um lawn service people Yeah. going up the hydro zone. But whatever, it's not going to be That's not% That's not 70%. No. And it's a fraction
of a percent. Yeah. Okay. So, but yes, doction is good and we can do a um kind of like a little pilot analysis of testing some of getting on and listening at some of the services, you know, picking a spot where Chris knows we get
a lot of leaks in this area. So let's uncover every water service in this area town and listen on some days. That's some like effort to that. So um you know it's easy enough to get a weak
detection crew in and they can do the listening pretty quickly. But if you know they have to stop and find and dig up all the services slows them right down. But it also takes a lot of effort away from your guys doing other things. So that's something that needs So you
got to decide whether there's there's enough lost water found to justify the expense in the effort. Yeah, exactly. And I imagine that depends. So that's definitely something that would have to be looked at and properly budgeted for and that's that kind of cost is not in
the current fiscal year like the coming fiscal year budget. That would be something we'd have to work out and say we plan for that the next fiscal year. I guess if we don't see um a significant gain um on accountable
water if we have a full year of the then we got to think of a plan B that's going to be more more aggressive because it's an issue with D. It's definitely an issue with us and it's an issue with um there's some water selectment about how
much water loss we we how much unaccountable water doesn't necessarily mean they're leaks because I think the issue of the um meters is I don't know if that's a solvable problem you're not certainly not going to go out and replace all the meters that wouldn't
even come close to you could probably pull some of the older meters in town putting new ones in test those make sure and you know they they've done repairs to the the line bleeders and tried to reduce the the amount of water that's
coming out of those bleeders. But the only way that we can really solve the bleeder problem is to make sure that each and every one of those as we as the department goes forward is to try to reduce any of those dead ends and create
basically the loop. Once you create the loop, then you will make I most of fact I can't remember um being being involved in a project with those later at the end of it. We've been done a very good job. There been a there's
been a few but there aren't many and we try to make sure if it really makes sense and that it gets loop and now we're even going to the extent further where we're requiring developers to loop almost within their own development and
going far enough out so the looping connections are far enough away. loops and not just lollipop. Yeah. I came from a number of discussions that had over the years with contractors like you got to have them
separated by enough to pick it with right. Yeah. So, but in all those efforts um still be good to keep you know we can talk about that over the summer and the winter for the coming planning budget for the next fiscal year. Not the coming one the one after
that. Um because we might want to just have some funds plan on having those funds available because you won't find out about 2025 until after that budget planning process is started. But in any case, reducing that
unaccountable water will help to reduce your annual average day. Um and that number has increased over the water management act permit authorized number. But that's not why the moratorum was put in place. So it is a good thing to do but it's a separate issue from the math
stage. It's not enough of a savings. No no it's Yeah because even before when you were only 6% on a pound of water the max day was up beyond it. Yep. Um so the
other question can the wells be pumped at higher flow rates until the new well is online? The construction of the wells is designed based on the safety of the flow rate. The gravel pack material and the screens resize based on safe yield. Increasing the pumping rate risk
disrupting the gravel path and the screen by pulling in fines that would plug the gravel path and screen. This would decrease the pumping output of the wells and require replacement of the well. Given the high risk of ruining a critical water supply asset, over
pumping of the wells should not be done. It may be possible to obtain additional yield from a well field through installation of a satellite well. A hydrogeeologist would need to evaluate the potential to withdraw additional water from the well field. This would
involve test well work and firming with source approval process to obtain a permit allowing for the increased water with the well field. Kind of similar to what we're doing well. It's not a time savings. not a time savings, but it is
something to keep in mind where we don't have as many um sites for brand new wells. That would be something that could be explored down the road. Can we get water from a neighboring water system? The potential to get water from a neighboring water system was
explored in 2024. The town has emergency interconnections uh non-metered hard pipe and or hydro to hydrant with Dbury Plymouth and Pimple. Dex stated that they could only supply a small area of Kingston for a short-term emergency up to one week during summer
and not during the July 4th week. The volume of supply to address Kingston's max day demand deficit would not be possible. Clement stated that they may be able to supply water to Kingston from the town's center pressure zone. However, Plymouth was not optimistic
about this possibility and would need more investigation since Plymouth has a supply deficit in the West Plymouth pressure zone and plans to construct a 550 gall per minute booster pump station to transfer water from the town center pressure zone to the west Plymouth
pressure zone to address that supply deficit. Then and Prebrook stated that they don't have additional supply by Kingston at this time. They also do not meet the mass D requirement to supply the mass
data source offline and PRO is working on installing a new well themselves. Are they restricting any sort of new connections? I don't know. It should also be noted that the uh way
Plymouth treats their units of water is substantially different what we do. You want to mix you don't want to really and then to some degree that's the same thing with ducting. I believe Dutch's
had some PE pas problems with some of their wells and they're trying to address that. You know, at this point, we do not have any cheap gas problems on any of the wells that we have. So, to we want to make sure that we're careful not to bring in something that could
contaminate something that we already have been very stringent on how we handle it. The last issue was uh would reducing our water use get us in compliance with mass D requirement? uh reducing Hawaii use during the
growing season of May through September may get the max day demand below the mass D of 2.484 million gallons a day. The max day demand significantly impacted by the amount of outdoor water use. Dry periods during May through September period result in increased
demand. The restrictions placed to date on outdoor water use have not resulted in a significant decrease in the max they demand. The odd even water use restrictions have implemented each summer for the past several years. Um, a
complete ban on all non-essential outwater use may reduce the max demand. However, compliance would be difficult to achieve. So, an approximate reduction in the demand could not be estimated at this 90day forecast is for above normal
precipitation. We can hope for that. Yeah. Right. So, um that's what in summary we we talked about those not in that direct order, but we talked about those as part of the uh committee
meeting held last week. I'll leave that with you. I know you guys get some of those questions quite frequently. So, you have that in your pocket. you'll be able to pull that list right and say it is useful.
You can Google it too if you want. The other thing we probably should do is make sure that you know this discuss these discussion items before that that so that Keith has it and so each of the so on the website would you like me to
put on the website? Why don't you put on the website so that each and every person has it any any citizen could could see what we're doing. Yeah. But also why we're not doing what they want us to do. Well, you know, besides putting it on the website, they actually
send hard copies to those that that may want to have it readily at hand at hand at any time. That would be val administrator and Maybe we should put on the future agenda item to revis
revisit the watering ban. Maybe it's on this agenda. It's on this agenda already. It's that time. Yes. Okay, good. Um I think we'd be remissed not to have a full band out there with everything that's going on right now. Again, I've
never been a long guy, so it's not sacred tech ground for me. But historically, we've put in a water restriction on even takes a test from May through September.
If you wait until we get to it. Okay. A recommendation from Okay. Okay. Very good. Yeah. Okay. So my next item is the the consumer confidence report draft. I move that we accept the consumer
confidence report for 2024 as presented last week. [Music] I couldn't even understand always question. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You never know differentend. Okay. Do you want me to give you Chris's
update? Why don't you? Okay. So, shut up. Program update is going well. Everything's coming in. Very pleased with that. Uh we're I told you last week we were at like or two weeks ago we were at like a 50% collection rate. It's jumped up to about 71.
So, and that's that includes a new group that just went out today. So, obviously that's included in that. So, right. So there's only 29% and many of them were from today. Correct. Okay. So that's very good. Yeah. So I'm happy with that.
Um Chris did the DP san survey last week. Uh they didn't d us on anything. There were some recommendations that were made. Um and he went and made sure that the recommendations that he took in he implemented immediately before he went
on vacation. So that should be all good. Do they send like a full report? Yes. Um so that that went well. No violations. Uh quarterly rates of June bills will be done next week beginning on the 30th. So
I feel like we just got done with the bill cycle that's scheduled doing the um past bills. Yeah. Um, no town meeting is this Saturday at KIS beginning at 9:00 am and all town employees who live in Kingston are
encouraged to attend. I was asked to share that. Uh, Kristen already talked about the site visit with Kleinfelder. Chris was out there with them walking the property on April 9th. And let's talk about the water
restriction in that short order. There's um a thing in your packet from Mass D. It's probably I think I might have stuck it at the end. Y So we are in the southeast region which
is in a level one mild drought for all public water systems. They're recommending all non-essential outdoor water use is restricted to one day a week before 9 and after 5. So that is definitely different than what we've had
in the past. We don't have any signage out back to reflect that. So if you want to do that, we have to order some. Um but that's what they're recommending now. We have complete ban signage. One day they're talking about one day.
One day a week one day for everybody or one day for one day one day per week for everybody. It doesn't make sense. It said it. It's right there. It just doesn't make sense. And I I think we need to look at what we've done in the past, which is, you know, odd and even,
you know, multiple days on a week. And maybe what we should be looking at is going one day for odd, one day for even doesn't go it doesn't go all the way to what D wants, but it's something that, you know, people can understand and
we're not putting an overburden on. Yeah, that's that's the part that troubles me for everyone to be on one day. They're looking for you can change stagger it up and you know you could have multiple zones or whatever and that zone gets one day that
one Tuesday and you make sure we could do odd one day even another day and they would essentially break it up a little bit. Yeah. Meet their needs. I think that's what we should do. I I think we just need to figure out you know what day of the week we want that
to happen. Is there certain low lower days the weekends are the obviously we'd be better off doing that you know Monday to Friday than said Sunday because said Sunday's going to be would be the heaviest days anyway. Yeah. But you know
if we're doing it I wouldn't do Monday Tuesday I might do Monday Wednesday Tuesday Thursday so that you know to recover. Yeah, maybe Tuesday seriously is a better way of doing it than, you know, Monday, Wednesday or Wednesday,
Friday because it does at least if we pumped heavy over the weekend, which may be the case because not everybody's going to let it recover on Monday and then go Tuesday if you let it recover on Wednesday and then but if you go
Tuesday, Thursday, that'll be the same. Well, it'll be auto the same same number. True. But it'll be half the time. Yeah. On Tuesday, even on Thursday to whatever we decide to do, but that seems
to and it's fairly simple and straightforward rather than Yeah, I agree. Rather than saying anybody not, you can't make it complicated because it's an excuse not to do it. Oops. I didn't know so complicated.
Everybody know that the Jones River does it one day and you know odd even numbers make sense unless there is an objection. I would recommend that we make a motion that we do a
Tuesdays and even on Thursdays. I I'll second that motion. Okay. Move that motion. Will you uh move that move second voted. I'm just trying to think what we have. Well, you're going to have, you know,
Chris is going to have to have I made the motion, but I So, odd houses on Tuesday, even houses on Thursday. Yeah. before 9 and after five, right? Make sure the signs are large so it's
clear. Yeah. May first. Yes. [Music] They all were standard leak potentially fixed and all of them did reach out to me within the time frame. It's just the
timing of our meetings. Um, could I move all three together? Um, issues. I would not just each one individually. So, let's start with Evergreen Street have that. So, Everra Street Cemetery had a
previously undetected leak. They got the bill, they paid it, and then realized, oh, that's a lot higher than normal. So then I move that we charge Evergreen Cemetery the lowest rate. Second lowest rate for
total right until voted. I move that we charge 23 Lake Street um the the lowest amount of money.
[Music] That was also another plumbing issue. Move second. So voted to issue the abatement of 23 leg. Yeah. I move the same for 36 whole street. A
second. Um okay. So this is the only one I wanted to bring to your attention because this may be coming back before us. She's asking for relief on the March bill, but the repair wasn't made until halfway through this quarter. So she's gonna have a high bill in June as well.
Just so you know. Okay. Is Yeah, that's so just make a note for so we can refer back. All right. Second voted to reduce the water bill should take cold street to the
lowest rate. one over item that was added discussion on the DTW uh position for the proposal proposal uh would never taken a vote specifically on
whether we think it we should prove it uh speak against it my own opinion is I think we need table opposed to the creation of the public and I don't
mean I think it's premature to be looking at it right now. It seems like it's being forced being rushed and um I would move that we um vote not to support the proposal to establish a department of public works
at this time. Yeah, I'm I'm very amenable to efficiencies in the future and discussions, but again, I agree it seems like it's being rushed through without the thought necessary to really
do this in in the right way. So, I would also have some some concerns with the the structure that they're proposing. You know, there's a number of things that can be discussed and should be brought up to the media about the way
it's being proposed, the way it's being structured and the lack of u control of the superintendent of both the the water department as well as the two department and and that does
not create a an efficiency in the way the departments operate, you know. And it makes very high risk for they have more control than the employees. So I got a real issue with
that. Did you make a motion? I made the vote was not to support. The one other thing that we have not talked about and uh Christine did an excellent job of giving us the information that we can
forward to uh everybody in town about the moratorum is we did receive written recommendation from town council that the moratorum not be lifted at this time.
And you're going to provide us with the copy of it. Yep. That's privileged information from town council to water. It needs to stay within the
privilege threshold. I have one other thing that actually we're done that I heard today. It's important to put um a land swap deal at the mall is going to be on the article this Saturday. I have heard but I
haven't heard anything formal about that and gas station and I think we need to go on record right up front that any gas station put in close to where with the existing
fight would be upgradient of 186 and Grassy Hole and would definitely be in a a dangerous location and should Not gas station should not be approved with underground gas tanks and we've had good
history. I mean they don't have one well anymore specifically for that reason. The concern that that someone planner said it was not an issue with the well and that's false. But you know, planet decided that to my
knowledge and I'm surprised that she didn't reach out and find out how we felt about it because it is upgrad where those two wells are and it does have a potential major negative impact those two wells. Two of our three biggest wells. Yes. We just speak up during town
meeting. Oh yeah option right now because I'm concerned that some land swap deal for some reason that then we have to back out on because it's not proper land water uh wells they are puts us in jeopardy
for some be right it's a zone too yeah and You got to look at the way that the water is flowing through town. Yeah. Yeah. It's just Yeah.
We'll see you on Saturday. Do I hear a motion to adjourn? Move to second. Second voted to adjourn the meeting at 4:50.